Interdimensional UAPs

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I love to listen to the coast?

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Yeah, Sam, Sam like to be honest, which I think
cost the Coast did a lot for the sort of
stuff we do.

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It was at its apex, like when X files is
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It was great. It was great that it was an
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that kind of thing. So like like our bells sort of,
I suppose the grandfather of this stuff.

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Was any anywhere at all. Like it's like a weird
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just listen to spooky stories on your radars. That sounds
absolutely wonderful.

Speaker 4 (01:26):
If we were in America at that time, we would
have absolutely been listening to that whenever it was on.

Speaker 2 (01:31):
I think that if we if you were back, if
we had opened smoking joints at the same time, because
we never really the world would have the world we
would we were our worlds made. But like because we
probably would have like we were watching JK Cinema and
all that ship, we would have gotten stone and just
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wasn't really something that was on my red I don't know,
it wasn't even I wouldn't have even been on my
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But then it was more so when we started this
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Speaker 5 (02:10):
It's still going right with a different hosting Every now
and then I'll go on to Spotify and just check
something out, But there's such a proliferation of things like
that Spotify now that it doesn't really stand out like
it used to.

Speaker 4 (02:23):
Part that it's bad, but podcasts kind.

Speaker 2 (02:25):
Of the a a little bit A big fan of though.
Third Eye drops on American alchemy, which I'm really doing,
like philosophy meets high strangeness there. I'm really enjoying some
of those. There's some other stuff as well. I can't
remember the other names, but every now and then you
get an episode of those that's just like the perfect

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the perfect mix of philosophy and psychology and intergalactic alien stuff.
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The rest Is History is very good. Enjoy the rest
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Actually, yeah, The Rest Is History is kind of like also,
if we were actually qualified to talk about what we
talked about and were able to stay a non ord
the Virgin.

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Probably the good thing about this sort of stuff is
there's no real qualification for it, which is really reassuring
whenever you just don't care about what you're saying. Did
you see what we got on Facebook the other day?
From he said, did like a mock up T shirt
he had made and on the back of it it
just like it had the Monster Fuzz logo and on
the back it just said they don't seem to care
about what they say, which would be He was like,

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if you make this T shirt.

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I'll buy it.

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Maybe we should make that, Maybe we should.

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I must a must actually have a listen. I used
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but it was pretty interesting.

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History is quite good. One of the lads does like
an impersonation to start about the episode is quite entertained,
and he just said the same, Yeah, I'm listening to
like this kind of World War two stuff as all.
He's doing like Hitler speeches at the start, which is
quite funny in a kind of hammy German accent. So forward, listen.
So today we have inter dimensional UFO hypotheses, so that

(04:24):
sounds very juicy. Before we even talk about it a
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Speaker 4 (05:10):
Right then. So what you're going to do in nowm
and is you're going to tell me what the crack
is with interdimensional ufolls.

Speaker 2 (05:19):
Yes. So the reason for this was because I enjoy
when people start coming up with wild speculation on what
the UAPs are, because we know at this point that
there's weird things going on in the sky that they're seeing,
and it seems like it's not any one's military on Earth.

(05:43):
So the next thing you just assume is it's an
extraterrestrial kind of thing. But I love these other ideas
with the interdimensional stuff, you start getting into real weird
how strangers here. Last week we did an episode on
the Gin, and I think we briefly touched on how
the Gin could be said to have that high strange
the thing that we've called the other another podcasts, so

(06:05):
or another episodes where you could say that they are
responsible for metaphysical Bigfoot, or they are responsible for ghosts,
or they are responsible for UFOs in some ways as well.
So we've tried to cover a good bit of what
some of these hypotheses are. We have some of the
heavy hitters. We have Jack Vallet, we have John Keel
I think comes into this. So there was a good

(06:26):
few little bits and pieces. But to get specific, the
interdimensional UFO hypothesis, which we will abbreviate to IDH or
IH during this episode, it passes that many UFOs might
not originate from other planets in the conventional extraterrestrial sense,
but rather they're from other dimensions or realities that coexist

(06:49):
alongside our own. And that's the important One dimensional brings
on a sci fi element, right whereas reality, I think
brings on more of a high strangeness element. If that
makes sense.

Speaker 4 (07:00):
I'm kind of with you.

Speaker 2 (07:01):
Kind of. It's it's pretty descriptive, to be fair, like
the I got lucky with some of the notes, So
I got lucky these alternate realms, which overlap with ours,
intermittently bleed through or interact with our physical space via
portals or dimensional windows, which allow beings or crafts to
manifest temporarily in our world. So we're focusing on UAPs

(07:25):
or UFOs here. We're not focused on abduction or Googles
or anything like that. Just so you're aware, we're not
getting into metaphysical Bigfoot with this, although it may be
a similar force. Meta physical Bigfoot is a crack and
UFO pilot a cracking. I thought you meant like it's

(07:46):
the cracking, like he drives the cracking cracking, because you
can understand where I came from given the nature of
this podcast, because we have had those stories where like,
if you think about the story we had about remember
one Bigfoot landed in a helicopter and way off the clothesline,

(08:07):
and then like a convertible Bigfoot in the convertible was
another one. Yeah, Like if you consider that these things
could manifest as anything, you would occasionally have a kind
of a funny, yeah, sort of a thing. There's another
one I heard about recently. It was someone saw something
It was like Bigfoot, but it was an octopus crossing

(08:28):
the road. So it was like this giant tentacle octopus,
but it was brown and hairy, which sounds terrifying. Oh yeah, cool,
I like that. Yeah, it's weird, Like yeah, it's kind
of like spiderish. But I guess more Bendy, more Bandy
and Bendy.

Speaker 4 (08:45):
We haven't had a lot lately, you know, we need
to kind of bring it back into the public sphere.
Dok Man. There's a lot of dog Man. Yeah, doc
Man have dropped.

Speaker 2 (08:56):
I was going to take over.

Speaker 4 (08:58):
It was a favorite picture Man twenty twenty twenty three,
dog Man Feverite Pitch, Where's the Man?

Speaker 2 (09:04):
The dog Man flew too close to the sun.

Speaker 4 (09:08):
Must have done.

Speaker 2 (09:09):
Dog Man just got rid of him. No more dog Man,
No more dog Man.

Speaker 4 (09:13):
He's a second album and it didn't his I think.

Speaker 2 (09:16):
That's dog Man is like the Babylon zoo yea spaceman
comes out and everyone's like, this is amazing, and then
he listened to the album and you go, oh wow,
this is really poor. Yeah dog Man, And I love
the way dog Man, you know, his whole backstory. He's
a sort of a demonic entity just dog Man. Maybe
it's the name. Do you think dog Man let him down?

(09:37):
If we called him.

Speaker 4 (09:38):
Let him down.

Speaker 2 (09:38):
Yeah, like if big was.

Speaker 4 (09:41):
More Yeah, like, if people had to just stuck aware wolves,
he probably would have been all right, But we have
to we have to ruin it, had to ruin it.

Speaker 2 (09:48):
Call him dog man man. You know, super super.

Speaker 4 (09:52):
Here's a were wolf. Like, now he's ruined yourselves to blame.

Speaker 2 (09:57):
Yeah, do you know he had the flat Woods Monster?

Speaker 4 (09:59):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (10:00):
That woods monster has a nice like four syllables, sort
of has a nice ring to it. Dog Man. There
must be a dog Man in the comic books.

Speaker 4 (10:07):
Probably there is.

Speaker 2 (10:09):
Yeah, dude, you are going to read this and you
let us know about dog Man in the comic books. So,
rather than being purely physical vehicles traversing enormous interstellar distances,
UFOs under this hypothesis may be more akin to phenomena
of a paraphysical or paradimensional nature. The idea challenges the
standard extraterrestrial hypothesis, which assumes that all UFOs or spaceships

(10:34):
are from other planets. Instead, the IDH suggests a fundamentally
different ontology, where the phenomenon is not about space travel
but dimensional transition. So, if you think of it through
this lens, all of these bizarre UFO reports, sudden appearances
and disappearances, objects materializing and de materializing, or behaving in

(10:57):
ways that defy the laws of physics, can in a sense,
be more easily understood as manifestations of non ordinary reality
rather than advanced interstellar technology, because even if they were
going at the speed of light, it would still take
them a massive amount of time to find us.

Speaker 4 (11:15):
Right to get to us, So onlice, big Foot was
driving in his cracking hip and he'd find us. Yeah,
the cracking to be like reaching over planets and grab
and stuff and release the cracking. It's like it's a
giant drogalactic kind of cracking, about the size of a galactus.
It's just it's able to use planets to like slingshot

(11:36):
itself across the universe.

Speaker 2 (11:38):
The speed and your go faster, and the cracker is
like old beer the crack and shows up a bitch
slap sign Stein where it's fucking Tendril because he can
travel in time as well.

Speaker 4 (11:52):
Well.

Speaker 2 (11:52):
If you travel faster than speed light, none of the matters.
If you put your underpants on the wrong way around
and travel at the speed of light and walking moonwalking,
then you go back in time and then you could slap.

Speaker 4 (12:04):
Marvel a lot of matters. It's just your rest kond
of all and.

Speaker 2 (12:07):
It's really upset eld to just when you're reading the
comic book and someone diesier just like it doesn't matter. No, yeah,
it doesn't, No one cares.

Speaker 4 (12:15):
That began in the cynical death of Superman era in comics.

Speaker 2 (12:21):
Friend, that was like the nineteen nineties with Doomsday.

Speaker 4 (12:23):
Right, yeah it was, but rest in peace to my
Trenty Evan, he owned the comic book shop at the time,
and he was just like, I just seen the gross
monetization of comic books and actually ruined him because they
were like they had built up this death of Superman thing,
like it was like a built up thing, and I
was like, make sure to get all your limited edition

(12:45):
that the Superman comics were releasing a lot of different issues,
like a lot of different covers.

Speaker 2 (12:49):
The nineties, wasn't it when everyone thought there was variants?

Speaker 4 (12:52):
And then then they just brought him back like however
soon after, But didn't they, I think, because like I
have the paperback of that election.

Speaker 2 (13:00):
Dark Seed yeah or no not dark Seed thought Doomsday. Yeah,
dark Seed killed Batman before and then he came back
Omega beams. Batman went into the past. He was like
primitive Batman, Pirate Batman and Cowboy. We all know. Yeah,
just to sell well, not even to sell toys. Yeah,

(13:22):
it's a it's mad or what I would say, what
I would recommend to everyone is if you're not reading
Absolute Batman right now, you really should be because it's
so cool, so much it's so bad. No, it's so good.
It's so good. You'd read it and you think yourself,
Jesus a wonderful comic. It's really good. It's really good.

(13:44):
You have to forget everything you thought you knew about
Bruce Wayan, Bruce Wayne's comedian brother. He's Damon Wayne's and
Marilyn Waynes. Actually Batman's black. Actually he's actually here cripple lean. Yeah, No,

(14:06):
it is really good. He's he's basically he's not rich.
He's like giant. He's like if you old Romero was bad.
So I didn't say things like Jesus, No, he's he's
he's Caucasian. The cause was casun. He's but it's very good.
He's so all his friends are like trans scared to

(14:32):
his friends are trying one of our demo Demi. One
of them doesn't know what he is, but all his
friends are like the Riddler, Killer Croc, the Penguin.

Speaker 4 (14:46):
His friends, they hear his buddies together.

Speaker 2 (14:49):
No, but when you read it, it all works like
it works. He's only just please please Dragon, go back
and read My Batman Coming, written by Scott Snyder, one
of the best Batman writers ever ever skelet.

Speaker 4 (15:06):
And Scars Guard as ever Batman writer.

Speaker 2 (15:08):
Skeleton Scars Guard responsible. He's probably if there was ever
to be a Bruce Wayne Born, it probably came out
of Skeleton Scared gear. How many children do we reckon?
He had the other day for nine fourteen children.

Speaker 4 (15:19):
Think so yeah, not a babby washed.

Speaker 2 (15:23):
Proponents of the ideah also argue that UFO encounters are
not a modern novelty. Rather, they may be a continuation
of a far older phenomenon. What ancient civilizations would have
recorded as spirits, demons, deities, or mythological creators. Creatures might
well have been in contact with entities from these other realities.

(15:43):
In short, this hypothesis reframes USO UFOs not and USOS
I suppose as well, not just as alien visitors, but
as visitors from dimensions beyond their standard four dimensional space time,
true space, dam histories, mysteries. You don't have to read

(16:06):
the title, but I'm just having to laugh.

Speaker 4 (16:13):
I have me fucking chit here, you know, mince mince pie,
and I'm fucking hoping Chelsea in Barcelona place. Like Rick Flair,
the intellectual roots of the interdimensional UFO hypotheses trais back
to the early twentieth century occult and parapsychological thinkers. One
of the earliest and most influential of these proponents was

(16:36):
Mead Lane. Mead land By, an American academic and parapsychologist
who in the forties described flying discs as etheric and
also argued that they could pass a less dense plane,
the ether, into the dense level of matter that is

(16:56):
our physical word. Lane claimed that this being that the
being communicated with him telepathically, and that the ether ship
step piloted were piloted by humans in their own rights
from a different realm. This is fascinating them. And I
tell you why because I was reading about this only
today really, so this was kind of some what we're
reading syap between the two of us going on there.

(17:19):
I was watting literally that kind of idea about etheric
aliens that can move to ether and there was this
whole hypothesis and I assume is in this episode that
we're talking about right now, we're there now.

Speaker 2 (17:32):
Well, I actually there was a bit more on the
ethery stuff, but I left it out because we would
have been getting into like ten pages of notes and stuff.
So that's that's the unless you want to give us
a quick if you have any I don't have that
about it.

Speaker 4 (17:44):
I was literally just reading like literally just a comment
about someone's talking about it today, and I was like,
all right, that's kind of.

Speaker 2 (17:49):
When they say the ether is it kind of like
a nineteen forties way of saying what we're saying now
in a sense.

Speaker 4 (17:57):
Yeah, Like I I think what it means loosely, and
we talked about it a little bit on last week's
Many Folds.

Speaker 2 (18:06):
Is like the space between yeah.

Speaker 4 (18:08):
And that we can't we don't have the cognitive power
to be able to even contemplate what that is. Like
we're just like it's just not there for us, like
because we can't, like we see what we see because
that's how our brain, it tarpets, It can't intarpret.

Speaker 2 (18:22):
This speaking of last week's mine, when the two lads
saw the airplane graveyard, is that like an ether base
that that's in between maybe a vision.

Speaker 4 (18:36):
Through maybe like whatever get from that is like that
almost seems alternate reality. What I understood from the ether
was now, and I could be entirely wrong because I
haven't read into it extensively at all, But like the
idea would be rather that it's not an alternate Well,
I suppose it is an alternate reality because it's different
to watch to perceive, right, because your reality is what

(18:56):
you perceive, which rise right, I suppose, So it is
an alternate reality in a sense. But that sort of
idea of another like a plane graveyard, a pairing and
a place that isn't there while there is an alternate reality,
I don't think the ether's supposed to be that kind
of alternate reality, if you get me. That's more so
the the what we don't understand, rather than like I

(19:20):
it's probably just another manifestation of what we have here.

Speaker 2 (19:24):
Or so it's like something that we couldn't take.

Speaker 4 (19:29):
It's just like a whole different fucking thing, Madge. It
like shit, we can't even.

Speaker 2 (19:36):
Shy Sometimes when I wake up in the morning, I'm
half asleep. The first thing I tried to say to
myself to set myself up for the day, I say, today,
I'm going to fight battles. They are all surmountable. And
then I just get up and because you're expecting then
a lot of bullshit to hitch you in email form
at work, and you're just sort of more like, ah, yeah,

(19:58):
knew this was happening. Whereas I think if you go
it's going to be a good day today, then you're
immediately faced with the reality that it's not going to
be a good day. But if you're kind of prepared
for it, you're like, yeah, grand I knew this is
going to happen. This is alright.

Speaker 4 (20:09):
For some people out there are only dying to get
an email.

Speaker 2 (20:13):
Never getting I know people my nanny never got an
email in your life. Didn't have an email address?

Speaker 4 (20:19):
What about sassage trade? Did he have an email address?

Speaker 2 (20:21):
Oh? I didn't know, Now he might, I wondered, did
he ever do any No, No, he didn't have a computer,
so he definitely didn't have an email. But I wonder
did someone do an email on his behalf? Potentially I'd
imagine my mother might have done a few emails on
his behalf.

Speaker 4 (20:35):
Also, actually, I'm going to address this right now because
it's popped into my head and I was supposed to
address on the last week's many of us. So we
had a write in from one of our lovely listeners
who this happens like probably once a year, asked about
the whereabouts of our good friend and hosts of popular
podcast Conspiracy Guys Last Where he is? What's going on

(20:57):
with and best? I didn't reply in the email, and
I said I would talk about it on mini folds.
But since it's popped into my head now and i'm
your diversion, have to act on my impulses as they
come in.

Speaker 2 (21:12):
I think we might have talked about this recently.

Speaker 4 (21:14):
No, we've talked. We've talked about Nah, that was probably
about a year ago. Yeah, so yeah, they were just wondering,
like does anyone heard anything? So yeah, he's fine, Like
he's he's grand I know, let's not let me alone.
People are concerned, people people like him. You know, it's
a good it's a good problem to have where people

(21:35):
are wondering where they are and what you're doing, and
you know what I mean, they want more of you
do you know what I mean in a good way.
They're like, oh, I really enjoyed your contribution to the
entertainment sphere. So like, what's the crack? How are you
going to answer? Anyway? Yeah, he's all good, you know
what I mean. He's all good. If he was doing
anything mental, we tell you. But he's not. He's grand.

(21:57):
He's just I think as well. You know, there was
We've mentioned that a lot of times when we talk
about him. There was just changes in his life, really,
and I think when you have changes in your life
sometimes you know, you look at things and you vibe
and you see what you want them, why you don't
want them? I think as well, those conspiracy guys, like

(22:18):
our podcast is light wet because we're two idiots who
just made well, we made a lightweb by design. Actually,
to be fair, to give us some credit those conspiracy guys.
Was never light wet. It was never a lightweb podcast.
It was a heavy, hard podcast to edit. It was
a heavy, hard podcast to put together. And he is
one man, and it's very difficult for one man to

(22:39):
do all that I would imagine based on his work
Flom what I know that I wouldn't do it. I
can tell you that much from that because I just
wouldn't be into it. It's very heavy, and it's five
hours of what you're hearing is like ten hours of recording,
and there's a lot of work that went into those
conspiracy guys. So I would imagine if I was to
just has up my own theory, it's a lot of

(23:02):
work and it's a it's a big mountain to get
back into it because.

Speaker 2 (23:05):
It's a lot of work.

Speaker 4 (23:06):
And as well, if you've done it for a long
sustained time and you've had every success that you can
possibly have, it is what it is, so you're just
kind of like, yeah, all good. So I would imagine
he'll be back. He's an entertainer at heart, Gordo, and
he really enjoys doing what he does and always has
done as long as I've known him. He's enjoyed putting

(23:26):
himself out there. So I would imagine he'll be back.
You know, in the grand scheme of things, he's only
really been away properly for like two years. In the
grand scheme of things, he's been putting out, albeit like infrequently.
He had been putting out contown, so like in the
grand scheme of life. Two years, five years is not
a lot. Six seven years if you're's not a lot
if you're going to come back, Like if you think

(23:48):
about it, there's bands that go fucking that long without
putting out an album, do you know what I mean?
And then put an album you know he'll be back.
So I'm sure he appreciates the concern, and we love
our Gordo. He's a good Google. So where the am
I in the shit?

Speaker 2 (24:04):
John?

Speaker 4 (24:05):
Keep John Keel? How are you getting on? A seminal figure?
In paranormal research, he adopted and expanded the idea. Heil
coined the term ultra terrestrials true to describe entities that
might exist on a different wavelength or dimension that isn't
strictly alien, not strictly spirit, but something more fluid. He

(24:29):
drew parallels between ufolls, scryptieds, folkloric creatures, and ghostly phenomena,
arguing that all could originate from the same under the
underlying paradimensional source. So this is I mentioned this maybe
a week or two ago, about the idea of UFOs
and aliens potentially being something beyond our comprehension.

Speaker 2 (24:50):
Some sort of force that we don't understand yet.

Speaker 4 (24:53):
Yeah, now I'm not as mad on the idea of ufoll, scrypteds,
folklors all of these things called on be the same thing,
like they're cold, but I would like to believe that
they're probably different.

Speaker 2 (25:05):
I think it could be both. Yeah, could they could
be manifesting as things like even when we talked about
mimic entities where you see your ma in a room,
but then she comes in through the front door or something,
then she's gone, Like possibly stuff like that. I mean
John Keel sort of made famous for his investigation of
the Mathman sort of incident, let's call it in point pleasant.

(25:30):
So yeah, no, I I this resonates with me. Like
for me, I'm like, yeah, that's probably the one that
I and the next bit on Jack Vallet. I think
there's there's something here, and I think it might explain
a lot of what this stuff is.

Speaker 4 (25:45):
I think we I'm kind of wonder not like it's
all of this, Like there seems to be a lot
of these kind of catch all theories coming out lately
about all of this stuff. Is it just a way
to kind of try and neatly wrap it up into
a paracelang or that what it all is.

Speaker 2 (26:01):
Well, I think, and I think we're sort of reading
a paragraph or whatever, so it's it's kind of trying
to do that because it's a paragraph.

Speaker 4 (26:08):
But no, I mean in general, like because it's like
a lot of big Foot people go like it's flesh
and blood or metaphysical. Big Foot people sort of say, yeah,
like the ghost thing or that is all alien or
all gin yeah, or like that's what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (26:27):
It's like it's the government, it's all yeah.

Speaker 4 (26:30):
It's like a power struggle to just kind of wrap
it up into a nice little thing. You know.

Speaker 2 (26:35):
What you'll find in these kind of let's call them
high strangeness circles or other And it's not just high
strange because high strangeness has certain connotations as well, whereas
UAP maybe central stuff doesn't really have not necessarily. Yeah,
I think if it's like when we talk about religion,

(26:55):
when someone says this is the way it is, and
I know it's this way, and I'm like, you don't
know it's that way. One of us do, and you know,
credit if you're having your beliefs and all the rest
of it, but none of us we might have faith
or we might have belief, but there's no objective truth
that shows us this is the way, you know.

Speaker 4 (27:11):
It's only ideas that could possibly explain it. And I
like that when people take that approach.

Speaker 2 (27:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (27:17):
Yeah, even likes Brother Richard, like he's obviously the about Catholic,
but like sometimes when like when he's been on and
when he's been guesting on the podcast, like generally speaking,
he won't speak well, he never will actually like absolute certainty,
but he would he would pause a theory of like
yeah that like from his lens, it's obviously he says
stuff that might have earned the Bible and he would go, oh, yeah,

(27:40):
well that thing could be that thing in the Bible,
which is quite interesting.

Speaker 2 (27:44):
The same because I remember he said one thing that
stuck with me. He said loads of things that stick
with me because he's such an interesting person to talk to.
But he said something I can't remember how it came up,
but he just sort of remember he laughed about somebody
just said that, well, look I know what's going to
happen when and it was a very like And I
think he would be someone who's very open to ideas,

(28:05):
but I think that he probably has his faith and
his belief is pretty concrete in the Fansiscan you know,
the Catholic Franciscan tradition.

Speaker 4 (28:16):
Nice like when you talk like because you and I
he's in.

Speaker 2 (28:21):
This, we're sort of half nihilistic.

Speaker 4 (28:23):
Yeah, yeah, which is so it's quite refreshing actually when
you talk to someone that has that certainty.

Speaker 2 (28:29):
I think that we want. I would love to have that, Yeah,
Like I wouldn't like to have it in a sort
of a radical lives. I need to destroy everyone who
doesn't believe in me. But I think that for Franciscan
tradition is such a nice open way of kind of
having a set of beliefs.

Speaker 4 (28:45):
You know, if you're about the Jesus life. Don't get
me wrong, if you're if you're about the Jesus life,
it can be wholesome if that's for you, Like if
the glow fits like I watched sometimes the Outdoor Boys,
and you should be able to watch out door Boys.

Speaker 2 (28:59):
Then the fellows who would talk to the lads about
the lions and you know.

Speaker 4 (29:03):
No, no, he's he's a guy. And he's set up
YouTube channel for his two kids, like when when they
were young and he just called the channel Outdoor boys,
but like he's I think he's from. I don't know
where he's from. Actually he was, He's Canada, America there,
but he he does all these mad videos like where
he goes out to Alaska for six days like fucking camping,

(29:24):
and but he does it all over the place. He
like he's actually don't want with the hands to try.
We talked about on the podcast many mines ago. But
he's a Jesus man and like he doesn't Carson videos
and like when the family rock up. So he did
run a watch recently where he's in like Alaska I
think it is, and he's out like literally in fucking

(29:47):
minus fourteen camping and ship and like the closest the
family flying a couple of days into the video, and
like they go to church and all in that place
and meet with the community there as like a church thing,
do you know what I mean? So like I get like,
so when you watch that and you see people that
are about that and they get something really nice out
and like as he's coming out with charge, she's like,

(30:07):
oh that was great.

Speaker 1 (30:07):
You know.

Speaker 4 (30:07):
They're real nice people talking to him here and their stories,
So like I suppose you get it. There's a lot
to you know, community as well, which we don't have.
Like everyone likes to talk big about community. We all
talk about is big, like oh that's the problem what
every whatever, But like no one is actually willing to
put in the.

Speaker 2 (30:24):
Effort and there's very few that's actually come in to
fill the void. Yeah, you know religion's absence. Now, look,
we saw what elements of religion did to Ireland and
it was very destructive in a lot of ways. But
and that's obviously why then there's an institution. We see
the problem with any the problem with any.

Speaker 4 (30:44):
Group of people comes in institution.

Speaker 2 (30:46):
And then an institution is led by people, and people
are easily corrupted by power. And unfortunately, no matter no
matter how I suppose, no matter.

Speaker 3 (30:55):
What your your your ideology is, whether it's good like
you would argue the Catholic ideology is on the whole
good you know, Unfortunately, as humans, it doesn't really matter
what you stand for.

Speaker 2 (31:08):
Some people, unfortunately, are very badly corrupted by power and
they do atrocious things because of it. Should we start
a cult, Yes, because I would like to be corrupted
or and do things. It would be the Vince McMahon
of the Monster.

Speaker 4 (31:22):
Why why do all these why can't we them?

Speaker 2 (31:26):
Like, to be honest with you, I don't think i'd
have the I don't think i'd have the waiterithal to
actually lead a cult of people be like lass fuck off. Yeah,
that's the thing, imagine help. Like I'm like, as a
manager in my day job, it can be massively like
just having people all day ask your stuff or look
for your guidance, and sometimes you want to be like,

(31:47):
I don't fucking know, like just you know. But I
think as a cult leader, you could never be like here, lads,
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (31:52):
If I'm also co leaders a sociopathic And I do
think sometimes I'm like, do I have sociopathic tendencies? But
then I just remember, I'm like, I don't care enough
to do what sociopaths do.

Speaker 2 (32:02):
I think that we all probably have elements of you know,
we're not sociopathic, but you probably have small elements of
things you don't care about or someone would care more
about X, Y and Z.

Speaker 4 (32:12):
But like, but sociopathic people are like people manipulators. Yeah,
but I was like, oh that's why no, I'm not.
I'm like, I just don't care enough to really care to.

Speaker 2 (32:22):
Do that imagine like there must be something about wanting
to be a cult leader. Like I've never wanted to
lead anything, and if I ever wind up in a
position of leadership, it's just a natural way that it happens.
I don't I don't like to have dominion over people.
I don't like to have to wear over people. But
if you were like, here's a cult and I have
all the answers, and I'm going to sleep with everyone's

(32:43):
wives no matter what the call it is, that's kind
of he just starts having sex with everybody.

Speaker 4 (32:48):
It's usually usually revolve what's.

Speaker 2 (32:51):
The number one way to exert some level of control
and dominion over people is to fuck them? Like you
know what I mean? And all these cult leaders is
when they're all riding around with everyone's wife, You're like,
oh yeah, like that's like this is this is some
sort of manifestation of control and power.

Speaker 4 (33:08):
Yeah, like.

Speaker 1 (33:12):
A lot of crypt, a lot of crypt.

Speaker 2 (33:20):
But even I was thinking about this the other day,
like like people people who have like secret families or
like decades long affairs, you kind of just go, how
do you manage that? Like the level of stress you'd
be under just to manage that yeah, like I don't.
I just don't get it.

Speaker 4 (33:39):
Yeah, you know.

Speaker 2 (33:40):
But for some people that's a totally no. It's just
you have like.

Speaker 4 (33:45):
I suppose you have one life, you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (33:47):
That's another way look at you.

Speaker 4 (33:48):
I mean, like you have one life, might not have
five wives.

Speaker 2 (33:51):
Like, No, five is a lot. Now. I'm just yeah,
I have my hands full with the one wife. I
was thinking the other day that speech when Rocky is like,
it's not about how many times you get knocked down,
it's about how many times you get up. And I
was thinking that we said, was like, Rocky, is theretten
to be said for just lugging down for a while?
Every time I get up, I'm taking hiding. I'd love
to just rest for maybe a month or two year, Rocky, please, Right.

Speaker 4 (34:15):
So we'll get back to that. We were talking about
the wherewithal or sorry not to wear with all the
catch all farm there So, the most influential modern proponent
has been Jacques Villet, a computer scientist and neupologist. In
his book Passport to Magonia, Valley argued for a parallel
universe that coexists with ours. I'm positive that UFO encounters

(34:38):
are deeply interwoven with folklore and myth throughout human history.
Vallet is thinking influenced even j Allen Heinek, the renowned
astronomer and UFO investigator who gradually accepted that UFOs might
originate not from distant planets but other dimensional intelligence. Right,
So that does this dude, when he's talking about so

(34:58):
like alternate time mention.

Speaker 2 (35:01):
Jack Valley is one of the He's closely linked in
with Skinwalker Ranch. So George Knapp him there there there
was a lot of stuff there. But basically when you
let's just assume that skin Walker which I think we're
gonna need to read up Skinwalker Ranch. Yeah, like we really, Yeah,

(35:23):
let's see if we can do it worse than we
did the first time. But he so like he would
have experienced a lot of these things and these were
that was like super high strangers and lots of UFO stuff.
There's fucking dog men all over the place, big foot
falling out of portals, like absolutely wild ship going on
in Skinwalker Ranch, and Jack Vallet would have been involved

(35:46):
in that. Now he's actually he's on He's got a
quite a French accent. So sometimes like to the to
the Anglo ear it can be sometimes difficult to kind
of not you can't understand them, but it's it's heavily accented.

Speaker 4 (35:59):
You have to like our listeners.

Speaker 2 (36:01):
Yeah that they're like, I love the lilt of the
Irish accent. I have no fucking clue what you're like
Jack's Valley there.

Speaker 4 (36:09):
Spotify still has worked to do when it comes to transcribing.
It's like, that's not stop picking us up properly yet.

Speaker 2 (36:15):
And our accents aren't even that no wild, but yeah,
it's like, I guess what I'm saying is it's a
very interesting thing with him. He was on I listened
to him on Rogue and he's like three hours talking
about all this stuff. But it's it's bizarre, like because
again he is like a It's I love it when
people are physicists, or they have some sort of a

(36:38):
computer scientist, or they have some sort of actual hired skill,
but they're massively involved in this because they add a
little bit of an interesting wrinkle to it, you know,
But how how would they how would they get here?
Rob dimensional stuff? So how would it?

Speaker 4 (36:54):
I thought it was a cracking but telling me it
could be.

Speaker 2 (36:57):
A big foot like kind of like a Mighty morphin
Power Ranger Megazord. But it's a crack and I like
the idea of an organic machine. There's something in there
that keeps coming back to me. An organic machine like
a robot that is not a cyborg exactly, but it's
like a controllable organic thing that can think, but it

(37:19):
also allows you to have agency over it in some ways.

Speaker 4 (37:23):
Space Track, no, they were, they were machines, aren't there?
But yeah, yeah, I get what you're saying. Yeah, I
don't know. My brain hasn't fully fleshed. Basically, you're trying
space horse space horse.

Speaker 2 (37:38):
Kind of a space horse. Yeah, so maybe maybe it's
like you would control it like like Avatar people put
your hair into the other things hair and then you go,
you know, you have some sort of interdependence or some
sort of coexisting.

Speaker 4 (37:53):
With the horse space horse dock and then you know
what each other rat and then.

Speaker 2 (37:58):
Around you have it like a sim biotic like thing.
Because the Mighty More from Power Rangels are kind of
like that, but with machines. So maybe we need a
sort of a David Lynch or sorry, David Cronenberg Mighty
More from where, Yeah, where it's just organic flesh flesh mechs.

Speaker 4 (38:16):
That was the first thing they came to my minder
when you said about existents.

Speaker 2 (38:19):
Actually, because that is the guns are kind of organic.
So something like that should have a movie was made
in the nineties. Look, how are behind ourselves? So how
do they get here? Well, commonly invoked ideas drawn from
modern physics, metaphysics, and esoteric traditions. So one mechanism that

(38:41):
they proposed would involve wormholes, portals, or tears in the
space time. That's kind of general sci fi type stuff.
So these are regions where the boundary between dimensions becomes permeable,
allowing objects or beings to move across. In some speculative models,
particularly those inspired by general relativity and theoretic physics, such
portals might be stabilized by exotic energy or even by

(39:05):
advanced intelligence manipulating space time. Of course, so there's Bigfoot
coming through a portal, will be kind of maount of Bigfoot.
The portal. Bigfoot was like he was like beast from
X Men. Like if you actually meet Bigfoot and you're
expecting this kind of wild, sort of primeval being, because
he's just like, oh hello.

Speaker 4 (39:26):
Right, smart evening evening? What times the bar.

Speaker 2 (39:30):
Can I trouble you for a light levation?

Speaker 4 (39:33):
Yeah, yeah, I mean listen, if you're to say that,
if you go down the this path of like it's
all mad shit, you can explain, you can say whatever
you want.

Speaker 2 (39:46):
Pretty much, it's yeah, pretty much.

Speaker 4 (39:49):
It's like the MCO. None of it matters, right, whatever.

Speaker 2 (39:51):
You want, it doesn't matter, what ever you want at
the wall, some of the stick Black Widow probably back.

Speaker 4 (39:58):
In twenty five shot twenty five films.

Speaker 2 (40:01):
Iron Man's one. Yeah, none of it matters anymore. If
you watched The Fantastic Four, doesn't matter, doesn't care, no matters.
Silver surfers a girl, it doesn't matter, no cares apparently
wasn't Silver Surfer, even though it was Silver Surfer.

Speaker 4 (40:18):
She's supposed to be good though she is.

Speaker 2 (40:20):
Yeah, as far as Silver Surfer was, Yeah, crap, dirt,
it's fine. It's fine.

Speaker 4 (40:28):
Crap. Like they were, like I can't get over Eddie
and like because like I like Eddie as an actor,
but that fucking.

Speaker 2 (40:34):
He flames on man was just down. No, he he doesn't.
He's not Johnny. But I think because Johnny Blaze was
such a fucking idiot and he was he was him
and Iceman, they were womanizing. Dick's pretty much right, Hey baby,
Oh your breasts are big? Oh I want to ride
my sisters storm? What's wrong with me? But in this

(40:57):
they they kind of I think they had to tamp
that down because that doesn't really float in twenty twenty
five as it did even then. I think they have
to have like even important hobe. I think when they're
just like, are you consenting to be spitting into your eyes?
Are you consenting to be slapping you in the hours?

Speaker 6 (41:16):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (41:18):
And she's like no, and he's like oh, and then
the porn just ends one, doesn't that. So from a
cosmological perspective, ideas from string theory and multiverse theory lends
some metaphoric support to the interdimensional hypothesis. So in string theory,
which I believe people are starting to say is a
lot of hogwash now, except actual string theorists won't imagine

(41:41):
reality may have many more dimensions than the four that
we experience. So Grahame English has said that these extra
dimensionals are compactified or hidden under certain conditions, and if
these conditions were in a certain form, and these could
then traverse or oscillate between them, between the strings. That's

(42:06):
the sound they make. Yeah. On a metaphysical side, some
interdimensional UFO researchers would draw on spiritual traditions that describe
layered realities. So you've got your mystical teachings, your religious cosmologies,

(42:30):
and occult theories which often posit realms beyond the physical.
And you see this in CE fives. Do you know
what that is? Close encounters of the.

Speaker 7 (42:40):
Fifth kind, where people basically say, if you sit out
in your back garden, you can use your consciousness to
summon UFOs effectively.

Speaker 2 (42:52):
This is what doctor David Greer became somewhat, but a
lot of other people who would not agree with what
Greer says actually like you. For example, if you go
to the back garden there on a cloudless night and
you just go, come on, come on, guys, come on.
But there is something And I think we've in the
last many of us a couple of a couple of

(43:12):
days ago, someone sending a story and they're saying that
this orange light they felt it wreck there was some
sort of recognition between them. And so some people are
saying that these craft themselves may be conscious and the
craft might actually be the alien and the little fellow
pilot in it is the robot, Like, this is what
I mean. You can say anything you want. Now, some

(43:35):
people are saying that that's a possibility, which is obviously
class We obviously love that. It's just, you know, I.

Speaker 4 (43:43):
Believe personally in space withverns. Withverns fly around like a
withvern and or ethereal.

Speaker 2 (43:51):
I believe in space ramons and the.

Speaker 4 (43:54):
Show up and they go, oh and the kind of
flying look like a Horsey dragon, the kind of thing
that's pretty cool.

Speaker 2 (43:59):
And then yeah, yeah, that that all sounds lass.

Speaker 4 (44:03):
Yeah, and and they also then send speciships for laugh
They just send them in their mind.

Speaker 2 (44:09):
They have the wavers are like.

Speaker 4 (44:11):
The wouldn't they just send them in their mind?

Speaker 2 (44:14):
They don't mean to It's like rogue from X Men.
She didn't mean to steal your powers, but now she
has powers that she stole.

Speaker 4 (44:20):
From and now you can't touch her.

Speaker 2 (44:26):
Having sex with a Mormon and they put the sheet
between themselves. So yeah, I don't know. I heard that somewhere.

Speaker 4 (44:31):
Let's try. Sounds kind of interesting. Way, wow, sounds interesting
at least?

Speaker 2 (44:37):
Well, I think if you put on like morphs it
wouldn't work. But you had some sort of body body latex.

Speaker 4 (44:44):
Morphs works for is getting molested. I was quick, but
I don't know. As a man, I didn't really.

Speaker 2 (44:56):
No one cares when things like that happened to men,
Like no one cares.

Speaker 4 (45:00):
And it's like widening out like like I mean, like
stuff that if a lad was you're getting slapped or
the drink on your head like I was getting irish grab.

Speaker 2 (45:08):
Or like other lads are getting angry with you.

Speaker 4 (45:10):
For crab Mickey grabbed Mickey and I grabbed, Yeah, pinch stars.

Speaker 2 (45:17):
Finger, yeah, all of them, all of it. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (45:22):
When I wore Marses and I have nightclubs, there's one
couple of times it's actually falling off. I warm like
morses and nightclubs like too many times, quite a couple
of times.

Speaker 2 (45:31):
Enjoy getting the outres grab like you go down on Halloween.
You want to be going down on a bank holiday.
You could because you could remember back years ago when
I was doing the band turn Around and like every
now and then some drunk going to just get on

(45:51):
stage and start grabbing you, and while you're trying to
sing some really terrible pop song and you.

Speaker 4 (45:57):
Just be like any no.

Speaker 2 (46:01):
Of the ones that are little to no use, like
little to know you. And then after the giggy come
down and like some absolute fine one saying you sound
quite like Jeff Buckley, and you'd be like, I have
to get the van, all right, go on, I get
you again, or she was much too exceptional use or

(46:29):
I or now as is she? I hope doing well?
Whoever she was someone after she was listening to this
podcast and he's like one.

Speaker 4 (46:42):
Strong.

Speaker 2 (46:43):
She's wearing a more suit, just grabbing herself.

Speaker 4 (46:47):
Thinking at that time that you talked about in your van.

Speaker 2 (46:50):
Yeah, I must get into my van, singing like Jeff Buckley.
She was, but I'm afraid to love you.

Speaker 8 (46:58):
She was like, how does he look like thens Washington?
And that's that's.

Speaker 4 (47:10):
Like, we want to stop talking on Spotify.

Speaker 2 (47:16):
Turned into herself. These people fighting to get out of me.
So astral planes the world of similitude. So for example, Sufism.

(47:36):
In Sufism, there is a concept of a hidden, multi
layered reality inhabited by beings like gin or angels. We
talked about all this garbage a few weeks ago and
it was little to no use. So yeah, cross dimensional
in both the physical and existential sense, believe it spiritual.

Speaker 4 (47:56):
Now that all sounds crapple. Unfortunately, there are some criticisms
to Brian. Although the interdimensional UFO hypothesis is intellectually rich
and yeah, deeply imaginative, there are challenges, of course, especially
from scientific and philosophical standpoints. One of the most fundamental criticisms,

(48:19):
of course, is the lack of falsifiability. The hypothesis describes
entities and phenomena that may not lie within the realm
of testable, repeatable scientific observation. As noted by skeptical analysis,
id H is often more akin to a belief system

(48:40):
than a strict scientific.

Speaker 2 (48:41):
Hypothesis, which I think is pretty fair criticism. I believe
I like it.

Speaker 4 (48:47):
Without clear measurable predictions, it is difficult to design experiments
yeah that could confirm or falsify these theories and ideas.
Another issue is the violation or reinterpretation of known physical laws.
Some uf ALL sightings under the interdimensional framework are said
to involve craft at the fire, gravity to accelerate without

(49:07):
the sonic boom, or appeared to the materialize, all of
which may conflict with conventional understandings of aerodynamics or energy.
Critics argue that appealing to other dimensions to explain these
anomalies is conceptually convenient but scientifically unsatisfying. It's like Star
Wars versus Star Trek.

Speaker 2 (49:30):
Star Trek is probably the more scientifically viable stars.

Speaker 4 (49:35):
Generally, it's like, yeah, it's the more boring lads like
Star Treks, the cool LODs like Star Wars, like all
the cool Star.

Speaker 2 (49:40):
Wars ladders you mad, and then the other friends like
make my dinner, I want your chicken gurry and it's
just manifests in front of you and will be Goldberg
selling you drinks at.

Speaker 4 (49:48):
The bar, not Star Trekers.

Speaker 2 (49:51):
I was never a big Star Trek Ghak fan. All lighters, no,
there's not even one light saber. There's any lightsabers, which
is and even the you know lights.

Speaker 4 (50:01):
Everything in the Star Trek is scientifically accurate.

Speaker 2 (50:06):
Where what science like scientifically accurate? Just sure the Medicurians
another name Medicurian.

Speaker 4 (50:14):
Medicalorians, just go do that for me there and they
do the force. They're better fucking wreck to the USS Enterprise.

Speaker 2 (50:21):
Dark dark Vader, Dark Vader Dark Vader actually would wreck
the whole Actually, Star Trek. Star Trek would have been
a very short series of episodes or seasons or whatever,
or there's like too many star treks as well.

Speaker 4 (50:37):
He squashed cards wanky head like the.

Speaker 2 (50:40):
Squashedds like a melon. There you go, there's the quote
of the week. He squashed the guards like a melon.
Perfect perfect fucked.

Speaker 4 (50:53):
From a philosophical or better physical view, some argue that
the I d H risks rare of fine metaphors, just
be because physical theories, like string theory, positive extra dimensions
doesn't necessarily mean those dimensions host intelligent beings in flying craft. Further,
the hypothesis may fall into Ockham's razor critiques. The most
likely thing I deploy Ockham's razor to this debate.

Speaker 2 (51:17):
All this time, I've had my Ockham's razor face down it.

Speaker 4 (51:22):
There's more parasamonious to stream and dark to explain the
UFOs as visitors from other planets, or to posit a
complex multi dimensional reality with beings crossing into our world.
Yeah true. Finally, among religious or spiritual critics, some warned
that the idea h can blur lines between mystical belief

(51:43):
and empirical investigation, potentially conflating folklort and real interdmensional entities.
This is what I talked about last week. I was
saying that the flesh and blood Bigfoot guys don't like
entertaining the high strange woo side of it because it
basically just ignores any research that has happened. Quotation quotation,

(52:09):
So make that what it will, you know. But but
that does mean that, like if you were to believe
in these more abstract sort of tapestries of theories here,
that you couldn't really well, I suppose you could believe
in Patterson and Giblin, but it would just mean that
Patterson and gave Then is a different thing to why
you think it is right. It's not flesh and blood

(52:31):
that Patterson's saying.

Speaker 2 (52:33):
It's well, see, I suppose That's the other thing is,
can you know, could both things be real?

Speaker 4 (52:42):
Yeah, well potentially, But I suppose when you're trying to
follow a line of inquiry about something that has very
little tangible evidence, you probably should decide with the more
real side of it y versus the it's some mad
concip like, yeah, I think that's like, that's probably like, yeah,
because you're jumping the gun a bit, right, Well.

Speaker 2 (53:04):
We're kind of we're kind of employing Plato's allegory of
the Dave in to weird cryptost ofthing like, oh, yes,
these are all just the shadows and blah blah blah,
which I think, on the face of it is a
fine thing to do. But you know, all this like
like if we look into physics enough, it basically just
proves that this isn't real. You and me sitting here,

(53:25):
the whole world. None of it's real. But we know
that it's real because we're here living it.

Speaker 4 (53:29):
Yes, we're so it's tangible.

Speaker 2 (53:31):
It's tangible. It just reel as the hair on my
head or the fact that you smashed John Luke's wanky
face into a melon and can Now we're gonna get
onto the fun stuff. Demonic hypothesis and this I was
inspired actually by this episode by the Demonic hypothesis because
your one Marjorie Taylor Green basically said they asked her

(53:55):
about the UAPs and she was like, I think they're
all demons from outer.

Speaker 4 (53:59):
Space, tj she's a rapper, is she teacher?

Speaker 2 (54:02):
Machine gun?

Speaker 4 (54:05):
Machine tommy gun? She goes out with them. You you're
one from Transformers?

Speaker 2 (54:10):
Who's your from Transformers? Oh?

Speaker 4 (54:12):
You want from Transformers?

Speaker 2 (54:13):
I know? Yeah, Megan the Stallion band tell us about Damon.
That's annoying Megan Fox Fox, that's Megan the Stallion. I
knew it wasn't I knew it was you, Megan. Do
you ever see that movie where she's a robot?

Speaker 4 (54:31):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (54:32):
I was in love, but your man, I haven't something
she does. Sure you wondering what is she like? Forty
five years?

Speaker 4 (54:42):
She's more. She's more machine than woman.

Speaker 2 (54:44):
Now don't I like knowing that machine? Do be looking for? So?
Demonic ufo hypothogies hypothesis suggests that UFOs are not neutral
or benevolent, but are instead spiritual entities that want to
hurt you, like demons, fallen angels, or spiritually corrupt beings.

(55:09):
So the phenomenon takes on more of a theological significance
with this rather than being an unexplained physical anomaly. Some
proponents believe that the demonic figures leverage the interdimensional portals
or realms described by IDH, using them to contact and
influence and manipulate human consciousness. So I suppose on this

(55:31):
there's like a giant siop almost by the demons with
the UAPs to make us, which I guess gets a
little bit into Bluebeam. If demons were running it rather
than the government themselves demons.

Speaker 4 (55:43):
That's more likely.

Speaker 2 (55:44):
Yeah, yeah again. More likely about this again, guys, is
just say whatever you want, whatever you think, and it's fine.
That's what I love about this. You can just say
anything you want.

Speaker 4 (55:55):
You thought it was blowbem, you thought it was a conspiracy,
but it's actually demons.

Speaker 2 (56:01):
Turns out it's actually demons that are doing Blue Beam.

Speaker 4 (56:04):
So the conspiracy is now a conspiracy.

Speaker 2 (56:06):
Of demons in the government. Who knows, yeh, Reptilian reptilians now.
Interestingly enough, according to some intelligence insiders, they say that
there are biblically minded people within the Pentagon who are
worried that the u aps that are being studied may

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represent demons coming from Hell. Which again, that's your MTG magic.

Speaker 4 (56:35):
The gather MTJ has alience, It does actually have aliens.

Speaker 2 (56:43):
Has everything answer Spider Man, all the Boys, and Jurassic
p t Rex magic. The gathering. I just there to
play cars. The t Rex shows up. Want are you
going to get yes, street Fighters there should older you
would surely get the Jurassic Park magic to gathering would

(57:08):
have Is it good threat? Did you win all the time?
When you use your dinosaurs, you're like, I choose you
or how does it work?

Speaker 4 (57:19):
Yeah? You got I play Alan Grant. Wa. What happens
depends on whatever you want to happen. There's lots of
synergies and handballs that could happen better than.

Speaker 2 (57:31):
His character, and like, so could Alan Grant.

Speaker 4 (57:34):
There's a card called don't Move and the picture is
Alan Grant with the flare in front of the t rex.

Speaker 2 (57:40):
No, to be fair, I don't think he had the
flare when he wasn't moving because the flare it was.

Speaker 4 (57:44):
Prior to that.

Speaker 2 (57:45):
But yeah, no, I get what the card is doing.
But that is a misrepresentation of everything that Alan Grant
stood for.

Speaker 4 (57:51):
Because he says don't move.

Speaker 2 (57:52):
No, not when he's holding no, because when the flare.

Speaker 4 (57:55):
Actually I'm sorry, no, don't move card. I think it's
a different art.

Speaker 2 (57:59):
Just not moving, is it.

Speaker 4 (58:03):
Yeah, it's it's it's cool, like, oh, it's it's actually
him standing in front of the tent. There is no flair.
I simply imagine.

Speaker 2 (58:12):
But though, yeah, that is very cool. They are working
those last they're not doing like a work around because
there looks like it's.

Speaker 4 (58:21):
Not a way. I just don'tnoy everyone.

Speaker 2 (58:23):
Yeah, it seems to annoy everybody.

Speaker 6 (58:26):
Banana banana like marijuana Tonight's is that?

Speaker 2 (58:37):
They go on? Oh, it's like the video is it?

Speaker 4 (58:41):
I think it might be a videos, but it's really images.

Speaker 2 (58:44):
Like really, I'm just gonna take a quick look at.

Speaker 4 (58:49):
Like if you put in like the langitude and latitude
of an area and be like put me here in
like whatever whatever time, Like someone did it for like
the cruciferiction and I just generated the picture of the
crucifixion forward.

Speaker 2 (59:04):
Oh yeah, there's Michael Jackson. Man.

Speaker 4 (59:08):
Really class it's very good, Like is it's so good
because it's just nano banano? Man?

Speaker 2 (59:13):
But how do they make it?

Speaker 4 (59:14):
Google?

Speaker 2 (59:15):
That? Google?

Speaker 4 (59:17):
It's very good though. I've used all today things at
different times, like mid journey, I've used Chaps image generation
and all those and responds way better.

Speaker 2 (59:27):
Cano like free again, that's free. It's mad that all
these things are free. You're going like and there's no
advertising on them introducing nano banano. So this is like
Gemini is part of the.

Speaker 4 (59:41):
Part of Gemini.

Speaker 2 (59:42):
Try Banano, Jeff Force, Gemini's class game, jeffs. Gemini is
pretty good?

Speaker 4 (59:47):
Are you telling I'm now right, you'll.

Speaker 2 (59:49):
Tell me to make a thing on Nano Banano?

Speaker 4 (59:54):
Second half of Barcelona?

Speaker 2 (59:57):
Sorry, will I use AI on that?

Speaker 4 (01:00:02):
The second half of Barcelona, Robert I'm reading or stuff away.

Speaker 2 (01:00:07):
Robert Billington scores the winning goals.

Speaker 4 (01:00:13):
Crypto terrestrial time travelers. Now, this terry proposes that non
human intelligence is responsible for you falls are not from
outer space or other dimensions, but rather already inhabit the Earth,
possibly underground, underwater, or in enclaves. These crypto terrestrials or

(01:00:34):
hidden earth beings may have evolved alongside humans.

Speaker 8 (01:00:38):
Amen, as long as taking to do stuff, it'll be quick,
man as fast.

Speaker 4 (01:00:43):
But there are men by mainstream society. What did you
put in your making?

Speaker 2 (01:00:51):
But I don't know who they do which Robert Billington.

Speaker 4 (01:00:54):
Will there's a no on Google. It will bring up
that ladders on British back off or something.

Speaker 2 (01:00:59):
This actually looks like it could.

Speaker 4 (01:01:00):
Be you maybe make this banana would know that you
are something beside me and it'll be like, yeah, this
fucking idiot. Let's let's saw this.

Speaker 2 (01:01:09):
Idiot, classic idiot. There's Robert bill the scares the winning goal.
That's very clever, but they didn't show your face.

Speaker 4 (01:01:17):
So well, that does look like my my.

Speaker 2 (01:01:20):
That's how you reacted. Last time I saw your score
was in the champions it was pretty good. I'm gonna
do another thing.

Speaker 9 (01:01:29):
You do that you're gonna put like my wife apologizing
something that I've never seen happen in real life. The
crypto threshial terry is sometimes subsumed under the broader ultra
terrestrial hypothesis, which encompasses all non human intelligences that are
non strictly alien. Interestingly intelligent community insiders have reportedly framed

(01:01:53):
such beings for stark metaphysical terms. For some there these
are not just aliens, but demons in the.

Speaker 4 (01:02:00):
Skies, transformers, lemons, and those skies.

Speaker 2 (01:02:05):
What's wrong with you?

Speaker 4 (01:02:07):
The theological as well as conspiratorial narratives. There is a
very about the time traveler hypothesis, which is that UFOs
are actually visitors from the future. Of course, these future
humans or post humans may have with last name. I'm sorry,
he's special. Yeah, now you've been sent me that, and

(01:02:29):
I'll put up on Instagram. Then everyone goes, oh.

Speaker 2 (01:02:31):
My god, he's sharing ai antwork.

Speaker 4 (01:02:35):
We can't.

Speaker 10 (01:02:37):
Winge having a crack wing winge A I it's all
over the jigs up AI because you know what, pretty
soon now there will be Banano doing AI monster fulls.

Speaker 2 (01:02:51):
I just love the way it's called Nano Banano. That
makes me really happy. It's like when the opened here
called happy belly. I just love the happy belly. What
could be the.

Speaker 4 (01:03:00):
Chinese are actually actually hacked one of the AI and
made it hack the American software companies oracles. I idea
like convinced that to just hack itself and hack other
American companies.

Speaker 2 (01:03:14):
Say what you want about communism, that the Chinese seem
to be doing it right.

Speaker 4 (01:03:17):
Yeah, I love them. Some versions of this idea reminiscent
of the ivy H Because time travel and multi dimensional
travel can overlap. Inspected the physics advance, beings might not
simply be out there in space, but out there in
time or dimensions. Everything is everything, and anything is anything.
Encryptids are everything and often Yeah, you still.

Speaker 2 (01:03:42):
Aiming one contemplating you've lost me. I'm not doing anymore?

Speaker 4 (01:03:50):
Yeah, type in legendary podcast aloemon ail and wait wait
for this one.

Speaker 2 (01:03:55):
I could make like a series if I use AMI
contemplating life and death. Maybe that's got like coming to
the end of my life span of nano banano images.

Speaker 4 (01:04:04):
Nano banano is really good at like if you put
in a picture of yourself, it will capture your likeness
really good.

Speaker 2 (01:04:12):
I like, again, my favorite thing about it is that
it's called nano banano. That's my favorite thing.

Speaker 4 (01:04:18):
Easy.

Speaker 2 (01:04:19):
You know, it's having a hard time trying to get this. Yeah,
that's hard, Like has never contemplated anything. Oh look I
can't do it. I'm having a hard time fulfilling your request.

Speaker 4 (01:04:29):
Can I have no need that? Yeah, you you need
to go sorry, legendary broadcast around on it, That's what
I mean. And then they're like, okay, I understand that
legendary broadcaster or even podcaster and brackets after that. But
podcaster in brackets after podcaster or if your stock. If
it's really having a hard time, then Washington lookalike competition.

(01:04:52):
When they're in my extra twenty twenty three, twenty twenty.

Speaker 2 (01:04:55):
Four, twenty five, they were they announced in January twenty six,
who's going to beat me at the Denzel Washington? I
can do a read like check out this when they
do your you know, every year you have to like
impersonate Denzel and I just go that's what.

Speaker 4 (01:05:16):
That's all I said. What I'm like The second half
of Chelseammarsal is on the your few.

Speaker 2 (01:05:28):
Doctor Amon was a prominent scott journalist.

Speaker 4 (01:05:33):
That's bulls. That's not that's cracked up. Not all that's
cracked up to be now Emmons, just knowing that there
so the inter dimensional. I bought this saus resident not
just in the UFO research circles, but in popular culture,
spiritual movements and speculative fiction. Of course, who remembers the

(01:05:53):
ship House film Indiana John's and the Kingdom of the
Crystal Skull. They used an option of a space between spaces?
Did anyone watch that? Probably not? Did I know? Did you?

Speaker 2 (01:06:05):
What was it trying to get? I'm trying to get
Nano Banano skirt than to Washington. That's a bit shy,
isn't it. Oh?

Speaker 4 (01:06:18):
Yeah, but you need to be more specifically sure knows
who is and she's always That's what prompt engineering is
all about.

Speaker 2 (01:06:26):
Like this visualized anything with Nana Banana.

Speaker 4 (01:06:28):
No, you can just say that's sorry, Nana. I don't
have division. Just tell him I'm adult.

Speaker 2 (01:06:37):
I'm not able to tell you what to do. I
don't have the requisite intellect.

Speaker 4 (01:06:44):
Use nano blano like someone that can use a shud
for me.

Speaker 2 (01:06:48):
I never thought. I just want to say, nana banano
into a Pringlet.

Speaker 4 (01:06:57):
Please help me bana on the missed sight.

Speaker 2 (01:07:06):
The spiritual traditions that looks like as a jpeg.

Speaker 4 (01:07:12):
You can talk into it if whether in Sufism, this
concept of a lamb al mattal the word of similitude,
or in Theosophy, Occultism and other esoteric systems. For these tinkers,
ufo encounters are not just sci fi awareness, but part

(01:07:33):
of a of a deeper perennial tradition of contact within
a spiritual intelligence. These are the idea of other worlds
may be right alongside hours, yet invisible. It's all a
bit really, what do you think about all that?

Speaker 2 (01:07:52):
Emon the only thing that I think, But you believe
nothing of what you hear, and only half of what
you see, and nothing of what you smell.

Speaker 4 (01:08:04):
Wise the words of.

Speaker 2 (01:08:08):
Some of what you taste, because if you drinking cokes
here you go, what a sugary delight. But actually there's
no there's there's a polymorph in it or something which
I think you can use to fill a crack in
the wall.

Speaker 4 (01:08:20):
As well polyphilps mixed up polyphilla.

Speaker 2 (01:08:23):
No, I'll ask Banana what the taste of scroll?

Speaker 4 (01:08:29):
But you need to put in like Dark Vader talking
about Patrick.

Speaker 2 (01:08:32):
Sewart, Darth Vader crushing.

Speaker 4 (01:08:38):
Well ladies and gentlemen. Unfortunately, that's all we have for
you today with last Em in the technology. This is
what happens is when you put monkeys in from the soon,
I will.

Speaker 2 (01:08:47):
Write the entire works of Shakespeare.

Speaker 4 (01:08:53):
General general image of the Okay, I've been robbed. I've
been naming Boster falls over and out.

Speaker 2 (01:09:02):
Nice