The Disappearance Of Maureen Leianuhea Kelly

Maureen Leianuhea “Anu” Kelly, 19, from Vancouver, Washington, was with a group of friends at Canyon Creek Campground in the Gifford Pinchot National Forest near Cougar, Washington on Sunday, June 9, 2013.

She left them around 5 pm, saying she was going on a “spiritual quest” and would return by midnight. She took off her shoes and clothes and was wearing only a pack around her waist that contained knives, matches, and a compass when she left.

She failed to return that evening, and her friends reported her missing in the early hours of June 10. She was never seen again. Was this just a case of misadventure in the forest, self-harm, or foul play?

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Episode Transcript

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liners in Commando.

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Speaker 2 (02:58):
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What's what are we talking about that for listening?

Speaker 1 (03:07):
I don't know. I just started.

Speaker 2 (03:08):
They're upset, upset because we're talking about Armader, not about.

Speaker 1 (03:15):
We're talking about Maureen Leanway Kelly nineteen when she disappeared
in Vancouver, Washington.

Speaker 2 (03:23):
So it's a.

Speaker 1 (03:24):
Strange, it's it's a strange. It's normal. I think we
would have known women who would do similar to but
it's also strange. And then it made me made my
brain awaken from its slumber once again and think, is
this like the four to one one stuff from David?
Is there any crossover here? So we go over the case,

(03:44):
we look into a base. I don't think we've talked
much about for one one on the show before.

Speaker 2 (03:48):
We didn't because Gordos all this four years ago that
he was going to do this informal.

Speaker 1 (03:53):
A paragraph about for this and form one and then
a few things about how it does and how it
doesn't Deligne and I think at some point we'll just
do episodes. You could do loads of misinformal episodes, but
it's basically just like all those books. I read one
of the books and it's basically just like I'm not
saying it was big Foot of aliens or what was it?

Speaker 2 (04:15):
You see, it gets sticky, right, and we'll talk about
it in this episode, But it does get sticky when
someone dies or disappears, because you know it. What I
where it gets sticky from me is you're like, ah, yes,
so rather than using resources to try and fucking find
the missing person or a dead person or someone who's

(04:36):
buried some of the woods, let's just say Bigfoot to
this kind of just like like it's a bit of
a rug pull almost or something kind of just a bit.
I don't think that's the official, no official, no, no,
I know that, But in general I'm just saying I'm
always conflicted between that. It's like those two there's two
forces there. There's a force and part of you where

(04:57):
you go a lot of time I disappeared people who
just like the Eliza Lambkes that was talked about on
the pot before you do it does come into hell
where you're like, oh, is there something more to it?
But then sometimes probably not. Well Ockham's raiser a lot
of the time, probably not, but then you never know.

Speaker 1 (05:14):
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the tropes of four on one, but you give people
an idea. There's some stuff in the missing four on
one cases where like a child, say, went missing, and
the child was eventually found again, but the child told
a story about how a bear took care of him
and fed him while he was which seems very unlikely
for a bear. So the assumption, and again he doesn't

(05:36):
say it, but the assumption is that there was some
sort of a big foot tightening.

Speaker 2 (05:40):
Now that I'm on board, that's pretty cool.

Speaker 1 (05:42):
There's some other stuff they have where they check they
check certain places for the body, they don't find it,
and then later they find the person in this exact place,
but when they do the post mortem, they would have
been dead at the time, which means they were moved
after death, which is pretty so. There's some very interesting

(06:02):
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lot of people who would detract from that and say
it's all garbage. I don't really know where I stand
on it, but it's interesting.

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listen to this bit love No, it's very funny, and
then they just face their.

Speaker 2 (07:51):
Walk into the kitchen sometimes and the Missus podcast on
some podcasts and I'm like, oh, this is probably what
that feels.

Speaker 1 (07:57):
Like, so probably whatever stuff and it's all in Portuguese.
I just can't really understand. Yeah, although she told me
there's one it's called piccol lemon, which means sour sour
lemon ice cream. Yeah, and there's a mad story in
there about like a ghoul a sort of character, so

(08:21):
like they were six feet tall person behind the gate,
but they had the face of a baby and very
evil and nasty looking.

Speaker 2 (08:29):
It was.

Speaker 1 (08:29):
It seemed very scary and when I heard class so yeah,
so and she told me, but then she'd be like,
I have to stop listening to it because it's too scary.
But the Brazilians go fairly all in. Yeah, when they
get spooky, it's like anything. Brazilian hot dogs, Brazilian pieces

(08:51):
of Brazilian ghost stories. They just they up the anty,
they go, how much fucking sauce were going to put
on this thing?

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I boppy, it's so.

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Speaker 2 (09:34):
So before we get into a marine. It's a baby,
not a corner.

Speaker 1 (09:40):
There is.

Speaker 2 (09:40):
I have a voice there, I have a bit of
a I have a bit of a.

Speaker 1 (09:47):
Sometimes doing these episodes we're talking about someone disappearing, I
feel a little bit like yeah, and I feel bad
about laughing at it because I don't know what we're
going to start talking about but I would like to
say at the outset that this is like a nineteen
year old taken before time. Now I'm not gonna acknowledge
that I've said this later in the episode when we
start making loads of stupid jokes, probably about genitally a

(10:10):
sophomore humor, but I will say it now. I say
hots with the family and all that sort of stuff,
And now we don't really know what because we don't
care about what we say, so we don't know what's
going to come next. But I cared about that thing
I said, I do all the stuff we talk to
people who die. It's like it's more real than some
fucking CONTs turned into the wind to go.

Speaker 2 (10:32):
No one cares about that you're wearing Olivia or jacket.

Speaker 1 (10:35):
Called fucking what. I'm actually warm, thinking back, Did you
put on the.

Speaker 2 (10:38):
Heat or was yeah?

Speaker 1 (10:39):
I did?

Speaker 2 (10:39):
Because remember last year sometimes you were wise and you
were seting us giving your herd.

Speaker 1 (10:43):
No, it's weather you war now. But I'm sitting here
now and I can't. I can't really want the T
shirt on Street Fighter T shirt. I was actually at
a Pearl Jam gig and obviously everyone's wearing like they're
they're shirt. But I was wearing my streetweight teacher and
a guy unge man and came up and said, I
just want to say, bro fucking cool T shirt man,
and I was like.

Speaker 2 (11:04):
Yeah, so what are we American? I'm becoming over I'm sorry.

Speaker 1 (11:07):
Do you think I got this T shirt so that
you could talk?

Speaker 2 (11:11):
Sorry talking to me? I was. I was like, oh, thanks, brother,
I do, actually I do. The character. Yes, it was
a Brazilian couple. I never bought one Gannger hats, not
like on you brought me back at you very similar.

Speaker 1 (11:22):
Did you bring your bring your ganger?

Speaker 2 (11:24):
Actually didn't because I was like trying to kind of
keep myself under the neuro divergent threshold. So I think
I feel that the gang.

Speaker 3 (11:35):
As soon as you put it on, just forget out
to tell your shoelaces and get classic mats. I feel
like it was too You're like, oh no equals three
point one two. I I til.

Speaker 2 (11:52):
I feel like I'm about to have to take sensory
breaks and everything, to be honest, but I will. I
will probably maybe the next one.

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There's a sensory shop downtown now, yeah, and like going
to that shop that just always closes down no matter what.
The sensory place now no, no, and I probably won't.
So there we are.

Speaker 3 (12:16):
There's no reason for me to go.

Speaker 1 (12:19):
There's no reason.

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What do you have that I want? When the retro
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autism is taking care of be a retro.

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That's true. It's not a bit of a PlayStation two
games that don't feel like PlayStation two gs.

Speaker 2 (12:45):
Alright, it's time to start caring about what you say.

Speaker 1 (12:47):
I plaies again to the family. So we got some
of these notes from Vocal Media. Dave Lynn was the
person who wrote it. It sounds like a trans name.
I don't know, but I wish them well. Dave Lynn
is like a mesh of a girl's name and a
boy's name. Oh yeah, you know.

Speaker 2 (13:11):
Moving on.

Speaker 1 (13:20):
Right here we go, sorry again moreen. Maureen lan Yui
or Annu Kelly, who was nineteen from Vancouver, Washington, was
with a group of friends at Canyon Creek Campground in
the Gifford Pinchot National Forest near Cougar, Washington, on Sunday,
June ninth, twenty thirteen. At about five pm. She left them,

(13:44):
saying that she was going on a spiritual quest and
return by midnight. Now, in this it says something about
them not being on drugs, but I've read several other
reports that say they were quite heavily on drugs, and
this would indicate that that second part is probably right.
So she said she's going a spiritual quest, should be
back by midnight. She then takes off her shoes and

(14:04):
clothes and only wears a pack around her waist that
contained knives, matches, and the compass. She failed to return
that evening, and her friends reported her missing in the
early hours of June the tenth. She was never seen again.
And so people have they have a few different theories,
a few different questions, as is off to the case
with this missing person and stuff.

Speaker 2 (14:24):
So I just saw that. I'm so she went nude
with she had.

Speaker 1 (14:30):
Basically, she went like Joe Rogan has a little fanny
pack and.

Speaker 3 (14:35):
It's the bat. Get a mist the bat.

Speaker 1 (14:38):
He looks like a good from Americ.

Speaker 2 (14:41):
So, Gifford, you said Pinchaw, I want to say Pincott
like that.

Speaker 1 (14:47):
I don't care.

Speaker 2 (14:48):
It's the American side said, it's a Pincott.

Speaker 1 (14:50):
We don't care.

Speaker 2 (14:51):
Pinct National Forest and the Canyon Creep camp Ground. So
Harry are in a slow head in southern Washington has
an area one point three two million acres. Can you
imagine that? Can you imagine that many acres? I can't
as big as Ireland even one find out how many

(15:13):
place in Ireland it extends?

Speaker 1 (15:16):
Hello, Google, that doesn't It.

Speaker 2 (15:18):
Extends one hundred and sixteen kilometers along the western slopes
of the Cascade range from Mount Rainier National Park to
the Columbia River.

Speaker 1 (15:26):
Oh fuck, Ireland is twenty point nine million acres.

Speaker 2 (15:32):
Okay, so it's a twentieth of Ireland, which again that's apple.
Like Wexford Ample. It is on the crest of the
South Cascades of Washington State, spread out over broad old
growth forests, high mountain meadows, several glaciers, and numerous volcanic peaks.
Like the start of the Rocky Raccoon, is that the

(15:54):
cartoon see.

Speaker 1 (15:56):
Is that the moose moose is maris the moose? Rocky
raccoon be more of a moose his rocky raccoon of moose,
He's actually a raccoon.

Speaker 2 (16:09):
Nam and Babe Pig in the City is about his neck. Yeah, Rockies.
Remember him when I know no who is the moose man?
There was a rocky and bowl Winkle.

Speaker 1 (16:25):
That's what I'm thinking of, ye, So there was some
sort of tenuous grasp of my dying brains.

Speaker 2 (16:31):
The farest highest point is twelve thousand feet and that's
at Mount Adams. Now that is the second tallest one
out in the state after Rainier. It's often abbreviated GPNF
of course on maps and the texts. And it includes
one thousand, one hundred acres of Mount Helen's National Volcanic Monument,

(16:52):
which was established by Congress in nineteen eighty two.

Speaker 1 (16:55):
A little bit of backstory, well done.

Speaker 2 (16:57):
Wow. The Canyon Creek Campground in the Gifford Pinkcot National
Forest is described as a small, lightly used campground tucked
into the dense forest adjacent to Canyon Creek. Eight campsites
are available for tent camping. And there's only only with
the table and a fire ring. Okay there, so that's
the cracker. To get there from Shalachi on Highway five

(17:20):
oh three, travel east on Road fifty four. Right on
Road fifty three. There is no site sign marking the
campground entrance. Do not continue Overroad three seven oh one.
It is not maintained. It is narrow and brushy, so
it's hard to get to big brushyshy. So that's the background.

(17:44):
That's the setting, vibrant forest, majestic, beautiful scenery for a dream.

Speaker 1 (17:51):
The start of it, they're all having cracked taking heroin.
It's great fun. Then slowly asked the ass doesn't end
well for anybody. For anybody.

Speaker 2 (18:01):
The end of that film was that traumatic that it
just kind of burned into my brain after watching it,
I was like, oh, I didn't expect that.

Speaker 1 (18:09):
And even the poor mother who was just speakings probably
the saddest of all. You feel really bad.

Speaker 2 (18:13):
Our stories like the saddest.

Speaker 1 (18:14):
Probably she didn't knowingly what was she taking diet pills
or something like that?

Speaker 2 (18:19):
Speed, isn't it?

Speaker 1 (18:21):
Yeah, the fucking kitchen is talking to her by the
end of it, like sad rough time happened to myself.
So who was Maureen? And new Kelly?

Speaker 2 (18:29):
Tell me?

Speaker 1 (18:31):
Maureen was born on September twenty sixth, nineteen ninety three,
with a Pacific Islander heritage. She had spoken to friends
and family for some time about going on a spiritual
quest before her disappearance, so This is kind of like
when you and me would talk about disappearing into like
doing an Alexander super trampan it basically, yeah, if we
had actually done that, and they may have thought that

(18:52):
we might have perished in a forest, this is like
somewhat similar to that. Funnily enough, a buddy of mine
I was talking to him on the weekend. He was like, Jeff,
just feel like cutting everybody off, And I was like, yeah,
but kind of in reverse, like sometimes I just want
to leave everything and just walk away from my life.

Speaker 2 (19:09):
Yeah, that that that would be pretty much how I
felt a lot. I think some of that though, is
like as I get older and I analyze it a bit,
maybe you're what's actually going on there is like it's
like negative. It's like you think it's going for you,
but it's probably not.

Speaker 1 (19:27):
Oh no, it's the same. I think it's at its core,
it's the same thing as drinking a bottle of whiskey,
like just trying to scale yourself.

Speaker 2 (19:34):
But you're like, and it's also astraction. It's like it's like, oh,
if I run away from everything, then I don't have
to deal with everything, but then.

Speaker 1 (19:42):
Sooner or later everything is back to you. Yeah, alright,
if you.

Speaker 2 (19:47):
Look down into that lake, you'll see a reflection and
you'll go there.

Speaker 1 (19:50):
He is there, he is.

Speaker 2 (19:51):
What am I doing here?

Speaker 1 (19:52):
I don't.

Speaker 2 (19:53):
I should be working nine to five?

Speaker 1 (19:57):
I miss, I need to check it.

Speaker 2 (19:59):
I miss. Yeah, And then they go back.

Speaker 1 (20:02):
So many trees saved by the majesty of Excel need
paper because you know, yeah, Excel.

Speaker 2 (20:12):
But then how much fuel is required to keep Eccel on?

Speaker 1 (20:15):
Well, this is it. Somebody coal wasted for Excel. So
much oil?

Speaker 2 (20:20):
How many people have died for Microsoft Excel. It'll just never.

Speaker 1 (20:24):
Feel like Excel has saved lives and it's taken. I think, Yeah,
those spreadsheets, man, some lovely pivot tables.

Speaker 2 (20:31):
After doing spreadsheets on how many people they can kill.

Speaker 1 (20:33):
Optimally, that's a fair point. Actually, Excel would be good
for that if you knew that, if you know you
could track it that.

Speaker 2 (20:40):
I'm saying it's pretty good now with power be as well.
Imagineer with Excel, I have balocks.

Speaker 1 (20:50):
Can you imagine if he had had Excel? I wonder
if he would have gotten further in his war efforts.
Probably this is probably like a Nick Fuente is talking about,
if I only had Excel I mean, well, Nick, Nick,
if you want to come on the show, probably I
don't think we have I don't think we have much

(21:10):
in common. Yeah, we could talk about like who do
you think is a more supreme being Hitler or Bigfoot?
Where does Bigfoot rank in your sort of weird weird
arian ideology.

Speaker 2 (21:23):
Is probably and the immigration though, because like the immigrants
have after walking with him, but.

Speaker 1 (21:28):
He be andy immigration from like that the perspective of
the Native Americans.

Speaker 2 (21:32):
That what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (21:33):
Yeah, I thought you meant more of a nick foinan
days like and.

Speaker 2 (21:36):
The Immigration, but that's kind of modern.

Speaker 1 (21:39):
I think that the Native Americans were probably the original America.

Speaker 3 (21:43):
Is all the cowboys were showing up and they're like.

Speaker 2 (21:47):
Not enough room, Like Victoria. It's pretty cool.

Speaker 1 (21:52):
So she was raised by a single mother, Mapuana, and
she was known as annew to her friends. She graduated
from Lewis and Clark High School.

Speaker 3 (22:00):
Lois and Clark.

Speaker 1 (22:01):
Weren't they adventures? Lewis and Clark? Lewis and Clark so
brand like Lewis and Clark, they were American? Were they
some sort of adventures or something American mixed up with?

Speaker 2 (22:13):
No?

Speaker 1 (22:14):
I know Lewis and Clark Kent. Yeah, Lois Lane, Clark Kent,
Dean Caine, Lois Lane. So there's a rhyme there if
you stute out the actors names. No, Lewis and Clark.
I think they were some sort of adventure I'm going
to check now because it's annoying me. So we know
that names. It is Lewis and Expedition. The Lewis and

(22:39):
Clark Expedition, also known as the Core of Discovery Expedition,
was the United size expedition across the newly acquired western
portion of the country after Louisiana purchased. Once again, my
dormant brain gives me the correct answer. Thank you, all right,
I take creatine from recall it's not working. She was

(23:01):
an aspiring singer and songwriting songwriter, and she often posted
ukulele videos on YouTube and watched any of those ding
getting getting getting getting getting getting getting getting getting getting.
That's my ukulelely sounds like Sherry Capou. Her half sister
described her as a very laid back, carefree girl and
an affectionate person, and he would call her shortly before

(23:24):
heading into the forest ask if she could borrow camping gear.
A friend of Kelly's Amanda Ziggler, stated that she was
not surprised Kelly had gone into the forest, though she
was concerned by Kellery entering the woods alone and without
any clothing. Now, she didn't enter the woods strictly on.
She was there with people when it happened. But I
suppose as she was going off into her adventure, that's

(23:45):
when they said, oh, probably shouldn't do that. But rob
there was a search for her. Oh.

Speaker 2 (23:52):
The Skamania County Sheriff's Department initiated a one week long search.
Under Sheriff Dave Cox said she had talked about doing
this spiritual quest for evidently quite some time. The folks
that she was with, they felt that this was something
she needed to do. It's a rough, remote area with
a lot of timber and brush. It's going to be

(24:13):
a tough goal for her, especially with no shoes. While
it was a little bit unusual for a nineteen year
old to leave a campsite nude apart from carrying a
fanny pack, Cox said there was no indication that she
was on drugs at the time for disappearance.

Speaker 1 (24:29):
As well, maybe they didn't catch anything in.

Speaker 2 (24:34):
Well, I'd say like the fact that she left the
campsite nude with a fanny pack on is indication that
she was on drugs. The forest area where she was
lasting in Canyon Creek is steep and mountainous, with heavy
timber and brush, and Sharon Ward of Pacific Crest Sarchdag
said where she entered the creek is amazingly steep. It's

(24:55):
called Canyon Creek Campground for a reason. It's very, very steep.
So how she got down there barefoot is a wonder,
and how she came up out of the bottom is
a wonder. Search James determined she crossed Canyon Creek and
headed north, climbing upwards towards Forrest's Service fifty four, but
they lost the trail after that. Canine units were reportedly

(25:17):
unable to pick up a trace. Cox said the weather
was interfered with the search, or interfered with a thick
cloud covering prevented helicopters from scanning the Canyon Creek area
for signs of ANNU. This limited rescue cruise to search
land only. He said that because there's so much underbrush,
a searcher could literally walk right on top of somebody

(25:40):
if they're rolled under a log and never not. The
official search was suspended at six pm on June fifteenth
in twenty thirteen. And yeah, the final day of search
had seventy five people covering four square miles of challenging
to around looking now, before we get into what happened
to carry, this kind of case reminds me a little

(26:04):
bit of the more recent case of one a man
named Jay Slater who perished in Ireland. Was it was
maybe ten or reefs or something like that.

Speaker 1 (26:18):
Oh, this is the guy that was walking up similar.

Speaker 2 (26:20):
Age nineteen young anyway, definitely, I think definitely blowed twenty one. Anyway,
he went back to a party. It wasn't even a parody.
It was like four lads going back to a place
after a session. They went miles out. The two lads
he went back what were staying miles away in like

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comparative wilderness. Really it was a little village and he
you know, there were snapchats of them in the car,
there were snapchats of them laughing, taking pictures with the lads.
And then he was last seeing with them kind of.
He was actually he was last seeing in the village
asking someone for directions and he was literally like fucking
miles away, and he asked the local about like the

(27:04):
next bus, and you're once out to him like, ah, yeah,
about ten o'clock in the morning. I think it was
probably about eight in the morning, seven in the morning
or something, and he went, I fucked that, I'm going
to walk. And he totally underestimated the scenery the wilderness,
and there was a big seart she was missing for
quite a while. There was lots of conspiracies. There was

(27:25):
people saying he was still alive, that he was under
run from drug gangs, and there was like lots of
things where people were on TikTok saying like, oh, I've
got this sawn up. Like there was people pretending to
be just late or texting people. There was people pretending
to be his abductor saying that they had him and
they were keeping him until they paid out money. And
what had ultimately happened was he underestimated the train. He

(27:49):
had like fucking runners on. He basically walked down, fell
down a ravine, cracked his head open.

Speaker 1 (27:56):
That was it, and he was like hammered drunk as well.

Speaker 2 (27:59):
Yeah, would have been.

Speaker 1 (28:02):
Decisions.

Speaker 2 (28:03):
It would have been the next morning. So I probably
had a flight of fancy. But it was sad because
I mean he's a young lad. I mean people were
trying to vilify him as that, oh he was involved
in stuff back home. He's was like, listen, he was
a young lad. He made a round decision. It's sad.
It's sad for the family and everyone involved. But it
reminds me a bit of that, just because it's a
case of a young person kind of underestimating the scenery

(28:25):
and going off out into the wilderness.

Speaker 1 (28:27):
Yeah, yeah, for sure. So investigators believe it's likely that
she had died in a mishap in the wilderness, but
her body's never been found and the case is unsolved technically,
even though I would say, they're like, yeah, death by
misadventure like this, you know, Although the weather on the
day she disappeared it was mild, temperatures that night dipped
into the forties with some light range, so that she

(28:50):
could have quickly scum to exposure without any clothes. The
official search was suspended after just two days. It resumed
briefly after her family and friends protested, but to no
real avail. Despite the best efforts, there was nothing that
they could turn up, and as of February twenty twenty four,
ten years on, neither anw nor her belongings have been found.

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Although the authorities believe she succumbed to a fall or exposure,
her family and friends have a different theory, and her
friend Yasmin said that she may not want to be found.
One of her cousins has said that they believe that
she may have been picked up and joined by a commune,
and her brother had also made some interesting comments shortly
after she was reported missing that led others to speculate

(29:35):
that she may have just decided to start over somewhere,
which I guess at nineteen, you've probably just graduated school.
Your whole life is kind of opening up before you, so,
I mean, looked like to your points, the occham's razori
is probably just had an accident and died, seems most likely. Also,

(29:56):
if you're gone with no clothes, integrating into a new communit,
he might be tricky.

Speaker 2 (30:01):
Unless it is an ood community, which would you know,
which is more likelihood that olds like? Possibly, Yeah, I guess,
I guess if there's everyone going to be anod commune anywhere,
is going to be miles off into the woods away
from everyone, But I mean, people underestimate a lot of
things because we were in a fairly padded and comfortable society. Now,

(30:22):
one thing that people underestimate that anteke for granted is
like improper footwear. Like that's such a I've I've made
comments about people hiking and fucking runners before that I've
seen like lads gone up mountain and air force modes
and shit, and I'm like, they don't realize that they're
like one slip from breaking the ankle. And if you

(30:44):
break your ankle up and say your snows or your
bend nepces or it's like it's literally a huge resource
to try and get you down, Like it's like everyone
trying to get it. It's really hard to get someone
down off the mountain. Obviously you can do an airlift,
but sure that's a huge amount of resources. And so yeah,
I think I think like at nineteen, you're probably blind

(31:05):
to a lot of the things that well, no, sorry, no,
you're probably if you go off nude into the woods
with a bump bag on finally back, you are blind
to the dangers. Like there's no two ways about it.
It's one thing if she had a fucking proper jackets
Tarpaulan's tent roocksacking gear, proper fucking stuff. Like then you're

(31:26):
kind of going right. She had every single thing in
place to kind of ensure that she was going to last.
But like, yeah, you you know, one fall, one bad fall,
like you're gone, Like that's happened to Jess later felt
like he literally had a bad slip and I don't

(31:48):
know that they were saying they did a postmortem on
him and they were like the hit that he got
to his skull, he would have died instantly. But when
they turned on his phone, a message went through to
his mate from him saying, I'm listen, I'm not going
to make it so that whether he said that just
because he was kind of in the wilderness and he
kind of knew he was fucked, but like, yeah, did

(32:08):
he get in not like that far. He wasn't very
far from where he started, but it tooked like I
think it took like a month to find it find
he wasn't fire like he was close by.

Speaker 1 (32:17):
Like but sure, even if you if someone went missing
out in Caraclo Forest, yeah, it would be it's not
easy to and that's.

Speaker 2 (32:23):
People have got missing out there. Yeah, yeah, their bodies
have turned up, but the took just to find them.
That's a small area. So it really does depend. So
we're going to talk about now why it is tied
into Missing for On one.

Speaker 1 (32:39):
Why it is or why it isn't. It's so a
little bit of a missing Foremone and then just what
are some of the similarities and some of the parts
That said, of the part and Missing Forum one, I
supposed to be fair, it does cover a relatively wide expanse.
I did try to see if there was anything about
this particular girl in Missing for On one, but I
couldn't find. No, there's a lot of books, and they're
pretty dense. I've only read one of them. To be

(33:02):
honest with I was a bit fed up because after
you read like, yeah, just cases of people missing, like
you can read one hundred and fifty of them.

Speaker 2 (33:08):
Like it's there's a TV show. I found to be
like that, To be honest with you, I thought they
were kind of.

Speaker 1 (33:15):
It was.

Speaker 2 (33:17):
It was all stick, no carrot, maybe a little bit
sometimes of what you're expecting from it, do you know
what I mean? It was. What it was to me
was it was just too much, too easily explainable to
not be something just normal, like there was never really
anything where it was like, but they're here's something concrete
is so why it might be something more spooky And

(33:37):
when you get into that territory it, to me it
gets a bit squirrely for lack of a better term.
But let's talk about how Marian Kelly's case is actually
related to it and what people are saying. So. The
Missing for On is a series of investigative books and
documentaries by former police officer mister David Palidez, focusing on

(34:01):
unexplained disappearances of people in national parks and wilderness areas
across North America and occasionally abroad. Mister Platas identifies recurring
patterns in these cases where maybe people vanished suddenly, or
maybe that they have footprints found and then they stop
track and dogs can't find a scent, or victims are

(34:22):
found in areas that they previously searched, and he argues
that many of them defy normal explanations like accidents or
animal attacks, foul play or whatever. While the Palladas avoids
endorsing a specific cause, he kind of implies that something unusual, unusual,
or poorly understood may actually be occurring in remote national

(34:46):
natural settings, which I get, Like I'm okay with that,
you know, I mean it's.

Speaker 1 (34:51):
Yeah, he doesn't he doesn't out o say it, but
there's a big part of like you know, portals and
big foots and all all this stuff we've heard about
in the likes of Skinwalker Ranch and things like that.
It doesn't say it, but you know, when you are
telling a story about a child who says that a

(35:11):
bear took care of them and returned them, like he's
not saying, he's just I'm just reporting it, but like
you're kind of going, yeah, that's big foot, you know.

Speaker 2 (35:23):
Now.

Speaker 1 (35:23):
Don't get me wrong, I think it's an excellent story
and I would do something similar if I was writing
a book on these things. So I'm not saying that
he's a grifter or anything like that. In fact, he's
such a low profile I think that you probably couldn't
argue that he's a grifter. But he's massively he's massively
protective of that book series. Yeah, Like I think if
anyone puts that on anything, they just cease and desist

(35:45):
out the wild. Like he's very like fuck around and
find out with his books.

Speaker 2 (35:51):
So interesting mega that will there's end to make it.

Speaker 1 (35:56):
Yeah, but he's an old and old police officer.

Speaker 2 (36:11):
Critics, however, suggest that missing four one one phenomenon results
largely just from selection bias and ordinary wilderness risks, which
will investigator now noting that most cases could be explained
by a bit of hypothermia, a bit of disorientation, environmental hazards. Nonetheless,
the series is again the wide following for its eerie

(36:34):
tone and for highlighting the mystery and danger of the
wild place, as many people take for granted now in
which it does align though wilderness disappearance. Kelly vanished in
a forest wilderness setting, minimal clothing or gear. Kelly stripped
off clothes, carried minimal gear, life compass matches, which is

(36:54):
unusual for a hiker, cold overnight temperatures, the rapid dropping temperature,
and her lack of clothing mechs survival improbable, which is
one of the unusual risk conditions. Footprint tracks that end
the footprint leading to a road and then abruptly stopping
matches one of the footprints of vanished multis So.

Speaker 1 (37:13):
This is that's probably the standout one from anything with
the missing forum one, and I'd argue possibly the only
thing in this that really link links it at all
to missing form one is that they couldn't track her
the whole way. No, I understand as well, there's a
big well, actually know, there's a big piece of ring,
but they're still able to tracker across the canyon. So
at a certain point they just couldn't track anymore, which

(37:35):
I assume is probably fairly normal for trying to track people.
But again it because it seems like you know, a
disappearance if you like.

Speaker 2 (37:44):
Yeah, search and rescue difficulty. So there was the dense
fire steep train and failed K nine cent pickup, and
these echoed the challenge of well challenges that are usually
cited to missing form one one cases. Now there are
way as in which it differs or might limit its
inclusion into the framing of the missing FORMU on one
type of style. So the pre existing quest mode of

(38:08):
Kelly told friends that she was intentionally going off on
a spiritual quest. Many missing form on one cases involved
people who disappear unexpectedly rather than people who go missing
by design or intention to go missing, lack of subsequent
reappearing far away or finding of body in impossible location.

(38:29):
According to available information. There's no public record of Kelly
being found later in an unreachable or thoroughly sart spot,
so her body hasn't been found either, no evidence brought
public publicly of some ofly this is more exotic elements
e gy memory loss upon return found in impossible locations

(38:50):
or inexplicable weather anomaly tied exactly into the exactly to
the disappearance beyond the natural temp jap. And because the
official can inclusion leans toward hypothermia or accident rather than
unexplained forces, this case might just be considered explained by
wilderness conditions, which is less emphasized in misin Formal one's

(39:12):
mysterious framing.

Speaker 1 (39:14):
Yeah, like I tried to kind of find conspiratorial stuff
about this or some really outlandish theories, So I was
on Reddit and stuff. But the more like when I
went through it and there was no one really advocating
for you know that likes that likes the weird stuff. Like,
one of the things in Missing Form one is that
episode we did. Do you remember the felt I can't

(39:36):
even remember his name off the top. He had to
use his belt to tie himself to a tree because
the robot was trying to get him. Yeah, that's in
a missing formum one, like yeah, I believe. So, Yeah,
there's nothing madly and wildly outlandish, but it is a
pretty weird story.

Speaker 2 (39:52):
It's a weird story because, yeah, there could be a
lot of elements to it, like who knows. I mean,
Malkham's raiser is like she has she has native roots
and maybe she associated. I don't know. I haven't looked
into her her heritage. Maybe there are some tribal rituals

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from her heritage that involve going like being nude in
some my shape or form.

Speaker 1 (40:18):
I'm sure. Now, again they did say and when I
was reading the notes on Reddit, it said like yeah,
they had ingested mushrooms or some right, you know, cycling,
genetic cycle and psychoactive psychoactive substance, which again, you can
kind of understand taking off your clothes when you're on

(40:40):
something like that, like it it seems more normal than
you know, just to take them off for the crack.

Speaker 2 (40:45):
Yeah. Well yeah, so I think you can explain, Like,
so one of the things that you can explain in
kind of a lot of rational ways is yeah, to
taken off of the clothes, I think you can explain
it in either a she in her head had to
go on some kind of quest, some kind of ritual.
Maybe that tied in with some of her ancestry, and

(41:05):
maybe that did evolved been nude.

Speaker 1 (41:07):
Who knows, it's possible drugs. I didn't. I'm not sure
how connected she was to any of that, but you're
right it could be something like that.

Speaker 2 (41:15):
If she was the type of person that was to
want to do a spirit question, she was probably about that,
like you could be right like I and she was young.
Now if not, drugs are a perfect explanation there, I
think you can explain both cases. That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (41:35):
I think there's something as well about having the wherewithal
to keep the fanny pack with some fairly basic and
meager supplies, to be fair, but to have that with you.

Speaker 2 (41:46):
Maybe she said a challenge, like she could have said
to the lads, like looking down that creek and to
the other side, and I'll come back, and then she
just like that's me right, a passage or that's something
on you, like the thing is in that kind of
brutal wilderness is like she could have be they fallen
somewhere in there and just not still not be found.

Speaker 1 (42:02):
You know, something could have got her.

Speaker 2 (42:04):
Yeah, well she could have been well this is it.
She could have fallen and died and a barracle of
eating her then yeah.

Speaker 1 (42:10):
Yeah, because like if you think of cultures, you very
rarely find animal bones in the forest anyway, you know, but.

Speaker 2 (42:20):
Like it, you know, it's funny, Like it's not funny,
but the way a body can contort when it's dead.

Speaker 1 (42:26):
Yeah, yeah, you know, like you like.

Speaker 2 (42:28):
You could end up in any sort of weird position
and not really have as much of a footprint as
you would think a body would have. Yes, you know
you think of my finding a body, you think of
like digging up a body that was laying flash.

Speaker 1 (42:41):
You have more of a rag doll. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (42:42):
You could be wedged in a crack, It could be
fucking god knows what way. It could be mangled and
like that is literally mangled, Like it could be mangled.

Speaker 1 (42:50):
You could fall and just it's it's an awful thing
because like at the end of the day, she's still
this nineteen year old younger with her whole life ahead
of her, and you know, it's like anything any kind
of misadventure, you don't set out for something like this
to happen. Can you say it's irresponsible all there? So yeah,
but also she's nineteen, Like how many of us were
this responsible when we were nineteen? I would fucking do

(43:12):
something stupid like that when I was nineteen, maybe i'd
keep my pants on, but like you know, we would
probably would have done something similar when we were kids.
So yes, it's it's fairly tragic. It's just yeah, it's
just it's a it'sird cause it's a just it's like
it's like, how strange. And it's adjacent but not quite there.

Speaker 2 (43:30):
But it's in that neck of the woods. I mean,
you know. Either the other thing is like you could speculate,
I suppose was there some kind of cult involvement. Was
there some kind of weird, fucking spooky bastards somewhere and
they were like sharp nude?

Speaker 1 (43:43):
Well yeah, yeah, because I guess when was it twenty thirteen?
So it's in the time of Facebook and.

Speaker 2 (43:48):
That sort of start product around the woods.

Speaker 1 (43:50):
And she just take or maybe maybe that was the
thing she met people and she got take. Maybe Like
it is fun because you can have all these theories
because she hasn't been found, so you can like, well,
here's the obvious thing, you know, and then you have
your alien abduction stuff. You're some animal got her. I guess, yes,
she had maybe a ritual by some sort of weird group.

Speaker 2 (44:12):
This is very like the case that we talked about before.
What was the dude member that went missing in the
desert And this wasn't.

Speaker 1 (44:19):
The truck or was it, Oh, the fellow who looked
for the M Cave?

Speaker 2 (44:23):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's a lot like him.
Not the body is that him? No, it's not.

Speaker 1 (44:27):
You know, it was in Nevada Cave.

Speaker 2 (44:33):
Was that a different place?

Speaker 1 (44:34):
No? This was the M Cave found it? Yeah, it is.
It's similar. And again it's one of those ones where.

Speaker 2 (44:40):
I know I found him either did they No?

Speaker 1 (44:43):
But again you think about how vast the no they
never found him, because the idea was that he went
into this cave once before and he said it had
like a you know, it felt like these mad energies
or whatever, and so the idea was that he went
back in and the Kenya Kenny Beach that was it
that and potentially he had disappeared or been taken or

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some sort of otherworldly thing. It happened, and then his
partner at the time was saying, no, he was just.

Speaker 2 (45:11):
There's a lot of good YouTube series on the kind
of beach fella like there's lads that of retrest and
out lots of good resources on that too, and I'm
sure people have done the same with this young lady
here as well.

Speaker 1 (45:22):
And yeah, this is slightly less exotic just because there's
that cave the cave kind.

Speaker 2 (45:27):
Of thing and it was documented as well. He was
documented as he was gone.

Speaker 1 (45:30):
Righteh, he just didn't take the footage. But like, I
had this experience, which is pretty good. I like these
kind of missing hiker ones because they're I guess it's
mildly relatable in a spooky way, Like do you ever
think about just in a hiker or whatever? As it's
it's in Ireland, it's much easier because it's a small country,
but to just not know which way you should go, Yeah,

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and you're at a massive, massive like even the fact
that that place she's in is one twentieth of the
whole country we live in. That's huge.

Speaker 2 (46:04):
Oh got chah. I mean it can be alarming, you know,
if you don't have a well trodden path. It's actually
sometimes why you in Ireland, some of the hikes or
a bit hairy, because you know, Britain has all like
it's just by virtue of population. There's so many people
hiking the popular hiking trails that they're all well trodden now. Yeah,
but Ireland has a lot of fucking rugged hiking.

Speaker 1 (46:27):
A lot of people can just get into trouble even
though you wouldn't expect to. On an Irish like.

Speaker 2 (46:32):
There's a couple of there's a couple like and it's
a really popular hike, but the hike so it just
comes from Gown Lake and then the hike up around
the sort of table plateau mountain around it and you
come back down like that's hairy enough, like like that's
harry if you don't have experience and you're wearing a
proper foot where there's a there's one or two parts
of that where they're quite exposed and if you fall

(46:52):
or sleep, you're gone. Just down on a grassy like
you'll just tumble, you're gone. And it's a sheep track
that you're going up, so it's like literally fucking narrow
as walk like, so yeah, I think you have to
have your wits about you. I think this is another
case sadly of I mean when I was that age,
I I still do, I suppose, but I love nature

(47:15):
and you kind of idolize it and you kind of
think that, you know, you want to be one with
it maybe and you want to go off into it
and do your thing. But like, and that's probably how
she felt, so I can empathize and then you kind
of it just goes wrong. And when drugs But do
we know for sure drugs are involved?

Speaker 1 (47:35):
I don't then we know for sure. I I don't
know for sure. But what I read and read it
as one of the people said the people she was
with did say they were taking drugs, but I just
don't know if that's accurate or if he just said that.
But I like nineteen year olds in the forest together,
I'd be like, yeah, someone's probably got some drugs.

Speaker 2 (47:52):
Yeah, probably, So what like did the rest of them
were They just kind of like, I actually know, they
just said.

Speaker 1 (47:58):
She went off and they're like, ah, yeah whatever either.

Speaker 2 (48:01):
Did anyone look into them?

Speaker 1 (48:05):
Oh like if they did anything, I didn't find anything.
I'm sure they were questioned, but I'd say their their
stories all lined up and they're like, yeah, these lads haven't.
It's not like the Travis Walton lads where they thought
that he had you know, they had they had just
killed him when he'd actually been inducted by But.

Speaker 2 (48:22):
A lot of people do love a mystery, and it
was the same as that Jest later felt. It actually
reminds me of a lot of that case because yeah,
if drugs were involved, if there was a crowd involved,
and like it was someone underestimated or environment is very
similar case. And yeah, it's I think that does spark
for whatever reason, people kind of want to know all

(48:45):
the answers, you know, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (48:47):
And there's there, there is, And again, to be fair
in the kind of circles that we would be exposed
to from doing this podcast, you do tend to have
people that come up with explanations that are as far
to the left as possible. And do you know, because
it advocates I suppose for various cryptid type things, So
we do see that a good bit. But no, I

(49:09):
thought it was an interesting case. It was kind of
like low level missing thing doesn't really linking with the
missing form one. But I think we will do a
bigger episode on that, or maybe a couple probably well
you could probably get Yeah, sure he got did he
get one series? Or what did he get out of it?
I didn't watch the Amazon thing.

Speaker 2 (49:29):
I only want I only read it well because we
could just do maybe two episodes or something about some
of the more notable cases.

Speaker 1 (49:35):
I suppose, But did you watch I watched much of it.

Speaker 2 (49:38):
I watched like one or two, and I turned it
off because I was like, this is a bit fun.

Speaker 1 (49:41):
It's just kind of not going anywhere.

Speaker 2 (49:43):
Well, like it was just yeah, it was just kind
of I suppose in a way, it's kind of framed
as being mysterious, but at least I can't remember how
I felt the time, but I'm fairly sure I was
just gone, it's not mysterious. I think that was the thing.
I was like, it's framed as mysterious, but I wasn't
getting fully missed out areous vibes out of it. I
felt like they were kind of that was it at
the time. I think it's coming back to me now.

(50:05):
I kind of felt like that they were using the
kind of high strange thing the farther a brand of this,
you know, sort of wood mystery type of thing. Yeah,
like like it was like, here's big for just to
bring in the high strange in this crowd, do you
know what I mean? But then most of the stories
don't actually really point to anything like that.

Speaker 1 (50:27):
Even when I read the book there, it was only
that one with the cage. Yeah, like it is interesting
to have someone showing up in a place that's been
searched already. There's something strange about that.

Speaker 2 (50:37):
Yeah, that's that's word.

Speaker 1 (50:38):
And I think that if memory serves correctly, there's something
about the person being daged prior to that, so they
shouldn't have been able to be brought there. Then the
other side of it is like, I don't know, I'm
sure if you looked into the practical reasons for that,
between animals scavenging or you know, you could potentially.

Speaker 2 (50:56):
Like dragon bodies or like some predators probably dragged their
prey around. Maybe this is it.

Speaker 1 (51:03):
It's it's it, but it is. But still, to be fair,
some of them are very bizarre, Like there are bizarre
ones as well.

Speaker 2 (51:09):
So, but what I could hope with her as well?
For one of the ice boils, the first and the
most important that she doesn't seem likely. Now how long
she missing? Twelve years?

Speaker 1 (51:18):
Oh yeah, she's like twenty thirteen.

Speaker 2 (51:19):
I hope she turns up alive. It doesn't seem likely
fail in that. I hope she had a quick.

Speaker 1 (51:26):
Death twelve years so should be like what thirty one,
thirty two.

Speaker 2 (51:29):
She should have a quick death hopefully.

Speaker 1 (51:31):
Yeah, yeah, I hope so.

Speaker 2 (51:33):
And it wasn't something like a broken leg and she
had to starve or worse face predators or something like that.
But that's the reality of it, you know what I mean?
And I do think that people should really know. The
reality is like you are one bad ankle spraying like
broken ankle or anything like that away in the woods

(51:54):
from being totally fucked. Yeah, you know what I mean,
Like if and if your batch is dead or something like,
you are in trouble, then it's like how like you know,
there's there's stretches on roads in Australia where like if
your fucking Cara conks out, like good look you take
you kind of take it for granted until you're now.
I think Australian is not the crack, But like you

(52:16):
don't say if you were. I went over there and
we rent to the car and we were driving around
there back like gob shits, and there's going to be
a gas place. But like you're you know people, I
think a lot of time we don't realize how close.
I mean, even when when we were young and we
had our whats are bought the US S Superman's better
than fucking We.

Speaker 1 (52:34):
Went out onto the island like that.

Speaker 2 (52:36):
We we had a shift inflatable ding that was ship
and we were going around the lake that a lot
of people have died in since.

Speaker 1 (52:44):
Yeah, you were going around. I can't swim to swim.

Speaker 2 (52:47):
Like and people with the ability to swim have drowned
out there a lot of times.

Speaker 1 (52:51):
But again, this is what I'm saying, and what age
were we were in the early twenties. This is the
dom I would have been y you would have been
nineteen twenty two and three. But that is the dumb
ship that people do when they're dumb, Like you know
what I'm saying, We're going to be done.

Speaker 2 (53:06):
I was stoned as well.

Speaker 1 (53:09):
You and the other It was just there. I had
no excuse at least the two you were stone.

Speaker 2 (53:13):
I was like, oh yeah, but that is like in hindsight,
if something had happened, you would have just went oh yeah,
of course, or I shouldn't have done that at all.
It was stupid, like and like in that case, you're
literally one puncture away from drowning and the lake in
the middle, in the middle of the day.

Speaker 1 (53:29):
And you can just imagine it just going down and
we're like, oh, we used to jump in, we're too
stoned you to.

Speaker 2 (53:36):
Swim, lads? Are I would have drowned? Like, I mean,
people have died in that like where everyone has been swimming,
and rescue attempts have been made, like you know, like
so it's a fucking.

Speaker 1 (53:47):
But all all this stuff, I mean, think about then
you're only talking in last week's episode about going on
a stupid camping trip. Same thing. Easily someone could have
goss heart badly there. You know, all these things are
like and it's it. I do kind of believe that,
you know, well, the probability is something happened to you
out there, you know, is obviously bigger. There's a part

(54:07):
of me that just sort of like what you were
saying about that I was a third man syndrome.

Speaker 2 (54:11):
Yeah, some voice kind of text.

Speaker 1 (54:13):
It's almost like sometimes I think like I don't know
when it's your time. It's your time, like you just.

Speaker 2 (54:17):
Yeah, as part of me does feel like that at
times I have felt a little bit like I've had
a buffer to protect my ideasy.

Speaker 1 (54:24):
Yeah, yeah, I've felt that a lot of times.

Speaker 2 (54:26):
Yeah, diced with it a good feel.

Speaker 1 (54:28):
I'm rolling around here with a red eye because like
I got stabbed in the eye just from like being dumb,
Like if I think even in the quarry I climbed that, yeah,
I got stuck up there. That was unpleasant. I was
even looking at and going I might have to take
a running jump, cleared the rocks and land in the
water because like I don't know how to get down

(54:48):
from here. I am nearly drowned out in lands aoradi.
Then in the maggot like I'm always acting the goat,
but like there's a like I did think I was
going to die in lands audio was like it's shy,
and then like it was really crap because when I
thought I was gonna die, it wasn't any more stressful
than regular stress. That was why I was really disappointing.
I thought you'd have some sort of like this feeling

(55:11):
of like oh no, but it was just like, oh no,
this is just like it's a pretty intrusive thought. But
even that man, to be honest with you.

Speaker 2 (55:21):
Is that better?

Speaker 1 (55:22):
Huh?

Speaker 2 (55:22):
Is that better? Maybe?

Speaker 3 (55:24):
No?

Speaker 1 (55:24):
I think you want to feel like if you're gonna die,
you fucking feel something. I was almost bored being like, well,
I guess I'm just gonna die you now, but you're
trying to stay alive, so you're just cutting a rip
curl and you're just like waiting there.

Speaker 2 (55:36):
Now.

Speaker 1 (55:36):
If I didn't have the snorkel, I probably would have
been in a lot of trouble. But I had that,
so it wasn't really the end of the world. But
the weird thing about that was I couldn't see the shore,
so like all I could see was there was white
waves coming towards me and going past me, so I
knew which way was which, but I couldn't see anything.
But then after a while I just washed up against

(55:57):
rocks that weren't around me at any point. So I'm
not saying there was some like physical shit that happened.
All I know is that obviously I'm moving from a
practical point of view, and then I wind up somewhere.
But for me, for my view, it wasn't the case
of me because I would have had my head up
and been looking around trying to figure things out. I
basically was somewhere where all I could see was blue

(56:19):
and the white. Sort of the crest of the waves
hit me, and then from there, all of a sudden,
I was washed up against the rock, age is down
the road, ages down the beach. Yeah, but I don't, like,
I don't know how it happened, because you got to
remember as well, you have the snorkel on right, so
you can see the ground.

Speaker 2 (56:37):
You can see, but.

Speaker 1 (56:40):
When you look up then there's nothing there, and then
all of a sudden, now you're just at a different place.

Speaker 2 (56:45):
Totally.

Speaker 1 (56:46):
It was it's a bizarre. I'm not saying it was
anything like fucking weird, but it's a bizarre feelings to go.
And then when you come in, obviously as the waves
are trying to pull you and push and everything, you
cut yourself up so fierce because it's a volcanic island,
so all the beaches just made out of sharp rocks,
so basically you get in your you're covered in blood

(57:09):
when you get in, and I was like, what happened
to you? And I was like, oh, there's never mind.
This this saved me, Like it's a nerdly died. Yeah,
But I remember going to sleep that night, and like
when I close my eyes, I got like like a
tiny little bit of PTSD. You just get these flashbacks
of the waves and all that. Maybe it took me
a couple of days to kind of get over. But yeah,

(57:30):
I thought I was goose. Like I thought that was it.

Speaker 2 (57:32):
Yeah, there's nothing worse than a bit of I'm going
to drown. I had a couple when I was young, like,
and that maybe kind of stopped me from swimming. I
don't know. See, it was weird because I was never
truly I don't think, afraid of the water. But at
the same time, because I was never super interested in swimming,
I think it was the big thing with me was
I was always like, I'm not that bothered. But then

(57:53):
every time I tried to like flirt with the ocean,
I nerdly drowned. So I was like, ah, right, is
not to be.

Speaker 1 (58:01):
Yeah, it's like I like swimming. I like, I like
and I'm stupid as well, Like I know, even when
i'd be down and like last time I went down
to a place I swim way out of with the snorrel,
I'm all like Neptune.

Speaker 2 (58:17):
Jason some also going around talking to a man.

Speaker 1 (58:19):
Yeah, Mara, stop on the bed. But you know, and
I generally I'm a little bit better than I used
to be. But I do like to go out was fired,
you know when the boys the buoys are and like
you don't go out any further. But I like going
out to that point and fucking around a bit and
just being like, it's cool to look at the various
animals all the blue look at the fish. No, it's

(58:40):
called like the rocks and the fish. And you find
certain places where there's loads of fish that are eating
like the vegetation. So it's fun to explore. But yeah,
I don't always treat it with the respect that I showed,
because sometimes I go after a few cocktails and you're
a bit like trout.

Speaker 2 (58:56):
Luckily for me, I have sensibility in that kind stuff.
I've always been fairly careful about that, even hiking and all,
I've always been fairly careful.

Speaker 1 (59:05):
Like, yeah, I'm more of an improv just go out
and see what happens.

Speaker 2 (59:10):
But I like it though, Yeah, no, I would always
even I guess pretty hairy, like we were up on
Loquela one time, which is for our listeners like very
high and remote it's not very high, but it's one
of our highest peaks, and it's quite remote in that
it's like in the Wicklow Woods. And when we went
up on that that was visibility was like from here

(59:33):
to the wall the way you couldn't say you were
just like.

Speaker 1 (59:36):
So it's very easy.

Speaker 2 (59:37):
Just well, you're on a plateau. It's a really weird
summat where it's like fucking it's I think the summit.
I think I read somewhere that the summit is like
basically a football field size, so like you've got this
whole flat plane and then when they have no visibility,
it's very hard to know where you're coming down from. Yeah,
so you have to use the cairns to kind of

(59:58):
guide you, and so use them. But we came down
a few wrong angles and we had the kind of
back up and stuff, and care was a bit worried,
but like we got there in the end. But like,
I'm never going to I'm never one of those people
who wants to jump into what I think might be
a wrong decision.

Speaker 1 (01:00:16):
Yeah, yeah, that makes sense.

Speaker 2 (01:00:17):
Like I'll doubt myself quite a lot, like even when
I probably have quite a bit of experience, and I
still will doubt myself quite a lot. That's probably what keeps.

Speaker 1 (01:00:28):
Would I be there if I was going hiking or something,
I wouldn't be like Aye, I will just walk wherever
enough for the best. But like in the ocean, it's different.
You're not trying to get anywhere. You're just going in
and coming out. So it's like go out, let go out,
Like you're not going out past where you shouldn't be going,
so you're going right. Well, most people don't die here.
I'll probably be wrong and then just come back in.

Speaker 2 (01:00:48):
I do wish that I was a bit more sort
of adventurous at times, like and they I could go
out and do a bit more like freestyle stuff. But
a lot of time with the freestyle stuff, I can
be a little bit cack, like like if you freestyle
hikes somewhere in Ireland, you're just kind of walking around
like most of the time you're just walking through a

(01:01:09):
fucking bog. Yeah, and that's crack, like sh crack the.

Speaker 1 (01:01:12):
Whole point of especially when you think about a hike
like a different thing, because the water is like you're
exploring to find cool fish and a little nice coves
or whatever or not coves, but corals. Yeah, so like
you have a span and you're like, all right, I
won't go too far, I'll stay around here or whatever.
But like when you're hiking, most of the times, the
hikes that are well trodden are the best ways to go,

(01:01:34):
first of all ease of access, but also views and visibility,
because otherwise people won't be ours. Like it's not like
you're going up Everest where like the idea is to
get to the top as a feed of endurance. This
is more like an experience to see all these things.
So it makes sense most of the time to just
hike the way you should hike Batanding.

Speaker 2 (01:01:55):
But that's not skied down ever spider way. He did
it without any oxygen. Their supplemental oxygen poles are great,
are the hard.

Speaker 1 (01:02:04):
Ones of lads even there, even there, like their private
ministers and not getting up these mad fucking speech being like, man,
send another thing in there and break you up.

Speaker 2 (01:02:14):
Yeah, they're finally cracked, like because the polls one point
in time would have been like the dominant motherfuckers on
the continent. Like, so about all that long ago. It
was probably long enough ago, but not all that like.

Speaker 1 (01:02:26):
The astro hungry times. Yeah, sort of stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:02:28):
Yeah, but uh yeah, I mean I think on this case,
I think we can say probably at least Dockham's raiser.
For me, it would be that the horror regard, I
would say, probably fell and to come to her her
her injuries either immediately or fairly shortly after more than nightly.

(01:02:50):
Failing that, I think the other most likely one I
would go it is some kind of cult. So I
think it did mention there was like a road on
the other side of this room being.

Speaker 1 (01:03:00):
Wasn't here, so like she went up and.

Speaker 2 (01:03:02):
Yeah, so like unless there was a pickup point located
and she was picked up and.

Speaker 1 (01:03:08):
The bizarre things like here's a girl in a fanny,
But like, I don't think so, I think that she
you would hope that, do you know if the colt
was like, oh yeah, just come here naked.

Speaker 2 (01:03:21):
I'll take a luck now when I got about tonight now,
and I'll have a good read of the whole case
as well, and we'll talk about minifolds next week as
well if I turn up anything kind of because I
think we did that abuit with the m shaped k.

Speaker 1 (01:03:30):
You you were into the.

Speaker 2 (01:03:33):
The YouTube research and beaches.

Speaker 1 (01:03:35):
And his his innovations and all the little products he
was making and stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:03:40):
Yeah, it was just interesting that YouTubers has kind of
followed his path and kind of tried to find it.
And some people have said the kind of scene what
he was on about, but maybe not. Yea, it was
an interesting time. What's your take on it? Then, what
would you say?

Speaker 1 (01:03:56):
I'd say it's Anna Raiser type thing as well. I'd
say it was just unfortunate. She probably had an accident
and just because of the way that the places just
couldn't be filmed.

Speaker 2 (01:04:08):
Yeah, and likewise, thoughts to the family and all that.
It's never a nice time to have someone missing and
having an unresolved thing like this hangover you. And I
suppose not funny either to have people speculating. But again,
there is room for speculation with these things, and I
think oftentimes actually speculation attract intrigue. Intrigue attract people that

(01:04:31):
may help the case ultimately. Saw For example, there's so
many people out there looking for Kenny Beach right now
because so many people have talked about it.

Speaker 1 (01:04:42):
Lots of cases have been at least in part Open
back Up podcast, So that's kind of cyber saluting and
all that sort of stuff. But again yeah I do.
I do appreciate it from the other point of view,
where like your daughter is dead so like. But again,
we need content.

Speaker 2 (01:05:00):
I don't want to minis some people. Sorry, yeah, we'll
leave it there. Then saw I've been robbed.

Speaker 1 (01:05:07):
I've been naming over now