Railroad Killers: Sid Ahmed Rezala

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We can get into our next casefor letter R railroad killers, and we
are talking today about the French trainkiller aka the Killer of the Trains aka

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sid Ahmed Rizzala. Yeah, it'sfunny because they called him the killer of
the trains, which implies trains breakdown, right, but no, he's killing
on the train right. Of course, I think there's a little bit of
translation because the killer is French,so maybe there's a little bit of it

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makes more sense in French than itdoes when it's translated to English. Possibly
there is that. So it's interestingto note that the French train system had
seven point one million annual passengers inthe year two thousand, but it increased
to sixteen and a half million intwenty seventeen, so that's a huge jump

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in not that large of a time. I'm sure it's more now and then
I don't know. I mean withCOVID, maybe there hasn't been as much
in the last year or two,but I'm not sure that everything's different now
exactly. There's a lot of peoplethat are using the trains in France,
so it's important to note that herein the US, trains are not a

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huge mode of transport, especially inthese bigger cities like La We really don't
use the trains very much. Butin a place like this, you've got
to assume that this killer is comingin contact with a lot of people,
a lot of potential victims, ona daily basis. Sid Ahmed Rosala was

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born in Elbar, Algeria, onMay thirteenth, nineteen seven nine. His
father, Jean Michel Verne, wasa mechanic sometimes said a former policeman as
well, So maybe he did onefor a short period of time and the

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other the rest of his life.I'm not sure what order not sure because
it would be interesting if he wasa policeman first and then kicked out of
the police, that would be wedon't know what happened there, or if
he was a mechanic and worked hisway into being a officer. He could

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have a mechanic at the police station, right, But both things are mentioned,
so we're not sure exactly the eventsor the details of that. That's
correct. Sid had three siblings,and he did well in school while he
was in Algeria, and he alsowas a little bit athletic. He enjoyed,

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specifically playing basketball. There are somereports that in nineteen eighty eight,
at nine years old, he wasa victim of a gang rate by quote
young people in his neighborhood. Ofcourse, this is an older case.
We don't really have a police reportor anything like that. It's just something

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that comes up in the research thatthis may have happened to him. I
imagine this is very traumatic for anine year old boy. Absolutely yeah.
I mean life changing, just completely. Unless you get a lot of therapy
and a lot of help and youtry and recover from this and your family
supports you, it's really going toaffect you forever. I assume that he

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really didn't get the proper treatment forit, you know. Yeah. In
nineteen ninety four, when Sid wasfifteen, his family fled civil war and
they moved across the Mediterranean Sea tothe French port town of Marseilles. Very
soon after arriving in their new towns, Sid started developing a bit of a

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rebellious stree and he was kind ofslacking off in school. It was a
notable difference. Once he traveled toa new place, he wasn't doing as
well. Yes, they noticed it. It is mentioned multiple times that he
just basically is on the decline assoon as they get into Marseilles. Right.

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It was most likely a tough transitionfor him, and we don't know
if maybe there was bullying because hewas an outsider, or if he was
just having trouble adjusting to the newtown or making new friends, whatever it
was, but he completely dropped offof trying at school. And it should

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be noted. I guess too thatMarseille has a very high African immigrant population
just due to its proximity to Tunisia, Algeria, these countries. So it's
a very large melting pot of alldifferent cultures in community, you know,
within African culture. But when you'rein France, you're French. That's it.

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Oh no, it's true, likethey say this that you are what
is it? I can't remember whatthe word is I'm so sorry. I
apologize, but you are not consideredanything but French because they don't see color.
Basically, they don't see the race, they don't see your culture.
They just see that you are inFrance. You are now French. Huh.

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I mean I'm not aware of that. I mean hopefully that would mean
that his family was taken in andreally welcomed in their new town. Yeah,
but it sounds like he had thehardest time of any of his family
members in transitioning to a new place. So while he was on this decline,

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he began cutting class, and whilehe was being truant, he started
riding the trains during the daytime whenhe should have been in school. He
began mixing in with drug dealers andpetty criminals in the Marseilles Saint Charles train
station. This was a particularly busyhub since it was the main train station

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in the area at the time.In February of nineteen ninety five, just
before his sixteenth birthday, Sid wasarrested for raping a thirteen year old boy
at NiFe point. It's very violentattack for a fifteen year old kid.
Yeah, I was going to sayit, that's just so young. And

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I know the abuse that he hadsuffered. He's inflicting that on someone else,
and he's turning around and doing thatto someone else. But I just
wish that he would have gotten thattreatment and some sort of therapy to work
through this. And it really didn'thave to go that way. There's so
many people that are go through traumaor are victims and don't end up taking

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that out on other people, andhe just was not one of those people.
It's just really sad, and he'sso young to be doing that.
It's really scary. You see,when things like this happen at a young
age, it doesn't seem to getbetter. Very rarely do they just have
this change of course, Right,this is the age where people are doing

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things. If they are someone thatis violent and whatnot, they start doing
things to hurt other people, tohurt animals, etc. And then it
just progresses from there. So forthis rape, he was tried and convicted
in juvenile court, then sentenced tofour years for the very violent attack,

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but he ended up only serving eighteenmonths before for getting released at the end
of nineteen ninety six. I knowthat he is still young, he's still
a teenager. But that's just sucha short amount of time for a violent

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attack with a weapon with a sexualassault component. I mean, that's really
brutal, and that's not enough timeno matter what age you are, it's
just that's a lot. No,I agree, And there had to be
some sort of therapy program or somethingthat he did really well and that I

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would hope so out that early.But I don't believe that. I just
don't. Yeah, So in hisfile it's noted that Sid was quote a
suffering adolescent. There was clearly alot going on with him, and again
he needed therapy, he needed treatment, he needed to work on his trauma.

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But that was not happening clearly.Can you remember when you were in
high school and you had your badfriends and your good friends, right,
And I was always like my reallygood friends. She'll tell me now I
was her bad friend, right,So but I really was a good kid.
So the worst trouble I got intowas like not trouble, you know.

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But then me being the bad kid, there were other kids that to
me, they were the bad kids, right, and those kids have like
done time. Those were kids,those were kids that were stealing cars,
you know, like they had officersto report to things like that. Okay,

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those kids are the kids that keepyou straight. And if you have
kids, you always just want tomake sure that your kid's worst influence is
actually a good kid, you knowwhat I mean? That way, that's
parenting from beyond that's manipulative to anend if you can just make sure that
the bad kid isn't that bad ofa kid, but your kid thinks they're

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terrible. Oh are you kidding me? That's I just solved it. My
god, I really wish oh ManHindsight twenty twenty. Right. Yeah,
there's definitely levels to kids acting outat this age, you know. And
there's kids that for them, actingout is just not doing homework one day.

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That's the kid that cries when theyget a bee, you know.
Yeah, And then there's kids thatthey're stoners once in a while, and
to some kids, they're the badkids. And like you said, there's
other kids that are significantly getting introuble, and like this example exactly,
there's kids that are so severely hurtingand having outbursts and struggling with things that

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they are actually violent or committing crimesor whatnot. And definitely, sid was
that category. He wasn't just likekind of a bad kid. He was
really really suffering and struggling and takingit out on people, and he had
a violent streak and definitely was strugglingwith some mental issues that he was taking

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out on other people. Paperwork throughouthis incarceration shows that he had many outbursts
where he destroyed his cell and thathe had seizures, which worried there's social
workers. That alone is just yeah, you should be worried, and there

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should be a lot, you knowgoing with this, you know, seizure
medications, maybe some you know,therapy obviously would be great, but just
finding a seizure medication that doesn't youknow, make him you know, just
all this stuff. Yeah, he'sreally struggling with a lot of different like

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current current issues, you know,and clearly doesn't have the resources or the
treatment that he needs. Yeah.Once he was released, he went right
back to hanging out at the trainstation and of course committing crimes. He

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was fined forty two times for refusingto pay his train fare and had also
begun selling weed on the trains outof his backpack. The list of petty
crimes Sid committed like pickpocketing and varioustheft like that is very extensive. In

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addition to the petty crimes, healso had fourteen more convictions for violent crimes.
He's still able to just be wanderingaround with such a record. But
that's what I'm saying. I mean, really, And we've talked about this
before on Murder Dictionary about how incarceratingyoung kids and having juvenile facilities for long

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term can really end up being harmfulfor them. But in a case like
this, where he's at this youngage a repeat violent offender, not just
being sent to juvie for cutting classor running away or not listening to his
parents, but actually pulling knives onpeople, committing assaults, committing sexual assaults.

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This is someone that needs to berehabilitated. They need very intense attention
to treat this. It's just notokay for him to keep having these violent
offenses and then being sent back outon the street, because we know that
this is going to be an escalation. It's not going to get better until

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someone really works with him and finds, like you said, the right medication
for seizures, maybe medication for hismental health, definitely treatment for mental health
trauma, treatment all these things.Otherwise he's just going to keep getting worse
and escalating to bigger and more violentcrimes. Period. In nineteen ninety seven,

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while he was still only a teenager, he was arrested for a stabbing
on the train. Sid was constantlyin trouble with the law, but between
jail stints he worked as an apprenticebaker. In nineteen ninety seven, he
met a girl named Nadia, whobecame his girlfriend. Nadia had a son

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from a previous relationship who Sid becamekind of a father figure too, and
in turn the boy called Sid Daddy. Early in their relationship, Nadia actually
got pregnant and soon they had adaughter, Sarah, who ended up living
with her mother in Our Means,France. That same year, in nineteen

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ninety eight, he pulled a knifeon a French railway employee and was sent
to the Quote Young Offenders Institution atLuaine's near Eggson, Provence. While awaiting
trial, several fellow inmates made complaintsabout Sid sexually abusing them. Hear so

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much with him, Like it's notthere's always this like violent element to sexual
relations, right, There's always somesort of really violent like usually with a
knife too, just yacks, Iwas about to say the exact same thing.
This is becoming a pattern for him, that he's a repeat violent sexual

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offender. Yeah. He was releasedon June twenty ninth, nineteen ninety nine,
at twenty years old. When hereturned home from jail, he discovered
that Nadia had moved into an addictapartment with a new boyfriend. He told

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her that if she left him,he'd go crazy, and he just would
not accept it. At first,she was very hesitant to get back together
with him, especially when she foundout that he had actually raped a fellow
inmate while incarcerated. Yeah, thatwould be in especially Yeah, it's kind

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of a red flag, right,Yes, avoid that person any kind of
assault they's committed, you know.I mean, I'm rethinking my decision,
right. I can't believe this,But soon after he came home, she
broke up with her new boyfriend toget back together with Sid. And who

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knows, maybe the new boyfriend wasa piece of shit, but I mean,
come on, don't get back togetherwith Sid. He's a repeat violent
sexual offender. You know, whatdo you mean, Mary's a bad boy?
Oh my god, it's ridiculous.He just it's it's so sad,
and they have kids. That's thething is bringing the kids into this situation.

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It just is infuriating and tragic andjust makes me very mad that she
would make that decision. And youhave a son from a previous relationship who's
his stepchild. Oh it's baby whatever. You know, they're not married,
but you're living as this kid's stepfather. He's calling you daddy, and now
you as a mother and have thisinformation, and you know this now,

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and you do know also that youknow all these the attacks when he was
fifteen and all this stuff. You'reresponsible to your kid, like you have
to be there to protect your child. I personally, I think maybe,
just so I can get through this, I like to believe in my head
that she did it because she wasjust terrified of sid. You know,

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if you don't get back together withme, I won't accept it. So
you get back together with him,right until you can figure something out.
Maybe she are afraid, right thatshe was worried. Maybe we could conceive
possibly that she was concerned that hewould do something drastic if she didn't comply.

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Yeah, and she was just tryingto get through the time being to
where she could maybe get more stableand get out. I don't know,
that's what I hope, but itis just very disappointing and sad that she
would get back together with him andthen subject the kids to his violence and
instability, and who knows what elsewas going on in the house, you

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know. Yeah, So they movedback in together, and Sid was often
seen taking his baby Sarah out forwalks around the neighborhood in the morning.
One neighbor said that he listened toArabic music really loud, but said that

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he didn't mind it seems like otherwisethey weren't really disturbing or loud neighbors or
anything like that. Nothing like theMariachi band that I live next door to.
Oh, nothing like it. Huh. You know. It's rude of
them to practice though every Sunday andnot offer you tacos or you know,
whatever they've got going on because it'sa party every week. Yeah, I

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feel like I should be getting somethingout of the deal, some sort of
invitation. I mean, I hopeyou're just sitting on the porch listening now
at this point, I just watching. That would be amazing in southern California,
right, people, don't know.If you don't live here, You'll
just never know. The fireworks andthe noises and just so much going on

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all the time. I heared fireworkstonight, it was like six fifteen.
The sun was still out, itwas not even dark yet, and I'm
sitting here, going, what arethey celebrating? That's one of the most
annoying things to me is when theydo it while the sun's out. It's
not fun. When someone lights fireworksat one am on a Tuesday when there's

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no holiday. That's not fun.But it's even worse for some reason when
it's just four pm, because I'mjust like, you can't even see them.
What are you doing with your life? Man? You need to reevaluate
some shit. There is a fungame though, that you have to play
if you live in Los Angeles andyou hear fireworks, and the game goes
like this. You're sitting your home, you hear the fireworks, you could

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be anywhere, and you look atthe person you're with and you go,
was our fight tonight? Was ourgame? Was a baseball? Was a
basketball? Was it football? Wait? Wait a minute, was there a
trial ending? Is? You know? You never know what it is?
What's going on that I don't knowabout. And then you get all good
and you go on your phone,You're like, what the hell, Oh
it's a fight. What's his face? One? Okay, cool dope,

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And we just keep going and it'severy single day. Welcome. But don't
those things just happen on the weekends. I don't understand the weekday things.
I don't know, but it's anyway. I know, it's a tangent.
I know, I know. Sorry, I don't mean to go off into
left field, but I mean,really, by all accounts, people said

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that they were just quiet, goodneighbors. We live around some people that
are just difficult and loud. Buteven though Sid had a lot of trouble
when he was on the train andclearly in jail he was definitely violent and
disruptive and whatnot, but he seemedlike when he got home he had this

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boundary, right, like he justwouldn't cross that line because he's a little
I don't want to create any problemswhere I live. He was an apprentice
baker, Like all I could thinkof was the intro to viauting the beast,
Right, It's just that's what hewas doing, right, That was
the neighborhood, and maybe Nadia wasBelle and he was just walking the baby

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around and that lovely intro. Butyeah, nondescript. Yeah, he seemed
to really just blend in as oneof the neighbors. Father. Nothing really
to report there. The only thingthat is suspect is that around this time
there were two other local rapes thatwent uninvestigated, although he was kind of

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suspected, and one of which involvedan underage girl. But vocally around the
neighborhood people really didn't know that.It was just law enforcement that kind of
knew to look out for this guythat had a long rap sheet, but
everybody else perceived him as a normalneighborhood family guy they always are. Of

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course. By the beginning of October, there was trouble in Paradise and Nadia
broke up with said again. Thistime, of course, she said that
it was for good. So heheld it together for three and a half
months, right like three months,and then something reared its ugly head and

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she's done. We often see thatthere's some sort of event that triggers this
downward spiral. We see an escalationhappening. There's these violent crimes, but
then an event really kicks it intohigh gear to where someone crosses the boundaries

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and a person graduates from violent crimesto murder, or from petty crimes to
sexual assaults, whatever the case maybe. And this was definitely the catalyst
for some sort of breaking point forhim. The loss of Nadia preceded his

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first murder by only a few days, and it really just must have been
an event that pushed him over theedge. On October thirteenth, nineteen ninety
nine, sid cross pass with abright student named Isabel Peak. Twenty year

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old Isabel Peak was a straight Astudent in her third year studying French and
law at the University of Lemaus inwith twenty three other British students. On
October thirteenth, Isabel boarded the fortyfour twenty one on train at the Lemogue
station in Paris, headed to Barlastonin Staffordshire, New near Birmingham, England.

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She had decided at the very lastminute that she wanted to take a
weekend trip back home just to visither boyfriend because basically she missed him.
She must have really missed this guy, because this is quite a trip by
the way, really, oh mygod, just for a while. I
didn't I didn't map it. Ohmy god. Okay, trip requires taking

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an overnight train to Paris. Ohthat's right, early morning Eurostar and you're
still like just travel time all ofit. It's just travel time, travel
time. Is this like when MichaelScott said that he was going to go
see Holly every weekend but it turnsout that it's like an entire twenty hour
trip. Basically, hun percent lifeis a highway. You know, I'm

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a million times every time I hearthat song by the way, I just
look around for people and do youknow are you in the car there right
now? Are you? Because Iam wait, do you know this?
No? Okay, that'll be tencents? Okay, well do you know
this one? No? Me andyou? Yeah. I mean, I
guess I didn't really think about it, but it is a really long trip.

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So an from Birmingham, England.Yeah, she's a the mode station,
like she's she's going from Paris,you know, from France to England.
But I mean, I think atsome point it's just kind of priceless
when you really miss someone or you'rereally homesick just an hour, you know,
you know, I was just talkingbefore recording about getting my vaccine just

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so I could hug my dad,you know what I mean, Like that
kind of desperation of just wanting tofeel like home. You know, I'm
assuming that that's what was going onwith her. Is just I'm overwhelmed.
School is crazy. I just wantto see my boyfriend for a date and
then I'll come back, you know. So it's just I don't know,

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it makes kind of sense to mantizethis so much, because I was just
like, yeah, I guess youcould say you travel far for some dick
sometimes, right, you're young andyou've got time or whatever, and listen
to that. But people don't wantto hug someone. Okay, we'll go
on your side, we'll go well, because I'm I'm the opposite. I'm
kind of just well, I'd travela couple of days for a hug,

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but if I need some dick,I mean, you can get dick anywhere,
you know, but a good hug. But a good hug that's you
know, that's the lot. That'spriceless. Nothing like a good shoulder cuddle.
But give me five minutes and Iyou know, I can scrounge up
some dick. You know, Idon't think it's that rare, That's all
I'm saying. So yeah, Imean she had this little, like last

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minute trip that was planned. Iwas gonna say quick, but not quick.
So she was catching this train earlymorning. The following evening, at
about six thirty pm, Cecile Brissadewas walking on a road underneath the train
tracks when she found what she thought, at first looked like a dead animal.

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Once she got a little bit closerand inspected it further, Cecile realized
that it was actually a mangled humanbody that was lying near the train tracks
of the now closed Chaubinet station.When Isabel fell out of the train car,

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which was going ninety miles per hour, she landed on top of a
pylon that broke her fall, ensuringher death. Even if the fall out
of the train car hadn't killed her, the pylon was definitely the cause of
death. It's rough, Yeah,it was brutal. Yeah. She was

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dressed only in a T shirt andunderwear, and her watch was frozen.
At four twenty a. Police suspectedthat she had been pushed out of the
moving train after she had been sexuallyassaulted, but they initially wouldn't rule out
death by misadventure or possibly even asuicide. It took some time to go

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through the computers for ticket receipts andsurveillance footage before they could verify that the
body was indeed that of Isabel Peak. Isabel's parents, Brian and Annie,
alerted interpoll by reporting their daughter missing, and from there the investigation began to

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really move forward. By the timethe French police actually started their murder investigation,
not nine hole days had already passed, and we know that the first
few hours and couple days are crucialin catching a killer, and the detectives

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had really missed out on this veryprecious window of time to gather evidence and
build their case. Six miles fromwhere she'd been found, a helicopter spotted
her jacket and sweater lying next tothe train tracks. Of course, from

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there they continued searching along the traintracks more and a few days later,
about four miles further down the tracks, her purse and two pieces of luggage
were found. Inside her purse washer ID credit cards and French francs she
had withdrawn at the Lamode station,which, of course, because they were

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still left in there, would ruleout robbery as a motive. Yes,
definitely. If you're going to robthis girl in the train, you're going
to take the cash in her bag, right, You're going to take her
bag, yeah, and rifle througheverything and take whatever you want, or
not leave her with a watch.There's so many things about this that point

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to robbery not at all being afactor. Yeah. When they found her
belongings discarded, detectives ruled out accidentor suicide and confirmed that Isabelle had in
fact been murdered. Because once youfind her belongings in multiple places, it's

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not just like everything fell out withher at the first scene. We've got
a purse and sweater and stuff likethat. We've got luggage, we've got
a couple different dump sites. Wedefinitely know that a person was involved in
getting rid of her belongings after shewent out of a train. Definitely.

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When investigators interviewed witnesses, they werecalled seeing a man in regular denim jeans
with a baseball cap pulled down talkingto isabel on the train in front of
a large crowd. A reconstruction ofthe crime was done, and it was

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even directed by famed double O sevenand the Italian job stuntman Remi Julienne,
a dummy dressed like Isabel, wasforced out of the train car window.
It bounced off the track, hitthe side of the train, was decapitated,

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slammed into a post, and brokeinto pieces, falling only yards away
from where Isabel's body had actually landed. It's a pretty awesome recreation that they
figured out. You know, Okay, this window, this time, toss
it now at ninety miles an hour, right, They were really trying to

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recreate the whole scenario. Before policecould make much headway in their investigation,
Sid committed another murder only a coupleweeks after killing Isabel. On October twenty
ninth, twenty year old student EmilyBazin told some of her friends that she

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would meet them at a small gatheringthat they were having. One of her
goals for meeting up with people thisnight was that so she was so she
could pull aside her kind of onagain, off again boyfriend Thomas and officially
break it off with him. Whenshe did speak with him, he seemed

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disappointed, which was to be expected, but afterwards they hugged each other and
the breakups seemed to kind of gowell. All and all as far as
breakups are concerned. Sure, itwasn't like he freaked out and there was
this big blow up and there wasthis big public scene or anything. It
was just kind of, yeah,it's not working, Okay, I accept

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that. Let's hug it out,go our separate ways, you know.
Yeah. Thomas parted ways with thegroup afterwards, and Emilie's left to continue
hanging out with her friends, Nicholasand another guy she dated on and off,
Sid Rosala, as we know,the French train killer. The next

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day, Emilie's mother didn't hear fromher, and she became pretty alarmed.
This was very abnormal behavior for her, so her mother began calling her friends
and asking around to see if they'dheard from her, but nobody had.
Detectives pieced together the timeline of thenight that she was last seen, and

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they decided to bring Nicholas in forquestioning since he was one of the very
last people to be seen with her. Nicholas said that he had parted ways
with sid and Emily at a nearbyintersection in their neighborhood. Yet another witness
came forward to tell police that thelast time they had seen Emily alive was

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when she was waiting at a busstop with Sid. Friends told detectives that
they should possibly look at Emily's onagain, off again boyfriend, Sid since
he was known to have a rapsheet. Yeah, everybody knew, just
hey, you really need to lookat this guy, right, And these

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are the people that didn't even knowshe was hanging out with him that night.
These are people that are just comingforward. Hey, I know her,
and she's been involved with this guywho's not so great. You should
take a look at him. AndI think that he'd been kind of playing
Nadia and Emily like at the sametime together each other, because I think

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like he got with nat with Nadia, they broke up, he's back with
Emily, and then okay, hegoes in for you know, the stabbing
and all this, and then whenhe comes back out when he's released in
ninety nine, he gets back withNadia, and then Naughty breaks up with
them, and then who's he withagain? Emily. It's come on,
dude, it's the least of theawful things that he does. But by

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normal people standards, it is ashitty thing to do. So I'm over
here just judging the hell out ofhim dating two girls at the same time.
What are you thinking, Oh mygod, I'm such a square,
Get off my lawn. Just kidstoday, you know. But yeah,
I mean, it is seemingly somethingthat he was doing, just kind of
going back and forth, and ifhe had a falling out with one of

(38:59):
them, he could go back tothe other one. And if he had
falling out with them, then hewould come crawling back to the first one.
It seems like that was what wasgoing on. Yeah. Her friends
also came forward to tell the policethat while he was serving his sentence for
the stabbing on the train, Emilyhad actually visited him in jail several times.

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So interesting to me because again,like when he gets out, he
goes straight to Nadia, right,is Emily just he's bored and so oh
she's willing to visit me. It'sit's a visitor, you know what I
mean. It's just I don't know, it's bizarre. I'm sure we'll obviously
never know, but it's just whenyou look at the way, like his
interactions with these women in the timelineis what's interesting, and where he is

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it's just I don't know, itjust makes sense that he was going back
and forth, or that he justneeded both of them to kind of keep
him comfortable, and saying while hewas in jail, you know, who
knows what was going on. Sopolice went to Sid's parents house and they

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informed the officers that he had anew address because he was staying in an
apartment with his girlfriend Nadia. Whenthe cops went to the address, they
couldn't find Sid. On December seventeenth, two months after Emilie's disappearance, police

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decided to search the building that Sidhad been living in. They found it
strange that the cellar door handle wasbroken off, the light bulbs were broken,
and of course there was a foulodor that was coming from the cellar.

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They broke the door down and theydiscovered Emily's decomposing body, wrapped in
a sheet and buried underneath a pileof coal in the cellar at the apartment
house. It was no coincidence thatthe building Emily was found in was the

(41:12):
same apartment building that Nadia lived inthe attic apartment of At some point,
did he just hide Emily's body there, or did he bring Emily to that
building and Nadia saw her and mether, or knew her, Or were
they a front, was it atrio like It's very interesting. I mean,
it's entirely speculation because we just don'tknow what happened. But we don't

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know. Was she killed at adifferent place and oh I have thee the
perfect place to get rid of herbody. Or was it like, oh,
let's go hang out in the cellarbecause we can't go to my house
because I live with this girl andthey were just hanging out and that's where
the murder happened. There's just alot of different scenarios of what could have

(41:58):
happened that night. You know,the room that Sid rented on the first
floor also had blood stains on thefloor, with long drips of blood spatter
on the wall. The neighbor saidthat on October twenty ninth, between ten
and ten thirty pm, they hadheard a woman's cry followed by a heavy

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thud like something hitting the wall nextdoor. An autopsy revealed that she had
been strangled and DNA from seamen wasfound on her body. On December thirteenth,
nineteen ninety nine, Xavier Killo droppedoff his wife, Corine, and

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their four year old son and smalldog at the train station to board a
train from Calais to Ventimilia. Kerneworked in the medical field and was headed
to stay with her mother in thesouth of France because she was having a
throat operation. At two fifty fouram, she was found dead, slumped

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on the floor of the train's bathroom, having been stabbed thirteen times in a
horrific, bloody scene. Her throathad been slit and there was really just
blood everywhere in the train bathroom.I mean those are small rooms too,

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you know, very intimate, veryclose up. And what's even worse to
me is Karin's four year old sonwas still asleep in his stroller next to
her body. Just inhuman It's unreal. I just leave this baby in a
stroller with his dead mom in thebathroom on a train. Yeah. It's

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just so dark. It just bafflesit like blows by mind. This is
the end. This is where it'sjust okay, We're done with feeling bad
for sid oh man. Everyone isthe way they are for a reason,
but this is just like despicable.Yeah, it's really horrific. Again,

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we see that his victim's purse andbelongings were left behind, and her wallets
still contained money, so immediately thepolice could rule out robbery as a motive.
Yet again, detectives followed a bloodtrail on the door handle and armrest,
eventually finding a blood soaked baseball hatleft behind by the killer. Two

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hours before the murder, on thesame train, Sid had been caught for
traveling without a ticket while wearing thesame hat. Witness is remembered him in
the hat because he had been seenpacing and seemed restless. He was smoking

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joints as he wandered between the cars, so he definitely stood out to the
other passengers, and they noted whathe was looking like what he was wearing,
so people were easily able to identifyhim. DNA testing was done on
the hairs and blood in the hat, with police anxiously awaiting with hope that

(45:30):
they would find a match. Buteven though they suspected this man with the
jeans and hat of this one crime, they really didn't connect it to the
other murders on the trains. Eachmurder became its own investigation with full linkage,

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blindness to the connections of the otherwoman's killings beingmitted by the same murderer.
There was such an extreme communication breakdownbetween different police precincts and also the
railway officials that they missed many opportunitiesto catch him. For example, during

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the man hunt for Isabelle's murderer,train employees were told to keep an eye
out for a man matching Sid's descriptionriding the train without a ticket. Sid
was even stopped one night around elevenpm and he gave his real name and
his ID to officials, but nofurther actions were taken. He then went

(46:43):
on to murder kareeen on that sametrain. Just can't get hands on the
sky, you know, it's justyeah, computer glitch again as they call
it. He's slipping through their fingerswhen it would be so easy. They've
given this description, look out forthis guy. He's going to be riding

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trains without his tickets, Stop him, get his info, question him,
but no, they look him deadin the face, they see his ID,
and they don't even bother following up. There's murders going on, multiple
murders on these trains, and theyreally dropped the ball. Police interviewed his

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friends and they said that they hadn'tseen him since he'd let left to go
get on the Marseille and Timelia train. The one, specifically that Karrin was
murdered on. During the investigation,detectives found that there was record and surveillance

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video of Sid on the same trainson the same nights that both Isabelle and
Karn were murdered. In another smoothmove, the press was informed of Sid's
identity before the police actually issued asearch warrant for his parents Marseille home,

(48:13):
which then, of course allowed Sidthe time to flee to Portugal. A
reporter arrived at his parents house beforethe police even did, and his mother
told them that he had just left. They majorly dropped the ball on this.

(48:36):
Oh, the fact that the reportergot there before the police is just
I mean, come on, youcan't write that. Yeah, it just
boggles the mind. And then ofcourse the reporter informed his parents that their
son was wanted by the police becausethey believed that he was the infamous train

(48:58):
killer. And there's no reason thatthey should be hearing that from a reporter,
you know, it's just insane thatthey didn't get there before the press.
The next day, an interview withSid's parents was on the front page
of the magazine France Soar. Yeah. The article also detailed the ways that

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police had bungled the case, includingthe fact that the reporter himself had arrived
before the police. Did. Ilove that. This reporter wrote the article
and included that, by the way, I was there before them, and
I'm alright all about it. Yeah, I would. I mean, we
trust the police to do certain jobs. If they're not doing their job,

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I would say that that's the case. It's just the fucking truth. Yeah.
Wanted posters were put up on thewalls throughout European train stations. Profilers
became nervous in the days leading upto January thirteenth, two thousand. These
profilers told police to expect a murderon that specific date, since two of

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his murders had been on the thirteenthof the month, and on top of
that, his birthday was May thirteenth. On January seventh, a friend of
Sid's received a phone call from him, and she immediately gave police the phone
number that he had called from.They were able to trace the phone number

(50:34):
from the friend to Lisbon, Portugal. There was also a phone call from
Sid to Nadia Are in our Means, which the police were able to trace
to a Portuguese phone booth he's stillcalling her. Yeah, on the run,
he's calling her from phone booths,and he's calling other girls. So

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now I'm just like, there's athird girl in play. What the hell
is going on here? Well?Yeah, of course he's calling everybody,
what do you mean, but he'sspecifically still calling Nadia, right yeah.
Investigators stationed plane clothes officers at thephone booth on the corner of Avenue of
Freedom in Lisbon, Portugal to doa twenty four seven steakeout, but only

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after a brief wait, Sid arrivedto make another phone call and the officers
appeared and took him into custody.As they were arresting him, he screamed,
I am Hassan, but they knowwho I really am, before bursting

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into tears. That sounds like somebodywho's really tired and just defeated. I
mean he knows the jigaz app right, Yeah, Like he for a split
second, you know, and thenhe goes but they really know who I
am and he just starts crying.Yeah, I mean, that's just defeat.
He's probably tired too, you know, because that's one thing that we

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in true crime have learned is beingon the run is an exhausting existence.
It's very tiring and it's hard tohave your head on a swivel and to
beat that. Hyper vigilance is exhausting. Yeah it is, But I don't
feel bad. No, no,no, no, no, no,
absolutely not. He's a scumbag,absolutely not. But yeah, he's terrible,

(52:29):
but it seems like he had reachedthat point that a lot of killers
reach, where it's impossible to keepup with this lifestyle. Yeah. Portuguese
police said that they were glad Frenchofficers were there because he had cut his
hair, so they may not haverecognized him first thought. Here is even

(52:52):
if that's what they thought, whythe hell would they admit that. That's
just the same as being like,we're pretty incompetent. So thank god the
real police showed up. You know, God you're here, Yeah, because
you know, we've just got thistoo bit operation going on here and a
haircut is a new identity, Sothank god the French. And in time

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it's the same as Ted Bundy.It's just like, how are people just
not recognizing people because they have amustache or a haircut or whatever it is.
Oh he's wearing funny glasses. Ican't recognize him. I mean,
come on, this is ridiculous.I don't know about a lot of these

(53:35):
officers. That makes no sense.It's just it's it really is. Why
would you admit that it's great?Yeah, I just I don't understand.
I don't even understand it when peopletalk about Ted Bundy either. I'm like,
it's the same person. What areyou guys looking at that? I'm
not looking at what kind of drugswere you taking at that year? You

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know, like the fucking evidence roommust have been rated because that is the
same exact person, you idiots.Every time they show all the pictures of
Ted Bundy, all the different right, they're not that different. It's the
same guy and the exact same guy. I just I don't know. I'm
with you on this. I've alwaysjust kind of gone, all right,

(54:22):
we'll go with it, y'all didn'tknow who he was, okay, But
I have a hard time with it, you know, like really, but
this one is this is obviously somereporter ran up on this guy and was
just like, hey, we needa quote, right, give us anything.
Well, we're so glad that theFrench police were here, you know
what I mean. He was likeunder the gun, right, what do

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you think of the sir? Microphoneof the face? And this is I'm
just really glad France showed up,right because he put eyeliner on as a
mustache and we didn't know who hewas. We thought it was John Waters,
who knew what do you mean JohnWaters isn't on the quarter of your
freedom. Yeah, it's just ridiculousthat they really had no faith in themselves

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that they thought they wouldn't recognize him. And on top of that, it
wasn't just something they talked about inthe station. They straight up told the
press, I don't go around talkingabout my failings at my job, you
know, not to the reporters.Branded please absolutely not. If you make

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a mistake, you don't broadcast thatshit. And especially in an industry where
you are law enforcement that people trust, you never ever say that, just
don't. Well it's interesting too becauseyou know, Madeline McCann. It's Portugal,
you know, and they had aninteresting relationship with the press as well
during that. Yes, so itis kind of interesting that they are not

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very well media trained, let's putit out. That's a good way to
put it. They should be.They need to go through the course,
but that's just shocking to me toeven have that trouble in identifying a person
and then admit it. It's justa lot that's I don't get it.
I don't understand. On the daythe profilers had warned them of, which

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is January thirteenth, he was finallyin custody at the prison hospital of Kassa.
Sure Sid's lawyers took advantage of thelaws in Portugal that forbid extradition of
suspects who risked a higher sentence thanthe maximum twenty five years in jail mandated

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in Portugal. I got questions Portugal, another one like one the fuck?
And I can understand there's definitely somestudies and arguments against that long of incarceration.
I mean, twenty five years,it's a long time, and they

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aren't the only country where there's thesemaximums enforced. Right, But the extradition
part, you know, he's wantedfor crimes in another country. It's just
okay, it's difficult. He's wantedfor crimes that they are the kind of
thing that you don't want this goingon in your town, in your country.

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You don't want this. Get himout of here, right, so
right, you don't want him goingto try in Portugal and getting out in
ten years. Yes, and he'sstill very young by that time, and
he's just going to commit more crimes. Yeah, So it's interesting that that's
the only reason in this specific Also, I'm just like, dude, send
this, what are you talking about? Get him out of here. Yeah,

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he's a repeat offender with just gnarlyrecidivism that just keeps violently attacking people
and escalating to murder, more murder, more horrific crimes, more violence.
You know. I mean, thescenes of the crimes even are getting worse.
It's just clearly he's not going tojust get better by going to jail

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for a couple of years. Itwas also discovered that a few weeks earlier,
on December eighteenth, Sid had beenarrested in Barcelona, Spain, for
theft. This arrest happened only fourdays after Korean's murder and him being identified

(58:27):
as the suspect of the trained killer. He was held in Spanish jail and
released on December twenty fourth, sincehis name hadn't been connected with Interpol or
under the search arrangements of the ShenjenTreaty, which removed systematic checks at continental

(58:52):
European borders. So basically he slippedthrough the cracks because in Spanish jail,
nobody knew that he was wanted forthese other crimes because there was no communication
since this treaty had changed everything.Yeah, and then they just blame each

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other, you know. France saysthat everyone was notified, including Spain,
and then Spain is all, wedidn't know. Why would we arrest him
and then let him go if weknew, you know, right, It's
just this funny little argument of youknow, throw it back at each other
between France and Spain. But he'sin Portugal. Yeah, I mean,
they were arguing about it. Itwas going back and forth and nobody could

(59:36):
agree on what had happened. Butthe bottom line is they didn't communicate,
and he slipped through the cracks againand he could have been out there committing
more crimes. He could have hurtmore people, killed more people, and
it would have been the fault ofevery one of the authorities that didn't communicate.
He was held in the psychiatric wingof a prison in Lisbon while French

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and Portuguese police were working on anextradition arrangement. French police also began looking
into claims that Sid had actually beenprotected while he was on the run by
his boyfriend Armando Sanchez, who wasa rich Spanish businessman who had plenty of

(01:00:24):
money to help him flee the country. I wonder if Nadia and Emily know
about Armando. And this is thething where I think he just needs to
use people. Yes, I thinkthat we're seeing a pattern here where he
just wants to get what he canget out of these people, whether it's

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certain women that he wants sex from, certain people that he needs to take
care of him as far as aplace to live or money while he's on
the run, or using people becausehe needs to inflict violence on them,
or this violent sexual gratification. Imean, he's just a user more than

(01:01:06):
anything else. I think that themurders are an extension of him just seeing
people as a means to an endfor self gratification. I think there's also
maybe a component of like sex addictionhere too. Yeah. Maybe you know,
just anyway I can get it,I want it. Yeah, And

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we definitely know sexual assault is alot about power, but that doesn't necessarily
mean that he wasn't addicted to thatsexual power or whatever that relationships with you
know, his girlfriends, and he'sgot a boyfriend too, and you know,
I just there may be a littlebit of a component of sex addiction
here because there's also you know,all the assaults and everything is very sexually

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related. But he can separate,like until he murders you unless you're Nadia.
You know. Oh, It's it'shard to pin him down. There's
a lot going on here. He'sa lot and hero from the start,
you know. I mean from eightyears old, you're just he's all over
the place. And then by youknow, thirteen and fourteen, he's already

(01:02:15):
like violently reacting and sexually assaulting people, which is something that has learned,
you know, and there's just youfeel bad for him, but then you
know, there's moments where with Korean'smurder, you're just like, Okay,
no, I can't let you dothis, and then I feel bad for
you. You know. Yeah,he's definitely all over the place. He's

(01:02:37):
erratic, he's a wildcard, andthere's a lot going on here. And
like I said before, I knowthat a lot of this stems from trauma
that's untreated and the violence that wasinflicted on him, but he's still ultimately
responsible for getting treatment and getting better. You know, people know that they're

(01:03:00):
not supposed to murder and rape otherpeople. So I mean, I feel
bad that he went through that asa kid, but there's so many people
that don't go on to commit thesecrimes or get the treatment that they need
or whatever it is. And he'sjust out there really running amuck, doing

(01:03:22):
whatever he wants, using people andjust taking care of himself and in a
most violent fashion, indulging his worstimpulses. Yeah. Police found a packed
bag where Sid was staying and aticket to Madrid, Spain on his person

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at the time of his arrest inPortugal. From Madrid, he planned to
fly to the Canary Islands with hisboyfriend Armando, where he was where he
believed he could start a new lifeand leave the trains and his crimes behind.
Police ran with the theory that Nadiabreaking up with Sid and the violence

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that followed were not coincidental. Sidagreed to an interview with a reporter from
the French magazine Li Figaro. Heconfessed to his crimes, openly laying them
out in great detail. Sid saidthat he had seen Isabel before they got

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on the train at the Lamouge station, where they small talked for a few
minutes. Later, at about threeam, he had been smoking a joint
in a mostly empty train car whenhe saw Isabel again and he kind of
started chatting her up. She askedhim if she could use his phone to

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call her boyfriend, who she washeaded home to see. When Isabel had
a few drags of the joint hewas smoking, he said that he had
a flash vision of him killing herand he was compelled to follow through with
this vision. Then he grabbed herand threw her off the train, recalling

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quote, there was nothing I coulddo when that happens. You aren't even
aware of all the blood you spill. I got her and chased her and
threw her off the train. Horrific, unbelievable. I can't even it's the
vision horror of chasing her and grabbingher, chasing her. She's running from

(01:05:40):
him, she sees him coming.She's afraid he's chasing her to physically to
toss her at a window, offa train. There's just this is a
horror movie, like beyond horror,and him explaining it himself is just disgusting.
Yeah, he said, that hehad met Emily on through her friends

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when he was selling hash at theUniversity of Our means they became friends.
Sid said that he thought she wassweet and that quote they really hit it
off. They dated off and on, and he claimed that he knew Emily
had also been dating two other guys, one of which he didn't like,

(01:06:26):
and he killed her to quote avengeher boyfriend. What have you got to
tell yourself? I don't even wantto say it's delusions. I just it's
excuses. But they're not even reallylogical excuses. It just doesn't make any
sense. It's just words. Yeah, it's just empty bullshit. He's being
interviewed by a reporter. He saidhe didn't know he was going to kill

(01:06:50):
her until he actually did it,and this time he had a vision of
her dead and as if it wasa direct order to him, he had
no choice but to follow through withit. Sid claims that there were at
least three people he knew of thathad seen Emilie's body in the cellar,

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but they hadn't told anyone, whichhe speculates is because they were protecting him.
I don't know if I believe that, but it is a little interesting.
I don't believe it at all,Thank you, Okay, I'm like,
yeah, I just you know,be the ad whatever people are gonna
come out of the world. Ohcordis No, I don't think so either.
But it just really really doesn't makesense. It's just another thing that

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he's just kind of talking shit.It really sounds like he's in a weird
way, not showing off. ButI don't even know what the right way
to put it is. I mean, he's just kind of making up these
stories to make himself look like he'sin a more positive light. You know.
Oh, if people are looking outfor me and they want to protect

(01:08:01):
me, then I'm a good guy. And you know, funny, that's
funny that you think that because Iimmediately am looking at it that he's well,
other people saw she was dead andthey never said anything. So it's
not just my fault. Oh yeah, totally from that side of it.
That not that anyone's really protecting it. But oh they must not have said

(01:08:23):
anything because they were protecting me.But they saw it too, and you're
not interviewing them. I mean,they could have called the cop, you
know what I mean, like tryingto toss a little bit of this aside
to other minimum what he did.Yeah, totally, that's what That's what
I took from it. Yeah yeah, I mean both of them makes sense,
and that's really fucked up. It'sprobably both of it. It's all,

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it's all of it. Yeah,it's everything. According to sid Karne,
Kayo's murder had been quote sheer madness. He recalled that he saw her
and followed her into the bathroom andhe was just planning at first to steal
her purse. Again, this issomething that I don't believe because robbery was

(01:09:08):
never a motive for any of theseSo that just doesn't make sense. He
would never upfront just oh, Imean he has you know, records where
it was pickpocketing. You know,it was stuff like that. It was
sneaky things. It wasn't like theonly people that he ever held a knife
to their throat kind of thing.Was like assaulting a man, you know,

(01:09:30):
multiple times of that, but veryrarely was he just not putting a
woman in a bathroom and taking herpurse. It was crimes of opportunity and
just quick and like easy and easyout kind of stuff. So I don't
believe this either. He also claimsthat he hadn't seen the baby in the
stroller and that if he had,he wouldn't have killed her. Bullshit,

(01:09:51):
Yeah, exactly, And of coursethis is just great to say now.
But she also had her dog withand he knew that detail. So it
seems really unlikely that he didn't seea big ass stroller with a child in
it. If he saw the dog, he saw these other details, He's

(01:10:11):
not going to miss the kid.This claim is probably really just him trying
to make himself and the reporter thinkthat he's not that bad of a monster
whole, like, oh, Iwouldn't have done it if I knew about
the kid or whatever. This wholeinterview was just damage control and trying to
soften sharp edges of the story.Absolutely, after the murder, he had

(01:10:40):
blood all over him and said thathe wrapped his shirt around his arm,
hoping that no one would see it. He told the reporter that during his
murder spree, he was drinking twoleaders of Jack Daniels a day, smoking
weed, and taking LSD. Theday the warrant was issued, Sid took

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one million francs, ten kilos ofweed and a gun and then fled to
Barcelona. He ended the interview bysaying, quote, may God help all
their families and bring misery down onme. If someone had done that to
someone from my family, I wouldhave killed them, torn out their heart

(01:11:24):
and eaten it. The sid Rosalacase is considered to be one of the
most bungled murder investigations in the historyof French policing. He was being held
in the maximum care unit and receivingmedical treatment while in custody. Corrections officers

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noticed that he'd been declining mentally asthe September extradition to France was growing closer,
describing that he was showing signs ofextreme despair and anxiety. Sid had
made several suicide attempts while in theLisbon Psychiatric prison, slashing his arms and

(01:12:06):
neck with a razor in March,but the guards dismiss these, saying that
he was quote attention seeking. Whatkind of psychiatric facility workers for these that
are saying that people that are cuttingthemselves and self harming are attention seeking?

(01:12:29):
It just makes me livid. Yeah, that's the other thing is how did
he even have access to these instrumentsto hurt himself? And on top of
that, you're just dismissing this personthat's clearly a danger to themselves. I
mean, I don't even know howto describe how I'm feeling right now.

(01:12:54):
It's really unbelievable that these are mentalhealthcare professionals, that these our officers designed
to work with people that our inmental health facility. I don't know how
they don't have the training or theknowledge to understand what's really going on here,
and they don't have the procedures inplace to make sure that their patients

(01:13:17):
slash inmates don't have access to anysort of tools to harm themselves. This
is just severely shocking. On Junetwenty ninth, two thousand, a year
to the day, since he'd previouslybeen released from prison and returned to Nadia,

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he was left alone in his cellThat morning. He was treated for
self inflicted cuts to his wrists,and the doctor informed the staff that he
might make another attempt in the nexttwenty four hours and he needed to be
closely monitored. Three hours later,he blocked the door with a metal bar

(01:14:03):
from his bed. Using a cigarettelighter, he set fire to the mattress
again. How did he get alighter in addition to razors? What the
fuck is going on in this facility? They're handed him out a man.
Because the mattress was fireproof, itreally didn't actually catch fire, but it

(01:14:27):
did make a bunch of smoke andnoxious fumes and it smelled terrible. And
it's just unbelievable to me that notonly was he able to get these items
and start a fire, but nobodyactually noticed there was smoke, there was
fumes, it smelled and no onenoticed. Yeah. My note was,

(01:14:56):
how does a smoke heavy fire startinside a building and no one noticed?
It makes no sense? What thefuck is going on here? Yeah?
I got questions, but we're goingto answer how no one notices? So
yeah, the thing that was goingon this day was the guards were just
completely distracted because they were watching theEuro two thousand soccer Games semifinal between France

(01:15:21):
and Portugal in another room, sothey were not following the doctor's warnings that
Sid needed to be closely monitored.By the time the guards finally got to
the cell to check on Sid,they discovered that they couldn't get the door
open. When they were finally ableto open the door, the guards found

(01:15:45):
that Sid had already asphyxiated to death. His attorney said, it was quote
surprising that somebody is able to setfire to his cell without being seen or
heard. We are all very sadthat a boy of twenty one has died

(01:16:06):
in this way. To us,it does not mean he was guilty.
The families of the murdered women wereovercome with anger and of course saddened that
there would be no closure to thecases of their loved ones murders. This

(01:16:27):
really denied them a lot of thathealing that comes from getting justice and seeing
the whole process through. So it'sjust maddening to me that this facility failed
so severely that this person lost theirlife and so many people were denied the

(01:16:48):
opportunity to truly have that closure theyneeded to move on. Clearly, sid
was a very disturbed person that didharm to many people, and that's just
unforgivable. But he really should havenever had access to any of these things

(01:17:09):
that could be used to hurt himselfor others. He could have just as
easily used any of those things tohurt another inmate. He could have attacked
someone. He could have had morevictims, you know. Yeah, And
it seems like the doctors were warningthem, saying you know, this guy
might need a little extra watch.Just make sure you're watching this guy right.

(01:17:32):
And that just was not enough.It's just another reason for me to
hate sports. Let's leave it atthat. Hey, that's what we'll take
away from this. It's just anotherreason for Brianna to hate sports. Yeah,
it's just I don't know. Youhear these stories of the failings of

(01:17:54):
corrections officers or times that people aren'tpaying attention, and that's when shit happens.
And I understand that you can't haveone officer per every inmate to just
sit there and stare at them.I understand, but these routine checks every
ten minutes or something, so they'remaking the rounds and checking every cell or

(01:18:15):
whatever. Those absolutely have to happenso that people don't have the opportunity to
do these things that could not onlylead to the loss of their own life,
but if that fire would have worked, for example, who knows who
else could have gotten hurt. It'sjust it's dangerous and it could lead to
people being hurt or dying, andit's just not fair that these people decided

(01:18:41):
a game of soccer was more importantthan people's lives. Yeah, this was
definitely a bungled situation kind of fromthe start to the finish. And it's
kind of hard because you can't necessarilyblame one thing because so many things went
wrong. Oh yeah, but everythingthat could go wrong pretty much went wrong.

(01:19:06):
Yeah, I would say much,pretty much. It just blows my
mind that, you know, fromthe French police, the rail workers,
Portuguese police, and then the facilitythat he was being kept in, like
everybody fucked up. That's just terrible. He was arrested and like his you

(01:19:30):
know, I was gonna say hisplates were run, but like his info,
you know, his information, hisdriver's license what I'm trying to say,
was ran, and they had thisinfo and Interpol you know, had
his info. And again it's likethe last three all these railroad episodes had
the same thing in common, whichis this person's on the run. They're

(01:19:53):
like one step ahead, and thecomputer system is always a little behind.
Right every single time, it's like, well we had or the human computer
system, Yes, we've had himat one o'clock and then we let him
go because he wasn't in the system. And at three o'clock he got in
the system. So sorry, wefucked up. But it's not our fault

(01:20:15):
because at one o'clock he wasn't inthe systems. It's this backwards you know,
just circular logic, and it's happenedin every single one. And these
guys are just always one step ahead, you know, just one train depot
further than they need to be right, and it's that is kind of how
these railroad ones have worked, isthat they're literally one step ahead. Yes,

(01:20:39):
because they're always on the move.There's always this lack of communication between
whatever area other in or the differentdepartments because the railroads are separate from the
actual police stations. Nobody's talking toeach other. Everybody's having trouble keeping up
with this person, this suspect that'smoving very quickly, and this case is

(01:21:03):
just failure upon failure. I'd liketo believe that everybody was doing their best,
but it's just it's hard to lookat something like this and say that
it's okay that this kind of stuffhappened. Because he could have been caught
earlier, people could have been safer. I mean, if he was held

(01:21:26):
more accountable for some of his violentcrimes, maybe he wouldn't have been out
on the street to murder people.If they would have caught him sooner when
he presented his idea with no ticket, than maybe he wouldn't have been able
to murder another person. But there'sjust so many times that people's lives could
have been saved and they failed atevery corner, and that's just really hard

(01:21:49):
to accept. There's also this littlebit of it where and when you're dealing
with transit, people have to besomewhere. These trains are on a schedule,
and you can't stop for anything shortof someone being murdered on the train.
So let's say that you find thisguy right and he's got a ticket,
Well, we can't stop, Likethis isn't a big enough deal.

(01:22:10):
This is just a guy without aticket on the train as far as they
know, right, So they justkeep going and they just you know,
whatever, it's not a big deal, it's not a big party. Oh
whatever, Just get him on thetrain at the next station. We gotta
keep going, we gotta keep moving. And that is another thing that helps
them in all of these cases islike the thing that they're using has to
be somewhere at a certain time.So as long as they're just kind of

(01:22:31):
flying under whatever, just hitching aride on they're gonna make it at least
to that place at the right time, you know, whatever it is,
they can depend on that at theirvery least, right. So there's just
a lot of times like they catchthem on the train and it's just easier
whatever. Just we've got a scheduleto keep because I'm sure they get docked,
they get in trouble if they don'tmake it in time. Right,

(01:22:53):
So there's a lot of things goingon, and they take full advantage of
it all. There's a lot ofthings working against the detectives and police and
different authorities in these railroad cases.It's still just frustrating to watch from the
outside seeing how these these railroad killersjust slipped through the cracks. You know.

(01:23:15):
Yeah, Okay, so I thinkthat's pretty much it for railroad killers.
Letter are I think we're done.So yeah, Before we get out
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