NASA Faked The Moon Landing- Bart Sibrel

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
The film.

Speaker 2 (00:00):
It's for free on the homepage of sibrel dot com
and it includes that footage of them faking being halfway
to the Moon, which is what convinced me that they
really did fake the moon landing. And then the second reason,
people say, well, it must be realist that the Russians
or the Chinese would have blown the whistle. Well, that's
not true either, because I know someone who works in
the Chinese Space Agency and you can go to sibrel

(00:23):
dot com and watch the interview. They said, everybody there
knows the Moon missions are fake. They have pictures of
the landing sites with no linar module there, and they
are blackmailing the United States for technology that Congress forbid
them to officially receive. So they're getting this illegal. The

(00:44):
federal government is breaking their own Espionage Act and giving
it to the Chinese so that they won't blow the
whistle on the fact that the Moon missions are fake.

Speaker 1 (00:55):
Russia knows two.

Speaker 2 (00:56):
I mean I could have a picture of a ward
leader with the prostitute and uploaded the Internet and bring
them down and then the picture becomes worthless, or I
could blackmail them year after year after year. The fact
is China knows, and Russian knows. In fact, Putin in November,
I have a video. Go to sibrel dot com. It's
on the homepage. Putin is shown this amazing result that

(01:18):
only came out about six months ago. They had a
big convention about the latest AI equipment, and Google showed
up to show off the most advanced AI in the world,
their neural network multiple ais took together after a decade
of research a billion dollars of investment. They let people
play around with it for three days. One had to

(01:40):
write a symphony, one had to write a novel, and
one took advantage of its deep fake detection program that
has never been wrong and can tell you in one
second whether a video of Trump or Biden.

Speaker 1 (01:52):
Is real or not.

Speaker 2 (01:54):
They fed at pictures of the lunar surface from the
unmanned Chinese probes from twenty five fourteen. It said they're real.
Then it fed in pictures from the Apollo missions of
the Nixon administration. It said every single one of them
was fake, fake background, fake fore ground, fake this, fake that.
And if you try to find the original Russian article

(02:17):
of this disclosure that the smartest AI in the world
just said the Moon missions are fake. It says if
you click to proceed, all the data on your computer
will be stolen and you'll be associated with child pornography.
That's how desperate they are to cover up the fact.
So either Google's ten year of research and development, one

(02:38):
billion dollar investment produced the piece of jount they just
don't know what they're doing, or the Moon missions are fake.
And there's a video of Putin on sibrel dot com
receiving the information of the AI just concluded the Moon
missions are fake. He doesn't look surprised at all because
he already knows. In fact, he looks afraid that the

(02:59):
truth come out because he won't be at a blackmail
the United States anymore. So this is another reason for
the truth to come out. And you know, like I said, today,
with fifty years better technology, okay, fifty years better technology,
NASA can only send astronauts one thousandth the distance to
the Moon. So for the first time in history, technology

(03:22):
was greater in the past and in the future. But
that's scientifically impossible. Do you realize when they flew across
the Atlantic it was months later people flew across the
Atlantic when they broke the sound barrier it was months
later when another nation broke the sound barrier when they
split the atom. It was a couple of years later

(03:43):
before another nation split the atom. In fact, after the
first atomic bomb was exploded in nineteen forty five, they
ten years later atomic bombs were one thousand times more powerful.

Speaker 1 (03:58):
You see.

Speaker 2 (03:59):
So if they could go to the Moon on the
first attempt, when all of NASA had one millionth the
computing power of her cell phone, they would have been
on Mars ten years later. We'd be in another solar
system by now, and there'd be basis all over the Moon.
The fact is to land a rocket vertically today, which
is what they claimed they did fifty years ago. Elon

(04:21):
Musk had six hundred million times more computing power than
the lunar module. And the first time he tried to
land a rocket vertically, it blew up. The second time
it blew up, the third time it blew up, the fourth.

Speaker 1 (04:35):
Time it blew up.

Speaker 2 (04:37):
It took him five attempts to land a rocket vertically
with fifty years better technology. So he said also that
it's impossible to go to the Moon in a single rocket.
All the fuel that you need is simply to get
into Earth.

Speaker 1 (04:53):
Orbit.

Speaker 2 (04:54):
You're going to have to take eight fuel trips to
go to the moon. My film reveals that von Braun's
original publication, which he said, these numbers are irrefutably mathematical.

Speaker 1 (05:06):
You cannot go to the Moon in one rocket.

Speaker 2 (05:09):
You have to ferry up fuel and multiple trips to
go to the moon. Today, it's going to take multiple
fuel trips first. But somehow they can go to the
Moon in one rocket with nineteen sixties technology. Now, as
far as I know, light bulbs are brighter with the
less electricity, so it should take less fuel to go

(05:30):
to the Moon today, not more fuel if they really went.
And the fact is, the second part of the part
that you brought up, Bert is we do have an eyewitness.
Someone did come forward. And my book Moon Man, which
I read in audio or it's Enkindle or print at
sibrel dot com, which has seventeen interactive video links that
you can see there for free that back everything up.

(05:52):
A man who's dying and fearing the judgment of God
confess to being a murderer and he worked at Cannon
Air Force Space as the chief of security. The military
police came in because he killed a coworker another person
in the military. When they asked him why, he said,
because we both I witnessed them filming the fake moon

(06:14):
landing in nineteen sixty eight June first, second, and third,
and my friend thought it was morally wrong. He was
going to tell a reporter I killed him to cover
it up, and I pulled out of my own archives
a guy worked at NASA for six years an interview
I did twenty years ago. He said the fake moonlanding
was supervised by the United States Air Force, and it

(06:36):
was filmed at the United States Air Force Special Operations
Base and an Air Force base and Clovis, New Mexico,
where Cyrus Eugene Acres worked, who confessed to killing a
coworker to covering up the moon landing fraud. And I
print in my book a list of fifteen people who
were allowed in VIP visitors that President Johnson gave him

(07:00):
that he kept as a souvenir. I publish it in
the book, so we have the fact you can't have
greater technology in the past and in the future. We
have an eyewitness and my film A funny thing happened
on the way to the Moon that costs a million
dollars which was funded by someone who builds rockets for NASA,
who knows the Moon missions are fake. We show classified

(07:20):
footage of fake photography from the first mission of them
using a one foot model to simulate the Earth floating
in space, dated two days into the flight, with the
CIA telling them to fake a four second radio delay
to make it look like they're beyond Earth orbit. And
then we have a simple picture on the homepage of
sabrel dot com of shadows intersecting at ninety degrees from

(07:42):
objects five feet apart that they claim is on the Moon,
when shadows by sunlight would always be parallel and never intersect,
proving from a filmmaker and anybody else.

Speaker 1 (07:53):
It's taken with electrical light, which means they're on Earth.

Speaker 2 (07:57):
So there's the sad fact. There's the cob of truth,
not a colonel, you know, the all the cob of truth.

Speaker 3 (08:05):
I like that, the cob of truth.

Speaker 4 (08:07):
Well, okay, so first of all, yeah, so one of
the things since you brought up Elon Musk, I remember
Elon Musk saying, because I think.

Speaker 5 (08:18):
They were asking him about the Moon program and how
it stalled out right, and they were talking about the
technology and and somebody brought up the fact that our
technology today should be way better than it was back
in the nineteen fifties sixties, and his point was, well,

(08:39):
if they would have kept going, it would have been.
But they stopped and in beast, you know, technology doesn't
advance on its own. You have to pick it up
and keep moving the ball forward. But they lost their funding.
They didn't do it.

Speaker 3 (08:53):
And so when.

Speaker 2 (08:55):
Actually he didn't say that, he said the Apollo ability
to land on the Moon with one rocket when it's
going to take him eight to twenty four rockets to
do the same thing. He said, quote it's a historical
technological anomaly, meaning it's out of place, illogical, that's what

(09:15):
he said. So they can make every excuse under the
sun why technology is greater in the past and in
the future. But it's the only time that's the case
in the entire history of the world. In fact, there's
never been a time in the entire history of the
world where a new technology was intentionally destroyed. Because according

(09:36):
to NASA, it's one of the clips at sebrel dot com.
After they spent in today's dollars, two hundred and seventy
billion dollars to build the equipment that went to the
Moon so easily six times. They intentionally destroyed the hardware,
the schematics, the blueprints, the electrical diagrams, they destroyed it.
All that out of the mouth of a NASA employee.

(09:58):
They intentionally destroyed the Moon rocket technology. Now, wait a minute,
if you were going to destroy any technology, maybe you
might consider destroying the atomic bomb after World War Two,
But just ten years later, like I said, it's one
thousand times more explosive. So you would never destroy a

(10:21):
two hundred and seventy billion dollar investment. The B fifty
two bomber was made seventy years ago and there's still
two hundred of them in service because nothing works better.
You would never destroy a two hundred and seventy billion
dollar investment if you really went to the moon. But
if you perpetrated a fraud, that's exactly what you would do,

(10:46):
because you could prove by the drawings which they destroyed,
that they didn't have enough fuel to go to the moon.
You could prove that it didn't have the radiation protection
to go to the Moon. You could prove it didn't
have the battery power to come back. Two hundred fifty
degrees in the lunar module.

Speaker 1 (11:02):
You see. That's and they destroyed the original videotapes. Do
you understand this.

Speaker 2 (11:07):
Ron Howard, whose grandfather warned him they didn't go to
the moon, wanted to make an Imax movie showing off
how great it is to go to the moon. He
went to NASA says, I want the originals. We're going
to make them one hundred feet by one hundred and
twenty feet. They said, give us a couple of days,
and then they destroyed all the original videotapes before they
could be transferred to HD. You would never do that

(11:29):
if you went to the moon. But that's exactly what
you would do if you fake the images you see.

Speaker 3 (11:35):
Okay, let's see.

Speaker 5 (11:38):
I want to find that Elon must thing and let's
see what he said. Hold on, speaking of technology, hopefully
I can do this right all right?

Speaker 3 (11:47):
Can you see my screen?

Speaker 6 (11:49):
In nineteen sixty nine, were able to send somebody to
the moon nineteen sixty nine, then we had the Space Shuttle.
The Space Shuttle could only take people to Lowes with orbits.
Then the Space Shuttle retired and the United States could
take no one to orbits. So that's the trend the
trend is like down to nothing.

Speaker 1 (12:10):
This is not.

Speaker 6 (12:12):
A mistaken when they think that technology just automatically improves,
it does not automatically improve. It only improves if a
lot of people work very hard to make it better.
And actually it will, I think, by itself degrade. Actually,
you look at great civilizations like ancient Egypt and they're
able to make the pyramids, and they forgot how to

(12:34):
do that, and the Romans they built these incredible aqueducts,
they forgot how to do it.

Speaker 1 (12:41):
Well.

Speaker 2 (12:41):
There's no technology in the entire world, not a single time,
that hasn't gotten a lotter over time. So if he's
saying that, you know, effort, you know is required and
they just didn't get the effort. The fact is we
have the only anomaly in the.

Speaker 1 (12:58):
History of the world.

Speaker 2 (12:59):
Has multiple anomalies about the Moon landing, which is, if
the light bulb improved, if the tire improved, if the
automobile improved, if airplane's improved and boat's improved, batteries improved,
if ink pins improved, then space technology would have improved too.
There's no excuse for it not to have gotten better,

(13:20):
especially when they keep claiming they want to quote return
to the Moon. It'd be different if they publicly said
we're never going to go again. But they said ten
times they're going to return to the Moon in five years,
and for some reason they.

Speaker 1 (13:34):
Can't do it.

Speaker 2 (13:35):
They set a twenty year goal to go to the
Moon and they couldn't do it for some reason. With
twenty first century technology, they can't return to the Moon
with twenty years of development. But when Kennedy set the goal,
they could do it in eight years.

Speaker 5 (13:51):
Well so here, here's yeah, so I'll come back to
the shadows here in a second. But one of the
things that I disagree with is you look at even
Elon Musk said the Romans had these aqueducts, then they
forgot how to build them.

Speaker 3 (14:08):
You look at the pyramids. That technology they still can't
figure out how they did that.

Speaker 5 (14:12):
And that's old technology.

Speaker 1 (14:15):
You mean, what do you mean.

Speaker 2 (14:17):
I've climbed to the top of the world's tallest pyramid
in Egypt. The base of it is thirteen acres and
the top of it is about fifty stories tall. So
can they today make a building that's taller with less
of a footprint. Well, yeah, of course they can.

Speaker 5 (14:31):
So they can't repro that they can't replicate. They cannot
replicate the.

Speaker 1 (14:36):
Technology that just a bunch of rocks piles on top
of one another.

Speaker 3 (14:40):
The fact, but they can't replicate it.

Speaker 2 (14:43):
The technology of the pyramids has improved because they can
make a taller building with less of a footprint. So
to say that the technology of the pyramids is greater
than we have today, that's not true.

Speaker 5 (14:54):
Then I'm not saying I'm not saying that tech I'm
not saying that technology isn't better. I'm just saying the
technology that the ancient people of Egypt used to build
the the what do you call it, the Pyramids, cannot
be replicated today.

Speaker 3 (15:10):
You could build a building better.

Speaker 1 (15:12):
You might be why, why why couldn't it be?

Speaker 3 (15:14):
I don't know. They haven't been able to do it,
and they've been trying.

Speaker 1 (15:17):
Why would they want to? Why would why would somebody else?

Speaker 5 (15:19):
They're trying to figure out they're trying to figure out
how these people made out.

Speaker 2 (15:23):
Of rocks with the thirteen acre footprint. No one would
want to, right, because they're.

Speaker 3 (15:28):
Trying to figure out how these guys.

Speaker 1 (15:31):
They've said ten times they're going to return to the Moon,
and they haven't been able to do it. So what's
the problem, So.

Speaker 5 (15:38):
I guess, so we don't keep talking over each other.
Why don't we not talk over each other? So again,
my point being on the pyramids is that they can't
figure out how these people were able to make the
pyramids because they cannot replicate that result. So if they
even wanted to build a pyramid today, they can build

(16:00):
it with today's technology.

Speaker 3 (16:02):
So uh.

Speaker 5 (16:03):
And then again, as Elon Musk pointed out, the aqueducts
that the Romans built, they ended up forgetting how to
do that. You look at you look at some of
these other architectural marvels. It's it's very difficult to replicate.
But anyway, so but let's I want to look into

(16:24):
the shadow here that this is one of the things
that that I think is one of the things that
that is very common in Uh what.

Speaker 1 (16:36):
Do you call it?

Speaker 3 (16:37):
So, so explain what we're seeing here.

Speaker 1 (16:40):
Well.

Speaker 2 (16:41):
On the left is how shadows look in sunlight. You
can go outside in your front yard or parking lot
at noon and you can look at two trees, two
telephone poles, two people standing on a cloudless day, and
you'll see that their shadows will always run parallel with
one another, it's impossible for shadows to intersect in sunlight.

Speaker 1 (17:02):
On the right is a picture that they.

Speaker 2 (17:03):
Claim is on the Moon, where the astronaut's shadow goes
at twelve o'clock and a rock about five feet away
the shadow who is.

Speaker 1 (17:11):
At nine o'clock.

Speaker 2 (17:12):
That's in ninety degree difference in shadow angles from objects
five feet apart. I'm a filmmaker. That's electrical lining. Sunlight
is parallel shadows. Electrical lining is intersecting shadows, which means
the picture on the right was taken with electrical light,
which means they're not on the Moon because according to NASA,

(17:32):
sunlight on the Moon is twenty times brighter than a
desert on Earth. Because you might want to zoom out
so they can see the rock a little bit better
that it's twenty times brighter than a desert on Earth.
So why would they need electrical lighting? There was the
last thing in the world they would need.

Speaker 5 (17:49):
So you're saying, so you're saying that this rock here
and this rock here, their shadow should be going like
you said, twelve o'clock noon, up and.

Speaker 2 (17:58):
Down either the astronaut. They should be going the same direction.
You have the astronauts shadow going in the twelve o'clock direction.
You have the rock shadow going in the nine o'clock direction.
That's ninety degree different from objects about five feet apart.
Either one electrical light is close and it's throwing off
the shadows, or that it looks like they might have
two electrical lights. The point is they should be parallel

(18:20):
in sunlight, and it's not sunlight. They claimed that they
were taking these pictures in sunlight that was twenty times
brighter than the light on Earth, because the Moon has
no atmosphere. So the last thing in the world you're
gonna need is supplemental electrical lighting if it's twenty times
brighter than a noon day in the desert. So the

(18:42):
fact that these shadows are intersecting at ninety degrees means
it's taken with an electrical light, which means they're on Earth.
That's as simple as that. Then everything falls into place.
That's why they can't return to the Moon today with
fifty years better rockets and computers. That's why the guy
said he I wish missed the faking of the moon landing.
That's why we have a one foot model of the

(19:05):
Earth of them faking being halfway to the Moon. They
did fake the moon landing, and the fact is people
have made a god.

Speaker 1 (19:12):
Out of it.

Speaker 2 (19:13):
They think, you know, somehow I'm offending their god of science.
We have to realize, if you you know, we live
in a world that is messed up. There's never been
a time in the entire history of the world where
the world leaders had the people's interests best in mind.
It's never happened. There's been more genocide in the last

(19:35):
hundred years than in six thousand years of history before it.
We had Hitler, we had pac we had Mussolini, we
had Stalin, killing about one hundred million people combined in
the last hundred years. These are our world leaders just because,
you know, and they were voted in by popular demand
as well. They were loved by the public. And we

(19:56):
have murdering, lying people running our world. And they set
a goal to go to the moon. Kennedy did, he
was killed, and his own nephew, who has more access
to the JFK files than Oliver Stone does, says with
one hundred percent certainty that his uncle President Kennedy was
killed by the CIA. Okay, so let's set that aside.

(20:19):
Then we have Robert mcnamurr who is Defense secretary during
the Vietnam War. On his deathbed, he said, oh, by
the way, the whole reason the Vietnam War started was
contrived by the CIA, because on December sixth, nineteen forty one,
ninety percent of Americans were against entering World War two.
The next day after Pearl Harbor, ninety percent wanted to

(20:41):
get even so he and the CIA got together. Robert McNamara,
defense Secretary during the Johnson administration, said we need a
Pearl Harbor type of event because the public doesn't want
to enter the war and all of us warmongers at
the Pentagon want to. So they contrived a fake attack
by a Vietnamese ship on an American ship in the
Gulf of Tonkin. Congress passed a law called the Gulf

(21:05):
of Tonkin Resolution, which he admits was a complete fabrication
that led to the death of three million people, including
fifty eight two hundred twenty of their own soldiers. So
if they're willing to kill their own president, if they're
willing to kill fifty two hundred twenty of their own soldiers,
I don't think they're going to have a problem shaking
a video image on the moon and if it weren't

(21:27):
for the fact that this is a positive lie. You see,
whoever killed Ken He's still dead. You're just changing who
did it and why? Or nine to eleven you have
three thousand architects and engineers risking their livelihood and reputations
saying it's mechanically impossible for a pin all airplane going
in and out of a grid to cause it's collapse.

(21:47):
You just have to look at Oklahoma seated bombing photograph
where half the building is blown away. That didn't collapse,
did it? So I mean, if they're willing to do that,
and it doesn't really matter because because those are negative.

Speaker 1 (22:01):
Things, whoever did it?

Speaker 2 (22:03):
Kennedy's still dead, All those people are still dead. The
moon landing is a positive lie.

Speaker 1 (22:08):
You see.

Speaker 2 (22:08):
People don't want to give it up. Mark Twain said,
it's easier to fool people than to convince them they
have been fooled. And we have to love the truth
so much that we have to believe that the bitterest
truth is better than the sweetest lie. My footage and
a funny thing happened on the way to the moon

(22:28):
that proves them faking being halfway to the moon. On
sibrel dot com home page. I showed it to two
NBC news directors who agreed on it proves they didn't
go to the moon. One refused to broadcast it for
fear would causes civil war against the federal government if
they knew they faked the moon landing.

Speaker 3 (22:49):
All right, let's watch this real quick.

Speaker 5 (22:51):
Let's see if Joe, this is by the way, this
is from your movie, A funny thing happened on the
way to the moon, and.

Speaker 2 (23:06):
So yeah, you might want to cue up the timecode.
I think it's in an email. And then there's a
there's another more detailed clip where I do a side
by side comparison.

Speaker 3 (23:17):
But all right, let's see.

Speaker 1 (23:21):
Uh, it's the second row all the way to the.

Speaker 3 (23:26):
Left, second row, all the way to the left. This one.

Speaker 2 (23:31):
There you go, And then there's a timecode on it
in the email.

Speaker 1 (23:40):
You might want to.

Speaker 2 (23:42):
Queue it up to whatever the timecode is in the email.
I forget what it is.

Speaker 5 (23:46):
I could well, okay, so I have a I have
a time code on the audio that starts at ten
ten oh six.

Speaker 3 (23:52):
I don't have a.

Speaker 2 (23:53):
Time start at ten oh six on the second row
clip all the way to the left.

Speaker 5 (23:58):
Okay, and what is it that we're about to see?
What does this show us?

Speaker 2 (24:12):
Well, we have them faking being halfway to the moon.
We have an unedited tape that says at the beginning,
don't show to the public where they're doing a special
effect using a one foot model of the Earth to
pretend it's to Earth floating in space. All right, And
this is the footage that two NBC News directors agree
that they never left Earth orbit because they're still let's.

Speaker 3 (24:33):
Watch it, let's watch it.

Speaker 2 (24:34):
Hold on, Yeah, yeah, you have it queued up a
little bit past the part, but there's a gag describer.
So on the right is supposed to be the Earth

(24:55):
floating in space, and on the left we see the
unedited version where they're using a circular window with part
of the Earth outside of it to make it look
like the Earth floating in space. So we just have
them faking being halfway to the moon. And you're going
to see that again. This is full screen. They originally
claim this was the Earth floating in space. You can

(25:15):
go ahead and kip hit play, and they said this
was the Earth from one hundred and fifty thousand miles out.
That's really the circular window of the spacecraft filled up
with the Earth in Earth orbit and it looks like
the Earth floating in space. They even insert a little
crescent piece of material into the window to make it
look like the terminator line. Here they are breaking it

(25:37):
down in front of the window. So that's really a
one foot model of the Earth that earlier they claimed
was the Earth floating in space to convince the audience
that they were halfway to the moon looking back at
the Earth. So we have them faking being halfway to
the moon with a one foot model of the Earth. Well,
what does that mean. It means they cannot go oh

(26:00):
halfway to the Moon because they're faking being halfway to
the moon. And what a surprise, fifty five years later,
they still cannot leave Earth orbit because of radiation and
don't have enough fuel. That's why there's mannequins orbiting the Moon.

Speaker 1 (26:16):
You see.

Speaker 2 (26:17):
This was shown to two NBC News directors who agreed
it is them faking being halfway to the Moon with
a one foot model from Earth orbit. So they're still
in Earth orbit two days into the flight, which means
they can't walk on the Moon. A half a day later,
when they claim it takes three days to get there.
So we also have a track of audio of the

(26:39):
CIA telling them not to answer NASA until four seconds
go by, because they're really only two hundred and fifty
miles above the Earth in Earth orbit.

Speaker 1 (26:49):
And when they stayed there for eight days, that.

Speaker 2 (26:51):
Way they could go up in front of witnesses, come
down in front of witnesses and have zero gravity footage
of the tune ofice sandwich floating by. But they never
left Earth orbit.

Speaker 3 (27:01):
All right, So which one is the CIA audio?

Speaker 2 (27:05):
Yeah, at the very beginning, that's its separate clip, but
it's from a funny thing happened on the way to
the Moon. There's a timecode on there, and we have
basically NASA saying, hey, the TV picture looks great, and
then there's four seconds of dead air. Then we have
the CIA telling them talk and then they speak. It's

(27:27):
on a funny thing happened on the way to the moon.
The next clip, you just have to queue it up
to whatever the timecode was in that email. I forget
what it is, but I could look it up.

Speaker 1 (27:37):
Keep going along.

Speaker 2 (27:38):
It's about two thirds of the way through. Go back,
a little bit forward, a little bit go forward.

Speaker 7 (27:45):
Keep going forward, keep going, keep going, keep going, a
little bit more, a little bit more, keep going. It's
that thirty something. Keep going, keep going, keep going, keep going,
keep going.

Speaker 1 (28:04):
A little bit more.

Speaker 2 (28:05):
Okay, you can start there if you want and play
the narration. We're about to about to hear it somewhere
around there. Now I can't hear it on my end,
but I guess you can hear it on your end.

Speaker 3 (28:18):
I can't.

Speaker 5 (28:18):
Yes, okay, Now who is the who's the person that's
doing the narration?

Speaker 1 (28:34):
Is?

Speaker 3 (28:34):
Does she work? Was she part of your production team?

Speaker 1 (28:37):
Yeah? She was who we hired for it.

Speaker 2 (28:39):
If I can try to pull up the email I
sent you and tell you the timecode on.

Speaker 3 (28:44):
Here, okay, Well, while you look that up, we'll continue
to play the clip.

Speaker 8 (28:49):
Okay, ye've been don.

Speaker 1 (29:04):
Great?

Speaker 8 (29:04):
Noah, that.

Speaker 6 (29:17):
Again.

Speaker 7 (29:18):
The illusion they are attempting to create is the Earth
at a distance to demonstrate their far journey from it.

Speaker 2 (29:24):
Okay, So basically we heard NASA say, hey, the TV
picture looks great. At least they didn't actually receive it
for some reason. It went through a third party. First,
they were told the picture looks great. There's four seconds
of dead air. Then we hear a third party that's
not NASA, not the astronauts, which has kind of a
walkie talkie kind of sound to it, and.

Speaker 1 (29:46):
We hear hawk.

Speaker 2 (29:48):
So they're really only in Earth orbit, which is about
two hundred and fifty miles above the Earth. So if
they have an instantaneous conversation back and forth like hello,
how are you, I'm fine, how's your day? Oh, it's
pretty good, that gives away the fact that they're close
to the Earth. They're supposed to be one hundred and
thirty thousand miles away, halfway to the Moon. This is
allegedly the camera's lens up against the glass, shooting the

(30:12):
tiny Earth far away. This is actually the circular window
of the spacecraft with the Earth filling it up from
Earth orbit, you see, but with the camera back, it
looks like the Earth floating in space. We just saw
the clip where the lights come up, and it's really
the window filled up with the Earth from the orbit.
But the cameras actually they lied. It's not the lenses,

(30:35):
not up against the glass. It's really at the back
of the spacecraft. They've turned out all the lights, all
of which we have in the unedited footage. So they're
supposed to be halfway to the Moon, so they estimated
about two seconds for the radio signal to reach the
astronauts and two seconds for the reply to come back.
So what we heard was NASA says, hey, the TV

(30:56):
picture looks great. There's somebody the counting off four seconds
and then they say talk, and then Neil Armstrong speaks.
He's not allowed to speak until four seconds go by,
and he's prompted with talk. They're creating a fake four
second radio delay to make it appear that they're beyond

(31:17):
Earth orbit. That is really the window of the spacecraft,
but according to NASA documentaries, that's the Earth floating in space. Well,
we have the unedited version. The lights come up, and
it's this clever representation they've done with the window. Two
NBC news directors agree this is them faking being halfway

(31:38):
to the Moon from Earth orbit. It's dated two days
into the flight, and it proves they didn't go to
the moon. One guy refuses to broadcast it for fear
will cause a civil war against the federal government. And
when ten years go by and there's a new NBC
News director, they fly me to New York, put me
up in the Waldorf Astoria pay me thousands of dollars

(31:58):
for the exclusive license. They're going to break the story nationwide.
The moon landings are fake. They get a call from
the federal government threatening them, and they don't broadcast it.

Speaker 5 (32:08):
All right, So I guess one of my one of
my questions, because you say you think it's the CIA
saying talk.

Speaker 2 (32:17):
With somebody in say CIA, they're basically they Yeah, they're
they're basically telling the alarm. They've told them in advance,
don't speak, don't answer questions until you hear talk, because
they want to create a fake four second radio delay
to make it appear that they're further away from the
Earth than they really are. And that's exactly what they did.

(32:38):
According to NASA, there's only two people on this channel,
there's NASA and the astronauts, but there's obviously a third
party and they're prompting them to speak after four seconds
go by.

Speaker 5 (33:07):
Yeah, without a doubt, there is a clear voice that
says talk. That is clear as day. So whether it's
NASA themselves, CIAUSA, whoever, it's clear that they're saying talk,
Which to your point, it doesn't make sense if you

(33:30):
are If you and I are having a conversation. We
don't need a third party saying talk.

Speaker 2 (33:36):
So well, yeah, I mean, if you want, you can
play it for about three minutes past that point and
we'll see the footage that shows them thinking being halfway
to the moon. I gave them the benefit of the doubt.
You have to understand, I believe the moon landings are real,
and more so I worshiped to them. But you have
to have an open mind. You have to be willing
to be wrong, and you have to accept the cold,

(33:58):
hard truth. And I had a guy give me a
million dollars who builds rockets for NASA, who says it
was fake. And I still said, you know, I'm going
to produce the film under the theory it might be true.
I figured we'll never know for sure.

Speaker 1 (34:12):
Wrong. I pop in a tape it says, don't show.

Speaker 2 (34:15):
To the public, and it's an hour of this little
special effect shot with the window of them using a
circular window to pretend like it's the Earth floating in space.
And I'm like, oh my gosh, they really did fake
the moon landing.

Speaker 3 (34:29):
Well, I tell you what's funny too. I tell you
what's interesting too.

Speaker 5 (34:33):
First of all, you probably as a filmmaker, you're probably
familiar with jaw Is it a Josh Brolin movie?

Speaker 3 (34:39):
Capricorn one?

Speaker 5 (34:41):
I remember when Capricorn one came out, and now that
was the same premise, but instead of faking the Moon landing,
it was the Mars landing.

Speaker 3 (34:49):
And of course.

Speaker 5 (34:51):
In that movie, on the re entry the rocket blows up,
so now the government has to get ri of the
three astronauts, and so that's kind of the premise of
the movie.

Speaker 3 (35:04):
It's pretty interesting.

Speaker 5 (35:05):
Now today, here we are in twenty twenty four, June
twentieth of twenty twenty four, and.

Speaker 3 (35:14):
They are coming out with the movie that.

Speaker 5 (35:17):
Starts Woody Harrelson, Chatham, no chat Istum Tatum, whatever, and
what's the actress that played the Black Widow. That movie's
about to be released, and it's basically how they fake
the moon landing, and it's the entire process.

Speaker 3 (35:38):
So are you gonna be looking at this movie? Are
you gonna be watching?

Speaker 2 (35:42):
I'm not sure that's seeing the exact premise of it.
There's not much about it we know other than faking
the moon mission is part of the plot. From the trailer,
they say they're shooting a fake lunar landing as a backup.
So the album that they have is the AI and
other computers have said the pictures were taken in a

(36:04):
TV studio because of the angle of the shadows and
so forth, and the fake backgrounds. So I think sadly
they might say, well, we really went to the Moon,
which of course they did not, because we still have
Neil Armstrong in their thorbit two days into the flight,
right when he's supposed to be halfway to the moon,
and they shot backup footage just in case, and somehow

(36:26):
the backup footage got mixed.

Speaker 1 (36:27):
Pin and that's why we really went to the moon.
But the pictures are fake.

Speaker 2 (36:31):
You know, if they really went to the Moon, they
wouldn't dare fake one image because then they could be
accused of faking the whole thing. And they really weren't
concerned with whether or not they had images on the
Moon or not, because during the alleged you know, live landing,
we had audio of them landing on the Moon, but

(36:52):
no video. Why not why not have a camera on
the side of the lunar module and have the Moon
getting closer and closer closer, Because.

Speaker 1 (36:59):
They couldn't do that. They couldn't pull it off.

Speaker 2 (37:02):
So they waited until a film model of the little
module and they released it later.

Speaker 3 (37:08):
So, well, let me ask you this real quick.

Speaker 5 (37:10):
Let me ask you this, what would be the purpose
of faking the whole landing on the moon and walking
on the moon?

Speaker 2 (37:19):
Well, I guess to make money because they only went
into Earth orbit and they had already done that with
Mercury and Gemini. And so if they're raking in two
hundred and seventy billion dollars to go to the Moon
and they're not going to the moon and shooting it,
and of that money. And as we know, Congress forbid

(37:45):
the army to go into Cambodia during the Vietnam War,
but they went in anyway under the funding of the CIA,
who maked the moon landing. You see, So where did
they get that money from? You see what's going on here?
And so the federal government's breaking their own loss. There
was a law passed. Yeah, what a surprise, there was

(38:08):
a law passed. You know, Time magazine in nineteen fifty
seven or something had on their cover the smartest man
in America.

Speaker 1 (38:14):
Maybe it was nineteen fifty five.

Speaker 2 (38:16):
After a quiz show he was, you know one well
he won because he got the answers in advance. So
Time Magazine was wrong. Time Magazine had men on the
Moon that was filmed at Cannon Air Force Base. They
were wrong, and so Congress passed the law you can't
use television to deceive people. Then they used television to
deceive people about the moon landing, and they're murdering their

(38:39):
own people. You have to understand, my book has information
not in the film because I interviewed people who didn't
want information released until after they died, including my interview
with the widow of the man who is going to
be the first man to walk on the moon, who
thought the Apollo rocket was a piece of junk. In fact,

(39:00):
days before he was murdered, he without permission, held the
press conference where he took reporters up to the top
of the rocket and as fixed the lemon the size
of a grapefruit, calling the moon rocket a lemon, a
piece of junk. S guy, widow, this is Virgil grissom
Oh and his widow told me who.

Speaker 1 (39:22):
I interviewed for four hours.

Speaker 2 (39:25):
She said, on January twenty sixth, nineteen sixty seven, he
came home from work and said the following hun for
some strange reason, the CIA is all over the launchpad today,
flashing their badges and inspecting the equipment. I've been here
for three years. Why is the CIA here today? Never
seen him here before the very next day. He's dead

(39:48):
from faulty equipment because he wouldn't cooperate with the moon
landing fraud. He was murdered by the CIA. Not my opinion,
that's his dead wife's, I mean the opinion of his widow.
And his son says the same thing. Who's the seven
forty seventh pilots? So not only does the federal government
take a third of our labor to fake the moon landing,

(40:09):
they used that money to hire the CIA agents who
kill our fellow Americans try and expose their crimes.

Speaker 1 (40:15):
Right, we had again.

Speaker 3 (40:18):
And again.

Speaker 5 (40:18):
You know this is for people who are saying this
is ridiculous or outlandish. I will have people remember of them,
the Contra hearings, right, and Ronald Reagan and again at
that time President Reagan denying any such activity.

Speaker 3 (40:39):
And then you have Oliver North saying this is what
we did.

Speaker 5 (40:43):
And so for years there was that denial, and again
us lives were put in harm's way to get these
arms to the contrast. So here's one of my you know,
one of my favorite books, and it's a conspiracy book.

Speaker 3 (41:02):
It's called On the Trail of the Assassins. Are you
familiar with this?

Speaker 1 (41:06):
No?

Speaker 3 (41:07):
So On the Trail of the.

Speaker 5 (41:08):
Assassins is written by a guy named Jim Garrison. Jim
Garrison was the attorney general in is it New Orleans anyway?
In Louisiana. Yeah, And so the whole movie, the JFK
movie by Oliver Stone is based on his book.

Speaker 3 (41:27):
And this is one of the scariest books I've ever read.

Speaker 5 (41:29):
And so part of the reason that it was so
scary is because it gives you all this information. And
I had to stop reading the book at night because
I would hear something outside. I'm like looking out for
a window. I'm freaking out. But in that book, one
of the things that is so startling is that right
after the JFK assassination there was something like two hundred

(41:52):
and fifty witnesses. Now not that all of them, you know,
And if you look at the Daley Plaza, you know,
you have all those people they're scared at all around
the cars, right, So you're going to get different points
of view from everybody.

Speaker 3 (42:05):
So two hundred and fifty plus witnesses.

Speaker 5 (42:08):
We're talking law enforcement people, we're talking FBI, we're talking
just regular folks. And out of two hundred and fifty
something witnesses, something like two hundred and twenty of them died.

Speaker 3 (42:29):
That That is not a coincidence. That is strategy.

Speaker 2 (42:35):
What we have here, then, is these gangsters running the
United States of America, killing their own president, killing people
who knew they killed their own president, faking moon landings,
potentially doing nine to eleven, potentially doing this little thing
for the last three years. When a former vice president
of a certain company selling a medicine for an illness

(42:57):
that people don't even have, says, there is no reason
to take it, and secondly, it's.

Speaker 1 (43:02):
Not good for you. These people are at large.

Speaker 2 (43:05):
And the news director who told me that he wouldn't
broadcast that footage for fear would cause the Civil War,
I thought he was overreacting. I said, you know, get
over it. It's not that big of a deal. The
sad thing is, basically, if he were correct, what he's
really saying is if we tell the public how corrupt
the federal government is, it'll bring down the corrupt federal government,

(43:30):
and that's supposed to happen. But now I'm beginning to
see his point of view.

Speaker 1 (43:34):
He said, this will enrage people.

Speaker 2 (43:37):
You know, you can change the hat on who shot
jfkn Why change the hat on nine to eleven?

Speaker 1 (43:41):
Who did it?

Speaker 2 (43:42):
And why this had people praying on their knees, waving
their flag. They printed it on coins that they're on
the moon. Look at a fifty cent piece from the
nineteen seventies. They put it on stamps, they put it
on the encyclopedia. They teach it in university grades. They

(44:03):
gave them medals of honor for being such good liars.
If our heroes are traders, this is why when people
take an oath in the military, are law enforcement to
protect America against all enemies foreign and domestic domestic. Who
killed Kennedy an American you see, who did the Gulf

(44:26):
of Tolkien lie that led to the needless death of
fifty twenty soldiers, An American who faked the moon landing,
an American who killed Virgil Grissom and two of his friends.
And Americans CIA agents that we paid for. You see,
the traders that we need to worry about aren't in
China or Russia. That's what they want us to think

(44:48):
in misdirection, like a magician. Our traders are running the
federal government. They're killing their own people. Not my opinion,
it's the opinion of the dead people's relatives. I'm not
passing on the information.

Speaker 5 (45:00):
And so what I got out of the book was
there are so many layers to our federal government that
even the President of the United States doesn't know everything
that's going on.

Speaker 3 (45:13):
He can't.

Speaker 5 (45:15):
And to your point about Ted Kennedy, I've always wondered
that myself, you're a senator. If anybody could unseal those files,
it would be Ted Kennedy, which he chose not to,
and I believe that he chose not to out of fear.

Speaker 2 (45:34):
Well, of course, why didn't Trump Trump read on the
promise he would open the JFK files and he didn't. Right,
do you realize that the law to open the files
in twenty seventeen was only written because of Oliver Stone's
film that got people riled up again. And then the
law said I'm paraphrasing it, but it basically said, we

(45:54):
will release the files in twenty seventeen unless the president
at that time decides not to. I mean, come on,
what kind of law is that. That's like saying, Bert,
I promised not to hit you unless I've changed my mind. Right,
that much of a promise?

Speaker 1 (46:09):
Well then why why bother? We're writing writing the law?
And then Trump opened them. No, he didn't.

Speaker 2 (46:16):
You know why because they got some picture or video
of him with the seventeen year old, right, and they said,
you know you released that, We're released this, and he
backed down. Now he's promising it again. Right, Sorry, you
had your chance. You know what I mean, and you
know what can you do? President Clinton suggested in his book,

(46:38):
his autobiography, My Life, that the moon landings were fake
on page one hundred and fifty six. In fact, Clinton
denied having an affair twenty times, and when he finally
got caught and some reporter asked him, why did you
do it, he said, because I could, Because I could

(46:59):
get away with it.

Speaker 1 (46:59):
Why did they fake them in lending?

Speaker 2 (47:01):
Because they could? Why did they kill Kennedy? Because they could?
Eisenhower warned us before Kennedy on January nineteenth, nineteen sixty one,
his last stay in office, a general who was president
for eight years warned dark forces are.

Speaker 1 (47:19):
Taking over the country. Good luck.

Speaker 2 (47:21):
Well, why didn't he do anything about it for eight years?
Because he was afraid they'd kill him. He was afraid
he wouldn't be able to enjoy retirement with his grandchildren.
So he selfishly tried to protect his life. And what
does the Bible say, you hold onto your life, you'll
lose it. You lose it for the sake of what
is right, you'll gain it eternally. Now three hundred more

(47:43):
Americans are suffering because of Eisenhower's selfishness to protect his
own life rather than bring these people to justice, which
he had eight years to do, and warned us the
day he was leaving. And then the next guy tried
to do something about about it and got shot in
broad daylight. He said, I'm gonna shut down the CIA.

(48:05):
The CIA suggested that they kill Americans and blame it
on Cuba so that they could go to war with Cuba.
Now I'm not a lawyer, but I think that's called
attempted murder, isn't it. When you plot to kill somebody,
you can go to jail from plotting to kill somebody.
Our own people and our own government were plotting to
kill Americans. They put it in writing Operation Northwoods. It's

(48:28):
a real thing. They said, let's kill Americans and blame Cuba.
What a great idea. They should have been dragged off
to jail for suggesting such a thing.

Speaker 3 (48:37):
And the well, if it's the CIA, if it's the CIA.
The CIA.

Speaker 5 (48:43):
Is known for doing that, right. They topple over governments
that way. That's part of the their their what do
you call it?

Speaker 3 (48:50):
They're mo o.

Speaker 5 (48:51):
They they deal with lies and propaganda and fakery. That
is their forte. All right, so let me ask you
this real quick. I want to show you this because
it I don't have any notes for it.

Speaker 3 (49:05):
But what is this right here? This gentleman right here?

Speaker 2 (49:09):
Well, that's just if you want to queue up the
timecoat on this is queue up three thirty six and
play it for about four minutes.

Speaker 3 (49:23):
Three thirty six.

Speaker 2 (49:25):
Yeah, you can mute my micro I'll mute it three
thirty six and play it for about four minutes. This
would be a good way to conclude.

Speaker 9 (49:32):
Okay, I've never known my dad to lie to get
caught ring was worse than whatever it was you did
to begin with. I remember going to school with long
sleeve shirts on to hide the purple welts, you did
not lie in our house. That's for sure.

Speaker 10 (49:51):
Dad had a real, really bad attitude towards lyon. Excuse
me again.

Speaker 9 (50:00):
Anyway, this is the story that my dad told me
on his deathbed. Project slam Dunk was the name of
this President Johnson in nineteen sixty eight. Okay, in Cannon
Air Force Base in nineteen sixty eight. He said by
that time, by the time he got there, that there

(50:23):
was already two large.

Speaker 10 (50:24):
Hangars that were connected.

Speaker 9 (50:28):
There was hundreds of dump trucks that came in and
dumped sand and stone and cement. Powder was powdered over
the top of all that to make it look like
a lunar landscape. They had men that the fashioned it
into a lunar landscape. He said, Okay, I've never known

(50:50):
my dad to lie, so this all took me by surprise.
You know what's that all about. So anyway, he said
that in front of the airplane hangers was pull framing
with a large canvas tents that was concealing the inside

(51:11):
of the staging area. Inside the staging area on flatbed
trucks was arcarded. The lunar lander that was assembled reassembled
back inside the hangars.

Speaker 10 (51:27):
All of the walls were painted flat black in the
ceilings as well.

Speaker 9 (51:33):
He was sworn to secrecy by the NSA, and they
would put him in prison for breaking that oath. And
when Dad saw the moon landing on TV, he cried.
He said he knew that what he had witnessed on
TV was exactly what they recorded in that hangar. There

(51:55):
was no reason for them to go flying around and
everything they had detailed high Depp finished photos of the
landing area. There was no reason for them to go
flying around to a different landing area that almost exhausted
their fuel, except for drama, because everything had gone so smoothly, nothing,

(52:20):
you know.

Speaker 10 (52:20):
So it had to be something.

Speaker 9 (52:24):
Anyway, Dad was one of three guards.

Speaker 10 (52:29):
They guarded the inside of the front entrance. There was
a list of fifteen people who could enter.

Speaker 9 (52:35):
No one else was allowed by order of President Johnson.

Speaker 10 (52:39):
And here is that list.

Speaker 9 (52:40):
And I gave it to bartside Brow as well, and
he checked out a lot of these names, and he
says he can verify a lot of these people and
what they do. And I come across the couple myself. Anyway,
President Johnson, Neil Armstrong, Edwin Alden Verner von Braun, Robert

(53:03):
Emmeneger Gene Krantz, James Webb, Joe Kerwin, doctor Thomas Payne,
Glenn Looney, doctor for Christopher Kraft, doctor James Van Allen.

Speaker 1 (53:22):
Okay, So that's basically you know, the meat of the interview.

Speaker 2 (53:28):
This is the son of the man who confessed as
he was dying that he was the chief of security
at Cannon.

Speaker 1 (53:36):
Air Force Base.

Speaker 3 (53:38):
And which is guy's name.

Speaker 2 (53:43):
The gentleman who I witnessed the faking of the Mulini
fraud's name was Cyrus U gene Acres. And I didn't
put that in the book because his son was still alive.
The person you saw is now dead of cancer. And
I didn't put in there that his father had committed
murder because for respect of him his son still being alive.

(54:04):
But I mentioned that now in interviews. So we do
have an eyewitness who did come forward that not only
did he eyewitness the moon landing fraud, more important to
him was confessing that he had killed another human being.

Speaker 1 (54:18):
And when his.

Speaker 2 (54:19):
Son heard it that he killed a coworker at Canon
Air Force Base, he brought in the military police to
give the dead man's family closure.

Speaker 1 (54:27):
And when they asked him, why did you kill him?

Speaker 2 (54:29):
He said, to cover up the moon landing fraud because
my coworker thought it was more really wrong, and I
was either told to kill him or took it under
my own volition as the chief of security of Canon
Air Force Base, which is the special ops headquarters of
the United States Air Force. And those people on the list,
a lot of them I had heard of. Some of

(54:50):
them I did not, including the Robert Emmenager who was
a science fiction writer and I guess he was a
consultant or somebody on the project. And there were some
CIA people, Naval intelligence people, a retired general was there
for some reason. Van Allen of the Van Allen radiation
belts was there, And of course that's one of the

(55:13):
clips as well, why they can't go to the Moon
today because of dangerous radiation. And one of the clips
at sibrel dot com is NASA's own engineer saying it's
dangerous radiation and the technology necessary for an astronaut to
go through the radiation to the Moon and back hasn't
been invented yet, So how did they go to the moon.

(55:36):
And this is why there's Mannekins opening the Moon because
radiation would kill them, but they're testing out the equipment.
So this is an embarrassment.

Speaker 1 (55:45):
You know.

Speaker 2 (55:46):
I talked to somebody before this interview and he says
they're in a pickle because, you know, after fifty years
not being able to go back to the Moon. I mean,
Limberg flew across the Atlantic in nineteen twenty seven. It
wouldn't be fifty years before another air plane flew across
the Atlantic. And when they split the atom, it wouldn't
be fifty years before the same nation could split the

(56:07):
atom a second time. You know, if they broke the
sound barrier, it wouldn't be fifty years before someone broke
the sand barrier, you know. And so logic is proving
they did not go to the Moon. If you have
an open mind willing to be wrong. God opposes the proud,
gives grace to the humble. Pride is simply the unwillingness

(56:27):
to be wrong. I've talked to a college professor teaching
aerospace who said that even if he saw an Apollo
astronaut on National TV confessed that the Moon missions were
faked and filmed a Canon Air Force base, just like
I said that, he'd still think he walked on the
moon anyway that he won't recant forious moon landings.

Speaker 5 (56:47):
So you know, back to this book I was talking
about on the Trail of the Assassin, So.

Speaker 3 (56:55):
You reminded me of something in that book.

Speaker 5 (56:58):
Jim Garrison brings the only trial in the JFK assassination.
He he finds these people there in New Orleans. Uh,
he brings brings them to trial.

Speaker 1 (57:09):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (57:10):
The jury, it's a hung jury. The gentleman that he
brings to trial, I can't remember his name, Shaw, mister Shaw,
mister Shaw, during his deposition said one thing, and at
trial said another. So Jim Garrison was gonna was was
going to try him again, but this time for perjury

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or I take that back, I'm sorry.

Speaker 1 (57:35):
He was.

Speaker 5 (57:36):
He was acquitted, and he was acquitted because he had
perjured himself, so that he was going to bring charges
against him for perjury and he uh the uh.

Speaker 3 (57:48):
The the FBI.

Speaker 5 (57:51):
Shows up at the end of this trial and they
take mister Shaw away, and that's depicted in the movie
as well. My point being, as I said earlier, we
as American citizens, we have no idea the different layers,
the different things that are happening. Could the moon landing
have been an absolute fake, certainly could. And to your point,

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to sit there and not do your own homework, and
and and just to take everything on on on face value.

Speaker 3 (58:24):
You know, there's just too many questions.

Speaker 5 (58:27):
Where again you can say, hey, well here this this
thing answers this question, and and and and this one
here answers this question. But again it opens up the
possibility because we've seen our government, just like a lot
of other governments, fake some things out cause they you know,

(58:48):
they create wars, create shortages when there shouldn't have been
all this other stuff.

Speaker 3 (58:53):
So I do want to.

Speaker 5 (58:55):
Bring this up because one of the things that that
I guess you're kind of infamous for, for lack of
better terms, was you you approached buzzuh.

Speaker 3 (59:11):
My gosh, I'm blanking on his name. What's his name?

Speaker 1 (59:13):
Dream?

Speaker 3 (59:14):
Thank you, buzz Aldred. I'm thinking buzz light Year. I
did want to say that.

Speaker 5 (59:18):
So you approached balls of buzz Aldred and you know,
you you basically put it to him and uh he
ended up punching you.

Speaker 3 (59:28):
Talk about this event.

Speaker 2 (59:32):
Well, I mean I didn't wake up that morning saying, like,
you know, I want to call buzz Aldrin a liar,
coward and the thief. And he didn't wake up that
morning saying I can't wait to punch bart. But prior
I had done an interview with him where I showed
him that footage, and as far as he knew, the
story had broken worldwide that the moon missions were fake.
He said he was only a passenger, meaning in fact,

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he said he and the al Armstrong were just passengers.
I mean they never landed the meaning they dis orbited
the earth, he said, talk to the NASS administrator. And
then he accused me of wanting to become famous by
making this discovery, which I couldn't become famous if I
was wrong. So he made two admissions on camera that
I was correct, and then he tried to you know,

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threaten me legally if I showed those admissions to anybody.
Then later at another incidents, we had one crew interview
him and then a separate crew might you know film
him being confronted by me with a Bible asking him
to swear to God that he walked on the Moon
or not. I had this idea after the first film.

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A funny thing happened on the way to the Moon,
maybe from watching Courtroom dramas as a kid where you
swear that this is the truth. So I tracked down
several astronauts and that's one of the clips at sebrel
dot com is this film. And you know I called
him a coward, a liar, which he is in which
I have been. And he took offense and he punched me,

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you know, so what so be it? And what can
you do? A more relevant of that film is when
I show another astronaut that fake footage in his house,
he turns beat red, he assaults me from behind, and
in the commotion, we leave a live microphone on him,

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and my camera operator forgets it stop record, so it's
a wireless microphone. And while the camera's in the back
seat of the rental car and the astronaut and his
son are in their house with the door closed, we
hear them say, crystal clear, do you want to call
the CIA and have him whacked?

Speaker 1 (01:01:44):
Me killed? Now?

Speaker 2 (01:01:46):
If I'm some crazy conspiracy theorist who thinks the moon
landing was filmed that came in air Forword's base, you know,
and I'm wrong, why would the CIA care?

Speaker 3 (01:01:57):
Is that footage there at sbrell dot com.

Speaker 2 (01:02:00):
Yeah, it's one of the clips I sent you on
your list. There, let's see you queue it up. I'll
look at the email. I think it's the last clip
you can play it. It's the one bottom row all
the way to the right. You can play forty eight
fifty nine.

Speaker 3 (01:02:18):
This onen't here there, Yeah, forty eight fifty nine.

Speaker 11 (01:02:24):
Yeah, see you later from corner.

Speaker 1 (01:02:35):
Hope.

Speaker 3 (01:02:38):
Well, the CIA have them WAFT.

Speaker 1 (01:02:50):
So you can posit there.

Speaker 2 (01:02:52):
So that's me being threatened with murder by the CIA,
which would not be necessary if they really went to
the Moon. And I'm some person who thinks of a
film that came in Air Force base. Why would they care? Yeah,
you know, so that's proof as well, just like destroying
all the original videotapes and schematics and blueprints, you know,
which they would never do if they really went.

Speaker 1 (01:03:13):
But that's exactly what they would do if.

Speaker 2 (01:03:15):
They're covering a frod And you know, when it dawns
on you, like when I saw that footage of them
using a circular window filled up with the Earth, pretending
it's the Earth floating in space, you know, it's like, oh,
they really did fake the moon landing. This is very profound.
I mean, do you realize Bert, that faking the moonlanding

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is so much more profound of an event historically than
if they had actually gone.

Speaker 1 (01:03:39):
Do you see that?

Speaker 3 (01:03:40):
Sure?

Speaker 2 (01:03:40):
The fact that the most powerful nation on earth faked
the greatest accomplishment of mankind and murder their own people
to cover it up, that's so profound, and it's not
publicly acknowledged. So we have this great truth that mankind
can learn from, and we're stagnant in our advancement as

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a race and as a civilization, as a culture and
as a nation, and tell this truth is acknowledged. We
cannot go forward and tell this truth is acknowledged. We
will have murdering, embezzling line gangsters as our government's leaders.

Speaker 5 (01:04:18):
Well, I think that even if this truth came forward,
even if if all of a sudden the powers would
be said, yeah, we admit it.

Speaker 3 (01:04:28):
We never made it to the Moon.

Speaker 5 (01:04:29):
It was all fake, it wouldn't stop the rest of
the fakery that goes on.

Speaker 3 (01:04:34):
It is unfortunate. But as you see, look, we have.

Speaker 5 (01:04:43):
I hate saying this phrase because it's been used to
death in the last twenty four months, but unprecedented changes
that have happening when you and I were growing up.
There's no chance that a convicted felon would be running
for the presidency, much less be the nominee for the

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party right. For a party, you would not have a
bunch of lawmakers rallying around him.

Speaker 3 (01:05:15):
They would be running the other way. So our government
is imploding.

Speaker 5 (01:05:21):
We do see, we do see some massive changes in
honesty and morality. So anything is possible. There is nothing
that is that is what do you call it?

Speaker 3 (01:05:38):
Crazy? Over the top anymore. Could they have faked the
moon landing? Absolutely? Could they have faked you know, the
the nine to eleven stuff. Absolutely.

Speaker 5 (01:05:49):
There's the one thing I'm sure of is as a
citizen of the United States, which I'm grateful to be here,
we don't know the layers, the depth of what happens
within our own government. And some of that is probably

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good because I think that it would probably cause panic,
and if we're panicking, then that panic is probably.

Speaker 3 (01:06:19):
Going to spread globally.

Speaker 1 (01:06:22):
You know.

Speaker 5 (01:06:23):
We like to look at some of these other places,
other governments, China and Korea, and we'd like to point
and see and say, look how corrupt they are.

Speaker 3 (01:06:36):
We're just better at it. Our government is just better
at it.

Speaker 5 (01:06:41):
Or maybe we're just more used to the corruption. But
the bottom line is, we really don't know. There is
no absolute answer to a lot of these conspiracies.

Speaker 2 (01:06:55):
So anyway, my opinion, I bet there are fewer bridge
collapses in China than there are in America. And when
a government leader is caught being corrupt in China, they
execute them. So six and one half a dozen of
the other.

Speaker 3 (01:07:12):
Yeah, yeah, But.

Speaker 5 (01:07:15):
I mean I think that if if a Chinese national
or government official is caught being corrupt, he is their
version of corrupt is going to be different, meaning if
he's if he's caught stealing from the government, yeah, they're
going to execute him rather quickly.

Speaker 3 (01:07:38):
But again, if if if you are a government who.

Speaker 5 (01:07:43):
Deals in in lies or fakery or whatever, then and
as long as you are willing to tote that line,
you're in good graces, right So but anyway, listen.

Speaker 3 (01:07:59):
It's been fascinating.

Speaker 5 (01:08:01):
I'm going to check out your website surpreal dot com
for more information. I think that the amount of work
and hours that you put into this thing is incredible.
It just can you can't look at all the evidence
that you have and dismiss it. It's there's just too
much there from start to finish. How much time have
you put into this conspiracy?

Speaker 2 (01:08:26):
Well, it's not a conspiracy any more than half of
all crimes are conspiracies. Half of all crimes are done
on the heat and passion of the moment, and half
for plotted in advance. I mean their conspiracy bank robberies
are conspiracies. So you know, it is what it is.
The fact is they did fake them in lending, and
these people are at large running our government, and it's

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important that the truth being known. It's also spiritually symbolic
that mankind's greatest accomplishment is a complete fraud by a
nation that claims to be the most righteous on earth.
You see, there's something going on there as well. It's
the modern day Tower of Babel, which was never furnished.

Speaker 3 (01:09:06):
But how long have you been doing this for? As
far as well?

Speaker 1 (01:09:10):
I started.

Speaker 2 (01:09:11):
I started the production of the movie I guess maybe
around nineteen ninety four and finished it in two thousand
and one. It took about seven years to produce. It's
spent four thousand hours approximately editing the forty five minute movie.
So I thought the moon missions are real. I kind

(01:09:32):
of worshiped the moon missions being glorious, But when I
found footage of them faking being halfway to the moon
right in front of my eyes, what can you say?
They did fake the moon landing, and that's why they
can't go back fifty years later, because they never went
in the first place. And it's a lot harder than
people think.

Speaker 5 (01:09:51):
Yeah, you know, I tell you something that is a
little heartbreaking to watch. Have you seen the internerview with
Elon Musk when he announces that he's going to be
traveling back to space, the heap of negativity that NASA

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and all these former astronauts poured onto him, and he
is visibly emotionally taken aback. I mean, he tears up
in this interview, which I found interesting because if you're
an astronaut, why would you care that this individual is
going to start rocketing to space or whatever.

Speaker 3 (01:10:37):
It's such a weird thing.

Speaker 5 (01:10:39):
Now, finally, to as we started earlier in this conversation,
the first three or four of those rockets did fail miserably,
and finally when he was able to be successful, they
finally started.

Speaker 3 (01:10:53):
Rallying around him.

Speaker 5 (01:10:54):
But I just thought it was interesting that all these
astronauts were so against him traveling to space. It just
seems weird to me. But either way, I appreciate the
work you've done. I appreciate you stopping by and sharing
your thoughts with us, and.

Speaker 1 (01:11:12):
Well, thank you, Bert.

Speaker 2 (01:11:13):
And if people want to watch the film, it's for
free on the homepage of sibrel dot com and it
includes that footage of them faking being halfway to the moon,
which is what convinced me that they really did fake
the moon landing. And if you want the book that
goes into the behind the scenes homicides, deathbed confessions and
that's in audio that I read myself, Kindle the print

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and it's all at sibrel dot com.