Ahh! A Real Haitian Zombie

We all love zombies. Night of the Living Dead to the Walking Dead, Left 4 Dead to The Last of Us (yes they are mushroom zombies). But how much do we know about where contemporary zombie media originated from? Tune in, find out.

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Speaker 2 (00:06):
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I forget you from the wielder.

Speaker 3 (00:28):
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Speaker 2 (00:29):
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Speaker 3 (00:31):
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Speaker 2 (00:43):
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sitting round you want we sit in here could be
the music. The kitchen could be, the music room could be.
It is kind of the music. It is also that in.

Speaker 3 (00:53):
A lot of ways, could be whatever you want.

Speaker 2 (00:56):
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Speaker 2 (01:11):
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Speaker 3 (01:14):
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Speaker 2 (01:17):
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Work a quick walking walk on walking rather so. Yeah.
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Speaker 2 (01:57):
Yeah, if you have been affected by vood you right
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Maybe someone cursed your chicken giblets and put a bit
of reggae reggae sauce on them, and now you're a zombie.
It's not how it works, I think. Well, funnily enough,
it's not too dissimilar when you read into this, it's zombies. Oh,

(02:19):
it doesn't help, It doesn't help. It's so nice they
did twice. Reggae reggae sauce. Reggae reggae sauce is very nice, though.
What's your favorite sauce?

Speaker 3 (02:31):
Uh? Oh balli malu relish really yeah, Well, give me
ballium malure, give me death.

Speaker 2 (02:39):
Take death. No, I don't. I don't hate Ballumelu. But
Frank's hot sauces, like in terms of sauces you have
at home that you put on things, I'm a big
fan of frank'shot sauce, sauce everything scratt put it on.
What would you what would you put it on? Acorns
I have.

Speaker 3 (02:56):
It's really good, like sausages, by the way, but I
have a with like veggie sausages or with like sausages
I have with sausages. It's fantastic.

Speaker 2 (03:10):
Yeah, I don't have the same poch. No, I don't.
I'm not against this, I just don't relish. You do
what I just prefer I like, I love it. I
love mayonnaise, mayonnaise, mayonnaise, Relish actually mayonnaise. I'm not surprised,
but no, I'm a hot sauce kind of guy. Like

(03:32):
hot sauces. Everyone likes hot sauce. Frank's hot sauce.

Speaker 3 (03:37):
That's grand like a bit basically like Ballian Blue Good.

Speaker 2 (03:40):
Irish was so much more.

Speaker 3 (03:42):
But Irish project relish is Relish is the king manliche
as well. You probably heard that too. That's relish.

Speaker 2 (03:57):
Basically, there's not bally relish.

Speaker 3 (03:59):
It's actually relish, the typically Irish. You're heating your own stuff,
you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (04:05):
That? No balli malu relish is good.

Speaker 3 (04:13):
I like if they want to sponsor the podcast, I
do readout.

Speaker 2 (04:18):
Frank's get on with me. I'll do the readouts for you.
If you like bally malou relish and really love Frank,
I get that round as I'm like.

Speaker 3 (04:30):
Rod today, what's we have?

Speaker 2 (04:33):
I was thinking about zombies.

Speaker 3 (04:34):
Of course, somber everyone.

Speaker 2 (04:37):
There was a there's a song, not the Cranberry song,
but what was the fellow the African singer and he
had a song called Zombie was very good. My dad
used to like him. No, no, he was. I can't
remember the name. I don't think Seal had a song
called Zombie.

Speaker 3 (04:54):
Baron Sammy Who Baron sam Man?

Speaker 2 (04:58):
Baron Samdy?

Speaker 3 (04:59):
Who was it? Who's Baron Sammond Zombie? I don't know
who you're talking about.

Speaker 2 (05:05):
I'm gonna tell you now because I'm gonna find out.
It's a He's an African musician. He's very good. Zombie.

Speaker 4 (05:11):
William It wasn't William and or who was here we
go fella couti, fella couti, fella couti zombie.

Speaker 2 (05:24):
And that's the way that that's the way it goes, right.

Speaker 3 (05:26):
So you're listening to that and yeah, like I have
to do this.

Speaker 2 (05:29):
I listen to that, and I was like, I wonder
how fella couti got the idea? And I thought about
the etymology of the word zombie. No, I didn't. I
just didn't want to me notes and whatever mood I
was in, I said, I give it. I give it
an Now. Look, it's interesting though, Wait do you hear this?
Like everyone be thinking about zombies, you know, eating brains. No,

(05:51):
but lads, it's so much deeper than that. These are
the folkloric roots of zombie and more so the reality
of where zombies come from cool real life zombies. So
a zombie in Haitian French zombie zombi Haitian creole zombie
with an N or in Kikongo zombie, it's a mythological undead,

(06:17):
corporeal revenant creature that is created through the reanimation of
a corpse. In Haitian focal or, zombie is a dead
body reanimated through various methods, most commonly magical practices in
religions like voodoo, and of course, modern media depictions of

(06:38):
the reanimation of the dead do not involve magic, but
they're rather more science fictional methods such as fungi, radiation, gases, diseases, plants, bacteria, viruses,
et cetera. What is interesting about this episode is it's
actually more medical and science fiction reasons. I suppose that

(06:59):
actually creates the genesis of the zombie.

Speaker 3 (07:03):
Yeah, so we all know as well, we all know
in love as early as Banks who sacrifices chickens in
her wardrobe, which she probably has.

Speaker 2 (07:11):
Something to that mess and issue. Our future president still
sending pictures of his mickey to her.

Speaker 3 (07:18):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, he's not president.

Speaker 2 (07:21):
No, I sure he mightn't. He might just change his mind.

Speaker 3 (07:23):
You never know. It was today the dead he pulled
out with the president. We're talking about Colin McGregor. By Yeah,
the day that he pulled out with the presidential arrest
was the day that he would have had to have
gone to politicians to plead his case to be a
president so that they would back him.

Speaker 2 (07:36):
Because that's how. And then he just said that sounds like.

Speaker 3 (07:38):
Too much like hard work, So I'm not bound. Also
the fact you have to tell your.

Speaker 2 (07:42):
Mast but have no of course, and he must have
enough self awareness to know that, like none of the
counties would back him. Also if you watched any of
the stuff or he tried to make the campaign for himself,
like the man changes his accent.

Speaker 3 (07:59):
That's grand.

Speaker 2 (08:00):
I am here, very very famous landmark. The Irish have
hard enough as fuck off Connor. And then meanwhile he
said he would batter easily. He's a professional fighter who's
in drugs and crime easily. But it's great that he's
not gonna be our president.

Speaker 3 (08:22):
I'd love to say, like if you're.

Speaker 2 (08:25):
Gonna be a hard left to go down anyone, But
like what am I gonna do? Like how bad would
it look for Connor? If he drives me and I open,
It's gonna look way worse for him. No, Look, it
would have been terrible if Connor mcgreg If Connor McGregor
had been our presidents, what's even happened anymore? So I

(08:46):
might as well have Bear Mike Haggar as your president,
so wanted.

Speaker 3 (08:50):
The etymology of Zombie mon Cherry and Folker. Zombie is
an animated corpse raised by magical means such as which craft.
The English word zombie is first recorded in Eddie nineteen
in the History of Brazil by the poet Robert Suddy,
in the form of zombie actually referring to the Afro
Brazilian rebel leader named Zombie and the etymology of his

(09:14):
name in Zambie Zambie. The Oxford English Dictionary gives the
origin of the word as Central African and compares it
to the Congo words in Zambie, which is god and
zombie fetish. Kim Bundu to Portuguese dictionary from nineteen oor
three defines the related word in zombie as soul. Why

(09:36):
later kim Bundu Portuguese dictionary defines it as being a
spirit that is supposed to wander the art to tormental living.

Speaker 2 (09:43):
So that's so like I suppose that's similar to other
It's funny, like how every culture hasn't like like the
drugers that sort of stuff. So there's something about a revenant, the.

Speaker 5 (09:57):
Drag, the druger, I remember, druggers, man is it the
d I can't even remember.

Speaker 2 (10:10):
But there is these revenant creatures that are like I
suppose even vampires in a sense are revenant creatures as well,
I've always suspected that the likes of vampires and zombies
and were wolves, they're like a metaphor for STDs. It's
something about not mixing blood and stuff like that, and

(10:32):
if you look at how they infect everyone that they
start to bite or whatever, it's almost like a metaphor
for like, don't be sleeping around with people. Yeah, mickey,
you be bits.

Speaker 3 (10:40):
It's yeah, it's a relatable thing to be like, yeah,
watch out. Like and a lot of time, like a
lot of vampires stories, like there was like in some
of them it was like influential males, lots of money,
so like you'd wonder was that, yeah, watch out for
them lads praying on the women. But then also was
a thing where it was like because sometimes there were
sexy women, so it was also like watch sexy women

(11:03):
as well.

Speaker 2 (11:04):
Well, I suppose it was both things with status and money,
which probably attracted the women back in the day. And
then it's just did ease and attraction always. It's like
someone said something one day and never a truer thing
was spoken because talking about the you know, the patriarchy
and bad men and all the rest of them, I'm
sure it's all true. But if jay Z worked in

(11:27):
McDonald's and Beyonce they went in for a burger, oh yeah,
she would never marry Beyonce works in McDonald's and jay
Z goes out for there's still a good chance that
she might be able to marry him. Like, it just
goes to show you the I don't know if it's
how much our society values kind of beauty and sort

(11:47):
of I don't know, or is it just men that
are like this is last because we're biologically wired straight
men or just biologically wired to do what they can.

Speaker 3 (11:59):
There's probably more to it than just like all you know,
they're good looking, Like, there probably is more to it.
It's probably like the biological process is probably like these
are attractive, My offspring might be more attractive.

Speaker 2 (12:12):
Oh yeah, yeah, definitely, yeah.

Speaker 3 (12:14):
Especially because like Jesse is like, fuck I needed dilute
this ship.

Speaker 2 (12:18):
Well he just came back. Still he's still seem like
so you know, you're kind of thinking about your life.
You're like, what am I doing with these parts? And
then you see this lovely girl giving you, you know,
fries and a coke, and I mean.

Speaker 3 (12:33):
Yeah, because beyond once upon a time like still is
but like she was probably in the top five there
of the global status.

Speaker 2 (12:41):
But do you think she's because like a lot of
people have said, Jay Z is one of the the
the most not famous in terms of like two Pac
and stuff like that, but he's the most affluent. Is
that true? I don't know much about that.

Speaker 3 (12:56):
Is a strange one. Yeah, he's kind of a enigma
to me as a fan of hip hop from Life
Lifeline Hit hip hop fan, he was always kind of
an enigma.

Speaker 2 (13:05):
There's a lot of like, no, like he was in
behind things.

Speaker 3 (13:10):
It was an era where there was a lot of shite,
like and he was kind of better than the shite
that was around. But I think he kind of was
Eclipse later on. But I don't know, a lot of
people love them. But anyway, let's get back to fucking zombies.
Kimbundu to Portuguese dictionary from the word nineteen or three
defines the related word in zombie's soul why later at

(13:32):
Kimbundu Portuguese Dictionary defines it as being a spirit that
is supposed to wander the art to torment the living.
That's interesting how the creatures in contemporary zombie films came
to be zombies is not fully clear. The film Night You,
Living Dead from nineteen sixty eight made no spoken reference
to its undead antagonists as zombies, referring to them instead

(13:52):
as ghouls. The man's a ghoul. That's ghoulish, as all googles,
which derive from our bic folklore our demons, not undead.
Although George Romero used the term google in his original scripts,
in later interviews he used the term zombies. The word
zombie is used exclusively by Romero in his script for

(14:13):
the sequel Down of the Dead, including once in dialogue. So, yeah,
that is interesting, Like I wonder this kind of dispels
the whole zombie thing. I suppose was like, because I'm
trying to think, like, were zombies just kind of like
in those films, just like I don't know, I'm trying

(14:34):
to think of a term, but like they weren't like
just like a place holder baddie word where they didn't
like really have the effects or the tier money to
conjure up anything better. So they were like, let's just
get it. It's like Halloween and your kid in the nineties.
Let's just take a fucking tuck crack around his cheek
to make it look like a bit of flesh coming
off and get a bit of fucking tomato sauce around
the face and you know, a bit of white Like

(14:57):
was it literally just the thing where for that first
film he was like, I need to make him look
kind of treading and let's just traumall into this, and
then I kind of became zombie after the fact.

Speaker 2 (15:09):
Yeah, I think there were I think we think about
really there were movies from like the thirties, I Married
a Zombie and all like, because in the early twentieth
century they started to come across this idea of a zombie.
So it's taken from there. But I don't think the
zombie in kind of the the culture as we know

(15:29):
today really came to promise. Even during The Living Dead,
I still don't think they were really talked talking about
them at zombies that. I think the next paragraph gives
you a bit more of an insight into that as well. Right.

Speaker 3 (15:41):
So, according to Romero, film critics were influential and associating
the term zombie to his creatures, and especially the French
magazine Kahirs du Cinema. He eventually accepted this linkage, even
though here meant convinced at the time that zombies corresponded
to the undead slaves of Haitian voodoo. Has depicted in
White z Bombie with bell.

Speaker 2 (16:01):
So that the first it's in that Yeah, the hammer
horror sort of era of things, when Bella is doing
his bits and pieces. Well, yeah, it's a it's kind
of a funny thing because I, like most of us,
would have thought that zombies were just always in the genesis. Yeah,

(16:23):
you know what I mean. Yeah, it's a funny one. Yeah.
So they're featured widely in Haitian rural folklore as dead
persons physically revived by the act of a necromancy of
a boker, a sorcerer or which I was just thinking
about this. The boger what the shop that used to

(16:45):
be the Boker is just up and all the young
boys in the CBS used to go in there to
get their fizzy pops.

Speaker 3 (16:52):
Hassan was he?

Speaker 2 (16:54):
I'm just asking, was he practicing necromancy. There's a friend
of ours, Ryan, who lived above the Boker, and I
went to his house once we lived there and we
drank cans and the two of us were like zombies
at the end of it. So maybe maybe there's sold
to it. A zombie remains under the control of the
boker as a personal slave, having no will of its own.

(17:17):
The Haitian tradition also includes an incorporal, incorporeal type of zombie,
the zombie astral astral zombie, which is a part of
the human soul. A boker can capture a zombie astral
to enhance his spiritual power. A zombie astral can also
be sealed inside a specially decorated bottle by a boker

(17:41):
and sold to a client to bring luck, healing, or
business success. So this isn't too dissimilar to like snake oil.
In effect, it's believed that God eventually will reclaim the
zombie soul, so the zombie is only ever a temporary
spiritual entity. Now this also gets in, isn't there like
mad stuff in Africa where in certain places where they

(18:04):
really buy into this kind of spiritual stuff, they like
sacrifice children and animals and all sorts of stuff to
try and guess, which is basically to carry out the
wishes of their clients. So a documentary with like Giles
from Buffy real name Anthony Stewart Head and he was
like talking about it and it was. It was really

(18:25):
like not spooky, but you're like, oh wow, this is disgusting.
It's like in middle of nowhere, like very superstitious areas
or whatever.

Speaker 3 (18:34):
Africa saw vast like that. Our simple minds can't actually
comprehend how vast Africa actually is. It's way bigger than
what it's represented that as on the map on the map,
and it's fucking huge. Follow so many different countries with
so many different things going on that I'm not surprised
someone's eating someone or they're doing something like that because

(18:58):
probably in America or someone in someone right now, it's.

Speaker 2 (19:01):
In it's place is so big. It's like technology doesn't
spread unilatterally like in Ireland, technology and advancement kind of
spreads unilaterally through the country.

Speaker 3 (19:11):
But like it's a true statement to say that, like
right now in America there's a loud sacrificing goals for
religious purposes.

Speaker 2 (19:19):
Yeah, but they're all in Congress, Like, but that's all
in politics.

Speaker 3 (19:24):
Did you say that? It's kind of a little side tangent,
but it's actually worth watching for any of our listeners.
Did you see this dude? What the fellow's name is?
Actually he didn't interview US fire underbelly and undercover guy.

Speaker 2 (19:37):
Oh yeah, so he oh, he interviewed him like not undercover,
he was an undercover guy that was given his experiences he.

Speaker 3 (19:47):
Was on He was a guy basically that went undercover
in Here's FBI, Like he went over undercover in like
one percent gangs, and he went undercover in White Supremacy gangs,
and he went undercover in just like youtubes are like
one percent biker. The guy's name escapes me that which

(20:09):
is really annoying. But he like he was saying, like
at when he had infiltrated the White Supremacy groups, like
there were in the woods, like sacrificing fucking golts, like
chop chopping golds heads off and all like serious, this
is in America.

Speaker 2 (20:24):
What did they what? Like because I thought they would
be crazy they were sacrificing ghosts, ghats to God or.

Speaker 3 (20:31):
Yeah, just for some fucking matches. I don't know, idiots
like but like it's really good watch because he was
on Rogan as well. Actually the three hours on it.

Speaker 2 (20:37):
I feel like I might have listened to this guy before.
Did he talk about like parts of getting close to
the people that were there, But he was like taking
drugs and also because he had to, Like, yeah, I heard,
now this is years.

Speaker 3 (20:49):
Ago, because no, no, this guy was only don the
sarca recently, so this is only new like ye, but
this guy knows he's only on the thing I think recently,
as in doing the press junket and all that. But
super intestent salt. Again, you're talking about sacrificing like fucking lads.

Speaker 2 (21:08):
It's more. Yeah, it happens a lot more than you think,
I suppose, isn't that The funny thing about the sacrifice.
Sacrifices are generally these kind of clandestine, quiet, shadowy affairs. Yeah,
the woods meeting in the woods. Well, if you're in
the woods, be sure to remember that there's two types

(21:29):
of zombies reflect soul dualism, a belief of the Congo religion,
and Haitian voodoo. Each type of legendary zombie is therefore
missing one half of its soul, the flesh or the spirit.
So that's the astral zombie is missing the flesh, and
the regular zombie, let's say, is missing the spirits.

Speaker 3 (21:50):
You know.

Speaker 2 (21:51):
So the zombie belief have its roots in traditions brought
to Haiti by enslaved Africans and their subsequent experiences in
the New World. It was thought that the voodoo deity
Barren Samedi would gather them from their grave to bring
them to a heavenly afterlife in Africa Guinea, unless they

(22:12):
had offended him in some way, in which case they
would be forever a slave after death as a zombie.
A zombie could also be saved by feeding them salt.
Now this gets back into as well, isn't it like salt?
It's that's a really Yeah, it's a class mineral. Back then.
Part of the time salt is still class. I mean

(22:33):
salt is put a bit. I was eating something the
other day and I said, you know what, this just
isn't as good as the kubby put on a bit
of salt.

Speaker 3 (22:40):
What is that? Yeah, that's cool?

Speaker 2 (22:41):
Just is it because he eats salt by itself? You're
gonna go kind of like it. But it's not great. Now,
if you eat a big black sock salt, you'll die.
I don't even think your body will let you eat
enough salt to make it dye.

Speaker 3 (22:55):
You. I can try.

Speaker 2 (22:56):
We're going to have a salt off later next Patreon
Halloween Patreon who could eat the most salt and not die.
Let's see. English professor Amy Willentz has written that the
modern concept of zombies was strongly influenced by Haitian slavery.
Now this is very bad. Lads. Slave drivers on the plantations,

(23:17):
who were usually slaves themselves, and sometimes voodoo priests used
the fear of zombification to discourage slaves from committing YouTube algorithm.
So they use their religious beliefs against them to basically like,
that's never happened. I don't believe anyone has ever used

(23:37):
religion to a bad for a bad reason. That's never happened.
Religion has only ever been used to lift up the
rabbished and the poorest of us all, as we all know.
While most scholars have associated the Haitian zombie with African cultures,
a connection has also suggested that the people that are

(23:58):
indigenous the island's indigenous Tino people, partly based on early
accounts of a native shamanist practices written by Ramon Panay,
a monk of the Huron Hieronomite religious order and companion
of Christopher Columbus, I was going in there breaking lads
up as well.

Speaker 3 (24:17):
I suppose Christopher Columbus, sound lad, but think about there's
a lot of fun up shit happening all around the
world right now. Yes, I think about how up ship
were on them, like slave plantation, Like I'd say it
was ridiculous horror.

Speaker 2 (24:33):
Why be worried about zombies?

Speaker 3 (24:36):
I say it was just like lads that were influential
back then, that's say, had a fucking plantation the Deep
South that would have been fairly isolated. Like imagine the
amount of fucking like the battery almost has a positive connotation,
so I won't live in new door of the battery,
But imagine the amount of fucking, hedonistic, fucking degenerate ship

(24:57):
that would have been carrying on and on those players
back then, Like well, zombies would have been as always.

Speaker 2 (25:03):
I was curious, like was there any and there must
have been slave owners that not to say that like
it was okay to have slaves, but that yeah, like
lads that their slaves so well, whereas you had the
guys who were obviously like assaulting the women and all,
like just the worst behavior that you can imagine. You know,

(25:26):
you would have hoped that as human nature, like it's mad,
isn't it that? Back then it's not even that long ago.
When you really consider it, it's like, here's clearly other people.

Speaker 3 (25:36):
But it's still happening right now. You say that's true, Well.

Speaker 2 (25:39):
Yeah, that's very true, and it's happening very publicly right now.

Speaker 3 (25:42):
And it's happening right now when everyone knows like we
shouldn't have slaves, like like people like have the Internet,
Like there's literally slaves and people being captured the slaves
all around the world. Still there's people being sex trafficked. Still, yeah,
there's saw many.

Speaker 2 (25:58):
I read some article just it was on the front
of like the Irish papers, but it was about like
Brazilian gangs basically just trafficing women. So they're like they're
telling them that they have these good opportunities in Ireland,
they get to Ireland and then they're just being trafficked, which.

Speaker 3 (26:13):
Is just that's just had them Like that's that's one
of the what I think is one of the main
drivers for all these like working quote unquote working male
military age men as they say, that are being carted
around to the okay in Ireland and everywhere, is that
these I've said on the pod, but like these que
unquote tourist agencies are operating in Iraq, Afghanistan and countries

(26:40):
like that, and they're basically saying to these people, you'll
give me like two or three thousand, then we'll get
you work in Europe and we'll get you all your papers.
And what they do is the fly me into Belarus
and they go, aha, here's the bold colors. You have
to run across some break through this barrier. Once you
get in, you're in Europe and that's Poland.

Speaker 2 (26:57):
There and that's yeah right, all right.

Speaker 3 (27:00):
So like these poor fuckers from Afghanistan and Iraq who
probably spent their whole life savings trying like they'd be
like lads like you and I like, they're not fucking tick.
They're lads that have a few bob and they're like, right,
this is my only shot, and they think they're going
to be getting here and getting work. And then there's literally,
as a form of warfare, thrown a border and sent

(27:21):
into Europe to fucking just destabilizing the place up and then.

Speaker 2 (27:26):
That as it's sort of natural output then where you
have a load of people just outside the hotel campaign
and these people who are like I'm just trying to
have a better life.

Speaker 3 (27:37):
Yeah, and a lot of those people are actually funded
as well by the same people that are.

Speaker 2 (27:40):
Character Yeah, that makes sense. It makes sense class.

Speaker 3 (27:43):
But anyway, let's go to legalize the zombies. The Haitian
zombies phenomenon was first attracting whites read international attention during
the United States occupation of Haiti that was nineteen fifteen

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to nineteen thirty four. There was a number of cases
a case histories of purported zombies that began to emerge.
The first popular book covering the topic was William Seabrooks
The Magic Island nineteen twenty nine. Seabrooks cited Article two
hundred and forty six of the Haitian Criminal Code, which
was passed in eighteen sixty four, asserting that it was

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an official recognition of zombies.

Speaker 2 (28:28):
So this is like really interesting. In the law in Haiti,
there's recognition of these entities.

Speaker 3 (28:36):
So Article two four six of the Haitian Criminal Code,
also known as the Zombie Law, establishes that using substances
that induce a prolonged state of leturgy, even without causing death,
constitutes attempted murder if the victim is buried after falling
into this state of leturgy, the crime is then classified

(28:56):
as an actual murder. So this is like loadsmoke and
fucking catalytic verge. There's not you remember there was.

Speaker 2 (29:02):
I can't remember where it was exactly, but lads like
give you some mad they get into your car, give
you some mad drugs, and then you just take out
your savings.

Speaker 3 (29:11):
Oh there was like a like.

Speaker 2 (29:14):
Some sort of mad yeah. Yeah, or you're just like
trying to cover up for the fact that you were
stupid and you're like, oh no, he's just said.

Speaker 3 (29:21):
Mutually really suggestible. Yeah, that makes sense. It's probably like
when I'm dead, the two algorithm drugs, right, or something
like that possible.

Speaker 2 (29:27):
I'm not sure this is going years back. I remember
hearing something like this, so I could be miss misremembering it.
But this sort of stuff is more and they were
gonna after this little bit here we actually go into
a case like the first that the most famous zombie
case if you like, which is interesting.

Speaker 3 (29:45):
Right, So in nineteen thirty seven, Oh hang, onder now no,
that's right, and I didn't thirty seven, while researching the
Folklore and Heavy Zora and Neil Hurston encountered to the
case of a woman who appeared in a village. A
family claimed that she was Felicia Felix Mentor, a relative

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who had died and been buried in nineteen oh seven
at the age of twenty nine. The woman was examined
by a doctor extra As indicated that she did not
have a leg fracture that Felix Mender was known to
have had. Hearston pursued rumors that affected persons were given
a powerful psychoactive drug, but she was unable to locate

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individuals willing to offer much information. She wrote, what is more,
if science ever gets to the bottom of voodoo in
Haiti and Africa, it will be found that some important
medical secrets still unknown to medical science, give its power
rather than gesture as a ceremony, probably a bag of
fucking chicken shit or something, is it.

Speaker 2 (30:47):
I'm not sure about that. We're actually going to get
into what's happened. So this one was like one of
the little cases where it's neither proved nor disproved, but
you know that the idea of it is there. But
we do have clervious narsis class so this is like

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a proven case, if you like, of zombification in line
with the Haitian sort of in line on what we've
talked about, rather than you know, he came out trying
to chomp on people's heads or whatever. So Narsis admits
himself to hospital in Schweitzer Hospital, which is operated by
American medical staff in Dshavel's Ashi on April thirtieth, nineteen

(31:30):
sixty two. He had a fever and fatigue, and he
was spitting up blood, so doctors couldn't find any explanation
for his symptoms, which gradually grew worse until he appeared
to die three days later. He was pronounced dead and
held in cold storage for about a day before burial.
In nineteen eighty, a man identifying himself as Clarvious Narses

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approached Angela Narsis, the deceased sister, in the city of Lestaire.
Narses was immediately recognized by his family and several other villagers,
and he further convinced them of his identity by using
a childhood nickname and sharing intimate family information. He recounted

(32:16):
that he had been conscious but paralyzed during his supposed
death and burial, and had subsequently been removed from his
grave and forced to work at his sugar plantation. Right
Terrible stuff so power his account. After his apparent death
and subsequent burial on May the second, nineteen sixty two,
his coffin was exhumed and he was given a paste

(32:38):
possibly made from deturah, which at certain doses has hallucinogenic
effects and can cause memory loss. The boker who recovered
him then reportedly forced him alongside others to work on
a sugar plantation until the boker's death. When the boker
died and potentially regular doses of the hallucinogen were east,

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he eventually regained his sanity because the instigator of the
poisoning was suspected to be Clarvious's brother, with whom he
had quarreled over land inheritance. Clarivious only returned home once
he had heard of his brother's death sixteen years later.

Speaker 3 (33:17):
But that's a match that don't like scary, Sorry, but
it's scary because you're just like imagine getting like fake
buried while you're all fucked up and then fucking dug
up by Baron Salmity to fucking take your working on.

Speaker 2 (33:30):
Shut down and cut down sugarcane.

Speaker 3 (33:33):
Where does all this like? So like you hear it
in African American culture anyway at least, and I there
said the probably by proxy African culture. All these names
are clarvious and like Octavius and yeah, why is that?

Speaker 2 (33:54):
I know that. A buddy of mine who's from Nigeria
told me that, Yeah, Roman Nigeria by way of Rome.
But he was telling me back in the day when
the US used to have a presence there, they'd have
like ships that would say US Navy on the side
them and the big kind of white writing or the
black writing, and so he would say, people were calling

(34:15):
their kids like US Navie and stuff like that, you know,
but he was he was laughing telling me about that.
Now this is going way way back. But yeah, there's
there's two two bodies of mine from Nigeria and they'd
tell you like all sorts of kind of interest and
things like that.

Speaker 3 (34:30):
Yeah, because in Nigeria is quite common that they'll pick
a name that's like call you like fucking like sweetness and.

Speaker 2 (34:38):
Oh yeah, like like there's loads.

Speaker 3 (34:40):
Again interesting, but it startlerselves like class African like names
like what's the word for like let's say a Nigerian
word for for.

Speaker 2 (34:51):
They'll have loads and loads of dialects within Nigeria i'd
say as well, well they because there's so many tribal
languages there. You do know what's that for?

Speaker 3 (35:01):
That's for happiness. So you're on your name and I
was O'Neil.

Speaker 2 (35:05):
Hello, I'm looking for my father Philip. My name is
a Duno O'Neill, beautiful in Nigeria.

Speaker 3 (35:11):
That's that's my name.

Speaker 6 (35:12):
Narcissus my name is Marma or.

Speaker 2 (35:24):
Monster because he's in every morning Thursday.

Speaker 3 (35:28):
Yeah, no, we should do that. But I am curious
because I think that all that clervious and all. I
think that's all a bit French or something, you.

Speaker 2 (35:35):
Know, Yeah, and I think that trickles location on the
French connections because.

Speaker 3 (35:40):
Like they like say like LaToya and Liqueisha and all,
like that's not fucking that's not African. Shaan is a
bit friend.

Speaker 2 (35:52):
Yeah, I know, I'm sure because if you think about
how like all of those cultures in the various places
they would have ended up and everything. You know, there's
gotta be now what you have, like.

Speaker 3 (36:03):
Like finding out the mrs and detymology. Aquatia what is it?
It doesn't have its liquatia is hm, Well, it doesn't
have a single definitive meaning shocker. It's connected to the
concepts of joyful happy cinnamon or cinnamon like spice.

Speaker 2 (36:25):
Cinnamon would have been a very popular spice. We're talking
about how class salt was recently.

Speaker 1 (36:29):
Apparently it's Hebrew, Hebrew Kazia. I don't know, Manuti, Leticia, Leticia, lakesha.

Speaker 3 (36:41):
Yeah, I don't know, man. These names are all mental
spread too. Should that's got name Pangaea.

Speaker 2 (36:51):
Beard was name of your child after like a ferocious
and I'm a jaguarre on what would you call them?
Like to be fair, he will be the coolest kid

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in the class until he was like nine and everyone
just started cheering him.

Speaker 3 (37:15):
Tough going, man, it's tough. Names are tough, like that'll
be careful like, but it is interesting. That's like a
whole the etymology of a lot of the African American
names would be very interesting. And I'd say that's where
they came from, because they're some of them are very interesting.
You're like, where did that come from?

Speaker 2 (37:31):
You know, yeah, yeah, and because yeah, like because the
lads were telling me my buddies that, Like, there's loads
and loads and loads of different languages within these areas,
like you know, the various.

Speaker 3 (37:43):
It's like a melting pot.

Speaker 2 (37:45):
Yeah, but like they they can't always talk easily to
each other. So it's but again when you say areas
like we as Irish men probably think of these areas
being much smaller than they are. These people probably never
would have seen each other historically because the area are
so vast.

Speaker 3 (38:01):
Like Snoop Dog's names Calvin Broadus, Kendrick Lamaras, kendrickworth Worth.

Speaker 2 (38:07):
Yeah, so yeah, very very That's like a very English name,
isn't it sounds worth like it seems to be.

Speaker 3 (38:13):
Yeah, yeah, so it's interesting. But yeah, absolutely is my reading.

Speaker 2 (38:20):
No. One nearly there now. When he told them the
story of how he was dug up from the grave
and enslaved, the villagers were surprised, but they did believe him.
His story basically said that he had been a zombie.
When questioned, Narses told investigators that the sorcerer had taken
his soul. It's been suggested that one reason that Narses

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had been targeted to become a zombie was because he
had abandoned his children. That's why his brother was angry
with him. And then he worked with this boker, got
a bit of cash to get the brother off to
the sugar cane fields, or do you reckon?

Speaker 3 (38:57):
He was like, these kids will just his poison by
fucking Baron Samony and come back when we're all come
back when I'm Yeah, that's probably singing Mickey somewhere. He's
a load more kids that he's now he's in nine years. Yeah, yeah,
it'd be like, oh, I was poisoning this other town and.

Speaker 2 (39:15):
Opened the train door on me Minnicoma for sixteen years.

Speaker 3 (39:19):
Go play.

Speaker 2 (39:20):
Actually, now that we're talking about it again, uh boom
boom or something.

Speaker 3 (39:27):
Yeah, it was yeah, minus liquige. No, no, it's not.
It's area or rama.

Speaker 2 (39:34):
Yeah, Arrawa no, arrewa, I think that?

Speaker 3 (39:36):
Or do Sema do she do man do.

Speaker 2 (39:42):
All right?

Speaker 3 (39:43):
Or or Cowan's beautiful cow beautiful as in Nigery Coo
cow bilingcoln beautiful supposed to beople crack. Actually Nigeria supposed
to be like leg Us is supposed to be fucking
list like for parodying like mpoc raally go crack. Yeah

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I would.

Speaker 2 (40:03):
My dad lived in Nigeria for like two years. Yeah,
he was like taught out there for two years. He
was probably on the right crasher I'm still waiting for
like my yeah, probably from nineteen.

Speaker 3 (40:14):
He probably he's probably pulled that zombie prank. I say,
now he might.

Speaker 2 (40:19):
Yeah, my dad goes backwards. He's like almost all.

Speaker 6 (40:26):
The bar.

Speaker 2 (40:27):
Don't get me away from the bogger sad.

Speaker 3 (40:29):
Believe me be Yeah, no he does. Yeah I said
that's what he did. Say, I've been poisoned and I
may go off to the plantation. Yeah it's in Ireland.

Speaker 2 (40:38):
Yeah, I'll never see you again. So you're also only
one and a half years old.

Speaker 3 (40:43):
So now I've heard in Nigeria like if you're a
white dude, like they're just like, oh coolerer celebrity. They
just think see the last King of Scotland noff.

Speaker 2 (40:54):
Like that started out well, ended quite poorly.

Speaker 3 (40:57):
Do is that what happened?

Speaker 2 (40:57):
Like smacka boy he was a doctor who went out
to Nigeria, winds up banging the one on the way
out and he's like his glass just having loads of
sex and having the right cracks. So he's living the
white man's fantasy friger or whatever. And then Robert Gabby
he becomes like an advisor of and then like he

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bangs his wife like a fucking keeping It really and
then like there's one part where he walks into like
and your man's just basically after fucking quartering his wife,
he's going after James McAvoy and as usual, white man
leaves a trail of destruction. Is like runs away gets

(41:40):
back to Scotland. I think it was like loosely based
on something really but I'm sure it was highly dramatized.
But it looked really fun until it wasn't fun.

Speaker 3 (41:51):
So maybe we'll just do that without riding Robert mccaby's wife.

Speaker 2 (41:55):
Just ride the other ones we might be again talk
about when keeping it really goes wrong. I think might
be walking ourselves into into the trouble with that one.

Speaker 3 (42:07):
So let's get to the investigation.

Speaker 2 (42:10):
She's an African prostitute with ages.

Speaker 3 (42:12):
Now I have this case puzzled to many doctors. I'm
going to say your color, Narciss. I'm going to say Narcissy. Yeah.
Because Narcisse's death was documented and verified by the testimonies
of two American doctors, the case of Narcissy was argued
to be the first verifiable example of the transformation of

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an individual into a zomb Narciss's story intrigued Haitian psychiatrist
Lamark Doyan. It is Lamarica that sounds French, but then
Haitian a kind of French, so I suppose lamar Yeah, yeah,
there you go. Though dismissing supernatural explanations, Doyane believed there

(42:57):
was some degree of truth to tales of zombies, and
he had been studying such accounts for decades, suspecting that
zombies were somehow drugged and then revived. Doujan reached out
to colleagues in America. Canadian ethno botanist Wade Davis traveled
to Haiti, where he obtained samples of powders used to

(43:17):
create zombies.

Speaker 2 (43:19):
Let's say, had a good night do.

Speaker 3 (43:21):
Yeah, over, you see what the craig is Nursing history
intrigued Haitian psychiatrist Lamark Doyan. Though dismissing supernatural explanations, Doane
believed that there was some degree of truth to the
tales of zombies, and he had been studying such accounts
for decades, suspecting that zombies were somehow drugged and then revived.

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Doane reached out to colleagues in America. Canadian ethno botanist
Wade Davies traveled to Haiti, where he obtained samples of powders.
Oh rather, I thought I thought I was like, it
was like the Matrix black Cat moment.

Speaker 2 (43:57):
Yeah, it was like.

Speaker 3 (44:00):
After various centropological investigations of zombie stories, Davis hypothesized that
a boker had given Narcissy a dose of powdered chemical
containing tetro dot toxin, a puffer fish toxin, and buffo toxin,
a toll taxin. That's tyson us the tall doesn't he

(44:21):
face and got something with the told through through a
reded skin and inducing a coma that mimiced the appearance
of death. He was then allowed to return to his home,
where he collapsed and quote died and then was buried.
Davis based a claim on the presumption that tetrol detaxin

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and related toxins are not always fatal, but near lethal
doses can leave a person in a state of near
debt for several days with the person remaining conscious. That
sounds absolutely hellish, right. Davis then hypothesized that Narcisses was
dosed with the torah stromodium after his body was just

(45:02):
metal ward. After his body was recovered to compliant zombie
like state until the balker died and he stopped receiving
the Torah.

Speaker 2 (45:11):
So lads just getting fucked up and just going out
to chop sugar cane.

Speaker 3 (45:17):
That's like resident for five. Like you're just like out
in some village or something. Lads come fucking run natchally
like half nuts, fucking high and fucking told. Davis does
not suggest the zombie powder containing tetra detoxin was used
for maintaining mental slaves, but for producing the initial death
and resurrection that convinced victims and those who knew them

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that they had become zombies.

Speaker 1 (45:42):
Did Jesus use the detraction?

Speaker 2 (45:46):
Jesus sounding sugar Field.

Speaker 3 (45:48):
He was like, watch this like the toro toax and
then I'll go into a cave.

Speaker 2 (45:52):
No, I'd say it was as as they described it
in the Bible.

Speaker 3 (45:57):
Yeah, probably.

Speaker 7 (46:01):
Zombies who would have thought that that particular story, which
is quite an interesting sort of genesis into the whole
zambil Or could have spurned on never ending TV shows.

Speaker 3 (46:13):
I was just video you red my mind then, and
I always do. I was just about to go on
a tangent to think about about how I believe actually
the zombies were the first it's not an IP but
the first sort of nerd genre whatever you want to
call it, that got exploited to death. Yeah, Zombies I

(46:35):
think was the first.

Speaker 2 (46:36):
They're one of the only things that have had like,
so the zombie thing is there. So you have that
Bettle GHOSTI movie, and there's one I Married a Zombie
or some other ship, and White Zombie as well that
Rob Zombies. Rob Zombie is named after his original band,
White Zombie. So from that's zombidation. So you go from

(46:58):
the thirties where they're talking about zombies and then that
seems to kind of spike and die quickly. Then you
go back into the sixties Living Dead, then that spikes up,
you get down of the Dead, Day of the Dead,
then that goes down again, and then the remake of
Resident Evil they were saying they're saying Resident Evil was
another reason to start to go up. And then donn
of the Dead remake. I feel like that's Donna Dead

(47:21):
remake is when zombies went super nova. I'm not sure
if that was.

Speaker 3 (47:27):
Doll Has come out twenty eight days later. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
and they were bought very good films for different reasons.
Letter was like a better, probably just a better film,
probably bought Donna Dead remakes already go to.

Speaker 2 (47:41):
A lot of people, and they might feel weird about
saying it, but they like, I prefer the don of
Dead remake to the original. It's probably more of a
timing piece, but the don of Dead remake, like, I know,
it's a Zack Snyder movie, but it doesn't have the
Zack Snyder isms that his later movies go on to have.

Speaker 3 (47:58):
No im I joy that thought was pretty good. What
it was was at the time, it was the most
this sounds funny, but the most tastefully done zombie film
probably that aside from Twenty eight Days Later, which was
around that same time. It was the first one that
kind of was like treated it like proper, proper seriously
and was like what it did was it brought out

(48:21):
all of those like what would you do in a
zombie apocalypse type of questions? Yeah, and it showed how
fucking few title it would be if the zombies were
like proper zombies like they were depicted in those and
like yeah, and that was graphic. But then people like
Hollywood started to realize like, oh, this is something here now,

(48:44):
and then they were like you like walking Down. Do
you here's fifteen variations, here's a TV character.

Speaker 2 (48:51):
As a zombie mode.

Speaker 3 (48:52):
I had all that, like I had. It's the same
as like Yellowstone, where it's like, you like Yellowstone, here's
fourteen TV shows all in the same universe. And I'm like,
we are we that creatively bankrupt nowadays?

Speaker 2 (49:05):
Where it's like, I don't think it's creative bankruptcy. I
think it's that they need something that they're convinced is
going to make money. Yeah, so there's a whole shareholder
blah blah blah part to it. But I mean for
a while there, man, but zombies were just even like
when did I'm when did walk and Dead come out?
Because that was what twenty ten?

Speaker 3 (49:28):
Was it? Yeah, it was around twenty twelve, twenty.

Speaker 2 (49:34):
Twelve, And because that takes it up another notch. So
we're like, and you.

Speaker 3 (49:38):
Could argue zombies manageream you couldn't get rid of that.

Speaker 2 (49:43):
And what do you think it is about zombies that
people like?

Speaker 3 (49:46):
Yeah, that resonates what I'm like, paper.

Speaker 2 (49:51):
Crypt, the crypt.

Speaker 3 (49:59):
I think it's that that's human and it's relatable because yeah,
infectious illness, as we were talking about earlier, like we
can all understand the concept that all we can get
infected off one another.

Speaker 2 (50:10):
So especially in the post COVID world.

Speaker 3 (50:13):
Yeah, especially now. Yeah, and it's also then because of that,
it's fun to kind of play with it and go,
what was you doing on a zombie apocalypse? You know
what I mean? It's that kind of funny question.

Speaker 2 (50:23):
And you have like your because you have like the
running zombies, which are obviously there, that's that's troubles. The shifty,
stumblely shuffle zombies a little bit easier, but it's that
thing where like one on one you're fine, it's just
it's mass or volume rather that that gets you.

Speaker 3 (50:45):
It's all a bit dumb when you think about it,
because it's like in hindsight, and we did kind of
toy with the idea as well as back in the day,
but like really and truly, like the flesh with the
k off all the motherfuckers and that just turned into
a pile of bones after like a month two months
and then did it all drop out on the floor.

Speaker 2 (51:04):
Yeah, It's like they didn't need any nutrition, no, you know, it.

Speaker 3 (51:07):
Was just like like like eating, like if you're a
zombie in your flesh is dead. Like it's just going
to fall off, like and you're just going to fall apart,
like you know, you're not going like if if.

Speaker 2 (51:19):
You're sort of they do try to depict the Hollywood type,
but they didn't just I think they didn't have the.

Speaker 3 (51:27):
Zombie and it's like they didn't have the like thes
because in the original in Night of the Living Dead, it.

Speaker 2 (51:34):
Was like a local butcher that basically helped them. So
they were just zombies that they were just people basically
that were painted. But there was it's even black and
white like the the makeup was used. But yeah, it's
funny then if you look at Dawn of the Dead
because it's made all blue, they're all blue.

Speaker 3 (51:54):
Yeah, it's weird, it's very.

Speaker 2 (51:58):
But they did they I suppose when that came out,
like you know, there's that shot where he shoots the
zombie in the head in the the opening scenes and
his head exp like that must have for the time,
it was been amazing, you know.

Speaker 3 (52:11):
It was on the films that I think just if
you were a certain edge at the time, it was
like not nuns at the time, you were like to
blow the socks off me. I've never seen nothing like it.
Like the Tom Savinia special effects of Corse.

Speaker 2 (52:22):
Yeah, and then Tom Savigni when he made his own
remake of the original Night Live, which is still one
of my favorite zombie.

Speaker 3 (52:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (52:33):
Yeah, but it's got like that kind of comfort thing
about it. I remember I bought that and I bought
Miss Mister Bungles, like their first album, and I had
a Chinese and it was one of the best nights
I was by myself in Cork. I was on the
best nights of my life. I think the other part
of the zombie is they're used for a metaphor more

(52:55):
than most other There's always some sort of an allegorical
dawn of the dead. Is consumerism, like the Living Dead
links in with them racism, And then.

Speaker 3 (53:08):
There's like, uh, site experimentation, isn't it like Conrad.

Speaker 2 (53:13):
Yeah, and I suppose it's yeah, that's they're doing something
with monkeys, it's the rage virus or whatever. But it seems, yeah,
you seem to get away with a lot of subjects,
and it shows a mirror to people because generally speaking,
in all the zombie media, people are actually the problem
the zombies, like they've destroyed society or whatever. But like

(53:34):
people out of the problem, like in all the Walking
Dead stuff, it's the Governor, it's it's Nigue, and it's
all those guys.

Speaker 3 (53:40):
Which, yeah, that was people's first introduction to Like we
knew because we had read the comics and we had
watched so many zombie things, but like we knew the
potential that that genre had. But I think the the
mass public when they're first seeing The Walking Down, like
whether they're realized it or not, they're probably weren't even
that fussed on the zombie components. They were like oddster relationships.

Speaker 2 (54:03):
Yeah, I mean I think as well, look basing that
on the original like the Kirkman comics, like he the
way he wrote that was very clever because again, like
you said, I think it was in the mini I
was about alien, like about Chris Pratt should have been
killed by the raptor. Yeah, you didn't know what was
going to happen in The Walking Down. And I think

(54:25):
right up until the end, I kind of stopped reading,
not for any reason of taste, but just life got
in the way. But I entirely enjoyed reading those back
in the day.

Speaker 3 (54:36):
Yeah. Krkman, like he said, he never wanted that end.
Am I right in saying that he was going to
just keep.

Speaker 2 (54:40):
He ended abruptly.

Speaker 3 (54:42):
He ended abruptly.

Speaker 2 (54:43):
Yeah, and I didn't read the last episode, but yeah,
he ended up very abruptly. There was a very short
kind of a window or he's idea. I'm just ending
this now. He originally he was trying for years to
break into the comic book industry. Did you ever read
Battle Pope?

Speaker 3 (55:00):
But I remember her?

Speaker 2 (55:02):
That was his like his first sort of comic and
he did another one of The Astounding wolf Man, which
is actually quite good as well.

Speaker 3 (55:11):
Right, I mean, when you think about his legacy in
terms of the walking down streaming, they're still walking down
TV shows, right.

Speaker 2 (55:18):
Yeah, there's a third the third season of the one
with Daryl Dixon just came out, like I don't think
I can do it again. Because Powella loved The Walking Dead,
so I watched all the spin offs with her, and
neither one of us has really been to like Gong
Ho one. Now again, they're not bad, it's just it's
it's been We've watched so many, like there's not a

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lot left.

Speaker 3 (55:40):
How many stories can you talent that you know the
first once have gone through that many spinoffs like it's
like very hard to like even when you're doing it
on like an individual character level, Like it's very hard
to actually be like here something entirely in you. Like
Walking Down was a victim of that where it became
too formulaic. It was like, uh, oh, you know, we're
trying to survive r out in the wild zombies is

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tough stuff. Soff her civilization. Here's like a sanctuary. All
it turns out someone in the sanctuary it's not what
it seems. Oh it's a bit strange or or something
on her. And like it literally was that ad nauseum.
It was always like there was never a time, I
don't think anywhere where they met up with people like
a big MAC group and they're like, oh, they're all
sounded actually, like there wasn't like there was never just

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there was always something.

Speaker 2 (56:25):
Yeah, and you have like you have to get to
the other place. Yeah. It's like because Walking Dead in
a sense, it's kind of like an RPG and then
you find your party, the party of all blah blah blah,
and that's grand for like a video game that lasts
forty fifty sixty hours with gameplay, but like when your

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season is like twenty four hours, you know, yeah, to
be fair, look, it did very well, and.

Speaker 3 (56:52):
I was it was at the time, it was like
that was a good time for TV. I was hopping
off that I was hopping off. Sons of Anners was
just about starn another good on TV. Back then. It
was a bit of a golden era for TV. I
would actually.

Speaker 2 (57:08):
Say, I think I think now it's just we're a saturation.
But I don't even know if it's shy. There's just
so much TV. And that was the last of the
water cooler, you know those days. That was the last
of it, like it's it's never coming back.

Speaker 3 (57:21):
Probably written by AI, you know, like the probably just
like her fucking write some Darald Dixon stort.

Speaker 2 (57:27):
Like The Walking Dead felt like it was written by
for a long.

Speaker 3 (57:30):
Time there Darald Dixon. Like what he's in France? Who
said in France? Yeah, he was in France. I've never
seen so much Mi diage extracted from one I.

Speaker 2 (57:41):
Managed to get in the plane that they made her
like zombie like that, what was the other one? And
the other one that wasn't there, the Ngan and fucking
Maggie one.

Speaker 3 (57:51):
I watched that as well, like and that's like as
in ends, Yeah, and what are they going out or
something like.

Speaker 2 (57:58):
No, she hates nig But then so they have all
these called that that I don't know about because I
didn't watch all the show, and I'm but like, they're
making energy out of the zombie zombie waste. So they
fucking mash all these zombies and it makes a green
and then they can light up New York again, and
then everyone's fucking weird, and it's just like, well that

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sounds stupid.

Speaker 3 (58:21):
Yeah, yeah, pretty much sounds dumb.

Speaker 2 (58:26):
But the paradigm and even your man from Walking Dead
what was the fellow with the black kind of curly.

Speaker 3 (58:32):
Hair, Yeah, I can't remember his name? Character?

Speaker 2 (58:35):
No, no, no, was it that name Tiggy or sounds
what did I say? Walking Dead?

Speaker 3 (58:40):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (58:41):
Sorry, he's in Walking Dead but he was that Yeah,
so he's in and Walking Dead, he's in that new one,
and it's just like like it's almost like every the
Walking Dead is like a really hyperbolic version of some
of anarchy, like if that makes sense, you know, But again,

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sons of Energy didn't go on for like that. I mean,
how many episodes of Walking Down if you take all
the small fear the Walking Down nonsense, like just one
hundreds as nonsense.

Speaker 3 (59:13):
Just But what we'll do before we go is we'll
leave our listeners with a couple of recommendations for zombie Maba.
So my first is Dais the video game. Not very
many zombies in it, but actually the concept of the game.
If you're not familiar, it's an older game now, it's
probably over ten years probably, but it's still very much

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playable on Steam. The concept of Dais was always massive,
open world, kind of a realistic environment. It was modeled
on parts of the Czech Republic, and your idea was
that you spawn on the beach and you have nothing
and you have to survive. Basically, you can eat, you

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can drink, you can break in, you can get too hot,
you can get too cold, you have to cook your food,
you can get sick from drinking bad water. Like it's
a proper survival simulator. And also the zombies in it,
but much like the Walking Down in other forms of media,
the humans are the bad people in the zombie media,
so you also have to watch out for Usually a

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server will have like one hundred players or maybe more,
and you know you'll run across lads role playing as
bandits where they're just trying to kill your tech, all
your shit that you've worked tired for, or you do
the same to them, and then you also have people
who are like trying to go around and help people,
and you'll get it's a really really At the time,

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it was super unique. It's not as unique anymore, but
it was a super unique experience at the time. Might
have like probably a thousand Nevers locked on back then
and loved the fuck out of it. It was unlike
anything else. There was nothing like it. So that's my
first recommendation. Or if you've got them and anything they're.

Speaker 2 (01:00:57):
Trying, because there's the obvious one's residente. Yeah, I don't
think you need to go into those. I would say
for a lighthearted zombie game, maybe try to get a
copy of Dead Rising, yeah, which is really good fun.
It's yeah, yeah, yeah, the ordor so yeah, probably were
checking that out. It's a fun game. I was playing

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Dead Rising three. I had a good few hours with
them then like a kind of board eventually, but yeah,
it's a it's a fun game. It's very hacking, slashy,
but there's enough kind of time dependent story angles that
you can go for so that's kind of interesting. The
first one has that mall thing if you're into the
Dawn of the Dead sort of thing. So yeah, that'll

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be my video game one.

Speaker 3 (01:01:45):
I think I'll do another video game and I'll leave
it with that because I'm trying to think of stuff
that everyone doesn't know on TV and movies is hard.
But I think actually the Walking Dead video game the.

Speaker 2 (01:01:57):
Tell Tale definitely don't buy the other one because they're.

Speaker 3 (01:02:00):
Not really good. Some of the ones.

Speaker 2 (01:02:03):
Oh no, the Telltale ones are good. I mean they've
made them first person ones.

Speaker 3 (01:02:11):
Yeah, the tell Tale really good story. Actually, again, probably
better than a lot of the stories. But if you
can get that to choose your own adventure type of
interactive story where you're it changes based on your dialogue
choices with the characters. So basically the game player revolves
around meeting and chatting to people and you choose what

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you said to them, and what you said to them
changes the outcome slightly of the overall adventure. But it's
a really impactful story, really good. I remember actually just
on a waim I was playing on some Christmas Day
literally years and years and years ago, probably thirteen years
ago or something. Like that, I don't know, and just
really fucking impacted me. I was like, because it was

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episodic at the time, it was on the first games
that was an episodic. Yeah, it was releasing new episodes
every month or two, I think, and I finally had
all the episodes of them all together. I was like,
this is unlike anything else. So yeah, that and obviously,
as you said, and Davil, if you've got anything else
before we wrap it up.

Speaker 2 (01:03:12):
The only other one I would say is that I
think the most famous of the George Romero ones are
Knight of the Living Dead and Dawn of the Dead.
Day of the Dead is probably my favorite one in
that movie, it's like a more military type ing it.

Speaker 3 (01:03:29):
Oh, it's probably one of those.

Speaker 2 (01:03:32):
And then I even have a soft spot for Land
of the Dead as well. He came back to it's
a it's a bit more. They all have like their
little subtext. It's worth checking out. But I think those
two probably don't get enough love. And I have a
major soft spot for the two. And then toom Savini's
nineteen eighty three Remaking Dead. Can't say enough about that.

Speaker 3 (01:03:51):
And yeah, that's fantastic and it's hard like nowadays, to says,
and David looks like on alls up. But it's also
hard because none of the more reason and Resentibles, triviaor
zombie ish resonable to remake very much is and Residueval
Tree remake very much.

Speaker 2 (01:04:06):
Is, but even Resonable three rem like it's the Nemesis.
I suppose mister X is a big part of two
as well.

Speaker 3 (01:04:13):
Yeah, there's a lot of zombies there and they're definitely cool,
so check them out too. So that's it. Then, Laquisha
to Shan, we're out of it.

Speaker 2 (01:04:23):
We're finished.

Speaker 3 (01:04:24):
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