Mission Evolution with Gwilda Wiyaka Interviews - LON MILO DUQUETTE - Magick & Mysticism

Tonight’s guest is Lon Milo DuQuette — internationally respected occult scholar, author, lecturer, musician, magician, and one of the most influential living teachers of Western esotericism. With decades of study in Qabalah, Tarot, ritual magick, mysticism, and consciousness, Lon offers rare insight into the mechanics of the unseen world and our evolutionary path through it.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:09):
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(00:31):
host of Mission Evolution, Miss Gwildawieka.

Speaker 2 (00:39):
This is Mission Evolution. I'm Guildaweka. This hours guest is
Lon Milo Duquay, Internationally respected occult scholar, author, lecturer, musician, magician,
and one of the most influential living teachers of Western essoterism.
With decades of study in the Kobala Toro ritual, magic, misiasism,

(01:00):
and consciousness, Long offers a very rare insight into the
mechanics of the unseen world and our evolutionary path through it. Lon,
thanks for joining us on Mission Evolution.

Speaker 3 (01:13):
Thank you very much for having me.

Speaker 2 (01:16):
It's absolutely, absolutely my pleasure. So long, How long did
your journey into the occult studies and magic begin?

Speaker 3 (01:24):
Pretty much since the beginning. I'm seventy seven years old,
and it's been sort of a at least a journey
of self observation that, but like everybody, like everybody, I

(01:47):
had sort of a I can't claim a you know,
generational mystical background any more than anybody else. But something's
kind kind of weird, hapbit. I was born in nineteen
forty eight, and by the time I was around two,

(02:08):
just as I was, you know, I hadn't been walking
very much very long when they I had developed like
a pain in my in my hip. And they thought
it was polio at first, because that was the big
polio's scare and I had neighbor kids on both sides

(02:30):
of my house with polio and they so they took
me to the doctor and I didn't have polio. I
had what they call Perthy's Perthy's hip and it's named
after the you know, the doctor that discovered him. But

(02:51):
and there's no cure for it. There's the only treatment
was to immobilize the patient and maybe did outgrow it,
but it was like it was a thing where my
hip joint was literally just grinding itself. Okay, So they

(03:13):
put me back in the crib. Okay, And to tell
you the truth, I loved it. I must have been
just born to be sedentary, and I would I would
drift in and out of consciousness, like every twenty minutes

(03:35):
awake and twenty minutes asleep, twenty four hours a day.
So I it wasn't that I would, you know, I
fall asleep and sleep for eight hours. No, just every
other twenty minutes I was asleep. So I had this
rare opportunity to drift between consciousness, awaking consciousness, dream consciousness,

(04:02):
and uh with not very much distraction at all, to
uh keep me from losing what I think we all
have pre linguistic memories, okay, and I had memories of

(04:27):
what I can only uh described as being memories of
being somebody else.

Speaker 2 (04:36):
And so.

Speaker 3 (04:40):
It was it was a few, uh a few different
kinds of somebody else's. But the most uh I felt
like I was an adult, uh that I would later
kind of figure out was uh like late or early

(05:02):
twentieth century. I had this one memory where I was
getting into a car that I would later identify as
like a nineteen twenty seven roadster. Okay, and now this

(05:23):
is before television or any Okay that we didn't have
a television until like nineteen fifty four or something like that.
But I had these vivid memories I was in a
trench with a bunch of other men, and I remember explosions,

(05:44):
and I remember the sound of dirt falling on my
on a helmet. But the vivid one was this getting
in there, to this roadster and driving, and I was
all excited, and I remember that even the feeling. I

(06:04):
remember the feeling even more than what I was observing.
And I was so anxious and so happy. And I
was driving down what I would later identify as a
Pacific Coast Highway old Highway one oh one in California,

(06:24):
going from like Los Angeles to Mexico, and I was
to meet my girlfriend in Mexico. And I had all
of those adult emotional feelings, okay, And I think that

(06:45):
helped me those years in the crib, stirring up at space,
thinking about my own existence and where I was before
I was born and things like that. And I think
all of us are born with that capacity, but we

(07:11):
lose it as soon as the objective world around us
distracts us and puts us and limits limits our dimension.
Does that make any sense?

Speaker 2 (07:25):
It makes total sense to me, Yes, for sure. What
pivotal event or realization convinced you that the occult sciences
are more than mythology.

Speaker 3 (07:35):
Well later I'll grow up. Moved back to California. My
family moved us from California to Nebraska, back to California.
When I graduate from high school, right in nineteen sixty six,
when the psychedelic world was opening up, even in Nebraska,

(07:56):
I said, if I ever had a chance to take
that LS Deep by Gully, I'm going to do it.
And I was a musician, professional musician even at seventeen, okay,
a working musician and a songwriter. And I was playing
at this club in Belmont Shore, California, and I walked

(08:23):
into the restroom at a break and a surfer kind
of kid said, would you like to buy some LSD?
You know? And I said, I sure, would you know?
And I'd heard all of this stuff I read about it,

(08:43):
doctor Timothy Leary and doctor Albert and stuff. I read
all the magazine articles about it, sort of the godpill
and stuff. Well, I wanted that God pill because I knew,
I knew consciousness was a whole bigger thing than I

(09:05):
then everybody else, you know, thinks. And it was an amazing,
an amazing experience, and I had the luxury of taking it.
There was somebody in the next room in case, you know,

(09:27):
I freaked out or something. But I was alone all night,
just with me, and before that, before the evening was over,
I knew that everything was bigger than I ever imagined,

(09:52):
and that everything was me. I know it sounds all.

Speaker 2 (10:01):
I'm right, I'm right there with you. I'm casually the
sixties two though.

Speaker 3 (10:05):
So okay, well you're holding up well.

Speaker 2 (10:09):
Okay, oh, thank you. From from your perspective, How does
magic relate, speaking of which to human consciousness and evolution?

Speaker 3 (10:16):
That's all it is. Okay, that's all it is. Magic.
UH is UH a series of magic and kabbala. Okay,
it's a series of of thought processes meant to accelerate

(10:37):
willed self evolution and UH magical techniques and cabalistic UH
based magical techniques are truly the ultimate reason for it
is not power over others, or it's not to walk

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on water and stuff. Maybe all that stuff comes along
with it, but only because the expansion of all of
the possibilities of human consciousness are activated, are lubricated, are

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are are put into practice. It's it's like peeling away
layers of a glass onion. It's literally, as a Buddhist said,
you know, hey, I didn't. I'm not a god, I'm

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I'm not a mystic. I'm not a magician. I just
woke up. Okay. And magic is to help you, assist
you in a in a dramatic and color way. Okay,
it's it's not a boring magical art form. Okay, it's fun,

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it's colorful, you get to dress up even, you know.
But the whole purpose, the whole purpose, is to systematically
wake up.

Speaker 2 (12:21):
Do you feel humanity is currently undergoing a spiritual or
esoteric awakening?

Speaker 3 (12:26):
Yeah? Much. And I think everything that would would say no,
we're just going to hell in a handbasket, will Yeah.
But I think that's a symptom of an advance, a step,
a leap, if you will, in human consciousness.

Speaker 2 (12:47):
Like the old falling apart before the new takes form.

Speaker 3 (12:50):
There you go. And well the Gnostics would call that
the EAO formula. You know, uh, nature seemingly ruined by
catastrophe only as as sort of the phoenix nest whose flame,

(13:14):
out of whose flames comes the the next baby phoenix.
But Alice through Crowley, who.

Speaker 2 (13:26):
I'm sorry, I'm going to have to interrupt. We'll get
we'll get into Crowley on the other side of a station.
Pray lawn, and I will return very shortly, So don't
you go away. This is Mission Evolution www dot Mission
Evolution dot org. What isa with a c iss our
discussing mysticism and tivination is Lon Milo Duquette, occult scholar, author,

(13:50):
musician and magician. Lan How does the Kubala map structure
of consciousness? Uh?

Speaker 3 (14:00):
Pretty accurately, I would say, you know, Kabbala is not
a not a book, okay, but there's lots of Cabalistic
uh textbooks Okay, ancient ones for those starting from square one. Uh.

(14:21):
We could say it's the the mystical and esoteric tradition
of Judaism. Okay ah, but the oldest Cabbalistic text. It's
actually written in Hebrew.

Speaker 2 (14:42):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (14:42):
It's sort of the founding document. It's called the Sefer
yet Zira, or the the Book of Formation. As if
this is creation okay. It's not a narrative Bible story like,

(15:04):
but deals with almost creation on a quantum physics or
astrophysics point of view. And it uses the Hebrew alphabet
as almost like flash cards trying to explain this. And

(15:29):
there's twenty two letters in the Hebrew alphabet, and they
say the twenty two letters those are the.

Speaker 4 (15:36):
Words that God used to create existence, and those words
are made up of letters, and they're the twenty two letters.

Speaker 3 (15:46):
That's sort of the allegory of the whole thing. But
that sefroyette zirare just simply and it's just like a pamphlet. Okay,
it's not even a book. You know. It said, yeah,
or Deity created everything in thirty two mysterious paths of wisdom,

(16:15):
and that includes ten numbers out of nothing, so zero
to ten, Okay, everything was created with those ten those
ten numbers and then those twenty two letters, and then

(16:40):
it goes to work to show how everything can be.
Everything in a manifested universe can be explained with those
ten numbers and those twenty two letters. And those twenty
two letters are shown in modern times with the flash

(17:02):
cards of the tarot, because there's twenty two letters, twenty
two tarot trumps or a greater arcana, and each of
those tarot cards are assigned one of those Hebrew letters. Okay,
and the thirty two paths of or the ten out

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of nothing are the are the the ten cards in
the lesser arcanas each suit is it is ten. Well,
here I'll show you in my own tarot deck. Here
if I can find talk amongst yourselves. Okay, there are

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those ten bubbles. Okay, I'll get it out of my name.
There ten bubbles, those circles, those are the tens that
come out of nothing, and they spend a lot of
time talking about that nothing too, okay, which takes us
right into the quantum level. Okay. Now it sounds all

(18:14):
spooky and hard, but it really isn't. It really isn't.
There's those ten emanations, and that top one would be
like Godhead, the singularity of existence. If we back our
camera up as far back as we can go and
put everything into one shot. Okay, that's the singularity of Godhead.

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And these are lower emanations of consciousness okay, all the
way down to your head. Okay, from Godhead to your
head and everything in between. And the process that we
just got through talking about the process of waking up

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is here. We are asleep within a dream within a dream,
within a dream within a dream within a dream within
a dream, okay, and our whole thing is waking up,
step by step to those different levels of consciousness until

(19:22):
the Supreme awakening. These last three are sort of the
stage's last stages that Buddha went through, okay, just before
his great awakening. And the paths that connect those are
like circuitries twenty two different conduits of intelligent energy going

(19:49):
back and forth like a model train transformer. When you
turn it up, it transforms the the frequency of electricity
back and forth. So to go from like ten to nine, Okay,

(20:13):
there's the Hebrew letter and there's the Tarot card that
does that, and it steps down the consciousness frequency to
go there, but going up it turns it up and
so it's an alternating current. Okay, it's really good stuff.

Speaker 2 (20:35):
So where did Duro come from? I mean it looks
like it's so sophisticated.

Speaker 3 (20:41):
Well, the numbers in the letters are sophisticated, but tarot
is like the Okay, how would we how would we
put this in pictures? Okay? Now, I don't believe that
tarot cards that we have today. And this is my

(21:07):
tarot deck. By the way, how have you lived so
long without having this tarot deck? The tarot wasn't invented,
at least my understanding, it wasn't invented as a cabalistic tool.

(21:32):
It was the potential of a cabalistic tool because human
consciousness got a hold of it in the same way
that our generation's consciousness, if we can say a generation

(21:53):
has a consciousness, our consciousness was brought together and changed
and mutated by the invention of radio and television. Okay,
And in the fifteenth century or the sixteenth century, the

(22:15):
human consciousness of the of the western world anyway, was
altered by the universal fascination with plane cards.

Speaker 2 (22:32):
Was it was it a game to start out with.

Speaker 3 (22:34):
It was two kinds of games to start with. The
greater arcana was it was a game just called it
was wildly popular called memlock. And that was like bridge.
And that's like the greater caana cards bridge. Tarophi or

(22:56):
I know I'm pronouncing it right or incorrectly, Tarouchi or
Tarouki was a parade like the Tournament of Roses parade,
but it was a parade, a triumphal parade that had

(23:17):
hierarchical structure to it, like the head guy was the
first guy in the parade, and the second guy in
the parade took second place, so the first guy triumphed
him or trumped him so it was a hierarchical thing,

(23:38):
and some cards were had greater value than others, and
you'd play it like bridge, I'm sorry this card here,
Trump's your card, so it gives me more score. So
it was like that, okay, And it was wildly popular
with the aristocracy of Northern Europe because they could afford

(24:00):
to have real life artists painted. Because in their parade
they had the gods of the of the Greek and
Roman gods, okay, they had they had moral qualities like
and virtues okay, like faith, hope, and charity. They all

(24:23):
had their okay, And they had characters from the the
culture around them. They had the Pope, and they had
the Emperor, and they had the Empress, and they had
religious figures like the high priestess okay who used to

(24:45):
be pope esque even and magicians and stuff, and they
had the devil. And then they had the things like
fortitude and h and balance and stuff. And they had
as many as I think they had as many as

(25:08):
maybe sixty different things over the years.

Speaker 2 (25:12):
Okay, How did it transform? How can touro serve as
a gateway to self awareness and transformation at this point.

Speaker 3 (25:19):
Because it's already doing it. Okay, it's an ordered deck
of tarot cards, would be like the kabalistically speaking, would
be like the universe as it really is perfectly operating. Okay,

(25:41):
we don't think that the universe is operating perfectly because
our lives are so screwed up. But no, the universe
is doing exactly what it should be doing everything on queue.
The reason we don't see it is because we have
of insufficient powers of perception to view it that way.

(26:06):
We're not awake enough.

Speaker 2 (26:09):
How do you distinguish between genuine occult practices and superstition
or fantasy.

Speaker 3 (26:16):
You have to have a certain level of maturity and
to fully grasp what magic is about. And Aleister Crowley said, look,

(26:36):
if you want to get into magic for unscrupulous reasons,
but you're really serious about getting into magic, go ahead,
because by the time you learn what magic is and
what it's about, you'll realize that you're unscrupulous. Initial desires

(27:02):
was total bs. Okay, you know, So to be a magician,
to work magic, you have to be the equivalent and
have to develop yourself into the equivalent of what the
yogis would say self mastery.

Speaker 2 (27:24):
Well it's time again, Lawn and I will be right
back to continue our discussion. So stay right there. This
is Mission Evolution www. Dot Mission evolution dot org. Magic
illusion or delusion. This is Mission Evolution, Mission Evolution dot org.
We're discussing the occult with Lawn Milo Decuay. His website

(27:48):
is Lawnmilo Duquette dot net. Ln. Can you explain the
relationship between subconscious mind and occult work?

Speaker 3 (27:57):
Well, the in a sense, ceremonial magic is only the
outward activity or an act, outward act that is triggering

(28:20):
inward faculties. Okay, my whole my whole thing was shortly
after my bombshells of early psychedelic experience. I wanted to
be a first class Eastern mystic okay, okay, And we

(28:45):
were into yoga and things like that, and I kept
wanting because this is what I observed. I wasn't into magic.
I was into like like yoga and Zen and esoteric Buddhism,

(29:07):
and but I eventually discovered that I kept thinking how
cool I was going to look gaining enlightenment, Okay, and gee,
I'm going to look cool losing my ego, you know,

(29:31):
And that almost was impossible for me to overcome. I
couldn't break in, but I wanted. I wanted to be
what was in, but my technique needed to utilize the

(29:55):
mechanics of outside to do it. I needed to work
with my inner, inner faculty and in. I don't want
to sound chauvinistic, but in the East, it just seems
that the practitioner is more naturally inclined to close their

(30:18):
eyes and go within and peel away all the things
that they're not okay, to get to that serene, smooth point.
But in the West, Okay, we're not inclined to do
to do that. And I don't know, it's not genetic

(30:40):
or anything. It's just the kind of the Western way.
We like scripture, we like ritual, We like things outside
of ourselves. Even though we know that what we're doing
when we pick up the wand and wag it around
that it's it's not really that we're working with, it's

(31:01):
it's it's the will that of our of our focused intent.

Speaker 2 (31:10):
And so do the tools help simply help focus the
intent and the will of the individual. Yeah, and then
and we've put the power into the hands of the
tools inadvertently.

Speaker 3 (31:23):
Well, we're we're using the tools until we understand that
they're inner things, okay, And it's it's like a like
a training training ground for internal things. And and once

(31:43):
you've made the connection that that wand is an interior
power and an interior tool, then that wand has power.

Speaker 2 (31:57):
You can wave it around all you want to without
engaging the interior and you're not going to have any effect.

Speaker 3 (32:02):
It's just a stick. Yeah. Yeah. And so the magic
isn't for everybody. It's sort of a lonely uh art form.
Uh insomuch that that it's a it's a dramatic spiritual

(32:25):
practice that just has one audience and one actor and
one stage and uh and one terribly terribly ruthless critic.
And uh so it truly isn't for for everybody.

Speaker 2 (32:52):
How how does one safely begin a magical or esoteric
practice without falling into delusion? Uh?

Speaker 3 (32:59):
Well, usually you fall into magic because of delusion, okay,
until because some people are just attracted to it because
they have a sense that this is going to be
my way, okay. And and that's that's good, because they

(33:28):
have a sense that it is going to be my way,
and that they fall in love with the with the
outer forms of it because they know they sense that
that somewhere in there it's the thing for them. I

(33:52):
tell people, hey, just do what you're attracted to it first.
There may be five or six things that that you say,
what I'd like to get into that and do it
for a while. Okay, nothing is wasted on your journey. Okay,

(34:15):
you could view entire incarnations as well. I'm do you
know what I'm attracted to? You know? But the the
whole thing with magic is that I believe human consciousness
as a AH in general, has undergone uh and an

(34:43):
expansion so that that we can see what was once
a very very small and focused magical art form or
spiritual art form of the medieval magician, that only a
few people AH were attracted to, and out of them

(35:06):
only a few understood what they were, what they were doing.
What is a demon? You know?

Speaker 2 (35:13):
What was my next question. You've written extensively on angels
and demons and entities. How do you explain their nature?

Speaker 3 (35:20):
Well, we've all been we're all hardwired, you know, with
a with a six pack of demons and angels. Okay,
we're all hardwired with it because they're frequencies of consciousness,
and some of those frequencies of consciousness when they are

(35:41):
not properly directed or are controlled or or understood, just
sort of run run amok through our psyche, through our
through our lives, like like burning draino, you know, through
you know. But it's not it's not that they don't
belong there, because if they're there, they belong they're they're

(36:05):
there to do something. And and where that level of
consciousness goes, they need you. Okay, they need you to
direct their their untapped energies in the same way that

(36:25):
the myth of Solomon King Solomon, Okay, he used demons
to build the Great Temple. Okay, that was his that
was his labor union. Okay.

Speaker 2 (36:39):
But are the independent intelligence archetypes aspects of our own consciousness?

Speaker 3 (36:46):
Everything is in your head, everything including everything you think
is outside of your head. So I wrote a couple
of books as as Asbi Lamad ben Clifford. Okay, I
had to invent my own rabbi, so I so I
could quote myself, and Rabbi Ben Clifford says, it's all

(37:13):
in your head, but you just have no idea how
big your head is. Okay, and he really means that
because ultimately, oh the cabitalists say, we got there's four
parts of our soul, if you will as the animal part.
Then there's the intellect ruoc part, and there's this thing

(37:36):
called the neshima, which is a roughly translated soul intuition.
But that's not the neshma is not limited by time
and space. When a mother wakes up in the middle
of the night and she knows her child is in
trouble or has been in an accident or something, that's
because the child can never leave the mother's nashamah. Okay,

(37:59):
but it seems like it's outside, doesn't it. The child
may be on the moon, or on Alpha Centauri or
a million light years away, and the mother would still
get that message in the middle of the night. That's
how big the mother's neshima is. It's kind of depressing
actually when you think about mothers. But that means there

(38:24):
is no outside of your head, and there is ultimately
you are that number one consciousness. Okay, it's not outside
of yourself. It's not someplace you're going to. It's some
place you already are and you just haven't woken up
to it.

Speaker 2 (38:45):
Is it just a matter of not having focused on,
not having found it internally.

Speaker 3 (38:49):
Yet yeah, so in the same way as those cabalistic
those abstract cabalistic concepts are easily visualized in the individual
tarot cards. Okay, in that same way the magical forces, angels, spirits, demons, intelligences. Oh,

(39:21):
the cabalists have them all categorized. I mean, these guys didn't.
They had a lot of time on their hands, okay,
and they've got them categorized in anal retentive neatness. And
their names all add up to the right numbers, because
you know, like prime numbers fit inside greater numbers and

(39:48):
things like that. There ultimately isn't an outside of yourself.
And so for the purpose of try to get in
control of everything that's inside yourself, deal with them as
angel spirits. Okay, you use the word independent, I mean,

(40:16):
are they are the demons in some section of hell
playing poker, just waiting for you to call them up,
you know on there. Oh there's a phone. I got
to go to lawn. Ah. No, okay, I don't believe
in it like that at all. But for the sake

(40:38):
of focusing on one particular magical force, that is that
spirit's job in the in the cosmos, and currently that
spirit's not doing their job, you know, as as as

(40:59):
you would need it to do. Yeah, you for the
purpose of the ceremony, you play along with the fact
that these are objective beings.

Speaker 2 (41:12):
We're gonna have to We're gonna have to dive into
the objective beings on the other side of another station break.
Please stay with us is law and I continue to
explore our cult tools. This is Mission Evolution, Mission evolution
dot org. Can he a cult help us today? This
is Mission Evolution, Mission evolution dot org. We're continuing our

(41:32):
discussion with Loan Milo du quette is website lanmilodiequette dot net. Lawn.
How can a cult tools help people navigate the challenges
of the modern world.

Speaker 3 (41:47):
Well, just like putting a tarot deck in order, uh
gives you in a certain sense of reboot. It takes
your chaotic world eteter reboot you reboot. I didn't do
much today, but I put one thing in order. It

(42:07):
starts with putting something in order, putting yourself in order.
I use the term a psychic reboot. And you know,
to tell you the truth, it is like a like
a lube a lube job, because if we were actually

(42:34):
chugging away our psychic machinery in a well oiled manner.
We would be clear and clear and clear reflections of
the divine consciousness, of the universal consciousness, because that's exactly

(42:55):
what we are, and each at each s depth of
that waking up process. The capital suits say, as I
moved from ten to nine, to the wakeness of eight,
to the awakeness of seven, okay, all the way up
to Godhead, I realize how increasingly universal I really am. Okay,

(43:27):
we could put it in kind of psychological terms and
say magical practices such as such as this served to
increasingly intensify our own self realization. And if when I

(43:56):
came away from that first acid experience, I knew that
self realization was the only thing in life truly worth
going for. And if you can get to that realization,

(44:24):
anything that you do, I'm sorry, I don't say that
any religion is wrong or anything you can anything that
you can do to facilitate your own self realization is

(44:45):
probably the best thing you can do with your incarnation.
And so for me, I love the in the same
way I have taste in music, in the same way
I have taste in movies and drama, and I have

(45:09):
taste in how I want to go about my self realization.
And when I stumbled on magic and to satisfy my
meat brain part, I stumbled on Cabbala, and where I
saw how magic and cabala were actually the same thing,

(45:36):
I knew that that nothing else was going to satisfy.
And when I ran across the works of Alistair Crowley,
at first I was totally freaked out because this guy
had just such a horrible reputation. And I called himself
the Beast six sixty six, and he just pushed all

(45:59):
the all of the fear buttons, you know. Uh, and uh,
something something about him was like, gosh, but he once
he knows everything that I want to find out, you know.
And then as the as the months and years passed

(46:20):
and I meet people that actually lived and worked with
him and everything else, they made me feel silly that
I was that afraid. Okay, wow, my friend, uh from
the old hippie days, Mad Bob, we called him, and
he was he's a saint. He's we all know saints, Okay,

(46:43):
he's one of them. And uh, he came back from
Guatemala and I told him what I was into Tarot
and this this uh Aleister Crawley character. And I said, oh,
I found out he was a devil worshiper of some kind.
And Bob looked at me like I was the stupidest

(47:04):
person in the world, because he told me so, That's
why I knew he was thinking that. And he said, look,
this guy knows everything that you want to find out,
experienced everything you want to experienced, and he was not
afraid to tell people about it. I said, yeah, but

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was he a devil worshiper? Was he a Satanist?

Speaker 5 (47:29):
He goes no, and then he goes, well, yes, and
he said no, no, Well, if he was a Satanist,
he was a really good kind of Satanist.

Speaker 3 (47:44):
You're just going to love this guy. And he was right. Okay.
I read the Book of Thoth and ninety nine percent
of it just went way over my head. But the
one percent I could grasp was, Okay, this guy's brilliant
because he's talking about this consciousness shift in humanity that

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we were talking about at the very beginning of our
chat here today, and that is humanity as a whole
goes through leaps dimensional leaps in consciousness and it all
has to do with something very fundamental that the entire

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world experiences at the same time that completely changes their
focus of reality, and that is our relationship with the sun. Okay,
for a great period in human history, we thought, well,

(48:55):
for a great period, we didn't even pay that much
attention to the sun, just trying to fill our bellies, okay,
and survive from moment to moment. And that was we'd
call that an aon. There was there was an aon

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where we were just woman was magic because we didn't
know where babies came from, and they just popped out
of a woman, and we didn't know where the food
came from, and everything else just pops out of the ground. Okay.
That was That was something we all shared in the
magical formula. All dealt with with goddess worship and uh

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woman worship, and that was all connected to the moon.
You know, the cycles of the moon that the women
are in tune with, and they swell like the moon
and then empty and all of a sudden there's a
new little og you know. But then we started to
put two and two together that the animals don't come,

(50:05):
the crops don't grow, or the food doesn't grow when
the sun is weak, and then we realize we need
the sun. It's a partnership between the Sun and the Earth.
And then then we get all freaked out that the
sun dies. Oh god, it goes down, and I oh shoot,

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you know, everything's going to be lost, you know, and
it goes further south. Well, if you're in the northern hemisphere,
it goes further south in the wintertime, and we don't
know whether it's ever going to come back or not,
you know. So it's a new, improved way of looking
at things. And there came a time when all of us,

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most of us put two and two together that we
needed the sun. That was another shift in human conscientiousness,
and it was another point of view of the of
the universe and reality that we didn't have before. So
it was an improvement, but it was still a mistaken

(51:13):
improve improvement. And then it became all of the son
and all this patriarchal stuff and kings and life came
out of depth. So there was everything we were sacrificing
each other just to make the sun come up, you know,
And as long as we kept doing, sure enough, the

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sun came up.

Speaker 1 (51:36):
Go figure, right, go figure.

Speaker 2 (51:40):
You emphasize enlightenment doesn't require abandoning everyday life. Why is
that important?

Speaker 3 (51:46):
Oh God, you got to keep every day life, uh,
to keep gaining enlightenment. Now it's it's uh. You integrate
all of all of this in the same way as
your consciousness is integrated with everything you do in everyday life.

(52:08):
I mean, I'm a struggling householder, Constance, and I've been
married for fifty eight years. Congratulations, well, thank you, thank you.
Congratulate her for putting up with all of this. As
a matter of fact, it was. It's a necessary partnership

(52:33):
of we're on this journey together and we're so lucky.
At least I'm so lucky anyway, No, I integrate. I
can't be who I'm not, and what I am is

(52:59):
kind of a while than crazy magician. And once you're
a magician, everything you do is magic. And when you
screw up in life, you've magically screwed up.

Speaker 2 (53:18):
That puts my heart at ease. I have to tell you.

Speaker 3 (53:22):
So, you don't do magic to make your life. Now,
you do magic to make your life magic, okay, And
it is a perpetual background meditation at all times. And

(53:48):
you know I'm not consciously thinking Oh, that's that Hebrew letter,
this or all of that's that suffering? No, when you're
the per of magic is to make yourself a mgation.

Speaker 2 (54:04):
Well, Loan, it's about that time. So before we close,
I have to ask you, what's your mission?

Speaker 3 (54:11):
My mission is to completely exhaust my potentiality.

Speaker 2 (54:21):
That is a worthy mission.

Speaker 3 (54:24):
It'd probably take a while, just min, just min.

Speaker 2 (54:29):
What final message would you like to leave our listeners
for seeking empowerment, evolution.

Speaker 3 (54:33):
And deeper meaning trust yourself.

Speaker 2 (54:38):
There we have it, Lon, Unfortunately we are out of time.
Thank you so much for coming on the show and
sharing your wisdom.

Speaker 3 (54:45):
Thank you very much.

Speaker 2 (54:46):
It's been a pleasure. Our gratitude to Lan Milo Duquette
for sharing his wisdom with us today. To explore Lan's books,
teachings and music, visit Lawnmilo Duquette dot net. This has
been Mission Evil with Gwildwyeka. For more and from Mation,
or to enjoy past archived episodes, visit www dot Mission

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