The Khamar Daban Incident

The story begins on August 2, 1993, in the Khamar Daban mountains of southern Siberia. A group of students visiting from Petropavl in Kazakhstan planned to hike from the shores of Lake Baikal and summit Kang-Ula.The seven hikers were Aleksander Kyrsin, 23; Tatyana Filipenko, 24; Denis Shvachkin, 19; Valentina Utochenko, 17; Viktoriya Zalesova, 16; Timur Bapanov, 15; and leader Lyudmila Korovina, 41. They were reportedly a tight-knit bunch of good friends. The group had done difficult hikes before, and all were physically fit. They also had a hiking legend in their midst. Lyudmila Korovina was a well-known survivalist with a strong will and excellent problem-solving skills. She even had the nickname of Master among those she led on expeditions. The event has been likened to the Dyatlov Pass incident, earning it the name "Buryatia's Dyatlov Pass".

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Speaker 1 (06:53):
We're off to a good start. So as as we
were saying, this is a this is like extremely akin
to the Alav Pass. It's Kamar Daban, the Kamara Duban incident.

Speaker 3 (07:10):
A little thing for people again who door? Not a
bunch of people went missing, mysterious weather. There was a
lot of interesting stuff about it, but they were all
all the hike, I think, wasn't.

Speaker 1 (07:19):
Yeah, we actually do. We give a really quick overview
of the past. Because this is so similar. We will
get into it. So let's get ready to play with
a one handed fight stick on all the swim suit
editions for street Fighter. The story begins on August the second,
nineteen ninety three. Good year for grunge, solid year for grunge,

(07:42):
not a great year for Russian hiking in the Kamaradban
Mountains of southern Siberia. A group of students visiting the
Petra Pavel in Kazakhstan planned to hike from the shores
of Lake by Cal and somewhat kang Ula. No lake
bi can all that by culture, we know Lake by Cal.
Russian soldiers attacked by deep water Aliens. Possibly we've done

(08:05):
an episode on that, so this has already got an
element of strangeness there. Now, there's nothing tying to Lake Bykal.
But I checked it out on Google mapps. What's funny
about Google mapps is it can't give you the distances
in Russia because Google have never been there. So yeah,
so basically from what I could see, they look extremely
close together. So anyway, the seven hikers were Alexander Kirson

(08:28):
who was twenty three, Tatiana Filipenko who was twenty four,
Dennis Schwashkin nineteen, Valentine Utachenko who was seventeen, Victorio Zelesova sixteen,
Tim Moore Bapanov who was fifteen, and the leader, who
was Lyudmilia Corvina was forty one. And they were reportedly

(08:52):
a very tight knit bunch of friends and they would
like hide together and stuff like that. They had a
good group together and a good good age spectrum as well. Right,
so the group had done difficult hikes before, and we're
all physically fit. They also had a hiking legend in
their midst legend. That sounds good, that's what you are.

(09:16):
Amilia Coravina was a well known survivalist with a strong
will and excellent problem solving skills. She even had the
nickname of Master amongst those she led on expeditions. So
that's the gist of you know, it's like the start
of into the wild settence. They're on their way before
everything goes to ship. Now, the overall, the overall incident,

(09:42):
if you like, has been likened to the Dat Love
Pass incident, and it's earned it the name briati as
Dat Love Pass. So basically as we were saying the
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Right, okay, so it's the contrary love Pass, like that
passes time manstream for you. You know all about this one, right,
So we're going to.

Speaker 1 (10:03):
Fill the around the pass, but it's shoegaze.

Speaker 3 (10:05):
It is, yeah, the Pass incident, right, so let's talk
a little bit about it. It was an incident. It
was an event in which nine Soviet ski hikers died
in the Northern Ural Mountains on the forest or second
of February back in nineteen fifty nine, in mysterious circumstances.
The experienced trekking group from the Oral Polytechnical Institute, led

(10:27):
by Igor the Atlav, had established a camp on the
eastern slopes of Kollat Siak, something like that in the
Russian fs Ore of the Soviet Union. Overnight, something caused
them to cut their way out of their tents and
flee the campsite while inadequately dressed for the heavy snowfall

(10:47):
and sub zero temperatures. After the group's bodies were discovered,
an investigation by Soviet authorities determined that six of them
had died from hypothermia, while the other three had been
killed by physical trauma. One victim had major skull damage,
two had severe chest trauma, and another had a small
crack and a skull. Four of the bodies were found

(11:09):
lying in running water in a creek, and three of
the four had damaged soft tissue of the head and face.
Two of the bodies had missing eyes, one had a
missing tongue class and one had missing eyebrows. As you do,
that's really weird because you fucking lay gaga.

Speaker 1 (11:27):
But you would have some sort of expectation of eyes
and tongue being taken by wildlife. But there's no wildlife
that takes eyebrows. There's no nutrition.

Speaker 3 (11:38):
So the investigation concluded that a compelling natural force had
caused the deaths. Numerous theories have been put forward to
account for the unexplained that there was adamal attacks like botarmia,
an avalanche, catabatic winds, infrasound, injuiced panic, military involvement, or
some combination of all of the above. Russia actually reopened

(12:01):
an investigation into this incident after those sinsperiously guys in episodes.
It was just twenty nineteen. They reinvestigating all of the
rumors of the best yeah, concluding in twenty twenty that
an avalane twenty twenty, which is when we started about
that avalanche, had most likely forced survivors to suddenly leave
their camp in law visibility conditions with an adequate gear,

(12:22):
which meant that they had died of hypothermia. Andrea Karyakov,
deputy head of the regional prosecutor's office, state that it
was a heroic struggle. There was no panic, but they
had no chance to save themselves under any circumstance. A
study led by scientists of the EPFL and eth h Zorik,
published in twenty twenty one, suggested that type of avalanche,

(12:44):
which is known as a slab avalanche, could explain some
of the injuries. A mountain pass in the area later
was named the Outlav Pass in memory of the group.
Despite the incident occurring about seventeen hundred meters which is
five six hundred feet away on the eastern slope of

(13:05):
Call that seackle a prominent rocket air crop in the
area now sorts as a memorial to the group. There's
about five hundred meters to the east southeast of the
actual site of the final camp. So, yeah, that one
was mysterious. Like to me, I don't know whether it's
just because this whole year two thousand twenty things kind

(13:25):
of there, but it did to me kind of seem
like an avalanche. But I haven't looked deep enough into it. There.

Speaker 1 (13:31):
Yeah, there was loads of stuff, Like one of the
big conspiracies is sovious weaponry that was being tested because
some of the injuries they sustained. What you know, again,
I don't really know what what would they call it
sheet avalanche was a slab, So I'm not I'm not
overly familiar with what dad is in relation to what

(13:54):
I would know as an avalanche, so potentially, but there
was them. It would seem a little bit strange us
because there were some of them that were naked or whatever,
but like, no, no, it could be that the avalanche
just tore the clothes after weather drip. But you kind
of make an assumption that they weren't.

Speaker 3 (14:10):
You a tent. Did you have no calls on them?

Speaker 1 (14:16):
Like, yeah, you o the flap, that's flap, warm in
the snow, naked in a tent, having the right fight bag.

Speaker 3 (14:26):
Brother just got in a double bags.

Speaker 1 (14:29):
You know, you went from nineteen fifties there was no
such thing as a double sleep.

Speaker 3 (14:32):
That's true.

Speaker 1 (14:32):
There was no writing intents in the nineteen fifties. So
be a sleepover by.

Speaker 3 (14:38):
Having I think it avalanche and rip your underpants.

Speaker 1 (14:40):
Off, only the underpants on, and it's only if it
was an elastic underpants, if you had a belt and
a good pair of starts.

Speaker 3 (14:46):
Well, the thing is that avalanched that a lot of
people understand. It's like kind of like washing your calls
with rocks. That's kind of what happens in there. Yeah,
So like when you're getting swept around and all last
snow and ship like there's like rocks and all sorts.

Speaker 1 (14:59):
Of yeah, like you're getting tumble drive.

Speaker 3 (15:02):
Yeah, there's all rocks, passion off and ship like I
think it would shred.

Speaker 1 (15:06):
Yeah, no, I think I think you're right yet, like
you know, the Okham's razor, But again I don't know,
like I haven't looked into the particularly when you look
into the particulars of it, it does like the most
likely thing is that it was some sort of a
natural event because there was other stuff about I don't
know where they up there taking mushrooms or something and
that cause them to all go a bit mad. There's

(15:26):
lots of stuff like that, but there's no way to
validate any of it. Now you're in effectively you know
what would you say that that's like an area prone
to kind of tundra and shit, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (15:38):
Like rough as that's that's the parish place.

Speaker 1 (15:41):
It's it's possible that that, like the avalanche did what
it did, But they're very interesting. What's interesting about this
one is this actually has a survivor, so they recount
what happened, and what happened is actually what happened here.
If that is something similar to what happened in the Love,
it actually opens up a whole lot more questions. So

(16:03):
it's pretty bizarre. So the party set off with ample food,
equipment and clothing. Coravena called the local weather station, and
the forecast was for sunny, pleasant weather, and there were
also They were also not alone. Corvina's daughter Natalia was
leading a second group nearby. They planned a rendezvous at
a certain point a few days later. Loud Amelia Coravina's

(16:26):
group planned to cover two hundred and twenty kilometers and
climb up to two thy three hundred and seventy one meters.
So they set off on August fourth from Marino near
Lake by Cal again Lake by Cal. We're gonna have
a chat about that afterwards, and we're talking about what
possibly happened. The trek started well, but the forecast proved wrong.

(16:50):
Rain was pelting down and high winds raked the slopes.
The group started to slow down and complained of cold,
since temperatures had dropped below freezing. So you can imagine
you may have done have done some fairly skaldly hikes,
especially in Snowden. We went just to do of us
like that was raspy, and that was nothing compared to
the level.

Speaker 3 (17:10):
Of no no, like the verticality was more on the
altitude and also just the extremities of the the weather,
like yeah, for sure, like Snowden can actually be quite
extreme if you want to go up it in like
December of January, but like, yeah, this seems like fairly serious.

Speaker 1 (17:28):
Yeah, so they wind up camping. They're not even able
to start a fire until the morning. So it's a
fucking horrible and you can imagine like what that what
the sort of heavy rain and the wind is like
when you're just in a tent, mim nineteen fifty cent
garbage like. So that's what they do, and then they
successfully summit their peak. But the descent is where basically

(17:53):
everything turns to shit. So according to Valentina Utochenko, who
was the sole survivor, so just to retrace very quickly,
Valentine was she was a seventeen year old girl, so
she wasn't the kind of forty one year old master
legendary hiker. Okay, So while descending down the mountain at

(18:18):
the altitude of twenty three hundred and ninety six meters, right,
this is fucking wild man, Christen, who was at the
back of the group, starts screaming. Udachenko says that when
she turned around to look at her, she was bleeding.
Excuse me, Chrisin is a he? She he was bleeding
from his eyes and his ears and frothing at the mouth.

(18:40):
He fell to the ground, convulsing and then went still.
She Coravena ran up to him, trying to get him
to gain consciousness, and a moment later she cried out
and seemed to display the same symptoms. She convulsed and
then collapsed on top of Christen. Philipenko, who would gotten
to Corvina first, was the next to collapse, Grabbing at

(19:03):
her throat as though she couldn't breathe. She crawled over
to a nearby rock and began bashing her head against
it until she turned limp class right, So this is
fucking like this is act two of the movie. Zelasova

(19:23):
and Bapanov started to run, and while running they collapse
and they die as they throw up blood and claw
at their own throats tear their clothes off. Utachenko and
Sashkin hurried away, but shortly after Swashkin also collapses, convulsing.

(19:44):
Right Dachenko ran down the mountain, set up a tent
for the night under the tree cover and fell asleep
marshals by the fire by and the next day she
returns to the site of her friend's death to retrieve
supplies she needed from their bodies. For four days, she

(20:06):
followed power lines down the mountain in the hopes that
someone would find her. She found a river and started
following it. On the ninth of August, she was found
by a group of Ukrainian kayakers, who took her to
the nearest police station, where a report was filed. So
they go, they set off on the second of August. Sorry,
they set off on the fourth of August. So five days, man,

(20:29):
and it's like the second or third day that they
all fucking melted. Yeah, bodies, dead bodies everywhere. The bodies
were covered two weeks later, with autopsies performed. Coravina apparently
had died of a cardiac arrest. The others show signs
of protein deficiencies and muscles that suggested starvation. But that's

(20:49):
very dubious for the second or third day of the
trip accident. Right Meanwhile, fluid build up in the lungs
indicated hypothermia. Nevertheless, doctor ruled these two conditions out as
the likely causes of death. However, this does not explain
why they died within minutes after presenting no prior signs.

Speaker 5 (21:10):
It sureley fucking doesn't it's bizarre though, so likeav is
a really interesting one in that, like we know something
happened because they found the bodies witnesses.

Speaker 1 (21:20):
But here's the thing. Why would of the group people,
why would only one not have had like had some
sort of immunity to whatever happened, Like what that? It
seems very bizarre.

Speaker 3 (21:33):
Yeah, my first thought was like, well, after all, fucking
something on, Like it's either like a weapon or some
kind of frequency or yeah.

Speaker 1 (21:40):
And that's one of the one of the theories is
potentially it's a nerve agent. But if it was a
nerve agent, you would expect everyone what's her.

Speaker 3 (21:49):
Name or But then again, if your uper down wind
of a particular thing, like maybe she was literally just
enough out of the way of a.

Speaker 1 (21:57):
Breeze because it's it's airborne, and yeah, yeah, I.

Speaker 3 (22:00):
Could have been a waft. So you know, you get
a whaft like a Dutch oven.

Speaker 1 (22:03):
Or something, you get crop dusted by someone as they walk.

Speaker 3 (22:06):
By Dutch oven. Like if you're if you're in the
direct Dutch oven, it's worse than if you're sitting on.

Speaker 1 (22:11):
It's a well known fact that you can only withstand
your own Dutch oven. Someone else's dutch out. You might
start bashing your head against you know, it's sucking. G
I was one of the lads their Their dad had
a good saying. It was children are like fires. You
can only barely stand the smelly you're well, yeah, it
sounds like a good da good day.

Speaker 3 (22:33):
It was good to his own at least, I suppose
all right. So you might be asking what actually happened
to you with the Chenko. So the Chanko did not
speak for several days. The official search was if I speak,
I'm in trouble. The official search was conducted on twenty first,
twenty four of August, led by your goaliest shouts, because
you're the Chenko had not been able to recount hard

(22:54):
version of events yet. It took two days to find
the bodies using choppers. The Higer's bodies were not to
have been partially undressed.

Speaker 1 (23:02):
Now again, they were up there for two weeks after,
so you know.

Speaker 3 (23:06):
All the all of the doubt hikers were found to
have had signs of bruised lungs. An autopously carried out
in ulan Ude concluded that Kirsen, Philipenko, Bapanov, Zalazanovavatchkin, they
all died of hypothermia, and then Coravena had a heart attack.
For the crack for all the deficiencies with the manutrition

(23:27):
was listed as the factor. Valentino U to chank Go.
The soul survivor, then vanished from the spotlight until the
curious reporter tractor down in twenty eighteen, twenty five years later,
This is Russia, feel like you were to Chanko's initial
behavior toward the reporter was rather hostile. She asked her
reporter why she was bringing up this nightmare again. She

(23:49):
could have suffered from PTSD as she had kept the
incident the secret, even from her husband.

Speaker 1 (23:55):
So if this is twenty five years later, she's still
just a couple of years older than me, in early forties.
The young woman, the young the prime of her life,
very menopause, breathing down the neck. And then this person
comes in. She's getting the proper nark on being asked about.

Speaker 3 (24:14):
These things, whether or not gonna be back? I got
it right, so oh yeah, so yeah. The reporter got
to her. She asked her reporter why she was bringing
up again, but eventually Enko calm down and allowed the

(24:35):
reporter to have an owl interview. There are notible spots
in chink urichenko story that could have been mistranslation from
Russian sources or trauma making her forget important details. For example,
she said there was no blood when in her initial
report there was. She also changed her story saying that

(24:55):
there were no screams. Somehow speculated whether her reactions suggests
she might have been responsible for her friend's deaths, but
that seems highly unlikely as she has no motive and
the group often when that hikes together. And why would
a seventeen year old girl want to murder.

Speaker 1 (25:12):
Her six college and would she even be able to
using something like that? You know some of the Russians
now if they have strange thoughts. In Russia from time
to time.

Speaker 3 (25:24):
Happened very big gaps between women and men.

Speaker 1 (25:27):
Like that's true, yeah, but you have them black widows. No,
they'd be like and then these husbands to the money.

Speaker 3 (25:33):
Was it like one of like the World Cup when
female teams are played like under sixteen lads they destroyed them.

Speaker 1 (25:42):
Yeah, but wasn't something like the whichever woman has the
world record for sprint? They got like like fifteen lads
in high school just don't know whomen we're able to
beat it's just because and be stronger than now. We
love his ladies against her, like, yeah, it's it's just
one of the harsh realities. No, there's some bitches out there.

Speaker 3 (26:00):
To break up. Yeah, yeah, well yes, yeah, but yeah yeah,
so I was like when Jock was and Rander, Rosy
would be flying ahead rather.

Speaker 1 (26:09):
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was like if it was an m m A fight,
she still wants to get boxed around the place. Yeah,
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be like it would be interested Randa and Floyd, if
you're out there, I'd be interested in seeing that fight.

Speaker 3 (26:25):
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kicked around the place.

Speaker 1 (26:28):
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probably box sead half at b Fly.

Speaker 3 (26:35):
She couldn't hit him. He just work around.

Speaker 1 (26:37):
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can't landing on him. He would have boxed, remember McGregor
and he he gave me no oper coat one time,
and then he sent pictures of his mickey to Ali
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the president, get a box, send pictures of my mickey
around the internet, cheat on my wife with reckless, abandoned beak,

(27:00):
guilty of a civil rape case, and then it's probably
the president of nothing.

Speaker 3 (27:05):
But what works?

Speaker 1 (27:07):
Well, what a what a man?

Speaker 3 (27:11):
It is funny that we're in an interesting time where
like remember like even as as early as like ten
years ago, like an accused of like or word and
or like any of that would be like career ruining.
But for a lot of people have his career define
and then they're like out like succeeding after the next
that one. Yeah, it's likely you're just at the time,

(27:31):
like literally ten years ago, I was like, oh, someone
accuses me or something like that. Even my life is round,
Like I was like not, actually, just if you're if
you're feeling guilty of a civil or case like or
Kelly or Kelly, there's another fellow. But that was like
like again to your point cancer, like, no, you don't.

Speaker 1 (27:54):
Getting opportunities or whatever opportunities after you've been found guilty
of a civil or case. It's wokens mad. Surely that
seems like reasonable.

Speaker 3 (28:02):
Yeah, yeah, no, no, but it doesn't actually affect anymore.

Speaker 1 (28:04):
So a lot of sponsorship.

Speaker 3 (28:06):
Cordeney and I keep going on proper.

Speaker 1 (28:08):
Trial says that's unproper twelve.

Speaker 3 (28:12):
Yeah, I don't know, but about let's get back to
this investigation. So some people maybe suspected the more sophisticated hiker,
the more sort of experienced hiker, and that she was
quite driven, tough Soviet woman. You know, she was driven
when I came to treking, and she was pushing her
troops too hard. Coravena may have had an intense personality,

(28:35):
but she was not unprofessional, power hung or negligent. Valentine
yu Tichenko even stated that Caravina cared for the group
even to the end. In the second the story, the
popular YouTube channel The lore Lage pointed out that there's
a Russian version and an English version. They differ in
significant ways, including even the mountain on which they died. Right,

(28:59):
some sources say it was kaNgula, while you tu Chenko
and Russian sources call it retranslight light horror peak.

Speaker 1 (29:08):
That's a strange name.

Speaker 3 (29:11):
The two pigs like quite a bit of part. Yeah,
so it'd be like saying like tr Fan and Snow
and they're like quite far apart, like Some sources called
different dates for you to Chenko's rescue. Some say she
emerged from the trees, covered in blowed and screaming, Samora,
you must go to themora, while others have her staring

(29:34):
into space and unresponsive. It does not help. In her
initial nineteen ninety three police report and her twenty eighteen
interview likewise different in key details. So that so that's
that's a juicy right there, because you know it comes
down to, I suppose a witness right without it thought
we have not, and it's just another day lock pass.

(29:56):
So with the witness as you can go off. Is
like while she said, so okay, I suppose at the
very least everyone around her died and she survived.

Speaker 1 (30:06):
Yeah, which is popular. And again it'd be one thing
if the age proper she was a seventeen year old
loaded like seventeen year olds or whatever. There's a good
spread of age. I imagine. They're all quite physically fit
and active. So it's very peculiar. And even why they
say that hypothermia and then your other one, their names

(30:28):
are all hired. Yeah, Corvena has a heart attack, but
the rest of them die of something else like that.
What's the probability first of all, everybody dying but you
and then have one of them to die of something different,
but everyone else to die of the same thing.

Speaker 3 (30:43):
That could be one of the medical things though, like
just the.

Speaker 1 (30:46):
Heart attack was caused.

Speaker 3 (30:47):
But yeah, yeah, like you were dying anywhere, and then.

Speaker 1 (30:50):
It's like the COVID deaths.

Speaker 3 (30:52):
Yeah, it's like when people die of old age, and
it's like yeah, yeah, it's fair, but it's you know,
I mean one thing I think everyone in the West
does well, not the West being too general. I think
a lot of like town people or city people underestimate

(31:13):
like the wild in areas like I think Irish and
Great British people in particular, like we would definitely underestimate
like Australian wilderness like rainforests. I need those high contrails
in them areas, like we would underestimate them, you know
what I mean. So like if for example, if you
went to Brazil, like Annue Power, like let's do a

(31:34):
high contrail like high contrails, and then places are like
very extreme and so it's hard for us to put
an accurate lens on how extreme a Russian high cup
in them mountains is. And it's also hard to like
really kind of visualize, like how many things go go wrong,
because things like can easily go wrong, Like it'll be

(31:55):
a sequence that things can happen and the next thing
everyone's fucked. Both there's no real way to be honest
that this doesn't sound fishy. There's no reason that there's
no way it doesn't sound fish It is fishy, but
as well, like and then you're trying to ask yourself, well,
why would she like is she is she making up

(32:17):
a story? Because is it some kind of coping mechanism?
Was the reality worse? Like like did they all start
and it was or not star of even but did
they all succumb to something?

Speaker 1 (32:29):
Yeah, like, look, it could be a PTSD thing. The
other part is you're taking an initial report and then
a quarter century later taking a follow up report. So
I'm sure if you ask me about things that happened
twenty five years ago, you'd probably give you a different perspective,
because what is it every time you remember something, you're
actually remembering the memory of the last time you thought

(32:49):
about it, and so it just keeps Chinese whispers honest, yeah,
kind of like but you never recognize it. It's like
it's like the way you change over time. You would
know if you change from like when you fifteen into
the way you look now. But over time there's a
unifying factor that keeps your integrity there. Yeah, what I mean,
they'll get a couple of jobs for now there every

(33:11):
now yourself in the mirror. Every time I shaved my beard,
it comes back.

Speaker 3 (33:16):
With more great Yeah, like I'm starting to go properly
ground size now and I'm again old bitch.

Speaker 1 (33:23):
Yeah, I hung out for a long time. It's hidden
amongst my beautiful red locks for years.

Speaker 3 (33:28):
But I looked at myself for a recently old bastard.

Speaker 1 (33:31):
By every now and then I saw an old teacher
of I was walking on town.

Speaker 3 (33:37):
It's gone back.

Speaker 1 (33:38):
It's common for you. It's common for you. No, it's
just funny because when you haven't seen someone in ages
and then you see him again, you know, in half
a couple of you know, sometimes then you see people
are like, oh, well you.

Speaker 3 (33:51):
Amount of our teachers And I actually and she looks
what I actually said.

Speaker 1 (33:54):
Yeah, the initials there that talk to you kimberly.

Speaker 3 (34:06):
But that is the truth. Though, like sometimes you say,
like our I see one of them, our teachers and
it was like a true coffee.

Speaker 1 (34:12):
Yeah. I think part of it is like I don't
think it's old because you see people who get old
but they age well. But it's probably down to nutrition strengthen. Yeah,
because there's so stress. Imagine just the answer your career
is to talk to thirty people all day. I don't
want you to talk to them and will actively disrupt

(34:34):
and be little.

Speaker 3 (34:35):
Yeah, that's you for life. Mark theories ries needing all
about theoriesies on what happened. I'm very excited.

Speaker 1 (34:45):
About a few old theories. Now, lads a few old
theories and this will be the closer, as they say.
So there's multiple theories that have been proposed to explain
what has caused the hiker's death. Rescuers Valerie Tatarnikov and
Vladimir Zinov, who took part in the search operation for
the bodies, claimed that it was impossible for the hikers

(35:07):
to die of the cold, right possible, which would rule
out that thing that they said basically killed everybody, but
Kronov or whatever her.

Speaker 3 (35:15):
Name is.

Speaker 1 (35:18):
Zinov suggested that they might have died of altitude sickness.
I think that's the I don't think you would die
that way of altitude. That sounds interesting, now, okay, right, So,
Vladimir Borzenikov and a member of the search operation, Nikolai Fedorov,

(35:39):
suggested that it could have been due to infrasounds. Yuriglias,
the leader of the search operation, blamed the death on
Corvena's negligence. He claimed that she was starving her students
with calling that vidom in defficiently. That's a fucking wild
take that they they have were protein deficient, like she
would have had to been starving him for.

Speaker 3 (35:58):
Fucking unless I see. This is the thing about the
devils into details. I suppose is that we don't know whether,
like they're saying like that there were her students, like
I mean, it is quite possible that, Well, there's a
couple of possiblities. One is like maybe it was some
kind of summer camp.

Speaker 1 (36:13):
Where it's aless thing where you're like they were in
but they were in her care for like our the
kids were in her care for months, like and she
was that kind of extremest fucking lunar.

Speaker 3 (36:23):
I suppose I suppose that was like like she had
them basically on a sort of a semi starvation diet and.

Speaker 1 (36:30):
It was trying to push yourself to.

Speaker 3 (36:32):
Yeah, well, well she was just kind of been a harsh,
cruel fucker, Like I mean, I don't I doubt. I
don't think there's many people in old school Russia that
were big eaters because I don't have that much fucking
food eat.

Speaker 1 (36:41):
Possibly so, but then it is like Corvena was always,
you know, very keen to the safety of.

Speaker 3 (36:46):
The group, that fucking bringing out equipment and having an
out belt onlogy.

Speaker 1 (36:50):
Yeah, it doesn't.

Speaker 3 (36:52):
It doesn't indicate.

Speaker 1 (36:53):
Kindness the rest of it, I am so. In the
twenty eighteen interview, Uchenko denied the theory that Coronova might
have been responsible for the deaths. She believes that the
cause of the hiker's death was pulmonary edema. Know what
that is crypt a crypt so first one hypothermia. The

(37:24):
first explanation proposes that the hikers died in the exact
same way the autopsy report concluded they did by succumbing
to hypothermia after not being properly sheltered that night. So
then they did they weren't able to light the fire,
and because they weren't out to find it was pelting rain,
terrible wind, So I suppose that's a possibility, right, possibility.

(37:45):
In severe hypothermia, there may be hallucinations and paradoxical undressing
in which person would remove their clothes, which would explain
how the hikers were pound were found partially undressed. Again,
though when she she's not talking about him taking their
clothes off as their die, So one wouldn't buy one
do it slowly. Certain parts of which Gengle story could

(38:08):
have been unintentionally exaggerated by her due to maybe the
fact that you know, she had a quite a traumatic experience.
M you know, but I do think they wouldn't. I
don't know if you'd remember someone smashing their head against
the rock life if it did not. Yeah, I'm not
a psychologist.

Speaker 3 (38:26):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (38:26):
No.

Speaker 3 (38:26):
So anothertary that was a military experiment, like we kind
of mentioned earlier. One terry suggests that the hikers might
have stumbled upon a Russian military experiment conducted in the mountains.
As such, they were killed so that the experiment would
remain a secret. This theory was deemed uncredible due to
the Kamar Dabbin Mountain Range being a public area with

(38:48):
many people traveling through it. During tour season to play.
That was advocate though, But the lock is a big
hiking trail I get to the top of that. It's
the Irish military shooting range.

Speaker 1 (38:59):
Yepia cares a little bit less about.

Speaker 3 (39:08):
So, yeah, they just had this unlikely for conducting experiments there, Yeah, true.

Speaker 1 (39:13):
True. Another one is about nerve agent. So the symptoms
described by the chain go bear resemblance to death by
nerve agent exposure. In particular, the frothing at the mouth
and convulsing match death by a strong nerve agent neurotoxin.
The bruising of the lungs could also be a sign
of death by nerve gas. As contact may cause respiratory distress,

(39:36):
it can also cause cardiac arrest, matching Coravena's cause of death.
All right, sure that happens. Novak, a family of nerve
agents developed by the Soviet Union and Russians up to
nineteen ninety three and considered to be the deadliest nerve
agents to exist, reportedly tested in areas near Commaradvan.

Speaker 3 (40:00):
So Another one is contaminated water. The nearby lake by
Carl is known to be a toxic waste background class.
If the west was actual with toxic Avengers Son.

Speaker 1 (40:10):
Yeah, yeah with Peter d English could be all right,
it looks fun trailer, not that I saw. I was
doing my pools and I think, yeah, I watched the
Toxic Avengers. Yeah, it was a pretty it was a
very experience. Yeah, I don't know, I don't know. It
looks it looks okay, like I didn't really. I wasn't

(40:32):
a huge like I watched the cartoon, but it wasn't
a huge.

Speaker 3 (40:35):
I had one of the toys.

Speaker 1 (40:37):
Yeah, I think everyone had one of the toys.

Speaker 3 (40:40):
Yeah, I had that. Yeah, he was.

Speaker 1 (40:42):
Pretty cool, actually was he looked he was just like
kind of a slur from the goonies.

Speaker 3 (40:48):
Yeah, I was alright's going like but.

Speaker 1 (40:52):
Like when you had Spider Man and Batman to be
watching X Man.

Speaker 3 (40:56):
Yeah, so maybe they were out like by cow they
reckon on some of the ways might wash downstream. The
hikers might have drunk some of the nasty ass, shitty
ass water, and the toxins might have not been visible
in a standard toxicology report. That's true.

Speaker 1 (41:15):
Possibly, Yeah, we're back to the the at love theory.
The hikers might have hallucinated and got sick due to
mushroom poisoning. Mushroom, which is a more efficient way of
saying really bad trip. Coravena was known to be a forager,
and she taught the art to her students. You want
to get the fairies because they might a real.

Speaker 6 (41:37):
Fly garic brothery therapists.

Speaker 1 (41:48):
Yeah, the blasting the strategy. One of the hikers might
have accidentally added poisonous mushrooms breakfast. They could also have
been hallucinogenic mushrooms. In very rare cases, an overdose of mascarine, muscarine,

(42:10):
and ibotenic acid, most common in Amanita mushrooms, might cause psychosis, convulsions,
cardiac arresque, and send a person into a coma.

Speaker 7 (42:21):
I know, I know Cereal Juey Lewis as someone who
has been the recipient of short term psychosis from ddressing
poisonous mushrooms.

Speaker 1 (42:38):
Yeah, I wonder, I wonder. It's kind of like you
don't often see stuff like that happening with the mushrooms.
If that was the case, it wasn't, and you would
have thought that other people would have different experiences where
they like just sat there looking at the wasteland. Amanita falloids,

(43:01):
the destroying angel and death cap mushrooms can look similar
to other edible mushrooms which are not fully matured, such
as young paddy straws and button mushrooms.

Speaker 3 (43:15):
Saw Aliens is the last one where you know, they're
talking about underwater dudes attacking Russian soldiers. Maybe it was
something like that happened.

Speaker 1 (43:22):
And again Lake there's a lot of us O and
UFO stuff, and then we have the there's I'm not
sure if it's Lake bl I know it's the the
robot underwater Aliens that shot the soldiers. Then there's some
other stuff. Matter of factly, Yeah, we've been doing this

(43:45):
for half a decade. You remember the underwater robot Aliens.
What was the episode we did where the alien robot
tried to get a fellow out of the tree. I
can't even know.

Speaker 3 (43:55):
Yeah, and he was like.

Speaker 1 (44:00):
It was any of these stories are true? The word like,
can you imagine going for a hike and there's an
alien robot trying to get you out of a tree.
I'd really dislike that could in that robot, that very
robot just watching the Toxic Adventures on an iPhone.

Speaker 3 (44:19):
So the so that there is not conclusive sort.

Speaker 1 (44:24):
Of and the only the only witness evidence we have,
if you like, is what reliable? Yeah, is she like
holding Coughield from J. D. Salinger's magnum Opus, The Catcher
and the Rye. Probably not. He actually went a bit
mad as well in the book. Probably animal scary.

Speaker 3 (44:48):
Yeah, I I what do you think? Like, I'm leaning
towards to be honest with you, I'm gonna go with
like Russian fucking mad ship. Yeah, webs.

Speaker 1 (45:03):
I think it's probably nerve agents alitude.

Speaker 3 (45:06):
Take this if if she pushed them really really hard
to gain altitude really really quickly, like if she was
doing some kind of stress test program where she was like,
I'm going to get the most out of these, and
like maybe she had a thing in her head like
you see, there's a whole lot of factors that like

(45:27):
would be quite reasonable. Like, for example, she sensed in
herself she said, right, we need to gain a certain
amount of elevation her tonight or because the weather's going
to change, right, And so she pushed and pushed, and
that well that they went up too high and attitude
too quickly, and then the hemorrhaged that can happen, Like

(45:48):
that's that's the whole thing.

Speaker 1 (45:49):
Yeah, that's that's possible. I suppose what did they say,
was it was three thousand.

Speaker 3 (45:53):
Feet No, I think it was about seven and a
half or a thousand feet.

Speaker 1 (45:58):
Must have been meters. I was thinking, yeah, I guess.

Speaker 3 (46:02):
So it's more about the elevation gain, you know, just.

Speaker 1 (46:06):
How in the time. But they did it in the day,
the things you know they did the one camp they
had no fire, they're probably freezing in bad condition, went up.
But it seems maybe I wonder why you one person can.

Speaker 3 (46:22):
Bodies just but I literally take this is funny, like
because like you won't like with twenty people, and some.

Speaker 1 (46:29):
People will be affected and something. Yeah, when we were
in Peru, it was like that. Yeah, some people were
more affected. They because they sell all the zimos and
everything up there. Like they would say to you, if
you're taking something to help you go to sleep, be
careful because you're up so high that if you, of
course that was a house for concern for you. Yeah,
well i'd be I'd like, you know, I like goofing off,

(46:50):
you know what I mean, like goofing off Google dude.
I was up there agatting terrible altitude and sickness, but
I was taking za value him and having yourself. I
felt a bit out of source once or twice, but
nothing I got.

Speaker 3 (47:08):
I got a e.

Speaker 1 (47:09):
Coli, which was way worse, like because I had a
salad like the gringos can't drink the water over there
because it's full of parasites. Jays was coming out both ends.

Speaker 6 (47:18):
Man.

Speaker 1 (47:18):
I felt like I felt like CoRaven. I fucked up. Man.
I was like no, So we basically we we were
on a bus. It took about five or six hours. Again.
I got to be cousins place and he had like
pizza that they ordered and he's like, I have slice
pizza and I was like I.

Speaker 3 (47:36):
Already that hungry.

Speaker 1 (47:37):
I was like, ready that hungry now. And then I
was like I'm just gonna go into the bathroom. And
as soon as I went in, I was like, yeah,
it wasn't coming out the other end that night, thankfully,
But I had like a proper like I probably did
just I wouldn't call it psychosis, but I was like
I wasn't right. You know when you get really bad
food poison, Yeah, you don't know what's going on. So

(47:58):
I was lying in the bed just rolling around.

Speaker 3 (48:00):
Happened to it was fucking demented. Was like, bitch, you
better snap I had the yeah, get a grip. Yeah
that's what old fashion woman.

Speaker 1 (48:09):
Slapping when your brother goes Marge giving him the last listen. Yeah,
I don't know, like to be fair right now to
see the date on like the success rates of just
slapping someone back to sanity and maybe talking him down
and using moderns. I look, I slapping, slapping, power slap,

(48:33):
so more slapping. What do you think of power slap
sh Yeah? Kind to watch that was like I tried
to watch on YouTube and.

Speaker 3 (48:41):
All about brand damage.

Speaker 1 (48:43):
They're awful.

Speaker 3 (48:43):
You're like, I don't really want to watch that at
least what you have saying. I was like, Las Winter
Suns can kind of avoid just buying when.

Speaker 1 (48:51):
You're just slapping.

Speaker 3 (48:52):
Literally, it's just giving each other unfiltered CT It's so dumb,
like we know Brandon Shop, we know what happens when
you So it's like you have just doing that, like
you know.

Speaker 1 (49:04):
When they're slapping them, I assume that they're putting in
like the pant like yeah, it's nuts and your hand
won't break by slapping some of the heads, so you
don't need to you're after crop dust in yourself. Speaking
of nervous, you look like you're fucking sick. That looks terrifying.

Speaker 3 (49:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (49:24):
If I squint, I can actually see.

Speaker 4 (49:26):
The gloom, the plumes a mist rising from coming.

Speaker 1 (49:31):
I'm really terrified over here.

Speaker 3 (49:33):
Pint the Murphy's yesterday. Yeah, a black ship after black shirt.

Speaker 1 (49:38):
Usually mads damaged your op lawns as Murphy's is wont
to do.

Speaker 3 (49:46):
Let's give you the black ships.

Speaker 1 (49:47):
Yeah, what red wine would as well, But those are
whiskey black shift the last alcohol. No alcohol, Yeah, no, whiskey, definitely.
I don't know. You see, I usually do can mix
like you know, we beamish Stevy bby.

Speaker 4 (50:05):
Glass of class of over for my dinner.

Speaker 1 (50:10):
Temporary low. Maybe I'll try to some temper and sure
after that, you know you'd be like, probably have another beer,
maybe a short and then after that, you know how
after actually grand Now, yeah I did, I did.

Speaker 3 (50:26):
I did.

Speaker 1 (50:27):
The bones of a month of steroids. Brocol got mad
Hench got mad hench.

Speaker 3 (50:34):
So many people that who think that steroids that you
have to take when you're bleating at your anabolic steroids
are the same thing as well. That's that's one of
the most really annoying things that people say. I'm like, like,
if you said that's someone I have to go on steroids,
and they're like all ripped and all and like.

Speaker 1 (50:49):
Yeah, no, like I don't think they understand as well,
like steroids if you're not working out, but they're not
just no no, But I mean, just in general, people
seem to think if you just in Jake's episode, you'll
be like the Hulk.

Speaker 3 (51:02):
It'll just be a big blowing fun. But they're so
different that you shouldn't ever mentioned.

Speaker 1 (51:08):
Put it this way, If steroids work holistically on the body,
then why is the doctor making me shove them up
my ars? Why? Why couldn't I just take the oral solution?

Speaker 3 (51:19):
Do you have any directions running you're popping up your
hole now as I was propping up my home, Do
you have any sort of tool running up?

Speaker 1 (51:28):
Yeah, my fingers, my fingers and soapy water water when
I'm going in, like I'm going to like black mountains,
spin on it and just fired up there.

Speaker 3 (51:45):
Yeah, I wasn't washing inside your hole on these last
You gotta you gotta pop.

Speaker 1 (51:51):
It open and just get the shower gel up there.
You know, you have to put a bit of water
on it, the water like you're not Probably I feel
weird putting loom in your own hours. There's just there's
a whole cultural sentiment and I wasn't prepared to open
that door. Yeah, you put in a bid to be fair,

(52:12):
there's a bit of But what you did was then
be moving. Then sure, you know you'd be like you
go at yourself from the front end with the loom and.

Speaker 8 (52:26):
Feels really, stop talking is on your hand anywhere you left,
you're left with the loom in for the penny in
the stick on you.

Speaker 1 (52:52):
I'm imaginals celevated down on the bed cover yourself. Just
go obviously I didn't do that. No, it's yeah, and
I'm thankful that it seems to have worked for now.

(53:13):
So it's like when a flare is up, you just
need to do something to stop smoking bags. Then works
for the that's the long term strategy. Short term strategy
is every now and then, you just need to put
raw steroids up there.

Speaker 4 (53:29):
You have to put them up there. Get them right
up there, get him right up there.

Speaker 1 (53:34):
Don't use the jelly because you'll just wind up having
to like against your best efforts, you'll just wind up
feels if you do long enough, you get taken. But anyway,
We're over that. Now, that's finished. That's finished. I'd like

(53:56):
to just extend my sympathies to anyone else who suffers
from some sort of chronic illnesses, that we may laugh
at them and make light of them and not have
them control our lives. And sometimes we could just make
a sort of a not a pun but an off
the Risk show after Jelly had anyways, am I going

(54:25):
to get.

Speaker 3 (54:25):
Rid of that?

Speaker 1 (54:28):
Am I going to get rid.

Speaker 3 (54:28):
Of it again? Make me show the wind from the laughing.

Speaker 1 (54:32):
You're well, look good? That gets your belly muscles going.

Speaker 3 (54:35):
Oh man, I'm what do I think that's going to happen?
I don't know what these aliens?

Speaker 1 (54:40):
Man? I think it was aliens up, Yeah, the aliens
with nerve gas. Possibly aliens that needed the inflammatory steroids
and they were proper andy, and they show these people the.

Speaker 3 (54:58):
Problem suppository got them right up there, Like seriously, I
don't know what happened.

Speaker 1 (55:06):
Like it's a bizarre story, isn't it a bizarre story?

Speaker 3 (55:08):
Like even on the more mundane inside of it, where
it's like, let's just say she came down the mountain
art attacks dropped out. That's what probability is is quite
what is that? Like, what's all survivalists like Mad.

Speaker 1 (55:23):
Forty one, she's she's you know, aliens Russia. It will
be a bit weird. I was just thinking about this
the other day, like like when the aliens finally, just
when your mind has to accept that now there's aliens
over the more bags, that's that's loads bigger than Yeah,

(55:44):
that's going. Yeah what she looked. That would be interesting.
I think that that's all just the government. No, it's
not blue bream.

Speaker 3 (55:50):
That's not fish, real real big fish.

Speaker 1 (55:54):
Because you know what I'm worried about is what's going
to happen when the aliens do take over and access
to life saving to good care like steroids. You stick
up your ars.

Speaker 3 (56:03):
You need to stockpile brother very expensive not expensive.

Speaker 1 (56:08):
Start uh mescalin. It's mess something I can't remember the
full name. All I know is whatever it's called. Stick
it up your ears for a month, you feel better.

Speaker 3 (56:21):
Yeah, you need to get you need to get backup.
Simon happens.

Speaker 1 (56:25):
Back ups for homing back so for.

Speaker 3 (56:28):
When the apocalypse happens. But she gets small fags just
stockpiled to back on.

Speaker 1 (56:32):
See for some reason, the fags. I gave up the
fags for a month, and as soon as I did that,
my arse went, you better start smoking fags again, But
then didn't. It didn't, And then I said, listeners, we're
trying something new here. But thankfully then I used medicine
specifically for the ars, and then I was able to
smoke fags with my mouth and that helps the arse.

Speaker 3 (56:52):
Now smart fags again, Yeah, yeah, I love fags, I said.

Speaker 1 (56:57):
Smart flags and drink and every night didn't really go
for your ars. It actually it is, you know, like
it is like if you go drinking and small bags
like your arse will get rid of the stuff and
probably it's Look, if I leave the ars to its
own devices, it's much worse, That's all I know. If

(57:17):
I if I give the ars a little slap in
the way of cigarettes and.

Speaker 3 (57:22):
To drink is like chemotherapy, like poisons your bodies.

Speaker 1 (57:25):
Poison body. It gets everything moving, everybody's moving, everybody's grooving. Baby,
I call my I call it a bastard. It's bastards
luke Kelly's face.

Speaker 3 (57:40):
I do it more after I have all drink the
next time.

Speaker 1 (57:43):
To be fair, you poison your bo But like all
that ship, yeah, surely putting steroids up your ars is
a poison.

Speaker 3 (57:53):
It is the most exquisitez get like a sensation, just
a not nice but I still want to Like you
don't want to pop it in there.

Speaker 1 (58:10):
You don't, you don't know that, but like you have
to remember, like when you pop it in there, you
don't want to be doing any any ships. Yeah, So
like you have to have the ships done, and you're
taking a shower, so you're firing it in there, and
then you're just you're just hoping you don't have to
have a ship again because then the medicinal benefits won't
be there quickly, not as quickly as you think, because

(58:33):
you're shipping out weird. So afterwards, like it's pretty much
pretty much just this odd, flaky residue.

Speaker 9 (58:44):
This is chronic illness, chronic life long illness that I
am making light of because I want to.

Speaker 1 (58:56):
I wanted the people to remember, you're the boss of
your not your isn't the boss of you, You're the
boss of your urs.

Speaker 3 (59:04):
Your family have that.

Speaker 1 (59:08):
Not that I'm aware, we don't really go as public
in the family chats as I would on the podcast
with a few thousand people, which is something I really
need to consider help the people, but first of all
that they're getting a good laugh out of the bands.
If what's the best medicine, Robbert, it won't be fairly.

Speaker 3 (59:36):
I haven't died of a bad hour, very.

Speaker 4 (59:40):
More fangs and cons I have.

Speaker 1 (59:42):
It's likely is going open up. But it's the only
thing laughing about.

Speaker 3 (59:51):
Yeah, play this.

Speaker 1 (59:52):
Somebody when I die from ask cancer? What am.

Speaker 3 (59:59):
You can you can just what you can do is
you can have the last laugh because when it starts
sacking them up, you can go right, I'm putting a
bag in their brother, we get all out and you go.

Speaker 1 (01:00:08):
Now there you go, no no complaining everything else or
put in like the J pod like up a bag
kind of putting you get like a cap calm street
fighter bag. You know that's too little to bag.

Speaker 3 (01:00:20):
I heard from a lad I know Lad Young had
Crowns disease and he was he had since he was
a child. Like yeah, but he had the foolish a
bang to talk.

Speaker 1 (01:00:31):
Out in the Crohn's family. But it's like.

Speaker 3 (01:00:34):
Yeahs to took out the goats right where he was
in his early twenties, which is quite young, really kind
of shitty, like no point intended took out the goats
put in the bag, and I was like, we went
out to say him after it was just done, and
we're all kind of like, fuck me, like it's a
fucking it's a very severe old thing like and we

(01:00:57):
went out to him and I was asking him. I
was like, well, like, how are you feeling, you know whatever?
He said actually to be honest, which I.

Speaker 1 (01:01:03):
Feel better because you're not having to digest in the
same way.

Speaker 3 (01:01:07):
Yeah, but it was like I don't I don't feel
like uncomfortable, I don't feel pain, I don't feel anything.
It was like, I just don't have to worry about
that anymore. It's gone gone.

Speaker 1 (01:01:16):
But the way they do the bag is very different, like.

Speaker 3 (01:01:18):
It's it's hanging up under three or.

Speaker 1 (01:01:22):
Something gives you like it's good to see you again.
That's fairly well kept in, like it's a weird thing,
and maybe we should all be at that.

Speaker 3 (01:01:31):
Maybe that's that cobbly like cyberpunk modifications. Get a ship
bag and and I.

Speaker 1 (01:01:37):
Think since you're able to do everything else in cyberpunk,
like choose to be circumcised or uncircumcised, it shouldn't let
you catheter or not.

Speaker 3 (01:01:47):
It's not sorry it's not it's a storm.

Speaker 1 (01:01:51):
Storm will have a song called storm.

Speaker 3 (01:02:00):
Yeah, yeah that's the one, and so yeah that'd be cool.
Actually not, it's that in Japan that had like storma
like change in area. Like yeah, yeah, the first time
I've ever saying something that was like so much in
the bag, I'm not surprises. Everything over there is salt.

Speaker 1 (01:02:15):
And fucking do you think there's a lot of that.
I thought they'd be healthy over.

Speaker 3 (01:02:20):
The like there's like very like I know, I know
it's eating now it's a bit inaccurate, but like if
you're eating out, it's like salt or fried or salt
like bronze and like ramen is not going to feel
like it looks hearty and it looks tasty, but it's
like just pure salt and like shite, that's great. Like

(01:02:42):
everything over this class like like that's.

Speaker 1 (01:02:45):
It as well, Like do you want to just eat
fucking google as like or would you rather lose your say,
enjoy your food?

Speaker 3 (01:02:53):
What would you rather?

Speaker 1 (01:02:54):
Because you can't have it all that you can choose.

Speaker 3 (01:02:57):
One or.

Speaker 1 (01:02:59):
Let's go to I like a bit of fiber as
much as the next man.

Speaker 3 (01:03:02):
But you don't. I try, I try to give you
a chase is over in Scotland and you were like
arsehol with.

Speaker 10 (01:03:10):
Me, you aren't having that, like because I was like,
look if you have that bit of parates and a
bit of chasas every morning, like but you're pissy about.

Speaker 1 (01:03:22):
So I think you're like, you're like one of these
lads are the cure is cheese. It's a it's an
ano mutal.

Speaker 3 (01:03:34):
We'll fix it man.

Speaker 10 (01:03:35):
Yeah, you know, you know I should I tell you
what ye.

Speaker 3 (01:03:40):
Going to the doctor?

Speaker 4 (01:03:42):
Do I put the in my How do I use
the chi?

Speaker 3 (01:03:46):
So you have a grand point, except you smokes that works.

Speaker 1 (01:03:51):
So cheer not so much. If she worked, then I'd
use chi. I do what works. There's only finite resources
of works. Fags cans suppository in that learned.

Speaker 3 (01:04:07):
A lot of their fox. Yeah, as I know. Was
my met that had the crowns. He had to get
the He lived on frozen pizzas.

Speaker 1 (01:04:14):
But I don't.

Speaker 3 (01:04:14):
I have a varied diet.

Speaker 1 (01:04:16):
I had a pack of snacks to sugar, sausages for breakfast.
Sausage for breakfast are good, and eggs omelets, a bit
of pudding eggs or notckles eggs very good. Telling you
there's something about them.

Speaker 3 (01:04:35):
There's something about them, their chickens and make them. I
don't know about chickens. Watch out about eggs. I think
big eggs, eggs and dairy. You know, I'm a bit
undefense about now.

Speaker 1 (01:04:46):
White chicken is good for you.

Speaker 3 (01:04:48):
Chicken meat.

Speaker 1 (01:04:48):
I like chicken eggs. The eggs becomes the meat if
you live there.

Speaker 3 (01:04:54):
That's what I like about. Yeah, that is.

Speaker 1 (01:05:00):
I like about eggs. They're interactive. You have to get
rid of the egg versatile as well, scramble oached. They're
a bit wrong eggs. When you eat the eggs the
way I make them, you'll consider everything you've ever said.

Speaker 3 (01:05:17):
Yeah, well, I think we should leave it there. I
think we probably should. Yeah, that one was It started nice,
and then we went down to your arse.

Speaker 1 (01:05:29):
You know, we're trying to We're talking about serious health
conditions that killed people. I'm dealing with one myself. Thankfully,
due to the majesty of cigarettes, alcohol, steroids, and sausages,
salty sausages, I've managed to overcome this for now. Let's
see what happens as the time goes on.

Speaker 3 (01:05:52):
I'm sure I'll come out with some kind of like suppository.
That's the sausage.

Speaker 1 (01:05:56):
I think. I think if I just put fags up
my if I smoke.

Speaker 3 (01:06:00):
Fags with like spade running cancer, it's like I'm just gonna.

Speaker 1 (01:06:05):
Put a full fag of my ours.

Speaker 3 (01:06:07):
I think, Well, that's like I wouldn't be surprised if
like a week later you have cancer like myself. For yourself,
it's like, I love the fag tomorrow. I said, that's
like you have cancer next week.

Speaker 1 (01:06:18):
Yeah, your body just absorbs the cigarette just to stick
up a pouch and doom a pouch and drum straight
up the Swann right in. Look, job

Speaker 3 (01:06:34):
Master is over now