April 3, 2020 • 46 mins
In this first installment of Columbine Killers, Kyle and I talk about our memories of where we were and what we experienced when the Columbine Massacre happened and then get into the back story of Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold.
We also discuss how important mental health is and make sure you take care of yourself, especially during these very stressful times of isolation and social distancing. So we hope that you are taking those steps to make sure that you're doing okay both physically, emotionally, and mentally.
Thank you for your continued support of Murder Is My Sign.
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We also discuss how important mental health is and make sure you take care of yourself, especially during these very stressful times of isolation and social distancing. So we hope that you are taking those steps to make sure that you're doing okay both physically, emotionally, and mentally.
Thank you for your continued support of Murder Is My Sign.
Music Used
Lightless Dawn
Pamgaea by Kevin MacLeod
Link: https://incompetech.filmmusic.io/song/5050-wholesome
License: http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/
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This show may contain adult language andthemes. Listener discretion is advised. With
that out of the way, let'sstart the show. Now. You're listening
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to the Murder is My Sign podcast, the only true crime astrology podcast,
and I'm your host, Jordi Death, here to light your way through the
true crime astrology storm. And instudio with me again is mister Kyle him.
I'm doing great. We've we've droppedall nicknames for you and we're just
going to refer to you as Kyleor mister Kyle or Lord Kyle or whatever
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you wish because you don't like nicknames. Apparently I don't mind nicknames, but
killer Kyle is not. Fine.Okay, fine, Yes, I understand.
I would just like to say somethingthough before we start. Yes,
you know, obviously we're in themidst of this entire coronavirus thing. Yeah,
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and I just want to say toanybody out there, I hope everybody's
at home are safe and you're healthy, and you know, there's a lot
of turbulent times coming and have gone. And I hope everybody that's being affected
by this, which is pretty mucheverybody, I hope you're dealing with that
pretty Okay, Yeah, And I'mso glad that you mentioned that, because
I definitely wanted to start this episode, you know, by saying the same
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thing. And I hope that youguys out there that are listening are really
taking care of yourself. And ifyou listen to the April fools Day episode
I did yesterday, hopefully you guyslike that. We are not going to
ansmr. We're definitely not going tobe doing that. There was actually a
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lot harder for me to um andthat is how I'm going to get coronavirus
with you rubbing your nose all overmy microphone. Thank you. It was
a lot harder to record that thanI thought, because like having to talk
in a whisper or like talk softlyreally required me to slow down. You
should have talked to me. I'mexcellent talking too quietly. Yes, So,
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but seriously, I hope you guysare really taking care of yourselves.
We're gonna be starting our new topicfor April today. The main overarking theme
that we'll be discussing throughout the seriesis mental health and mental health advocacy.
And if you've been listening to mypodcast for any length of time, you
know that I am a huge proponentof mental health and taking care of yourself.
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My mother is a psychotherapist. Imyself have struggled with depression for many
years, and I am proudly Iam probably to say that I am doing
much better. Thanks a lot tobe appropriate, because that has definitely helped
me. And I know that helpssome people, doesn't help other people.
But I just want to take theshame out of being medicated, like there's
nothing wrong with that. Mental healthis so important, especially during these turbulent
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times. So if you guys arestruggling, please reach out to either a
trust, a friend, a familymember, or even Google, like if
you google your local municipality and freemental health. I know a lot of
people out there doing either phone complike phone sessions or video sessions. I
know my mom is doing that.So resources are out there for you.
Really take the time, you know, while you're sheltering in place or quarantined,
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or especially if you're having to work, like you know, like I
know you are working, Kyle,because you're what's the word, You are
a needed member of society or I'man essential You are an essential member of
society. Yes, you are essential, and I am not. I would
also like to say what she's sayingabout mental health. You know, every
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county that you live in has acrisis highline. Everyone is different, but
Google, you just pick your countyand pick the crisis hotline and if there's
there's people there that are willing tolisten, and there's people that are willing
to hook you up with the resourcesand the help that you need. I
just found out today that, unfortunately, I am furloughed until April thirtieth,
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which is pretty stressful. I'm notgonna lie, that's pretty bad. I've
already applied for unemployment and things likethat, and unfortunately I heard that some
of my colleagues were just laid offflat laid off. So I'm really hoping
that our state will open back upat the end of April and that I
can actually go back to my joband things like that, because if I'm
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laid off, so basically, it'slike everyone who has hired after me got
let go. And I've only beenthere for two years, and my two
year anniversary literally happened the day thatwe shut our doors for good. Wow.
Yeah, so I didn't get myone good no, not forgot indefinitely
definitely. Yeah. So I didnot get my one on one, and
I don't know if I'm going toget my raise. I'm really hoping that
happens, you know, because Iprior to all this, I did work
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very hard and I really enjoyed myjob and things like that. But what
I'm getting at is, prior toall of this, I knew that us
that we'd be home for an extendedperiod of time. So what I did
is one of the perks of workingat a bookstore is I was able to
check out, kind of like alibrary, some of the books that I
knew we would need for our research. And you know, I keep talking
about this, but we haven't evenmentioned what we're talking about. So if
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you're if you're smart, if youput two and two together, chances are
that you know that we're going tobe covering the Columbine killers, Eric Harris
and Dylan Klebold. And the reasonwhy it's in April is, yeah,
that is the day. April twentieth, nineteen ninety nine is the day of
the Columbine shooting. So this particularseries, I think is going to prove
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very difficult and interesting. It's aweird combination because we are covering a lot
of very triggering topics, and Iusually don't do this a whole lot of
my episodes. I think I cancount on one hand me actually going ahead
and saying an actual trigger warning,and I will usually always do that if
it involves small children or rape,and in this case, I'm going to
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say that there's gonna be a bigtrigger warning for a lot of this series
because we're gonna be talking about mentalhealth and suicide. And it's not just
Dylan and Eric who killed themselves,but as we've done a research, there
have been like ripple effects after ofsurvivors who have you know, taken their
own lives. And I know we'lltalk about I'm sure like survivors guilt and
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things like that. So just youguys know, I know, probably true
crime during this very crazy time isn'tthe best thing that you guys want to
be listening to. But I reallyhope that Kyle and I can provide some
some humor. I suppose, youknow, because we do both have kind
of dark sense of sense of humor. It's, you know, it's the
thing about dark topics, where likeI worked with prisoners for a long time,
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multiple child molesters like h people killthemselves, people that have chopped up
family, Jesus Christ, you know, and Wisconsin. I can tell you
that, man, it's one ofthose things where you know, um,
I developed a severely dark sense ofhumor as a result of that. I
don't think that's very unusual, No, I don't. I think when you
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work a high stressed job like that, like even like when I was working
as a mortician, like I knowa lot of morticians who have a very
dark sense of humor because it's it'sa coping mechanism. Okay, So,
because I'm on furlough, the threebooks I checked out from work were were
Warzy, which I'm still reading,so I'm gonna have to burn through that
really quick. I checked out Yeah, it's really funny. I checked out
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Columbine by David Cullen, and thenA Mother's Reckoning Living in the Aftermath of
Tragedy by Sue Klebold. So thisseries is going to be a little bit
different than the previous ones, especiallythe ones that you and I have done.
Kyle, I don't really have ascript. You and I have both
been kind of doing our own researchon this. I have a couple of
notes here in my book, Soyou guys might be hearing some paper ruffling
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things like that as we kind offlip through these different pages and stuff to
bring up our points. And sowe're kind of gonna have to do like
rapid succession because I do have alittle bit of time, but I knew
I do need to return these bookswithin you know, probably two weeks or
so. AnyWho, I also havea Newsweek article from May third, nineteen
ninety nine, so like basically likea week after this happened, or a
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couple of days after the event,maybe two weeks after the event. So
what I kind of want to accomplishin this episode, you know, because
we followed a pattern where you know, the first episode is always like the
background information of the individual, howthey grew up, things like that leading
up to the main event in thesecond and in the second envelope in these
second episode covering the main event,you know, what happened up to the
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arrest if there wasn't arrest, andthen the third episode would be like the
arrest and after effect and then goinginto their star signs. So we're going
to be kind of doing the samething here in this episode, we're gonna
be covering our memories of where wewhere we found out about Columbine. I'm
kind of sure, our thoughts aboutthat, and then we'll be also talking
about the research that we or likethe things that we've learned about Dylan and
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Eric in the events leading up toApril twentieth, and then um talking about
that will be referencing the news Weekarticle quite a bit. But I think
in the second episode, especially thatthird from especially from reading the Columbine book,
we're to see how much the Newsweekarticle, how much stuff they got
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wrong, and that that's actually whatI'm most interested about, because I really
haven't done two much research. It'sone of those things that I was,
like I said, I was aboutthirteen when that happened, Okay, so
I was finishing up eighth grade,going into high school. So it's one
of those things people talked about ita lot, and it was on the
news constantly. This is, youknow, three years before nine to eleven.
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Yeah, two years before eleven twentyone, so that's yeah, two
years, and so it was oneof those where it's like other things took
its place, but you saw somuch for so long, and there was
so much bullshit, like even whenI was a kid, right about violent
video games and violent music and tryingto blame other people or what you know
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what I mean instead of like kindof like how it is now, right
exactly, Like it's crazy having decentmental health services for sick people, right,
that's cheap and affordable. We blameeverybody else, right, well,
And it's so crazy, like withall the and misinformation that was going on
in the media, Like when thisfirst broke, like after the first shots
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happened, I think it took thenews station about thirty minutes before they started
coming on with the news about this. So it's so crazy to hear like
all the misinformation of like the wrongbody counts and things like that, and
how we can peril reports of thethird gunmen, right, I remember very
early on they said there was threeand they only right who died, right,
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And it's just like the same shithappened during the Walk Brewery shooting.
And then also all the ships that'sgoing on with COVID nineteen, all the
misinformation, like it's almost exacerbated nowbecause of social media. It's so much
more make money off of line.I mean, people have always made money
off of line, but the Internethas made it so much easier to make
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money off of I mean, likewe could lie and say wherever the fuck
we want right now, and it'sa way to make money off of it,
right, you know what I mean? Like it's one of those anybody,
it's disturbing how it's it is spottales fun And this is why it's
so fucking important. You know,to do your own research to cite your
fucking sources. And if it hasa dot com, I swear to god,
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you need to have another backup tothat dot org or dot gov.
Hey, I'll tell you what,APA, If you try to cite a
source in the APA dot com,it better be from a good dot there's
good dot coms and there's bad,right, And I will give props to
Wikipedia. It has begotten a lotmore credible, especially if you go down
to the sources, because everything inthe Wikipedia page should be sourced at some
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extent, and that way you canjust kind of follow that and kind of
go backwards, I suppose. Butyeah, it's it's crazy. And back
in nineteen ninety nine, I waseight, I was in elementary school,
and I was living in Auclaire atthe time. I remember definitely Columbine was
like the first really big news thingI remember watching. And the biggest image
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that sticks out in my mind whenI think of Columbine is that overhead shot
from the helicopter and the students withtheir hands behind their head running out.
Yeah, And I remember, Ithink when I was in high school,
like we started doing like lockdown drillsbecause of Columbine and like active shooting and
drills and stuff like that. Wedidn't do a whole lot because I graduated
in two thousand and nine, whichwas the ten year and anniversary of Columbine,
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and in my time being there,we only went on lockdown once,
but that was after school and itwas like musical auditions and there was an
active shooter or gunshots were fired likea block or two away from the school,
Like it was it was like adomestic dispute, but because it was
so close to our school, theylike locked us down. Yeah, which
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made sense. So that was equalparts thrilling and terrifying. You can imagine
that. Um, But beyond that, in college, I didn't we didn't
really have any active shooter drills oranything that we didn't have to. I
went to a college that was designedby a Japanese prisoner co coach. She's
a guy who designed prisons in Japan. Like the building that I went to
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school, and one of the oneof the schools I went to, it
was pretty much riot proof. Wow, glass walls forty feet high. Shit,
you can drive a tank through.That's crazy. Like all the deans
you had to give you all thedean's offices. You couldn't get there by
staircase. They all had an elevatorand you needed a key to operate the
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elevator to get up to where allthe dean's offices were. Yeah, I
think now, yeah, I thinknow most schools have like metal detectors.
I mean, it's been forever sinceI've been in either an elementary school or
a high school. I haven't beenin a high school. Actually, I
had to get my high school transcriptsfor some job I did about fifteen years
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ago. It's been a long timesince I've been in high school. Yeah,
in a high school. So ifyou are still somehow enrolled in high
school, and or you teach outof high school or whatever, please,
by all means emailed the show.I would love to hear what the security
precautions are like now. I remembera couple of weeks ago when I was
working one of my colleagues, Dan, who is a teacher in ship Boygan
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Green Bay that area. That waswhen there was an active shooter and you
know, they went on lockdown andthen they you know, basically GTF.
Hode and he was kind of talkingabout how he was debating about either staying
in class with his kids or tryingto get everyone out, and I think
he said that he was closer toan exit, so they ran outside and
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ran to like the um elementary ormiddle school that was like nearby. And
then I also remember during this timeduring that shooting, I think it was
just a security guard that was hurtand also the shooter. I don't think
anyone was killed. Um. Iremember also in the news a Muslim girl
opening up the mosque street from theschool. Yeah, and she got a
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lot of people in. Did yousee that guy the teacher that the kid
brought a shotgun in school and hewas going to kill himself, and he
took the shotgun away from the kidand he hugged him until the police,
like he wrapped his arms around whenhe hugged him until he was a coach
of football, coach something like that. Um, I don't know. He
just got the Civilian Congressional Medal ofHonor. Oh wow, that I can't
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They happened a couple of months ago, but I just read that he got
the Civilian Medal of Honor. Goodfor him, though, And that's such
a powerful thing too. And thisis why I feel like this is we're
in such a dangerous time right nowtoo. It's because of social distancing and
not being able to hug people orshow affection and hug and physical affection is
so important, especially not only toyou, like your mental health, but
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like grieving and to like, youknow, I'm a very physical, touchy
feely person. And you know,I'm very blessed that we have the ability
that you and I can be togetherin like the same room. You don't
have to worry about that, butyou know, like the thing do it?
I don't know. I'm sequestered athome. You're the one who has
to work, so I true,yeah, thankfully you don't really work with
the public. It is more dangerousfor you, which is why this whole
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COVID nineteen, like just the situationskind of damn huge left turn. Yeah
we did. Um, so let'sget let's get into it. So we've
already kind of talked about, youknow, where we were when this happened,
you know, our memories of theevent. Let's let's start talking about
I guess Eric Harrison, Dylan Cleebold, you know, the two perpetrators.
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It's funny, it's arguably the thingsI know the least about. The things
I know about them are circa nineteenin two thousand and I don't even know
how accurate those things are. Ireally have not read too much since then
because so much other things have happenedsince then, especially nine to eleven,
like after that, like sure therewas just a domino effect of other and
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crazy shit to do. Right,Well, it's it's one of those things
like even though Columbine was, Ihate to say, like such a pivotal
thing, it's it's more or lesslike the gold standard of school shootings.
It's the godfather of schools shooting,right, which is crazy because like years
before this, there had been otherschool shooting plenty, And in this UM
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Newsweek article it actually talks about thosevarious school shootings that happened beforehand, and
then it's like every other week sinceColumbine, every other month there's been like
another school shooting. So because Ihave um Sue Kleebald's book here, obviously
there's gonna be more information on She'veheard Ted Talk. Yeah, we literally
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just watched that. Yeah, that'sa that's a really good I'm glad you
brought that up. She I thoughtshe was very her Ted Talk was about
mental health, right, and theimportance of it, and you know,
sitting there listening to it, Ican't hate her, Like I just cannot
hate her because my heart just breaksfor her the fact that she's enduring this,
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this incredible amount of pain, notonly to lose her son to suicide,
but in such a horrific way,and that people just blame her,
like how couldn't you tell Like whycouldn't you see the signs there? And
things like that, and like we'llget into that as we continue, right,
But I haven't really heard or granted, I haven't really looked that deep
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yet. But as far as EricHarris's parents, I haven't heard anything.
Well, that kid was I meaneven back in the day they knew,
like even in the like two thousandwhere it was Dylan Cleebold was there.
But even in two thousand they knewAir Harris is a fucking psychopath. Yeah,
and it's crazy because in that book, especially in the Columbine book,
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which I have a couple of pageshere, Mark, I have a lot
of pages here marked. Let's starttalking to about Eric Harris then. So
his full name is Eric David Harris, and he was born on April ninth,
nineteen eighty one, in Wichita,Kansas. And so April ninth.
That makes them an aries. SoAries is the first sign of the zodiac,
and they are their ram so theyare very impulsive, can also be
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very stubborn, and because they arethe first sign of the zodiac, they
kind of have like that older siblingvibe of me me, me me first
type thing, and they definitely wantmore or less, kind of want to
be this t time of attention,and they have a lot of energy,
but they don't always necessarily follow everythingthrough. So those are the typical signs
of Aries. Now, Dylan,he was born Dylan Bennett Klebold on September
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eleventh, nine eighty one, inLakewood, Colorado. Now September eleventh,
that is Virgo and Virgos. Theyare an Earth sign and they're known as
the Virgin. And ironically enough,in season one of Murders my sign and
that serial killer list I had,majority of the serial killers were Virgos.
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Now, I have some theories aboutthat because when you google like the serial
killer list, you can get tonsof different kind of lists with tons of
different kind of names, but inthe end it kind of boiled down to
Pisces and Virgos. And my thoughtis Virgos are so uptight and so perfectionistic
in their demeanor, like they wanteverything in its place, they want everything
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perfect. They're known as the Virgin, so they want everything simple and pure
and perfect, and when it doesn'tfit that way, they like bottle everything
up until they fucking snap. Andso that's kind of like my going theory
with why a lot of Virgos tendto be serial killers. But what do
I know, that's just my theoryany who. So, yeah, let's
start with talking about Eric Harris.I guess because he was a psychopath,
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like clinically a psychopath. I meanI remember, like back like when I
was a kid, they're talking aboutlike you know, oh they were they
chose for twenty because that's Hitler's birthdayand the whole like they were big Nazi
like aficionados and like yelling German thingsthat their classmates when they were angry,
like kind of like shit that wouldbe like fucking warning signs now or just
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kind of like ignored. Do youthink that was because they were like affluent
white kids? That's a really that'sone of those questions where I don't know,
like now time like right, becauseyou know, Littleton, Colorado's an
upscale area, you know what Imean, Like you know, like would
that should have flown in? Idon't know, I don't I don't know.
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I don't think anybody really is gonnahave an answer that no, But
I think you do bring up areally good question because both I mean both
Eric and Dillon had parents that weremarried, middle class, both white,
both of them. One of theirparents was in the military, like an
air retired Air Force, retired Navyor something like that. Yes, I
have that not somewhere. Eric's dadwas US Air Force. Okay, so
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they moved around a bit but thensettled in Littleton, Colorado. Yeah,
so Eric's dad was in the AirForce and then retired and stuff. So
they moved around quite a bit andthen settled in Littleton, Colorado. Now
in the book Columbine, it doessay that he was a complete psychopath.
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You know. He brought up areally good point, Kyle. With both
of them growing up in you know, middle class America and the upper upper
middle class America, you know Colorado, I want to say, if I
remember right, this is also oneof those things I remember from when I
was a kid. One of theirparents, like one of the families,
they had like a collection of vintageBMW's that was like on their property.
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It's like not your average middle classfamily, like people that had a little
bit of money to him. Ican't speak to that because I haven't gotten
that far my research. But yeah, sure, I just vaguely remember that.
Sure I was a kid. Yeah, couldn't very well be wrong,
but yeah, both Dylan and Ericwere incredibly smart. Eric was like a
straight student, and so like thisis in the nineties, so computer science
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is becoming very, very big.They're both very much on their computers.
Eric created his own websites, andhis websites he used kind of as like
a manifesto. Like, so bothboys are vaguely remember too, he had
like afterward the police were like,whoa, he has like super violent websites,
right, because they documented everything,like and we'll get into it and
here just a second, but Ericloved playing Doom, which is a very
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violent video game, but it's alsoone of my favorite video games. Well
do you know that's one of thosethings from this whole This whole situation that
I remember quite clearly is like politiciansand every people, they wanted to blame
the parents. They wanted to blameMarilyn Manson and quote unquote violand music and
violent video games without actually looking atthe causes for like you know what I
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mean, Like, it's just likewhen that dude shot up that also in
Colorado shot up that movie theater addressedas a joke, Like do you really
think if the Batman movie hadn't comeout like that that would have happened?
You know what I mean? Hewould have done something right, something else
would have caused that, right,But they wanted to scape goat the fuck
out of it. They wanted tofind what causes this, what causes?
Right? I was looking at thereason right because they want to point the
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blame because that's simple and it's easyand they can move on from it.
But there is really no reason forthis. And you know, Eric and
Dylan documented everything in their journals.Eric had his websites, and they even
would go on film do films.Yeah, I was just gonna get into
that. They did basement videos atI think it was either Eric or Dylan's
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as I can't remember, but theywould videotape themselves just saying how much they
fucking hated everyone, they fucking hatedthe world, and they wanted to kill
everything, ran all out. However, they would like write like short stories
in school about killing their classmates,or like they've filmed like a like they've
filmed things about shooting their classmates,and like some like should they would be
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like, are you kidding me?I can't believe that nobody saw this coming,
right. Thing. So here's alittle excerpt from the book Columbine that
I just kind of want to read, and it's on the chapter called psychopath.
Eric was neither normal nor insane.Psychopathy represents a third category. Psychopathic
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brains don't function like those in eitherof the groups, but they are consistently
similar to one another. Eric killedfor two reasons to demonstrate his superiority and
to enjoy it. So Eric wasvery much the instigator about all this.
Dylan was just depressed. He hatedhimself, He was in a lot of
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emotional pain. He just wanted todie. He didn't really want to kill
people. But because Dylan and Ericbecame very close friends, Eric was able
to like instigate and get him onboard. Dylan was very quiet, he
was very shy. Eric was veryoutgoing. He could really Eric could talk
his way out of anything. Basically, I get a lot of like Ted
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Bundy vibes from Eric, and hewas actually surprising, very good with the
ladies, Like he had a lotof dates. Of course, when it
came to their senior prom, hehad a bit of a struggle to find
a date, which really pissed himoff because Dylan actually had a date.
So the weekend before the shooting wastheir prom. Oh I didn't know that.
Yeah, the principle, you know, kind of did this whole big
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speech about you know, drinking anddriving and taking care of yourself and how
he didn't want anyone to die overthe weekend and things like that, only
for them to come back and thenon that Tuesday. You know, mass
chaos and mass mortality has happened.Yeah, pretty fucking crazy. Dylan was
just very depressed and stuff, andinto his journal he'd write about his emotional
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pain and things like that, andhow he felt love towards the girl named
Harriet and how you know, itwas kind of like one of those unrequented
love type things. Whereas Eric justfelt like he was over the world and
if anyone had an issue with him, he would kill them, which is
fucking terrifying. So here we gowith the Basement Tapes, as we were
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kind of talking about. So thisis taken from chapter fifty of the Columbine
book called The Basement Tapes. Ericwanted to be remembered. He spent a
year on quote the Book of God, but five weeks before Judgment Day or
Able twentieth, he decided that wasn'tgood enough. He wanted a starling role
on camera. So on March fifteenth, Helan Dylan began The Basement Tapes.
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It would be a tight shooting schedulewith no time for editing or post production.
They filmed with a Sony eight millimetercam quarter checked out from the Columbine
High schoo Video Lab. So theywere really embracing technology, not only with
instant messaging and starting their own websites, but they created these little tapes and
basically their first tape was kind oflike like a talk show, like how
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they had it set up. Itwas just a stationary tape and it was
in Eric's basement, outside of hisbedroom. You know. Eric joined Dylan
on set. They kicked back anda plush velvet recliner, bantering about the
big event, the shooting that wasabout to happen. Eric had a bottle
of Jack Daniels on one hand,and he called his gun Arline. So
they were able to get these gunsfrom various people that would buy for them.
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And this was back in the daywhere you could go to kmart and
buy like two box of bullets fortwenty five bucks. Yeah, you can
still buy an infiicient Walmart. Ericand Dylan never did. It was a
third person who bought them for them. He was later and we'll currently get
into this in like episode three.Maybe he was later brought up on charges,
like criminal charges because there was alot a lot of lawsuits that were
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going on and things like that.So because I was like they were both
one or eighteen, so I don'tknow how they were. I mean,
you gotta be eighteen to buy ammunition. You've in Colorado? Yeah, you
know, we kind of talk aboutthis. Um. Dylan was incredibly depressed.
He had a nickname called in.His nickname was Vodka with dn K
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an upper case, so DKA becauseDylan Klebold. And it was interesting because
as I was reading this, Iwrote down this note about how his drinking
and his excess of drinking to likerelax and kind of like just get out
of what he was feeling. Remindingme so much of Jeffrey Dalmer, because
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Jeffrey Dalmer was an alcoholic by thetime he was like seventeen, right,
Well didn't he when he killed?The first person was oh yeah he blacked
out drunk, Yeah, totally weightyeah yeah yeah. That was in Ohio.
So in the basement videos and thenthey made multiple videos. But in
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this particular video, Eric raised hisgun and aimed it at the camera and
said, you guys will all dieand it will be fucking soon. You
all need to die. We needto die too. Here's the thing that
keeps like going in the back ofmy mind is that Eric and Dylan knew
they were going to die, whetherwhether or not they're going to take their
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own lives or they were going toget like shot out by the police.
I don't want I'm sorry to interrupt, but one of the things that like,
I've actually it's been probably ten years, maybe longer, but I've actually
watched from beginning to end the securityfootage with the audio from the Columbine High
School, and I'll never forget.At one point they're like they're trying to
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decide what to do after they killeda bunch of kids in the library.
I want to say, yeah,and one of them, I don't remember
who one of them says, I'mnot done yet. I'm not done,
Like are you ready to kill yourself? No, I'm not done killing people
yet. Like that was probably isthat in gas that's just probably Eric saying
he's not done that. But it'slike, wow, Like I don't know,
it's just one of those it's oneof those things that's you hear something
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that sticks with you. Oh yeah, absolutely, I can imagine. I
remember seeing I mean, I haven'tseen those videos, but I do remember
seeing their photos after they died,and that yeah, like rotten dot com
type thing. Oh yeah, rottendot com. Yeah, I don't even
think that websites around anymore documenting realitydot Oh dude, I'm still a fucking
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member. I don't know if thatsite has been blocked in America yet,
but probably should be. Oh yeah, maybe I know it's blocked in a
couple of countries. So yeah,just um, Eric and Dillon basement tapes,
a lot of anger. I thinkwe're gonna wrap this up really hair
quick because there's not a whole lotmore to talk about because next episode is
going to be the meat and potatoestype thing. But what I do want
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to do is in the back ofthis book of Columbine there is a timeline,
So we can just kind of brieflytalk about the timeline quick, okay,
and then we'll kind of just endthe episode timeline for the shooting,
timeline of everything that led up beforethe shooting. Oh really, yeah,
all right, so it starts withtheir sophomore year in January of nineteen ninety
seven. The mission begins. Oh, okay, that's one other thing that
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I do remember from when I wasa kid, or at least this is
in the aftermath of it, butthat I remember they were both on probation
at some point because they robbed aI'm sure it's in the timeline. I
want to say it was their junioryear. It was right before their senior
year. They so obviously their junioryear, right, they robbed an electronic
electronics from a van. Right,So that's something that you remember from that
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time. Yeah, okay um.February twenty eighth, nineteen ninety seven,
Wayne Harris starts his journal, USWayne has Wayne Hairs his dad. It's
Eric's dad. Hey wait, sooh of course Eric Harris. Wayne Harris
is right his dad. Yeah.March thirty first, nineteen ninety seven,
Dylan starts his journal. The summerof ninety seven, Eric and Dylan start
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at Blackjack, which was a localpizza place that they both worked at,
and they built their first pipe bomb. July twenty third, nineteen ninety seven,
Dylan first mentions killing in his journal, possibly figuratively, and then August
seventh, nineteen ninety seven, Eric'swebsite is reported to the police. It
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lists his I hate rants and likehe would have all these like rants on
his website about people he wanted tokill people he hated things like that,
and a concerned citizen saw this andreported it to the local authorities, and
that was like the first time thathis name was documented in Wilton, Colorado
through the sheriff's department. So theirjunior year. October two, nineteen ninety
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seven, Eric, Dylan, andZach are suspended for breaking into lockers.
So in the beginning it was three, it was Zach was also a part
of this, and we didn't reallytalk to them much. November third,
nineteen ninety seven, Dylan first mentionsa killing spree in his journal. Now
I should mention after Eric, Dylan, and Zach broke into the lockers,
they were suspended and all three weregrounded and then Eric I know, well,
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Eric and Dylan were restricted from theironline privileges and things like that.
And this is kind of like whereZach kind of fades away had distanced himself
from them too. So this iswhy, or this is where Eric and
Dylan really become very very close andit becomes them as the deadly duo the
world basically, yeah, yeah,and it has this unknown time, but
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sometime at the end of nineteen ninetyseven and the early nineteen ninety eight,
Eric and Dylan steal from the schoolcomputer room January they were. That's something
we're gonna I think we need totalk about later is that their parents are
are at least Dylan's parents and likewe unlike, you know, they've never
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shied away from what they did.But there you always hear like the oh,
they were good kids, and it'slike, well, I mean,
but they were on probation. They'veobviously I think the parents. It's kind
of like seeing losing the Forest ofthe trees type thing. Oh. Absolutely,
yeah, January an important, Yes, absolutely. January thirtieth, nineteen
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ninety eight, Literally the day aftermy seventh birthday, Eric and Dylan are
arrested for breaking into a van.So that memory that you had. February
fifteenth, nineteen ninety eight. Deputiesfind a pipe bomb near Eric's house.
February sixteenth, nineteen ninety eight.The next day, Eric begins seeing i
psychiatrists and soon starts taking zoloft.So it does mention in this book.
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You know, when his dad Waynestarted his journal, he had like a
list going of things that needed tohappen, you know, probation, psychiatrie,
zoloft, all that stuff was onhis dad's list. The spring of
nineteen ninety eight. The dates areunknown, so it's approximate Eric's dad catches
him with a pipe bomb. Sothe parents did have it's at least some
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inkling. Oh yeah, at leasthis parents, right, right, that's
probably why you never hear from Youonly hear from Dylan Kleiboldt's family. You
never hear anything about Eric Harris's family. Yeah. I think it's probably one
of those things too, where theyjust want to distance himself as much as
possible. Right, the same thingwith Jeffrey Dahmer's brother. He changed his
name. He wants nothing to dowith that. Or I didn't even know
jeff Daman. Oh that's true becausehis mother took his little brother and left.
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When that's a whole different yeah.March eighteenth, nineteen ninety eight.
Dylan Warrens Brooks Brown about Eric's deaththreats. March nineteenth, nineteen eighty eight.
Eric and Dylon conduct their intake interviewfor the diversion program. So,
because they're on probation and everything,they had to go through this program.
It's like both so they both wentthrough this and their parents were there with
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them, right, So the parentsdid diversionary programs that means they weren't if
they finished the diversion program, theyweren't actually charged criminally for what they did.
I don't know. I'd have toactually a lot of different a lot
of diversion programs. It's you gothrough the diversion program so that you can
avoid actual criminal charges. Probably thatwould make sense, all right, yeah.
Probably. March twenty fifth, nineteenninety eight, Eric and Dylan are
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formally sentenced in court. April nineteenninety eight. Investigator Guerra drafts and affidavit
for a warned to search Eric's house. April eighth, nineteen ninety eight.
Eric receives his diversion program contract onApril tenth. Eric begins his journal.
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By May ninth of ninety eight,Eric and Dylan outlined the attack write about
it in each other's year books.May fourteenth, ninety eight, Eric has
switched from Zoloff to luvox. I'mnot familiar with luva probably, I'm not
familiar with it at all. It'sone of those drugs where I know the
name, but I don't. Idon't recognize it as We will investigate that
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for next episode. Now we're intotheir senior year. October twenty second,
nineteen ninety eight, Eric begins pipebomb Arsenal production resumes journal writing. The
next day, November thirteenth, Ericturns in his paper on Nazis. So
it does say in the book,and I know the media really played this
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up. Eric would do like thewhole Eik style or Ze Kyle type thing,
and the doctors wants to do itin school and shit, like I
remember, that's another one of thosethings from when I was a kid,
Like they were doing this in schooland somehow their parents didn't know the authorities.
I don't know if they were toldthe school like they would do it
in class. Oh okay. Novemberseventeenth, nineteen ninety eight, Eric describes
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his statistic rape fantasies in his journal. I feel like if he would have
kept going, he would have beendefinitely a Ted Bundy for sure. I
don't know enough, but I meanit was I do. It was clear
he was a severely disturbed person.If they wouldn't have done the mass shooting,
somebody would have died. Sure.I feel like Eric would have been
a serial killer. Oh if ifthey would have done the mass shooting,
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I feel like Eric would have beena serial killer for sure, and I
feel like Dylan would have just killedhimself or or worse. Absolutely definitely a
murder suicide, I think. ButI feel like because Dylan just wanted to
die, he wanted his pain toend, and Eric was just a fucking
psychopath. November twenty second, nineteenninety eight, Eric and Dillon buy two
shotguns and a rifle at the TannerGun Show. December second, Eric fires
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his weapon for the first time.January twenty third, nineteen ninety nine,
Eric and Dillon buy Tech nine fromMark Mains. No, Mark Mains was
the person who was actually sued orbrought on criminal charges for selling the gun
Tech nine. Is that where thatrapper gets his name from? Oh?
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Okay, not from that, butfrom the submachine gun Tech nine interesting.
January twentieth, nineteen ninety nine,Eric and Dylon complete the diversion program and
Dylan reas his journal. February seventh, nineteen ninety nine, Dylan submits his
story about killing preps must have beensome sort of like school article or something
like that. If I remember correctly, that sounds familiar. I think it
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was a creative writing class. Oh, he wrote a fictional fictional story.
About killing jocks for the popular kids. Yeah, because they fucking hated them
so much. March sixth, ninetynine, Eric and Dylan practice shooting at
Rampart Range. March fifteenth, Ericand Dylan begin filming the Basement tapes.
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March twentieth, Eric attempts to recruitChris Morris as their third April fifth,
eighth, and fifteenth, Eric talksto marine recruiter so like at this point,
because they were seniors and they werelike on the cusp of graduating,
like the whole college, like we'regonna do after high school. Everyone had
planned. Everyone was breathing out oftheir next Dylan actually went to go tour
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various campuses, like I think hewent to Tucson with his dad, and
then Eric's parents were like up hisass, like what are you going to
do? You're so smart? Sohe finally he agreed to get off their
back if he would go talk toa marine recruiter, if they would get
off his back, so kind ofliterally put it on a face. April
seventeenth, nineteen ninety nine is theprom and then on April twentieth, nineteen
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ninety nine, the massacre begins.I feel like we've talked about a lot,
but again again, I feel likewe haven't talked about anything because I
was honestly thinking the exact same thing. Like, we've gone through a lot
of different things, some of themtopical, some of them not topical,
but all relevant in various ways.Right, But like I said before,
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which is arguably the most important isthe least researched, right, Well,
and also I think a big partof it too is like we're you and
I are doing like this new formatwhere I'm not super scripted. Yeah,
and so it's weird not having likethings written down and just having reference.
But then also I think the biggestthing too is because I have to return
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these books so soon. It isliterally putting a fire under my ass to
like get this research out. SoI really hope next episode will be a
little bit more scripted, or I'llhave at least I mean, there's definitely
we're gonna the research available for thenext part is going to be, right.
(42:20):
It's it's like it's like an encyclopediasaid versus like an online article,
right, right, I'm information that'savailable, right, So yeah, I
think next episode will have a lotmore I guess discussion about what actually is
going on in the events other thanour personal opinions and how we are currently
relating it to like current events.So but yeah, that's that's basically all
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I had for this episode Learning atLast. I don't think I have anything
to add. Well, that's fair, other than it's one of those things
where it's like I regret that weeven have to discuss it. Yeah,
especially considering all the things that havehappened since then. Right, Well,
it sucks too because I know,I know a couple of people who have
their birthdays on April twentieth, andit's like Jesus Christ being a kid having
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your birthday and then seeing this blowup on the news. Not only that,
but to share your birthday with fuckingAdolf Hitler and then for twenty being
you know, marijuana whatever, smokingdope, smoking dope. Cho. Yeah,
it could be worse. You couldyour birthday could be on Night eleven
like Dylan Klebold. Wow. Soanyway, UM, thank you guys so
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much for listening. Um, Ihope you guys do like this new format
with Kyle and I and just kindof keep it more casual, I suppose,
and more back and forth It wasalways please help share murders my Sign
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mention this in the beginning, butI'm gonna mention this now, having just
listened to my April Fool's Day episodewith you on podcast Addict, I gotta
say, guys, I am sosorry for the amount of ads that we're
playing or that have played solo.There was a ridiculous it was a joke
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fool State one, it would cutme off and then mid sentence, I
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to the Murder is My Sign podcast, the only true crime astrology podcast,
and I'm your host, Jordi Death, here to light your way through the
true crime astrology storm. And instudio with me again is mister Kyle him.
I'm doing great. We've we've droppedall nicknames for you and we're just
going to refer to you as Kyleor mister Kyle or Lord Kyle or whatever
(01:02):
you wish because you don't like nicknames. Apparently I don't mind nicknames, but
killer Kyle is not. Fine.Okay, fine, Yes, I understand.
I would just like to say somethingthough before we start. Yes,
you know, obviously we're in themidst of this entire coronavirus thing. Yeah,
(01:22):
and I just want to say toanybody out there, I hope everybody's
at home are safe and you're healthy, and you know, there's a lot
of turbulent times coming and have gone. And I hope everybody that's being affected
by this, which is pretty mucheverybody, I hope you're dealing with that
pretty Okay, Yeah, And I'mso glad that you mentioned that, because
I definitely wanted to start this episode, you know, by saying the same
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thing. And I hope that youguys out there that are listening are really
taking care of yourself. And ifyou listen to the April fools Day episode
I did yesterday, hopefully you guyslike that. We are not going to
ansmr. We're definitely not going tobe doing that. There was actually a
(02:07):
lot harder for me to um andthat is how I'm going to get coronavirus
with you rubbing your nose all overmy microphone. Thank you. It was
a lot harder to record that thanI thought, because like having to talk
in a whisper or like talk softlyreally required me to slow down. You
should have talked to me. I'mexcellent talking too quietly. Yes, So,
(02:30):
but seriously, I hope you guysare really taking care of yourselves.
We're gonna be starting our new topicfor April today. The main overarking theme
that we'll be discussing throughout the seriesis mental health and mental health advocacy.
And if you've been listening to mypodcast for any length of time, you
know that I am a huge proponentof mental health and taking care of yourself.
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My mother is a psychotherapist. Imyself have struggled with depression for many
years, and I am proudly Iam probably to say that I am doing
much better. Thanks a lot tobe appropriate, because that has definitely helped
me. And I know that helpssome people, doesn't help other people.
But I just want to take theshame out of being medicated, like there's
nothing wrong with that. Mental healthis so important, especially during these turbulent
(03:14):
times. So if you guys arestruggling, please reach out to either a
trust, a friend, a familymember, or even Google, like if
you google your local municipality and freemental health. I know a lot of
people out there doing either phone complike phone sessions or video sessions. I
know my mom is doing that.So resources are out there for you.
Really take the time, you know, while you're sheltering in place or quarantined,
(03:37):
or especially if you're having to work, like you know, like I
know you are working, Kyle,because you're what's the word, You are
a needed member of society or I'man essential You are an essential member of
society. Yes, you are essential, and I am not. I would
also like to say what she's sayingabout mental health. You know, every
(03:57):
county that you live in has acrisis highline. Everyone is different, but
Google, you just pick your countyand pick the crisis hotline and if there's
there's people there that are willing tolisten, and there's people that are willing
to hook you up with the resourcesand the help that you need. I
just found out today that, unfortunately, I am furloughed until April thirtieth,
(04:17):
which is pretty stressful. I'm notgonna lie, that's pretty bad. I've
already applied for unemployment and things likethat, and unfortunately I heard that some
of my colleagues were just laid offflat laid off. So I'm really hoping
that our state will open back upat the end of April and that I
can actually go back to my joband things like that, because if I'm
(04:38):
laid off, so basically, it'slike everyone who has hired after me got
let go. And I've only beenthere for two years, and my two
year anniversary literally happened the day thatwe shut our doors for good. Wow.
Yeah, so I didn't get myone good no, not forgot indefinitely
definitely. Yeah. So I didnot get my one on one, and
I don't know if I'm going toget my raise. I'm really hoping that
happens, you know, because Iprior to all this, I did work
(05:00):
very hard and I really enjoyed myjob and things like that. But what
I'm getting at is, prior toall of this, I knew that us
that we'd be home for an extendedperiod of time. So what I did
is one of the perks of workingat a bookstore is I was able to
check out, kind of like alibrary, some of the books that I
knew we would need for our research. And you know, I keep talking
about this, but we haven't evenmentioned what we're talking about. So if
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you're if you're smart, if youput two and two together, chances are
that you know that we're going tobe covering the Columbine killers, Eric Harris
and Dylan Klebold. And the reasonwhy it's in April is, yeah,
that is the day. April twentieth, nineteen ninety nine is the day of
the Columbine shooting. So this particularseries, I think is going to prove
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very difficult and interesting. It's aweird combination because we are covering a lot
of very triggering topics, and Iusually don't do this a whole lot of
my episodes. I think I cancount on one hand me actually going ahead
and saying an actual trigger warning,and I will usually always do that if
it involves small children or rape,and in this case, I'm going to
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say that there's gonna be a bigtrigger warning for a lot of this series
because we're gonna be talking about mentalhealth and suicide. And it's not just
Dylan and Eric who killed themselves,but as we've done a research, there
have been like ripple effects after ofsurvivors who have you know, taken their
own lives. And I know we'lltalk about I'm sure like survivors guilt and
(06:30):
things like that. So just youguys know, I know, probably true
crime during this very crazy time isn'tthe best thing that you guys want to
be listening to. But I reallyhope that Kyle and I can provide some
some humor. I suppose, youknow, because we do both have kind
of dark sense of sense of humor. It's, you know, it's the
thing about dark topics, where likeI worked with prisoners for a long time,
(06:53):
multiple child molesters like h people killthemselves, people that have chopped up
family, Jesus Christ, you know, and Wisconsin. I can tell you
that, man, it's one ofthose things where you know, um,
I developed a severely dark sense ofhumor as a result of that. I
don't think that's very unusual, No, I don't. I think when you
(07:15):
work a high stressed job like that, like even like when I was working
as a mortician, like I knowa lot of morticians who have a very
dark sense of humor because it's it'sa coping mechanism. Okay, So,
because I'm on furlough, the threebooks I checked out from work were were
Warzy, which I'm still reading,so I'm gonna have to burn through that
really quick. I checked out Yeah, it's really funny. I checked out
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Columbine by David Cullen, and thenA Mother's Reckoning Living in the Aftermath of
Tragedy by Sue Klebold. So thisseries is going to be a little bit
different than the previous ones, especiallythe ones that you and I have done.
Kyle, I don't really have ascript. You and I have both
been kind of doing our own researchon this. I have a couple of
notes here in my book, Soyou guys might be hearing some paper ruffling
(08:00):
things like that as we kind offlip through these different pages and stuff to
bring up our points. And sowe're kind of gonna have to do like
rapid succession because I do have alittle bit of time, but I knew
I do need to return these bookswithin you know, probably two weeks or
so. AnyWho, I also havea Newsweek article from May third, nineteen
ninety nine, so like basically likea week after this happened, or a
(08:20):
couple of days after the event,maybe two weeks after the event. So
what I kind of want to accomplishin this episode, you know, because
we followed a pattern where you know, the first episode is always like the
background information of the individual, howthey grew up, things like that leading
up to the main event in thesecond and in the second envelope in these
second episode covering the main event,you know, what happened up to the
(08:43):
arrest if there wasn't arrest, andthen the third episode would be like the
arrest and after effect and then goinginto their star signs. So we're going
to be kind of doing the samething here in this episode, we're gonna
be covering our memories of where wewhere we found out about Columbine. I'm
kind of sure, our thoughts aboutthat, and then we'll be also talking
about the research that we or likethe things that we've learned about Dylan and
(09:07):
Eric in the events leading up toApril twentieth, and then um talking about
that will be referencing the news Weekarticle quite a bit. But I think
in the second episode, especially thatthird from especially from reading the Columbine book,
we're to see how much the Newsweekarticle, how much stuff they got
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wrong, and that that's actually whatI'm most interested about, because I really
haven't done two much research. It'sone of those things that I was,
like I said, I was aboutthirteen when that happened, Okay, so
I was finishing up eighth grade,going into high school. So it's one
of those things people talked about ita lot, and it was on the
news constantly. This is, youknow, three years before nine to eleven.
(09:52):
Yeah, two years before eleven twentyone, so that's yeah, two
years, and so it was oneof those where it's like other things took
its place, but you saw somuch for so long, and there was
so much bullshit, like even whenI was a kid, right about violent
video games and violent music and tryingto blame other people or what you know
(10:13):
what I mean instead of like kindof like how it is now, right
exactly, Like it's crazy having decentmental health services for sick people, right,
that's cheap and affordable. We blameeverybody else, right, well,
And it's so crazy, like withall the and misinformation that was going on
in the media, Like when thisfirst broke, like after the first shots
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happened, I think it took thenews station about thirty minutes before they started
coming on with the news about this. So it's so crazy to hear like
all the misinformation of like the wrongbody counts and things like that, and
how we can peril reports of thethird gunmen, right, I remember very
early on they said there was threeand they only right who died, right,
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And it's just like the same shithappened during the Walk Brewery shooting.
And then also all the ships that'sgoing on with COVID nineteen, all the
misinformation, like it's almost exacerbated nowbecause of social media. It's so much
more make money off of line.I mean, people have always made money
off of line, but the Internethas made it so much easier to make
(11:18):
money off of I mean, likewe could lie and say wherever the fuck
we want right now, and it'sa way to make money off of it,
right, you know what I mean? Like it's one of those anybody,
it's disturbing how it's it is spottales fun And this is why it's
so fucking important. You know,to do your own research to cite your
fucking sources. And if it hasa dot com, I swear to god,
(11:43):
you need to have another backup tothat dot org or dot gov.
Hey, I'll tell you what,APA, If you try to cite a
source in the APA dot com,it better be from a good dot there's
good dot coms and there's bad,right, And I will give props to
Wikipedia. It has begotten a lotmore credible, especially if you go down
to the sources, because everything inthe Wikipedia page should be sourced at some
(12:07):
extent, and that way you canjust kind of follow that and kind of
go backwards, I suppose. Butyeah, it's it's crazy. And back
in nineteen ninety nine, I waseight, I was in elementary school,
and I was living in Auclaire atthe time. I remember definitely Columbine was
like the first really big news thingI remember watching. And the biggest image
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that sticks out in my mind whenI think of Columbine is that overhead shot
from the helicopter and the students withtheir hands behind their head running out.
Yeah, And I remember, Ithink when I was in high school,
like we started doing like lockdown drillsbecause of Columbine and like active shooting and
drills and stuff like that. Wedidn't do a whole lot because I graduated
in two thousand and nine, whichwas the ten year and anniversary of Columbine,
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and in my time being there,we only went on lockdown once,
but that was after school and itwas like musical auditions and there was an
active shooter or gunshots were fired likea block or two away from the school,
Like it was it was like adomestic dispute, but because it was
so close to our school, theylike locked us down. Yeah, which
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made sense. So that was equalparts thrilling and terrifying. You can imagine
that. Um, But beyond that, in college, I didn't we didn't
really have any active shooter drills oranything that we didn't have to. I
went to a college that was designedby a Japanese prisoner co coach. She's
a guy who designed prisons in Japan. Like the building that I went to
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school, and one of the oneof the schools I went to, it
was pretty much riot proof. Wow, glass walls forty feet high. Shit,
you can drive a tank through.That's crazy. Like all the deans
you had to give you all thedean's offices. You couldn't get there by
staircase. They all had an elevatorand you needed a key to operate the
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elevator to get up to where allthe dean's offices were. Yeah, I
think now, yeah, I thinknow most schools have like metal detectors.
I mean, it's been forever sinceI've been in either an elementary school or
a high school. I haven't beenin a high school. Actually, I
had to get my high school transcriptsfor some job I did about fifteen years
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ago. It's been a long timesince I've been in high school. Yeah,
in a high school. So ifyou are still somehow enrolled in high
school, and or you teach outof high school or whatever, please,
by all means emailed the show.I would love to hear what the security
precautions are like now. I remembera couple of weeks ago when I was
working one of my colleagues, Dan, who is a teacher in ship Boygan
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Green Bay that area. That waswhen there was an active shooter and you
know, they went on lockdown andthen they you know, basically GTF.
Hode and he was kind of talkingabout how he was debating about either staying
in class with his kids or tryingto get everyone out, and I think
he said that he was closer toan exit, so they ran outside and
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ran to like the um elementary ormiddle school that was like nearby. And
then I also remember during this timeduring that shooting, I think it was
just a security guard that was hurtand also the shooter. I don't think
anyone was killed. Um. Iremember also in the news a Muslim girl
opening up the mosque street from theschool. Yeah, and she got a
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lot of people in. Did yousee that guy the teacher that the kid
brought a shotgun in school and hewas going to kill himself, and he
took the shotgun away from the kidand he hugged him until the police,
like he wrapped his arms around whenhe hugged him until he was a coach
of football, coach something like that. Um, I don't know. He
just got the Civilian Congressional Medal ofHonor. Oh wow, that I can't
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They happened a couple of months ago, but I just read that he got
the Civilian Medal of Honor. Goodfor him, though, And that's such
a powerful thing too. And thisis why I feel like this is we're
in such a dangerous time right nowtoo. It's because of social distancing and
not being able to hug people orshow affection and hug and physical affection is
so important, especially not only toyou, like your mental health, but
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like grieving and to like, youknow, I'm a very physical, touchy
feely person. And you know,I'm very blessed that we have the ability
that you and I can be togetherin like the same room. You don't
have to worry about that, butyou know, like the thing do it?
I don't know. I'm sequestered athome. You're the one who has
to work, so I true,yeah, thankfully you don't really work with
the public. It is more dangerousfor you, which is why this whole
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COVID nineteen, like just the situationskind of damn huge left turn. Yeah
we did. Um, so let'sget let's get into it. So we've
already kind of talked about, youknow, where we were when this happened,
you know, our memories of theevent. Let's let's start talking about
I guess Eric Harrison, Dylan Cleebold, you know, the two perpetrators.
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It's funny, it's arguably the thingsI know the least about. The things
I know about them are circa nineteenin two thousand and I don't even know
how accurate those things are. Ireally have not read too much since then
because so much other things have happenedsince then, especially nine to eleven,
like after that, like sure therewas just a domino effect of other and
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crazy shit to do. Right,Well, it's it's one of those things
like even though Columbine was, Ihate to say, like such a pivotal
thing, it's it's more or lesslike the gold standard of school shootings.
It's the godfather of schools shooting,right, which is crazy because like years
before this, there had been otherschool shooting plenty, And in this UM
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Newsweek article it actually talks about thosevarious school shootings that happened beforehand, and
then it's like every other week sinceColumbine, every other month there's been like
another school shooting. So because Ihave um Sue Kleebald's book here, obviously
there's gonna be more information on She'veheard Ted Talk. Yeah, we literally
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just watched that. Yeah, that'sa that's a really good I'm glad you
brought that up. She I thoughtshe was very her Ted Talk was about
mental health, right, and theimportance of it, and you know,
sitting there listening to it, Ican't hate her, Like I just cannot
hate her because my heart just breaksfor her the fact that she's enduring this,
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this incredible amount of pain, notonly to lose her son to suicide,
but in such a horrific way,and that people just blame her,
like how couldn't you tell Like whycouldn't you see the signs there? And
things like that, and like we'llget into that as we continue, right,
But I haven't really heard or granted, I haven't really looked that deep
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yet. But as far as EricHarris's parents, I haven't heard anything.
Well, that kid was I meaneven back in the day they knew,
like even in the like two thousandwhere it was Dylan Cleebold was there.
But even in two thousand they knewAir Harris is a fucking psychopath. Yeah,
and it's crazy because in that book, especially in the Columbine book,
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which I have a couple of pageshere, Mark, I have a lot
of pages here marked. Let's starttalking to about Eric Harris then. So
his full name is Eric David Harris, and he was born on April ninth,
nineteen eighty one, in Wichita,Kansas. And so April ninth.
That makes them an aries. SoAries is the first sign of the zodiac,
and they are their ram so theyare very impulsive, can also be
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very stubborn, and because they arethe first sign of the zodiac, they
kind of have like that older siblingvibe of me me, me me first
type thing, and they definitely wantmore or less, kind of want to
be this t time of attention,and they have a lot of energy,
but they don't always necessarily follow everythingthrough. So those are the typical signs
of Aries. Now, Dylan,he was born Dylan Bennett Klebold on September
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eleventh, nine eighty one, inLakewood, Colorado. Now September eleventh,
that is Virgo and Virgos. Theyare an Earth sign and they're known as
the Virgin. And ironically enough,in season one of Murders my sign and
that serial killer list I had,majority of the serial killers were Virgos.
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Now, I have some theories aboutthat because when you google like the serial
killer list, you can get tonsof different kind of lists with tons of
different kind of names, but inthe end it kind of boiled down to
Pisces and Virgos. And my thoughtis Virgos are so uptight and so perfectionistic
in their demeanor, like they wanteverything in its place, they want everything
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perfect. They're known as the Virgin, so they want everything simple and pure
and perfect, and when it doesn'tfit that way, they like bottle everything
up until they fucking snap. Andso that's kind of like my going theory
with why a lot of Virgos tendto be serial killers. But what do
I know, that's just my theoryany who. So, yeah, let's
start with talking about Eric Harris.I guess because he was a psychopath,
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like clinically a psychopath. I meanI remember, like back like when I
was a kid, they're talking aboutlike you know, oh they were they
chose for twenty because that's Hitler's birthdayand the whole like they were big Nazi
like aficionados and like yelling German thingsthat their classmates when they were angry,
like kind of like shit that wouldbe like fucking warning signs now or just
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kind of like ignored. Do youthink that was because they were like affluent
white kids? That's a really that'sone of those questions where I don't know,
like now time like right, becauseyou know, Littleton, Colorado's an
upscale area, you know what Imean, Like you know, like would
that should have flown in? Idon't know, I don't I don't know.
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I don't think anybody really is gonnahave an answer that no, But
I think you do bring up areally good question because both I mean both
Eric and Dillon had parents that weremarried, middle class, both white,
both of them. One of theirparents was in the military, like an
air retired Air Force, retired Navyor something like that. Yes, I
have that not somewhere. Eric's dadwas US Air Force. Okay, so
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they moved around a bit but thensettled in Littleton, Colorado. Yeah,
so Eric's dad was in the AirForce and then retired and stuff. So
they moved around quite a bit andthen settled in Littleton, Colorado. Now
in the book Columbine, it doessay that he was a complete psychopath.
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You know. He brought up areally good point, Kyle. With both
of them growing up in you know, middle class America and the upper upper
middle class America, you know Colorado, I want to say, if I
remember right, this is also oneof those things I remember from when I
was a kid. One of theirparents, like one of the families,
they had like a collection of vintageBMW's that was like on their property.
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It's like not your average middle classfamily, like people that had a little
bit of money to him. Ican't speak to that because I haven't gotten
that far my research. But yeah, sure, I just vaguely remember that.
Sure I was a kid. Yeah, couldn't very well be wrong,
but yeah, both Dylan and Ericwere incredibly smart. Eric was like a
straight student, and so like thisis in the nineties, so computer science
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is becoming very, very big.They're both very much on their computers.
Eric created his own websites, andhis websites he used kind of as like
a manifesto. Like, so bothboys are vaguely remember too, he had
like afterward the police were like,whoa, he has like super violent websites,
right, because they documented everything,like and we'll get into it and
here just a second, but Ericloved playing Doom, which is a very
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violent video game, but it's alsoone of my favorite video games. Well
do you know that's one of thosethings from this whole This whole situation that
I remember quite clearly is like politiciansand every people, they wanted to blame
the parents. They wanted to blameMarilyn Manson and quote unquote violand music and
violent video games without actually looking atthe causes for like you know what I
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mean, Like, it's just likewhen that dude shot up that also in
Colorado shot up that movie theater addressedas a joke, Like do you really
think if the Batman movie hadn't comeout like that that would have happened?
You know what I mean? Hewould have done something right, something else
would have caused that, right,But they wanted to scape goat the fuck
out of it. They wanted tofind what causes this, what causes?
Right? I was looking at thereason right because they want to point the
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blame because that's simple and it's easyand they can move on from it.
But there is really no reason forthis. And you know, Eric and
Dylan documented everything in their journals.Eric had his websites, and they even
would go on film do films.Yeah, I was just gonna get into
that. They did basement videos atI think it was either Eric or Dylan's
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as I can't remember, but theywould videotape themselves just saying how much they
fucking hated everyone, they fucking hatedthe world, and they wanted to kill
everything, ran all out. However, they would like write like short stories
in school about killing their classmates,or like they've filmed like a like they've
filmed things about shooting their classmates,and like some like should they would be
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like, are you kidding me?I can't believe that nobody saw this coming,
right. Thing. So here's alittle excerpt from the book Columbine that
I just kind of want to read, and it's on the chapter called psychopath.
Eric was neither normal nor insane.Psychopathy represents a third category. Psychopathic
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brains don't function like those in eitherof the groups, but they are consistently
similar to one another. Eric killedfor two reasons to demonstrate his superiority and
to enjoy it. So Eric wasvery much the instigator about all this.
Dylan was just depressed. He hatedhimself, He was in a lot of
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emotional pain. He just wanted todie. He didn't really want to kill
people. But because Dylan and Ericbecame very close friends, Eric was able
to like instigate and get him onboard. Dylan was very quiet, he
was very shy. Eric was veryoutgoing. He could really Eric could talk
his way out of anything. Basically, I get a lot of like Ted
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Bundy vibes from Eric, and hewas actually surprising, very good with the
ladies, Like he had a lotof dates. Of course, when it
came to their senior prom, hehad a bit of a struggle to find
a date, which really pissed himoff because Dylan actually had a date.
So the weekend before the shooting wastheir prom. Oh I didn't know that.
Yeah, the principle, you know, kind of did this whole big
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speech about you know, drinking anddriving and taking care of yourself and how
he didn't want anyone to die overthe weekend and things like that, only
for them to come back and thenon that Tuesday. You know, mass
chaos and mass mortality has happened.Yeah, pretty fucking crazy. Dylan was
just very depressed and stuff, andinto his journal he'd write about his emotional
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pain and things like that, andhow he felt love towards the girl named
Harriet and how you know, itwas kind of like one of those unrequented
love type things. Whereas Eric justfelt like he was over the world and
if anyone had an issue with him, he would kill them, which is
fucking terrifying. So here we gowith the Basement Tapes, as we were
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kind of talking about. So thisis taken from chapter fifty of the Columbine
book called The Basement Tapes. Ericwanted to be remembered. He spent a
year on quote the Book of God, but five weeks before Judgment Day or
Able twentieth, he decided that wasn'tgood enough. He wanted a starling role
on camera. So on March fifteenth, Helan Dylan began The Basement Tapes.
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It would be a tight shooting schedulewith no time for editing or post production.
They filmed with a Sony eight millimetercam quarter checked out from the Columbine
High schoo Video Lab. So theywere really embracing technology, not only with
instant messaging and starting their own websites, but they created these little tapes and
basically their first tape was kind oflike like a talk show, like how
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they had it set up. Itwas just a stationary tape and it was
in Eric's basement, outside of hisbedroom. You know. Eric joined Dylan
on set. They kicked back anda plush velvet recliner, bantering about the
big event, the shooting that wasabout to happen. Eric had a bottle
of Jack Daniels on one hand,and he called his gun Arline. So
they were able to get these gunsfrom various people that would buy for them.
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And this was back in the daywhere you could go to kmart and
buy like two box of bullets fortwenty five bucks. Yeah, you can
still buy an infiicient Walmart. Ericand Dylan never did. It was a
third person who bought them for them. He was later and we'll currently get
into this in like episode three.Maybe he was later brought up on charges,
like criminal charges because there was alot a lot of lawsuits that were
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going on and things like that.So because I was like they were both
one or eighteen, so I don'tknow how they were. I mean,
you gotta be eighteen to buy ammunition. You've in Colorado? Yeah, you
know, we kind of talk aboutthis. Um. Dylan was incredibly depressed.
He had a nickname called in.His nickname was Vodka with dn K
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an upper case, so DKA becauseDylan Klebold. And it was interesting because
as I was reading this, Iwrote down this note about how his drinking
and his excess of drinking to likerelax and kind of like just get out
of what he was feeling. Remindingme so much of Jeffrey Dalmer, because
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Jeffrey Dalmer was an alcoholic by thetime he was like seventeen, right,
Well didn't he when he killed?The first person was oh yeah he blacked
out drunk, Yeah, totally weightyeah yeah yeah. That was in Ohio.
So in the basement videos and thenthey made multiple videos. But in
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this particular video, Eric raised hisgun and aimed it at the camera and
said, you guys will all dieand it will be fucking soon. You
all need to die. We needto die too. Here's the thing that
keeps like going in the back ofmy mind is that Eric and Dylan knew
they were going to die, whetherwhether or not they're going to take their
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own lives or they were going toget like shot out by the police.
I don't want I'm sorry to interrupt, but one of the things that like,
I've actually it's been probably ten years, maybe longer, but I've actually
watched from beginning to end the securityfootage with the audio from the Columbine High
School, and I'll never forget.At one point they're like they're trying to
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decide what to do after they killeda bunch of kids in the library.
I want to say, yeah,and one of them, I don't remember
who one of them says, I'mnot done yet. I'm not done,
Like are you ready to kill yourself? No, I'm not done killing people
yet. Like that was probably isthat in gas that's just probably Eric saying
he's not done that. But it'slike, wow, Like I don't know,
it's just one of those it's oneof those things that's you hear something
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that sticks with you. Oh yeah, absolutely, I can imagine. I
remember seeing I mean, I haven'tseen those videos, but I do remember
seeing their photos after they died,and that yeah, like rotten dot com
type thing. Oh yeah, rottendot com. Yeah, I don't even
think that websites around anymore documenting realitydot Oh dude, I'm still a fucking
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member. I don't know if thatsite has been blocked in America yet,
but probably should be. Oh yeah, maybe I know it's blocked in a
couple of countries. So yeah,just um, Eric and Dillon basement tapes,
a lot of anger. I thinkwe're gonna wrap this up really hair
quick because there's not a whole lotmore to talk about because next episode is
going to be the meat and potatoestype thing. But what I do want
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to do is in the back ofthis book of Columbine there is a timeline,
So we can just kind of brieflytalk about the timeline quick, okay,
and then we'll kind of just endthe episode timeline for the shooting,
timeline of everything that led up beforethe shooting. Oh really, yeah,
all right, so it starts withtheir sophomore year in January of nineteen ninety
seven. The mission begins. Oh, okay, that's one other thing that
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I do remember from when I wasa kid, or at least this is
in the aftermath of it, butthat I remember they were both on probation
at some point because they robbed aI'm sure it's in the timeline. I
want to say it was their junioryear. It was right before their senior
year. They so obviously their junioryear, right, they robbed an electronic
electronics from a van. Right,So that's something that you remember from that
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time. Yeah, okay um.February twenty eighth, nineteen ninety seven,
Wayne Harris starts his journal, USWayne has Wayne Hairs his dad. It's
Eric's dad. Hey wait, sooh of course Eric Harris. Wayne Harris
is right his dad. Yeah.March thirty first, nineteen ninety seven,
Dylan starts his journal. The summerof ninety seven, Eric and Dylan start
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at Blackjack, which was a localpizza place that they both worked at,
and they built their first pipe bomb. July twenty third, nineteen ninety seven,
Dylan first mentions killing in his journal, possibly figuratively, and then August
seventh, nineteen ninety seven, Eric'swebsite is reported to the police. It
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lists his I hate rants and likehe would have all these like rants on
his website about people he wanted tokill people he hated things like that,
and a concerned citizen saw this andreported it to the local authorities, and
that was like the first time thathis name was documented in Wilton, Colorado
through the sheriff's department. So theirjunior year. October two, nineteen ninety
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seven, Eric, Dylan, andZach are suspended for breaking into lockers.
So in the beginning it was three, it was Zach was also a part
of this, and we didn't reallytalk to them much. November third,
nineteen ninety seven, Dylan first mentionsa killing spree in his journal. Now
I should mention after Eric, Dylan, and Zach broke into the lockers,
they were suspended and all three weregrounded and then Eric I know, well,
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Eric and Dylan were restricted from theironline privileges and things like that.
And this is kind of like whereZach kind of fades away had distanced himself
from them too. So this iswhy, or this is where Eric and
Dylan really become very very close andit becomes them as the deadly duo the
world basically, yeah, yeah,and it has this unknown time, but
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sometime at the end of nineteen ninetyseven and the early nineteen ninety eight,
Eric and Dylan steal from the schoolcomputer room January they were. That's something
we're gonna I think we need totalk about later is that their parents are
are at least Dylan's parents and likewe unlike, you know, they've never
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shied away from what they did.But there you always hear like the oh,
they were good kids, and it'slike, well, I mean,
but they were on probation. They'veobviously I think the parents. It's kind
of like seeing losing the Forest ofthe trees type thing. Oh. Absolutely,
yeah, January an important, Yes, absolutely. January thirtieth, nineteen
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ninety eight, Literally the day aftermy seventh birthday, Eric and Dylan are
arrested for breaking into a van.So that memory that you had. February
fifteenth, nineteen ninety eight. Deputiesfind a pipe bomb near Eric's house.
February sixteenth, nineteen ninety eight.The next day, Eric begins seeing i
psychiatrists and soon starts taking zoloft.So it does mention in this book.
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You know, when his dad Waynestarted his journal, he had like a
list going of things that needed tohappen, you know, probation, psychiatrie,
zoloft, all that stuff was onhis dad's list. The spring of
nineteen ninety eight. The dates areunknown, so it's approximate Eric's dad catches
him with a pipe bomb. Sothe parents did have it's at least some
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inkling. Oh yeah, at leasthis parents, right, right, that's
probably why you never hear from Youonly hear from Dylan Kleiboldt's family. You
never hear anything about Eric Harris's family. Yeah. I think it's probably one
of those things too, where theyjust want to distance himself as much as
possible. Right, the same thingwith Jeffrey Dahmer's brother. He changed his
name. He wants nothing to dowith that. Or I didn't even know
jeff Daman. Oh that's true becausehis mother took his little brother and left.
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When that's a whole different yeah.March eighteenth, nineteen ninety eight.
Dylan Warrens Brooks Brown about Eric's deaththreats. March nineteenth, nineteen eighty eight.
Eric and Dylon conduct their intake interviewfor the diversion program. So,
because they're on probation and everything,they had to go through this program.
It's like both so they both wentthrough this and their parents were there with
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them, right, So the parentsdid diversionary programs that means they weren't if
they finished the diversion program, theyweren't actually charged criminally for what they did.
I don't know. I'd have toactually a lot of different a lot
of diversion programs. It's you gothrough the diversion program so that you can
avoid actual criminal charges. Probably thatwould make sense, all right, yeah.
Probably. March twenty fifth, nineteenninety eight, Eric and Dylan are
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formally sentenced in court. April nineteenninety eight. Investigator Guerra drafts and affidavit
for a warned to search Eric's house. April eighth, nineteen ninety eight.
Eric receives his diversion program contract onApril tenth. Eric begins his journal.
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By May ninth of ninety eight,Eric and Dylan outlined the attack write about
it in each other's year books.May fourteenth, ninety eight, Eric has
switched from Zoloff to luvox. I'mnot familiar with luva probably, I'm not
familiar with it at all. It'sone of those drugs where I know the
name, but I don't. Idon't recognize it as We will investigate that
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for next episode. Now we're intotheir senior year. October twenty second,
nineteen ninety eight, Eric begins pipebomb Arsenal production resumes journal writing. The
next day, November thirteenth, Ericturns in his paper on Nazis. So
it does say in the book,and I know the media really played this
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up. Eric would do like thewhole Eik style or Ze Kyle type thing,
and the doctors wants to do itin school and shit, like I
remember, that's another one of thosethings from when I was a kid,
Like they were doing this in schooland somehow their parents didn't know the authorities.
I don't know if they were toldthe school like they would do it
in class. Oh okay. Novemberseventeenth, nineteen ninety eight, Eric describes
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his statistic rape fantasies in his journal. I feel like if he would have
kept going, he would have beendefinitely a Ted Bundy for sure. I
don't know enough, but I meanit was I do. It was clear
he was a severely disturbed person.If they wouldn't have done the mass shooting,
somebody would have died. Sure.I feel like Eric would have been
a serial killer. Oh if ifthey would have done the mass shooting,
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I feel like Eric would have beena serial killer for sure, and I
feel like Dylan would have just killedhimself or or worse. Absolutely definitely a
murder suicide, I think. ButI feel like because Dylan just wanted to
die, he wanted his pain toend, and Eric was just a fucking
psychopath. November twenty second, nineteenninety eight, Eric and Dillon buy two
shotguns and a rifle at the TannerGun Show. December second, Eric fires
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his weapon for the first time.January twenty third, nineteen ninety nine,
Eric and Dillon buy Tech nine fromMark Mains. No, Mark Mains was
the person who was actually sued orbrought on criminal charges for selling the gun
Tech nine. Is that where thatrapper gets his name from? Oh?
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Okay, not from that, butfrom the submachine gun Tech nine interesting.
January twentieth, nineteen ninety nine,Eric and Dylon complete the diversion program and
Dylan reas his journal. February seventh, nineteen ninety nine, Dylan submits his
story about killing preps must have beensome sort of like school article or something
like that. If I remember correctly, that sounds familiar. I think it
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was a creative writing class. Oh, he wrote a fictional fictional story.
About killing jocks for the popular kids. Yeah, because they fucking hated them
so much. March sixth, ninetynine, Eric and Dylan practice shooting at
Rampart Range. March fifteenth, Ericand Dylan begin filming the Basement tapes.
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March twentieth, Eric attempts to recruitChris Morris as their third April fifth,
eighth, and fifteenth, Eric talksto marine recruiter so like at this point,
because they were seniors and they werelike on the cusp of graduating,
like the whole college, like we'regonna do after high school. Everyone had
planned. Everyone was breathing out oftheir next Dylan actually went to go tour
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various campuses, like I think hewent to Tucson with his dad, and
then Eric's parents were like up hisass, like what are you going to
do? You're so smart? Sohe finally he agreed to get off their
back if he would go talk toa marine recruiter, if they would get
off his back, so kind ofliterally put it on a face. April
seventeenth, nineteen ninety nine is theprom and then on April twentieth, nineteen
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ninety nine, the massacre begins.I feel like we've talked about a lot,
but again again, I feel likewe haven't talked about anything because I
was honestly thinking the exact same thing. Like, we've gone through a lot
of different things, some of themtopical, some of them not topical,
but all relevant in various ways.Right, But like I said before,
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which is arguably the most important isthe least researched, right, Well,
and also I think a big partof it too is like we're you and
I are doing like this new formatwhere I'm not super scripted. Yeah,
and so it's weird not having likethings written down and just having reference.
But then also I think the biggestthing too is because I have to return
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these books so soon. It isliterally putting a fire under my ass to
like get this research out. SoI really hope next episode will be a
little bit more scripted, or I'llhave at least I mean, there's definitely
we're gonna the research available for thenext part is going to be, right.
(42:20):
It's it's like it's like an encyclopediasaid versus like an online article,
right, right, I'm information that'savailable, right, So yeah, I
think next episode will have a lotmore I guess discussion about what actually is
going on in the events other thanour personal opinions and how we are currently
relating it to like current events.So but yeah, that's that's basically all
(42:43):
I had for this episode Learning atLast. I don't think I have anything
to add. Well, that's fair, other than it's one of those things
where it's like I regret that weeven have to discuss it. Yeah,
especially considering all the things that havehappened since then. Right, Well,
it sucks too because I know,I know a couple of people who have
their birthdays on April twentieth, andit's like Jesus Christ being a kid having
(43:06):
your birthday and then seeing this blowup on the news. Not only that,
but to share your birthday with fuckingAdolf Hitler and then for twenty being
you know, marijuana whatever, smokingdope, smoking dope. Cho. Yeah,
it could be worse. You couldyour birthday could be on Night eleven
like Dylan Klebold. Wow. Soanyway, UM, thank you guys so
(43:31):
much for listening. Um, Ihope you guys do like this new format
with Kyle and I and just kindof keep it more casual, I suppose,
and more back and forth It wasalways please help share murders my Sign
with anyone you can, any waythat you can. You can find Murders
my Sign anywhere you get your podcastsor on your favorite podcast ma app.
(43:51):
You know what. That brings meto the next point. And I didn't
mention this in the beginning, butI'm gonna mention this now, having just
listened to my April Fool's Day episodewith you on podcast Addict, I gotta
say, guys, I am sosorry for the amount of ads that we're
playing or that have played solo.There was a ridiculous it was a joke
(44:17):
episode. It wasn't a real episode. But and I didn't add any mid
roles. So here's how my wholead thing with Sparker works. They add
the beginning and then they add theend role. So there will be an
AD in the beginning and there willbe an AD at the end. I'm
supposed to be in charge of addinga midrole, and a mid role should
go where there's like a break,so it doesn't like cut off my sentence,
(44:39):
but in this episode that you andI were listening to on my April
fool State one, it would cutme off and then mid sentence, I
was like, what the fuck?And so, guys, I'm so sorry.
I understand how annoying that is.I just want to acknowledge that and
because I know how annoying ads canbe. So anyway, thank you so
much for listening. Continue to shareand support Murders My Sign with anyone you
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Michelle, Crystal and Holly. Wewill continue the conversation of Columbine Killers
next week, and we hope thatyou'll join us. Until then, take
care of yourself and each other,and rest in peace.
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