Third Man Syndrome

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:01):
A cript, and this is a script. I want to
quick against my enemies.

Speaker 2 (00:09):
Yeah, you see you.

Speaker 1 (00:12):
Wanted to save you and then learn how to raise you.
But appleget you from the weld.

Speaker 3 (00:28):
Hello everyone, what is up?

Speaker 2 (00:29):
I'm rob.

Speaker 3 (00:30):
I amn't it is. I excited them very much.

Speaker 2 (00:36):
A fall of energy.

Speaker 3 (00:37):
I have so much energy.

Speaker 2 (00:38):
I just had a peanut butter and honey bagel.

Speaker 3 (00:41):
Peanut butter and honey is a nice combination. A lot
of people say peanut butter and jam, and I do
like that. But peanut butter and honey very good.

Speaker 2 (00:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (00:48):
I had a bit of peanut butter and honey earlier.

Speaker 2 (00:50):
Today.

Speaker 3 (00:50):
I used a lot of peanut butter honey. Sometimes I
just have a spoon of peanut butter and I skirted
a bit of honey on it and I just eat
it and it gives me energy.

Speaker 2 (00:58):
I haven't you know what I mean. We're of a
federally and we flock together when you think about it.
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Speaker 3 (02:01):
Yeah, look, you never know. That's very cool.

Speaker 2 (02:06):
So to show you that, that's the second time that's
happened actually where I've like listed out a bizarre place
on the podcast and I'm like shout out to whoever's
under like, yeah, that's me. So it's quite cool. It's
quite cool. Today's episode, Eman, what are we talking about?

Speaker 3 (02:24):
Third man syndrome?

Speaker 1 (02:27):
This is man and what is his syndrome.

Speaker 2 (02:30):
This is the culture.

Speaker 3 (02:31):
Yeah, this is the culture. It's yeah, it's you. You
said it. I went off and found out about it.
There's not a whole bunch of well, I'm sure there is,
like there's some theory behind it or whatever. But so
we just have a kind of a brief overview of
what it is, how it kind of got its name,
where it came from. And then we go into stories
from reddish no Quora stories, and then there was an

(02:56):
article for the last one which I believe did you
talk about the guy from nine to eleven? There's a
story third Man the third Man factor they call it
as well, it's not necessarily the third Man syndrome.

Speaker 2 (03:09):
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I heard this on the podcast before. It was kind
of annoying because he did it really slowly, but I
kind of thought it was cute because it was like
it was a bit personable.

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Well, you know what I mean, if you're done with
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There's someone in Bitchester by Chester. So yeah, that's that's
the as called Saxmundon where someone's listening Saxmundon.

Speaker 3 (04:34):
Yeah, what happens there right in from sax London?

Speaker 2 (04:39):
Yeah? Absolutely So Now without further a jew em tell
us what's going on here with this ship?

Speaker 3 (04:48):
What is it? It's it? What is it?

Speaker 2 (04:53):
I don't have no open yet, so I can't have it.

Speaker 3 (04:55):
That's all right, I'm gonna tell you what it is.
Rob The third man factor or the third person syndrome
refers to reported situations where a perceived unseen presence, such
as a spirus, provides comfort or support during a traumatic experience.
It is most commonly experienced by mountain climbers, solo sailors,

(05:17):
Shipwreck survivors, and polar explorers are also known to have
reported this phenomenon. Now, what I didn't know, Rob, was
the history behind it is about an irishman. You don't
know this, the Shackleton Saton himself. There you go, Sir
Ernest Shackleton. Should we do like it's not in our wheelhouse.
We can do whatever we want.

Speaker 2 (05:38):
We should talk about Shackleton.

Speaker 3 (05:40):
We're talking about Ston right now.

Speaker 2 (05:42):
Crackledon with the Shackleton.

Speaker 3 (05:43):
We do the Shackleton.

Speaker 2 (05:44):
Yeah, maybe he's seen the cracking. Maybe Shackleton has some
cool stories about cryptids that we don't know.

Speaker 3 (05:50):
Well, he certainly has stories about the third man factor.
This is the third back it comes from. It comes
from and you know T. S. Eliot then who wrote
The Wasteland, which was about Shackleton. And that's where it
all starts to. This is again just like Pulitzer Prize
winning not of course I mean, what more you want?

(06:10):
I went down to Wikipedia and I said, show me
now about this stuff, and Wikipedia did help me. The
rest is history, so Sir Ernest Chacklatin in his nineteen
nineteen book South this could be rather damn anywhere but wrong. Yeah.
They had some beautiful beautiful, wasn't it. They had some

(06:31):
some good songs. I remember being a kid and liked
them for English.

Speaker 2 (06:37):
You don't like it much English stuff I have.

Speaker 3 (06:42):
I have made a mistake and I will have to
renee on what my statement to you.

Speaker 2 (06:48):
That the fellow that Sacadi was he was in the
fucking band as well. I can't remember now yeah good.

Speaker 3 (06:54):
Yeah, yeah, No. They had some like there and there
was very kind of plaintive fun. What was her other
because rather than black, but there.

Speaker 4 (07:01):
Was a perfect different I love my body.

Speaker 3 (07:14):
Yeah. And she just looked like she was someone's man.
She looked like she was in there.

Speaker 2 (07:18):
She was ragging lesbian cup before lesbian coup was the thing.

Speaker 3 (07:20):
Actually she had she was she lesbian herself? Maybe not,
maybe she was. Can you take I mean, what how
much does a haircuts say about someone?

Speaker 2 (07:31):
A lot? Yeah, a lot?

Speaker 3 (07:32):
Sometimes a lot?

Speaker 2 (07:34):
I mean yeah, I mean haircuts can be everything. Look
at the Mohican punk Look. Yeah, look at long hair. Generally,
if you're doing long hair, you're a bit of a grunger,
you know what.

Speaker 3 (07:46):
I usually don't have long hair as a guy. And
then like usually it's not for no reason. I need this.
So when I move my head, it creates this wonderful
arc and they respect the music that I listened to.
I would say big part of the reason that so
many wrestlers have long hair is because drama. Drama exactly
when you take a punch or you do a movement,

(08:07):
it adds, you know, it's wonderful.

Speaker 2 (08:10):
A lot of acoustic people have blng hair because they
don't like people touching that.

Speaker 3 (08:15):
Really, I can't grow hair long. I could, but it
grows out and it's not cool. Grows out like a
black person that grows out like some sort of.

Speaker 2 (08:24):
Strange Yeah you get the jew fra.

Speaker 3 (08:26):
Yeah, but it's not even cool. Like I could maybe
try permit or something like that. It does even at that,
like it just it gets unwieldly.

Speaker 2 (08:34):
Yeah, no, you need to text.

Speaker 3 (08:37):
I'm not the kind of man that straightens his hairs.
You know. Sometimes I'd be like Jim McDonald out there
drinking whiskey. I can't be straightening the hair like fuck off.
Whether I talked about fucking, I'm talking about Shackleton. Shackleton
in his nineteen nineteen South which led us on a

(08:59):
small you went after like a dog, little off the
lead by I bolted. It's like that good joke. I
got a dog from a blacksmith. First thing it was
make a bolt for the door. That's a great pun joke,
pun joke. So he described his belief that an incorporeal

(09:23):
companion joined him and his men during the final leg
of his nineteen fourteen to nineteen seventeen Antarctic expedition, so
they became stranded in pack ice for more than two
years and enjured immense hardships in the attempts to reach safety.
Shackleton wrote, during that long and racing march of thirty

(09:44):
six hours over the unnamed mountains and glaciers of South Georgia,
it seemed to me often that we were four, not three.
His admission resulted in another survivors of extreme hardship coming
forward and sharing similar experiences lines three hundred and fifty
nine through to three hundred and sixty five of ts

(10:06):
Eliot's nineteen twenty two modernist poem The Wasteland were inspired
by Shackleton's experience. As stated by the author, you know
that were included with his work. It is the reference
to the third in this poem that has given this
phenomenon its name.

Speaker 2 (10:24):
So there you go, yeah, the third So yeah, I
mean generally, what I've heard about this wholting is like
it's it's more than just, or at least that the
pairs to be more than just. You know, you're in
her monologue, you're in her dialogue, that you're like your
your chatter. It's more of a because I think everyone

(10:45):
kind of experiences that, except for them psycles who can't
visualize anything when they read. They probably don't fucking visualize
anything just on paper. Yeah, they would have one man
syndrome or something like this as that.

Speaker 3 (10:57):
Why is it called third man syndrome if you're by yourself?

Speaker 2 (11:00):
Is it the third person? Maybe like them like the view? Yeah,
maybe it's like out away from it. I'm not quite
sure about that. It's interesting, but it's more like it
feels divine is the wrong word, but it feels important.
It feels I don't have the right word for it,
but like separate to it's.

Speaker 3 (11:21):
It's funny because we go into like eight different stories,
very small sort of stories by people who've experienced it,
and there's there's quite a big degree of separation between
kind of some people. I had to take it out.
They were just reporting kind of seeing ghosts. So I
tried to get away from that because I think that
was just a miscommunication of of what we were actually

(11:42):
trying to cover.

Speaker 2 (11:44):
A gray Man who like, you know, you wrapped a
gray Man in with a bit of the Third Man
and then you's going on the third that's the one
that's gone viral. Gray Man at the minute really videos
on like TikTok or something seeing some guys because people
we capture really well. On a mountain top it has
like two million fucking like people were viewing the ship

(12:05):
out of it, and I was.

Speaker 3 (12:06):
Like, we did an that is it still or is
it a movie video? And it's because of the way
it's the illusion of his shadow or whatever. That's pretty cool.

Speaker 2 (12:15):
It was exactly it's a really well captured video of
what we were talking about.

Speaker 3 (12:21):
That's good. You must you must put me onto that.
And so how does t s Elliott's poem go. He says,
who is.

Speaker 5 (12:28):
The third who walks always beside you? When I count,
there are only you and I together. But when I
look ahead up the white road, there is another one
walking beside you, gliding wrapped in a brown mantle hooded.
I do not know whether a man or a woman.
But who is that on the other side of you?

Speaker 2 (12:50):
Right? So is he's just describing three people? And that's
it's called that because this was where it was first described.

Speaker 3 (12:56):
I think that's where it's where it's coming from. And
I think this was is this is inspired by Shackleton's experience.
So I suppose there's two lads. And I've never read
The Wasteland, but I was in college. My professor once
told me. He said, I used to be so pretentious
that if someone hadn't read The Wasteland, I didn't think
there was any point in talking to them. And I

(13:18):
laughed and he we both laughed, and I said, so
I haven't read it, so I don't know if I
did read or I might have read it. I don't know.
I read so many poems when I was in college, man,
because that was what I had to do. I had
to read I had to read Sorry I mispronounced the poems.
I had to read Bob Dylan's ballads and write papers on.

Speaker 1 (13:42):
A random ass.

Speaker 2 (13:43):
And yeah, Bob Didn's pledgedarized folk stories at fox Sonds,
let's read them. Sure, Yeah, go back further.

Speaker 3 (13:51):
I had poetry poortry anthologies that were so large and
books bound together that the pages were like tracing paper,
like because they had to obviously sell it and it
had to be a certain But yeah, I have loads
of stuff up in an attic.

Speaker 2 (14:08):
In our country is just garboroughfare but advances. Look, man,
we learned that on this podcast by actually so then
I murder by the way he took a lot of
folk songs and fucking put his own name to him,
shut down wonder folk. That would be like and you
reading like fuckings, fables and master we came.

Speaker 3 (14:28):
Up with them. Yeah, he's like Vince McMahon. He wasn't
like to go into the territories, but he did. You know,
these men, these revolutionary, these great great men.

Speaker 2 (14:39):
Is a mystery to me, as is Bruce Springsteen. But
then again, I'm not a pensioner, so like you know
what I mean, maybe maybe when.

Speaker 3 (14:45):
I guard Brooks like I don't. Actually I've never met
when to guard Brooks.

Speaker 2 (14:49):
When I do me hipping, it might come to me
like in the hospital after a hip sucking, you get
a hYP.

Speaker 3 (15:00):
And then questions will be asked. It is a weird
one though, Like I've met loads of people who like
Bob Dylan to be fair, like my dad's one of them.
But I've never actually met anyone who likes Scart Brooks.
And yet is it just.

Speaker 2 (15:13):
Because people are like I like pleasure?

Speaker 3 (15:16):
Like what was he called when he had all the
black hair? Chris Chris Gaynes? He didn't gain my respect.
In recent years, well known adventures like Reinhold Messner and
Polar explorers Peter Hillary and Anne Bancroft have reported experiencing
the phenomenon. One study of cases involving adventures reported that

(15:37):
the largest group involved climbers and also solo sailors. Ship
Wreck survivors are the second most common group, who are
thirdly followed by polar explorers. A similar experience was documented
by mountain climber Joe Simpson in his nineteen eighty eight
book Touching the Void, which is a movie as well,
I believe, which recounts his near death experience in the

(15:59):
Peruvian Andes.

Speaker 2 (16:00):
If that was my film will be called touching the cloth,
because that's what I'll be doing on yourself. I'd be
letting up on that mountain.

Speaker 3 (16:06):
Absolutely, a hard voice would be heart letting touching the cloth.
And now for our premier of touching the cloth, we should.

Speaker 2 (16:16):
Make like to the cloth.

Speaker 3 (16:17):
It's a bit late, isn't it nineteen eighty eight to
do a spoof on a movie about.

Speaker 2 (16:21):
I was born?

Speaker 3 (16:22):
Yeah, dear o Lord, dear Lord, they're all all the
years of our lord magically know Dominie.

Speaker 2 (16:29):
You're the dragon if you want to get Chinese? Yeah,
kill that. Yeah, I know a yeah, I look like
a dragon. I do.

Speaker 3 (16:42):
It's like when children are paying I'm a dragon.

Speaker 2 (16:44):
No, you are right, dragon, I am the dragon. What's
the you are? Rat?

Speaker 3 (16:49):
I am the rat, the rat king.

Speaker 2 (16:52):
You'd be fucking g pingings or you won't know if
you try to deny that.

Speaker 3 (16:56):
He's probably your rat as well.

Speaker 2 (16:58):
Well, yeah, we'll find out what's.

Speaker 3 (17:00):
The Chinese word for dragon, because in Japanese Rue Reu
his dragon, isn't it? Ah?

Speaker 6 (17:08):
Is that?

Speaker 3 (17:08):
I think that's a show that you ken.

Speaker 2 (17:11):
Born and his symbol he is born Japing fifty three.
You would keep talking. I gona find out about.

Speaker 3 (17:23):
He's going to be over us all soon. Simpson describes
a voice which encouraged him and directed him as he
crawled back to base camp after suffering a horrible leg
injury high on seou La Grande, falling off a cliff
and into the crevass. It was the air of the snake.
What does that mean? Nothing in this town but rats
and snakes and dragons. Allegedly, some journalists have related this

(17:49):
to the concept of a guardian angel or an imaginary friend.

Speaker 1 (17:54):
Robert out step there.

Speaker 3 (17:55):
Robert never had an imaginary friends. No one neither did
I Jack. I never had an imaginary friend. I had
this cool dragon that was born in nineteen eighty eight
that you sang around with me, tell me cool things. No,
I never had an imaginary friend. I tried to make
houses for people though, that's right, Like I would try

(18:18):
to make forts, and oh yeah, he would show oh
god cha. And I went to see Hook and I
had a crush on tinker Bell, and I hope that
if I made the house, tinker Bell would like hang
around with me and all.

Speaker 2 (18:28):
I had no quarry about the backgyard. I used to
be pissing it. I was trying to make some kind
of bio weapon out of it.

Speaker 3 (18:34):
So I started a mutant fish. That's why I believe
that happened. In one of the Marville comics, there's a
fish that was in a garden and kept fish. It
became a mutant fish that joined the X Men.

Speaker 2 (18:47):
Fish.

Speaker 3 (18:47):
Oh no, it's the slimy salmmon.

Speaker 7 (18:49):
No.

Speaker 2 (18:50):
No, I think I was probably about and I thought
it was a conjured or something else. Maybe if I
drink this, I was probably some somehow of a protasstparmist. Yeah,
trying to figure stuff out. Yeah, this is a weird one.

Speaker 3 (19:07):
As a child, you know, you only understand your own piece.

Speaker 2 (19:10):
Why is it so warm?

Speaker 3 (19:12):
You think to yourself, you don't know, it doesn't make sense.
You think, why why is it the color of this piss,
the way that it is? What is happening with my body?

Speaker 2 (19:23):
So we're to some many life stories.

Speaker 3 (19:25):
Yeah, we're nearly there. You're running ahead off like when
you used to an aquarium. I thought you were sorry.

Speaker 2 (19:35):
No, nearly there.

Speaker 3 (19:37):
Some journalists have related this to being sorry.

Speaker 2 (19:40):
Read that bit.

Speaker 1 (19:44):
Like it's.

Speaker 3 (19:46):
Where you he gives the mind from rounds, never mind
your hear all along scientific explanations consider the phenomenon a
coping mechanism or an example of why come I aerial mentality?
Which I think do you have when you think in
your own mind? Robert, do you ever think that you're

(20:07):
talking to someone who isn't you? No? I do, Like
do I question my inner man?

Speaker 2 (20:15):
Like maybe you have to say we.

Speaker 3 (20:17):
Have to come on, we have to go and do
this now. I do that a lot because I know
there are multitudes inside me.

Speaker 2 (20:25):
The multiversalut. Have you heard of Walt Whitman, Yeah, I
have that.

Speaker 3 (20:31):
I thought that was one of his lines. There are
multitudes exist inside.

Speaker 2 (20:35):
No, I think no.

Speaker 3 (20:38):
I might say something like rob like one like if
you're pushing myself today something, but like I would saying
you have to just may Yeah, but then there is
a week as you're saying it to yourself. Yeah, who's
saying it? Maybe it's scary now it's not scary. No,
it's a it's an interesting thing. I remember getting back
to my when I learned the English part rude oute

(21:02):
scholistic studies, where it was like I think it was
Catherine Mansfield stories. But the idea is that many, many,
many personalities exist inside you.

Speaker 8 (21:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (21:15):
This is back when I used to smoke fire too much,
so bad, and I stayed up one night trying to
fragment them, list them, and sure enough there was many.
And actually there's a therapy called self therapy or interfamilial systems,
which says that you have like loads and loads of
different sub personalities inside you. See, I would just feel

(21:36):
that as like you're just a yeah, you're just changing. Yeah,
it's little, yeah.

Speaker 2 (21:42):
That like you're not even switching, you're willfully altering.

Speaker 3 (21:46):
You're I don't know if you're willfully doing it. I
think I think you might be. You have parts so
that the theory of this is like your mind splits
every time you experience a trauma, and so when you're
a small kid, like traumatic things can.

Speaker 2 (21:59):
Be just like I must be a prismatic.

Speaker 3 (22:02):
This is what I mean. You're like a fucking Jesus Christ.

Speaker 2 (22:05):
That frag when it makes sense, actually said like that.

Speaker 3 (22:08):
You're like the start of the deserves on the windows.
So this is so it is curious when you actually
sit down and try to kind of now it's all
very abstract. I don't know that they actually exist. As things,
but they're amorphous and so there's different parts of that
respond and rise to the surface when you get like

(22:30):
triggered by various things, so a sub personality will take
over because something's happened.

Speaker 2 (22:37):
I actually watched a video with the Sauce and.

Speaker 3 (22:42):
This is science Jesus, Jesus, I forgot the name the
idist oh Damien Fella and Alex Yeah.

Speaker 2 (22:55):
Watching the Sauce and Alex saw my brain that was
just actually too powerful to even community. I can't even
talk this podcast. It was just too intelligent.

Speaker 3 (23:07):
Alex was like, I'm an atheist, but actually, do you
know what it was?

Speaker 2 (23:11):
Though? What I thought was quite entertaining about it was
that like the Air two kinds of books, Marredy, you know,
nerdy mail workers or whatever. But like their Patner, what
they're talking about is literally the stuff that we talk about,
albeit not as eloquently less worthy. So it's funny how
like the same questions, the same resolutions that are coming
to all the time. When they were talking about space

(23:33):
and consciousness and all that stuff, it all was really
like our sort of we can't put it across as well,
but they but but it was the same.

Speaker 3 (23:43):
It was the same idea because there's no answers.

Speaker 2 (23:45):
No that well, that's exactly the conclusion that they were
come to. So I thought that that was funny. But yeah,
I thought that that was funny. I'm like, isn't that
hilarious that, like, these guys have millions of sobs for
being that kind of person.

Speaker 3 (23:57):
But I think the answer being able to articulate yourself.
I find that sometimes started. My name is Alex O'Connor.
I actually in Cambridge. I probably completed both of them. Actually, actually,
I think I want to find him celebrity box. You know, no,
you're calling it babas. Stop calling out celebrities on this book.

Speaker 2 (24:17):
Alex O'Connor's celebrity.

Speaker 3 (24:18):
But I don't want to be involved in this.

Speaker 2 (24:20):
Winner fucking takes Jesus, Winner takes. When Winner gets baptized again.

Speaker 3 (24:25):
Again, did you get baptized? In the first goes on?

Speaker 2 (24:28):
Brother Richard is the guest referee.

Speaker 3 (24:30):
I think he's gonna want to be involved in any
of this.

Speaker 2 (24:34):
I got Stone calls honored by Alex O'Connor and then
and then brother Helone.

Speaker 3 (24:38):
Alex he's just getting getting opened by Alex O'Connor.

Speaker 2 (24:43):
Brother Richard will.

Speaker 1 (24:45):
You won't think about fisticuffs.

Speaker 2 (24:47):
With me so soon now, mister Billington, No, Alex, please
leave me be brother Richards chair.

Speaker 1 (24:57):
Brother, what's what? What in God's name of your doing? Richard?

Speaker 3 (25:00):
What in God?

Speaker 1 (25:04):
Where do you learn to fall?

Speaker 3 (25:06):
The snake?

Speaker 6 (25:07):
Raptorly and Richard are just giving a chair? Ye have
a duster in your jocks. Hit the chair off the
ground and drow that ax.

Speaker 3 (25:19):
Just drop.

Speaker 2 (25:22):
We need not to happen.

Speaker 9 (25:23):
So why you're doing your sex on a bitch? He's
having the chair? Where do you learn to fall off
a as God is my witness, he's broken in half.

Speaker 2 (25:35):
He's dragging him to the river. Baptizing No, no, that
would be great. Baptism match baptism of fire. We have
to get through the rings on fires. To get through
ring and then baptize them.

Speaker 3 (25:49):
Outside of the baptism, they've actually done all the other
stuff there that you're talking about. They're probably don't have baptism.
They're probably don't baptism.

Speaker 1 (25:57):
Once he gets baptized, he's gonna have to go to
half it no matter what. He does.

Speaker 3 (26:01):
Not like this.

Speaker 2 (26:03):
Class will want to set that up. I think yeah,
so that up in the tree here, I.

Speaker 3 (26:09):
Just can I just pretend to be Jim Bras.

Speaker 1 (26:13):
Do that, Jesus, I.

Speaker 2 (26:22):
Wear a single and I'll be like.

Speaker 1 (26:23):
Well, shot on my ass, you just fell off the ring.

Speaker 2 (26:26):
It will be like the absent undertaking or light squaff.
It'll be like all the lights brightened and there's like
just like also I gets lowered down.

Speaker 3 (26:40):
You have all those really stuck people. Can set that up.

Speaker 2 (26:44):
I DM everyone d M Alex o'connord him. I want
to fight him, Robert, Robert. We've got to set up though,
we got to set up this song.

Speaker 8 (27:01):
Yes, Alex's house, You've got to set up no brother
Alex a o c yeah, her as well.

Speaker 2 (27:19):
Versus candasng.

Speaker 1 (27:27):
Candas oe.

Speaker 3 (27:28):
So there we go, Jesus.

Speaker 1 (27:30):
Christ, I feel really good about this.

Speaker 3 (27:32):
Wrong we creep class my turn Antonio Oscar versus Margery
tailor green in Brand.

Speaker 2 (27:51):
Really policies.

Speaker 3 (27:53):
Know we're not sorry, and we'll do it again.

Speaker 2 (27:57):
When I was young, around nine years old, I had
to have pretty major surgeries for a birth defect. I
was feeling sick, pain and frustrated who not being able
to sleep or get out of bed. When I rang
the bell for the night, neerss to help me to
the toilet. A smiling man dressed in all white would
come in straight away and help me. He was so

(28:18):
happy and peaceful, with the biggest smile and a bright
aura to him. He always came straight to me as
soon as the bell rang. The next day, after the
second night of his help, I asked another nurse if
he would be on juty that night. The staff were
very confused, even after my description of him. She told
me there weren't any male staffers on duty those passed

(28:41):
two nights, and none of the porters or other staff
were all white.

Speaker 3 (28:46):
Or would have been answering bells on the ward.

Speaker 2 (28:48):
So that's kind of a nice, little localized sort of
helper for a more sort of mundane task. Do you
know that.

Speaker 3 (28:56):
Everlast popular musician who used to be in there with
Irish roots? He he you know that's that song monster,
you know by All You Children? And then Santana's Are
Like that song was about I believe a nurse that
was looking after him when he was in the hospital,
and she was never there, like it's all it's a

(29:17):
third person factor. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (29:20):
Interesting, Yeah, I don't know whether I've ever had that experience.
I'm trying to go over it, and no, I never have. No,
I don't think I've been in precarious positions like that
were it would warrant it to come to me.

Speaker 3 (29:32):
When I broke my arm as a young boy and
I had to spend the night down in ard Keene
and Waterford because they don't set bones and Exford and
I just couldn't sleep all night. And this wasn't a
spooky sorry, but the nurse there and I still remember name,
her name was Lisa, and she was like really really sound.
I don't know as I was. I was a small boy,
so I didn't really I didn't have these terrible feelings

(29:55):
that Alex O'Connor will denounce as he becomes Roman Catholic.
But she was super nice. She let me stay up
and play on the computer and I was just hanging
out with the nurses. Very nice, and she was like
she was Waterford. Now go on, right, Lisa is a
is A is a wonderful woman. And I wrote down
Lisa is a dinosaur and it was like the black

(30:16):
screens with the green writing, like alien. But she was
very kind to me, and it's funny. I couldn't if
I had seen her. Now I wouldn't be able to
say what she looked like. But I still remember. Good
boats is what they say. Excuse me, good buzz No,
I'm trying to tell a wholesome story here, Robert, Thank
you very much.

Speaker 2 (30:32):
Robert.

Speaker 1 (30:33):
He's got he's got a mount of snakes and a
tallis silver. He's a terrible man. He's ruining my story.
My heartfelt a whole from the story.

Speaker 3 (30:43):
She's just really nice.

Speaker 2 (30:44):
But I like, what does it?

Speaker 3 (30:46):
They say, it's not about what people say to you,
but how they make you feel.

Speaker 2 (30:53):
I said, I met a lot of people annoyed when
I called out Bob earlier, which is good.

Speaker 3 (30:58):
You're happy that I am.

Speaker 2 (31:01):
Also, I have had a third man actually okay, And
you know when it comes out for me where.

Speaker 3 (31:06):
I'm rat horestrunk. Oh, he's like to get.

Speaker 2 (31:10):
You, to get you a fucking compassment, Like you need
to get a compassment this you.

Speaker 3 (31:14):
Just hear someone coming behind you, Robert, you're acting like
a more.

Speaker 2 (31:17):
When I was in Sweden, I remember after like playing
things and drinking the bones of a bottle of rum,
and like an hour and a half before we went
to a parody, I went into the bathroom and I
was looking in the mirror, and the third voice came
in and was like, brother, you are a long wise
from home and very very rat Hurst and it's not
on outside you know anyone here, So keep your wits

(31:41):
about your brother. And I did, and I drank loads
of drink after that too, so I kind of abused.
It was like, keep your wits about it, not imbused
with power. It's like white Russians hopping off through the ring. Robertsass, No,
it's good. Yeah, it's a drink. Dog brings it out
with me, But I don't think it's a profound as well.
It's been described there, but.

Speaker 3 (32:02):
No seeing a person that to the toilet now, sometimes
you do feel like you're the third man helping yourself
to the toilet when you're hammered. Every when you're lying
in bed and everything's spinning and need to take a
pace to go, just leave it, or just I'll get
an erection so powerful that it will stop any urine.
I've never actually paste the bed though drinking. No, No,

(32:23):
I've never done that, and I hope never to do that.

Speaker 2 (32:26):
The last couple of times is before I had the
sapath machine now, and I was getting drunk. My sleep,
my sleep bizarreness was getting worse. Like I was getting
up in the middle, Like I was getting up and
walking like which I had never done before. So I
was definitely becoming more volatile. Yeah, Like I did around
the house like totally asleep.

Speaker 3 (32:47):
So like like I were full of drink and then
full of not oxygen.

Speaker 2 (32:52):
Drink, got up, got up, got out of bed, keme
in here. I think I might have turned the light
on in hair and just kind of looked around like
a zombie. Went downstairs, went opened the kitchen door, walked
out into the kitchen just kind of and then back up. Yeah,
and tell you about it the next day. Yeah, And
then I kind of half remembered that. I was like, yeah,
it was like little flickers of like.

Speaker 3 (33:14):
Oh yeah, someone said that to me before when I
shared the room in college the first year. He was
saying to me like it was like, you were like
walking around the room last night, are you asleep?

Speaker 9 (33:28):
Take the time.

Speaker 1 (33:31):
Tickele's running.

Speaker 3 (33:36):
But yeah, But then Paula said, would they I was.
She came. I was in the spare room going through
my wallace, saying that I had to get a credit
card to pay for the flights and she was like,
come to bed, your maniac.

Speaker 2 (33:48):
Yeah, no, that's I've had. I think I've had two
and m before I went down the sea, pap and
the has been just a game changer.

Speaker 1 (33:55):
That's it.

Speaker 3 (33:56):
That's a fugue state, isn't it what they call it?
Fugate when like you're not in control, because like I
don't remember that. Like suppose you're gonna have lizard brain, yes,
but suppose like you were just like, oh, someone in
the house is trying to get me, not if I
get them first, Like you would have no real What
if you just fall down the stairs? Yeah, that's pretty bad.

Speaker 2 (34:15):
Like what if you just wake up stairs and broken
limbs You're like you're nude and drunk, Like you'd be
like what just happened? Imagine how confused.

Speaker 3 (34:30):
As you start to piss off a fox sake.

Speaker 2 (34:33):
But like my dad was saying, like he used to sleep,
he go downstairs and he'd put on like a record
and like sit there and listen to the full record
of a sleep like all automatic, and like me, Granny
used to go down and find them and be like
go to bed, maybe just sitting there sleep with the
record on. Yeah, it's really weird because it's like the
whole lizard brain ship and it is a fugue stage.

(34:55):
You're like, but sep ladies and gentlemen, if you have
any sleep elements, it.

Speaker 3 (35:00):
Could it be like because I'm thinking maybe that happened
if I'd be hammered drunk, because maybe I'm not breathing properly.

Speaker 2 (35:05):
Yeah, it could be because to drink those affect your
oxygen saturation and stuff like that.

Speaker 3 (35:10):
So Hoff's waking dream.

Speaker 1 (35:15):
A lot of crypt, a lot of crypt.

Speaker 3 (35:23):
So rather another story oming here. Yes, I once fell
about ten feet from a ledge overlooking a lake. The
ledge was above large rocks, and as I fell, I
was sure I was about to be gravely hurt. Suddenly
I felt a large hand on my back that caused
me to be pushed against the wall. Surprised, I turned
around to thank my savior.

Speaker 2 (35:43):
But no one was there.

Speaker 3 (35:44):
I was dangling over the rocks, feeling the hand as
it pushed me straight against the wall until both my
feet were secured. I cannot explain what happened that day,
but I know that there was someone or something there
that saved me.

Speaker 2 (35:58):
M do you ever feel like that there's something trying
to save you something you don't feel like. Sometimes that
like chance or something like that has your back, like that,
you're there's a little bit of a buffer around.

Speaker 3 (36:13):
I feel like kind of I feel a a buffer
the times. Yeah, I feel like I'm gonna be okay,
I don't feel a bit like that, but until I'm not. Yeah,
someday I'm not.

Speaker 2 (36:23):
But that's how But that is the truth.

Speaker 3 (36:25):
What if imagine we're the first two guys that like,
never die. We just we just have to do forever suck.

Speaker 2 (36:37):
But that's the the actual Like I thought that as well.
And then like a recent example would be I had
a fucking sist burst in my head and I was like,
this is absolutely awful.

Speaker 3 (36:51):
Protect you, I guess in a sense, No, I think
you feel protected until something bad happens.

Speaker 2 (36:56):
Yeah, and then you're like, oh, well, I'm max surely vulnerable.

Speaker 3 (36:59):
I'm literally made out of meat riddle.

Speaker 2 (37:03):
Mangled in the car. You're like, oh, yeah, actually, now
I feel very bad. Yeah, You're like, I.

Speaker 3 (37:08):
Knew things, something was always protecting me. Victrove directly into the.

Speaker 2 (37:13):
Exactly, so it's all out your hands. But there's this
kind of little e whole thing where it's like, oh no,
you you have a bit of a buffer on you there.

Speaker 3 (37:21):
I think you're supposed to feel that.

Speaker 2 (37:24):
Yeah, when I was when I was younger, I was like, remember,
we're getting into the healthy territory, like where it's like
you're like there's a balance. If you're too shitty, you'll
do not because you're like, I can hurt myself. I'm anxious, anxious,
you're likely to adventures, you're break yourself.

Speaker 3 (37:40):
Yeah, but still this the waves have never consumed me.
Maybe Actually that was a bit of a third person
thing when I was nearly drowning that time, Andy, and
then I just arrived on a rock when there was
nothing around me for ages, and then all of a
sudden I was just moored or beach rather. So maybe
maybe maybe the gods saw me. And he just said,

(38:01):
someday someone's going to want to listen about Rob Billington
and Alex O'Connor fighting each other in a professionally wrestling
styled match. Yeah, it's not your time. But now that
I've said that, maybe it's gone Now He's like, yeah,
that's gone there, so you can tell you whatever.

Speaker 2 (38:16):
Yeah, you're gonna get mangled now after.

Speaker 3 (38:17):
This driving home. Yeah, it'd be cool. Look for because
I drive home, take the short cut. Maybe just getting
dalked by aliens or something.

Speaker 2 (38:24):
Mangled, I have plenty of stories for you. Next for
next Monday, then mangled outside driver mates. Twice in my twenties,
I fell asleep while driving out of the highway speak
of the Devil. Just in the nick of time, A
voice from my back seat said my name in a
very commanding tone, waking me up so that I could
hit the brakes. I'm still very much alive at seventy

(38:45):
six years old, and I figure someone up there likes me.
I'm always conflicted about that whole idea, because unless we
address the question of why are there so many people
needlessly suffer in the world, and yet someone up there
likes you, I kind of feel like it's trivial and

(39:06):
almost silly, because you're like, if we do like we
we had the sort of expert philosophical question a couple
of weeks back there where we said that you would
come back encarnat with no mickey for your sins, Like,
if that was a real thing, then that would kind
of answer the question. You would go, oh, maybe those
that are sick or have some mad crippled shit or something.

(39:27):
Maybe they're a toning for.

Speaker 3 (39:28):
Something, right, you know it's in the football manager get
fired for saying just that. Well there's some football manager
years ago he believed that like people who came back
and they were handicapped in somewhere because they had done
something in a past life, which again, look it could
be true, but you can't go on saying it. Believe
in it.

Speaker 2 (39:49):
Yeah it was that.

Speaker 3 (39:49):
We have no evidence to suggest.

Speaker 2 (39:51):
No, but it's just but it's just an idea, like
what if what if that was the case.

Speaker 3 (39:55):
I think that I think the way we interpret caram
in terms of good and bad, like karma, is more
like cause and effect. So this kramera carries over to you,
but it's really more of a cause and effect thing
rather than you will get bad stuff happening to you,
but it will full of like a butterfly wing, it
will be the full cycle.

Speaker 2 (40:14):
I'm not even talking about karma. I know that the
concept is similar to karma. I'm just talking about what
if that is the crack When you get up to
the parly gets you're like, have a few cents, your
XP is not great. You may go back up one,
make it your one leg one nor makeer your one
leg or something, and that's your that's your crack. Like
that's literally all I'm saying. Yeah, well, look it's possible.

(40:35):
It's not even so much a karma thing, like I
suppose it does tie into Kramra, but it would it's
more a.

Speaker 3 (40:40):
Roman Catholic version if yeah, like yeah, I mean I
don't know, it's just the only way that you can imagine,
because that's like that would answer why like you know things, Well,
part of it might be because if we're all one,
then even though we feel separation, there is no separation.

(41:03):
So if you're born and you'd die you like a
minute later, yeah, that is weird. The same thing in
the universal experience and that so and then when I
think there's a nice idea of like when we do die,
you can you're if you're at one with everything, then
like you know, there's no real you can understand it all. Yeah,

(41:23):
pretty much live stream like Budhi final fantasy philosophy for.

Speaker 2 (41:29):
This final fantasy hybrid.

Speaker 3 (41:30):
I think that fantasy sort of made Buddhism cool. When
my husband was in his twenties, he fell asleep while
driving and crashed into a telephone pole, so no one
was looking after him that day. He was hurt, and
remember the teenage kid knocking on his window and telling
him he called the police and not to get out

(41:51):
of the car because there were many live wires everywhere.
When my husband was finally rescued, there was no sign
of the kid. The police said that no one had
called them. They just came because the power was out.
Not only that, but they said there was no way
anyone could have gotten close to the car on account
of the wires, and if my husband had tried to
get out of the car, they probably would have killed him.

(42:12):
My husband so vividly remembers the kid. He believes he
was real, but his mom believes it was his guardian angel.
Remember when I said I'd electrocute to them, forget that,
I take it back. I was just a stupid kid
back then.

Speaker 2 (42:29):
There you go.

Speaker 3 (42:31):
From back in the day. Yeah, remember when.

Speaker 2 (42:37):
Good song and I kind of saying that the mocking
That's that's how he sounded disrespectful.

Speaker 3 (42:43):
Horn. But that's the way I say, your head, you're
mocking him by doing the exact.

Speaker 2 (42:56):
Face, my face as your face when you're up to
fucking all go there.

Speaker 3 (43:03):
I'm only ever up tickled.

Speaker 2 (43:05):
I got your disrespectful, my private And there's the thing
where the outside of his eyebrows kind of furrow when
he's getting disrespectful.

Speaker 3 (43:16):
Yeahs turned like a cat, and my tone of forks like.

Speaker 1 (43:24):
My private.

Speaker 2 (43:29):
Fucking bastard. Its just hats pop punk.

Speaker 3 (43:32):
He hates English musicians American punk. But let me finish.

Speaker 2 (43:39):
What about like punk? Like ransom, no.

Speaker 3 (43:45):
Going wrong?

Speaker 2 (43:47):
Listen to them strong?

Speaker 3 (43:49):
How could anybody listen to damn guns?

Speaker 2 (43:53):
What is going on there? Yeah? You don't. I don't
like them transfer.

Speaker 3 (43:57):
I don't really like punk. No, I like fugazi proper punk, like.

Speaker 1 (44:06):
How word out word out word that word and.

Speaker 10 (44:08):
That's what it's called waiting room. Yeah, good attempt, good effort.
Rabert lo shit, not my stories about my dads. He
was alone skippering a boat somewhere off the English cost
back in the fifties, ran into a tarrible storm, got

(44:30):
knocked over onto the ground, and couldn't get up to
stare the boat.

Speaker 2 (44:35):
He said. Two men appeared and steered the boat for
him and occasionally spoke to him to say he'd be okay.
He couldn't figure out how they got on the boat
in the middle of the storm. He saw them and
heard them clearly. Early the next morning he woke up
the voices, but this time it was a cost Guard
vessel that had come by his boat. They were amazed.
He was alive. He was alone, too injured, He was

(44:57):
too injured to stare, and based on his last reported position,
shouldn't be where they found them. He had in fact
been reported on the radio was missing, presumed dad. He
wondered if he had run into a couple of guardians angels.
Now I've been into a bit of maritime tragedy lately,
actually as it happens, and there was I was reading
a story about the boat sailing from Talent in Estonia,

(45:21):
I think over Tider Finland or Sweden. And it was
a ferry, so the ferry run between the two countries,
but like fairly long ferry, but like it had like
overnight beds, and it had like a couple of bars,
restaurants and all that stuff. But the middle of the
night on Monsie, I don't think the fucking ferry. The
carr ferry door on the boat failed and it sank,

(45:44):
and I think like most on board died but fairly
grand story because like it was like such a ferry
that there was like bands playing on it and everything. Cruise, yeah,
like a small they suppose, like a small cruise verry anything,
I suppose, but yeah, that.

Speaker 3 (46:01):
Must be such a terrifying thing, like the middle of
the ocean.

Speaker 2 (46:04):
Awful, just awful, and like as well when the vocals
fucking topsy turvy, like stairs inverted and stuff, so you're
trying to get up like inverted the stairs and all.

Speaker 3 (46:14):
The water you don't know which ways up which ways.

Speaker 2 (46:18):
Just awful when there's I can't remember the name of
that boat, but if you search like Estonian very disaster,
you'll get it. But there's a really detailed story written
by some journal or some website where it goes through
the whole thing play by play. It's a fairly long read,
but like you get like controlled when you're reading it
because it's a really good kind of depiction of what happened.

(46:41):
But like most people died, like everyone's getting mangled when
the ball like the shift lets one ladd that like
his mag unmangled and she couldn't continue, and she told
him to leave, and he went and he managed to
get out and stuff, but like you're reading about it
and you're.

Speaker 3 (46:58):
Like just even like you know, when you're underwater holding
your breath and like you can feel it going Like even,
I think what that sense I shouldn't be.

Speaker 2 (47:09):
Like because I can't swim, might probably just throw myself
in and just in hell, just GoF.

Speaker 3 (47:14):
And you see you're still year Yeah true, yeah, I know.
I used to try doing the old VIM half breathing.
So I go swimming around doing the VIM half have
a deep breath, you masturbate and then you have a
deep breath, and it means you can hold your breath
for way longer. You hold your breath while be masterbased.

(47:34):
That's sort of auto asphyxiation, Michael half, You don't. You
don't choke yourself with the belt though, until you die.
Just breath is breathing. Nobody used to like I was,
because you can hold your breath way longer if you
use the VIM half minute. So like I got up
to like four minutes fifteen seconds, and then I try

(47:54):
Phelps Michael Phelps, Fred Felts swimmers are gay or whatever?
What did Fred Phelps say that bad things? He's dead now,
isn't he?

Speaker 2 (48:05):
Well?

Speaker 3 (48:05):
Forum, So I tried underwater to see what it's like
with the pressure, because obviously it's harder to hold your
breath that way. But there was one or two times
that I came up like last minute, and you do
kind of like blackout, not blackout exactly, but it felt
good though you felt kind of like no, not a

(48:27):
hard on rod. That didn't feel good in a sexual way,
felt nice, like when you get a head rush, it
feels good to not have sex with you.

Speaker 2 (48:38):
I thought you're talking about what you can.

Speaker 3 (48:41):
Do, and it's just always you're talking about Michaels. I
was talking about swimming in the ocean and testing the
capacity of my lung.

Speaker 2 (48:48):
But anyway, listen, if you're on the ball in the middle,
you're fucked.

Speaker 3 (48:52):
Yes, that's very true. Now, what I will say about
holding your breath is you're like a well trained lesbians
who could breed between your ears.

Speaker 2 (48:59):
Comes to oh, what is going to be the yeah, yeah, yeah,
not a you know, biggest maritime disaster in Ireland.

Speaker 3 (49:14):
Of course, my.

Speaker 2 (49:15):
Great great granddad's arrived, did he seven hundred dead and
he's rived. So he had a bit of a assassin's cream.

Speaker 3 (49:23):
And people's heads. You know, he was looking back into
the water the crack.

Speaker 2 (49:29):
Yeah, because yeah, because he was he had boats himself,
so he knew that they had been torpedo So torpedoes. Well,
like that's the funny thing, torpedo boat and he was like,
get the fuck his interviews from If anyone's interested to
go and search.

Speaker 3 (49:44):
The Leinster and Billington and you'll get attle interview with him.
He talks about it.

Speaker 2 (49:49):
It sounds fairly griad because you're talking about like fishing.
There are fishing bodies out of water. Hair like Garden's
hair was like stuck to his he talks about in
the interview to his buttons on his jacket and stuff
like that. There was a scram. Well, the only reason
he got a boat was a boat because he was
He went up when he kind of knew something was wrong,

(50:11):
like he was like for this German new bot. Thank him.

Speaker 3 (50:15):
In the channel, Channon in the channel, the channel, Shannon
eure Xt next one. I guess you could call this
third person syndrome and out of body experience, or some
strange combination of the two. I was a newly wed
in my twenties when my husband suffered a serious medical

(50:37):
condition resulting in organ failure. I was faced with the
decision of whether to withdraw life support and pretty much
fell apart. Suddenly, I was floating above his ICU bed,
where I saw myself sitting next to a reassuring, brotherly figure.
He put his arms around me and told me that
letting my husband go was the right decision. Anyone who
knows me knows that I am about the most rational,

(50:58):
sciencey person. But this felt as real to me as
the ground and the husband died.

Speaker 1 (51:11):
One of eleven.

Speaker 2 (51:14):
Sometimes I've had that, but it's more, it's not like
this kind of profound hard party thing. It's like literally
just the right idea comes to you and goes you
need to do that, like it's the right thing to do,
But like it's never someone else, don't it's always.

Speaker 3 (51:28):
Me, you know, because you're the smartest person, you know. Yeah,
and then if somebody else gave you advice, you would
say advice could not be as good as.

Speaker 2 (51:37):
I'm sort of at the level of Alex O'Connor, But
I come from a more tell logan perspective.

Speaker 3 (51:43):
You come from a good wrestling school, Chris.

Speaker 2 (51:53):
I was trying by Chris flying headbots all day. Yeah, yeah, no,
Chris No, when got up on top of his bungalow
and we jumped.

Speaker 3 (52:05):
Off the room over and over.

Speaker 2 (52:07):
Good. We see each there, We see how many times
we could do with Chris.

Speaker 3 (52:13):
Jerry was trying to do. Was Jerry go on the ladder?

Speaker 5 (52:16):
All?

Speaker 2 (52:17):
No, No, he's in trouble, Alex o'connory, doesn't he? Yes?
Soon once this car locals like he's in trouble, he's
gonna have to. This is the biggest who's that in
the mask? The biggest fight.

Speaker 3 (52:28):
God, it's Bob Bob.

Speaker 1 (52:30):
Blazer's here tonight. He's color.

Speaker 3 (52:35):
Bob Blazer on his fucking Bob Blazer.

Speaker 1 (52:39):
He didn't as seem to like what Robert Billington was
shaying about him.

Speaker 2 (52:43):
Jarreny Carbell then been after me, are.

Speaker 1 (52:47):
You shaving Rob's hair? He's shaving his hair off right now.

Speaker 2 (52:51):
Jesus, Tim has come out for me.

Speaker 3 (52:53):
Thom, come out, Timy Renner.

Speaker 1 (52:56):
Even he was running away like a scond.

Speaker 2 (52:58):
Dog, timid come out like cane with the hair and everything,
betrolling around. It'd be class man.

Speaker 3 (53:09):
Z list podcasters, Alex O'Connor.

Speaker 2 (53:14):
It'd be class I was sixteen when mom and I
had moved into a new gated apartment building, who La Lah.
It was a rather small community and we felt very safe.
We had a habit of keeping our front door unlocked
until we went to bed. It was nine pm and
I was in the living room watching TV as usual.
Suddenly a voice in my head asked to get up

(53:35):
and lock the door immediately because.

Speaker 3 (53:37):
It was going to be opened.

Speaker 7 (53:39):
No.

Speaker 2 (53:40):
I didn't question it and ran to the door, and
just as I was about to double lock it, there
was a violent tug on the handle and push on
the door. Not unlike the violent Tugsamon had when he
was trying his breath on the water.

Speaker 3 (53:56):
It was clear violence.

Speaker 2 (53:59):
It was clear that they were trying to break the
door in and they didn't stop. I streamed for a
mom to come, and I think that scared them away.
They were like, we didn't there open the door to
see who was just went to bed. The next day
we found out a man had escaped from a nearby
lunatic asylum and hand come across our buildings. No No

(54:26):
no Ing tacked our guard before making his way, and
he did. Ours was the second house on the first floor,
and the noise from the TV probably caught his attention.
We moved soon after to a much safer locality. You
do know that, Like, yeah, if someone goes toward the
noise when they're breaking into a house there the mean trouble,

(54:47):
They're like, yeah, I'm gonna go in here, butcher everyone
kill them all that shit, you know.

Speaker 3 (54:52):
Yeah, And it could have been Kane, Kane as we
all know, who lived in a basement and had a
terribly burned face and then somehow one day went out
parodying knocks someone down in his car and I didn't
have just changed everything with Cane?

Speaker 2 (55:06):
Your brother?

Speaker 1 (55:07):
Your brother?

Speaker 2 (55:09):
Did he like drop character altogether? But at the end
or is that just him in real life?

Speaker 7 (55:13):
Now?

Speaker 3 (55:14):
He's just he's the California isn't California? No, it's not
your right South Carolina or something like that.

Speaker 2 (55:21):
It seems like an right fella.

Speaker 3 (55:24):
Yeah, possibly, I don't know. I would like to fight him.
He's a big man, big red machine, if you. I
was very young, not even an adult yet, and I
had moved into my first apartment with my boyfriend, who
was away that night after work for a twelve hour
overnight shift. We lived in a gated community, but a

(55:44):
very rough part of town. My boyfriend used to make
me carry a small firearm to go run errors. It
was that bad. I had a bad habit of leaving
the stoves on, the cabinets open, the ovens on, the
doors unlocked. I'm not a very thoughtful person. One night,
I had gone to bed by myself when I was
awoken suddenly by a man's voice. I thought he was

(56:07):
my father.

Speaker 7 (56:07):
Saying, emmy, wake up, wake up now, and I closed
my eyes, thinking I had imagined it, and he said, emmy,
get up right now, sit up, stay up, you need
to be awake.

Speaker 3 (56:20):
I was awake now and frightened because I was hearing
a voice I was sure wasn't there. I did this
parole around the small apartment and saw the front door
dead bolt was not turned, so I locked it and
went back to sleep. The following morning, I went to
the apartment office to sign some paperwork and saw there
were cops all around the office. The neighbor from across
the hall had had his apartment ransacked.

Speaker 2 (56:42):
Oh Ron de Francesco was on the eighty fourth floor
of the South Tower at the World Tild Center on
September eleventh, two thousand and one, when the second plane
crashed into the building. He meant several attempts to escape,
but failed to find the safe exit. As to think
of giving up, the Francisco heard an unfamiliar voice. Someone

(57:04):
told me to get up. Someone, he said, called me.
The voice, which was male but did not belong to
one of the people in the stairwell, was insistent to
get up. It addressed the Francisco by his name and
gave him encouragement. It was hey, you can do this.
But it was more than a voice. There was also
a vivid sense of a physical presence. Geygerot in the

(57:25):
third Manufacturer Surviving the Impossible, He had a sensation that
somebody lifted me up. He felt that he was being guided.
I was led to the stairs. I don't think something
grabbed my head my hand, but I was definitely led
with help from what DeFrancisco describes as an angel. He
made it out of South Tower alive. He was only

(57:49):
one of four people to escape from above that eighty
first floor.

Speaker 3 (57:53):
Congratulations on escaping.

Speaker 2 (57:54):
Now you have aspestosis and horrible cancers, and you will
not be fucking supported by your state either. You'll have
to fight for it, which is the great and shitty
story of most of them. Poor fucker's in New York.
But uh so, what do you what do you think emen?
Do you think there's something to it? Do you think

(58:16):
there's something divine?

Speaker 3 (58:18):
Perhaps? Does one think it is from the ego? Sigmund
Freud would have a lot to say about that. You know,
we're very intaliged on this podcast. So I posit the
theory of Sigmund Freud.

Speaker 2 (58:31):
I deploy Sigmund Freud.

Speaker 3 (58:33):
I choose you, Sigmund. I mean, if you tried to
take a more material stance and it maybe what about Carl,
young Carl, what do you think? Carl? I think we
must assimilate our shadow in order to be the best
possible version of ourselves. Yeah, I am hard to know, Like,

(58:55):
could it be that your brain knows you need to
do something and so it tries to make a thing
in front of you?

Speaker 2 (59:03):
We got balan Al.

Speaker 3 (59:08):
We've gone so bad on in jokes here that we
don't even bother whether people get them anymore. If you
had missed one work up, there's a veloscer Raptor on
the plane with me. Wake up, Alan, Why are you awake?

Speaker 2 (59:26):
That was actually just a cinema cinema The graphic representation
of that. He was having a veloss of raptor.

Speaker 3 (59:38):
Better way, balin, Can you imagine like you were stuck
in one of these scenarios and just a giant dinosaur
set aymen, it's going to be okay, that would be cool.
I've alosci Raptor, but more anthropomorphised, so it has like
the biceps strong arms.

Speaker 2 (59:55):
Raptor the philosopher the flosciraptor when you rapt have like
a broadsword and I'm six you could do.

Speaker 3 (01:00:06):
Do you think it's Jesus power haired as a play?

Speaker 2 (01:00:09):
Do they think it's more? I think it's from the ego,
from the psyche, the inner depths of one's self.

Speaker 3 (01:00:18):
The ego is the mask with what we we must do.

Speaker 2 (01:00:23):
The aid is the terrible.

Speaker 3 (01:00:25):
Demon that exists within us.

Speaker 2 (01:00:26):
All either that like or it's all of our relatives
up there in space coming down through the animals.

Speaker 3 (01:00:32):
Yeah, my your granddad having a sandwich on myers, his
fucking ages afterget himself.

Speaker 2 (01:00:38):
I mean, they're tappening like they're they're occupying the space.

Speaker 3 (01:00:41):
It's funny, and one of them idea they thought it
could be. I don't know. Is it something the quantum?

Speaker 2 (01:00:49):
I don't know man like, there are times that ship
like that goes down and you're like, was I really
lucky there? Or like, you know, it was just someone
looking out for me?

Speaker 3 (01:01:02):
Do you know what?

Speaker 5 (01:01:02):
To be cool?

Speaker 3 (01:01:03):
I wonder if there's like third man ones where they
actively try to get you to do the wrong thing again,
perhaps my eyes turned into a cat's eize and my
fork open the padoard.

Speaker 2 (01:01:17):
You could, Yeah, you could argue all that that maybe
dolls are like the demons that manifesting people, you know, like.

Speaker 3 (01:01:22):
Hard to know. I suppose, yeah, there is. It's it's
a weird thing whatever it is, and certainly it seems
to have If those are all true stories, the ones
that knew something were about to happen and tried to
stop it, it's pretty cool, pretty class like for example,
what would.

Speaker 2 (01:01:40):
You think Michael from Fa Sauce is said about it.

Speaker 3 (01:01:43):
The thing about this is that really humans can't hear
dimbodied voices, So what could it be because it has something?

Speaker 2 (01:01:49):
Michael Michael, I think his name is Victor Sauce.

Speaker 3 (01:01:54):
Victor Sauce.

Speaker 2 (01:01:57):
That's the second time as a Sauce.

Speaker 8 (01:01:59):
It's very.

Speaker 1 (01:02:02):
With a gallon of water, He's gonna drown him in
the middle of the ring.

Speaker 2 (01:02:07):
Sauce. What's his name? Michael And yeah, it's Michael Sauce. Michael.

Speaker 3 (01:02:11):
Yeah, what's the beast?

Speaker 2 (01:02:12):
Then?

Speaker 1 (01:02:12):
For victory? Who's gonna get victory today?

Speaker 2 (01:02:16):
Virtual Sauce, Virtual Sauce much think him or great minds
like himself, Carl Sagan, Sigmund Freud, Sauce v. Sauce that
just like.

Speaker 3 (01:02:35):
Sigmunddroid vs. Sauce. Many gentlemen, you know, ao c here's
some tea for you about Marjorie Taylor Green.

Speaker 2 (01:02:47):
It will be hilarious, like the Sauce was remembered just
like an Aristotle character. There's a bunch of people like
Sauce said this.

Speaker 3 (01:02:57):
He knew about physics and he never read one physics book.
Who is there any other lads who have class names
that do cool stuff? Hot for words? Remember little.

Speaker 5 (01:03:11):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:03:13):
She was one? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:03:15):
Who else? Who are the other the other stupid ones?

Speaker 2 (01:03:19):
What's the little fellow? Ray William Johnson? What did he do?
He was like fucking beatles about or something, fucking chocolate
rains like Jeremy Badel or something kind of It was
like Jeremy Bade but on YouTube and the American said, now,
who Jeremy Badele was? So he got murder? No, I

(01:03:43):
think you know what third man syndrome. Will have to
ask Sonda really to figure it out or not that I.

Speaker 3 (01:03:49):
Believe that a man could walk on water.

Speaker 1 (01:03:51):
I'm starting to believe that it's more and more likely
that people might hear.

Speaker 2 (01:03:55):
Disembodied loves Jesus.

Speaker 5 (01:03:59):
Then when I heard that he made loads of bread
and fishes, I thought, this seems plausible.

Speaker 3 (01:04:06):
But highly logical. What does Alex think Jesus?

Speaker 2 (01:04:11):
He's yeah, so they came, and we think that out
of all of this third man syndrome, shighten them? And
is it something real?

Speaker 7 (01:04:20):
So?

Speaker 2 (01:04:20):
But so you think it's a it's an extra terrestrial scenario.
It's real, So you think it's an extra terrestrial We extraterrestrial,
Charley means outside of the planet. Right, if if one
was to think of Latin and the etymology of the sentence,
myself and visas Michael won't understand that.

Speaker 1 (01:04:42):
But terriforming.

Speaker 3 (01:04:45):
The Earth, Yes, extra terrestrial down on terra firma.

Speaker 2 (01:04:53):
That's a bit of Latiner ter firm It.

Speaker 3 (01:04:57):
Means the firm earth aqua agricola. I don't know what
that one needs, but it sounds Latin aphrodity, you know,
the goddess of love, you know, and that's happening.

Speaker 2 (01:05:11):
So what you reckon? But your fucking says a definitive answer,
like people gonna watch listen. The reason that we're losing
listeners to Alex O'Connor is because they go over to
him and they get an answer. We need to give
the listeners answer.

Speaker 3 (01:05:24):
What alex O'Connor won't tell you. What alex O'Connor is
fucking running scared about. Alex O'Connor doesn't have any answer,
does Okay?

Speaker 1 (01:05:33):
No one has any answers.

Speaker 3 (01:05:36):
You are alone in this world. There's no one trying
to help you, except when you hear a disembodied voice.
In this case time for it's today of the leavings.
If you had like just like a Brandosaurus in the

(01:05:59):
playe like, you would have been clast something that just
totally just head by the window.

Speaker 2 (01:06:06):
I think the whole movie.

Speaker 3 (01:06:08):
Was just two hours of Alan waking up to different dinosaurs.

Speaker 2 (01:06:13):
Happy.

Speaker 3 (01:06:14):
Yeah, I think, what do you think of Virtuo Sauce?
I love them, man, I just love them just so much,
so much genius for me to really wrap weird?

Speaker 2 (01:06:23):
Is Michael Michael?

Speaker 3 (01:06:26):
I like Michael.

Speaker 2 (01:06:27):
It's nice guy guy, a good guy.

Speaker 1 (01:06:33):
But to be more you need to be more professional sauce.

Speaker 2 (01:06:40):
There's another in joy. We're firing him out now. Sure
we're referencing.

Speaker 3 (01:06:43):
They don't seem to care about what they're saying.

Speaker 2 (01:06:47):
If the want the what was it called the appendices?
Is that was that where you get the references? So
that would be Jurassic par Tree Monster would be one,
and Alan grand Wagon up dress and then what else
was I just referenced? And I can't remember walking on

(01:07:08):
Christian Bell, Christian.

Speaker 3 (01:07:09):
Bell getting on the Chris benaff or No, Christian.

Speaker 2 (01:07:15):
Bell was shouting someone on the say but you're not professional,
And that was quite funny.

Speaker 3 (01:07:21):
Listen. We were having a very odd because he was
getting very irish. So I do recommend said that to
Michael Caine and this would have broken you.

Speaker 2 (01:07:33):
Know, married to Christian, married the one and said her
for many many years. They've been married for I think
forty or fifty years, hired in that industry, you know,
so much temptation, Oh gotcha, and under all mad Basterds
as well, like like.

Speaker 1 (01:07:50):
That check.

Speaker 2 (01:07:54):
DEVI around me.

Speaker 3 (01:07:59):
Was so fucking yeah up.

Speaker 2 (01:08:05):
It's like like no one you know what it is,
though a lot of it is I think staying relevant. No,
it was very deliberate to put all that out just
before Stranger Things launched, I think. But then also I
think his PR team are like firing a lot of
ship at her as well to try and like there's
like a syup of like just pure nonsense. Yeah, but

(01:08:26):
there were The bottom line is like they're all fucking
mad head. I love how people try and like people
try and normalize and like rationalized one or the other
for being like the normal character. Listen, the fact that
is bottom top shaggers that ball we're trying to ride around,
you know what I mean? Like it was all it
was high stacks drama, always going to be.

Speaker 3 (01:08:45):
If you want to be a student of the ride game,
you're going to break a few hearts. Is a bit unusual, alright.
It gives me weird vibes to be fair to him.
But then just Lily Allen also that is what for
Alex O'Connor re.

Speaker 1 (01:09:01):
Aaron hmm, are we rear scandal story?

Speaker 2 (01:09:08):
I like Alan, I think I like some of her music,
but art artists et cetera.

Speaker 3 (01:09:14):
I call her al Fresco, got a bag from you.

Speaker 2 (01:09:17):
Do not like her.

Speaker 3 (01:09:18):
She's English.

Speaker 1 (01:09:18):
But Alan O'Connor, I'm following you out.

Speaker 3 (01:09:24):
Why don't you get once.

Speaker 2 (01:09:29):
I went to school.

Speaker 1 (01:09:30):
I went to school with Alex.

Speaker 2 (01:09:38):
In my class.

Speaker 3 (01:09:40):
Connor again, he's getting it in the ring right. I'm
a I've been Alex O'Connor.

Speaker 2 (01:09:45):
Monster falls over and out