Columbine Killers Part III

Part three of Columbine Killers, Kyle and I continue the epic and tragic story of what happened 21 years ago at Columbine High School. We know that everyone is being impacted by Covid-19 and times are incredibly difficult, so it's so important now more than ever that you take care of yourself, physically, emotionally and mentally. This episode as well as this particular series on Columbine talks about mental health and suicide which can be triggering. That said there are resources available to you.

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Episode Transcript

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This show making an adult language andthemes. Listener discretion is advised. With
that all the way, let's startthe show. You're listening to the Murder

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is My Sign podcast, the onlytrue crime astrology podcast, and I'm your
host, Jordi Death, here tolet your way through the true crime astrology
storm. And as always, asis the case, now, I guess
from now until you know whenever instudio with me is mister Kyle. Yeah,
hey, doing good. Could bedoing a lot better with all the
stupid fucking snow. I know,but you know, summer winter in Wisconsin.

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Yeah yeah, and as we arerecording this, today is the fourteenth,
so today is actually Milwaukee Day,so happy Milwaukee Day. Very good.
Yeah. I just saw on thenews that Lake from Prewiery was giving
away three six packs of beer tomedical professionals. No very nice. Yeah,
I don't know, probably not.But I see that you're wearing the

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Lake Front Brewery pin on your jacket, so that's cool. Yeah yeah,
yeah, definitely go support your localbreweries, especially during this time. So
all right, let's let's just getstraight into it. Okay, you know,
no h pussy footing around. Thisis going to be I guess part
two, which is it's actually technicallypart three, but it's part two of

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the events of what happened when theshooting at Columbine happened right when we left
off. We've really only just coloredlike the first ten minutes of the actual
shooting. Yeah, we had alot of tangents. There was also a
lot to crack open. Yeah,there's a lot too, kind of like
a very stressful kind of discussion.Yeah, for sure. I don't know.

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I'm more in like, I guessi'd better mood a better head and
space. I haven't really thought aboutthis much more so just you know,
plugging along, going to get throughthe twenty first anniversaries looming just around the
corner here. But yeah, ittook us about like half an hour or
whatever to get through the first tenimesbecause look, you said, there's a
lot to unload, a lot ofa lot to sift through. Pun intended,

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Yeah, maybe unintentionally. So allright, So when we left off,
the police were already there. Noneof the big bombs went off.
Were we at the part where theywere trading fire from he was fired,
Harris was firing from the school atthe cops outside where were at that part.
I think we were just about tothat part. The five victims outside

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have been shot, Rachel Scott andDanny Roeberger, Yeah, butchered as always,
we're gonna butcher those names. Sorryabout that, Danny Rum. They've
been shot and killed. And there'sabout a couple of other victims outside who
have been shot. The mts aretrying to get to them, and then
the deputies have already arrived and thepolice force is coming in full and Eric

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and the police are exchanging gunfire nowand it only really took them about about
twenty to thirty minutes for them torespond once they were notified. Now,
we had also talked about hostage situationversus non hostage, So at this time,
the police and everyone is is underthe impression that it is a hostage

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situation. And you know, Imentioned this in the last episode, but
this was like the first major televisedlike American tragedy. And it was also
in the dawn of the cell phoneera. So a lot of the students
at Columbine because it isn't in likea pretty yeah, pretty middle class,
upper middle class area, so alot of the students had cell phone.

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Yeah, because ninety nine. Imean, cell phones were definitely around,
but they weren't. It wasn't likethe razor, Like what do we talk
It wasn't. They weren't ubiquitous likethey are now, right, Um and
pages, I think we're still prettymuch the thing. But it was like
the Nokias, like those were kindof like the cell phones that were around
the big yeah Motorola's. So alot of the students were that had cell

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phones that were locked inside the schoolwere trying to call the parents, were
trying to call nine one one,and some even called the local television stations,
which I remember. I remember hearingthat later and I'm just thinking,
that's crazy, I know it.How do you find that number? Like
it's not like it's not like yougot Google on your phone. You had

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to already know that number, right, Um, I don't know, because
in the book Columbine by David M. Colin, he was saying that like
some of the students had televisions intheir classrooms that were hooked up to the
news because they were able to likewatch what was happening in real time,
like once the TV reporters got thereand it got to such a point that
the police officers were telling the stationsto stop taking these calls, and so

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when students would call into the stations, the reporters should be like, you
know, we needed to hang upand call nine one one again because they
kept getting like a delayed type likeinterloop, which can happen. But then
also they were getting a lot offalse information, which is where the rumor
of the third shooter coming in.And that kind of happened because in the

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beginning, Eric and Dylan were bothwearing their trench coats, right, and
so now everyone was thinking, oh, no, they're part of the trench
coat mafia, which technically they gottheir trench coats after the trench coat mafia
at school, like the little groupof guys who started wearing trench coats after
that whole fad pass, and solike they would hang out with them,
but they weren't really a part ofthis. Another one of those things I
remember hearing about later is that alot of those kids were like like they

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were like, we played like dand Dan at lunch, Like we weren't
like, yeah, they made usout to be like this like super gothy
like death worship kids, and it'slike we just played dungeons and dragons at
Yeah, they're like super nerds,but like the Quiet, you know,
just had their core group of friendsand stuff like that. So Eric and

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Dylan, you know, where theirtrench coats hit some guns within those trench
coats, and then Eric was thefirst one to take his coat off and
Dylan was still wearing his coat.So then that's how they got like the
third shooter, and then Dylan eventuallytook his coat. So then these people
are seeing multiple quote unquote, multipledifferent people, assuming that there's more than
two shooters, right, so thenthat information gets relayed and it's just this

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whole thing. So because the officersare under the impression that's a hostage situation,
they're taking their sweet ass time ofgoing into the school and trying to
get these kids out, which honestlythat based on that kind of thinking.
You can't help but blame. Youcan't blame them for thinking in that way

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at that time, right, right, and then that was the protocol at
the time. Now, of coursebecause of Columbine and everything that did happen,
that is, they they still implementlike the hostage stuff, like when
they get into the school, ifthere's an act of shooting because you have
to be flexible, you have toread the situation obviously, but now they
have a better response time and thingslike that. I think that's one of

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those things where it's like, youknow, it's not something you want to
look forward to, but it takesa tragedy like this for people to open
their eyes to what the possibilities couldbe out there, right, And you
know, it's I'll never ever sayit's a good thing, but if there's
a silver lining, it's that peopleare going to start looking at things from

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not a black like you know,what if you if you look at something
the same way all the time,you know you're you're doomed for things like
this. Yeah, absolutely, allright. I'm going to read a brief
excerpt from the Wikipedia page about thetimeline. This is at the eleven twenty
two am police response. So insidethe school cafeteria, teacher Dave Sanders and

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two custodians, Junks and Jay Galiante, initially told students to go under the
tables and then successfully evacuate students upto the scarecase leading to the second floor
of the school. The stairs werelocated around the corner from the library,
halfway in the main south hallway.Sanders then tried to secure as much of
the school as he could. Bynow Harrison Clebold were inside the main hallway.

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Sanders and another student were down atthe end of the hallway, where
he jestured for students in the libraryto stay. They encountered Harrison Clebold,
who were approaching from the corner ofthe north hallway. Sanders and the student
turned and ran in the opposite direction. Harrison Clebold shot at them both,
with Harris hitting Sanders twice in theback and neck but missing the student in

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the latter ran into the science classroomand warned at if everyone to hide.
Clebold walked over towards Sanders, whohad collapsed, and tossed a pipe bomb
into the cafeteria. They returned toHarris up in the library. All it
so in the book when Dave Colinis talking about Dave Sanders being shot,
you know, it says that hegot shot in the back and the neck.

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When he got shot in the neck, it went threw his neck up
his jaw and exited out, soit actually shot like exited out his mouth,
so he lost a bunch of teeth. He was then able to get
into the science room. And thisis unfortunately where he will eventually die and
it would take the officers three hoursand to get him. Is that when

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they put a sign in the windowand said like one bleeding to death or
something. Yes, yes, sowhen so in the science room. I
guess this is like kind of likethe row of science rooms. And I
don't remember in your high school,but I remember in my high school in
the science wing, all the roomswere connected by like an inner door inside
the classroom, so you could theoreticallygo from one classroom to the next.

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Some of them were las, butour school, the school I went too,
was not set up quite like that. Yeah, like there was a
science wing or some extent, butlike there were some classrooms that were connected,
and then some of them, right, I'm trying to remember more Like
I think I know they were connected, And I don't know if it was
like a classroom in between the bigclassrooms or if it was more like the

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like little staging area where the teacherswould get all the equipment if it was
a chemistry, a biology or physicsor whatever. But anyway, one of
the students in this classroom that DaveSanders had crawled into goes and tries to
find anyone who's first aid trained.So I think there's like one or two
students who were Eagle Scouts to comeforward and try and try to help them.
Well, I mean, I've neverbeen in the Eagle Scouts. I

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was in the Girl Scouts. Theydon't teach you shit about first aid.
But maybe they do not back inthe day when I, oh, that
would that make sense? Well,they train you on how to like set
bones and fractures. They don't trainyou how to deal with gunshot wounds,
at least back in nineteen ninety nineand earlier. I'm sure perhaps the training
now is different. But I meansome parts of first date or universal.

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I mean, if you're bleeding froma bad wooden's bleeding, you apply pressure,
like you know, unless it's goingto be a dangerous person's neck or
something, you elevate them. Youelevate the world, right right, All
this yeah, all this knowledge thatyou know, Um, these students tried
to apply to help Dave Sanders.Um. The mail students would take off

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their shirts and rip it off intobandages and tourniquets. Um. They would
try to apply the pressure to thewounds and stuff like that, and um,
they found a blanket and they endedup wrapping him up in this and
just trying to keep him warm.And then, yes, as you had
mentioned, someone took a whiteboard andbroke the window and wrote one bleeding to
death. And then the media helicopterswould circle around and focus on that.

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And so this was whole plane outand so the students knew that Dave Sanders
was in bad shape. Dave knewhe was in bad shape. One of
the students goes and grabs his walletand starts flipping through and starts seeing the
photos that he has. He hasa photo of his daughter and his wife
to all these great photos, andyou know they're trying to like Dave,

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you have to survive, you haveto pull through this. And then he
got really quiet and very cold,and he just told him it's like,
tell my kids I love them.And so when the swat team eventually goes
in to the school into this wing, because it took them, I think
about three hours for them to clearout the school as soon as they got
in and Harrison killed themselves around noon. Oh yeah, yeah, we're getting

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right up to their deaths pretty soon. When the SWAT team got to that
science room that Dave Sanders was in. Dave was still technically alive. However,
because of the protocol of the swatin triage, they had to leave
him behind. And when the familyfell out about that, they were fucking

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livid and rightfully so it's one ofthose yet again, you can see it
both ways. It's like, dothese cops, you know, they don't
know if the building's safe, youknow, are there are more people gonna
get shot while they're trying to getthis guy out of the building. It's
like one of those It's like,I don't there no right answer, right,
but the students were fighting very hardto try to get him out.
They were they're trying to plead withthe spot member very popular, like he

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wasn't he like a teacher that everybodyloved or something like it was one of
those like everybody loved that he wasone of the coaches. He was a
softball coach, and yeah, hewas a very much beloved teacher. The
principal, mister d was also verybeloved and he has a big part the
aftermath and everything like, and hetried incredibly hard to get as many students

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out as possible during this whole ordeal, even going out and then back
into the school to get more studentsout. So yeah, that is the
very tragic story of mister Dave Sanders, the only faculty member to have been
shot and killed during this Now we'reat about eleven twenty nine through eleven thirty

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three am. This is where thelibrary massacre takes place. As the shooting
unfolded. Patty Nielsen, this wasthe teacher who it was kids playing paintball
or yes, and somehow only realizedthat it was a real gun, not
by the sound of the gun shot, but by the large hole in the
window behind her ye, which iscrazy. Yep, everything about that is

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insane. Yep. Did you seea kid with a gun in this in
a school at any period of time? Like, oh, what kind?
What? Are they shooting a video? I think I remember reading that one
time too. It was like,yeah, she thought they were shooting a
video or something. Yeah, orthey everyone thought it was senior prinks because
it was April and you know,insane, yeah, and the senior class
and in the nineties that was insane. Yeah, yeahs fucking crazy. So

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Patty Nielsen when she finally realizes thatthis is for real, that there are
people shooting up a school. Sheruns to the library and this is where
she She's urging all the students inthe library to take cover underneath the desks,
which sounds good in theory, butthis will come back to haunt her.

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So this is were if they hada recurring lub plane of audio,
it was usually her clip because shecalled nine one one, and so she
called the nine one one operator.At eleven twenty five am, and fifty
two students, two teachers, andtwo librarians were in the library, a
bomb was thrown down the library hallwayby Eric Harris at eleven twenty nine.

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According to reports, Cleibold entered thelibrary first, followed by Harris. Just
a few seconds later, Harris yelledget up. When no one responded,
Harris fired his shotgun twice at adesk. Student Evan Todd, had been
standing near a pillar when the shootersentered the library and had just taken cover

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behind a copier. Todd was hitby a wood splinter in the eye and
lowered back, but was not seriouslyinjured. He then hid behind the administrative
counter. Once Harrison Cleibold moved.The shooters then walked into the library towards
the two rows of computers. Disabledstudent Kyle Vella Quiz was sitting at the

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north row. Now, in thenewsweek article that was printed like two weeks
after this, all the families hadgiven a little bit of information about like
their loved one that had died,with the exception of Kyle's family, So
I had to do a little bitmore research about Kyle. And he was
special needs um, but his parentsloved him a lot, and he was

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a very He loved doing chores,he loved being with his family. But
I think it sounded like he sufferedeither stroke or some brain damage around birth,
and he had literally just moved andhad started going to Columbine about a
month or two prior. Oh yeah, that's wow, that's yes, that's

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yeah. It's fucking terrible. SoCleibold fired his shotgun twice at Kyle,
fatally hitting him in the head andback. The shooters put down their ammunition
filled duffel bags at the south orlower row of computers and reloaded their weapons.
They walked between the computer rows towardsthe windows facing the outside staircase.

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They especially Kalibold began shouting and speakingto all the students in the library throughout
the massacre. In the library,they ordered everybody in the library to get
up and said the library was goingto explode. They stated how long they
had been waiting for this, andseemed to be enjoying themselves, shouting things
like Yahoo. After shooting, likeremember, they were saying like this is

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awesome, this is everything we'd everhoped for. So they were really feeding
into this. They repeatedly ordered thejocks to stand up. One of them
said, anybody with a white hator a sports embulance on it is dead.
So this is where the whole thingwith Eric and here Eric and Dylan
hating the jocks comes in. Andactually a couple of the students that they

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killed were jocks. Wearing a whitebaseball cap at Columbine was a tradition among
sports team members. Nobody stood up, and several students tried to hide their
white hats. Noticing that the policewere evacuating students outside the school, windows
were shut out in the direction ofthe police. Officers returned fire, and

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the gunmen retreated from the windows.No one was injured. I don't think
they injured any of the police officersat all during this whole thing. I
remember about hearing it about any cops. They were actually terrible shots, like
long distance wise, they were terribleshots. Eric and Dillon, Well,
I mean it's to be expected.They had pretty shitty I mean, I
mean, first of all, they'reprobably very inexperience with guns. Yeah,

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one number two they had really shittyand accurate guns. Right. Yeah,
they would go to like the gunrange prior to this, but I don't
know for like how long they wouldtry to practice. But so it was
at this time that they were inthe library that Dylan removes his trench coat.
He shouted for the jocks to standup, and when no one did,
he said, fine, I'll juststart shooting, and then he fired

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a shotgun at a nearby tail table, injuring three students, Patrick Ireland,
Daniel Steppleton and Machea Hall. Harristhen walked toward the lower row of computers
with his shotgun, firing a singleshot under the first desk from a short
distance away. While down on oneknee, he hit fourteen year old Stephen
Currow with a mortal wound to theneck. He then walked closer, got

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on one knee, and shot underthe Jason table, injuring seventeen year old
Casey Rusen Jagger with a shot whichpassed completely through her right shoulder, also
grazing her neck and severing a majorartery. When she started gasping in pain,
Harris tersely stated, quit your bitching. Harris walked over to the table
self of the lower computer table,slapped the surface twice and kept saying peek

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a boo, peek a boo,minus the echoing up my boom. Stand
here. But that's I'm not gonnalie. It's pretty terrifying. Seventeen year
old Cassie Burnall was under that tableand he shot her once in the head,
killing her. Harris had been holdingthe shotgun with one hand at this
point, and the weapon hit hisface and recoil injuring. His notes,

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he actually broke his nose because ofthat shot. He told Klibal he had
done so in Klibal responded, whydid you do that so, Cassie burnamal,
You know, if people remember anythingof Columbine, they remember like the
whole story of She said, yes, and that was falsely attributed to Cassie
Burnall's death because people having false memoriesof the events. And we'll get into
this a little bit later, butshe's the one who has like the songs

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written about her, books written abouther. She was basically made to be
a martyr. Even to this day, people still believe that. But I
really encourage you guys to read theColumbine book because it really sets the record
straight on that. Not to sayshe wasn't, you know, a devout
Christian and her faith was not veryimportant to her, you know, he
said in her final moment, shewas praying to God, but she was
not the person who said yes yesto Eric and Dillon would ask some of

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the students like, do you believein God? Oh? Okay? And
someone said yes and then he shotthem. Was not Cassie, that was
a different victim. After fatally shootingBernal, Harris turned toward the next table,
where brief Pasqual sat next to thetable rather than under it. Harris's
nose was bleeding. Witnesses later reporterthat he had blood around his mouth.

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Harris asked Squal if she wanted todie, and she responded with a plea
for her life. Harris laughed andresponded, everyone's gonna die. When Kleibold
said shoot her, Harris responded,no, we're going to blow up the
school anyway. So they had bigfaith in their bombs going off, which
at this point, I mean,they had expected their car bombs to go

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off already and they never did.So what don't you think, lay,
Well, if we fucked up thisbomb and that bomb didn't go off.
Well, but you're you're talking aboutpeople the thinking rationally. Clearly there they
might have thought rationally about what theyintended to do, but like you know
what I mean, that's that's verythat's very true. Again though I'm not
a doctor. So Cleibold noticed PatrickIreland trying to provide aid to Haul,

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who who had suffered a wound tohis knee. Ireland tried to help Haul
his head rose above the table.Cleibold shot him a second time, hitting
him twice in the head and oncein the foot. Ireland was knocked unconscious
but survived. Cleibold then walked towardsanother table. Is that the is that
the kid who he had brain damageto his speaking language centers and like,

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yes, he couldn't like he's tospeak properly he's the student from the name,
He's the student from the window,and we're about to get into that.
Oh okay, because he's gonna bethe one who's going to escape out
the window, right. I mean, he's doing fine in these days.
I mean he still has mild seizures, I think, but he survived,
and he has a family, andyou know, he's he's for all types

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of purposes, he's doing. Okay. God, this is depressing. I
know it is. So As Ireland, Why are we doing this to ourselves?
Because I thought it would be agreat idea to do. Season two
is killer Couples and Deadly Duos.Oh no, that's not what I meant.
I mean, like, this issomething worth discussing. Yeah, this
is one of those things that shouldnot be forgotten none, and it's something

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that happens a couple times a yearevery year. Yeah. I just read
this, really said statistic. Nowgranted this was like on Facebook, so
I don't know what the accuracy ofthis, but it said that this was
the first March since two thousand andtwo without of school shooting. Yeah,
so well that's really fucking said.So As Ireland tried to help haul his

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head. Rose above the table,Cleibold shot him a second time, hitting
him twice in the head and oncein the foot. Ireland was knocked unconscious
but survived. Cleibold then walked towardsanother table, where he discovered eighteen year
old Isaiah Shoals, sixteen year oldMatthew Catcher, and sixteen year old Craig
Scott. Rachel Scott's younger brother,who they already killed. Yes, she

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was already dead. Outside they wereall hiding underneath a table. Cleibold called
out to Harris that he found theI'm not going to say it, but
the N word, Isaiah Scholz,who was the only black student to be
killed, and he tried to pullShoals out from under the table. Harris
left Pascal and joined him. Accordingto witnesses, they taunted Shoals for a
few seconds, making derogatory racial comments. The gunmen both fired under the table.

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Hair shot Shoals once in the chest, killing him, and Klebold shot
and killed Ketchler. Though Shoals wasnot shot in the head, he said,
I didn't know black brains could flythat far. Meanwhile, Scott was
injured, lying in the blood ofhis friend's feigning death. Harris then yelled,
who's ready to die next? Sowhen you're shot with a gun,

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especially in the head, your brainmatter is going to fly everywhere. And
when blood and brain matterer drives,it turns into a very dark, rusty
color. Now brain matter is grayparents and when it dries, it's like
cement. It's very hard to getout. So I don't envy anyone who

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has the job of actually cleaning uplike crime scenes and stuff like that.
There are some really fascinating documentaries onthat. Did you learn that when you
were working? Well, I learnedthat a little bit from working at the
funeral home, but then also honestlyfrom reading Columbine and then also just general
curiosity from watching the documentaries on crimescene cleanup. But it would make sense

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like any organic tissue, when itwhen it's like liquefied and then dries,
it's going to be incredibly difficult toget out. Right. Yeah. A
fun fact though, if you getfun fact for those of you who don't
know, if you get blood,your own blood on a garment like so,
um, say you cut yourself andyou bleed on your T shirt,
it's just like a little thing,small thing. Blood in itself can be

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very hard to get out. Butif it's your own blood, if you
spit on it, it will dissolveit and it will go away. I
actually did know that. Yeah,so for all my lady friends out there,
that's very good knowledge. Gross.I know it's gross, but that
that has saved me. Kay,Mustard Man. One are the things you
hate most? One? Mustard two? Period blood three? Yeah, see

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you we're finding some lovity in thisdarkness, right, Yeah, great,
let's talk about period blood. Yeah. Let's let's get back to the shooting.
Let's just let's just finish this.This is this is rough, Yeah,
this is rough. All right.I'm gonna have to watch like we're
gonna have to watch a lot ofkitty videos. I'm gonna have to watch.

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Yeah, I'm gonna need some I'mgonna need some eye bleach later ear
bleach too, like year balls.All right. So getting back to it.
So, after killing Isaiah Shoals andinjuring Craig Scott, Eric Harris yelled
who's ready to die? Next?Eric turned and threw a cricket at the

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table where Hall, Steppleton and Irelandwere located. It landed on Steppleton's thigh.
All quickly noticed it and tossed itbehind him and exploded in mid air.
Harris walked towards the bookcases between thewest and center section of the tables
in the library, jumped on oneand shook it, apparently attempting to topple
it. Then shot up the bookswhich had fallen. Cleibold walked to the

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east area of the library, whereHarris walked from the bookcase past the central
area to meet Cleibold. The lattershot at the display next to the door.
He then turned and shot toward theclosest table, hitting and injuring seventeen
year old Mark Kington in the headand shoulder. He then turned towards the
table to his left and fired,injuring eighteen year old Lisa Krutz, Lauren

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Townstead, and Valeen Sure with thesame shotgun blast. Cleibold then moved towards
the same table and fired several shotswith his Tech nine, killing Lauren Townstead.
Now at this point, the seriouslyinjured Balin Sr Began screaming, oh
my God, Oh my God,Oh my God, and in response,
Dylan asked Sure if she believed inthe existence of God and when she replied

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she said yes, and he waslike, why God is gay? And
then Dylan reloaded, but then walkedaway from the table, So she's the
one who said yes. She actuallyends up surviving. Harris approached another table
where two girls were hiding. Hebent down and looked under the table and
dismissed them as pathetic. Harrison movedto another table, where he fired twice

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injuring sixteen year old Nicole Nolan andJohn Tomlin. Tomlin moved out from under
the table and Klebold shot him repeatedlykilling him. Harrison walked back over to
the other side of the table,where Townsted lay dead behind the table.
Sixteen year old girl named Kelly flemingheadlike repassed well sat next to the table
rather than beneath it due to thelack of space. Harris shot Fleming with

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a shotgun, hitting her in theback and her He shot at the table
behind Fleming, hitting Townstead, whowas already dead. Krutz again ended up
shooting her again and then wounding eighteenyear old Jenna Park. The shooters moved
to the center for the library,where they reloaded their weapons at a table.
Harris then pointed his Carbine under atable, but the student he was

(29:19):
aiming at moved all the way.Harris then turned his gun back on the
student and told him to identify himself. It was John Savage, an acquaintance
of Dylan's. He asked Dylan whatthey were doing, to which he shrugged
and answered killing people. Savage askedif they were going to kill him,
possibly because of firearm killing said what. Savage asked again whether they were going

(29:42):
to kill him. Kleibold said noand told him to run, so he
fled, escaping through the library's mainentrance. So I think that was like
the only person besides Brooks Brown inthe very beginning before any of the started
that they told to run get outof there. After Savage Savage had left,
Harris turned and fired his carving atthe table directly north of where he

(30:06):
had been, hitting the ear inhand of fifteen year old Daniel Mauser.
Mouser reacted by either shoving a chairat Harris or grabbing his pant leg,
and Harris fired again and hit Mouserin the center of the face at close
range, killing him. Both shootersthen moved south and fired randomly under tables,
critically injuring two seventeen year olds toJennifer Doyle and Austin Eubanks Eubanks,

(30:30):
I'm so sorry for the minis pronunciation, Eubanks, and then fatally wounding seventeen
year old Corey to Pooter. Hewas a last to die in the massacre
at eleven thirty five am, sothere were no further victims, and they
had killed ten people in the libraryand wounded twelve of the fifty six hostages.
Thirty four remained unharmed. Investigators wouldlater find that the shooters had enough

(30:52):
ammunition to have killed them all atthis point. Several witnesses later said that
they heard the shooters comment that theyno longer found a thrill in shooting their
victims. Cleibold was quoted as saying, maybe we should just start knifing people.
That might be more fun. Theymoved away from the table and went
toward the library's mains counter. Harristhrew it a Moultov cocktail toward the southwestern

(31:15):
end of the library, but itfailed to explode. Harris then went around
to the east side of the counter, and Cleibald joined him in the west,
and they converged close to where Toddhad moved after being wounded. Cleibold
pulled the chair out from the desk. Then he pointed his Tech nine at
Todd and commented, look what wehave here. Harris asked what, Cleibold

(31:37):
responded, just some fat fuck.Todd was wearing a white hat. Cleibold
asked if he was a jock,and when Todd said no, Cleibold responded,
well, that's good. We don'tlike jocks. Cleibold then demanded to
see his face. Todd partially liftedhis hat so his face would remain obscure.
When Gleibald asked Todd to give himone reason why he should not kill

(32:00):
him, Todd said, I don'twant trouble. Clebold responded back angrily,
trouble. You don't even know whatfucking trouble is. Todd tried to correct
himself. That's not what I meant. I mean, I don't have a
problem with you, guys. Inever will, and I never did.
Cleveland then spoke to Harris, I'mgonna let this fat fuck live. You're
gonna have him if you want to. Harris, apparently not paying much attention

(32:23):
to the exchange, looked at Todd, then back at Clebald and said,
let's go to the commons. Cleiboldfired a single shot into the open library
staff breakroom, hitting a small television. While Harris was walking away, Clebold
said, wait a minute, there'sone more thing. Then Clebold picked up
the chair beside the library counter underwhich Patty Nielsen was hiding, and slammed

(32:43):
the chair down on top of thecomputer terminal and the library counter. Cleibald
joined Harris at the library entrance.The two walked out of the library at
eleven thirty six am, cautiously fearingthe shooter's return. Twenty nine uninjured and
ten injured survivors began to move avacuatethe library through the north emergency exit door,
which led to the sidewalk adjacent tothe west entrance. Casey r.

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Was evacuated from the library by CraigScott. Casey would likely have bled to
death from her injuries. Patrick Ireland, unconscious and Lisa Krutz, unable to
move, remained in the building.Patty Nielsen crawled in the exterior break room
into which Klebold had earlier fired shots, and hid in a cupboard. So

(33:28):
now it's twelve o eight or it'sjust leaving up to twelow eight after leaving
the library. Yeah, so it'sjust before then. After leaving the library,
Eric and Dillon entered the science area, where they caused a fire in
an empty storage closet. It wasextinguished by a teacher who had hidden in

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an adjacent room. The gunmen thenproceeded towards the south hallway, where they
shot into an empty science room ateleven forty four am. They were captured
on the school security cameras as Ire entered the cafeteria. The recording shows
Harris kneeling on the landing and firinga single shot towards one of the propane
bombs left in the cafeteria. Itwas an unsuccessful attempt to detonate it.

(34:13):
As Clebald approached the propane bomb andexamined it, Harris took a drink from
one of the cups left behind clebaldMalotov cocktail and threw it at the propane
bomb. They left the cafeteria ateleven forty six, several seconds after the
maltalv cocktail exploded. About a minutelater, a gallon of a gallon of
the fuel attached the bomb lighted,blowing out a few windows and causing a

(34:36):
fire that was extinguished by the firesprinklers a few minutes later. One of
the things that one of the survivorssays that she remembers most is that once
the fire alarm went on, itremained on for the entire thing, And
I think it didn't go out untillike nine o'clock at night because I don't
think anyone on the SWAT team couldlike find someone to like deactivate it.

(34:59):
And this a lot. I mean, obviously, if you've been in any
fire drills at school, they're alot of shit. You can't hear anything,
and that sound alone, I thinkwould be very triggering for people,
yeah, you know, having PTSDafter all this. So, after leaving
the cafeteria, they returned to themain North and South hallways of the school,
shooting aimlessly. They walked through thesouth hallway into the main office before

(35:22):
returning to the north hallway. Onseveral occasions, they looked through the windows
of classroom doors, making eye contactwith students hidden inside, laughing and taunting
some of them, but never triedto enter or shoot in any of the
rooms. They taunted students hidden insidebathroom, making such comments as we know
you're in there, Let's kill anyonewe find in here, but never attempted

(35:43):
to enter the bathroom. At elevenfifty six am, they returned to the
cafeteria and briefly entered the school kitchen. They returned up the staircase to the
south hallway. At twelve pm theyre entered the library, perhaps to watch
their car bombs detonate, one ofwhich had been set to explode at twelve
pm, and both which had failed. The library was empty of surviving students,

(36:05):
except for the unconscious Patrick Ireland andthe injured Lisa Krovitz. Once inside,
at twelve o two, they shotthrough the west windows at the police,
who returned fire. Nobody was injuredin the exchange. By twelve to
five, all gun fire from theschool had ceased. Let's read these names
real quick, because I want todo it. I try to get their
names right, you know what Imean? Yeah? Sure, So the

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list of people that were killed.Okay, So the total deaths in order
of sustaining fatal injuries. So we'vegot Rachel Scott seventeen, Daniel roar Boll
fifteen, William David Sanders forty seven, Kyle Velasquez sixteen, Stephen kerr Now
fourteen, Cassie Bernal seventeen, IsaiahScholz eighteen, Matthew Catcher sixteen, Lauren

(36:52):
Townsend eighteen, John Tomlins sixteen,Kelly Fleming sixteen, Niel Mauser fifteen,
Corey Dupouter seventeen. You know whatI mean, whether we got those right
or wrong. Yeah, I thinkit's important that we would be No,
absolutely absolutely, I hope and hopenone of their family or anybody that knew

(37:14):
them is here's this I highlight outof this such a small podcast. Well,
but that's what I mean. ButI mean, if one of them
member does, it's like, youknow, I hope you know that,
Like I don't even know. Ihope you know that. Even twenty one
years down the road after all this, this is still I mean, we're
talking about what we're talking about.It is because what happened to these kids,

(37:35):
it's something that happens all the time, right, and it's like these
it's sad, but these kids arejust statistics now, right, and like
there were statistics even then, right, and twenty years later, we're still
talking about it because the list thatjust keeps adding more and more children.
Yeah, and like even though youand I, you know, joke occasionally
or make light of stuff, Imean, that's just how we have to

(37:57):
cope with this, because this isstill incredibly hard thing to talk about.
I mean, oh, billieve me. I have a severely dark sense of
human of me. I worked withprisoners. I worked for severe prison for
a long time. And it's justwe've already talked, Yeah, what do
you deal with it? Yeah,that's what we covered that before. Yeah,
I mean, anyone who's into this, I feel it has to have
a dark sense of humor. Soby twelve oh five, all gun fire
from the school had ceased. Bytwelve away, both gunmen had killed themselves.

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In a subsequent interview, Krowts recalledhearing a comment such as you in
the library around this time, Harrissat down with his bat to a bookshelf
and fired his shotgun through the roofof his mouth. Klebold went down on
his knees and shot himself in theleft temple with his Tech nine. An
article by The Rocky Mountain Noose statedthat Patty Nielsen over heard them shout one,

(38:45):
two three in union just before loudboom, just before shooting himself Cleibold
and maltav cocktail on a nearby tableunderneath which Patrick Ireland was lying, which
caused the table to momentarily catch fire. Underneath the scorched film of material with
a piece of Harris's brain matter,suggesting Harris had shot himself by this point,

(39:07):
and this part's really fucked up.In two thousand and two, the
National Enquirer published two post mortem photosof Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold, showing
both teenagers lying on their backs andthe guns and seemingly curious locations. This
led to speculate that Harris shot Kleboldbefore killing himself. The photographs were taken

(39:29):
after Swat had checked the bodies forbombs and booby traps, and the placement
of his blood and baseball cap suggeststhat Dylan fell first down on Harris on
Eric's legs before expiring on his back. A total of one hundred and eighty
eight rounds of ammunition were fired bythe perpetrators during the massacre. Eric fired

(39:51):
nearly twice as much as Dylan.He fired his carbine rifle total of ninety
six times and discharged his shot ontwenty five times. Dylan fired his Tech
nine handgun fifty five times and twelveruns from his double barreled shotgun. Law
enforcement officers fired one hundred and fortyone times during the exchange of gun fired
with the shooters. So now ofthe shooting's done, the killers have killed

(40:15):
themselves, and this is when thewhole swat I mean, so the SWAT
had been going in trying to getpeople out, but now this is kind
of like SWAT team still doesn't knowthat they're dead, which is why it
took them so long to get toDave Sanders and a lot of other people.
By twelve o'clock, spot teams werestationed outside the school and ambulances i'd
started taking the wounded to hospitals.A call for additional ammunition for the police

(40:38):
officers in case for a shootout cameat twelve to twenty. Authorities reported pipe
bombs by one PM, and twoSWAT team members entered the school at one
o nine, moving from classroom toclassroom, discovering hidden students and faculty.
They entered the end of the schoolopposite of the library, hampered by old
maps, unaware of new wings hadbeen recently added. They were also hampered

(40:58):
by the sound of the fire alarm, So the fire one really fucked up
a lot of things too. Well. I think this is a perfect storm
for just bad things to happen.Oh yeah, I mean it just really
is. And and it sucks thatthis happened. But you know, if
it wasn't for this, it wouldhave just been a different school, a
different shooting, and at different times. That's what's disgusting is that if it
hadn't if it hadn't been them,it would have been somebody else. Yeah.

(41:20):
But what's even more, I thinkthe shittiest legacy is like, you
know, kids want to be thesekids, Yeah, they idolize. That's
what's even worse about. They sicklygot what they wanted to be remembered,
right, and they're gonna be rememberedforever. Well, and it pisses me
off too. It's like people needto stop fucking idolizing. The media needs

(41:42):
to fucking stop idolizing these shooters bystop giving them the front page newsweek article.
Like you open up the page,it's got to fold out of like
all the kids, you know,and then you pull it's kind a full,
you know, it's got his likesenior photo of Eric Harris, like
you know, a whole full pagespread. It's like, why the fuck
did you give this kid a wholefucking right and they give all the victims

(42:02):
like tiny like yeah, like oneby two inch photo. It's disgusting.
Yeah, they like they got.That's one of the crazy part is they
got exactly what they wanted, right, and then here we are talking about
them twenty years later exactly. We'repart of it. We are. Unfortunately
it's like this, but it's likeit's like, but I don't remember it
because I want I don't remember thisbecause I want to remember those two pieces

(42:23):
of shit. Yeah, I wantto remember, like, you know,
you got to remember these things happenso that they we don't happen again.
Yeah, and we're just that's thecrazy takeaway. So it just happens a
bunch of times a year. Yeah, I don't know. That's fucking really
shitty. That's why it's so depressing. Yeah, we're we're almost done with

(42:45):
this episode. Okay. So whilethe spots going in and getting all the
students out and stuff, um,Leewood Elementary is a place where the families
of students and staff were told togather there um to wait more information,
so all students, teachers, andschool employees were taken away, questioned and
offered medical care in small holding areasbefore being bused to meet with their families

(43:09):
At Leewood Elementary. Some of thevictims' families were told to wait on one
final school bus that never came.There's a whole chapter on that in the
book. And it's really fucking sadbecause eventually, like the parents kind of
start to see like everyone else leaving, and then the thirteen students there because
at this point Dave Sanders' wife isat home, so then you have twelve

(43:31):
families there at the school, youknow, just told that there's like one
final bus. And what's really sadis, as you read the book,
Cassie Brunal's parents just refuse to believethat she's dead. Absolutely refuse, well,
there's still one more bus. There'sstill one more bus, because it's
something to hold onto, right,So when they heard the whole story of

(43:52):
her being like she said yes andmartyr, they held onto that and they
like that is what gave them ahope, That's what gave them, and
the fucking clergy fucked on that andthey made her into a martyr. And
it wasn't until the reports of likeum, Emily and Valeen. Valien was
the one who actually said yes,and Emily was the one who was there.

(44:14):
Um, there was this um itwas Craig Scott who had the false
memory of Cassie saying that, whichis like, can you really blame him?
I mean, do you imagine allthat shit happening? And you're,
you know, right, But forEmily and Valeen, their lives were living
hell, not only because of thePTSD and everything. They just survived,
but people would attack them for basicallydefaming Cassie's memory by saying that she didn't

(44:38):
say that right, So they werethey were attacked, they weren't believed.
Basically everyone told him to shut up, give the Burnells this moment. And
it wasn't until this book. Well, I mean, the news came out
later down the road, and thenCassie Burnell's parents, her mom wrote a
fucking book called she Said. Yeah. The band fly Leaf wrote a song

(45:01):
called Cassie, which is actually areally good song. I do you like
that song? But yeah, there'sthis whole myth, this whole martyredom surrounding
her, and yeah, she wasvery avin a lot of these students.
Look, this big community was verydevotely Christian and a lot of these students,
you know, went on mission tripsand things like that. So religion
was a really big part of them. For it was a really big part

(45:22):
of their life. But it's justlike you get and we can completely relate
this to like our current media,Like you get one nugget of information,
whether it's false or crimes, butit just takes off because it sounds good
in the media. Oh yeah,it's plenty of that. Yeah. So
here's where it comes to Patrick Irelandescaping through the window. Okay, Patrick

(45:43):
Ireland had regained and lost consciousness severaltimes after being shot by Dylan. He
was paralyzed on his right side,but he crawled to the library windows,
where on live television at two thirtyeight pm, he stretched out of the
window, intending to fall into thearms of two Spot Team members standing in
the roof of the emergency vehicle,but instead fell directly into the vehicle's roof

(46:05):
in a pool of blood. Hebecame known as the Wine the Window.
They were literally criticized for allowing Irelandto drop more than seven feet to the
ground while doing nothing to try toensure he could be lowered to the ground
safely or break his fall. Iremember after that saying that the cops were
telling him too. They were tellinghim like, we're here to help you,
don't come out, but I don't. People didn't know at the time

(46:28):
is that he had literally brain damagein the language centers of his brain.
Absolutely, it's not even sure whetherhe understood what they're saying, right,
and so in his whole chapter inthe book, that's that's exactly what's being
recounted, is that the SWAP memberscould not move fast enough to get to
Patrick, and he had such ahard time going in and out of consciousness,

(46:49):
like understanding what was going on,and it took him years to like
regain back his speech like that,I want to say, like he had
like a shotgun pellet went through hisyep and according to the book, it's
still in there. They couldn't removeit. Um, he's getting better with
the speech and everything, but hewas getting so frustrated during his rehabilitation because
um of the inability to walk rightaway, and because he was also shot

(47:12):
in the foot. Yeah, thedoctor's zip proalysis right, or he had
like a like prolysis on one side, right, or he could not feel
that his foot was broken, Iremember, right, right, And so
like when the doctors finally got himto the hospital, they did not bother
to fix his foot because they saidthat he would never walk again. Well
he's walking. And because they neverfixed his foot, he has he's gonna

(47:35):
have to like use a cane andwear like a special shoe for the rest
of his life. I suppose whenhe got when he's got somebody shot in
the brain, fixing their foot thefirst, right, yeah, you know
what I mean, like fixing thebrain is well. The hospital he was
also taken to at first was notdesigned for that kind of case. It
was more of like a like anemergency type hospital obviously. So then he
was eventually transported to Craig Hospital,which is um renowned for the ability to

(48:00):
help through these kind of situations,to help patients breaking the ability to walk
or you know, a lot ofintense physical therapy. At two fifteen pm,
students placed a sign in the windowone bleeding to death in order to
alert police a medical personnel of DaveSanders's location in the science room. Police
initially feared it was aroused by theshooters. A shirt was also tied to

(48:22):
the door knob at two thirty andthis was spotted and by two forty SWAT
officers evaluated the room. I'm sorry. At two forty, SWAT officers evacuated
the room of students and called fora paramedic. Hansy and Starkey were reluctant
to leave Sanders behind. Those werethe two students who were trying to help
him. By three pm, theSWAT officers had moved Sanders to a storage

(48:45):
room, which was more easily accessible. As they did so, a paramedic
arrived and found Sanders had no pulse. He had died of his injuries in
the storege room before he could havereceived medical care. He was the only
teacher to die in the shooting andto this day, like his family is
still pretty upset because you know,obviously, if they would have gotten to

(49:05):
him sooner, he probably could havesurvived. Yeah, But at the same
time, and that's one of thoseThis is not to downplay any of the
victims deaths, and this isn't thisis not making excuses for the cup of
police. But it's like if youdon't know for sure that there's nobody else
in the build, you know whatI mean, It's like there's no right
answer there, like like yeah,I don't you know. It's like and
honestly, hindsight is twenty twenty.It's easy for us twenty years later to

(49:29):
say, well, this is whatthey should have did or what the plush
should have did, But it's like, but I knows what the hell they
were they would you know what,I just, I just I don't ever
I don't ever want to be inthat kind of position. Don't ever want
to be in that kind of positionwhere I know I could have saved someone
or in having all those what upsbecause it was that's the ship that's going
to eat you alive. Well,that's one of those things where it's like
if you ever had situations come upwhere somebody's life is endangered, it's like

(49:51):
you gotta do what you can.Yeah, and you know, I don't
know, Yeah, I don't know. So once the school was completely thatcated,
Creutz was finally evacuated at three twentytwo PM, along with Patty Nielsen,
Brian Anderson, and the three librarystaff who had hidden in the rooms
adjacent to the library. Officials foundthe bodies in the library by three thirty,

(50:12):
and by four Sheriff Stone made aninitial estimate of twenty five dead students
and teachers, fifty wounded and referredto the massacre as a suicide mission.
And then US President at the time, Bill Clinton, issued a statement,
so then, because there are somany bombs everywhere, the bomb squad had
to go in. So Stone saidthat the police officers were searching the bodies

(50:32):
of the gunmen. They feared thatthey had used their pipe bombs to booby
trap corpses, including their own.At four thirty pm, the school was
declared safe. At five thirty additionalofficers were called in as more explosives were
found in the parking lot and onthe roof. By six fifteen, officials
had found a bomb in Kleboldt's carin the parking lot, set to detonate

(50:52):
the gas tank. Stone then markedthe entire school as a crime scene.
At ten forty pm that evening,a member of the bomb squad, who
was attempting to dispose of an undetonatedpipe bomb, accidentally lit a striking match.
Attached the bomb by brushing it againstthe wall the ordinance disposal trailer.
The bomb detonated inside the trailer,but no one was injured. The bomb

(51:15):
squad disrupted the car bomb and Dylan'scard was repaired and in two thousand and
six was put up for auction.It's fucking crazy. Nobody owns the steering
wheel from what of Hitler's cars,like the Kennedy was killed in. I'm
pretty sure that was so yeah,there's this whole racket where you can buy

(51:36):
serial killer and memorabilia. It wasfucking crazy. So we're gonna wrap it
up here. Next episode we willget into the aftermath, like the immediate
aftermath of what had happened, andthen, um, I think we'll just
kind of keep that maybe a littlebit short, and then just get into
like the astrology part of it.So, but the big thing I needed
everyone to remember. Okay, soyou know, it's it's ten What did

(51:59):
I say? It was ten fortyalmost eleven o'clock that night the bomb goes
off. The bodies of Rachel Scottand Danny r are still outside, and
the bodies of the ten students thatwere killed in the library along with Dylan
Eric are still inside the library.I'd also like to point out that no

(52:20):
one bothered to cover Danny and Rachel'sI think that's I think that is of
all the things, that's the mostthat's the thing that's unforgivable. Yeah,
It's like, in a situation likethis, you kind of gott to leave
the evidence. I mean, it'shorrendously to say, but they're evidence now,
and you gotta leave them where theyare. Yeah, but at least
cover them up. Yep. Ithink that's the of all. Like,

(52:44):
it's not my family member, andI would want them picked up right away,
yep, what I mean. Butto not cover them is really it's
disrespectful. It's not I wouldn't,it's it's just it's an oversight of the
highest magnitude. Yeah. And I'mspeaking from someone who used to like go
to scenes and pick up bodies,and I'm saying that it's completely lack of
sight and it's completely disrespectful not onlyto the to the deceased, into the

(53:07):
family and parents of the deceased,but for those who are actually watching the
ship on television, you know,and the whole fucking media should not have
been as up their ass as theyshould have been because of that whole thing.
But um, I mean, fastforward to now and just be cell
phones and camera phones. Yeah,absolutely, Twitter, absolutely, you know.
I remember I mentioned this in thelast episode about one of the parents

(53:30):
who literally was columbiding was in theirback back room. I believe that was
the family of Cassie Burnall. Andthen like when they finally were standing on
the roof. Yeah. Yeah,So when they finally got home, the
dad went onto the roof or theshed of the roof or whatever with his
binoculars. And this was like ateleven o'clock at night, because he could
hear the boom go off, andhe knew his daughter was in there,

(53:51):
he just didn't know where. Andso like that was like something that was
very heavy on their hearts. Ican't even imagine. Yeah. So all
right, so this is where we'regonna stop for this episode. I think
we've talked long enough about this hardsubject. UM. We will pick up
next week. Actually, you knowwhat, UM column with the anniversary of
Columbine is coming up here on thetwentieth, so we might be doing a

(54:12):
special episode about that. UM maybemore so talking about like the memorial services
that were held, you know,and honoring the memory of the thirteen who
died. I still have a hardissue with that because Dylan and Eric are
still dead. Yes, they perpetratedit, but they were also you know,
kids of you know, they stillhad parents. So it's a very
conflicting thing. But you know what, we will, I think talk about

(54:35):
that. It's definitely what we've talkedabout next time. But realistically, you
know what I mean, rightly orwrongly, they still had people that love
them, even if they didn't givethat love back or they didn't feel that
love and return right, especially fromone of them. Same thing with all
the other serial killers that I've covered. All right, guys, there's always

(54:58):
something out there that usually there's atleast one or two people out there that
care about you. Yeah, hopefullyall right. Well, on that note,
On that note, guys, Ihope you guys are all taking care
of yourself during this very strange time. I know I keep saying that,
but really, just make sure youtake the time for self care and all
that jazz. Thank you guys,just for your physical health, your mental
health as well. Yeah, turnoff the news, get off of social

(55:20):
media for a little bit. Goread a book, reread a book,
Do something creative, bring juices flowing, do something active. If you can
oh wait. And you know,and if you need somebody to talk to,
please don't hesitate to look up yourlocal crisis hotline. Absolutely, there's
always going to be somebody there thatit's their job to talk to you,

(55:42):
to make to try to help you. Absolutely, And every county, every
city has a number and it's oneGoogle search away. Yeah, get some
help. Yeah, please, andor you know, look up the suicide
hotline if you definitely need someone tothink of talk to if if it's getting
really bad. But just know thatthey're they're sources out there for you.
You are, you are a valuable, worthy person who's worthy of, you

(56:06):
know, being heard and being lovedand being respected. So really, if
you guys are struggling, to makesure that you reach out and so that
way you can start getting the helpthat you need, okay, because your
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(57:15):
And I'd like to add that theNational Suicide Prevention Lifeline, also the
National Crisis Line, is one eightone hundred two seven three eight two five
five. It's the national crisis numberanywhere in the United States. Absolutely.
I think they even have a numberthat you can text now too, so
and then that note, guys,really just please make sure that you take

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care of yourselves, okay, anduntil next time, rest in peace,