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May 10, 2025 23 mins
About the Guest(s): Willie Lawson is a dedicated media personality and the host of "THE MORNING REPORT" produced by Fightbackmedia.com and FightbackMediaTV.com. With a passion for political discourse and constitutional rights, Lawson has carved out a niche presenting nuanced, thought-provoking conversations surrounding constitutional law, immigration, and national politics. His work is aimed at providing insightful dialogue on preserving the American republic, balancing legal frameworks with political realities, and encouraging civic engagement. Episode Summary: Join Willie Lawson on this riveting episode of "THE MORNING REPORT," where the intricate balances of constitutional law, immigration, and national security collide. At the heart of this discussion is the controversial concept of suspending habeas corpus, a critical constitutional right that allows individuals to challenge unlawful detention. As global political dynamics shift, Lawson unpacks the profound implications of using such an extreme measure in the context of immigration and national sovereignty. In a detailed dissection, Lawson explores whether current immigration scenarios could justify the suspension of habeas corpus, a move rarely seen in American history. With references to historical precedents like Lincoln's Civil War suspension and the ongoing migrant crisis, Lawson examines the constitutional provisions that might allow such a policy shift. His analysis foregrounds the pivotal role of Congress vs. presidential powers in making these decisions. Lawson emphasizes the weight of the Republican Congress's alignment with executive intentions, and the legal challenges that could arise from defining "invasion" in modern terms. Tackling weighty topics, Lawson calls his audience to consider constitutional purity in the face of contemporary political pressures. Key Takeaways:
  • Habeas corpus is a fundamental legal right allowing people to challenge unlawful detention in court, which is foundational for liberty and accountability in government.
  • Historically, habeas corpus has been suspended in extreme scenarios involving rebellion or invasion, emphasizing why any such modern use requires careful scrutiny.
  • The debate on immigration as an "invasion" highlights the need for aligning political rhetoric with constitutional law and historical context.
  • Achieving policy changes necessitates Congress's cooperation, underscoring the critical nature of balancing executive reach and legislative authority.
  • Lawson warns of the slippery slope that comes from undermining habeas corpus, advocating for constitutional fidelity to preserve democratic principles.
Notable Quotes:
  • "It's about the Constitution, it's about the country. It's about the Republic."
  • "Habeas corpus is not just about law. It's about power."
  • "If we lose the right to challenge detention, the government gains the right to detain without challenge."
  • "That same bat that you use to bludgeon your opponent will be that same bat that you get bludgeoned by."
  • "We have to be really, really careful, right? So Congress has got to play along."
Resources:
  • Fightbackmedia.com
  • Mammoth Nation
  • Seven Weeks Coffee promotional discussion
  • Historical references to previous suspensions of habeas corpus during key conflicts (i.e., Civil War and Pearl Harbor)
By diving deep into the dynamics of habeas corpus and its historical application, listeners are invited to ponder the legal and ethical ramifications of current policy debates. Engage with the full episode for a comprehensive understanding of these constitutional issues and for more thought-provoking content on national governance from "THE MORNING REPORT." Stay tuned for future episodes exploring America’s crucial political conversations.

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Speaker 1 (00:16):
Well, good morning, good morning, and welcome to the Morning Report.
My name is Willie Austin Moner Report Direction, fight Backmedia
dot Come, fight Back Media dot com, Fightbackmedia dot com,
and fight backmdiatv dot com. We are thrilled that you
are with us here today. Now, this show is gonna
be a little different than maybe something that you've used to,
but it is an important, important, important program, uh that

(00:41):
we have to have this conversation because you know what,
it's about the constitution, it's about the country. It's it's
about the republic, and you need to have this this conversation.
You've heard, you're hearing the phrase and going to hear
the phrase habeas corpus and the suspension of habeas corpus. Okay,

(01:03):
let's start with a quote that launched a thousand headlines
and you're gonna hear in the Sunday shows. I'm getting
getting this to you before the Sunday shows a lot
about this. It was said by this dude here. Hopefully

(01:23):
I can put him on the screen. It's an option
that we're actively looking at. That's what Stephen Miller, the
White House Deputy Chief of Staff, told reporters when asked
if the president is considering suspending habeas corpus. Now, let's
be real, this isn't just about law. It's kind of

(01:47):
about power, and it's about whether we have an invasion
of illegal aliens, because that's where it all will wrap
up being around. And today we're going to unpack what
it really means and where it comes from and why
should we should all be paying attention. All right, So

(02:12):
what is habeas corpus. Habeas corpus is Latin for you
shall have the body. It is the right of any
individual to challenge the detention their detention in court. No
secret arrests. You just can't start knocking on doors and

(02:35):
rounding people up. We talk a lot about that here
on the Winnerary. What we talk about are we going
to save the republic? And this is all about This
is all about saving the republic. Let there be no out.
This is about saving the republic. This isn't about the
power of presidential personality. This is about saving the republic.

(02:58):
So we gotta have this conversation. So there's no secret arrests,
No you know, bang on the door at midnight and
drag people off into the dark. That we don't do
even when there are some people who probably deserve it. Okay,
if the government locks you up, they may they have

(03:19):
to justify it in front of a judge. This is
not a loophole, This is not this is not some
some weird thing. This is one of the pillars of liberty.
In fact, Abraham Lincoln's temporarily suspend suspension during the Civil
War is still debated today. And they were at war,

(03:42):
not war on some foreign turf. They were at war.
Right here, Here's what the Constitution says, because that's what
we have to refer to. Now, the Constitution does allow
for the suspension of habeas course corpose. It does, but
only in cases of rebellion or invasion where the public

(04:07):
safety demands it. That's Article one, section nine, the part
that outlines congressional powers. Notice I said congressional powers, not presidential,
not executive powers. So when Miller says Trump is looking
at it, what he's really floating is this idea of

(04:30):
unilaterally overriding the courts unless Congress goes along. Now, if
the Republican controlled Congress, the House in the Senate say yes,
this immigration crisis is so big, it's so threatening that

(04:54):
it is it borders on or it goes over the
border on invas invasion and they say, okay, then they
can suspend habeas corpus. And even then we have to
be really really careful. Right, So Congress has got to
play along. So before everybody starts, you know, wringing their

(05:18):
hands and jumping up and down and setting their hair
on fire, first of all, Congress needs has to play along.
Now we have to ask this question. And you guys
know how I feel. You don't how a monor report feels.
Is is illegal immigration and invasion? Now we have seen,

(05:42):
because there's this thing called the Internet, We've seen what
has happened in other countries like Great Britain, some of
the some of the Netherland countries, you know, some of
the those countries, Germany, where there has been so many

(06:02):
immigrants in those countries that their entire culture is changing.
All the mayors of the major cities in England are Islamic.
There is there are Islamic Islamic Charia courts going up
all over the country. Is that an invasion? It's not

(06:24):
an invasion in the traditional sense where someone comes across
your border with with guns and and and and and bayonets.
But it's but it's definitely a sudden culture change and
could be categorized as an invasion here in the United States.

(06:46):
We don't. We haven't had that as of yet. But
when when suddenly there are millions of people in your
country that you did not invite, and that will be
the difference from here and what they're experiencing in Europe.
The people in Europe invited these folks, They invited them,

(07:11):
and they have now what they have what we saw
in the last four years, especially those people who came
across the border from all over the world. You know,
you know, you know when we say those people a
lot of people. Are you talking about Mexicans? Well, I
was talking about some Mexican but we're talking about people
from all over the world, from Africa, from the Middle East,

(07:34):
We're talking about from China, from all over the world
that are here illegally. So when someone shows up illegally,
can you consider an invasion? If someone crashes through your
front door in the middle of the night and rouse
you out of bed, we call that or what a

(07:58):
home home immigration? No, we call them a home invasion.
So we're gonna be battling that, battling with that phrase
back and forth for a while, it seems because Miller
argues that we're being invaded by undocumented undocumented migrants or
illegal immigrants, and that's pretty strong language, and it's politically

(08:21):
charged and it shouldn't be. So we're gonna have to
battle that out legally. Of course, the there that already
been too active, as judges that have already shot down
the use of the Alien Enemies Act to fast track deportations.
Why because of the definition of invasion, we're still talking

(08:50):
about the traditional definition of invasion. Like I mentioned that
people show up with guns and pitchforks, No, but are
But when you have five million, ten million, fifteen million
people show up in your country uninvited, that an invasion.

(09:13):
That's bigger than that's bigger than anybody's army. I mean,
fifteen million people show up. That's th that's bigger than
the Mexican army. That's bigger than the Venezuelan army. That's
the size of the probably the the entire Chinese army.

(09:34):
But when they show up like they did in such
a short of a b period of time, could we
possibly call that invasion an invasion? We could? Now what
we have to do is again words mean something. So
what we're gonna have to do when we're gonna have
to decide if that's what we mean? Is that what

(09:58):
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(10:26):
habeas corpus in the United States has been suspended just
four times. The first time is during the Civil War War,
the second time during reconstruction in South Carolina. One more
time was the Philippines Insurrection, the Philippines Insurrection in nineteen

(10:51):
oh five, and then again in Hawaii after pro Harbor.
All four involved either on conflict I just mentioned or
foreign attack. None were about domestic immigration enforcement because now

(11:11):
because back then they would have never considered fifteen million
illegal immigrants showing up at your southern border and there
was nothing you can do about it. It was just
beyond the consideration that that could ever ever be a reality. Lincoln,

(11:35):
the guy who actually did suspend the Devia's corpus, got
taken a court by Chief Justice Roger Taney, who ruled
it unconstitutional unless Congress approves. So what we really are
talking about is if Congress plays along. If Congress goes along,
then the judges and the media and the left will

(11:58):
have little to stand on. Where we find out if
the Republican Congress is down with what the president is selling,
are they you know, are they down with what what?
What the rock is cooking? So to speak? So is
this executive overreach? Because Miller's statement wasn't just about policy.

(12:21):
It was a message to the courts. It depends, and
he said it depends if the courts do the right
thing or not. Some will consider that a threat. I
don't consider that a threat. I consider that setting up
what might happen if this is the big if then statement,
if this, then this, because the idea is, if the

(12:50):
courts rule in the way they've been ruling, then we're
gonna he's gonna have to find another strategy. He's going
to have to find another strategy because, frankly, it doesn't
make any damn sense that fifteen million people can move
into this country illegally and there isn't anything that anybody
can do about it. That doesn't make any sense, That

(13:13):
make any sense to you? Doesn't make any sense to me,
and anybody who has two brain cells and one synapses
no that it doesn't make any sense. Right, But I'm
sure that Miller knows. I'm sure that Hope that Hope,
that Trump knows that he's going to have to find

(13:38):
a way to get Congress, the Republican run House, and
Senate to play along, because that's the easiest path if
that's going to be necessary. Now, I'm not even so
sure that's going to be necessary. I certainly hope not.

(13:59):
I cert but that's not going to be any This
isn't going to be a necessary step, but we're going
to have to do something. There hasn't been nearly enough.
I mean, hell, Trump hasn't deported as many people as
Obama at this point, and may are a lot more
people here. I have a I hope to put a

(14:27):
at the end of this video, a video that the
that Ice put up on social media, and you will
find it and you'll find it startling. So make sure
you hang out until then because you're gonna find that
video is a short video. I think it was up
on TikTok. You want to find it startling. About all

(14:50):
that you needed was to follow the existing law. Are
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(15:13):
Mammoth dot com. Now, what happens if Trump moves on
moves forward without Congress. I don't think he can, and
I don't think he will, and most legal scholars agree
he would be unconstitutional. Federal course would step in fast,
because you know that they are, because after after today,

(15:35):
you know they they're already organizing, already organizing about Oh,
we got to get we got to make sure that
Trump doesn't blah blah blah. Right. So my guess is
that that it won't happen. My guess is that this
is another one of Trump's trolls, controls, one of his

(15:58):
bits of negotiation, one of his bits of poker. He
bluffs to see what the other side will do. And
it's easy with the left because they instantaneously will show
their hand. So I think that that's what that will
probably happen. More than anything, I'm not really worried about

(16:20):
it at this point. Something we need to pay attention to.
But I don't think I don't think it's going to happen.
And again, if it does happen, he's gonna have to
you know, pull Congress and get Congress to go along
with it. And it's a dangerous political thing for Congress
to go along with because the the midterm elections are

(16:42):
next year, and what those folks in Congress care about
more than anything, he's getting elected. Again, that's an unfortunate
reality that we have. And they don't want They probably
don't want to go, Oh, you're the one that voted
to HISS, then hey be its corpets. So we could

(17:02):
have people they just get arrested and get you know,
drug off in the middle of the night, because that'll
be the other side. It's easy. So I think that
that will be what needs to happen. And in the
meantime and in the meantime, what Tom Holman and the
rest of the folks who are who are protecting the

(17:24):
border need to do is they need to continue to
follow the existing law. They need to continue to follow
the existing law. Even if you have to arrest the
mayor of New York, I mean, are the mayor of
New Jersey, land of my birth. Yes, even if you
have to do that. You just continue to obey the

(17:45):
existing law and you send people if they're from Alf Salvador,
you send them back to El Salvador. Doesn't seem hard
to me, you know what else sudden seems hard to
me when you want to do something like we're doing here,
and we've been at this. This is the fourteenth year

(18:06):
of this YouTube channel, and we have had many strikes
that we had to battle back from kio videos that
have been up for three years, and now suddenly we're
taken down. There were for three years. I remember one
of them had three views. Three and I wake up

(18:30):
in the morning, you know, in the morning, you know,
check check my phone, you know, wake up in the
morning and check my phone. I'm like, what they took
down a COVID video that was three years old for
medical misinformation or medical what. So we're always we're always battling.

(18:57):
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(19:21):
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(19:45):
That's patreon dot com slash morning Report. All right, let's
get this going. Suspending habeas corpus isn't a policy. It
is really the nuclear option. And if this is the
direction of the White House is heading, then we got them.

(20:05):
You know, if if we are interested in maintaining the
the the republic, what we're gonna have to do, is
individuals and patriots and constitutionalists, is that we're gonna have
to say, wait, no matter what, no matter what happens,

(20:27):
no matter how how we feel, the thing that we're
gonna have to go by as a constitution. There's others
to it, because if we lose the right to challenge attention,
the government gains the right to detain without challenge. Now
I always now, I always say this, no whatever one

(20:52):
side does, the other side will go, oh, we can
do it too. Impeachment was one of those things you're like,
nobody gets impeached, right, and then Trump kind of and
then Trump kind of peach right twice one time he

(21:12):
wasn't even president, and we were all like, hey, we
can't be using impeachment as a political tool. Oh no,
we can't. And then Trump gets re elected and then
everybody wants everybody wants everybody else to get impeached. Right,
We ain't to do impeach Joe Biden. We need to
impeach Kamala Harris. We didn't do. So we have to

(21:35):
be careful. That same bat that you use to bludgeon
your opponent will be that same bat that you get
bludgeoned by. That's why cooler heads have to prevail people
like you. This is America, you know. So we can't

(22:01):
do that because again, if you lose the right to
challenge attention attension, the government gains the right to detain
without challenge. And that's not America. That's tyranny with a
press badge. So again, thank you for joining me. My
name is Billy Lawson. Stay sharp, stay bold, and we'll
see you the next time on the morning report. Bye

(22:24):
bye now m hm hm hm hmm.
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