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(04:31):
actually enjoying just sitting down and talking. I don't have
to worry about scheduling people in. Then I could just
sit down and chatch it and hopefully it's at least
listenable for you guys. You know, I'm just gonna have
a sip of coffee here and then we'll get cracking.
So let's see what we'll do. First, we'll do with

(04:51):
a nice little light question and just got a few
bonds that are on your last legs. Tips on revival
and after care. I said this on one of the
past episodes there another one of you guys was asking
about Bonanzai. Could have Andrew Carney maybe basically just focus

(05:13):
on watering. You know a lot of people that get
into Bonzi. Funnily enough, Bonzai is like the the gateway
drug into the rest of the plant world. A lot
of people like myself included, actually like the aesthetic of
a Bonzai and there by Bonzai first, because the whole
concept of maybe a small tree that can keep inside

(05:35):
maybe even is kind of exotic and fun, and that's
what gets them into plant care and looking after plants
and having house plants in general. So you know, the
main things that are important with house plants and Bonzai
is keeping them in a good spot in the window
where they get a lot sun. That rule is generally
true for most plants, generally maketually water is a big

(06:00):
one with bonds I over and underwatering, and it really
does depend on the species of tree that you have.
So just get those two things down. Light and watering.
It's like those two principles very like those are the
fundamentals there to keep your plant alive, and don't worry
about trimming. Don't worry about any of that for the
first year, don't even worry about like, don't worry about

(06:22):
soil as long as it's got soil. Don't worry about repotting.
Just do less and focus on the basics. Your tree
will thank you for it, and it will grow, you know,
it will grow. And yeah, just make sure like there
are apps and well if you have a compass, I
supposed to can figure it out if you know what
aspect your house is is better your south face and

(06:44):
or westerly face. And the window that you put your
plant in. That's very important too. And most bonds I
need absolutely fulls on. So just make sure you sit
it in the full song. It has to get lots
of sun. Consider a little small led growl light, and
then you can actually build a nice little kind of

(07:04):
set up, maybe a little bit away from a window. Actually,
you can still get that sunlight from a window, but
if you actually move it maybe a little bit away
from a window, you can get a nice little stand.
You know, you could buy some nice little thing out
of Ikea maybe or somewhere like that and rig up
some led grow bulbs that could actually really help as well.

(07:25):
So there's never really like if you want to get
into it, there's no excuse not to. Even if you
don't have the window, you can sort of mimic natural
light if you want with the plants inside. So yeah,
so check it out that way, do you know what
I mean? A lot of time, what kills a bonsai
or any houseplant has either been too wet or too dry.

(07:47):
The principle that I use all the time to just
ensure that the plant is not too wet or too
dry is to stick my finger just on the top
of the soil or in the soil a little bit.
If I feel moisture, a lot of moisture, I know
it doesn't it watering today. If I feel a little
bit of moisturet I'm kind of thinking it needs a
bit of water. And if it's dry, it needs water
immediately and potentially a little solk for maybe twenty minutes.

(08:11):
This is fucking mad. That was turned into like I
never thought I'd be sitting on mansterful. I was given
fucking you know, plant talks. Eman. It's like this is
like when Emma goes to the bathroom and only comes
back and I'm talking about fucking Jim Caviezel or something.
That's how this happens. That's the long form now as

(08:31):
far as revival goals. If the plant looks down, if
the three looks dead, it's probably dead. Send me pictures
if you need to. Sometimes that happens to you. I
had a bond sime one time I killed and I
actually watered it for the bones of like three or
four months. But it was dushed. It was well dead.
Let's see what we got here, saw. David Charlie asks,

(08:59):
Dave spen with us, very very long time. He's been
i'd say probably the first four or five months of
the podcast, asks most recent piece of art that moved you,
whether it was a song, movie, TV show, a book,
video game, et cetera. Sip a coffee first, right, Actually,

(09:20):
I tell you so what we'll expect on that idea
a little bit, and I'll talk about the first piece
of art that moves me and why well one of
the first, one of the first I had like a
profound effect on me. And we'll talk about the most recent.
We'll talk about the most recent. First. I think at
the minute, I'm playing a video game called Expedition thirty three,

(09:43):
which is challenging to say as an Irish person because
you want to say Expedition thirty three, but thirty three
would be the correct one. I plan that at the minute,
and I am I really like that as a piece
of art actually, as it's one of those Visually it's
amazing both graphically it looks well, but also the art design.

(10:09):
If you're not familiar with this game, Expedition thirty three,
it is a j RPG gameplay styled game, so if
you're not familiar with video game talk, think about your
final fantasies or even kind of like while the pokemon
is like term based from back in the day, but

(10:30):
that kind of thing anyway, And it has those sensibilities both.
It's developed by a French studio who have updated the
gameplay style and then also injected the French art philosophy
and design into the game. So it's got all like

(10:52):
French terminology, French imagery, everything looks very French. Everyone's named
after French characters and things like that. It reminds me
a bit of a game called Eternal Sonata. I think
I talked about this on the pod before as well.
A bizarre game that a lot of people have actually

(11:13):
forgotten about, where you play as a chopin the Polish
piano composer in his fever dreams when he's dying of
to work at losses. As absurd as it sounds, and
this was a game that was a game that actually
touched me in an artistic sense actually back in the

(11:34):
day it came out, Like I was probably like nineteen
twenty or something when that came out, and I was
always interested in chopin and piano music, but like when
I came out, I was like, this is fucking mental.
That is something. I think it was a Japanese studio
about that one. But that was a weird game, but

(11:58):
it was really cool. And this game, Expedition thirty three
kind of reminds me of it in some ways. I suppose,
maybe just because it's a bit different. It's a bit
more European in its influence, so maybe that's why it
reminds me of it. But it's a fantastic game. I'm
about I want to say two thirds through maybe, yeah,

(12:18):
two thirds of me in like Act three I think
it is. And I played for a fairly extended period
last night. I actually got like probably about six hours in,
which is rare that I'd sit down that long, and
I'm really really enjoyed it. Actually, it's very very cool.
The story seems really interesting now. Kind Of at the start,

(12:39):
I was a bit like, yeah, this is cool, this
seems cool. But now it's starting to get batshit, which
is what I like, where it's like just you know,
throwing a lot of things actually that you have to
sit down and think about. So that is touching me
nicely at the moment. And I would also say that

(13:02):
five Fancy seven Rebirths or whatever the fuck is very
was very good, and that touched me quite a lot
as well. Actually, But that I think is a lot
to do with nostalgia. You know, like I have a
lot of sentimental ties to that game as a child,
so they remake and rebirth and all that jazz is
always going to have a tux to me a little

(13:23):
bit more than say anything else, because nostalgia, as we're
seeing in literally every form of media now, nostalgia is
basically the main driver. Like if you think about it,
behind the most like it's kind of weird in a way,
and I'm thinking, just off the top of my head,
now at a minute. So, but like if you actually

(13:45):
look at most sort of consumerist kind of shit that's
going on right now, it's all based off nostalgia, right,
It's always it's all trying to get its talks in
you from a retro angle. Has that always been the way?
I don't know. I don't think so. Like, I don't

(14:06):
think so because I think if you go back to
like the seventies the eighties, like a lot of the
newer stuff coming in was just cotting edge. It was
just kind of cool shit, and so people were jumping
on that. But like now it's like remember when you
were like Jurassic Park when you were six, here's more
drastic park of shit now, you know, it's always, it
seems to me nowadays like every company is trying to

(14:28):
cater towards the parent and the child, you know, or
the manchild. I myself, But it does seem like that's
the case, right you look at all of the main
sort of driving forces in media now at the minute,
it is that whereas before, like there was a lot

(14:50):
of stuff that was just like not for kids, do
you know that that people were into It was like
this isn't kid shit. There's like it's like ALERGIEB but
like that seems to be like nowadays, there seems to
be less of that, so it's always like, oh, you
can enjoy this with the family. This is like universal,
whereas like, I don't know, I kind of felt when
I was younger there was a lot more fucking only

(15:13):
for adult shit and kids were into just kid shit.
But there's definitely a lot of crossover stuff now. I
don't know whether that was always the way. That's what
I'm trying to think, Like I'm trying to go back
and pull prior examples from my head, but yeah, no,
I don't know. It's like like one of the ones
that I'm into is like Pokemon Carriage, right, I was
in the Pokemon couch when I was a kids, So

(15:35):
like the nostalgia hooks are there, so you're always like, oh, yeah,
I'll go and pick up some of them. And nowadays
they look really cool and they do cool things with them,
so you're like, oh, yeah, I like to I'd like
to collect them. They're fucking savage like, and same with
Magic the Gathering, Like I'm into Magic the Gathering, and
it's like they're releasing fucking final Fantasy sets, Spider Man sets,
all the shit, and it's all to appeal to the

(15:59):
people I grew up with that stuff, so like, yeah,
it's weird. I kind of do feel like we're probably
moving towards like an era of rejection of all that stuff. Probably.
I think that, like, eventually, I think there's like geist
is just going to be to reject all of that
type of stuff and look at that as like an

(16:20):
era of like or at least that's what it feels
like to me, is like creative sort of it's like
a creative wasteland at the minute where it's a lot
harder for like true creativity to shine through, I think personally,
because you've got so much to contend with, like if
you're if you have a podcast, if you if you

(16:43):
have a really solid podcast idea nowadays, I don't know,
like you just come up with a cool kind of hook,
like some kind of cool idea or it's in like
a cool niche or something. Very hard to get a
foothold now in the market in any sort of meaningful way,
because there's so many heavy wets up above you that

(17:05):
do you know, it's hard to squeeze in there at
least that's just in our field. I don't really know
about other fields, but I'm sure everyone else has similar stories,
you know what I mean, Like, it's not impossible to do,
but it can be tricky. It can be tricky. So yeah,
it's it's a strange era that we're in. I think

(17:26):
I think nowadays, more than ever, people are valuing like
authenticity and just like being who you are, you know,
and being real. I think, like, I think that's what
people are after. But I think I think there is
also at the minute a movement of like kind of
denying that too. Just take a sip of copy well.

(17:48):
I mean about that is for every podcast or for
every influencer creator that talks about their mental health or
their struggles, you'll have others that say, Oh, you don't
need to worry about that, or that's made up, that's fake,
that's bullshit, and so yeah, that's interesting. How did we
get onto this after talking about Expedition thirty three. I

(18:10):
don't know, but let's go and talk about one of
the first pieces of art that moved me and I
still like still to this day, it's like it sticks
in my head and I still saw you guys probably
all have this, like the people that are into music
at least anyway, maybe it was another type of art,

(18:31):
but I remember, so I picked up guitar when I
was about twelve. I started to learn to play, and
I was no means like great or anything, and I
was just kind of learning and whatever and got into
led Zeppelin. And I remember like what we used to
do anyone that was into music back in the day.
You know, you got your pocket money and you'd buy

(18:53):
an album. So I think I used to be given
like a tenor or twenty quid on a Saturday. I
think it was a tenor probably back then, because a
tender went a lot further and a lot of the
albums in. There was a local sort of CD kind
of music shop called up there's my Phone. Now, there
was a local the start that was my It's at

(19:16):
the store. What was that about it? And so there
was a shop called BPM and It's solid CDs and
all that jazz. And I got into led Zeppelin. Like
my dad was always into Zeppelin, so they were always
on in the house. But you know, your start to
find your parents are into something when you're a kid

(19:37):
and you're trying to find your own way, you're kind
of like, yeah, whatever. But then when I started to
have my own money and I could go and buy things,
I started to buy led Zepplin actually because led Zeppeline
was a bit cheaper. So I was like, right, i'll
get Leeds one and I'll work my way up. But
I don't think I could get four right away because
four was like twenty quid. So I think what I

(19:58):
did was like I think I did one on too,
and then Houses as a Holly, And I remember coming home,
I think it was after school one day and putting
on Houses as a Holly and just listening to the
song remains the same for the first time, and I
was like, and like, it's funny enough because like song

(20:18):
remains the same a lot of the time. Isn't really
put in the top five Zeppelin songs. I wouldn't say
maybe even top ten. Like usually you'll get your you know,
obviously stair Away gets put in there, but you'll get
the likes of a lot of people, like a whole
lot of love, a lot of people like kind of

(20:39):
rock and roll or Black Dog, all that kind of stuff.
But when I heard that for the first time, as
like an amateur guitarist. We just picked up a guitar.
I was like, what the actual focus day. And it's
funny because I was like the seventies music, you know,
and I was listening in like two housing and one

(21:01):
something like that, and just the guitar. I remember hearing
the guitar and going, right, I need to look this up.
Look up the tablature, which for guitar players they know
what that is. For people who don't play guitar yet,
it's just it's just how to play the song. Basically,
you're looking up the to sheet music kind of. And

(21:23):
so I looked it up and I was like fucking
five or six guitar lines, you know, five or six
different guitars overdubbed, and I was like, right, forget that.
He might have been using different tunings on a lot
of it. And that's to me, they're like basically like
four Michael Jordan's in a band, you know, it's like
they're all fantastic in the wrong way. And that song,

(21:48):
to me, was one of the songs that just encapsulated that.
It's just like this like fucking John Bottom driving drums page,
which is he's just like it's like confidence and energy
because a lot of people say about Page, oh he
was kind of like sloppy or this or that, and
and that might be true, but like when you listen

(22:08):
to the compositions that he wrote at the time, they
were like fucking general, second to none really the yeah
just just the guitar lines. Even now, when I listen
to that song, I just it's just sometimes it will
give me goosebumps, you know. I like, you listen to
something like, it'll hit you. I get that a fairly
high hit red on that tune when I'm in the

(22:28):
right mood and I put that on, I'm like, that's
a fucking banging tune, like just the guitar. And then
I got straight on the rain song, which is just
another fucking amazing composition that in my eyes as what
people don't really give Jimmy Page enough credit for is
his skills as a composer as a songwriter, Like some

(22:53):
of those songs are just amazing, because like when you
look at his payers from the time, you know, you
had the stones and then I supposed to beatles before
them and things like that. But like the stuff that
Zepplin were doing at the time was fairly groundbreaking, like
a lot of people would say, do you know that

(23:14):
the Beatles and Zeppelin and the Stones were all ripping
off sort of black Southern American music like blues, And
I think that's true for like, especially with Zeppelin, if
you would have put them in a kind of a bubble,
And that is definitely true for the first couple of albums,
you know, but I think as they kind of grew

(23:37):
into their own you could really sort of see like
multidiscipline sort of music right and coming through and becoming
its own thing, and this kind of madge podge of
like loads of different sounds. So yeah, And it's funny
because like a lot of people to kind of shit
on that type of music will say, oh, well, you

(23:57):
know it's appropriated. You know, they're just and something. But
that's that's what all like, that's how everything starts generally.
You know, there's always someone that's someone that's borrowing from
at some point in time, Like it's not there was
very rarely an original thought out there, and especially back

(24:19):
then as well, like the UK bands that were doing
that sound, I think you can make an excuse for
because everyone knows if you find your own little thing
that no one else has it's special to you. So
I think what was happening back then was and I'm
actually it's not. I think I know what was happening
back then because I've seen people on record on interviews

(24:41):
talk about it was like these record importers back in
the day in England would be getting in southern blues
music and then these kids were going in and finding
it in these record stores and they were like this
is fucking amazing, Like what why is this shit? Like
I've never heard anything like this. So then they were

(25:04):
just trying to play it. They were trying to emulate it,
and the sound was coming through. But you see that
that's cyclical, that that happens if you listen to like,
there's a new artist at the minute, Remy Wolf. She's
not that new, but she has an album called Big Ideas,
and there's a song on that called is It Alone
in Miami? I think it's the name of the song,

(25:26):
But that is literally an Alison Chains riff. Pretty much
like that that riff and that guitarre line in that
song is basically Alison Chains. So are you going to
say like, well, that's just fucking that's just Alison Chains. No,
Because she's doing the wrong things. She's doing a cool thing,
she's having fun, and she has a new audience that

(25:46):
probably don't like Alison Chains. But guess what if they
like the sound of that song and they really like
the vibe of that song, then they'll go back and
they'll find Alison Chains and go, I like this shit too,
you know. And that's how it works to me, because
like I love Zeppelin, and then in turn from love
and Zeppelin, I got into the into the Stones a
little bit, into the Beatles and then and then into

(26:08):
blues and stuff like that too. So while I get
the idea like, oh, while you're ripping off this, you're
ripping off that, I think if it's done tastefully, if
it's done right, and as well, if if it leads
you down the path to other stuff, I don't think
there's any harm in it. But that Zeppelin in general
have a couple of songs that just yeah, really, fucking

(26:32):
start me up. Cash Mayre can be another one, since
I've been loving you, just the guitar plane of that
is fucking savage stuff. And yeah, like that's I think
in terms of art, those I have a visual artist,
so what you call them a painter. Let's see what.

(26:55):
I'm going to get her name now for you, because
she has her name is like, yeah, there you go.
She's a Polish artist, Louise and Nikoda. Her thing is
Louisa Creates Stockholm. She does really cool to her style
of savage. I really like her art. I think I've

(27:16):
seen her on Reddit and I was like that, sh
it is cool. She does a lot of kind of nightscapes, forests.
She has a lot of green and brown tones, which
I love. Yeah, but she's very good. She describes it
as moody landscapes with glitch with a glitch, balancing somewhere
between realism and hard edged geometric abstraction. So if that's time,

(27:40):
it's going to check her out. She's got She's on
Instagram and all that, and her paintings are class. It
was actually one of the first pieces of art that
I tried to buy and I looked at the price
tag and I was like, ooh lot, but I couldn't
get it. There was that much fucking demand. It was
like I was like trying to like Supreme or something
back in the day, or by a pair of runners.
It was like sold out insta. So I have a

(28:01):
coffee break hair fox C I'm trying not to slurp.
I'm naturally a slurper, so I'm trying not to slurb
for the for the listeners, you know, because who wants
to hear that? But yeah, savage stuff. So really like

(28:24):
that movies, to be honest, I think I talked about
it last week, did I about movies? That there's not
really much out there now at the minute. That's really
I'm not a cinema file. Is that what you call them?
So I'm not I don't have my finger on the pulse.
I know there's a lot of people who are wem
or into cinema the music, so you'd be better off

(28:46):
listen to them talk about movies. I am more of
a music person, that's kind of me. But I haven't
said that. I'm not really listening to too much new
music either. You know, you kind of you just kind
of get into your own little sort of things, don't you,
and you just kind of listen to what you like.
But I found I don't know if I was talking
about her before that. I thought, I don't think I

(29:07):
talked about herund here I talked too much there was
let me see if I can find her. There's a
I think she's a CEO or how did we go founder?
I don't know if I talked about around here. I
think I did it, Damon, Yeah, I did. A piano
composer from fucking Addis Ababa who was born in nineteen

(29:30):
twenty three. Her name is Yahwubdar Gubru and she has
albums called Emma Hoy's World Maybe yeah search song of
a Bye a b a y I and I listened
to that on Spotify. It just came on one I

(29:52):
think I was working or something and that came on
in the background. I was like, what the fuck is this?
Like really interesting piano style, and she has a really
interesting story too, So check her out if you're interested.
She was just kind of one of these people who
played and wrote her own compositions, but then later in
life was kind of found to be like, oh wait
a second, this person knows how to do a tune,

(30:13):
and so yeah, she's she's very good. I really enjoyed
her and her stuff. So let's say we got so.
I hope that answers your question, David. I can't read books.
I don't have the attention span for it at all.
So yeah, unfortunately, as much as i'd like to. Who
used to love reading books? Right, this should be good.

(30:36):
I'm just reading the fucking preview with this question. Her
Chrome the Chrome Animal one of our old school geezers.
I have this theory that we are all the same
soul on Earth is like a soul school for improvement
seem legit. Yeah, I think like I just part of

(30:57):
me in my belief system that I believe part of
me believes that our earthly experience is lived to enhance
or teach another experience elsewhere. Rather than the sort of
concept that when you die, you know you're you and

(31:22):
you're just absolved of your sins and whatever and you're
kind of going around on a white cloud with your
family and all that. I'm kind of more of a
sort of this could potentially be a simulation. This could
potentially be some kind of like we're all alien of
alien design, and the experience that we have here on

(31:44):
Earth is some kind of alien school. Like what you're saying,
it's it's like we can go in here, we can
do this for x amount of time, and then when
it's said and none, we go back to somewhere else,
and either we have memory of it or something different happens,
but it's really weird. Arth in general is really weird.

(32:10):
I was watching the conversation between you know, the Alex
O'Connor felt that he's the professional atheist and Rain Wilson.
I'm actually surprised I got those two names there fair
with me and they were talking about faith, and I
think Rain was he has a bit of faith, and
he was asking Alex O'Connor. He was like, what would
it take for you to have? And he was kind

(32:30):
of humming and horn and I'm kind of the same
trup be told. But Rain actually used a good analogy
or I don't know what you call it, but he
was basically saying that what was that he was saying,
let me try and not butcher this now. It was
about the chances of us being here randomly, And he
was basically saying, like, if you walked along a beach

(32:53):
and you found a pocket watch, it would seem deliberate, right.
You wouldn't think that the pocket watch was put together
by all these random elements that are available on Earth
to make a pocket watch. So the same would be
true for humans on Earth. That we are so sort

(33:13):
of well we fancy ourselves to be so ahead and
so advanced, and we know how to do things and
we can buy cool fucking shoes and all that. It
has to be. There has to be more to us.
So yeah, I mean, maybe we are the pocket watch

(33:34):
on the beach. You know, that we're put together on
here for some reason or another. It would be nice, right,
It's a nice talk, because no one wants to truly
believe that the reason that we're on here is just
to live and die and that's it, you know, you
just experience when you're here and that's it. Because some

(33:56):
people think that's fine, But then a lot of people
live and die suffering on this planet and live in
horrible conditions and have a horrible time. So like, I
class myself as relatively fortunate that I'm able to sit
here and talk with you through the means of the
Internet and really don't have to worry about any of
the bigger problems that a lot of people do, like

(34:18):
food security, where do I sleep tonight? Like disease, famine,
all of these things. So I class myself as having
being able to live a relatively okay existence on Earth
on a global standard. Right, Because even like even the

(34:39):
homeless and skin roll are living probably better than like,
you know, I'm just going to pull a figure out
my ars, but like they're probably living better than like
forty percent of the globe, right because you know, they
have access to facilities when they want them. Now they
might take them up on them, but they have access
should they need them. And that could even be like

(35:01):
a fucking toilet or clean water, whereas there are parts
of the world where people don't have access to that
at all. So so you would hope that living through
this existence is either totally trivial and it's like some

(35:23):
kind of alien simulation, like let's go in and play Earth.
You know, you're giving one soul. You've got one. You've
got one, go folks, and then when it's over, your
back to fucking planet X, you know, but you know,
write an essay about your experiences. It's all just we're
all just like fucking alien students and some college and
they're like, right, guys, you're gonna learn live this. And

(35:46):
when you live this is going to feel like you're
there for eighty or ninety years or however long you
choose to live in this. But when you get back
to the alien college here, it's going to feel like
an hour that can have to you know, by the way,
that might sound absurd to people, like that might be
might you might kind of balk at that idea and say, oh, well,

(36:07):
you know, but there's fucking earth made drugs that make
the passage of time feel like an eternity, you know.
So there's famous accounts of salvia where people take fucking
salvia and they live full lives. I think we've talked
about them on the podcast before, where people have accounts
of they're married, they have kids, they have this whole

(36:29):
other experience where they go to work in a job
and it's but it's all fictional. It's it's really all fictional.
Well it's all fictional, as we understand that maybe it
isn't fictional, but like all this crazy shit happens. I've
tried salvia when I was a teenager and young adult,
and it only lasts about ten to fifteen minutes. And

(36:51):
that was actually what drew me into it, because I
was like, oh, that sounds kind of good. It's like
lost eggs. It's like, however terrible this can be, it
will only last fifteen minutes, you know, So that appealed
to me because I was always like a lot of
try emotions or LSD and have a fucking shit trip
for like hours. That sounds awful both. Then I later

(37:14):
found out that with salvia, this phenomena can happen where
you can go into a hole and basically time stands still.
What I will say from my experiences at the time
was at that time definitely does move a lot slower. Now,
it wasn't crazy s law for me or anything, but
it was like, oh, that was fifteen minutes. What the fuck?

(37:35):
So I think it's Look, honestly, I think it's just
as possible, you know, Like I mean, I don't know.
Let's played Devil's advocate for some bizarre obscure thinking like
if you were an alien, right, if you was for
designing this experience, or even if you were a game

(37:57):
developer and you were designing this experience, the human experience,
you wouldn't have people just spawn on the planet as people,
would you, right, Because then you or I, as an adult,
we could look at the person spawning and we could say, oh, well,
they're not from here. What the fuck happened there? Is
that in alien? What the fuck is going on? There right,

(38:18):
So you would have to have something where it would
seem like organic right, So being born right makes sense.
So then you could either program that didn't like they
have to write, you know what I mean? That they
get jiggy. It's been a bit of jipping going on,
and then they spawn and that's how it happens, and

(38:41):
then true the doctors. Do you know that's all good? Then?
Now that does sound absolutely unhinged, but I'm just thinking
out loud. I don't necessarily believe any of it, but
this is interesting to play with. If you were if
this was a simulation, how would you run it? What
way would you get it? Gone? But you'd have to

(39:02):
do something like that. You couldn't just have people zooming
down in front of you like a fucking star trek,
you know where they go all white, It's like fucking stack.
Just take a sup of coffee. So who knows? Who
knows what the crack is with them? Very interesting, fun
little thought experiments. I always do think about this, which

(39:26):
ties really nicely into our next question here from Sean.
Mister Sean cops get malice hash like thoughts to keep
you awake. He says he he has nights where all
he does a think. Well, look, to be honest with you,
I've talked about this on the pod that I can
just turn myself off when I go to bed. It's
got time for sleep, don't power down. But this kind

(39:52):
of thinking, like what we were just discussing, is the
kind of thing that I really can get into, stuff
that like grabs me. It's interesting to me because you know,
it's just mad whatever way you think about it. You know,
I can listen to like atheists talk all day and

(40:12):
be like, yeah, that all makes sense. But then likewise,
I can listen to fucking religious figures and all that
them talk and I'm like, yeah, you know. Fair So
really and truly that's how I feel about it. Like
I feel like that even if science can sort of
explain our around us, and it can explain like, well,

(40:34):
this is how the big bank kind of happened, or
this is what happened after the big bank, fine, but
like we really don't know further beyond that, we don't
and it's very possible that we never will. So I
don't think it's fair to pretend we have it all
sawn up, because you see a lot of time with
these ages schedule. Well, you know, we know, and it's

(40:57):
kind of this smug self assuredness, but really all they
can be smuggling self as shortness, self as short about
is like religion as we know it, and religion as
we know it is very much based off historical bits
and obviously there's a bit of woo in there all
of that stuff, but like even all that could be

(41:19):
interpreted entirely wrong, and maybe it's something completely more fucking mental.
So that kind of stuff. I do think a lot
about that kind of stuff. It's always more whild by
the way. I guy used to actually watch and listen to, like,
you know, people on YouTube or podcasts or whatever, and
just kind of see what people are thinking or hear

(41:43):
what people are thinking and kind of see if you
can try wrong conclusion or if there's something that you
feel comfortable with and it sounds good to stick with it,
you know. And that's why I never really have anything
against religions or anything like that. It's like, if a
gives you, as as an individual a sense of belonging,

(42:05):
then that's what's most important, right. People people get that
from different things, Like there can be people out there
who just carved world all fuck. They they go out
to their shed or whatever they or they're out in
the wood is looking for a piece of wood to
find that they go home, they carve it. I don't
know why I'm using carve the world as an example,

(42:26):
but like they can do that and that's their feeling
of belonging done. They don't need anymore. Like they're just like, yeah,
I go out and do this. That's my that's my life,
and I'm happy doing that and that's that. And then
there's other people who need more, or there's other people
who need as to be less to get on and exist.

(42:51):
I don't know my day today, and I'm curious as
well about how all of you guys feel about your
day today and whether you need that higher power. I
never really felt like I did need it, but to
be candid, I was kind of raised in a non
religious environment. I wouldn't say non spiritual, but I would
say non religious. So I don't know whether I'm a

(43:14):
bit skewed to begin with that way, but it doesn't
keep me up at night, and I don't think I
need it to be a better person. I don't think
now I feel like personally living my life that as
I've gotten older every year, I'm sort of being a

(43:37):
little bit better than now was the year before. I
probably had a slower than a lot of people. It's
taken me time. I pretty much count like a buntle.
Thirty is almost a rite off really with me. I
think I still think I'm learning a lot. Like it's funny.
I'm thirty seven and I still think I'm behind and
a lot of stuff, And yeah, it's funny. But I

(44:03):
never felt like I needed to answer to a higher
power to continue to grow and be better. Some might
say that it's kind of in you and that is
the higher power, that's what is making you want to improve,
But I don't know. For me, I always felt like
I was okay that way. I've always had a fairly
strong sense of self preservation kind of and that's probably

(44:29):
why I never got too pissed all the time or
never got addicted to anything, even though I dabbled in
a lot of addictive things. There was always a bit
of a self preservation and there, for whatever reason, for
whatever reason, I don't know why, right what else we
got here? Ingrid My piano teacher asks, where did the

(44:50):
beliefs that you can make a wish on shooting star
come from. It has to be religious, right, speaking of our religion,
Let's see where it is of shooting stars come from.
There we go. That's that's good. Ancient Greek and Roman. Yeah,
this is interesting. The gods look down from the heavens

(45:12):
and sometimes lost their way, or that streaks of light
were signs of celestial attention, allowing wishes to be made
as the stars fell. So apparently there's just yet. Different
cultures have their own kind of folklore behind it. But
some reckon that their souls are the dead fallen angels
or omens. You know that that might actually be good

(45:35):
grounds for an episode ingrid. I'm just laughing. Heard the
cran describes them as missiles used to drive away devils. Yeah,
I wouldn't be like the boys would be talking about.
I joke, I jock, I'll have the law and all

(45:55):
the Sean colebasks many seagulls need to a pair in
your house before you think someone was doing it deliberately,
Like how many seagulls fucking one? Seagulls are cute man
seagles long shop in your house for laugh. Seagulls are
fucking intelligent as ship.

Speaker 1 (46:14):
Like.

Speaker 2 (46:16):
They're starting to en crouch inland, right. Seagulls nowadays they're like,
fuck all that fish and crack, there's no fish that
they've taken all their fish, so let's go and fuck
up their bins and mega fucking take their chips off
Brighton pear. Let's do all that. Let's fucking annoy with that,
annoy them. I think that's what the seagulls are up

(46:37):
to now. So if you live near a seaside town,
that that could be why they're coming into enact vengeance
on you, because the fucking fishing amount of better taken
all their fucking fish. They've had enough. And I don't
blame them, true be told go for it. Like you know,
I think that's probably why they're doing it. The seagulls

(46:59):
never thought about it before, but it makes sense, you know.
But it's a smart man. So they're looking at it
and they're going, right, that's grand, So that's all right
with us. Suck up them bins. That annoying h nechrome

(47:28):
necro mecanimal, that's his name, But that that name is
extremely fucking hard for my brain to get around. How
different do you think the world would be if humans
were created not requiring sustenance. Yeah, I means yeah, I

(47:50):
mean like that's the driver for everything, isn't it. Sustenance
is the driver. We need sustenance. Our whole existence is
built around sustenance. So without it, you would have to wonder,
like even on a biological level. Now again I'm spitball
in her, not an expert, literally just thinking about me ours. Surely,

(48:17):
Like the reason why humans are wider, like to make
and to breed, is to obviously bring up the quote
unquote hard size so that you have airs, so that
you have people to do more work, so that you
know all of those things can happen, so that you
can still multiply. So like the grand picture is that

(48:38):
you can just multiply and ride more. Right, you can
write sever and you can ride more. So the sustenance
ties into that. You know, you need shelter to sustain,
you need food, you need all of that stuff. So yeah,

(48:59):
I don't know. Oh, I think without us, it just
wouldn't be art, Like, it just wouldn't be a thing
art would be. I don't fucking know, man, as a
head break of a question, because art is like basically
every like every animal and everything on Earth is in
some way using art to sustain itself. So without us,

(49:24):
you're just talking about a planet that's just existing and
the animals and creatures within it. Then wouldn't really need
to do anything. I don't know, I don't know what
we do, man, see, because like you know, your mind
first wants to go to like, oh, sure it'd be utopia,
you know, they want to be you know that there's

(49:44):
that well, but like there'd be no sense of belonging
at all, Like it would be probably really alien for
a human to not need sustenance, you know, Like it's
like that where like a bit of strife in people's
life is a good thing us lead you know, not
all the time, of course, But adversity is important, you know,

(50:06):
I think I think adversity is important because you learn
from it. Well, if you're if you're skewed the right way,
you learn from adversity. Some people don't. Some people crumble
under adversity and it might help them at all. But
for me, personally, the battle for sustenance, if you want
to call it that is probably very important. It's the

(50:29):
personal struggle. Yeah, that's an interesting question there. You got
much like your fucking name. It's hard to get the
head around. So I'm much I'm much a brother. If
you could pitch a music biopic to see about a
certain artist, who will it be and who would you cast? Oh,

(50:55):
we can do Well Len's Daily film, Alison Chain's date singer,
and we could also do a kirkle Bain film. Just
get Timody just chart out to play both of them,
because I think they just cast him for everything now,
like here Timothy fucking Arla Megan and there's some So

(51:16):
Bob didn't like to have that fucking Bob Dylan film.
I guarantee you we have a lot of Bob Dylan
fans on this podcast, but I couldn't think of at
least a less interesting parsons to make him a thick
about to be honest, but yeah, there's a bit of
interest there, you know what I mean. You know, I'm
sorry to all the Bob Dylan fans, but like, there's
a lot more interesting musicians out there. I'd like a

(51:38):
decent Stevie re Vaughan movie as well, actually, because there's
a fucking guitarist that was shit hot, great songs, and
not enough people know about him as the show so
you don't have to get someone high profile to play
and who I don't know because I don't have my
finger on the pulse enough to know who's good and
who's young to play these guys. But like Layne Staley

(52:00):
from Alison Chain's Sad Story, man sad fucking story, the
whole grunge movement is just a fucking sad story. Like
I'm thinking, like, so I grew up with Alison Chains,
I grew up in Nirvana, Like these were fairly important

(52:20):
bands to me, and you know, now all's I can
think about as a thirty seven year old, I'm much
older than Layne Staley is, well, not much older. I'm
three years older than Lan Stay when he died. And
I just think it's so sad, Like you know, you're
looking at these kids like like I go back and

(52:41):
I look at their live performances and stuff and their
fucking kids, like do you know what I mean, They're
literally babies doing this stuff. I'm just trying to find
out who when Alison Chain's Unplugged was recorded, because it
was fucked by then, right, so nineteen ninety six, and
he was born in nineteen sixty seven, so he was

(53:08):
in his twenties, right, something like that, and say, what
twenty seven or something like that, math is not great?
Twenty seven on Alison Chain's Unplugged. And if you've listened
to Alison Chains unplugs, you know that it's amazing record.
But the thing about Alison Chain's Unplugged is it's actually

(53:31):
kind of fake. What I mean by that is it
took loads of text to get the songs done. Lane
was very clearly and he readded on Heroin. At this
stage he was already having to wear gloves and stuff
like that to cover up his hands and his arms
and stuff from heroin use. And like, for me, now

(53:53):
was just like because I remember, as a kid and
a teenagery kind of idolize these people. And there's this
kind of edgy darkness to that, these singers and mysteriousness,
and now you're just thinking, fuck may Man, it's so sad,
Like there's just so young. I mean, you know, he's
twenty six, twenty seven. They're really badly like addicted to heroin,

(54:14):
same as Kurt, Like, I mean, you look at cart
to fucking go looking, dude, do you know what I mean?
Great songwriting, nobility, relatively charismatic, like had literally his whole
life ahead of him really in terms of what he
could offer to like the creative space. Like Kurt could
have turned around when he was in his fucking thirties

(54:34):
or forties and said, like I'm turning, I'm going to
be an artist or a filmmaker, and I guarantee, I
guarantee you that he would have made fantastic art no
matter what he turned his hand to. And Laine is
the same, you know, And there's a lot of dark.
I think Laine's story is like his dad was into heroin,
and I have a dad who's into sub has substance
abuse problems and addiction problems, and he zigged instead as

(55:01):
or zagon instead of zigging and went down the same path.
I was really dark and horrible. I think I don't
don't quote me on it, but I think that he
shared like drug experiences with his dad and stuff when
he was quite young, or that his dad even encouraged it.
And when you see like the talent that a singer

(55:22):
like Lane Staley had or a songwriter like Cart had,
You're just like, what a fucking waste. It's just so sad.
It makes them more sad as you get older, I
think because again, like I said, as a fucking knucklehead
teenage or young adults, you're kind of thinking, ah, yeah,
you know, addiction whatever, whatever. But you get older and
you get older, it just seems more senseless or something

(55:43):
just seems like fuck, like he could have been helped.
I think as well. I think and Lane's final years
were just really really sad, Like he used to just
go into a bar and no one really knew him
or recognize him at this stage, and he used to
just fucking off sitting down in a fucking chair. And

(56:03):
I've been around heroin, like, and I'm not boasting about that,
but I've been around people using it, and it's fucking
it just looks all this is just fucking depressing. Really,
I mean, to them it feels fantastic, but it feels
fantastic because they feel so bad inside. Like it sounds

(56:25):
really obvious, but that is why people get addicted to drugs.
You know, they feel fucking horrible and this drug makes
them feel makes them either not feel or makes them
feel better. That's like an overlooked part of albeits is
that there's actually a really good sensation that goes along

(56:48):
with them because non drug users think like why would
you you know, why would you do that? You know,
you feel like but it's like now these people feel
extremely shit inside, whether it be for like poor self esteem,
really bad demons that they're carrying and they have to

(57:10):
block it out. So yeah, it's sad. It's just sad
because especially when you listen to lenes of lyrics and
everything and they're just like Jesus and it must be
really fucking weird when you become successful after pain, like
some of Lane's most fit like famous songs or like
songs about being fucking addicted to heroin and fucking getting

(57:33):
sucked up like his dad and he doesn't want to
be like that, and then people are like buying the record, Yeah, Lane,
like like, you know, there's probably a been a mixed
message and or mixed signals going on there in a
sense as well, you know, because that sounds like a fart.
That wasn't that? Trust me. I don't know if you
heard them, I'd let us know if I've heard it.

(57:54):
I was kicking them. What is that phone stand? But yeah,
it's just it's just dark, you know, it's just dark
and sad. Nowadays, that's how I feel about it. All.
An addiction is a very tricky thing, but ultimately it's

(58:15):
down to the individual. Do you know that that is
the case. You know, a lot of people did try
and help Lane, I think especially, and it just didn't
work out. You know, Kurt I think the same. He'd
made attempts to get clean and relapsed. But it's sad
when you look at the impact that the grunge movement had,
it was fairly fucking big, Like it changed, like you know,

(58:39):
throughout the Eddies, he basically had glam rock, coke, fucking
neon shite, glitzy hairspray, fucking shoulder pads, stupid shit, all
for Shawl, you know, and then grunge came along and
it was just like, yeah, fuck all that, we don't
care about all that. We this is us, We're hearting,

(58:59):
this is our truth, this is our authenticity. Get fucked
and that sort of message just completely severed. The Eddies
just brought in a new era of like indie and garage,
and you know, had bands like my Sonic Youth and
I would have been in parallel to a lot of that,

(59:20):
but he had a lot of the and even like
the Legs of the britpop wave in the nineties in
England and stuff like, you know, all of it was
just sort of rejecting that kind of glitzy, glammy, fucking
showy Edies kind of vibe. You know. Even when you
think about like in the Eddies, you think about like
the Cure and stuff like that, which would have been
kind of like the Counter, it was still kind of showy,

(59:42):
Like there was still an element of like pomp to
it because you're like, you know, like Robert Smith as
his hair, fucking Donald Stupid and the eye he's painted
and stuff, and like there was still an element of show.
So grunge was very much like bleeding heart, fucking you know,
bleeding on my flannel short type of stuff. So it

(01:00:02):
was important, you know, it was really important because there
was a lot of anger at the time. It was
almost it was almost like its own punk movement. It
was punk in a different sound I supposed you could say,
but yeah, great stuff. I love grunge. And then you
have people like Eddie Vedder who still with us, still
doing good Chase. You know, I'm not a huge pearl
jam guy, but like, yeah, I mean that's where but

(01:00:27):
to be honest, I think if Carton Lane had a
stead on the straight and narrow, that would have transcended
the heights that Parl Jam have gotten to, you know,
because they especially Nirvana, just the songwriting and ability was very,
very very good. And they're unplugged. Actually, Nirvana unloged as
far as I'm aware, it was a lot more tight
and didn't need as much post production as the Alison

(01:00:50):
Chains one needed. But I find with Alison Chains, unplugs
are kind of going. Yeah, in spite of Lane's really
bad health, it was great, whereas yeah, Nirvana n plugged
like seemed a lot more. I don't know. Yeah, this
one's been a lot about music, hasn't that People like

(01:01:12):
asking about music, I think, and I like talking about music,
so it's all good, So maybe that's why people are asking.
But again, like I said, folks, you know, you can
stare this whatever way you want. Just write in what
you like. I'll pull up another Q and A thing
during the week for minifolds, or like I said, if
you have ideas or goal stories or anything in that

(01:01:39):
vein or cryptid like, send me in stuff. I have
some stuff there that I'll do with aiming. But like
I'm asking specifically now if you have anything that you
want me to do, to send it in. Yeah, and
a quick reminder as well, guys. As I said earlier, Petron,
if you want to support the pod and if you

(01:02:03):
don't have money, word of mouth, get on read up.
People were asking for recommendations all the time I read it.
Say the boys, the lads, do you know what I mean?
Put the word out there. That's important. Word of mouth
helps the bad grow, and growth is important. Let's be
honest and yet as well, quick one before I go, huge, huge,

(01:02:26):
huge thanks to everyone who reached out in regards to
my granddad's passing. It was much appreciated, touching, and I
said it on the last episode. Is the first time
in my life that I've really experienced grief on a
sort of a familial level that's very close to me.

Speaker 1 (01:02:43):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:02:43):
As I said before, my granddad is like a father figure.
So it was tough. But I'm feeling the love. I'm
feeling the outpouring from people. There's a lot of people
that have wrote in, They've shared stories about their grandfather
or stories that they've had and I really do appreciate that.
It's just cool hairing them. I enjoy reading them. I
read all of them, and yeah, it's nice. That's the

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sort of the thing that I didn't expect from all this,
from the sort of degrief and the sadness of the
whole thing, was that I think a lot of people
have experienced that, so they're like, yeah, I understand where
you're what you're going through, and I'm here to help
or I'm here to give my a story of what
helped me. And that's very nice. So I do appreciate it,

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and I'm not just sending after the crack. I do
appreciate it. It's very nice to hear from alias. And yeah,
we'll leave it there, folks, it's been a good one.
I enjoyed this one. Actually, good questions. I like talking
about art. I like talking about yeah that kind of
stuff because I feel like people that really get something

(01:03:53):
out of art stay friends and they can talk about it. Right.
I think that, like even myself and An's friendship is
forged based on our shared interests, what makes us take
what we love. And likewise, probably with you listeners, like
we all have you know, we're all into paranormal cryptids,

(01:04:14):
we're all into the shy talk. So that's that's why
we're all kind of hanging out. Also, one of our
patients asked that about Patreon hangout. Yeah, we will do someone.
I might just need to fucking sort of schedule all
the ship I needed. I need a fucking I need like,
what's one of them people that just fucking like pushes

(01:04:35):
you around to do different stuff and goes like Rob
twelve o'clock fucking get on the screen. I need that
because without that, I just have no structure. I'm like, ah,
sure whatever, I'll do that at some point. So yeah,
I think we'll leave it there, folks. I just had

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a message from him and that's what I was reading. Actually,
thanks for listening. I've been Rob hobbies. Have a happy
Monday all Overrun the house.