The Dark Forest Theory

The dark forest hypothesis is the conjecture that many alien civilizations exist throughout the universe, but they are both silent and hostile, maintaining their undetectability for fear of being destroyed by another hostile and undetected civilization. It is one of many possible explanations of the Fermi paradox, which contrasts the lack of contact with alien life with the potential for such contact. The hypothesis derives its name from Liu Cixin's 2008 novel The Dark Forest, although the concept predates the novel.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:02):
A crypt and this is a script. I want a
quick and use against my enemies. Yeah, you see, you
wanted to say, and then a little raise you, but
appleget you.

Speaker 2 (00:18):
From the wild? Hello everyone, what is up? I rob
I am Monster falls once again?

Speaker 1 (00:33):
Always monster fulls.

Speaker 2 (00:34):
Like when you brush your teet in the morning, Yeah,
it's going to be there.

Speaker 1 (00:37):
And you have to brush it at night as well.
There again, sometimes brush it in the middle of the
day there after your lunch. Three transfers twice a week
kind of an affair of but what.

Speaker 2 (00:47):
Do you do twice a week if you have an
unhealthy arst, your shipping only twice.

Speaker 1 (00:52):
A week, Yeah, you're getting quite bloaded.

Speaker 2 (00:54):
Yeah, but some people do shit twice. We'd probably have
a very processed diet.

Speaker 1 (00:58):
Yeah, not not great.

Speaker 2 (01:00):
Great. What would you say someone that eats.

Speaker 1 (01:05):
I drive to Dublin twice week?

Speaker 2 (01:07):
Yeah for your commute.

Speaker 1 (01:08):
For my commute, Monster was much more enjoyable than driving
to Dublin.

Speaker 2 (01:12):
Yeah, if you're shitting twice a week, you're eating, Like,
what does that diet look like? It's probably like you're
having takeaways maybe two to three times a week. And
when I said, would be.

Speaker 1 (01:20):
Like eating those baby biscuits. What do they go to?

Speaker 2 (01:23):
Amount of biscuits. Amount of biscuits, A solid amount.

Speaker 1 (01:26):
It's a real heavy diet.

Speaker 2 (01:29):
A good amount of biscuits. Crisps, A couple of bags
of crisps.

Speaker 1 (01:33):
Probably might thrown A bit of cheese melted. I would
imagine cheese on toast.

Speaker 2 (01:38):
I had a pit of breads, a whole mal pit
of bread some cheese melted in the thrilled.

Speaker 1 (01:44):
All melted cheese, just like has there ever been a
thing that melt the cheese didn't improve.

Speaker 2 (01:50):
And live like top things cheese?

Speaker 1 (01:53):
Imagine, just like cheese, like this tastes amazing. I wonder
what would happen if I made it melty, like oh,
it's it's.

Speaker 2 (02:00):
Changes good like cheese, Like you know when you're like
half cock. We we do a Christmas with the muld wine,
but sometimes a Christmas ideas I'll have the port and
cheese and crackers, and there's just something about the decade.

Speaker 1 (02:16):
Somewhere in the middle you want to really just fucking
seeking yourself and destroy your inside. Have a bit of
honey to your point or whatever associated alcohol, A bit
of honey, bit of cheese and a grape put it
on put it on a bourgeois cracker.

Speaker 2 (02:35):
That's like.

Speaker 1 (02:38):
You're just straight, like three pounds game before you swallow.

Speaker 2 (02:43):
It, like, man, that's just good man. It is good.

Speaker 1 (02:45):
Though. There's something lovely about sitting there like Robert cheese,
grapes especially like gause.

Speaker 2 (02:52):
You're like speed running.

Speaker 1 (02:53):
You're basically spear. Yeah, you're getting that swollen guto. You're
all fucked up.

Speaker 2 (02:59):
Let's cat ship on my that's and you know what
it's sometimes it's little moments like that that make me
thankful for life. Yeah. Sometimes people go like, you know, all,
I'm not doing this big joy. I don't know, just
money whatever whatever.

Speaker 1 (03:11):
But Tesco cheese man, or if you want to right
the cure depression, you go down to fucking Tescos now tomorrow.

Speaker 2 (03:18):
It gets yourself autproshoot all platter, yeah, good good show,
Get crackers, get a cracker, selection cheese.

Speaker 1 (03:24):
This is in the DSM lads research.

Speaker 2 (03:27):
And then you get yourself olives if you're of that equation,
like a nice bit of that persuasion of that equation.
And then some wine, some port.

Speaker 1 (03:37):
And wine is a well known depression slayer. Now it's
just the dragon come back twice as strong when you
sober up.

Speaker 2 (03:45):
When you're talking. That bite out of food that's not
any Just just take that moment to appreciate it. Just
bite into the flavors, the textures, and that's all the
earthly delights right there is happening on your tongue.

Speaker 1 (04:00):
It's the equivalent of metening. But it's totally legal, and
you don't have to feel shameful as a shameful. You
don't feel as a shame.

Speaker 2 (04:09):
I'm thankful a lot that I get that from Phil
because I'm like, I think I'm pretty diabetic now, then.

Speaker 1 (04:14):
That's that's obviously. Maybe you should have given the listeners
the whole picture of this.

Speaker 2 (04:19):
I'm trying to get real tired after I like carbs
and sound like fall asleep Like.

Speaker 1 (04:24):
That could just be age catching up. Let's hope it's
not pretty diabetes, but you should it's pretty right.

Speaker 2 (04:31):
Honestly, I've been snacking a lot the last couple of years.
I've been kind of like.

Speaker 1 (04:38):
Much for us. If I do snack, it's usually a
rice cake with peanut butter honey logic. But I have
to because my guts are haunted by a freak. I
can be addictive with that but there is to your
point again the office, it's like a euphoric feeling of ingesting.

(04:59):
You know, simps to kill mill.

Speaker 2 (05:00):
Just keep it simple, man, that's that's you know you
need to And there's also moments this is this is
a mental health fuzz at the start.

Speaker 1 (05:07):
These are our tricks to it's not joking.

Speaker 2 (05:12):
There's moments where I'm sitting around friends and you're having
a laugh about something and I do just slop and
go this is like, this is what it's about.

Speaker 1 (05:19):
Moments.

Speaker 2 (05:20):
Yeah, well, this is what it's about. Like, this is
why I'm here.

Speaker 1 (05:22):
I'm here for this, Like and these those little moments
that are forgettable and in a good way. You've had
a lot of them. But it is Yeah, it's nice, nice,
Like I was thinking even just the cat was ambling
round and I just went like, he's a he's a
good he's a good boy. And I was just like, hey,
he's a good boy.

Speaker 2 (05:37):
Made lads right joined the flat or we're talking about
the flat on the podcast. It is becically an Irish
music festival takes place for a week in any given town.
Just so happened. It has been a my exper for the
last two years. Made lads about lightsabers. Yeah, in the
flat we're pissed from drinking for seven red hours. Lightsabers
were class right, so we're fighting with lightsabers, right, this
is the best the key right, Yeah everywhere, Yeah, brightside

(05:59):
Simon's last no lights ebers and out and ower a
flute flare from Donny Gall jumps into the fight and
starts playing the flute. Then he starts using his flute
like lights.

Speaker 1 (06:11):
And it's why we need to live and should really
randomness of life and that's true crack. There's another cure
for depression, which is if you take off all your
clothes on a pair of sunglasses and just dance, your
depression will lift getting to the stage. There's something about

(06:31):
dancing naked but with sunglasses on that vanquishes sadness. But
if you don't like your body though, it's just the sheer,
the sheer ridiculousness of you wearing wearing sunglasses and probably shoes.
You should only wear shoes. And sometimes you like so.

Speaker 2 (06:46):
Hedge, Oh I'm not I do what do you do? Well?
We have a treadmill now?

Speaker 1 (06:51):
Oh yes, doing that running?

Speaker 2 (06:53):
So because it's a home I just wanted to meet
me Jackson Runners. Yeah, that's I get that belly hanging
out and run around class. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (07:04):
But you know, if you want the belly to hang out,
the belly is there to hang. If you want the
able to go, you can even do a treadmill and
just watch ship, just watch stuff turn so many calories,
like you know, it's amazing.

Speaker 2 (07:19):
I am.

Speaker 1 (07:20):
Yeah, I was off. I was off the gym last
week because of the flat. It was too hard to
get in and out. But I did notice. I did
notice for me a couple of days that the gym
now keeps the mental anguish at bay.

Speaker 2 (07:30):
It doesn't work for me anymore. Really, since I'm off
the Lexe Brawl, I'm kind of just like sort of address.

Speaker 1 (07:36):
Grine grand I'm as I like that sometime it's nice
to be. I was adrift in the ocean. I thought
to myself, this is what it's all so.

Speaker 2 (07:46):
Far since I've been off time eating cheese crackers has
been good. Laughing while having alcohol has been good.

Speaker 1 (07:52):
Have you because I know you kind of went. You
were out more than I was on. Somewhat unprecedented, of course,
do I I see I see your little little liquor lips.

Speaker 2 (08:04):
A bit more the personality I can. I like it.

Speaker 3 (08:08):
You drink and I feel like I can take a no,
I can put it down like you can. You can,
which is good because I am I am the blood
of a long line of ballots, and I can be
dangerously just like let's go and I could be greedy.

Speaker 2 (08:29):
But I'm in my old age. The sensibilities are there
now and I'm able to stay relatively sensible now.

Speaker 1 (08:36):
I do you know what having a couple of drinks
John flat.

Speaker 2 (08:39):
Like I had like seven pints of cider and seven vodkas,
but like the sensible.

Speaker 1 (08:44):
Part that was that was nights, not a pint in
a vodka that was.

Speaker 2 (08:49):
That was the sensible part was to eat in the
middle of that, like you know what I mean? That
was me. That's my maturity in my growth. I need
to go down to the black lads on Okay that
are making hot dogs and to get the hot dog.
And I went down to the bys.

Speaker 1 (09:02):
Did you make any strange sort of strange statements on
where are the black clouds with my hot dogs?

Speaker 2 (09:13):
To be fair, in Ireland, there was like fifteen lads
working on it and they're all black lads, so that.

Speaker 1 (09:18):
Was a bit on you, well, you say, I go
to the Koreans to get my because they were telling it.

Speaker 2 (09:23):
Now men all of them always puts us fires, of course,
and we're standing in the kohen. He just and he's
one of them fellows that has no volume control on
his voice or anything.

Speaker 1 (09:33):
And he's an ideal combination.

Speaker 2 (09:37):
So I'm out of the black lads up in that
chalk and literally the person standing in front of us
was black.

Speaker 1 (09:43):
They didn't take.

Speaker 2 (09:44):
Time to around to do anything. And he was like,
for sure, he's just making a statement.

Speaker 1 (09:49):
Iron He was like he actually didn't mean anything.

Speaker 2 (09:51):
But but I was like, no, you didn't mean anything
by it. But I was like, just watch, but you.

Speaker 1 (09:56):
Have to say, but Nolan, imagine you were you were
black lad. And then someone said that, how would you
feel like, oh, would you put it like that? Actually?

Speaker 2 (10:06):
So but not all in all, you know, I was out.
I'm like Undertaker. I shows up once or twice a
year WrestleMania for the flat I don't be thinking I
have me crack and I enjoyed it. Now yeah, I'm
trying to find out how to get to Whales for
a bit of camp and hiking bost is too expensive.

Speaker 1 (10:22):
Everything is too expensive. Even pitching attend is to fucking
expense four.

Speaker 2 (10:28):
Four hundred for me in the car. That's how much
it costs. I wanted to go over Nikes Nordan at
the end of August.

Speaker 1 (10:33):
Four hundred for a car, So it's one hundred euro
per passenger if you assume you have.

Speaker 2 (10:38):
It doesn't work that way, I don't think. I think
it's like like it might be less, but like it's
still like probably one hundred and fifty.

Speaker 1 (10:43):
So they charge extra and how much of you Just
when I popped in for.

Speaker 2 (10:49):
As when we had to cancel that trip like that,
that was like one seventy each and that was off season.

Speaker 1 (10:56):
Jesus Christ, your faeryes gone mad. So you nearly be
better off renting the car.

Speaker 2 (11:02):
Over there and going on the plane works about the same.

Speaker 1 (11:07):
Tourisms. The price gouging of tourism speaks. So then we're
going to go to a forest, a dark, mysterious forest.
Before we get into it all really quick, just check
out our pets. We're not going to spend too long
on this. If you can support us, do that emin
if if you done all this, no, no, we haven't
done this.

Speaker 2 (11:24):
If anyone has been in the Dark Forest.

Speaker 1 (11:25):
I would like to yes answer for podcast at gmail
dot com. The Dark Forest is a is a is
an allegory, somewhat of an allegory.

Speaker 2 (11:34):
An allegory, an allegory that's not a place.

Speaker 1 (11:36):
It's not a place, it's it's it's a when we
get into it now, we'll we'll, we'll see a few
if you made many different bits and pieces. This is
an interesting episode in that it kind of covers three
theories that kind of run in tandem with each other
for the existence and the non existence of alien life.
It's pretty cool. It's it's pretty fun, and the dark

(11:58):
Forest is kind of one possible explanation for their being
aliens but us not being able to.

Speaker 2 (12:05):
See them, speak of the decadence. Is there any relation
to a black forest cattle?

Speaker 1 (12:11):
It's not, but a black firest gatto is quite a
nice the Garden of Earthly Lights. Yeah, what's your favorite
dessert before we start talking about aliens? What's like? What's
the one like for me? There's something about a banaffi
pie is up there, brother God, it's coming out the
other way and not right though, if it comes out

(12:33):
at all.

Speaker 2 (12:34):
For weeks after.

Speaker 1 (12:37):
Napti pie, banaffi pie. Yeah, but I bet enofies. How
they fox all the other cakes. I do like a
good trifle, trifle. I don't want those gooseberry weird looking
I don't want that.

Speaker 2 (12:57):
I don't want I don't want.

Speaker 1 (12:58):
I don't want fruit jelly.

Speaker 2 (13:01):
Maybe they were on the.

Speaker 1 (13:03):
Now that you're drinking again, we're nearly the same person.
Christmas pud Christmas like a white sauce on a bit
of custard as well. Mix them both. There, you got
yourself a step.

Speaker 2 (13:18):
I do like a black forest cattle's tasty.

Speaker 1 (13:21):
To be fair, there's not many desserts that I don't think.

Speaker 2 (13:23):
Orious sponges nice really go on fresh cream, freshmis that
when when done right, A victorious sponge is one of
my faves because it's just simple.

Speaker 1 (13:33):
But the fox, sugar, buttermilk and jam madeira. It's so
simple and yet so diabetes and juicing.

Speaker 2 (13:43):
You put like you're talking about cracker, peanut butter, bit
of honey on it.

Speaker 1 (13:48):
I've heard about. Listen to this smashed guacamole, peanut butter
and hot sauce, Frank's hot sauce and sour.

Speaker 2 (13:59):
Tell you yeah, I have avocado.

Speaker 1 (14:01):
We have two avocados. Powell always buys the avocados and
then they go black and rotten and we never eat them.
So we have too that are right on the turn
to go to curb Dog album, and I think I'm
gonna smash them up. Put a bit of peanut butter, get.

Speaker 2 (14:14):
A bit of read avocados. I would have avocado.

Speaker 1 (14:18):
I like avocado, but like it needs to be smashed.
I don't like bits of avocado. I'm not really into
just that. Yeah, my sensory problems. To be fair, there
is a bit of it. I do have a weird
sensory thing with avocato.

Speaker 2 (14:31):
Bit sensory. I don't something about a slime.

Speaker 1 (14:33):
It just I don't know what it is. Yeah, I
don't like the slime in and around my mouth.

Speaker 2 (14:38):
Slime against too, Maddy against. I do like the slime, though,
I'm into the slime. I meant the slime the only
slime that I'm not into the slime of a mushroom.

Speaker 1 (14:47):
I don't like the mushrooms. I like mushrooms, but I
don't like the slime of a mushroom.

Speaker 2 (14:51):
Yeah, I like the flavor of a mushroom, but not
the slime of them. Yes, that's fair.

Speaker 1 (14:55):
That's fair. Not into slimy stuff in general, bigs like
what about a strawberries? I don't yeah, yeah, I think
strawberries are nice, But you do make a fair point.
When there's a bit of heat and a strawberry and
it's just starting starting its journey to decay, it's very

(15:17):
sweet at that point.

Speaker 2 (15:19):
Just a lot of and.

Speaker 1 (15:23):
There's a coffee bean that how do you figure that out?
I think either or I think anyone monkey cat? I
would you even get a cat to eat a coffee
all sorts?

Speaker 2 (15:37):
But actually coffee is toxic the cats so like to
be fair, the cat is not digest.

Speaker 1 (15:42):
It turns out their ship is so.

Speaker 2 (15:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (15:47):
Yeah, well look in the first of what can only
be described as wild digressions that you'll hear today, we'll
get into what the dark forest hypothesis is. So it
is the conjecture that many alien civilizations exist throughout the universe.
Very exciting. We're seeing possibly some evidence of aliens in
recent years with the sky scanner. Is the sky scanner

(16:10):
they call it because that's like a cheap airline website,
scarlet sky scarred skeleton, skyscuard. Yeah, oh my gosh, not again. So, yeah,
so we don't have evidence, but we are seeing some
strange things in our skies. However, these civilizations that exist
are both silent and hostile, maintaining their undetectability for fear

(16:33):
of being destroyed by another hostile and undetected civilization. It
is one of the many possible explanations of the Fermi paradox,
which contrasts the lack of contact with alien life in
spite of the potential for such contract such contact. The
hypothesis comes from the name of lew Sishions two thousand

(16:54):
and eight novel of the Dark Forest, although the concept
predates that novel. He can cook watch three Body Problem
on Netflix. So I think that this fellow wrote that
as well, And it's about an alien species that comes
the idea of that is that the alien species are
way more advanced than us, but we are advancing at
such speed that they know that within a certain amount

(17:16):
of time we could become a threat to them, so
they need to try and wipe us out before we
get there. And then it's like humans trying to figure
out what they can do to stop that. And but
it's based on this dark Forest hypothesis.

Speaker 2 (17:28):
That's fair there's a question just before we get onto this.
Why did Robert Patrick a terminator two never turn into
the terminator.

Speaker 1 (17:39):
That's a really salient point because he could have done
that and tricked everybody could have said, he could have
just done my voice.

Speaker 2 (17:47):
He could have just done.

Speaker 1 (17:51):
He could have done the voice, and then the other
fellow would have gone in the thing before me. Were
now John Connor?

Speaker 2 (18:00):
Did you also her that John Connor's man when they
are a kind of person that's no, sorry, not John
connors man. Her twin, remember was his adoptive man?

Speaker 1 (18:11):
Yeah, already adoptive man when he was on the phone
and it's there does the thing?

Speaker 2 (18:15):
Yeah? Do you know that that's Flaska? Is it?

Speaker 1 (18:19):
Do you know that vascaz here? This is the second
of the wild digressions. Did you know that Vasquez has
a bra company? Because she has a great set of
honkers on her and she went, yeah, Fasquez. I mean
it's confusing because she's she possesses so much rom and
she's at the same time she's got a pair of hangers,

(18:43):
you know, and so yeah, she she because of.

Speaker 2 (18:45):
Her heavy chest, she was kind of like I would
say she was masculine.

Speaker 1 (18:50):
I think Jamie was. Jamie was proper.

Speaker 2 (18:52):
She had a bit of a she had had a
tidy little kem barrel little they called.

Speaker 1 (19:00):
It wasn't Jamie, she was the body, Jamie the body.

Speaker 2 (19:03):
That's Jesse for Jora Man.

Speaker 1 (19:05):
It was Jesse the body Manjori.

Speaker 2 (19:07):
Yeah, Happy birthday, aymen. Dark and better than Alabama tic
that's how you said that.

Speaker 1 (19:16):
No, Jesse the body was good. He was a good lad.

Speaker 2 (19:19):
He's dead, is he?

Speaker 1 (19:20):
I have a cameo from him. That's Rossy and Gordo
got me from your birthday.

Speaker 2 (19:26):
Happy birthday, aymen. We should start doing cameos. Actually, I'm
starting to get that level of desperation.

Speaker 1 (19:34):
Yeah. I don't think that's going to help our situation
very much.

Speaker 2 (19:39):
So rather than farmy paradox, it's difficult to talk about
the farmy paradox without firstly talking about the Drake equation.
They not like us, They not like us. That's it,
which is a probabilistic equation on the likelihood of life
on other planets. The equation was formulated in nineteen c

(20:00):
Steve On by Frank Drake.

Speaker 1 (20:05):
That's the Uncharted music, which features Nathan.

Speaker 2 (20:09):
Nick Dreg's a Good Drake Drake is a good rapper.

Speaker 1 (20:13):
Drake is a sword, the dragon sword. Drake means dragon.

Speaker 2 (20:17):
Classic drag is also a duck less cool. The really
strange thing about the hip hop beef was that Kendrick
large name is Kendrick Duckworth. That's right, And then Drake
is a duck.

Speaker 1 (20:32):
It's kind of like a David story, is it. Like
he's he's the lowly the lowly duck facing the unstoppable dragon,
but with a well placed shot and all you have
to do. And this will work for anybody that you
need to bring down, anybody that needs bring regardless of
their stature in yours, just accuse them of being a
pedophile and it works every time, it brings them down.

(20:54):
And and Kendrick is obviously proof of this.

Speaker 2 (20:58):
So the equation was done by Frank Dre not for
the purposes of quantifying the number of civilizations, but as
a way to stimulate a scientific dialogue at the first
scientific Meeting on the Search for Extraterrestrial Intelligence. SETI. I
used to run SETI back in the day on the computer.

Speaker 1 (21:13):
Was that set the actual like the app before? It
was an app kind of thing.

Speaker 2 (21:19):
Yeah, the program to beam out to sign I used
to run that on the computers.

Speaker 1 (21:24):
Helped you've held the.

Speaker 2 (21:26):
Departments. The equation summarizes the main concepts which the scientists
must contemplate when considering the question of other radio communicative life.
It is more properly thought of as an approximation than
as a serious attempt to determine a precise number. Criticism

(21:47):
related to the direct equation focuses not on the equation itself,
but on the fact that the estimated values for several
of its factors are highly conjectural, the combined multiplicative effect
being sorry, a coffee coming up there. The uncertainty associated
with any derive value was so large that the equation

(22:07):
cannot be used to draw firm conclusions. The actual equation,
the direct equation is n equals or asterix fp any whatever.
So I used to be mad in the space. There
was once amount of time where it was my hyper
focus space.

Speaker 1 (22:24):
Was Yeah, was this around the time of.

Speaker 2 (22:28):
Time? Yeah, hyper focus don't care about space anymore.

Speaker 1 (22:31):
Now, what's the hyper focus now?

Speaker 2 (22:34):
Pokemon cards and what else? As I've gotten older than
I better thts sort of just know things or hyper
focus focus. Yeah, yeah, because when you're younger, you don't know,
you're just like a yeah, but it's just dopamin you're
just saying that's all that is.

Speaker 1 (22:51):
Yeah, we didn't know what to dope mean was when
we were young, not just doing things.

Speaker 2 (22:54):
You're just like being deficient. Not that springs excitement. So
you have to follow the shiny fucking thing until it stops,
and then you follow on your anything and you go cool.
So you just have to hope that the shiny thing
isn't like fucking bottles of whisky or something, which it
could end up being with me never know.

Speaker 1 (23:11):
Yeah, well I'm already a little bit there. Yeah, we see.
Nowadays you're allowed to sort of like I'm a whiskey
kind of like being a fucking barbecue sauce some alley.

Speaker 2 (23:22):
Like no matter is I see the YouTube channel the
top twenty Irish whiskeyes.

Speaker 1 (23:26):
Yeah, no, man, whiskey. If you've ever sat down and
actually done proper whiskey tasting, like, yeah, you can. It's
a lot, but it's nice. So you'll try, like, you know,
try a regular one, then you do a scotch, then
you do a single part and all the rest. But
as you go through them, like there's just feeling It's
like it's a bit wanky for sure, but it legitimizes
kind of low level alcoholism, which is pretty cool.

Speaker 2 (23:48):
There's a part of me that wants to do like
a sketch thing where I just had up like a
fake YouTuber, a YouTuber pretend to be like some kind
of like really like working class English kind of guy
with like really like you and I review like foods
out with Tescos.

Speaker 1 (24:03):
That's pretty good.

Speaker 2 (24:04):
There's like I was really Munday and then you're going
to the life to Yeah, I kind of there's part
of me that really wants to do you.

Speaker 1 (24:11):
Want to be really good and I'm sure people do it.
But do you know the Hot Wings Challenge? Yeah, just
do that with shots of whiskey.

Speaker 2 (24:19):
Stop just episode.

Speaker 1 (24:25):
I was saying like that, but like while you're drinking
a good fifty mil of whiskey things, so you have
to drink like a half.

Speaker 2 (24:32):
A battle washer Man's from Hot Ones again, Shawn. Something
I might I might do like a thing where I'm
like a paraid schizophrenic and I'm talking to Seawan something.

Speaker 1 (24:40):
Sean, I'm so glad you.

Speaker 2 (24:44):
Pretending to ask myself questions.

Speaker 1 (24:47):
I mean, like I'll put on a skull. It happened
to be the Shawn of your imagination. If you're so
rab you have a lot of things that you've done before.
Used to live in Cromwell's what what's the juxtaposition of
living in crowned But like, since you were beaming the
aliens and asking for first contact, but I think it
has to be me impersonally and oh you have to

(25:08):
it's all you. Yeah, you'd be like your man from Yoker.

Speaker 2 (25:10):
Yeah, I think that fucking so. Yeah. That equations class anyway,
N equals the number of civilizations in the Milky Way
galaxy with which communication might be possible, i e. Which
are on the current past light cone. Yeah, so that's interesting.

(25:36):
And or x equals the average rate of star formation
in our galaxy.

Speaker 1 (25:40):
So these are multiplied together, so N N is equal,
which is like the possibility for Yeah, imagine that the
stars are they're enriched guts exploding across the galaxy and
I'm I'm made of stardust.

Speaker 2 (25:58):
Talking about him recently, Bill Barber, he was like, does
he really fucking know anything? He's like, I want to
see him besides someone who knows something about something and
see if they go Wow, Neil, that's a really good idea.
Does he really? He's like, does he is? He just
parroting other people's ideas, and it's like he has a point.

(26:22):
I know. A lot of critique about Neil digress Tyson
is that he's kind of like a McDonald's of that
kind of thing.

Speaker 1 (26:28):
And he also, like it seems that he can be
a little bit condescending sometimes in interviews.

Speaker 2 (26:33):
Yeah, but I watched the interview with Bill recently. He's
actually in real good form.

Speaker 1 (26:37):
But it is funny man, and he's such like there's
a great thing where he does. He gets interviewed on
like the Red Character or whatever, and they're like, you
said billionaires, and he was like, why are you doing this?
Why are you asking me what I think about fucking politics?
I think, shty, what are you talking about? And he's like,
you just do this to get your clickbait. We'll go on,
put on your clickbait and fuck off. And he's like, yeah,

(26:59):
Like I like the way he approaches things. I'd say
he could be very aggressive.

Speaker 2 (27:04):
It could be a cranky count of times, but like
most of the time he's coming from the right place.
Like he was talking about he was talking about like
podcasts having like the likes of Trump or any sort
of people on like like all these fucking people, and
he's like, you know, half of theays he was saying,
like half of these fucking comedians and that fucking adult
Hitler on the It's like, wow, Hitter, that's a good point.

(27:30):
It's like, yeah, I was like, but he's right though,
because it's all normalized now to where these fucking reptilians
are coming on the shows and talking for two hours. Yeah,
and this is why he's saying about your favorite baseball
game and then something, oh, that's my favorite baseball game too.
He's right, but he's right, And then you be.

Speaker 1 (27:51):
I just thought we had the same favorite baseball game.

Speaker 2 (27:54):
Yeah that's funny. But yeah, look we likes Neil, like
rest Tyson, you were sort of giving us some wisdom
there anymore wisdom.

Speaker 1 (28:01):
So it's just it's just basically the numbers that basically
the way it works is it multiplies all these possibilities
together and then based on that, so I know you're
reading through the possibilities based on that, it sort of
goes from the low end number to the high end number.
It's all conjecture, but it gives you an idea of
the probability of life existing, and the probability is quite high, right.

Speaker 2 (28:24):
Yeah, so yeah, the values are all over the gas
the fractions of the planet that could develop life at
some points set This is just basically sort of saying
what they did the normal. Yeah, that's not really important
because so there's considerable disagreement on the values of the
parameters that we were talking about there. But the educated
guess is used by dragging as colleagues and sixty one

(28:45):
war that one star form per year on average over
the life of the galaxy. Now this is regarded as
conservative FP because zero two, zero five one fifth to
one half of all stars formed will have planets. Soasically
they're trying to loosely put together the likelihood of a
little earth.

Speaker 1 (29:05):
It's an assumption. But basically, how what's the probability of
the correct environment existing to faster life.

Speaker 2 (29:13):
Yeah, So they're all going on about like whether there's
a chance for stars that have planets that will have
life and have maybe a son that can provide life,
you know, because we need this on to have life.

Speaker 1 (29:29):
Yeah, and again we're going off how our biology is
so that you could argue was another inherent flow on this, and.

Speaker 2 (29:37):
Then there's the adds of things developing intelligent life Yeah,
that can even.

Speaker 1 (29:42):
Develop being animalistic or whatever, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (29:44):
For sure, which is like mad interesting because like you
think about, like you know, it seems to be quite
rare that we have any life forms anywhere. But then
of those then they also have to evolve in such
a way that the prioritize travel in any wesh eepper form,
or the prioritize comfort or whatever whatever humans right, like

(30:08):
we we evolved in such a way because our species
prioritized we.

Speaker 1 (30:13):
Were nomadic by nature. So that's trend that's sort of
transferred to the idea of traveling and tourism. I think
it's somewhere in the DNA so and it's.

Speaker 2 (30:22):
So like specific and strange that like they reckon. And
I've said on the pot before, but one of the
leading areas about why we are upright APPEs is simply
because where we grew up as Eppes, there was long
grass and we used to stand up to look over
the grass. That was that simple. So that was the
niche that we felt at that time, and we just
took them talked about around with like the.

Speaker 1 (30:44):
It's our intelligence and our opposable thumbs obviously our mobility.

Speaker 2 (30:48):
Which all came out from that Like so that was
the so, like that'st thing on another planet. All of
these conditions have to happen. Yeah, there has to be
things for something like us to hunt. They even want
to pursue something.

Speaker 1 (31:00):
True just be wiped out, I suppose. Yeah, And it's
a really interesting thing because even just the probabity, the probabity,
the probability of us being here in the first the
probability of you being the sperm that made it is
one in millions. You know, it's so, But again, I
don't know. It's interesting. But with all this sort of

(31:22):
UAP stuff we see as well, it does seem that
either there's a massive conspiracy or there is something that
we know is here and he has seemingly maybe been
here for a long time based on some historical remorts.

Speaker 2 (31:35):
Yeah, and like drag around the numbers from his equation,
and basically the conclusion was that given the uncertainty's original
meeting concluded that and it goesll whatever, and there was
a probability of between one thousand and one hundred thousands and.

Speaker 1 (31:52):
It's with civilizations. Yeah, so's there's a huge gap. But
it means that in our Milky Way galaxy, minimum based
on this assumption, would be that there's a thousand civilizations.
Now when he says civilizations, I think what they're saying
is life, just life, Yeah, which is fair.

Speaker 2 (32:12):
Now, that's a thousand. That even seems a lot to
be honest, I.

Speaker 1 (32:17):
Know, and I think it's probably just because we talk
so much about the universe that our Milky Way galaxy
seems small. So even one hundred thousand, it might be
out of the realm of possibility.

Speaker 2 (32:27):
That we played mass effect, man, I know how big
the galaxy is. Crazy?

Speaker 1 (32:30):
You played no man Sky you were just like, here's another.

Speaker 2 (32:37):
Could we that is mad? No? Yeah, it's I think
from my space hyper focused days. You know, it seemed
like at the time Europa was probably the leading planet
because it had.

Speaker 1 (32:53):
Like a body of water or something.

Speaker 2 (32:54):
And it's still like, it's still definitely a players that
brings a lot of interest. I suppose part of the
real and that my hyper focus fell off with space
is that it's all slow to get That's a very
good point. So you're like, okay, all of that stuff
that I knew fifteen years ago when I was hyper focused.
It's still the same. So, like, we know no more

(33:17):
about Europa really well, we do actually a little bit,
to be fair, we do know a little bit more,
but like ultimately we're not on the surface or all,
but yet we haven't fucking problem properly, we don't know,
but you're all. But for people that don't know, has
a frozen core or sorry, a frozen surface the wreckon
of ice, and I reckon beneath that ice there are

(33:38):
oceans and there's decent evidence to say that that is
the case. So some people reckon that maybe they can
break through the ice fine stuff, but I think from
what I remember and it might be wrong. It's been
a long time since I read all this stuff. But
like that actual ice mantle or mental lines right word,
But the crust is the to get.

Speaker 1 (33:59):
Truly, So to even get there in the first situation
is trying to try.

Speaker 2 (34:03):
To try the difficulties that that ran in to just
go around. But like imagine not what what would you
do now if they're drilled in? True or what would
your manity do with to be drilled through? And like
a giant sea monkey came out and it was able
to talk.

Speaker 1 (34:18):
M hm.

Speaker 2 (34:19):
That'll. Do you ever have sea monkeys?

Speaker 1 (34:23):
I think I might have when I was a kid,
but I don't. I think I thought they were shy,
like I didn't you do anything like like if you
ask for a pet and you get to think of
sea monkeys at disappointed.

Speaker 2 (34:33):
Well, if you ask for a pet, that's a slap
that this is it.

Speaker 1 (34:37):
Like I wanted a pet, I got some sea monkeys.
Had to start feeding the federal cat till it hung
out long enough for us to kind of adopt it.
So that was my my long term story and strategy.

Speaker 2 (34:47):
So yeah, that's that's almost cruel. Give he's an absence
of a pest.

Speaker 1 (34:52):
At least fish, This is it what I mean, Like
monkeys don't do nothing goldfish or shite anyway, but at
least you can see him doing something.

Speaker 2 (35:01):
I like a goldfish. But yeah, yeah, monkeys, man, But
if try and see the monkey's and.

Speaker 1 (35:07):
Your giant anything sort of a giant octopus that can
float through space and talk with deep which would be
pretty cool.

Speaker 2 (35:18):
I kind of like the idea that if there's something
up there, it's beyond our comprehension, it probably is because
like we're talking about sea monkeys, space octopuses. I want
something that's just like what makes no sense? Is this
like some fucking mental comes down looking like a triangle
or something.

Speaker 1 (35:37):
Yeah, well that'd be like a sort of an evangelion. Yeah,
just a really bizarre lot.

Speaker 2 (35:43):
Of triangles with gas coming out of it or something,
just like some mad bastard jock just be like to
do with this trappy tail, like a Max that doesn't
have any hands to hold X with a kind of
just gravitates, floats around like something of the Automata or something.

Speaker 1 (36:01):
Yeah, I was about to say, class is then what
I don't know, something like that. We just have to
build giant battle mix the shapes.

Speaker 2 (36:16):
Because our artly weapons will just pass through, you know,
won't be able to do that because it's just made
other things. We're just on an it's made of the
things we just don't know.

Speaker 1 (36:27):
Makes sense too.

Speaker 2 (36:28):
Alien.

Speaker 1 (36:28):
I hope that that's not the case. Be like shitty
Final Fantasy movie they made where they go like that
alien ghosts just come through the floor.

Speaker 2 (36:37):
Welcome to Earth. He never said, Blacker, I.

Speaker 1 (36:43):
Don't think so. I think it's one of those Mandela
effect things. Which is probably do an episode on one day.
How did you spell looney tunes? Oh?

Speaker 2 (36:54):
Well, or anyway?

Speaker 1 (36:57):
I know the tunes, but the only bit you're right, the.

Speaker 2 (37:01):
Tunes t or or m S.

Speaker 1 (37:03):
I think some people thought it was t U n E. Yes,
I can't remember what the real one is off the
top of my head. There's loads of little things like that.

Speaker 2 (37:10):
People are murdered, man, people are weird.

Speaker 1 (37:14):
I'll read on while you check that it is yeah,
mad right looney songs like isn't that fucked up? Because
you remember it as tunes butter cartoons? Man, you're preaching
to the choir here. Why did you do this to?

Speaker 2 (37:33):
Why did I knew you were dead? He came back?
Crypt crypt.

Speaker 1 (37:48):
So the Drake equation results in a summary of the
factors affecting the likelihood that we might detect radio communication
from intelligent life. The last three parameters F, I, F, C,
and L are not known, and so it's very difficult
to estimate. And it's basically, as we were saying, all
based on assumptions, and that's why there's a massive magnitude

(38:09):
between the low end and the high end. So the
usefulness of the Drake equation is not insolving, but rather
in the contemplation of all the various concepts which scientists
must incorporate when considering the question of life elsewhere, and
it gives the question of life elsewhere a basis for
scientific analysis. The equation has helped draw attention to some

(38:30):
particular scientific problems related to life in the universe, for example,
a biogenesis, the development of multi cellular life, and the
development of intelligence itself. So, as we were saying, is
what we have sort of manifested as over years of evolution,
we assume, how, what's the probability of that happening even

(38:53):
in the right circumstances, could be infinitisimal.

Speaker 2 (38:56):
So, well, the dinosaurs, if the dinosaurs didn't get extinct
on this plan us, we'd be fucking talking a dinosaur
right now. Brother.

Speaker 1 (39:03):
But isn't that funny then? So like if we humans
wouldn't have basically happened without so then it's happened twice
on this planet, more than twice because we yeah, so.

Speaker 2 (39:13):
Like the dinosaurs had mammal on the tom mammals. Mammals
did exist at the time, but they're like the size
of like shrews and likens, like basic ship there was
no cracking for them, not at all. So yeah, we
wouldn't have if dinosaurs would be like me and you
right now, would be dinosaurs were sending her as dinosaurs
just chatting about being dinosaurs.

Speaker 1 (39:34):
Man, I watched the new Jurassic Pick movie.

Speaker 2 (39:36):
Oh yeah, it's not bad. It isn't that bad. People
assholes in Jurassic Part.

Speaker 1 (39:41):
What the fuck do you expect is gonna happen?

Speaker 2 (39:43):
It's pretty good? Okay, enjoy watch.

Speaker 1 (39:46):
I'm not saying it's the best movie you ever seen,
but I enjoyed it. Okay, it's dumb.

Speaker 2 (39:50):
Yeah, you're you're is the one I value them drastic part.

Speaker 1 (39:54):
They put in some nice myself of course, of course,
aside from some like you know, look if you if
people don't like it, that's fair enough. It's a Jurassic
Park movie. It wasn't trying to do dumb ship like
have a murderous velocirappe. All that ship's gone. Good movie,

(40:15):
bit of crack. They'd even take some liberties with the dinosaurs.
They explain it. The explanation is dumb. Yeah, it's a
movie about fucking dinosaurs. Hidden away on an island. Is
there a family with young children? That need to be wrested.
You know there is. It's a fucking Jurassic Park movie.
There's always the pussy has gone bad. Send it back.

(40:37):
I'm choking.

Speaker 2 (40:43):
That's like your alter I'm just heard. I heard, I heard.

Speaker 1 (40:48):
I heard Shane Gillis say that an episode of Tires
they crack. I don't believe, so I don't believe. So yeah,
no scratch, Scarlett scanned Scarlett scars guard. Scarlett said Scarlett,
I should just look at Norman in the movie. I

(41:10):
guess I give you.

Speaker 2 (41:11):
The guests got that going for them with the rudeness.

Speaker 1 (41:15):
You asked the question. Do not ask questions from which
you are not prepared for the answers. Within the limits
of existing human technology, any practical search for distant intelligent life.
And I was only joking when I said that Scarlet
Johnson obviously immensely attractive, so I know she's a big
listener this. I don't want to spoil my chances like

(41:36):
the pussy spoiled joked. Within the limits of existing human technology,
any practical search for distant intelligent life must necessarily be
searched for. It must necessarily be searched in some manifestation
of a distant technology after about fifty years. The Drake
equation is still of seminal importance because it is a

(41:56):
roadmap of what we need to learn in order to
solve the fun mental existential question. It is formed the
backbone of astrobiological science. Although speculation is entertained to give context.
Astrobiology concerns itself primarily with hypothesis that fit firmly into
existing scientific theories. So basically, they're saying, based on this theory,

(42:19):
it seems very plausible, immensely plausible, that there's life there.
In fact, there must be some kind of life in
their milky way. But this leads us on to the
antithesis of the Drake equation, which is the Fermi paradox.

Speaker 2 (42:32):
Oh, oh, yes, the Fermi paradox. Of course, paradoxes.

Speaker 1 (42:37):
It's like, it leads you one way, but then.

Speaker 2 (42:41):
Oh, it's paradoxical by nature. In contrast and contrast, in
contrast to the Drake equation is the Fermi paradox. Now,
this is a discrepancy between the lack of conclusive evidence
of advanced extraterrestrial life and the apparent likelihood of his existence.
This is not like the ordergrass Tyson. Well, it's a whoa.

Speaker 1 (43:00):
He would be like, look at those stars.

Speaker 2 (43:02):
He would just go, well, the Fermi paradox. And the
thing about the Fermi para is yourn It's like, but
did you make up to the farming paradox?

Speaker 1 (43:12):
Though, yeah, be better. He seems to know an awful
lot about.

Speaker 2 (43:17):
Things like but you probably read books, like you know
everyone can read books, but actually like, are you intelligent?
Can you hash it out with like intelligent motherfuckers? Like
or do you just go around talking to comedians about
about space? So that is true, though.

Speaker 1 (43:37):
Bill is a funny lad and he cuts to the
core of what's true, often.

Speaker 2 (43:42):
Cranky, but anyway. Those affirming the paradox generally conclude that
if the conditions required for life to arise from non
living matter are as permissive as the available evidence on
Earth indicates, then eat life would be sufficiently common such
that it would be implausible for it to not have

(44:04):
been detected. The paradox is named after physicist Enrico Fermie,
who informally paused the question often remembered as where is
everybody during a nineteen fifty conversation at Los Alamos with
colleagues Emil Connapinsky, Edward Taylor as Jax Tayler's that from
sponse of anarchy, and HERBERTI Yorgy that's Tom York staff

(44:28):
Herbert York. The paradox first appeared in print in a
nineteen sixty three paper by none other than the legendary
wise man Carl Sagan, and the paradox has since been
fully characterized by scientists, including Michael Hedgehart and I don't
like all Mike Hart. It's got that ju jitsu probably

(44:51):
the same lad. Early formulations of the paradox have also
been identified in writings by bon Iver and ju vern
Right he was ver bon Iver span Iver fans.

Speaker 1 (45:07):
I wouldn't be one of those A bit about I
think he. I think he's got good sounds, but I
don't really know many of them, you know. I'm like diagnostic.
Do I believe in Boniv about ivor whatever he's called.
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (45:19):
Bonniverepel, neither believe nor disbelieve in Appelle mademoiselle, bonnyvere Bouts.
Do you know what I mean? Like Baniver span Iver?
Like like who is he? Who is he? Which I
don't Where is he from? Is he the English?

Speaker 1 (45:39):
I think he's an American fellow, is he?

Speaker 2 (45:40):
No, he's welsh Man?

Speaker 1 (45:42):
Is he Frenchman?

Speaker 2 (45:42):
Welsh Man?

Speaker 1 (45:43):
Is he? I?

Speaker 2 (45:45):
Well, well, I started vom iver. He is I from Wisconsin.

Speaker 1 (45:53):
Apparently American.

Speaker 2 (45:54):
There's no American that has the right to call himself.
What's either?

Speaker 1 (45:59):
I mean good something?

Speaker 2 (46:02):
I actually know.

Speaker 1 (46:03):
If you're not bon Jovi, then fuck off.

Speaker 2 (46:05):
I thought it was well, I thought he was myney there,
good e there is You know that I sitting room
looks like a log cabin and I'm saying that was
a look at what a log cabin wall?

Speaker 1 (46:21):
Well yeah, but this was this was sort of the
tongue in cheek, self referential but dead.

Speaker 2 (46:26):
When they go on the wall again. Yeah, shout out
I for anyway. He was doing writings in sixteen eighty
six and Joe's varn famous of course for Journey to
the Center of the Earth. I read that back in
the day, you know.

Speaker 1 (46:40):
Yeah, I loved it.

Speaker 2 (46:42):
He rode around the ordinated as well.

Speaker 1 (46:44):
He did Phileas Fogg.

Speaker 2 (46:45):
Yeah, I read that. Yeah, Don's had him for about
the aural back the dabout him. When I was a
genius books art was when I was a prodigy. It
was about seven, eight years old.

Speaker 1 (46:56):
This boy can raise around the world days. What's happening.

Speaker 2 (47:03):
Sigma te man? Yeah, yeah, I declared that what was
that micro t Sigma tym really Protestant. I don't know
what Sigma t is, A big Protestant. Nothing about him.

Speaker 1 (47:15):
I needed were of a higher class than I to
try and feel accepted.

Speaker 2 (47:19):
Sigma ty is a standardized math test. He was in
primary schools and the density measurement of motionography. I'm talking
about the first one and the education context. It is
a mathematics test administrative students in first through to sixth
class to assess mathematical abilities and progress. Needless to say,
I never did well than that. Actually Chicken has did.

(47:42):
He was like he was the talk of He was
in the topic percentile of sigmath. They and then it
all went down here fallen.

Speaker 1 (47:52):
He peaked.

Speaker 2 (47:52):
You know, that's what happens. He picked early, He picked
in like second.

Speaker 1 (47:55):
Class, playing too close to the sun.

Speaker 2 (47:59):
But I yeah. There's been many attempts to resolve the
firm paradox, such as suggesting that intelligent et beings are
extremely rare, that the lifetime so civilizations are short, or
that they exist, but for various reasons humans see no evidence.
Which do you Which do you think emen? Do you
think it is that the lifetime? Lifetime is too short?

(48:21):
Lifetimes are orig and famous? Is it too short? Or
that do they exist and we can't see evidence?

Speaker 1 (48:31):
I think they exist, but we can't see evidence. I
think it's that we are seeing evidence.

Speaker 2 (48:35):
I think it's too short. Life's too short. Life too short.
I'm thinking that it's too short. Life everything just in general.
Think think about it feels fucking long some days when
you're hungover. Actually that's a bit of a hack. Hang
Your days are mad l class Like I went out

(48:59):
twice last week and I was like, I've lived fourteen
weeks and week there.

Speaker 1 (49:04):
Is something though, It's like a A day of being
hungover is a lot like bankruptcy. It happens slowly at start,
and then all of a sudden, because like you're there,
you're like, I'm literally I'm gooning away in my bed
for the day, rolling around my own juices like some
sort of sexually repressed alligator. And then it's just nighttime

(49:26):
and the day is over. I thought I had so
much day, but I've squandered it on my on my
on my fucking.

Speaker 2 (49:34):
Thing about fucking scarlet scars guards.

Speaker 1 (49:38):
Scarlet scars gars. What do you think.

Speaker 2 (49:40):
I think you have to factor in the amount of
time it takes for us to travel to another planet,
right or vice versa. That's why last year vice versa.

Speaker 1 (49:50):
Because he's only vice versa.

Speaker 2 (49:52):
Other men have read vice varsa.

Speaker 1 (49:54):
Cannot come up with more would be there. They don't
need to travel at the speed of light because they
have a different way of traveling.

Speaker 2 (50:01):
But to say our windows have to sink up perfectly,
then unless they have a time machine like like they
have to pick at the very same time we have
to pick, and they have to get to us in
that window.

Speaker 1 (50:13):
Well they they are before we have. Seems like that
the ones that we're seeing to be believed.

Speaker 2 (50:21):
I didn't do well enough in Sigma Give you call.

Speaker 1 (50:24):
There, Gary, you're on the pod. I don't need to
talk to you about Sigma te.

Speaker 2 (50:30):
I have grass tys and everybody's drawn blacks.

Speaker 1 (50:33):
How did you manage to get Sigamaret done so well?
That's not what he said at all. I want to
know what they sent you.

Speaker 2 (50:43):
Oh gosh, who's African American? Man? Did his voice?

Speaker 1 (50:48):
That didn't move fast?

Speaker 2 (50:50):
As well.

Speaker 1 (50:51):
I suppose probably would.

Speaker 2 (50:52):
I want to know what happened to them, killed my son.
I'm going to give you a little shh. Yeah, we're
rather the dark forest theory.

Speaker 1 (51:05):
This is yeah, all paths lead to the dark forest.
The dark forest hypothesis presumes that any spacefaring civilization would
view any other intelligent life as an inevitable threat, and
thus destroy any nascent life that makes itself known. As
a result, the electromagnetic radiation surveys would not find evidence

(51:26):
of intelligent life. A similar hypothesis under the name deadly
Probes was described by astronomer and author David Brynn in
his nineteen eighty three summary of the Arguments for and
Against the Fermi Paradox. The name of the hypothesis derives
its the name of Hypoths derives from leu Seischians two

(51:48):
thousand and eight novel The Dark Forest, as in a
dark forest filled with armed hunters stalking through the trees
like ghosts. Wow, oh shit, you feel that.

Speaker 2 (52:07):
Fuck to me?

Speaker 1 (52:09):
According to the Dark Fires, I'm trying to sign a
bomb here, you guys moving, moving them out anyway?

Speaker 2 (52:20):
Taking that ouem six.

Speaker 1 (52:25):
Around heaven just isn't high enough. I don't even believe
in heaven. According to the dark fires hypothesis, since the
intentions of any newly contacted civilization can never be known
with certainty, then if one is encountered, it is best
to shoot first, to ask questions later. The American policy Yeah, yeah, funnily,

(52:47):
that's traveled intergalactically in order to avoid the potential extinction
of our own species. We don't even see the same
behavior of cultures here on Earth, says Moya McTeer, an astrophysicist,
author and our favorite a focalist. Some etis extra terrestrial

(53:08):
intelligence might have members that all act in perfect unison,
but others will have divergent, independently behaving groups, some who
trend towards more aggression or pacifism, curiosity, or ecclusiveness. If
one of them waves he low, then that dark forest
will get a brightly lit campire campfire first all to see.
But technically anything is possible, considering we don't have any

(53:32):
evidence of eti is to begin with. That's not necessarily
true given the recent videos and stuff. Perhaps everyone really
is hiding. Maybe there truly is a threat lurking out
there somewhere in the dark and maybe humanity just doesn't
know it yet.

Speaker 2 (53:49):
Yeah, I mean it could be possible that there's some big,
big ass motherfucking spaceship with like mad tanel S motherfuckers
and it's just gone around fucking all planets.

Speaker 1 (53:57):
Again, you're making these are Like the think about these
theories is they're all just based on assumption. So basically,
the same criticism they gave to the Drake equation, you
could give to the Fermi paradox or the dark fires.

Speaker 2 (54:12):
Could there be a space Gengis Khan?

Speaker 1 (54:15):
You would imagine so if like think of it this way,
if Genghis Khan has lived on Earth here and we
have record of them, if you imagine that, if it
is one hundred million possibilities of life, then you would
imagine that one hundred million one maybe the same as
a kind of a marauding I know, did you ever
watch Firefly the TV show? So like there's Reavers. I

(54:40):
think it's the name of these kind of lads that
just want to they just kill and eat you, and
that's like their whole thing was a bit like that,
remember with the reptilian dudes. One as a Marina Karen
is her name.

Speaker 2 (54:56):
Yeah, that's true.

Speaker 1 (54:58):
You should have been the new Jurassic Park. The pussy
has maintained allow it in.

Speaker 2 (55:08):
Yeah, that's the space but while else it's called depictions
of Space seven.

Speaker 1 (55:14):
There's many interest Cellar.

Speaker 2 (55:16):
Yeahs, do you tell me about that that I said
that in the park in Japan went up to the
topic government buildings. Oh yeah, yeah, planning to under Cellar
team the whole thing. Did I tell you about getting
molested in Japan? No? On the train the train, No,
it wasn't. This was this was actually really demon This

(55:37):
was actually very funny. We're in We're in a Pokmon
carriage op right and poork Hare a god lover Pokman
coach hops even born for me. But I just I
was animation. So I had to get stuff, and I
was looking around like I felt something the ours like
something At first, I felt like just.

Speaker 1 (55:58):
It's been commented that you have a magical kind of
a dairy air.

Speaker 2 (56:01):
I do have a very good ARS. Like It's true.
I'd ride me on ars if I could, but I can't.

Speaker 1 (56:05):
So science when you ride your own air, stage just
ceased to It's like an automatic. You just evaporate as
soon as your dick gets into your own urs.

Speaker 2 (56:20):
You have becoming so I felt, yeah, I felt something
like kind of brushed off me ars, and I just
put it down to like, ah, someone was trying to
brush past you or whatever, and I kind of I
looked around that I didn't say anyone, and I care
wasn't close by, so I was like right, and then
like I was looking more. The next thing, I feeled
a proper grab on the arse, like, and I was

(56:41):
like all right, and I turned around under this card
and she just put her hands up over her face
and turned away, and I then looked. She ran across
to her boyfriend.

Speaker 1 (56:52):
She thought it was him, and he was no joke.

Speaker 2 (56:54):
He was like my height wife. The other guy that
could have been the same had like a similar colors
and everything. I'd say, she was fucking mortified.

Speaker 1 (57:05):
That's funny.

Speaker 4 (57:05):
That's funny because I did not have to act because
I was like, I was just like what, I don't
act like obviously, I thought it was really funny text.

Speaker 1 (57:17):
It's understandable if it was just he was like, I've
had that happen before, but that's usually nights.

Speaker 2 (57:24):
Yeah, true, it was. It was funny. It was funny,
but that was my molested I.

Speaker 1 (57:29):
Like that that was a wholesome as mistakes, the stories
pretty awesome.

Speaker 2 (57:37):
Run to the forest of the life. It can't be
denied that there is some survival value in being aggressive,
says Seth Shostack. He's an astronomer at the SETI preemptively

(57:58):
take out the competition, and you mess lead more securely
while getting extra resources like.

Speaker 1 (58:04):
A alien way.

Speaker 2 (58:05):
The history of humanity and its present is littered with
groom examples of this see Native Americans, see South Americans.

Speaker 1 (58:16):
This This next part is from National Geographic article, which
has written quite well.

Speaker 2 (58:21):
But long before actively searching for atis became a global
scientific practice, radio signals from Arts Couch, quoted in intraspecies
Communications have been emanating into the void, something that a
nearby alien society hoping to find a new ally or
fresh target could easily spot. So yeah, basically like.

Speaker 1 (58:45):
Someone showed up here, like well, why they.

Speaker 2 (58:49):
Why hasn't But also like why you do it? Because
you may get bombed.

Speaker 1 (58:54):
When we're here for a good time, you know, not
a long time.

Speaker 2 (58:58):
Even as we've begun to ask the hypothetical threat, it's
not like we're about to go completely silent either. We've
never given the slightest thought to turning off all the
readers because it might be dangerous, it, says Shostak, It's
just not going to happen. Forget about it. Even if
ATI tried to conceal itself, it may not be sophisticated

(59:20):
enough to work. Some alien societies may have found a
way to stamp out all of their noise, but others
may be accident accidentally still giving the same the game
away without realizing. The way caveman might hide is quite
different from the weakling hands might hide. Shostak, that's true
to why modern humans may hide would also be quite

(59:42):
different to the caveman would hide.

Speaker 1 (59:45):
Like we have knowledge that we'll ulize a drone.

Speaker 2 (59:50):
Yeah true, thembasses idiots, but then I'm fugging your ground
would last a minute them idiots fiber optic wrong, blow yourself.
The Genghis kind of get sucked up by one.

Speaker 1 (01:00:05):
Good for his time, but like, let's be real here, yeah,
sucked up some laugh. If the coopler can't destroyed the drones.

Speaker 2 (01:00:12):
Would wonder what happened, Like if you went back in
time and you had a like a rifle with and
getting the shot up and you just shot in the
head in front of everyone. But would they just make
you would later to tribe.

Speaker 1 (01:00:23):
Like, I don't know, you think they might just kill
you and take your gun?

Speaker 2 (01:00:26):
No, because you could just keep shooting motherfuckers.

Speaker 1 (01:00:28):
Like what if you had on limited ammo?

Speaker 2 (01:00:30):
Like even if you had a clip, right, yeah, you
drop Genghis, Right, he's fucked, split his wig, his domes cracked.
Maybe a couple of little fucking idiots come after. You
shoot a couple of a.

Speaker 1 (01:00:41):
Few of those idiots, and then Charlotte spread on it
as well. You get them in a one hit.

Speaker 2 (01:00:45):
If your average jaws, you've killed her. Later you've killed
her next in command, and you've killed an their next
in command. Surely they just go, this is our next command.

Speaker 1 (01:00:54):
It's like I command now. Yeah, what would you say?
Then you're like, I'm look at me, I'm the fuck
capital and now.

Speaker 2 (01:01:01):
We march west. I would say yeah, and I would
say we're off to Europe.

Speaker 1 (01:01:07):
Where would be a good idea to just take over?
Actually that's a fair point to bring Where would.

Speaker 2 (01:01:12):
You bring your guys if I was Genghis?

Speaker 1 (01:01:14):
Yeah, so like you can go anywhere, Like, where are
you going.

Speaker 2 (01:01:16):
To tell me?

Speaker 1 (01:01:17):
It was round I'd like to go to the libraries
of Babylon, but not destroy him. He destroyed them like
the rivers ran red with blood, and I believe so bastards.
I'm not sure if it was him, but it was
the Koblakhan, I believe, So I could be wrong, I believe.

Speaker 2 (01:01:34):
So imagine being that Babylon, Babylonia, the.

Speaker 1 (01:01:42):
Libraries of Alexandria, actually the gardens about the libraries of Alexandria,
wasn't it.

Speaker 2 (01:01:51):
Libraries? Did he destroy the library extra library there?

Speaker 1 (01:01:57):
You would want to get me and how soon is
now one DVD?

Speaker 2 (01:02:01):
I think it is? I think you did gengus Han.
Apparently they just destroyed libraries kind of recreation.

Speaker 1 (01:02:09):
They were like those marauders, just destroy everything, destroy that.
Like it's kind of like when you hear about them,
there's a bit of a romance idea, like but they
used to be traveling along. They'd like their horses. They
would drink their blood mixed with their horse milk and
just be like, I'll kill anybody. Like it is kind
of really haired, but there's romantic.

Speaker 2 (01:02:30):
That's what that should be like.

Speaker 1 (01:02:33):
That's why were we think is kind of last remember
the song that's why.

Speaker 2 (01:02:38):
That's why we have games, because we just real, deep down,
we should be able to drink drink.

Speaker 1 (01:02:43):
Horse horse blood and seeming, I mean milk. You're like
the lad that's the drinks buckets a horse common the
horse cow milk is really good.

Speaker 2 (01:02:55):
They're like, that's a bull.

Speaker 1 (01:02:57):
I don't care what it is. It's really good.

Speaker 2 (01:02:59):
They're going with waxes.

Speaker 1 (01:03:01):
Look, man, what's going to give you more testosterone? Ingesting
and guzzling horse semen or drinking horse milk was going
to give you more strogen. Let's be real. The best
way to drink horse semen is with your s.

Speaker 2 (01:03:18):
Suppositories. You talked about your suppository.

Speaker 1 (01:03:22):
Last week, man, that was last week. They're holding well,
supposes they've finished now a few weeks. No signs, deep
all the way, all the way.

Speaker 2 (01:03:33):
Job like a little job for a time.

Speaker 1 (01:03:37):
At some point, your body's autoimmune disease going to raise
my mind.

Speaker 2 (01:03:43):
We want to fix that.

Speaker 1 (01:03:44):
Yeah, I can give funk. Man, I'm here whatever, I'll
be around till I'm not around. We'll fix it. Man
to you in hospital, stop taking iron test.

Speaker 2 (01:03:56):
I've had enough.

Speaker 1 (01:03:57):
I've had going around. I can't do this anymore. I'm
literally bringing my biggest goal of the day has not
filled the toilet completely with bloods. It's probably an accurate
reflection in the future. Man, you look, he did what

(01:04:21):
I had to do when I was younger. Now it's
just the slow walk towards entropy. It's fine, brother. The
medical establishment been able to figure out just how beneficially
are you? He was there, The answer was there all along,
so simple. You'd wonder how they didn't figure out.

Speaker 2 (01:04:45):
Give me, give me stiz get gf I was.

Speaker 1 (01:04:52):
I can't believe I put so many steroids in my ar.
All I did was eat cheer seeds with my.

Speaker 2 (01:04:57):
Mouth like he was just not understanding the is why
cheese and crackers look like I made a bit of avocado.
It's too slimy. It's great like fiber. It is about
fibers in my intestines, and fiber.

Speaker 1 (01:05:17):
Fiber will bake your ship soft, which will aggravate the
ulcers left. But the ulcers still survive. They wait, They
wait under shadow of darkness, kind of oiled inside your
unculating intestine.

Speaker 2 (01:05:30):
It's kind of funny how the Onis were the hikings
of ulster and you're the hiking of ulcers.

Speaker 1 (01:05:35):
That was that was actually quite good. It's pretty good. Fun.

Speaker 2 (01:05:37):
That was very good. It's not what it was all along.

Speaker 1 (01:05:39):
Do you think I think if if one thinks like another,
it's only a matter of time before a manifest.

Speaker 2 (01:05:48):
Right, Okay, who thought about her?

Speaker 1 (01:05:51):
Was I honored with you at the forest analogy?

Speaker 2 (01:05:54):
I know? Space?

Speaker 1 (01:05:57):
Yeah, pretty much. That's the end of the episode anyway.
That there's about four more paragraphs.

Speaker 2 (01:06:02):
Interesting.

Speaker 1 (01:06:03):
It's just it's pretty much that again, isn't it. They
they just go, maybe there's a galact empire that keeps
the hostilities. They basically just start they're going, I'm making
things up. Why do you think it that.

Speaker 2 (01:06:15):
You won't even make things?

Speaker 1 (01:06:16):
He's like, maybe he just called maybe there's enomorphs out there?
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:06:20):
Ellen Art is out today thirteenth.

Speaker 1 (01:06:22):
I believe tomorrow tomorrow. I really want to see that.

Speaker 2 (01:06:26):
It's posible, but probably badly. I'm watching the Bear season, just.

Speaker 1 (01:06:32):
Getting stressed out watching Let's Cook.

Speaker 2 (01:06:34):
Yeah, it's weird, man, It's It's one of the only
shows I watch where it's like, I don't know, it's
because most of the time, maybe I just watched it.
It that's not really like that. But it's not human
maybe like a lot of the type of stuff I
watched is like fighting fucking dire wolves and stupid crap.
But it gets you kind of I wouldn't say a

(01:06:56):
bit emotional. Maybe a bit sentimental, wouldn't be ball or not,
but like.

Speaker 1 (01:07:01):
You don't feel necessary. I think there's certain shows you're
watch and you watch them and it's like there's a
comfortable feeling. The bear doesn't seem I had a hard
time watching it just because of the flashbacks. I got
to work and in restaurant.

Speaker 2 (01:07:15):
I was like about stress, Like that's what I was
saying about it when when I first watched it on air,
and I said, like, it's like if anyone watching it
never worked in service.

Speaker 1 (01:07:26):
It's a it's a it captures that feeling of kind
of fervor very well.

Speaker 2 (01:07:30):
Yeah, and the irony is the funny part is like
you know they're like trying to go on for Michelin,
but like we were working in fucking just local places
still the same or like.

Speaker 1 (01:07:39):
It's not I need to expect that, like the speed
of service might slow down a bit of Michelin, but
it doesn't like you just have to make class stuff fast.

Speaker 5 (01:07:49):
Yeah, mental, I don't know. I don't like it, Yes chef, Yeah, yes, chef.
So that's it anyway, Aliens then class.

Speaker 1 (01:08:01):
I do. There's too much shit going on, Like, look,
maybe they're not aliens, but all the weird stuff that's
being shown. Unless it's some sort of elaborate government hoax
aka Project Blue Bream, then there's something. Whether they're interdimensional
or heaven for biblical or whatever they are, there's something

(01:08:23):
going on, or there's an ex there's one of the
biggest hoaxes we've ever seen that seems to be driven
by deep state government or something. I don't know, So
I think that's they're around.

Speaker 2 (01:08:38):
Yeah, I don't know. The jority's out for me. Sometimes
sometimes it depends on what they ask me, how I feel.

Speaker 1 (01:08:44):
Well, I know, And sometimes depends how alone you are,
because I start thinking about getting abducted by aliens and
you're by yourself in the house. That gives you the
hebgb's when I drive home every night. I think of
it tonight and I've known I'm going to think about
it for the last hour. When I'm driving home, I
go in through the States. Yeah, no one's ever there, obviously,
and it would be so easy for them to just

(01:09:05):
beam me up beasts.

Speaker 2 (01:09:09):
It's what happened.

Speaker 1 (01:09:09):
I don't want to be abducted by aliens. I don't
like what I've heard, you know, unless know, if I can.

Speaker 2 (01:09:17):
Maybe the bad stories man stems reviews, you're only getting.

Speaker 1 (01:09:20):
The bad to be fair Antonia vs. Boas he had
that nice sex. I'm married, though, I can't be just
Madinos Virginias.

Speaker 2 (01:09:31):
That was.

Speaker 1 (01:09:31):
That was the girls that found them, the Brazilian girls
that found.

Speaker 2 (01:09:34):
Them right, well, believe it. They're on a high not
I think we covered a lot of ground today, A
lot of experts sort of discussion, high level, you know,
fringe thinking, Yeah, Sigma they.

Speaker 1 (01:09:46):
Yeah, Sigma is hard. I don't ever remember doing I
don't know it was even allowed to do it. The
Catholic thing was it? Probably the mats I just did
ordinarily was just difficult, as Sigma t he or.

Speaker 2 (01:09:56):
Probably learning how many yus Henry dead had or something
here to go you actually memorizing their names.

Speaker 1 (01:10:03):
Yeah, and Henry the eighth. Yeah, he brought Protestantism. Top
Shager wanted the shag exactly, he said, no, he wanted
he wanted male children. I wondered to what ex sense
he was he was like.

Speaker 2 (01:10:27):
Make men at that point you just called like ash,
look maybe I'm fire in Sicily.

Speaker 1 (01:10:32):
That's what a rational person would do. You wouldn't cut
the head off here, like but.

Speaker 2 (01:10:35):
You don't need you don't need a successor back then,
well like it just sure Lizzy, Lizzy got They weren't
like Lizzy back then though, it would have been like
a sign of weakness.

Speaker 1 (01:10:46):
No, but I mean even prior to that, well, Queen Elizabeth,
Queen Victoria, all those bitches, they know they were after
but were they the heirs or were they married to
other dudes?

Speaker 2 (01:10:58):
Like what I'm saying is like they wouldn't have honored
that back then, like like they would have went Henry
days a watful and bitch.

Speaker 1 (01:11:05):
Patriots patriarchy again.

Speaker 2 (01:11:08):
Yeah, so and to be fair, like the Lizzy thing
is more of an anomaly because well I don't think
anyone thought he would be queen for so long.

Speaker 1 (01:11:17):
Would have been would have been handlier if they just
did trans on it, like yeah, fellow, that's the end
of it.

Speaker 2 (01:11:26):
Yeah, you know that would have changed Henry's life.

Speaker 1 (01:11:29):
It's a you go back. You know, these women didn't
have it too easy even in the with royal blood.
You still didn't have the same rights as a man
was just.

Speaker 2 (01:11:39):
Getting You're basically just at the mercy of the ladger
or like it was really dark. Somebody argue it's like
that for some instead.

Speaker 1 (01:11:46):
Of the ball like that for some men as well.

Speaker 2 (01:11:49):
Yeah, like there's less of a mercy of another fellow.

Speaker 1 (01:11:53):
No, I would say at the mercy of a woman
more so. You see the stats on on marriages quick one,
Lesbians have the highest rate of divorce. Yeah, straight couples
have the second highest rate, and in the leading position
of less divorces are gay men. That checks, Like, is
that because of women?

Speaker 2 (01:12:12):
Yeah? Probably, Well, fucking lesbians are toxic motherfuckers a lot
of time.

Speaker 1 (01:12:16):
Is that because there's two women?

Speaker 2 (01:12:17):
Yeah? Probably? Yeah, sorry lesbians.

Speaker 1 (01:12:19):
I always got a lot of lesbian when i'd say
more so sorry women, while I say sort of out.
Sometimes you need to just have a bit of food
ready for your man when she comes home. He sounds
he respects, respect.

Speaker 2 (01:12:36):
Watch your tongue.

Speaker 1 (01:12:37):
Look, you don't be upset, and he's been working hard
all week as of you, But he's the man, so
you must. Yeah, none of that ship washes anymore because.

Speaker 2 (01:12:46):
Like Saturday easy buy. When I look at the legs
of my granda, I'm like, like they did work a
lot to be fair to him.

Speaker 1 (01:12:52):
But yeah, i'd say, I don't think. I don't think
it like works. Stress wasn't the thing back then. It
wasn't like productivity. I'm like, it was fuckers hold the
ladder up by you when you just got up. These
bastards they got handy to be fair then the war
nice job.

Speaker 2 (01:13:09):
But yeah, he sure he wouldn't have touched and I
was fucking iron. He doesn't know how overdoes or not?
Do you know what I mean, doesn't know? Yeah, doesn't.

Speaker 1 (01:13:17):
The modern man has, I mean, to be fair, we've
come on leaps and bones, as have the women's rights movement.

Speaker 2 (01:13:24):
M m. Men like men like I'm not talking when
I said this, but like us now versus like our granddads.
It's almost like we're like a different species.

Speaker 1 (01:13:34):
Yeah, yeah, I think that's fair. Like it is like
maybe there was some like progressive granddads back in the
day that be helping with the housework and stuff. I'm
sure there was, like would be especially on a weekend,
and they were you know, just just empathy and just
being like well, I'm not gonna let you clean all
this ship yourself, you know, but.

Speaker 2 (01:13:51):
Probably just lads like you, because they would have been like, oh, yeah,
I'm going out to fix the carner drives there when
you do the housework, best of luck, yeah, or I'm
gonna do this or that, like would have just done that.

Speaker 1 (01:14:02):
Sausages Creed's wife. She was She's a strong woman.

Speaker 2 (01:14:06):
No, she was like fucking sausage crazy into.

Speaker 1 (01:14:12):
Nests and she was like a super super sweet woman.
But like she had worked really hard in London and
all sorts of stuff, so she was very independent.

Speaker 2 (01:14:23):
She was like, you just not bringing back fucking knights
templars gowns, and she.

Speaker 1 (01:14:27):
Was like, you fucking iron that nice templar gown yourself.
What I need to go into the simulation?

Speaker 2 (01:14:38):
Are you doing?

Speaker 1 (01:14:38):
Sassinized the Lord Bear of Water. He was in Reginald's tower.
You fucking iron it yourself, you prick, You're useless fucking brick.

Speaker 2 (01:14:50):
Yeah, I'm glad we ended on the sausage Creed.

Speaker 1 (01:14:53):
It was a nice not crazy, I'm sure like when
I die and c against like, how damn here you
make a fucking showed me in front of all my people.
My grandad. He was pretty cool. If there was any
granddad I had, actually my other granddad he was. He
was kind of a longer slender mankind. He was very

(01:15:15):
handsome now as you'd see from my sort of genes
from mas that. No, my ma's dad was a sausage.
My dad's dad was.

Speaker 2 (01:15:24):
He was just my granddad, very bad boy.

Speaker 1 (01:15:28):
Kill Kenny technically, yeah, my nanny was from Tipperary, but
they technically they did live in kill Kenny, although a
lot of water for people would fight you about that
because it's over the bridge and it's technically in kill Are,
but the postcode is very bad. But you know, he
was a charming kind of a character.

Speaker 2 (01:15:45):
The whiskey at night wouldn't be like yourself.

Speaker 1 (01:15:49):
Well, to be fair, look, high functioning alcoholism runs in
every Irish family.

Speaker 2 (01:15:54):
Spoken like a true alcoholic.

Speaker 1 (01:15:57):
High functioning alcoholic. I'll have you Peace's Robert. I think
everyone takes heroin sometimes I believe that I'm aw functioning
opiate smoker.

Speaker 2 (01:16:07):
Doesn't everyone take percosets in the more than I have.

Speaker 1 (01:16:12):
A terrible ache in my mind?

Speaker 2 (01:16:14):
Better take a percocet. Yeah, that's it's great to be class.
My Granddad's are grand they're still fucking alive. Bottom they
bought her hanging in.

Speaker 1 (01:16:23):
You've got one who's kind of half in the animals.

Speaker 2 (01:16:26):
Bottom bottom half bottle of the armoused or like, I
don't know, man, they're fucking tough cons Yeah, like they're
just tough bastards. Like I actually don't call my granda
now when I'm like Jesus Christ.

Speaker 1 (01:16:41):
You probably have an element of that composition to be fair,
maybe or maybe not. Like the funny thing I think
the thing is like when you do, like my nanny
live to be like ninety four, but like the last.

Speaker 2 (01:16:53):
Few years it was just like she was like this
fucking so yeah, someone.

Speaker 1 (01:16:56):
I don't want to get there. I want to go
a year or.

Speaker 2 (01:16:59):
Two before someone wise that said that. You know, they
don't don't know how to keep you alive. They don't
know how to improve your quality of Like yeah, yeah, yeah,
and that's very very true.

Speaker 1 (01:17:08):
And you're kind of going out at a certain point,
is it like let them walk off?

Speaker 2 (01:17:13):
You see? The the brain is an extremely funny thing.

Speaker 1 (01:17:15):
It wants to live.

Speaker 2 (01:17:17):
Yeah, no matter how fucked up you are, wants to live.
That's the thing that that's the thing that people forget. Now,
there are some people who are like, yeah, send me
off to fucking Switzerland, wherever the fu that there was,
give me a toddler on on the fucking execution.

Speaker 1 (01:17:27):
And to be fair, a lot of times, I'm sure
that's down to quality of life and really horrible terminal illnesses.

Speaker 2 (01:17:34):
There's sometimes that's just like I'm after that, send me
over to Switzerland, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:17:39):
Which, again I suppose is somewhat understandable.

Speaker 2 (01:17:42):
There are some people who I think there's there is
there is a guard. I can remember them who was
just like I'm just missed a lot of the time,
Like so I just want to die.

Speaker 1 (01:17:50):
I hope that she tried some sort of she tried
everything apparently just wasn't working out.

Speaker 2 (01:17:54):
She was just like but then, like you wonder is
like you being a bit negative door negative? I want
to I'm going to a different country to be you.
Like life this ship for everyone, though, Like maybe you're
looking at.

Speaker 1 (01:18:14):
What you would say, Yeah, before you go and do that,
why not collect yourself a bit of money and go
on a heroin or just see you're like.

Speaker 2 (01:18:27):
Like go out on your shiel. You know, it's tough,
it's tough, like because if you ended up like a
spot and you have like.

Speaker 1 (01:18:34):
A lot of syndrome or out unless I have a
class like some sort of cool imagination imaginarium, but you wouldn't,
like you'd just be sitting there being like this fucking sucks. Yeah, years,
So better change that.

Speaker 2 (01:18:52):
I think, I think, I think we all do. This
is a lesson for all of our able bodied listeners
right now and like myself.

Speaker 1 (01:18:58):
Enjoy what you can.

Speaker 2 (01:18:59):
I think we take we do take it for granted
because oftentimes your lungs for granted, Yeah, you do, like
and oftentimes you hear from people who are like form
radicts or that that you know, you do take your
health for granted, and a lot of time by the
time you realize it's too late, like you know, like say, yeah,
you break your fucking break something that can't heal, and

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you're like, Jesus, I wish I could just get back
to that one time when I had that, and it's
like not well.

Speaker 1 (01:19:27):
Even down to little things like if you love walking
and then you get like planters and it's really painful,
Like that's that's a lot and that's such a common
normal thing to happen. You know you love drinking, but
the locker, the doctor says, the locktor, he's the dogs

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the locker, you know, cirrhosis of deliver then you go over.
But I want to drink though.

Speaker 2 (01:19:55):
Pangaea isis.

Speaker 1 (01:19:57):
I listened to an interesting thing about a guy who
took Heroin one day kind of like didn't mean to,
just had this sort of a whimmys in his twenties.
I was just talking about how class Yeah I read it,
how class it was. And then within like then it
went back to him like two years later and he
had like gotten a wife, gotten himself clean, but he
went through.

Speaker 2 (01:20:16):
Like documented the whole thing. I talked about that. I
actually talked about that on here before.

Speaker 1 (01:20:20):
Yeah, I was listening to a podcast about it. But
it was really interesting.

Speaker 2 (01:20:24):
See you already listened to a podcast about it, and
it was my own discussion.

Speaker 1 (01:20:30):
Just see, we put out so many now, we put
out so many podcasts, man, that sometimes hard to remember.
Like someone said we should do an episode on Baba.
Yeah I get, and it was like, I think we've
actually done that.

Speaker 2 (01:20:40):
Yeah, I can tell you about that episode we were
doing frag Oh was that where we.

Speaker 1 (01:20:46):
Were doing new metal? That was that was, but I
remember that was more relevant than ever.

Speaker 2 (01:20:52):
We were still remote. Yeah, and it was just after
Christmas we recorded that one. I think it was like
a January.

Speaker 1 (01:20:58):
Was Nigel Frage living in it was?

Speaker 2 (01:21:00):
It was that episode, Remember that that was great.

Speaker 1 (01:21:02):
I didn't realize that that was it was. Yeah, that
new metal Forrage core was pretty good.

Speaker 2 (01:21:07):
That was good fun.

Speaker 1 (01:21:09):
Get back to your own country. So for right here
that it was this is Nigel Forrage. That's what he's
kind of what he runs on. Let's be real, right, well, what.

Speaker 2 (01:21:21):
About them right adds not together of course monsters fan fiction.

Speaker 1 (01:21:29):
We have to try fucking your own dick in yours evaporate.

Speaker 2 (01:21:34):
So that's what the singularity means. That's when you can
write I am the Alpha and the absolutely listeners. Thanks
very much. And again, as we said in the last episode,
you know, if you skip the start then you want
to you know, you thought you escaped the clutches of advertisements.
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Speaker 1 (01:21:58):
Simony or not.

Speaker 2 (01:21:58):
We need the camera eat something. And when I say camera,
I mean versace slices.

Speaker 1 (01:22:05):
No, they don't know that it's going on, getting on
her shite

Speaker 2 (01:22:09):
Phone right anyway, I rob, I mean masterfuls over out