October 30, 2025 • 35 mins
Eight iconic horror movie villains enter, but only one leaves. Who makes it out alive?
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
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ever to connect with audiences, one podcast aims to make
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Saturday Night, where's sending that to the future? Go ahead,
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Speaker 2 (00:26):
What we've got here is failure Milgate.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
Take them around. We're as crosshall of how for we
might be as well with them.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
I am an fv I agent.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
So Halloween, Halloween coming at us. It's the spooky time
of year.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
It's here, it's close, you can feel it. It's getting
eerie out there.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
I envision the listener right now, October thirty first, just
sitting there, hanging out, listening to our soothing and yet
often sultry voices, dulcet tones. Yeah, and you're thinking to yourself,
what do they mean? It's almost hear it is here, Halloween.
That's good.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
I envision the listener. They're like sitting in their easy chair.
They got like their big, you know, headphones on, beats
by dre. Perhaps they're just kind of sitting back. They're like,
oh right, a new episode's kicking in. Put the headphones on,
you know, lean back, they don't see behind them a
(01:34):
masked killer creeping up slowly, so quietly as they're just
laughing along, enjoying the show.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
You like, turn around right there, right there, he's behind you.
So if that's you, just crane your neck, take a
glance back, Yeah, just in case, or just sit there
and make sure you have a mirror that you can
see behind you at all times. Yeah, I sit in
with don't let anybody creep up on you like that,
given that it's Halloween. So to start us off tonight.
(02:08):
In the original Child's play from nineteen eighty eight, remember
all the way back then, what real world toy line
inspired the design and marketing of the good guy doll
that Chucky inhabits.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
It's a good question, and a you know, very marketing
related question.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
Yeah, I like it.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
I know it.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
You don't want the multiple choice.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
And last time I know I did this, you were
confident and I dove right in and now you're like
dead wrong.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
I was like, noop, I think you'll get it this
time without the multiple choice.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
Well, I thought I knew it. Now I'm like backing
up a little bit because now I'm like, there's two
things on my mind. Here. Okay, so now I'm like,
maybe I don't know it, so maybe I should take
the multiple choice. But I'll tell you up front the
two things that I'm thinking about. Okay, the first thing
that came to my mind was My Buddy, which was
like a doll that was like your friend. But then
(03:04):
the second thing that came to my mind was Teddy
rock Spin, which was like a talking teddy bear.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
Oh yeah, so are those both in the multiple choice?
Both of those are in the multiple choice? Okay, well,
then I'll give you the multiple choice and then you
could decide, Yeah, is it a my Buddy b This
one's good. Cabbage Patch kids, those were scary. See Teddy
(03:31):
Rockspin who talked and also turned on by himself.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
Sounds weird when you say turned on by himself.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
It was a spooky ass bear. Yeah, Ordze Kid's sister,
which was really kind of the My Buddy counterpart.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
Yeah female my Buddy right, mm hmm, jeez. Yeah, I'm
still in the same jam here. I'm trying to think timeline,
like when did my Buddy come out? I feel like
my younger brother had a My Buddy sometime in the
early nineties, so was that later maybe Teddy Rouxspin was first.
I'm going with rock Spin here, even though my first
(04:08):
instinct was my buddy, I'm gonna go with Rocksbin, I'm
gonna go against myself.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
I'm probably screwed. Go ahead, what is it? You're right it? Yeah,
it was my buddy. You had it right, see you
second guess yourself? I did I did?
Speaker 2 (04:20):
You know that's a perfect picture of how my mind works.
I'm like, I got it.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
And then I'm like, wait, well, it's understandable after the
last time you came hard with confidence. Yeah, you're like,
no multiple choice on know this pop tarts? And then
I was like, no, it's egg offfles.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
And Teddy Rouxman and my buddy were so close and
both along the same lines, you know, because Chucky does talk.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
He does Chucky right. Obviously heavily based on Hasbro's My
Buddy dolls from the eighties, but as you kind of
dig through, the doll was also inspired by a real,
supposedly haunted doll named Robert the Doll. This doll was
gifted to a boy named Robert Eugene Otto in nineteen
(05:04):
o six, So this is very old and it's rumored
to have been cursed. So a little bit of it
is based on that doll. If you see the picture
of that doll, creepy af I mean, looks a lot
like Chucky. But the overalls and everything else were based
around my buddy.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
Yeah, I do think all dolls are probably creepy and haunted.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
Yeah. I know a lady who like collects those porcelain dolls,
and we used to go to her house, and it
was she would have them sitting around the house and
I was like, no, I gotta go, I can't stay here.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
One of our neighbors was like having a garage there
one time and gave some to my daughter and then
she like put them in a room and then was
like within one day, like take these out of my
So they like are in our attic somewhere.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
Now, that's the scariest part that they're lurking there somewhere
and you don't know that they're still there. I mean,
that's true. They could have escaped or they could be
doing whatever. That's probably why some people keep them out
so they could see them, know exactly where they're at.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
Yeah, that's a good lead in though, you know, talking
about Chucky, one of our big horror villains. I mean,
right now, he's on Fante commercials. Yeah, you know, so
he's just continuing to be in the culture. So we
have a lot of these iconic horror movie villains, so
many in fact, that we said, maybe it's time for
them to have a showdown, Maybe it's time to find
(06:33):
out who's really.
Speaker 1 (06:35):
The top dog.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
That's why we decided to chuck them into what we
like to call a thunderdome. And that's what's going to
happen here today.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
Now. For those of you who may not.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
Have listened to every episode of the show, or if
you're not familiar with the nineteen eighty five film Mad
Max Beyond Thunderdome, you may be wondering, what the hell
is a thund underdome? Well, pretty simple. Inside the Thunderdome,
you have a fight to the death. So, as they
say in the movie, two men enter, one man leaves. Basically,
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when you go in, only one person's walking out, a
battle royale. In our case, today, we have eight beings, entities,
villains going in and only one of them can emerge
as the champion of frights. Oh I like that, A
champion of frights. I said it so we're going to
(07:37):
find out who that is. In today's Halloween Thunderdome. We've
got in this eight horror movie icons. As I mentioned,
they're going to face off at individual battles until where
we wean that down to one. Let's introduce our contestants
for the listeners, Patrick, do you want to start us off? Here?
Speaker 1 (07:58):
Go run us through the line. Yeah. So we've got eight.
As Shad said, Number one is Michael Myers from the
movie series Halloween. You might know it iconically by the music.
Also Jason Vorhees from the movie series Friday the Thirteen.
It's number two. Number three Freddy Krueger from the movie
(08:22):
series One Nightmare on Elm Street. And then we have
Penny Wise. Number four from the movie series It Stephen King.
Five is Chucky, none other than the one that sort
of led us into the episode from the movie series
Child's Play. Number six is the Zeno morph from the
movie series Alien. Number seven is leather Face from the
(08:45):
movie series The Texas Chainsaw Massacre. And then number eight
Hazuzu say it again with me, Hzuzu Suzu so much
fun to say, from the movie series The Exorcist. That's right,
it's the demon who possesses the child. So that's the eight.
It does seem like it's male centric.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
It does, which you know, as we know, makes sense
if you look at the serial killer lineup in history.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
This is good because I think we've got some good
pair offs. You know, we've got a few rounds.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
Yeah, so in the first round, you know, we've got
some one on ones, and then from there, the winners
of those rounds will then face each other in round two. Finally,
in round three, we're gonna just be left with two finalists.
Whoever takes the other person out there, we're gonna get
our champion.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
So how do you win around?
Speaker 2 (09:41):
You know what I mean? What's the criteria here? Pretty loose.
I'm gonna say that we're figuring this out as we go.
I think we're just gonna talk through these but it's
gonna involve several factors, probably the strength of the character
of the villain, like what they can actually do, but
also of the franchise and their place in pop culture.
(10:03):
I think that's going to play a part too, Maybe
some wild card things we're not even thinking about yet.
Speaker 1 (10:07):
Yeah, there's a lot of aspects to each character, more
than you would imagine just you know, surface level, like
you know that they kind of come up. They're scary,
they kill people, but there's a lot to them. There's
a lot of depth there, I think, more than you
would imagine. And we'll talk a little bit about that
in the episode. I think I think so too.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
So let's get to our first matchup here, which is
a humdinger, and that is Michael Myers versus Pazzuzu. I
don't know if you could ask for a better first
matchup than this one. This is this is strong, this
is tough.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
Yeah, I mean you have a guy who's great at
stabbing people, an unstoppable killer, some would say yeah. And
then you have the Pazzuzu. You know, he's capable of
possessions what people call a corporeal threat.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
It sounds good, so obviously, you know, Michael Myers, sometimes
referred to as the Shape or the Boogeyman, has the
signature movie franchise of Halloween. Halloween once the highest grossing
independent movie of all time at one point. What is
(11:22):
most impressive to me, though, I think, is the estimated number.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
Of kills for this guy.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
Oh yeah, some place him at one hundred and thirty
to one hundred and sixty kills in total across his films.
I don't know if that's accurate, but that's a lot
of kills.
Speaker 1 (11:39):
Yeah, it's a ton of kills. And then you have
Pazuzu from The Exorcist.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
Great Legacy, considered one of the scariest movies of all
time h Oscar nominated movie. This was like a you know,
phenomenon when it came out, and still, I mean it
still holds up. This pretty pretty terrifying movie.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
There's nothing scarier than demonic possession and also just demons
in general, right, because it's it's more of the unseen, unknowable. Yeah,
some people aren't scared by some guy coming around with
a knife and because you know, just run. How do
you run from a demon.
Speaker 2 (12:18):
Something that's inside of you? Yeah, And that's really Pazuzu's power.
You know, if these two are fighting, technically, can't Pazuzu
just get inside of Michael Myers possess him.
Speaker 1 (12:31):
See that's interesting to me. Possesses him, makes him stab himself.
I mean that's terrifying. I could be wrong, but he
might be scared.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
Yeah, So this is the tough one Halloween and Michael
Myers just has such a huge imprint. I mean people
still wear this costume all the time. The mask based
on William Shatner mask, by the way, very just well known.
But I feel like the Exorcist lives on and Pazuzu
the possession wildcard.
Speaker 1 (13:01):
I might go Pazuzu here. There's something about the the
horror of the cosmic possession if you will over you know,
just a street slasher.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
That's you know, talking a little smack on Myers, who
is unstoppable. He's not your everyday killer.
Speaker 1 (13:22):
True, but he also had a cast that made him popular.
Jamie Lee Curtis, Yeah, that's true. Pezusu didn't need a
cast like that to be scary. We've given it to Pazuzu.
I think we are I think is taking it a
huge upset the spiritual versus the physical.
Speaker 2 (13:42):
Yeah, Pazuzu advancing to round two?
Speaker 1 (13:45):
All right?
Speaker 2 (13:46):
Who we got in our second matchup?
Speaker 1 (13:47):
Patrick? All right? So in our second matchup we got
Jason Vorhees versus leather Face.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
He's scary because he doesn't have theme music.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
Yeah, he's just got chainsaw.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
He's got a chainsaw and he's real gritty.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
Yeah, down and dirty.
Speaker 2 (14:05):
That is the source of the fear and the Texas
chainsaw Maskers. You watch it and you're watching something a
little bit where you're like, oh, this feels it's so grimy.
It's made on such like a low budget level. You're like,
oh my gosh, this kind of feels like a little
too real. Yeah, so unpolished just makes me uncomfortable. And
that's why I think Text Chainsaw Masker to me is
(14:28):
one of the scarier horror.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
Movies leather Face. He's pretty brutal. I would say that
also goes for Jason Boy's. When I was a kid,
we were watching this in our house, right, must be
an HBO at the time. And he comes upon a
campsite and they're all screaming, freaking out, and the one
girl gets inside of her sleeping bag and he swings
(14:50):
the sleeping bag around in the air and hits there
against a tree. It was both terrifying but also kind
of funny, you know, in a very twisted a way.
It was funny. I apologize to those who think, how
could you think that's funny? That it is not funny? Patrick, Well,
I don't know. It was kind of funny at the time.
So you might have the advantage there.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
You got something there. Jason is almost the ultimate popcorn killer. Yeah,
I mean the hockey mask. Everybody knows. I mean the
sequels got so ridiculous after a while. He went space.
Speaker 1 (15:24):
Yeah, you know, he took Manhattan. He's kind of indestructible.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
You know.
Speaker 1 (15:28):
I ding him a little bit for that, but that's
also kind of his appeal. Here's where Jason has the
advantage for me is that leather face. While he's rage
full and he's unpredictable, Jason his iconic status. The hockey
mask is almost synonymous with Halloween, where it's like, you know,
you don't get a lot of leather face costumes, you
(15:49):
don't get a lot of leather faces on how No,
cause it's kind of disturbing and sick.
Speaker 2 (15:54):
It's actually scarier and it's more terrifying. But it's not again,
it's not as like fun.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
The hockey mask is a symbol of terror. So I
would probably give this to Jason Vorhes. I'm with you
on this.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
Even though I think Texas chainsawm Masking the better movie
the original, I think Jason has just more pop culture power,
maybe the most of any of these guys.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
Yeah, theater merch too. I was just at the movie
theater and they have Chucky Jason Michael Myers on these
different cups.
Speaker 2 (16:26):
I saw Michael Myers popcorn buckets.
Speaker 1 (16:29):
Yeah, good stuff, his good stuff.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
So Jason advancing in this one, so he's going to
round two our next one. We got another icon, Freddy
Krueger versus the xeno Morph.
Speaker 1 (16:46):
If you don't know who the xeno morph is.
Speaker 2 (16:49):
Yeah, the xenomorph is the alien from the movie Alien Aliens.
Speaker 1 (16:55):
Yeah, and you know, five or six sequels after that,
and the recent team issue, yeah, Alien Earth, which is
actually pretty good. I gotta say. Yeah. So here we
got Freddy Krueger. If you remember from Nightmare on Elm Street,
he kills people in their dreams. Mostly he fights them
in their dreams. Hmm. Xenomorphs probably don't dream, so I
(17:17):
don't really know how that would work out.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
I was telling my wife about this, you know, this thunderdome,
what we were doing here, and her big question was,
or are they fighting? She's like, do any of these
people sleep? You know, because that's Freddy Krueger's power. I'm like, well,
are they all kind of gonna sleep? State?
Speaker 1 (17:33):
Yeah, the alien might be the exception to that. You know,
I feel like the other Killers they're kind of dead
or they're like spirits or something like that. Yeah, I don't.
I think that the xenomorph might have I mean, I
don't know, and the.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
Xenomorph does sleep though there's a resting state I suppose.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
But would Freddy have the upper hand? Would he even
know how to enter the dream of a xenomorph?
Speaker 2 (17:54):
You know, I mean can't speak to whether they dream
or not, but I think there's been times where they've
been found you know, resting.
Speaker 1 (18:01):
Yeah, but Freddy's powers, right, they rely on fear and imagination.
Speaker 2 (18:07):
M hm.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
Xenomorphs, I don't know, man, do they have that?
Speaker 2 (18:12):
I will say the Nightmare at Elm Street series was
my favorite of the Killer ones because they were the
most creative in the fact that he could go into
the dreams and like alter everything. Weird things would happen there.
The Kills were super creative. Make my arms super long
and then I'm gonna grab you and you know, rip
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you to pieces. Things like that kind of like anything
could happen in that world.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
I really liked that.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
I don't know if that helps him in this way,
but of that time. You know, in the eighties nineties,
he was probably the most popular. You know, we're talking
about Halloween again. His costume still lives on. Don't see
a lot of xenomorphs out there. That true, He's like
adjacent in that way. But the power of the xenomorph,
I mean, this is why nobody's really defeated them in
the movies.
Speaker 1 (19:00):
Yeah, pure instinct, acid, blood popping out of you. You know,
they're different forms, yeah, you know, and it habits you
inside of you. What if an alien got inside of Freddy, Yeah, yeah,
pops out and becomes part Freddy right at that point,
then it has mind powers for people's dreams. Oh, unstoppable.
(19:20):
And if you look back Nightmare on Elm Streep versus Alien,
I don't know what their box office did, but I
feel like Alien might be the winner in that case.
I think so.
Speaker 2 (19:30):
I think Nightmare Elm Streep was popular, but Alien the
first one, the second one, these were like phenomenon. These
were like one hundred million plus grosers. Yeah, so all
in all, the franchise probably made more money.
Speaker 1 (19:42):
And if you could count a downside of that, it
would be that, like Halloween, it needed a cast to
make that happen. So Courney Weaver is really the Jamie
Lee Curtis, Yeah, the Jamie Lee Curtis of that movie franchise.
But I think in a real life fight, the Xenomorph wins. Right.
I don't know how Freddy dies. Everybody falls asleep, but
(20:03):
I don't know how that works against the xeno morph,
you know. Yeah, it's a bad matchup for Freddy. Yeah.
I think Freddy just got unlucky.
Speaker 2 (20:11):
Yeah, he just got tough. One first round and you're out,
you know, and sometimes that's the way it goes.
Speaker 1 (20:17):
Yeah, two men enter, one zino morph leaves.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
Yeah, so Xenomorph another upset, advancing to the next round.
All right, Our final first round matchup pits penny Wise
versus Chucky, a clown.
Speaker 1 (20:34):
Versus a doll. Yeah, it's probably the most fun matchup,
I think, out of all of them, because you've got
this evil clown versus a murderous doll. I mean, how
much fun would that be to see? I would love
to see that movie, to be honest. If you could
pit those two, not Predator versus Alien or Jason versus whoever,
Chucky versus penny Wise, it'd be the funniest it would
(20:55):
be Chucky. You know, my thing with him was always
just kick him. Yeah, but estimated number of kills. You know,
he's had a lot of movies, fifty plus kills. This
is across you know, the child's play movies, Bride of Chuckie,
Seed of Chucky, Curse of Chucky, Cult of Chucky, and
of course he had his own series too, and he's
(21:17):
got a wife. Yeah, Bride of Chucky. I mean the
fact that the doll got married has a sinister bride
to help him. I think they both rely on deception tricks. Yeah, yeah,
that's a good point and surprise. So they both have
these twisted sense of humor and that what makes it
a fun matchup because watching them sort of like play
(21:42):
tricks on each other and mess with each other would
be interesting.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
But could they do any of their signature things to
each other like penny Wise, you know, like plays on
people's fears, right.
Speaker 1 (21:53):
Yeah, does Chucky have fears?
Speaker 2 (21:55):
No?
Speaker 1 (21:55):
I don't think he does. And here's the other thing.
Pennywise has been defeated by kids, and Chucky's is a
kid's toy.
Speaker 2 (22:05):
Yeah, Chucky also has the soul of a serial killer
in him, so he I think would probably sneak up
on penny Wise in some way. Penny Wise is probably like,
I'm gonna take this stupid doll out in two seconds.
Speaker 1 (22:16):
And going back to your point, is like his sole
power is really fear, playing off fear. When he was defeated,
it was because they weren't afraid of him, and if
Chucky's not afraid of him, he'd immediately lose.
Speaker 2 (22:31):
He's got nothing. And Chucky's kind of thing is like
I'm pretending like I'm a friendly doll, which could work
on penny Wise. Yeah, please don't hurt me, clown.
Speaker 1 (22:42):
Yeah, and then his bride comes into Yeah, slit's his throat,
which wouldn't be a fair matchup, but you know, who's
to say with these villains, Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
If they care about fair matchups. So Chucky taking out
penny Wise surprising. It's all around. You know, I didn't
know it was gonna happen here today, but I'm just
surprised already by what's happening. So advancing to round two,
we've got Pazuzu, Jason, the Xena Morph, and Chucky. We're
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losing Michael Meyer's leather Face, Freddy and Pennywise, some big
icons down already.
Speaker 1 (23:23):
Yeah, now you should be really on the edge of
your seat. Yeah, now, it gets serious looking behind you
most of the time. Take a quick peek, just make
sure this is our intermission break. Take a look behind you,
and we're back, all right. Round two.
Speaker 2 (23:40):
The first matchup is Pazuzu versus Chucky m okay, which
technically we've got a demon versus a possessed doll. Right, Yeah,
Chucky's kind of like a demon inside of a doll,
so it's kind of like a demon versus demon.
Speaker 1 (23:59):
And this could go one of two ways. Could Bazuzu
overtake the other demon inside of Chucky possession and then
possess him, or is that slot already filled and he
can't and therefore Chucky's fighting a spirit who has no form.
What would Chucky do then, I don't know. He would
(24:20):
try to cut his ankles, you know, his his spirit ankles. Yeah, so,
I don't know. I think Pazuzu kind of comes up
on top here. I think so too.
Speaker 2 (24:32):
I think Chuck's a little bit out of luck. I think,
you know, if you're looking at the Exorcist, Exorcist just
swallows up child's play hole.
Speaker 1 (24:40):
I mean, child's play wasn't winning any awards.
Speaker 2 (24:43):
No, The Exorcist approximately four hundred and forty one million
worldwide nineteen seventy.
Speaker 1 (24:51):
Three, four hundred and forty one Yeah, really nineteen seventy
three too? Is that adjusted? I have no idea. Yeah,
why are you asking me these kind of questions?
Speaker 2 (25:02):
God?
Speaker 1 (25:02):
Damn.
Speaker 2 (25:03):
Let's see now this looks like well, according to I'm
getting different number. According to box office Mojo, I got
four hundred and thirty worldwide, two hundred and thirty three domestic.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
Those are some insane numbers.
Speaker 2 (25:14):
Ah.
Speaker 1 (25:15):
Yeah, it's like fifty billion dollars today. That's my math.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
It was a phenomenon number one movie of nineteen seventy three.
Speaker 1 (25:22):
So yeah, Pazuzu I think comes out swinging, kills Chucky immediately,
Chucky dead on arrival.
Speaker 2 (25:30):
Our next matchup, in round two, we've got Jason versus
the Zena one. Jason, your boy. He killed Kevin Bacon
with an arrow to the.
Speaker 1 (25:40):
Throat underneath the bed too, I think under the bed.
Yeah yeah, or was that his mother? I was somebody?
But also one of those things where does Jason lose
some points? Because pretty sure his mom was killing people.
Speaker 2 (25:54):
His mom did kill a lot of people in the
first one. You know, when your mom's doing some of your.
Speaker 1 (25:59):
Work, that's a giveaway that maybe you're not up to
the task of killing a xenomorph, an alien from another
planet that can be like a parasite, get inside your body,
explode out of your chest. I mean, are you then unstoppable?
I don't think.
Speaker 2 (26:18):
Well, let's throw this out there. Jason, you know, often
dies at the end of the movie and comes back.
Speaker 1 (26:25):
Mm hmm. So can he even be killed? Yeah, Xenomorphs
can be killed. They can be killed. They have been killed,
though there's just more of it, you know, they lay
the eggs. Yeah, so that's a good point, and maybe
ten points in Jason's favor is that if he can't
be killed, if he can be you know, resurrected or
whatever it is that's happening, that might definitely defeat the
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xenomorph who can be killed.
Speaker 2 (26:48):
Yeah, Jason's strong. Jason can rip things apart. He could
stick a xenomorph in a sleeping bag and swinging around.
Speaker 1 (26:57):
He does. He has creative ways of killing people and
potentially aliens. So I don't know, I'm being swung like
a sleeping bag to the other side. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:06):
Initially I was like, you know, acid blood, but yeah,
once you take in that indestructibility, he's kind of a
little bit supernatural in that way.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
Yeah, and he is part of what we called it
Big three Slashers, Freddie, Michael and him m hm, the
Mount Rushmore ooh, yeah, of killers again. Costume popularity. You
went back nobody's dressing up as a xenomorph.
Speaker 2 (27:32):
No, it's unfortunate you don't see a lot of them.
Speaker 1 (27:35):
How do you dress up as a xenomorph?
Speaker 2 (27:37):
I mean it seems like an expensive costume versus a
hockey mask.
Speaker 1 (27:40):
It would I have seen at comic cons. I've seen
these elaborate things that they do with three D printing
now and it's crazy. But that's not the norm for
sure at Halloween, so not in my neighborhood. Jason, I
think wins this.
Speaker 2 (27:54):
Yeah, let's give it to Jason. Surprising. I mean, he
beats a leather face and then the xenomorph on the
road to the championship round where Jason now is going
to be taking on Pazuzu. I don't know, you know
when we started that this is what I would have
expected in the end now, but it's.
Speaker 1 (28:11):
It feels right, it does honestly, Jason obviously unstoppable. He
gets resurrected. But then you have Bazuzu, who is a
demon who possesses. And one is very serious and scary,
the other one is kind of funny and scary.
Speaker 2 (28:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:29):
They both have iconic songs. Oh yeah, Exorcists. I can't
sing that one for you. It's like a chimy piano
type thing. Yeah, and it's and it's just eerie, right,
And then the other one was I mean, and that
I remember as a kid, you eveually your friends in
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the dark in the woods. Yeah, terrifying, just the sound.
So I don't know. Pazuzu, you know, who is a
mess Atamian demon, Mesopotamian, Mussopotamian. We're not trying to be
scientific here, Shad.
Speaker 2 (29:07):
We're not archaeologists. If we are talking about legacy, the
Exorcist has struggled beyond the original. They keep making them
to some extent, but I think they've struggled to really
leave an imprint beyond that initial movie, which you know,
super huge, super big shadow. You know, all these Jason movies,
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even if they're kind of throwaway people like, I'm coming
for the coming for the sound, I'm coming for the kills.
I know what I'm gonna get. It's kind of funny,
it's kind of goofy. Give me ten of these for
like ten years were pretty popular.
Speaker 1 (29:44):
Yeah, And I know Michael Myers was credited with a
lot of kills, but I'm pretty sure Jason Vori He's
has more kills than him.
Speaker 2 (29:54):
Estimated at one fifty to one sixty three, Michael Myers
one thirty to one sixty. So he's probably the highest
on our list of kills.
Speaker 1 (30:08):
Even if you count potentially some of his mom's kills, right, Yeah,
even if some of his moms are in there.
Speaker 2 (30:16):
Another challenge of Pazuzu is, you know, not really get
the kills down. If you're going into your annual review,
they might be like, are you really taking them out?
I mean, I know that's not what the demon's trying
to do, not necessarily like trying to just instantly kill people.
Speaker 1 (30:32):
How many kills is a soul worth? Yeah, so you know,
I don't think he's going for straight up kills. I
think he's going for souls quality, not quantity, is what
you're saying. Yeah, that's what I'm saying, right, Okay, he's.
Speaker 2 (30:46):
Also thrown his machete at somebody's head who's in a wheelchair,
causing them to not only die, but then their wheelchair
goes backwards down a set of steps.
Speaker 1 (30:59):
Oh, just like in the Exorcist when the guy falls
down the stairs.
Speaker 2 (31:04):
So yeah, as far as like stare knocks go, that
might be better. He's frozen somebody's head and then smashed it.
Speaker 1 (31:13):
Yeah he has.
Speaker 2 (31:15):
Let's see what else he's done. Pop somebody's eyeball out.
Speaker 1 (31:18):
And he's also killed people in space? What demon could
do that? Demons don't go out of space.
Speaker 2 (31:25):
Again, we go to could Pezuzu just possessed Jason potentially,
But we're talking about Jason as this indestructible supernatural for
us who just comes back to life.
Speaker 1 (31:37):
Plus you know again going to the uh Halloween costumes
and stuff like that. The product placement. I think Jason
is he's winning. He's winning. Long story short, I think
Jason might have this.
Speaker 2 (31:52):
I think Jason might too. I think we're gonna have
to give it to Jason. I think Jason is the
ultimate ampion of frights. Walking out of the Halloween Thunderdome,
the only man alive.
Speaker 1 (32:08):
Was that predictable. I was kind of rooting for Bazuzu
me too, and Pezuzu had a really good run. Pazuzu
barely made it in right.
Speaker 2 (32:17):
You know. We considered some other candidates, like long Legs,
Jason I think is a top one. I don't know
that I would have picked Jason to win.
Speaker 1 (32:25):
No, I wouldn't have. But then like he comes out
and I'm like, ugh, once you see the body of work. Yeah,
the body of Work. I like, hey, I like how
you kind of scooted that in there. So, what's your
favorite slasher movie or horror movie? Like, out of any
of these maybe or not, any other movies that you
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would recommend?
Speaker 2 (32:48):
Probably the Exorcist in Texas, Chainsaw Massacre of my favorite.
I really like the Nightmare on Elm Street series too.
When I was younger, that was the one I was
like most intrigued by and kind of scared by as
a kid.
Speaker 1 (33:00):
Yeah, is it the Dreams? Is it the Dreams part? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (33:04):
Just the creepiness of Freddy, you know what I mean.
It was like I had the kind of same thing
as Friday the Thirteenth, where it was like a little funny,
but also when you're young and watching it, you're like,
it's also just the tone of the music and like
the way it looks. You know, it's also just a
little bit scary. You're like, this makes me feel.
Speaker 1 (33:21):
A little uneasy. What about you? I would probably say
The Exorcist if you're going for serious scary, or Friday
the Thirteenth if you're going for funny scary, Like some
of the kills are just silly. Even Freddy Freddy had
a lot of one liners. And then The Second Alien
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one of my favorite probably sci fi scary movies.
Speaker 2 (33:45):
Yeah, I have a tough time calling that one a
horror movie. You know, the first one kind of falls
into horror, but the second one is more on the
sci fi. I guess the first one is too, but
the second one's less of a horror mm hmm.
Speaker 1 (33:59):
So outside of this any any recommendations.
Speaker 2 (34:04):
An actual movie that's like pretty creepy that gets talked
about sometimes is The Strangers if you've ever seen that, Yeah,
which is just a pretty straight up like people getting
kind of stalked by killers for no reason movie, but
good tension in that. That's a movie I remember watching
and being like, oh, this is this is pretty like scary.
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And another one I like is American Werewolf in London,
which is a you know, kind of funny, kind of
scary movie which has some great special effects. So those
are a couple off the top of my head.
Speaker 1 (34:36):
I would say as a kid, Poltergeist scared me. That's
a good. Yeah, if you're talking about true fright and scariness,
it's the spirit for me, way scarier to me than
this seeable Michael Myers, Jason. That stuff is scary in
its own right, but if you can't see it and
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it can possess or it can like just haunt to you,
that's terrifying to me. It's all those like Poltergeist man,
the scenes in that movie when I was a kid,
it still haunt me to this day, you know. Yeah.
Another one, the Shining I think is a good. I
mean Stephen King, he had, he had the knack, he
knows what he's doing. That guy, well, Jason's the winner
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of Thunderdome epic epic.
Speaker 2 (35:24):
In these thunderdomes, you just don't know who's gonna walk out, yeah,
with their machete.
Speaker 1 (35:29):
Eight horror movie villains enter, one horror movie villain leaves. Well,
that's it for this episode of Movies and Marketing. Until
next time, let's fade the black. I'll be back. He's
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So Halloween, Halloween coming at us. It's the spooky time
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Speaker 2 (00:49):
It's here, it's close, you can feel it. It's getting
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Speaker 1 (00:54):
I envision the listener right now, October thirty first, just
sitting there, hanging out, listening to our soothing and yet
often sultry voices, dulcet tones. Yeah, and you're thinking to yourself,
what do they mean? It's almost hear it is here, Halloween.
That's good.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
I envision the listener. They're like sitting in their easy chair.
They got like their big, you know, headphones on, beats
by dre. Perhaps they're just kind of sitting back. They're like,
oh right, a new episode's kicking in. Put the headphones on,
you know, lean back, they don't see behind them a
(01:34):
masked killer creeping up slowly, so quietly as they're just
laughing along, enjoying the show.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
You like, turn around right there, right there, he's behind you.
So if that's you, just crane your neck, take a
glance back, Yeah, just in case, or just sit there
and make sure you have a mirror that you can
see behind you at all times. Yeah, I sit in
with don't let anybody creep up on you like that,
given that it's Halloween. So to start us off tonight.
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In the original Child's play from nineteen eighty eight, remember
all the way back then, what real world toy line
inspired the design and marketing of the good guy doll
that Chucky inhabits.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
It's a good question, and a you know, very marketing
related question.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
Yeah, I like it.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
I know it.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
You don't want the multiple choice.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
And last time I know I did this, you were
confident and I dove right in and now you're like
dead wrong.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
I was like, noop, I think you'll get it this
time without the multiple choice.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
Well, I thought I knew it. Now I'm like backing
up a little bit because now I'm like, there's two
things on my mind. Here. Okay, so now I'm like,
maybe I don't know it, so maybe I should take
the multiple choice. But I'll tell you up front the
two things that I'm thinking about. Okay, the first thing
that came to my mind was My Buddy, which was
like a doll that was like your friend. But then
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the second thing that came to my mind was Teddy
rock Spin, which was like a talking teddy bear.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
Oh yeah, so are those both in the multiple choice?
Both of those are in the multiple choice? Okay, well,
then I'll give you the multiple choice and then you
could decide, Yeah, is it a my Buddy b This
one's good. Cabbage Patch kids, those were scary. See Teddy
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Rockspin who talked and also turned on by himself.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
Sounds weird when you say turned on by himself.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
It was a spooky ass bear. Yeah, Ordze Kid's sister,
which was really kind of the My Buddy counterpart.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
Yeah female my Buddy right, mm hmm, jeez. Yeah, I'm
still in the same jam here. I'm trying to think timeline,
like when did my Buddy come out? I feel like
my younger brother had a My Buddy sometime in the
early nineties, so was that later maybe Teddy Rouxspin was first.
I'm going with rock Spin here, even though my first
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instinct was my buddy, I'm gonna go with Rocksbin, I'm
gonna go against myself.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
I'm probably screwed. Go ahead, what is it? You're right it? Yeah,
it was my buddy. You had it right, see you
second guess yourself? I did I did?
Speaker 2 (04:20):
You know that's a perfect picture of how my mind works.
I'm like, I got it.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
And then I'm like, wait, well, it's understandable after the
last time you came hard with confidence. Yeah, you're like,
no multiple choice on know this pop tarts? And then
I was like, no, it's egg offfles.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
And Teddy Rouxman and my buddy were so close and
both along the same lines, you know, because Chucky does talk.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
He does Chucky right. Obviously heavily based on Hasbro's My
Buddy dolls from the eighties, but as you kind of
dig through, the doll was also inspired by a real,
supposedly haunted doll named Robert the Doll. This doll was
gifted to a boy named Robert Eugene Otto in nineteen
(05:04):
o six, So this is very old and it's rumored
to have been cursed. So a little bit of it
is based on that doll. If you see the picture
of that doll, creepy af I mean, looks a lot
like Chucky. But the overalls and everything else were based
around my buddy.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
Yeah, I do think all dolls are probably creepy and haunted.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
Yeah. I know a lady who like collects those porcelain dolls,
and we used to go to her house, and it
was she would have them sitting around the house and
I was like, no, I gotta go, I can't stay here.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
One of our neighbors was like having a garage there
one time and gave some to my daughter and then
she like put them in a room and then was
like within one day, like take these out of my
So they like are in our attic somewhere.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
Now, that's the scariest part that they're lurking there somewhere
and you don't know that they're still there. I mean,
that's true. They could have escaped or they could be
doing whatever. That's probably why some people keep them out
so they could see them, know exactly where they're at.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
Yeah, that's a good lead in though, you know, talking
about Chucky, one of our big horror villains. I mean,
right now, he's on Fante commercials. Yeah, you know, so
he's just continuing to be in the culture. So we
have a lot of these iconic horror movie villains, so
many in fact, that we said, maybe it's time for
them to have a showdown, Maybe it's time to find
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out who's really.
Speaker 1 (06:35):
The top dog.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
That's why we decided to chuck them into what we
like to call a thunderdome. And that's what's going to
happen here today.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
Now. For those of you who may not.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
Have listened to every episode of the show, or if
you're not familiar with the nineteen eighty five film Mad
Max Beyond Thunderdome, you may be wondering, what the hell
is a thund underdome? Well, pretty simple. Inside the Thunderdome,
you have a fight to the death. So, as they
say in the movie, two men enter, one man leaves. Basically,
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when you go in, only one person's walking out, a
battle royale. In our case, today, we have eight beings, entities,
villains going in and only one of them can emerge
as the champion of frights. Oh I like that, A
champion of frights. I said it so we're going to
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find out who that is. In today's Halloween Thunderdome. We've
got in this eight horror movie icons. As I mentioned,
they're going to face off at individual battles until where
we wean that down to one. Let's introduce our contestants
for the listeners, Patrick, do you want to start us off? Here?
Speaker 1 (07:58):
Go run us through the line. Yeah. So we've got eight.
As Shad said, Number one is Michael Myers from the
movie series Halloween. You might know it iconically by the music.
Also Jason Vorhees from the movie series Friday the Thirteen.
It's number two. Number three Freddy Krueger from the movie
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series One Nightmare on Elm Street. And then we have
Penny Wise. Number four from the movie series It Stephen King.
Five is Chucky, none other than the one that sort
of led us into the episode from the movie series
Child's Play. Number six is the Zeno morph from the
movie series Alien. Number seven is leather Face from the
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movie series The Texas Chainsaw Massacre. And then number eight
Hazuzu say it again with me, Hzuzu Suzu so much
fun to say, from the movie series The Exorcist. That's right,
it's the demon who possesses the child. So that's the eight.
It does seem like it's male centric.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
It does, which you know, as we know, makes sense
if you look at the serial killer lineup in history.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
This is good because I think we've got some good
pair offs. You know, we've got a few rounds.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
Yeah, so in the first round, you know, we've got
some one on ones, and then from there, the winners
of those rounds will then face each other in round two. Finally,
in round three, we're gonna just be left with two finalists.
Whoever takes the other person out there, we're gonna get
our champion.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
So how do you win around?
Speaker 2 (09:41):
You know what I mean? What's the criteria here? Pretty loose.
I'm gonna say that we're figuring this out as we go.
I think we're just gonna talk through these but it's
gonna involve several factors, probably the strength of the character
of the villain, like what they can actually do, but
also of the franchise and their place in pop culture.
(10:03):
I think that's going to play a part too, Maybe
some wild card things we're not even thinking about yet.
Speaker 1 (10:07):
Yeah, there's a lot of aspects to each character, more
than you would imagine just you know, surface level, like
you know that they kind of come up. They're scary,
they kill people, but there's a lot to them. There's
a lot of depth there, I think, more than you
would imagine. And we'll talk a little bit about that
in the episode. I think I think so too.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
So let's get to our first matchup here, which is
a humdinger, and that is Michael Myers versus Pazzuzu. I
don't know if you could ask for a better first
matchup than this one. This is this is strong, this
is tough.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
Yeah, I mean you have a guy who's great at
stabbing people, an unstoppable killer, some would say yeah. And
then you have the Pazzuzu. You know, he's capable of
possessions what people call a corporeal threat.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
It sounds good, so obviously, you know, Michael Myers, sometimes
referred to as the Shape or the Boogeyman, has the
signature movie franchise of Halloween. Halloween once the highest grossing
independent movie of all time at one point. What is
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most impressive to me, though, I think, is the estimated number.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
Of kills for this guy.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
Oh yeah, some place him at one hundred and thirty
to one hundred and sixty kills in total across his films.
I don't know if that's accurate, but that's a lot
of kills.
Speaker 1 (11:39):
Yeah, it's a ton of kills. And then you have
Pazuzu from The Exorcist.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
Great Legacy, considered one of the scariest movies of all
time h Oscar nominated movie. This was like a you know,
phenomenon when it came out, and still, I mean it
still holds up. This pretty pretty terrifying movie.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
There's nothing scarier than demonic possession and also just demons
in general, right, because it's it's more of the unseen, unknowable. Yeah,
some people aren't scared by some guy coming around with
a knife and because you know, just run. How do
you run from a demon.
Speaker 2 (12:18):
Something that's inside of you? Yeah, And that's really Pazuzu's power.
You know, if these two are fighting, technically, can't Pazuzu
just get inside of Michael Myers possess him.
Speaker 1 (12:31):
See that's interesting to me. Possesses him, makes him stab himself.
I mean that's terrifying. I could be wrong, but he
might be scared.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
Yeah, So this is the tough one Halloween and Michael
Myers just has such a huge imprint. I mean people
still wear this costume all the time. The mask based
on William Shatner mask, by the way, very just well known.
But I feel like the Exorcist lives on and Pazuzu
the possession wildcard.
Speaker 1 (13:01):
I might go Pazuzu here. There's something about the the
horror of the cosmic possession if you will over you know,
just a street slasher.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
That's you know, talking a little smack on Myers, who
is unstoppable. He's not your everyday killer.
Speaker 1 (13:22):
True, but he also had a cast that made him popular.
Jamie Lee Curtis, Yeah, that's true. Pezusu didn't need a
cast like that to be scary. We've given it to Pazuzu.
I think we are I think is taking it a
huge upset the spiritual versus the physical.
Speaker 2 (13:42):
Yeah, Pazuzu advancing to round two?
Speaker 1 (13:45):
All right?
Speaker 2 (13:46):
Who we got in our second matchup?
Speaker 1 (13:47):
Patrick? All right? So in our second matchup we got
Jason Vorhees versus leather Face.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
He's scary because he doesn't have theme music.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
Yeah, he's just got chainsaw.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
He's got a chainsaw and he's real gritty.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
Yeah, down and dirty.
Speaker 2 (14:05):
That is the source of the fear and the Texas
chainsaw Maskers. You watch it and you're watching something a
little bit where you're like, oh, this feels it's so grimy.
It's made on such like a low budget level. You're like,
oh my gosh, this kind of feels like a little
too real. Yeah, so unpolished just makes me uncomfortable. And
that's why I think Text Chainsaw Masker to me is
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one of the scarier horror.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
Movies leather Face. He's pretty brutal. I would say that
also goes for Jason Boy's. When I was a kid,
we were watching this in our house, right, must be
an HBO at the time. And he comes upon a
campsite and they're all screaming, freaking out, and the one
girl gets inside of her sleeping bag and he swings
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the sleeping bag around in the air and hits there
against a tree. It was both terrifying but also kind
of funny, you know, in a very twisted a way.
It was funny. I apologize to those who think, how
could you think that's funny? That it is not funny? Patrick, Well,
I don't know. It was kind of funny at the time.
So you might have the advantage there.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
You got something there. Jason is almost the ultimate popcorn killer. Yeah,
I mean the hockey mask. Everybody knows. I mean the
sequels got so ridiculous after a while. He went space.
Speaker 1 (15:24):
Yeah, you know, he took Manhattan. He's kind of indestructible.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
You know.
Speaker 1 (15:28):
I ding him a little bit for that, but that's
also kind of his appeal. Here's where Jason has the
advantage for me is that leather face. While he's rage
full and he's unpredictable, Jason his iconic status. The hockey
mask is almost synonymous with Halloween, where it's like, you know,
you don't get a lot of leather face costumes, you
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don't get a lot of leather faces on how No,
cause it's kind of disturbing and sick.
Speaker 2 (15:54):
It's actually scarier and it's more terrifying. But it's not again,
it's not as like fun.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
The hockey mask is a symbol of terror. So I
would probably give this to Jason Vorhes. I'm with you
on this.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
Even though I think Texas chainsawm Masking the better movie
the original, I think Jason has just more pop culture power,
maybe the most of any of these guys.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
Yeah, theater merch too. I was just at the movie
theater and they have Chucky Jason Michael Myers on these
different cups.
Speaker 2 (16:26):
I saw Michael Myers popcorn buckets.
Speaker 1 (16:29):
Yeah, good stuff, his good stuff.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
So Jason advancing in this one, so he's going to
round two our next one. We got another icon, Freddy
Krueger versus the xeno Morph.
Speaker 1 (16:46):
If you don't know who the xeno morph is.
Speaker 2 (16:49):
Yeah, the xenomorph is the alien from the movie Alien Aliens.
Speaker 1 (16:55):
Yeah, and you know, five or six sequels after that,
and the recent team issue, yeah, Alien Earth, which is
actually pretty good. I gotta say. Yeah. So here we
got Freddy Krueger. If you remember from Nightmare on Elm Street,
he kills people in their dreams. Mostly he fights them
in their dreams. Hmm. Xenomorphs probably don't dream, so I
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don't really know how that would work out.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
I was telling my wife about this, you know, this thunderdome,
what we were doing here, and her big question was,
or are they fighting? She's like, do any of these
people sleep? You know, because that's Freddy Krueger's power. I'm like, well,
are they all kind of gonna sleep? State?
Speaker 1 (17:33):
Yeah, the alien might be the exception to that. You know,
I feel like the other Killers they're kind of dead
or they're like spirits or something like that. Yeah, I don't.
I think that the xenomorph might have I mean, I
don't know, and the.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
Xenomorph does sleep though there's a resting state I suppose.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
But would Freddy have the upper hand? Would he even
know how to enter the dream of a xenomorph?
Speaker 2 (17:54):
You know, I mean can't speak to whether they dream
or not, but I think there's been times where they've
been found you know, resting.
Speaker 1 (18:01):
Yeah, but Freddy's powers, right, they rely on fear and imagination.
Speaker 2 (18:07):
M hm.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
Xenomorphs, I don't know, man, do they have that?
Speaker 2 (18:12):
I will say the Nightmare at Elm Street series was
my favorite of the Killer ones because they were the
most creative in the fact that he could go into
the dreams and like alter everything. Weird things would happen there.
The Kills were super creative. Make my arms super long
and then I'm gonna grab you and you know, rip
(18:33):
you to pieces. Things like that kind of like anything
could happen in that world.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
I really liked that.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
I don't know if that helps him in this way,
but of that time. You know, in the eighties nineties,
he was probably the most popular. You know, we're talking
about Halloween again. His costume still lives on. Don't see
a lot of xenomorphs out there. That true, He's like
adjacent in that way. But the power of the xenomorph,
I mean, this is why nobody's really defeated them in
the movies.
Speaker 1 (19:00):
Yeah, pure instinct, acid, blood popping out of you. You know,
they're different forms, yeah, you know, and it habits you
inside of you. What if an alien got inside of Freddy, Yeah, yeah,
pops out and becomes part Freddy right at that point,
then it has mind powers for people's dreams. Oh, unstoppable.
(19:20):
And if you look back Nightmare on Elm Streep versus Alien,
I don't know what their box office did, but I
feel like Alien might be the winner in that case.
I think so.
Speaker 2 (19:30):
I think Nightmare Elm Streep was popular, but Alien the
first one, the second one, these were like phenomenon. These
were like one hundred million plus grosers. Yeah, so all
in all, the franchise probably made more money.
Speaker 1 (19:42):
And if you could count a downside of that, it
would be that, like Halloween, it needed a cast to
make that happen. So Courney Weaver is really the Jamie
Lee Curtis, Yeah, the Jamie Lee Curtis of that movie franchise.
But I think in a real life fight, the Xenomorph wins. Right.
I don't know how Freddy dies. Everybody falls asleep, but
(20:03):
I don't know how that works against the xeno morph,
you know. Yeah, it's a bad matchup for Freddy. Yeah.
I think Freddy just got unlucky.
Speaker 2 (20:11):
Yeah, he just got tough. One first round and you're out,
you know, and sometimes that's the way it goes.
Speaker 1 (20:17):
Yeah, two men enter, one zino morph leaves.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
Yeah, so Xenomorph another upset, advancing to the next round.
All right, Our final first round matchup pits penny Wise
versus Chucky, a clown.
Speaker 1 (20:34):
Versus a doll. Yeah, it's probably the most fun matchup,
I think, out of all of them, because you've got
this evil clown versus a murderous doll. I mean, how
much fun would that be to see? I would love
to see that movie, to be honest. If you could
pit those two, not Predator versus Alien or Jason versus whoever,
Chucky versus penny Wise, it'd be the funniest it would
(20:55):
be Chucky. You know, my thing with him was always
just kick him. Yeah, but estimated number of kills. You know,
he's had a lot of movies, fifty plus kills. This
is across you know, the child's play movies, Bride of Chuckie,
Seed of Chucky, Curse of Chucky, Cult of Chucky, and
of course he had his own series too, and he's
(21:17):
got a wife. Yeah, Bride of Chucky. I mean the
fact that the doll got married has a sinister bride
to help him. I think they both rely on deception tricks. Yeah, yeah,
that's a good point and surprise. So they both have
these twisted sense of humor and that what makes it
a fun matchup because watching them sort of like play
(21:42):
tricks on each other and mess with each other would
be interesting.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
But could they do any of their signature things to
each other like penny Wise, you know, like plays on
people's fears, right.
Speaker 1 (21:53):
Yeah, does Chucky have fears?
Speaker 2 (21:55):
No?
Speaker 1 (21:55):
I don't think he does. And here's the other thing.
Pennywise has been defeated by kids, and Chucky's is a
kid's toy.
Speaker 2 (22:05):
Yeah, Chucky also has the soul of a serial killer
in him, so he I think would probably sneak up
on penny Wise in some way. Penny Wise is probably like,
I'm gonna take this stupid doll out in two seconds.
Speaker 1 (22:16):
And going back to your point, is like his sole
power is really fear, playing off fear. When he was defeated,
it was because they weren't afraid of him, and if
Chucky's not afraid of him, he'd immediately lose.
Speaker 2 (22:31):
He's got nothing. And Chucky's kind of thing is like
I'm pretending like I'm a friendly doll, which could work
on penny Wise. Yeah, please don't hurt me, clown.
Speaker 1 (22:42):
Yeah, and then his bride comes into Yeah, slit's his throat,
which wouldn't be a fair matchup, but you know, who's
to say with these villains, Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
If they care about fair matchups. So Chucky taking out
penny Wise surprising. It's all around. You know, I didn't
know it was gonna happen here today, but I'm just
surprised already by what's happening. So advancing to round two,
we've got Pazuzu, Jason, the Xena Morph, and Chucky. We're
(23:15):
losing Michael Meyer's leather Face, Freddy and Pennywise, some big
icons down already.
Speaker 1 (23:23):
Yeah, now you should be really on the edge of
your seat. Yeah, now, it gets serious looking behind you
most of the time. Take a quick peek, just make
sure this is our intermission break. Take a look behind you,
and we're back, all right. Round two.
Speaker 2 (23:40):
The first matchup is Pazuzu versus Chucky m okay, which
technically we've got a demon versus a possessed doll. Right, Yeah,
Chucky's kind of like a demon inside of a doll,
so it's kind of like a demon versus demon.
Speaker 1 (23:59):
And this could go one of two ways. Could Bazuzu
overtake the other demon inside of Chucky possession and then
possess him, or is that slot already filled and he
can't and therefore Chucky's fighting a spirit who has no form.
What would Chucky do then, I don't know. He would
(24:20):
try to cut his ankles, you know, his his spirit ankles. Yeah, so,
I don't know. I think Pazuzu kind of comes up
on top here. I think so too.
Speaker 2 (24:32):
I think Chuck's a little bit out of luck. I think,
you know, if you're looking at the Exorcist, Exorcist just
swallows up child's play hole.
Speaker 1 (24:40):
I mean, child's play wasn't winning any awards.
Speaker 2 (24:43):
No, The Exorcist approximately four hundred and forty one million
worldwide nineteen seventy.
Speaker 1 (24:51):
Three, four hundred and forty one Yeah, really nineteen seventy
three too? Is that adjusted? I have no idea. Yeah,
why are you asking me these kind of questions?
Speaker 2 (25:02):
God?
Speaker 1 (25:02):
Damn.
Speaker 2 (25:03):
Let's see now this looks like well, according to I'm
getting different number. According to box office Mojo, I got
four hundred and thirty worldwide, two hundred and thirty three domestic.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
Those are some insane numbers.
Speaker 2 (25:14):
Ah.
Speaker 1 (25:15):
Yeah, it's like fifty billion dollars today. That's my math.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
It was a phenomenon number one movie of nineteen seventy three.
Speaker 1 (25:22):
So yeah, Pazuzu I think comes out swinging, kills Chucky immediately,
Chucky dead on arrival.
Speaker 2 (25:30):
Our next matchup, in round two, we've got Jason versus
the Zena one. Jason, your boy. He killed Kevin Bacon
with an arrow to the.
Speaker 1 (25:40):
Throat underneath the bed too, I think under the bed.
Yeah yeah, or was that his mother? I was somebody?
But also one of those things where does Jason lose
some points? Because pretty sure his mom was killing people.
Speaker 2 (25:54):
His mom did kill a lot of people in the
first one. You know, when your mom's doing some of your.
Speaker 1 (25:59):
Work, that's a giveaway that maybe you're not up to
the task of killing a xenomorph, an alien from another
planet that can be like a parasite, get inside your body,
explode out of your chest. I mean, are you then unstoppable?
I don't think.
Speaker 2 (26:18):
Well, let's throw this out there. Jason, you know, often
dies at the end of the movie and comes back.
Speaker 1 (26:25):
Mm hmm. So can he even be killed? Yeah, Xenomorphs
can be killed. They can be killed. They have been killed,
though there's just more of it, you know, they lay
the eggs. Yeah, so that's a good point, and maybe
ten points in Jason's favor is that if he can't
be killed, if he can be you know, resurrected or
whatever it is that's happening, that might definitely defeat the
(26:46):
xenomorph who can be killed.
Speaker 2 (26:48):
Yeah, Jason's strong. Jason can rip things apart. He could
stick a xenomorph in a sleeping bag and swinging around.
Speaker 1 (26:57):
He does. He has creative ways of killing people and
potentially aliens. So I don't know, I'm being swung like
a sleeping bag to the other side. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:06):
Initially I was like, you know, acid blood, but yeah,
once you take in that indestructibility, he's kind of a
little bit supernatural in that way.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
Yeah, and he is part of what we called it
Big three Slashers, Freddie, Michael and him m hm, the
Mount Rushmore ooh, yeah, of killers again. Costume popularity. You
went back nobody's dressing up as a xenomorph.
Speaker 2 (27:32):
No, it's unfortunate you don't see a lot of them.
Speaker 1 (27:35):
How do you dress up as a xenomorph?
Speaker 2 (27:37):
I mean it seems like an expensive costume versus a
hockey mask.
Speaker 1 (27:40):
It would I have seen at comic cons. I've seen
these elaborate things that they do with three D printing
now and it's crazy. But that's not the norm for
sure at Halloween, so not in my neighborhood. Jason, I
think wins this.
Speaker 2 (27:54):
Yeah, let's give it to Jason. Surprising. I mean, he
beats a leather face and then the xenomorph on the
road to the championship round where Jason now is going
to be taking on Pazuzu. I don't know, you know
when we started that this is what I would have
expected in the end now, but it's.
Speaker 1 (28:11):
It feels right, it does honestly, Jason obviously unstoppable. He
gets resurrected. But then you have Bazuzu, who is a
demon who possesses. And one is very serious and scary,
the other one is kind of funny and scary.
Speaker 2 (28:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:29):
They both have iconic songs. Oh yeah, Exorcists. I can't
sing that one for you. It's like a chimy piano
type thing. Yeah, and it's and it's just eerie, right,
And then the other one was I mean, and that
I remember as a kid, you eveually your friends in
(28:51):
the dark in the woods. Yeah, terrifying, just the sound.
So I don't know. Pazuzu, you know, who is a
mess Atamian demon, Mesopotamian, Mussopotamian. We're not trying to be
scientific here, Shad.
Speaker 2 (29:07):
We're not archaeologists. If we are talking about legacy, the
Exorcist has struggled beyond the original. They keep making them
to some extent, but I think they've struggled to really
leave an imprint beyond that initial movie, which you know,
super huge, super big shadow. You know, all these Jason movies,
(29:31):
even if they're kind of throwaway people like, I'm coming
for the coming for the sound, I'm coming for the kills.
I know what I'm gonna get. It's kind of funny,
it's kind of goofy. Give me ten of these for
like ten years were pretty popular.
Speaker 1 (29:44):
Yeah, And I know Michael Myers was credited with a
lot of kills, but I'm pretty sure Jason Vori He's
has more kills than him.
Speaker 2 (29:54):
Estimated at one fifty to one sixty three, Michael Myers
one thirty to one sixty. So he's probably the highest
on our list of kills.
Speaker 1 (30:08):
Even if you count potentially some of his mom's kills, right, Yeah,
even if some of his moms are in there.
Speaker 2 (30:16):
Another challenge of Pazuzu is, you know, not really get
the kills down. If you're going into your annual review,
they might be like, are you really taking them out?
I mean, I know that's not what the demon's trying
to do, not necessarily like trying to just instantly kill people.
Speaker 1 (30:32):
How many kills is a soul worth? Yeah, so you know,
I don't think he's going for straight up kills. I
think he's going for souls quality, not quantity, is what
you're saying. Yeah, that's what I'm saying, right, Okay, he's.
Speaker 2 (30:46):
Also thrown his machete at somebody's head who's in a wheelchair,
causing them to not only die, but then their wheelchair
goes backwards down a set of steps.
Speaker 1 (30:59):
Oh, just like in the Exorcist when the guy falls
down the stairs.
Speaker 2 (31:04):
So yeah, as far as like stare knocks go, that
might be better. He's frozen somebody's head and then smashed it.
Speaker 1 (31:13):
Yeah he has.
Speaker 2 (31:15):
Let's see what else he's done. Pop somebody's eyeball out.
Speaker 1 (31:18):
And he's also killed people in space? What demon could
do that? Demons don't go out of space.
Speaker 2 (31:25):
Again, we go to could Pezuzu just possessed Jason potentially,
But we're talking about Jason as this indestructible supernatural for
us who just comes back to life.
Speaker 1 (31:37):
Plus you know again going to the uh Halloween costumes
and stuff like that. The product placement. I think Jason
is he's winning. He's winning. Long story short, I think
Jason might have this.
Speaker 2 (31:52):
I think Jason might too. I think we're gonna have
to give it to Jason. I think Jason is the
ultimate ampion of frights. Walking out of the Halloween Thunderdome,
the only man alive.
Speaker 1 (32:08):
Was that predictable. I was kind of rooting for Bazuzu
me too, and Pezuzu had a really good run. Pazuzu
barely made it in right.
Speaker 2 (32:17):
You know. We considered some other candidates, like long Legs,
Jason I think is a top one. I don't know
that I would have picked Jason to win.
Speaker 1 (32:25):
No, I wouldn't have. But then like he comes out
and I'm like, ugh, once you see the body of work. Yeah,
the body of Work. I like, hey, I like how
you kind of scooted that in there. So, what's your
favorite slasher movie or horror movie? Like, out of any
of these maybe or not, any other movies that you
(32:47):
would recommend?
Speaker 2 (32:48):
Probably the Exorcist in Texas, Chainsaw Massacre of my favorite.
I really like the Nightmare on Elm Street series too.
When I was younger, that was the one I was
like most intrigued by and kind of scared by as
a kid.
Speaker 1 (33:00):
Yeah, is it the Dreams? Is it the Dreams part? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (33:04):
Just the creepiness of Freddy, you know what I mean.
It was like I had the kind of same thing
as Friday the Thirteenth, where it was like a little funny,
but also when you're young and watching it, you're like,
it's also just the tone of the music and like
the way it looks. You know, it's also just a
little bit scary. You're like, this makes me feel.
Speaker 1 (33:21):
A little uneasy. What about you? I would probably say
The Exorcist if you're going for serious scary, or Friday
the Thirteenth if you're going for funny scary, Like some
of the kills are just silly. Even Freddy Freddy had
a lot of one liners. And then The Second Alien
(33:41):
one of my favorite probably sci fi scary movies.
Speaker 2 (33:45):
Yeah, I have a tough time calling that one a
horror movie. You know, the first one kind of falls
into horror, but the second one is more on the
sci fi. I guess the first one is too, but
the second one's less of a horror mm hmm.
Speaker 1 (33:59):
So outside of this any any recommendations.
Speaker 2 (34:04):
An actual movie that's like pretty creepy that gets talked
about sometimes is The Strangers if you've ever seen that, Yeah,
which is just a pretty straight up like people getting
kind of stalked by killers for no reason movie, but
good tension in that. That's a movie I remember watching
and being like, oh, this is this is pretty like scary.
(34:25):
And another one I like is American Werewolf in London,
which is a you know, kind of funny, kind of
scary movie which has some great special effects. So those
are a couple off the top of my head.
Speaker 1 (34:36):
I would say as a kid, Poltergeist scared me. That's
a good. Yeah, if you're talking about true fright and scariness,
it's the spirit for me, way scarier to me than
this seeable Michael Myers, Jason. That stuff is scary in
its own right, but if you can't see it and
(34:57):
it can possess or it can like just haunt to you,
that's terrifying to me. It's all those like Poltergeist man,
the scenes in that movie when I was a kid,
it still haunt me to this day, you know. Yeah.
Another one, the Shining I think is a good. I
mean Stephen King, he had, he had the knack, he
knows what he's doing. That guy, well, Jason's the winner
(35:21):
of Thunderdome epic epic.
Speaker 2 (35:24):
In these thunderdomes, you just don't know who's gonna walk out, yeah,
with their machete.
Speaker 1 (35:29):
Eight horror movie villains enter, one horror movie villain leaves. Well,
that's it for this episode of Movies and Marketing. Until
next time, let's fade the black. I'll be back. He's
not coming back.
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