Dancing mania and the plague of Strasburg

Throughout history there have been cases of dancing ‘plagues’ that have swept through towns and villages. In these episodes, those afflicted have been reported to have danced for days on end, and sometimes even until death. What could cause over a thousand villagers to dance themselves to doom? Join us in this weeks episode as we attempt to find out.

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Got a good episode today, however, though, Dancing Mania and the
plague of Strasbourg a very interesting topicand it was suggested to by one of
our lovely patrons, Freddy Terrible.That is one of the parks over on

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Petron Now, yeah you can,you can suggest now. The first thing
that came to my mind was thesong mean two thousand. There's a lot
of there's a lot of tie insto song titles throughout, and I wonder
is because some of the terms thatwere actually invented at the time during the

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dancing play interesting. Yeah, itis quite interesting. But before we get
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this send it? Were you everaccosted with an old dose of dance Mania

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where you just couldn't stop dance DanceRevolution, A lot of people were looking
like absolute maniacs when that was popularin the arcades when there used to be
arcades. But do yeah, rightinto us must fuzz podcast at gmail dot
com writing with your spooky stories,your silly stories, and your absurd comments
and we'll read them out on amini fuzz. D d R is an
absolute great example Emen because that youknow, d d or introduced its own

(02:20):
dancing plague. You could say,TikTok, yes, a dancing plague.
That's true. Yeah, it's interesting. Ted Dancing rhythm games also quite interesting,
Batman Arkham. The art and gamesare in effect rhythm. When you
actually play well, it's just likethe punch you're just looking for the cues,

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and rhythm games are exactly the same. Rhythm games are. I'm like
a moth to a flame with them. I remember you had the whole rock
band, say, and literally allof us will be playing together. They
were actually a good time, AndI am I sometimes playing them because they're
for whatever reason, I'm like afly on ship with them, and I

(03:02):
wish then sometimes I'm like, younot these hours doing this crap. Why
couldn't you be practicing your guitar orwhy couldn't you be practicing actual like imagine
instead of playing Dance Dance Revolution,Like let's say actually, let's say no,
say you're going to the arcade fora couple of hours. A lot
of heavy d d OR players aregone a couple of hours a day,

(03:23):
right, those like crawl people rightnow. It's funny when you think about
it, but like they don't theycan't dance like like being good at d
d OR. It looks like you'rehaving a fucking sism on the fucking thing.
Like it's not a dance it's likeit's a rhythm game. So you
know, so then you kind ofwonder, like is it better that they

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excelled to like the competitive level atthat or would it have been better if
they say I went to I don'tknow, fucking samba dancing or something or
a bit of cap away and becamelike age amount of hours that you spend
don't and how good you could get, like whatever makes you happy? What
would you be more impressed with?If someone's like, I'm black belt or

(04:08):
whatever at CAP or they're like,I'm a revolution world champion, I'd probably
be more revolution because of how ridiculousit is. I think if like,
and here's the beautiful thing about beinghuman, isn't it If you find the
thing that speaks to you, evenif it's as fucking nutty as just stump
and hired on a chrome digital dancemachine, you can excel at that.

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It's like it is, it's fantastic. But then there's always a part of
me that's like good time, bebetter, spend somewhere else, but somewhere
else, but like in an equivalentin those cases, in something that has
an equivalency. But if you ifyou look, I'm playing guitar, but
they are totally because you can't getthe same dopamine you can you can.

(04:56):
It's I think long term guitar,actually being able to play a stringed instrument
seems much more impressive. But interms of the persons expert mode, that's
pretty awesome. But that's like,if you can do that an expert you
could probably play that on like anactual guitar. It doesn't at all.

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But they did do that rock Smiththing where it was like, that's actually
hard. I have that because it'sactually isn't it not. It's just hard
because of how it plays. ButI have that set up is actually a
six string guitar and you're actually playingit's like tabs almost coming down at the
time. That's pretty cool, andyou're playing the reel song bing dinging.

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So yeah, so that's a littlebit about that. But a quick little
blurb. I suppose it's just likenumerous times over history recorded history, in
cases of basically dancing play examine thathave swept through towns and villages, and
in these episodes do these effects thathave been reported to have danced for days

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on end days, sometimes more,and at times they'll die until they they'll
dance until they die. Okay,and these aren't raves of the late nineties.
No dehydration this is like, thisis seventeen fifteen hundreds. So what

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we're going to try and do becausethis did happen, by the way,
this is not like one of allis like it did not happen. These
did happen. So what we're goingto try and figure out is why that
happened, how it happened. It'sactually interesting. There's a lot of twists
and turn because you'd imagine, againI haven't read these notes yet, you'd
imagine that there's some sort of eithera weird social contagion like a no se

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bow or plus the word goes theopposite way of like something that, so
everyone's kind of you know, yeah, social contagion or is there people eating
like or got root or something likethat it's making them fucking God comes up
feeling that our God is just,but our guy is also a real handy
explanation for and weird that happened afew hundred years ago. It's a bit

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of a cop it is, andwithout doing too many spiders of the pairs
to be on here as well.So emen, if you want to take
us off with the intro, actuallyand that the phenomenon known as dancing mania,
which also garnered names like the dancingplague, Cora Mania, Saint John's

(07:27):
dance, Tarantism. I like thatSaint John's dance Tarrantism is actually a really
funny one. And then we'll getto tarrentism player. Okay, that's a
great term, right, yeah,Oh that's what I was like. Tarant
and Saint Vitus's dance represents a curiouschapter in European history, spanning from the

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fourteenth to the seventeenth centuries. That'skind of interesting as well. It's like
specifically European. No, I know, no one is really chronicling the history
of the native people to the sameextent, But I wonder because this stuff
tends to happen across continents, orit should, you would think, right,
Okay, So this unique event sawmasses of people, at times reaching
into the thousands, engaging in spontaneousand uncontrollable dancing. Both adults and children

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were swept up in these episodes,dancing with such fervor that they often collapsed
from sheer exhaust and sustained injuries,or, in extreme cases, succumbed to
death. The onset of one ofthe earliest and most significant outbreaks was recorded
in Aichian part of the Holy RomanEmpire. Today it's Germany in thirteen seventy

(08:37):
four, probably right, yeah,yeah, probably achien Agen and the filmer
rapidly disseminated across Europe. A particularlyalarming episode unfolded in Strausburg. Al saytia
al sag this is alsatia. Yeah, we're were with Germanic anyway. So

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that was within the Holy Roman Portuguese, that duo lingo really got them speaking
these language as well. That wasin the fifteen eighteen. We're going to
talk about that a little bit later. A question, Actually, do mispronounced
Portuguese Portuguese? So there's like boundthe gejo, which is like cheese bread,

(09:26):
but if you say it wrong powdercajo, then it means dick cheese.
And then the thing with Portuguese,well is it's very like it's not
like English, where you can saythe thing with a different accent and a
different intonation on the vowl or theconsonant and it doesn't really matter over there.
It does like yeah, in Spain, like there's sticklers for like we

(09:46):
went into a place in Spain andwe're like, can we have like I
don't know, let's just say likejamon or something. Right, Yeah,
you said that like a frend.You're going too Spain. What jumbo?
What's French for ham Sorry I can'tremember something. Probably Hamdan had. Probably

(10:16):
you go in and and go canI have a bag of hamban? Right?
And they're like looking at you andyou're like hamd On, like what
am I like? Hand man?And then you said like hand and you're
like, oh hamd On all right, like they'll do that with you,
and you're like, lads, isno one I'm saying comment? They could

(10:37):
they could be roast. I thinkthat France, especially that in France you
like have to be fucking you haveto come correct and like they don't you
know, and even like do youhave to say do you have French teacher?
I don't? You say a lotof subscribes making and then there's a

(11:01):
shut the hell up, hellow,shut the hell up. Used to like
when he talked speak French like hedo, like he'd have the bollocks and
like the fath when someone's speaking Englishand then says something with like the accent

(11:24):
just you know, perfectly tries tosay the accent when they're like Afghanistan it's
like fu Afghanistan. I don't knowif I don't know, actually, if
the other French teacher stretches me out, I think he was a different teacher.
The other French teacher was a Hewas a really nice man, but
he he he. I didn't careabout French and secondary school and barely passed

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it. But I spoke to him. I remember in the cafe I was
working and he came in and Iwas studying like creative writing at the time,
and I agree with it. Justcome on, come on to the
dancing. The instances of dancing mediowere not sporadic, but occurred frequently enough

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to be extensively documented in the recordsof the time. Despite its prevalence,
the understanding of this mania spot I'vejust I can feel the energy change and
I can feel us getting giddy.I was trying to protect my old fresh
teacher. You're fucking character assassinated.You get out here. So the attempts

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to remedy it were largely based onconjecture. In many cases, musicians were
brought into play for the dancers underthe belief that music might cure or alleviate
the condition. So they're dancing awaywithout music mad. It's like they're in
a fucking silent disco. Ironically,this sometimes exacerbated the situation by attracting more
participants. This can't be really,this seems like someone just made In history,

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the root causes of dancing mania remainsa topic of debate amongst historians and
scholars today, with no agreed uponexplanation. I love to be a scholar
in the time that dads swept throughEurope like locusts. That's your favorite songs
about dancing? She's a maniack madiackon the floor. I forgot that,

(13:31):
or I'll do a different one that'snot as loud. Whisper and trying to
I got to let it out.What else? What else was his dance
song? And I Think You're Bedwas dancing when I was twelve. House

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dancing was what you've done as you'vegone for an actually good into the room.
I like Mark Bolmo dance himtulf intoa few wombs, twinkle toes.
Yeah, that was you won't foolthe children of Yeah, we love the

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Boomy Booie. You just liked himbecause he was in a band that was
named after a dinosaur that was initialattraction happened, and then I found out
that they're actually quite I also likeMasterdon for the second uh dancing them and

(14:46):
Rhythm is a dancer. I'm asserious as cancer when I say rhythm is
one of the best lines in allof music. Dance yourself clean? Is
that the l C or dancer stufffree? Dance your stuff clean? I
think, isn't it? I'm notsure. Great song and I don't even
know the title, but I onlyknow their song someone New that I like
that brilliant. They're fucking all theirlisten to their albums, will I'm too

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busy to listen to Alison James listento telling him one thing. Yeah,
listen to me. Listen to me. I kept that low. If they
can hear that, then they've gotagainst they come to snuff to Rooster.
Actually can't sings? Everyone can?You can? You can really high notes

(15:33):
if you if you keep your voice, it's like two octaves. That's good.
It's a don't just have clean aswe dance yourself clean. Yeah,

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if only Lane Staley could have dancedhimself clean, he might have died of
a heroin overdose. Best. Sonow we're going to find blemen and the
boogie Michael Jackson children, it's notnow with Joe Jackson not answer something he

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did. The phenomenon historically known asdancing mania, which was initially interpreted as
a curse believed to be sent bythe saint, often Saint John the Baptist
Bastard or sent Vitus Count or SaintJohn's Dance. This interpretation that victims to

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conclude their frenzy dances out sites dedicatedto their saints, seeking their intercession to
bring an end to their affliction.The timing of these outbreaks frequently coincided em
with the feast of Saint Vitus orVitus, suggesting a link between the events
and religious observances. This is important. The esteemed Paracelsus or yeah, I

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suppose it is paracel isn't it Well, he sounds like a pain killer.
He was the first to coin theterm for the condition, marking a significant
point in the historical It's quite funny. What would you if you came home
and here was just dancing, andshe could see she's crying and she sweats

(17:19):
robbers, I can't stop. She'sjust in the kitchen, just like around
the place, just having a terribledancing up. Robert help me. Robert
spind probably put off tiktokis and followersbecause that's what they love apparently, Like

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I don't know, I've never beena time square at all, but like
there's a bunch of these fucking weirdor ghoules, but they're all dancing and
they're like trying to get like,hey, you want to dance, Like
we'll put your fucking child in thedance tiktalk video with this and all you
can come and dance. And you'relike, what the fuck has gone on
with people? Like like it's weird, Like dancing is weird on it because
I love looking at a good dancer. At the same time, when I

(18:07):
see someone dancing on TikTok, Ifeel do you remember when we were high
on pantrums last week and our braincells were like falling off? Like that's
how I feel when I watch theoneon TikTok dancing. For some reason,
I think it's because like it's likesolvents to me basically. Yeah, but
there's the thing about when you justtake a pick, take a thing at
yourself, because it's like cloud chasing. It's like like, look at I'm

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doing this bullshit. If you havelike a troop of eight people that are
doing this match or dance, you'relike, that's cool. In the studio,
it's fantastic. If you're a professionaldancer. If you're an amateur dancer,
that you're and you're going to getgood. But these lads that are
doing it on the fucking subway andall, and people are trying to go
to work and there's a motherfucker doinglike some fucking you know, just be

(18:51):
on his cat dancing. What's theone fucking singing in the rain. He's
trying to do a little dance aroundand they're like, get out of there.
What are you doing on the subway? But the subboy, especially in
some is there weird stuff that happens. I saw that dresses Caine put a
fellow through a table on the Lewisand that was very impressive. There's a
video someone send me and Kane likethe table and puts on the red line.

(19:15):
That's crazy. I love if everymethod of transportation had live wrestling,
that'd be awesome. But no,I think there is something about dancing.
We'll get into a letter. Thisall ties into a This is all important
people to someone who'll store married toa Latin American woman. She just has

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natural rhythm. She just does stufflike she just like I'm about to eat,
dance making or something, and she'sjust really good out of sitting down
in the chairs like she does.And I can't do that. Is that
a wrestle star type? If Iget into her what I want, I'm
only married to the one Latin Americanwoman, So I can't speak for the
rest. You know that the continent? What about all our listeners of podcast

(19:57):
them and he'll go out with LatinAmericans now they're they're wanting the Emino experience,
and then they find out that theydon't have rhythm. They find out
that rhythm is not actually a dnswer. Well, that's as serious as cancer
if you're Latin American and you haveno rhythm like they just those they're dancing
people. What's interesting is that Ithink that we were so pure and that

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maybe we had to turn comes backto the Latin Americans there the hips,
the hips didn't lie? Is thatis that loano? Because if your neighbors
be banging on that door, it'sactually now we're it's actually quite late.
We can do what we want fiveminutes ago legally, but by the seventeenth

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century, what was one saying isa supernatural or divine punishment was reclassified medically
as sydonym korea, a term stillused today to describe a condition with symptoms
that murderers absorbed when dancing. Manystill happens, apparently including involuntary movements that
resemble dancing. Despite this, regardlike getting onto people who have palsy and

(21:06):
stuff like that back in the day. Yeah, well but not or not.
Despite this reclassification, the original termdancing mania has been retained to describe
various historical outbreaks, also referred toas an epidemic career or epidemic dancing chorea.
I suppose it probably the right way. These terms highlight the condition's impact
on the nervous system, so sometheories unconvincingly possible as a type of epileps

(21:33):
s again forgetting the blame. That'sreally fucked up. Don't even call that
dancing. He's dancing, face convulsingon the floor, he's frothing from the
mouth. Yeah, I did anepleptic, and it's actually terrifying. There's
there's no part of me that wouldgo having an dance. It's more it's

(21:56):
less dance, more ambulance. Butit's like that scary. I wonder what
that hold up in court? ShouldI just thought he was dancing that man,
I'm sure, Like statistically, I'msure we have a couple of listeners
that have epilepsy. It's a fuckingscary thing for people that are only observing.

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And I'm sure we have people thatgo out with people that are epilepsy.
It's fuck me. It's all toughas well, because like I know
a guy who's son is epileptics aboutEddie and like he han't really worked,
like because he keeps having fits inwork, and like the health and safety
and work is like we have toput him on something. Well, for
it's his first job. He's inMcDonald's. Like so they're like we have

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to basically can't put him there,friars, can't put him there. Anything
hot has to be like somewhere outof harm's way, basically in the jacks
not because he could fall down thetoilet and drown. So what can you
do in McDonald's That leves you tolike, like what's the safe and pay
and pay working at the counter orif he falls down, the slaps head

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off the ta. That's kind ofI suppose like they've tried to mitigate at
that point. You yeah, butagain sh ship bos. But over time,
interpretations of evolved, with some modernscientists characterizing dancing many as a form
of collective mental disorder. Collective hystericaldisorder, which was hysterics was like a
good term for like theres to justput that on women that the wandering womb,

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wondering mass madness was another term forthis. These descriptions reflect the shift
from viewing the phenomenon as a religiousor supernatural course to understanding it as a
psychological or neurological disorder which affected largegroups of people. And let's go into
some of the early cases here.I'm glad you've asked me to do that,

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because the earliest known outbreak of dancingmania occurred in the seventh century,
and it reappeared many times across Europeuntil about the seventeenth century when it stopped.
So that's like a thousand years ofdance, Yes, dancing, that's
great around. So one of theearliest known incidents occurred sometime in the in

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the ten twenties in Bernberg, whereeighteen, peasants began singing and dancing around
the church, disturbing a Christmas Eveservice. Christmas, that's terrible. I
wonder what the Christmas Day was like. Another incident in twelve seventy eight involved
about two hundred people dancing on abridge over the river Muse. Is that

(24:33):
right? Right? Yeah, that'sright. So it's still probably resulting in
its collapse. Jesus the bridge.They danced the bridge, bridge, bridge
on the bridge will slap. Manyof the survivors were restored to full health
at a nearby chapel dedicorated to SaintVitus the Man. One hundred and thirty

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four. The first major outbreak ofthe main oh Sorry thirteen seventy three.
Thirty to seventy four so instance werereported in England, to Germany and the
Netherlands. On the twenty fourth ofJune thirteen seventy four, a significant outbreak
of what is known as dancing maniaerupted in Achen. Goddess it was that

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Jaron, Maybe I can't help I'mdancing around the use what I'm doing?
So in terrupts in Achen, quicklydispersing to various locales, including Cologne,
Flanders, Franconia, Hainaut, Metz, Strausburg, Tongue, Garen, Utrecht,

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and even as far as Italy andLuxembourg. Little baby looks everywhere.
That's just like most of Central Europe, like it's dancing themselves to death.
Dance has gone for father bizarre.But this, this is what I love
about history, is like we thinkI find I was like, oh,

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I used to be big giant monstersthat just controlled most of the earth,
all of the earth, and like, oh, actually it wasn't that long
ago. It was just a fewhundred years ago. Lads were dancing themselves
to death in central Europe. Thisis a point I'm going to bring up
later on. But I'm kind oflike stories like this and episodes like this,
Like the main episode is in thedancing plague truely Europe. I wonder

(26:25):
where humans just a bit of fuckingtick back then, like they're just to
do and we're going to get tothat later, so take it away.
So this event marked the beginning ofa series of occurrences that spanned the next
several years, with notable episodes reportedin thirteen seventy five and thirteen seventy six.
Across France Germany, and it's likethat such a bass subspace at an

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additional outbreak in August and Sorry inAugsburg in thirteen eighty one. The phenomenon
persisted into the fifteenth century, witha documented incident in fourteen eighteen in Straussburg
where a period of fasting preceded themania, suggesting exhaustion as a possible catalyst.
In the same Vein fourteen twenty eightI saw a tragic event in Schaushausen

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where a monk danced his demise anda group of women in Zurich were caught
in a similar frenzy. Which actuallymust actually ask brother Richard as he heard
of that monk, because like usuallymonks are quite up on the other monks,
like they'll know, yeah, yeah, all of the monk history of
like everyone, you wonder because somethingbecause you know, people used to flagellate

(27:33):
themselves and stuff like that to likereach like you talked about in the mini
fos last week, the fellow whotook yips in the mask to get closer
to God? Was he trying todance himself into glory or something like that?
Foster the Jesus. But then alsoif you were God. These kind
of things sound like the Sims.It sounds like what you would do into

(27:56):
civilization if he didn't really care.I'm gonna dance until he dies because it's
dinner time in fifteen minutes, andit just seems like a fun thing.
And yeah, maybe it's it islike the same. Maybe it's more like
the same as with monks because they'recloser to God, so like God has
more control over is like, soGod is like I can put like Michael
Jackson dance on you, like whereaswith the other lads, I can only

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put maybe a bit of a shuffleor something, the Harlem shuffle on the
lads. But because you're one ofmy followers and you listen to me,
you're going to be the one likeproper, like of one day just woke
up and you could hear God's voiceyou head just being like dance, Robert,
I have chosen you from I loveto have an ex clue and I
can't dance, but I'd love tohave an excuse I negotiate with God.

(28:41):
I'd be like, listen, I'lldo all that ship, but will you
let me clear? Final Fantasy sevenfirst story set, because like it is
a wireless control and I can probablydo a bit of dancing. I'd like
to commit myself more so to thestory you are much like myself where we
look like them. I have outsidethe car deaderships in America blown try and
dance too lanky and long. Itdoesn't work like and we have not.

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That's another problem. Sometimes you seethem lads that are real tall and they're
like doing flippy ship and they're they'regreat at it. Yeah, I just
don't have it. I never feltlike that as a tall person. I
always felt more like Cumberson. Yeah, kind of a long baggage. I
felt like a giant birch. Youwere a bit a bit athletic, all
right though you just one time bombsand all tricks and all. I'd say,

(29:26):
to be fair, yeah, Ilike I like to do flippy shit.
But like if I had like dance, maybe I could have been good
at it. But I like tojust like, yeah, I like to
do that stuff when I was younger, But also I think dance. I
think in Ireland. The problem withit is a lot of us are very
reserved and so we didn't want tolook right. Because I tell you about
right, you look at Michael Jacksonon TV right to pull up some on

(29:48):
YouTube and you watch like Blaming onthe Boogie or smoke Criminal or fucking whatever
anything. You watch them and you'relike, fuck, that's all good.
I want to emu let that.Right, And you spend your home,
you're fucking trying every day or sweatingdoing the hooks, you're setting your hair,
you're settings, and then you're like, I finally mastered it. That's

(30:11):
it, I've got it. Andthen you go down to the nightclub.
You got into the club hair andexperts, and you clear the dance floor
and you start doing that. Sothat's gonna throw a glass at something.
It's going to just there's only oneMichael Jackson and it's not you, And
then you're like fuck. Like sothat's probably why non hair really batters.
Like there's not a culture of likedoing ship like that. Yeah, you

(30:33):
know, it's like like there's justwe you kind of like I think in
general, Irish people like kind oflike people who like pretend they're bad at
something, but they've actually got atYeah. So dancing doesn't talk about it.
Dancing doesn't lend well to that becauseit's just so flamboyant that it's undeniable,
because that's the thing spend time thelong reason. Michael Flatley, I

(30:56):
think was able to be an irishmanwho was good at dancing because he was
an ira Yeah that's why. Solike like he see the Americans with a
confidence that we don't have Irish people, or at least that was the case
before. Like I remember being aroundAmerican people. That's like holy ship,
Like they just speak their minds muchlonger forward, a lot more forward.

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You'll be shamed, yeah, orlike repressed Irish repressed your dancing down in
the stars on the weekend. It'slike I could never The only time I
ever danced in my life was whenI was trying to get the shift.
That was it. If you seeme, I'm the dancelor at any time
I was trying to get But theother part as well, when you're on
the dance floor trying to get theshift, it's not like you're surrounded by

(31:38):
all these class Michael Jackson level dancers. You're surrounded by other fucking dopes trying
to get the shift who can't danceeither. But women have you know,
women after there was like literally movedtheir hips a bit and you're like,
oh, they're dancing. Yeah,but if you just move, looky brasseel
creeper, the groovy creeper over there. A lot of the dance, it's

(32:01):
just like it's just awful. Rightly, they're like they lost that awful dance
and class be able to dance learned. Now I've enough things to be learning.
Yeah, yeah right. One ofthe most documented episodes took place in

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July fifteen eighteen in Strasbourg, famouslyreferred to as the Dancing Plague of fifteen
eighteen. This instance began with asingle woman's dance in the streets, which
escalated as an estimated even this estimationfifty to four hundred people like, just
come on, very fifty pat,that's pretty good. They joined in with

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this frenetic activity. It was alsoreported to have lasted for weeks. So
now we're going to find out whothis woman was who led these dances.
So the upbreak began in July fifteeneighteen when a woman called Frau Trofea began
to dance formently and can probably inthe street in Strasbourg. I just can't,
I just can't one control my feet. I just can't. I just

(33:07):
can't. I just can't control myfeet. So tra kept up the constant
dancing for a week. Soon threedozen others joined in. That's what I'm
saying about where people just dull thenwhere they were like, if you dance,
someone's just dancing. I think,though, if you dance long enough,
people will join in. If Ijust danced non stop outside for a

(33:28):
week, I bet someone had joinit. Try it. I think we
should. So by August, thedancing player could climbed four hundred victims.
Dancers were beginning to collapse. Ithas said that some even died from a
strong or a heart attack. Noone knew what caused this reaction, which
meant no one understood how to remedyit. By early September, the airbreak

(33:51):
began to subside when the dancers weresent to a mountain trying to pray for
absolution that mountain and get that dance. People dance up the mountain. Give
me this fucking trying. Now youlearn as you're going up. That's like
after a couple of like faith,you're like, imagine trying to dance up

(34:15):
like snowdon Yeah, like that's nothappening. Yeah, yeah. So.
Historical documents, including physician notes,cathedral sarmons, local and regional chronicles,
and even notes issued by the StrasbourgCity Council are clear that the victims danced,
but it is not known why.Historical sources all agree that there was
an outbreak of dancing after a singlewoman started to dance, and the dancing

(34:37):
didn't die down. Like, Idon't have much to go on here.
It lasted for such a long timethat even had attracted the attention of the
authorities, until the council gave upauthority to physicians, who then said to
prescribe the afflicted to dance themselves freeof it with dance yourself Freeze is a

(35:00):
bit of a phrase, right,dance yourself free because dancing sort of denotes
freedom in itself, freedom of movement, freedom of expressional liberation. Yeah,
and you're not, you're not maybemaybe. Yeah. They were trying to
dance their way out of dancing.Kind of a bit of eroticism. It
is, well, it depends onthe dance. Like most of the lord

(35:22):
of the dance, most of them. I mean, if you're watching Michael
Flatley, you know he's doing He'sdone well for himself some American Irish American
Irish. Yeah, I like todance and I did The Lord of the
Dance from Ireland. Yeah, someman like him shaking the ground. Your

(35:47):
pants are falling office he's dancing.Is it the thing? Because women dance,
they get a bit sensual. Ifyou're dancing with a woman, you're
you're actually really going to dancing.You're flicking around the place. I think
in Ireland probably that doesn't matter you'remuscular. I think they just have to
make sure you're not fucking I thinkIrish member are more like is he a

(36:07):
fucking asion or not? That's thebig thing. And the thing is if
you do start dancing really impressive inIreland, that can work well. It
can serve you well in Ireland.To be a bit mess we sort of
say it to a Gardland of dancearm it's a bit ship. And sometimes
that actually works. They're like,yeah, you're right, it's a bit
ship. The other thing is thoughthat this is this is when we came

(36:28):
up. We don't know what thenew generation Zoomers are. I'd say they're
dancing well, zoomers are fucking Idon't even know they're playing rollblocks or something,
dancelor I don't know what they do. They're afraid to go out to
nightclubs. Are the night clubs aregoing to collapse because they are there going
either literally dancing and dying. Man, is it only thirty percent of like

(36:49):
the twenty somethings are in relationships nowand they're all just freaking out and they're
nervous and they don't like it.They want to play Final Fantasy seven,
which makes perfect sense. No,I'm more are like, I think I'd
imagine that there's a lot less hope. I'd said his arms have about as
much hope as we did because wehad none. But we were just like

(37:10):
whatever, Yeah, so I mean, you know whatever. But there are
clients that guildhalls at the time wererefurbished to comminate the dancing, as well
as musicians and strong people to helpkeep those dealing with the dancing menu to
stay upright. So they were holdingthem up as they were that they're really
they're they're they're refurbishing places. Thedancing is going somewhere that's incredible. So

(37:34):
this backfire, of course, andthe council was forced to ban public dancing
as people danced in fair it washedit was a punishment from Saint Vitus or
Vetus and to be free of saying, many joined in on the dancing epidemic.
So that's what they were worried about, right, They thought it was
a bit of a car song orsomething. The council went as far as
the band music as well, bandmusic outright get rid of it. Those

(38:00):
who danced were then ordered to goto the shrine of same Factus. There
were red shoes that were sprinkled withholy water and had pener crosses on the
tops of the salts. Now thisis interesting, this this whole thing about
banning music and religion, right,because we had in the I was watching
that my fucking fairly ghach. NowPriscilla was a film about Priscilla Prisley,

(38:25):
oh with the one where she's likefourteen and yes, actually, which I
was surprised by because I was likeglorifying this ship. Yeah, well they
didn't show Now he wasn't like theydidn't pay them out to be a big
pedo. But to be fair,back in the fifties, that was probably
a lot more normal than it isnowadays. Yeah, it was weird.
I just read about yeah, alot less weird. I just read about

(38:50):
a guy today who is facing Ithink he was sentenced to jail. But
basically he was like catfished by oneof those pedo hunting groups. But he
wasn't actually in any of the forums, but they just went from and they
were like going to be fourteen.He was like, I'm a bit over
for you, and they were like, nah, Diddy's not and they sort
of entrapped them. Yeah, andso there's a it's a strange legal case.
We're obviously like, whether you're gettingtrapped by a fourteen year old that

(39:13):
you think is real or not,you shouldn't be involved in that. But
it is funny that like only fiftyto seventy years ago, like that was
way more normal in society. Well, what I was gonna get is it
was the bart I suppose, andit was there before, I suppose,
but this was the first time,like I could a personality where you had

(39:37):
celebrities like Elvis right and led Zeppelin, Beatles, the Doors, all these
big acts around that time, rollsons and shit like basically because they had
access to the system. And yeah, they got access to the system by
being quite good, but they wereable to get the channels for distribution and
all this stuff to where like therewas they had so much exposure and so

(40:00):
much influence that these were just people. We've often said about the part that
was like just we're just us,right, so are these fucking people.
But now some of these people havemore influence than the Church amongst certain demographics.
So you're looking at, like said, the teenage demographic right at the

(40:22):
time, like they were totally lostto like rock and roll stars. So
you're saying that a twenty five yearold would have been like, fuck off,
it's not even that. It's notabout it. I'm not talking about
that thing. I'm just saying general. I'm talking about Yeah, I'm talking
about influence, and I'm talking aboutcelebrity, and I'm talking about how religion
at times back then they were threatenedby people dancing because of fair of the

(40:45):
carse. But in modern times theywere threatened by sort of a cult of
personality and dance as well dance andmusic. So it was another time where
music was under The Church viewed musicas a problem like this is a for
whatever reason. When I was doingthese nots, I was like, what
is it then about music, andI was thinking it taps into your like

(41:07):
primal and your your primal rhythm isthe same thing that probably there's an energy
of that that's sexual and church arefreaking out about that, but I think
you're exactly Like have you ever seenlike a kid who starts to dance and
they they might do it awkwardly,but there's a kind of a natural sort

(41:28):
of they're like they know, yeah, but they understand that, like,
oh, I like to dance,my body likes to move to this beat.
Yeah, you know. It's coolman, It's it's it's very but
the thing is it's very human ona sort of an animalistic level. Yeah,
And this is something that we've kindof toyed with in the past,

(41:50):
where like does did religion a margein a sense to try and kind of
intentionally and probably for the better ultimately, I'm a lot of people try to
add civil civilian to try and removethe dingle barry shak and fucking dancing around,
right, we needed and there's areason why all those religions have such
a similar arc to you know,an archetype, because like that was probably

(42:15):
now there's other people that would saythat actually the reason they all have that
is because it was Aliens that camedown and sort of trying to move us
in that direction, and that's whythey're similar. But I do think regardless
of what it may have been,it's us trying to move from an animal
into what we are now. Maybewe can stride fast on this podcast,
like say that where you're gonna laughor just let it go. And I

(42:40):
was like, yeah, I guesswe're here now, we're four years in.
This is just what we're talking about. Expression. This is like,
this is how it gets away fromyou. This is the first step to
like being in the pub where youthink what you're saying perfect sense and everyone
thinks you're complete. It's aliens,or it's a rhythm that joy increase their

(43:07):
civility and established civilization, or itwas aliens, and I still think that
they're both. The other reason,I'm sort of observing that more so than
anything as sort of a hilarious consequenceof having this podcast. But yeah,
it's entirely true. It's I mean, there's something to us. There's definitely

(43:29):
reasons why they didn't like dancing,and it's just funny. It's fun to
kind of hypothesize why. But let'stry and peel back the or got ridden
onion and find out what caused thisdancing. So as we as we alluded
to before, I got the mainculprit of any weird behavior, because it

(43:51):
isn't around time we have lads beenlike, I'm a fucking werewolf. Yeah,
you're witches. Like, it's aroundthe same time when they want to
be fair. It's a thousand,so it's encapsulated a lot of time.
So some believe the dancing could havebeen brought on by the food poisoning caused
by the toxic and psychoactive chemical productsof ergot fungi. Ergotism, which grows

(44:13):
commonly on grains such as rye usedfor baking bread. Ergotamine is the main
psychoactive in product of ergot fungi.It is structurally related to the drug lysergic
acid dialectic diethylamide LSD twenty five andis the substance from which LSD was originally
synthesized. All right, it issome kind of tune in elish behavior.

(44:37):
In the waves of chaos, Iheard an interesting thing. It won't spend
long on this, but I heardan interesting thing recently where they said is
the reason that so many serial killersstarted to come into society around the seventies
and eighties because of all the peoplethat had fried their brains out on acids,
that you were birthing children that justweren't right, or you were yourself

(44:58):
becoming someone who didn't understand the havea grasp on on on the morality as
well. There's lots of links,like to things that are fairly prevalent health
conditions nowadays, to where you know, I think there was a study that
came out fairly recently where use ofSSR rise during pregnancy had fairly strong ties

(45:22):
with autism and children. Yeah,that one surprives me so now again look
holding my hands off her. Don'tknow fucking shit about anything to do with
it. But that's just a studythat I read. But that's an example.
They've recently found that ninety one percentof people who pick their noses have

(45:44):
dementia, And I think the ideais that bacteria from your fingers from going
into your nose. But then theother side of it is, well,
how many people pick their noses ingeneral, So that would be a correlage.
Mother fucking picture and exactly, andlike there there's what's the other one?
I read at somewhere that said like, oh, there could be something
to do with toxo plasmos is causingschizophrenia. Yeah, because fifty percent of

(46:07):
people who had cats as young peopleare schizophrenic. And it's like, yeah,
like what's the size you're looking at? Like does that does that actually
make sense? Or as it justgenerally speaking about fifty percent of people had
cats when they were younger, becausethat probably makes sense to Yeah, And
it's like my sinus is the thingabout the dimension thing, like there's worship

(46:28):
up my sinus is what's not myfinger? Like yeah, there's mucking ghak
up there from gardens. Broken mynose two or three times, so I
constantly have like just dried snots onthe back my nose bad white from like
godenals. When I'm like not literallylike you know, my nose as there's

(46:49):
mock up there that the bacteria frommy finger, now the wouldn't penetrate they
see it. I need the sergeantto get the mock out. That's why
I'm saw, do you know whatI mean? There's not like there's not
nothing like that. So but that'san interesting thing that they reckon that.
But to say that fucking dimension linkwith everything, but this is ADHD,
They're like, Oh, if you'renot medicared to Freddie HG, you're gonna

(47:10):
get fucking dementia. This ship.I think it's the same thing with autism
because they don't fully understand it.They can just say, like they're looking
for links. Let's be honest,they're looking for links. Yeah, They're
looking for like tangible links to golike this is this is definitely a thread,
a little crypt a little crypt.So I sometimes think that maybe autism

(47:39):
is part of the road of usevolving to be indifferent. But like maybe,
but like, yeah, there's alot of people that would probably say
that that like that that's an awfulthing to say, But I don't think
I don't mean it in an awfulway. I know I get you And
to say I'm with Eddie HD.Sometimes sometimes you wonder what EDDHD because like
the hyper focus part of ADHD isamazing because like you literally there was someone

(48:02):
on the HDT I I resonated withit. I was like it was like,
does anyone ever like oscillate between feelinglike they can take on the world
and do everything to all one paycheckyfrom being homeless. And it's like,
yeah, absolutely, that's like that'sabsolute. But if with ADHD, like

(48:23):
you had like a hyper focus,if you were able to just do that
hyper focus and just stay on it, that's the problem with it is a
lot of people don't. But like, if you could, that's basically a
superpower. Yeah, Like you canabsorb when you're hyper focus into something a
lot of information quickly to where likeyou can be not an expert at all,

(48:45):
but you can have a decent conversationabout the merits of whatever it is
that you're interested in. So thatwould seem for those people that can harness
that, that would seem like maybea little bit of a art to something.
Imagine you could combine and you mightget into sort of eugenics and and
all that, but imagine you cancombine hyper focus a photographic memory. Like

(49:09):
with those two things, you wouldbe virtually unstoppable. Yeah, you know,
because you like you have a superveracity when you're like you're hyper focus
into something and you really can't,like you feel almost like an octopus because
you're and like every tentacle is graband something from that, Like I felt
like that when we first started thepodcast, I was able to do about

(49:30):
fifteen things at once, and thenit's sort of peters down. What I
read about is something with dobamine,like people with people with eddisha or a
lot of noordy virgins. They don'thave hyd dopamine, so so they get
a hit from it. They gota hit from it, but that hit
doesn't necessarily last. And then whenthat hit goals, that's when you try

(49:52):
and seek something else that gives youa hit, which is why you get
into that kind of like and somepeople it's like trill syking behavior, you
know, anywhere, trying to chasesomething to get that dopamine again, because
I think a lot of these thingsare fucking dopamine disorders. Really yeah,
And again, rains are just anerd all over the place. We can't

(50:12):
really understand them. Even we've seenthe parts that are like, you know,
bit of tech, bit of rogies. That'll be fine. So speaking
of brains and LSD, the samefungus has also been implicated in other major
historical anomalies, including the Salem witchTrials. Do you have some kind of
witch ergotism? Is the name forsometimes severe pathological syndromes affecting humans or other

(50:36):
animals that have ingested plant materials containingergot alkaloids, such as ergot contaminated grains.
The Hospital Brothers of Saint Anthony,an order of monks established in ten
ninety five, specialized in treating ergotismvictims with bams containing tranquilizing and circulation stimulating
plant extracts. Pretty cool that theysound like to be fun to take,

(50:58):
just without being on the common namefor ergotism is Saint Anthony's Fire, in
reference to this order of monks andthe severe burning sensations in the limbs,
which was one of the symptoms.There are two types of ergotism. The
verst is characterized by muscle spadams,fever, and hallucinations, and the victims
may appear dazed, be unable tospeak, become manic, or have other

(51:20):
forms of paralysis or tremors, andsuffer from hallucinations and other disordered perceptions.
This is caused by serotone ergic serotonergicstimulation of the central nervous system by some
of the alkaloids. The second typeof ergotism is marked by violent burning absent
peripheral pulses and shooting pain of thepoorly vascularized distal organs such as the fingers

(51:44):
and towels the capillaries and are causedby effects of alkaloids on the vascular system
due to vasco constriction. I thinkhe sailed around the world, sometimes leading
to gangreene and loss of limbs dueto severely restricted blood Circistically, it doesn't
sound fall not at all. Butinterestingly, argitism is the earliest recorded example

(52:06):
of mixo toxicosis or poisoning caused bytoxic molds. Yeah, micro toxic,
So Michael is shrooms, micro MichaelMichael some my celium as all troum affiliated
Michael stuff scroom. That could beMichael tables. But yeah, that isn't

(52:29):
that interesting. That's the first recordedcase of a poison was by a toxic
mold. Very interesting. So basicallywe've got a couple of other theories here.
This could have been an example ofa fully developed case of psychogenic movement
disorder, which is happening in amass hysteria or mass psychogenic illness, which

(52:52):
involves many individuals suddenly exhibiting the samebizarre behavior. The behavior spreads rapidly and
broadly in an epidemic pattern. Youkind of see this when you know sometimes
you might see say someone running awayfrom something you don't know why they're run
away from. Yeah, but you'relike, so that kind of thing,

(53:16):
this kind of compartment could have beencaused by elevated levels of psychological stress caused
by the rootless years. Even bythat's what we're rootless years. These were
rough standards of the early modern period. The people of Alsace were suffering this,
and so you're talking at the time. These regions were hit with famines,

(53:40):
regular droughts, regular You would kindof have a bit if I saw
someone dancing and I was living thatlife, I might be like, yeah,
well, yeah, what you haveto remember a suse is we're like
modern happiness standards on people that livedown. Yeah, let's say you're from
a fucking village of a couple ofhundred and like, it's just normal for

(54:00):
people to die like young, old, middle aged everyone. It's just normal
for people to die in ways thatyou can't interfere with, you can't help,
you know, And there's no suchthing as happiness then, not like
that, you don't you know thatthe feeling of happy is there but the
fact that we like strive to behappy and that doesn't exist back then.

(54:21):
I wonder as our happiness as ahas has happiness as in them all should
being conditioned in a good way.Because we are now we have less to
worry about. I think that,yeah, we can. There's a hard
look at I think human beings,contemporary human beings hold happiness up to a

(54:42):
much higher position than it should havein your life. Like, I don't
think it's happiness. I hate beinghappy. I love being miserable. I
love no. I think like it'sif you if you base like everything that
you do just on how happy youare, which is not a bad metric
if you can stay happy. Ithink the problem is that when you try
to be happy all the time,you stop being happy. It's like,

(55:04):
you know, the more you focuson something, the more difficult it becomes
to achieve. And in terms ofan emotional state, whereas actually a little
bit of suffering, a little bithard work, all that it works and
then you get rewarded for that.But yeah, that was a good day's
work. Like the podcast, there'stimes we do this and we're like Jesus
can do without this today, youknow, but you've committed to it and

(55:25):
you're you're it's a good it's alwaysa good feeling when you finish. I
never left one of these and beenlike, I hate this podcast models.
Can I say everyone is gay?Yeah? Is that the way the original
went? I like you that allhis songs recovers I believe the lights out
entertainer. Waller speculates that the dancingwas stress and juice. But I didn't

(55:57):
realize did you have your little eagerOh sorry, you're I mean, I'm
in tarantism Jesus and my apologies there. When I started, I never knew
who he was. And when Istarted, when I started singing the you
know, you know, we wentand said, but I think and we
might be onto something where basically everyonewas fucking miserable at the time. So

(56:23):
now wall specials. I don't havehis first name here. It was in
the notes, probably before I trimmedthem, but probably not. Amanda Waller,
who was not responsible for the suicidesquad and speculat that dancing was stress
and juice psychosis on a mass level, since the region where that people dance
was riddled with starvation and disease,and the inhabitants tended to be superstitious.

(56:45):
Seven other cases of dancing players werereported in the same region, Jurning medieval
This psychogenic illness could have created achorea, which is from the Greek korea,
which means to dance, a situationcomprising random and intricate, unintentional movements
that flit from body part to bodypart, diverse core is, which is

(57:07):
sent Vitus's dance, Saint John's dance, and tarrant Ism were labeled in the
Middle Ages, referring to the independentepidemics of dancing many that happened in Central
Europe, particularly the time of thewell. I wonder then at the time
of the plague, is it justlike a kind of a reaction to the
chaos around you that seems mad,but it's actually almost a form of super

(57:30):
sanity? Is it? Like postmodern sort of? Are the boys just
like their meta They're like making alaugh of the of the hall? This
terrible, Like here's a guy besidesme dying of fucking typhus, But look
at me, I'm doing a jakeI'm doing with the robot. Imagine like

(57:52):
imagine it was like patons of likeyou know, like tapestries and ship of
lads in rawbot position dances. It'snot last like legitimately, like that's one
of them, you know, likethe mobile phone time traveler pictures. Yeah,
imagine we had that like the robotwas a robot because that caused some

(58:15):
serious things. But imagine then youhave like a load of white Europeans inventive
breakdancing. That would that people wouldnot be bread dancing his break dancing.
Listen, there's no they know.Sorry, I we're saying, how would
they know what the robot is?That's I'm saying. Imagination is vast.
They dreamed if they knew that ifthey were doing the robots. There's time

(58:37):
traveler implications. What if it wasa time traveler went back showed them lads,
I'd love to go back in timeand showed lads how to do the
role. He went back, Hewent back in time to this village right
worry went there was a lot oflads and ditches type never doing and he
went up too many went, Iknow what need I'm gonna tell him about

(58:59):
robots and the way that they canThe only way that they convey what the
robot is is if the dance likeone. Imagine the only music you would
ever heard before was like the lute, and somebody comes back with daft punk
and how to do the robot witha element or whatever. There's a lot
less a lot of a lot ofwood win to like and they're all dancing

(59:30):
there like this guy show us howto do the robot. And to be
fair, if I walked out intothe streets, haven't never seen a robot
dance and someone was doing the robot, I'd probably be like, you need
to kinds on me how to dothat? And was bought together. Let's
how does that work? As amatter of fact, if I was dying
of if I had if I haddysentery, or to do the robot.

(01:00:02):
If I was in the trench andI was looking up and I see a
load of the row about the sunshinein front of Imagine World War One in
the trenches and the lads of justthere's so much of this ship time they
just start doing the rowbot towards theenemy lines. I tell you it's if

(01:00:22):
you're dying a colera and some ladtells you, if you do this raw
butt, you're going to cure yourself. Even if you're not going to cure
yourself. What dye in a coleraor dye a color while doing the rowbat?
Do? Yeah, do you wantto thank you a favor? Or
do you want to do a robot? So, yeah, I suppose from
there then we will go on totarrantism. This is another theory with a

(01:00:46):
very cool name. Yeah, verygood name. So in Italy a similar
phenomenon was tarrantism, in which thevictims were said to have been poisoned by
a tarantula spider. I think theactually, I think there probably is a

(01:01:07):
spider called the dance a spider probably, Yeah, maybe it does some sort
of mate. Yeah, that's prettygood. Its earliest known outbreak was in
the thirteenth century. But like inItaly, they wouldn't have had had taran
toolers in Italy in the thirteenth century. Yeah, okay, right on,
yeah, okay, So an earliestknown outbreak was in the thirteenth century,

(01:01:28):
and the only antidote known was todance to particular music daft punk to separate
the pipes. Yeah, lord oflads doing the slow roll, but fucking
harder, better, faster? Wasthe massive attack on tears? Was it?

(01:01:50):
There's a massive attack. I reallywouldn't dance to that, chum.
Well, if you're going to dothe road, might do some other Yeah,
some yellow Headed dance metadon, theydance to that song. That'd be
pretty That sounds like a fun afternoonmethadone and trying to dance to massive sounds
pretty cool. Next live podcast onYellowhead trying to listen to the room.

(01:02:22):
It wouldn't be the first. No, we won't be the first and will
not be the last, and infact we know that people the first either.
So as with dancing mania, peoplewould suddenly begin to dance, sometimes
affected by a perceived bite or sting, and we're then joined by others who
believe the venom from their old bite, from their own old bites, was
reactivated by the heat or the music. Class It's like it's like an acid

(01:02:45):
flashback. So maybe this is somesort of got stuff. Dancers would perform
a tarantella accompanied by music, whichwould eventually cure the victim, at least
temporarily dance the pies. So thatsounds like a sort of a social contagion
where you believe something strong enough toknow there might be something to it,

(01:03:07):
because like you know there like bitesthat paralyzing and ship Well, there's one
spider and it's the wandering Brazilian wanderingspider that when it bites you like they're
trying to figure out how to makedick pills. So yeah, so now
you can see why something that theywould start to they would think the dance
to avoid the rig marches dance.Even in Lord of the Rings when she

(01:03:30):
has a bit fucking fra off,you just had the fucking Harlem shake.
You would have got away if youjust started doing things. It looks like
your legs And as with Dancing Maniaparticipants, oh actually did I Some participated
in further activities such as tying themselvesup with vines and whipping each other pretending

(01:03:52):
to it's like like drinking large amountsof wine that they're the mes Nean lads
again and jumping into the sea.Funny, I should mention children. Actually,
when I was doing these knots,I read about the remember the child's
cruise heads, the children cruise heads. Oh, they were like, for
the love of God, it wasa movement for children. Like children.

(01:04:15):
A lot of children went and theywere like going on a pilgrimage, like
they rounded up thousands of children.All these children were like Jesus wants to
so we're off. And then theywent down to like I can't remember they
went, but basically got solved theslavery like the Queerest for pals side we

(01:04:38):
run yourself. I can't remember.It was that they got down to somewhere
and they're like, here we arethe land of Jesus. Like it's like,
wasn't he a missionary and he foundsomething? And they were just like
he was running towards him with abible and they threw a spear at him
or whatever. They didn't even havea chance. He was in the boat.
He didn't even the boat didn't eventouch the shore, and he was

(01:04:59):
set off like the Vikings what filmwas down river to the boat. Yeah,
they're finally have the coins on JesusChrist. I wonder if they actually
picked was that they buried them?Like after like did they open the Bible?
Actually, I don't know why they'dbe able to read English, you

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know, the Gideon Bible. They'relike, it's actually pretty good, some
good stuff, and that's actually whatthey said. This is actually pretty Probably
Stuart Guy and the Soffers typically hadsymptoms resembling those of dancing, many such
as headaches, trembling, twitching,and the visions I dance so much I
fucking tripped. As with dancing mania, participants apparently did not like the color

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black, and women were reported tobe most affected. They didn't like the
color black is associated with the devilor something. Maybe yeah back then yeah.
Unlike dancing mania, tarantism was confinedto Italy and southern Europe. It
was common until the seventeenth century,when it ended suddenly, with only very
small outbreaks in Italy until as lateas nineteen fifty nine, seventeen years.

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That's too old, two years toomuch for me, Elvis primly come look.
Magary study of the phenomenon in nineteenfifty nine by religious history professor Ernesto
de Martino revealed that most cases oftarrantism were probably unrelated to spider bites.
Wow shocker. Many participants admitted thatthey had not been bitten, but believed

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they were infected by someone who hadbeen, or that so this is like
a homeopathy spider bites right, orthat they had simply touched to spider.
The result was mass Apparently, Icould write a spider, as a wise
man once said, I'm so sorryI could write a spider. The result
was and if you're gonna write likean insector spiders, probably like if you

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probably wrote spiders, we gotta bringthem up on mini fuds both an article
Ladies and Gentlemen pour one out forthe power fucking lizard that was rapped by
four lads in India, Like howwould you look at them? Went on
why wouldn't they just wank each otheroff or write each other Like if you're
going to write a manch, I'mtrying to I'm not going to send my

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opinion, but what I'm going tosay is I went on to the Indian
subreddits just for the country of India, right, and like there were like
some of the comments and all onthese articles were like why you like to
the Indian people going like why dowe have to rap things all the time?
Like there's literally a rep like aculture. Yeah, they talk about
rape culture over here, but Ithink it's like that's like we need to

(01:07:50):
be looking resident evil. Just readsome horror story about I think it was
a Spanish couple. Same thing forIndian guys, I believe, and they
like took your one bet him uplike horror stories. I mean, it's
just it's crazy. I don't knowwhat it is. I don't know why
lads are writing lizards, Like whydid they rep a lizard? The video

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tape that's what they were caught,that one of them. So there's a
lot of things that have to happen. First, they have to all dead
face. They had to be soberdada sitting around like you and I are
right now, and they go,this is an endangered lizard, like so
I actually had to work hard totry and find the fucker, and I
went, let's ride this lader specificallywant to get like pre meditated lizard.

(01:08:40):
Lizard. They went there, allsat around and they went this lizard.
Then right, they had to goand stalk the fucking like that'd be like
Arrond Schrznegger and predator and logan fora lizard like wood lad like reverse predator
lads. I'm gonna I want totape us riding the lizard because I feel
like I can beat off they're somesense. And then the next step is

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fols had to be comfortable with ridingaround each other, then have to be
comfortable with writing a lizard then haveto be comfortable with being on camera and
then documenting us. And what isthat lizard can take s s rights while
they were in the womb or anthinglike that, Like that's that's bizarre,
but that's bizarre. Like when Iread that go for the discord and it

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was lizard like, don't get mewrong, like if you kick, but
like I'd say, it's easier tocatch a monitor lizard than a chicken.
Like you know, chickens are inabundance, they know not touk with the
cows over there. What I'm saying, I'm so harny I could write a
spider was probably a phrase that wascooked up in Like if I ever shown

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them myself roaming the land so Icould ride a monitor lizard, I would
know that it was time to stop. Like that's that's the kind that if
you have that kind of took,sure you have a counter thought that says,
maybe have a wank at home.I forget all about Buy a tube

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of wrinkles and watch who wants tobe a millionaires? The tube of sprinles
with mince ride there ride the fruitexample, water melons, prinkles. If
you have to write what's happening tothese four gentlemen. Now they're all get
in prison to go to an Indianprison for rape and a lizard. You're

(01:10:30):
not gonna have a Oh my god, imagine said enough to write a spider
man have to you have to makeup like what is your cover if you're
right, spiders not yeah, JesusBob. So it doesn't even have Bob
and we're not trying yet. TheMonkey Man and Daddy will be five lads

(01:10:54):
that we're trying to chest him.They'll be like, yeah, yeah,
you're the Monkey Man and Deli andyou're like going on your law and then
five raps. That's just not there'sthere's there seems to be. I don't
know, I've never been to India, but if you're going to like there's
a bread and stuff where it's moremaybe people that have moved from India now

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and they're looking over there for likeyeah, like it's a like rape is
a real problem over there. Likeit's like and it's just it's just like
rape and everybody up here and rememberthat you don't have to come and compass.
That was like the first time wherelike someone in distress was starting to

(01:11:38):
celebrity the first times. Let's exploitthis guy. He did. Okay,
to be fair, I wonder howhe's doing. Actually, we must see
if you'll come on the podcast.Think the greatest scrypt of them all,
Antoine Dobson was that was like imaginebecoming famous over somewhere. Well, obviously

(01:12:03):
we have a rapist up here inLincoln Park. The commentary window, Antoine
Dodson is still gone. He's doingwell, I think, Antoine Dodds.
I think he was a special needsteacher. Last time was years ago.
Yeah. For he and the interview. In a twenty eighteen Dodds and identified

(01:12:24):
himself as a bisexual man. Imean, to be fair, he did.
Look he said, I don't knowwhat the future will hold for me.
That's okay. He also said heenjoyed working at Huntsville City School shouts
out, where his nephews and nieceswere enrolled, especially having having earned a
license to become a sub teacher.So that's actually a fantastic story. Good
for him. For idea Megan Lemonlemonad Lemons rape Lemons. In this case,

(01:12:49):
it was weird because like imagine becominga celembardy over just gone someone tried
to rape you, Like, Imean, it was a goold. I
suppose it was a good act,but there was there was There was a
lot of Lord Jesus, there's afire. Yeah, there's a few.
There's a few of those in therounds. For a while, I knew
something was wrong when a skinny whitegirl ran to a black man's arms.

(01:13:12):
There was another guy who made asong out of Actually, when you think
they're all those things are quite racistbecause it was like black exploitation. Yeah,
it was kind of like it waslike the kind of lingo that they
use and then trying to kind ofturn it like fireworks is a funny clip
as well. To be fair,fireworks. I think I noticed just the
guy. It's just a guy,like it is straight and it's just video

(01:13:33):
video type of like someone like fireworks, but like all of a sudden there's
been mental fucking exposure goes off andhe's like loud, Lord Jesus, get
the water, get the wall that'sgoing down, and like just like fires
happened and all this's like it's like, oh God, I just like loss
of ship going on. Yeah,there was there was a couple like that,

(01:13:56):
the Black Chair who's the black TerryAnd he he lit fireworks and he
rail chair and he wouldn't is hiswrail chair was stock and he couldn't get
from the fireworks. And the Carawas like, what what did you do?
Terry? Terry, Terry, andthen started and started going off.

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It's actually legitimate. I think differentpeople are laughing out for different reasons,
right, and that's when you getinto that hole. Well, I think
they say. I think personally,I don't think it's if I was videotaping
that I would fucking die as well. Well I got a I got a
memory today of Wayne going around inthe boat. But yeah, I don't

(01:14:45):
think it's a racial thing. Ithink it's that there's a cadence to that,
that lingo, the way that thatsort that sounds funnier in those situations.
You know. No, I'd loveto have a real, like,
you know, sort of upper middleclass white lad who was just like you
need to close your window. They'refunny for they're funny for different reasons,
like an Alridge bay. Yeah,that's very true. Like that's like,

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I think humor can be derived frompretty much most people in most situations.
If you are song client, andit's also nothing too heavy. You know,
no one gets hurt or yeah orraped well and Antoine guys, people
did get hurt, So that's whyit was kind of a bit weird.
I don't think anybody, I don'tthink I think, yeah, no,
he came through the window and thenshe gave him a jab cross or somewhere

(01:15:30):
tangent run. I feel like wehaven't done the podcast in years because everything
we're doing tonight is taken forever.Anyway, we'll we'll, we'll go through.
So there's alt this mass panic witha cure that allowed people to behave
in ways that were normally prohibited atthe time. So maybe that's part of
It's part of the what do theysay, like because you're not supposed to

(01:15:54):
do it? Yeah, you know, it's it's enticing. So, despite
their difference, forbidden fru chair theapp despite their differences, of Tarantism and
dancing mania are often considered synonymous.Right, so I was born to dance

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on stage. Another popular theory isthat outbreaks were a staged okay and the
appearance of strange behavior was due tounfamiliarity. Religious cults may have been acting
out well organized dances in accordance withancient Greek or Roman rituals. So they
despite being banned at the time,this is a conspiracy to get people.

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Yes, these rituals could be performedunder the guise of uncontrollable dancing mania.
So basically, these people that weredancing, they get a group together.
They're all friends, like Rallian ones. They're all religious to follow the same
religion. But basically if anyone questionsthem, why are they acting out?
You know, obviously the church hada fairly stronghold over villages and towns back

(01:16:58):
then, they would basically say thatthey had dancing many that they can't stop
the dance so that they're having abit of a laugh. So it was
banned at the time. Dancing andthese rituals were also banned, and the
only about that they could actually performand was under disguise. Just as Hecker,
which is a good name, anineteenth century medical writer described as a

(01:17:19):
kind of a festival which we're apractice known as the kindling of non fear
emon that sounds like fucking dark soulsis yeah, was carried out. This
involved jumping through fire and smoke inan attempt to ward off diseases. Shaken
after your dingleries for fire. Bartholomewnotes how participants in this ritual will often

(01:17:45):
continue to jump and lead long afterthe flames have gone. That's kind of
interesting, Yeah, I think that'syeah. It is certain that many participants
of Dancing Many were psychologically disturbed,but it is also that that took part
out of fair so that was likea kind of a mob mentality or simply
wish to copy someone. Sources agreethat Dancing Many was one of the earliest

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recorded forms of massessaria and describe itas a psychic epidemic with numerous explanations that
might account for behavior of the dancers. It has been suggested that the outbreaks
may have been due to cultural contagion, triggered in times of particular hardship by
deeply rooted popular beliefs in the regionregarding angry spirits capable of inflicting a dancing

(01:18:32):
curse to punish their victims. NowI think of them, now, I
think it's possible. So here here'sone, maybe a today's standard. So
my dad was out with his siblingsor something a few days ago, and
one of them test positive for COVID. Right, so my dad then starts

(01:18:55):
getting and then psychosomatic exactly it does. The test test comes up negative and
now we have no symptoms. Ithink we're way way more impressionable than we
a would like to be or becognitively cognizant. Like it's like it's our
brain is so powerful with that typeof ship like and like it's crazy.
It's like it's legitimately insane. Ihave a book about us. We're basically

(01:19:21):
like where people with like bad badhealth anxiety where they're like basically like they're
like half handicapped. Yeah, fromthe hell people that they've said, fuck
is the word for us and it'sall on your head is yeah, but
there's a there's a thing where theyactually developed the same It's almost like they

(01:19:42):
burned the body on to develop thethings. That's what I'm saying. Yeah,
that's what happens. It's powerful.It's the opposite. It's the opposite,
which I suppose this is interesting.Then it's the opposite of that that
idea of the secret and manifest certainthings. It's like you can manifest and
it's probably it's easier to manifest badall. This is your mind way better

(01:20:02):
at thinking about especially if your environmentis bad, if you if you're if
you're maybe impoverished, or you havetrouble with addiction, or you're just not
in a go ahead space at all, very easy to manifest bad things and
if you check out, like there'sa great anxiety resource. I can't remember
the name of the website, butit's one of them ones that is like
one of the standards for the peopleare looking for it, to drop me

(01:20:24):
a line, I'll try and actuallyfind it. But they have a list
of symptoms that anxiety can cause.Yeah, fucking knots. It's and it's
vastns like not like yeah, Iwas all that yees, but that's anxiety.
It's not that's not even how becomethe thing is like even with a
lot of that stuff, Like Iremember the first time I felt depersonalization or

(01:20:46):
derealization with bad anxiety, and Iwas like, right, I'm just I
broke in my brain, like something'snever going back to normal here. And
then when you realize that's actually againjust a symptom of anxiety, and the
other thing is the symptoms and anxietyitself, it's it's actually if you reframe
it, it helps a lot.The anxiety is there to try to help
you. Yeah, it's not there. Yeah, it's just basically and you

(01:21:10):
what you do is whether it's hypochondriaor it's any kind of whatever. The
worry or the anxiety, the formaticsyou kind of ruminating on it or following
the prompt, it gives you tobe a hyper vigional. Yeah, if
you can, just if you canstop doing that, you're sending a message
back to your brain to go,hey, this isn't a big deal,
don't worry about it. And itactually it's like CBT with that that works

(01:21:33):
over time. Absolutely. What doyou think I think with this? I
lie on probably I'd say, likea mass I think I think it's I
think it's the last one where they'rebasically taking the pace. I actually do
think you know, what do youknow? I think it could be Probably
it's possible that there's elements of allthree things tied into this. I get

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different places for different people. Therewould have been a lot of like remote
reporting back then. It would havebeen a lot of like the priest in
this town sent us a letter thatsaid that this happened, so blah blah
blah, saw like it could bejust the thing where there was particular priests
in particular towns that they might havehad a bit of an iron fist over
the practices and whatever there that thesedancing plagues were basically shown to people,

(01:22:17):
a lot of people. A lotof things that came up in the notes
was that there may may have beentraveling troops of dancers that started these dances
and basically had everyone involved in them, and so that could also be part
of it as well. Yeah,so yeah, I think that's what it
is. I don't think it's asighting. It did happen very strange,

(01:22:40):
but I think it was probably blownout of proportionate a little bit. Yeah,
yeah, but we'll wrap it up. There were over schedule, Yes,
I've been dancing plagues over and ou