Mini Fuzz: Backyard Mountains

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
A crypt and this is a script. I want to
quick against my enemies.

Speaker 2 (00:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (00:11):
See you wanted to say and then learn how to
raise you, but I forget you from the wild.

Speaker 2 (00:29):
Hello everyone, what is up?

Speaker 1 (00:30):
I am Rob, I am Aimon.

Speaker 2 (00:33):
It's monster phols. How are you saying? Lemon it goes?
I'm very well, yeah, I'm right. Well, thanks for usten.

Speaker 1 (00:40):
Yeah, I was just taking a break to consider how
well I was before asking you.

Speaker 2 (00:45):
How well I have one to one hundreds?

Speaker 1 (00:47):
I think one two hundreds. Jeez, say right now, I'm
probably about to have a bit tired. Now about I'd
say sixty five, which isn't a bad results.

Speaker 2 (00:57):
I was want to say somewhere in the sixties myself.

Speaker 1 (00:59):
Yeah, but we generally are miserable. Have you When was
the last time you were eight eighty percent? Like eighty
percent happy? That's not even a real metric. KPIs are failing.

Speaker 2 (01:14):
Yeah, I don't know what moldivets may to be extremely happy.
I think No, I think like some kind of pursuits.
If you set a goal and you achieve your goal,
whether it be trivial or actually something sort of you know, cool, Yeah,
that's probably.

Speaker 1 (01:31):
What's your your pursuit, your trivial pursuit.

Speaker 2 (01:35):
My last trivial pursuits a long time ago, and I
was probably hitting master. You're very happy around that happy man.
It took two hours to get the mass right.

Speaker 1 (01:46):
Yeah, so I was practiced like it was maybe I
just need to pick up are just playing a bit
more guitar recently and the callous on the fingers back
that enjoy playing guitar. Yeah, nice, And then just even singing,
learning to sing differently because I'm getting older and muscles
don't work the way they used to work.

Speaker 2 (02:06):
Must ange. Actually, Robert Plants did you know that MPR
Tiny Desk?

Speaker 1 (02:10):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (02:10):
Yeah, And it's the same same band that he did
down that we see him. Very cool, it's actually cool, like, yeah,
it's funny, but he is. He's done a good pivot
on his voice. I feel for a man that's seventy seven.

Speaker 1 (02:23):
Yeah, does he still go like mad hoy? No, you can.
It's one of those things. It's like it's like it's
almost akin to pro wrestling, like you have these lads
who do flippy shit, but there's a shelf life on it. Yeah,
because like all all like all the tunes that I
grew up singing, so like I can most of those.
It's the real high shit that, like I learned later,

(02:44):
is hard to get to now, or I can get there,
but it's it's full of rasp, which kind of sounds
cool in its own way.

Speaker 2 (02:50):
And it makes sense because like most of those songs
were sung by young people.

Speaker 1 (02:54):
This is it. And if you ever heard like Chris
Cornell is a good example, if you hear him when
he's like in his twenties and he's doing ridiculous singing,
but he changed the way he sang like he's moving
air a few years before he dies or whatever, rather
than it doesn't have that same over to it.

Speaker 2 (03:11):
How like that he's using that fucking what's that york
that goes around diaphram your diaphragm. He's got a diaphragm,
and I'm like, fucking Legless's ball. You're not you know
what I mean?

Speaker 1 (03:23):
Or some singer. I was only listening to fucking Temple
of the Dog the other day and I was just.

Speaker 2 (03:27):
Like, this is something christ great singer has a voice
though that if you're not into it, you're not.

Speaker 1 (03:33):
Into And one person described with me very well when
they said, when I first heard his voice. I thought
it was a joke, and he used to get a
lot of hate because like that was that like seventies
and eighties, like rock and hair metal stuff, you know,
that really high singing. But if you listen to all
the other grunge singers, it's it's just screaming powerful. But

(03:57):
I like if you listen to just the way he
goes in and out of it, like in reach Down,
like it's one of the it's one. It's not a
filler track. It's a brilliant tune. It's like the second
track on the album. But when you listen to what
he's doing with his voice, and now you're just going,
Jesus Christ, this is ridiculous like that, it's ridiculous. Yeah,
he's full time mad bastard.

Speaker 2 (04:15):
Hope everyone's doing well, hobbies, are having a good day
wherever you may be. How's your drive time commute? Hope
it's going well.

Speaker 1 (04:23):
Probably worse now that you're listening to us.

Speaker 2 (04:26):
Hoping you're not stucking on the M fifty. I think
it's just coming out called like M fifteen nightmare or something.

Speaker 1 (04:32):
There's biggest car park. It's like getting so I get
stuck on the M fifty twice a every week. It's garbage.

Speaker 2 (04:40):
So hobbies are doing well. Check us out on Petreon.
We're there. Santa Claus has come to the time soon.
It's a great gift, the gift of Manster. If you're like,
it's quite handy. Check it out their stuff over there.
We will record a next lolus of one next week
and then we'll try and do some Christmasy stuff as well.
Coming up to Christmas. I think we'll probably be doing
want him, but also maybe I'll reach out to our

(05:03):
good cham brother Richard. Let's see if we can get him.
Maybe four of us together, maybe clans.

Speaker 1 (05:13):
Already best.

Speaker 2 (05:18):
Brother Richard was like milk and honey. Probably probably, maybe
we'll do that.

Speaker 1 (05:31):
We all have to come with a wrap each. We
should just start like a rap group with the four
of us rapping about cryptis.

Speaker 2 (05:39):
You can also check out our discord and all over
there too. So yeah, if to have any spooky stories
or crypto encounters them and where should they send.

Speaker 1 (05:45):
Them, send them to Monster Fuzz Podcast at gmail dot com.

Speaker 2 (05:50):
Yeah, it's a casual and sort of chilled out episode today,
as is basically all of our episodes. And then yeah,
we're just going to take a kind of easy, got
a couple of questions as well. We'll talk about some
other stuff as well, and just kind of keep it
light and all that stuff, because I mean like going
on about the same fucking alien ship every week as well.

Speaker 1 (06:09):
I was, but I don't even know what the this week.
I can't even recording from it's aliens. I don't think
it is. Oh it's your one, the Third Man factor.
Oh that's the I had to sure it's just you.
All of a sudden, I was watching this man. Jesus,

(06:29):
the things that you did to my life.

Speaker 2 (06:33):
That's probably the Third Man episode. So we have a
full episode on the cotare for this forward and the
next month of Fox. We have a couple of questions
from propressions, not that many, but well I kind of
forgot that I was meant to ask patrons for questions,
and then like late I was like, oh shit, we
need him.

Speaker 1 (06:49):
We see you have the little dinosaur figure on the timer,
so you can't you know, we can't even check how
long that's because usually when that gets about right, we're saying, now.

Speaker 2 (06:59):
The dinosaur casees so move rights in the Shaman one
sang I can move move any mountain. So if you
could move any mountain into your back garden, which one
would be happy? Ex me s lads se scaffold pick
next year. I like your rerumption what mountain would have
in your back garden?

Speaker 1 (07:18):
Well, now the move has overestimated the capacity of my
back garden.

Speaker 2 (07:25):
First of all, well, I suppose now the mountain would
be your back garden. That's all about that way. Yeah,
that would be kind of thing, that'd be great.

Speaker 1 (07:34):
I think the mountain I enjoyed climbing the most was
probably ben Nevis.

Speaker 2 (07:38):
Yeah, yeah, I enjoyed.

Speaker 1 (07:40):
I enjoyed how it was snow capped at the top,
fucking slog It was tough. Do you know I'm not
a I'm not a gluttonous man. I don't need the
biggest mountain in the World's just the biggest in Scotland
is fine.

Speaker 2 (07:55):
Yeah, it's like you know, my my brain immediately went
and obviously I love it over there. But then I
went to like cheat mode answer and I went, killyman Gyros.
You've got killyman Gyro has like almost all of the
biomes on.

Speaker 1 (08:06):
Ours yees, but it's also killiman Gyro is like it doable,
like it's not crazy to get up and down.

Speaker 2 (08:12):
So you've got rain forest, yeah, you've got you've got
like Savannah. I think you've got a desert ye spot.
And you've got arctic kind of frozen tundraus.

Speaker 1 (08:23):
That's pretty cool.

Speaker 2 (08:24):
So you've got the you've got everything in your back yard.

Speaker 1 (08:27):
Get that in my back garden as well. Then we
could have one each in the back gardens.

Speaker 2 (08:30):
Yeah, and it probably would have an answer to rats,
which is what I currently have in my garden as well.

Speaker 1 (08:35):
How are they getting on? Has there been any developments there?
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (08:38):
Like there, it's tough because I'm ninety percent shorts rats
because they're they're holes that the dog looks like rat holes.
I wouldn't mind them as much as the annoy the
fucking dog. And so the dog is bark and he's annoyed,
and then you're like, oh, now I have to deal
with that that Like if I probably if I didn't

(08:58):
have a dog, chances are wouldn't even know and I
wouldn't even care as much.

Speaker 1 (09:03):
Is this the first winter that mice haven't gotten into
my house?

Speaker 2 (09:08):
So touchboard?

Speaker 1 (09:09):
Well, I have my cat true to now, he'd kill
a rat I don't. I don't think Chico is so lazy.

Speaker 2 (09:18):
So lazy is not happening.

Speaker 1 (09:20):
He just say I'd say, you just look at the mouse,
and he's like that sounds like a you problem. Really,
I'm not doing that.

Speaker 2 (09:25):
See, I think he probably would have been killing rats
and all up in Dublin.

Speaker 1 (09:28):
Every now and then, like he he he'll see a
bird at the window and he'll hiss and run at it.
But you can tell he's broke up for days after,
just like why did I make an explosive movement like that?

Speaker 2 (09:39):
Now. The bust side is we have a hunter in
sort of training campig in Luna, the cat that's right
you have. It's not let out yet, but she'll be
able to house. So I'm thinking she might address our
rat problem pretty quickly.

Speaker 1 (09:54):
I think so. Yeah, And look, you've had the rat
problem for a while anyway, haven't Just so it's like
it's never really been a problem.

Speaker 2 (10:00):
To It's just there in the garden. But it's like
it's you don't like being closed. So obviously because you're
doing veals hills disease or wheels disease, whatever you want
to call that, and that is not great. Well kill you.
So you don't want that ship out in your garden next,
you know what I mean? So no, I'll try. I've
read different methods online. I've tried one or two. One

(10:22):
is if you find there at hole into their down
put the holes, pipe down it and flood it and
they'll run out of it and they won't use it again.
That's what I've heard. So I tried that, but I
couldn't get it to fill up the world water was
the ground was too porous, so there were there.

Speaker 1 (10:41):
Was just affected the foundation. Yeah, it's a funny one,
isn't It's funny one like you don't realize. I think
you don't realize till you have a house. Like when
you rent, you don't care about anything. You're like a
rat's not my house, doesn't care. But like when you
actually have house, like the things that bug you. Like
we we just met as to get a plumber in
and he fixed like three things in the toilet. I

(11:03):
was probably eighty percent happy that day. I was I
flush this, no drips. I've gotten a new The shower
mixer was lime and crusted, so you couldn't change the
mixer from the tap to the hose. But now you can,
so now I don't. If people stay in the house,
they don't have to use my shower and bug me
in my dominion.

Speaker 2 (11:22):
Yeah, it's the little things, isn't as you got you
got the older em and as well, like you know,
you have new sets of problems to worry about. It
is the little things, just those little victories, you know. Yeah,
that was pretty good.

Speaker 1 (11:31):
I was playing Wolf and Sign the New Order or
whatever one it was the other day and I was going,
this is fun, and I felt good.

Speaker 2 (11:38):
Play that's yeah. I haven't played that one. I don
want to good.

Speaker 1 (11:42):
It's good, very story driven.

Speaker 2 (11:43):
Actually for the FPS, I think a lot of Wolf
and signs kind of like.

Speaker 1 (11:48):
All the new ones. Anyway, I'm not sure about the.

Speaker 2 (11:50):
Old two D and in regards to scaffold pipe there, yeah,
we'll do that for an extra alright, we'll work out
with death maybe spring maybe. Yeah. I have a fucking
itch like so, I watching a lot of sucking outdoor
boys do only damage. I have an h to get
out camping big time and like Jess like kind of
is probably not.

Speaker 1 (12:07):
A great time for that.

Speaker 2 (12:08):
Well, like, honestly, if you have the right equipment in Ireland,
you can camp whenever you want, because like if you
were just out to people that are into outdoors stuff,
say anywhere in like I don't know, the northern parts
of America, they would sort of say like, well, you're
not going to camping, like like a lot of like
the coldest you're going to get in Ireland's cold like

(12:30):
really is like minus tail minus tree, which like is
not bad and you're not getting heavy snow.

Speaker 1 (12:37):
Yeah, but it's not ideally like you need if you have.

Speaker 2 (12:39):
The proper sleeping bag and you be grand, like you're
not going to die. So it's like, I mean, it's
not ideal, it's more for us. Over here is thet
They're wet and rain and like the ground is fucking shite.
Like most of the camping spots that you'd want to
go all to in this type of weather are like
literally waterlogged or close enough to it. So it's like

(13:00):
a bit cack. But no, no, maybe in spring now
we have maybe Scaffle. Probably I wouldn't camp as Caffle,
but I do want to get over just not only
and do a bit of camp and I think but
I can be the campany round two a few days. Yeah,
we could do it again. And maybe attempt to do
it better than that.

Speaker 1 (13:16):
Yeah, we couldn't do it worse than last time. To
be fair, well, I have a four man t twice
as much as as we had in Italy.

Speaker 2 (13:25):
Kol So Stephen Marlow as side chaps with the event
of AI. Do you think you can we can ever
believe what people say they have caught on camera, trail cam, ring,
door bell, et cetera. Chairs and have a great Christmas
in the year I.

Speaker 1 (13:41):
Think you're going to have. I think there'll be some
sort of a watermark in the future that will signify
already happen.

Speaker 2 (13:47):
Yeah, like all of this now, what they're doing is
they're just making Yeah I have to log in like
they're given. Yeah, it's all that's happened in Australia. Their
banning social media now for under, which is.

Speaker 1 (14:00):
Actually probably a really good idea. Yeah, yeah, well let
him go on MSN and just send messages or something like.

Speaker 2 (14:06):
I'm conflicted with all this stuff because there's a part
of me that says government shouldn't have to legislate things
like that. People should be able to legislate that, like
like parents, like a lot of it. It would feels
like a bit nannyish, but like at the same time.

Speaker 1 (14:23):
I think because because of the advent of all this
stuff and because it's moving so fast. Yeah, like there
was not you know like Facebook is washed really popular
for twenty years. Yes, Like if you think about that,
that's a really quick And then if you think about
them the kids having phones, phones in schools, phones power pictures,
videos and pictures. So I think they do probably need

(14:45):
to do something no different to the way like porn
is going.

Speaker 2 (14:49):
That's well, that's one of the big issues that that
lots of places are faced and I was all the
newify apps.

Speaker 1 (14:55):
Oh because the AI stuff you can just take a
picture of your body and they would to make them
be nude.

Speaker 2 (14:59):
H Is that like that's happening in like bullying scenarios
and the color shows like like people would be like, oh,
like this person said me nudes, but they're actually just fake,
like they're like AI. So like there's like all sorts
of militious.

Speaker 1 (15:12):
I thought there was initially like some sort of wolves
around AI. It's like it's all open season.

Speaker 2 (15:20):
Yeah, so you know, like that that's type of stuff.
So yeah, in the advent of ay, I, you know,
I think I've even said it on the pod before,
like I just every bit of cryptid or alien footage
I see now, I'm just like that's that's that's like
AI is like even heard with the Lion video. We

(15:42):
talked about that. Oh yeah, Like that was part of
our conversation, was is it AI, Like it's it's it's
already a thing.

Speaker 1 (15:49):
Like I think we're still pretty good at picking out AI,
but I think that's going to change very soon.

Speaker 2 (15:58):
Oh yeah, Smith Smiths it's media artics. So I was
only reading the other day that there's a company now
that the AI podcasts with AI hosts AI personalities like
and they're doing really well.

Speaker 1 (16:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (16:11):
So, like the thing is that it's the same across
the board. It's the same for artists, it's the same
for everyone. I've been saying it before, is like like
there are you know, lots of people who appreciate fine
art and will pay for hand drawn stuff and hand
painted stuff, and those are your patrons. You're there, Those
are the people that appreciate this stuff, but like most

(16:35):
people don't care. Like most people if you have even
a semi passable AI host, And that's what I was
reading this article, Like a lot of them aren't even
really passable. They're kind of a robotic voice, and people
are listening to them.

Speaker 1 (16:49):
Like I've heard so I've I've watched some like you know,
twenty video games coming out before December or whatever. But
you can tell it's all AI. Like it's good because
you the visual to go with it, but like you
can tell by the the pronunciation, the way the speech is,
You're like, oh, this is this isn't the person talking
like this?

Speaker 2 (17:09):
And it's not going away? So you know, personally, I
don't think it's much different than and I've said this
before too, like we saw for a bit of context
with us, like our podcast, We've said it before on
we're top one percent globally, so like we're in the
top top echellon baby. Both within that one percent, there

(17:35):
is increments of like numbers that people do and and
financial success and stuff like that. And while we have
always occupied this one percent niche like the podcasts stuck
out ahead of us might necessarily be better. But to
have more money and saw money and investment and advertising

(17:58):
and who you know on who you don't know all
still exists. So like that, to me, isn't that much
different than the likes of an eye product.

Speaker 1 (18:06):
Got to remember as well, that's there's like three and
a half million podcasts, so one percent of three and
a half. Actually, yeah, it's like when you think about yeah,
it's it's hefty enough, but.

Speaker 2 (18:17):
It doesn't matter. Like, like what I'm saying is that
there's always going to be the habits and that have
knots and the likes of AI content and stuff like
that because it has a lot of money poured into
it and because people don't mind consuming slop I'm being
told what to listen to, it'll always do well.

Speaker 1 (18:36):
Yeah, it'll be interesting to see because even that whole
cyclical financial sort of movement they have from Nvidia to
the other companies with the so like it's just money
going in circles and actually going anywhere, if that makes sense.
It'll be really interesting to see. As people are talking
about with the bubble burst, I think a lot of
I think it'll burst.

Speaker 2 (18:56):
But it'll be like the dot com boom, where like yeah,
it'll everyone uses dot com.

Speaker 1 (19:01):
Everyone, everyone, Like like all of.

Speaker 2 (19:03):
The domains are still super valuable, the domains, like, so yeah,
it will Burston that there's a ton of superfluous money
in it. But the core, the reason that there's so
much money in is because the original product has potential
and it's good.

Speaker 1 (19:17):
That's exactly.

Speaker 2 (19:18):
Yeah, speculatle of money.

Speaker 1 (19:19):
I'm curious curiousity like if it will if it will
take on you know, say no ninety percent of all
jobs or whatever. And I'm curious about that because I
don't know, none of us know really. I know places
have tried to implement it for a lot of call
centers and stuff, and they found actually it's better to
use in tandem with people to make you know, tasks easier,

(19:41):
more streamlined. But if you just let it work itself,
it doesn't seem to at least currently in its current form, I.

Speaker 2 (19:49):
Can probably replace, like you know, before you might have
a tame leader over six people in the office. It
could probably be a tame leader and one AI. Yeah, yeah,
like would be that kind of equation. But yeah, not
to get like, I think what I'm trying to say
about AI and where it's gone and stuff is you

(20:10):
can see a future in like fifteen years where I
think this is gen beta are being born out at
a minute. I wouldn't be a tall surprised if kids
from like gen Beta don't like personality on the likes
of podcasts and things like that. That's actually like, oh
I don't oh like people like sharing their opinions, people
talking like banter and oh no, I hate that, Like

(20:31):
I just want my podcasts just like AI. Basically, just
like I just want to I don't want personality. I
don't want There's already a lot of people like that.
Like we have probably drove thousands, if not hundreds of
thousands of people mental with our pattern because it's not
for them. Yeah, But like I can see a future

(20:54):
where there's like a generational thing where because of AI
and the more sort of like torn down nature of
how an AI podcast sounds, I could say, a whole
generation of people just not liking banter, not liking power,
not liking fucking that at.

Speaker 1 (21:11):
All, maybe in the way they're they consume their media.
But I think band and like that's part of the again,
people aren't really talking to each exactly.

Speaker 2 (21:20):
Like if you look at like how people are trending
in general, like I.

Speaker 1 (21:23):
Find sometimes the people who are a good bit younger
than me in work, like when why he was younger spoons,
but I was more boisterous and sort they're up for
having the crack and stuff these are. It's very kind
of like you.

Speaker 2 (21:36):
Just remember, like I can't imagine the horror scope of
growing up through having social media from as long as
I can remember, Like that to make sounds absolutely awful.

Speaker 1 (21:45):
Do you think it gets a point where like, like
it should get to a point where like because everyone
has nude pictures of everyone, no one does like if
you this AI thing, Like I totally think that we
have to do something about it because you know you
can't be at that. But like a certain point it's
like I will sure you can just take a picture
of anyone and do you know what I mean, Like
it doesn't.

Speaker 2 (22:04):
Have like nukes is like mutually destruction.

Speaker 1 (22:08):
Yeah, you're like, I'll take a picture of your face
and then send us if you nude me. No, listen, guys,
we need to de escalate the nudes.

Speaker 2 (22:16):
I'll newju getting pegged, No ill getting Superman.

Speaker 1 (22:20):
That's when you need the banter to come up with
new and interesting ways of new people.

Speaker 2 (22:26):
No, but that's like I think that in general, like
ship has changed, and like you know we've had stick
before about you know, say our maybe our stances on
AI or you know whatever whatever, But like I just
ultimately the way I feel about it is you can't
stop the tide. Like you can crib and on about
all you like, and you can try and defend and

(22:48):
protect them. Sure that's great, but I think ultimately, if
you're an artist or creator, as we are, we're creators,
you have to figure out where to evolve or say
a viable like if if if they become the future
where AI podcasts, for example, are just the norm and
that's what people want, well, then that's what people want

(23:08):
them talking top tips like you know, like what are
you going to do? Like like what can you do?

Speaker 1 (23:13):
Like what? It actually really the way life goes. It's
just unfortunate because like I think, I feel like we're
a generation that just has such well, no, every generation,
I suppose, even people born at the turn of the century,
not the twenty first century now, but the twentieth century,
like even that way of living, like they would have
died when people were going to the moon, but would

(23:36):
have been born people were just logging and stuff like that.
So actually, when you consider that that's actually huge growth.
It's just the growth now is like it's less and
more at the same time, it's way faster. But what's
way faster is the digital stuff that's happened. Whereas back
then it was more manufacturing and yeah, whereas now it's

(23:56):
just stuff that sort of yeah, to your point, isn't tangible. No,
it's it's a bizarre it's.

Speaker 2 (24:03):
Like micro managing, Like it's like like micro optimizing micro.
I think the key thing that you know you should
mention when you talk about is that most of it
isn't good anyway, most of it is crap.

Speaker 1 (24:15):
Yeah, so at least now, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (24:17):
But like even like pretty much like at its best
right now on AI image or AI video is worked
a five second laugh or a five second that's cool
and I may move on.

Speaker 1 (24:29):
What's what's interesting is I was in shows over the
the weekend as like at the very yes sorry, like
shows like you all shows ism, but I went up
to the top floor where they have the home wears
and the amount of AI pillows. It's shocking though, because
like back I guess someone drew something or someone did something.

Speaker 2 (24:49):
But the shops and ever A nests that were like that.
Remember we went into there was a place when we
were up doing the two years ago, there was a
shop there, so having like Taurus the mark she stuff with.
I think it might have been the day we were
doing the no No, it was after we got the
whiskey test, and I think it was that there.

Speaker 1 (25:07):
Were where a shop and there was a lot of.

Speaker 2 (25:11):
Artwork there, but a lot of it was AI slap,
like a AI slap section kind of which.

Speaker 1 (25:16):
Was touched up AI slap whereas now they're not touching
it up now, like so you and you can tell
because AI has like a certain sheen to it, Yeah,
like it's been fucking doused in vasline or something like.

Speaker 2 (25:28):
See, we value human med stuff. Most of the listeners
to this podcast probably value human med stuff. We have
a lot of artists to listen to this podcast. We
all value human med stuff. But the reality is, and
this is what I'm trying to get across, as like
there's so many people out there that just don't care.
They don't care. They just look at it and they go,
that's good and the bid that's it. They don't care

(25:49):
about like sitting down behind the creating thing like they
don't care. So either you figure out a way to
make more people care about that or which I actually think,
by the way, is a talent of an artist like
that that is a part of some artist and creators
is being able to kind of cross that bridge and
say or show the craftsmanship, show the process, make the

(26:13):
process appealing. It's like, if you watch fucking and I
consider Chefts artists. If you watch, you know Marco Pierre White.
He's one of my dudes. I love Marco Pierre White.
And he has a new thing on YouTube. I think
he did it for BBC. I think it's called something
like BBC Masters, and I think the video is called
like four Ways for a Potato or something, and he

(26:35):
basically just shows you how to prepare a potato in
four different ways for like four different dishes, and like
you watch that, you're like, I need to fucking take
a potato out, fucking I need to start. Like he
shows you the draft, he explains that he articulates that
he makes it appeal and he makes it sort of
reachable and achievable for someone as well. And he explains
that the n way where you're like, oh, I can

(26:56):
do that, And I think that's part of the skill
of an artist too, is like like communicate showing people
how to appreciate the craft. Also like a whiskey for sure,
for sure to make it personable. And yeah, ironically, what
might happen with as AI maybe expands gets jobs. Let's
say we do go down the universal basic income, or
people have a lot more free time and they don't

(27:17):
have to worry about.

Speaker 1 (27:19):
Keeping a roof over their heads or whatever. Ironically, that
level of AI permeation will mean that people will start
to draw and will mean that they'll start to do
things for themselves more, which in a strange sort of way,
AI will almost send you know, indorse or not indorse,
but but encourage people to go and do these things

(27:42):
that AI is basically doing for us.

Speaker 2 (27:44):
You wonder, like if the value goes out of with
those the thing like if there's no money in it anymore.

Speaker 1 (27:49):
That I think that's the whole thing with it. So
you have like if you've watched a movie recently, you'll
see there's a company called Domain and it's basically just
AI stuff. But you can actually if especially if they
use these big scenes with lots of people, you can
pick out the parts that are a It's harder to
see in a well produced movie. But so if you
watch that movie that came out by a fellow who

(28:13):
did Barbarian I can't even remember the name of it.
Good horror movie, but you can see it in that.
There's a new movie with your man who plays Reacher,
some like a kid's family movie. You can see it
in that, and actually in Sinners that I don't know
if you saw that movie. It's really good. But where
you can see it in Sinners is there's a part
where there's a raid on a pub and you can

(28:34):
actually make out the AI bits there. It's haired like,
but once you're aware of it, you can start to
kind of see how they're doing that because obviously it's
much cheaper than paying a bunch of extras.

Speaker 2 (28:46):
It's really interesting to see how it's all going to go.
But I do think in an air future, probably sooner
than what I think in my own head. I think
that like, there's probably going to be a good chunk
of AI entirely AI podcasts occupying the charts because I
think listen most like there's a lot of just like

(29:09):
podcasts that are for now, there's a lot of trash.
That's what I'm talking about. With money. I'm not trying
to say we're brilliant, but with money, like Okay, So
like ORTA over here is are big TV production studio,
Like most of the podcasts are ort back to affiliated
in some way and there, and they're just automatically because
they have advertisers and stuff. They occupy the top and
some of them are good, some of them are.

Speaker 1 (29:31):
Some of the more documentary type ones are done very well.

Speaker 2 (29:33):
Some of them are tripe and you're like, how did
you get into the charts?

Speaker 1 (29:37):
Like, but you also have to look at like things
like say Cereal, Like if you look at what we
do and the level of efforts, whereas you see resource
and search heavy podcast it is interesting. It is interesting those.

Speaker 2 (29:51):
Are more likely to be replaced by AI.

Speaker 1 (29:53):
True. That's very true. Yeah, because all that stuff is
way easier to find the research online.

Speaker 2 (29:58):
Yeah, do you know what I mean? Like that kind
of really informative like MPR style and all that kind
of stuff like that is very likely.

Speaker 1 (30:05):
You're right, But that again, what I did notice was
I was trying to get him. There's this angry penami
in book I'm trying to get and it's like Lane's
journals and all. Oh yeah, well, as I was going
in and looking for in Amazon, what I notice is
a lot of people are writing AI books about him
that people will pick up not meaning to it, because
there was only like two books, one on Alison Chains

(30:27):
and one on one on him that apparently the last
like few chapters of it are all garbage, and she
made up interviews with him that she never did, you know,
like it's oiled stuff. Something ruby is. I can't remember.
But I saw like three books that were brand new
and you could tell one of them even had an
AI lane on the cover. Like you're just like, come on, guys,

(30:47):
just like put in some effort, you know, But that's it.
But if you think about it, if you were to
sell one of those a week and you're just having like,
you know, a tenor a week basically, so the year there's.

Speaker 2 (31:00):
A lot of AI best podcasts now that are way
more profitable than us, And then you have to ask yourself, well,
do you agree with that sentiment or do you not
agree with that sentiment. I'm personally not salty about it
at all. What I will say at LW is if
people are outraged about this type of carry on, then
you need to support content creators that don't use AI
in your product. And then that's the reality of it

(31:22):
because it's common, and I like, look, I'm not one
of these people like that's gone to the fucking defender,
try and stop it, you know. I just think it
is what it is. The people will dictate what they want,
and I think that you can't stop the tide. I
think it's common and it's.

Speaker 1 (31:40):
Just knowing that's the main thing. We have to wait
and see where this all goes, because right now, like
the most fun thing about it right now is not
knowing where it's going to end up, because people are
you know, some people are saying it's going to do
all this stuff and no one will have a job,
and other people are saying, I don't actually think it's
going to be imed like that. Other people are saying
it's going to actually bring about a workable community, and
like all these theories are flying around and right now,

(32:03):
at least for me, I don't know what the job
market is like out there, but there seems to be
plenty of jobs going. I'm not seeing a slowdown in it.

Speaker 2 (32:11):
I think what's happening is from what I've read around
and stuff, is that it is harder to get hired.
Though I think the competition is really stiff.

Speaker 1 (32:20):
They've said something about people are using AI to make
resumes and HR using AI to read resumes and just
no one's getting jobs like you. But you can see it.
We've like in any tender reviews right now, you can
see the pirates that are made out of AI and
you can see the bits where people have gone a yeah.

Speaker 2 (32:38):
Just so here's the thing. So this is the This
is the philosophical question about all this is if someone
who doesn't have the literacy capability to write a good
TV uses AI to write his CV, which in turn
gets him a job, he.

Speaker 1 (32:56):
Won't pass a six month probation probably if he's not
able to keep up anyway.

Speaker 2 (33:01):
Yeah, or he'll excel yeap and his skill set just
in suit it does like TV. That's what I'm saying,
is like that. That's the philosophical thing I think is
is AI hindering or helping see a lot of people
automatically go It's hindering to just go like all all
this it is this big bad thing to cover out

(33:22):
his back world whatever whatever. But I am kind of
fifty to fifty on because I can see where the
utility of it can come in as a tool to
help people as well. You say, so it's kind of well,
like I put.

Speaker 1 (33:32):
It to you this way, like how often do you
do long division or how often do you have to
use like like a calculator is a sort of an
AI version of a very simplistic tool to say, do
with some But like that hasn't been bad for people

(33:53):
thinking about numbers, do you know what I mean? It
hasn't like had this terrible catastrophic effect. When we know
the whole world and the universe and everything you know
can be mathematically defined. The fact that people don't really
care to do maths doesn't really matter. And in fact,
all you really need in life is a bit of multiplication, division,
addition and subtraction, and you can pretty much do it,

(34:16):
like in terms of budgeting and you know stuff with
work added ten percent onto this or whatever. You don't
need really impressive mathematics, you know, for most people. Obviously,
if you're a mathematician or a physicist, that's a different story.
But you could make the argument like that the calculator
hasn't had a negative effect on society. In fact, it's

(34:37):
probably had quite a beneficial effect on society. I think
AI it's just about because right now. It's a very
it's a very binary way of looking at AI, like
it's either bad. AI is lots of things and at
this AI psychosis and stuff. Yeah, that's going to happen
like Foreshore, because you have something that people can form

(34:57):
a relationship, but it's not capable of having a relationship,
and that will obviously cause problems.

Speaker 2 (35:03):
And I think there needs to be more education on
for sure what AI actually is as well, because people
think it's a science fiction AI like that. They think
it's like X MAC and that type of thing. Yeah, yeah,
but it's not.

Speaker 1 (35:14):
It's But at the same time, we're past the touring test.
Now the touring test is defeated. So if you didn't
know whether you were talking to AI or a person,
you didn't you know, it was just like is it
a roll about? Is it not a But like we're
past that point.

Speaker 2 (35:37):
But we haven't even figured out animal consciousness yet, like
do you know what I mean, Like we don't know
how many animals are truly conscious.

Speaker 1 (35:43):
I don't think I mean they're conscious to the extent
that we can see them move and have agency or whatever.

Speaker 2 (35:49):
But even like passing like a mirror test or.

Speaker 1 (35:55):
Some of the cattle hissed it themselves.

Speaker 2 (35:58):
And all that. Yeah, we're no. I think I think that.
I think that isn't even passing the test. That's just
kind of that's actually more like over acting, Like it's
like self realizing. Like a monkey will use a mirror
to like look check as ours and like they can
notice a different something different about their feature, like like
I think the weast scientists did. It was when the
monkey was asleep or whatever, the mark or red mark

(36:19):
on their cheek and then when they look at the
mirror to check, like and they'll go, oh, way, I'm
different looking now from how I looked yesterday. That kind
of thing. Yeah, apparently that's happening them with fish now
with fish. So yeah, there was I was reading a
study there where they install mirrors in like seaweed beds
kind of in the ocean or around there, and they
were testing it on like I don't know if it's

(36:41):
like little rass or minerals or something, but the fish
they started to notice in these studies were like starting
to do really mad behavior from the mirrors. Like, so
like it implies that fish actually are kind of able
to suscet what's going on there. And that they can
recognize themselves. Like they were saying that the fish were

(37:02):
doing backflips in front of the mirror in the water,
which like they never do.

Speaker 1 (37:06):
Was like what a child would put the mirror in
front of.

Speaker 2 (37:09):
Which is fucking mad right now, because like if you
if you really think about it, and you sort of go,
like what level of consciousness to do all these animals
have that were fucking slaughtering and bombing. Like I seen
a video the other day and I was like it
was so fucking depressed, and it was pigs, pig farms
and gesus. Like the female pigs are literally in they

(37:32):
can't they don't have enough room to turn around, right,
So they're all in these little pens. They can't they
can't move their head backwards or anything like that, and
they just have food in front of them. So they
just eat and then they'll lie down and then they
get up. The next eight lie down, eight lie down.
Then the females then they have a little side pen
enough for them to just give bart and like then.

Speaker 1 (37:56):
And that's the thing we've talked about. We're talking about
aliens in uf on WLL. What if we were and
we're just doing the same shit. Yeah, it's a yeah,
I've my meat consumption is like nearly I'm nearly off
meat totally now at this point. But it's it was
because I saw wild pigs and I just started feeling bad.
I think, do you ever see the movie Octa? I

(38:17):
think it's called It's about that they genetically enhance like
a pig basically, so it's a really cute giant. So
the whole idea of it is there's way more eating
as it's giant. But one breaks out of the factory
and a little girl raises it, and it's this lovely
kind of you know, like kid with a dragon story

(38:38):
like that kind of thing. But then at the end
of it, like, oh my god, it gets harrowing. It
just shows the pigs all being like these you know,
tribotic things, just getting sliced up and it's so grim.

Speaker 2 (38:51):
Like yeah, like I have nothing against hunt them, and
I have nothing against preparing your own meat. I have
nothing against raising your own livestock to kill. I think
that's all actually kind of human.

Speaker 1 (39:03):
I think a lot of a lot of agriculture in
Ireland is in a more humand beef for sure and
stuff like that.

Speaker 2 (39:10):
Yeah, but I do think like if I just to
work closely with him, I think I'd even find harder.
And that's the that's the thing with me. I think
you have to either be bred into like being that way.
So like a lot of people that keep livestock, like
if you're raised in it, I think it's a lot
more palatable to be able to kind of deal with it.
If you're not raised in it and you're used to
sort of say a factory farm or like, you know whatever,

(39:33):
it's harder. I think actually like sucking you go out
to the farm and slaugh or something.

Speaker 1 (39:40):
Like even the name like live stuff, you know what
I mean. Like that that sort of tells.

Speaker 2 (39:45):
You every we have, like we probably have. I'd say
we have four or five vegetarian days a week. Now,
I'd say now today we have red meat. Tomorrow we'll
have red meat. But like I'm also the time now,
I do try and need I don't really much process
me tall. I'm pretty much off all of that. I
don't take any of that ship really, and it's not

(40:07):
I was just kind of like I suppose I'm not
from one. I'm not one of these motherfucking dopes that
me is their personality. Like that's just fucking the most
lame ship. And I appreciate it a bit of red meat.
I appreciate it fucking grill or barbecue or whatever whatever,
but like it's not my personality. I don't give a fuck.
It has no ties to like masculinity. To me, I wedgy.

(40:29):
Half of them fucking wear those like one about barbecues.
Not that ship don't give a fuck.

Speaker 1 (40:33):
About for me as post pescatarian. But then again, if
you finish.

Speaker 2 (40:38):
Can backflip now tell her that to put them to mirror,
look man to come back flip. But I don't like
to food that much, but people that, people that, but
you don't need to foods is the thing? Like just
a couple of dishes like cook with with like beans
and bolts is not under really gold.

Speaker 1 (40:53):
You know they're to be fair, you know, it's just
it's just getting into the habit differently.

Speaker 2 (40:57):
But it's a whole different style of cooking, and it's
like a style that like Irish people are very fucking
fire from most people, and Ireland have even garlic cometo
like fucking ten years ago, So like do you know
what I mean? Like I know, but Irish people are
called garlic spicy, like spicy because it's just like a
fard's like it's interesting. No, no, I think i'm personally

(41:24):
But at the same time, I have nothing against like
people that hunt or anything. As a matter of fact,
I could say, like I have killed animals myself with
guns before, so I do understand that, and I don't
understand that. And you need it in some survival situations.
You need it just if it's if.

Speaker 1 (41:41):
There's nothing like there's nothing like if you judge something
being wrong or right based on what most people do,
like society just eats me. Even though those a lot
of those factories are cruel. The intention isn't to be cruel.
That's not the legitimate Yeah, it's like that. The intention
isn't to just be like, oh yeah, fuck these guys
they have.

Speaker 2 (42:00):
As a taoto fucking animal that like I don't know
whether a lot of people, like I think some people
are under the impression that like delicatessen ham is like
from the pig, but like.

Speaker 1 (42:10):
It's a it's whatever slap, it's.

Speaker 2 (42:12):
A consolidation of many pigs into one. And yeah, yeah
it's formed into a lump of pig.

Speaker 1 (42:22):
It tastes pretty good show. How good fucking pigs are.

Speaker 2 (42:26):
Yeah, that's fine.

Speaker 1 (42:27):
They just mash them all up, put them together, and
it still tastes excellent.

Speaker 2 (42:31):
But I think, like i'd love like there's a parody
made it wants them about the country, and I'd love
to keep a couple of animals. As a matter of fact,
i'd keep as many as I had room for it.
Even I would even go up as big as a donkey,
to be honest with any And I think if I
had them, I think i'd find a very very hard
to make them at that point. And then that's what
I'm saying, I think you have to be kind of
raised as a sort of animals. These animals are freighting

(42:54):
their animals, pets, you know whatever, or like I think,
what may I'd just probably be like, ah, they I can't.
I don't think I could different where if.

Speaker 1 (43:02):
You were raised as a farmer's son, you probably feel yeah,
so you know, because.

Speaker 2 (43:06):
That's what I'm saying, Yeah, you wouldn't, which is which
is fine.

Speaker 1 (43:08):
Like the yeah, yeah, I agree with you. Yeah, And
I love the taste of me. It's just something I've
decided recently, more so out of just pragmatism, like making
two dinners. So yeah, and then it was just yeah,
it just stuck with me. When I was in Brazil
and I saw the porkinos and I was just like,
was there just tiny? You know, it's like seeing a

(43:31):
cat or something, this cute little thing following you around,
and you're like, a, y, I do be eating them.

Speaker 2 (43:35):
I didn't mean butcher stints. And that was enough that
actually turned me off. Made for a good long while.
But I can only imagine some of the process and
plants that if I worked with them, forget it. Like
I remember I might have told that anecdote at the
time when I was reading this book, But like Bob
Mortimer and his autobiography was saying about like he us

(43:55):
still working like it made process and plant and it
literally sounded fucking awful. Like his job was like he
was in this like kind of I think it was
like a stainless steel room and like the floor above
him was like the floor that like they must have
sloughed and murdered everything, so like there was a pipe
in the ceiling where all the slop would fall down

(44:18):
and his job was to sweep like as like.

Speaker 1 (44:23):
That seems to be the way these.

Speaker 2 (44:25):
To fill up up to you, like he said, like
it to be up like up to your boots, like
and it would get up high this like slurry of
like fucking like awful. It's awful, Like it's awful and
it's awful.

Speaker 1 (44:38):
It's what if everybody's worked in a meat factory here
and I asked him about the job one day and
he goes, yeah, I just trust sassages at day that
was his job.

Speaker 2 (44:48):
Yeah. I look, don't get me wrong, it is what
it is, but I do know it is. I do
try and avoid kind of the process mate a bit.

Speaker 1 (44:55):
Every now and then, eating a stage of course, like
even if you just bring the footprint down a bit.
But at the same time, I eat a lot of salmon.
But farm salmon is probably fucking awful. It is. Can
you do because you can't guess you can.

Speaker 2 (45:11):
The wild cat? Yeah, wildcot salmon not farmed, I believe right.

Speaker 1 (45:16):
Sure that's salmon.

Speaker 2 (45:17):
You can get like a test close to it too,
but just frozen. It's actually not bad. A lot of
people win jim on about it, but I think it
that's really good wildcot salmon.

Speaker 1 (45:25):
And it's all it's in like a frozen bag is
usually we get the ones that aren't frozen, because well
generally they taste better. But even when you do get those,
it's like farm in Norway, farmed here, firm there, and
you kind of go, Jesus Christ can't nothing. But then again,
like to your point about what's going to happen with AI,
this is the way things go? And what was it?
Shakespeare said, nothing is wrong or right, but thinking makes

(45:48):
it so, so we can sit down and regard these
things and figure out whatever. It doesn't change the fact
that this is the direction we've gotten in as a
basically a world. So you know, get right with it
or get wrong with it, like and you make your
own decisions, like I I even even thinking about Ireland
and it's green strategies, and I think they're a fucking

(46:09):
complete waste of time because it's not going to do
anything for the rest of the world in any way,
and it's not going to help anything like it it
makes no sense, Like all you.

Speaker 2 (46:18):
Should be down here is doing stuff to improve our inticiencies.
And we should have more trees, we should have more forests,
we should have you know, we should. Ireland is really
bad at focusing on our are basically our sort of
I suppose our fucking our land. Like like it's it's

(46:38):
a lot of people in the come here to say
all these roll and fields and they're like all that's created.
But like we are literally a giant farm which has
as pluses and as minuses. But like when you fly
over Ireland, it's literally all farm and it's you know,
when you think about it like that, it's like all industry,
just patchwork of us nature, Like it's all industry. Sorry,
I guess it's just all industry. So it's like it's

(47:00):
all for a purpose, which you know, it has to
be done as well. Of course people have to make money,
of course, but I think there should be ways that
people should be subsidized and incentivized for doing sort of
things like woods and things like that. In the future,
if I if I come across a small lump song,

(47:22):
I will probably buy a small amount of land, not
even to build on, but just to buy a bit
of land, and I might do something with it.

Speaker 1 (47:29):
I don't know what, like make a little sanctuary. Might
just like if you ever kind of what you should
go out to the Wildlife Sanctuary out in Escordy sometimes
because when you get talking to the lads out there,
you just see how about the animals they are, and
they'd be telling me they'll be like, you know, and
so it's a lovely thing. So like they have an
ape out there and basically, well not an ape. I

(47:50):
think he's some sort of a monkey as a monkey, yeah,
probably just wonder.

Speaker 2 (47:54):
From trying a garden.

Speaker 1 (47:55):
How do I think about it? I think it's just
a lad a story. I think it's just as yourself. No,
but he was basically whatever happened with him or whatever
happened with the place he was in. He was in
a container for like ten years and a lad just
used to put food in it, and so he had

(48:15):
no stimulation.

Speaker 2 (48:17):
Nothing that lad from drying garden center.

Speaker 1 (48:19):
No, it could be the same lad from drying a
garden center. No, but this like, can you imagine the
size of this room by yourself with nothing your lad
feeding you every day and darkness, so he they can't
like let him out. He'll never go back to he'll
never be healthy. But he's way better than he would
have been enriched. I don't know if he's enriched, he's

(48:39):
he's rags to better rags. But it's you know some
of those animals have horrible, horrible stories.

Speaker 2 (48:46):
Yeah. Man, I think that's the thing with the whole
We don't really know the level of consciousness animals have.
And I think I think it's like it's I think
it starts to get squirrely, like there's something my dog does.
Like I'm like, she's fucking intelligently.

Speaker 1 (49:02):
Yeah, but you can see loneliness and stuff. My cat
gets lonely and wants to hang out with you for
a while or even like little things like I've noticed
about him. He'll come upstairs sometimes and start crying. And
you're anyone, You're hungry, like I just fed you. You're
trying to figure out he wants you to go downstairs
with them so that he can do a weei because
he's in a vulnerable position. So like but you know,

(49:24):
for him, that's an anxiety induced element. And if I'm
kind of I was kind of thinking to myself here,
it's like, I wonder does he feel does he have
a sense because a cat does have a sense of retribution,
like animals have senses of fairness as well, you know
what I mean, Or most of them seem to do.
Like I remember a different cat I had bit my

(49:44):
ex at the time because she did something he didn't like,
and I could see the cogs in his brain going
because he thought about it. You could see he went
to do something and he went, well, you're way bigger
than me. You feed me, you do all the stuff
for me, so obviously, like I I need you around
for me. But he's like, but you did this thing
that fucking really annoyed me. And you could see him

(50:05):
for a second considerate and then just clamp down, which
was hilarious. But there is there's some sort of reasoning,
just far less than Yeah.

Speaker 2 (50:15):
No, I said, I said, Sam, with only this way you.
I've seen a clip of a tiger that kept a
goal live and like it isn't as is my enclosure
kept him as a little pet.

Speaker 1 (50:34):
Yeah, there's there's another one.

Speaker 2 (50:35):
I saw were going around together.

Speaker 1 (50:37):
Having There was a jaguar and it killed it attacked
monkeys or whatever, and it one of the baby monkeys
was left there and you could see as the monkeys
were walking off basically to get away from it. The
mother monkey was crying and wanted to go back, but
she knew she couldn't. So you could see this happened

(50:58):
in the documentary. But the weird thing was the jaguar
didn't eat the monkey. It was trying to nurse it
because it had some sort of maternal instinct that kicked
in at the same time. And we have this way
of thinking about ourselves like we're not instinctualar, there's reason
behind what we do. But the reality is that it's
probably a very similar thing. We're on a sort of

(51:19):
an on the rails kind of a thing, and so
we think that we're making decisions and doing this and
doing that, but actually we're probably we're probably working to
pretty similar sort of pathways that the animals would work to,
you know, we just have we have more capacity too.

Speaker 2 (51:40):
Yeah, that's crazy, Like the I think, I'm yeah, I
think as I've gotten older, I've probably got a little
bit more empathy now for all that type of stuff.
And I'm just kind of like like I'm of the
mind now as I get older as well. I'm like,
nothing that Highland does for the environment, it's going to
matter because you've got a bang addction. The boys like

(52:02):
like fucking whatever.

Speaker 1 (52:04):
The China just burning plastic all day, like you.

Speaker 2 (52:07):
Know, so a country that like comes for less than
one percent of the global I should not really have
to worry about this stuff. And as well, there's there's
also an element of like as usual, us pleebs made
you all of our listeners world, the ones that have
to fucking from the front the bill for all these
cons all these corporations who were trying to sell you

(52:29):
like this little cute idea where somehow they're making money
out of it. It's like this whole return scheme with
the bottles, like oh, you know, but that was all
sawn up with so on Ireland for our listeners that
underwhere there was this nationwide rollout of bottle recycling where
you return your battles and you get like twenty five
cents or whatever less five cent or whatever fifteen. But

(52:50):
then they transpired that it was like the biggest bottler
of like soft drinks had basically formed this company or
we're fully in coats with this company, and it was
all coming down to a way to push out drinks
that don't have the return label on them. So like

(53:14):
they were trying to basically do a market of one
like take over a kind of scenario, but they don't
they're not they're not the return scheme they're not return
scheme efficient, so then don't put the mans buy our
stuff instead.

Speaker 1 (53:28):
All this bullshit. There's places where you have these electrical
charging stations for the carrs. They're not even turned on
because they're in these new estates. No one has fucking
electric cars. So these things cost what eighty grand to make?
No one's using it, it's not there. Then the other
side you get is how much oil are we going
to need to run the electrical grid when everything is

(53:49):
just going to be electrical and how often are we
going to have to turn off the grid? Like either
I think, no matter what you do, you don't get
to live like this without fucking things up. And yeah,
just either eat that or you just go right, because
what is the option The politicians just go, actually, we're
all just going to live in little tribes from now on,
like there's no way back. So either we develop something

(54:10):
that's going to work and make sure the planet is healthy,
or we just go all go and get buster swords
and arm cannons and start trying to fight Chindre.

Speaker 2 (54:18):
But if you think about it as well, though, right,
every single thing technologically iterates really quickly, like most things
that you have your laptop, your phone, your heat pump,
your whatever, whatever. But houses and technology evolving, the building
and making houses hasn't really gotten any better. So like

(54:39):
you're kind of well, it has in way, it's just
like better insulation and things like that. But like what
it says over here, like you can't build a house
set like an art chip, like the arts are really
go because you won't get a planning Yeah, so planning
permission that won't allow you that's all to build.

Speaker 1 (54:54):
That's all gimmick as well, like even heat pumps, Like
I know people have heat humps and some of them
seem to work quite well, and blah blah blah. This
isn't a good environment for a heat in Ireland, like
we really should be.

Speaker 2 (55:08):
Like burn call.

Speaker 1 (55:09):
Yeah, but honestly, god, it's not. It's not really working
as well as people like I see the problem. They're
not really fit for Like Ireland's a temperate rainforest, so
in a Scandinavian country, you got dry air, no condensation,
no freezing.

Speaker 2 (55:24):
You see, these heat have that big cystic fibrosis air.

Speaker 1 (55:27):
Yeah, exactly exactly. You need Himalayan salt to try and
make sure that your heat pump works all right, like
the whole thing is a joke. And then think about
the sea I grants and all that sort of ship,
Like they're gonna find out that half of this ship
has been installed poorly, very poorly, and one day like
they can look for that buddy back like I I
don't know.

Speaker 2 (55:46):
I you see the but.

Speaker 1 (55:49):
You see, you see what's going. It's a drive and
they're all again, you just follow where the dollar is
going and that'll usually tell you whose advocations all this?
And look, maybe it's hard in the place.

Speaker 2 (56:00):
Maybe sometimes I'll go or release.

Speaker 3 (56:02):
In the documentary had a massive effect on I think,
Like I think you can live quite technologically advanced and
have low impact if you were to set up a
solar farm and you had a nice little if you
were if you had the room for you a.

Speaker 1 (56:17):
Twelve volt battery that can charge things.

Speaker 2 (56:20):
You'd rather fucking ship on us all or like to
be able to powerhouse in winter in Ireland because Ireland
in the winter is not very sunny whatever, but yeah,
like it's doable, Like it is doable, but it's not.
It's not doable for all these houses like you and
I live in No so because we don't have the
lamps to do.

Speaker 1 (56:36):
It, and again you have to go without for a
lot of stuff. Yeah, like, so we can't have a
two stary, Like you can have a tiny house that
will run off a grade. You can't have a house
like this. Not that we have giant houses, but just
normal sized houses. Yeah, it's just not not feasible.

Speaker 2 (56:50):
It's it's interesting to say how how things are gone.
I think it is something I think about a lot
with the AI. I think about like, I'm like, what
does it look like in ten years, where like most
art and media is totally devalued because there's no labor
put into it anymore, Like what does that look like?

(57:11):
Like what does that make media? It already looks bad.

Speaker 1 (57:15):
So like say, for example, comic books, like comic book
pencilers and artists, like they get paid minimum wage. Apparently,
I'm I'm sure that's not true of all comic artists,
but my friend who'd be involved in comic books said like, yeah,
like the money is just not there. So like and
if you think about how first of all, like if

(57:35):
you love drawn and someone's like you're the Batman artist,
like that would be for so many people. But if
that's still only paying you like a corporate wage, you know,
a middle of the road wage, and you're like a
batman artist. You're probably putting in more hours than someone
doing a forty hour.

Speaker 2 (57:53):
Week and won't pay anything in ten years. This is it.
So we're talking.

Speaker 1 (57:57):
You don't get residuals. I don't think as an artist. Yeah,
so like, but I don't know, I don't know that.

Speaker 2 (58:03):
So what does that look like? Though? That's I think I.

Speaker 1 (58:06):
Think comic books to some extent, maybe it'll go more
digital or whatever.

Speaker 2 (58:09):
Music, what does that look like?

Speaker 1 (58:11):
I think people will still want real.

Speaker 2 (58:13):
Most people won't. You don't think so not most people.
You have to think that we you and I and
probably a lot of our listeners because just by practice
of this induster so long, like we're all similar enough,
like minded people, right, and we all can generally agree
on most of the stuff we talk about, but we

(58:36):
probably appreciate like people that make music. Right.

Speaker 1 (58:41):
But like you know, I think you're probably right actually popular,
like it's funny as well. I'm just thinking it.

Speaker 2 (58:47):
Is never a prety shadded for it's real, like, no.

Speaker 1 (58:49):
It's sexualized women for the most parts that but it's
appreciated for it's just it's it's appret shadded for just
making your head bounce for three minutes.

Speaker 2 (58:58):
And now sometimes there can be more than that, Like
pop music can be way more.

Speaker 1 (59:01):
There's probably gonna be probably close to it is like
a robust song singer song, right it is. But I
mean I'm sure there's gonna be one that's actually it
moves well, it's.

Speaker 2 (59:12):
You know, like a physical representation.

Speaker 1 (59:14):
Yeah, so like you'll actually have that experience of going
to a cancert, but it's a robust that's doing everything.

Speaker 2 (59:18):
Well, Like I'm pretty soon you will have a full
AI music video. But while there already is some sol
Now when I said that, because sometimes people this entire
episodes are going to talk about it and well or
it is this so I know that, But what I'm
saying not to the extent, not to where it's it's
not to where it's like, uh, you know, you can't
differentiate and like I'm talking about a fucking Taylor Swift

(59:40):
level of personality with music videos.

Speaker 1 (59:42):
And stuff that isn't the real Do you think do
you think it becomes something like cyberpunk or it becomes
something because if you think about like even just everything
you buy there, like there's that vintage shop where you
get the old Samurai or whatever his name is, records
and all that shit. But it's all all the ads
and everything look very AI generally, do you know what
I mean? Like in the game itself, not that it

(01:00:03):
would be exactly like that. I think it's going to
second and really squarely when we start to integrate with AI.
I think that's and robotics when they get better, because
I do think we're on that path.

Speaker 2 (01:00:15):
Oh well, maybe I'm just I just really struggled, or
to get back to the art. I really struggle to
envision what direction it's going to goll Like if anyone
and everyone can create something of equal quality more or less,
how get you might need to learn a bit of
prop engineern a little a little bit. What then happens?

Speaker 1 (01:00:39):
I'll tell you what go into shaws take. If you
take a look at those pillows, Let's say you had
to play a Christmas pillow for someone. I think that
you and maybe because we are the way we are,
but I do think a lot of people would feel
like this as well if they know it's AI. Because
someone is a it cheapens the kind of gift itself.

(01:01:00):
Like if you got a photograph of someone and got
AI to do to make it look a certain way
and then framed it, it would have less value. And
if you kind of did something yourself with that right
now it does Right now it does?

Speaker 2 (01:01:13):
You're right.

Speaker 1 (01:01:13):
Yeah, maybe in the future that's different.

Speaker 2 (01:01:15):
When it looks class and doesn't look like AI slap
and will.

Speaker 1 (01:01:21):
Do you think that it can?

Speaker 2 (01:01:22):
Yeah? I think a lot of the reason that those
fellows look shift it's because we're using like basic scrame
printing techniques and things like that. Like, I think you
can probably make a fairly good you know.

Speaker 1 (01:01:32):
So do you think like AI because AI is kind
of looks better than c G I in certain cases. Now,
do you think that it's just going to be as real?

Speaker 2 (01:01:41):
Oh? Yeah, absolutely, A kind of is like certain stuff.
I don't know, man, it's it's just weird. It's I
can't really accurately see the future, but it's kind of
it's hard to know because all for all that I saw,
it's a boom, it's a bubble. It's what everybody ever talk.
And that may be true for certain sectors. One sector
that seems to be get an increasingly convincing is the

(01:02:02):
video and the image generation. Like you can say whatever
you want about your chatgpts and all that, but the
visual aspects and maybe the audio as well. Both of
all failds seem to be doing really well.

Speaker 1 (01:02:13):
And so.

Speaker 2 (01:02:15):
In the future AI personalities they already are, but in
the future they're going to become more of a thing.
So you just wonder, like, what does that look like?
What does that do? We just totally end up devalue
in media to a degree, and like almost going to
see a live band is like a totally separate experience. Well,
it's just like.

Speaker 1 (01:02:33):
From something else. Maybe. So you had let's say in
the early days, you had a TV that only came
on at six o'clock, was only on for x amount
of time, it was black and white, and only watch
one channel exactly. Then you go into where you have
more options in your terrestrial channel. You go from that
to digital, which is more options again, and then you
go from digital to more of an online model, which

(01:02:55):
is like let's say YouTube. Eventually that gets into streaming.
So now you're basically within certain limitations you're selecting your entertainment,
and that goes almost across the board with with podcasts, movies,
TV shows, whatever music. I think where it might get
to is you can just tell AI what you want

(01:03:18):
to watch. I want to watch something like this story.
It'll eventually be in a in a way that it
can generate that. But I think that what could happen
is this might turn out a little bit like when
we all used to pirate stuff. There was no we
had no value on what we were getting, and at
a certain point, actually you weren't enjoying it. And now
we've come full circle where you and me buy vinyls

(01:03:39):
that we like.

Speaker 2 (01:03:40):
Yeah, that could, like see what might happen though, is
might integrate with other technologies and give give stuff and
newman ands all like a VR headset with being able
to imagine whenever you want, whenever you want. Yeah, it
would be quite class like So if you were like,
so the idea of like sitting down after your dinner

(01:04:00):
after a long day and go on, ah, make me
a movie. There you know it's an action film, like
fucking I don't know the bad guy ends up, there's
a plot twist for the bag he's a good guy
whatever whatever, whoever. That won't be appealing both being like
immersed in something like, Okay, I want to see what
Everest is like now I want to be able to
climb up that and have a look around and blah

(01:04:21):
blah blah, like combined technologies. You're wonderful that tech off more.
It's pretty strange.

Speaker 1 (01:04:26):
It's just and do you eventually go into like a
sort of a sarcophagus that stimulates your body in some
ways to like, you know, so you can feel the cold,
you can feel the heat, you can feel mean, and
then you get back to this whole Alan Watt's idea
where you have a dream machine. And then a certain time,
you've done all the fantasies, you've lived, the adventures, you've
rowed everyone, and now you're just going, do you know

(01:04:47):
what I want? A random experience? And that's like what
this life is is. We're you know, like I'm I'm
really worried that when I die, I'm gonna just like
wake up in a room with a lot of la
no mickey, that I might have a making girl who
was living life as a guy. We might even be human,
we can be these other entities and we're like, oh,

(01:05:08):
you see the the AI generated these weird looking oaks.
John to live life in one of them and this
is so real.

Speaker 2 (01:05:16):
Speaking of media, have you watched all Stranger Things is
back on? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:05:21):
I watched the four episodes.

Speaker 2 (01:05:22):
I watched the four spoiler everyone you can turn off now, Yeah,
are went to watch it?

Speaker 1 (01:05:29):
Yeah, Stranger Things is good. I think it's like it's good.
I'm not like mad into it, but I enjoy it.

Speaker 2 (01:05:35):
That's what I felt. I think last season with Eddie
and all his class it was cool, Like there's some
really cool moments in that last season. This one, I
thought I was expecting a bit more now, I'll be honest.
From the four, I forgot that there is still another
four that all so like there's still a bit of
juice there, but like it was kind of expecting someone

(01:05:55):
to get fucking mollered, Like I wanted someone to get killed.

Speaker 1 (01:05:58):
Yeah, I kind of like say there, say it because
I thought it was going to be hot for a
while there.

Speaker 2 (01:06:02):
He Wills up for the top.

Speaker 1 (01:06:03):
It's a yeah, I think Will probably has to go.

Speaker 2 (01:06:06):
It makes sense. It's like kind of because his part
of character, he's kind of obviously he's gay. He but
his love interest is not interested in him.

Speaker 1 (01:06:15):
I don't say his love interest doesn't even.

Speaker 2 (01:06:17):
Know exactly, and you know he's just remilly but see
brown or whatever.

Speaker 1 (01:06:21):
Maybe that's why he is the powers. He had to
become eleven so that Mike would like him.

Speaker 2 (01:06:25):
Yeah, I think I can see him becoming this kind
of like bittersway kind of not even bitter sweight, just
double bitter character.

Speaker 1 (01:06:34):
I think he'll have tragic to live in the in
the upside, in the other place or something like that,
but he'll be like a force for good.

Speaker 4 (01:06:42):
Maybe that's yeah, decent because he because yeah, his his
arc is the most important when you think about it,
probably more important than Eleven's because I made sure lokay,
he was the one that was stuck in the upside
and all that from from there.

Speaker 1 (01:06:56):
And he's like such a sort of a tragic figure
in the fast you know, the shite hair. Yeah, it's
funny when you see them like andering interviews or whatever,
like oh these dudes look cool, look cool now, But
it is. I think it's good. Like I like that
thing with Robin and him, and you know she's sort
of trying to tell him like, oh, look all right

(01:07:20):
to you you are or whatever, like like I do
think that that's it's cool. That that can happen. It's
not like a huge thing in the show, if that
makes sense. Yeah, you know what I mean, Like it's
a good layer to the character. Yeah, whereas like it does,
it doesn't feel that they're pandering to anything.

Speaker 2 (01:07:35):
It's just I think like he's getting in real life, right, So,
like I think he was on them people that I
think his name has gone around at the time when
he was a bit younger, people were like, oh, he's
like he's definitely a bit like right, and yeah, he's gay.
So I think I think it was one of them
things where he wrote that plot almost by just being himself, just.

Speaker 1 (01:07:53):
By being gay.

Speaker 2 (01:07:53):
Yeah, I think, No, I don't know for sure, but.

Speaker 1 (01:07:56):
It's a good thing because when you think about it,
like there's so little representation like ifl no, but just
in general, like how often do you get a main character.
Maybe it's just the stuff you watch.

Speaker 2 (01:08:09):
This man you swing on Netflix and you hit the
gay every show on Neflix agay.

Speaker 1 (01:08:17):
Name one of the shows that they're all gay. Yeah,
this is like this the they're all gay name one.
Jesus said, No, I'm only joking. There is there is
a lot. There's a lot more representation, but I do
think it's important. Boots is very gay.

Speaker 2 (01:08:38):
All right, just actually sorry, the question just kind of
the latch really quick. If we could have a Jesus
cinematic universe, Jesse, if you will, talked about this in
last week's episode. I think who's in the first movie,
who's the villain? And how many movies will this take?

Speaker 1 (01:08:53):
HEROD obviously has to be the first movie. Maybe God
is the villain.

Speaker 2 (01:08:57):
So you're not about so the first two. This movie
would actually be Jesus Earliers, which is actually a Bible
that scripturalized in the Bible. Do you know about Baby Jesus.
The Baby Jesus stories? They're not canning stories.

Speaker 1 (01:09:11):
Oh, they weren't accepted.

Speaker 2 (01:09:14):
So Baby Jesus was like, I think he might have
killed the motherfucker Young Jesus. Jesus ages like one to
twelve because like there's not in the Bible about young Jesus.

Speaker 1 (01:09:23):
He just goes from being like maybe to go and.

Speaker 2 (01:09:25):
They're like hanger, like you're just oh my God, like,
what what's going on there?

Speaker 1 (01:09:30):
I think that.

Speaker 2 (01:09:32):
So that's the first.

Speaker 1 (01:09:33):
But you're curious as well, because like God is a
fairly avengeful god. And angry God and Jesus is chill,
so like it's almost like every father So on the story,
do you know, like your dad is like going and
work in the factory and you're like, no, I'm trans well,
what he's gone.

Speaker 2 (01:09:51):
You know he's not he's gone eighties nice. He kind
of he said something on the podcast now what everyone
wants to about the context he's religious. He basically said
something like he can sort of starting to see from
that perspective a bit more.

Speaker 1 (01:10:08):
But is he starting to see from the perspective in
terms of like the values that it has, or is
he starting to see from the perspective.

Speaker 2 (01:10:13):
No, I think he's starting to see it from the
perspective of like that was a historical Jesus Christ character,
and you know there are decent credible reports of like
people witnessing miracle, so then you kind of have to go, well,
like there must have been. I think he was saying
like and I look, I'm totally bulchering it, but I
think he was implying something to the line of facts

(01:10:34):
of like there was definitely something interesting about him, and
that would.

Speaker 1 (01:10:39):
It's such a funny thing, like this fucking well educated
like actually I've thought about it for a while and
all the ship that never happens anymore.

Speaker 2 (01:10:47):
Well, interesting about him is that he was a vegan.
That was not a vegan, So like he's definitely wrong.

Speaker 1 (01:10:52):
Good it's a good thing, I think, to consider your
point of view and change it. And you know, I
don't think there's anything wrong.

Speaker 2 (01:10:58):
I don't think he even necessarily changed as he's saying,
which is like it is true. It's there was a
historical figure and Jesus Christ. Interesting shit happened, and not
so much soul that a bunch of people most of
the warm they'll follow him and believe what he was
saying and what people said that he did, and we
all believe, well we believe.

Speaker 1 (01:11:17):
But I guess that's what it comes down to. It
comes down to, like do you believe that this fellow
was walking on water? The miracles and stuff like that,
and why was he walking on water? Like that does
seem kind of edged, Lord, Like, I do think that
King Herod is probably your first villain, because that's that's

(01:11:38):
Joseph is the stare probably played by Jason Stathem. I'm
actually but like you know, because Joseph and Mary they're
trying to look after the child.

Speaker 2 (01:11:50):
I think Mel Gibson should play every single biblical figure
and the stories of the Bible that Jesus.

Speaker 1 (01:11:57):
A vibe, that would definitely be a vibe. He does
love Jesus, and he's making a sequel to Yeah, what's
this one?

Speaker 2 (01:12:05):
That's the resurrection? That's the resurrection? That would be like
infinity are now wet a lot of man class Jesus
class man.

Speaker 1 (01:12:17):
No, Look, I think Jesus is great.

Speaker 2 (01:12:19):
Good lad. Like, if we don't have Jesus, who do
we have? You know what I mean? We have the
other lad, Yeah, we do have him. We also have
a comment which I assume is tolling because it was
on the episode where I fucking talked about it, what
happened to those conspiracy guys? Those conspiracy guys stopped for
a while, and that's basically what happened to him.

Speaker 1 (01:12:41):
I don't I don't think it's for us to answer.

Speaker 2 (01:12:43):
Really, you know, did anything happen to it?

Speaker 1 (01:12:45):
No?

Speaker 2 (01:12:46):
No, not really.

Speaker 1 (01:12:46):
I think there's a dose of stuff waiting to go out.

Speaker 2 (01:12:49):
Yeah, you know, on the it's like, yeah, just doing
this thing.

Speaker 1 (01:12:52):
Man, he's just a man living his life, you know,
let him live his life's good.

Speaker 2 (01:12:55):
Like but as I said in the last time, it's
it's got problem to have people want to hurt me.

Speaker 1 (01:12:59):
You know, so you know, I it's nice, but it's
like meanwhile, other questions like when are you guys going
to stop the content?

Speaker 2 (01:13:05):
But it's nice like that people care. But for sure,
I mean, you know what I mean, it's not that deep.
Like you know, it's like people come, think about all
the YouTubers that have come and gone over there.

Speaker 1 (01:13:16):
There is there's something salacious about conspiracy podcast where it
just sort of all the content just stops, you know
what I mean. You can have some fun.

Speaker 2 (01:13:27):
Voice and a lot of.

Speaker 1 (01:13:29):
Going to be like to remember that Sandra Bullock movie
The Net and they made a TV show out of it,
Like it's going to be like that, just with Gordon
trying to escape the government.

Speaker 2 (01:13:36):
Escape in the Irish government, Get back here, Gordon Sandra Ballocks. Yeah, man,
he's grand. What happened to those subspiracy guys? Yeah, that's
is that what they're all asking It would be hilarious
if we were just flooded some there were like questions,

(01:13:58):
what happened to those conspiracy guys? Yeah, it's a it's
a modern mystery. But look, we'll leave it there. Actually,
that was a good amount often there and for what
was to be a sort of a chilled out kind
of episode. Hopeies enjoy that they are Fox. We will
give our new patrons a shout out on next Monday's episode.
I forgot throughout today. But yep, much love, mind yourself

(01:14:23):
and be nice to pigs.

Speaker 1 (01:14:25):
Be nice to pigs and cows. Chickens less so chickens.

Speaker 2 (01:14:28):
Chickens are class descendants of dinosaurs, you know, I.

Speaker 1 (01:14:35):
Respect them less than cows and pigs.

Speaker 2 (01:14:38):
Real, Yeah, they're not cute like and they're not mammals.
Two things that Yeah, cute mammals better than a ship bird.

Speaker 1 (01:14:48):
They're aggressive aggressive Yeah yeah, roostre

Speaker 2 (01:14:56):
Mans over now,

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