The Djinn

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:01):
A crypt and this is a scriptor. I wanted to
quick against my enemies. Yeah, you see, you wanted to say,
and then all little raise you, but I forget you
from the wilderness.

Speaker 2 (00:29):
Hello everyone, what is up?

Speaker 1 (00:30):
I'm rob I am aiming.

Speaker 2 (00:32):
Oh monster fulls The Gin.

Speaker 1 (00:37):
The gin ruined many a man and woman, more women
than men.

Speaker 2 (00:43):
Mother's ruined.

Speaker 1 (00:44):
Mother's ruined the gin? Is it? That's what Mother's helper was,
the Valium, which eventually became her ruin.

Speaker 2 (00:52):
Good combo to be sharing, I'd be lying if I
said that it could be the last combo if you careful,
respect benzos and spirits. Yeah, so today, and you know,
we're off to the land of the Muslims, old magical land,
of course, and we're talking about one of the tricksters
we mentioned many many years ago. Five years ago on

(01:16):
this podcast, we talked a little bit about the gin
em and was talking about it, and I thought, wow,
my co.

Speaker 1 (01:20):
Host is so clever that all.

Speaker 2 (01:23):
About the Gin. He was reading books about the gay.

Speaker 1 (01:25):
Yeah, the Vengeful Gin the book I read. And I
have applied none of that learning to these.

Speaker 2 (01:31):
Notes, because you can't remember things from that far.

Speaker 1 (01:34):
No, I remember that in the book there's a good
bit about the different colored Gins, which isn't in this one,
but I think it's pretty interesting because before we get
into it. We'll probably get into it properly later, but
I suspect that what Islam sort of recognizes as the Gin,
if you take it from a non secular perspective, is

(01:58):
what maybe we would call the other and stuff like that,
what kind of the sort of stuff that Tim would cover.
But it's kind of interesting. I've kind of tried to
go through with the history of the origins all the
rest of it, and then we have two stories from
the perspectives of Muslim people about their experiences with the Gin,
which fit into kind of spooky categories if you like.

(02:20):
So it's it's it's a it's a fleshed out, well
taught out bull. It's their prize winning episode.

Speaker 2 (02:26):
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That is the best beat to support the show. We're independent,
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Speaker 1 (02:44):
Want to hear.

Speaker 2 (02:45):
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as well. We don't appreciate the old Instagram follows. If

(03:09):
they have any crypto accounts, emmen, maybe they've come across
the Jane. Where should descend in your story?

Speaker 1 (03:14):
Yeah, it would be interested if you if you're Muslim
and you have a gin story right into us at
Monsterphze podcast at Gmail.

Speaker 2 (03:21):
That's a great question. Would we have many Muslim.

Speaker 1 (03:26):
Well, if we do, they're definitely more moderate. I can't
imagine them being super into the religion. We could have
a couple of Muslim listeners.

Speaker 2 (03:34):
If we have Muslim listeners, right, halal listeners out there,
and it doesn't count if you're like white laves that
have worked with the Muslim. It has to be like
you have to be we will accept that lab brother
have to be from over that way, you know what
I mean, that's that's the crack, Like.

Speaker 1 (03:51):
Yeah, I can't imagine them spreading this podcast.

Speaker 2 (03:54):
With each other somehow.

Speaker 1 (03:55):
That's very funny. They don't seem to care about what
they took.

Speaker 2 (03:59):
Yeah, yeah, that was kind of a Russian Muslim, which.

Speaker 1 (04:02):
The Russians, you do have that.

Speaker 2 (04:04):
So that was on purpose, obviously, that was Yeah, it
was totally what we're going to do before we start
them and is we're just going to say there.

Speaker 1 (04:11):
You're checking spreaker, right, Yeah, I want to check and.

Speaker 2 (04:13):
Say if we have any listeners that are from the
Muslim areas, the predominantly Muslim areas in the world, and
as it stands, oh.

Speaker 1 (04:22):
Yeah, Turkey, Yeah, you have Turks, have a couple of.

Speaker 2 (04:33):
Yeah, the Turks and Caicus Islands, whatever that is. That's
definitely someone on.

Speaker 1 (04:38):
Well you never know.

Speaker 2 (04:39):
Yeah, so shout out. That's okay, if he's if he's
aroun there, he's listening, he's a Muslim. We appreciate you.

Speaker 1 (04:44):
Yeah, we'd like to we'd like to know a bit
more about you.

Speaker 2 (04:49):
We would And also shout out to our ten listeners
in Bulgaria. Ten lives in Bulgaria, shout out, and we
appreciate you. That's it. Interest bigger shouts out to our
sixteen listeners in Kenya, yeah.

Speaker 1 (05:07):
Serious that Kenya Yea and the boys. Boys we listened
to us where they're doing their running. All Kenyans are
class are running.

Speaker 2 (05:14):
They're just saying like black people are running or other because.

Speaker 1 (05:17):
Like Kenyan people were winning the Olympics. Yeah, Kenyans are
known for running Speedilyans happy though happy though Jamaicans as well.
I thought that was Nigerians them as well. It's not
just all black lives. Nads are good at running. Like

(05:38):
being good at running is a good thing. Surely can't
be hate crime. It's good to be able to run fast.
It is class.

Speaker 2 (05:46):
Are seen a video recently of you saying bold versus
normal people run the sprint. Of course he smoked them,
but I was actually surprised, like some people did, kind of.

Speaker 1 (05:55):
Like were they normal or were they like they're probably.

Speaker 2 (05:57):
Were runners to be fair as well.

Speaker 1 (05:59):
Easy you saying bold even his second name is class.
Imagine being like the fastest lad in the world and
it just so happens that your second name is bold.
It works like that's too cool. I can call them
a lightning them light and bold, Lightning Bold should have
lightning bold or the.

Speaker 2 (06:18):
Class And let's get back to the gin. Give us
a bit of an intro here. Tell the listeners what's
going on, because they are really chomping at the bit
for more information.

Speaker 1 (06:28):
Tell them of the Gin ladies and gentlemen. Christianity, Judaism,
and Islam all have writings in their scriptures that say
that humans were made from clay or dirt. I think
in a oh yeah we were. Yeah, Adam was made
from clay, wasn't he? Yeah, e is made from one

(06:49):
of his ribs.

Speaker 2 (06:50):
Yeah, yeah, that's true.

Speaker 1 (06:51):
There you go, there you go, religious scholars. So, each
of these three religious religions belief in an additional type
of being nosen, known as angels. But angels have never
been humans, and instead of being made out of clay,
they're made out of light. Okay, there's a third type
of being that we don't have. I don't think we

(07:13):
have them unless they're referred to as demons or something
in Christian scriptures. But Islam has a third type of
being called the Gin, who are made of smokeless fire.
Gin is where the word genie comes from. But it's
more complicated than like Aladdin. Basically, it's not like you

(07:34):
just rub a lamp and out you come. So the
Gin are naturally invisible, and they're supposed to be composed
of thin and subtle bodies that are capable of shape shifting,
and they'll usually choose to appear as snakes, scorpions, lizards,
or humans. A Gin's interaction with the human may be negative, positive,

(07:55):
or neutral, and can range from casual to highly intimate,
and in in some stories there's even involving sexual activity
and production of hybrid offspring. Now this is more like
folklaric stuff. I don't believe there's anyone who's actually saying
my kid is half Gin. I'm sure there is, but

(08:15):
I don't have any of those stories here. And you
would imagine those people might be momental. However, they rarely
meddle in human affairs, preferring instead to live amongst their
own in a societal arrangement similar to that of Arabian tribes.
Upon being disturbed or harmed by humans, they usually retaliate
in kind, with the most drastic interactions leading them to

(08:37):
possess the assailant's body and in certain cases even require exorcisms.

Speaker 2 (08:43):
I kind of like that they all live together as
like a tribe of gin.

Speaker 1 (08:47):
Yeah, and we get into a little bit later, but
basically Gin and humans in the eyes of Allah. And
again this is coming from someone who knows nothing about
Islam and the Muslim religion and just picking up what
I've read online. We're on the same level. So it's
not like the Angels where the humans are put ahead
of the angels and that's what causes that the fall

(09:09):
and Lucifer and all the rest of it. The other
stuff as well is and we'll maybe talk about a
bit later. And again as people who aren't super familiar
with religious texts or whatever, but Iblis is the name
of basically Satan or Lucifer or there's a very the story.
It seems very similar Allah and the Christian religion of

(09:31):
they seem like they're the same stories with mild differences.

Speaker 2 (09:35):
Jesus is in the Koran. Really Jesus is a prophet
accord to the most Prophet, So he was one of
the Lads, but not the lad I think, but do they.

Speaker 1 (09:48):
Because the Christian thing is like he's a prophet as well,
but he's also the Trinity's part of the Trinity. So
but they don't believe he is part of God.

Speaker 2 (09:55):
No, I don't think so. I think he's like just
one of these mad lines that's going on mad powers now.

Speaker 1 (10:01):
So it's similar to the Jews. I suppose you believe
that the same thing. Jesus was a prophet, but they
don't believe that he's actually God.

Speaker 2 (10:08):
I think, as far as I'm aware, as far as
I'm aware, where I think we have to practice by
saying we're not really scholars. But as far as I'm
wear yet, the Jesus fella is appreciated by the Muslims.
I think they're like Jesus class lad like, whereas the
Jews are like Jesus.

Speaker 1 (10:25):
I think the Jews like Jesus well, but they don't
like that parates where they do that he's their main
Well I suppose, yeah, I mean do they Maybe we
can get a Jew on sometimes.

Speaker 2 (10:37):
A couple of in this podcast.

Speaker 1 (10:40):
Surprised about that we're not We're not anti Semitic and anything.

Speaker 2 (10:44):
It would be a bit like I'm not really but.

Speaker 3 (10:48):
I would never I would never ever take I really
like the I would I really like the stars biproxy
it means.

Speaker 1 (10:56):
I like all juice, but we we give a shout
out to David that.

Speaker 2 (11:01):
Works by proxy, you know. Surprising actually, when I really
needn't squa off one or anything.

Speaker 1 (11:07):
Yeah, not a great country to start.

Speaker 2 (11:10):
He was like, it's all about the music.

Speaker 1 (11:13):
Yeah, that's because Ireland, the Palestindium, this country isn't known
for being like pro what is doing out there in
the bank.

Speaker 2 (11:22):
So yeah, that was good, but yeah, no, it's a
I find all that stuff to kind of get back
to it interesting, all of these sort of cross pollination
of religions and the religious figures and the similarities as
well as the folkloric beliefs, but as well as back

(11:43):
in the dadios like this movie we've talked about on
the podcast before.

Speaker 1 (11:46):
It goes back into.

Speaker 2 (11:48):
Ancient Egypt, where you have rad the song God and
then you have like Jesus is the Son of God
and all these comparisons.

Speaker 1 (11:55):
Maybe there is some sort of there's a there's a
nodle point where like everything stems from that need happen
or that is.

Speaker 2 (12:03):
Yeah, because potentially, yeah, if it was an ordal point,
you could look at it a couple of ways that
either it's like some kind of self repeating prophecy that
almost happens, and it happened once for the Egyptians and
somehow became a folk cleric thing, and that happened again
for the Jews and Christians, and then maybe it happened
in some other way. But yeah, like i'd literally just

(12:24):
a bit boud ideas there. But it's either it could
be that or it could be that there was something
derivatives everyone derived the religions from, and by essence, everyone's
everyone's sample that they talk is by proxy kind of
wholly and probably fall on the right path. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (12:42):
I guess if you even think about it from like,
if you look at the news cycle, you have the
same story reported differently depending on which bias the news has,
so potentially it's not even a biasing, it's just this
is how it was picked up and how it was interpreted,
you know, because again all this stuff is like spoken word.

Speaker 2 (13:01):
Yeah, and again another thing I've said on the podcast before,
but I think the first you know, written sort of
sort of like let's talk, let's let's chronicle Jesus like that.
I don't think that happened little fifty years after he
was there. I think it was the first fifty years.

Speaker 3 (13:17):
Is a long time, like yeah, yeah, yeah, like that'd
be like someone he didn't even live to be fifty No,
that'd be like someone turning around like today and going like, oh,
let's talk about fucking Am and devil Era or like
Winston Churchill even about but like that kind of idea,
like you're.

Speaker 1 (13:34):
Not going to there was nothing chronicle without having, by the.

Speaker 2 (13:37):
Way, any information about them really, Like it's not like
if we tried a chronicle historical figure from fifty sixty
seven years ago where we had audio and interviews and
all this, like like it was literally just like a yeah,
a couple of even at that.

Speaker 1 (13:52):
There's no one truth even with those things outside of
like straight events. You know, people will co opt these
actual things and try to put you know, whatever spin
they want on us.

Speaker 2 (14:07):
Yeah, so let's get to it. Muslim scholars and emphasize
the similarities between Gin and humans more often than their differences.
So Gin function much the same as humans. They actually
do get married and have kids and them. Would you
believe that they have the same genders as humans?

Speaker 1 (14:24):
So there's ninety six different Gin genders now, yeah, because then.

Speaker 2 (14:30):
If precis gender or Gin gender, i'd be more Gin
gender high.

Speaker 1 (14:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (14:39):
Yeah, they get married, have kids. They also have the
same genders as humans. Now they are mortal which is interesting.
I notice a lot they live longer than people, like
a huge amount longer than Additionally, they can be good
or evil. They can choose to be Muslim or not. Furthermore,
they eat the same way humans do. Gin are often
suspected of living under own isolated communities. They may even

(15:04):
live on an entirely separate plane. However, it is possible
for a Gin to live among humans, either secretly or not.
There are even tales of Gin having children with humans.

Speaker 1 (15:15):
So there's there's a thing about and this is where
we get into elementals and some of the other type stuff.
In the book, it's said a lot of stuff about
Gin would occupy like and they're they're they're sort of metaphysical,
so they're not like there if that makes sense. You know,
it's not like their corporal corporeal, but forests, caves, oceans,

(15:37):
all the kinds of places where we would associate some
kind of high strangeness activity. That's where they say the
Gin like to hangout, which is why to me it
seemed like it's it's the way we're saying, we're talking
about the same thing, but we're using different languages. Now
I know they have the whole thing about all the
genders of the Gin, and they're like humans and they

(15:57):
can fiddle around with humans and all this sort of stuff.
But I don't know, it's it's interesting.

Speaker 2 (16:03):
Yeah, So this last fact has been the subject of
most much fascination in literature and pop culture. You know,
the idea that the Gin can have babbies. Two Years,
eight months and twenty eight nights, a book by Salmon Rushdie,
opens with a romance between a Gin princess and a human.

(16:23):
Their meeting leads to the birth of several Gin human
hired children, So American Gods, the authors preferred text by
Neil Gaiman, leans into the taboo nature of a gin
human relationship. In addition to the characters being different types
of beings, there were also men, both of them. While

(16:44):
this relationship did not make it into the standard release
of the novel, it is featured in the eponymous television show.

Speaker 1 (16:50):
I Believe, I Believe Neil Game and of course doing
great now, of course his.

Speaker 2 (16:55):
Name Neil gay man run about men being gay.

Speaker 1 (16:59):
I mean, when unfortunately he turned into Neil taking advantage
of younger not younger women. But like I think there's
some weird sex stuff with nannies that he.

Speaker 2 (17:09):
Had in the Nail.

Speaker 1 (17:10):
Strange Man, Neil bit of strange Man. Yeah, it's he's
one of the he's one of the he's a phenomenal
writer's work in comic books. Yeah, he Sandman was he wrote.
His stuff was always weird. Yeah, like dreaming like it's
really really good. But yeah, it's sex person turned out.

(17:35):
And I'm not sure exactly that. I don't know how.
I know a lot of people were like, would never
read a Neil gaming book again or whatever, and I
don't think he got like, it's not like a civil case.
And but basically, like so many other men before him,
all of a sudden, women start coming out and being
like actually a bit of a creep, and then all
this stuff starts to mount up, and you're going.

Speaker 2 (17:55):
Like, are you going to stand by Nail when he's
trying times?

Speaker 1 (18:00):
I won't, Neil, You're on your own.

Speaker 2 (18:04):
Sorry, Neil.

Speaker 1 (18:06):
Now, look, I think it must be an an an
absolutely awful thing to be accused of stuff you never did.
That sounds horrible to be dragged through the mode like that.
I didn't read a huge amount of this, but the
more I did read about it, I kind of went,
you kind of have to know not looking great.

Speaker 2 (18:22):
If you didn't go to court, you kind of have
to little proven guilty.

Speaker 1 (18:27):
Yeah, I mean yeah, But then I think some of
the stuff as well is not necessarily And I'm not
sure about this because I haven't read fully up on
the nail game and thing. Some of the stuff is
like maybe it's not totally illegal, but like if your
body was doing this, you would be Luis Behave. Yeah,
you'd be taking him a side going man.

Speaker 2 (18:48):
Witch impersonation.

Speaker 1 (18:51):
Just yet banking into a firm. But is it? Is
it a power thing? I was listening to it, he
was on the ovone recently and it was just like
just just talking about it. But what I never really
got is like no one ever really like when you
see these guys and theyre like I did this and
all I'm a fucking sex They rehab, but no one
ever actually shows genuine like Amy Winehouse dead at twenty

(19:18):
seven at.

Speaker 2 (19:18):
All, know, basically with them sort of reptively, and people
is like all they care about is fame, so like
they'll do whatever they can do to get them back
in the spotlight, and they'll.

Speaker 1 (19:30):
Just do enough to do that.

Speaker 2 (19:31):
Then once, once, once, there's enough people that are acceptant
then they don't care. And podcasting, luckily is like the
sewers of entertainment, So like all the sewer people like
can hang out here on this rand.

Speaker 1 (19:43):
It's like it is a mad thing like where you know,
like i'd be if I had done something that really
hurts someone and then maybe I wasn't aware or I
didn't appreciate how bad it was them. I'd feel guilt,
do you know what I mean? Like I'd be like,
I'm so sorry.

Speaker 2 (19:57):
I did that, right, I'd feel or probab trying to
or you're trying to do something.

Speaker 1 (20:01):
Do something or just be controite. But I never whenever
I hear these people talk, it's I was like I
didn't realize how fucked up I was. It's like no,
but like fair, but like it's also like there's also
I'm really fucking sorry for all the ship.

Speaker 2 (20:14):
Yeah, there's also all the victims like yeah, so it's
like it's not about you and how you feel as well,
like because a lot of them will be like, oh,
you know, I feel this and I feel that and
you have to go and do something that was like yeah, yeah,
but like why don't you mention all of the victims
that came forward, and why don't you mention how you
feel about them?

Speaker 1 (20:32):
To be fair, I think I'm not sure, Like what
was it? He just take his dick out a lots.

Speaker 2 (20:36):
I think he's like, yeah, sit in the corner of
bank and like I think it, like, yeah, I think
that was just cracked. That's just I'm just after It'd
be like if were them and do you mind if
I just get the corner point have a Wank'd be
like would you not just testing? But it's like kind
of but women as well as like as testing your boundaries,
like do you know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (20:56):
Is it something that like because you can understand some
of who's being who's young, who doesn't understand stuff, it's
that they would ask to do that.

Speaker 2 (21:04):
But they're all weird cons.

Speaker 1 (21:05):
Like they just don't understand about other people and boundaries and.

Speaker 2 (21:09):
Like word cons man just just all it is to
like there's just weird fucking cons.

Speaker 1 (21:14):
Do you mind if you just ejaculating the corner like
they're just bizarre?

Speaker 2 (21:20):
You would, Louise. But the good news is you engage
in all that type of behavior and guess what you
set out all their shows, you have comedy specials, you
have mad listeners on podcasts and not cares. So the
good news is.

Speaker 1 (21:33):
If you ever find me to masturbation in the corner.

Speaker 2 (21:35):
The room, if you ever fancying in the corner, actually,
odds are you might become more famous.

Speaker 1 (21:42):
For us. We would definitely become more famous by just
randomly front the people paper who did the podcast now
wanking in any corners.

Speaker 2 (21:52):
So back to the gym. Yes, but all that said,
genus humans don't always live in harmony. Parents and religious
communities are often afraid that their children will be hurt
by gin, and they serve as a sort of boogieman.
In these communities. You've got to watch out for the Gin.
Unlike most boogy mendo, there are adults who believe in
the Gin. These creatures can lead you astray, or they

(22:17):
can simply trottings actually at worst, and gin can actually
possess a person. Individual. Gin appear on charms and talismans.
They are called upon for protection or magical aid. Save
me from Louis c K. Please please, you won't stop masturbating,
and these can be under the leadership of a Kinglige believe.
Many people who believe in gin were amulets to protect

(22:39):
themselves against the results as they may have called upon
by sorcerers and which is to cause harm. Commonly held
belief is that gin cannot hurt someone who wears something
with the name of God Allah written on us alma.
These folk cleric beliefs and practices, although especially common throughout

(23:00):
the Muslim world in the past, have been met with
increasing disapproval due to their association with idolatry.

Speaker 1 (23:08):
And even idolatry, Like, isn't that one of the ten commandments?
Don't worship for all idols?

Speaker 2 (23:12):
I can't. I can't say. I'll have imagine and kabeb
at the at the Wayans before he fought mcgrecord and
he's up on stage with the hand and he's like,
alamb la la, I'm going to smash your boy. But
it's just like alam la la, some dude.

Speaker 1 (23:31):
It is funny, like because if you just change the context,
you know, you have praise be to Jesus. I'm gonna
beat the fuck out.

Speaker 2 (23:39):
Of them, you know, like to be fair, if you're
in Dakistan, God love you, I'll handle the lads the
best you got.

Speaker 1 (23:46):
But it was I know a lot of people say
that when they do go out to wherever. One of
our friends in Morocco recently and he was just saying
that the Muslim lads were They weren't Alamalana smash your boy.
They were like the nicest, you know, they seem for
their communities.

Speaker 2 (24:02):
But that's yeah, as you consume hair is like the
extreme stuff, and as we hear about is like Western
media where it's like extreme as crazy shit going on.

Speaker 1 (24:12):
Like which accounts for a small.

Speaker 2 (24:15):
I was actual a guy Mike Okay on YouTube and
he's in Afghanistan that's been goosen around and he's just
comming around Afghanistan.

Speaker 1 (24:24):
Yeah, but I'd say, like the people are any of
the things I've seen, they seem to be choice. They're
not aggressive, like they welcome a stranger. Now again we're
talking in very general.

Speaker 2 (24:35):
No, he was going like, now what, I wouldn't recommend it,
but he was off meeting the Taliban and all.

Speaker 1 (24:39):
Was he the fellow who's got in trouble for me.

Speaker 2 (24:43):
Taking this guy is literally just backpack and doing a
bit of tourism. He's not trying to like flow to
the Taliban, but like when you're going through their regions, like,
you have to check in with the Taliban because if
you don't, you're just going to attract attention to yourself.
The Taliban are basically like the police over there a
So it's like you kind of have to go to him,
like and if you don't, you're getting But.

Speaker 1 (25:04):
I'm sure he might have had a very different experience
if he was a woman trekking through.

Speaker 2 (25:08):
Yeah, well you don't do that, like nor really even Morocco,
to be honest, I wouldn't be too king on that either.

Speaker 1 (25:15):
Yeah, we like in the West, we just we like
giving women rights. I mean, I'm into him. Man, give
a give a woman her Jews mm hmm d u yes,
j w s, give her the Jews.

Speaker 2 (25:36):
So yeah, let's get down to the origin story of
the gene.

Speaker 1 (25:41):
So the exact origins of belief in the gene aren't
exactly clear. They reckon that it is pre Islamic and
it's in the pre Islamic Arab regions, testified not only
by the Quran, but it's also pre as Islamic Arabic poetry.
So it goes back just a long old time. Some

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scholars of the Middle East hold that they originated as
malevnant spirits residing in deserts and unclean places. So, as
I said before, these kind of unclean places wasn't what
I had read in the book. It was more so
the cave of the forest that the wild places, let's say,
which I suppose, are unclean in a sense of civility.
They often take the forms of animals. Others hold that

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they were originally pagan nature deities. That's where I'm settling
on here, because I think pagan nature deities aligns more
closely with what we would describe.

Speaker 2 (26:37):
Forest imp forest the forest imp or a forest nymph.

Speaker 1 (26:41):
A nymphia, but not a nymph maniac.

Speaker 2 (26:44):
Or some kind of dry ad dry ad. A dryad again,
dryad is a kind of a wooden person, humanoid, sometimes
sexual sexual wood Would you like me to show you
a dry add these and see if you would be
attracted to one? This is there are a training from

(27:05):
Greek mythology. So what I want to say is I've
got a picture of a dryad, and tell me would
you be into the dryads?

Speaker 1 (27:15):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (27:17):
A nice dry addryads are cute, like you know what
I mean?

Speaker 1 (27:20):
Fairly, she's got some good sweater meat there. They're just
they're just buttsy butsy tree ladies, buttsy Greek likes.

Speaker 2 (27:30):
I mean, this is obviously going to be.

Speaker 1 (27:32):
From the origin there to the ends. They're way more yeah,
you know.

Speaker 2 (27:37):
Yeah it should if they were around really not at all,
like mizing Gard would have been safe.

Speaker 1 (27:43):
There we are. They gradually become marginalized as other deities
take on greater importance. Many ancient deities may have developed
from Gin, while others are representing degraded gods. So again
it's similar what we have here. We had all like
if you ever go through the list of Irish folk. Yeah, yeah,

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there's tons and tons of stuff.

Speaker 2 (28:10):
The Tadanan, the Folvery.

Speaker 1 (28:16):
And all the rest. Joseph Celhad connects the Gin to
ancient ancient Middle Eastern dualistic beliefs. According to those, heaven
and Earth represent polar opposites of order and chaos. Retrospectively,
the high god l or Allah represents the source of
the holy celestial abode, where the Gin are the iconic

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powers of the lower world. The Gin continuously rise to
the sky in an attempt to obtain divinity. The belief
that angels are daughters born from a union between Allah
and Gin would derive from the assumption of a union
between the heavenly and earthly forces, and are then represented
in the intermediate world in the form of stars.

Speaker 2 (29:03):
Now, so it's very interesting stuff there, aim what you
reckon about all that.

Speaker 1 (29:10):
I'm the part that gets me is really just like
elementals and like these weird little energies in strange places.
That's part that resonates with me, all the stuff. When
it starts getting scriptury, I'm like, yeah, whatever, if I'm
being real, If I'm being real with you.

Speaker 2 (29:30):
Let's figure out if they're in the kran Jin I
mentioned approximately twenty nine times in Ikran exclusively in Mecca Sauras.
The Kuran assumes that the audience is familiar with the
subject without elaborating on the gin much farther.

Speaker 1 (29:44):
So they must have been, like it was saying earlier,
they're part of culture, yeah, prior to the writing.

Speaker 2 (29:49):
They're already well embedded in the folklaric mind.

Speaker 1 (29:52):
Like when we go to see Avengers Doomsday, it's taken
for granted that we've seen all the other Marvel movies
so that we know what's going.

Speaker 2 (29:58):
On and Iron and they're wrong because they haven't seen them.

Speaker 1 (30:01):
Have you not seen them. Did you watch end Game
and yeah, yeah, but you haven't watched all the other
stuff after that, none of too much much. No one
has barely.

Speaker 2 (30:10):
I watched like two or three things.

Speaker 1 (30:11):
Watch Sang Shang Chi.

Speaker 2 (30:13):
Yeah, I think I didn't even.

Speaker 1 (30:14):
Say that Ten Rings crap.

Speaker 2 (30:19):
All ship I had to do with the ship and
it should be rejected. Star Wars the same I used.

Speaker 1 (30:25):
To love making. Yeah, just start making new movies.

Speaker 2 (30:30):
Just burn them all stuff.

Speaker 1 (30:32):
I'm curious to see the new Predator movie.

Speaker 2 (30:34):
Yes, and I would say that things. Yeah, But anyway, Look,
we're going to the Kran. So according to the Kran
fifty one fifty six fifty seven, brother Muhammad was sent
as a prophet to both human and Gin communities. Interesting
throughout the Kran, humans and Gin all ends wid gin

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win appear frequently as a peer as a pair, designated
their equal status in regards of their creation and rejecting
that Gin shared divinity with the creator. The term ins
derives from anisa, which means to be familiar with and
refers to recognizable familiar human beings. In contrast, the term

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Gin means foreign, invisible, or unknown. The anthropomorphic beings they
were both created to worship God because they are supposed
to worship God from free will. They are both able
for good and evil deeds.

Speaker 1 (31:39):
They are like.

Speaker 2 (31:40):
Humans, rational beings formed of nations. The Gin can neither
harm nor benefit humans, for they are occupied with looking
after themselves and their own place in the cosmos. This
is notable contrast to demons and devils in the Judeo
Christian religion. The Quran does not condemn the gin as

(32:01):
a source of harm. The prophet Muhammad is believed to
preach both humans and gin about Islam. Some were Jewish gin,
while others were Pagans who added fortune tellers and soothsayers.
So that's kind of interesting. It implies that maybe on
this domain of Earth, that there's like an invisible thing

(32:22):
going on. Am I right and saying that, like kind of.

Speaker 1 (32:25):
What I'm taking all societies, but they have their own, yeah,
like a shadow society, but it's they are living their
own life. I suppose if you think about it, if
you were to descrob let's say, we're the Gin right
now talking about humans, and you would say, ah, yeah,
for the most part, they just do their thing. Here's
how their communities work. Blah blah blah, blah. But then
you would say in the same way you say that

(32:47):
some of the gin are going to be like some
of the humans tried to conjure us, and they open
this communication between us and them. So they're the outliers
of let's say the human community. Well maybe in the
gene it's something similar or the majority of their just
doing their own thing, but there is maybe some of
them that are fascinated with humans and vice versa. Like

(33:09):
didn't we we'd in the tulpas before and there was
like a high autism and weird like loneliness right there.
But when they would try to create tulpas and have
relationships with them and stuff like that, which in a
sense almost is that a bit ginny that you're reaching
out to something and maybe you can attract.

Speaker 2 (33:28):
It in Yeah, yeah, it's it's fascinating. I'm trying to
kind of think what it would resemble in sort of
other religions and stuff, but it is kind of a
midle usual.

Speaker 1 (33:38):
It's cool because they're they're not like as it said there,
they're not demons, so they're not as we would define
demons and demons are in the Bible, like Jesus cast
the demons out into a load of pigs and sends
them off the side of a mountain, which I think
is why there's a big thing about eating pigs in
the Bible. Ah. And again we're talking here as people
who aren't religious scholars, so we could be getting everything wrong.

(34:00):
Which you're like, you don't come here for actual fucking information.
Copy yourself on crypt at crypt. Yeah, so it's it's
a I don't know, it's an interesting one. So they're
they're like, gin are never talked of in the Bible,

(34:23):
but gin, according at least to this, like they're in
the Judeo Christian tradition to an extent because the gins,
some were Jewish gin, so they can worship whatever if
they I'm assuming if you're a Jewish Gin, you could
convert to a Christian Gin. I'm assuming you know. Interesting ive. Indeed,

(34:46):
now we do have a kind of Lucifer stand in
if you like, might be the same person. Again, but
this is according to the Quran. So Ibliss was a
very unique being. He was an angel and a gin
at the same time. When God created Adam, he asked
all of the angels to bow down before Adam. Everyone

(35:09):
obliged except Ibliss. Ibliss was a high status angel, so
he was not humble enough to bow to this new creature.
He tried to convince the other angels to stop bowing
as well. According to the Qoran, it is Iblis who
tempted Adam to eat the forbidden fruit. This made both
Adam and Ibliss sinners. However, Adam repented, but Iblis refused

(35:33):
to do so. God therefore punished Ibliss. While not all
gin are fallen angels, Ibliss is. So this is so
close to the Genesis part of the Bible.

Speaker 2 (35:48):
Except women planned fondly enough. Or is Zebliss a woman?

Speaker 1 (35:53):
It doesn't say here. I'm assuming Ibliss is mailed, but
maybe this is. I didn't read the actual things, so
maybe it does come in with even all the rest.
It is ironic, though, that we would say Eves sort
of made men do it.

Speaker 2 (36:06):
But women are evil, as we know.

Speaker 1 (36:08):
But we do know that, we do know that women
are evil, which is a shame, because they're very lovely
in their own way, inherently inherently bad humans. Yeah, as
we all know, wonderful at times, but every every now
and then, taken away with their physical emotions normdes every

(36:31):
now and then you know, you just have to ignore them.
Yes dear, no matter what your relationship to the woman is,
you just say yes dear, whatever you want way speed.

Speaker 2 (36:47):
So if you went up to the party gates and theuthology,
you have to repent what your reckon? Your repent is
looking like? What you reckon? That looks like? What would
they make you do?

Speaker 1 (36:56):
Oh? What's my penance?

Speaker 2 (36:57):
What's your penance? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (36:59):
All right?

Speaker 2 (37:00):
Actually, do you think you would just get straighted in?

Speaker 1 (37:03):
I'd say they probably, Like, I'd say you might, like,
but I don't know if it gets straight in like
they probably. But then what's the point. Like if you
go to heaven and you did all this ship and
they're like you should have done that, and you're like, oh,
well I fucking did it so but they're like, oh no,
you can come in. But if you're just keeping the
same energy of you, you're just gonna do the same

(37:24):
stuff again energy in heaven.

Speaker 2 (37:26):
But if you said you have lived the same life
over again, but you have no.

Speaker 1 (37:28):
Mickey, that might be a better life. Can you imagine
how much ship you could have got done with no mickey?
Not if you don't have a mickey, though, If you
don't have a Mickey. You don't care like you don't
have a mickey.

Speaker 2 (37:41):
Balls.

Speaker 1 (37:43):
You can get the balls surgically, but you're not going
to like but you might be suffering more with a Mickey. No, no, no,
but no gender. You're like a Ken doll. Ken dolls.
Don't just have like no mick and then big balls.

Speaker 2 (38:01):
That's the That's what your penance looks like. Brother, have
no mickey for your life and your second Now you
don't know about your past life. Later you're just you
just don't have a mackey.

Speaker 1 (38:13):
No mickey, don't desire what you do?

Speaker 2 (38:16):
You have balls?

Speaker 1 (38:17):
Get rid of the balls. No, you're not going But
what do you like when you say no mickey? Nothing
there no, not even you'll have to get rid of
the balls. I'm afraid the balls. You'll have to. You
have to. You have a cast raight yourself.

Speaker 2 (38:34):
You have a peyhole?

Speaker 1 (38:35):
So and how does it come out? Like any kind
of it?

Speaker 2 (38:38):
Anyway? It wants really just spray, it wants. Yeah, who
am I you to understand the physics of you are
the man.

Speaker 1 (38:45):
Who is creating this scenario. So I hope you must
have a bit more information.

Speaker 2 (38:49):
I think no, I don't think you do well. If
I was to be honest, I think you'd be trying
to take women home and they'll be putting and you're like,
oh yeah, making sorry.

Speaker 1 (39:00):
Why would you try to take them home with no
because you have needs? Don't know?

Speaker 4 (39:05):
Because you have no mickey. I've gotten rid of my
balls years ago. I went to the doctor and said,
what's what good are balls to me with no mickey?
And the doctor said, there's no use, let's get these
technical doctors.

Speaker 2 (39:17):
Has actually have been just informs by the.

Speaker 1 (39:19):
Angel Gabriel that seems unlike the Gates.

Speaker 2 (39:23):
Is there's a Peter Peters the Gas isn't he.

Speaker 1 (39:26):
Peters at the Gates? I think? And he's informed me
that you have to have some I have gone to
the doctor with me and I said, I'd like to
get rid of my balls so I don't have sexual
urges that I can't act on with no mickey or
means to have an orgasm. And he said to me, actually,
an angel has just come down to me and told
me you have to keep your balls a bit more

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for a second, a bit more. So.

Speaker 2 (39:51):
What happened is like here you go, oh you want
no balls operation.

Speaker 1 (39:54):
And no balls.

Speaker 5 (39:58):
Technical Science, Medical Labor, the no balls operation. Oh you
want the no balls number twenty three on the menu?

Speaker 1 (40:11):
No problem.

Speaker 2 (40:12):
It's like, that's great, I'll get that right away. He
gets up, I slips and cractice had on his data.
He's not the only Why.

Speaker 1 (40:19):
Why is he dead?

Speaker 2 (40:20):
Because angel game?

Speaker 1 (40:22):
I'm not going to know the angel game.

Speaker 2 (40:23):
But you don't know that. Yeah, you know, that's what
I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (40:25):
You don't know. There's gonna be a bit of a
weird thing when every time I try to.

Speaker 5 (40:29):
Get the no ball surgery, the doctor slips, cracked it
open and bleeds to death.

Speaker 1 (40:36):
Questions will be asked, and then you.

Speaker 2 (40:37):
Have to figure and then you kind of said there's
After after four or five times this happened, you're like,
you know what, faith, this is not for me. You're
still the ideas, you know, but you're like it's not
for me. You're like, it's not for me. There's no
balls and it's just not meant to be, like I
have to have balls. Yeah, then then that on your
way the doctor's office, lovely nurse comes in, grab you

(41:00):
by the art. How's the one I like to look
at you? Why don't you?

Speaker 1 (41:03):
Why not it might be even more. I go for
a drink and I and I would say mix.

Speaker 2 (41:11):
The first thing.

Speaker 1 (41:12):
Listen, now, listen, you're going to have to make a
few decisions here because I am zero Mickey and I
can't get rid of my balls.

Speaker 2 (41:21):
But that's all your penance now. But that's your penants. Like,
so once you've lived that life, ye, would you.

Speaker 1 (41:27):
Be all right with that? I prefer I mean, if
if this is that's your Yeah.

Speaker 2 (41:31):
That's your penances. You have to live what happened to
like what I'd imagined that that sounds really shy the
amount of Yeah, so you wouldn't then you send me
the hell.

Speaker 1 (41:43):
This sounds probably worse than living like an eternity of torment,
is worse than living seventy righty years with no Mickey.
I just drink and smoke a lot until I die early.

Speaker 2 (41:54):
Iron sharpens iron, brothers, you know what I mean? You
get down to Hell?

Speaker 1 (41:58):
Yeah, but I don't think there might thrive from ocean structure.
Is well? Actually, since you're creating all these scenarios, so
what happens then if you go to Hell? Now I've said, actually,
do you know what, No, I'll not go for that
Peter or Gabriel Peter Gabriel Graps. I got to go
with the I gotta go with the basement option.

Speaker 2 (42:21):
You just hang out with evil people and have fun
for rest of your life.

Speaker 1 (42:25):
Yeah, But I don't think that that's I don't think
that Hell. I don't think you just go to Hell
is like have the crack.

Speaker 2 (42:34):
It depends I suppose. I mean, do you think Hitler's
having to crack down Hell? Probably?

Speaker 1 (42:39):
Probably? I thought Hell was where you were like tormented, and.

Speaker 2 (42:42):
You're tormented, but i'd imagine you can probably torments.

Speaker 1 (42:47):
Maybe not though, What's just sim what's kind of Hitler's
day look like when he's down Hell?

Speaker 2 (42:53):
Hitler, isn't it like Hell signing lords of autographs first
thing in the morning?

Speaker 1 (42:59):
That that would and all like.

Speaker 2 (43:07):
And as markers almost run out on every autograph.

Speaker 1 (43:10):
More more stressful then because he doesn't know if he'll
have enough ink left to do his autographs for the
demons after that.

Speaker 2 (43:16):
All the evil Jews that are in Hell, they come
down upset, have a scrap every day.

Speaker 1 (43:23):
It would be really annoying if you were an evil
Jew and like you went down to Hell and you're like,
I can't believe him in the same place as Hitler,
who could like true, Actually, that would be very very
you'd kind of be going, what does it all mean?
What was it all for? Really?

Speaker 2 (43:39):
What does it all mean? Yeah, so I think it'd
be good part. Yeah, I think personally I wouldn't have
anything to repent for when I get up you hand.

Speaker 1 (43:48):
Yeah, No, I have to say, listen, it's funny that
you bring this up, Peter Gabriel, because I actually did
a podcast and he's like, yes, you've quite bitter repent
for base on that podcast. Actually, now that you bring
it up, you know that stands to reason.

Speaker 2 (44:04):
Peter Gabriel, that's fair enough.

Speaker 1 (44:05):
He's like, that day you called me Peter Gabriel, Actually
that's in here several times. So yeah, I think even
the fact, even the fact that we do this together
we'll come what will happen to us is we'll go
to hell and like we'll be like them lads and
Alan wake that I just thought that they're just two
top halves of the body melded together. That would be

(44:27):
pretty good. And then you have no Mickey or balls
to worry about, or bombs or anything like it, just
and we could do I could do handstands sometimes then
you would do handstands. Let's go around the place like
a horrible demon. Horrible, awful, scary looking demon. Now no,
I'm still trying to get his theory. The calam regards

(44:51):
Able as an example of the attributes and actions which
God punishes with hell or narrow.

Speaker 2 (45:00):
Emino is all about the hell.

Speaker 1 (45:02):
No, because i've I don't have I have balls, but
no penis the next life. Regarding the origin and nature
of Iblis, there are two differing viewpoints. According to one,
Iblis is an angel, and according to the other, he
is the father of all of the gin Quiranic exit Exit.
Jesus and the stories of the Prophets elaborate on Ibliss's

(45:26):
origin story in greater detail. In Islamic tradition, Iblis is
identified with ash Chitan or the Devil, often followed by
the Epitah. Al Raheem or the accursed. Chaitan is usually
applied to Abliss in order to notate to denote his
role as the tempter. Well, Iblis is his proper name.

(45:49):
So I guess that is kind of like the devil
and Lucifer, right.

Speaker 2 (45:53):
Yeah, I suppose it is emin ast anything that you
would what would tempt you into the abyss is or
anything that you'd be like, I'll burn it all for
There's not really.

Speaker 1 (46:06):
Any point, is there, Like, when you think about it,
what are you gonna like, we're halfway through life. Best
case scenario, thanks reminding me fifty sixty years like or
worst Look, sure neither of us might wake up tomorrow.
You never know how way it's going. Like what would
be worth Like, yeah, you'll have some great sensory whatever,

(46:28):
but like it's not really worth burning in hell for
all eternity. Like what could be worth that.

Speaker 2 (46:33):
Would be our temptation would be some kind of like
golden bottle of whiskey or something.

Speaker 1 (46:37):
That never ending bottle of whiskey whiskey good, Like you
look at it if it's if we're talking about sinning
temptations stuff, it's it's the big one, isn't it. It's money.
It's it's money. Buttsy being able to get all fucked
up and drugs drink well, be able to set your

(47:01):
You're like, it'd be great. I've often wondered if you
just had control of your like if you could just
talk to your brain and be like release this chemical now,
Like you don't need to take the pill. You just
say to yeah, do that now, and then when you
start getting the hebgb's, you like, yeah, come down now.
And you could just like just organize your mood, which

(47:23):
is probably the best way because that way, no matter
what was going to be, like I'd like to go
into super ecstatic mode now please, And so no matter
how shit your life is, you're having a great time.

Speaker 2 (47:32):
Yeah, that'd be cool. Yeah, but that happens to people
that have like objectively ship live sometimes. What do you mean,
Like like, over the years, I've come across some people
who were like probably down under lock and you know,
not great in many ways, but they do have joy,
like you know what I mean, still experienced joy.

Speaker 1 (47:54):
Yeah, I think you can by the it's relative alternate man. Yeah,
one man said that. But you have a people who
then have everything or as we would perceive everything, then
they're fucking miserable, you know, Like why like even when
you think like Kurk Cobaine and stuff like that, you're
like krkle Bain carkle Bain had a ring.

Speaker 2 (48:14):
It is a handsome you know. Unfortunately it was when
I recorded of songwriter.

Speaker 1 (48:20):
Yeah, but he didn't have to be. He could have
been like, actually, never mind you. A Cordney problem is
with a lot of them lads at least is they
were awful kids. There were kids too young.

Speaker 2 (48:31):
They were just like they were young, famous and into
drugs before they even met.

Speaker 1 (48:37):
A hugely big life, and they had no frame of reference.
Like I've thought about this before. If you, let's say,
when we were eighteen or nineteen, we just became mass
wildly famous, we'd both be fucking ship. Yeah, of course,
Like you can't help but be if you're surrounded by
sickophants all day that are telling you your class, you
don't really have a good way to gauge if you're

(48:59):
actually a good person.

Speaker 2 (49:01):
I've been on this heart like ten years longer than
carkle Bain, like, and that's crazy. And you're like, here
was a young dude. Yeah, man, I don't know. I's
weird all of them dudes, but they were all very young,
and you know obviously drugs and all that.

Speaker 1 (49:15):
And do you think like if we were to like
I feel like if I made a shitload of money
now when we became totally famous or something, I wouldn't
like to be famous to be honest, such a yeah,
but I would like a shit on the money, Yeah,
exactly all those things. But I don't think that it
would change much about me. Buy some nicer shit and stuff.
But I want I want to spread a lot of

(49:35):
that money and make people that care about happy. And
you know, if I had like just a ridiculous summer cash.

Speaker 2 (49:41):
I think if I had any sum of cash that
was able to pay off my mortgage, I would just
do that.

Speaker 1 (49:46):
Oh yeah, yeah, I mean either obviously the main thing
that's like, that's the main thing. I would be going
on cackle Bain could have just like recorded in eight track,
put it out and everyone would have bought it and
be like, there's a mortgage played love Courtney, stop fucking
annoyed me. Like, if Courtney stopped fucking annoying me, I'll
make an eight track the rest of the mortgage. Yeah,

(50:08):
had an English accent. Not a lot a lot of
people know that, and that was the way it sounded.
To keep fucking annoying me. I'm going to put this
shot on in my mouth. Yeah, it's it is sad.
I'm trying to get my hands on the Lane Stay
Journal book. It's sold out. I'm trying to get yeah, depressed,

(50:29):
it's just his No, it's probably class I mean, he
he even though all the lyrics and everything was miserable,
he seemed to have a pretty good time most of
the time, so good that he was like, I don't
ever want to stop doing this.

Speaker 2 (50:41):
This is class I don't know. I don't think it
was classed.

Speaker 1 (50:45):
I think I think he had a pretty good time.
Even when he was dying slowly in his own apartment.
I think he was. He was quoted as saying, this
is class.

Speaker 2 (50:58):
But anyway, look, we're going to get to real gin stories.

Speaker 1 (51:01):
Online, True real stories online coming to you.

Speaker 2 (51:06):
At some point in my early teenage years, I was
about her Dane. I'd wake up in the middle of
the night and see a black figure standing at the
foot of my bed. It was not Louis c k.
Somehow I knew it was a woman, even though I'd
never seen her face. She would have pay her about
once every couple of months. The first few times that
petrified me, I'd sit up most of the night staring

(51:29):
at her. Eventually I got used to her. I would
either go back to bed, tell her to go away,
or try to speak to her. She would never res mad.
Occasionally she would appear her standing over me.

Speaker 1 (51:42):
In the bed. That was the most scary.

Speaker 2 (51:44):
Later, a friend of mine who was a qualified psychologist
told me that there are very stress, very stress related
illnesses that can manifest themselves like this. My childhood was
very stressful for different reasons, so I assumed that that's
what it was. The last two times I saw her
was when I was twenty five years old, and again
seven years later on my honeymoon, when my wife woke

(52:07):
me up petrified and there was a woman in black
standing at the foot of our bed. I stared at
the woman in black, then at my wife. I was shocked.
My wife could see her. I got up to turn
the light on, and she was gone. I didn't want
to scare my wife, so I just told her I
didn't see anything. I've never taught my wife this story

(52:28):
because I would just scare her, and I don't think
I ever will. I do ask her from the time
to time if she ever saw her again, and she hasn't.
She tells this as one of her gin's stories. And
I just sit there and listen with a smile on
my face, and.

Speaker 1 (52:44):
We as a gentleman who've seen shadow people?

Speaker 2 (52:47):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (52:48):
Before were they? Jean?

Speaker 2 (52:50):
I would say, actually the weather is described similar, Yeah, similar.

Speaker 1 (52:55):
She lacks Gina and its shows. Here's the second story
that at one midnight, I was exactly five years old,
exactly five years old, and I was lying next to
my fifteen year old cousin and we were watching Captain Planet.
It was around three or four am. Our families were

(53:17):
having breakfast. It seems like a strange time to have breakfast,
but how andever, we were all going to Islamabad to
pick up our USA VSAs and documents. So the boys
are being naturalized fair play sound. Me and my much
older cousin were watching TV and then the TV suddenly
shut off, but the lights were still on. This is

(53:40):
a weird one. Moments later, from behind the TV, a
tree trunk like figure rose with a face as big
as a twenty inch pizza pie and kept stretching outwards
until its head touched the room's ceiling, which is about
ten to twelve feet. It had no visible arms or legs,

(54:00):
just a long black body and a big face with
hollow eyes and an overly large mouth filling up the
face with a huge nose. It then just tinned out
of existence. My cousin was gasping, and I was stunned,
but it wasn't scared because I was too young to
know what it was. So two very different gin stories there.

Speaker 2 (54:22):
That one is, yeah, woody skinned Dryadi was kind of
like that weird recurrent nightmare I had of a creature
like that, which is interesting.

Speaker 1 (54:32):
Actually, maybe you were being tormented by a gin.

Speaker 2 (54:36):
Could have been it was kind of like a trickster.

Speaker 1 (54:38):
Yeah, in my brains, they weren't hot like the ones
you showed me on your phone.

Speaker 2 (54:43):
There it was, it wasn't it was human eye, but
it wasn't human.

Speaker 1 (54:47):
If you Sometimes I'd love to get a data set
on my life to show me, like what percentage I
spend doing various Like it might say something like you
spend too much time on your stupid podcast.

Speaker 2 (54:58):
Yeah yeah for rude, for no, not your fault, but.

Speaker 1 (55:01):
I would say, like how much do you charge per hour?
But I often wonder if it gave me a breakdown
of my dream types. I feel like sexy dreams would
be way down to the bottom. Oh yeah, you don't
get a lot of cool sexy dreams.

Speaker 2 (55:18):
I've had all the class over there I've.

Speaker 1 (55:21):
Had, Don't get me wrong, I've had a few here
and there. But in terms of, you know, bankable dreams.

Speaker 2 (55:28):
I had a couple of bank ones.

Speaker 1 (55:31):
That's what it be.

Speaker 2 (55:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (55:33):
I was like saying somewhere like you'd ghostly be like
I'm gonna have like you'd one out of every five
dreams would be a sexy dream. That's what I mean
by bankable, you mean like what rare is wonderful? Sometimes
a couple of couple every year. Yeah, yeah, maybe I
don't know how much. I don't think I get that many.

Speaker 2 (55:52):
How a dream good or night. I was on a
train or something and are rocked up, but it was
like there was not power on it or something, and
there was a lot of people in it and we
were trying to get to somewhere else. It was just
one of these like travel anxiety type of dreams.

Speaker 1 (56:12):
But I thought that was going to turn into like
a sex dream.

Speaker 2 (56:15):
No, it was kind of spooky sudden.

Speaker 1 (56:16):
The conductor was a bit rested.

Speaker 2 (56:18):
When I was younger, I had a couple of like
celebrity sex dreams and banging like fine celebrities and stuff.
When I was I was light with them.

Speaker 1 (56:23):
There were class yeah, I don't know that crity celebrity
sextreme right stuff, Martgage. No, I mean realistic. It's up there,
you know, especially as a young fellow.

Speaker 2 (56:36):
As an old fellow like bring and that that does
thing when you wake up from.

Speaker 1 (56:43):
That, like trying to get back to the ether, like
well we gotta go back to I think the first
time I ever had a moist dream, it was like
some sort of like sex with the teacher, but it
wasn't an actual teacher. It was just our teacher, half
a teacher. Yeah, I think that was the first. And

(57:05):
then when I woke up like, oh well.

Speaker 2 (57:08):
Oh yeah, gyp.

Speaker 1 (57:12):
Gypped all over. I never done that. Now, you never
had a dream your whole life just wanking like a hooligan?

Speaker 2 (57:18):
Were you most of just getting rid of it?

Speaker 5 (57:21):
Never had it?

Speaker 1 (57:21):
Never had enough.

Speaker 2 (57:23):
I've never had one of them.

Speaker 1 (57:24):
Yeah, I didn't have any. I had a handful, so
to speak. They're very disappointing.

Speaker 2 (57:30):
Maybe once or twice when I was young fella, aside from.

Speaker 1 (57:32):
Web like messing my shorts. It's it's like there's there's
not the feeling like this is the really the feeling
that the orgasmo isn't there so I like, what's the
point are you trying to tell me? I just jyped
myself without having an organ It's crazy. S.

Speaker 2 (57:51):
I don't know, man, the gin something? What do you
reckon about the gin? What do you reckon? The crackers
were like?

Speaker 1 (57:55):
Is it.

Speaker 2 (57:57):
To get back to what I suppose we will talk
about how it relates to like Western folklore. Is there
anything we can draw comparison from.

Speaker 1 (58:09):
I think we would call them ghosts, not necessarily just ghosts,
but anything that's in the realm of how strangeness I
think can be and could be encapsulated by calling it
the gin.

Speaker 2 (58:23):
Yeah, because when you're when you're actually read the stories
was led out for us there, it doesn't necessarily seem
that they are supposed to be just tricksters or boggy men.
Seems like a lot of lore employees that you know,
they're kind of doing the wrong thing.

Speaker 1 (58:41):
Also and as shape shifters, Yeah, you know you might
potentially they like to funk around with this from time design. Yeah,
because there is a lot of I think it was
like green Gin, we're more prone to being tricksters or
something like that. But yeah, well yeah, it's it's you know,
if you do this sort of even down to UFO

(59:03):
Sitans and aliens and all that, like that could be
Gin shape shift and just to play around with us.

Speaker 2 (59:08):
I doubt that now.

Speaker 1 (59:09):
I would tend to doubt that as well. Now I remember,
like people have talked about their weird abduction stories or
quasi abduction stories where maybe they're surrounded by people or whatever. Yeah,
but they don't actually get abduct it's like a dream state. Well,
potentially that's some sort of Gin stuff.

Speaker 2 (59:28):
That'd work well in the sort of Sasquatch big Foot
kind of camp. You know, you've got potentially forest to
Allen tricksters that could potentially, I suppose there's a theory.
But if all big Foot sitings are Gin tricksters.

Speaker 1 (59:43):
That's what That's what this book I read kind of
said it was. I was saying, like it was positing
that basically, yeah, it's all or like that was what
they said, not that necessarily it's all, but a good
proportion of them could be.

Speaker 2 (59:56):
I read a comment on rather recently in a Bigfoot
form that they were saying that they don't believe in
metaphysical Bigfoot because it sort of ignores all of any
of the evidence that has been found in any weshape
or form up to this date. Both true? Why not? Both?

Speaker 1 (01:00:15):
Why not? Both? I think I think like no, look,
it's a fair point, but also.

Speaker 2 (01:00:21):
Yeah, like the flesh and bud lads are like not
because if I believe in any of that will then
kind of discredits any of the actual stuff that people say.

Speaker 1 (01:00:31):
It also allows you to believe in whatever you want
as well.

Speaker 2 (01:00:34):
Which is quite convenient for Stranger's podcast.

Speaker 1 (01:00:39):
Pretty pretty good, But there's too much, there's too much
sight and is a weird thing?

Speaker 2 (01:00:44):
Is to like, Yeah, but like I would counter someone
from the big foot camp that says that anyway, and
I would just say, what real evidence do we have?

Speaker 1 (01:00:51):
Sorry, That's what I was about to say as well,
like sorry aside.

Speaker 2 (01:00:55):
From locots sichermnic thoughts and guess what else we have
anecdotes of?

Speaker 1 (01:00:59):
Did you with the ghosts? And look, I'm not saying
that the genre this, but it's it seems like an
interesting an interesting idea, especially when it's something that is
in ancient religious texts, you know, so it's a it's
kind of cool. But let me ask you this, speaking
of things that can shape shift, scared shift, have you

(01:01:26):
watched the Welcome to Dairy TV show. Yeah, I'm watched
three episodes and I said, that's a good show.

Speaker 2 (01:01:35):
Is it good if you like, haven't watched if because
I don't know what care what it is?

Speaker 1 (01:01:39):
Yeah, I don't need to know it, like it'll be
handy for you because you have to have a bit
of the law on it, and like you don't need it. Really,
it doesn't. The the clown isn't Like I watched three episodes.
That's nothing to do with it. It's it's a it's a.

Speaker 2 (01:01:54):
It's a pretty good Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:01:55):
So it's set in like nineteen sixty two, so it's
twenty seven years before the original seven years. It's really good.
But is it reminds me of this shape shifting terror monster,
which ye effectively is it does some really like the
first part of it, You'll be like, what the fuck

(01:02:18):
if you think of the thing, the thing itself as
a kind of a gin like thing that can just
take on various shapes. The monster design and the stuff
they're doing, and this is fucking like, it's it's better
than it's better than any of the movies.

Speaker 2 (01:02:35):
Who was Pennywise?

Speaker 1 (01:02:37):
Tim in the original Tim Curry in the original.

Speaker 2 (01:02:41):
And Tim Curry don't walk well, know he's he's what
did he has? He got something that I think don't
all but I said that lately and.

Speaker 1 (01:02:51):
Don't know he's a he's not a well man. Bill
Skys guys though, skeletons, skeletons, and I saw sense something.

Speaker 2 (01:03:00):
That hardy pod has about their kids. Skeleton Scars guard. Yeah,
there's not fucking for him having four of them are
fucking skeletons, rib Scars Guard, fucking femurs, Scars Guard.

Speaker 1 (01:03:13):
The membrane, Scars Guard, the older cups, Scars Guard, arconic
vital organ Scars Scars Guard.

Speaker 2 (01:03:26):
Yeah, it's a fucking bastard like yeah, but you look
limbic system, Scars card pull, minardy Scars guard.

Speaker 1 (01:03:36):
When you're a scars have to so hardy bastards wonderful
He Peter Gabriel skeleton too much.

Speaker 2 (01:03:50):
Just at the same moment, he's all right, there.

Speaker 1 (01:03:54):
Is a likeness. Are you checking to see how many.

Speaker 2 (01:03:57):
Check it out now? Spelling scars, scars selling scars children.
The funny part is when I type in skeleton skellon
Scars guard has already been searched on the phones, so
the partners.

Speaker 1 (01:04:11):
It's a shame and it didn't really work out as
a co host.

Speaker 2 (01:04:17):
Oh he has no, he's got a few with other women.
Much Hold the horny bastard. Oh well this is Alexander.
Hang on, which one is skeleton.

Speaker 1 (01:04:27):
Skeleton skelling Skellon Scars Guard. I believe there's two parents, sorry,
so four apiece? Maybe Bill and because Bill and alex
are there, they're the two famous ones.

Speaker 2 (01:04:43):
The man the face of a man who loves shagging.
He's a very happy looking for by.

Speaker 1 (01:04:49):
Yeah, of course he just loves shagging.

Speaker 2 (01:04:51):
How many babbies is the contract? Jesus, man, it's like
a football team. Look, there's a whole thing. Hang on,
Alexander skys Gard's he's north Man. You've got Bill Skars Guards. Anyways,

(01:05:14):
go Staves and Scars Guard. I us the Scars guard.
It's a Valter Skars Guard, Sam scars Guard and Ossian
skars Guard.

Speaker 1 (01:05:27):
Look at them. It's only young lad man and he
only had last week. Jesus, A looks like she's kind
of a gothy Skis guard, doesn't she.

Speaker 2 (01:05:41):
She's a scary scary scary Scars guard. Should look at
the Scars guards like the matter of the Jackson five,
the Scars Scars seven.

Speaker 1 (01:05:57):
Sing better, motherfucker. That's a Joe Sky.

Speaker 2 (01:06:02):
So look the gin.

Speaker 1 (01:06:04):
Yeah, the gene reel can't win with the gin.

Speaker 2 (01:06:06):
It's real, it's real. Better believe. We've seen Shadow People
with myself and Aim. And if you're new to this
podcast and going what am I listening to?

Speaker 1 (01:06:15):
Which is a reasonable reaction, go back.

Speaker 2 (01:06:18):
And listen to our Shadow People episode. Very long time ago.
We were very youthful. I could run five k in
twenty five and below minutes. Yeah I can now not
do that.

Speaker 1 (01:06:30):
I can my day. I could do twenty three minutes
as well.

Speaker 2 (01:06:33):
Oh yeah no, I could do it quicker now I'm
just being humble, like I mean, you have to go
up and talk to fucking Gabriel now that you're lies Gabriel,
and he'll.

Speaker 1 (01:06:41):
Tell you, Abriel say that was a majestic Not only
time used to be able to do before you got
fat and old.

Speaker 2 (01:06:47):
Not only the after repent, but now you have to
repent with no maky and one ball instead of two balls.

Speaker 1 (01:06:53):
It's probably easier. So that's half the testosterone. That's how
it works. Really, Yeah, less ball, Yeah, I think that's
it works.

Speaker 2 (01:07:06):
Look, I'm not a doctor, but some things you should
ask sk and skys about how to make he works actually, because.

Speaker 1 (01:07:14):
Well he probably has three or four balls.

Speaker 2 (01:07:19):
Probably he's how much more balls?

Speaker 1 (01:07:22):
How much balls? What you fit he has? Maybe a
big bag? Yeah, look, look believe the Yeah, it's a
good just stopped doing this podcast forever.

Speaker 2 (01:07:40):
Stopper. So, Jane, would they win? Have you seen them?
Let us know, masterful podcast. Cha dot com I've been robbed.

Speaker 1 (01:07:49):
I've been naming over and out