June 18, 2023 • 31 mins
We all know Harrison Ford for playing iconic characters like Han Solo and Indiana Jones, but how does his career hold up without those franchise staples?
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Dial of Destiny. Hm hm Areyou ready for it? Are you
excited for it? Do you thinkit's going to be the culmination of a
lifetime of dreams? We've talked aboutthis. I'm hopeful that it will encapsulate
my whole childhood into one movie.And really that starts and ends with Harrison
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Ford, which is who we're talkingabout today. Yeah, it's true.
I mean we are the Harrison Fordgeneration. He was pretty much. We
grew up with Star Wars, wegrew up with Indiana Jones. If you
came of age in the eighties,he was your guy. That's why I'd
like to see him have one lastyou know, some like a big moment,
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like I'd like to see him getan oscar or have like a top
Gun Maverick like huge hit, somethingwhere everybody's like talking about him. I'd
like him to like kind of scalethe Mountain one last time. It doesn't
quite look like Dial of Destiny.You know, we're recording this a few
weeks before it comes out, andthe buzz on it right now is pretty
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moderate at best, so it doesn'tquite seem like this is going to be
that. But I was really hopingDial of Destiny was going to be that.
People were gonna be like, whoa, this is the Indiana Jones I've
been waiting for since, like LastCrusade, another round, you know,
another romp, another romp. Youcould argue it should have probably ended with
Last Crusade Crystal Skull, all right, but necessary. I don't know.
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I'm with you. There's something reallybeautiful about just a nice, solid trilogy,
right, I agree, And thatwas a good trilogy, regardless of
how you felt about any one ofthose individual movies. It was a good
trilogy. Him and his Prime.We talked about this all the time.
Why revisit it? Why keep goingback to the well when you can just
just create something new. You gotto get that cheddar And that's why they
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keep going back. The funny thingis the Indiana Jones formula seems super easy
to replicate, right, globe trotyou find all these mysteries. Nobody does
it very well, you know whatI mean. They've tried it time and
time again. We just recently hadlike that uncharted that was trying to be
that tried to capture that like tonewhere it's kind of like comical. Sometimes
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it's like slightly supernatural. You're growingon these adventures. You're like, globe
trotting seems super easy to kind ofdo that, incredibly hard. People have
tried for decades to like capture thatand redo that, and it's just failed
time and time again. Sometimes they'vebeen like semi successful, like a National
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Treasure or something like that, butit's just really hard to do that.
I'm even for Indiana Jones. Ithink it's really hard to do that.
Yeah, the first thing that comesto mind is National Treasure or Lara Croft
tomb Raider, you know, whichin and of themselves, Yeah, they
were successful. Tomb Raider built offof a video game, or National Treasure,
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which is not built off anything butNick cagees back and the Dollar Bill,
the mysteries of the Dollar Bill,the Illuminati basically right, yeah,
and the Constitution. But Indiana Jonesis just the thing that people will talk
about for generations. I think thatcharacter just will live on. If you
taint that with a bunch of well, you know, that other trilogy,
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the second trilogy, you know,not so great. You know, it's
just like a brand. You're tarnishingit a little bit, you know what
I mean. It muddies the watersa little bit, did you you know?
Before we kind of move on andget to the actual show, one
last question. When you were akid at all, did you own or
ever want to own an Indiana Joneshat? Didn't every kid want to have
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a whip and a hat and alittle satchel he would carry. He was
just cool, you know, yeah, definitely. I know one time I
found like this really probably like anold man's hat, but I convinced myself
it was like close enough to anIndiana Jones hat that I was like,
I gotta get this. If Ilook back on it now, it's probably
like nothing like an Indiana Jones hat. But to me, I could put
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it on and I'm like, prettymuch there, I'm pretty much him.
Was that playing pretend or during COVID? That's amazing, That's amazing. Yeah,
I wish I still had it.I'd put it on right now.
What are we talking about today,Patrick? What are we doing here?
Well, today's episode it's all aboutHarrison Ford, Harry. Nobody calls him
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that but his best friends, whichwe are, of course. And why
are we doing that? Well,we just alluded to that valve destiny.
It's really important to have this episodeto document Harrison Ford in this moment,
like a time capsule that'll live onforever. Yeah, that one day someone
will be combing through the cobwebs ofa cavern to find the episode that have
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like a satchel full of sand,and they'll have to trade the episode on
a little pedestal and they'll put thelittle satchel on there, and then a
giant bowlder will come and roll downand they'll have to run as fast as
they can to get out of thecavern and they won't make it, they'll
die, but it'll be worth it. It'll be worth it, every last
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crushing bone worth it, bloody mile. Archeology is the search for facts,
not truth anyway. So Harrison Fordis everywhere lately. He's made this big
career resurgence from sort of obscurity,like he I don't know where he was
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for a while. Yeah, hewas just kind of sitting back, I
think, working a lot less.And now all of and he's stepped back
into the limelight. Two TV shows, two big movies announced coming up with
Dala Destiny and a Marvel movie.So he's really stepped back into it.
He says, don't forget about me. I'm coming back, and I'm coming
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back in a big way. Thoughtit'd be a good time to explore his
career and look back on the decadesof work, a lot of work,
a lot of movies. This guy'sgiven us. A good place to start
is to look at some of hisbox office numbers over the years. So,
according to the website, the numbersin thirty seven leading roles. Prior
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to Dial of Destiny, Ford's filmshave earned over three point five billion dollars
at the domestic box office. Additionally, four films where he appeared in supporting
roles have earned over one point onebillion. So this guy, he's made
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a lot of money at the boxoffice over the years. Now, I'm
gonna give you two different lists ofnumbers here. This is kind of a
tale of two careers, right.Here's the top five Harrison Ford movies at
the domestic box office adjusted for inflation. Number one, not surprising, Star
Wars one point six billion. Numbertwo, another Star Wars movie, The
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Force Awakens nine hundred and ninety milliondollars. Number three, another Star Wars
movie, The Empire Strikes Back eighthundred and ninety nine million dollars. Number
four, This is Surprise, anotherStar Wars movie, Return of the Jedi
eight hundred and sixty two million dollars. And then coming in at number five,
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gut Indiana Jones Raiders of the LostDark eight hundred eleven million dollars.
So remember this is adjusted four inflation. So this is taking the nineteen eighty
grosses and movieing it up to Now. Now let's take a look at another
list. This is the top fivenon Star Wars or Indiana Jones Harrison Ford
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movies at the domestic box office,also adjusted for inflation. Number one.
Now we have American Graffiti came outin the seventies six hundred one million.
Number two. From the nineties,we've got The Fugitive four hundred and seven
million. Number three. He onlyhad a small part in this one,
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but he was in it. ApocalypseNow three hundred and sixty five million.
Number four, another nineties Classic AirForce one three hundred and forty five million,
and finally a Tom Clancy property,Clear and Present Danger two hundred and
seventy four million dollars. So interestingto see the two lists. You know,
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we all know, we remember mostfly associate Harrison Ford with Star Wars
and Indiana Jones, but he alsohas made a lot of other movies,
many of them big hits too,not quite as big as those of franchise
staples though, so he's considered asupporting actor in Star Wars correct, not
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the originals but the new ones.Okay, okay. I was wondering about
that because you know, there's somany characters in those Star Wars, because
like Indiana Jones, he's clearly thelead. But in the Star Wars,
is he the lead or is sayhe's a lead. Yeah, yeah,
yeah, a co lead maybe goodclarity. I would say it's safe to
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say he had a bit of ahiatus or like where he wasn't doing a
lot of films. You know.I feel like today we're seeing him in
a lot of things simultaneously. Nineteentwenty three, the show Shrinking Shrinking,
another streaming show. He's going tobe in the next Captain America. He's
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Indiana Jones. I mean, he'sdefinitely working hard right now. You could
see it. Yeah, the pastten years I think had been pretty dry
compared to the amount of movies hewas churning out before them. That leads
us well into our next section.There was this period of time, I
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would say for a lot of theeighties and nineties where Ford probably one of,
if not the biggest star in Hollywood, and he was mentioned with a
lot of the good scripts out there, most of the big projects. That
was kind of his level of starpower. He was almost associated with everything.
That being the case, there's alot of rumored movies that they say
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either he was offered or he turneddown, or he was almost in.
Whether that's true, we don't know, we weren't there, but interesting to
think about some possible alternate movie realitiesfor Harrison Ford. I'm going to read
off a list found of the alwaysreliable sources online of potential movies that Ford
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is rumored to have passed on.Let me go through this real quick,
Alien, Beverly Hills Cop, BigDiehard, Who Framed Roger, Rabbit,
Ghost Misery, Cape Fear, JFK, Jurassic Park, Outbreak, Saving Private
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Ryan, Runaway, Bride, ThePatriot, The Perfect Storm, A lot
of big movies, a lot ofclassic movies on that list. Any of
those movies can you picture Harrison Fordin or you think would have even been
better with Harrison Ford in them?So, okay, Beverly Hills Cop,
that's very misleading. This movie isn'tthe same without Eddie Murphy, so it
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can't be the leading role. Well, if you know the history of that
movie, that movie was originally supposedto be a Sylvester Stallone movie. Okay,
I didn't know, but it's notthat movie with anybody but Eddie Murphy.
So if you're looking at the rolesof the way we know it to
exist, not in the multiverse ofexistence, he could probably be like that
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older, more mature police officer Taggart. That's actually John Ashton, not Judge
Reinholdz. But he would have beenway too famous at that point for that
part. Maybe. But I thinkhe could have played that part. He
could play that no fluff, nofrills kind of cop, because that's what
Taggart was, right. He waslike, stop being such a dummy,
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you know, to the other youngerpolice. Feel like he's played that cop
like five times, right, yeah, yeah, but it's more in a
comedic role kind of, but notreally, because that's the beauty of Beverly
Hill's cops. It's kind of actionkind of comedy. Ghost. Who would
have you have been in this movie? He's Swayze. No, I can't
imagine him his Swayze's character. Imean he was about thirty six. Patrick
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Swayze was about thirty six the timeof Ghost. Ford was roughly eleven years
older at forty eight. That wouldhave been weird. I think, assuming
that Demi Moore was the lead actress, I think that would have been a
weird kind of pair up. Idon't think there would have been like chemistry
between those two. I agree withthat, but I'm not I'm not totally
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against that. One really know ifi'm I can kind of see Harrison Ford
doing all right in that part.Obviously that was peak swayzy. Can you
see that doing that bowl scene?A lot of the romance stuff, I
can't necessarily see him being, butI could kind of see him ghosting,
you know, like doing some ofthe other parts of that movie. I
don't want to see it, butI could see him maybe playing his buddy
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who's the villain. I could kindof see that a little bit. Yeah,
yeah, I could see that too. I could also see Ford,
you know, shirt off. Hewas a good He was a good muscled
guy. He could be there withdoing like you know, yeah, I'm
not I'm not. I'm not sayingthinghis physique. It's more of like it
would just be weird the ideas,like once you see something and you picture
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a character with a certain actor,you just can't unsee it. He had
good, like chemistry with the femaleleads in Indiana Jones and Star Wars,
but the romantic movies I feel likehe tried to do that didn't play super
well. I don't know if youhad like a super tender on screen persona,
you know what I mean. Yeah, No, I totally get that
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you talk too much, you're opinionated, you're stubborn, sarcastic. Jurassic Park.
If he's playing Sam Neil's character,you know, the Grant, doctor
Grant or whatever. I think thatcould have worked. That's an interesting one.
He would have been like a reallygood star for that movie. I
also picture him looking at dinosaurs.I feel like his reaction would be like,
what a bunch of bullshit? Youknow what I mean? Yeah,
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you're an actor. You gotta sellit, you know that's your Yeah?
Yeah, what about outbreak? Wouldhe be thus In hoff Dustin Hoffman.
I am always assuming in these movies. He's like the main guy, right.
Yeah. It's weird because there's acouple of these Tom Hanks movies like
Saving Private Ryan and Big. Icannot see him in Big. No.
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Here's an interesting thing about Big.I found out recently too. Originally Robert
de Niro line for that role.Yeah, imagine that. That is awful.
That's awful casting, and you shouldbe fired. I'm big. I
used to be small. Now I'mbig bad, right, Yeah, you
think of like the childlikeness of Hanksand Big. I just cannot in any
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way imagine Harrison Ford even one wantingto do that, attempting to do that
or successfully like pulling that off.But I could see him saving Private Ryan.
I could see him in Yeah,saving Private Ryan or maybe the perfect
Storm. Is he George Clooney's characterin that? Like maybe that I think
he could have pulled that off.But yeah, I thought he would have
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been good in that one. Thatone also stuck out to me. Another
one I think he actually would havebeen pretty good in because of kind of
his like cranky persona, which couldalso be pretty funny sometimes. Is who
framed Roger Rabbit. I know Ijust talked about him like struggling to interact
with CGI dinosaurs, but I feellike him interacting with cartoons and being like
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I hate this rabbit, you know, while playing kind of like a hard
edged whatever nineteen twenties cop. Ikind of see that. I thought that
could be kind of funny. Ididn't even think about that, but yeah,
that could have been that could haveworked. What do you think about
Ford in die Hard? No,No, doesn't do it. I can't
picture it. Something about that movieBruce Willis one, he had like a
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charm to him, also had acomedic side, and I think as an
action star. It sort of workedfor him, and I think Harrison Ford
does have that element to him,but it's different. It's totally different.
Yeah, I thought the same thing. And Bruce us a little more like
working class, a little like dirtyor you know what I mean. Like
Harrison Ford, you see him indie Hard, you know this guy's gonna
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get out of it. Bruce Willisa little more like, I don't know
if this guy's gonna you know.Yeah, he's like a little more normal.
It was like a perfect fit forthat. Flip side of that is
I'd like tried to imagine. I'mlike, could Bruce Willis ever play like
Indiana Jones? And I'm like,I don't see that at all. It's
true. He also would not havebeen great as on solo. Now now
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when you try to picture it,you're like, this, he just doesn't
fit here, right, Yeah,And I mean that's a testament to casting,
right, is like those people havean insane responsibility because it gets overlooked
by the audience. It's like youjust assume that this is the way it's
supposed to be, this movie wasmade for this person, but that's not
the case, right, Yeah,let me just tell you. I was
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thinking, what about No Country forOld Men two thousand and seven, Maybe
that Tommy Lee Jones character, thesheriff ed tom Bell. I think he
could have played that character. Yeah, No, I think he would have
been really good in that part.I think that would have been a good
part for him. Also Jaws innineteen seventy five, What about Roy Scheider's
character, because he would have beenpretty young, so he could have played
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Brody. I think he could haveplayed Brody really well. That's an interesting
one. I try to think ofhim at that time, and again I
go back to is he like toostrong of a presence? You know Brodie's
there's like a little bit of likefear and anxiety to that character. Ford
would have brought something different, wouldI have been like us, guy's got
a handle? But it was likebefore Ford became yeah, you know with
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the guy we know, So Idon't know, maybe that'd be different.
But that's an interesting one. Here'sanother one, kind of off the beaten
path, The Usual Suspects nineteen eightyfive. Not Kevin Spacey. I don't
think he could have pulled that off, but maybe like Gabriel Burns character,
ke okay, Yeah, yeah,Yeah, these are the kind of parts
like I think he could like kindof excel at where you're kind of like
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the lead is all right, butkind of bland, you know what I
mean, where Ford could bring somethingextra to it. Yeah. I was
trying to think of movies that sortof fit his stature. Yeah, those
are good ones. I like this. It's tough because, like we said,
you see that role, you seethat actor, you see that movie,
and you're like associate the character withthe actor. That's what makes it
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so difficult about the Marvel movies.Wolverine. People cannot imagine another Wolverine Hugh
Jackman is it, Like, They'relike, no, no, I know,
it has to we have to keepbringing them back. Yeah. Superman
people had a really hard time gettingover like Christopher Reeves was the ultimate Superman
and for many they're like, they'llnever make another Superman movie. You know,
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of course they yeah, because yeah, but not like they made those.
They haven't been I don't think assuccessful and as like being like that
Superman. Yeah. It's a funexploration though, when you're trying to think
about could this actor play that roleor would they have been good in it?
So our next segment of the show, Shad, we're calling it Ford
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Picks Ford Picks. Each of usare going to pick one non Star Wars
or Indiana Jones Ford movie to discuss. And I think this is going to
be fun. I think so too. I'm interested to hear what you picked.
So for my movie, I pickedIndiana Jones and The Kingdom of the
Crystal Skull. You cheater. SoI'll tell you I was in between two
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and I wanted to go with somethinga little off the beaten path. Here's
a lot of movies. I mean, we already talked about. You know,
it's like thirty seven movies where he'skind of the lead, but even
you go back through some of them, a lot of not great movies too,
you know what I mean, Yeah, a lot of kind of forgettable
movies, especially from like the laterhalf of the nineties two thousands. He
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was just still kind of churning themout, but they weren't great. So
when you look at the full career, you're like, and I think if
you look at like Nicholas k Ageor like a Bruce Willis or a lot
of actors, you kind of seethis too. You're like, I remember
him for making such great movies becauseyou remember the big ones. As like
Michael Jordan said, people don't rememberthe shots you miss. There are a
lot of miss shots in here.The first one I landed on I think
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a lot of people kind of areaware of, which is Blade Runner twenty
forty nine. I think that's Ford'sbest performance he's done probably in the two
thousands. I thought he was reallyreally good, and it seemed like he
was all in. It's kind oflike you see with Robert de Niro or
some of these older actors. Alot of times they're just kind of like
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phoning it in, but every oncein a while they're like you could tell
they're really into a part. They'relike, I'm I'm gonna dive into this
character like I used to. ButI think mostly people are kind of onto
that movie. So I was like, I'm gonna I'm gonna go with something
else. So the other movie thatpopped into my mind was twenty eleven's Cowboys
and Aliens. Of course, haveyou how do you know that you didn't
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know that I did? I knew, I knew instantly. No, you
didn't know what I know? You? I know nobody on Earth would ever
know anybody was gonna pick Cowboys andAliens. No, I knew it.
I knew you've seen Cowboys and Aliens, right. I have this on Blu
Ray. Actually, oh really,I don't know why I bought it on
Blu Ray because it's really not thatgood of a movie. But yeah,
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um I looked at the like statsonline and they're like one Blu Ray copy
was sold. Oh I'm sure,I'm sure of it. But you know,
it's entertaining. It is. It'san entertaining movie, and it's so
weird, bizarre of a concept.I think that's what makes it a fun
movie to watch, because it's justweird. It's a type of what you
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would call a cable movie. Now, I'd call it a Pluto movie.
You know, something you catch onone of those where you're like, I'm
gonna keep watching this. I don'tknow why. Even when I first watched
it, I'm like, this isgonna be good. It's got a really
good cast, yeah, an interestingpremis And then when you watch it,
you're immediately like, why isn't thisbetter? You know, this should definitely
be better, but it's still gotenough entertainment that you're kind of pulled in
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by it, and Ford is prettygood in it. He seems to be
having a good time. He's kindof like playing it up. He's in
nineteen twenty three, but he probablyshould have had more Western movies in his
career, you know. He kindof like fits that genre pretty well in
this movie. He plays a sortof grumpy cattle baron named Colonel Woodrow Dollar
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Hide, which, next to IndianaJones, is probably his best character name
ever. Yeah, but what's goingon and kind of the Western part of
it, even if it's a littleplayed up, is pretty entertaining, and
Ford seems to be having a goodtime with this character. It had all
the ingredients. It had the cast, it had the name, which was
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I think part of the selling point. It's going back to a unique idea.
Yeah, even as bizarre as thatsounds, cowboys versus aliens, that's
kind of what makes it fun andat track. Yeah, you know,
aliens in the Old West, howis that possible? Yeah. There's also
a great scene at one point whereHarrison Ford is told that the aliens want
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gold and he responds like in areally disgusted, angry voice, Well,
that's just ridiculous. Laugh it upfuzzball, which sounds like Harrison Ford.
Yeah, which sounds like exactly howHarrison Ford would respond when he was told
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that line is in the script.Yeah. He's like, can I just
add lib that? And they're like, yeah, go ahead, don't worry.
I got a response. That's avery good pick. I had a
very clear winner. I don't knowif it's off the beaten path necessarily,
but this is from nineteen ninety oneregarding Henry did you ever say this movie.
I've seen parts of this movie.I picked it. I picked it.
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I don't even care. I don'tcare if you don't like it.
This is where Harrison Ford gets shotand becomes kind of like a child.
Yeah. This is an awesome descriptionof this movie from IMDb, written by
Denny Gibbons. Henry Turner, whois Harrison Ford's character, is a despicable
I also love that he uses despicablewords never used enough. Henry Turner is
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a despicable and ruthless trial lawyer whoselife is turned upside down when he is
shot in the head during a robbery. He survives with significant brain damage and
must relearn how to speak, walk, in function normally. He has also
lost most of his memory of hispersonal life and must adjust a life with
the family that he does not remember. To the surprise of his wife and
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daughter, he becomes a loving andaffectionate man this movie. I'm just gonna
say, I remember loving this moviebecause gave me the feels. I think
Harrison Ford really sold this part,did a really good job in it.
I mean, it was a differenttype of role for him. You know,
he plays this fragile character, whichwas again very different than his other
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roles. Fun fact for all ourmovie buffs out there, This movie I
did not know was written by jjAbrams Oh no way. Yeah, and
he also stars as the delivery boyin it. I believe it was his
second movie, the first being TakingCare of Business with Jim Belushi in nineteen
ninety. Isn't that crazy? JjAbrams wrote this, No way, it
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is crazy and not what you wouldexpect. But an interesting little factoid for
everybody out there. Yeah, thiscame in the period where similar to like
Tom Cruise had this period where it'slike, I'm going to prove to people
I'm a real actor. I'm goingto take like more challenging parts. You've
got an Academy Award nomination for Witnessthan he was in The Mosquito Coast Frantic
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Working Girl presumed in a say,and these are like more dramas and like
challenging parts from like eighty five tolike ninety one. Before he picks up
like Patriot Games, the fugitive startsdoing like the Jack Ryan rolls. But
he was really like pushing and showingpeople. I'm serious. Yeah, yeah,
I mean it is a pretty goodstory of this guy and his like
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sort of transformation, you know,to be a good person. The trailer
is good for this. How hishair changes, that was one of the
most significant things. When he's thegreedy guy, he's got like gelled hair.
Yeah, and when he's like childlike, you know, it's like it's
like bangs. They disheveled him.You know, he's relearning the life.
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He's the learning life, and he'sbetter for it. You were such a
jerk before, and now you're anice person. Now we're regarding you in
a better way. I like thatyou picked it though. It's a good
choice. I like that we haveregarding Henry and cowboys and aliens living together.
Yeah, you know, anything's possible, And I will say of this
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movie, I wish it would takethe shots like this. You know,
It's the same thing I say aboutCruise. I wish you would still like
take more of those kind of likeoff the wall shots as opposed to just
be like, let's make another missionimpossible, let's do another Indiana Jones.
I think watching forward on like Shrinkingis kind of interesting versus you know,
some of this other stuff where you'vekind of just see him do it before.
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I think that's some of his bestwork so far as actually in Shrinking,
I think he's doing some great actingin that he has a little bit
of that vulnerability, a little bitof this like hippie dippy kind of yeah
yeah, which is something you've neverreally seen him bring out that kind of
comedy. Even when he has donecomedy, it's usually like in these shark
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quips, you know, yeah yeah. And I think maybe that's the longer
television format he has a little bitof room to breathe to be able to
like sort of build out that charactera little bit more versus like a movie
where you don't have as much time. Yeah. Interesting though, so I
think he's still got some room.He still could do some great work.
You can still surprise us. Ithink we did him justice. I think
so too. I think we didn'tplay any sort of patriot games. We
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witnessed his fine career, and wedidn't put ourselves in any sort of clear
or present danger. It's like you'vebeen planning that you could do that all
day with some of these titles.Well, come on, we don't need
an apocalypse now. Nice try,kid, But I think you just brought
a knife to a gunfight. AllI'm saying is he'll go to extraordinary measures
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to entertain us. You're crossing overand making me a little frantic, be
honest. Yeah, all right,Well, hopefully you've got a lot out
of the Ford picks that we hadfor you today, The Ford Fiesta,
if you will, the Ford Fiesta. Yeah, all right. Well that's
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it for this episode. Out ofmovies and marketing until next time. Let's
fade to black. I'll be back. He's not coming back.
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I've been shot nine times by yourfather. A sorry, probably been looking
for this, Oh my life.Let's talk about the elephant in the room.
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Dial of Destiny. Hm hm Areyou ready for it? Are you
excited for it? Do you thinkit's going to be the culmination of a
lifetime of dreams? We've talked aboutthis. I'm hopeful that it will encapsulate
my whole childhood into one movie.And really that starts and ends with Harrison
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Ford, which is who we're talkingabout today. Yeah, it's true.
I mean we are the Harrison Fordgeneration. He was pretty much. We
grew up with Star Wars, wegrew up with Indiana Jones. If you
came of age in the eighties,he was your guy. That's why I'd
like to see him have one lastyou know, some like a big moment,
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like I'd like to see him getan oscar or have like a top
Gun Maverick like huge hit, somethingwhere everybody's like talking about him. I'd
like him to like kind of scalethe Mountain one last time. It doesn't
quite look like Dial of Destiny.You know, we're recording this a few
weeks before it comes out, andthe buzz on it right now is pretty
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moderate at best, so it doesn'tquite seem like this is going to be
that. But I was really hopingDial of Destiny was going to be that.
People were gonna be like, whoa, this is the Indiana Jones I've
been waiting for since, like LastCrusade, another round, you know,
another romp, another romp. Youcould argue it should have probably ended with
Last Crusade Crystal Skull, all right, but necessary. I don't know.
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I'm with you. There's something reallybeautiful about just a nice, solid trilogy,
right, I agree, And thatwas a good trilogy, regardless of
how you felt about any one ofthose individual movies. It was a good
trilogy. Him and his Prime.We talked about this all the time.
Why revisit it? Why keep goingback to the well when you can just
just create something new. You gotto get that cheddar And that's why they
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keep going back. The funny thingis the Indiana Jones formula seems super easy
to replicate, right, globe trotyou find all these mysteries. Nobody does
it very well, you know whatI mean. They've tried it time and
time again. We just recently hadlike that uncharted that was trying to be
that tried to capture that like tonewhere it's kind of like comical. Sometimes
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it's like slightly supernatural. You're growingon these adventures. You're like, globe
trotting seems super easy to kind ofdo that, incredibly hard. People have
tried for decades to like capture thatand redo that, and it's just failed
time and time again. Sometimes they'vebeen like semi successful, like a National
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Treasure or something like that, butit's just really hard to do that.
I'm even for Indiana Jones. Ithink it's really hard to do that.
Yeah, the first thing that comesto mind is National Treasure or Lara Croft
tomb Raider, you know, whichin and of themselves, Yeah, they
were successful. Tomb Raider built offof a video game, or National Treasure,
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which is not built off anything butNick cagees back and the Dollar Bill,
the mysteries of the Dollar Bill,the Illuminati basically right, yeah,
and the Constitution. But Indiana Jonesis just the thing that people will talk
about for generations. I think thatcharacter just will live on. If you
taint that with a bunch of well, you know, that other trilogy,
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the second trilogy, you know,not so great. You know, it's
just like a brand. You're tarnishingit a little bit, you know what
I mean. It muddies the watersa little bit, did you you know?
Before we kind of move on andget to the actual show, one
last question. When you were akid at all, did you own or
ever want to own an Indiana Joneshat? Didn't every kid want to have
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a whip and a hat and alittle satchel he would carry. He was
just cool, you know, yeah, definitely. I know one time I
found like this really probably like anold man's hat, but I convinced myself
it was like close enough to anIndiana Jones hat that I was like,
I gotta get this. If Ilook back on it now, it's probably
like nothing like an Indiana Jones hat. But to me, I could put
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it on and I'm like, prettymuch there, I'm pretty much him.
Was that playing pretend or during COVID? That's amazing, That's amazing. Yeah,
I wish I still had it.I'd put it on right now.
What are we talking about today,Patrick? What are we doing here?
Well, today's episode it's all aboutHarrison Ford, Harry. Nobody calls him
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that but his best friends, whichwe are, of course. And why
are we doing that? Well,we just alluded to that valve destiny.
It's really important to have this episodeto document Harrison Ford in this moment,
like a time capsule that'll live onforever. Yeah, that one day someone
will be combing through the cobwebs ofa cavern to find the episode that have
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like a satchel full of sand,and they'll have to trade the episode on
a little pedestal and they'll put thelittle satchel on there, and then a
giant bowlder will come and roll downand they'll have to run as fast as
they can to get out of thecavern and they won't make it, they'll
die, but it'll be worth it. It'll be worth it, every last
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crushing bone worth it, bloody mile. Archeology is the search for facts,
not truth anyway. So Harrison Fordis everywhere lately. He's made this big
career resurgence from sort of obscurity,like he I don't know where he was
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for a while. Yeah, hewas just kind of sitting back, I
think, working a lot less.And now all of and he's stepped back
into the limelight. Two TV shows, two big movies announced coming up with
Dala Destiny and a Marvel movie.So he's really stepped back into it.
He says, don't forget about me. I'm coming back, and I'm coming
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back in a big way. Thoughtit'd be a good time to explore his
career and look back on the decadesof work, a lot of work,
a lot of movies. This guy'sgiven us. A good place to start
is to look at some of hisbox office numbers over the years. So,
according to the website, the numbersin thirty seven leading roles. Prior
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to Dial of Destiny, Ford's filmshave earned over three point five billion dollars
at the domestic box office. Additionally, four films where he appeared in supporting
roles have earned over one point onebillion. So this guy, he's made
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a lot of money at the boxoffice over the years. Now, I'm
gonna give you two different lists ofnumbers here. This is kind of a
tale of two careers, right.Here's the top five Harrison Ford movies at
the domestic box office adjusted for inflation. Number one, not surprising, Star
Wars one point six billion. Numbertwo, another Star Wars movie, The
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Force Awakens nine hundred and ninety milliondollars. Number three, another Star Wars
movie, The Empire Strikes Back eighthundred and ninety nine million dollars. Number
four, This is Surprise, anotherStar Wars movie, Return of the Jedi
eight hundred and sixty two million dollars. And then coming in at number five,
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gut Indiana Jones Raiders of the LostDark eight hundred eleven million dollars.
So remember this is adjusted four inflation. So this is taking the nineteen eighty
grosses and movieing it up to Now. Now let's take a look at another
list. This is the top fivenon Star Wars or Indiana Jones Harrison Ford
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movies at the domestic box office,also adjusted for inflation. Number one.
Now we have American Graffiti came outin the seventies six hundred one million.
Number two. From the nineties,we've got The Fugitive four hundred and seven
million. Number three. He onlyhad a small part in this one,
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but he was in it. ApocalypseNow three hundred and sixty five million.
Number four, another nineties Classic AirForce one three hundred and forty five million,
and finally a Tom Clancy property,Clear and Present Danger two hundred and
seventy four million dollars. So interestingto see the two lists. You know,
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we all know, we remember mostfly associate Harrison Ford with Star Wars
and Indiana Jones, but he alsohas made a lot of other movies,
many of them big hits too,not quite as big as those of franchise
staples though, so he's considered asupporting actor in Star Wars correct, not
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the originals but the new ones.Okay, okay. I was wondering about
that because you know, there's somany characters in those Star Wars, because
like Indiana Jones, he's clearly thelead. But in the Star Wars,
is he the lead or is sayhe's a lead. Yeah, yeah,
yeah, a co lead maybe goodclarity. I would say it's safe to
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say he had a bit of ahiatus or like where he wasn't doing a
lot of films. You know.I feel like today we're seeing him in
a lot of things simultaneously. Nineteentwenty three, the show Shrinking Shrinking,
another streaming show. He's going tobe in the next Captain America. He's
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Indiana Jones. I mean, he'sdefinitely working hard right now. You could
see it. Yeah, the pastten years I think had been pretty dry
compared to the amount of movies hewas churning out before them. That leads
us well into our next section.There was this period of time, I
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would say for a lot of theeighties and nineties where Ford probably one of,
if not the biggest star in Hollywood, and he was mentioned with a
lot of the good scripts out there, most of the big projects. That
was kind of his level of starpower. He was almost associated with everything.
That being the case, there's alot of rumored movies that they say
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either he was offered or he turneddown, or he was almost in.
Whether that's true, we don't know, we weren't there, but interesting to
think about some possible alternate movie realitiesfor Harrison Ford. I'm going to read
off a list found of the alwaysreliable sources online of potential movies that Ford
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is rumored to have passed on.Let me go through this real quick,
Alien, Beverly Hills Cop, BigDiehard, Who Framed Roger, Rabbit,
Ghost Misery, Cape Fear, JFK, Jurassic Park, Outbreak, Saving Private
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Ryan, Runaway, Bride, ThePatriot, The Perfect Storm, A lot
of big movies, a lot ofclassic movies on that list. Any of
those movies can you picture Harrison Fordin or you think would have even been
better with Harrison Ford in them?So, okay, Beverly Hills Cop,
that's very misleading. This movie isn'tthe same without Eddie Murphy, so it
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can't be the leading role. Well, if you know the history of that
movie, that movie was originally supposedto be a Sylvester Stallone movie. Okay,
I didn't know, but it's notthat movie with anybody but Eddie Murphy.
So if you're looking at the rolesof the way we know it to
exist, not in the multiverse ofexistence, he could probably be like that
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older, more mature police officer Taggart. That's actually John Ashton, not Judge
Reinholdz. But he would have beenway too famous at that point for that
part. Maybe. But I thinkhe could have played that part. He
could play that no fluff, nofrills kind of cop, because that's what
Taggart was, right. He waslike, stop being such a dummy,
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you know, to the other youngerpolice. Feel like he's played that cop
like five times, right, yeah, yeah, but it's more in a
comedic role kind of, but notreally, because that's the beauty of Beverly
Hill's cops. It's kind of actionkind of comedy. Ghost. Who would
have you have been in this movie? He's Swayze. No, I can't
imagine him his Swayze's character. Imean he was about thirty six. Patrick
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Swayze was about thirty six the timeof Ghost. Ford was roughly eleven years
older at forty eight. That wouldhave been weird. I think, assuming
that Demi Moore was the lead actress, I think that would have been a
weird kind of pair up. Idon't think there would have been like chemistry
between those two. I agree withthat, but I'm not I'm not totally
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against that. One really know ifi'm I can kind of see Harrison Ford
doing all right in that part.Obviously that was peak swayzy. Can you
see that doing that bowl scene?A lot of the romance stuff, I
can't necessarily see him being, butI could kind of see him ghosting,
you know, like doing some ofthe other parts of that movie. I
don't want to see it, butI could see him maybe playing his buddy
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who's the villain. I could kindof see that a little bit. Yeah,
yeah, I could see that too. I could also see Ford,
you know, shirt off. Hewas a good He was a good muscled
guy. He could be there withdoing like you know, yeah, I'm
not I'm not. I'm not sayingthinghis physique. It's more of like it
would just be weird the ideas,like once you see something and you picture
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a character with a certain actor,you just can't unsee it. He had
good, like chemistry with the femaleleads in Indiana Jones and Star Wars,
but the romantic movies I feel likehe tried to do that didn't play super
well. I don't know if youhad like a super tender on screen persona,
you know what I mean. Yeah, No, I totally get that
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you talk too much, you're opinionated, you're stubborn, sarcastic. Jurassic Park.
If he's playing Sam Neil's character,you know, the Grant, doctor
Grant or whatever. I think thatcould have worked. That's an interesting one.
He would have been like a reallygood star for that movie. I
also picture him looking at dinosaurs.I feel like his reaction would be like,
what a bunch of bullshit? Youknow what I mean? Yeah,
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you're an actor. You gotta sellit, you know that's your Yeah?
Yeah, what about outbreak? Wouldhe be thus In hoff Dustin Hoffman.
I am always assuming in these movies. He's like the main guy, right.
Yeah. It's weird because there's acouple of these Tom Hanks movies like
Saving Private Ryan and Big. Icannot see him in Big. No.
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Here's an interesting thing about Big.I found out recently too. Originally Robert
de Niro line for that role.Yeah, imagine that. That is awful.
That's awful casting, and you shouldbe fired. I'm big. I
used to be small. Now I'mbig bad, right, Yeah, you
think of like the childlikeness of Hanksand Big. I just cannot in any
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way imagine Harrison Ford even one wantingto do that, attempting to do that
or successfully like pulling that off.But I could see him saving Private Ryan.
I could see him in Yeah,saving Private Ryan or maybe the perfect
Storm. Is he George Clooney's characterin that? Like maybe that I think
he could have pulled that off.But yeah, I thought he would have
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been good in that one. Thatone also stuck out to me. Another
one I think he actually would havebeen pretty good in because of kind of
his like cranky persona, which couldalso be pretty funny sometimes. Is who
framed Roger Rabbit. I know Ijust talked about him like struggling to interact
with CGI dinosaurs, but I feellike him interacting with cartoons and being like
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I hate this rabbit, you know, while playing kind of like a hard
edged whatever nineteen twenties cop. Ikind of see that. I thought that
could be kind of funny. Ididn't even think about that, but yeah,
that could have been that could haveworked. What do you think about
Ford in die Hard? No,No, doesn't do it. I can't
picture it. Something about that movieBruce Willis one, he had like a
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charm to him, also had acomedic side, and I think as an
action star. It sort of workedfor him, and I think Harrison Ford
does have that element to him,but it's different. It's totally different.
Yeah, I thought the same thing. And Bruce us a little more like
working class, a little like dirtyor you know what I mean. Like
Harrison Ford, you see him indie Hard, you know this guy's gonna
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get out of it. Bruce Willisa little more like, I don't know
if this guy's gonna you know.Yeah, he's like a little more normal.
It was like a perfect fit forthat. Flip side of that is
I'd like tried to imagine. I'mlike, could Bruce Willis ever play like
Indiana Jones? And I'm like,I don't see that at all. It's
true. He also would not havebeen great as on solo. Now now
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when you try to picture it,you're like, this, he just doesn't
fit here, right, Yeah,And I mean that's a testament to casting,
right, is like those people havean insane responsibility because it gets overlooked
by the audience. It's like youjust assume that this is the way it's
supposed to be, this movie wasmade for this person, but that's not
the case, right, Yeah,let me just tell you. I was
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thinking, what about No Country forOld Men two thousand and seven, Maybe
that Tommy Lee Jones character, thesheriff ed tom Bell. I think he
could have played that character. Yeah, No, I think he would have
been really good in that part.I think that would have been a good
part for him. Also Jaws innineteen seventy five, What about Roy Scheider's
character, because he would have beenpretty young, so he could have played
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Brody. I think he could haveplayed Brody really well. That's an interesting
one. I try to think ofhim at that time, and again I
go back to is he like toostrong of a presence? You know Brodie's
there's like a little bit of likefear and anxiety to that character. Ford
would have brought something different, wouldI have been like us, guy's got
a handle? But it was likebefore Ford became yeah, you know with
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the guy we know, So Idon't know, maybe that'd be different.
But that's an interesting one. Here'sanother one, kind of off the beaten
path, The Usual Suspects nineteen eightyfive. Not Kevin Spacey. I don't
think he could have pulled that off, but maybe like Gabriel Burns character,
ke okay, Yeah, yeah,Yeah, these are the kind of parts
like I think he could like kindof excel at where you're kind of like
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the lead is all right, butkind of bland, you know what I
mean, where Ford could bring somethingextra to it. Yeah. I was
trying to think of movies that sortof fit his stature. Yeah, those
are good ones. I like this. It's tough because, like we said,
you see that role, you seethat actor, you see that movie,
and you're like associate the character withthe actor. That's what makes it
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so difficult about the Marvel movies.Wolverine. People cannot imagine another Wolverine Hugh
Jackman is it, Like, They'relike, no, no, I know,
it has to we have to keepbringing them back. Yeah. Superman
people had a really hard time gettingover like Christopher Reeves was the ultimate Superman
and for many they're like, they'llnever make another Superman movie. You know,
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of course they yeah, because yeah, but not like they made those.
They haven't been I don't think assuccessful and as like being like that
Superman. Yeah. It's a funexploration though, when you're trying to think
about could this actor play that roleor would they have been good in it?
So our next segment of the show, Shad, we're calling it Ford
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Picks Ford Picks. Each of usare going to pick one non Star Wars
or Indiana Jones Ford movie to discuss. And I think this is going to
be fun. I think so too. I'm interested to hear what you picked.
So for my movie, I pickedIndiana Jones and The Kingdom of the
Crystal Skull. You cheater. SoI'll tell you I was in between two
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and I wanted to go with somethinga little off the beaten path. Here's
a lot of movies. I mean, we already talked about. You know,
it's like thirty seven movies where he'skind of the lead, but even
you go back through some of them, a lot of not great movies too,
you know what I mean, Yeah, a lot of kind of forgettable
movies, especially from like the laterhalf of the nineties two thousands. He
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was just still kind of churning themout, but they weren't great. So
when you look at the full career, you're like, and I think if
you look at like Nicholas k Ageor like a Bruce Willis or a lot
of actors, you kind of seethis too. You're like, I remember
him for making such great movies becauseyou remember the big ones. As like
Michael Jordan said, people don't rememberthe shots you miss. There are a
lot of miss shots in here.The first one I landed on I think
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a lot of people kind of areaware of, which is Blade Runner twenty
forty nine. I think that's Ford'sbest performance he's done probably in the two
thousands. I thought he was reallyreally good, and it seemed like he
was all in. It's kind oflike you see with Robert de Niro or
some of these older actors. Alot of times they're just kind of like
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phoning it in, but every oncein a while they're like you could tell
they're really into a part. They'relike, I'm I'm gonna dive into this
character like I used to. ButI think mostly people are kind of onto
that movie. So I was like, I'm gonna I'm gonna go with something
else. So the other movie thatpopped into my mind was twenty eleven's Cowboys
and Aliens. Of course, haveyou how do you know that you didn't
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know that I did? I knew, I knew instantly. No, you
didn't know what I know? You? I know nobody on Earth would ever
know anybody was gonna pick Cowboys andAliens. No, I knew it.
I knew you've seen Cowboys and Aliens, right. I have this on Blu
Ray. Actually, oh really,I don't know why I bought it on
Blu Ray because it's really not thatgood of a movie. But yeah,
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um I looked at the like statsonline and they're like one Blu Ray copy
was sold. Oh I'm sure,I'm sure of it. But you know,
it's entertaining. It is. It'san entertaining movie, and it's so
weird, bizarre of a concept.I think that's what makes it a fun
movie to watch, because it's justweird. It's a type of what you
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would call a cable movie. Now, I'd call it a Pluto movie.
You know, something you catch onone of those where you're like, I'm
gonna keep watching this. I don'tknow why. Even when I first watched
it, I'm like, this isgonna be good. It's got a really
good cast, yeah, an interestingpremis And then when you watch it,
you're immediately like, why isn't thisbetter? You know, this should definitely
be better, but it's still gotenough entertainment that you're kind of pulled in
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by it, and Ford is prettygood in it. He seems to be
having a good time. He's kindof like playing it up. He's in
nineteen twenty three, but he probablyshould have had more Western movies in his
career, you know. He kindof like fits that genre pretty well in
this movie. He plays a sortof grumpy cattle baron named Colonel Woodrow Dollar
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Hide, which, next to IndianaJones, is probably his best character name
ever. Yeah, but what's goingon and kind of the Western part of
it, even if it's a littleplayed up, is pretty entertaining, and
Ford seems to be having a goodtime with this character. It had all
the ingredients. It had the cast, it had the name, which was
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I think part of the selling point. It's going back to a unique idea.
Yeah, even as bizarre as thatsounds, cowboys versus aliens, that's
kind of what makes it fun andat track. Yeah, you know,
aliens in the Old West, howis that possible? Yeah. There's also
a great scene at one point whereHarrison Ford is told that the aliens want
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gold and he responds like in areally disgusted, angry voice, Well,
that's just ridiculous. Laugh it upfuzzball, which sounds like Harrison Ford.
Yeah, which sounds like exactly howHarrison Ford would respond when he was told
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that line is in the script.Yeah. He's like, can I just
add lib that? And they're like, yeah, go ahead, don't worry.
I got a response. That's avery good pick. I had a
very clear winner. I don't knowif it's off the beaten path necessarily,
but this is from nineteen ninety oneregarding Henry did you ever say this movie.
I've seen parts of this movie.I picked it. I picked it.
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I don't even care. I don'tcare if you don't like it.
This is where Harrison Ford gets shotand becomes kind of like a child.
Yeah. This is an awesome descriptionof this movie from IMDb, written by
Denny Gibbons. Henry Turner, whois Harrison Ford's character, is a despicable
I also love that he uses despicablewords never used enough. Henry Turner is
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a despicable and ruthless trial lawyer whoselife is turned upside down when he is
shot in the head during a robbery. He survives with significant brain damage and
must relearn how to speak, walk, in function normally. He has also
lost most of his memory of hispersonal life and must adjust a life with
the family that he does not remember. To the surprise of his wife and
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daughter, he becomes a loving andaffectionate man this movie. I'm just gonna
say, I remember loving this moviebecause gave me the feels. I think
Harrison Ford really sold this part,did a really good job in it.
I mean, it was a differenttype of role for him. You know,
he plays this fragile character, whichwas again very different than his other
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roles. Fun fact for all ourmovie buffs out there, This movie I
did not know was written by jjAbrams Oh no way. Yeah, and
he also stars as the delivery boyin it. I believe it was his
second movie, the first being TakingCare of Business with Jim Belushi in nineteen
ninety. Isn't that crazy? JjAbrams wrote this, No way, it
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is crazy and not what you wouldexpect. But an interesting little factoid for
everybody out there. Yeah, thiscame in the period where similar to like
Tom Cruise had this period where it'slike, I'm going to prove to people
I'm a real actor. I'm goingto take like more challenging parts. You've
got an Academy Award nomination for Witnessthan he was in The Mosquito Coast Frantic
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Working Girl presumed in a say,and these are like more dramas and like
challenging parts from like eighty five tolike ninety one. Before he picks up
like Patriot Games, the fugitive startsdoing like the Jack Ryan rolls. But
he was really like pushing and showingpeople. I'm serious. Yeah, yeah,
I mean it is a pretty goodstory of this guy and his like
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sort of transformation, you know,to be a good person. The trailer
is good for this. How hishair changes, that was one of the
most significant things. When he's thegreedy guy, he's got like gelled hair.
Yeah, and when he's like childlike, you know, it's like it's
like bangs. They disheveled him.You know, he's relearning the life.
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He's the learning life, and he'sbetter for it. You were such a
jerk before, and now you're anice person. Now we're regarding you in
a better way. I like thatyou picked it though. It's a good
choice. I like that we haveregarding Henry and cowboys and aliens living together.
Yeah, you know, anything's possible, And I will say of this
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movie, I wish it would takethe shots like this. You know,
It's the same thing I say aboutCruise. I wish you would still like
take more of those kind of likeoff the wall shots as opposed to just
be like, let's make another missionimpossible, let's do another Indiana Jones.
I think watching forward on like Shrinkingis kind of interesting versus you know,
some of this other stuff where you'vekind of just see him do it before.
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I think that's some of his bestwork so far as actually in Shrinking,
I think he's doing some great actingin that he has a little bit
of that vulnerability, a little bitof this like hippie dippy kind of yeah
yeah, which is something you've neverreally seen him bring out that kind of
comedy. Even when he has donecomedy, it's usually like in these shark
(29:48):
quips, you know, yeah yeah. And I think maybe that's the longer
television format he has a little bitof room to breathe to be able to
like sort of build out that charactera little bit more versus like a movie
where you don't have as much time. Yeah. Interesting though, so I
think he's still got some room.He still could do some great work.
You can still surprise us. Ithink we did him justice. I think
so too. I think we didn'tplay any sort of patriot games. We
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witnessed his fine career, and wedidn't put ourselves in any sort of clear
or present danger. It's like you'vebeen planning that you could do that all
day with some of these titles.Well, come on, we don't need
an apocalypse now. Nice try,kid, But I think you just brought
a knife to a gunfight. AllI'm saying is he'll go to extraordinary measures
(30:38):
to entertain us. You're crossing overand making me a little frantic, be
honest. Yeah, all right,Well, hopefully you've got a lot out
of the Ford picks that we hadfor you today, The Ford Fiesta,
if you will, the Ford Fiesta. Yeah, all right. Well that's
(30:59):
it for this episode. Out ofmovies and marketing until next time. Let's
fade to black. I'll be back. He's not coming back.
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