Quarantine Murders: Khari Sanford & Ali’jah Larrue

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that said, we are still onLetter Q and we are covering quarantine murders.
So these are really recent cases.They don't have a verdict, any
closure, a trial or anything likethat, which is really rare for Murder
Dictionary, but we're still going tocover them because all the ones that we're

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choosing are pretty open and shut cases. There's not much mystery involved. Yeah,
not a lot of speculation here,right, but we do have to
say, you know, allegedly caseis still open. Definitely, we've got
to be a little bit sensitive aboutthe fact that they have not been convicted.
However, as we know, sinceyou're only spending time with a small

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group of people and a lot ofthese cases, people are leaving a lot
of clues and breadcrumbs around so thatwe are able to trace who did what.
One. We're definitely covering cases thathappened during the quarantine that are,
like I said, open and shut, very straightforward cases that are pretty much

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just solved and they're waiting for trial. So but allegedly is you're right,
we should say allegedly yes. AndI began to refer to this one specifically
as the quarantines as it involves teenagers. So this is the case of the

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Quarantines. I just thought that wasfun, that's all. You're a little
acute name for it. I getit perfect, I thought. So,
So we're going to start with BethPotter, who was born in nineteen sixty
eight and she spent her childhood inIllinois. She attended Knox College in Galesburg,

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Illinois, where she studied French andliterature. May we right, I'm
impressed. So throughout her life shehad a love for language that greatly helped
her later in her chosen career.Friends remembered her for her quote eclectic wardrobe,

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punk hairstyle, and how she stoodout without seeking attention. Great description
of someone. Honestly, it soundsso complimentary without the usual thing of oh
she's beautiful and she lit up aroom. It paints a picture of who
this person is. I can seethis person, you know. Yeah,
stood out without seeking attention is great. It's a really great description and says

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a lot I think about her character. She was also a cross country skier.
She played tennis and really liked pingpong, which is an interesting hobby.
I think everyone like, I don'tknow anybody that doesn't like ping pong,
But it is notable that she's like, no, she really likes ping

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pong. Yeah. It was specificto like her college days, which is
funny because we you know, beerpong, right right, Nope, ping
pong, Yeah, so cute.I think that's pretty adorable. So Knox
College is also where she met herfuture husband, soccer player Robin Carr.

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A friend recalls that after they allattended a party. Robin asked him for
Best's phone number, but he actuallyforgot to give it to him, not
once, but twice. So clearlyRobin was really seeking this out, and
the friend just kept dropping the ball, and he was just trying anywhere to
get this cute girl's phone number thathe really liked. He was really into

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her, absolutely from the very beginning. He was so taken with Beth that
somehow he actually found another way toget her number from somebody else, So
he was being resourceful. For somereason, this doesn't feel weird. I
don't know why. Him going aroundand getting it from someone, you know,

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oh, I had to go hereto it for some reason comes off
romantic to us with this, Butin other cases we may be like,
he's a freak, what a psychopath? Right? Yeah, I think that
this is something where in certain situations, or let me say, in a
lot of situations, I'd probably think, Okay, this is stalker behavior.
This is a little unsettling. Butfor some reason, I can kind of

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envision, you know, when you'rehearing these stories, you kind of picture
it, or you put the wholepieces together, and it seems to me
like maybe it was just two shypeople that met and really hit it off,
and there just wasn't that moment wherethey could exchange information. It just
kind of passed by, and itwas something that instantly was like, I

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want to get in touch with her, and she probably felt the same way,
but was just too reserved to giveout her information, you know,
like, oh, like I'm questioningwhether he likes me, so I'm not
going to offer my phone number.I think he knew that she wanted to
see him again, just like hewanted to see her. I agree,
that's the feeling I get. Robinalso spoke French, which was one of

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the ways that the two of theminitially connected. His brother actually ran a
tour company that hosted and drove Frenchpeople all over the southwest of the US,
so Robin was able to really easilyconverse with Beth or anybody in French.

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Beth then went to medical school atRush Medical College in Chicago, while
her and Robin continued to date.Eventually, Beth and Robin got married,
then moved to Madison, Wisconsin.She did her residency in family medicine at

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University of Wisconsin. Then in nineteenninety nine, she became a faculty member.
Robin got a PhD in philosophy.Then in twenty fourteen, he opened
his own business as an independent educationalconsultant. It sounds made up, yeah,

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but it's real. It is absolutelyit's real. And not only that,
but it's something that really helps people. It's his mission to kind of
make a difference in young people's livesand help people get educate. So it
is a real job, and it'sactually a really admirable job. Basically,
he specialized in helping high school studentsand their parents navigate the challenging college admission

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process. So and not in thatway of you know, Operation Varsity Blues
with Aunt Becky, not in anillegal way. He was actually just helping
people who are undertaking this process that'skind of scary and stressful and you don't
know how to do it. Andhe was a consultant that would help families

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navigate how to apply and get thebest results from their applications and get into
the schools that they wanted to getinto. But all above board, nothing
illegal. Yeah, I feel likewe have to clarify that nowadays. Yeah,
you kind of do college admissions.That world is rough, especially if

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you've got a list of school andall that good stuff. So to have
somebody, I mean, it makesperfect sense, like Okay, yeah,
let's go ahead and make an appointmentwith this guy. We'll just see what
he has to say. Maybe hehas some tips. You know, he
might not even have been you know, doing all the paperwork, but just
really doing these like guideline appointments,which that's great college counselor, but like

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he actually could help you and notjust say you're going to fill this out
and mail it in. He'll helpyou do the paperwork. You come to
the office and fill it out withhim, which is pretty cool, right
absolutely. I mean there's a lotof kids. I don't know what everybody's
experiences, but I know most peopleI know and myself really didn't have much
guidance from anybody in our high schoolhelping us with getting into college. They

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were kind of just like, Okay, you should really apply to colleges,
here's some deadlines, go do it. And so with him, he can,
like you said, he's the personthat's the expert. He knows what
information that the families need. Heknows how to navigate the process and give
them all the steps and the guidelines. He's the expert in it, and

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he's an ally and an advocate forthese kids who want to take that next
step but just don't know how.So I mean, I think that it's
really admirable what he was doing.He seemed like he just really loved kids
and wanted to make a difference intheir lives and help them. Robin was

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extremely passionate about helping kids, sohe was also a coach and the director
for the Regent Soccer Club. Bethand Robin had three children, two boys
named Ezra and Jonah, and thenan adopted daughter named Miriam, who they

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called Mimi. Over time, Bethfound her calling as a family medicine physician
and began working at the wing RoughFamily Medical Center. Her workplace was located
on campus of the University of Wisconsin, and the hospital was run by their

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Department of Family Medicine and Community Health. Colleagues recall that she could often be
found on her lunch break sitting onthe bench in the outdoor arboretum of the
UW campus. It's pretty cool thatyou can just go to lunchbreak in an
outdoor arboretum. Yeah, it wasjust a little special calm spot. I'm

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sure that all day long being adoctor, I mean, is just so
stressful, and that was her wayof just sitting out there breathing, having
some calm down time, and doingself care. Basically, Beth was multilingual
and fluently spoke both French and Sanish. Her fluency in multiple languages made her

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just a priceless asset in treating patientsfrom diverse backgrounds. Beth was able to
provide clarity for some of the nonEnglish speaking patients that her fellow doctors just
weren't able to speak with and carefor because of language barrier. So many

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patients that saw her that did notEnglish was not their first language, and
they met her and they just adoredher, and she had lifelong patients just
because she could communicate with them,which I just think that's really cool.
Absolutely, It's just it really doeswarm my heart because you know, you

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and I both have medical issues,and knowing that you're seeing a doctor that's
not really speaking your language, youknow, and I just mean in the
sense of explaining things to you inlayman's terms, like that's hard enough.
Thinking of walking into a situation withour health issues and not even speaking the

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same language. As my doctor isjust absolutely terrifying, and it was just
such a powerful thing for people tobe able to have an open dialogue with
a doctor because some of the otherdoctors in the area just weren't able to
really get their information and ask oranswer their questions, or you know,

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really treat them with all the informationbecause they didn't speak the same language.
So she really had a special skillof not only being multilingual, but also
just having so much compassion as well. Yeah, I agree she was special,
Yes, by all accounts. Justeveryone said how kind and special and

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loving and caring she was. Yeah. In twenty sixteen, she was named
the medical director of Employee Health Servicesfor UW Health. She became a highly
respected teacher and mentored hundreds of studentsthroughout her years at the facility. Her

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teaching focused on evidence based medicine,wellness, women's health, and how emerging
technologies can be used today to advancemedical education. In her free time,
she pursued her interest in spirituality bystudying to become a zen priest. She

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had a friend who said that youknow, if you knew her, you
knew so much about her. Shewas such a nice person, but then
you got to know like there wasan entire higher other side of her that
she's studying to be a zen priest, and you just didn't really expect that.
And it was one of the thingsabout Beth. It was like the
layers you peel the onion, andthere's always something more interesting there. Yeah.

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Absolutely, she seems like she's justgot a hand on everything. She's
got so many interests and she's doingall these things at once. She's capable
of being you know, a businesswoman, a doctor or top in her field,
but also she's a mom, she'staking care of her kids, she's
a wife, she's also becoming azen priest. She's interested in a spiritual

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quest. I mean, I thinkthat that's really powerful and speaks to just
how focused and dedicated and driven andvery you know, unique and diverse just
within herself. All her interests arereally impressive. YEP in twenty seventeen was
part of a pilot program that heldgroup therapy visits for patients suffering from chronic

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pain. While other doctors were treatingthese patients physical needs. The group therapy
setting allowed people to basically just sharetheir experience with their peers and share their
pain management strategies. It was alsoan outlet that helped patients who basically just

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felt alone battling their condition to justsocialize with peers who understood what they were
going through and could offer support toeach other. That was probably such a
successful program for the people that werein it, and they might not have
even known it at the time,but looking back, what a wonderful way

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to treat that because they can bounceideas off each other and nothing else.
You're out of your home and you'rethinking about something else, even if you're
still talking about it, you're notthinking about the pain you're in that second,
right, absolutely, I mean,I think it's incredibly powerful because being
in pain, having health issues isso incredibly isolating, and it's so emotionally

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painful to endure physical pain on adaily basis. So just being able to
get together with a group of peoplethat understand what you're going through, that
speak the same language, and justcan understand right away if you say something,
they're like, yes, that's myexperience too. It really, I
think is a powerful thing. AndBeth spearheaded this movement so that all these

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people could have mutual support and couldhave this group therapy that I think is
just completely invaluable. I just can'timagine how powerful that experience is. Yeah.
Robin and Beth's daughter, Miriam orMini, attended Madison West High School

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and had a boyfriend who was aneighteen year old high school senior named Carrie
Sandford. Cary was the oldest ofsix children who was very social and very
active in various school activities. Moststudents knew him because he was a stellar

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athlete who had been a receiver andcaptain of the football team since his freshman
year. I mean, for highschool football, that's pretty good. You're
a freshman captain, leet receive.Oh, it's great. It's great,
star quarterback, freshman, you knowthat kind of thing. Receiver always great,
pretty big deal. He's got tobe a really amazing athlete to have

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that in his freshman year. Soit's pretty impressive, and everybody knew him
for it. It's nothing else.It'll make you popular, that's for sure.
Right, even if you can't gopro. I mean, you're going
to have a lot of friends.You can tell everyone about it the rest
of your life too, right,right, exactly, the al Bundy if

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you will. For reasons unknown,Cary's mother, Ronetta Sandford, was not
his primary caregiver. He had beenin foster care, but Carry was so
determined to work towards having a brightand successful future despite this difficult upbringing that

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he had. Cary had been aWanda full More intern during the summer of
twenty nineteen and did his internship inthe Madison City Council office. He was
the vice president of the Black StudentUnion or bs you, and he planned

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to major in political science and AfricanAmerican history. He was eagerly awaiting responses
from multiple colleges that he had appliedto. This kid is on a track.
He wants to go to college.He's got everything leading up to it.

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I hate to say guarantee, butI almost guarantee you that Robin was
instrumental in this, that he waswaiting for these responses, one hundred percent.
That's exactly the first thing I thoughtwas, Oh, he applied to
a bunch of colleges. He musthave had Robin's help. I mean,
I just can't imagine that Miriam's fatherwouldn't help her boyfriend. They seemed like

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they were a tight knit family.It seems like he was interacting with them
quite frequently, and that's Robin's mission. So of course he would help him,
especially since he's got so much goingfor him with his athletics and his
extra curriculars and everything. You know. Yeah, definitely, it's not like
they have to make something out ofnothing. He's got stuff to put on

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an application. Absolutely. Although Carrywas clearly very driven and he was very
focused on his goals, he wasalso a typical teenager who sometimes had trouble
being responsible and could also be abit rebellious. His fellow in turns say

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that he was immature and hard totrack down when they had to have meetings.
In late twenty nineteen, while Cary'sfoster parents went on a trip to
Africa, they left Cary alone atthe home where he'd been living with them.

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While they were away, he disabledtheir home security system, stole their
car, and was later arrested whenhe was found sleeping inside the stolen car.
So frustrating because we were all rootingfor you Carry. Yeah, it's

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so so much. Yeah, hejust sounds like such an amazing kid and
everything was going right and then allof a sudden, it was just like,
what did you go to do thatfor? Like come on, you're
so close to being out. Yeah, you're getting to that age where like
all you have to do is holdit together a little bit longer and then
you're off to college. Yeah.And you know, it's interesting because now

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you know, a lot of peoplelike his mother, his biological mom,
tries to say that, you know, this was all just a great,
big misunderstanding, you know, ofcourse, like, oh, this was
just they said he could take thecar, they said it'd be fine,
but they still called the police,you know what I mean, Like,
right, obviously there was an issue. Yeah, maybe there was a misunderstanding

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about he knew the alarm code.Maybe that's the misunderstanding. I'm not but
there's definitely no misunderstanding that they didcall the police and sought for charges,
right. Absolutely. Apparently carry alsohad a fascination with weapons, and around

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this time there were cell phone picturestaken of Cary holding a glock handgun pointed
at the camera. So, Idon't know, I mean, it's a
little disturbing. There's something going onthere, And maybe it's just as simple
as he's just kind of sick ofbeing the good guy athlete and he wants

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to do something a little outside thebox. I don't know, he's trying
to be the bad boy or something, and maybe it's all for show.
There's just no way to know whatwas going through his head. But it
seems like around this time there wasjust kind of a series of events that
made it seem like he was havinga little bit of a rough time keeping

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his squeaky clean history going. Youknow. Yeah, it seems like starting
in around the summer of twenty nineteenforward, there's some issues and it's not
really clear, you know, exactlywhat, but it is safe to say
that he was not good with beingthe athlete or the smart guy, or

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he definitely wanted to also be likeyou know, street cred, you know,
just a little bit of something alittle more salacious than freshman captain of
the football team. Right, It'sjust a little too squeaky clean for him.
Yeah, I think so. Andthere's also the possibility and maybe we'll
find out more in the trial.I mean, I think sometimes especially when

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kids go through a rough upbringing andhe's in this foster home, there's a
possibility something happened with his mom,you know, like he thought that he
was going to be back in hismom's care and then whatever the situation is
with her, she wasn't able totake care of him. Something could have
happened in the foster home, Itcould have happened with his biological parent.

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We don't know, but it seemslike something was going awry around this time.
Whether he was just sick of beingon the straight narrow, or if
there was something emotional going on andhe was acting out, but clearly there
was a change. In February twentytwenty, he was accepted into a deferred

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prosecution program in relation to those autotheft charges from his foster parents. According
to his Facebook, as recent asMarch twenty twenty, he had been selling
video games and consoles online to makemoney. As we all know. Of

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course, the pandemic and the ensuingchaos started to reach every American city starting
around this time in February, andthen by March, everyone was formulating their
quarantine plans for their families. SoRobin and Beth had special circumstances to consider

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since Beth actually had an immune disorderand she took a medication that made her
at greater risk of infection. Theinitial information coming out about the pandemic caused
a lot of people in high riskgroups like Beth, to begin working from

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home or take time off, hopingthe coronavirus would pass quickly and that things
would get back to normal. Beingin the medical community, though, Beth
was in a difficult situation, andalthough everyone at her work of course began
taking all the precautions, their entirefamily was concerned and taking the situation very

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seriously. Knowing that Beth was atsuch a high risk, Robin began self
quarantining just absolutely immediately, and hewas hoping to keep his wife healthy.
As a medical practitioner, Beth understoodthe circumstances well and she took it to

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heart, and she began a verystrict quarantine lifestyle. Since Beth had a
compromised immune system, her and Robindecided that it would be best for their
family members to adhere to any andall CDC advice. With Beth being high

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risk, it had to be thefamily's priority to keep her healthy, and
since social distancing was required, theywere going to support her as a family
and follow all the safety recommendations andguidelines. So Robin and Beth decided that
their family should all quarantine at theirhouse without any exposure to anyone other than

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their immediate family members. I mean, this was like a meeting. You
know, Okay, this is whatwe're gonna do. This is how we're
gonna play it. Monkey gets sick. You know that you understand that you
love your mother. Therefore we asa whole are going to take care of
your mom. And it's a wholeand that's it. That's all we're doing
now. I mean, we alldid this in February and March, you

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know, of course, because it'skind of like most of us had one
loved one at least that had somesort of compromised issue, you know what
I mean, like if you haveelderly grandparents, if you have some sort
of immuno suppression yourself, or let'ssay, high blood pressure, diabetes,

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any of these quote unquote pre existingconditions. You know, like if you
have something going on. We allknow someone that's like that, you know,
So we all kind of took itto heart and thought, what are
we going to do, not justfor ourselves, but to make sure that
this doesn't affect the people we love. And so they made a plan,

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like everybody was doing around that time, to just really be strict and isolate,
take all the precautions, and makekeeping Beth safe a priority. And
it had to be a family goaland objective. It had to be a
plan that everybody adhered to, otherwiseit doesn't work. Yeah. So Miriam's

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boyfriend Cary had also been living inthe Potter car family home since December twenty
nineteen, so he was expected,of course, to follow the same exact
rules that everybody else quarantining in thehouse was following. And first of all,
this is probably a sidebar that wedon't need to go into, but

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I'm going to say it. Iam very uncomfortable with anyone who lets their
teenager have their significant other stay withthem. Is that something? Am I
tripping? No? And I wantto be cool and be like, oh
no, I totally but no,you're right, You're right. There's something
not a good idea, and there'sgot to be obviously, you know,

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he's in foster care, he's dependinga ton of the time with this family
already, Like I kind of seehow this situation happened, doesn't really make
it okay, But then you throwin pandemic and it's the perfect you know
how this could happen? Completely seeit but he was already living there since
December, And I'm with you,I would not allow my eighteen My daughter

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is seventeen, she's a miner,right, and her boyfriend is eighteen,
and now I'm going to let himlive here. It just doesn't sit with
me, right. And maybe I'mold fashioned, we are, no,
maybe I'm prude. I don't know, but like, I can't imagine going
to my parents as a seventeen yearold and be like, hey, so

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I'm dating this person. You knowthis person. I think they should just
live here now he spends the nightall the time. Anyway, he might
as well just have a parking space. That is how it goes. It's
like, yeah, he can lockhis bike up in our garage, now,
is that okay? I don't knowit either, So I don't know.

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Like, it just seems like they'reincredibly lenient parents to begin with,
and I'm on board with so manyof the things that they're doing. I'm
not trying to shit on them.I think they're great people, working towards
really amazing things for their community anda lot of the kids around them.
But I just think this is nota decision that I would have made for

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my child. No, it justdoesn't seem right. I think that this
is exactly how all the seasons ofsixteen and Pregnant start. You said it,
I was already thinking it. Yeah. It's also one of those like
Okay, so you sit down andyou're like, Okay, we promise he's
gonna fall all the rules, andit's all. But it's like you're still

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talking to a seventeen year old kidand today they say this, but tomorrow
it's like, oh, well,we didn't mean it anyway. Well we
said that, you know what Imean. It's like right, So it's
not even like you can say fallowrules because you know it's not gonna work
out, Like it might be greattoday, but tomorrow it's not gonna work
right. And I can totally understandthe instinct of you know, if I

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know someone's in foster care and youknow the foster system is not working for
them, it's hurting them, Iwould definitely be like, Okay, comes
to with us, but I wouldtry and make some arrangement where they're not
staying in the same room or like, I don't know something, okay.
Not only that you've got two othermale children in the house, who this

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is their example that this is okay. And then you've also got the fact
that this kid, it's a verybizarre decision because you know that he's been
kicked out and charged and charged byhis foster parents, and then instead it's
like, oh no, we can'tjust let him, you know, learn

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from his actions and maybe have tolive on the street or find another place
to live. No, go aheadand come in here and and you know,
be safe while we get through allyour you know, proceedings. It's
a very strange time to allow someoneto come into your home unless he has
nowhere else to go, and itis framed to you that way, right.

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I can definitely see Robin and Beththinking or being told that he has
no other options and them giving intothat. But I just don't feel comfortable
with it, you know, Ithink that that was a really bad decision,
and especially in light of his issueswith the law and behavioral problems,

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like a punishment and consequences are neededwhen something like that happens, not just
from the law but just as aparent. So you know what, you
messed up? Why don't you doX, Y and Z, And we
will reevaluate this situation in a monthfrom now, you know what I mean,
let him earn it. But insteadit just seems so easy for him

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to be like, oh, thingsare going well over there because they say
that I stole the car, soI'm going to come hang out here.
And then he's now sleeping in herbedroom, not even with one of the
brothers, but sleeping in her bedroom, not on the couch. I mean,
that doesn't make sense, and Ithink it's just a bad call.

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And all these amazing things they're doing, it doesn't take away from that,
but I think this is an instancewhere they made a mistake, and I
just think it's worth pointing out thatI don't think that was the right way
to handle this situation. No,so, even though Carry and Mimi were

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supposed to follow the same rules aseverybody else, they'd all figured it out
as a family and they were tryingto keep best safe. The problem was
that the two of them had decidedthat they were just not going to follow
her parents social distancing guidelines. Miriamand Carry both continue to come and go

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from the house, still socializing withfriends and having no concern for anyone else's
health or safety, despite the factthat Beth and Robin were just very supportive
of Carry's future goals and helped himin any way that they could with college
plans. He seemed not only ungrateful, but actually flat out disrespectful. I

(38:20):
believe it. It's just so disappointingbecause we know that they were so helpful
to him, and he just turnsaround and is like, basically, I
don't give a fuck if you'd liveor die. Yeah, pretty much,
pretty much. And that's exactly howit's like explained by her friends people around
that you know, they gave youa place to live, and just the

(38:42):
disrespect was off the charts. That'sjust terrible. In fact, there actually
had been many problems in the homeregarding their teenage relationship even before he moved
in with them, which makes iteven more baffling that they said he could
move in. Family turmoil and argumentsbecame extremely common, and despite Best's efforts

(39:10):
to put on a brave face,people could see that she was pretty stressed
and anxious all the time. Bethshared with family and friends that she was
having real trouble with her daughter Miriam, and she didn't know what to do
long term about Carry living there.She had previously expressed to people that she

(39:36):
felt like Cary was blatantly disrespectful toher, but because her health was at
risk now, she just had totake action and do something about it.
Due to Miriam and Carry's lack ofrespect for the rules in her home,
Beth decided to essentially kind of kickthem out, but in the nicest way

(40:00):
possible. And again, this isan instance where I just think they were
too soft. I think, youknow, you again got to have consequences
if you're not following the rules,then you have to go back to your
home. Yeah, and she hasto be grounded or something. You know,
there's got to be some sort ofconsequences for not taking the safety precautions

(40:22):
that are necessary in a fucking pandemic. Yeah, And I mean the option
that she comes up with is somethingthat would never have entered my brain.
Right, it is no option.The option is stay in the goddamn house,
or you get the hell out andgo somewhere else. Right, it's
your options. So basically, shedecided that the only option was to rent

(40:49):
them an Airbnb apartment for the teencouple to stay in together, while Beth
and Robin would just remain at thefamily home. With their two other children
who were actually following the quarantine protocol. And this really does sound like the
plot of a kids movie, right, Yeah, it sounds like blank check.

(41:13):
Yeah. I mean, in manyways, it just seems like this
is how a lot of comedies.This is how like you know, Super
Bad Part two would start. Yeah, definitely. So basically, it's like
their parents are rewarding them for notfollowing the rules. They're basically getting extra

(41:35):
privileges and this sweet little crash padfor doing the wrong thing and not listening
and not protecting their family members.It just doesn't make any sense to me.
On top of getting them their ownplace to stay, they also even
gave the couple the keys to theirwhite Volkswagen minivan for them to use while

(42:00):
they were staying at the airbnb.And this is really just it's a teenage
dream for every angsty team girl witha boyfriend, getting to play house with
no responsibilities to anyone, no jobto go to. You can just hang
out and just chill with your boyfriendall day and night. And you know

(42:21):
that they had money given to them, a gas card. There's just no
responsibility. They just get everything handedto them, and that's just no way
for them to learn how to behealthy adults. No, they're never going
to learn anything from this except thatmom will take care of it. Yeah.
Absolutely. And if I have aproblem nice to her. I don't

(42:43):
even have to like her. Idon't even have to talk nice things.
I don't have to lie and sayhello, good morning, how are you.
I'd just be like, hey,bitch, I'm taking your car and
going here with my boyfriend. Like, oh my god, that worked.
Yeah. Absolutely. They don't evenhave to follow the rules. They don't
have to be respectful. They don'thave to do anything. They could be

(43:04):
on their absolute worst behavior and becompletely disrespectful and disregard the safety of others
and still get rewarded for it.It just doesn't make sense. So,
just before Madison West High was closeddue to COVID nineteen, another student had

(43:28):
overheard a conversation between Miriam and Carrieduring ceramics class. They were discussing various
ideas of how they could get somemoney quickly. And apparently that's just crazy
to me because they already have aplace to stay, a car, and

(43:49):
if they need more money, itseems like they just want to go shopping.
They want to have a wild shoppingsfree post a bunch of new items
on Instagram or some bullshit. Thisis totally done for the Graham. It's
just incredibly privileged. So they cantake a video of Miriam thrown bills in

(44:10):
the air and like by Don Parigionor some shit, you know what I
mean. It's like this is thisis a rabidio is what they're wanting to
envision, like for real, that'swhere this is going, right. They
want to live out some I don'tknow, just rich fantasy and it just

(44:30):
it doesn't make sense. It reallyis disturbing that they've got everything, they've
got all the privilege, and they'restill not satisfied. The witness heard Miriam
tell Kari that her parents had bandsof money around their house, which of

(44:50):
course Cary took to mean that theykept thousands in cash just lying around their
home. For this, you candirectly thank Juicy J. Because there is
a song called Bands Make Her Dance, and it's all about just throwing money
strippers, right, throwing money strippersbands thousands of dollars, according to Kari

(45:13):
is a band. Bands make Hera dance? Right, Thank Juicy J
for this rap video idea that hehas come up with straight up, because
as soon as she says there arebands in my house, he they instantly
go to a thousands. Oh mygod. You know, it becomes this
whole other thing. Right. They'relike, this is the ideal that we
want to live with. We wantto get all this money and do whatever

(45:37):
we want, buy whatever we want, and that's it. Nothing else matters.
Nobody's safety, you know, yourfamily, your loved ones, none
of it matters. It's just aboutgetting the money. Yeah. On Monday,
March thirtieth, at about five thirtypm, Beth and her friend,
who anonymously goes by l G,went for a social distance walk basically around

(46:04):
the neighborhood. On their walk,Beth vented a bit to her friend about
kind of this hard time she washaving with Miriam during the pandemic. She
said that when she moved out,Miriam had told her things like, you
don't care about me, you don'ttalk to me. While Carrie remained silent,

(46:30):
Beth told LG that all the teencouple did was just sit in her
bedroom. They ordered food, andthey just barely spoke to Beth or Robin.
I mean, yeah, you gaveteen interest kings to the Kingdom.
What do you think they were goingto do? And crack the Adam?
Are you kidding me? They're orderingPostmates, staring at each other playing video

(46:52):
games right. LG said she thoughtthere were darker things going on in the
home, but Beth really just didn'tget more specific than that. She didn't
tell her specifically what she thought washappening. Her friend recalls that Best seemed

(47:14):
frustrated, which was uncharacteristic since shedidn't really get frustrated very often, so
clearly she was really struggling with this. She was stressed out, She didn't
know what to do, and shewas trying to just find a solution that
made it work and made her familyokay. You know. On the evening

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of March thirtieth, Karie and Miriam'smutual friend, eighteen year old Elijah LaRue,
came to the airbnb. Elijah wasa cashier at Hollister and he had
no criminal record, or really anyrecord at all. Around ten pm,

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Carri and Elijah drove the borrowed vanto Beth and Robin's house, and they
circled the neighborhood a few times tolook around before they pulled over and parked
in front of the house. Bethand Robin were either at this point getting

(48:23):
ready for bed or in bed atthe time, since she was actually in
her pajamas and he was just inhis underwear. Car and Elijah gained entry
to the home, and at gunpoint, they dragged the couple out from their

(48:44):
bed. The two teams began threateningto kill Beth and Robin if they didn't
give them the thousands of dollars incash that they supposedly kept in their home.
It'd be one thing if they wereboth strangers, because Elijah is just
like a kid. They don't knowhim. But to see the face Cary,

(49:06):
the kid that you have allowed tomove in done to you telling you
to give him your money, Iswear to God, I can't. Like
we always say, oh, Ican't imagine, this one is just the
horror, you know, I imaginetheir face is just the shock of just
like, what are you doing?Like we did everything for you, use

(49:30):
we set you up for your future, We took you in, we helped
you get into school, and nowyou're holding a gun to us. Yeah,
we're waiting for college results to comeback. Like you have apps out
what are you doing right anyway,It's just it's yeah, it's just heartbreaking.

(49:51):
I'm sure that just it just washedover them, like, oh my
god, we put our faith inthis kid, we helped him out,
we took him in, and andthis is this is what goes on,
this is how it ends up.That's just it doesn't make any sense.
So Beth and Robin either sincerely didn'tkeep money around the house or they said

(50:16):
they didn't have money to give them. It really is unclear. We just
don't know what happened. And maybewe'll find out in the trial, and
maybe they won't tell us. Wewon't know. But either way, the
money that Cary and Elijah expected toget was not available to them. Beth

(50:37):
and Robin did not give it up. Once they didn't give them the money,
Cary basically forced the couple into theirown van that they had lent to
him. Ungrateful, I know,the teams drove the couple to the Arboretum

(51:01):
and forced them out of a vanat the intersection of Arboretum Drive and North
Wing Red Drive. Cary shot themboth in the back of the head with
a three fifty seven glock at veryclose range. Beth was also shot in

(51:23):
the shoulder, either because she wasmoving and trying to run, or because
Cary was possibly just shaking nervously andhe missed the intended target. Once he
had shot both of them in thehead, the teens left Miriam's parents just
lying in a ditch. Around elevenfifteen PM, a woman living near the

(51:51):
arboretum called police to report that shehad heard a single gunshot and then a
pause, and then four or fivemore gunshots. Just moments later, Cary
and Elijah left the arboretum and droveback to the neighborhood of the airbnb that
Beth and Robin had rented for them. It just blows my mind, like

(52:17):
my blood is boiling. I getmore pissed every time. Yeah. On
Tuesday morning, March thirty, first, around six am, there were two
separate joggers in the area and theywere out running in this thirty degree weather
when they separately noticed these bodies inthe ditch. That is serious addiction to

(52:46):
jogging thirty degrees. I'm like,that's love. And I'm like, no,
that's that's an addict. Oh mygod, you must really enjoy jogging.
Yeah, And it's just got tobe such a night mayor, you
know. I'm sure they have.I hope they're getting help and getting therapy,
because I would have just flashbacks andall sorts of trauma and struggles to

(53:10):
just stumble upon this gruesome scene.It's just unbearable. So they're out jogging,
they find the bodies, and bothof them called nine on one to
report that they had seen two bodieslying on the shoulder of the road covered
in blood. Police responded to thescene and found Robin lying face down,

(53:36):
unresponsive. He was pronounced dead atthe scene. Beth was still clinging to
life when first responders arrived, sothey rushed her to the hospital, but
just sadly, she died of herinjuries a short time later. So heartbreaking.

(54:01):
Robin had been only one to threefeet away from the shooter and was
only wearing a pair of underwear andno shoes when he was found. Beth
was wearing pajamas and also no shoes. Blood spatter, pooling and shell casings

(54:22):
were found at the scene, confirmingthat both victims had been shot in the
ditch where they were found. Veryquickly, police believed that this was not
a random attack and that the couplehad been targeted for murder. After the

(54:44):
shootings, initial media reports said thatone of the victims had died, but
the second victim was taken to thehospital and was still alive, and of
course this sent Carry into a completespiral. He thinking that the survivor could
identify him, or maybe Elijah couldpossibly wrap them both out. That would

(55:07):
be a rough day in Carrie's mind. Yeah, he was just in a
tizzy thinking that, oh this isit, you know there, someone's going
to come after me because they knowwho I am. Cary randomly showed up
at a friend from school's house completelyfrantic. He began pacing and sweating heavily

(55:30):
while explaining that he had shot andkilled the two people. I can't imagine
what was going through this friend's mind. No, absolutely, just just oh
okay, keep talking. I meanyou just opened the door and he just
starts spewing all this out. It'sunreal. I just vision like he just

(55:52):
comes in, just singing juicy jI thought they headvanceadvance bans make it dance
like I I just don't. Istill, I'll never get we can just
understand this, We'll move forward.I will never understand how a conversation in
ceramics class became a murder plot.But these things happen. This is how
it happens. It has to startsomewhere. Why not homeroom? Right,

(56:15):
it's crazy. Right, So we'veseen a lot of different cases, but
a lot of times you still endup surprised. No matter how many true
crime cases you have research, lookedinto, listen to covered, it still
just shocks you sometimes. So whilehe's at this friend's house, he's just

(56:37):
pacing around frantically gesticulating, while explainingthat his biggest worry was that there may
be a survivor. Not that he'sfreaking out that he killed someone, but
just the idea that someone could identifyhim. Yeah, he's not worried about
that. It's just awful. Thefriend then overheard car make a phone call

(57:00):
to Elijah. On the call,the witness heard Carries say to Elijah quote,
I swear I hit them. Howdid they survive? Okay, he
needs to stop talking out loud firstof all, right, go somewhere else
and make these phone calls, notin front of someone. Someone needs to

(57:22):
duct tape his mouth clothes because thisis just what is he doing? Yeah?
Not good. The phone conversation alsodetailed again that he was scared one
of the parents had survived and couldpossibly tell the tale that would implicate them.
When he hung up the phone,he confessed to the friend that he

(57:44):
had shot them both at the arboretumquote in the back of the head,
revealing information that wasn't even public atthat point. This is what makes me
think that once this goes to trial, we'll find out all the detail because
these two, I mean, theytold everybody. They just chat chat chat.

(58:05):
Yeah. I think that we're goingto have a lot more information coming
directly from them. Yeah. Hethen mentioned that their mutual friend, Elijah
LaRue, was with car during theshootings. This friend went to the police
and told detectives everything he could,including the information that police hadn't released yet,

(58:30):
so they instantly know that this hadto be the killer. When police
notified Best's father that she had beenmurdered, his very first reaction was to
ask, quote, did Mimi's frienddo it? Oh? Let's just that

(58:52):
is devastating. Yeah, just thatthey knew that, they immediately the first
instinct that it was Cary her dad. Yeah, it says so much.
When they confirmed that Cary was indeeda suspect. Her father then told police

(59:15):
about the arguments they had in thepast. When questioned, Miriam told detectives
that Cary had been at the airbnbwith her at the time of the shooting
and they were just, you know, being kids hanging out there and that
was it, not a care inthe world. She told the officers that

(59:37):
they had watched the Hangover two andthat they hadn't left the airbnb at all
after around ten fifteen pm. Miriamtold detectives that she loved her boyfriend Cary
and that she was extremely loyal tohim. It really seems very cold because

(01:00:02):
her parents just died, and youknow, who knows what she was saying
about her parents. Of course,it's easy to pick out a quote about
her boyfriend and not them. Maybeshe was acting distraught. I don't know,
but it seems like you don't reallyneed to say that. Just tell
them the alibi, let them tryand confirm it, leave it at that

(01:00:28):
and mourn your parents. If you'rereally trying to defend your boyfriend and say
how loyal and how much you lovehim and how grady is, it makes
him look like more of a suspect. Yeah, not Good. Police interviewed
Cary and Elijah, who were awareof aware that Carry's friend had already told

(01:00:51):
police that he had confessed to thekillings. Simple investigation into Carry's cell phone
GPS day has showed that he hadbeen driving Best's van nearer the victim's home,
then to the arboretum where the bodieswere found. There's just a direct

(01:01:13):
link. You can just follow themand know that they picked them up at
the house and drove them out tothe murder sites. And they have no
reason to be at the arboretum,no reason, not at all. You're
not driving by it, We're notgetting Postmates, and they're bringing Postmates to
you. Why are you near thearboretum? Right when Elijah allowed police to

(01:01:38):
check his phone, his GPS datashowed that he was also in a vehicle
that circled Best's house multiple times,then traveled to the Arboretum the night of
the murders. Shocking, absolutely sothat both of them were there. You
can totally confirm. It's just unbelievableto me that they didn't think about this,

(01:02:05):
that this was just yeah, thisis disturbing. The van was also
seen on various surveillance videos driving throughthe area of Beth and Robin's home,
and then at the arboretum. Andthis was all happening at the times in

(01:02:29):
question when the murders were taking place. And of course, examination of Miriam
and Cary's phones revealed that they weretexting each other the entire time that they
were supposedly at the Airbnb watching amovie together. According to Miriam's alibi provided

(01:02:52):
for Cary, yeah, they werewatching The Hangover to Bangkok. Has him
now, right? That's what Itold us? Yeah, I remember,
okay. So the text exchange justclearly proved that Miriam's story that they were
at the Airbnb watching the movie atthe time of the murders just wasn't true
in any way, shape or form. They would not be texting each other

(01:03:15):
and the content of the text wouldnot be what it was if they were
together. So, while they weresupposedly at home together according to her story,
at eleven o two pm, shewas texting Cary, quote, at
least bring the car back and havesomeone get you from here. I don't

(01:03:35):
feel safe here. Another text readsquote, why would you put me in
this position. At the same timeof that text exchange, Elijah's phone payed
his location at the Arboretum, soshe was texting with him at the time

(01:03:58):
that he was murdering her parents.Prince Yeah, and they weren't supposed to
have left after ten fifteen. Unreal. At eleven twenty two, Miriam texted
a friend that quote Huncho, whichwas Elijah's nickname, had gotten to the
apartment and that he had quote gotinto a situation. Four minutes later,

(01:04:25):
she writes to the friend again.This time she says, quote, I
want to cry right now. ButI'm also in an apartment with them.
It's literally two and a half rooms, So that is fun. Oh,
you're having fun, You're having agreat time. It's just yeah, I
can't imagine keep going. It's justit's just we will never be able to

(01:04:49):
reconcile this. It just doesn't makesense in my head. I know,
she's just talking like a typical teenager, like nothing just happened when her parents
were just murdered by her boyfriend.How do you have this kind of conversation
via text? They're young and like, that's what we'll say because there's nothing

(01:05:12):
else that we will be okay with. So they're young and dumb, and
even at that age, I justcan't imagine a world where this happens to
me, and I don't just immediatelyleave the apartment, even walk somewhere to
a neighbor's house or something and sayI need you. I need to call
nine one one. I need tobe sowhere safe something. This murder just

(01:05:35):
happened and I need to get theauthorities. I can't imagine just casually texting
my friend in an annoyed teenage attitudekind of way. Yeah, it will.
It will never compute with me.A neighbor living in the neighborhood of

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the airbnb told police that they hadseen two people disposing of items in a
wooded area nearby. When police investigatedthis claim, they found crumpled pieces of
mail that were addressed to Beth.There was also a cell phone that had

(01:06:18):
been obviously broken and then left there. Eventually, the friend from ceramics class
also came forward to tell the policeabout the conversation overheard about Miriam's rich parents.
On Friday, April third, roundeleven twenty pm, Carrie and Elijah

(01:06:43):
were arrested. Both of them weretaken to Dane County Jail and held on
one million dollars bail each. Theworking theory from prosecutors is that this started
as a burglary and then became akidnapping that ended in murder. It's a

(01:07:04):
pretty good theory. Yes. Carry'sfirst court appearance was through zoom, with
him peering through a slot in hiscell door wearing a mask. When asked
if he could hear the proceedings,he gave a thumbs up, but he
never spoke. It was decided thatCary and Elijah would have separate trials.

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Because Cary was so well known withinthe community as this really good kid and
a standout football star. Many communityleaders reached out to his attorney, offering
any help or support for him thatthey could. Unbelievable. Oh, it

(01:07:56):
just makes no sense to me.And I know that he had overcome a
lot. I know that he hada promising future, but that doesn't change
the fact that he murdered people incold blood just for the possibility of getting
money. He took his own futurefrom himself. So absolutely, you don't
need to do anything because he's alreadydestroyed it for himself. So we don't

(01:08:20):
need you to try to fix somethingthat he already broke. This was all
his responsibility and these are his consequences, and he'd experienced things before, trouble
with the law, trouble with parents, either his foster parents, biological parents,
Miriam's parents. I mean, he'sjust continuing to make these mistakes to

(01:08:43):
the point of now people have losttheir lives. He's just keeps escalating and
we really shouldn't be trying to rescuehim from his behavior when he's continued to
do this and make mistakes over andover again. Yeah, and there's a
lot of teenagers that make mistakes.There's a difference between sneaking out of your

(01:09:08):
house or sneaking a few drinks andmurdering two people in cold blood, your
girlfriend's parents. It just, yeah, I can understand wanting to help out
a kid that just made a mistake. A football star and he's normally on
the straightened arrow, but you knowwhat, he was drunken, disorderly at

(01:09:31):
a party or whatever. That's alittle bit different. That's a lot a
bit different. Yeah. Carri's attorney, Andrew Martinez says, quote, I
urge everyone to keep an open mindabout the case. And this is incredibly

(01:09:55):
disturbing to me because I don't knowwhat you want me to keep an open
mind about it. Just is hetrying to say that this was possibly like
a justifiable homicide, like he wasdefending himself or something. He shot two
unarmed, naked people in a ditchthat had previously given him shelter, support,

(01:10:16):
encouragement. I mean, there's justno way for me to have an
open mind about that. There's nothingyou can say that will make me feel
like this was justified. No,it's either gonna be that Elijah did it,
or you know, keep it openthat somehow the Potter or the Beth

(01:10:40):
and Robin had started it themselves.But it's gonna be, you know,
on Cary's end, oh Elijah didit, and Elijah's end, it's gonna
be, oh Cary did it,you know, right, So absolutely,
Elijah's attorney, Michael Covey says thatElijah quote didn't have any kind of knowledge
in any way, shape or formthat there was going to be a shooting

(01:11:04):
or a homicide. He was absolutelyin the vicinity of the shooting when it
occurred, but by that time hewas not in control of what was going
on. And I don't know,I mean, I know, we'll find
out more. And this is oneof the things that's very difficult about covering

(01:11:26):
cases that haven't gone to trial anddon't have a conclusion and we don't have
access to all this extra evidence.But there is part of me that's kind
of on this bandwagon that, youknow, I think Cary possibly just called
Elijah and said, oh, Ineed a second person to kind of strong
arm these people, and he hadno idea that Cary would escalate to this.

(01:11:53):
You know, obviously Elijah wasn't theone to pull the trigger, and
it just seems like possibly he justhad no idea. But we'll see time,
we'll tell we'll find out more,and we'll definitely follow up. But
I tend to kind of think thatthat was probably the scenario. Okay,

(01:12:15):
we'll go with it. So Elijah'sthe muscle, that's fine. But I
think, and this is just myopinion, that he probably told Elijah,
hey, we're gonna rob him.If they don't give us them, we'll
do something kidnap them'll pistol up andwhatever. I'll give you some of the
money, but I need you tohelp me control them, especially the husband,
just in case he gets crazy.But i'll give you money, don't

(01:12:39):
worry about it. So it's like, you know, you're there to do
some you know, controlling of thesituation, and if that situation gets out
of control, how do you regaincontrol? So it's like, again,
this is another young and dumb Ohit sounds like a good idea. I
don't even have to do anything.I just have to be there car,
you'll take care of it. Hemight not have even told him everything.
I see what you're saying, butI'm also like, you know exactly what

(01:13:02):
you're doing there. You drove withhim in a van to the parents house.
You could have just stayed in theball ass air VnB ordering Postmates with
our friend. I mean, seriously, they had no reason to drive over
there. So yeah, you're right. I mean, no, no,
no, I see both sides.I completely here where you see it totally.

(01:13:24):
He could be just a kid that'slike okay, let's go, and
he didn't say anything. But hewas a big dude and he brought him
for a reason. There's something inme that that thinks that I don't know,
he may have not given him thefull story and he was just like,
oh, they've been giving a ship, or maybe he was like,
oh, well, you know,they said that they would give us money

(01:13:45):
for food and I'm gonna go andpick up our weekly food money or whatever.
There's part of me that thinks thatsomething like that happened, you know.
But but you're right. If hewas there because he was supposed to
be the muscle, then he knewthat he was doing the wrong thing.
We all know that's not the rightthing to do, and we know that

(01:14:05):
those situations can escalate, and hehas to take some responsibility for that.
Because he was there, he letit escalate. He could have at any
point said, Cary, you can'tdo that, put the fucking gun away,
let's go, but he didn't.And in the eleven twenty two PM

(01:14:25):
Miriam and Cary text messages are textbetween the friends. She says, Elijah
quote got into a situation, solike, there's there's way more to this.
There's way more. But I'm withyou, we talk about it.
I know I feel bad right now, but it's my natural state is feeling

(01:14:46):
bad. But yeah, I think, you know, we've got to do
a follow up on this. One'smore information, because there's definitely more to
the story, you know. Yes, car and Elijah are both charged with
two counts of first degree murderer andthey're facing life in prison. Miriam has

(01:15:08):
not been charged with any crime,which is interesting to me because I feel
like at minimum there should be obstructionof justice or something like that. They
probably want conspiracy but can't get ituntil the text messages, if there's emails,
conversations from school. They're going todo the background. They'll do that

(01:15:31):
like work and find out that,yeah, there's all this stuff leading up
to it. You know there is. I mean, come on, yeah,
this is inevitable. And I justcan't believe that, Like kids this
young aren't thinking about things like surreillancecamera, Google, paying maps and you
know all this stuff. I mean, they have grown up in this time.

(01:15:53):
I could see somebody light the guyfrom last week, David Anthony not
I mean he's an idiot, butlike not again about security cameras and stuff,
but I mean the cloud. Hello, like McFly and the whole time
he's been alive, there's been acloud. There's been this stuff. It's
not like you know, when wehad cassette tapes and you know all you

(01:16:14):
have to think about that right now. It's it's this is totally It just
makes no sense. There's gonna bea pay per trow. They're texting the
entire time they're doing this. Yeah, it is absolutely baffling to me that
they didn't think about cameras and theydidn't think about cell phone records and GPS.
Yes, it really doesn't make sensefor you know, anybody that's you

(01:16:40):
know, our generation or younger thatwouldn't think about those things. Yeah,
and again it's not like I'm rootingfor them to get away with it,
but it's just always so baffling tome that people don't understand that, that
they think they'll just fly under theradar when they're leaving little breadcrumbs every where.

(01:17:00):
Makes no sense. Cary's mother starteda go fund me to raise one
hundred thousand dollars for her son's bailmoney, but the page was removed for
violating standards after raising only three hundredand seventy five dollars on the page.

(01:17:23):
Rosetta said that Cary wanted justice forBeth and Robin, the two people he
says he viewed as his parents andhad played a vital role in his life.
He has described as quote a verycaring, sweet and loving teddy who

(01:17:44):
wouldn't hurt let alone murder any humanbeing. And it seems like, you
know, everybody that supports Cary reallyis denying that the evidence even exists,
because there's obviously video, GPS,cell phone records, all this stuff that

(01:18:06):
it just proves that he was thereand he did this, and people don't
want to hear it. If theysupport him one hundred percent, they just
do not even take it into account. Fake news, you know, no,
can't be real, like that's allthat's how they're looking at it.
That's my least favorite praise. Ohgod, I know, I know,

(01:18:28):
I'm sorry. I didn't even meanto say it, but it just applies.
Oh continue. So on a sidenote, Wisconsin has a truth in
bail requirement, meaning there's no tenpercent bond and the bail is actually the
full one million dollars, So theywould need nine hundred thousand dollars more than

(01:18:50):
that one hundred thousand dollars go fundme that they asked for. I thought
that was an interesting tidbit, bythe way, Yeah, let's ask for
one hundred grand even though the statedoesn't even you know, it's like this
is not for bail side, right. Just that was something that I caught
onto continue. Madison Police Chief KristenRoman said quote, it was calculated,

(01:19:13):
cold blooded, and senseless. Wewill continue to do all we can to
get justice for Robin and Beth,their family, and their loved ones.
A friend and a twenty year patientof Beth's named Richard Kilmer said that quote,
it's such a terrible waste of thesebeautiful people. Yeah. UW Department

(01:19:41):
of Family Medicine and Community Health createdthe Beth Potter and Robin Carr Memorial Fund
after the murders. They would liketo raise one hundred thousand dollars for the
fund and an additional fifteen thousand dollarsfor a commemorative tree, memorial bench,
and a stainless steel leaf that willhang on a trellis that connects the Native

(01:20:05):
Plant Garden to the Long Necker Gardens, all to remember Beth in the arboretum
she loved so much. Other moneyraised will support the Beth Potter Scholarship for
Department of Family Medicine and Community Health, enabling chief residents to attend leadership training

(01:20:28):
focused on wellness and resiliency in Beth'shonor. I think that's a very fitting
tribute. It is really beautiful thatthey're trying to accomplish some things to just
carry on her legacy and ensure thatfuture students and future doctors are still aware
of the way that she touched people, in the way that she affected her

(01:20:54):
patients lives. You know, yeah, this one just really just like,
yeah, we're both at the sametime. It's just senseless, you know,
just sad. And I know thateverybody, okay, no, nobody
has experienced what we're going through rightnow with the pandemic. And I do

(01:21:16):
think that there are a lot ofyoung people, teenagers. Their entire life
just got upended. And when you'rea teenager, your life is the only
one that matters. It's your world. Everyone else just lives here. And
so for this to be happening,maybe you know, your high school,
senior, the college, it alljust ended everything, you know, and

(01:21:38):
you don't know when it's coming back. And I can't imagine what that does
to you. But there is noreason good enough to kill your parents.
It's unbelievable. And I don't knowif there's an angle too, I don't
want it. It's like, Iknow she was adopted. I don't know
what age she was adopted, butI don't know if you know, maybe

(01:22:00):
there's some sort of like a compartmentalizationwith that. Who knows, because the
way that she also, you know, was speaking to Beth in the end,
it is like, you don't eventalk to me, you don't even
pay attention to me, And it'slike it seems that Beth was trying and
this girl is just kind of fadinga way into the background. She said
her boyfriend she's too cool for herparents. Now you know, she's a
teenage girl. But um man,I don't know. It's just interesting too

(01:22:27):
that he's in foster care, kindof a broken home. She's adopted,
and they found each other. Andthe two boys, you know, their
their biological children are with family,and God, that's just like, you
can't even imagine your adopted sister's boyfriendmurdered your parents. God, damn,
where do you go from there?I know, therapy. You go straight
to your therapist office. That's where. Yes, absolutely, I hope those

(01:22:50):
boys are. Yeah, I'm surethey are. Their mother was a stellar
doctor, so yeah, I wouldimagine that, you know, the family
they come from, the other peoplearound them and loved ones would encourage them
to seek out the healing that theyneed. But yeah, there's got to
be some bonding that happens, becausecar and Miriam definitely don't have the exact

(01:23:14):
same story, but have that disconnectionwhere there is some separation from their biological
parents, and that's not something thatcommonly kids go through. So if you're
a teenager and you meet someone rightat your own age that's went through the
same thing, and you know,you both think each other a cute,
you're kind of going to gravitate towardseach other, you know. So,

(01:23:36):
I mean, I think there wasprobably a really strong bond there, but
then they both kind of just wentoff the rails, you know, and
went on to this path of reallyacting out some awful things. And I
think this is just incredibly, likeyou said, senseless, And it's disturbing

(01:23:58):
that they had went after people thathad supported them and essentially for both of
them, for Miriam and Cary,they had taken them in, provided them
with a good life, and we'retrying to help instill this driven, good
work ethic to achieve their goals andgo for their dreams and get into a

(01:24:19):
good school. And both of themturned around and were so cold and calculated
and only cared about money in theirown needs, and it just I understand
that this pandemic is really hard onkids and teenagers that want to be social
and it's the most social time ofyour life and you really want to be

(01:24:43):
with your peers. But there's justnothing that excuses this extreme violence. I
can understand being a little bit rebelliousor being maybe you know, sinking into
a depression, acting out in certainways, but they both from the very
beginning were clearly going above and beyond. When it came to rebellion, they

(01:25:09):
did not give a fuck. Theywere extremely disrespectful, and then it just
got worse and worse, and Bethand Robin were giving them more and more
slack, more and more freedom,and they still kept escalating and saying we're
not satisfied with that, we wantmore, and that will just never make
sense to me. No. Andthen there's also this other angle where you

(01:25:32):
know, both of the attorneys arelike, you'll see what happens. There
could be more information, right,the other information is gonna be what was
Miriam telling Kari, because the waythey word it is, you know there's
more to come out, basically implyinglike she's telling him, Hey, you

(01:25:53):
know off my parents, I getyour boyfriend to kill your parents, and
then you just never did anything.And she hasn't even been charged with a
nothing pending, nothing at all.And I'm not saying that she you know,
built him up and told him murderher parents or anything, but I
have a feeling his attorneys and Elijah'sare going to explore that angle heavily.

(01:26:15):
And if there was anything that sheever said that could have been misinterpreted or
taken to say like, hey,hurt my parents, fuck them up,
anything, Hey they got money,we should take them something. She's done,
She is done. They are goingto hang this shit and they'll get
her on conspiracy. But I mean, again we don't know. It's all

(01:26:36):
pending, but this will be veryinteresting to see where it goes. I
have a feeling it's going to takesome time, Yeah, absolutely, I
mean with everything going on, Ithink that this will take a little while
to go to trial, and Ithink we don't really have the ability to
have the information until that happens.But I I would be really surprised if

(01:27:00):
Moore didn't come out about her involvementand if she didn't get some sort of
charges, because I just I knowin my gut that she knew what was
going on. Well, there's alsothe angle of the fact that she could
just say, all right, I'lltestify against both of them, give me
immunity, and you know, oh, I'm so loyal to my boyfriend.

(01:27:24):
Might not be as loyal as shethought in the goddamn police station, right,
But I'm telling you, like,all of a sudden, she will
have a lot to say, whetherit's I had nothing to do with it
or I had everything to do withit, And you can't get me like,
I just I don't know, thisfeels weird something. Yeah, something's
gonna come out, of course.Yeah, this is still an open case,

(01:27:45):
and it's still all you know,quote unquote allegedly, even though we
know exactly what happened through all therecords. But there's still going to be
more. There's definitely going to bemore. Yes, So maybe by the
next time that we get to letterQ will have a whole recap episode or
something. Sounds great. I wouldhope for all these cases, Yeah,

(01:28:09):
I would hope. So so onthat note, I guess you know it
could be time to get out ofhere. Do you have anything that you
wanted to bring up or um.The only thing that I can think of
right now is on HBO. Itstarted on Sunday, Murder on Middle Beach,
bait on a Connecticut murder mystery thatwe don't really know yet where it's

(01:28:30):
gonna go. I really like it. I watched the first two episodes are
available to stream on HBO, andno we're not sponsored by HBO, and
the next two episodes are going tobe the next coming Sundays. But it's
good. I really so far,it's good. I'm liking it. It's
definitely been on my list. Okay, good, I'm glad you said that,

(01:28:51):
because I was like, oh,if it's not good, I'm gonna
what Anyway, It's been on mylist and I want to get to it.
And again, I feel like Isay this a lot, but I'm
just in one of those spaces whereit's just everything is so overwhelming and sad
right now that I need to notconsume too much true crime. But I

(01:29:13):
will get to it. Come on. I'm trying to fill my brain with
as much baking shows and holiday stuffand comity, you know, just so
I can offset the pandemic depression thathas just settled in my life. Oh
yeah, it's just lingering heavily theother thing I find And this is just

(01:29:39):
stupid, mindless entertainment. Buddy versusChristmas? Everyone, it is real,
And I still don't even understand thetitle. Why would Buddy be fighting versus
Christmas? Like? Why is Buddygoing to be better? Theoretical Buddy versus
Christmas one is better than the other. Personally Christmas wins, but Buddy's gonna
try to fight Christmas. When somebodytold me what this was called, I

(01:30:01):
just looked at her and went,versus Christmas? How does that work?
And I'm gonna tell you right now, the show makes no damn sense.
Okay, watch the first episode andjust go okay and see if you stick
around for the second one. I'mgonna try it. I'm gonna give number
two a try. But Buddy versusChristmas give it a shot, Okay,
Okay, it's interesting. He hada horrific injury over summer with the bowling

(01:30:27):
Oh my god, the bowling alleyin their house and the pin thing just
smashed his hand over and his sonhad to like stick something in there to
stop the machine. Oh, it'shorrific. Google it. It was bad.
But it was great. Yeah.So anyway, I'm like delirious Buddy
versus Christmas Murder on Middle Beach.All right, Okay, check him out.

(01:30:47):
I'm gonna do it. So yeah, I mean, I think that's
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