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Speaker 3 (01:07):
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after him plants. It's actually yes, you can apparently microplastics
literally like is it.

Speaker 2 (01:16):
Like how like to now bother shirt? Doesn't it just
take goes in the flat fat deposits right, and sure
the milk wouldn't be going that way. I believe there's
a tube to the nipple on the inside that.

Speaker 3 (01:26):
Carries the milk yeah, so at your microplastics every which way.

Speaker 2 (01:31):
You know, the boob that's like a sponge and when
you grab it like milk, just you know.

Speaker 3 (01:36):
New I was reading that that I actually funny should
mention microplastics new study out.

Speaker 2 (01:41):
Every time you have talked about a study about microplastics,
it makes everyone sad.

Speaker 3 (01:45):
Yeah, not a new study. And I was basically saying that,
like you just shouldn't be drinking bottled water or bottled
drinks really at all. And I believe that I heard
a couple of anecdots where people were saying, like one
person was like, oh, like all of those bottles are
single use, so like any bottled water single use, but
like some people do reuse the bottles, which I get

(02:07):
the logic is like, well, bottle use it. But apparently,
like super plastics on the second retard to start, you're
getting into a nice little soup.

Speaker 2 (02:15):
I definitely don't do that and haven't done that the
last number of months at the gym with the exact
bottle every time.

Speaker 3 (02:22):
That's really bad and bacteria and stuff in the plastics,
see the plastic comes porse. But anyway, I story short,
it's like it's obvious that that's just.

Speaker 2 (02:33):
Not going for you. Get a can of water like Coca.

Speaker 3 (02:35):
Cola, neicely, all of these companies are going to suppress
any fucking information about anything like that being bad for
you because you're like, that's our whole ship of course
we're going to Are we.

Speaker 2 (02:45):
Just going to get a place where just everything's cans
like just aluminium.

Speaker 3 (02:49):
See you have got too, it's lined with plastic.

Speaker 2 (02:54):
And that's what preserves it, I assume, so you.

Speaker 3 (02:56):
Can they can actually will preserve stuff which is not
as long, but the plastic line and then just guarantees
no ros and in the inside of the can, so
everything can past.

Speaker 2 (03:07):
Are we just back to glass? Glass is the best glass?
But is this? Is this like the more things changed,
the more they say the same, like.

Speaker 3 (03:17):
This is best us and we're going back to glasses,
going back to glass? We should glasses?

Speaker 2 (03:22):
And was it just unless it smashes? But is that
the whole reason we got away from it? Probably the
cost of.

Speaker 3 (03:30):
Consumption anywhere in class.

Speaker 2 (03:33):
The minute ship of cash.

Speaker 3 (03:35):
Right, Okay, so this is this is this is kind
of global sort of preservation falls to the they're going
on about like, oh, all this plastic hasn't really been recycled.
Why are we recycling they're sending the china there, sending
to India or turning and revers and not back in
the fucking say anyway, So why don't we use glass then,

(03:55):
because you've got an ineffective recycling thing, whereas with glass
can be recycled properly.

Speaker 2 (04:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (04:02):
So and even tain, right, if it's going to be
done plastic whatever, but surely even plastic line tain is better.

Speaker 2 (04:07):
Than better than just plastic plastic. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (04:10):
Yeah, so like you would think, right, this is a
circular kind of economy. You can have a class and
it's avail.

Speaker 2 (04:17):
It's funny. Then meanwhile, if you think about things that
have now become commonplace, you have those twisty bottle tops
and they have the extra layer plastic doesn't match, so
it doesn't affect the animals. Yeah, but look at how
fast that took over, very quickly. But that's probably just
because it's plastic. Whereas if you're trying to like upend
the whole industry, I think we just have to embrace

(04:39):
that we're all fucked from plastic and just be like, yeah,
this is the way it is.

Speaker 3 (04:42):
Like yeah, well, like I think, no matter what comes
out about microplastics, like if they come out tomorrow, And
I said, yeah, plastic, and andre is good studies to
suggest this, like microplastics really increase the risk about able
cancer really and increase the risks of cognitive brain function
stuff because plastic they can get through the blood brain

(05:02):
barrier in your brain. Like if they come of, it
doesn't matter because it's going to be lobby lobbied against
all the time. So like it's even like big tobacco,
they lobbied against vape and lobby against vapin until they
become vapor and now they are vaping, Big Tobaccos and now.

Speaker 2 (05:17):
All the vapor companies and now.

Speaker 3 (05:19):
It's like impossible, like I think whereas it in the Okay,
didn't they they banned the single use vapes. So what
the companies did was to just put like a cheap
USB port on its to just get around it. And they
were like, oh no, it's rechargeable.

Speaker 2 (05:31):
Now it's not.

Speaker 3 (05:32):
Really like it. It's like costs more to try and do.

Speaker 2 (05:38):
Why why did they? What was the reason behind ban
and single use pace? It's just such a fucking waste.

Speaker 3 (05:43):
I mean, you think all the plastics, you think about
you think about all the technology that is in one
single use disposable fucking vape, like, and these concerts are
throwing them in the bin or in the park or
in the river.

Speaker 2 (05:55):
There's like a battery which could be recycled. There's a
circle bore recycled.

Speaker 3 (06:02):
There's like wiring, there's like every single it's like thick,
like there should never have been disposable ever, Like it's
just not it's just so stupid calculator. It's like, yeah, exactly,
it's insane. So the fact that that has become commonplace
just kind of shows you where we're at. It's actually
surprising to me, to be honest, which is just kind

(06:22):
of shows you how fucking behind we still are. It's
like people are doing that and just fucking away all
the shit.

Speaker 2 (06:28):
You're like, like.

Speaker 3 (06:29):
I thought we were higher up as as a civilization
to where we didn't we weren't doing such obviously Yokal
fucking ship like literally like that's like probably worst littering
than you could ever do with that ship. Think about
the lithium and the batteries, the toxic ship like.

Speaker 2 (06:45):
That, it just goes into the natural environment at the
end of it, and the land somewhere.

Speaker 3 (06:49):
It's the same as the plastics. But again, you know,
it's just crazy. It's plastic as in everything we're wearing
plastic right now, polyester, the things we watched, it's just
what are plastic little scrubbers that's plastic.

Speaker 2 (07:03):
Probably plastic in the fucking fairy liquid. Yeah, last, and
I think you should just plastic like.

Speaker 3 (07:11):
Like, ultimately, it's the same as anything. You might live
and die without whatever affecting it. But what if I
come out and it said all plastic causes autism? What
would happen?

Speaker 2 (07:19):
Then I'm sure you're allowed to say anything. You may
as well just go public, like never mind, I don
know what if they did. If there's there's corlation there.

Speaker 3 (07:30):
And different disruption and plastic, so you're going like right, okay,
and hormone production and plastic.

Speaker 2 (07:36):
And our taints are getting smaller and are getting small
The sperm has gone badired like it's all gone bad.
You know.

Speaker 3 (07:44):
Our sperms are like covered in plastic.

Speaker 2 (07:46):
They're like the dolphins with fucking shopping bags trying to
figure out where they're going.

Speaker 3 (07:53):
There plastic molecules. It's crazy, man, Like, it is crazy.
But if anyone's listening to they feel hopeless starar West
to avoid it. One, just wear more cotton.

Speaker 2 (08:02):
Or wool better yet your own clothes. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (08:05):
Two is just cut down on your bottle to produce
and try and do things yourself. A lot of ships
laden and Michael Michael plastics is just lazy ship like
convenience males, instant noodles, all that crap, like just stopping.

Speaker 2 (08:20):
Because when you're buying food from the supermarket, like fish,
whatever you might need organic. Yeah, still just plastic everything.

Speaker 3 (08:30):
I'd say if you did like an all plastic shopping
challenge in a supermarket, you would pretty much not be
able to buy most things, considering like milk and all
milk carns are lined with plastic. Oh yeah, you know,
it's like everything.

Speaker 2 (08:41):
Even the bottle tops, the inside of plastic.

Speaker 3 (08:46):
They can't really buy much. A couple of spots or something, maybe.

Speaker 2 (08:50):
A bag of spuds and a fucking bale of brickets.
That's all you can get. It's to be fair. You
can live on potatoes though Irish been doing that.

Speaker 3 (08:58):
If you're doing yourself, but there it's all it's all
busy body ish. If you were trying to live like
in a way where you're trying to cut down all
that stuff. It would be so busy just trying to
have the basic convenience, like because you can make your own, well,
the easiest milk to make on your own would be
like oat milk. You can make all milk easy without microclastics,

(09:20):
but it's gonna take a time. Like it's like you
can make butter and you can store it in a
glass jar, but it's gonna take.

Speaker 2 (09:27):
Time when most of us are working exactly, it's not feasible.

Speaker 3 (09:31):
That's why we were talking about off grad before we
went down there. Like most of those off grad guys
will tell you it's like I sacrificed or I give
up my job working nine to five to work nine
to five here.

Speaker 2 (09:42):
Yeah, basically, and how do you feel? Like the guys
who would do the videos, they're like, I'd never go back.

Speaker 3 (09:47):
Or yeah, So one guy I was watching, so me
and em and wrapping a conversation about off grade people
that just basically they build a house and they producedraw electricity,
and they produced strong ray and water harvestrong ray and
water and all that stuff. But yeah, this one guy
was saying, he was actually it was kind of funny,
he said. He was like I never thought i'd be,
but it was like I'm now pagan by just living

(10:10):
off grade. It was like it just happens to you.
You just become pagan over time.

Speaker 2 (10:13):
You just believe in the old gods.

Speaker 3 (10:15):
Well, like it's like you become synced in with your surroundings,
like like he was saying, he was like the water
I drink is from this valley, the food I eat
is from this valley. I kill animals that live in
this valley and they eat from this valley. Every single
thing that I do is tied into this valley.

Speaker 2 (10:32):
And so how does he actually he probably plants, does
a little bit of his own low level agrithm. He
just goes out. And how does he hunt? Does he said? Traps? Yeah,
a bit of both guns and traps. Yeah, guns and traps.

Speaker 3 (10:46):
But he but like again it's that's a full time job,
like oh yeah.

Speaker 2 (10:51):
Of course, yeah, the reason we have.

Speaker 3 (10:52):
But you probably feel more valuable though, and more sustained,
like like you probably feel more accomplished and all of
that stuff.

Speaker 4 (11:00):
Probably, yeah, but there's probably certain things that you're you're
almost ostracized from, Like if you have a child, with
a social services just take it away because like you
need to teach your child mathematics, not how to catch
a rabbit.

Speaker 3 (11:12):
I don't know that, but I think I think those
parents and that one did, I think they all do
teach their kids.

Speaker 2 (11:17):
Like and in school. But I'm just thinking of the
pragmatism of it all, like I'm not against it in
any way, like I think naturally is it. I'll go
box for Ireland. In Ireland, yeah, afraid the rest of
the world, man, not just get a tablet is download
your it's all free.

Speaker 3 (11:34):
But I walk because you're not walk agenda.

Speaker 2 (11:40):
This book is gay. Actually I actually saw that down
in the Red Books place. I was trying to find
the part where they were like fist and asses and stuff.

Speaker 3 (11:47):
But just say it's just like it's like the new
thing that was like I seeing all these Fastbook males
are just mame, like I'm canceling in Netflix subscription because
it's transgender Netflix transit.

Speaker 2 (12:02):
It's funny, Like she was like in the family grooms,
like make sure you make this change and watch apps
the like ma, And then my cousin was like that's garbage,
Like just in the group chat, that's garbage is like
all this ship is just like just stop. You know,
it's like any this has been going on for Remember
this is like chain letters, do you know, like you

(12:24):
get a letter out of the Nords, Like if you
don't pass this on, fucking Azrael is going to burn
your house down. Like I don't know, it's all the
same ship.

Speaker 3 (12:33):
Yeah, it's yeah. I mean, look, don't get me wrong.
They're probably our agendas from any kind of big company
that puts out material.

Speaker 2 (12:42):
Yeah, but like like like the chat, I don't really
understand what the trans agenda would even be other than
I think I think they're the kids gay?

Speaker 3 (12:52):
What are you like, what's the point because then they'll
consume more Netflix.

Speaker 2 (12:57):
I mean, do we have that more more gay? And
then like you start forcing the gay people, you know,
we need more.

Speaker 3 (13:08):
Children like clockworks open on Fox Dubes and you had to.

Speaker 2 (13:12):
Watch not Being Gay. It is kind of a mad thing,
like Charlie car Cone on YouTube. Jesus yeah, until until
you eventually just with like sort amount. Then well, to
be fair, if you look at the fucking right wing
agenda that like it's just sucking.

Speaker 3 (13:32):
I don't like giving me this, Give me a plastic
free valley. That's what I want, a plastic free valley.

Speaker 2 (13:38):
And that's I'm thinking about this. Even vegetables, right, you
get organic vegetables, Yeah, they should becoming big bags of plastic.

Speaker 3 (13:45):
Yeah, some supermarkets are getting better about that, where you
bring your own bag that is plastic bag more often
than not the song that they're provided, but you can't
actually bring pretty cool bag.

Speaker 2 (13:55):
Yeah, plastic plastic is just like you cannot escape from me.

Speaker 3 (14:03):
Yes, class, I mean, look, plastic class not coming wrong, but.

Speaker 2 (14:06):
Like you and me like to knock download games, plastic
pasts they come in. But there's value to that as well.

Speaker 3 (14:15):
The problem is that most people are consuming plastic that
are not aware off.

Speaker 2 (14:18):
We're buying plastic as a container.

Speaker 3 (14:22):
Wait a second, I didn't realize my call on is
being covered in plastic.

Speaker 2 (14:26):
You think that that would like make your coal on better?
If you covered humans in plastic, you'd be.

Speaker 3 (14:30):
Strong bioplastics and need to come out with bioplastic. I'm
sure they will, like there already is plant.

Speaker 2 (14:35):
Best plastic, but it's still plastic corn. Yeah, well I
suppose plastic is just made from petroleum like anyway, right, Yeah, but.

Speaker 3 (14:44):
Sender's plastics plastics that are made from plants.

Speaker 2 (14:47):
How come you're able to make everything from plants? What
the foc is going on?

Speaker 3 (14:49):
Plastic class.

Speaker 2 (14:50):
I got the mince corn there the other day. Not great,
but like it's granding. Well, it made a chili and
it does taste like chili, but it absorbs the sauce
a bit too much. I needed to be a bit
more sloppy. Now, corn is my celium? Really? That makes
you go, I don't know. I I mixed all this
corn with spice, but I didn't have the celium like effects.

Speaker 3 (15:14):
No, not silium husky my celium as in mushrooms.

Speaker 2 (15:18):
Oh not my celium my celium. I get you.

Speaker 3 (15:23):
It's it's like shroom based.

Speaker 2 (15:26):
Yeah, fungus. Well that's all. And just see them big
mushroom burgers. Wash them down. You see that documentary where
the lads they're farmers and they were doing like horrible
chicken farms and ship and then they were just like,
I just grow mushrooms now and I get paid way
more to do that. Yeah, there's there's guys. I'm but
we all saw what happened in the Last of us,
and like everything is going to turn against us. We

(15:48):
are living way beyond our means we can't.

Speaker 3 (15:51):
Continue Last of Us on Netflix. Then it's gonna be
trans mushrooms zombies to make it like the ultimate final.

Speaker 2 (15:57):
Yeah, I'm going to be your dad.

Speaker 5 (15:59):
What wait what I of course listeners what it's all
in the themaphone, But no, I think, yeah, it's like
you can.

Speaker 3 (16:11):
There's a guy I know of who started, like you
just lived in regular ass. I was like, here's your
mind and he just started growing stuff hydropdically in one
of the rooms. Now it wasn't like weed or jazz
ciga rest ranting. He was literally grown like watercress and
super greens like all them little yeah, and now that's
his business and he literally he like the plants don't

(16:34):
say natural sunlight. He just grows them all inside and
they sell them to restaurants because like restaurants are.

Speaker 2 (16:39):
That's only then when you think about it, because in
Europe they're relatively good about nutritional stuff. You don't have
an FDA and all that, But in America it seems
like like never mind plastic, Like the boys aren't even
thinking about plastic over there. The draw on all sorts
of the chickens are injected with steroids and all that.

Speaker 3 (16:58):
Yeah, it's any difference, like I think, like, but Ireland
is a kind of a standout in general because.

Speaker 2 (17:04):
We have a very unique.

Speaker 3 (17:08):
Our agriculture and stuff is probably the best in the world.
I think, because I might Irish, I've stambled a lot
of the world.

Speaker 2 (17:17):
But if you go to like like a tiny little
village in Italy and you get a proper bit of
the man, is it like like it meat meat mate,
because they're right, yeah, meet and dairy. Speaking of Ireland
being standing outed, what do you think about Jim Gavin
drop it out of the presidential race because it turned

(17:38):
out he was a landlord who would give someone back
three grand got caught.

Speaker 3 (17:44):
There's no one that I really like in this selection.
We'll get on topics and we're just talking.

Speaker 2 (17:48):
I might not see what happened, but Connelly is gonna win. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (17:52):
I I don't mind cast Conny, but I think she's
a bit like naiveball.

Speaker 2 (17:58):
Yes, I thought I was.

Speaker 3 (18:01):
Playing basketballs for listeners. This is one of our presidential canda.
She's an Irish.

Speaker 2 (18:05):
Lady and she looks older than me.

Speaker 3 (18:09):
Mad and she played basketball football.

Speaker 2 (18:11):
That was a I was like swish. I was like
this is an AI probably doing so you're doing tot taps.

Speaker 3 (18:18):
I think she's probably the best represent representation of the
general Irish sort of attitude towards most things at the minutes,
and that's what the president really should be. But I
do think that she's kind of naive, I think to
come out and say what she did say about Germany
re arming.

Speaker 2 (18:35):
That was pretty that was that was certainly a take.

Speaker 3 (18:38):
So for our listeners, that are where she basically said
that like Germany is like gearing.

Speaker 2 (18:42):
Up like I would like taking out of contra.

Speaker 3 (18:46):
It wasn't what I was did you hear, because I.

Speaker 2 (18:48):
Didn't see that. I was hoping she said they're gearing up,
and she said it's like that, but it's in sort
of she didn't. Contrast to the fact that which would
make sense, she didn't.

Speaker 3 (18:59):
She's which is why, which is it was partially technical context,
but not in.

Speaker 2 (19:04):
That way, gotcha, not in a way that makes sense.

Speaker 3 (19:09):
But you can't like it's you can't. This is the thing.
And Mike Wallace and always at the same crack as well,
it's all well and good to be mister neutral and
say like, well, America is just as bad as Rushy
and all. They're doing this and they're doing that and all.
It's all well and good to say that in peace times,
for one, when there's relative global stability, that's fine and yeah,

(19:31):
but when there's a country on the European continent getting
bombed to fuck every day and people and innocents are
being lost, you have to pick a side. In my opinion,
you can't. And as well, Ireland plays this thing where
it acts neutral. We're not fucking neutral were we we're
neutral until it suits us and we play business with
the Americans and we play business with fucking the UK.

(19:52):
And whether we want to admit that or not, whatever,
but we benefit greatly from both of those countries. Yeah,
and also from the European Union.

Speaker 2 (19:59):
Yeah, but we're neutral because we don't like, we're not
gonna last very long in any kind of war. Yeah,
you know, we know where like we were not even neutral,
but we were never neutral, like even in World War
two we'd be keeping the Jerries to ourselves and the
English lads back home.

Speaker 3 (20:12):
You know, and American war plans Land and Channel. Yeah,
so we're not neutral like that, like you can't be.

Speaker 2 (20:17):
Neutral gas.

Speaker 3 (20:20):
My electric charge the lads, Yes, ure fill up there, lads,
go on, get in there where he is off the
bombing somewhere to at least you can't say you're neutral
and about to happen.

Speaker 2 (20:32):
So we're just think there's a reality to it as
well in that like you can't you probably can't go
to Mariicoa. Sorry we're neutral, we can they'll just fucking.

Speaker 3 (20:40):
Like, well you probably could, and they would land and
maybe Britain or France because the reality is, look, there's not.

Speaker 2 (20:46):
That we need to case diplomacy and nothing is nice
and clean and cutt and dried. No, yeah, right, but
I think we can't kind of say, listen, we are neutral,
but we lean more toward and obviously every fucking Western
country is gonna leave more towards Western like ideals in.

Speaker 3 (21:01):
The Ropini Union, like you can't chastise one of the
biggest members of the Ropean Union and say that they're
trying to rearm like that.

Speaker 2 (21:08):
You can't say, remember that thing they did eighty years ago,
they were at that again, Like.

Speaker 3 (21:12):
It's like, let's ignore this whole Russian thing here and
like chastise one of our gratitu.

Speaker 2 (21:18):
There's no evidence for Nazi reification in Geogardy. But yeah, no,
it's fucking crazy.

Speaker 3 (21:24):
You can't like and that's what I'm saying about.

Speaker 2 (21:26):
That's why I was hoping that she had just been
taken out of context. I just to be honest, I
don't have the capacity. I was getting too into all
the Trump and the rushing stuff, and I my level
of anxiety was just baseline and higher and I was like,
I can't really do this anymore.

Speaker 3 (21:42):
No, it's like it's it's it's just a very naive
thing of a politician to say you'd expect the from
ust or something more podcasters. Yeah, but like if you're
trying career politician your whole life. That's why politicians are
where they are, Like you're supposed to and I believe,
and not many people do. And I think this is
why the likes of people like Trump can now get

(22:02):
footed in is because I think everyone is disenfranchised with
politicians because they don't believe. I do believe that if
you're a career politician, it's not necessarily a bad thing
because you know, you have to there's a certain amount
of dicks you have to get there.

Speaker 2 (22:17):
You know, you know how it works. The thing is
the thing is you see a lot of people to
get to the top politics, they'll act like a shark
to get there, and then we assume they're just going
to stop at a shark when they get there, but
they won't like like we're saying with your man, Jim Gavin,
imagine that you're a landlord. You're probably making some decent money.
A man upfronts you, so credits his rent account if

(22:37):
you like, by three thousand euro and then leaves. Yeah,
you'd be you'd be able to take the deposit back
or whatever. That's fair. But to keep someone's money that
they gave you as someone who it would seem does
not need that money so much so that they're able
to rent out a different property, Like how can that?
How can you have those morals and lead a country

(22:59):
in the time of the housings? Like the entire right
thing to do is drop out. But the other thing
is that's fucking but that's the whole fucking political party.
Like find someone from that party that doesn't have a
fun that that isn't so letts like I always have been.

Speaker 3 (23:15):
That's it was kind of funny for a time, like
I was almost endaring and Irish culture. You were like, yeah,
jobs boys, but like it's you know, we're past that
that we need we need well, I think, to be honest,
I think we need a kind of a remodeling of
our political parties in general.

Speaker 2 (23:32):
But you see the problem is, you get now, I
don't think a lot of Connor McGregor was ever going
to get there, but you get if it wasn't Connor,
but it was someone else who didn't have maybe as
many skeletons as the closet that you can see how
that may have come through. And I think that that's happening,
and that's why you know, you're getting a lot of
right wing politicians coming in. People are totally disenfranchised with

(23:55):
what's been in power to this point.

Speaker 3 (23:57):
No, you're right, like, look, we all want change, We
all on a bit of a a regic in general.

Speaker 2 (24:04):
Across the world.

Speaker 3 (24:05):
I think, I mean probably when we zoom out in
fifteen to twenty years, this will just be a bad
time overall anyway globally. And there's a lot of reasons
I play for that, and I think actually a lot
of them are just out of our hands, a lot
of them. If you're in a smaller country, I think
through out with that country's hands. And it's not an
excuse or anything, but I just think that there's bigger
things that play a bigger pieces being moved that we

(24:27):
can't really as we have to do is hang on
like a fucking olympus onto the tanker and.

Speaker 2 (24:32):
Everything is in decline and they're going to be these
mad shifts over next in a recession, you know, we're
probably we're on the way. And look that's the way
it goes, you go into recessions.

Speaker 3 (24:40):
We've done, We've done, We've done them already, We've done
plenty of We've one COVID, We've on fucking all of them,
fucking small, fucking storms, fucking Ophelia.

Speaker 2 (24:49):
Who's We're done all?

Speaker 3 (24:51):
Sure, We just we've lived at a fairly gold done
a fairly bad thing.

Speaker 2 (24:55):
And just the house pay or whatever away you can go.

Speaker 6 (25:01):
We can't go holidays anymore, but we're a week rent.
We're also hours anymore. Also not that hard up eiter.
So I've been to Japan twice and twelve months and
you've been on about fourteen holidays as well, So.

Speaker 2 (25:14):
It's it's no, but now I'm paying the price, literally
literally in my bank account is looking at me like
it's it's drank out of too many plastic bottles, Like
my bank account is fucked. I'm trying to explain, like
you're like, oh, we need to just like not spend
money for all, blah blah blah blah. And then like
you know, just the next thing, Oh I got this.
I was like, oh you should do that, but you

(25:35):
get hit like you know, like we just dropped nearly
half a grand on Oilfully that will get us through
the winter. Maybe not, but yeah, it's just it's relentless.

Speaker 3 (25:44):
Just I'm below the poverty technically it's mac red.

Speaker 2 (25:49):
You're technically be low. Yeah, popular yourself, so myself, that's
how I will do yourself. Yeah, but look at you,
you're rich.

Speaker 3 (26:00):
I'm rich in micro plastics.

Speaker 2 (26:02):
Definitely rich in microplastics, micro transactions as well.

Speaker 3 (26:07):
So that's the crack, you know. But anyway, listen, we're
we won't do it in trus We're here too long. Yeah,
shout out to our new patron, Evan Brandt. Thank you
very much. I'm now a little bit below, probably probably
lying saw.

Speaker 2 (26:19):
CROs to the poverty line. He's working his way, big jar,
that's not.

Speaker 3 (26:26):
Big Joe is it it's someone called all Right.

Speaker 2 (26:30):
I don't think it's our big Joe that we messed
that time on the mountain lads. Joe here, long time listener.
First passed on to your podcast by my brother Paul.
We love the podcast and I believe my brother went
to your live show. He did before. I sall Paul, mhmm.
He was tall. I think tall, Paul. I think he was.
There was missus Yeah, I think I remember Paul play Paul.

(26:55):
We're based up around the British Bay area, so if
you are ever around, would love to meet up for
a pint or to or vice varsaa. We're near your neck.
I've got to Wicklow for a point. Yeah yeah, buy
me pines poverty line he Robb is below poverty lines
to have to buy fights until we ourselves are are
just hitting the poverty line that they would call it quids. Anyway,

(27:16):
I've been meaning to write in for Oil about something
that you might find interesting. It's a story that our
mom told us about from when she was growing up.
For reference, she's not religious whatsoever, and it's probably an
atheist if anything. She grew up in a very old
farmhouse at least one hundred and fifty years old, if
I can remember correctly. The house was previously a tenant
house during the famine until my mom's grandfather, who came

(27:38):
from Bulgaria, started a family here with my mom's grandmother,
an Irish woman. There's a fucking story.

Speaker 3 (27:44):
I wonder how you got on from Bulgaria all the
way back then, Ireland is full. They must have been
the first immigrant in Ireland's from the area.

Speaker 2 (27:53):
Yeah, yeah, i'd say you got a few looks, all right,
yeah back then, yeah, very much so. Yeah, I'd say
it's good, bigs. There's a good story there. I'd like
to know more about this, tell us Joe. When my
mom was growing up, her and her five other siblings
were always aware of an eerie presence within the house,
the Bulgarian the Mulgarian ghouls. Small things would happen, such

(28:13):
as your usual creak and bump during the night one
you know. Over time, they all grew used to these
things and didn't think much of it. My mom's parents
would openly tell the kids that there was a friendly
ghost in the house who would do them no harm.
My mom's uncle, who also lived in the house and
worked on the farm, had seen a spiritual presence a
few times during the night on getting up to you
as the bathroom. Again. It never caused any harm, but

(28:34):
it made him research the house a bit more in
its history. Upon doing this, he discovered that a little
girl had drowned in an open well during the famine
period just outside of the house cliche I know. He
also discovered that another old house that was on their
land was burned down years ago, killing all the occupants.
One day, my mom was cycling home from school as normal,

(28:56):
and she passed an old man who was a nearby
neighbor on the road who she would regularly see on
her cycle home. She gave him a wave and carried
on her cycle as normal and thought nothing of it.
Once she arrived home, her parents told her that the
very same old man she had seen as clear as
day had actually passed away earlier that morning. My mom
couldn't believe it, as she had literally just cycled past

(29:18):
him and they had acknowledged each other. To this day,
my mom still swears by that it was actually the
same man and can't explain how she had seen him again.
To reiterate, she's not religious at all, but he's one
hundred percent certain it was the same guy. I know
you've had a few stories about this type of thing before.
Maybe the man was crossing through to whatever is on
the other side. Anyway, just a few more things about

(29:41):
the house my mom grew up in. Over the years,
all the grandkids would have slept over at certain stages.
My own personal experience, although never seen anything, I would
always feel like there was a presence in the house.
I was the youngest of my brothers, so I would
be sent up to bed first and would absolutely shit
myself for the hour, for the half hour whilst waiting

(30:01):
the next brother to be sent up to bed. Even
walking up the spars, you could always send something right
behind you. There's one room in particular where we have
all slept in at some stage that is especially spooky.
One of my youngest cousins was a baby at the time,
and every time she slept in the room, she would
wake up in the middle of the night and my

(30:21):
auntie would witness her talking to her friend. Nobody was there,
of course, but she would be yapping away to her
invisible friend. Maybe it was the little girl who drowned
in the well all those years ago. My auntie refuses
to sleep in that room to this day whenever she visits.
To be honest, I would want thousand percent not stay
in that house again by myself. But I am a

(30:42):
bit of a bitch when it comes to these things.
That's the transagenda anyway, Lads, that probably wasn't worded the
best and it definitely sounds scarier in person rather than email.
But I know youse are short on right ends of
the moment, so feel free to use it for a minifolds.
They're big Joe fucking representing play to you, he says,

(31:02):
don't use it if you think it's shy. I didn't
think it was a show. I thought it was amazing. Still
meet us for a pint in the future, sage, or
even on one of your hikes. Keep up the good
work and I'll be sticking you is on my next
airling is flight. Look, Joe, we.

Speaker 3 (31:14):
Got Peddy or every time someone says on the podcast
as well.

Speaker 2 (31:17):
If we did nearly think it would be over the poverty.
Probably never her with that. You've been an underdog all
your life.

Speaker 3 (31:29):
Yeah, I'm okay with that, and it'll be well over.
That's I will have a moment to shine at some point,
probably the apocalypse.

Speaker 2 (31:43):
I've had years of this life. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (31:47):
No, that's a spooky story right there. We have had
similar stories. We had actually have a one I can
share that's quite spooky. Actually, cares Andy passed away my
partners last week and there was her name is Margaret,
and her the night she passed. It would have been

(32:11):
her like nephew in law. I think, yeah, it's probably
the best put that him and his partner were like
chilling out in their house or whatever, getting ready for
bed or something. I think he remembered that he had
to do something on the computer before he went to bed,
and he turned on the computer. Now this is the
night that Margaret passed. Yeah, first thing when he turned

(32:35):
on or opened up Chrome or whatever on the computer,
and I've seen the screenshot is with a time stamp
and everything. The first thing that pop upon the screen
was in mad letters was are you there God, it's
me Margaret.

Speaker 6 (32:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (32:50):
And so that's the name of a film that came
out in twenty twenty three.

Speaker 2 (32:53):
And it was on like MSN or like how it
was up.

Speaker 3 (32:56):
On like Chrome browser. Like when he opened Chrome browser,
this was like what popped up in front of them,
and it.

Speaker 2 (33:05):
Would have been nice if it was like I am here, yeah, Margaret.

Speaker 3 (33:09):
And that's the and that was he put a screen
shot in and everything.

Speaker 2 (33:14):
But like that's weird. Yeah, like that's really weird.

Speaker 3 (33:17):
That's like that synchronicity, but in an unusual way where
like you're kind.

Speaker 2 (33:22):
Of like a like had someone been looking at that.

Speaker 3 (33:27):
Or like I don't I can't remember like whether he
was you know, whether he had had some tab of
him for like a cinema or something. I don't know,
but like whatever way it was when it came back on,
that was what was there, like and I think it
was like a thing where what would be the best
way to say not that it like popped up unexpectedly
in the sense of like you know, the tab just

(33:49):
changed to it, like he must have been on something
prior to it.

Speaker 2 (33:52):
But it was just a weird. And that would have
been the night that she passed away.

Speaker 3 (33:56):
So that's a really strange synchronicity.

Speaker 2 (33:59):
Twenty Family Comedy, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (34:04):
Very strange, really unusual synchronicity.

Speaker 2 (34:07):
Is that is that like based on an old book
or something could be or I.

Speaker 1 (34:10):
Don't crypt a crypt.

Speaker 2 (34:23):
Yeah, that's that's the word. Jesus. Yeah, yeah, are you there, God,
it's me.

Speaker 3 (34:30):
That Yeah, Yeah, that was As a matter of fact,
it's funny because it kind of comes from indirectly through me,
I suppose. But it's one of the sort of more
concrete ones that I think I've heard or of saying that.

Speaker 2 (34:43):
I'm like, where the book was. It came out in
nineteen seventy. Yeah, controversial for its frank talk about sexuality
and it's skepticism of organized religion. Would you been a
religious woman? Yeah, Ish Ish, like most Irish people. H Yeah.

Speaker 3 (35:03):
I think it was interesting that that happened. I think
we've probably toyed with the idea before of the potential
for people. Maybe we haven't actually, because as I'm saying,
I'm like, this is the first time I've said this,
but people in the afterlife, after ismam being able to
communicate also via the means of a synchronicity.

Speaker 2 (35:27):
So you see, there's something that's.

Speaker 3 (35:29):
Like a little sign very inconsequential to what might appear
to be inconsequential or hired to solve or whatever.

Speaker 2 (35:37):
Yeah, And we've talked about this, I know, with my
grandfather who died and blah blah blah, and my aunt
as well. But it's funny. There was a little article
today that I just read very briefly, so I'm going
to get all the science wrong, but basically on a
quantum monstercles. Yeah, so we're going to get everything wrong,

(35:58):
Kathain Connelly. Actually never, we got it completely wrong. That
was Chris Christophers. No, it's something to do with quantum
physics and particles and how moving. I can't remember how
they've come to the conclusion, but basically it comes to
the idea that doing something in the present can change

(36:19):
the past. So right, could for example, the fact that
that that that she passed away, whether I've altered something
tiny that made in the past, I don't know. I'm
totally fucking talking out of my here. But there's some
articles worth looking into about quantum physics and can future

(36:40):
actions affect the past. We'll covered at some point. I
literally just glanced over an article today on.

Speaker 3 (36:47):
It speaking of quantum and things. Did you ever see
the Flash movie the new one?

Speaker 2 (36:54):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (36:54):
Yeah, that it's that saying for real sort of Michael
Kean's Batman Rey crashes spaceship or whatever is that rail?
I've seen that today. What happens Michael Keaton and that
for a minute, like for a cameo. He's in that
for a long time. Yeah, yeah, say like crash into
a spaceship or something at the end, or like he
does like a kind of comic as he where he
flies down into like they're like having some battle.

Speaker 2 (37:18):
I think he might use the bat wing to do so.
I can't I can't fully remember to be honest, that
I saw it once. Did you know this is a
spoiler case you haven't seen it. It's not great. Do
you know what they're doing it? There's a there's a
Kevin Smith talk he got on TV's like Evening Harder

(37:39):
or something like that with Kevin Smith, and he had
written a Superman script. I think it was called Superman
Reborn or return not Returns. They made that one. I
can't remember, but anyway, thirty was that Nicholas Cage was
gonna play Superman in its right. There's loads there's loads
of footage and video. I remember saying, right, yeah, there
was a part in that where super Man was going

(38:00):
to fight like a giant cosmic spider. And the whole
thing of the story of Kevin Smith's story is that
the same guy who was producing that Superman movie, went
down to produce Wild Wild West, and as we all know,
there is a giant mechanical spider at the end of
Wild West, right, So there's the true line, and it's
kind of he he does it in a much more
jokey long way, but in the flash it's that multiverse idea.

(38:25):
So there is a scene that shows Nicholas Cage as
Superman fighting a giant cosmic spider, which is absolutely baffling
to anybody who hasn't watched this Niche Kevin Smith, so.

Speaker 3 (38:39):
Like there's probably a nod to him.

Speaker 2 (38:40):
Then it's a total nod, but it's just from like
I thought it was real fun because I kind of
was in on the joke. But if I was just
a guy going to see a movie, I'd be like,
what the fuck is happening because it makes no sense.
It's a ten second bit of movie and you're just going,
why why does a fella be this that looks like
Nicholas Cage a Superman fighting a spider for no reason?

(39:02):
And now it's gone and I don't know what's happening.

Speaker 3 (39:04):
Fans harvests for the tarbon artists.

Speaker 2 (39:06):
Fancive, but again like probably would have been good to
leave it out.

Speaker 3 (39:10):
Of the probably is I don't think that would have
taken that. I would have made that.

Speaker 2 (39:16):
It looks to be fair. That is a salient point,
that is, in fact, that probably made the movie better.
Just stop all this, I think they are. I think
I watched it. I watched fantastic, Last Quatros fantastic, just
just what you'd expect, you see. I think as well,
I think this is part of the problem. And all
these flicks is like the.

Speaker 3 (39:38):
Cast and all the constant are in everything, so like
you're like fucking read Richards, like what's his name, Heedro,
Like I've seen Pedro play one hundred and one characters.
Now it's like I don't need to see him. Give
someone else read.

Speaker 2 (39:51):
See how people like turn it around. So like initially
he was what the red viber and I was like
this guy who is exactly and then everyone's like, oh,
he's getting He's getting up and up and up and
open up. And now it's like Pedro fascal, you have
to hold hands anxiety. It's not even that's that's things.
I'm again, these are the militant people. Obviously, they aren't
representative of of of regular film.

Speaker 3 (40:13):
It's not even for Pedro. Pascal liked, well, I'm looking
at it. It's just like, we have a real problem
in TV and cinema right now with over oversaturation, rehashing
of franchises, rehashing the stories, recycling the same ship. What
will make it worse? Casting the same constant and everything else.
But it's like homoginizing.

Speaker 2 (40:32):
They're going from there, going from like the OSCOO thing,
where like if you have a start that's like bankable,
like Pedro is a pretty bank but it's yeah, you're
totally right now. If you watch that movie Sinners, I
don't know to what extent that made its money back
and blah blah blah. But that's a badass movie that
is completely original, you know, and it's great.

Speaker 3 (40:53):
And it's sorry nons.

Speaker 2 (40:57):
No, it's not even full of nns, but it's an
original movie. So like Michael b. Jordan's plays two characters
in it. That's so bad. That's how bad they're like, actually,
this is a new movie where Michael b Jordan plays
everybody in the movie Zombie Apartments. Everyone every zombie is Spascal.

(41:19):
But like it they it works. Well, it's kind of
cool thing when you see you know people who are
so he plays two characters that are twins but like
have their own personalities. So it's done quite well. But it's
a very good movie. I think that's it. I think
it's just risk. You know, yeah it is, but it's
it's if you make it go to risk. It doesn't
matter anymore because AI can make any movie very soon

(41:41):
and it's not gonna matter. Nothing is gonna matter. No
one's gonna care. We're all gonna be full of plastic
watching anything our minds can conjure up.

Speaker 3 (41:49):
Yeah, I don't think we're really truly ready for how
much he's got to change.

Speaker 2 (41:54):
We're about to be rotted.

Speaker 3 (41:56):
I censure that video of to park walk around Cuba terrifying, terrific.

Speaker 2 (42:00):
I sent you that video of Stephen Hawking going off
the cell and putting the guide to a table his return.
That took me a second because when I looked at that,
I was like, I was like, this looks like that
looked really real. But it's always the same camera. That's
the only way you can get it right now is
they haven't perfected the movement of the camera. I saw

(42:23):
a really good one for Resident Evil where it was
an animated movie, and it looked as good as any
animated movie. Animation has cooked. First. Oh yeah, animation, and
that's been cooking for years. That's been on the boiler
for years.

Speaker 3 (42:36):
Real stuff is getting there, Like like that video that
two back videos for listeners, I haven't seen it. It's
basically like a joke for the obviously, Tupac is like
taking a sales video walking down the street thing and
take talk or something. He's like, ah, he's all tal
he was dead, I mean Cuba chilling her and all that,
and like it's in his voice.

Speaker 2 (42:52):
Cameo by Elvis Presley also looks very good.

Speaker 3 (42:55):
I think the best way of putting that is, if
you've seen that video fifteen years ago, you'd be like
two still life in Cuba. Yeah, like if you're saying
that like around you know, two thousand, like oh that's real.

Speaker 2 (43:10):
But sure we were thinking the hologram, like.

Speaker 3 (43:12):
Yeah, if you took a snip, like if you literally
just snipped four second part of us and went this
is like fucking footage, like he made a look all
shitty and all like, you would literally be jooped.

Speaker 2 (43:24):
Back then.

Speaker 3 (43:25):
You would have been jumped straight away because we wouldn't
have known AI existed, But how.

Speaker 2 (43:29):
Fucked everyone else everyone is now with the like like
the algorithms driving people left right up and down. Like
this is before AI really comes into its own. So like,
what is going to happen when you don't know the
difference between that's real and what's not. You'll need like
a water mark or something to to know, Like we'll
have to have some sort of legislation.

Speaker 3 (43:52):
Watermarks content, or we'll have to go back to like
the old fucking like town crier days where you literally
everyone has to be there in persons of validate that
something happened. Like there'll be designated people that'll be like
these are validators. These are people that actually go on
report and they'd probably have multi camera angle and stuff
from all that kind of thing.

Speaker 2 (44:12):
I just I just had a thought there, like soon
with AI, you're probably if you're working remotely and you
have teams, Oh yeah, you probably just put your avatar
that that's a matter of time. Yeah yeah, class Like
it's just.

Speaker 3 (44:28):
I see in one of the lads actually a friend
of mine owns the barbershop, Mick who's caught me hair
and he was like, I'll show you this now, this
is Mike the barber, doesn't it doesn't make me?

Speaker 2 (44:38):
Yeah, he was like, check this out.

Speaker 3 (44:40):
He had a picture of him when he started his
hair dressing place in nineteen eighty something. I think he
set that up in the late eighties, maybe even earlier.
And he had a picture of him from then and
a picture from him like two years ago in the shop,

(45:00):
and he made an AI video of him then and
him now just holding each other, each other, interacting with
each other and like on on our class, and you're
just like, right, okay, well if the lads in the
hair dressers are able to make that kind of video
that good and like it looked pretty good, Like it
looked like they bought animated and the other like what

(45:20):
that fuck? Like we're not far off, just really bad ship.

Speaker 2 (45:26):
I was reading somewhere like the weight of data. Yeah,
over time, it's just going to like especially the way
it's grown now in the server farms and everything that
you need because AI is massive energy absorbing, right, So
like the weight of data is just going to fuck yourself.

Speaker 3 (45:42):
Well that's what the Alman fellow wants. He he has
proposed like but he needs trillions. But I think that's
what he's after. But he wants basically a redesign of
the infrastructure to accommodate AI. Yeah, so that everything is
it is basically like the fiber network was to broadband.
He wants like something equivalent for AI. I don't know
how to handle her detirement, but like he wants something

(46:06):
that will enhance the efficiency of AI and prioritize the
use of AI. But AI is very good, Like it's
getting to a point where it would probably be in
the next five years the front line for like doctors
and things like GPS.

Speaker 2 (46:22):
Like, well, I tell you one thing, trying to get
a fucking GP. Yeah, that's what I was. I rang
my general practitioner. No, I rang, and I was like, here,
she like me and Pearl have been living her two
years and we were semi problem so she's never really
needed to have a doctor down here for the last
number of months. Basically was always a Dublin or whatever.

(46:44):
And I rang, and I was like, Okay, I'm just
ringing for my wife, blah blah. And they were like, no,
we're not taking patients. And I was like, okay, so
what do you tell him she's pregnant? What do I do.
That's how people do it, just like she's pregnant. Yeah,
and then and then she goes down there so like
a old but you know, worried about the baby. People
doing that sense forever. No, yeah, but I think, well,

(47:07):
I was going to go to Grogan's Road. They have
a list of doctors. But it's insane that, like the
doctrine was like, we're not taking.

Speaker 3 (47:13):
People well watching it out time. It's kind of have
a written rejection letter and no, well the mic at
but you need a couple of rejection letters anyway to
get a point to the GB.

Speaker 2 (47:24):
Yeah, because your one was telling me. I rang, was
like what am I supposed to do? And like I
wasn't getting no people. It was just like what.

Speaker 6 (47:29):
Cracking was like if she's a doctor, you're a nice guy.

Speaker 2 (47:38):
But yeah, and like she was just like, oh yeah,
you just go to A and E or ring the
care doc after six because they're on an emergency and
they just have to what the fuck is going on
in our health care system? Like this is insanity, not
it's a jock jockdown. But now I think to get
back to hey, I we're done. We're up to him.

(48:00):
But the GP, for example, I'll tell you how I
use AI. So I have a sleep apnea, as I've
talked about on the podcast before, and I use a
SEATPAP machine for that, So basically a breathing apparatus in
my sleeps crack and lately, like in the last so
probably like the last couple of months, I've been taken
off the mask in me sleep after about two hours,

(48:23):
and I've been wondering, why the fuck am I doing that? Like,
and I was annoying me.

Speaker 3 (48:26):
I'm like, is it the pressure on the machine, is
it the mat, you know whatever?

Speaker 2 (48:29):
Whatever.

Speaker 3 (48:30):
So the sea perhaps all record their data on an
SD card, So and you can put your logs through
a program called OSCAR, which interprets your data and tells
you guse your graphs and tells you all the medical
stuff that you know.

Speaker 2 (48:42):
Your sleep doctor will have run that through the AIA.

Speaker 3 (48:44):
Why actually the whole thing provides real time graphs, provides
the graphs of all the usage and then was able
to tell me what it's more than likely. It was like,
it's more than likely a comfort thing based on when
you're taking it off and the like. It was able
to look into all the patterns and it was like
looking at the trends and everything, and it took like,
you know, five minutes for to do that. And it

(49:05):
was even like, you know, if you can provide me
this extra bit, yeah, this extra bit because like I
told it, like when I opened up the instance, I
was like, you're a sleep doctor. I needed to research
any papers that will help you in the efficiency of
looking at my files or whatever. And then it went
off and I researched all the stuff and I was like, yeah,
grand firing, what you wanted to be their boss? And

(49:27):
then I trowed in and yeah, it was brilliant, really good,
and like it gives you print outs if you want them.

Speaker 2 (49:33):
It gives you all sorts of stuff.

Speaker 3 (49:34):
But so what I'm saying is like they will be
the front line for GPS.

Speaker 2 (49:38):
It'll probably be able to eliminate ninety percent of the
queries based on X, Y, and Z, and then it's
only ten percent that you'll need to which is fantastic.

Speaker 3 (49:46):
Like a GP on the phone, like like you'll probably
log into a web portal fairly soon describe test has
already doing this where you describe your symptoms we have
and yeah.

Speaker 2 (49:54):
I will interpret it and look at it.

Speaker 3 (49:56):
And based on your medical history, based on your interactions
with a doctor, they were able to have a more
informed opinion as well of like Okay, well it's not
this because he's had this screening recently, or it's not that,
and you know it'll be able to do it as
a far front line, a first line.

Speaker 2 (50:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (50:14):
So it's crazy, man, But like I think, I really
do think, like it's already happening, but I think across
the board we're going to get bummed by AI. And
I don't know whether we have solid backup plans for
like the.

Speaker 2 (50:28):
Sort of people who are going to be unemployed.

Speaker 3 (50:30):
Yeah, for the displacement of people, unless we kind of
do a people first thing. But we want because.

Speaker 2 (50:38):
Yeah, and it's ALI. It's going to be a lot
of tech bros that run the world and they're like
this is yours because you never learned out to code.
Even corners are like fucking now, but it's all done.
There's nothing they're like.

Speaker 3 (50:52):
The they're like the fucking turkeys clapping for Christmas, like
they're they're they're now all using Like I have a
lot of friends in coding and they're all using AI
to do recording now, Like so it's like that's you
know what.

Speaker 2 (51:05):
I mean, you're just doing yourself out of it.

Speaker 3 (51:07):
But no one can stand up to say the CEOs
of a company and go, we don't want their staff
to use AI because we're worried about the implications that
will have long term months in terms of hiring season.

Speaker 2 (51:17):
We're probably coming it's, as you said, late stage capitalism.
We're at the end of capitalism working anymore properly in
terms of every And the other side of it is, yeah,
you might have these you know, big tech bros that,
but like no one is there to buy anything from
them now. Only you will cease to mean anything if
only four people have it.

Speaker 3 (51:36):
We're getting to that point again. Like it's like we've
had rampant inflection across.

Speaker 2 (51:39):
The globe and most people were.

Speaker 3 (51:42):
In for another fucking yeah yeah, and most people now
it's starting to get the point that the property market's
cooling down. Their houses for sale for fucking a month
and a half here, like and they would have been
literally in the same street we're gone in a week,
so we're looking at there they've been sitting. People don't
have money, so like this is this is what's common.

Speaker 2 (52:01):
They said the average. I read someone the other day.
I don't know if this is to what IX sent
it's true, but I said, the average earning of someone
who buys a house in Dublin is like eighty nine
grand a year. Yeah, Like, who the fuck is making
eighty nine grand?

Speaker 3 (52:15):
Like the problem is in Ireland at least then I
don't know how it is globbly, but we have this
kind of false middle class that's been propped up by
American companies. And if that, if America were to pull
out those companies, or.

Speaker 2 (52:29):
It seems to be quite popular an American president right now.

Speaker 3 (52:32):
Or if AI was to take a lot of those jobs,
then a vast proportion of our middle class who are
dolls that have a lot of credit, they have like
a lot of money in the system, Like if they
can't afford these things anymore, you're hitting a different kind
of a recession where stray.

Speaker 2 (52:50):
Like we're saying universal banking, basic income, which is actually
being used. I didn't realize this in Irish society now.
So there's a grant for artists, there is a branch
and they and no it's not a huge amount of money.
It's three hundred and fifty a week.

Speaker 3 (53:03):
Or I've looked into it because I'm probably actually a
prime candidate for that. But Ireland, again being sort of
behind on the times, are it's like fucking you know,
do you do an exhibition once a year or something?
You know what I mean, It's like this kind of
crap like, but no, it is. That's a great idea

(53:24):
because there are plenty of people with things to offer
a society that aren't monetarily valuable anymore. So you do
have to get to a point and say, well, okay,
I'll give you an example, right, so say we have
or in America or whatever. I don't know, I'm just
going to pull an example out of my urse. Let's
say there's a lad in America who preserves American Civil

(53:46):
War memorabilia and he preserves the guns and the history
and all of that stuff.

Speaker 2 (53:52):
Just Confederate stuff. Yeah, just Confederate stuff. It has lots
of cool flegs. Now, I would you be interested it
didn't want the slavery but no, no, no, man Kinnard.

Speaker 3 (54:04):
I don't know home Alabama, but that's his that's his thing.

Speaker 2 (54:11):
That's what he does.

Speaker 3 (54:12):
Now that's of value to a society because he's preserving
he's preserving the history, and he's also keeping let's say
he's I don't know, machining fucking barrels and making the
old bullets and stuff like that that doesn't get done anymore,
things that will get lost if there aren't a couple
of people down that's valuable, so that those people should
be paid. So like all of this kind of stuff

(54:34):
are and to get a bit more broad like people
that do maybe kind of any of that kind of
historical teaching stuff that's in my opinion.

Speaker 2 (54:44):
That should always be valued.

Speaker 3 (54:45):
And by the way, rest in peace man con Wagon
actually speaking about history and preserving folk larantines. But like, yeah,
I think we need to get to a point where
we look at things a bit more abstractly in how
people offer things to.

Speaker 2 (54:59):
People abstract it's about like, well, like you sorry, you
are right, we do need to look at things more abstractly.
But I think it's more so you need to look
at what's coming down on the Bible and go all right, well,
obviously we can't just have ninety percent of the country
like the famine. So you need to figure out the
way the tax system is working and how you can
put through a system which would give which would meet

(55:21):
people's basic needs. And after the basic needs, then it's like,
all right, well you need to figure out, you know,
how to make how to top yourself up. And I'm
sure there would be ways and means. There were lots
of opportunity to open even if you're just selling bits
and pieces down the town or whatever it is. But again,
you know, they talk about like taxing the rich and
all this sort of shit, like, but you you have like,

(55:43):
if things keep going the way they're going, there is
no answer to this that doesn't involve taxing the rich
at a level of the million or the billions where
you start to take recoup a large percentage of what
they are and at that time, like that, that whole.

Speaker 3 (56:01):
Idea of taxing the rich is kind of almost the
pipe train because oh yeah.

Speaker 2 (56:05):
Because they're financial advisors, will go move to No, you're
absolutely right, and but at the same time, how else
do we how can we make how can we take
care of people? Then it's just like a bigger rature
event where loads of people do you because they can't
afford ship?

Speaker 3 (56:19):
Yeah, well, I suppose you know, it's very hard to
actually analyze what we do and don't need because we
were basically products of what we grew up in, which
is basically a kind of a capitalist idea where we
need to buy and there's.

Speaker 2 (56:31):
All this I was the thing, you'll own nothing and
you'll enjoy it.

Speaker 3 (56:34):
That's like we're trained to be kind of subservent and
also to need things from from the system. And there's
nothing wrong with that because you don't need stuff from
the system and it's convenient and it says your time.
As we talked about earlier, talking about if you if
you if you lived off grade and you had a
fucking farm, that's your job, Like, yeah, you know, that's
your life.

Speaker 2 (56:51):
Think of all, Like what let's say people start losing
stuff no one has any money. When you don't have
any money and there's no opportunity for you to make
any money or to have any kind of a safety net,
what will happen is lawlessness because it's not gonna like
you're not going to care. They don't have the prison
infrastructure anyways, even lock you up, so now you can
just take from the people that have with very little. Yeah,

(57:16):
so like and all and like again, I think a
little bit ahead to kind of go right, well, what
what what do we put in place, because what they say,
the biggest predictor of crime is inequity. So if you
can remove if everyone has access to energy, so basically
energy in terms of like you know, you can eat,
your house, you can eat, blah blah blah. If we

(57:36):
can make sure that that stuff is there, you'll be
in situations where you're not going to have as much issues.
But then there has to be an avenue to make more.
It's just it's a fucked up thing when like there's
like four lads that have half the wealth of an
entire country, Like that's fucked It actually is off grade.

Speaker 3 (57:53):
Constant's just like, yeah, maybe life is a bit more
simple than what you think.

Speaker 2 (57:56):
We're probably headed that way whether.

Speaker 3 (57:58):
We watch him and yeah maybe Like I was watching
one guy in the States. I don't know what stay
he was in. He could see Mount sent Alan anyway,
I think, so I don't know where he was, but
really old gezer, but this YouTuber came and visited him
and like he lived on this fucking class house right
beside the river, and his day was like you know,

(58:20):
his house was heated off a fucking AGAs or the
Stanley cooker where he chopped his onwoard. He put that
in the fucking thing that he hated, the water that
he hated, the house that allowed him to cook. It
was like a back boiler, but just with a simple ship.
Like he got his water from the stream next to him.
He had a hydro electric setup if you needed and
you're like, you're like, really okay, right, so you have that,

(58:43):
you have a roof over your head, you've got heat.
And then like guys like him then would for work
like he would sell fucking firewood. And he doesn't need
much too, You.

Speaker 2 (58:55):
Just need enough to be And then you go into
a second hand shop by a few books.

Speaker 3 (58:58):
Or whatever, a huge ivory fucking he had loads of
like books and ship and you're kind of going, like
when you watch dudes like that, you're like, that's really
all it should be, to be fair and as long
as you're content.

Speaker 2 (59:10):
But if you put us into that situation, we'd be
like train spot and coming off a gag because you
would have to like all the mental addictions that you
have to yeah, like it would take a while to
come in to come down off it. But I'd imagine
if you just like to be fair to humans, we
adapt relatively quick. Just take away that ship, then we
would just learn the other ways. Would we be happier?

(59:33):
I don't know. I mean I think you might might.

Speaker 3 (59:35):
Probably is me, yes, but you know, think about it
in the in the worlds, like if you're in the
woods every dy, you're not worried about Pokemon or not,
like you know what I mean, or like street Fighter you're.

Speaker 2 (59:46):
Worried about anything. But just like I have to eat,
I'd say you would be happier.

Speaker 3 (59:49):
There's a lot of tranquility, Like you're probably just sitting
there fucking reflecting, like you'd have a lot more time
for reflect that.

Speaker 2 (59:55):
It'd be tricky though, if you weren't raised into it,
or if you didn't, like you know, if you just
you were me, if you were adults, No I start reflecting. No, no, no,
I disagree. I feel that.

Speaker 3 (01:00:05):
Yeah, Netra, I usually feel fairly tranquil like I don't
really feel any kind of I don't feel adult.

Speaker 2 (01:00:11):
Really, I would be curious. I would be curious about
like when boredom would creep in or what would happen
They don't get me wrong. It sounds a lick and
I like the idea of it. I'm playing Devil's advocate
to a certain extent, but you.

Speaker 3 (01:00:23):
Could play Devil's advocate and say that on the way
that all the words that we distract ourselves, but the
way we live now is to distract ourselves because of the.

Speaker 2 (01:00:32):
Irony that if we moved into that kind of a lifestyle.
They were talking about the tech bros have nothing if
everyone was like, which is and it seems like, I mean,
if you ever look at the size of the Amazon,
like I flew over the counter a few few months ago.

Speaker 3 (01:00:46):
And you get Amazon positions all the time, some position, Yeah, yeah,
who's who's.

Speaker 2 (01:00:51):
Taking the cock? What way is this happening? I read
als comments. He was like, I'm listening to this new episode.
There's a lot on it here. I haven't actually listened
back to it, but I know by the end of it.
It was just after rails Well, I said the world
to the end off too many. Remember I said, the
closer the closer.

Speaker 3 (01:01:11):
There, the world will burn.

Speaker 2 (01:01:14):
You know, it's obviously a joke, but obviously yeah, I
would have had to leave the podcast. That was like
a real thing you were saying. I'm like, and I
would have just been like, yeah. In Germany, they get
so many weapons remind you of nineteen thirty nine. Yeah,
I don't know, man, but it is it is irony,
isn't it that the way that things going might push

(01:01:37):
us into that way of life which effectively just cuts
off the tech bros money.

Speaker 3 (01:01:41):
Yeah, because like I mean, you know, if you have
to wake up and you're like, right, it's a lot
more job best when you're doing a sort of an
off grade setup where you have your own little jobs
and they're very like sort of personal and reletive relevant
to what you're doing.

Speaker 2 (01:01:55):
I suppose under like.

Speaker 3 (01:01:57):
Tied in with your quality of.

Speaker 2 (01:01:59):
Life, basically playing like real life, don't.

Speaker 3 (01:02:03):
Start yeah, minecraft or l like.

Speaker 2 (01:02:07):
It'd be interesting though, because I've thinking, like, my my
uncle is popping around there in the next wile to
just give me a bit of an idea about you know,
topping trees and copping that's the word cops coppassing. Unaware
of that word, but it was funny. I was saying him, yeah,
I just need a bit of a seer, and he
was like he's his thing was just lis a man,

(01:02:27):
anyone can call themselves a tree. All you're doing is
common branches. After he was I have all the equipment.
So I'll go down and I'll show you a few
bits and pieces. I'm sure you'd be grand from there.

Speaker 3 (01:02:36):
That's compassing as you're wanting to cut down trees kind
of a lower level. It's likeability kind of practice.

Speaker 2 (01:02:42):
You don't want your house to get destroyed.

Speaker 3 (01:02:43):
It's a it's a technique of managing a forest without
killing the trees.

Speaker 2 (01:02:49):
I get you, I got you. And also I'll giving yourself.

Speaker 3 (01:02:51):
Fire about den as a results, because trees are actually
fairly hard to kill.

Speaker 2 (01:02:54):
Like like you've been top a tree down to the axles,
like you'll start to grow again.

Speaker 3 (01:02:58):
Unless you really can try and make it like tough
for that trait, it will bounce back. Well, not all species,
but a lot.

Speaker 2 (01:03:05):
Of them will. You know, a lot of them will
grow back.

Speaker 3 (01:03:07):
I've got trees down to like maybe a fall off
the ground and they will fire around your Yeah, should
have got a big root system. You think about how
much they've got in the ground, Like so no, I think, yeah,
I mean, look, everyone has drawn whether they want to live.

Speaker 2 (01:03:23):
I think the more that.

Speaker 3 (01:03:24):
We I think, it's just going to get harder to biting.
So then you have to look at do we do
the little treats, and are we buying ourselves these small
little things to kind of try and give ourselves pleasure
or do we kind of reject the system of it
and a lot.

Speaker 2 (01:03:37):
Of stuff that we try to do. Like you know
when they talk about like you know, get a personal trainer,
get a mad class body, you know, it's like I
just live read and you'll have that. Yeah, but we'll
just have it.

Speaker 3 (01:03:48):
Like it's the lipstick index to callous. When times are
really hard, purchases like lipstick got through the roof because
people are buying those little treats for themselves.

Speaker 2 (01:03:58):
They say, as well as per session, people tend to
spend more on their animals and themselves. They'll get them
the expensive food and they lead the sailor brand, Tesco
stuff or whatever.

Speaker 3 (01:04:08):
So like it's actually a trackable thing. Through the last
like three or four recessions, that lipstick has gone up,
so they call it the lipstick index. It's actually gone
up right now as well. Yeah, the lipstick index. Watch
out for brothers by yourself them the treats. That's what
it means. You can't afford the holiday, But that's what
it is. You can't afford the holiday. You can't afford
the big bites you can't afford like a frivolous parts

(01:04:28):
of say a car or you know, so you buy
those little things and you take a gamble. Gambling also
goes up quite a bit because people.

Speaker 2 (01:04:37):
People are living for the hope of something. Well, I
have barely any money anyway. Yeah, it's a it's a
tricky one, Like it's very tricky. But I do think
that over the next five, ten, fifteen years, it's going
to be chaotic, like it's going to.

Speaker 3 (01:04:49):
Be a real I think, like I think we do
snap out of it fairly quickly. I'd give it a
year or two, you know. I think once we go
into an actual recession, which again have no qualifications saying this,
but it does feel like something that will be next
year that if we go into that, I think it'll
be here or two and we should be out of
it again.

Speaker 2 (01:05:06):
Well, I don't know, you see, if history is anything
to go by careers recent history, but I think we're
heading into a new epoch where like it's true where
it's hired, when it's when the housing crisis happened, like
that had never happened before. Like imagine the bank ring
any of the day before being like, you need to
give us a load of money, And wasn't that some
American dude said, like why you're like an obvious thing

(01:05:28):
to say is why are we bailing out the banks
and not the people? And they were like, but the
people won't learn if we bail them out. Was an
actual comment from some like American politician, which is just
fucking did they have the banks learned? Has Ireland learned?
Look at our rents and dumblin Back then it was
all carrot and all stick, like it was you want
the house, how about two? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:05:49):
Yeah, yeah, oh you can't put that's fine?

Speaker 2 (01:05:51):
Sure, maybe I'm viue to be able to mortgage. You're like,
the house only costs dismounts. Will we give you ten
percent of that as well? Don't worry about it.

Speaker 3 (01:05:59):
Like my like they wouldn't have been on a relatively
high income, like and they were getting alongst whatever they wanted,
like you know what I mean? Yeah, you know, have it,
get whatever you want.

Speaker 2 (01:06:09):
They're like, how will I pay it back? About that?
After you figured it out? Figure it out?

Speaker 3 (01:06:15):
That's the funny because it it goes from like again,
this is how quick things change. My granddad used to
say first time he went into a bank was like
nineteen sixty and he was saying he was like mad nervous,
and he said he had he was pacing up and
down outside the bank because he didn't want to go in.
He said he was that nervous about going in and

(01:06:36):
talking to the bank manager.

Speaker 2 (01:06:38):
Like yeah, And so in.

Speaker 3 (01:06:40):
That whole life cycle there it went from I'm I'm
afraid going to the banks. I don't know what they'll
give me, what they want from me, what I can
do from to like oh, yeah you want five my price,
take five houses, and to now where it's kind of
reached like whatever, we all know the crack now. But
it's like it isn't that mad?

Speaker 2 (01:06:59):
How quick? That just ram wid? It's even funny talking
to the bank manager. That's like the bank manager is
an evaporating position. It's a AI overlord bank managers. So
that's what it's all going to be if you think
of it to a certain extent, like I don't know
if you have any credit cards or.

Speaker 3 (01:07:15):
Anything, but like I want to be trust.

Speaker 2 (01:07:19):
But like when I was applying for a credit card,
it was like and I never wanted a credit card.
But it was basically like you had to fill out
all this stuff and it's just an algorithm that goes
you get this amount. You know. Now, I'm pretty frugal,
Like I don't have that. I would have a thing
in the Amazon basket and not buy it, Like, I

(01:07:39):
don't really have that impulsive thing with with purchase position. Yeah,
I have my cock in the but I but I don't.
I don't splurge, I take it out. I put my
cock in the Amazon. No I do. I'm very impulsive.
It's just one of those things. Yeah, like brother impulsive

(01:08:00):
as fucked like I need not very impulsive.

Speaker 3 (01:08:03):
No, I'm very impulsive, getting better at it ish, but
it's a hard one even when you're aware of that.
I find it's hard to not be. It's quite tricky.

Speaker 2 (01:08:16):
I'm more risk averse. Like I see like to say
money I have saved or whatever, and I'm like, right,
so I need to because Pa is not bad with it.
But she's probably used to just burning it out and
then getting it back, if that makes sense. That's me. Yeah,
I'm not.

Speaker 3 (01:08:30):
I never had I never had anything, so I don't
really care when I do have something.

Speaker 2 (01:08:33):
I don't have something. Yeah, it's not so much care.
If something goes wrong, we're fucked.

Speaker 3 (01:08:39):
See I've lived in wrong for a long time.

Speaker 2 (01:08:42):
I've got I think I think right now. To me,
it's because before if you're living with the parents or
you have a fallback. But now I'm like, you have
the wife in the house and the rest, and you're
like all right, like this is on me now, like
I need to keep this turning.

Speaker 3 (01:08:55):
Yeah, yeah, it's still probably yeah, because i'd still get
by with out of my pants.

Speaker 2 (01:09:01):
Oh no, this is it. Yeah. And in fact I
think that you might actually it might be a de
stressor if they took everything, you'd be like of a freedom. Yeah. No,
I just you know, knock and that's I never fired
my own plans. Yeah no, I never felt like that.
I don't know why. I was like, ah, well sure, yeah,
as long as it doesn't like if it's if it's

(01:09:23):
not causing your stress, that's a better way to be.

Speaker 3 (01:09:26):
Yeah, that doesn't really there you go, that's perfect man. No, yeah, no,
it is interesting times. I hope we haven't been to
my room to their listeners.

Speaker 2 (01:09:37):
No, it's it's fun not knowing. It's fun having these ideas.
Keep in mind that all the while that we're talking
about this and AI and everything, thirty one Atlas is
still just rounding the sun coming towards us. That. Yeah,
that was quite spuky. That looked like the curtain just
opened itself for a second, as if we said one
access and it was like, I'm looking at you. That's common,

(01:09:59):
but imagine that. Yeah, and funny enough. Next Monday's episode
is going to be all about the congressional hearings in
the US, the US, the United States.

Speaker 3 (01:10:12):
Yeah, and we have we're going to put out a
sort of a call to arms to our patrons and
also to our listeners. I suppose we talked about like
last month about changing up the format of the show,
which is going to happen.

Speaker 2 (01:10:24):
It's going to go ahead.

Speaker 3 (01:10:26):
I think what we'll do is what we talked about
before him and where we'll probably still do one monster
fulls a week, and it'll be in the more form
of a more generic kind of minifolds or perhaps if
a topic comes up that we want to talk about,
we'll do that. But we are going to set up
a standalone podcast as well, like a spin off, in
a different totally different, not totally different still fucking us two,
but just different theme an idea, a bit looser, a

(01:10:48):
bit broader, more Amazon position.

Speaker 2 (01:10:51):
You know, I think you need more Amazon. I don't
even know how. I don't get the physics. I look
at it and I got I think to myself, well,
I could never, never do that.

Speaker 3 (01:11:03):
So basically, what we're saying is we're going to put
out a ward and we're going to say if there's
anything that we haven't covered on this podcast that is
of the topic that you just would like us to
talk about on point to on topic, send it in.
And what we'll do is we'll get through them, and
once we get through them, we'll move on and we'll
still do our fifty to fifty, but but it'll be

(01:11:23):
a lot more broad and on both sides, I think,
and that'll be a bit of fun because there's only
so much ice strangeness you can talk about really without
repeating yourself. And I think we've hit most of the
major things. So there's a couple of other bits there
for sure. Like there's plenty of ways you could do it,
Like we could do mythology on that shype, but like
you know, we'll leave it up to you guys. If
you guys, if there was anything you would like us

(01:11:44):
to talk about, and I think we'll leave it there,
am I Yeah, yes, right, So.

Speaker 2 (01:11:50):
I've been rabbed. I've been a manster falls over and
outside
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