How to Use the Energy Within You | Subtle Energies Supported by Science | Dr. Garret Yount

Garret Yount, PhD, is a Scientist at IONS where his research focuses on mapping the mind-gene interface. He is the author of the book, WHY VIBES MATTER. Dr. Yount has a long-standing interest in developing methods and technologies for bridging molecular neurobiology with aspects of consciousness. His doctoral thesis work in Stony Brook focused on deciphering molecular links between brain activity and the regulation of neuropeptide gene expression. To date, Dr. Yount has conducted carefully controlled laboratory experiments with spiritual healers and biofield practitioners from around the world, including China, Brazil, Canada, USA, Japan, India, Russia, Hungary, and Sri Lanka. https://noetic.org/

He has evaluated a variety of mental influence models, ranging from human brain cells in petri dishes receiving distant healing intention to hospitalized children experiencing Expressive Arts Therapy. Based on this experience, he has spoken nationally and co-authored peer-reviewed papers on the topic of establishing rigorous guidelines for research into biofields and micro-psychokinesis.

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However you are and whenever you are, Welcome good souls to Mystic Lounge.
I'm Alan B. Smith. You'regrateful host. Welcome back again for
another fantastic guest. Garrett Junt,PhD is joining me tonight and he's the
author of Why Vibes Matter. He'salso a scientist at the Institute of noad

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X Science, and he's been apast guest. He was so awesome we
had to have him back again.So I'm very excited to bring Garrett back
and tonight. If you have anyquestions in the chat, please jump in
share your thoughts and questions. We'regoing to be talking about, yes,
subtle energies, bigger energies, consciousnessand the perhaps super consciousness and the connection

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of all those things. It's awide breath that he covers in his book
Why Vibes Matter out and it's areally good read with some practical applications,
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now and on Instagram at power NormalNow. All right, and now we're

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gonna bring in our esteemed guest Garrett. Yeah, and hey, Garrett,
how are right? Welcome back,Thank you, glad to be back,
Thank you. Yeah. So thisis really I've really enjoyed reading the book,
almost completely finished it. I alwaystry to finish a book before an
interview, but the fact is thatI'm enjoying it so much I will continue
and I will finish of the book. So just from what I've read so

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so far, there's a lot tocover. So just can you give us
a quick introduction to the topic ofthe book and what you're focused on.
Yeah, So, vibes, asyou know, is widely used in popular
culture to mean a lot of differentthings. So the first thing in the
book is just to set up someparameters. Say, I talk about three

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types of vibes, conscious vibes,subconscious vibes, and superconscious vibes, and
the book really focuses on the onthe latter two. So you know,
conscious vibes are the ones. It'sa felt sense that you get based on
information coming into your senses. Younotice it, you consciously notice it,
your conscious mind is aware of it. Sure, So that's like you know,

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you're smiling trying to put out avibe or you know, a rustic
vibe theme at a wedding where thedecor kind of sets the stage and people
get the feeling of you know,happy, hature, care free stuff.
So it's all cool, very influentialon us. But the book kind of
focuses more on kind of the hiddenpsychology side, so the subconscious vibs which

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come through subconscious mind, and thenas you mentioned, the super conscious vibes,
and yeah, the biochemistry side aswell. Yeah you talk about a
lot. Yeah, yeah, Sothere's this kind of a guide to that
to understanding the vibes and when you'refeeling them, get a better sense of
what where they might be coming from. And then as you mentioned, there's
just techniques to kind of influence themin your body and kind of raise the

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frequency of your vibes. Of course, well, vibes isn't really a scientific
word though, it's not a veryscientific are you Are you approaching vibes scientifically?
Well, I do research on spiritualhealing, energy healing, you know,
remote healing, and I believe thatfits into the category of the superconscious

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vibes. So, you know,in terms of vibration, that is a
very scientific term because basically, vibrationis the basis of all reality. You
know, our our body is vibrating, every everything is vibrating. Belower level
of perceptions. So yeah, youkind of took a you know, light

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scientific look at at how you mightthink of distant healing from a from a
vibes perspective. And again, thesesubconscious vibes you mentioned biochemistry, So this
is a vib rations of for example, odorless chemicals coming into your You're you're
picking them up, that's caught youknow, at the molecular level. It
is a vibration. But of coursewe're talking about the felt sense of you

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know, person's perception of vibes.Well, let's go to the fundamental.
So can you explain really the natureof energy and matter because because it because
it is all about vibration, rightor waves? Can you explain that because
that because that really has gives usthe fundamental understanding of everything else that you're

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you'll talk about. Yeah, I'llgive it a try. The idea that
vibrations underlie all of reality is soyou just think about the atom, So
the atoms, you know, theatoms making of that little book, right,
and you're holding the book in yourhand. We think that we're holding
it. Actually it's the repelling natureof the electrons and the way they're vibrating.

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So chriss is way below our abilityto perceive it. So the idea
that vibrations can influence the body isquite straightforward because we are made up of
vibrations and so sound as vibrations.Yeah, I'm not a physicist. I

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just tried to establish that we knowvibrations underlie our reality. But then we
are these bodies walking around and wehave our mind experiencing things. And again,
if the language of it is difficultbecause of the you know, I
want to lean into how folks douse the word vibes and really talk that

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way in the book. So thekind of the hard physics part of it,
I just reference some of the physicistsin the beginning of the book to
kind of, you know, hoistthat off on them. Oh yeah,
that's that's what references are good for, right, references and citations. But
okay, So, so if thenature reality is is our waves essentially like

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to the smallest level that we thatwe understand, how how do how does
that connect to what our brain iscapable of? M Well, you know,
of course, our brain is justwet ware that's operating on these waves,

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and there's so many different scales ofit. So the peptides hitting a
receptor changing the vibration of that receptor. But then it builds on systems,
networks of information processing. You know, I certainly can't explain how where consciousness
arises and all of that. Ipersonally would say it's not you know,

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necessarily linked to that that certainly interacts. Yeah, this is a little bit
above my pay grade to explain allthat. Alan, Well, you do
talk about the sort of psychic connection, right, you know, you have
that sort of ven diagram of asuper consciousness, and then you have,

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you know, two people within thatfield of super consciousness, two minds,
and then their minds that you know, they have a field that reach out
to a certain amount where they kindof overlap, and in that overlap is
where the you know, subconsciously theycan connect to each other. I would

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imagine, you know, that's notpossible unless we are manipulating energy right to
do that, and so so there'sa so that that's that though that energy
is waves, and if the foundationof reality are waves, right, then

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then you're psychic ability seems to meto be innate natural to consciousness. But
that's that's starting with the presumption thatthe universe has a super consciousness. Yeah,
yeah, absolutely, starting with that. And then basically the idea is

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then our mind builds up this artificialseparation or reseparate ourselves apart from others.
And so that's why some of thesethings seem kind of miraculous and difficult to
obtain, because it's useful for usto be separate from folks, you know,
we need to do that in orderto achieve certain things. But what

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I kind of talk about a bitin the book is we don't have to
stay there all the time. Youknow, that's kind of a useful thing.
And if you can allow reach statesof mind where you allow the divisions
to dissolve away, this is thatthat's interconnected with everything mind. That's the
super conscious mind. And I givesome references in the book about people to

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talk about that intelligence intelligently. Well, you definitely write about it intelligently.
These pictures, I you know,I like those pictures. I'm glad the
publishers let me keep pictures and illustrationsalways help, Yeah, always welcome.
Uh so what excites you about aboutall this? Like why why do you

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even care to investigate whether we cancommunicate with each other energetically in it in
anyway? Yeah? Well, youknow, personally, I as a kid,
I had experiences of what could becalled clairvoyance, and so I just
became fascinated. Was like, whatis you know, the way that people

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were talking about mine and reality isnot doesn't seem to explain everything I was
feeling. So I just became obsessedwith it as a kid, reading everything
a ton of Eastern philosophy and thenget into the science, you know,
my PhDs in my lectropology, soI wanted to link that continue to do

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personal practices and have kind of moretranspersonal experiences. So it's really based,
i'd say, initially on my personalexperiences and curiosity about what reality, you
know, what is really going on, you know, And then as I
became a professional and think about howI'm going to do good in the world,

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you get some museums out of myPhD is uh, you know,
try to have an influence to killpeople's vibes down, you know. I
think I think we could use someof that. I have more more healthy
people and you know, more peacefulsociety. Yeah, I agree. You
had an experience when you were youngerwhere your father had kind of a psychic

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and intuition. Can you tell usabout that. I was at a dance.
This is before cell phones, andyou know, it was a long
time ago. But I was ata dance and I asked this girl to
dance, and I heard that hershe had broken up with the guy,
you know, so I thought itwas fair, but apparently he still decided
he was gonna beat me up,and so I was scared. I was

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really run and scared, and youknow, my dad had this really intense
feeling that something was wrong, whichwas unusual. I got home, you
know, I got home laid Iwas hoping to sneak in, figure everybody
would be asleep. But he wasright there, just like waiting for me,
like are you okay? What's goingon? And you know, I

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lied said now nothing had happened.But you know, I would never forget
that. I was like, Wow, I really think that he could feel
my my distress. You know,this could be explained by other things,
but for me, it was kindof an impactful and I'll never forget that.
So he but he he didn't justwait up for you. He he

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thought that something was wrong, right, wasn't. Yeah, he was convinced
something was wrong. He wanted toyou know, he was isn't know what
to do. He was fretting,very concerned, and you know, it
really was the first time in mylife I had ever been been threatened physically,
So it was a new experience forme. This guy was big,

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so I definitely was feeling real fearthat like I had never before. Yeah,
is that A lot of what youright about has to do with how
we treat each other and kindness andthat sort of thing. Does that come
from your your own personal experiences.You're emphasis on that, yeah, to

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some extent, although there's it wascool to find, you know, somewhat
before writing the book and then writingthe book, trying to find good,
you know, the coolest research tosupport the ideas. You know, some
some good research on kindness. Forexample, the loving Kindness meditation technique that's

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in the book. It's a researchon that. It's also just a fan
favorite. I mean, people lovethat technique. Sometimes it's hard for me
to describe that technique without just likebecoming overwhelmed with emotion. It's really it's
a really good one. Why whydo they become overwhelmed with emotion? M

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hm? Wow? Why? Whywhy do so many of us struggle with
that? Yeah? Yeah, Idon't know. I don't know. You
just have the solutions. Yeah,I just know the way out. I
just get me out of this place. Yeah. Yeah. So one of

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the things you talk about was theEFT technique wreek. It's like kind of
self self applied acupuncture, which Ithought was interesting. Can you tell us
a little bit about about that andyou know, the efficacy of it.
Yeah, that's one of the thingswith with the most scientific research behind it
like you say, it's it's aself admitted actu pressure and it's combined with

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cognitive behavioral therapy techniques, so itlooks like it's not. It's easy to
do because you're tapping and it feelsgood to tap. So there are these
points. You can do the wholekind of multiple points. There's a diagram
in the book, or you canjust do, you know, single points.
You can just do the crowd choppoint right here and just do that.

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And what you do while you're doingthat in your mind, you just
you know, just silently to yourselfsay these affirmations like similar to like even
though I'm feeling stressed about the situation, I accept myself fully, you know,
and you're kind of lulling your selfhypnotizing yourself a bit. And the

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theory is that the stimulation of theseaccupressure points of course link into the subtle
energy body, but there's research thatit influences the amigdala and kind of undoes
these circuits of stress that are builtin kind of releases it. And then
when you kind of have this selfsoothing during it, you can reframe your

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your stuck feelings about certain things andit's it's remarkably effective just in terms of
people's reactions. This is this isone of the few techniques in the book
that I've actually done research on.I've collaborated with Dawson Church, who's one
of the pre eminent EFT practitioners,a great guy, and collaborated with him

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working with folks with PTSD, includingveterans, looking at it from the reduced
anxiety and depression. And also wedid some some work on looking at gene
expression changes, so seeing that atthe level of the of the body,
very very cool research measurable changes.Yeah, right, and that's the key

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thing here, and I think thatthat's what ions is obviously all about.
It's not just I'm writing research paper, you know, something topic I'm interested
in. It's not journalistic, it'sactual science. And it seems to me
maybe I'm wrong, but do youdo you you mostly put forth hypothesis or
theories that have some measurable data behindit. Sure, or we were looking

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for that looking for it, Yeah, and so and we if we if
we find negative data, we publishedthat. We find a positive data,
we published that. So how doyou know where to what is worth starting?
Where's the starting point where you say, oh that that's interesting. There's
not you know, evidence to proveanything yet, but that's there's enough circumstantial
evidence. How do you know where'sthat threshold? We go, okay,

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we can invest our time and moneyand yeah, yeah, yeah, Well
it does begin with anecdotes, Socircumstantial or anecdote, you know, people
having experiences, and you know,to be honest, often it's experiences that
we share. So you know,each of we have a small group of
scientists, and you know, ifwe have a particular personal experience with something.

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For example, our research director,doctor Helene Wabe, has experience with
channeling, and so in addition toher personal experience, there's all this amazing
anecdotal stories about channeling, and soshe put together a research program to test
hypotheses and systematically look for support.So I'd say that's it's a combination of

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personal interest. Sometimes there's a call, you know, a foundation will put
out a call for research and acertain topic and so you know, just
to be clear, we don't we'renot investing our own money in it.
We've got to raise the money todo it. And so sometimes it's directed
by the foundations are looking to supportresearch in a certain area. Okay,

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if you if you could choose anyarea, is this it is this is
this your this is your jam.Oh yeah, that's They're gonna be a
long time ago here. I lovemy job. I just you just finished.
I think the first time I wason I was talking about the pilot
study we did with lucid dreaming.We're talking about dreaming exactly. Yeah,

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and so since then I've done areplication of that with with you know,
randomized control design. We're just sgearing up a gut telepathy experiment. So
looking at telepathy, bud. Insteadof using the mind to be you know,
our person thinking about receiving it,we're looking at the gut, the

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enteric nervous system. Yeah. SoI thought this is really really interesting because
instead of electrodes on the brain onthe skull, you know, to measure
brain activity. Is what you're saying, is you're measuring the the the gut.
So the brain is the EEG right, electro inside philogram and the gut

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brain that we're measuring it's called eggso electro gastrogram, and it is measuring
the activity of the gut. Isit the same thing you put the electrodes
on there. You put the electrodeson there, make swiggly lines on the
machine, and you know that thisis a replication and extension of work that

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Dean Rayden, are chief scientists,had done with Marylyn Schlitz back in twenty
fifteen. So they did a pilotstudy who got some pretty cool results.
And the idea was that as weall know the mind, you know,
there's the racing thoughts and they're like, okay, well if it was a
two times in a row, mustbe b next time. You know,
you start to override what might beyour instinctual feelings. So the idea is

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that maybe the gut is going tobe a little bit more clear. So
that's I can't tell you that tweakswe're doing on the design because some of
the folks that come in, youknow, we got some secret sauce going
on that I want to give awayuntil until we have our participant in.
Okay, Yeah, I understand that, because isn't it better to go into

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a study blind anyway, or asblind as you guys need them to be.
Yeah, I mean they need toknow what's going to happen enough so
that they can consent and know thatthey're going to feel comfortable there. So
for example, in this one,you know, the advertisement has got to
say, you know, you haveto be comfortable with somebody touching your belly,

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you know, and not everybody's goingto be comfortable with that. So
those types of things that are reallygoing to matter to them, we need
to tell them. But the exactnature of what kind of stimuli we're going
to give to the sender. Sofolks will come into the lab and pairs
bonded pairs, and they'll exchange somethingspecial like a ring that they can hold

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just to kind of increase their connection, and they'll go into separate rooms,
and then the sender, who's goingto be trying to, you know,
send the vibes, will be presentingthe sender with certain types of stimuli and
that we weren't going to tell themabout ahead of time, just so that
it's fresh for them. Uh SoI have to ask about this because it's

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a term that I had never Idon't I don't recall reading about before.
But scope aesthesia, oh, scopesthesia. Yeah, this is really really interesting
because I I didn't know that therewere studies done on this and it's fascinating
because these studies didn't just give upat the start, right right, right,

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because because initially it's like, Okay, a person gets a sense that
someone might be staring at them.That's what this means. Someone that they
don't see in their in their peripheralvision or you know, you know vision,
yea. They just get a feeling, Oh, someone's looking at me.
That's scope aesthesia. And the initialstudy was something like, you know,

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well, why don't you explain thisstudy? Because yeah, I was
surprised. It was so much fun. So I knew about scope ofthesia,
or the feeling that someone's staring atyou, because some of the you know,
one of the ions fellows, RupertSheldrake, very famous dude, sure
yeah, resonance more yeah, yeah, So she studied this, and again
Maryland Schlitz had studied a bit,so I knew that there was research on

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it. But so I wanted toput it in the book. So I
looked, and then I found ahundred years ago, this has been studied
and published in like the top tierper reviewed science journals. So a hundred
years ago, like you say,it was studied with in lecture halls.
So everybody's sitting facing the front,and that feeling of someone looking at you

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and people turn around and you seethem looking at you. So but studies
back and forth, and you know, the the counter argument to it being
something about subtle vibes or energy.The counter argument, you know, makes
makes a certain amount of sense,which is just as humans were naturally villagant
about kind of anybody coming attacking usfrom behind, so there's a already a

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vigilance about behind. Then you're sittingin a you know, you're stuck in
this chair with people behind you fora long period of time, and it
might just build up this nervous energythat's kind of again subconscious, like you
know, you're thinking about it,but you're like, it might just be
coming up and union it's like turnto check. And importantly, and this

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makes sense, it takes longer foryou to turn your head and look than
it does for somebody behind you tojust avert their gaze from the professor to
you, because they noticed this movementhappening in front of them. So it's
really plausible explanation for why people wouldmistakenly think that they turned around and someone's

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looking and that meant something you know. Yeah, like you're on a bus,
someone sitting across the way, you'relooking out the window, and then
you get a vibe, so youturned your left to look and then by
the time you look, that personturned to look at you because they sensed
your motion. Initially, yeah,and then from your from your vantage point,

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it seemed like, oh, thisperson's looking at me. That's must
be why I got that feeling exactly. So is that the end of the
story. That's not the end ofthe story. That's just the one side
of the story which makes it reallycompelling. So there's been multiple factions weighing
in on this, And of courseI'll highlight Rupert shout track because he's one
of our clan. But he's doneand very recently. You know, you

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can you can test that type ofthing, right, So he's got people
looking through a windows, so there'sno sound and no basically kind of like
the guy want was it a Faradaycage too kind of a thing? Or
No, I don't think that onewas in a Faraday cage. I think
that was just eliminating the possibility ofsound or kind of other you know,

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sensory choosed and and just you know, doing it repeat you did leave repeatedly
with randomized you know, kind ofvery rigorously and came up with whopping the
significant results in terms of like wayoutside of chance that the person who is
saying is someone staring at me nowor is someone not staring at me now?
So there's no turning to try toyou know, capture it, just
their impression, So that eliminates themain problem. And then I'll just say

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that, I know he published thatand then multiple labs in different countries repeated
it and found found supporting data.So and some of the data where you
get replicable data in this field,so it's pretty exciting. Yeah, and
some of the data was actually better. Yeah, and in favor of what
there's a psychic ability of some sort. Yeah, that there's some kind of

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psychic ability or subconscious vibe going onthere that you know, we really can't
explain without provoking some type of energyvibe that trans you know, that that
transcribes or you know, can gothrough through ace and influence another precede by

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another at least. Yeah. Actually, we've got a really great question from
Charles Smart. He says, doesscubasthesia work with remote cameras or has that
been studied? Yeah, that hasbeen studied. And that's again I think
Dean Raid and Marylyn Schlitz set upthe studies and that might what you might
have remembered that alan because that wasdone in a big Faraday cage. So

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the receiver, the person that's that'syou know, seeing if you ask this
person to someone staring at you,is in basically it's a steel room that
blocks out electromagnetic most EMF fields,and then they have a closed circuit camera,
you know, looking at the personthere, and then the sender,

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the person that's the starer, islooking at into the monitor. But a
computer is presenting the image of thelive receiver in a random order and according
to you know, so that's notbeing controlled by the experimenter or by the
sender. So that's another kind ofelaborate way. And yeah, those positive

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results came out of that as well. Now there was that's what the most
that was one where another study didit and found negative results, and so
then they did a study together.And you know, it's a it's a
it's a saga that one okay saga. So in my experience when discussing the
paranormal or UFOs alien abduction. Tome, it all comes down to probability.

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So when you're taking all of thosestudies together, you know, is
it more probable when you look atall of them collectively not individually, Is
it more probable that there's a psychicability occurring or some other mundane or unknown.

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Yeah, so I would say it'smore probable that it is not on
the mundane based on facework. Now, I don't think there's been a I'm
not sure there's been a formal meadowanalysis. Combine them all, but you
have to remember that the incremental changesin the design, you can't really combine
those because if you if you eliminatethe turning your head thing, then you
just have to forget. You can'tcombine that research with the research that you

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know was done before on it.Yeah, you know, let me ask
you about this. So to me, that sounds like a really good example
of what a debunker would use inan argument, and then they would just
be like that's the end of thestory, to say, oh, yeah,
they just it's just the natural feelingthat people have and there was a
coincidence that someone looked at them whenthey turn their head end of story.

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Is that would you put that inthe category of debunking or is that actually
something else? Like what's what's goingon with the person who ends this?
Ends there? They don't push furtherand challenge the the the presumption for you
know, more so for hypothesis.Yeah, I don't think that rises to
the level of debunking. I thinkthat's just you know, some people have

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a belief system and you can andit's it's been documented. You can just
say nothing. You can show menothing that will change my mind like I
do, and you show me data. I don't care. It just won't
change my mind. And so sobasically confirmation bias works on scientists too.
Oh yeah, yeah, you knowsome for sure. All right, and

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what about you, do you haveany unconscious Uh well, I guess it
would be conscious at this point.But do you have any biases that you
know that influence your own work?Mmmm? For sure. You know,
as I say, I do believethat there is a super conscious mind,
and so I don't have anything toprove that it does direct how I design

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experiments. So that's, you know, pretty much the best we can do.
I don't think any scientists can claimthat they don't have their own beliefs
that informs the way they approach science. So the best you can do is
just be transparent about it, andyou know, you got your design,
you present it to a group ofpeers. They of course have got to

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come back with some criticisms, sothey look smart to the editors, and
you kind of hash it out who'smaking who's making sense? So yeah,
I think that's I think, andmy biases are based on these personal experiences,
and I fully admit that I couldbe be deceiving myself, you know
that. You know, there's othermore personal experiences than you know. You

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know, the one with my dadfeeling that I was in trouble was just
like a strong emotional one and helpedme make a point of the book.
But there are others that are moremore difficult to pass off as as really
nothing or just the level of synchronicityis compelling to me. However, it's

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not scientifically compelling. You know,you could say, in an infinite universe,
anything can happened, so who knowswhat made that happen? Right?
And biases, you know, oftencome from emotional places and probably probably probably
always do. I don't know,but it seems to me that that's that's
where a bias would come from.It's a you know, a defect in

(32:34):
the emotional intelligence. That's or youknow, some experience and imprinted something upon
the subconscious mind and you know,rational thinking doesn't typically doesn't do that right.
It has to be like an emotionalimpression. But the emotion it can
actually play in your favor maybe kindof sort of. So in the book

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there you're talking about how you becauseyou were studying cancer cells. Yeah,
right, and then they were doingthis experiment regarding cancer cells. Can you
tell us about that? Because Ithought this was one of the coolest stories
in the book. I think you'retalking about the story about kind of the

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conditioned space. So I have beendoing I've been doing research with chigong masters,
trying to replicate studies that have beenpublished out of China where these spiritual
healers were able to not only influencefolks with cancer, but they were able
to influence cancer cells and petri dishes. And so I was setting this up
in my lab in San Francisco withvery cool with chegoing masters, you know,

(33:46):
thirteen years in a monastery and almeMountain and coming out to spread you
know, I just we had accessto like incredible people that were very inspiring.
People are just the kind of personyou wanted to emulate. But results
weren't weren't turning out the way thatyou know, we wanted. You know,
obviously I wasn't unbiased. I wantedto get the results. I wanted

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to see the cancer sales change.So we weren't getting it. And so
I was presenting at a conference alongwith some you know a very very small
group of people that are doing thistype of subtle energy research, and I'm
the only one presenting native results.So I was getting kind of harangued.
And the main one was main onegiving me trouble was William Tiller from Standard

(34:31):
University. He's also kind of abeacon of of a scientific you know,
major scientists that's studying this type ofthing, particularly conditioned space, the idea
that vibes could change the local physicsof a place. And so he was
like, you're it's not getting resultsbecause your lab has got bad vibes in

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it. It's all dirty vibes.Because I was doing cancer research, you
know, my day job was studytherapies and radiation, so I was delivering,
you know, the lethal doses ofradiation to cancer cell, so dumping
chemotherapy on them day and night allthe time. And then I'd bring the
healers in on the weekend and say, oh, can you you know,
influency the cancer cells. So hewas like, you got to do it

(35:15):
in a place where the vibes areconditioned and you don't have all these bad
vibes that are squashing these subtle energies. So I long story short, I
got Dean Raid and said I coulduse that box that we mentioned, the
big Faraday cage, the big steelroom that had never seen any healers,
no Petri dishes, no cancer cells. It was like a clean slate.

(35:38):
The idea is that we'd do Hesaid, you can have it all weekend.
I'm going out of town. SoI thought we'd do cell experiment Friday,
Saturday, Sunday. Yeah, andthe first experiment would be when it
was blank, it had never seena healer. And then by then these
five healers went in. These wereJoe Ray practitioners. This is a Japanese

(35:59):
style of cheek, just to sayit simply. They went in there,
chanted and healed and prayed and putup things, and they basically conditioned that
space as intensity as they could,hours and hours of it, and Saturday
we did just cell culture experiment tryingto influence our cells, and then Sunday,
and the hypothesis was that with allthis conditioning, it would work on

(36:19):
Sunday, and it did okay,So this was fantastic in and of itself.
Of course, it's just a smallstudy. There were I think an
end of six six Petrie dishes.But Dean hadn't told us that he left
these random number generators inside the boxand outside the box the still room to
witness it. With his hypothesis wasthat if we were conditioning the space in

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there, the coherence of mind wouldinfluence those machines which are meant to make
random number nators random numbers, andthey're they're designed to be very good at
that. You know, they usedat casinos and places that need to have
truly random numbers. And so hismachines also became less random, some more

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coherent on Sunday. So he wassuper excited. It's first time like a
biological target and a mechanical target werelooked at at the same time with this
kind of a condition space experiment.So it was fantastic. I think that,
you know, people reading the bookmight be like, Okay, but
you know, I'm not a Joeright practitioner. I'm not going to have
hours to healing everything. But Ithink kind of the messages at least there's

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an indication it's possible to scientifically verifychanges in the you know, the local
physics of a place. The randomgenerator inside was that was that effective?
It was, and so was theone outside. It was as if it
didn't rest whether it was in thebox or outside the box or really close.
And you know, Dean will talkabout the entanglement of them in terms

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of they were you know, it'sall part of one kind of conceptual container.
Yeah. But the interesting thing thatI remember reading was that there was
this idea that you're you're having arelationship with with being handling these brain cancer
cells. Oh that one would alsomeans that you could send positive vibes and

(38:15):
effect the cells. Yeah yeah,yeah, oh that one. Yes,
Sorry, that's why you mentioned emotionalthing. Yeah yeah, yeah, this
was yeah, this is yeah,definitely my favorite story as well. Some
of the you know, your listenersmight know of Cleve Baxter. He was

(38:36):
written his work was written about inone of the books was The Secret Life
of Plants. Yeah nineteen eighty nine. Yeah yeah, very cool guy.
Originally a well, always a polygrapha Lie detector test technician. He taught
at this you know CIA, youknow, top level Lie detector tests called

(38:59):
polygraph and I guess for fun,he hooked up his plant at some point
and started to notice that the plantwould react to certain things that didn't like
the mailman and very cool stuff likethat book. The books a lot of
fun. But anyway, he wasdown to San Diego, one of the
you know there was I was askedto be the cell guy because they wanted

(39:21):
this. Uh Fred Ciche was theguy that organized this take us down.
Wanted to took a psychic from here, the San Francico Ciscope area, John
Clemo, real character, and we'regoing to go down and see if John
Clemo could psychically influence these cancer cells. Put him in Cleve baxters set up
with the electrodes and see if itcould get the reaction. So we get

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down there and I'm setting up thecells. I've got to spin them and
you know, prepare them and cleave. Baxter is just kind of chatting with
me while I'm doing it, andhe realizes that I've been these are cells
I did my PhD on so I'vebeen feeding them and you know, when
they get too thick, I spinthem. I basically tear care of them

(40:05):
like a plant or you're you're propagating. I'm propagating them. Yeah, right,
for study, for study, fordoing all this chemotherapy studies. And
he was like, hold on aminute. These cells think that you are
their daddy because you've been taking careof them those all this time. Forget
about the psychic. They have anemotional connection with you. It's a weird.
It's a weird thought to think thatit is weird. Can't cancer cells?

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Right? It is? And Ido you know, I'm I'm a
little bit weird to begin with.So I would I always do start of
an experiment, say a little prayerto the human that the cancer cells came
from, you know, thank themand consider them part of it. So
he's like, you gotta connect,and i'd have any idea what to do.
This is out of nowhere. SoI did do the connection to the

(40:50):
to the to the donor who's passedon and did my you know, a
little cheegung meditation to kind of getmy vibes, you know, juiced up
maybe one minute and I looked acrossthe room and those guys their jaws had
dropped. I went over the thing. It looked like I was measuring on
earthquake. You know. It waslike off the charts, and a sub

(41:13):
story of this which I really like. I can't remember if I don't think
I included it in the book,but I almost fainted. I mean I
literally had a vasovago response looking atthat. And that's when I realized this
concept of fear of sigh, whichI would love to you know, dive
into at some point, the fearof sigh. So you know, I

(41:34):
can go off of this, butI was sure. I never I don't
have fear of sigh. You know. I tried to open up my third
eye. I talked my wife intogiving me actually puncture in my third eye.
I wanted to see or as youknow, already experienced. I wanted
to expand it. I felt likeI had no fear of sigh, But
in that moment, I realized thatthere is at least some real residual fear
of sigh in me because it wassuch a dramatic reaction to something that I

(41:59):
just I didn't think that this wouldwork, and it was so black and
white in my face that some partof me was a little bit overwhelmed,
and I had this vase of wagingresponse. I had to sit down really
literally almost faded. So very lefta huge impression on me. And yeah,

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there was That's some one of myfunnest stories as well. Okay,
so what's fear of SI? Yeah, fear of SI is subconscious fear of
our you know, our ability,our full abilities as humans are full extended
capacity. So I mentioned before abouthow it's useful to consider ourselves separate from

(42:42):
the world. We are this entityseparate, and that's obviously useful, and
there's certain states of mine and meditationsand psilocybin and ayahuasca where people can dissolve
that that division and feel connected witheverything and those really awesome vibes super conscious
lives well, because it dissolves theego, and so you're that that that

(43:07):
wall you might normally put up dissipatesand you're just kind of confronted with the
psychic realm. Yeah, all thatis and you know, as you know,
the ego is a has a job. It's a great job, you
know, and we need the egoto do that to protect us, to
get us and things. But whenthe ego in that case, you know,
maybe that's the source of it.I'm not sure it would be a

(43:29):
likely culprit to be like, hey, wait a minute, I'm in control,
you know. I now I haveno control. I don't I'm not
able to control anything because we're actuallyinterconnected with everything and if if there's if
there's no division, then the egocan really kind of carve it out and
control it. Maybe that's one reasonwhy I was introduced to this term when
I first came to San Francisco.I joined the Paris Psychology Research Group of

(43:52):
San Francisco. Is it is itakin to fear of our own subconscious?
I think it is definitely akin tothat. I would, you know,
based on the lingo in the book, I would say it's it's more accurately
a fear of our super consciousness.M okay, So then why why be

(44:15):
afraid of that? See that thesubconscious is something people are afraid of,
and I think this is why peoplewill go spend hours commuting to go to
a church and go to mass andcome back home and get dressed when and
they could spend fifteen minutes at homemeditating, connecting to divine or whatever,

(44:40):
but they don't. Yeah, AndI think it's a fear of what bubbles
up in the subconscious. I thinkthat's what scares a lot of people.
And so if that's the case,then what is there to be afraid of
the super conscious? Because I mean, I can't imagine what would be threatening

(45:00):
to one's ego or just everyday functioning. So think about the ego. It's
it's job of basically making me asan individual, succeed against you know,
all the competition, and if there'sno division between me and you, then

(45:21):
the ego can't do his job.So I think it's the most profound threat
to the ego there is. Thenyou can still have subconscious fears, but
the ego can think, oh,you know, that's my issue. Whatever,
I'll do some I'll go get absolvedat church or do something, and
I can still control it. Butonce you go to the sub superconscious realm,
the ego it's literally useless. Youwalk away from that altered state that

(45:49):
the super conscious as feeling it's uselessor life itself is useless. I think
I think when you're in the experience, yea, then the ego is useless
because it can't control and direct eventsso that you as an individual are successfully
competing with others because you are connectedto the others at this point. But

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isn't that counter to what the mysticswould tell you? When did they tell
you? Well, I mean they'reall trying to get us to connect to
the divine right. I mean,that's that's you have a vision, you
connect to spirit, whatever that mightbe. For for Saint Francis, it
might be you know, Jehovah,and you know, it depends on where

(46:34):
you're coming from. Me it couldbe Krishna. Whatever that the consciousness that's
coming through that people mystics have thathave a come back with a message and
they try to share that with withpeople. Yeah, but they wouldn't do
that if they thought it was useless. Right, No, No, I'm
I'm just saying that. I'm justspeaking from the perspective of the ego,

(46:57):
which I'm defining as just a functionalthe mind that is useful for certain tasks,
but it's not a fundamental aspect ofour mind. It's it's a it's
a small fraction of our mind.So I think it's consistent. You know,
the mystics and these practices to dissolvedivision and experience interconnected with everything are

(47:22):
really really good for us, andthere's evidence that it's good for us our
health, for one thing. Andthe ego is just it's just a tool
that's there. And you know,you know, I just remember one,
you know, great yoga teacher,just say okay, just say hold on,
you know, you can just stayright over there, just pozz a

(47:43):
little bit and just going to takea break. But don't worry. I'm
going to be back. You know, you can, you can resume your
control, but it's okay, justtake a little break. So I just
you know, I'm just saying fromit's perspective, I'm just trying to come
up with a theory of fear ofPSI. So it's almost from the ego.
Yeah. So it's almost like ifwe were to go back in time,

(48:05):
you know, a few thousand yearsand hand someone a CD and I
look at it and look, wow, I look at those colors. Wow,
this is really cool. But Idon't know to do with this,
you know, like I'll hang iton my wall maybe, Yeah, And
I think maybe that's what it is, right, Maybe maybe there's there's something
that's there that's so big. Yeah, we just don't know what to do
with it. And so what you'resaying is it's like, well, since

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I don't know what to do withit, I am I'm I'm uninterested,
or I'm I don't. I justdon't know where the fear part comes in.
I guess yeah, of that.Yeah, Well, like I said,
I was perplexed because I didn't thinkI had any fear, and I
only believe there is because of thatreaction. That physical reaction is the reaction
of the company's fear. Is itover being overwhelmed? I think I think

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it could be that could be anothersource, just simply being overwhelmed with the
enormity of reality. Is we're completelyconnected, and that really breaks down a
lot of the things you do andthink and aspire to in life. So
that could just be it this crushingof these you know, the way you
think reality is. But I justthink from you know, this is all

(49:14):
just you know, it's coming upwith ideas. But if it was the
ego, the egos job is isbasically it's rendered ineffective for that period of
time. So it's experiencing as faras the ego is able to influence the
body, which we know it canyou know, you know, we can

(49:35):
talk more about that. So justthis, you know, one potential explanation
for where that fear would come simplyfrom that part of the you know,
the ego part of the mind that'ssaying, Hey, I wanted to be
in control and whenever you when you'rein this state and realizing that we're all
interconnected. So I'm not able todo my job the way I wanted.

(49:55):
So it's this is bad, It'sfunny. How So okay, so the
is this the sie fear, fearof sidear of side, sar of side?
Is that the say, is thatsimilar to actually like fear of ghosts
and the paranormal? Yeah? Yeah, definitely is there something to be afraid
of? I don't think so,I mean, I don't, I don't

(50:21):
don't. Yeah, I think thatthe more we can experience interconnected with with
every interconnectedness with everything, the betterthings will be. And again not saying
that we just all have to stayin that day all the time. But
a little bit of balance I thinkwould be good different as opposed to constantly

(50:42):
being run by the ego mine.Right. It's funny because people are afraid
or just don't know what to dowith you know, quote unquote supernatural,
and yet we're kind of supernatural onthe day to day basis. And that's
what you talk about in the book. I mean just just those studies from

(51:04):
was a heart Math Institute or somethinglike that, Yeah, where EMF electromagnetic
frequency can be measured, like literallymeasured using instruments. Right, Like this
isn't you know, fantasy, Thisis like real, This is real,
solid material science able to measure electromagneticfrequency coming from the heart reaching out to

(51:29):
like three feet. Yeah. Andthen the coolest aspect is that there's this
if you put two people close together, Yeah, there is a what what
happened? There's a convergence or asinking. What what happens is there's a
transfer. Yeah, there's a transferof the vibes, the transfer of the
of the energy. So yeah,we have this kind of invisible donut shape

(51:52):
that's emanating around us. And thefirst thing Heart Math did and rolland McCrady
is the lead scientists there, itshowed that they could tell the difference like
the kind of the signature of theEMF the electromagnetic field could tell if someone
was meditating on gratitude as the nicestudy they did versus stewing on anger could

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see the difference in the MF field. So, you know, just starting
from that, that's kind of theone of the best example of a scientific
verification for the idea of giving upbad vibes, especially because then they showed
you bring the two people together,as you mentioned, when those donuts shape
invisible fields overlap, there can bea transfer of that. So it kind

(52:39):
of again a transfer of that becausesomebody's feeling angry or happy or whatever.
Yeah, that kind of signature ofthe vibration can transfer over and basically contaminate,
and then you pick up this vibration. You know how you've there's fun
experiments where you've got things vibrating andthen it kind of transfers over. Yeah,

(53:00):
so that's kind of happening in ourin our physical environment around us.
How do you how do you typicallymeasure that? So if frequency is a
measurement of time between waves, andwavelength is like the height or the or
the length of the wave itself.Is that is that? How you yeah,
the linked of it, So thenhow do you know what is?

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But you know, are there signatureswithin those that match with let's say,
happiness or anger? Yeah, andI you know, I use the word
signature kind of oversimplification of it,okay, And but the dart math I
mean, they're the first ones todo it. So they basically characterize the

(53:51):
wave form of this electromagic field.And of course it is very complicated to
go through these machines. So sothen they see this, and then they
have the person change their internal stateand see that waveform change. So it's
not like every it always looks thesame. The point was that they see
that it would change based on theinternal state, and then, as you

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pointed out, the really cool partis they could see whatever that changed too.
So the way the squiddly lines lookedon the machine bring it in would
transfer over to another person and thenyou could see that picked up in the
other person's kind of invisible donut field. Right. That's literally as well as

(54:35):
I can describe the So are youlike effing people up when we're in a
bad mood? Like yeah, oryou know, try to bring yours and
you know, really kind of getyour frequency going and emanated towards them and
try to bring them from Is theresomething too when you walk into a room

(54:55):
and you get a weird like afeeling like something's off. Are you are
you picking up you know, likesubconsciously, are you picking up like micro
queues in the physical reality that's informingthat feeling or is it truly like an
energy that you're picking up. Yeah, So the research on that is much.

(55:21):
You know, there's plenty of researchshowing that conscious and subconscious vibes are
at play. So for example,great experiment where they have folks come in
to do it an experiment, andthere's deception involved in this experiment too,
where they're coming in just to fillout some forms that scientists don't really care

(55:43):
about. Well, let's put itthis way. The research subjects that participants
don't know that it's about the vibesin the room. But they put a
backpack on the side of the tableversus putting a briefcase. And this was
done some years ago when like briefcasesor a thing for you know, business.
So anyway, they have the participantsdo these tests and they measure that

(56:07):
they act more competitively. So they'repicking up a vibe and it's based on
physically noticeable You're seeing that backpack andyour subconscious mind apparently is doing some calculation
like and you can imagine, youknow, the mind's always assessing, and
this will be the egos job here, like okay, am I safe here?

(56:27):
How what? How do I haveto interact these people? What do
I need to do? What's expectedof me? And so that is creating
this vibe of a place. Soand again the rest of wedding example.
And then there's great research showing thecolors which you can see but you don't
realize are affecting you. So youknow, marketers have known that like color
can make up up to ninety percentof the snap judgments in terms of buying.

(56:51):
Sure, great research on that.The research on superconscious vibes, which
are more like you walk in it'slike, oh, something bad happened in
this place before. There's much lessresearch on that. The best research I
could find just first it showed thatthis is a feeling that's not just you
know, happen to the United States. They look they did research with folks

(57:15):
in India show that you know,these two very different cultures have the same
basic belief people. You know,that's a belief in the culture. And
then they did experiments whether it wouldinfluence people's behavior. So they told folks
that they're going to go take itthis test and go sit in one of
those rooms, and then they havelittle signs outside the room. They kind

(57:37):
of give it indication that, oh, the last group that was in there
was doing processing sad emotions, andthis room they were doing funny stuff,
and people would just go to thatroom because of apparently because of this belief
that there's going to be a differencein the vibes. So I think that
I haven't the only you know,the story about the condition space, with

(58:00):
the with the Bill Taylor giving methis guff about my lab having bad vibes.
I'd say, that's kind of theit's it's indirect and again it's done
in this, you know, withthese highly trained, you know, lifelong
spiritual healers. But I didn't findany strong evidence demonstrating directly that the vibes

(58:22):
of a place there could be residual, right like say there was a murder
in the house before you know,Again, it's just that the evidence is
that people believe it. So Ididn't know this, But there are certain
states I can't remember them now,which there's laws about you have to disclose,
like the real estate laws. Ifthere was a murder in this building,

(58:43):
it has to be disclosed to thebuyers after a period of time.
I think it's a couple of statesin the US now and including I think
New Jersey. If I'm not ifI'm that you have to disclose a ghost
or haunting, Oh wow, yeah, yeah, well, and that that

(59:04):
we came out of a lawsuit actuallyyeah, from from a couple who had
bought a home and had like reallyterrible experiences and had to leave. And
then they found out that the previousowners left the house because they were having
bad experiences with what we're considered Iforget what town it was in Jersey,
but considered you know, the poltergeistor you know, ghosts and the dees

(59:27):
or whatever. So so okay,so there, if we if we have
science to support that scope ofthesia isa real phenomena, then it doesn't seem
like a big leap at all thatwe would have walked into any space and
just pick up on the general vibe. It's like when you when you go

(59:49):
into a party, right and youhave a whole all these people that are
standing close to each other, aroundeach other, clustered. Like you were
saying that that electromagnetic frequency that emitsfrom the heart, you know, those
all those those energies are overlapping andtransferring onto each other. So if I
walk into a space and something badhappened within that room, presumably then you

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know, the energy coming out ofthose people would be a different vibration than
like a baseline vibration of just wakingup in the morning. Right, absolutely,
for sure, if there's people inthe room, I think it's you
know, but generally people were talkingabout walking into an empty room and there's
leftover energy from distant past, andI think that's possible, but I haven't

(01:00:38):
found, you know, good directevidence of it. That would be kind
of like, you know this ideathat a psychic can walk into a room
and sends spirits of the past,right, Like there's like an impression left
on the space. You mentioned you'veseen auras or read. I mentioned I've

(01:01:00):
what is see oors, I've beenand I'm unable to do it. Yeah,
I thought you had like a minorexperience or something that my clairvoyance is
my my superpower. Parents, allright, but I've been wanting to see
ors. I've tried to do it, read books I got, I said,
I had acupuncture to try it.Just silly, I wasn't not been

(01:01:21):
able to do it yet. Whathave you avoided? You mean the clairvoyance
stuff. Well, again, ateenage story. The most the most up
profound one was, you know,I was hiding hiding some stuff in my
parents in my room some something anda I was in another part of the

(01:01:46):
house reading The Lord of the Rings, you know, so and I and
I remember, you know, backat that I remember thinking about this that
that was perhaps contributed to why Iwas able to kind of un leash this
ability, because I was imagining aworld of magic and wizards and all this
stuff. But I was seeing ascene. You know, as you read

(01:02:09):
a book, your your mind isimagining the scene. And then it was
as if somebody changed the channel onthe TV. In my mind, I
just shoot completely replaced with my parentsdiscovering this thing I was hiding in my
room, and like so it wasa sudden panic. I you know,

(01:02:30):
threw the book down, ran acrossthe room, down the stairs, across
and into my room, and theywere standing in the exact position finding it
like right there, and so thatthis was not a fear of side.
This was like, oh my god, I just saw through the house.
What is going on? And Icollapse on the bed and I was just

(01:02:54):
like whoa. And then my parentslike, don't worry, you know,
don't you know? They thought thatI was really really upset about getting busted,
and I was like, no,I just saw through the house.
So that began me being the weirdestkid. But it was very profound.
I think about it all the time, you know. It was fun for

(01:03:14):
me to think about, like wasit through space and time because the amount
of time it took me to runit was. It's a big house,
and it was I was on anotherfloor and they were pretty much in the
same position of like pulling it fromthe hidden spot. So I feel like
I saw through the house and justlike a couple of seconds ahead and time.

(01:03:37):
And aside from me being in afantasy world, that might have loosened
the structure of how you know,the ego mind in this case is maintaining
it. Also similar to the situationwhen my dad felt that I was in
trouble, just this kind of distress, Like my mind, part of my
mind knew that I did not wantmy parents to find this like this was

(01:03:59):
the way I was hiding it.So it might have just been you know,
part of my subconscious minds that makehey, yeah, this is happening.
You're gonna get busted. So youknow, we're gonna break through the
normal divisions and let you see this. But that really that was what kind
of set me on this path totrying to figure out what's going on with
our minds. Garrett, if youcan leave us with one thought, what

(01:04:20):
would it be? Yeah? Myone thought would be, you know,
the more we understand about our vibesand are able to influence them and influence
others, it's gonna, like Isaid, lead to a more chilled down
world, and it's gonna lead tohealthier people and the more peaceful society.

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So it's worth a try, allright. Well, if you want to
give it a try, check outWhy Vibes Matter by Garrett Young, and
of course go on over to Ion'snoetic dot org website and you know,
see what they're up too, there'sa lot going on and it's fifty years,
right verson fifty years. Yeah,that's pretty cool. It's amazing that

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doctor edgar Mitchell. Was he thesoul founder or what was a collective?
So edgar Mitchell sixth man to walkon the moon. He's the founder.
I mean, I know other folkswere involved, but he's got the role
of founder. Yeah, what agreat founder. All right, that's awesome,

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Garrett, thank you so much againfor coming on. I really appreciate
it. So welcome. I enjoyedit. Okay, thank you, and
thank you everyone for joining us tonight. There's so much more that we could
have talked about, I mean,honestly, but we have to we have
to wrap it now. But Ithink one thing I'd like to leave you
with, and what I really gotan impression from reading the book was the

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importance of, you know, takingcare of yourself so that you can have
your own good internal vibes and sharethat with others. Nope, to be
mindful of how you are around othersand how what you do, what you
say not only affects your body ona physical level, but I can also

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affect other people. Even that somewhatof a different distance, so anyway,
keep that in mind. Peace andlove to you all. Thank you so
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