March 6, 2020 • 56 mins
Kyle is in the studio with me for this first installment of Deadly Duo Hillside Stranglers.
Tune in as I tell Kyle all about Kenneth Bianchi and Angelo Buono, and discover how easily distracted and off-topic we get!
I apologize in advance for the less than ideal sound quality, I am actively working on getting it resolved for the next time he joins me, which is why there is no music in this episode.
Tune in as I tell Kyle all about Kenneth Bianchi and Angelo Buono, and discover how easily distracted and off-topic we get!
I apologize in advance for the less than ideal sound quality, I am actively working on getting it resolved for the next time he joins me, which is why there is no music in this episode.
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This show may contain adult language andthemes. Listener discretion is advised. With
that all the way, let's startthe show. Now. You're listening to
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the Murder is My Sign podcast,the only true crime astrology podcast, and
I'm your host, Jordi Death hereto let your way through the true crime
astrology storm and in studio with metoday, ladies and gents, is the
one, the Only, the fabulous. Mister Kyle, Hello, thank you
so much for being such a trooperand helped me out with today's episode.
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I think, well good because Iwish I had some sort of creepy serial
killer asque Carlo Homelica type comeback,but I really don't, and that was
the episode I just did. Soany who, Welcome to March. Everyone,
Welcome to the ship show. Um, Kyle, do you know what
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uh deadly duo were I am focusingon this month? By chance? CHANCESI
no, I did that last month. Um no, that that was last
month. This month? Uh itis the Deadly duo, the Hillside Stranglers.
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Are you familiar with them at all? I thought it was singular.
Well at the time, yes,authorities, when the murders were going around,
they thought, um, that theywere just going to be looking for
one person. Um. But aswe'll get into it with how the bodies
were found, they the authorities soonrealized that it would be more than one
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individual. Do you know who theHillside stranglers were? By chance? Like
any background information at all? Uh? No, I actually I thought there
was one. Two. Well you'regonna get yourself an education today, boy.
Um so yeah. So in howI'm doing this season is uh my
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listeners out there now, but I'mjust explaining to you for your benefit.
Each episode's about twenty to thirty minuteslong because I break it up into parts.
So today we'll talk about, youknow, the background of the two
individuals, and then leading up totheir first kill, and then the third
The second episode will be kind ofencompassing all their murders that they did and
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then their capture, and then thethird and final episode is dealing with the
trial, their time in jail,if they you know, if they went
to jail, how all that wentout, And then I get into the
astrological bit about you know, theirsigns and their compatibility and you know all
that good stuff. So yeah,all right, So to start off,
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we're gonna go into our little timemachine. Here all Wayne and Garth,
all the Wayne's world, and we'regonna head back to nineteen seventy seven.
I'm pretty sure I can find likea sound effect. Whoa man, it
smells like petui. So it's nineteenseventy seven and the bodies of naked women
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and girls have been appearing in thehills surrounding Los Angeles. At the time,
authorities believed it to be the workof only one person, but from
how the bodies were laid out andthe lack of drag marks to the site
of where the bodies were discovered,authorities quickly realized that they would be in
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search of two perpetrators. Really,like, what if it was just one
guy carrying carrying them like something orlike a potato sack. I mean,
m oh, I suppose that wouldbe pretty suspicious. It would it would
be suspicious. And then I alsofeel like, with it being in the
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seventies, unless you're on the Schwatzenaggaand you're a body builder, I don't
think that a lot of people wouldbe able to carry your typical average woman.
I don't know, I really don'tknow, But I don't know.
Fireman carries pretty I don't know,probably sure, yeah, and some of
these they yeah, well we'll continueon anyways, we'll be suspended disbelief in
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that thought. I'm not a policeofficer, and fought spoiler alert right they
got obviously I don't know what I'mtalking That's okay, but okay, So
we're not going to get ahead ofourselves too much here. We need to
go back even further to nineteen fiftyone. And now we're in Rochester,
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New York, in the fifties,and this is where Kenneth Alessio Bianchi was
given up for adoption just two weeksafter he was born by his alcoholic teenage
mother, who was also a sexworker. Now in the fifties, I
can only imagine like the scandal thatwould have been, you know, being
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in that kind of line of work, I suppose, let alone being a
teenage mother. Crazy times anymore,No, not anymore. Kenneth was born
on May twenty second, nineteen fiftyone, but he would not be adopted
until August of that year. Hewas taken in by Nicholas Bianchi and his
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wife Frances and Kenneth would be theironly child. Now Francis was unable to
have children and had had hysterrect meto remove her faulty reproductive organs, and
this left her feeling immeasurably depressed andher life lost its meaning. Like all
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she wanted to do was just havea family and have kids. I mean,
it was the nineteen fifties and shejust wanted nothing more to be a
good housewife. So friends finally wereable to convince her and Nicholas to adopt,
and Francis guarded her new son asa tigress, like a tiger mom,
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and she fretted over every little thingthat the kid did, to the
point where baby Kenneth had four differentdoctors in his first year, but nothing
was ever seriously wrong. It's prettyclear that Francis was becoming a hypochondriact.
And I mean, I guess Idon't blame her to a point. I
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mean, if you're unable to havekids and finally you're able to, you
know, adopt this baby, ifyou're gonna want to protect that little thing
with your life. Yeah, buthelicopter parenting and overid over your kid can
cause some problems. Oh that's anecdotalfor me at best. Well, it
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really caused problems for Kenneth. Ohyeah, it was so bad. By
the time he was five, adoctor diagnosed Kevin or Kenneth with petite mall
seizures, which are also known asabsent seizures. So basically he would have
like these trance like daydreams and hiseyes would roll to the back of his
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head and uh. And according toWikipedia, he was also prone to involuntary
urination and underwent a lot of physicalexaminations. Um, this is also the
age that he began to be acompulsive liar. So I don't know,
remember reading something somewhere there's a connectionbetween bed wedding or incontinence, yeah,
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childhood and I want to say psychopaths. Yeah, yeah, there's like a
connection between the two. There isliterature out there, um, like the
three totel signs of like a psychopathor sociopath is wedding the bad um beyond
what wou would be quote unquote thenormal age, and then um torturing animals
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and uh, pyrotechnic setting fires tothings. Oh yeah, there's a huge
coincidence between um. This is fromwhat I work in corrections and back in
psychology. There's a huge connection betweenUM, Arson and sexual assault. There's
there's between the two. Interesting.Huh. Well, I gotta say I'm
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not honestly all that surprised. Inthe research I've done so far up to
this point, I've not really seenanything about like arson or fireplay in these
two. But there is a lotof sexual soul and abuse. So yeah,
I think it's outstanding that this guy, like you know, Kenneth at
five year old five years old,was also was already a compulsive liar.
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It just seems like he had abag of problems from the get go.
He was he was prone to fitsof rage, anger, had a lot
of behavioral problems, which led himto be diagnosed with a passive aggressive personality
disorder by the age of ten,and although this label is no longer in
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use, in the Diagnostic and StatisticalManual of Mental Disorders, it is noted
that the passive aggressive disorder may stemfrom a specific childhood stimulus, such as
having an alcohol or drug addicted parent, or suffering from abuse in an environment
where it's not safe to express frustrationor anger. His behavior also indicated that
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he was bitterly resentful of his mother, the one person whom he most depended
on. And you have a degreein psychology, right, or a backgroundel
science and psychology. Oh okay,so yeah, I just thought that was
very interesting that he was given thatdiagnosis of passive aggressive behavior, which when
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I read more into it, itmean made more sense. And you know,
as we get into it, you'llkind of see how his personality definitely
seems to fall into that category.Oh absolutely, I mean, personality disorders
are some of them. I cantell you firsthand. Personality disorders are some
of the hardest to work with becausethey have the most extreme behavioral issues.
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Yeah, some of them, somemore than others, but they can.
Personality disorders are pretty rough and tumblesthings to deal with. Yeah, I
could imagine living with one let alone. It's hard work something that has one.
Thank god you're not dating one.This is such a healthy relationship.
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It truly is. I love youso much. Anyhow, So, when
Kenneth was eleven, his IQ wasmeasured at one hundred and sixteen, which
is above average intelligence, but it'snoted that he was an underachiever and did
not get along with his teachers,which caused him to be moved to different
schools. Even his mother describes himas being lazy. But I guess when
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Francis was holding her child up ona pedestal, I think for her to
say that was really like kind ofa shock even for her. I wonder
if, like this is speculation part, but I wonder if you know,
not being able to have a childon your own adopt a kid is a
set like I can't have my ownchildren. Then when that kid doesn't live
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up to whatever your perfect child isn'tin your head, you know, that's
sort of then you start of kindof like when that doesn't when the reality
doesn't match, when reality doesn't matchyour ideal, Yeah, what sort of
interaction did that? That is thisreally good point that you bring up.
And within the multiple sources I've beenusing, I can kind of sort of
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see that with how things are writtenabout Francis and Kenneth. And one source
it paints Francis as a very badmother, like a very deplorable mother.
But then another source it says thatshe was a very doting mom. She
loved Kenth, she would send himmoney and things all the time. And
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then also, um it goes onto say, and we're about to get
into this Kenneth being raised in avery Catholic household, because you know,
Italian, even though he has adoptedvery Italian household, had this ideal of
how women should behave and when theywouldn't dress the way he wanted or they
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wouldn't act the way he wanted,he would just go off the rails,
which also probably fed into his hatredfor women. So but we're getting a
little ahead of ourselves there. Butyeah, that's a very very good point,
and I'm glad you you brought thatup. So because of the mounting
medical bills, and I remember thiswas like the fifties going into the sixties,
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so back then, you know,I think it was like it was
super cheap. It was. Itwas still expensive, but it's a lot
better than it is today as faras like going to the hospital kind of.
Father Nicholas worked massive amounts of overtimeand they just barely scraped by all.
That time of way really hurt ken. And so when he was thirteen,
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his dad took him on a fishingtrip up to Maine. When they
returned, though, Nicholas died suddenlyfrom pneumonia. But this is also again
where my resources differ, because accordingto Wikipedia, he died of pneumonia,
and then Kenneth like just refused toshow any sign of grief over the death
of his father. But in mytime life true crime book that I'm using,
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it states that he that Nicholas diedof a heart attack at work,
and then when Ken found out alongsidehis mother, Francis, became hysterical and
can even tried to like attack oneof the officers, whereas a different officer
said that he cried out and thenran upstairs to his room to weep.
So I don't really know, butlike this three totally different stories, right
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right, So it's it's really thisis why I also try to use as
many different sources as I can tokind of fodder, like to find that
even keel u. But and itgoes on to say in the time life
book that after the funeral, Kennethwould spend hours up in the attic weeping
and talking to his dead father.So again I'm not quite sure which one
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to believe here, but given theclear mental instability that he showed at such
a young age, I think I'mmore likeling likely to believe the Wikipedia version
where he just kind of shut downand didn't show any emotion. But Also
in the documentary I watched, he'sable to, like, like all socio
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all really good sociopaths are able todo read a room and then project his
emotions accordingly, which is exactly whathe did during his court trial. So
I really don't know exactly what hedid or how he felt. I mean,
I'm sure, obviously, I'm sureit was a very hard time.
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You know, Nicholas was the onlymale father figure. You're obviously being his
adoptive dad, So who knows.He could have had a Tad Bundy moment.
I mean, clearly he became aserial killer. So it was the
seventies that all this big ship startedtaking place. So could you imagine like
just being a like a young adultin the seventies when all this serial killer
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ship was going on, and likehaving no cell phones and just having to
purely rely on like newspapers and newsand stuff to get your information. Yeah,
yeah, I can appreciate that.I remember watch the news and newspaper
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and phone didn't have the phones headchords. Yeah, I vaguely remember that.
Uh, sometimes I forget that.I mean, there's not a big
gap between us, but there's there'senough of a gap where you have much
clearer memories of like that then Ido, which I definitely can appreciate too.
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U. So yeah, Kenneth endedup graduating high school in nineteen seventy
and then actually married his high schoolsweetheart, which I thought was a little
shocking, but then the union onlylasted for like six or eight months before
she left him without any explanation.So I mean, I guess I'm not
surprised in that regard distaste for women. Oh yeah, absolutely, I can
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imagine. And then also having theselike mixed feelings towards his mom, who
was like a helicopter parent, youknow, as they'd mentioned, He's probably
really confused and can't I mean,he loves his mom, but then also
can't stand how much she just hoversand all that stuff, so it's crazy.
Kenneth. Then, after graduating highschool and all that stuff, Um
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started taking courses in police science andpsychology at Monroe Community College with the hopes
that he would one day become apolice officer because that's what he really wanted
to do. But he ended updropping out of college within the first semester
and then cycled through various menial jobsbefore landing as a security guard at a
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jewelry store, which gave him accessto an opportunity to steal valuables which he
would give to his girlfriends to buytheir loyalty. So that all that makes
sense, I imagine, especially whenit comes to the forensics part of it.
That's like, wasn't and Kemper wantto be a cop and couldn't pess
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psych he was too tall? Ohthat's right. Ed Kemper is an incredibly
smart individual. He's absolutely fascinating.He's actually one of my top two favorite
people to read about and do researchon. UM. He's six foot nine,
so he was just too tall forthe uniforms. So what he ended
up doing sidetrack. UM, hewould hang out with cops at the local
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bar, and he would become actuallybuddy buddy with quite a few of them,
to the point where when he calledhimself in, he had to call
in multiple times to the police stationbefore they would even believe that he was
a co ed killer. Fascinating.I feel like I should do like a
redo on some of those killers thatI did in first season, like the
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early episodes with like you and me, we can just talk about it.
That may be kind of fun.So, all right, listener, you
let me know. He just emailedthe show at Murders my signed podcast at
gmail dot com to let me knowwhat you think about that. We'll continue
on. So. In nineteen seventyseven, Kenneth moved to Los Angeles,
where he started spending time with hisolder cousin, Angelo Buno. Now I've
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heard his last name pronounced different ways, like Buno or Bono. I don't
I don't know, there's a unitb O, n O, yeah,
Bono. It could be Buono,Buono Bono, Angelo Bono, the worst
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fake Italian. Well, and it'sit's funny that you say that, because
he was very much an Italian andvery Sicilian, and he would up that
up all the time, like becomethe stereotypical Italian. Yeah yeah, And
when you see photos of him,you're like, oh god, yeah,
I can totally see that like acharacter from Greece. Yeah that or like,
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um, I keep thinking of likeWest Side Story, Greece and like
Goodfellas. Oh wow, all right, yeah, okay, yeah, uh
so now uh not. A wholelot is written about Angelo and his early
days. He was born on Octoberfifth, nineteen thirty four, in Rochester,
New York um to first generation Italianimmigrants. Yes, yes, he's
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uh yes, and then now thisis October thirty four, so yeah,
there's a sizable difference. Yes,they are, and the color palettes they
went with were just phenomenal. Hisparents divorced when he was four, and
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his mother, Jenny, took himand his older sister to Los Angeles.
He grew up in a small houseand a rundown part of Glendale and was
a lean, wiry person. Hestood about five foot ten. Uh so
he's five foot ten, incredibly thin. But it has a big ass head,
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big feet, and big ass orlike hands. Okay, So as
I'm like reading this and like tryingto think of descriptions of it, I
just can't help but think that I'mdescribing a t Rex. Big Well,
I thought that the arms were theright size. Hands. Well yeah,
but I kept thinking about, Okay, that's great alien. Yes, yes,
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okay, that's a much better visualbecause the thing I kept thinking in
the back of my mind is thatscene from Meet the Robinson's, that one
Disney movie where um, okay,well, for the viewers or for the
listeners out there that have seen it, that scene and meet the Robinsons where
there's a t Rex. He's like, I got a big head in diny
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arms, and I don't think thisplane was bull put out. That's what
I kept thinking of when I waswriting this description of what he looked like.
So but yeah, so Angelo wasnot very good at school. He
just he really just didn't care.He went through the motions but ended up
dropping out by the age of sixteen, barely literate, Like he could barely
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read, he could barely write.But what he lacked in educational excellence he
more than made up for in streetSmarts. Street Smarts, I feel like
there's a John mulaney joke in theresomewhere. The divorce of his parents,
though, tainted his view on women, and he became so enraged and disgusted
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by his mother that he began referringto her as a whore when he was
fourteen, Like he just used allthese very derogatory words towards her, and
he just like he just hated women. He thought they were disposable. Oh
yeah, absolutely. And it's reallyweird because even though Ken was adopted,
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it's like, what's going on inthis family that's causing these guys to be
raised to just forget about it.So true. So Angelo started running with
a gang of petty thieves and wascaught stealing a car that ended up sending
him to reform school, where heescaped, got caught, and was sent
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back again. It was on hisseventeenth birthday in nineteen fifty one, the
same year that Ken was born,that Angelo found someone that he could look
up to an idol, if youwill, Carl Chessman, the red light
rapist. Have you ever heard ofhim? No, but that's probably not
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the worst thing ever to look upto. No no, oh oh oh
sure s yeah fair oh yeah,yeah, yeah, look up to yeah
no, uh yeah, I've neverheard of Chessman until today. Um and
in whose case is actually pretty interesting. Um So. Chessman had been convicted
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in nineteen forty eight of kidnapping andsexual assaults in California, which, for
those of you who do not know, kidnapping was punishable by death in California,
which is kind of crazy to thinkabout, right. I could see
that going back to like the babythe Greatest crime, K Yeah, I
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could see why. Yeah, Icould see that being a more modern thing.
It's like, well, you didn'tyou didn't take anybody's life, so
right, you know what you I'mso happy that you mentioned something about the
Lindbergh baby, because when you lookup the Chessman case on Wikipedia, they
do mention that the reason why hewas um held in prison and tried and
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executed was because of that loose interpretationof the Lindberg Act after that went into
effect. Um. So, Chessmanwas executed in nineteen sixty one in the
San Quentin gas chamber after numerous staysand appeals. In his story behind Chessman
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and his ability to fool couple coupleson lovers lanes, So his whole stick
was he had like a red lighton the top of his car that looked
like a cop light, and thenhe would go to lovers lanes and then
flash the light and then go upto the car. The couples are like
roll down their window. He'd pullout a gun, pulled the woman out,
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and then go raper in his car. And that was this whole thing.
And so Angelo just was like eatingup all these stories behind Chessman.
Everything about that depressing it is reallyvery much so um but Angelo just like
revered him as an idol and thefact that even when he got caught like
he was his own lawyer, hisown like defense makes perfect sense. Yeah,
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and it's kind of always the way, right, I mean, just
see Ted Bundy, that whole fuckingshebang. It was crazy. That's why
when when they when people try todo that, now they actually have whole
motion hearings where they're like, youunderstand that if you get convicted, you
can't use this as a reason fora mistrial, right, right. You
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can't say you had ineffective console counselbecause you declined console and you want to
represent right, which is so dumb. I mean, I know lawyer are
expensive, but god damn so Imean Chessman was able. Yeah, um,
not for criminal trials. They're free. But what what I'm saying in
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a criminal trials? Oh, okayor wherever you are. Oh I did
not know that. Yeah, Ican't afford one to give you one.
Well, I try my hardest tostay out of court systems. So I
just I don't even watch true courtTV. Is that still a thing?
Court TV? I don't know.Yeah, me neither. It's part of
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the miranda rights. There's a bookat work I have about the case of
Miranda Rights, I should like justbreeze through that, I think so.
Yeah. So anyway, um so, with Chessman being his own defense,
he actually was able to stay likehe was sentenced to death. Um but
he was able to stay like doall these different appeals over nine years,
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which is why he wasn't executed untilnineteen sixty one, which, honestly,
I gotta say that's kind of impressive. Not gonna lie, I mean,
but um so, after Chessman wasexecuted, I think there was one other
person that was executed for non violentcriminal offense, and then I think they
flipped the law. Well, obviouslyCalifornia doesn't do execution you murders, because
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I would look, yeah, nonI don't know how they categorize it.
I don't have to pull out onWikipedia. Yeah, your phone, you
can pull it up. Uh nonviolent, I mean yeah, rape is
in sexual assault was clearly very violent. But um uh look up the Carl
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Chessman Wikipedia uh page. Oh it'scr y oh Car carril god. I
hope his name's Carl. I've beenjust referring to him as Carl. Carl
kills people. Oh boy, youfolks are gonna get a nice extra long
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episode here. Um, so Ijust okay, just side note, I
just opened up that I was lookingthrough it and I just opened like the
first thing my eyes just glanced to. On January third, two men robbed
a habitashy. I love that word, habitashar. That's such a good word,
great habitash ree. Uh So whileyou look that up, we'll just
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kind of continue on a little bit. Um. So, when Angelo got
out of reformed school, he founda job in masonry, which I guess
when you have hammele like hands.Oh yes, okay. The court ruled
that both actions fit the law's definitionof kidnapping with bodily harm. Okay,
interesting, So then they must haveI've just over read that then, or
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they they've probably changed a law shortlythereafter, because I'm pretty sure he was
like the last or the second tolast person to be executed for that.
Um. Most appeals were based onassertations that that he was forced to go
to trial unprepared, that California's LittleLinburgh law was unconstitutional. Hm, I
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don't know either. Um, we'rekind off, we are super off topic.
Um, sorry about that, folks. So yeah, um m mmmm,
Now I'm just double checking it.Oh yeah. Several months after Chestpin's
execution, Billy Monk was executed onNovember twenty first, nineteen sixty one for
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kidnapping two women, attempting to rapein the first and raping the second and
was the last bit secured for anon lethal kidnapping in the United States.
So non lethal that was at Okay, all right, that's all full circle.
Now, all right, let's talkabout ham hands and how great they
are for bricks, because Angelo hadham like hands. According to the Compulsion
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to Kill True Crime Like True CrimeTime Life book, God say that five
times fast. Um, masonry isuh stonework? Correct? Yes, yeah,
so his big ass hands were reallygood at doing that apparently. Yeah
that's bricks. Um, I thinkthey do tile that kind of thing.
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Yeah. So he got a jobafter he got out of reform school,
that's what he got a job doing. Um and with him being Sicilian,
used most of his money to reinforcehis image of being a tough guy in
a world class lover. He lovedto dress and flashy suits that were reminiscent
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of gangsters, and he drove aCadillac. By the time he was twenty
one, Angelo had a reputation ofbeing a sexual athlete, and garnered the
nickname the Italian Stallion after the adultfilm of the same name. I think,
so, yeah, that is reallyfreaking funny. So yeah, like
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what we were saying earlier about theItalian like, forget about it, that
whole that whole stick um. Hejust really he was what's the word I'm
looking for? He asshole that too. Uh. He was the epitome of
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the stereotype. That that's the wordI was looking for. Stereotype. That's
whole right. Moving on. InApril of nineteen fifty five, Angelo married
seventeen year old Gerdoline yavanne Vanill aftergetting her pregnant, but he literally left
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her one week later and never reallylooked back, and neither supported her nor
the son she gave birth to.If watching The Godfather a Goodfellow has taught
me anything it's that Italians come frombig families, and that family's very important
and good foods also very important.But for Angelo, he married three more
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women and fathered seven additional kids,six boys and one girl. But for
all of this, his attitude towardswomen never changed, Unlike the tough guy
image that he was so intent toreinforce a family just was not important to
him at all. Within all hismarriages, Angelo would often beat and rape
his wives and girlfriends, and it'salso reported that he also sexually assaulted his
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children too. Yeah, you know, actually ran another side note. When
I worked, when I worked contractorto the Corrections, I had a client
one time. He had twenty sevenchildren that the government knew of. Holy
shit, he was one of fortysix, forty six biological brothers and sisters.
Dear lord, his dad liked tofuck. And this wasn't like a
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sperm donor type situation. His dadwas. His dad was an asshole,
and his son was probably a lesserasshole, but still a pretty big asshole.
Still a piece of shit that couldn'tname all of his own kids.
Jesus Christ, just think of thefamily reunions and there's no Yeah, well,
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I like to think of happy things. Well, okay, let's talk
about more about serial killers. Okay. Um, so Angelo having you know,
this big family giving birth like procreating all these kids. I was
slapped over and over again with ordersto pay child to part to the various
women whom he impregnated. But timeand time again he just disregarded the orders.
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Eventually, he was able to openup his own trim shop since he
was also very good at otto upholstery, having once worked on a sports car
owned by Frank Sinatra, which Ithink for him being like this Italian gangster,
I think that was probably his likewet dream of doing that. Yeah.
I can just totally see him,like, you know, like sitting
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there and like I did it myway. Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely.
His house too, was also situatedright up front from the shop, and
he was able to get complete privacyby the location being sandwiched between freeways and
a car wash, which made itgreat for business in the morning and very
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quiet night because not a lot ofpeople would walk that side of town or
that area because it was kind ofin a very business e districtree area,
not a business neighborhood that you'd beright also, Yeah, and it's also
like the sixty seventies at this pointtoo, so um, it wasn't long
before Angelo soon began to parade younggirls in and out of his illustrious abode.
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Young girls were drawn to his machoman style and appearance, and this
was the summing to use after all, and perhaps The most disturbing of all
this was the fact that Angelo wasquickly at approaching the age of forty and
the young girls that he was attractingwere teenage girls thirteen and sixteen years old.
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Like he had his wallet thick withphotos of these girls. Well,
you know, it's too bad thathe didn't, you know, produce a
couple of Academy Award winning films.Then you know he'd be you know,
he'd be well respected. God,what's that director's name? Which one,
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Well, there's more than one.It wasn't. Um well I was,
but oh really, if you're talkingabout the Roman Plansky, Oh okay,
this guy who left America, itwas convicting an absentia of and then marrying
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her. Right, no, Idon't recall our Okay, well that's either
here nor there. Still kind ofin the true crime fashion, though,
um so. In nineteen seventy seven, Angelo played host to his younger cousin
Kenneth after much coaxing from his auntFrancis. Ken was enthralled with the lifestyle
that Angelo was living. He hadso many girlfriends and it was practically a
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harem inside his house. Kenneth wasall too eager to jump in the activities
and quickly found a blonde name ofCheryl. Two of Angelo's sons, Peter
and Danny Um, also started bringinggirls over to their dads, which opened
more avenues to Angelo and Kenneth.But Angelo soon grew tired of having his
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cousin around all the time, andafter seven months of living with him,
kicked him out of the house,which surprisingly he took with good grace because
his mother had just sent him enoughmoney for a down payment on a nineteen
seventy two four door Cadillaccidan. Hehad also found an apartment that was only
six blocks away from his cousin andit was filled with the ladies. While
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living in La Ken tried applying fora position within the LAPD but was rejected.
His second ambition was to become apsychologist, but since he never completed
college, he went about this bysecuring a fake Master of Science degree from
Columbia University, as well as afake certificate of accomplishment from New York's Strong
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Memorial Hospital and a Doctorate of Psychologydiploma from the Psychiatric Association of America.
I kind of find it a littleironic that someone as crazy as him wants
to become a psychologist. It's actuallymore common than you think. Really,
Um, at least, just thisis I don't have any I don't have
any numbers to back this up,but a lot of psychiatrists that I've worked
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with professionally over the years had beena little bit and I'm wondering if they
to school to try to understand someof the Yeah, we're pretty out there.
Yeah, I know. My mom'smentioned before that therapists make the worst
clients for therapy. It's because theyalready know, they already know the statistics,
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and they already know a lot oftechniques. So it's like, how
do you how do you break atechnique out on somebody that they already know
what you're gonna do. Yeah,that's that's a very valid point. Um.
So he ended up. So Kennethended up procuring an office in Hollywood
and created business cards as well aswell as taking out some ad space to
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promote his services, and when thescam didn't really work, he eventually tried
his hand at posing as a majorHollywood studio talent scout. The main reason
behind all of this, though,was his attempt to meet women. The
women he did meet, though hedidn't buy a camera he could have filmed,
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like like the Talent Scout portal.Oh right, like casting couch stuff.
Yeah. The win he did meet, though, would soon become jealous
and abusive if they didn't match hisperfect ideal, kind of like what we
were talking about earlier. When hemet Kelly Boyd on New Year's Eve,
the two started dating and within afew weeks Kelly was moving in with ten
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and by May she was pregnant.So now I'll be honest here at the
timeline, and my sources seems tobe a little garbled, surprise, surprise,
with everything else we've had issues withso far. Wikipedia says that Ken
moved to La nineteen seventy seven andthe murders began in October of seventy seven,
whereas The Daily Duo's book says thatBianchie and Bruno met up in the
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fall of nineteen seventy five, whereasthe Time Life True Crime book says that
Ken moved to La in the fallof nineteen seventy six. So, you
know, we'll just kind of shuffleit all around and just say that it
was the mid to late seventies whenKenna was in La and like all this
started. I mean, we canfor sure say that the first murder happened
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in October seventy seven, so uhAnyWho? At some point before the murders
took place, Kenneth and Angelo decidedto start a prostitution ring um and become
pimps. They did this by recruitingteenage runaways and threatening them with violence.
One of the girls, the sixteenyear old name Sabra, which I'm gonna
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do it. I'm so hungry forhellmess now. I was Honeypot, you're
a sad person person, I'm sadand you're sad, or maybe vice versa.
So Sabra delicious Humas fell into thetrap when she met Ken at a
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party. She was originally from Phoenixand wanted to get out to La to
start a career as a model.Ken played her like a fiddle, a
delicious hummus field fiddle, saying thathe had amazing contacts and she could be
making five hundred dollars a week.So a couple of weeks go by,
and then Sabra returns home to Phoenix, but when her money runs out,
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she calls up Ken and he fliesher back to La and ends up picking
her up in a flashy cadillac.Angelo had told him to put her up
in a hotel of first night.The next day, he took her back
to the shop where Angelo gave herone hundred dollars and told her to go
buy some clothing and makeup. AndSabra thought that Ken and Angelo were kind,
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but the illusion didn't last long.Soon they were coursing her to pose
nude for photos, and then afterassaulting her, pimped her out. They
would regularly beat her with wet towelsso they wouldn't leave marks, and threatened
that if she tried to leave,they would kill her and dismember her,
leaving her body parts in the desertto rot. Kind of makes me think
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of Rambo five Last Blood aka Rambotakes on the Sex Mexican Um Cartel for
sex trafficking. So and you knowhealth dais. Yeah, Yeah, that
was a fun movie, but there'sa lot of what that movie lacked in
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pure violence and gore. Unlike Rambo, it made up for racism by leaps
and bounds. Yeah. The onlything that pissed me off too is like,
you know, in that movie,she wanted to see her dad so
bad, and here I am neverhaving met my dad. I'm like,
bitch, get over yourself. It'snot that important. But you know what,
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each their own. I suppose weare so off topic. This is
going into an hour. God Goddamn, I say, God damn.
So trying to get back on topichere the torture and assault. Folks out
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there, please let me know howwhat you think about this episode. Do
you like this format or do youjust fucking hate it? And do you
want me to just get straight backinto it? This is I feel I
feel like for me, this isvery reminiscent of like last podcast on the
left, but it's just the twoof us. Um But yeah, so
anywhow. The Torture an Assault lastedfor three months until one day in September,
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Sabra just vanished, with not aword or a trace of her on.
The sudden departure of her though infuriatedAngelo and Ken because they had just
been betrayed by another one of theirworking girls, Becky, who escaped after
lamenting her torturous ordeal to a customerwho also happened to be a lawyer.
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Go fucking figure. And this wealthylawyer was able to fly yum becky out
of la with the advice to nevercome back. Like in the true crime
book, it literally says, withthe fatherly advice to never come back,
Let's not forget that this lawyer wasa client and she was about to sleep
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with him. Yeah, so that'skind of creepy. Even more so,
well I meant, but if youget hookers, you're kind of creepy.
Yeah. But the whole fatherly advicething, okay? Uh so any who
uh bono buno. Angelo was pissedbeyond bono buono. Oh no. Angelo
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was pissed beyond all recognition, andin his rage, threatened the lawyer,
who just so happened to have someconnections. One of those connections happened to
be a three hundred pound bouncer namedTiny, who showed up at Angelo's shop
along with four of his buddies andproceeded to threaten Angelo that if he should
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ever threaten the lawyer again, he'dbe back and Buano would be dead.
So you're telling me that a lawyerknews some shady people. That's that's the
most ridiculous, isn't it? Though? I should have you read some of
the dialogue. That's in the bookfrom the bouncer Tiny, it is like
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verbatim out of like Goodfellas, youcome back here. Yeah, you really
want me to read this? Thiswill be fucking hilarious. Okay. Um,
So it starts like right here,and just kind of liked, just
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do the best you can. SoI've reached through the window and I checked
him out through the window so fast, so hard he left the shoes and
he have the shoes in there.Well, I had him up in the
air. I asked him if hedon't mind paying attention to me. So
while I was dangling him him inthe air, he paid full attention.
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So I rowed him back down tothe ground and I gave him one of
the lawyer's cards, and I said, don't be offering to kill him no
more, because the last thing inthe world you want is an instant replay
of me. It's interesting that youtook it. It's interesting that you took
it that way, because when Iwas first reading it, like, even
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though his name is tiny, he'sthree hundred pounds. Well, I just
imagine to do with the tiny likea like a Mike Tyson share Tyson as
voice, like some big ass dowith the guy, Hey, how do
you do Yeah? So the wayI was thinking it in my head,
I was like, Yank, he'sa little sniffling pooh. But it's literally
a fucking line in this book.His job was if if girls were scared
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of snakes, he put snakes onthem. He'd done that to make sure
they brought him money home. Heworked on them morbid fears. We knew
they were into something heavy, butwe didn't know what. But if I'd
known he was killing those little girls, I got four daughters in my own.
I'd snapped their neck like a twigand not had no remorse for it.
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Okay, clearly you have the bettercomedic delivery. So the two skis
bags started driving around Hollywood looking foryoung girls that they could trick into their
little prostitution rank. What would youcall them? Assholes? The SNACKI of
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assholes a bad name. Fuck it. One girl was lucky, though,
when she was approached by Angelo,who had obtained an LA police badge illegally
and had asked for her ID itread Katherine Lore. Inside her wallet was
a photo of her and her father, famous film star Peter Lore Peter Laurie.
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Okay, Catherine Laurie Peter Laurie,Okay, apologies, um so,
but when Angelo realized who her fatherwas, the pair backed off and then
they didn't want to be involved withsuch a high profiled girl. Peter Laurie,
ironically enough, starred in the nineteenthirty one German film called m where
he killed little kids. Yep,he plays Actually it's actually if you've never
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seen it, it's it's pretty creepyand but he does a masterful job.
Yeah, Peter Laurie. I waswatching some clips of him on YouTube while
I was doing this research. He'sright, And now it makes sense because
like I remember watching Saturday Morning cartoonsand they'd always have that like one creepy
character like have you ever seen umthe corpse Bride? Yes, yeah,
that that little worm. I thinkhe's modeled after Peter Wore. Like they
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like they literally tunes. Yeah,Like they used to like stick him in
their yea like a lot of cactushim, And I had no idea that
was actually based on him, Yeah, which is crazy, especially like it's
like it's got some pretty creepy shit. Yeah, Like there's if I remember,
there's an opening scene where there's likethis little girl with a ball with
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a balloon and then you just seethis shadow cast over her, like it's
pretty creepy. Yeah, even forlike nineteen thirty one, it was such
a controversial film when it came out. Um, that would be such a
cool thing to talk about sometimes,like those kind of old school films.
Maybe we'll do that first size Liice, we could do that or you know,
and also we should also watch sometime. I'm pretty sure Red Letter Media.
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Oh nice, yes, and I'msorry, angry dame. Oh send
the masaker. Oh I can imagine. Yeah, oh that's cool. Um.
So in October, h Angelo andKenneth were burned yet again, this
time when they bought a list ofJohn's from a prostitute and her two friends.
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And if you don't know, John'sare like these guys stupid go up
to a hooker and she's like,yeah, I know, a bunch of
guys John Smith, Rupert Thorne,Robert Murder, John Doe. Yeah.
Yeah. So supposedly this list containedthe names of clients who preferred to have
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the prostitutes come out to them,and it contained one hundred and seventy five
names, and the prostitute said thatthey would give them this list for a
dollar and name, so this ispretty expensive. However, the two discovered
that the list was a scam andthe list of men uh was of men
who did not want the girls tocome to them, but instead it wanted
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them to come to Angelo's house tofuck the girls. So the two pimps
were pissed and wanted to take therevenge on the prostitute who sold them the
fake list. Well it could havebeen that fake, they still came a
list of people that wanted to fuck. Yeah, So like in hindsight,
like, I really don't understand.I suppose that because his business was literally
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attached to his thing, Like Idon't know, but I'm just like,
yeah, they were pretty fucking stupid. We're talking like we could have done
this better. I suppose. Isuppose most problems that you apply a little
bit of critical thinking too, likestop from it and think, huh,
could I get ripped off here?The answer is probably yes, yeah,
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probably. Fortunately for the prostitute,though that's applied the list she had wisely
disappeared. Unfortunately for one of herfriends that were with her that night that
delivered the list. Kenneth and Angeloto We're going to go after her instead,
and that was Yolanda Washington. Ibelieve the first victim. Yep.
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Yes, and this is where we'reactually gonna end today's Tale of true crime.
And her case is very interesting becauseand we'll talk about this in like
the third or fourth episode. Um, they would not be convicted for her
murder, but we'll get into thatlater. So yes, thank you guys
so much for listening. UM.I know this episode is much longer than
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previous ones, but you know what, I actually had a lot of fun
recording this with you. Kyle.Yeah. Absolutely, Um, except for
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the Murder is My Sign podcast,the only true crime astrology podcast, and
I'm your host, Jordi Death hereto let your way through the true crime
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one, the Only, the fabulous. Mister Kyle, Hello, thank you
so much for being such a trooperand helped me out with today's episode.
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I think, well good because Iwish I had some sort of creepy serial
killer asque Carlo Homelica type comeback,but I really don't, and that was
the episode I just did. Soany who, Welcome to March. Everyone,
Welcome to the ship show. Um, Kyle, do you know what
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uh deadly duo were I am focusingon this month? By chance? CHANCESI
no, I did that last month. Um no, that that was last
month. This month? Uh itis the Deadly duo, the Hillside Stranglers.
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Are you familiar with them at all? I thought it was singular.
Well at the time, yes,authorities, when the murders were going around,
they thought, um, that theywere just going to be looking for
one person. Um. But aswe'll get into it with how the bodies
were found, they the authorities soonrealized that it would be more than one
(02:17):
individual. Do you know who theHillside stranglers were? By chance? Like
any background information at all? Uh? No, I actually I thought there
was one. Two. Well you'regonna get yourself an education today, boy.
Um so yeah. So in howI'm doing this season is uh my
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listeners out there now, but I'mjust explaining to you for your benefit.
Each episode's about twenty to thirty minuteslong because I break it up into parts.
So today we'll talk about, youknow, the background of the two
individuals, and then leading up totheir first kill, and then the third
The second episode will be kind ofencompassing all their murders that they did and
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then their capture, and then thethird and final episode is dealing with the
trial, their time in jail,if they you know, if they went
to jail, how all that wentout, And then I get into the
astrological bit about you know, theirsigns and their compatibility and you know all
that good stuff. So yeah,all right, So to start off,
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we're gonna go into our little timemachine. Here all Wayne and Garth,
all the Wayne's world, and we'regonna head back to nineteen seventy seven.
I'm pretty sure I can find likea sound effect. Whoa man, it
smells like petui. So it's nineteenseventy seven and the bodies of naked women
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and girls have been appearing in thehills surrounding Los Angeles. At the time,
authorities believed it to be the workof only one person, but from
how the bodies were laid out andthe lack of drag marks to the site
of where the bodies were discovered,authorities quickly realized that they would be in
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search of two perpetrators. Really,like, what if it was just one
guy carrying carrying them like something orlike a potato sack. I mean,
m oh, I suppose that wouldbe pretty suspicious. It would it would
be suspicious. And then I alsofeel like, with it being in the
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seventies, unless you're on the Schwatzenaggaand you're a body builder, I don't
think that a lot of people wouldbe able to carry your typical average woman.
I don't know, I really don'tknow, But I don't know.
Fireman carries pretty I don't know,probably sure, yeah, and some of
these they yeah, well we'll continueon anyways, we'll be suspended disbelief in
(04:53):
that thought. I'm not a policeofficer, and fought spoiler alert right they
got obviously I don't know what I'mtalking That's okay, but okay, So
we're not going to get ahead ofourselves too much here. We need to
go back even further to nineteen fiftyone. And now we're in Rochester,
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New York, in the fifties,and this is where Kenneth Alessio Bianchi was
given up for adoption just two weeksafter he was born by his alcoholic teenage
mother, who was also a sexworker. Now in the fifties, I
can only imagine like the scandal thatwould have been, you know, being
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in that kind of line of work, I suppose, let alone being a
teenage mother. Crazy times anymore,No, not anymore. Kenneth was born
on May twenty second, nineteen fiftyone, but he would not be adopted
until August of that year. Hewas taken in by Nicholas Bianchi and his
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wife Frances and Kenneth would be theironly child. Now Francis was unable to
have children and had had hysterrect meto remove her faulty reproductive organs, and
this left her feeling immeasurably depressed andher life lost its meaning. Like all
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she wanted to do was just havea family and have kids. I mean,
it was the nineteen fifties and shejust wanted nothing more to be a
good housewife. So friends finally wereable to convince her and Nicholas to adopt,
and Francis guarded her new son asa tigress, like a tiger mom,
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and she fretted over every little thingthat the kid did, to the
point where baby Kenneth had four differentdoctors in his first year, but nothing
was ever seriously wrong. It's prettyclear that Francis was becoming a hypochondriact.
And I mean, I guess Idon't blame her to a point. I
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mean, if you're unable to havekids and finally you're able to, you
know, adopt this baby, ifyou're gonna want to protect that little thing
with your life. Yeah, buthelicopter parenting and overid over your kid can
cause some problems. Oh that's anecdotalfor me at best. Well, it
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really caused problems for Kenneth. Ohyeah, it was so bad. By
the time he was five, adoctor diagnosed Kevin or Kenneth with petite mall
seizures, which are also known asabsent seizures. So basically he would have
like these trance like daydreams and hiseyes would roll to the back of his
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head and uh. And according toWikipedia, he was also prone to involuntary
urination and underwent a lot of physicalexaminations. Um, this is also the
age that he began to be acompulsive liar. So I don't know,
remember reading something somewhere there's a connectionbetween bed wedding or incontinence, yeah,
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childhood and I want to say psychopaths. Yeah, yeah, there's like a
connection between the two. There isliterature out there, um, like the
three totel signs of like a psychopathor sociopath is wedding the bad um beyond
what wou would be quote unquote thenormal age, and then um torturing animals
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and uh, pyrotechnic setting fires tothings. Oh yeah, there's a huge
coincidence between um. This is fromwhat I work in corrections and back in
psychology. There's a huge connection betweenUM, Arson and sexual assault. There's
there's between the two. Interesting.Huh. Well, I gotta say I'm
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not honestly all that surprised. Inthe research I've done so far up to
this point, I've not really seenanything about like arson or fireplay in these
two. But there is a lotof sexual soul and abuse. So yeah,
I think it's outstanding that this guy, like you know, Kenneth at
five year old five years old,was also was already a compulsive liar.
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It just seems like he had abag of problems from the get go.
He was he was prone to fitsof rage, anger, had a lot
of behavioral problems, which led himto be diagnosed with a passive aggressive personality
disorder by the age of ten,and although this label is no longer in
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use, in the Diagnostic and StatisticalManual of Mental Disorders, it is noted
that the passive aggressive disorder may stemfrom a specific childhood stimulus, such as
having an alcohol or drug addicted parent, or suffering from abuse in an environment
where it's not safe to express frustrationor anger. His behavior also indicated that
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he was bitterly resentful of his mother, the one person whom he most depended
on. And you have a degreein psychology, right, or a backgroundel
science and psychology. Oh okay,so yeah, I just thought that was
very interesting that he was given thatdiagnosis of passive aggressive behavior, which when
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I read more into it, itmean made more sense. And you know,
as we get into it, you'llkind of see how his personality definitely
seems to fall into that category.Oh absolutely, I mean, personality disorders
are some of them. I cantell you firsthand. Personality disorders are some
of the hardest to work with becausethey have the most extreme behavioral issues.
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Yeah, some of them, somemore than others, but they can.
Personality disorders are pretty rough and tumblesthings to deal with. Yeah, I
could imagine living with one let alone. It's hard work something that has one.
Thank god you're not dating one.This is such a healthy relationship.
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It truly is. I love youso much. Anyhow, So, when
Kenneth was eleven, his IQ wasmeasured at one hundred and sixteen, which
is above average intelligence, but it'snoted that he was an underachiever and did
not get along with his teachers,which caused him to be moved to different
schools. Even his mother describes himas being lazy. But I guess when
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Francis was holding her child up ona pedestal, I think for her to
say that was really like kind ofa shock even for her. I wonder
if, like this is speculation part, but I wonder if you know,
not being able to have a childon your own adopt a kid is a
set like I can't have my ownchildren. Then when that kid doesn't live
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up to whatever your perfect child isn'tin your head, you know, that's
sort of then you start of kindof like when that doesn't when the reality
doesn't match, when reality doesn't matchyour ideal, Yeah, what sort of
interaction did that? That is thisreally good point that you bring up.
And within the multiple sources I've beenusing, I can kind of sort of
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see that with how things are writtenabout Francis and Kenneth. And one source
it paints Francis as a very badmother, like a very deplorable mother.
But then another source it says thatshe was a very doting mom. She
loved Kenth, she would send himmoney and things all the time. And
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then also, um it goes onto say, and we're about to get
into this Kenneth being raised in avery Catholic household, because you know,
Italian, even though he has adoptedvery Italian household, had this ideal of
how women should behave and when theywouldn't dress the way he wanted or they
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wouldn't act the way he wanted,he would just go off the rails,
which also probably fed into his hatredfor women. So but we're getting a
little ahead of ourselves there. Butyeah, that's a very very good point,
and I'm glad you you brought thatup. So because of the mounting
medical bills, and I remember thiswas like the fifties going into the sixties,
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so back then, you know,I think it was like it was
super cheap. It was. Itwas still expensive, but it's a lot
better than it is today as faras like going to the hospital kind of.
Father Nicholas worked massive amounts of overtimeand they just barely scraped by all.
That time of way really hurt ken. And so when he was thirteen,
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his dad took him on a fishingtrip up to Maine. When they
returned, though, Nicholas died suddenlyfrom pneumonia. But this is also again
where my resources differ, because accordingto Wikipedia, he died of pneumonia,
and then Kenneth like just refused toshow any sign of grief over the death
of his father. But in mytime life true crime book that I'm using,
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it states that he that Nicholas diedof a heart attack at work,
and then when Ken found out alongsidehis mother, Francis, became hysterical and
can even tried to like attack oneof the officers, whereas a different officer
said that he cried out and thenran upstairs to his room to weep.
So I don't really know, butlike this three totally different stories, right
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right, So it's it's really thisis why I also try to use as
many different sources as I can tokind of fodder, like to find that
even keel u. But and itgoes on to say in the time life
book that after the funeral, Kennethwould spend hours up in the attic weeping
and talking to his dead father.So again I'm not quite sure which one
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to believe here, but given theclear mental instability that he showed at such
a young age, I think I'mmore likeling likely to believe the Wikipedia version
where he just kind of shut downand didn't show any emotion. But Also
in the documentary I watched, he'sable to, like, like all socio
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all really good sociopaths are able todo read a room and then project his
emotions accordingly, which is exactly whathe did during his court trial. So
I really don't know exactly what hedid or how he felt. I mean,
I'm sure, obviously, I'm sureit was a very hard time.
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You know, Nicholas was the onlymale father figure. You're obviously being his
adoptive dad, So who knows.He could have had a Tad Bundy moment.
I mean, clearly he became aserial killer. So it was the
seventies that all this big ship startedtaking place. So could you imagine like
just being a like a young adultin the seventies when all this serial killer
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ship was going on, and likehaving no cell phones and just having to
purely rely on like newspapers and newsand stuff to get your information. Yeah,
yeah, I can appreciate that.I remember watch the news and newspaper
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and phone didn't have the phones headchords. Yeah, I vaguely remember that.
Uh, sometimes I forget that.I mean, there's not a big
gap between us, but there's there'senough of a gap where you have much
clearer memories of like that then Ido, which I definitely can appreciate too.
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U. So yeah, Kenneth endedup graduating high school in nineteen seventy
and then actually married his high schoolsweetheart, which I thought was a little
shocking, but then the union onlylasted for like six or eight months before
she left him without any explanation.So I mean, I guess I'm not
surprised in that regard distaste for women. Oh yeah, absolutely, I can
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imagine. And then also having theselike mixed feelings towards his mom, who
was like a helicopter parent, youknow, as they'd mentioned, He's probably
really confused and can't I mean,he loves his mom, but then also
can't stand how much she just hoversand all that stuff, so it's crazy.
Kenneth. Then, after graduating highschool and all that stuff, Um
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started taking courses in police science andpsychology at Monroe Community College with the hopes
that he would one day become apolice officer because that's what he really wanted
to do. But he ended updropping out of college within the first semester
and then cycled through various menial jobsbefore landing as a security guard at a
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jewelry store, which gave him accessto an opportunity to steal valuables which he
would give to his girlfriends to buytheir loyalty. So that all that makes
sense, I imagine, especially whenit comes to the forensics part of it.
That's like, wasn't and Kemper wantto be a cop and couldn't pess
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psych he was too tall? Ohthat's right. Ed Kemper is an incredibly
smart individual. He's absolutely fascinating.He's actually one of my top two favorite
people to read about and do researchon. UM. He's six foot nine,
so he was just too tall forthe uniforms. So what he ended
up doing sidetrack. UM, hewould hang out with cops at the local
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bar, and he would become actuallybuddy buddy with quite a few of them,
to the point where when he calledhimself in, he had to call
in multiple times to the police stationbefore they would even believe that he was
a co ed killer. Fascinating.I feel like I should do like a
redo on some of those killers thatI did in first season, like the
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early episodes with like you and me, we can just talk about it.
That may be kind of fun.So, all right, listener, you
let me know. He just emailedthe show at Murders my signed podcast at
gmail dot com to let me knowwhat you think about that. We'll continue
on. So. In nineteen seventyseven, Kenneth moved to Los Angeles,
where he started spending time with hisolder cousin, Angelo Buno. Now I've
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heard his last name pronounced different ways, like Buno or Bono. I don't
I don't know, there's a unitb O, n O, yeah,
Bono. It could be Buono,Buono Bono, Angelo Bono, the worst
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fake Italian. Well, and it'sit's funny that you say that, because
he was very much an Italian andvery Sicilian, and he would up that
up all the time, like becomethe stereotypical Italian. Yeah yeah, And
when you see photos of him,you're like, oh god, yeah,
I can totally see that like acharacter from Greece. Yeah that or like,
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um, I keep thinking of likeWest Side Story, Greece and like
Goodfellas. Oh wow, all right, yeah, okay, yeah, uh
so now uh not. A wholelot is written about Angelo and his early
days. He was born on Octoberfifth, nineteen thirty four, in Rochester,
New York um to first generation Italianimmigrants. Yes, yes, he's
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uh yes, and then now thisis October thirty four, so yeah,
there's a sizable difference. Yes,they are, and the color palettes they
went with were just phenomenal. Hisparents divorced when he was four, and
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his mother, Jenny, took himand his older sister to Los Angeles.
He grew up in a small houseand a rundown part of Glendale and was
a lean, wiry person. Hestood about five foot ten. Uh so
he's five foot ten, incredibly thin. But it has a big ass head,
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big feet, and big ass orlike hands. Okay, So as
I'm like reading this and like tryingto think of descriptions of it, I
just can't help but think that I'mdescribing a t Rex. Big Well,
I thought that the arms were theright size. Hands. Well yeah,
but I kept thinking about, Okay, that's great alien. Yes, yes,
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okay, that's a much better visualbecause the thing I kept thinking in
the back of my mind is thatscene from Meet the Robinson's, that one
Disney movie where um, okay,well, for the viewers or for the
listeners out there that have seen it, that scene and meet the Robinsons where
there's a t Rex. He's like, I got a big head in diny
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arms, and I don't think thisplane was bull put out. That's what
I kept thinking of when I waswriting this description of what he looked like.
So but yeah, so Angelo wasnot very good at school. He
just he really just didn't care.He went through the motions but ended up
dropping out by the age of sixteen, barely literate, Like he could barely
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read, he could barely write.But what he lacked in educational excellence he
more than made up for in streetSmarts. Street Smarts, I feel like
there's a John mulaney joke in theresomewhere. The divorce of his parents,
though, tainted his view on women, and he became so enraged and disgusted
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by his mother that he began referringto her as a whore when he was
fourteen, Like he just used allthese very derogatory words towards her, and
he just like he just hated women. He thought they were disposable. Oh
yeah, absolutely. And it's reallyweird because even though Ken was adopted,
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it's like, what's going on inthis family that's causing these guys to be
raised to just forget about it.So true. So Angelo started running with
a gang of petty thieves and wascaught stealing a car that ended up sending
him to reform school, where heescaped, got caught, and was sent
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back again. It was on hisseventeenth birthday in nineteen fifty one, the
same year that Ken was born,that Angelo found someone that he could look
up to an idol, if youwill, Carl Chessman, the red light
rapist. Have you ever heard ofhim? No, but that's probably not
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the worst thing ever to look upto. No no, oh oh oh
sure s yeah fair oh yeah,yeah, yeah, look up to yeah
no, uh yeah, I've neverheard of Chessman until today. Um and
in whose case is actually pretty interesting. Um So. Chessman had been convicted
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in nineteen forty eight of kidnapping andsexual assaults in California, which, for
those of you who do not know, kidnapping was punishable by death in California,
which is kind of crazy to thinkabout, right. I could see
that going back to like the babythe Greatest crime, K Yeah, I
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could see why. Yeah, Icould see that being a more modern thing.
It's like, well, you didn'tyou didn't take anybody's life, so
right, you know what you I'mso happy that you mentioned something about the
Lindbergh baby, because when you lookup the Chessman case on Wikipedia, they
do mention that the reason why hewas um held in prison and tried and
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executed was because of that loose interpretationof the Lindberg Act after that went into
effect. Um. So, Chessmanwas executed in nineteen sixty one in the
San Quentin gas chamber after numerous staysand appeals. In his story behind Chessman
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and his ability to fool couple coupleson lovers lanes, So his whole stick
was he had like a red lighton the top of his car that looked
like a cop light, and thenhe would go to lovers lanes and then
flash the light and then go upto the car. The couples are like
roll down their window. He'd pullout a gun, pulled the woman out,
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and then go raper in his car. And that was this whole thing.
And so Angelo just was like eatingup all these stories behind Chessman.
Everything about that depressing it is reallyvery much so um but Angelo just like
revered him as an idol and thefact that even when he got caught like
he was his own lawyer, hisown like defense makes perfect sense. Yeah,
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and it's kind of always the way, right, I mean, just
see Ted Bundy, that whole fuckingshebang. It was crazy. That's why
when when they when people try todo that, now they actually have whole
motion hearings where they're like, youunderstand that if you get convicted, you
can't use this as a reason fora mistrial, right, right. You
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can't say you had ineffective console counselbecause you declined console and you want to
represent right, which is so dumb. I mean, I know lawyer are
expensive, but god damn so Imean Chessman was able. Yeah, um,
not for criminal trials. They're free. But what what I'm saying in
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a criminal trials? Oh, okayor wherever you are. Oh I did
not know that. Yeah, Ican't afford one to give you one.
Well, I try my hardest tostay out of court systems. So I
just I don't even watch true courtTV. Is that still a thing?
Court TV? I don't know.Yeah, me neither. It's part of
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the miranda rights. There's a bookat work I have about the case of
Miranda Rights, I should like justbreeze through that, I think so.
Yeah. So anyway, um so, with Chessman being his own defense,
he actually was able to stay likehe was sentenced to death. Um but
he was able to stay like doall these different appeals over nine years,
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which is why he wasn't executed untilnineteen sixty one, which, honestly,
I gotta say that's kind of impressive. Not gonna lie, I mean,
but um so, after Chessman wasexecuted, I think there was one other
person that was executed for non violentcriminal offense, and then I think they
flipped the law. Well, obviouslyCalifornia doesn't do execution you murders, because
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I would look, yeah, nonI don't know how they categorize it.
I don't have to pull out onWikipedia. Yeah, your phone, you
can pull it up. Uh nonviolent, I mean yeah, rape is
in sexual assault was clearly very violent. But um uh look up the Carl
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Chessman Wikipedia uh page. Oh it'scr y oh Car carril god. I
hope his name's Carl. I've beenjust referring to him as Carl. Carl
kills people. Oh boy, youfolks are gonna get a nice extra long
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episode here. Um, so Ijust okay, just side note, I
just opened up that I was lookingthrough it and I just opened like the
first thing my eyes just glanced to. On January third, two men robbed
a habitashy. I love that word, habitashar. That's such a good word,
great habitash ree. Uh So whileyou look that up, we'll just
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kind of continue on a little bit. Um. So, when Angelo got
out of reformed school, he founda job in masonry, which I guess
when you have hammele like hands.Oh yes, okay. The court ruled
that both actions fit the law's definitionof kidnapping with bodily harm. Okay,
interesting, So then they must haveI've just over read that then, or
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they they've probably changed a law shortlythereafter, because I'm pretty sure he was
like the last or the second tolast person to be executed for that.
Um. Most appeals were based onassertations that that he was forced to go
to trial unprepared, that California's LittleLinburgh law was unconstitutional. Hm, I
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don't know either. Um, we'rekind off, we are super off topic.
Um, sorry about that, folks. So yeah, um m mmmm,
Now I'm just double checking it.Oh yeah. Several months after Chestpin's
execution, Billy Monk was executed onNovember twenty first, nineteen sixty one for
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kidnapping two women, attempting to rapein the first and raping the second and
was the last bit secured for anon lethal kidnapping in the United States.
So non lethal that was at Okay, all right, that's all full circle.
Now, all right, let's talkabout ham hands and how great they
are for bricks, because Angelo hadham like hands. According to the Compulsion
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to Kill True Crime Like True CrimeTime Life book, God say that five
times fast. Um, masonry isuh stonework? Correct? Yes, yeah,
so his big ass hands were reallygood at doing that apparently. Yeah
that's bricks. Um, I thinkthey do tile that kind of thing.
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Yeah. So he got a jobafter he got out of reform school,
that's what he got a job doing. Um and with him being Sicilian,
used most of his money to reinforcehis image of being a tough guy in
a world class lover. He lovedto dress and flashy suits that were reminiscent
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of gangsters, and he drove aCadillac. By the time he was twenty
one, Angelo had a reputation ofbeing a sexual athlete, and garnered the
nickname the Italian Stallion after the adultfilm of the same name. I think,
so, yeah, that is reallyfreaking funny. So yeah, like
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what we were saying earlier about theItalian like, forget about it, that
whole that whole stick um. Hejust really he was what's the word I'm
looking for? He asshole that too. Uh. He was the epitome of
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the stereotype. That that's the wordI was looking for. Stereotype. That's
whole right. Moving on. InApril of nineteen fifty five, Angelo married
seventeen year old Gerdoline yavanne Vanill aftergetting her pregnant, but he literally left
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her one week later and never reallylooked back, and neither supported her nor
the son she gave birth to.If watching The Godfather a Goodfellow has taught
me anything it's that Italians come frombig families, and that family's very important
and good foods also very important.But for Angelo, he married three more
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women and fathered seven additional kids,six boys and one girl. But for
all of this, his attitude towardswomen never changed, Unlike the tough guy
image that he was so intent toreinforce a family just was not important to
him at all. Within all hismarriages, Angelo would often beat and rape
his wives and girlfriends, and it'salso reported that he also sexually assaulted his
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children too. Yeah, you know, actually ran another side note. When
I worked, when I worked contractorto the Corrections, I had a client
one time. He had twenty sevenchildren that the government knew of. Holy
shit, he was one of fortysix, forty six biological brothers and sisters.
Dear lord, his dad liked tofuck. And this wasn't like a
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sperm donor type situation. His dadwas. His dad was an asshole,
and his son was probably a lesserasshole, but still a pretty big asshole.
Still a piece of shit that couldn'tname all of his own kids.
Jesus Christ, just think of thefamily reunions and there's no Yeah, well,
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I like to think of happy things. Well, okay, let's talk
about more about serial killers. Okay. Um, so Angelo having you know,
this big family giving birth like procreating all these kids. I was
slapped over and over again with ordersto pay child to part to the various
women whom he impregnated. But timeand time again he just disregarded the orders.
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Eventually, he was able to openup his own trim shop since he
was also very good at otto upholstery, having once worked on a sports car
owned by Frank Sinatra, which Ithink for him being like this Italian gangster,
I think that was probably his likewet dream of doing that. Yeah.
I can just totally see him,like, you know, like sitting
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there and like I did it myway. Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely.
His house too, was also situatedright up front from the shop, and
he was able to get complete privacyby the location being sandwiched between freeways and
a car wash, which made itgreat for business in the morning and very
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quiet night because not a lot ofpeople would walk that side of town or
that area because it was kind ofin a very business e districtree area,
not a business neighborhood that you'd beright also, Yeah, and it's also
like the sixty seventies at this pointtoo, so um, it wasn't long
before Angelo soon began to parade younggirls in and out of his illustrious abode.
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Young girls were drawn to his machoman style and appearance, and this
was the summing to use after all, and perhaps The most disturbing of all
this was the fact that Angelo wasquickly at approaching the age of forty and
the young girls that he was attractingwere teenage girls thirteen and sixteen years old.
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Like he had his wallet thick withphotos of these girls. Well,
you know, it's too bad thathe didn't, you know, produce a
couple of Academy Award winning films.Then you know he'd be you know,
he'd be well respected. God,what's that director's name? Which one,
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Well, there's more than one.It wasn't. Um well I was,
but oh really, if you're talkingabout the Roman Plansky, Oh okay,
this guy who left America, itwas convicting an absentia of and then marrying
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her. Right, no, Idon't recall our Okay, well that's either
here nor there. Still kind ofin the true crime fashion, though,
um so. In nineteen seventy seven, Angelo played host to his younger cousin
Kenneth after much coaxing from his auntFrancis. Ken was enthralled with the lifestyle
that Angelo was living. He hadso many girlfriends and it was practically a
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harem inside his house. Kenneth wasall too eager to jump in the activities
and quickly found a blonde name ofCheryl. Two of Angelo's sons, Peter
and Danny Um, also started bringinggirls over to their dads, which opened
more avenues to Angelo and Kenneth.But Angelo soon grew tired of having his
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cousin around all the time, andafter seven months of living with him,
kicked him out of the house,which surprisingly he took with good grace because
his mother had just sent him enoughmoney for a down payment on a nineteen
seventy two four door Cadillaccidan. Hehad also found an apartment that was only
six blocks away from his cousin andit was filled with the ladies. While
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living in La Ken tried applying fora position within the LAPD but was rejected.
His second ambition was to become apsychologist, but since he never completed
college, he went about this bysecuring a fake Master of Science degree from
Columbia University, as well as afake certificate of accomplishment from New York's Strong
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Memorial Hospital and a Doctorate of Psychologydiploma from the Psychiatric Association of America.
I kind of find it a littleironic that someone as crazy as him wants
to become a psychologist. It's actuallymore common than you think. Really,
Um, at least, just thisis I don't have any I don't have
any numbers to back this up,but a lot of psychiatrists that I've worked
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with professionally over the years had beena little bit and I'm wondering if they
to school to try to understand someof the Yeah, we're pretty out there.
Yeah, I know. My mom'smentioned before that therapists make the worst
clients for therapy. It's because theyalready know, they already know the statistics,
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and they already know a lot oftechniques. So it's like, how
do you how do you break atechnique out on somebody that they already know
what you're gonna do. Yeah,that's that's a very valid point. Um.
So he ended up. So Kennethended up procuring an office in Hollywood
and created business cards as well aswell as taking out some ad space to
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promote his services, and when thescam didn't really work, he eventually tried
his hand at posing as a majorHollywood studio talent scout. The main reason
behind all of this, though,was his attempt to meet women. The
women he did meet, though hedidn't buy a camera he could have filmed,
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like like the Talent Scout portal.Oh right, like casting couch stuff.
Yeah. The win he did meet, though, would soon become jealous
and abusive if they didn't match hisperfect ideal, kind of like what we
were talking about earlier. When hemet Kelly Boyd on New Year's Eve,
the two started dating and within afew weeks Kelly was moving in with ten
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and by May she was pregnant.So now I'll be honest here at the
timeline, and my sources seems tobe a little garbled, surprise, surprise,
with everything else we've had issues withso far. Wikipedia says that Ken
moved to La nineteen seventy seven andthe murders began in October of seventy seven,
whereas The Daily Duo's book says thatBianchie and Bruno met up in the
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fall of nineteen seventy five, whereasthe Time Life True Crime book says that
Ken moved to La in the fallof nineteen seventy six. So, you
know, we'll just kind of shuffleit all around and just say that it
was the mid to late seventies whenKenna was in La and like all this
started. I mean, we canfor sure say that the first murder happened
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in October seventy seven, so uhAnyWho? At some point before the murders
took place, Kenneth and Angelo decidedto start a prostitution ring um and become
pimps. They did this by recruitingteenage runaways and threatening them with violence.
One of the girls, the sixteenyear old name Sabra, which I'm gonna
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do it. I'm so hungry forhellmess now. I was Honeypot, you're
a sad person person, I'm sadand you're sad, or maybe vice versa.
So Sabra delicious Humas fell into thetrap when she met Ken at a
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party. She was originally from Phoenixand wanted to get out to La to
start a career as a model.Ken played her like a fiddle, a
delicious hummus field fiddle, saying thathe had amazing contacts and she could be
making five hundred dollars a week.So a couple of weeks go by,
and then Sabra returns home to Phoenix, but when her money runs out,
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she calls up Ken and he fliesher back to La and ends up picking
her up in a flashy cadillac.Angelo had told him to put her up
in a hotel of first night.The next day, he took her back
to the shop where Angelo gave herone hundred dollars and told her to go
buy some clothing and makeup. AndSabra thought that Ken and Angelo were kind,
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but the illusion didn't last long.Soon they were coursing her to pose
nude for photos, and then afterassaulting her, pimped her out. They
would regularly beat her with wet towelsso they wouldn't leave marks, and threatened
that if she tried to leave,they would kill her and dismember her,
leaving her body parts in the desertto rot. Kind of makes me think
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of Rambo five Last Blood aka Rambotakes on the Sex Mexican Um Cartel for
sex trafficking. So and you knowhealth dais. Yeah, Yeah, that
was a fun movie, but there'sa lot of what that movie lacked in
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pure violence and gore. Unlike Rambo, it made up for racism by leaps
and bounds. Yeah. The onlything that pissed me off too is like,
you know, in that movie,she wanted to see her dad so
bad, and here I am neverhaving met my dad. I'm like,
bitch, get over yourself. It'snot that important. But you know what,
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each their own. I suppose weare so off topic. This is
going into an hour. God Goddamn, I say, God damn.
So trying to get back on topichere the torture and assault. Folks out
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there, please let me know howwhat you think about this episode. Do
you like this format or do youjust fucking hate it? And do you
want me to just get straight backinto it? This is I feel I
feel like for me, this isvery reminiscent of like last podcast on the
left, but it's just the twoof us. Um But yeah, so
anywhow. The Torture an Assault lastedfor three months until one day in September,
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Sabra just vanished, with not aword or a trace of her on.
The sudden departure of her though infuriatedAngelo and Ken because they had just
been betrayed by another one of theirworking girls, Becky, who escaped after
lamenting her torturous ordeal to a customerwho also happened to be a lawyer.
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Go fucking figure. And this wealthylawyer was able to fly yum becky out
of la with the advice to nevercome back. Like in the true crime
book, it literally says, withthe fatherly advice to never come back,
Let's not forget that this lawyer wasa client and she was about to sleep
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with him. Yeah, so that'skind of creepy. Even more so,
well I meant, but if youget hookers, you're kind of creepy.
Yeah. But the whole fatherly advicething, okay? Uh so any who
uh bono buno. Angelo was pissedbeyond bono buono. Oh no. Angelo
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was pissed beyond all recognition, andin his rage, threatened the lawyer,
who just so happened to have someconnections. One of those connections happened to
be a three hundred pound bouncer namedTiny, who showed up at Angelo's shop
along with four of his buddies andproceeded to threaten Angelo that if he should
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ever threaten the lawyer again, he'dbe back and Buano would be dead.
So you're telling me that a lawyerknews some shady people. That's that's the
most ridiculous, isn't it? Though? I should have you read some of
the dialogue. That's in the bookfrom the bouncer Tiny, it is like
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verbatim out of like Goodfellas, youcome back here. Yeah, you really
want me to read this? Thiswill be fucking hilarious. Okay. Um,
So it starts like right here,and just kind of liked, just
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do the best you can. SoI've reached through the window and I checked
him out through the window so fast, so hard he left the shoes and
he have the shoes in there.Well, I had him up in the
air. I asked him if hedon't mind paying attention to me. So
while I was dangling him him inthe air, he paid full attention.
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So I rowed him back down tothe ground and I gave him one of
the lawyer's cards, and I said, don't be offering to kill him no
more, because the last thing inthe world you want is an instant replay
of me. It's interesting that youtook it. It's interesting that you took
it that way, because when Iwas first reading it, like, even
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though his name is tiny, he'sthree hundred pounds. Well, I just
imagine to do with the tiny likea like a Mike Tyson share Tyson as
voice, like some big ass dowith the guy, Hey, how do
you do Yeah? So the wayI was thinking it in my head,
I was like, Yank, he'sa little sniffling pooh. But it's literally
a fucking line in this book.His job was if if girls were scared
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of snakes, he put snakes onthem. He'd done that to make sure
they brought him money home. Heworked on them morbid fears. We knew
they were into something heavy, butwe didn't know what. But if I'd
known he was killing those little girls, I got four daughters in my own.
I'd snapped their neck like a twigand not had no remorse for it.
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Okay, clearly you have the bettercomedic delivery. So the two skis
bags started driving around Hollywood looking foryoung girls that they could trick into their
little prostitution rank. What would youcall them? Assholes? The SNACKI of
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assholes a bad name. Fuck it. One girl was lucky, though,
when she was approached by Angelo,who had obtained an LA police badge illegally
and had asked for her ID itread Katherine Lore. Inside her wallet was
a photo of her and her father, famous film star Peter Lore Peter Laurie.
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Okay, Catherine Laurie Peter Laurie,Okay, apologies, um so,
but when Angelo realized who her fatherwas, the pair backed off and then
they didn't want to be involved withsuch a high profiled girl. Peter Laurie,
ironically enough, starred in the nineteenthirty one German film called m where
he killed little kids. Yep,he plays Actually it's actually if you've never
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seen it, it's it's pretty creepyand but he does a masterful job.
Yeah, Peter Laurie. I waswatching some clips of him on YouTube while
I was doing this research. He'sright, And now it makes sense because
like I remember watching Saturday Morning cartoonsand they'd always have that like one creepy
character like have you ever seen umthe corpse Bride? Yes, yeah,
that that little worm. I thinkhe's modeled after Peter Wore. Like they
(50:15):
like they literally tunes. Yeah,Like they used to like stick him in
their yea like a lot of cactushim, And I had no idea that
was actually based on him, Yeah, which is crazy, especially like it's
like it's got some pretty creepy shit. Yeah, Like there's if I remember,
there's an opening scene where there's likethis little girl with a ball with
(50:37):
a balloon and then you just seethis shadow cast over her, like it's
pretty creepy. Yeah, even forlike nineteen thirty one, it was such
a controversial film when it came out. Um, that would be such a
cool thing to talk about sometimes,like those kind of old school films.
Maybe we'll do that first size Liice, we could do that or you know,
and also we should also watch sometime. I'm pretty sure Red Letter Media.
(51:00):
Oh nice, yes, and I'msorry, angry dame. Oh send
the masaker. Oh I can imagine. Yeah, oh that's cool. Um.
So in October, h Angelo andKenneth were burned yet again, this
time when they bought a list ofJohn's from a prostitute and her two friends.
(51:21):
And if you don't know, John'sare like these guys stupid go up
to a hooker and she's like,yeah, I know, a bunch of
guys John Smith, Rupert Thorne,Robert Murder, John Doe. Yeah.
Yeah. So supposedly this list containedthe names of clients who preferred to have
(51:45):
the prostitutes come out to them,and it contained one hundred and seventy five
names, and the prostitute said thatthey would give them this list for a
dollar and name, so this ispretty expensive. However, the two discovered
that the list was a scam andthe list of men uh was of men
who did not want the girls tocome to them, but instead it wanted
(52:07):
them to come to Angelo's house tofuck the girls. So the two pimps
were pissed and wanted to take therevenge on the prostitute who sold them the
fake list. Well it could havebeen that fake, they still came a
list of people that wanted to fuck. Yeah, So like in hindsight,
like, I really don't understand.I suppose that because his business was literally
(52:29):
attached to his thing, Like Idon't know, but I'm just like,
yeah, they were pretty fucking stupid. We're talking like we could have done
this better. I suppose. Isuppose most problems that you apply a little
bit of critical thinking too, likestop from it and think, huh,
could I get ripped off here?The answer is probably yes, yeah,
(52:51):
probably. Fortunately for the prostitute,though that's applied the list she had wisely
disappeared. Unfortunately for one of herfriends that were with her that night that
delivered the list. Kenneth and Angeloto We're going to go after her instead,
and that was Yolanda Washington. Ibelieve the first victim. Yep.
(53:15):
Yes, and this is where we'reactually gonna end today's Tale of true crime.
And her case is very interesting becauseand we'll talk about this in like
the third or fourth episode. Um, they would not be convicted for her
murder, but we'll get into thatlater. So yes, thank you guys
so much for listening. UM.I know this episode is much longer than
(53:37):
previous ones, but you know what, I actually had a lot of fun
recording this with you. Kyle.Yeah. Absolutely, Um, except for
we now look like Ski Yeah yeah, we looks assholes. Wow we are
We are definitely assholes. Um.I want to thank you guys so much
for listening UM to Murders my Signs, So please be sure to share that
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I gotta work, so that's gonnabe fun. Anyhow, Thank you guys
again so much for listening. Thankyou so much Kyle for being here.
Uh, Like I said, Ihad a lot of fun. I guess
we'll kind of get some feedback hopefullyif you guys like this kind of format.
(55:07):
We are so weird, but thisI think this is where we shine
a little bit. Honestly, thisjust brings us closer together. Anyhow,
this is where we're gonna end up, folks. Tune in next week um
for the next installment of Deadly Duel. Duel. Oh my god, I've
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