March 27, 2020 • 36 mins
In this final installment of Deadly Duos Hillside Stranglers, Kyle and I finish our discussion on Kenneth Bianchi and Angelo Buono. How long did their trial last? Where the hell is Walla Walla? Do Geminis and Libras get along? All this and more is covered in this episode.
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He talks about the news that big media won't cover and makes you think critically about where your sources of information are coming from.
Music used in this episode:
"Lightless Dawn"
"Pamgaea"
by Kevin MacLeod
Link: https://incompetech.filmmusic.io/song/5050-wholesome
License: http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/
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This show may contain adult language andthemes. Listener discretion is advised. With
that all the way, let's startthe show now now now, now,
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now you're listening to the Murder ismy signed podcast, the only true chrome
astrology podcast, and I'm your host, Jordi Death here to let your way
through the true crime astrology storm andin the studio with me again is killer
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Kyle. That's your new nickname untilyou tell me otherwise. Let's pick something
different for next time. Okay,Well, I will leave you in charge
of doing that then, sir shouldwell okay, quarantine Kyle crazy? Yes,
what do you want to say?Say tgif? But now with all
the horrible nicknames, you can justf off later later. Uh So,
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now we are finishing up the serieson the deadly duo Hillside Strangler. How
exciting at yeah? So, tobriefly recap from the last episode, Kenneth
Bianchi and Angelo Buono when after afriend of the prostitute that sold them the
fake list of people whom they thoughtwanted girls to come out to them because
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Kenne Angelo were looking to start aprostitution ring and become pimps. Unfortunately for
Yolanda Washington. It was that friendor she was that friend that was picked
up and then sub subsequent, subsequently, subsequently, subsequently, thank you,
subsequently words are hard um and shewas unfortunately subsequently raped and murdered in the
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back of the car while Angelo wasdriving on the freeway, only to have
her body dumped up in the hillsof La right in front of some cemetery
gates. Very good song, Well, Pantera. The cousins quickly redeveloped a
method and pattern of who they wouldtarget and how they would go about getting
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their victims and then disposing of them. Both men had fake badges LAPD ANDHP,
and then they would use these totarget prostitutes, get them into the
car, and then handcuff them sayingthat they were under arrest. The women
were then transported back to Angelo's house, where they were then raped and then
strangled to death before having their nakedbodies dumped somewhere in the hills of Los
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Angeles. Yep. I mean,at this point, they're definitely, you
know, developing their pattern as Ihad mentioned, and they're kind of getting
it down to a science. Eventhough Angelo was trying to get creative with
some of the Deaths of the Womenby and Jack ding windex into one woman
and then electrocuting in another. Um, but neither attempt to prove fatal enough
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to work. Pick up you knowhobby, like a healthy hobby like trains
or rock collecting or you know,like building erector sets. But what's that
director sets? Yeah, it's likean old school Uh, like you had
little motors, Gyrose, like youcould build things out of them, like
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like connect Yeah, but like actuallike actual metal pieces like not screws,
bolts. You can make all kindsof things wheels like did you ever see
stand By Me? No? No, I'm not stand by Me. It's
the baseball movie killing Me? Smalls. Uh, well I haven't seen it,
saying a lot, No, Ihaven't seen it. Cla. There's
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a classic use of director set inthat movie. Actually, but interesting,
but we digress. So you know, Angelo clearly should have gotten a hobby
other than injecting windex into women.Um. But not too long after murder
Yeah, and here I am makingit crazy. Not too long after murdering
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their tenth victim, Ken's and strangegirlfriend Kelly, gave birth to their son
Ryan. Ken had smacked up Kellya few times prior to which prompted which
prompted her to move out, andwhen she gave birth to Ryan, she
decided to leave California and move upnorth to Washington State to be closer to
her parents. Yeah. In Mayof nineteen seventy eight, Ken drove a
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junker up to Washington to be closerto Kelly. His bond with his cousin
Angelo, siming to have disintegrated.Ken seemed to have mended his ways until
the evening of January eleventh, nineteenseventy nine. So how long is this
after the last time they killed somebody? Um, I want to say just
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a couple of months, I feel, because they were going pretty fast,
pretty hard there for a while,right, yeah, like more some of
them like six days apart, fivedays apart. Yeah, Yeah, And
then there was like a two monthbreak where they didn't kill anyone because Ken's
car get repossessed and I don't knowwhat Angela was doing anything. I'm sure
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he was kind of fucking off somewhere. Um, but yeah, there was
a two month period where no onewas killed. Um thinks you right,
that's a really good musical. Um. So yeah. February eighth, of
February sixteenth, nineteen seventy eight wasthe death of Cindy Lee hudspith Um.
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And then so yeah, it wasliterally almost a year. Wow, almost
a year. I would say,Um, now that they know of yeah,
Um, now Ken was up inWashington and he killed these two girls,
so we're let's just get into that. Then, so m he was
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now So Ken was now now operatingon his own, and by doing so,
I made some critical errors that wouldeventually lead to his capture and arrest.
One of the reasons why serial killerscan go undetected for so long is
that a lot of them tend totarget prostitutes or people who tend to go
under the radar, so that itwon't appear as if so it will appear
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as if the killings are completely random. It's as if the victims are chosen
at random, like they won thelottery. You could say, one in
a thousand prostitutes, one in onehundred thousand and twelve year olds, one
in fifty thousand students, different demographics, totally random. With no crime scene
to investigate, Ken and Angelo wereable to kill ten women without so much
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of a glance from the police andlet us. Not forget that Ken wanted
to be an LAPD officer, andhe even went on civilian right alongs with
the local police officers. No way, I have not have you done I've
done three or four times. Howdo you even go about doing that?
You just go down to the policedepartment and requests to do it. They
have to let you do it aslong as you're not a danger to yourself
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or others. You're you're a member, you're remember of the community. You
have the right to see how thepolice operate within the community. Really,
No, I'm sure they it's kindof goosed back like, but I mean,
yeah, but you they take youto crime scenes. I've seen things
happen right in front of me.Shit, I saw a drunk seventeen year
old girl coming from a wedding crashinto a parked car on the side of
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the road because she saw some swervedand crashed right into a park or roll
apart cars. Jesus, Yeah,that's crazy, seventeen year old and drunk
as hell. This is Wisconsin,so that's not a completely unrealistic thing to
happen. Right. Well, you'vedone it. I've done it probably four
or five times. Interesting to see. Um Gurney, Illinois, the Lake
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County Sheriffs, sheriffs cool nice coolLAPD by chance? No, no,
okay, let's get back to it. Then. Wow, you're the one.
You're the one who wanted interject more. Yeah, this is true.
I'm just wheeling it back. Ilove you. So Ken wanted to be
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an LAPD officer really badly went oncivilian right alons, Um not in kenoshirt
or like Green County or whatever youwere saying. Um, I'm sorry,
I gotta go use the bathroom.Why don't you keep going? Okay.
What caused Ken to get captured wasthat while he was in Bellingham, Washington,
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Ken made the mistake of killing twopopular women, one of them being
an acquaintance of his. So,you know, killing people you know,
uh, I guess heightens the thrillbecause if he can get away with it,
then it probably just juices you upeven more. Karen Mandick twenty two
and Diane Wilder twenty seven were thelast victims of Kenneth Bianchi, and he
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was later caught due to a trialdue to a trail of clues that placed
him in the company of the twowomen the night they died. Both were
strangled, just like the other tenwomen before them. This was the beginning
of the end for Ken. Afterhe was arrested by police, Ken claimed
that he had an alter ego namedSteve, who was actually responsible for the
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killings. He states that Steve tiedthe woman up after they arrived at a
residence that they were to house itfor. He bound and gagged the women
and then proceeded to rape them andthen strangled them with a cord. After
the women were killed, Ken draggedtheir bodies out of the basement where he
had done the deed and out toKaren's Karen Mandick's mercury Bobcat, where he
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placed the bodies and then drove tothe deserted cul de Sac nearby. This
is where his what come security truckwas parked, you know, having no
ledge it actually trying to find ajob well and also a beginning. Like
before the murders, he did havea job as a security officer. Ken
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then drove to the office of hisjob for a few moments and then went
home to watch some TV with Kellyand then went to bed. While he
was in custody being questioned, Kentried pretty hard to give into the detectives
and even the psychologists that he hadmultiple personalities and that he didn't kill anyone.
That was all Steve, two psychiatristswere fooled by Ken's display, but
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the detectives weren't buying it, sothey brought in their own expert, who
immediately saw through his ruse and contradictedhis two colleagues. Ken was given a
multitude of rigorous tests which concluded thathe was indeed faking multiple personalities. Now,
doctor Orne, the one who knewthat Ken was faking, was smart
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because he knew that it would beessentially his word against that of two of
his colleagues, who claimed that KennethBianci did in fact have multiple personalities and
would favor them. So, asdoctor Orn was packing up, he mentioned
to Ken that it was incredibly rareto find someone who had had only one
personality within his head. It wasfar more common to find subjects with three
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or more who was diagnosed with multiplepersonality disorder, and Ken, well,
he took the bait. A seconduninvited personality suddenly appeared that would share the
blame for the killings. Along withSteve, another independent expert, doctor Saul
Fairstein shared doctor Orn's skepticism. Sonow it's pretty much they called him on
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his bluff and Ken dropped the act. I mean, I mean, I
mean now in our current time,multiple personality disorder isn't really seen as something
that's a legitimate thing, sort ofa bad for a period of time.
It's less and less taken seriously.I suppose I don't really know much of
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it. I just know that's notthe diagnostic is not considered multiple personality.
It's dissociative identity disorder. So Neil, that's the most updated one right as
sanity hearing was held on October nineteenth, nineteen seventy nine, in Washington.
At the time, it looked likeJudge Jack Kurtz would order Kenneth to stand
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trial and face the death penalty ifhe lost, so prosecutors in both California
and Washington worked on creating a pleabargain that would cover the murder charges in
both states. If he accepted thedeal, he would plead guilty to some
of the crimes and escape the deathpenalty if he testified against his cousin Angelo.
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Ken took the deal, and ashe sat in court listening to the
accounts of rape, torture, andstrangulation that he confessed to. He cried.
He told the I can't found thewords to express the sorrow for what
I have done. In no waycan I take away the pain I have
given to others, and in noway can I expect forgiveness from others.
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So basically, yeah, absolutely so. He pleaded guilty to the Washington State
murders of Karen Mandick and Diane Wilderand was sentenced to two life terms in
Washington State. After the sentence,he was flown to la where he pleaded
guilty to five of the ten Hillsidestrangler murders and received a life term for
each murder and an additional term fora conspiracy to commit murder and an additional
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time un charges of sodomy. Becausehe testified against his cousin, he was
spared the gas chamber. In California, the multiple sentences were merged into one
life sentence with the possibility of parolein seven years and then every three years
thereafter. This means that Ken wouldspend up to thirty five years in California
prisons, and then we moved toWashington's Walla Walla prison for at least twenty
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five more years, forced two lifesentences in that state. Now, Angelo
did not go to jail until Kenhad made his deal in Washington because the
police had not uncovered enough circumstantial evidenceto convict Buono as a hillside strangler without
Ken's very detailed testimony. Detectives werekeeping a twenty four hour watch on Angelo,
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and the moment that Ken agreed tothe plea bargain, the cops got
word and pounced on him, whichkind of like blows my mind that they
didn't have enough circumstantial evidence at thetime. Once he was in prison,
Angelo was assigned to the Higher Power, which is a super security section reserved
for prisoners who are high risk fromother inmates. This includes informers or rapists
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whose victims were young. Angelo waspretty quiet while locked up here, but
when he was asked by a fellowinmate while he killed all those girls,
he said, there good. Theydeserved to die. It had to be
done. But I only killed acouple of them. I ain't worried my
cousin's going to do his little nutbag. So basically he was just counting
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on his cousin to act like afucking lunatic and get out of it all.
This, of course, was usedagainst him during the trial. Ken
tried all surprise, don't talk toanybody in high power. Yeah. Ken
tried all the different ways that hecould think of to get out of this.
He wrote his mother a letter towhich he claimed that a confession from
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the real Bellingham rapist strangler, andasked that she sent it to the Seattle
Times, but she refused and insteadtold her his lawyer about the letter.
Ken then tried to get an oldgirlfriend to be his alibi for the night
of the murders, and she originallywent wasn't until she later recanted her statement,
and then finally in nineteen eighty,he met his twenty three year old
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California woman named Veronica Compton and starteda love with love affair with her vmail.
Now. Veronica was a budding andwanted to be an actress, and
she was working on a play aboutserial killers. She desperately wanted to help
Ken, so she thought that ifshe could pick up a woman at the
bar and strangle her, it wouldprove that the Hillside strangler was still at
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large. Veronica failed and was arrestedand sentenced to life in prison that exact
things. It's been a plot pointin a lot of TV shows, like
I remember seeing that that idea atleast twice, Yeah, in various shows.
The preliminary hearing on Angelo Buono lastedfor ten months. Ken did his
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absolute best to muddy everything up bychanging his testimony, messing up details,
and drawing blanks on time periods.He wanted to remove himself as a reliable
witness, and it appeared as ifhe had succeeded. The district attorney,
who had originally set the deal withKen, moved to dismiss all ten murder
indictments against Angelo because with a pathologicalliar like Ken as a prime witness,
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the state could not proceed with asuccessful prosecution. Thankfully, the judge who
was proceeding over this was a toughand smart man who had argued cases before
the US Supreme Court. Superior CourtJudge Ronald M. George ripped into the
DA's office for suddenly concluding that theyhad no case after twenty two months of
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proceedings, where the DA had statedjust two months prior that the state had
quote more than sufficient evidence to showpresumption of guilt. End quote. So
another key thing of this court caseis that it went on for years.
It's noted for being one of thelongest in California history. The judge did
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not focus on Ken's lies and contradictions, but instead on the underlying consistency of
the confessions. No matter how cantry to muddy up his confessions, he
and his cousin were always the protagonists. So Judge George Stayden, the Court's
decision is that our legal system shouldbe permitted to run its normal course by
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appropriate submission of the issue of guiltor innocence to a jury selected from the
community, rather than leaving that issueto the disposition of the district attorney.
Motion deny. Oh, that's cute. It wasn't until the spring of nineteen
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eighty two that a jury of sevenwomen and five men were selected, and
these men and women would spend atotal of three hundred and forty five trial
days listening to a parade of threehundred and ninety two witnesses, spewing fourth
more than fifty six thousand pages oftestimony. Yes, that is right.
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That is two years in court.Yeah, Like I said, this is
one of the longest trials in California. Happens to your job, dude?
Yeah, Texes, Like, whatdo you think happens with that shit?
I don't fucking know. When Christmasrolls? Do you get to go to
Christmas? I don't know. WhenKen finally took the stand, he was
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witness number two hundred and it wasJune of nineteen eighty two. He remained
there as a witness for fifty fourcourt days. They warned the jury that
Ken was a known liar, butthat he had already confessed to the killings
on tape, to which they playedback the tape. They even took a
field trip to the dumping sites wherethe Stranglers had disposed of the bodies of
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young Dolores and Sonja. The prosecutioncontinued until they finally rested their case on
April twenty six, nineteen eighty three. The cross examination was brutal and carried
on for another six months, untilfinally, on October twenty first, nineteen
eighty three, the judge charged thejury to reach a verdict. They took
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nine days in which the jury phonedAngelo guilty of murdering Lauren Wagner. The
jury then retired considered the other ninevictims. Three days later, they returned
with a verdict of innocence in themurder of Yolanda Washington. This was because
they can not guilty, Yeah,they they This was because they concluded that
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Angelo was only guilty of driving thecar. It was Ken who had strangled
Yolanda. He's luck he's not inWisconsin. I think California does well,
but felon murder would apply. Iwould think, interesting, Yeah, are
you familiar. No, it's whereif you're a participant in a crime,
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that all the outcomes of that crimeyou're responsible for as well. Like let's
say you and me goo rob agas station and when we walked, we
got them in with the plar gunsand there's an old lady in there,
she has a hard tech and dies. We can both be charged with her
because we caused the situation that ledto her death. Or let's say the
guy behind the clerk pulls out agun and shoots you and kills you.
I can be charged with your murderbecause we precipitated the event which led to
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your death. Interesting, it's calledthe felony murder wood. Interesting, I
had no idea. Huh. That'swhy bank robbers like let's say the getaway
driver. Then let's say bank robberskill somebody. Getaway driver gets the same
sentence as the people that were insidethe bank. Yeah, that wouldn't make
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sense. I suppose for each victim, the jury deliberated Judy Miller guilty on
Sunday, November fifth, Dolores Zebraand Sonja Johnson guilty on Monday morning,
November seventh, Kimberly Martin guilty thatsame afternoon, Christina Weckler, Lisa Caston,
Jane Kin guilty, guilty, andguilty all on Wednesday, November ninth,
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and finally Cindy Hudspith guilty on Monday, November fourteenth. Angelo finally took
the stand just two days later.He was thinner and his hair was now
gray since he could no longer dietin prison. He was still the tough
guy that he personified, and whenasked what punishment he felt he should receive,
he muttered, my morals and myconstitutional rights has been broken. I
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ain't taking any procedure in this trial. I stand mute. I am standing
mute to anything further that God doesn'tknow his rights, constitutional process or grammar.
No, he's an idiot, yeah, for sure. Although the prosecutors
called for the death penalty, thejurors perhaps believed that he should not be
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punished more severely than can and settledon life in prison without the possibility of
parole. So on January fourth,nineteen eighty four, Judge George began the
sentencing. He started with Bianchi andsaid that he had lied too much to
have fulfilled his side of the pleabargain, and it was ruled that he
should be sent to the hardest possibletime and was moved to Washington Penitentiary at
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Walla Walla, where he is currentlyimprisoned. Having been denied parole in twenty
ten. He'll be up again intwenty twenty five. Angela Buno was imprisoned
at Calipatria State Prison and in nineteeneighty six married Christine Kazuka, a mother
of three and a supervisor at theCalifornia State Employment Department. I'm sorry,
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California State Development Department. Did Isay that right? California State Employment Development
Department. Jesus Christ three times.There you go. The judge was not
happy that the killers escaped the deathpenalty and instead got to spend their lives
in prison. Being housed, fed, and clothed at the taxpayer's expense,
being cared for more than some ofthe destitute law body members of the community
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got the death penalty. That wewould have wrecked up so much money,
and yeah, it would probably itwould be a wash either way. Yeah,
that's true. M Angelo died onSeptember twenty first night, two thousand
and seven, at the age ofsixty seven from a heart attack. He
was cremated. In two thousand andseven. His grandson, Christopher Buno,
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killed his grandmother, Mary Casilo byshooting her in the head, and then
later killed himself. Mary Casilo wasone of the was at one time married
to Angelo and had five children.He was unaware of his grandfather's true identity
until two thousand and five. SoI wonder if, like, he found
out who his grandpa was and thenit just kind of went not so er
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what or maybe he just I mean, mental illness does tend to run sure,
violent disposition, you know. Yeah, a lot of it depend on
your race. So yeah, that'svery true. I'm sure his kids,
I'm sure his kids weren't the raisedthe greatest and they probably passed that along
with their kids. Yeah, butthat, my dear friends, is the
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story of the Hillside Tranglers. Sonow we get to go to the astrology
bit, which I know, Iknow you're just so excited for Kyle.
It's gonna be gray. Oh mygod. So Kenneth Bianchi was born on
May twenty second, nineteen fifty one, in Rochester, New York. So
that means that his son signs ofGemini, his moon signs and Sagittarius.
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And at the time of his birthhe only had two planets in retrograde Saturn
and Neptune, so those don't havelike a whole lot of impact on him.
How his chart breaks down is hehas six masculine, four feminine,
four cardinal, two fixed, fourmutable signs three fire, two earth,
three air, and two waters.So between the signs, as far as
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these elements go, he's pretty balanced. The cardinal mutable stuff, he's pretty
balanced that way. He's more masculinein his signage than feminine. But you
know, a lot of the strawsdon't really pay a whole lot of attention
to that. I suppose for hisbirthday of May twenty six, it is
the birthday of the inventor. Accordingto the Encyclopedia, the greatest challenge for
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those born on this day is avoidingobsessive or controlling behavior, and the way
forward is to understand that the moreyou try to control people or situations,
the more they want to break free. And I feel like Kenneth was very
much a controlling person. He wantsto hit me. Why else do you
want to be a pimp? Imean, really, on the dark side,
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they are obsessive, touchy, manipulative, and at their best they're inventive,
productive, and tenacious. But typicallyby the age of thirty, these
people will have calmed down to learnto be less touchy when their concentration is
disturbed. The late thirties and beyondare also the years when they are most
likely to decide on what they wantto contribute to the world and back it
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up with action. Well, I'mcurious as to what he's contributing to the
world from his jail cell. Butyou know, maybe he's mellowed out now.
We can only hope he's adding methaneto the environment. Like cows.
Yeah, cows are useful. Yeah, prisoners not so much, it can
be, but some of them lessthan others. Yeah. Now with Angelo,
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Now, remember Angelo was almost hewas like over twenty years old.
He was twenty years older than Ken. So Angelo was born on October fifth,
nineteen thirty four in Rochester, NewYork. So this means that his
son's a Libra. So Gemini andLibra are both air signs, the third
one being an Aquarius, which ismy sign. Sun sign is like the
greater, like the greater personality.Your moon sign is like your emotional self,
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like how you deal with your feelingsand things like that. So his
moon sign was in Virgo, whichis an earth sign, so more grounded.
Sagittarius, which is Ken's moon sign. That's a fire sign, so
a little bit more hot headed.Angelo only has two planets in retrograde Saturn,
which was an equa areas, andthen You're honest, which was in
Taurus. Both of those were inretrograde. Now he has an even split
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with his masculine and feminine signs cardinals, four fixes for mutables too. Now
he's pretty weak on the fire.He has one fire sign, three earth
signs, four aero signs, andtwo water signs. So if you have
more of one element in your chart, you're lacking in other areas. You
can have like more of a fierypersonality, like because the fire signs are
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pretty loud and boisterous, more actionoriented. If you have a lot of
Earth signs in your chart, canbe more grounded, more stable. More
Aero signs would mean that you arevery intellectual, very communicative. So basically
the traits that the signs are knownfor go with the elements too, So
if you have more of the elementin your chart, you're more prone to
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show those traits. So water signsare more intuitive, more emotional, more
in touch with their feelings. Soif you have a very watery chart,
you're probably more sensitive and probably morein tune with your feelings or you can
easily pick up on the feelings ofothers. And both these guys we're not
very watery within their chart. Betweenthem, I would say they're more manipulative
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with a communicative disease. I meanbecause they're both air signs, so they
have more air within their chart.Angela's birthday of October fifth is the birthday
of the of dignified Altruism, Sogreatest challenge for those born on this day
is keeping a sense of perspective.The way forward is to understand that getting
carried away in your devotion to acause is counterproductive. Losing your perspective means
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losing your ability to make an effectivecontribution. Both Ken and Angelo will be
drawn towards each other, but theunion can be unstable at times, largely
because there will neverly be a division, probably through misunderstanding on romantic levels,
which may frustrate the partner. Soeven though obviously these two weren't romantic together,
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they did share a lot of thesame partners and stuff like that,
so I guess there was a littlebit of that perhaps between the two.
But we did see that as thethings progressed, the relationship between these two
did dissolve quite rapidly, to thepoint where Angelo got really fucking fed up
with Kennon even before it Ken movedto Washington, he told him to get
the fuck out of town. Anideal aspect for the couple as they will
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have a lot of interests and projectsin common, right and they will understand
each other well. Ironically, thefunniest thing I've ever heard in my life.
There is a mental rapport that sometimesborder on telepathic, which is kind
of funny. But yeah, Iwould say they had some interests in common,
and they like to do some projectstogether, mainly picking up prostitutes and
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killing them. Oh my god.Yeah, this union is that that is
particularly based on physical understanding and passionatelove. There's a lot of affection between
them and they need to wrest itphysically. So even though these two aren't
necessarily fucking each other, they're fuckingthe same people and uh and and killing
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people. I think when you sayfuck, there's something that I don't like
about that because they were raping people. It's not the same thing. Okay,
yeah, okay, so when thesetwo people were raping each other,
they weren't. Okay, so whatI'm saying, But like Canna and Angela,
we're not fucking each other. Theywere raping the same person that people
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their Their chart basically breaks down tothe fact that like, even though there's
like a lot of compatibility between thetwo, they will inevitably drive each other
apart with their communication styles being sodifferent. And Gemini is a sign that
of the twins and they're they're thebest communicators up of the zodiac and Libra
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is the scale, so they likethings balanced, so you would so that
would make sense, Like overall,why they would be very compatible. It
is because they can communicate, theycan be balanced, they can you know,
find the equilibrium between the two.But I think in the end what
it boils down to is a hugeage gap between the two, with Angelo
being twenty years older than Can andCan kind of being rootless or rutless or
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whatever and just looking up to thewrong idols and Angelo just being a fucking
piece of shit to begin with.So Can sextile, Jupiter and the lunar
node. They are made for eachother. They go well together, they
have intellectual understanding and confidencing each other, a harmonious couple. So yeah,
like I said, overall, itwas a very compatible charting between the two.
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But I think when you go intolike this kind of relationship, whether
or not your family or related inthat regard, when you start hurting people
and killing people, it just addsa whole different layer, different flavor of
stress that inevitably will will break down. I would say that's probably I mean,
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you'd hope that this type of situationcouldn't last, regardless of the reasons,
right, I see'd hope, Soyeah, that's very true. So
yeah, I think that's basically thatthat's it for the series. I got
nothing more to say on these two. Any last thoughts feelings are rare comments.
I don't wish ill of anybody,But if I woke up tomorrow and
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read in the paper he's dead,I'd be all right with it, right.
Yeah, I'm just very curious because, like in the article I was
reading, they said that Walla Wallawas like the harder of the two prisons.
I'm just curious as to why thatis. But I don't know.
So, and he's still at WallaWalla according to the Wikipedia page that they
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have on him. So AnyWho,may he never see another sunrise? To
that, may he get COVID nineteenand shit his pants, even though those
two things do not go hand inhand. Well, you know, definitely
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that all the way, let's startthe show now now now, now,
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now you're listening to the Murder ismy signed podcast, the only true chrome
astrology podcast, and I'm your host, Jordi Death here to let your way
through the true crime astrology storm andin the studio with me again is killer
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Kyle. That's your new nickname untilyou tell me otherwise. Let's pick something
different for next time. Okay,Well, I will leave you in charge
of doing that then, sir shouldwell okay, quarantine Kyle crazy? Yes,
what do you want to say?Say tgif? But now with all
the horrible nicknames, you can justf off later later. Uh So,
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now we are finishing up the serieson the deadly duo Hillside Strangler. How
exciting at yeah? So, tobriefly recap from the last episode, Kenneth
Bianchi and Angelo Buono when after afriend of the prostitute that sold them the
fake list of people whom they thoughtwanted girls to come out to them because
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Kenne Angelo were looking to start aprostitution ring and become pimps. Unfortunately for
Yolanda Washington. It was that friendor she was that friend that was picked
up and then sub subsequent, subsequently, subsequently, subsequently, thank you,
subsequently words are hard um and shewas unfortunately subsequently raped and murdered in the
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back of the car while Angelo wasdriving on the freeway, only to have
her body dumped up in the hillsof La right in front of some cemetery
gates. Very good song, Well, Pantera. The cousins quickly redeveloped a
method and pattern of who they wouldtarget and how they would go about getting
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their victims and then disposing of them. Both men had fake badges LAPD ANDHP,
and then they would use these totarget prostitutes, get them into the
car, and then handcuff them sayingthat they were under arrest. The women
were then transported back to Angelo's house, where they were then raped and then
strangled to death before having their nakedbodies dumped somewhere in the hills of Los
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Angeles. Yep. I mean,at this point, they're definitely, you
know, developing their pattern as Ihad mentioned, and they're kind of getting
it down to a science. Eventhough Angelo was trying to get creative with
some of the Deaths of the Womenby and Jack ding windex into one woman
and then electrocuting in another. Um, but neither attempt to prove fatal enough
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to work. Pick up you knowhobby, like a healthy hobby like trains
or rock collecting or you know,like building erector sets. But what's that
director sets? Yeah, it's likean old school Uh, like you had
little motors, Gyrose, like youcould build things out of them, like
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like connect Yeah, but like actuallike actual metal pieces like not screws,
bolts. You can make all kindsof things wheels like did you ever see
stand By Me? No? No, I'm not stand by Me. It's
the baseball movie killing Me? Smalls. Uh, well I haven't seen it,
saying a lot, No, Ihaven't seen it. Cla. There's
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a classic use of director set inthat movie. Actually, but interesting,
but we digress. So you know, Angelo clearly should have gotten a hobby
other than injecting windex into women.Um. But not too long after murder
Yeah, and here I am makingit crazy. Not too long after murdering
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their tenth victim, Ken's and strangegirlfriend Kelly, gave birth to their son
Ryan. Ken had smacked up Kellya few times prior to which prompted which
prompted her to move out, andwhen she gave birth to Ryan, she
decided to leave California and move upnorth to Washington State to be closer to
her parents. Yeah. In Mayof nineteen seventy eight, Ken drove a
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junker up to Washington to be closerto Kelly. His bond with his cousin
Angelo, siming to have disintegrated.Ken seemed to have mended his ways until
the evening of January eleventh, nineteenseventy nine. So how long is this
after the last time they killed somebody? Um, I want to say just
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a couple of months, I feel, because they were going pretty fast,
pretty hard there for a while,right, yeah, like more some of
them like six days apart, fivedays apart. Yeah, Yeah, And
then there was like a two monthbreak where they didn't kill anyone because Ken's
car get repossessed and I don't knowwhat Angela was doing anything. I'm sure
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he was kind of fucking off somewhere. Um, but yeah, there was
a two month period where no onewas killed. Um thinks you right,
that's a really good musical. Um. So yeah. February eighth, of
February sixteenth, nineteen seventy eight wasthe death of Cindy Lee hudspith Um.
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And then so yeah, it wasliterally almost a year. Wow, almost
a year. I would say,Um, now that they know of yeah,
Um, now Ken was up inWashington and he killed these two girls,
so we're let's just get into that. Then, so m he was
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now So Ken was now now operatingon his own, and by doing so,
I made some critical errors that wouldeventually lead to his capture and arrest.
One of the reasons why serial killerscan go undetected for so long is
that a lot of them tend totarget prostitutes or people who tend to go
under the radar, so that itwon't appear as if so it will appear
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as if the killings are completely random. It's as if the victims are chosen
at random, like they won thelottery. You could say, one in
a thousand prostitutes, one in onehundred thousand and twelve year olds, one
in fifty thousand students, different demographics, totally random. With no crime scene
to investigate, Ken and Angelo wereable to kill ten women without so much
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of a glance from the police andlet us. Not forget that Ken wanted
to be an LAPD officer, andhe even went on civilian right alongs with
the local police officers. No way, I have not have you done I've
done three or four times. Howdo you even go about doing that?
You just go down to the policedepartment and requests to do it. They
have to let you do it aslong as you're not a danger to yourself
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or others. You're you're a member, you're remember of the community. You
have the right to see how thepolice operate within the community. Really,
No, I'm sure they it's kindof goosed back like, but I mean,
yeah, but you they take youto crime scenes. I've seen things
happen right in front of me.Shit, I saw a drunk seventeen year
old girl coming from a wedding crashinto a parked car on the side of
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the road because she saw some swervedand crashed right into a park or roll
apart cars. Jesus, Yeah,that's crazy, seventeen year old and drunk
as hell. This is Wisconsin,so that's not a completely unrealistic thing to
happen. Right. Well, you'vedone it. I've done it probably four
or five times. Interesting to see. Um Gurney, Illinois, the Lake
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County Sheriffs, sheriffs cool nice coolLAPD by chance? No, no,
okay, let's get back to it. Then. Wow, you're the one.
You're the one who wanted interject more. Yeah, this is true.
I'm just wheeling it back. Ilove you. So Ken wanted to be
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an LAPD officer really badly went oncivilian right alons, Um not in kenoshirt
or like Green County or whatever youwere saying. Um, I'm sorry,
I gotta go use the bathroom.Why don't you keep going? Okay.
What caused Ken to get captured wasthat while he was in Bellingham, Washington,
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Ken made the mistake of killing twopopular women, one of them being
an acquaintance of his. So,you know, killing people you know,
uh, I guess heightens the thrillbecause if he can get away with it,
then it probably just juices you upeven more. Karen Mandick twenty two
and Diane Wilder twenty seven were thelast victims of Kenneth Bianchi, and he
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was later caught due to a trialdue to a trail of clues that placed
him in the company of the twowomen the night they died. Both were
strangled, just like the other tenwomen before them. This was the beginning
of the end for Ken. Afterhe was arrested by police, Ken claimed
that he had an alter ego namedSteve, who was actually responsible for the
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killings. He states that Steve tiedthe woman up after they arrived at a
residence that they were to house itfor. He bound and gagged the women
and then proceeded to rape them andthen strangled them with a cord. After
the women were killed, Ken draggedtheir bodies out of the basement where he
had done the deed and out toKaren's Karen Mandick's mercury Bobcat, where he
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placed the bodies and then drove tothe deserted cul de Sac nearby. This
is where his what come security truckwas parked, you know, having no
ledge it actually trying to find ajob well and also a beginning. Like
before the murders, he did havea job as a security officer. Ken
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then drove to the office of hisjob for a few moments and then went
home to watch some TV with Kellyand then went to bed. While he
was in custody being questioned, Kentried pretty hard to give into the detectives
and even the psychologists that he hadmultiple personalities and that he didn't kill anyone.
That was all Steve, two psychiatristswere fooled by Ken's display, but
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the detectives weren't buying it, sothey brought in their own expert, who
immediately saw through his ruse and contradictedhis two colleagues. Ken was given a
multitude of rigorous tests which concluded thathe was indeed faking multiple personalities. Now,
doctor Orne, the one who knewthat Ken was faking, was smart
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because he knew that it would beessentially his word against that of two of
his colleagues, who claimed that KennethBianci did in fact have multiple personalities and
would favor them. So, asdoctor Orn was packing up, he mentioned
to Ken that it was incredibly rareto find someone who had had only one
personality within his head. It wasfar more common to find subjects with three
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or more who was diagnosed with multiplepersonality disorder, and Ken, well,
he took the bait. A seconduninvited personality suddenly appeared that would share the
blame for the killings. Along withSteve, another independent expert, doctor Saul
Fairstein shared doctor Orn's skepticism. Sonow it's pretty much they called him on
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his bluff and Ken dropped the act. I mean, I mean, I
mean now in our current time,multiple personality disorder isn't really seen as something
that's a legitimate thing, sort ofa bad for a period of time.
It's less and less taken seriously.I suppose I don't really know much of
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it. I just know that's notthe diagnostic is not considered multiple personality.
It's dissociative identity disorder. So Neil, that's the most updated one right as
sanity hearing was held on October nineteenth, nineteen seventy nine, in Washington.
At the time, it looked likeJudge Jack Kurtz would order Kenneth to stand
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trial and face the death penalty ifhe lost, so prosecutors in both California
and Washington worked on creating a pleabargain that would cover the murder charges in
both states. If he accepted thedeal, he would plead guilty to some
of the crimes and escape the deathpenalty if he testified against his cousin Angelo.
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Ken took the deal, and ashe sat in court listening to the
accounts of rape, torture, andstrangulation that he confessed to. He cried.
He told the I can't found thewords to express the sorrow for what
I have done. In no waycan I take away the pain I have
given to others, and in noway can I expect forgiveness from others.
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So basically, yeah, absolutely so. He pleaded guilty to the Washington State
murders of Karen Mandick and Diane Wilderand was sentenced to two life terms in
Washington State. After the sentence,he was flown to la where he pleaded
guilty to five of the ten Hillsidestrangler murders and received a life term for
each murder and an additional term fora conspiracy to commit murder and an additional
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time un charges of sodomy. Becausehe testified against his cousin, he was
spared the gas chamber. In California, the multiple sentences were merged into one
life sentence with the possibility of parolein seven years and then every three years
thereafter. This means that Ken wouldspend up to thirty five years in California
prisons, and then we moved toWashington's Walla Walla prison for at least twenty
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five more years, forced two lifesentences in that state. Now, Angelo
did not go to jail until Kenhad made his deal in Washington because the
police had not uncovered enough circumstantial evidenceto convict Buono as a hillside strangler without
Ken's very detailed testimony. Detectives werekeeping a twenty four hour watch on Angelo,
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and the moment that Ken agreed tothe plea bargain, the cops got
word and pounced on him, whichkind of like blows my mind that they
didn't have enough circumstantial evidence at thetime. Once he was in prison,
Angelo was assigned to the Higher Power, which is a super security section reserved
for prisoners who are high risk fromother inmates. This includes informers or rapists
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whose victims were young. Angelo waspretty quiet while locked up here, but
when he was asked by a fellowinmate while he killed all those girls,
he said, there good. Theydeserved to die. It had to be
done. But I only killed acouple of them. I ain't worried my
cousin's going to do his little nutbag. So basically he was just counting
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on his cousin to act like afucking lunatic and get out of it all.
This, of course, was usedagainst him during the trial. Ken
tried all surprise, don't talk toanybody in high power. Yeah. Ken
tried all the different ways that hecould think of to get out of this.
He wrote his mother a letter towhich he claimed that a confession from
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the real Bellingham rapist strangler, andasked that she sent it to the Seattle
Times, but she refused and insteadtold her his lawyer about the letter.
Ken then tried to get an oldgirlfriend to be his alibi for the night
of the murders, and she originallywent wasn't until she later recanted her statement,
and then finally in nineteen eighty,he met his twenty three year old
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California woman named Veronica Compton and starteda love with love affair with her vmail.
Now. Veronica was a budding andwanted to be an actress, and
she was working on a play aboutserial killers. She desperately wanted to help
Ken, so she thought that ifshe could pick up a woman at the
bar and strangle her, it wouldprove that the Hillside strangler was still at
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large. Veronica failed and was arrestedand sentenced to life in prison that exact
things. It's been a plot pointin a lot of TV shows, like
I remember seeing that that idea atleast twice, Yeah, in various shows.
The preliminary hearing on Angelo Buono lastedfor ten months. Ken did his
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absolute best to muddy everything up bychanging his testimony, messing up details,
and drawing blanks on time periods.He wanted to remove himself as a reliable
witness, and it appeared as ifhe had succeeded. The district attorney,
who had originally set the deal withKen, moved to dismiss all ten murder
indictments against Angelo because with a pathologicalliar like Ken as a prime witness,
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the state could not proceed with asuccessful prosecution. Thankfully, the judge who
was proceeding over this was a toughand smart man who had argued cases before
the US Supreme Court. Superior CourtJudge Ronald M. George ripped into the
DA's office for suddenly concluding that theyhad no case after twenty two months of
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proceedings, where the DA had statedjust two months prior that the state had
quote more than sufficient evidence to showpresumption of guilt. End quote. So
another key thing of this court caseis that it went on for years.
It's noted for being one of thelongest in California history. The judge did
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not focus on Ken's lies and contradictions, but instead on the underlying consistency of
the confessions. No matter how cantry to muddy up his confessions, he
and his cousin were always the protagonists. So Judge George Stayden, the Court's
decision is that our legal system shouldbe permitted to run its normal course by
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appropriate submission of the issue of guiltor innocence to a jury selected from the
community, rather than leaving that issueto the disposition of the district attorney.
Motion deny. Oh, that's cute. It wasn't until the spring of nineteen
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eighty two that a jury of sevenwomen and five men were selected, and
these men and women would spend atotal of three hundred and forty five trial
days listening to a parade of threehundred and ninety two witnesses, spewing fourth
more than fifty six thousand pages oftestimony. Yes, that is right.
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That is two years in court.Yeah, Like I said, this is
one of the longest trials in California. Happens to your job, dude?
Yeah, Texes, Like, whatdo you think happens with that shit?
I don't fucking know. When Christmasrolls? Do you get to go to
Christmas? I don't know. WhenKen finally took the stand, he was
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witness number two hundred and it wasJune of nineteen eighty two. He remained
there as a witness for fifty fourcourt days. They warned the jury that
Ken was a known liar, butthat he had already confessed to the killings
on tape, to which they playedback the tape. They even took a
field trip to the dumping sites wherethe Stranglers had disposed of the bodies of
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young Dolores and Sonja. The prosecutioncontinued until they finally rested their case on
April twenty six, nineteen eighty three. The cross examination was brutal and carried
on for another six months, untilfinally, on October twenty first, nineteen
eighty three, the judge charged thejury to reach a verdict. They took
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nine days in which the jury phonedAngelo guilty of murdering Lauren Wagner. The
jury then retired considered the other ninevictims. Three days later, they returned
with a verdict of innocence in themurder of Yolanda Washington. This was because
they can not guilty, Yeah,they they This was because they concluded that
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Angelo was only guilty of driving thecar. It was Ken who had strangled
Yolanda. He's luck he's not inWisconsin. I think California does well,
but felon murder would apply. Iwould think, interesting, Yeah, are
you familiar. No, it's whereif you're a participant in a crime,
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that all the outcomes of that crimeyou're responsible for as well. Like let's
say you and me goo rob agas station and when we walked, we
got them in with the plar gunsand there's an old lady in there,
she has a hard tech and dies. We can both be charged with her
because we caused the situation that ledto her death. Or let's say the
guy behind the clerk pulls out agun and shoots you and kills you.
I can be charged with your murderbecause we precipitated the event which led to
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your death. Interesting, it's calledthe felony murder wood. Interesting, I
had no idea. Huh. That'swhy bank robbers like let's say the getaway
driver. Then let's say bank robberskill somebody. Getaway driver gets the same
sentence as the people that were insidethe bank. Yeah, that wouldn't make
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sense. I suppose for each victim, the jury deliberated Judy Miller guilty on
Sunday, November fifth, Dolores Zebraand Sonja Johnson guilty on Monday morning,
November seventh, Kimberly Martin guilty thatsame afternoon, Christina Weckler, Lisa Caston,
Jane Kin guilty, guilty, andguilty all on Wednesday, November ninth,
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and finally Cindy Hudspith guilty on Monday, November fourteenth. Angelo finally took
the stand just two days later.He was thinner and his hair was now
gray since he could no longer dietin prison. He was still the tough
guy that he personified, and whenasked what punishment he felt he should receive,
he muttered, my morals and myconstitutional rights has been broken. I
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ain't taking any procedure in this trial. I stand mute. I am standing
mute to anything further that God doesn'tknow his rights, constitutional process or grammar.
No, he's an idiot, yeah, for sure. Although the prosecutors
called for the death penalty, thejurors perhaps believed that he should not be
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punished more severely than can and settledon life in prison without the possibility of
parole. So on January fourth,nineteen eighty four, Judge George began the
sentencing. He started with Bianchi andsaid that he had lied too much to
have fulfilled his side of the pleabargain, and it was ruled that he
should be sent to the hardest possibletime and was moved to Washington Penitentiary at
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Walla Walla, where he is currentlyimprisoned. Having been denied parole in twenty
ten. He'll be up again intwenty twenty five. Angela Buno was imprisoned
at Calipatria State Prison and in nineteeneighty six married Christine Kazuka, a mother
of three and a supervisor at theCalifornia State Employment Department. I'm sorry,
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California State Development Department. Did Isay that right? California State Employment Development
Department. Jesus Christ three times.There you go. The judge was not
happy that the killers escaped the deathpenalty and instead got to spend their lives
in prison. Being housed, fed, and clothed at the taxpayer's expense,
being cared for more than some ofthe destitute law body members of the community
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got the death penalty. That wewould have wrecked up so much money,
and yeah, it would probably itwould be a wash either way. Yeah,
that's true. M Angelo died onSeptember twenty first night, two thousand
and seven, at the age ofsixty seven from a heart attack. He
was cremated. In two thousand andseven. His grandson, Christopher Buno,
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killed his grandmother, Mary Casilo byshooting her in the head, and then
later killed himself. Mary Casilo wasone of the was at one time married
to Angelo and had five children.He was unaware of his grandfather's true identity
until two thousand and five. SoI wonder if, like, he found
out who his grandpa was and thenit just kind of went not so er
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what or maybe he just I mean, mental illness does tend to run sure,
violent disposition, you know. Yeah, a lot of it depend on
your race. So yeah, that'svery true. I'm sure his kids,
I'm sure his kids weren't the raisedthe greatest and they probably passed that along
with their kids. Yeah, butthat, my dear friends, is the
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story of the Hillside Tranglers. Sonow we get to go to the astrology
bit, which I know, Iknow you're just so excited for Kyle.
It's gonna be gray. Oh mygod. So Kenneth Bianchi was born on
May twenty second, nineteen fifty one, in Rochester, New York. So
that means that his son signs ofGemini, his moon signs and Sagittarius.
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And at the time of his birthhe only had two planets in retrograde Saturn
and Neptune, so those don't havelike a whole lot of impact on him.
How his chart breaks down is hehas six masculine, four feminine,
four cardinal, two fixed, fourmutable signs three fire, two earth,
three air, and two waters.So between the signs, as far as
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these elements go, he's pretty balanced. The cardinal mutable stuff, he's pretty
balanced that way. He's more masculinein his signage than feminine. But you
know, a lot of the strawsdon't really pay a whole lot of attention
to that. I suppose for hisbirthday of May twenty six, it is
the birthday of the inventor. Accordingto the Encyclopedia, the greatest challenge for
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those born on this day is avoidingobsessive or controlling behavior, and the way
forward is to understand that the moreyou try to control people or situations,
the more they want to break free. And I feel like Kenneth was very
much a controlling person. He wantsto hit me. Why else do you
want to be a pimp? Imean, really, on the dark side,
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they are obsessive, touchy, manipulative, and at their best they're inventive,
productive, and tenacious. But typicallyby the age of thirty, these
people will have calmed down to learnto be less touchy when their concentration is
disturbed. The late thirties and beyondare also the years when they are most
likely to decide on what they wantto contribute to the world and back it
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up with action. Well, I'mcurious as to what he's contributing to the
world from his jail cell. Butyou know, maybe he's mellowed out now.
We can only hope he's adding methaneto the environment. Like cows.
Yeah, cows are useful. Yeah, prisoners not so much, it can
be, but some of them lessthan others. Yeah. Now with Angelo,
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Now, remember Angelo was almost hewas like over twenty years old.
He was twenty years older than Ken. So Angelo was born on October fifth,
nineteen thirty four in Rochester, NewYork. So this means that his
son's a Libra. So Gemini andLibra are both air signs, the third
one being an Aquarius, which ismy sign. Sun sign is like the
greater, like the greater personality.Your moon sign is like your emotional self,
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like how you deal with your feelingsand things like that. So his
moon sign was in Virgo, whichis an earth sign, so more grounded.
Sagittarius, which is Ken's moon sign. That's a fire sign, so
a little bit more hot headed.Angelo only has two planets in retrograde Saturn,
which was an equa areas, andthen You're honest, which was in
Taurus. Both of those were inretrograde. Now he has an even split
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with his masculine and feminine signs cardinals, four fixes for mutables too. Now
he's pretty weak on the fire.He has one fire sign, three earth
signs, four aero signs, andtwo water signs. So if you have
more of one element in your chart, you're lacking in other areas. You
can have like more of a fierypersonality, like because the fire signs are
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pretty loud and boisterous, more actionoriented. If you have a lot of
Earth signs in your chart, canbe more grounded, more stable. More
Aero signs would mean that you arevery intellectual, very communicative. So basically
the traits that the signs are knownfor go with the elements too, So
if you have more of the elementin your chart, you're more prone to
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show those traits. So water signsare more intuitive, more emotional, more
in touch with their feelings. Soif you have a very watery chart,
you're probably more sensitive and probably morein tune with your feelings or you can
easily pick up on the feelings ofothers. And both these guys we're not
very watery within their chart. Betweenthem, I would say they're more manipulative
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with a communicative disease. I meanbecause they're both air signs, so they
have more air within their chart.Angela's birthday of October fifth is the birthday
of the of dignified Altruism, Sogreatest challenge for those born on this day
is keeping a sense of perspective.The way forward is to understand that getting
carried away in your devotion to acause is counterproductive. Losing your perspective means
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losing your ability to make an effectivecontribution. Both Ken and Angelo will be
drawn towards each other, but theunion can be unstable at times, largely
because there will neverly be a division, probably through misunderstanding on romantic levels,
which may frustrate the partner. Soeven though obviously these two weren't romantic together,
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they did share a lot of thesame partners and stuff like that,
so I guess there was a littlebit of that perhaps between the two.
But we did see that as thethings progressed, the relationship between these two
did dissolve quite rapidly, to thepoint where Angelo got really fucking fed up
with Kennon even before it Ken movedto Washington, he told him to get
the fuck out of town. Anideal aspect for the couple as they will
(30:22):
have a lot of interests and projectsin common, right and they will understand
each other well. Ironically, thefunniest thing I've ever heard in my life.
There is a mental rapport that sometimesborder on telepathic, which is kind
of funny. But yeah, Iwould say they had some interests in common,
and they like to do some projectstogether, mainly picking up prostitutes and
(30:45):
killing them. Oh my god.Yeah, this union is that that is
particularly based on physical understanding and passionatelove. There's a lot of affection between
them and they need to wrest itphysically. So even though these two aren't
necessarily fucking each other, they're fuckingthe same people and uh and and killing
(31:07):
people. I think when you sayfuck, there's something that I don't like
about that because they were raping people. It's not the same thing. Okay,
yeah, okay, so when thesetwo people were raping each other,
they weren't. Okay, so whatI'm saying, But like Canna and Angela,
we're not fucking each other. Theywere raping the same person that people
(31:30):
their Their chart basically breaks down tothe fact that like, even though there's
like a lot of compatibility between thetwo, they will inevitably drive each other
apart with their communication styles being sodifferent. And Gemini is a sign that
of the twins and they're they're thebest communicators up of the zodiac and Libra
(31:52):
is the scale, so they likethings balanced, so you would so that
would make sense, Like overall,why they would be very compatible. It
is because they can communicate, theycan be balanced, they can you know,
find the equilibrium between the two.But I think in the end what
it boils down to is a hugeage gap between the two, with Angelo
being twenty years older than Can andCan kind of being rootless or rutless or
(32:13):
whatever and just looking up to thewrong idols and Angelo just being a fucking
piece of shit to begin with.So Can sextile, Jupiter and the lunar
node. They are made for eachother. They go well together, they
have intellectual understanding and confidencing each other, a harmonious couple. So yeah,
like I said, overall, itwas a very compatible charting between the two.
(32:37):
But I think when you go intolike this kind of relationship, whether
or not your family or related inthat regard, when you start hurting people
and killing people, it just addsa whole different layer, different flavor of
stress that inevitably will will break down. I would say that's probably I mean,
(32:58):
you'd hope that this type of situationcouldn't last, regardless of the reasons,
right, I see'd hope, Soyeah, that's very true. So
yeah, I think that's basically thatthat's it for the series. I got
nothing more to say on these two. Any last thoughts feelings are rare comments.
I don't wish ill of anybody,But if I woke up tomorrow and
(33:20):
read in the paper he's dead,I'd be all right with it, right.
Yeah, I'm just very curious because, like in the article I was
reading, they said that Walla Wallawas like the harder of the two prisons.
I'm just curious as to why thatis. But I don't know.
So, and he's still at WallaWalla according to the Wikipedia page that they
(33:43):
have on him. So AnyWho,may he never see another sunrise? To
that, may he get COVID nineteenand shit his pants, even though those
two things do not go hand inhand. Well, you know, definitely
not the worst thing could happen.Yeah. On that note, thank you
guys so much for listening to Murdersmy Signed podcast. Please be sure to
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(34:49):
you know, stay stay inside.Just if you don't have to go out,
don't go out during this time,and just also wash your hands and
sanitize everything. I really hope y'allare just taking really good care of yourselves.
Thank you guys so much for listeningand tune in next time when we
begin the April topic. And yeah, if you like this dialogue with Kyle
(35:09):
and I kind of talking back andforth, please let me know or if
you want me just go back tomyself just reading scripts. We know any
feedback's always appreciated and welcome. Otherthan that, also, if you guys
want to check out another podcast,I definitely want to recommend my good friend
Lucas Teetson. He has a podcastout called Blues News Media, and I'll
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be sure to leave a link inthe description box below. He is doing
like hot takes on current events andthings like that, and he's kind of
like an indie news reporter in thesense where he's kind of into the conspiracy
theories and stuff like that. Buthe's going to make you think, and
he's going to challenge you to thinkoutside the box and to do your own
research. And I've been listening toa lot of his podcasts over the last
(35:52):
couple of days, especially at worksince we've been closed to the public for
last week or so. So otherthan that, just make sure you guys
are taking care of yourself on eachother and until next time, rust in
peace. Every time you say that, I think about under Dagger.
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