Ryan Graves, the Vandenberg UFO and the UAP Hearings

In July 2023, during a congressional hearing on UAPs (Unidentified Aerial Phenomena), a former U.S. Navy pilot named Ryan Graves testified that he had received reports of a startling incident at Vandenberg in 2003. He described that a group of Boeing contractors operating near one of the launch facilities reportedly observed a “very large, 100-yard-sided red square” approach from the ocean and hover above a launch facility for approximately 45 seconds, before it “darted off” over the mountains. 
This testimony brought renewed public attention to what had long been a somewhat obscured claim in UFO lore, and raised questions about whether UAPs have been underreported in military-adjacent zones.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:01):
A little crypt and this is a script. I want
to quick against my enemies. Yeah see, you wanted to say,
and then at little raise you but appleget you from
the wielder.

Speaker 2 (00:28):
Hello everyone, what is up?

Speaker 1 (00:30):
I am Rob and Dimon.

Speaker 2 (00:31):
It is monsterful. Can we get through this episode today?

Speaker 1 (00:37):
No? I think we will get through it, but there's
gonna be some wild tangents. We will. We'll get you up.

Speaker 2 (00:43):
We'll get you up. But before we get into it,
bloody say, before we get into it. Just like to
remind everyone the hell on over checks out on Petreon.
There's lots of stuff over there, some exclusive episodes, loads
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And if they've seen a UFO or if they've perhaps

(01:03):
been abducted, perhaps they've been endly probed. Where should they perhaps?

Speaker 1 (01:09):
Perhaps perhaps if you've been ainly probe we would like
to hear from you Monster Fuzz Podcast at gmail dot com.
We have had some really good UFO stories over the years.
To be fair, lads and corks and red lights all
the rest of that. Do yeah, send him into us
because I think Ireland is known less for its UAPs,

(01:31):
you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:32):
It is, But there's actually quite a few when you
look under and they go, oh okay, under the hood.

Speaker 1 (01:38):
There was a fella who used to drink in a
pub I used to work in many moons ago, and
he had said that he had been abducted. No, he
was a bit of a mad lad anyway. But I mean,
if you were going to abduct someone who you want,
who you didn't want, you know, people to believe an
unreliable and unreliable.

Speaker 2 (01:58):
Yeah, yeah, your coffee. But with the aliens, now, who's
really mad and who isn't.

Speaker 1 (02:04):
I you'd think that they'd have a good idea, you don't.
You'd also wonder, like why do they just keep taking
rednecks like you? But you think if they take a
politician or someone in like like I supposed.

Speaker 2 (02:18):
By nature, like like rednecks are outdoors.

Speaker 1 (02:22):
More maybe yeah, But then they come in. They seem
to come into the house, take it through the walls
and all. I suspect that it's similar. And we've talked
about this before, the catch and release type stuff, so
like we'll tag sharks, dolphins, birds, whatever, cats, big cats,
all that sort of stuff. I think it might be
a similar enough thing, Like if you've ever seen them,

(02:44):
I think I sent you a video before of when
they have like it's almost a trailer or sidecar on
a boat and they basically trap a great white and
they tag it and then just put it back into
the sea and it's wild looking the way they do it,
but effectively they're just monitoring that shark, like they're not
trying to do with harm. And you would imagine we're we're,

(03:06):
let's say, a smarter species than a shark, or we
think of ourselves as that based on what we're doing,
and so yeah, so we're curious and we want to
understand more about these things. So it seems like that
could be it. Then the other side is it's you know,
they're trying to take people's sperms and all the rest
of it. Like the more I've listened to a lot
of this UFO stuff recently, and it's it is it

(03:30):
gets squarely well, it gets to the point where like
lads were saying the aliens that have these big flesh
lights effectively that they be using to take the sperm,
and then the lads would get no, they well, they
were enjoying it at the time, but then they get
vasectomies to be like I got to stop these aliens
abducting me, and then the aliens just have a big syringe.

(03:52):
It was unpleasant, you know, so like it, and you know,
lots of stuff about alien human hybrids and blah blah
blah and just and then there's part where that the
aliens are basically we're souls for their harvesting souls by hand.
That's some sort of energy I don't fucking normally.

Speaker 2 (04:08):
What if we are like the offspring of the aliens,
Like what if we are the hybrid breed, like we
could be?

Speaker 1 (04:13):
Yeah, and that's what they say they want to create,
Like it's about I do like the one the idea
that they are and they're trying to create themselves in
the future and there's a weird time vortex where they
have to go back to create themselves and if they don't,
then there are no aliens. But it does seem like
something should be happening with all this shite, yeah, with

(04:35):
Congress and with all this stuff, and it's like it's
just so slow to get where it's going. In the
words of brand Boyd from Incubus, will I ever get
to where I'm going. If I do well, I know
when I'm there.

Speaker 2 (04:50):
And in the words of brand the Boys, everything goes
in circles.

Speaker 1 (04:53):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, stuff like that.

Speaker 2 (04:58):
Sh shot, yeah, burst into flame.

Speaker 1 (05:09):
I've had enough of this world and it's creature's mindless games.
Is that the alien?

Speaker 2 (05:13):
You are stellar?

Speaker 1 (05:15):
You are stellar? Meet me out, you know, maybe brandom boy.
He's a very sensual character.

Speaker 2 (05:26):
He's very handsome man. He slang a lot of dick in.

Speaker 1 (05:28):
His I say he dig down a whole lot of
poor girls, well actually not poor girls, very happy girls
at the time. And I did like the way he
used to just like he'd be out playing his gig,
having his little battle of wine, and then, you know,
four or five songs in it was shut to come off.
And he wasn't.

Speaker 2 (05:46):
He was just skinny.

Speaker 1 (05:47):
It wasn't even like he wasn't he wasn't putting a
lot of work into it. Just a massively handsome man
drinking a bottle wine with a good voice. You know,
in a rock band, there are.

Speaker 2 (05:58):
Some females who do like that, real a messia male,
kind of a lot of them. Yeah, Jim Morrison was like.

Speaker 1 (06:03):
He wasn't like he was kind of good, kind of
toned like he probably sneakily did a few push ups
and sit ups and just didn't say nothing about it.
I've been the skinny man, but I didn't have and
I looked emaciated. I looked like I had I was
HIV positive. I looked sick.

Speaker 2 (06:25):
You were an alien hybrid? Maybe perhaps maybe I am. Yeah,
I don't know what does it all mean? Who knows?
It's getting annoying because we're I think you know what
it is, and we're in the era of like too
much knowledge about everything, and yet we're getting dumber with
no no, we still have nothing really concrete and aliens
nothing really concrete, and.

Speaker 1 (06:46):
We don't even know now they're calling them now, they're
saying they're interdimensional, and some people are thinking like these
are the tools of God, and it's just like, you
know what.

Speaker 2 (06:53):
Whatever that may be, Like, we don't have enough on them,
so like all this mad speculation where people are.

Speaker 1 (06:58):
Like yeah, and the problem is that there are people
who probably do have enough on him and they're not
telling us. And that's that's why the whole disclosure thing
is going on. Basically, they're getting blocked. They're being told
you better not say not. And then Brandon Boyd is
trying to sneakily tell us what's going on in his lyrics.

Speaker 2 (07:17):
Yeah, Brandon boys just telling a Simon, what is this
episode about? Phillis in Let's get the fuck So.

Speaker 1 (07:22):
The gist of this this is about the Vandenburg sightings primarily,
but it also sort of delves into Ryan Graves, who
was one of the one of the guys who's going
out to talk about what they'd experienced and to talk
about disclosure to get more from the government. So the

(07:43):
likes of him, Loue Alzando, David Fraver, Grush, all these
guys the most as well Borland, the Gang, the Gang,
all the boys are at it. If you actually listen
to I think it's on your friend Jeremy Carlo's podcast.

(08:04):
I can't remember his first name now, but Borland. The
only reason I remember his second name is because I
like Wesboorland from limb Biscuit And we'll get into limb
Biscuit lyrics next week, and how they were trying to
tell us about how Bigfoot is real there's time at
all stuff like that. But he he has a really
interesting one about how the government effectively. According to him,

(08:27):
we're trying to make him YouTube algorithm. It's very interesting.
It's a two parter. It's worth listening to. And he
talks about what he's seen. He talks about this strange
plasma light energy around the kind of a triangular aircraft. Yeah. Yeah,
tob Beran, as we all know, the blueprint for every

(08:49):
UAP people are seeing now. But he does talk about
how initially he thought it was probably the US or
you know, the militaries, but over time he's he's come
to believe that it's not. It's just very interesting stuff.
And all this is going on now and either there's
a shitload of Charlatan's out there or this is true

(09:10):
and it's being withheld from people. So it's quite interesting.
Jeremy Corbel gave you a nice haircut over the weekend.
I got a haircut as well, Jeremy Corbel.

Speaker 2 (09:19):
Yeah, shout to Jeremy.

Speaker 1 (09:20):
Appreciate it. Jar Barber dere yeah, Jar Jar, I'm known
Jars two for one.

Speaker 2 (09:28):
Right.

Speaker 1 (09:29):
So we're going to start from July twenty twenty three.
We're going to go in through it from there, so
joining a Congressional hearing on UAPs and for those who
don't know, and I'm sure everyone listening knows now unidentified
aerial phenomena know what. There's a former US Navy pilot
named Ryan Graves, and he testified that he had received
reports a startling incident at Vandenberg in two thousand and three.

(09:55):
He described that a group of Boeing contractors operating near
one of the launch facilities reportedly observed a very large,
one hundred yard sided red square approaching from the ocean,
hovering over the launch facility for about forty five seconds
before it darted off over the mountains. So this testimony,

(10:15):
along with many the other testimonies that you've seen, whether
it's the Go Fast video or the recent stuff that's
been released or the more historical stuff from twenty seventeen,
I believe on this is basically renewed public attention which
had been sort of interested in UFO lore, and it's
been raising questions about whether UAPs have been underreported in

(10:38):
military adjacent zones. I don't get this into the notes,
but part of this is basically about how historically you
would be afraid to come forward with this, whereas there's a.

Speaker 2 (10:49):
You're a military I suppose it will be.

Speaker 1 (10:52):
Yeah, you're keeping that to yourself. I don't know if
that's still the case, I said, but yeah, right now.
But yeah, so there, there's there is people are trying
to release more information. There's a lot of stuff about
what they can talk about and what they can't with
all these class this classified stuff. So when you hear
people talking about telling politicians about various things in a

(11:13):
skiff that can't be talked about, all of this stuff
is kind of it seems like Arrow and the rest
of them. Some people have said they were trying to
do their best, but there seems to be a counter
movement which is basically trying to stop this stuff coming out.
This could actually be the podcast that gets us put
on a on a watch list.

Speaker 2 (11:33):
I said, we're already on many.

Speaker 1 (11:35):
To be honest, watch this podcast in twenty six it's
going to be so good.

Speaker 2 (11:42):
Yeah. I think the whole cufour thing, ocean r fall
thing that's getting in a bit of ground is it so.

Speaker 1 (11:50):
Hard identified submerged?

Speaker 2 (11:52):
Yeah, Like that's for some reports recently where people are
saying like, oh, there's more coming from the scene now,
they're not from.

Speaker 1 (11:59):
Talk into a friend of ours, a well known friend
of ours who is responsible for the genesis of this podcast.
He was saying that was that I'm just making stuff
up on the spot. He was saying that these it
was the Jews, even when it was the aliens, it

(12:20):
was the Jews, the alien entities that are in some
ways made up of water like that that it's kind
of like James Cameron's The Abyss mixed with Avatar, mixed
with Avatar blue people, Avatar people made sounds like that.

Speaker 2 (12:40):
Jake solely, I used to be a human and I'm
a big blue How did that happen in them films?
How does he turn into one of them?

Speaker 1 (12:46):
Well? Avatar?

Speaker 2 (12:50):
What you mean?

Speaker 1 (12:50):
So that's the whole thing, is like you are, you
are psychically connected to the thing, so it's your avatar.
And then they were able to.

Speaker 2 (13:00):
What about all the avatar women were they're.

Speaker 1 (13:04):
The actual things. But then they've created some sort.

Speaker 2 (13:07):
Of created an avatar just for fucking I think.

Speaker 1 (13:11):
I can't remember how they did it exactly. I think
maybe they trapped some of them and then they just
like made it so you could put your mind into them.
So you're that there pretty good seven out of ten.
Sam Worthington as we all know in the movie wheelchair
Bound couldn't do the things, and then he gets in

(13:32):
He's like, no, I can jump high and all I didn't.

Speaker 2 (13:35):
He wasn't made bound in the first one, was he
and then in the second one he's just the bluefella.

Speaker 1 (13:42):
So basically they use the tree that you can connect
to your hair, and then he manages to like get
his consciousness put into the avatar. So that's that's that's
a that's a very whistle stop tour of the movie
Avatar Avatar three, Fire and Dash this December. Just remember
to remember Fire and or ASHK. I like those movies.

(14:05):
I must say, yeah, I think that. I think they
are visual spectacles. Story Wise, they're fairly painful. They hit
the emotional beats.

Speaker 2 (14:13):
Roger Eberts tune for a bit. I'm Roger Reamer very rude.

Speaker 1 (14:18):
The man's dead, But those two things did happen, So
I don't I don't see how it's rude. I'm just
talking about his life and describing on a voice. What's
the big deal.

Speaker 2 (14:29):
So let's go back to the fos m us and
all that. The description of the object is unusually specific,
not a discoorse saucer, as is common in many UFO counts,
but a red square with a hammer and sickle emblazoned
with sizeable dimensions roughly the size of a field. Now

(14:49):
we have on this podcast talked about square wet falls,
We've talked about sort of starting Imperial Star Destroyer UFOs.

Speaker 1 (14:57):
I want to know, but isn't it I kind of
like like UFOs as like children's shapes, collateral triangle.

Speaker 2 (15:07):
Like a age insigne.

Speaker 1 (15:09):
We could have some sort of four dimensional locked the
hydron or something, or.

Speaker 2 (15:13):
Really and truly a UFO, as I've said before on
this padage should be something that we can't imagine. If
it's something that we can imagine, then I would be
inclined to believe if the if the alien started up
tomorrow in something that looked like say an Imperial Start Destroyer,
then I would call or there they it's us in
some much epe or form, because they've made something that

(15:33):
we could conceive in our mind, and they got here
by the means that we would sort of try to
get to some other planets in the future.

Speaker 1 (15:40):
You know, square doesn't seem very aerodynamic.

Speaker 2 (15:44):
Square, maybe a flat square could be a bit alien
to be fair of yeah, but like business, Aladdin, that's
a rectangle, that's what you're sorry that?

Speaker 1 (15:53):
But I was like like them on lit and a
rectangle is really just a double square.

Speaker 2 (15:58):
Or half a square?

Speaker 1 (15:59):
I actually well either or really, Matt, this isn't mas hilarious.

Speaker 2 (16:04):
Wow, just.

Speaker 1 (16:07):
Pizza.

Speaker 2 (16:07):
There's something happens?

Speaker 1 (16:08):
Are you trying to tell me? If I have one
full pizza and I could it laugh?

Speaker 2 (16:12):
I now have.

Speaker 3 (16:12):
Four pieces of what is going on?

Speaker 4 (16:16):
What you wouldn't fozza round pizza?

Speaker 3 (16:22):
And now I have four triangles of pizzas because I.

Speaker 2 (16:29):
You, guys, there's not a madness. According to the hearing record,
the object offered law and a relatively slow speed for
a brief period, then sucked off. Additional reports I was
related by Graves alleged that later that evening there were
further sightings, including aggressive behaviors in which objects approached security

(16:52):
guards rapidly before someone kind of aggressive.

Speaker 1 (16:58):
That's why he said it was fucking aggressive behavior.

Speaker 2 (17:02):
The unusual shape, color, size, and behavior, combined with the
Vandenburg case, standout among the UFO UAP reports. In follow
up reporting and interviews after the congressional hearing, former USEF
personnel have added detail to the account. For example, Jeff Nukatelli,
a former Air Force senior patrol officer, recounted the event

(17:26):
in podcast interviews, saying he had interviewed multiple witnesses and
that the object got bigger and brighter as that came in.
It's all made of stars.

Speaker 1 (17:35):
As something does come towards you, it does get bigger.

Speaker 2 (17:37):
That's how it works. That's how we're actually figuring out
a lot today about how things work. I think how.

Speaker 1 (17:43):
Can have certain turn into four trying.

Speaker 2 (17:49):
He claims that the object moved radically, suspended over for
a restricted area and then the part of the high speed.
He also mentioned that three Boeing contractors had signed sworn
statements about saying the red square earlier that day. According
to him, roughly eighty people may be aware or have
knowledge of the event, and he has sought to provide
evidence to the Pentagons, all the men Anomaly Resolution Office.

Speaker 1 (18:13):
Arrow AA ARROW, Yeah, it's a and then a lot
of people are given out about Arrow and.

Speaker 2 (18:19):
It's what's wrong with Arrow?

Speaker 1 (18:21):
Well, they said that when your man Kirkpatrick was in
charge of that, that he was sort of actively trying
to conceal this stuff. But again the government are trying
to make air Force lads top themselves and all. I'm
sure like if you were if you saw a big
mad UAP thing and then the Irish government, for once

(18:45):
in their lives, got on top of something and we're like,
if you tell, if you tell anybody about this, I'm
going to make sure you have a terrible, terrible time.
You know, when Connor McGregor and he knows that you've
seen a UAP like blue lips, yeah, you know, starts
to make you.

Speaker 2 (19:04):
Was a balloon.

Speaker 1 (19:07):
Balloon?

Speaker 2 (19:07):
No, No, we don't have an air force, so it's
actually impossible.

Speaker 1 (19:11):
That we would have president maybe Donald we have.

Speaker 2 (19:13):
An air force. Maybe like a joke.

Speaker 1 (19:15):
Maybe DJ you beyond the j T Donald Donald Trump?

Speaker 2 (19:22):
Yeah, Trump, Like if if we're in America.

Speaker 1 (19:24):
T what's his middle name, Donald Terrence Trump or something.
But yeah, maybe he's like he'd be like talking to me,
Hal Martin.

Speaker 2 (19:34):
Yeah, but like, look, the crack is the.

Speaker 1 (19:37):
Need to tell you you're like.

Speaker 2 (19:39):
This about listening. We stuff is like, you know, it
seems like all the stuff that everyone fucking says, right,
the stuff that there's so many sightings of blady blady,
nothing has ever really comes out about it and then
like that.

Speaker 1 (19:52):
I think that that's part of them being really good
at considering all the stuff because they won't allow it
to come out because they know something that will that
will make you so scared you'll literally shot in your
own pants.

Speaker 2 (20:06):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (20:07):
It's as Brandon Boyd said, you are stellar. Yeah, but
hey Meglomania, you are no Jesus, You're no fucking eldest.
But no, seriously, Like, the the whole thing is there
seems to be an active suppression that's going on that
people are very frustrated about, right, you know now, So

(20:29):
why would they be trying to suppress it? I suppose?

Speaker 2 (20:31):
Is what we have to ask?

Speaker 1 (20:32):
What do you think the reason is for the US
government trying to suppress the existence of whatever these things are?

Speaker 2 (20:41):
This is the thing you see? I don't I don't
really after is compelling reason, but.

Speaker 1 (20:46):
That's what What do you think would be a good reason?

Speaker 2 (20:50):
I would say that my best reason would be simply
that they don't want you know, like pan basically like
they don't want people realizing.

Speaker 1 (21:03):
So what if? So? I think the main thing is
like there's probably nothing we could do against these things, right,
But we're already kind of Do you think they're heating
us up to it? Like, even though they're classifying this
stuff and they're not letting a lot of the information out,
do you think they're kind of going right, something's going
to happen soon. There's all this mad stuff as well

(21:24):
on u AP shit, where like there's been agreements with
governments where like they'll allow the aliens or the interdimensional
people or whatever to abduct and take certain people. And
there's all this that there's like agreements between governments and
these interdimensional beings or these extraterrestrial beings.

Speaker 2 (21:44):
Do x Y And I don't think that's happening. I
don't think that's happening. I don't really have a good
reason to say that isn't there it is, But I
just logically I think, you know it would the aliens,
after real and able to rock up here. They have
nothing to gain by like being allies with like plub
governments like that, Like yeah, literally no need, Like like

(22:10):
if they can conceal themselves as they already do, why
would they need to then sort of integrate with like
head figures, Like if they can.

Speaker 1 (22:23):
Difference, would it make what they want?

Speaker 2 (22:25):
Yeah? Unless there was some kind of like they wanted
to study us and they wanted to appoint fucking lizard
people like in ve or something into the governments and
all where they can.

Speaker 1 (22:35):
Well have you hit upon something, Oh Jesus, it doesn't
get into in this bro that that is part of
the thing is that they suspect And again I listened,
I've listened to far too much of this year. But
it's about like they're walking among us. So it's not
you know, it's not that they're up in the skies
or whatever. They're here, they're with it. It could be me,

(22:57):
it could be you. There's controlling their reptilia, the lizard king.
But yeah, these are things and that there's nothing we
can do about this. And I think the fear is
that again what some people have said is they harvest
us for souls class and so there is no afterlife.
Your soul just goes to whatever alien, nefarious alien things

(23:21):
they want to do with it. It is cool that
we have a soul, though maybe we could escape, our
souls could escape the aliens, the treacherous aliens, no come back,
and we'd be like, no, we do. We probably shout
Brandon Boyd lyrics on them, trying to think of.

Speaker 2 (23:35):
Jesus the aliens. He's like, no, to sell your soul
blanks to me.

Speaker 1 (23:42):
What did Brandon Boyd mean when he said I lean
against the wind. I feel that I am whiteless, But
in this moment I am happy. And that was on
the song wish you were here? What he says later,
I'm counting UFOs, signal them with my lighter and in
this moment I am happy, and then I wish you
were here.

Speaker 2 (24:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (24:02):
Mere decades later, the UAPs start to be seen in
the skies. What does it all mean? Incubus a male
sex demon stealing men for their nefarious hybrid probby ladies
and gentlemen. Have we solved? It? Is America after myself

(24:24):
and Robert right now? Tune in next week to see
if there's any more episodes. The Vandenberg base has had
other UFO UAP like cleams tied to it years. Climbs claimants.
One often cited incident while the Lieutenant Robert Jacobs is

(24:45):
he a cream cracker? You'll never know who? In nineteen
sixty four claimed that while monitoring a missile test from Vandenberg,
he recorded on film a flying saucer shaped object that
approached the missile, fired a beam of light at it,
and then exited the frame. According to Jacob's his superiors

(25:07):
ordered him to never speak of it. In subsequent decades,
the story has been revisited by UFO's researchers, though official
records validating Jacob's account remain ambiguous and contested. From an
institutional perspective, the US Department of Defense or DoD, who

(25:29):
are doing a lot of squarely stuff at the minute,
and associated agencies have taken a more serious and structured
approach towards the UAP reporting. In twenty twenty two, the
Pentagon established Arrow, and during the twenty twenty three congressional hearings,
members of Congress and witnesses emphasized that UAPs are underreported,
that the stigma surrounding reporting is very strong still, and

(25:52):
that excessive classification is hiding crucial information from the public record.

Speaker 2 (25:58):
Now, now you may be asking who is Ryan Graves?

Speaker 1 (26:03):
Is a cool name?

Speaker 2 (26:04):
It is. Ryan Graves is a former US pilot from
the Navy. He is one of the most prominent contemporary
figures in the public conversation about ups. He graduated from
the Worcester Polytechnic Institute with a degree in aerospace engineering
before commissioning into the Navy, where he served as FA

(26:27):
eighteen super Hornet pil horned. During his years of service,
Graves logged over two thousand flight hours and served as
a flight instructor and training officer, giving him a high
level of technical expertise in aviation systems, radar, and sensor operations.
His background as an engineer and elite aviator has made

(26:48):
him a particularly credible voice in discussions of unexplained aerial encounters.
Graves first entered the public spotlight in twenty nineteen when
The New York Times published an article tailing several Navy
pilots encounters with unexplained objects off to the US East Coast.
He recounted the beginning around twenty fourteen, pilots from his

(27:09):
squadron based on the USS the or Roosevelt had detected
an unusual or sorry and visually observed unidentified objects every
day for years, he says, every day for years.

Speaker 1 (27:22):
And there's constantly about the air bases. These things have
constantly been around, you know.

Speaker 2 (27:28):
These objects appeared on advanced radar and infrared systems, often
performing maneuvers that defied conventional flight dynamics, hovering motionless in
high winds or accelerating rapidly without visible propulsion. While Graves
never claimed that these crafts for of eight origin, he
consistently emphasized that they represented a serious safety and national

(27:50):
security issue that deserved systematic investigation. Now, what's interesting and
what you're seeing now is drawn warfare is like just
the norm now, and drawn warfare is like I would say,
like drawn warfare is like as revolutionary as like tanks were,

(28:14):
or as revolutionary as like cavalry was for armies that
first had cavalry because their low cost, high damage, high effective,
like highly effective in pretty much every application and your cause.
And have a call over Ukraine, both for the Ukrainians
and the Russians, like on both sides, and like you

(28:35):
could conceive nowadays that if a country was to launch
an invasion, probably a lot of it would be via
drone initially to the stable.

Speaker 1 (28:43):
Even with ours. The vanderline, is it talking about drone?
Don't yeah, trying to make for you, because she's saying,
we can't be sending like fighter jets to disarm these
things or neutralize them. And she's right for.

Speaker 2 (28:57):
Too small entirely right, too small and under too many
of these aren't the drones of like sort of Obama era,
those big mad drons that were bombing the shit out
of the Syria and stuff like that. Like they're not
that kind of drowne they're like literally FPV drones, like
maybe slightly bigger than FPV drons, like just.

Speaker 1 (29:16):
Have charges on when you're flying into stuff.

Speaker 2 (29:18):
Yeah, and they're highly effective. You leave and see fudge
from Ukraine on the front where like they're literally flying
around with a grenade dangling from one and they're just
literally has a camera pointing down the grenade hanging from
a string to fly over a foxhol and just drop it.
And so those are like the less little ones even

(29:40):
though they're still highly legal. But there are ones then
that will have like proper decent detonation devices that so
I like, for example, if there was an invasion, I said, Taiwan,
you would imagine a lot of it will be done
by drones if possible, you know, to dismantle a lot
of infrastructure.

Speaker 1 (29:58):
So in the words Brandon Boyd, nice to know you,
good bye, and that's what you would say while piloting
those drones.

Speaker 2 (30:06):
I think, yeah, I think if you're in some kind
of air force to see a lot of this shit,
whether it be drawns or something way more weird. But anyway, yeah,
there's looking for disclosure. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (30:20):
So, after leaving active duty, Graves becomes increasingly vocal about
the need to remove the stigma surrounding UAP reporting among
military and civilian pilots. He funds a not for profit
organization called Americans for Safe Airspace ASA, which advocates for
transparent UAP reporting systems, declassification of relevant data, and better

(30:42):
protection for whistleblowers and witnesses. Through ASSE, Graves works to
create an environment where aviators can report unusual encounters without
the fear of ridicule or professional consequences. He has argued
that treating UAPs solely as a curiosity or conspiracy topic
in as pilots and potentially obscures legitimate threats, whether they

(31:04):
stem from foreign surveillance technology, atmospheric phenomena, or completely unknown origins,
and the latter is where we we suspect they're coming from.
Gravest credibility and steady demeanor have made him a key
figure in the congressional hearings on UAPs, most notably in
twenty twenty three when he's testified before the US House

(31:26):
Subcommittee on National Security. He I think he was in
Rogan as well him, right, there's Graves Grush they aspects. Yeah, so,
but it's very worth listening to him if you're interested
in this topic, or just even going on to Weaponized
which is George Knapp and Jenerry Corbell's podcast. You know

(31:48):
it's what if you're interested, there's some good stuff there.
So he's criticizing the existing reporting systems as ineffective and underutilized.
He's urging lawmaker to implement clearer procedures for documenting and
investigating such events. His testimony includes references to the Vandenburg

(32:08):
UFO case, which was covered in which boeen contractors saw
this large, red square shaped object. However, despite this advocacy,
despite this advocacy, Graves remains measured and cautious in his conclusions.
He repeatedly states that while the phenomena are real and observable,
we do not know what their origins are, and jumping

(32:29):
to extraterrestrial explanations without evidence is premature. We've all been
premature before. His focus is less on proving alien visitation,
and more on improving airspace safety, radar tracking, and data transparency.
The pragmatic approach has earned respect from among scientist, aviation experts,

(32:49):
and skeptics, who value his professionalism and fact based tone.
In public appearances, podcasts, and media interviews, Graves keeps emphasizing
that what's most needed is a cultural shift that recognizes
that unidentified does not automatically mean alien, and that unexplained
aerial events deserve serious analysis rather than dismissal.

Speaker 2 (33:13):
Yeah, and we've kind of often told the mine too,
like we I don't think we've ever kind of said
something as I rights.

Speaker 1 (33:21):
And the reality is, we don't know. It would seem
that if you're hedging their bets, it would seem based
on what we know, that these things aren't or at
least the majority of them aren't being made by governments
on Earth, because you know, unless this stuff is so
far ahead. But I mean, if we think of it

(33:43):
this way, right, let's say we do have access to
these energy sources. We could and of course we won't
because we're shitty humans, but we could eliminate so much
problems in the world if we recalibrated how we're using
these things like if we if we have access to
a basically zero sum energy source, like look at all

(34:06):
the ship you could do, then for all people that
don't have power, that don't have.

Speaker 2 (34:09):
Well to get conspiratorial, Like I think that's already been found.
And I think, you know, the people that have the
money from the traditional fuel sources don't want to lose
that power hydrogen. I think like to figure it out
a lot through with hydrogen.

Speaker 1 (34:26):
Kind of it is mad, isn't this that? Like so much?
Like I do think we're at that stage with like
capitalism is starting to not really mean anything, especially the
way things are going with the tech oligarchs and all
the rest of it and AI and possible universal vegas,
basic income and people being poor, and they kind of
go to a certain points you like, these lads seem

(34:46):
to just want everything. They want to own all the
water they wanted, They want to own everything, Like how
why you talk You talked earlier, I don't know if
it was last episode. I think it was last to
the mini fos, but you talked about people getting interrogated
these true crime documentaries and the lack of regard that

(35:08):
they had for the people they killed and if you
see these lads that are in control of everything. Yes,
probably yeah, like if you have the capacity to do
these things, or maybe it's just there's so much red
tape around trying to do something to equal the playing
field that you just give up. Because I suppose you
could say, by our centers, all right, well why don't
you give half of your money and do this and

(35:29):
do that. And the reason that I wouldn't is because
it won't matter, it won't change anything.

Speaker 2 (35:34):
Yeah. I got analga I read for all the sort
of apparently all the tech kind of big sort of
tech billionaires and millionaires are now trying to like build
like safe houses and like bug out places and all that.
But like some of medical grap point where it was like,
you know, basically what they're doing is like you know,

(35:57):
they're building a house in the forest and then setting
fire to the far Yeah you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (36:02):
That's the point.

Speaker 2 (36:03):
Yeah, because it's like user the people that actually have
a bit of agency and can actually do the change,
but instead you're just making hay while the sunshines and
then just fucking burning down everything. I don't care.

Speaker 1 (36:15):
Realistic way to just carry yourself, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (36:21):
Because it seems a lot of time lately as well,
like that, you know, there's just so much odds with
like there's so many different things at odds with each
other that are like there's like glaring gaps of margin
where it's like, you know, this way of like we're
doing this is better for you, and and established things
come out and then on the other hand, and there's
like forces that are totally opposite appalls into that and

(36:45):
they're just like no, no, you keep on going the
way you're going there.

Speaker 1 (36:48):
Well, even though people are like climates, yeah, is a
real problem, and that was the predominant.

Speaker 2 (36:54):
It's just been effiscated as much now as so much now,
like like the the argument has been so obfiscated that
people now are like afraid to even said their opinion
and be don't have an opinion, and see it's like
if you do speak out, people are like, oh, well,

(37:16):
that's only this agenda or that's that agenda. And it's
been obfuscouted that much that like people aren't even.

Speaker 1 (37:22):
People don't know, but it's.

Speaker 2 (37:24):
Totally out of their hands. Like as I get older
as well, I start to realize more and I'm just like,
you know what, like there's there's stuff around you in
your direct vicinity that if it improves your life to do,
whether it be psychologically or physically or spiritually, whatever you
want to say it, then do it. But like, don't
been over backwards and know, fuck yourself over so much

(37:46):
worrying about it because.

Speaker 1 (37:47):
Like Ireland, Ireland has less than one percent of the
global discharge of energy and pollution. Well, one person in
Ireland divide that by, divide one percent by takes a million,
and that's like your contribution. Probably not because you're talking
about all the industries, so it's not even it's nice
again if you go like the crypt, the.

Speaker 2 (38:17):
Crypt, and yeah, and you you've done the same. Like
but if you if you're from a town or city,
a small town or city like sub a million people
and you'll go to say Tokyo, m hmm, it just
puts into perspective like it's supposed to.

Speaker 1 (38:35):
Locally or is just completely put I think that was
the thing and I was always kind of saying, look
like like it doesn't really matter what we do because
China are going to do what they do and of.

Speaker 2 (38:46):
That, but they're like China and all are really excelent
now because they're not tied up with the broco barac
bureaucracy of America and the West, and they're not like
arguing about like fucking trans people.

Speaker 1 (39:00):
They're just like or it's it's a really weird thing
when like you see these global leaders talking and when
Geping is like, you're like, oh yeah, he's like making
the most sense, Like he's you're listening to just going
everything you're saying seems like the other lad is like
who stopped the escalator? Why is my fucking teleprom or
not working? Like and the other lad is just going

(39:22):
like everyone can win, everyone can have a good amount
of stuff.

Speaker 2 (39:26):
Pretty cool, yeah, big time. And I'm not like, you know,
our our platform, this isn't within the arena of our
platform or our podcast. But like I've said it before
that like you know, obviously China has his problems, but
like any of those countries now, they're just putting their
head down and doing their fucking thing. Kind then it's.

Speaker 1 (39:49):
Like we follow on, yeah, but we're coming up in
a time and we're kind of going, oh yeah, like
this will be grand and that's all great and blah
blah blah, but like this is the way empires go.
It's cyclical. They rise and they fall. We can't expend
expect for everything to continue as it does. The only
thing I think we might be lucky about is that
Europe has a different stance on a lot of the

(40:12):
stuff that's going on right now. No one really knows
what's going to happen, but it seems very unlikely, or
it seems more unlikely by the day, that America is
going to be able to pull itself out of this
downward spiral unless they do something. You might make the
argument that Trump is doing something, but then you read
these alternate like, you know, they're saying we have to
get rid of the you know, thirty five trillion deficit

(40:33):
or whatever it is. But then like people are saying, yeah,
but he's creating more of a deficit by doing X,
Y and Z and this, that and the other. And
I don't know who's telling the truth. So I just go, ah, right,
nothing to do with me. I'll just go to my
job and do what I have to do.

Speaker 2 (40:46):
Yeah, well, we're not over there, so it doesn't in ways,
it doesn't contire us too much, but it also does
because we're part of the system.

Speaker 1 (40:55):
Assured by the absolutely but the thing that's interesting is
that American has always exported its culture.

Speaker 4 (41:03):
Yeah, and.

Speaker 1 (41:05):
At a certain point it may not be able to.

Speaker 2 (41:08):
But I don't think I don't think people are drinking
up the American culture as much as though are.

Speaker 1 (41:12):
Like, well, I think even Canadians or what, it's twenty
five percent down their tourism. There's a huge tourist market
obviously because they're right next door. But then you see
your man talking to Mark Arney and like it's as
civil as it can be.

Speaker 2 (41:26):
Well, like, okay, it's not all down the gloom. I mean,
you know, there's Jesus. I mean, you can't you can't
tire all of the state. It's one brusche like.

Speaker 1 (41:37):
Of course, that's very good.

Speaker 2 (41:39):
There's a lot of great things going on in America
in general, like just there really is. But like I think, no,
when you I just think that we and Ireland is
the same, and I think England is the same. We're
kind of locked in this weird bureaucracy kind of thing

(41:59):
now where everything moves glacially and trying to get anything
fucking done, Like the Iron anything.

Speaker 1 (42:06):
Is they were able to do X, Y and Z
during COVID it's possible. It's just the girls in there.
They say someone was saying a politician, I can't remember
who it was, but they were basically saying that the
Irish government is so pre concerned with like risk risk,
so they're not doing it and.

Speaker 2 (42:26):
They're spending, which is also an action. So like to
do nothing is all sort to do something. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
So like doing nothing is an option and it has
its and it has its ramifications. So you can't by
doing as little as possible and trying to stay within
this marriage and where you're not pissing off anyone, it's

(42:46):
still it's just as bad as like making drastic changes
that fucking off people. It's the same thing. As a
matter of fact, that's probably why we're having a rise
of like like a sort of a right way of thinking,
because it's like we want someone that comes along and
fixes things and doesn't fuck around, doesn't fanny around for
fucking months, and he just says he's going to do

(43:08):
something he'll do and that's usually.

Speaker 1 (43:10):
How that should happens about the personality, that's where it happens.

Speaker 2 (43:12):
Yeah, but that's that's usually how it happens. It's like
like they're sponsibly building a round about on the botom
of this role for the last year and a half,
and like that they haven't done it because it's probably
like the bureaucracy of like putting in a round about.

Speaker 1 (43:26):
It's like what if this happens? So like if you're
an urban planner, like what are you doing when you
go to work? You know what I mean? Like like
it's just why like even the fucking children's hospital.

Speaker 2 (43:36):
Yeah, Like I don't get me.

Speaker 1 (43:37):
I understand that construction has been very strange the last
number of years, but that's the last number of decades.
Like it's it's insane.

Speaker 2 (43:46):
But that's what I'm saying. It's like to get back
to kind of the point is like that's why countries
like China and all are just able to move very
quickly because they do have chi yeah, cheaping.

Speaker 1 (43:56):
But then you need a benevolent to dictate.

Speaker 2 (44:00):
Well that's that's literally There.

Speaker 1 (44:02):
Seems to be a lot of people that would actually say, like, yeah,
I'd rather just have a dictator at this stage.

Speaker 2 (44:07):
Well, like I mean, look, I don't know what it's
like as we practically have a dictated work just have forever. Yeah,
we kind of yeah, we do. Yeah, we're plubs, so
we we would continue to be plubs in China. So
I don't know what the life of a plub is
like in China the average. But what I don't know
is the only stuff that I know is from actually

(44:29):
talking to Chinese people. I actually talked to quite a
few Chinese people back in the day, and their work
mark like work life things. Yeah, forget that, there's no
there is no life, which is a bit.

Speaker 1 (44:42):
As they're progressing. My understanding is that the workers now,
because you know, technology is going along, they're progressing, so
now they have to start to cater to that. So
it's almost like even in Europe as the same like
when there was a recession here, work life went out
the window, and it will again when there is again,
and all the rights won't matter. Everyone will be scrambling
for a job. And it's like I'm you know, supply

(45:04):
and demand. In China, though, it does seem like they're
putting more attention to that because ultimately, like when you
start to have everything, you don't need to move as
fast and you don't need to like keep going at
that speed.

Speaker 2 (45:15):
I wonder our listeners, you have to tell now that
we've got a big fat enveloped from Chi last week.

Speaker 1 (45:20):
Let's say, what do you think. Let's say it's coming
through IDL Chi if you're Chi Chi Chi g ping
ping ping. If you're listening, listen, man, we'll do a
comedy gig in read. We don't give a fuck, like
we'll we'll toe for the Red Army.

Speaker 2 (45:35):
Yeah, well we'll do the read version.

Speaker 1 (45:37):
Do you want to start talking about how like you're
just your your military exercise is very important.

Speaker 2 (45:44):
Let us know, special military appression. Yeah, we'll pedal any
ship for the right price. Wander So what are we
even talking about?

Speaker 1 (45:52):
Get into skeptic.

Speaker 2 (45:54):
So yeah, So skeptics have been skeptical about this, as
they usually are. So the proposed an alternative to these sightings,
and I think it's very much non et. One common
suggestion is that it may have been a classified military

(46:15):
or experimental craft, or some kind of drone or some
kind of atmospheric sensor platform that was misinterpreted under limited
visibility or limited witness perspectives. The red color may have
been due to lighting or sensor artifacts, as being all
red is a good sensor color if you have a
flashing sensor. Red is a solid choice red and then

(46:40):
orange is good. Blue can be good, but blue.

Speaker 1 (46:43):
Seems like there's a bit of a blue over there,
like Red kind of goes hey do something, whereas millw
and Green are kind of like grand lads in your
own time.

Speaker 2 (46:54):
Others argue with that memory fallibility, story embellishment over time,
and the natural human tendency to match unusual phenomena to
familiar shapes could lead to exaggeration, turning an ambiguous areal
object into a square. It's basically all.

Speaker 1 (47:09):
These professional skeptics. You could have woken either of us
out of a drunken stupor and we're going to come
up with the same ideas.

Speaker 2 (47:15):
Yeah, yeah, so like it's mad even that. Like I
actually think that these guys are as much of a
charlatan as the charlatan's stories for sure, because it's like
they're literally doing like the capital obvious routine.

Speaker 1 (47:29):
It could be just a spot on the sensors.

Speaker 2 (47:31):
Well done, genius.

Speaker 1 (47:32):
Well here's here's these lads who are like Navy and
Brian Dunning.

Speaker 2 (47:38):
Well done, lads, out of here, fucking assholes. Do you
want a straightener, I'll give you a fucking straightener. Man
will do celebrity boxing.

Speaker 1 (47:46):
You want to knock.

Speaker 2 (47:48):
Who wants to go celebrity boxing, will do celebrity boxing.
I don't get invited to celebrity creator flash or something.
It's the YouTube boxing things like sol bombs run, so
we do that. But that actually, by the way, just
to go off on a little tangent of watching YouTuber's box,

(48:10):
that is like literally watching it's like the special Olympics
or something like what what is this?

Speaker 1 (48:16):
What's not surprising?

Speaker 2 (48:17):
What's it for?

Speaker 1 (48:18):
Like it creates more content?

Speaker 2 (48:22):
I say, yeah, I seen like the Ego raptor fella
got in. It's just a good top.

Speaker 1 (48:27):
The fellow who does the game, Danny.

Speaker 2 (48:31):
Rapp who was in mix before with only Uhay Ego
rat and he's in there, fucking he's in their.

Speaker 1 (48:41):
Boxing rabbit punches and do you have any style or
form of course not so just when we had boxing
like just content.

Speaker 2 (48:51):
It's just but it's like, why, why stupid? I was
watching that and I was just going, this is fucking dumb.

Speaker 1 (48:58):
And who did Ego ter fight?

Speaker 2 (49:01):
Who did he fight? Oh? He fought there was a
bit of a mis smash. He fought that epic meal time. Dude.
He gave him a big beard, yeah, and a lot
of minced beef.

Speaker 1 (49:13):
But he met the ship out there? Does anyone are
you allowed trained before this? If you want to, like.

Speaker 2 (49:24):
It's battle stuff now, Like, I can't imagine a worse bet.
I spend my time like I usually say I might
if I'm doing anything working at the thing, I'll put
on like YouTube drama and I'll just watch all these idiots.

Speaker 1 (49:36):
What is the YouTube drama these days?

Speaker 2 (49:38):
The last Hassan.

Speaker 1 (49:42):
Was giving out about asthmen gold is it?

Speaker 2 (49:44):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (49:44):
And Hassan was caught electric hit his dog with a
shot collar on stream. Uh, everyone's there's a lot of
memes now about like Hassan's dog wearing like an Israeli
flag and being oppressed by.

Speaker 1 (50:03):
And so I having I know nothing about this, so
I'm assuming it's not like a reason when the dog's barker,
he's just trying to upset the dog.

Speaker 2 (50:11):
So all the streamers like to have their little set
behind him, you know. Yeah, And Hassan has a little
dog bed in the background that his dog sleeps on.
Now it's quite concerning because the dog is literally fixed
to that one spot for like fucking four hours of
a stream and doesn't matter. And saw recently on a
stream like a sand was giving out about fucking Zionus

(50:34):
or something, as he often does, and the dog got
up off the bed and like he reached for something
and what looked like he pressed on and then the
dog let out the help and then got back into
the bed and.

Speaker 1 (50:47):
So like the ups or we're not sure, but we
more than likely.

Speaker 2 (50:52):
But that's the latest drama. As Mangal. Then I put
him on the other day and I.

Speaker 1 (50:57):
Was like this, I don't know what's going on with him.
I see small clips.

Speaker 2 (51:01):
It's bizarres like asthmen call like was known as the
guy who like lives in his own ship and pasce
and like just was like this like absolute mess and.

Speaker 1 (51:09):
Was that what he U said?

Speaker 2 (51:10):
Yeah, he was the guy that just like like literally
lit d he literally lives like like there was lads
in this town mentalers when when you were young and
like you'd run past her house at the school because
you could smell the piass and like the boxes of
corn flex all over the floor and all that. He's
like that, right, But but the thing is like and
this is kind of shows you about where the world

(51:31):
is now, like he has one of the largest platforms
on the internet. Like he's one of the most prominent voices,
and you're like, what, like this was like like this dude,
if it was the nineties, like I'd be running past
his house like as a kid, I'd be like, this
guy is fucking meant And I know. Look, don't get
me wrong. If you watch this, if you watch some

(51:52):
of his content, some of the things he says, you're like, yeah,
grand but all these all these can't think guys, uh moist, critical,
all design or like most of it is just like
captain obvious opinions on things.

Speaker 1 (52:03):
Just to stay reasonable. It's literally just a reasonable just
be reasonable.

Speaker 2 (52:11):
Like critical is just like a reasonable guy critical average
name reasonable and.

Speaker 1 (52:20):
The most reasonable name so far.

Speaker 2 (52:22):
Yeah, you know you're normal. Its critical. He's Penguins is
his YouTube channel name. He looks kind of like fucking
I don't know, kenn Reeves, but a hotwa wash or something.

Speaker 1 (52:33):
That fell and they just play video games and reasonable.

Speaker 3 (52:41):
Society reasonable.

Speaker 2 (52:44):
I'm just gonna play residentval and be reasonable. But it's
just because all of the YouTube contact credits are totally
like acoustic.

Speaker 1 (52:52):
Out of the door.

Speaker 2 (52:53):
Oh yeah, So it's it's just like it's all like us.
You're like all these this is our like their arena.
But the asthmen all found like it's mad because I'm
looking at him and I'm like, this fella. Literally in
any other reality would be like drawing in a mental
home or something. There would have been an intervention called
in on him, like I.

Speaker 1 (53:13):
Know he's probably and now he's like a millionaire.

Speaker 2 (53:16):
Now he's like literally one of the biggest influencers on
the Internet of people's opinion. And you're like.

Speaker 1 (53:22):
Even need big TVs or like it's.

Speaker 2 (53:24):
Isn't it all? Isn't it mental? Like isn't a mental
that if you walk up in the bed with like
cupsier bits around, like bags like and like loads of
fast food still like that I don't know, and all
fast food arounds and all big bags of it all
up around your bed and everything, and you got up
and you just played Wow for twelve hours a day
and you're one of the biggest And.

Speaker 1 (53:45):
There was lads like that you knew in college and
lads like that though went to our college known through people,
and I was like, oh wow, this is how you live.

Speaker 2 (53:55):
You know.

Speaker 1 (53:55):
They didn't make it as YouTube sensation.

Speaker 2 (53:58):
This is is the number this is this is like
one of the number one.

Speaker 1 (54:03):
Have you think I think of like like Stranger Things
as a TV show and the amount of production and
talk writing and this fella just this is in a cup,
plays video games, rages and tries to be written. I
don't know if all his opinions are reasonable. Maybe they're not.

Speaker 2 (54:19):
Asm goll Is, by the way, not reasonable at times.
But the most critical fella is fairly risle. He's just like,
you're just like, all right, okay, this is like a
fairly lukewarm tech Most of the time.

Speaker 1 (54:30):
He just sits and plays video games and lukewarm and
the pros of this, which leads me to believe the
underlying cloud nation.

Speaker 2 (54:41):
That's exactly. And you're like, okay, cool, and then you go.

Speaker 6 (54:44):
Oh, he's so smart because he's able to be reasonable exactly.

Speaker 2 (54:49):
That's basically that's basically the lies like, but yeah, it's
a strange time we're in. All these dudes. I don't
really watch many of them, but when I'm doing something
on the computer, I'll stick them off something in the background.
I don't even watch any of the man twitch, which
is the funny part. It's like I don't watch any Twitch,
like I literally haven't been on that website and probably
fucking their revenues.

Speaker 1 (55:09):
Then, so they're getting YouTube because.

Speaker 2 (55:10):
There's streaming that streaming and then so that the moist
like he's been doing like ten years more probably ten
to fifteen years.

Speaker 1 (55:17):
But it is mad to just be able to make
loads of money and literally the boys don't need anything.
They're just in their ring and playing video.

Speaker 2 (55:24):
Now his content could be like like the mice criticles
could be like, oh, I'm going to just make a
video where I talk about like what's his name, master
Ll fucking that's the kickboxer Andrew Taste. Yeah, like he'll oh,
I'm just want to do a video about it.

Speaker 1 (55:42):
And he just tries to find out if Andrew Tite
is reasonable, if anything Andrew Tate says is reasonable.

Speaker 2 (55:47):
Yeah, they were an obviously it is probably disciplined, probably
said Andrew is a bit fucking.

Speaker 1 (55:53):
Mad, like yeah, which I think is it?

Speaker 2 (55:55):
Which is like yeah, it's like guysed the take of
like what most people would feel and they're like okay,
and you're like thanks for that then, but that's I
suppose really what it is. What the boils down to
is like the most of the people that are on
the internet consuming this content are like young teenagers and teenagers.

(56:16):
One of the things teenagers were all trying to do
is like find voices that they can relate to and
that represent them and feel that they can connect with.
So yeah, you get all these You get teenagers like
most critical who were like, oh, this guy has reasonable text,
I don't fight, And you have teenagers who are pissing
into bottles and fucking you know, shooting into a McDonald's
fucking cup and they go, oh, yeah, I watch asthma cold,

(56:39):
do you know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (56:40):
And so consider using the toilet at all?

Speaker 4 (56:43):
Or no.

Speaker 2 (56:44):
I think it was in the way of stretch back
in the you know right, maybe streaming.

Speaker 1 (56:48):
So I can't say, lads, I can't take a probably
a break here to do a piss or a ship
not unasy? Is that?

Speaker 2 (56:55):
What is guild man? You know what I mean? With
the guilds really can't be sucking around. But look, you know,
none of them are at least I don't know, but
I think none of them are actually bad people. But
it's just it's funny looking at it, you know, I
suppose we're a little bit older now that I'm and
I think you're just kind of going, all right, that's interesting. Well,

(57:16):
the thing is fair play.

Speaker 1 (57:17):
How many people do you have that are like older
than us again, who are sort of looking to twitch
YouTubers to tell them.

Speaker 2 (57:26):
No one, I don't know. I don't think.

Speaker 1 (57:28):
So, So who do you think is like what are
fifty year olds? Who are they looking at Facebook?

Speaker 2 (57:34):
They're on Facebook. They're on Facebook looking at their names
and like they're getting Facebook. I don't know who the
but they they'd be looking at more of the older
bracket stuff probably like you know, I would even say.

Speaker 1 (57:46):
It, like John Stuart Yeah, and even.

Speaker 2 (57:49):
Like the likes even probably likes of Stephen Crowder and
all them like they'll yeah, but.

Speaker 1 (57:54):
They're probably Daily Warrior cunts.

Speaker 2 (57:56):
Like it's funny, kind of just kind of a natural
thing that happens, Like all of our listeners are buying
large our edge group, and that just kind of happens.
It's just kind of filters down and culturally and all
that the people that listen to us are people that
kind of grew up around the same time as us
consumes the reference, yeah exactly. And then the older heads

(58:19):
that listen to us. Are the older heads that grew
up with your Patterson and Gameland, they grow up with
your lockneest stuff, yeah, and all of that stuff. So
so it makes sense like whereas probably there's a lot
less younger people coming into this field because there's not
as much compelling big foot stuff anymore, there's not as
much compelling lockneest stuff as more. Now they're still young
people getting into it, of course, but I would say

(58:41):
that it's not exactly an exciting thing for the younger
generations nowadays. Those lads like when when me and youre teenagers,
we're into into this stuff. But those lads nowadays are
probably off on the internet consuming asmen golder or moist
critical like like that's probably what they're doing, do you

(59:01):
know what I mean? And where they're spending their time.
So it's a twenty times rain. But they are all
dabble in political content as well, like two degree, like
they wouldn't say, but it's so they wouldn't say they're political,
but like, well they probably do actually, but is very
much political. But the other two lads, like they will

(59:21):
talk about politics and you're like, all right, okay, yeah.

Speaker 1 (59:24):
What's your we never started off as a political podcast,
and we still aren't, but we're brushing up against it
a lot more recently because it's so chaotic.

Speaker 2 (59:31):
Think we always have probably to be fair. I think
if we go back throughout the podcast, we've probably always
talked about it. But yeah, we have done because I mean,
fucking early on what's his name was fucking George Floyd
and all was murdered and all that, so that like
we would have been talking about that. So yeah, the Internet,

(59:53):
man is funny. I'm consuming a lot of it lately.
The aliens. Do we need anymore on these? What do
we got?

Speaker 1 (01:00:00):
There's something about the twenty twenty five years.

Speaker 2 (01:00:02):
I said, I wanted the box the UFO guys, that's
where we went to. That's where we went to.

Speaker 1 (01:00:06):
Oh, Mick West, Bryan Donning. Yeah, so that a whole
lot left. I think that's probably a good place.

Speaker 2 (01:00:12):
I can actually fight. I can fight both on them
on I think, yeah, I'd say, because I've got John Bottom,
so I.

Speaker 1 (01:00:18):
Can give Mick West.

Speaker 2 (01:00:20):
Doesn't he looks too versus one.

Speaker 1 (01:00:23):
Bryan Dunning is a bit of a bigger fellow.

Speaker 2 (01:00:25):
Brian Donning says, Brian Donning, I'd have to take him
out first. Nick West is a bit mister barnsy, so
i'd be.

Speaker 1 (01:00:32):
Yeah, he might be wiley. No, no, no, fellas they're
like there're they're slippery, like you get him in a
headlock and they do these weird like slimy moves the.

Speaker 2 (01:00:42):
Way you know he'd stick a finger. Gards. Yeah, him
in a headlock and stick a finger. So on the
next carriage. The rules, it's just one man.

Speaker 1 (01:00:59):
Leaves, Mike West versus Brian Dunning.

Speaker 2 (01:01:02):
No, no, maybe.

Speaker 1 (01:01:03):
Versus winner fights.

Speaker 2 (01:01:06):
Maybe versus two.

Speaker 1 (01:01:07):
We could do a Tornado tag team you and me versus.

Speaker 2 (01:01:11):
That wouldn't be fair though, destroy the two bad news
maybe versus the fine. Yeah, and then if maybe you
can come in if I get killed or.

Speaker 1 (01:01:21):
Something, do like an s n K game. If you
get knocked out, I'll come in. Whoever's left. I don't
mind going first either, give the two boys.

Speaker 2 (01:01:30):
Whatever whatever suits because they're talking a big game, talking
a lot of trash, smug smary.

Speaker 1 (01:01:35):
You don't have enough.

Speaker 2 (01:01:36):
Torque in your hips to hit me a fishing Oh jesus,
I've decided that I'm physically going to threaten them with violence, so.

Speaker 1 (01:01:44):
That's actually allowed to do that now, because no, you can't.

Speaker 2 (01:01:49):
People get officerious.

Speaker 1 (01:01:50):
But even though you got, I'm actually making it.

Speaker 2 (01:01:52):
Yeah, people get officerious if you say on the box
the head off and we don't.

Speaker 1 (01:01:55):
We don't. Yeah, especially if you're in town. You just
pointed box ahead and just jogging.

Speaker 3 (01:02:01):
It's just jogging, Like, yeah, that's ridiculous.

Speaker 1 (01:02:05):
But we don't have the hate speech put on.

Speaker 2 (01:02:08):
Brother, Yeah, fight whoever?

Speaker 1 (01:02:10):
Like, yeah, imagine that I need to get a day
off while I'm fighting in a zist celebrity YouTube boxing
match and I've been training for this for weeks.

Speaker 2 (01:02:22):
Like, but it is like the whole the whole leadership box.
I think it's all fucking true.

Speaker 1 (01:02:26):
But even the celebrity box and stuff is dumb, Like
it's all.

Speaker 2 (01:02:30):
What's that ahead of? Like it's just fun.

Speaker 1 (01:02:32):
Just we're running out of ship, we're running out of
just dumb. We're just running out of stuff. None of
it matters anymore. If we have more TV shows to
watch than we ever did in any time in human history. No,
like doesn't matter, nothing matters anymore, Like it doesn't. Yeah,
like what what do you like? We can do anything

(01:02:52):
we want to do. Poor people are now fat we've
we've changed everything around, and now.

Speaker 2 (01:02:59):
What prope black patch right, because there's enough because it
used to.

Speaker 1 (01:03:03):
Be whore you couldn't. It's not their fault, it's that
cheap foods are full of processed shite, and.

Speaker 2 (01:03:11):
Which again shows you how like corporations actually run the show,
because like, obviously it's not beneficial for a government to
have an obese population, like yeah, but they don't have
the way to be able to actually stop the corporations.

Speaker 1 (01:03:29):
They keep they keep putting tacks on fucking cigarettes and alcohol.

Speaker 2 (01:03:32):
And they're doing a decent job on it are but
we still have one of the most obese populations, I
think Ireland's big obese fucking population here.

Speaker 1 (01:03:41):
But I think a big part of that is just
obviously processed foods are a huge thing. But it lies
we We didn't used to sit down and watch Asmin
Gold or whoever, like you know, you used to be
out on the town a lot more fast. Even when
you and me first started hanging around together, we were
walking miles a day, like walking.

Speaker 2 (01:03:58):
Around unhinged amount like yeah, probably like twenty care easy, yeah, yeah,
walking around the like hay steps by the way. Yeah,
but like no, it would have been.

Speaker 1 (01:04:10):
And now even trying to get in especially Look when
you're working eight hours a day, it's tricky. Like even
before this, I just had to do like a quick
half hour the workout, just because otherwise I would have
done not in all day, you know, to try to
feel something I don't bother mars and you should just
eat your processed food.

Speaker 2 (01:04:29):
Sit down.

Speaker 1 (01:04:30):
Watch what's your.

Speaker 2 (01:04:30):
Man's most critical?

Speaker 1 (01:04:32):
Moist critical?

Speaker 2 (01:04:34):
Watch him if you want some reasonable.

Speaker 1 (01:04:36):
You see, I've seen him talk of the reasonable ghost.
It is like the most unreasonable name for the most
reasonable man.

Speaker 2 (01:04:43):
Give me a reasonable reticle to tell me how I
should live moist critical, Like, what the fuck has happened?

Speaker 3 (01:04:53):
It's like one if they done to us like this the.

Speaker 2 (01:04:57):
Same easy and that's being all of the It's like, yeah,
reasonable texts or you get your shipping in McDonald's copse.

Speaker 1 (01:05:09):
This life just needs to stop.

Speaker 2 (01:05:12):
It's so stupid. The more tomorrow time you spend online,
the more you're just like fuck.

Speaker 1 (01:05:18):
Maybe even when you talk about what's on, there's a
part of your soul that just goes you like what
is going on?

Speaker 2 (01:05:26):
That's why you're better off? Like I guarantee you and
it's a cool thing. A lot of our listeners don't
know any of those people. And I truly don't believe
that because ours listeners are enlightened and andrew into the
kind of the more intelligent.

Speaker 1 (01:05:46):
Glass of wine.

Speaker 2 (01:05:49):
Anybody yea more influenced on our listeners to be depressed alcoholics.

Speaker 1 (01:05:55):
I don't think influence people our age very much. I
find that sure, the bad the holiday, it's just like
I don't know. The more I mean, like I've gotten
into the weeds on this where I get into like
this sort of nihilistic sistential, like what's the fucking point?

Speaker 2 (01:06:13):
Yeah, you do if the more of that stuff you watch, you.

Speaker 1 (01:06:17):
Like, what do you sort of like I'm watching a
boy twenty years younger than me play video games and
tell me what I should think.

Speaker 2 (01:06:24):
About both of them. Lands wouldn't be fair off ourage.
You would probably have most critical, is all right, because
it looks like AS's probably it looks like, oh yeah
he has or not like this is what like? But
this one is like the sage of the internet. Notice
I don't like you as well watch it.

Speaker 1 (01:06:44):
McDonald's bothers me about these as they like they use
the vernacular the parallelance of our time that I can understand,
Like even just we are so cooked, like what.

Speaker 3 (01:06:55):
The fuck is happening?

Speaker 2 (01:06:56):
Like, what the why are we making up? The last
all were cooked with dead as weird cooks. You know,
I don't even know what any of it. You need
to go No, watch asthmen Gold.

Speaker 1 (01:07:10):
I really don't.

Speaker 2 (01:07:11):
I really don't. I need to learn how to feel
about it.

Speaker 1 (01:07:14):
I know how to feel. I don't think watching asthmac
Gold is going to make me feel better about anything.
Watching asthmen Gold, Like I was.

Speaker 2 (01:07:23):
Watching him and he was talking, he was reacting to
the clips of his hand shocking his dog, and like
it was all just real obvious stuff, and you're going,
like what if you're just saying like the basic obvious
stuff like oh, I can't believe you're talking this dog,
Like that's really bad for the dog. You're like, oh, great,
take as thanks for that. That's really enhanced shocking, really bad.

(01:07:51):
It's like twenty This is the kind of ship I
never see the movie Dodgeball. It's like he's wearing a blindfold.

Speaker 1 (01:07:59):
Yeah Carton, he will find it difficult.

Speaker 2 (01:08:03):
Yeah, but that is exactly it.

Speaker 1 (01:08:05):
That's what we're good for.

Speaker 2 (01:08:06):
The dog, bro, that's what we're at. B that's and
that's like the five million views like thank you for
your service.

Speaker 1 (01:08:16):
That's vaked thousands dollars just saying he.

Speaker 2 (01:08:21):
Shocked the dog. That's good as we all have shipping
in like cop.

Speaker 1 (01:08:28):
And that's what I'm curious about it has his life
changed much or.

Speaker 2 (01:08:31):
Is he still he's still say he doesn't give.

Speaker 1 (01:08:35):
He's just a fucking just.

Speaker 4 (01:08:38):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:08:40):
As I am. Maybe you don't care.

Speaker 1 (01:08:49):
I do, to be fair, I do respect people that
don't care. I think when you're living your life from
a place of not care, there's a.

Speaker 2 (01:08:56):
Lot of people that don't care and recall like schizophrenic
or like not well.

Speaker 1 (01:09:00):
See, these fellows are clearly just like they're clearly neuro
divergent like oursels.

Speaker 2 (01:09:06):
But like I don't think we're that you're divergent. No,
we're like moist crisp Crisp. We're like Gamba. But they're
like Phoenix. They have like fall meut and powers. Why
we can only like set a carot on fire. They're
all they're just like who are just kind of cool? Yeah,

(01:09:29):
we're kind of cool. Does the larger look it's a
larger conjured up lightning and all.

Speaker 1 (01:09:37):
Just why would you throw a thing that like, surely
there's better takes to trot and playing card I suppose
there's fifty two of them. That's handy.

Speaker 2 (01:09:47):
Maybe it's just a visual representation for his kinectic abilities.

Speaker 1 (01:09:50):
I'm going to charge the medic energy and shoot you.

Speaker 2 (01:09:55):
Let's just shooting ye as I know is whenever anything happens,
I know what I'm God asthma all to tell me
how to feel. I'm gonna go from there. Then yeah,
and then anything playing as well for a bit of
like cracked out man.

Speaker 6 (01:10:08):
Show me how to live eating time, Please show me
how to live like I don't know, but it's it's just, yeah,
I don't know. Eating like I saw, he looks like
he looks like when I had makeup on to play
an old man in his school playing when I was seventeen.

Speaker 4 (01:10:25):
But he looks so fucking poorly the man he looks like, yeah,
looks he hasn't taken a ship. I don't know what's
gone otherwise I hate.

Speaker 1 (01:10:38):
The world is just gimped. Like I wouldn't be surprised
if we opened those gardens and everything was on fire.

Speaker 2 (01:10:44):
That's it. So no I think, Yeah, I think with
Ethan I'm always a bit reluctant on comment and his
apparents just because on Nicester's like.

Speaker 1 (01:10:52):
Appear that is a mean thing, to be fair. Yeah,
he does look like he's not doing I.

Speaker 2 (01:10:57):
Don't I don't actually care about it, Maine. But it's
Marcel just the guse Yeah something healthwic is this wrong
with him where it's like he's like lost a blunch
away because he's got the big mentally, but like it
could be but that's what it looks like to me.
It actually looks like his like his personality is distored
to them.

Speaker 1 (01:11:13):
How many lads have you seen that are clearly mental
but physically look good?

Speaker 2 (01:11:21):
You could say, I suppose I might know if a
few ones back in the day.

Speaker 1 (01:11:24):
I know, well, ones are different. Mental ones by and
large are much hotter than the same ones. Large mental
lads yeah rare, Yeah, with lads like very.

Speaker 2 (01:11:39):
Rare, unless it's like it's like psychotic or like narcissistic.

Speaker 1 (01:11:46):
But that's I wouldn't include them. This is proper. This
is like neurotic bad for me.

Speaker 2 (01:11:51):
Psychotic last would behave like asthma. Gold that live in
this town are like what you would call like local
meme characters that like everyone knows what's your mental That
would have been, but.

Speaker 1 (01:12:03):
There was just no Internet for them to literally like yeah,
like that's.

Speaker 2 (01:12:08):
Like you'd walk past your house and the kitchen looks
like something that resident Evil seven.

Speaker 1 (01:12:12):
But when you're making thousands of euro from talking shite,
but would you not just be like I get like
it's surely it's late, Like would you get someone in
to clean your shitty pass?

Speaker 2 (01:12:24):
He might don't know. I don't know, but I think
he was all very much like I don't want to
let anyone.

Speaker 1 (01:12:28):
What does he what does he? Is he just a
Hordor type character? What does he spend like what I've
seen him? He where's a white vest and talk? What
does he spend his money on?

Speaker 2 (01:12:38):
Like? Yeah, I just I don't know. It's weird because
we're we're we're in a time where even ourselves like
where with the power of the podcast and we can
influence anyone without really having proper qualification. Now that's a
good and a bad things, a double edged sword. But
dependulum can swain too far sometimes, and I think we've

(01:13:01):
actually swung too far away of idiocracy. Too many fucking
stupid concert rebel to influence people, and you know, hopefully
it finds a stat of square against soon. But I
do feel like we're.

Speaker 1 (01:13:14):
In I think our Internet is going to be the
Internet with AI and quantum computer is just going to
destroy whatever's left of this.

Speaker 2 (01:13:20):
I think it's going to create the opposite off fact.
I think, yeah, I think I think there could be
a mass rejection of the Internet in the Internet as
we know in the future. I think a lot of people.
I think if AI gets really spicy and.

Speaker 1 (01:13:33):
If you get a lot of Internet where yeah it's
all trash, Yeah it's all trash, it's all AI slop,
I think people will back off because right now it's
a snake eating its own tail.

Speaker 2 (01:13:42):
So what's happening now is I'm try and wrap it up.
What's happening now is so basically there's no incentive for
websites to make new content because Google's AI generated summer
is taking away the people from the sites. So now

(01:14:04):
Google are getting a market of one both. Google needs
the other websites to be able to do that. To summarize,
so what's happening is slap, you're getting nothing.

Speaker 1 (01:14:15):
You're getting AI creating they're getting them to create websites
in order to summarize themselves basically.

Speaker 2 (01:14:21):
Is that but that's what could happen. Yeah, if it
hasn't already, and then there's no incentive for people anymore
to so the money will be going out of websites
because the traffic is going on the websites, So then
the advertisement goes Yeah, so then the incentive do.

Speaker 1 (01:14:35):
They start to advertise on AI? Like is there something
that just.

Speaker 2 (01:14:38):
Like brought that is someone meta point? I only read
about this today where chatchep here now advertising on the app. Now,
if chatchap be here advertising, does that not tell you
that this multi trillion dollar fucking company is not working?
If it's if it's not effective enough that it's new.

Speaker 1 (01:14:56):
Business there there as was their business man to have
people pay into it so that they Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:15:03):
Or if it was a revolutionary it wouldn't need ad revenue.

Speaker 1 (01:15:07):
Yeah no, But I'm just trying to figure out where
the money came from because I've used it a bunch
of times, but like I've never paidh proper.

Speaker 2 (01:15:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:15:14):
But I think part of it as well is that, like,
because all of these companies are based on infinite growth
and stake shareholder pleasing basically that you have to constantly
try and make more money. At a certain point, things plateau,
like you can't make more money on something at certain point,
and things will fluctuate, but like the only thing to

(01:15:36):
do if you have like, well, we've reached saturation point
for the amount of people that we can get to
pay into this, and it's like, yeah, so put on
ads on it. And then when the ads is that
it goes right now, put ads on this tier so
that you have to pay more money to not have
ads when you're on that, and it's the same shit
you see with the reason that you watch an hour
long TV show or forty five minutes and it's an
hour and a half with all the ads, like like

(01:15:56):
and that's the old model with cable. Just keep going
down that way because people were like when is enough
money enough? And then, as we talked about with the oligarchs,
doesn't seem like it's ever enough. So you just end
up at this fucking zero some game full of massive
numbers that doesn't really mean anything, and we basically are
no happier. We have loads more shit and we're probably

(01:16:20):
getting worse off because of it, and now we're listening
to Moist crisp or.

Speaker 2 (01:16:24):
Whatever its crispical. Yeah, look, well there, Thanks for listening, folks.
I've been wrapped. I've been aiming master follows over and out.