January 18, 2024 • 59 mins
Cheryl Costa, author of Magickal Musings of a Rogue Witch, will take us back in time and through the ages to discuss how the power of words, ideologies, manipulation of religious beliefs, and conflicting and merging belief systems have affected the spiritual livelihood of women and society as a whole. How can we look to the past for truth and mystical inspiration?
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With Alan B. Smith, rebroadcaston the ONEX Network Thursdays at eleven pm
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you are, Welcome, good soulsto Mystic Lounge. I'm Alan B.
Smith. You're most grateful host.Thank you so much for joining us on
this episode. It has been quitea while, all the way through the
holiday season, and I'm so happyto be here with you and with our
special guest tonight, Cheryl Costa.If you are a fan of this podcast,
please subscribe comment down below. I'dlove to hear your thoughts, particularly
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on tonight's topic, which is aninteresting one, indeed slight departure from where
we usually go, but of courseit's all related to the mystical ensp,
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All right, So I want tobring our special guests on right at this
moment. Cheryl, how are yougood? I'm going great. Welcome back,
Yeah, thank you. It's alwaysa pleasure to have you here,
of course, and tonight we're kindof doing so. Last time you're on,
we talked about your book, MagicalMusings of a Roade, which this
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time we're kind of expanding on that, but more from a historical perspective on
the evil of spirituality, how itrelates to women over the ages, how
they were treated, things that happenedto them, and why that may be.
We are the kind of you know, religious believing society that we are
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today because of that. So Cheryl, I'll leave the rest up to you,
if you can introduce the topic tonight, Okay, Okay, I have
to qualify something up front, pleasedo Yeah, Okay, I I have
to officially say I can't speak forall women of course. Okay. I
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wasn't born woman or born a girl, and I wasn't raised as a young
girl or a young woman. Okay, and I transitioned in my thirties and
became the woman you see today.Okay, So at best, the term
I sometimes use for myself is I'mthe preferbial counterfeit woman. Okay, that's
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a phrase I've not heard before.No, I'm one of the few people
who use it. Okay. ButI think the biggest point that I can
make right now is to say,back in his sixties and early seventies,
there was a couple of books ofdifferent people, several people who had special
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medicines given to them so they coulddarken their skin, and they were the
one guy wrote a book. Ican't remember his name off the top of
my head, but he wrote abook called Black Like Me, Like Me.
Yeah, I've read that in highschool. Yeah, same here,
you know. And he ran inthe black community. Now that gave him
a perspective. Did he have acomplete perspective of growing up black? No,
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he didn't, same as me.I didn't. I have a complete
perspective of growing up as a youngwoman. I was not socialized as a
young woman, right, Okay,But I did take the forty percent pay
cut. People act like I stucka straw on the side of my head
and took out eighty five percent ofmy brain matter. They treat me like
like I'm clueless. There are alot of things I'm not. For a
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long time after I changed, nobodytook me seriously, even in my profession.
Well, you did that silly sexchange thing. How can we trust
your engineering judgment? You know thatkind of you. Okay, but a
lot of the women are They feltthe same way about the genuine girls.
Okay, fair enough, Okay,Okay, that's part of it. So
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people probably saying, well, whyare we talking about this since we normally
talk about the spirituality and mysticism andstuff. Well, let me put it
this way. When I met myLama for the first time, and he
picked me out of a crowd ofone hundred and fifty two hundred people and
said, I know you. Latersat down with me and explained to me
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who I had been in a pastlife. And he looked at me and
he says, my goodness, youhave overcome something that many, many,
many, many mystics currently will notovercome. He says, what's that?
He says, thousands, tens ofthousands of monks in Asia that will not
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attain enlightenment in this lifetime because theyrefuse to connect with their feminine energy and
their feminine their their inborn feminine nature. We the reality I'm going to tell
you is and your listeners, weare unity beings. We have all that
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potential in us everything, but wehave a culture on our world where we
program people from the earliest age tosay, well, you're a boy,
don't boys don't cry? Or girlsdo this, boys do that, that
type of thing. Okay, thisis the key thing to keep in mind
as we go forward in this conversation. We are unity beings, but our
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society programs that out of us.Doesn't matter what our biology is. So
I'm going to say a blasphemous thingright now, a Western sex change is
a spiritual problem. The issue drivingit is a spiritual problem. Wait,
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okay, you're gonna have to expandon that. Okay, a person identifying
as something other than the gender thebiology they've been born into. Okay,
Okay, it's a spiritual problem.I got this from Native American folks.
Okay after I changed, and thedeeper because there were questions that we're not
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asked by going through the Western sexchange process. Sure, well, and
before you continue, let me justsay this too. Many people who speak
in terms of metaphysics and spirituality,they talk about dualism, you know,
dark and light, male female energies. I mean, just talk about astrology
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and horoscopes. That's all over theplace. And then also, you know,
we have xy chromosomes, we sharechromosomes. I mean, I am
almost identical to my sister, right, Like you know, there is that
even in our biology, there arethose male and female genetics that we all
share with each other. So atthe very nature of all this spirituality is
about finding balance. So go aheadthat that's the big point. Right.
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So a particularly Native American man mayback in the early nineties, about a
year or two after I change,it was formally changed. Okay, it
was a five Most people try toget through it in a year or eighteen
months. I took five years becauseback in the eighties, everybody was telling
me, you do this, you'regoing to be dead in the gutter,
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you know, you know, therewas this was going to be my destruction.
I spent five years in therapy insteadof the required one year, okay,
to get to the bottom of itall. Okay, point one.
So the first thing this guy lookedat this native medicine guy did we're having
a private consultation, and he looksat me, said, so you took
a white man's solution to a spiritualproblem. Interesting, all right, okay,
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And so that put me on ajourney of asking other questions and digging
deeper and trying to understand things,right, And that's what we do here
and there you go. So okay, So think about this for a minute
when we advertise the show a littlebit about the War of the sexes.
Fifty one percent of the world's populationare considered an inferior birth by most by
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the majority of religions, especially ifyou go back archaically. Yes, yes,
but you can go into a mosquenow the women are back there in
a different room, the different sideof it. Okay, it's it's still
happening, right, It's still thatway, it really is. And this
is this is where hell Catholic Churchthey won't allow women to be clergy.
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Yeah, it's always been a brotherhood, you know. Well, the thing
is, if the Catholic Church trulywants to have a renaissance, they start
ordaining women, they would have amassive renaissance. Oh and they would increase
their numbers, I would assume amazingly, okay, amazingly, why are so
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many people in the pagan face Becausewomen can be princesses. I was supposed
to be a seminarian. Well,because we all we all want community to
some degree, right, and anda lot of us are spiritual pursuits fell
you know, are part of thatthat communal experience. When I was in
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high school, actually, when Iwas in Catholic school, okay, everybody
thought I was going to be Iwas one of the you know, in
first grade, everybody wanted to bea priest or nun. You know,
that different thing. When you getto high school, it's maybe three or
four or five people in both genders, okay. And my first communion partner
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just celebrated thirty, her thirty yearjubilee as a Catholic nun, okay.
And she's a pretty powerful one.She's bigger than the accounting thing. And
heck, they called her over theVatican a couple of times for consulting that
type of thing. Okay, allright, everybody thought I was going to
be the priest, okay, inhigh school. And I can tell you
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the exact date. It was,April seventeenth, nineteen seventy. It was
the day the Paul thirteen astronauts cameback to Earth. Okay, I'm helping
out at the directory. I'd beenwashing, helping the young, the young
priest wash the cars, you knowthat type of thing, you know.
I had access to these guys assoon as I graduated from high school.
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I was going to spend the summerat a monastery up on the up in
the Finger Lakes, and I wasgoing to seminary in the fall, essentially
college. Okay, they did aside story about some starving children in Africa
as a side story away from theguys getting back safely from a Paull of
thirteen. I started crying. Iwas always in the title of the first
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chapter of my biography is the Boywho Cried. Okay. My parents wouldn't
let me go to the movies aftera certain period of time because if the
kid we were watching the dog kidhorse movie, so to speak, the
dog died, the horse got sick, whatever. I was sitting there crying
with the little girls, and myparents got embarrassed about it. Boys don't
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cry, okay, So they wouldn'tlet me go to the movies. Anymore.
As a kid, I wasn't allowedto go to the movies because I
was an embarrassment to them. Okay, So when I started going on this
idea of going into the priesthood ona good track, I was going and
we were watching this program. Istarted crying and seeing these these skeletons with
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skin and type of thing, andthe pastor with liquor on his breath,
looked at me and said, youknow, it's going to be a priest.
You're going to have to be strongerthan that. And I just tried
to roll with it, you know, not to make any waves, and
he wouldn't let it go. Wegot into a knockdown, drag out argument
and they pulled my sponsorship the nextday out Okay, figuring my life was
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over, I went. I went. I went out and joined the Air
Force as soon as I graduated fromhigh school to ship me off the boot
camp. Okay, so you getthe idea. Okay, So here's the
deal. People say, well,you got to make a man out of
yourself. I'm just sharing this forsome perspective. TRANSI trans woman individuals out
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there. Got to make a manout of yourself. So I joined a
service that was supposed to make aman out of me, and that wasn't
doing a good enough job. Iwas this squirrely little kid, and so
I volunteered for Vietnam. Who volunteersto go to a war? Okay,
I volunteer for Vietnam. I'm goingto make a man out of myself or
die trying to go ahead. Well, you literally went to reassignment boot camp,
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right like they have those those campsnow where they send people or that
did where they said try to sendpeople away conversion, not reassignment conversion in
this camp. And you were sothat was your own way. You were
voluntarily trying to to be manly,become a man, or get myself a
die trying. There's my attitude.I came back a decorated war hero.
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What a good case of PTSD andexposure to agent orange okay, which is
taking me apart now, Okay,that's why I retired from the UFO speaking,
just not healthy enough to go.So, well, you can still
do podcasts, I hope, Ohyeah, I hope. People, I
can do all the podcasts you want, but I am not. I can't
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go into the irregular schedules of flyingand the eyeball meals and all that.
VA diagnosed me with the issues relatedto agent orange fifty year old case of
PTSD as well. So all thatstuff, but that's what haunts me from
my Vietnam era. Okay, combatsoldier, Okay. And the bottom line
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is I'll give an example. Okay. My father died in twenty ten,
even up to about four months beforeI passed away. One night, I
was having dinner at his house,at my mother and father's house. My
father said, condor down the tableat the end of dinner, and he
said, your shrink should have madeyou grow a beard and chase girls.
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I said, Dad, I hidbehind a Paul Bunyan style beard all the
time I was in the Navy,for God's sakes, as first chasing girls.
I was good with that, youknow, so I still am.
You know, you got a goodone too, Yeah, and I got
a good one too. You know. Well, it's interesting earlier, you
know, because you said it's aboutthe spiritual problem. Yeah, that's what.
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But that's what other people would saythat don't support, you know,
transgender people, right, they say, well, that's why you're transgender,
because you don't you have a spiritualproblem. Don't you come to God,
come to our church, to cometo Jesus'll fix you, right, Okay,
all right, well here's the problem. That's the other problem. You
try and tell other trans people thatthis is a spiritual problem, and they
say, oh, you're gonna tellme, I'm going to hell. I
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said, so, I'm not.I'm trying to tell you what you're about.
But they most of the time theywon't listen to me. Okay,
So I gave up crying. Okay. But the bottom line is it's a
spiritual issue. Okay. We areunity beings and how we express ourselves and
what comes out of us just iswhat it is, okay. And the
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problem is is not us individuals.These kids coming out now with the non
binaries, Oh God, I cheeredthem on. The souls that are in
those bodies have said enough of thisstuff. Let's not going to like that,
like the sex side of that,because that's a very complicated issue sex
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and gender though, okay, theirgender identity or sexual identity. But the
bottom line is they are We havea spiritual apotheosis going on, I mean,
an upwelling of enlightenment, and mostof the world's religions because of their
rigid dogma. I can't see thismiracle that is happening right before for them,
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and they're criticizing it and condemning itand passing laws against it, all
this kind of thing, and theyhave no idea the miracle that is blossoming
in front of them. Well,you know, in the paranormal community and
UFO community, people talk about youknow, star children and indigo children and
these sort of ideas of the sortof evolution of a species. And so
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I figure like, well, ifyou can accept that, why can't you
accept that we're you know, there'sa cute different people here evolving in different
ways. Thank you exactly that.So I went on the next after that
native medicine guy talked to me inthe early nineties, I sort of went
on a in the court. NowI'm a high priesist, but I went
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on a private study of this wholetopic, trying to explore it from a
spiritual standpoint, a deep spiritual andwe're not talking spiritual like religion standpoint,
but from that greater view, mysticaland light mint view, okay. And
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the bottom line that I found wasthe fact that we are this unity being
okay, and this is strictly biology. In fact, I hit our argument
with some Buddhist monks when I livedin a monastery. Okay, they were
debating this thing, Chris. Theycalled me in when and what a bus
cut. They thought I was justone of the boys, okay, even
though I was under dane Buddhist nun. And they sucked me into this monastic
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debate and they're telling me all thisstuff. And they said, okay,
great, and finally said they lookedat me and they said, okay,
your turn. What do we haveto do to make Buddhism uniquely North American?
And I said, well, weneed to lose the Asian baggage first.
And they all twitched and everything,and they said, like what I
said, Well, first thing,you're not treating women like you're treating women
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like a munch property monks. Buddhistmonks are called big shoes, and the
nuns are called bikshunies. Okay.And the easy way to remember that is
big shoe sounds like big shoe,you know, so you know that's the
guy's okay, their shoe. Allright. So we're in this debate and
we're talking, and I said,first thing you do he said, we've
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got to start making the women equal. Well, would the seventh century scriptures
say, and I said, no, No, let's go back to Buddha.
Let's go back to twenty six hundredyears. Buddha ordained men and women
equally. Yeah, but they have, you know, one hundred additional vows
they have to think. I said, they have reproductive apparatus in their bodies.
They have a bigger responsibility. Itwas my argument. It was different.
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Well, so my understanding too ofBuddha was that, you know,
he did say, yes, menand women can both speak reach enlightenment.
But maybe I'm wrong, But myunderstanding of one of the translations is that
he was like, but it's harderfor women. Have you heard that before?
Yes? Okay, so do whatwhat do you think he means by
that? Is that? Does thatrelated to what you were just saying?
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Yes and no, okay, it'sharder for women because of well, give
me an example in a man andwomen's monastery. A lot of women get
ordained, but sooner or later thatinstinct to breed and to have a family
and all that stuff kind of kicksin, and it distracts them from it,
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and eventually a bunch of a lotof nuns leave, leave, the
leave the practice and their vows.Okay, here's that. The other thing
is is it's harder for them becausemen crap on them, okay, and
they have this miserable life. Yeah, I guess if you were in a
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pritriarchal society, then of course it'sgoing to be hard for you to put
the time in to reach enlightenment anddo and feel good about yourself about quieting
your mind and quditing your heart.And if you can't do that because you've
got this miserable existence, youre ahusband beats you and all this kind of
stuff, it's harder. Okay.I'll give you an example, another quick
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example. Male monasteries will say itlike in India, Okay, male monasteries
get all kinds of money thrown atthem. The women's monasteries are impoverished.
Okay. And so it's just afact of life. That's the problem with
this. Fifty one percent of thepopulation is considered lesser by most of the
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world's religions, so lack of donationsinferior. They're also considered inferior. Okay.
So that's that's that's the issue.Now, when did all this happen?
Back about five thousand years ago,We're going to say about the first
or second century BC. Okay,there was sort of like this patriarchal monotheistic
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back but when they had everybody hadgods. We had the Greek gods,
we had the Egyptian gods. I'man Egyptian priest. Hey, we have
fifteen hundred and three gods, okay, with principles about one hundred and then
there's a god for just about everythingyou can think of. Okay. Back
in ancient Egypt, before the Jewsleft Egypt, the Jews had their own
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temples and they worshiped Yell. Theyand his consort, his female consort,
a shira. Okay, I'm goingto do it like that. I know,
looks like mister Spock, but that'sthe Jewish symbol for a shira okay.
Okay. In fact, that's wherethat's where Nemoi got it from.
Okay. Oh interesting, Yeah,I mean a lot of people do forget
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about that part of the history.It's of Jews by design, it's by
design. Indiana Jones Raiders of theLost Ark Okay, a feminine presence comes
out of the ark. That's aShira. She certainly didn't have a great
attitude either. Okay, you know, no one says she didn't. You
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just said that she was there.Yeah, Okay, Now there is also
if you if you look. Thishas always puzzled me with symbology. You
had the Father's son and the HolyGhost. Okay, that bird symbol for
the Holy Ghost is a classic symbolfor goddesses. Goddesses were considered the goddesses
sky goddess. So when I didmy talk at the Unitarian Church back in
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November, not November October twenty second, I'm up there in my black clergy
dress with my with my stole on, but I've got rainbow stockings on,
and people ask me why the rainbowstockings. I said, Hey, I
work for a sky goddess. Okay, that was traditional garb, doesn't matter
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if it was Buddhist Aikinis, inIan kins, traditional goddesses. Okay,
they had rainbow in their clothing asa symbol. Sure, as a symbol.
Okay. So the Jews leave leaveEgypt, and during the forty years
of rolling wandering around in the desert, Moses goes up on a hill,
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comes back forty days later, andhe's got some stone tablets we're writing on
him. Okay. Now, whetherMoses did it himself or whether God did
it, who knows, But therewill be no other gods before me with
that first commandment? Okay, Sowhat happened there? During Exodus? They
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started destroying You see this in themovie the Ten Commandments are destroying the pagan
idols and things, right, Okay, Well, the women were worshiping a
shira, so suddenly they no longerhad a face of God for their veneration,
and the male god didn't cut itas far as they were concerned.
When you think about it, andall those shrines were destroyed. I mean,
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let me just put it there fora moment. Are we to understand
that women tended to worship a shiramore and men? What was it bowl?
Or what was that other god?Y? Okay? Right, while
bows the horned God, that's that'sseparate usage. Yeah. So were they
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kind of worshiping separately these to godsor how did that work? Well?
In Egypt there was all kinds ofgods and goddesses, but was it predominantly
women? I'm a priestess of aset or isis is the Greek translation is
I'm a priestess of a set,so you might just you gravitated to whatever
God. Those of those two peoplevenerated different different goddesses. Okay, okay,
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so here we are. Okay.Uh so what are the first one
of those early laws in the JewishBible written from Exodus? Do not suffer
sorceress to live? That's basically targetedat the women because they are still embracing
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magic and they're still embracing a femaleface of God. Move ahead up to
the Middle Ages. They quote thatconstantly, and quisations did. Okay,
And what was the biggest problem withthe Christian Christianization of Europe during the Middle
Ages was the indigenous population of womenwere still vener reading female faces of goddess
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in the tradition was yeah, okay, so this is this is what we
were up against. The women wereup against. And if you there's a
book out there called The Oh God. I'm going to drop the name now,
I'll remember it for the end ofshow. But it's a wonderful book
written by a friend of mine bythe name is Serenity Young. She's a
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professor up at Cooney up and Upstateup in the arc, and she wrote
a book about about goddesses. Oh, the women, Women who Fly.
That's the name of the book,Women who Fly by Serenity Young. I
don't strongly recommend the book, Okay. She paints a case in there of
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the fall of the goddesses. Youstarted seeing it suddenly in the Greek tradition
started talking about the goddesses coming toearth and getting married to an earthly man
and losing their powers. This typeof thing. You see it with the
German things. Broomhilda fell from thisguy and lived, got married, had
children, and could no longer dothe valkyrie stuff anymore. This is this
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is what we're talking. They literallychanged the change to status of women by
writing it into their their their mythologies. The storytellers did. Who were men?
Okay, so this is this ishow the women fell from stature.
So well, it's like saying thevict there's right history, right, the
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history exactly. So whoever is predominantwrites the history through their their eyes and
how they want people to exist,see it exactly. So. I had
somebody a long time ago say tome, it's well, you know you're
pagan women. You've got all thesegoddess. But we've we've got you've got
Mary. I said, yeah,but she doesn't have deity status as far
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as you're concerned. Yeah, shedefinitely doesn't. And she wasn't even the
one who performed the miracle it was, you know, performed upon her.
Yes. And the quick question regardingthat, so, Charles S. Marr
asks in YouTube chat, so whenyou're looking at Jesus and yahweh, where
does the feminine masculine lie there?It doesn't, It doesn't. But if
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you're Catholic, the Holy Spirit shouldThey don't talk about it. They don't
talk about it in a feminine sense. I see, Okay, they don't.
Okay, uh now let's qualify something. There's a wonderful everybody who's Catholic
knows the picture of the Virgin Marystanding there holding her son Jesus, a
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little baby Jesus right. That isan early Roman copy of a similar painting
made during Roman Egyptian times. Okay, of isis holding her son Horus.
Remember the early Christian tradition was comingtogether its traditions, and they stole a
little bit here, a little bitthere, you know, that type of
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thing. That's where this is comingfrom so it was essentially modeled off of
the pagan icon. Yes, okay, imagery got it. And and the
thing most people don't understand. I'veheard people say to me, well,
isis She's a myth? I saidshe was the predominant religion in the Mediterranean,
you know, for thousands of years. Okay, I didn't even understand
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how I got my connection to her. Nineteen ninety one day, I was
doing a circle for a public,a public demonstration circle. We were doing.
A bunch of us, were priestesses, were doing educational circles, and
I went to go make my offeringand I invoked isis and going what is
going on here? And I hadto do some research. I could not
figure it out. And then Igot my DNA done. I've got berber
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Jeans. My father told me hisside of the family descends from Portuguese and
Moorish pirates, hence the berber Jeans. I would definitely say, you have
a pirate spirit. Oh yeah,well that too. Yeah, I've been
told that many times. In fact, when I got married to Linda,
my wife, I was taken tothe altar and I was barefoot. As
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Pirate princesses were taken to the altarand I went there barefoot with the lady
who gave me away. Okay,so, okay, back to your questions.
Go ahead, we're on a rollerhere. I showed you where the
goddesses. Let's pick that up soyou know where we started with like one
BC and then moving forward. Uh, let's let's move a little bit closer
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to like the Middle Ages. Howdid it evolve like once we got rid
of the Holy Spirit? Right?Amine it? Yes? So the biggest
problem we're dealing with is how doI want to say this? Uh?
The Christianization of Europe was the problem. We can't have free thinking women.
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We have to breed them for timidity, and the ones that won't cooperate will
burn. They're witches, they're heretics. That's that's the thing. And for
two hundred almost three hundred years,that's what they did. Christianity was spread
across Europe at the point of asword and later at the of the muzzle
of a gun. Yeah, paganface, we're very organic. Certain gods
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appealed to us and resonate with us, and we connect and people say,
well, I'm a god fearing man. Is there a god fearing whoever you
know, and pagans. We lookat him and say, we don't have
that. We have a like anadult adult child parent relationship with our gods.
You know. That's that's the difference. It's it's not a bowing down
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to a reference and respect, yes, but certainly not bowing down on our
feet shivering. Right, Okay,Isis has never a set, I should
probably use her proper Egyptian name.A set has never asked that of me.
And when I showed you my badgenoticed there's a little that there's her
little symbol up there. It's official. It's official, believe me, very
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official. I happen to be thearch priesss of the Society of a Set.
But you know, just a detail, one of many details of many
details. But the whole big thingis is that it comes down to,
let me say it this way.You see all these abortion laws being passed
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by the gop okay anti abortion laws. Right, Beings that do not have
control of the reproduction are cattle arelive stock, and womenkind has been livestock
for a long time breeding stock.Well, if you think about the ages
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that women were sold off, it'slike they're sold off for like thirteen twelve,
fourteen, Like, now, wecan't even imagine that, and yet
that wasn't that was the norm becauseit was about breeding more than anything else.
Yes, certain bloodlines, particularly sellingoff a princess to the keep peace
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between two countries, that type ofthing, do your duty, that type
of thing. So this is allpart of this. So when it comes
into the spirituality side of this wholething, women's spirituality is very different to
some degree. Okay, okay,here's here's a line from my from my
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biography autobiography. Excuse me, bringback the matriarchy. The patriarchy has given
us nothing more than more than pollutionand lots of wars war after bloody war.
Women build communities. Yeah, butcan we do that without using a
title such as matriarchy or patriarchy?Can we just be a balance society where
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ideally yes, yes, yes,yes. Do you think there's a balancing
out that has to take place atfirst, like the swinging of the pendulum
sort of? Yeah, yeah,it comes down to that. You know,
I've seen certain women from certain andwe'll say, come from the Middle
East walking six pages behind their husbands. Okay, they're as much responsible for
(35:15):
The Raising of the Little Boys.Oh is anybody Oh? Yeah? Okay,
So, now have you heard ofa TV series called The Power?
Nope, Ah, most people haven't. It was a number one hit on
Amazon, and it was it wasthe hardest thing to find, a non
on Amazon. On Netflix, itwas the hardest thing to find. They
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buried it because in the story ofThe Power, women started developing this like
electricity, and they could literally electrocutea man. Okay, yeah, yeah,
okay, and at the end ofthe first season an evolutionary trait or
something, because because men are physicallybigger and stronger mostly and if the hermaphrodite,
(36:00):
the natural hermaphrodites, uh, theyare, they are physically mixed.
They some of them developed this poweredas well. Right, And it,
like I said, you didn't seeanybody writing up rave reviews. You did.
It was the best kept secret onNetflix this past summer. You're gonna
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have to look look this up.It's called The Power, The Power,
okay, okay, And it's basedon a book, and uh, it's
really really, really quite interesting.And all the women I've talked to who
have seen who have seen it,go get them girls. Fry his ass.
You know that kind of thing.Jingis Khan and Chad says, oh,
(36:47):
yeah, I started that series.Let us know how it goes,
Gingus, I'm definitely gonna check itout. It's it's it's wonderful. We
know. The interesting thing about thisperiod and in all periods up until modern
time, is that there there were, you know, these kind of exceptions.
So like, I don't know why, you know, and I'm not
a big believer necessarily a reincarnation,but I wonder was I around this person
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in that period, And that's whyI have a fascination, but a particular
fascination with Hildegard von Bingen. Sheyou know, this is like around eleven
hundred. She was a polymath andinstead of being married off, what happened
to women back then is like theywould be given to the church with a
dowry essentially, but the dowry wasactually protected. So the woman going into
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the church, you know, typicallya young girl, teenager, you know,
to be a nun or you know, whatever the term was at the
time, they would actually have somesay in how their money could be used.
So she was a genius polymath.She painted, she wrote hymns and
songs, some of the most beautifulfrom the dark ages. And she was
a mathematician, brilliant, but shewas also a brilliant politican too, and
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she could really work the system andmake deals. And there was one time
where people were so upset with her. Uh per second, or you know,
I forget what it's called where theyall lived together community community. Yeah,
there's there's a name for it.But it'll come back to me.
And she went directly to the bitchap bishop and I was like, look,
(38:27):
you can make these changes, andI'm going to leave with my dowry,
you know. And and they said, okay, fine, fine,
fine, fine, you can stay, you know. And and and there
were there were women, women whowere smart and powerful and figured out ways
to make a way for themselves.But in reality that was that was the
exception. Agreed to the rule.Now I have I have people in this
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lifetime, okay. One of thethings I developed during the course of the
seven years I was actually in myserious mindush, I'm okay. There's two
traditions in Tibetan orthodox tradition Pedun Savavacame there twelve hundred years ago and taught
to Shamans. Buddhist technology not reallyreligion. It's more of a technology philosophy
(39:15):
type of thing. Everybody thinks it'sa religion. Yeah, okay. He
taught it to the Shamans and theytook it forth. Now, so in
Orthodox there's four great traditions of Buddhismin Tibet. Three of them have monks
and nuns and have lay people.The Orthodox tradition has monks and nuns.
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It's called the Suture tradition. Andthen they also have tantric tradition, which
is what they call the Yoginis.And I'm an ordained Yoghini in fact,
that was given that ordination before Ibecame a nun, okay. And so
in the course of which I workedon trying to touch other times in my
(39:59):
previous life, okay, and Imade a lot of connections, about fifty
sixty of them over the period ofseven well since since the nineties, late
nineties, probably about fifty sixty ofthem. I was being interviewed in early
twenty eleven with a monastery with asmall monastery, women run monastery up in
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Vancouver, British Columbia, Vancouver,Canada, Okay, and the senior nun
needed somebody who was off as savvy, and I was a senior staffer at
JAKID, So I took a weekand flew up there and spent a week
with her. Her and her congregationloved me. They wanted me to come
(40:44):
and stay there. Okay. Oneday the two of us were at a
She took me to a museum,nor Northwest museum type of thing, and
we were there and during during partof the thing, we saw these little
figurines for Japan and a couple ofthem were geishaus. And I said to
(41:05):
her, I said, Leah,I believe I was a Geisha at one
time. And she looked at mepoint blank, and she's got ten fifteen
years on me, and she says, yeah, we were in Uku.
We were in an obie in Yukuzka, and this was what your name was.
And she told me, now Iunderstand why while all my friends are
(41:30):
running around getting tattoos, why Idon't. Okay. Principal reason was some
of the military work I do.It was kind of frowned on, okay,
okay, But me personally, whenI was out from underneath those restrictions
was I was tattooed significantly in thatlifetime, and it bloody hurts. Okay,
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well, especially how it was doneback. Oh yeah, right,
yeah, I have one tattoo thatI got when I was forty years old
as a gift to myself, andyou know, it's stung, but I'm
sure it's nothing like you guys.You guys have right, let me give
you back then had to go through. Did you hear the announcement in the
(42:15):
news. A couple of this pastweek, China has come out and told
its women have more babies. That'sthat's crazy. Well, they did it
to themselves, they did it themselves. But Japan has a similar problem.
Women just decided I'm not going toget married and I have kids. Yeah,
(42:36):
yeah, well that's happening here too. It's been happening here too.
This is again we don't like Hughwas patriarch and matriarchy, but this is
a subliminal pushback from the patriarchy.That's interesting. That's that's very interesting.
So yeah, there's almost a collectiveunconsciousness movement in a way you think you
(43:00):
should be. Are you a socialpsychologist as well? No, I'm married
to one. Okay, there yougo, there you go. She's got
a degree in psychology, so That'sinteresting because you know, we always wonder,
right, we always wonder why certaintrends and things happen the way they
are. And sometimes I do thinkthat there is that sort of unconscious collective
(43:22):
consciousness that shifts, you know,us in directions where we need to go
for whatever reason the one's telling usto do it, It just sort of
happens organically. I've got a witchcraftclass i'm teaching right now. We started
out with fifty sixty people. We'redown to about twenty seven, which is
about what I would expect. Afterabout four months, people you think,
(43:44):
what this isn't for me, ornow this is too hard, you know
whatever, there's a whole wondery listof reasons why they drop out. So
we're getting down to the meat ofthe people who are still in the class,
which is what I really like.We've got the people who've got the
staying power. And one of thethings that came up and guess what,
I just had that seventy one momenthere and I just drew a complete blank.
(44:08):
But that's okay, I'm gonna insertthis really quick. So Jingis Khan
said, my grandma from Singapore wassupposed to have an arranged marriage. However,
she was already in love and ranoff with her choice and basically cut
ties to her parents to do so, my family's dead to me. Yeah,
okay, so you know that's that'sthat's a very hard thing to deal
(44:31):
with, and I spent a lotof time on a therapiscous working through it.
Final all it takes all takes hislove, man, you know.
But but some people, the societyhas trained them in a certain way,
or in my own personal experience,narcissist. That's a that's a much.
I don't know if that's genetic,what makes narcissist a true narcissists, but
(44:51):
it's like nothing you can do aboutit, and they can't get to that
place of acceptance and love and youjust have to have to let go somehow.
It's not that easy, though,I can tell you. And they
don't, they don't they some peoplejust are unwilling to examine it and discuss
true. Right. There are certainfamilies my mother said of the family,
it's all Irish and Northern Irish toboot. You know, boy, that
(45:15):
went over went over like crap.When I was in Catholic school, because
I'm Saint Petro's Day. Mom sentme to school with the orange shirt versus
the green shirt because we were NorthIrish. You know, Oh, that
didn't go over well. But butbut the point is is that there's some
rigidity in society. It won't letgo of certain things and at least entertain
(45:38):
a variant or a different approach toit. And it's either right or it's
wrong. Look, I mean agood example is, you know, certain
religions have had to adapt because theywould be they would crumble because the collective
society is moving in the direction theydon't accept that they will die, you
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know. And and human evolution,which includes us as a collective, is
about evolution and adaptation. That's that'show we survive as a species. Agreed,
If you told me ten years ago, I would even as a priestess,
I would do hand fastings, whichisn't like a ceremonial wedding. But
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I didn't have any authority under thestate to solemnize their marriage. Okay,
if you'd told me that, Iwould be now licensed by the state of
Ohio to marry people because I'm thepagan. When the pagan chaplain at this
U U church, I would havewanted a case of whatever you were drinking,
right, because I didn't ever foreseeI did not foresee that happening.
(46:51):
Shell your froze. Are you stillthere? Yep, I'm here. Can
you hear me? Okay? Areyou there? Not me? Not me?
(47:22):
Not me? Okay, I thinkwe're back. Yeah, I think
froze on your end, Both ofus froze. I'm not sure what happened
there. Well, we do havea lot of sun spot activity going on
(47:43):
right now and it does affect satellites, so we did. And you know,
we don't live in the New YorkCity center anymore, so you know,
connections aren't always as strong as gosh. No, we're further than the
burbs, further out, yeah,okay, surrounded by lots of green beautiful
though. We're in the last tenminutes, so cut the chase and whatever
you want to do it. Ithink the bottom line on it is is
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that the faiths that have opened upand allowed women to become clergy. Okay
again, if you had told mea year ago that I would be giving
a sermon in a mainstream church wearingmy witch hat, I wouldn't have believed
it. Growing up, No,I wouldn't have either. But but that's
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that's that's the way things are going. They're they're there there there some faiths
are embracing people other other people,and so where does the balance and all
this come into come into play?You know what? Uh, you know,
I'm going back and you know,the witch hunter hunts and and all
(48:51):
that sort of thing kind of suppressingyou know what we're predominantly you know,
localized more pagan a mystic belief systemsby women. They were forced to no
longer you know, an act.And even just erbology right like orbology was
(49:12):
considered like a witchcraft or something likethat. So all these skills until men
read this later medieval century men discoveredit and that became medicine. You know.
Well, okay, so like alot of that knowledge was lost,
and that's what I wonder, like, what do you think what did we
lose? I mean, yes,now, like you go on Instagram and
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there's a million metaphysical accounts and paganaccounts and people you know, uh you
know, with their apothecaries and theirtheir spells and things that they share,
and I think it's so cool becausethat was lost for a long time.
What did we do you think welost that we can never get back,
though we've had a renaissance, atleast from the pagan view standpoint. Okay,
(50:00):
started with Gerald Gardner back in thefifties when they took certain laws off
the books. Okay, And itwas the wicked tradition that he propagated back
in the fifties. It was sortof a subculture at that time. But
when it got into the sixties andseventies with the growth of the women's movement
(50:20):
looking for a non patriarchal based viewof deity. Hence it blossomed, and
by the eighties things were really rolling. You had people like Starhawk and Margo
Adler putting out really substantive books.That type of thing. So that's where
the blossoming. They took the lawand the sting and the risk of being
(50:43):
thrown in jail for being a witchoff the books. That's what was enacted
during medieval times, during inquisition times, that type of thing. They took
these laws. Now, I'll giveyou a quick example though, even though
a lot of the books were throttleddown in the eighteenth century, they stopped
doing witch trials that type of thing. A lot of the books, laws
(51:07):
stayed on the books. So inEngland and during World War Two, there
was a medium over there that wasmaking very accurate predictions about stuff that wasn't
being publicly told to the public bythe events in mi industry. So concerned,
the intelligence officials became concerned that ifshe blabbed about D Day, the
(51:30):
cat would be out of the bag. So they used a still active piece
of the seventeen thirty five witchcraft deckto throw her into solitary confinement until after
D Day. Right, okay,And rather than rather than reaching out to
her like we did later in thesixties and say hey, can you help
(51:52):
us? Okay, let's go stepfurther. In nineteen ninety one, one
of my students, she was aclergy student. She was going through training,
going through training, and she wasin the middle of a divorce.
Her husband's lawyer and him were makingno progress in divorce court. So finally
(52:15):
they come in and they threw outthe witch card. Of course, the
judge left them out of court.Yeah, okay, but because of that
it got on the books. I'min court records being her high priestess.
Okay, all right. About ayear later, this guy from ABC uh,
to our the two hour movies,the movie the week kind of guy
(52:36):
reaches out to me, He says, hey, could you introduce me to
a lady who had that problem withthe with a husband who tried to use
the old witchcraft laws that you know, that type of thing to turn the
divorce in his favor. And Ijust looked at the guy and says,
come to dinner Friday night. I'llintroduce you to a dozen of them.
(52:57):
And they came, he came,and they burned his zeros off, you
know, with their stories. Soeven in nineteen ninety, nineteen ninety one
time grame, this was still anissue. Yeah, yeah, And obviously
there's pockets that's still an issue today. And that's why we're talking. We're
having these conversations because there's overall spiritualitymetaphysics. But then we're all different individuals,
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you know, we all experience lifethrough a slightly different lens, and
so I think it's healthy to havethose discussions, you know, about whether
it's about you know, life afterdeath or life here now, you know,
how can we look back and seewhat made us believe what we believe?
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And I really appreciate tonight's discussion cheryls. So we've got a couple of
minutes left. If you can leaveus with a final thought anything, what
would it be? Well, okay, everybody's sisters one God? Okay,
three guys and one but one God? All right, fine, Okay.
I was I represented a particular countyon the County Ministerial Association. I came
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in a black clergy shirt with agreen collar like a priest, okay,
but green. And they started askingme questions, well do you people have
a God? And I said,hey, we've got God's by the bushel.
Okay, we're not short. Don'tworry about us. And they said
what do you mean? I said, hey, the Greek said thirty one
hundred, the Egyptians fifteen hundred.You talked to my Hindu friends, and
(54:30):
there was Hindu priests right across fromyou in the table at this meeting,
and I said, they got thirtythree million. Yeah. Yeah, yeah.
So the deal is is there areadvanced beings out there that probably a
long time ago, were human,but they evolved spiritually to do you a
(54:52):
fixed state. Okay, okay.So so my argument to my tank got
with that conversation, don't worry there'splenty of faces of God for everybody.
Right, Well, hey, thereare tens of thousands of years, if
not hundreds or millions of years ofhuman or human like thinking beings before the
(55:15):
written six thousand years ago traditions thatwe that we have, So, I
mean, who knows what could havehappened back then? Right? The deal
is, I tell everybody just openyour heart, and if somebody sinks to
you, you know, and invitesyou to come talk to them, do
don't let them in. Don't inviteanybody into yourself. But if you think
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on it, particularly if you comefrom a certain heritage or something like this,
go to the library, not online. Don't go online, go to
a paper library and research the historyof the lineages that you have in your
DNA. You may find you're connectedto a particular pantheon. It okay,
(56:00):
sure, what do you think aboutus possibly living in a not like a
computer as we understand it, buta but a sort of kind of simulation,
Oh like sim life, that kindof thing, Yeah, like a
matrix life. Oh that's scary.And you know what's funny is it feels
that way. But I talked tothe you of full people, and some
(56:22):
of the remote viewing people. Theysay, our planet is a prison planet.
And the way they keep us confinedhere is by forcing every time our
physical body dies, they keep forcingour soul back into another physical body.
And that's what keeps us contained here. You know, So that that that
would create, well, that wouldbe a sort of matrix then a yes,
a constructed reality. Yes, butif you look at it from like
(56:47):
a Buddhist view, Okay, Itell people, says, hey, this
body's wearing out like an old car. I'm going to get a new one.
Yeah, Okay, I'm going tobe reborn again. I'll come back
okay, and of a certain levelof spiritual enlightenment that I'm going to remember
not so much who this person was, but I'll remember the knowledge that was
(57:13):
acquired. Okay, Because once,once the Lama introduced me to some of
this stuff and I started doing it. I made a set of robes.
He looked at when he saw therobes, he said, hmm, you
made those by yourself? No pattern? I said, yeah. He says,
how do you know how to makea nineteenth century cut? Okay?
(57:34):
The knowledge was there there interesting,and so if you think about it,
we're connected to our pass. Ifyou're willing to turn the phone off,
turn off the football game and dosome quiet time, do some quiet meditation,
clear your consciousness, become quiet inyour mind, be alone with your
thoughts. You'd be surprised what informationbubbles up within you. It's so true.
(57:59):
Cheryl, thank you so much forjoining you tonight. I love our
conversation as always for everybody listening.Her most popular book right now is Magical
Musings of a Rogue, which that'sit right there on screen. Go check
it out. It's on Amazon,self published. Cheryl Yes, number one
seller in twenty twenty three against fiftysixty UFO books. That was the number
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one seller. Who knew it alwayscomes back to the UFOs anyway. So
all right, Cheryl, thank youso much. I'm really happy to have
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All right, So I want tobring our special guests on right at this
moment. Cheryl, how are yougood? I'm going great. Welcome back,
Yeah, thank you. It's alwaysa pleasure to have you here,
of course, and tonight we're kindof doing so. Last time you're on,
we talked about your book, MagicalMusings of a Roade, which this
(01:53):
time we're kind of expanding on that, but more from a historical perspective on
the evil of spirituality, how itrelates to women over the ages, how
they were treated, things that happenedto them, and why that may be.
We are the kind of you know, religious believing society that we are
(02:15):
today because of that. So Cheryl, I'll leave the rest up to you,
if you can introduce the topic tonight, Okay, Okay, I have
to qualify something up front, pleasedo Yeah, Okay, I I have
to officially say I can't speak forall women of course. Okay. I
(02:38):
wasn't born woman or born a girl, and I wasn't raised as a young
girl or a young woman. Okay, and I transitioned in my thirties and
became the woman you see today.Okay, So at best, the term
I sometimes use for myself is I'mthe preferbial counterfeit woman. Okay, that's
(03:00):
a phrase I've not heard before.No, I'm one of the few people
who use it. Okay. ButI think the biggest point that I can
make right now is to say,back in his sixties and early seventies,
there was a couple of books ofdifferent people, several people who had special
(03:23):
medicines given to them so they coulddarken their skin, and they were the
one guy wrote a book. Ican't remember his name off the top of
my head, but he wrote abook called Black Like Me, Like Me.
Yeah, I've read that in highschool. Yeah, same here,
you know. And he ran inthe black community. Now that gave him
a perspective. Did he have acomplete perspective of growing up black? No,
(03:45):
he didn't, same as me.I didn't. I have a complete
perspective of growing up as a youngwoman. I was not socialized as a
young woman, right, Okay,But I did take the forty percent pay
cut. People act like I stucka straw on the side of my head
and took out eighty five percent ofmy brain matter. They treat me like
like I'm clueless. There are alot of things I'm not. For a
(04:12):
long time after I changed, nobodytook me seriously, even in my profession.
Well, you did that silly sexchange thing. How can we trust
your engineering judgment? You know thatkind of you. Okay, but a
lot of the women are They feltthe same way about the genuine girls.
Okay, fair enough, Okay,Okay, that's part of it. So
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people probably saying, well, whyare we talking about this since we normally
talk about the spirituality and mysticism andstuff. Well, let me put it
this way. When I met myLama for the first time, and he
picked me out of a crowd ofone hundred and fifty two hundred people and
said, I know you. Latersat down with me and explained to me
(04:55):
who I had been in a pastlife. And he looked at me and
he says, my goodness, youhave overcome something that many, many,
many, many mystics currently will notovercome. He says, what's that?
He says, thousands, tens ofthousands of monks in Asia that will not
(05:19):
attain enlightenment in this lifetime because theyrefuse to connect with their feminine energy and
their feminine their their inborn feminine nature. We the reality I'm going to tell
you is and your listeners, weare unity beings. We have all that
(05:40):
potential in us everything, but wehave a culture on our world where we
program people from the earliest age tosay, well, you're a boy,
don't boys don't cry? Or girlsdo this, boys do that, that
type of thing. Okay, thisis the key thing to keep in mind
as we go forward in this conversation. We are unity beings, but our
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society programs that out of us.Doesn't matter what our biology is. So
I'm going to say a blasphemous thingright now, a Western sex change is
a spiritual problem. The issue drivingit is a spiritual problem. Wait,
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okay, you're gonna have to expandon that. Okay, a person identifying
as something other than the gender thebiology they've been born into. Okay,
Okay, it's a spiritual problem.I got this from Native American folks.
Okay after I changed, and thedeeper because there were questions that we're not
(06:48):
asked by going through the Western sexchange process. Sure, well, and
before you continue, let me justsay this too. Many people who speak
in terms of metaphysics and spirituality,they talk about dualism, you know,
dark and light, male female energies. I mean, just talk about astrology
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and horoscopes. That's all over theplace. And then also, you know,
we have xy chromosomes, we sharechromosomes. I mean, I am
almost identical to my sister, right, Like you know, there is that
even in our biology, there arethose male and female genetics that we all
share with each other. So atthe very nature of all this spirituality is
about finding balance. So go aheadthat that's the big point. Right.
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So a particularly Native American man mayback in the early nineties, about a
year or two after I change,it was formally changed. Okay, it
was a five Most people try toget through it in a year or eighteen
months. I took five years becauseback in the eighties, everybody was telling
me, you do this, you'regoing to be dead in the gutter,
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you know, you know, therewas this was going to be my destruction.
I spent five years in therapy insteadof the required one year, okay,
to get to the bottom of itall. Okay, point one.
So the first thing this guy lookedat this native medicine guy did we're having
a private consultation, and he looksat me, said, so you took
a white man's solution to a spiritualproblem. Interesting, all right, okay,
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And so that put me on ajourney of asking other questions and digging
deeper and trying to understand things,right, And that's what we do here
and there you go. So okay, So think about this for a minute
when we advertise the show a littlebit about the War of the sexes.
Fifty one percent of the world's populationare considered an inferior birth by most by
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the majority of religions, especially ifyou go back archaically. Yes, yes,
but you can go into a mosquenow the women are back there in
a different room, the different sideof it. Okay, it's it's still
happening, right, It's still thatway, it really is. And this
is this is where hell Catholic Churchthey won't allow women to be clergy.
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Yeah, it's always been a brotherhood, you know. Well, the thing
is, if the Catholic Church trulywants to have a renaissance, they start
ordaining women, they would have amassive renaissance. Oh and they would increase
their numbers, I would assume amazingly, okay, amazingly, why are so
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many people in the pagan face Becausewomen can be princesses. I was supposed
to be a seminarian. Well,because we all we all want community to
some degree, right, and anda lot of us are spiritual pursuits fell
you know, are part of thatthat communal experience. When I was in
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high school, actually, when Iwas in Catholic school, okay, everybody
thought I was going to be Iwas one of the you know, in
first grade, everybody wanted to bea priest or nun. You know,
that different thing. When you getto high school, it's maybe three or
four or five people in both genders, okay. And my first communion partner
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just celebrated thirty, her thirty yearjubilee as a Catholic nun, okay.
And she's a pretty powerful one.She's bigger than the accounting thing. And
heck, they called her over theVatican a couple of times for consulting that
type of thing. Okay, allright, everybody thought I was going to
be the priest, okay, inhigh school. And I can tell you
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the exact date. It was,April seventeenth, nineteen seventy. It was
the day the Paul thirteen astronauts cameback to Earth. Okay, I'm helping
out at the directory. I'd beenwashing, helping the young, the young
priest wash the cars, you knowthat type of thing, you know.
I had access to these guys assoon as I graduated from high school.
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I was going to spend the summerat a monastery up on the up in
the Finger Lakes, and I wasgoing to seminary in the fall, essentially
college. Okay, they did aside story about some starving children in Africa
as a side story away from theguys getting back safely from a Paull of
thirteen. I started crying. Iwas always in the title of the first
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chapter of my biography is the Boywho Cried. Okay. My parents wouldn't
let me go to the movies aftera certain period of time because if the
kid we were watching the dog kidhorse movie, so to speak, the
dog died, the horse got sick, whatever. I was sitting there crying
with the little girls, and myparents got embarrassed about it. Boys don't
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cry, okay, So they wouldn'tlet me go to the movies. Anymore.
As a kid, I wasn't allowedto go to the movies because I
was an embarrassment to them. Okay, So when I started going on this
idea of going into the priesthood ona good track, I was going and
we were watching this program. Istarted crying and seeing these these skeletons with
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skin and type of thing, andthe pastor with liquor on his breath,
looked at me and said, youknow, it's going to be a priest.
You're going to have to be strongerthan that. And I just tried
to roll with it, you know, not to make any waves, and
he wouldn't let it go. Wegot into a knockdown, drag out argument
and they pulled my sponsorship the nextday out Okay, figuring my life was
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over, I went. I went. I went out and joined the Air
Force as soon as I graduated fromhigh school to ship me off the boot
camp. Okay, so you getthe idea. Okay, So here's the
deal. People say, well,you got to make a man out of
yourself. I'm just sharing this forsome perspective. TRANSI trans woman individuals out
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there. Got to make a manout of yourself. So I joined a
service that was supposed to make aman out of me, and that wasn't
doing a good enough job. Iwas this squirrely little kid, and so
I volunteered for Vietnam. Who volunteersto go to a war? Okay,
I volunteer for Vietnam. I'm goingto make a man out of myself or
die trying to go ahead. Well, you literally went to reassignment boot camp,
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right like they have those those campsnow where they send people or that
did where they said try to sendpeople away conversion, not reassignment conversion in
this camp. And you were sothat was your own way. You were
voluntarily trying to to be manly,become a man, or get myself a
die trying. There's my attitude.I came back a decorated war hero.
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What a good case of PTSD andexposure to agent orange okay, which is
taking me apart now, Okay,that's why I retired from the UFO speaking,
just not healthy enough to go.So, well, you can still
do podcasts, I hope, Ohyeah, I hope. People, I
can do all the podcasts you want, but I am not. I can't
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go into the irregular schedules of flyingand the eyeball meals and all that.
VA diagnosed me with the issues relatedto agent orange fifty year old case of
PTSD as well. So all thatstuff, but that's what haunts me from
my Vietnam era. Okay, combatsoldier, Okay. And the bottom line
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is I'll give an example. Okay. My father died in twenty ten,
even up to about four months beforeI passed away. One night, I
was having dinner at his house,at my mother and father's house. My
father said, condor down the tableat the end of dinner, and he
said, your shrink should have madeyou grow a beard and chase girls.
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I said, Dad, I hidbehind a Paul Bunyan style beard all the
time I was in the Navy,for God's sakes, as first chasing girls.
I was good with that, youknow, so I still am.
You know, you got a goodone too, Yeah, and I got
a good one too. You know. Well, it's interesting earlier, you
know, because you said it's aboutthe spiritual problem. Yeah, that's what.
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But that's what other people would saythat don't support, you know,
transgender people, right, they say, well, that's why you're transgender,
because you don't you have a spiritualproblem. Don't you come to God,
come to our church, to cometo Jesus'll fix you, right, Okay,
all right, well here's the problem. That's the other problem. You
try and tell other trans people thatthis is a spiritual problem, and they
say, oh, you're gonna tellme, I'm going to hell. I
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said, so, I'm not.I'm trying to tell you what you're about.
But they most of the time theywon't listen to me. Okay,
So I gave up crying. Okay. But the bottom line is it's a
spiritual issue. Okay. We areunity beings and how we express ourselves and
what comes out of us just iswhat it is, okay. And the
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problem is is not us individuals.These kids coming out now with the non
binaries, Oh God, I cheeredthem on. The souls that are in
those bodies have said enough of thisstuff. Let's not going to like that,
like the sex side of that,because that's a very complicated issue sex
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and gender though, okay, theirgender identity or sexual identity. But the
bottom line is they are We havea spiritual apotheosis going on, I mean,
an upwelling of enlightenment, and mostof the world's religions because of their
rigid dogma. I can't see thismiracle that is happening right before for them,
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and they're criticizing it and condemning itand passing laws against it, all
this kind of thing, and theyhave no idea the miracle that is blossoming
in front of them. Well,you know, in the paranormal community and
UFO community, people talk about youknow, star children and indigo children and
these sort of ideas of the sortof evolution of a species. And so
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I figure like, well, ifyou can accept that, why can't you
accept that we're you know, there'sa cute different people here evolving in different
ways. Thank you exactly that.So I went on the next after that
native medicine guy talked to me inthe early nineties, I sort of went
on a in the court. NowI'm a high priesist, but I went
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on a private study of this wholetopic, trying to explore it from a
spiritual standpoint, a deep spiritual andwe're not talking spiritual like religion standpoint,
but from that greater view, mysticaland light mint view, okay. And
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the bottom line that I found wasthe fact that we are this unity being
okay, and this is strictly biology. In fact, I hit our argument
with some Buddhist monks when I livedin a monastery. Okay, they were
debating this thing, Chris. Theycalled me in when and what a bus
cut. They thought I was justone of the boys, okay, even
though I was under dane Buddhist nun. And they sucked me into this monastic
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debate and they're telling me all thisstuff. And they said, okay,
great, and finally said they lookedat me and they said, okay,
your turn. What do we haveto do to make Buddhism uniquely North American?
And I said, well, weneed to lose the Asian baggage first.
And they all twitched and everything,and they said, like what I
said, Well, first thing,you're not treating women like you're treating women
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like a munch property monks. Buddhistmonks are called big shoes, and the
nuns are called bikshunies. Okay.And the easy way to remember that is
big shoe sounds like big shoe,you know, so you know that's the
guy's okay, their shoe. Allright. So we're in this debate and
we're talking, and I said,first thing you do he said, we've
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got to start making the women equal. Well, would the seventh century scriptures
say, and I said, no, No, let's go back to Buddha.
Let's go back to twenty six hundredyears. Buddha ordained men and women
equally. Yeah, but they have, you know, one hundred additional vows
they have to think. I said, they have reproductive apparatus in their bodies.
They have a bigger responsibility. Itwas my argument. It was different.
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Well, so my understanding too ofBuddha was that, you know,
he did say, yes, menand women can both speak reach enlightenment.
But maybe I'm wrong, But myunderstanding of one of the translations is that
he was like, but it's harderfor women. Have you heard that before?
Yes? Okay, so do whatwhat do you think he means by
that? Is that? Does thatrelated to what you were just saying?
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Yes and no, okay, it'sharder for women because of well, give
me an example in a man andwomen's monastery. A lot of women get
ordained, but sooner or later thatinstinct to breed and to have a family
and all that stuff kind of kicksin, and it distracts them from it,
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and eventually a bunch of a lotof nuns leave, leave, the
leave the practice and their vows.Okay, here's that. The other thing
is is it's harder for them becausemen crap on them, okay, and
they have this miserable life. Yeah, I guess if you were in a
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pritriarchal society, then of course it'sgoing to be hard for you to put
the time in to reach enlightenment anddo and feel good about yourself about quieting
your mind and quditing your heart.And if you can't do that because you've
got this miserable existence, youre ahusband beats you and all this kind of
stuff, it's harder. Okay.I'll give you an example, another quick
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example. Male monasteries will say itlike in India, Okay, male monasteries
get all kinds of money thrown atthem. The women's monasteries are impoverished.
Okay. And so it's just afact of life. That's the problem with
this. Fifty one percent of thepopulation is considered lesser by most of the
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world's religions, so lack of donationsinferior. They're also considered inferior. Okay.
So that's that's that's the issue.Now, when did all this happen?
Back about five thousand years ago,We're going to say about the first
or second century BC. Okay,there was sort of like this patriarchal monotheistic
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back but when they had everybody hadgods. We had the Greek gods,
we had the Egyptian gods. I'man Egyptian priest. Hey, we have
fifteen hundred and three gods, okay, with principles about one hundred and then
there's a god for just about everythingyou can think of. Okay. Back
in ancient Egypt, before the Jewsleft Egypt, the Jews had their own
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temples and they worshiped Yell. Theyand his consort, his female consort,
a shira. Okay, I'm goingto do it like that. I know,
looks like mister Spock, but that'sthe Jewish symbol for a shira okay.
Okay. In fact, that's wherethat's where Nemoi got it from.
Okay. Oh interesting, Yeah,I mean a lot of people do forget
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about that part of the history.It's of Jews by design, it's by
design. Indiana Jones Raiders of theLost Ark Okay, a feminine presence comes
out of the ark. That's aShira. She certainly didn't have a great
attitude either. Okay, you know, no one says she didn't. You
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just said that she was there.Yeah, Okay, Now there is also
if you if you look. Thishas always puzzled me with symbology. You
had the Father's son and the HolyGhost. Okay, that bird symbol for
the Holy Ghost is a classic symbolfor goddesses. Goddesses were considered the goddesses
sky goddess. So when I didmy talk at the Unitarian Church back in
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November, not November October twenty second, I'm up there in my black clergy
dress with my with my stole on, but I've got rainbow stockings on,
and people ask me why the rainbowstockings. I said, Hey, I
work for a sky goddess. Okay, that was traditional garb, doesn't matter
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if it was Buddhist Aikinis, inIan kins, traditional goddesses. Okay,
they had rainbow in their clothing asa symbol. Sure, as a symbol.
Okay. So the Jews leave leaveEgypt, and during the forty years
of rolling wandering around in the desert, Moses goes up on a hill,
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comes back forty days later, andhe's got some stone tablets we're writing on
him. Okay. Now, whetherMoses did it himself or whether God did
it, who knows, But therewill be no other gods before me with
that first commandment? Okay, Sowhat happened there? During Exodus? They
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started destroying You see this in themovie the Ten Commandments are destroying the pagan
idols and things, right, Okay, Well, the women were worshiping a
shira, so suddenly they no longerhad a face of God for their veneration,
and the male god didn't cut itas far as they were concerned.
When you think about it, andall those shrines were destroyed. I mean,
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let me just put it there fora moment. Are we to understand
that women tended to worship a shiramore and men? What was it bowl?
Or what was that other god?Y? Okay? Right, while
bows the horned God, that's that'sseparate usage. Yeah. So were they
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kind of worshiping separately these to godsor how did that work? Well?
In Egypt there was all kinds ofgods and goddesses, but was it predominantly
women? I'm a priestess of aset or isis is the Greek translation is
I'm a priestess of a set,so you might just you gravitated to whatever
God. Those of those two peoplevenerated different different goddesses. Okay, okay,
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so here we are. Okay.Uh so what are the first one
of those early laws in the JewishBible written from Exodus? Do not suffer
sorceress to live? That's basically targetedat the women because they are still embracing
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magic and they're still embracing a femaleface of God. Move ahead up to
the Middle Ages. They quote thatconstantly, and quisations did. Okay,
And what was the biggest problem withthe Christian Christianization of Europe during the Middle
Ages was the indigenous population of womenwere still vener reading female faces of goddess
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in the tradition was yeah, okay, so this is this is what we
were up against. The women wereup against. And if you there's a
book out there called The Oh God. I'm going to drop the name now,
I'll remember it for the end ofshow. But it's a wonderful book
written by a friend of mine bythe name is Serenity Young. She's a
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professor up at Cooney up and Upstateup in the arc, and she wrote
a book about about goddesses. Oh, the women, Women who Fly.
That's the name of the book,Women who Fly by Serenity Young. I
don't strongly recommend the book, Okay. She paints a case in there of
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the fall of the goddesses. Youstarted seeing it suddenly in the Greek tradition
started talking about the goddesses coming toearth and getting married to an earthly man
and losing their powers. This typeof thing. You see it with the
German things. Broomhilda fell from thisguy and lived, got married, had
children, and could no longer dothe valkyrie stuff anymore. This is this
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is what we're talking. They literallychanged the change to status of women by
writing it into their their their mythologies. The storytellers did. Who were men?
Okay, so this is this ishow the women fell from stature.
So well, it's like saying thevict there's right history, right, the
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history exactly. So whoever is predominantwrites the history through their their eyes and
how they want people to exist,see it exactly. So. I had
somebody a long time ago say tome, it's well, you know you're
pagan women. You've got all thesegoddess. But we've we've got you've got
Mary. I said, yeah,but she doesn't have deity status as far
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as you're concerned. Yeah, shedefinitely doesn't. And she wasn't even the
one who performed the miracle it was, you know, performed upon her.
Yes. And the quick question regardingthat, so, Charles S. Marr
asks in YouTube chat, so whenyou're looking at Jesus and yahweh, where
does the feminine masculine lie there?It doesn't, It doesn't. But if
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you're Catholic, the Holy Spirit shouldThey don't talk about it. They don't
talk about it in a feminine sense. I see, Okay, they don't.
Okay, uh now let's qualify something. There's a wonderful everybody who's Catholic
knows the picture of the Virgin Marystanding there holding her son Jesus, a
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little baby Jesus right. That isan early Roman copy of a similar painting
made during Roman Egyptian times. Okay, of isis holding her son Horus.
Remember the early Christian tradition was comingtogether its traditions, and they stole a
little bit here, a little bitthere, you know, that type of
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thing. That's where this is comingfrom so it was essentially modeled off of
the pagan icon. Yes, okay, imagery got it. And and the
thing most people don't understand. I'veheard people say to me, well,
isis She's a myth? I saidshe was the predominant religion in the Mediterranean,
you know, for thousands of years. Okay, I didn't even understand
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how I got my connection to her. Nineteen ninety one day, I was
doing a circle for a public,a public demonstration circle. We were doing.
A bunch of us, were priestesses, were doing educational circles, and
I went to go make my offeringand I invoked isis and going what is
going on here? And I hadto do some research. I could not
figure it out. And then Igot my DNA done. I've got berber
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Jeans. My father told me hisside of the family descends from Portuguese and
Moorish pirates, hence the berber Jeans. I would definitely say, you have
a pirate spirit. Oh yeah,well that too. Yeah, I've been
told that many times. In fact, when I got married to Linda,
my wife, I was taken tothe altar and I was barefoot. As
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Pirate princesses were taken to the altarand I went there barefoot with the lady
who gave me away. Okay,so, okay, back to your questions.
Go ahead, we're on a rollerhere. I showed you where the
goddesses. Let's pick that up soyou know where we started with like one
BC and then moving forward. Uh, let's let's move a little bit closer
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to like the Middle Ages. Howdid it evolve like once we got rid
of the Holy Spirit? Right?Amine it? Yes? So the biggest
problem we're dealing with is how doI want to say this? Uh?
The Christianization of Europe was the problem. We can't have free thinking women.
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We have to breed them for timidity, and the ones that won't cooperate will
burn. They're witches, they're heretics. That's that's the thing. And for
two hundred almost three hundred years,that's what they did. Christianity was spread
across Europe at the point of asword and later at the of the muzzle
of a gun. Yeah, paganface, we're very organic. Certain gods
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appealed to us and resonate with us, and we connect and people say,
well, I'm a god fearing man. Is there a god fearing whoever you
know, and pagans. We lookat him and say, we don't have
that. We have a like anadult adult child parent relationship with our gods.
You know. That's that's the difference. It's it's not a bowing down
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to a reference and respect, yes, but certainly not bowing down on our
feet shivering. Right, Okay,Isis has never a set, I should
probably use her proper Egyptian name.A set has never asked that of me.
And when I showed you my badgenoticed there's a little that there's her
little symbol up there. It's official. It's official, believe me, very
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official. I happen to be thearch priesss of the Society of a Set.
But you know, just a detail, one of many details of many
details. But the whole big thingis is that it comes down to,
let me say it this way.You see all these abortion laws being passed
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by the gop okay anti abortion laws. Right, Beings that do not have
control of the reproduction are cattle arelive stock, and womenkind has been livestock
for a long time breeding stock.Well, if you think about the ages
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that women were sold off, it'slike they're sold off for like thirteen twelve,
fourteen, Like, now, wecan't even imagine that, and yet
that wasn't that was the norm becauseit was about breeding more than anything else.
Yes, certain bloodlines, particularly sellingoff a princess to the keep peace
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between two countries, that type ofthing, do your duty, that type
of thing. So this is allpart of this. So when it comes
into the spirituality side of this wholething, women's spirituality is very different to
some degree. Okay, okay,here's here's a line from my from my
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biography autobiography. Excuse me, bringback the matriarchy. The patriarchy has given
us nothing more than more than pollutionand lots of wars war after bloody war.
Women build communities. Yeah, butcan we do that without using a
title such as matriarchy or patriarchy?Can we just be a balance society where
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ideally yes, yes, yes,yes. Do you think there's a balancing
out that has to take place atfirst, like the swinging of the pendulum
sort of? Yeah, yeah,it comes down to that. You know,
I've seen certain women from certain andwe'll say, come from the Middle
East walking six pages behind their husbands. Okay, they're as much responsible for
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The Raising of the Little Boys.Oh is anybody Oh? Yeah? Okay,
So, now have you heard ofa TV series called The Power?
Nope, Ah, most people haven't. It was a number one hit on
Amazon, and it was it wasthe hardest thing to find, a non
on Amazon. On Netflix, itwas the hardest thing to find. They
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buried it because in the story ofThe Power, women started developing this like
electricity, and they could literally electrocutea man. Okay, yeah, yeah,
okay, and at the end ofthe first season an evolutionary trait or
something, because because men are physicallybigger and stronger mostly and if the hermaphrodite,
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the natural hermaphrodites, uh, theyare, they are physically mixed.
They some of them developed this poweredas well. Right, And it,
like I said, you didn't seeanybody writing up rave reviews. You did.
It was the best kept secret onNetflix this past summer. You're gonna
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have to look look this up.It's called The Power, The Power,
okay, okay, And it's basedon a book, and uh, it's
really really, really quite interesting.And all the women I've talked to who
have seen who have seen it,go get them girls. Fry his ass.
You know that kind of thing.Jingis Khan and Chad says, oh,
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yeah, I started that series.Let us know how it goes,
Gingus, I'm definitely gonna check itout. It's it's it's wonderful. We
know. The interesting thing about thisperiod and in all periods up until modern
time, is that there there were, you know, these kind of exceptions.
So like, I don't know why, you know, and I'm not
a big believer necessarily a reincarnation,but I wonder was I around this person
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in that period, And that's whyI have a fascination, but a particular
fascination with Hildegard von Bingen. Sheyou know, this is like around eleven
hundred. She was a polymath andinstead of being married off, what happened
to women back then is like theywould be given to the church with a
dowry essentially, but the dowry wasactually protected. So the woman going into
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the church, you know, typicallya young girl, teenager, you know,
to be a nun or you know, whatever the term was at the
time, they would actually have somesay in how their money could be used.
So she was a genius polymath.She painted, she wrote hymns and
songs, some of the most beautifulfrom the dark ages. And she was
a mathematician, brilliant, but shewas also a brilliant politican too, and
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she could really work the system andmake deals. And there was one time
where people were so upset with her. Uh per second, or you know,
I forget what it's called where theyall lived together community community. Yeah,
there's there's a name for it.But it'll come back to me.
And she went directly to the bitchap bishop and I was like, look,
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you can make these changes, andI'm going to leave with my dowry,
you know. And and they said, okay, fine, fine,
fine, fine, you can stay, you know. And and and there
were there were women, women whowere smart and powerful and figured out ways
to make a way for themselves.But in reality that was that was the
exception. Agreed to the rule.Now I have I have people in this
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lifetime, okay. One of thethings I developed during the course of the
seven years I was actually in myserious mindush, I'm okay. There's two
traditions in Tibetan orthodox tradition Pedun Savavacame there twelve hundred years ago and taught
to Shamans. Buddhist technology not reallyreligion. It's more of a technology philosophy
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type of thing. Everybody thinks it'sa religion. Yeah, okay. He
taught it to the Shamans and theytook it forth. Now, so in
Orthodox there's four great traditions of Buddhismin Tibet. Three of them have monks
and nuns and have lay people.The Orthodox tradition has monks and nuns.
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It's called the Suture tradition. Andthen they also have tantric tradition, which
is what they call the Yoginis.And I'm an ordained Yoghini in fact,
that was given that ordination before Ibecame a nun, okay. And so
in the course of which I workedon trying to touch other times in my
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previous life, okay, and Imade a lot of connections, about fifty
sixty of them over the period ofseven well since since the nineties, late
nineties, probably about fifty sixty ofthem. I was being interviewed in early
twenty eleven with a monastery with asmall monastery, women run monastery up in
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Vancouver, British Columbia, Vancouver,Canada, Okay, and the senior nun
needed somebody who was off as savvy, and I was a senior staffer at
JAKID, So I took a weekand flew up there and spent a week
with her. Her and her congregationloved me. They wanted me to come
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and stay there. Okay. Oneday the two of us were at a
She took me to a museum,nor Northwest museum type of thing, and
we were there and during during partof the thing, we saw these little
figurines for Japan and a couple ofthem were geishaus. And I said to
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her, I said, Leah,I believe I was a Geisha at one
time. And she looked at mepoint blank, and she's got ten fifteen
years on me, and she says, yeah, we were in Uku.
We were in an obie in Yukuzka, and this was what your name was.
And she told me, now Iunderstand why while all my friends are
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running around getting tattoos, why Idon't. Okay. Principal reason was some
of the military work I do.It was kind of frowned on, okay,
okay, But me personally, whenI was out from underneath those restrictions
was I was tattooed significantly in thatlifetime, and it bloody hurts. Okay,
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well, especially how it was doneback. Oh yeah, right,
yeah, I have one tattoo thatI got when I was forty years old
as a gift to myself, andyou know, it's stung, but I'm
sure it's nothing like you guys.You guys have right, let me give
you back then had to go through. Did you hear the announcement in the
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news. A couple of this pastweek, China has come out and told
its women have more babies. That'sthat's crazy. Well, they did it
to themselves, they did it themselves. But Japan has a similar problem.
Women just decided I'm not going toget married and I have kids. Yeah,
(42:36):
yeah, well that's happening here too. It's been happening here too.
This is again we don't like Hughwas patriarch and matriarchy, but this is
a subliminal pushback from the patriarchy.That's interesting. That's that's very interesting.
So yeah, there's almost a collectiveunconsciousness movement in a way you think you
(43:00):
should be. Are you a socialpsychologist as well? No, I'm married
to one. Okay, there yougo, there you go. She's got
a degree in psychology, so That'sinteresting because you know, we always wonder,
right, we always wonder why certaintrends and things happen the way they
are. And sometimes I do thinkthat there is that sort of unconscious collective
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consciousness that shifts, you know,us in directions where we need to go
for whatever reason the one's telling usto do it, It just sort of
happens organically. I've got a witchcraftclass i'm teaching right now. We started
out with fifty sixty people. We'redown to about twenty seven, which is
about what I would expect. Afterabout four months, people you think,
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what this isn't for me, ornow this is too hard, you know
whatever, there's a whole wondery listof reasons why they drop out. So
we're getting down to the meat ofthe people who are still in the class,
which is what I really like.We've got the people who've got the
staying power. And one of thethings that came up and guess what,
I just had that seventy one momenthere and I just drew a complete blank.
(44:08):
But that's okay, I'm gonna insertthis really quick. So Jingis Khan
said, my grandma from Singapore wassupposed to have an arranged marriage. However,
she was already in love and ranoff with her choice and basically cut
ties to her parents to do so, my family's dead to me. Yeah,
okay, so you know that's that'sthat's a very hard thing to deal
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with, and I spent a lotof time on a therapiscous working through it.
Final all it takes all takes hislove, man, you know.
But but some people, the societyhas trained them in a certain way,
or in my own personal experience,narcissist. That's a that's a much.
I don't know if that's genetic,what makes narcissist a true narcissists, but
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it's like nothing you can do aboutit, and they can't get to that
place of acceptance and love and youjust have to have to let go somehow.
It's not that easy, though,I can tell you. And they
don't, they don't they some peoplejust are unwilling to examine it and discuss
true. Right. There are certainfamilies my mother said of the family,
it's all Irish and Northern Irish toboot. You know, boy, that
(45:15):
went over went over like crap.When I was in Catholic school, because
I'm Saint Petro's Day. Mom sentme to school with the orange shirt versus
the green shirt because we were NorthIrish. You know, Oh, that
didn't go over well. But butbut the point is is that there's some
rigidity in society. It won't letgo of certain things and at least entertain
(45:38):
a variant or a different approach toit. And it's either right or it's
wrong. Look, I mean agood example is, you know, certain
religions have had to adapt because theywould be they would crumble because the collective
society is moving in the direction theydon't accept that they will die, you
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know. And and human evolution,which includes us as a collective, is
about evolution and adaptation. That's that'show we survive as a species. Agreed,
If you told me ten years ago, I would even as a priestess,
I would do hand fastings, whichisn't like a ceremonial wedding. But
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I didn't have any authority under thestate to solemnize their marriage. Okay,
if you'd told me that, Iwould be now licensed by the state of
Ohio to marry people because I'm thepagan. When the pagan chaplain at this
U U church, I would havewanted a case of whatever you were drinking,
right, because I didn't ever foreseeI did not foresee that happening.
(46:51):
Shell your froze. Are you stillthere? Yep, I'm here. Can
you hear me? Okay? Areyou there? Not me? Not me?
(47:22):
Not me? Okay, I thinkwe're back. Yeah, I think
froze on your end, Both ofus froze. I'm not sure what happened
there. Well, we do havea lot of sun spot activity going on
(47:43):
right now and it does affect satellites, so we did. And you know,
we don't live in the New YorkCity center anymore, so you know,
connections aren't always as strong as gosh. No, we're further than the
burbs, further out, yeah,okay, surrounded by lots of green beautiful
though. We're in the last tenminutes, so cut the chase and whatever
you want to do it. Ithink the bottom line on it is is
(48:08):
that the faiths that have opened upand allowed women to become clergy. Okay
again, if you had told mea year ago that I would be giving
a sermon in a mainstream church wearingmy witch hat, I wouldn't have believed
it. Growing up, No,I wouldn't have either. But but that's
(48:31):
that's that's the way things are going. They're they're there there there some faiths
are embracing people other other people,and so where does the balance and all
this come into come into play?You know what? Uh, you know,
I'm going back and you know,the witch hunter hunts and and all
(48:51):
that sort of thing kind of suppressingyou know what we're predominantly you know,
localized more pagan a mystic belief systemsby women. They were forced to no
longer you know, an act.And even just erbology right like orbology was
(49:12):
considered like a witchcraft or something likethat. So all these skills until men
read this later medieval century men discoveredit and that became medicine. You know.
Well, okay, so like alot of that knowledge was lost,
and that's what I wonder, like, what do you think what did we
lose? I mean, yes,now, like you go on Instagram and
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there's a million metaphysical accounts and paganaccounts and people you know, uh you
know, with their apothecaries and theirtheir spells and things that they share,
and I think it's so cool becausethat was lost for a long time.
What did we do you think welost that we can never get back,
though we've had a renaissance, atleast from the pagan view standpoint. Okay,
(50:00):
started with Gerald Gardner back in thefifties when they took certain laws off
the books. Okay, And itwas the wicked tradition that he propagated back
in the fifties. It was sortof a subculture at that time. But
when it got into the sixties andseventies with the growth of the women's movement
(50:20):
looking for a non patriarchal based viewof deity. Hence it blossomed, and
by the eighties things were really rolling. You had people like Starhawk and Margo
Adler putting out really substantive books.That type of thing. So that's where
the blossoming. They took the lawand the sting and the risk of being
(50:43):
thrown in jail for being a witchoff the books. That's what was enacted
during medieval times, during inquisition times, that type of thing. They took
these laws. Now, I'll giveyou a quick example though, even though
a lot of the books were throttleddown in the eighteenth century, they stopped
doing witch trials that type of thing. A lot of the books, laws
(51:07):
stayed on the books. So inEngland and during World War Two, there
was a medium over there that wasmaking very accurate predictions about stuff that wasn't
being publicly told to the public bythe events in mi industry. So concerned,
the intelligence officials became concerned that ifshe blabbed about D Day, the
(51:30):
cat would be out of the bag. So they used a still active piece
of the seventeen thirty five witchcraft deckto throw her into solitary confinement until after
D Day. Right, okay,And rather than rather than reaching out to
her like we did later in thesixties and say hey, can you help
(51:52):
us? Okay, let's go stepfurther. In nineteen ninety one, one
of my students, she was aclergy student. She was going through training,
going through training, and she wasin the middle of a divorce.
Her husband's lawyer and him were makingno progress in divorce court. So finally
(52:15):
they come in and they threw outthe witch card. Of course, the
judge left them out of court.Yeah, okay, but because of that
it got on the books. I'min court records being her high priestess.
Okay, all right. About ayear later, this guy from ABC uh,
to our the two hour movies,the movie the week kind of guy
(52:36):
reaches out to me, He says, hey, could you introduce me to
a lady who had that problem withthe with a husband who tried to use
the old witchcraft laws that you know, that type of thing to turn the
divorce in his favor. And Ijust looked at the guy and says,
come to dinner Friday night. I'llintroduce you to a dozen of them.
(52:57):
And they came, he came,and they burned his zeros off, you
know, with their stories. Soeven in nineteen ninety, nineteen ninety one
time grame, this was still anissue. Yeah, yeah, And obviously
there's pockets that's still an issue today. And that's why we're talking. We're
having these conversations because there's overall spiritualitymetaphysics. But then we're all different individuals,
(53:23):
you know, we all experience lifethrough a slightly different lens, and
so I think it's healthy to havethose discussions, you know, about whether
it's about you know, life afterdeath or life here now, you know,
how can we look back and seewhat made us believe what we believe?
(53:44):
And I really appreciate tonight's discussion cheryls. So we've got a couple of
minutes left. If you can leaveus with a final thought anything, what
would it be? Well, okay, everybody's sisters one God? Okay,
three guys and one but one God? All right, fine, Okay.
I was I represented a particular countyon the County Ministerial Association. I came
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in a black clergy shirt with agreen collar like a priest, okay,
but green. And they started askingme questions, well do you people have
a God? And I said,hey, we've got God's by the bushel.
Okay, we're not short. Don'tworry about us. And they said
what do you mean? I said, hey, the Greek said thirty one
hundred, the Egyptians fifteen hundred.You talked to my Hindu friends, and
(54:30):
there was Hindu priests right across fromyou in the table at this meeting,
and I said, they got thirtythree million. Yeah. Yeah, yeah.
So the deal is is there areadvanced beings out there that probably a
long time ago, were human,but they evolved spiritually to do you a
(54:52):
fixed state. Okay, okay.So so my argument to my tank got
with that conversation, don't worry there'splenty of faces of God for everybody.
Right, Well, hey, thereare tens of thousands of years, if
not hundreds or millions of years ofhuman or human like thinking beings before the
(55:15):
written six thousand years ago traditions thatwe that we have, So, I
mean, who knows what could havehappened back then? Right? The deal
is, I tell everybody just openyour heart, and if somebody sinks to
you, you know, and invitesyou to come talk to them, do
don't let them in. Don't inviteanybody into yourself. But if you think
(55:38):
on it, particularly if you comefrom a certain heritage or something like this,
go to the library, not online. Don't go online, go to
a paper library and research the historyof the lineages that you have in your
DNA. You may find you're connectedto a particular pantheon. It okay,
(56:00):
sure, what do you think aboutus possibly living in a not like a
computer as we understand it, buta but a sort of kind of simulation,
Oh like sim life, that kindof thing, Yeah, like a
matrix life. Oh that's scary.And you know what's funny is it feels
that way. But I talked tothe you of full people, and some
(56:22):
of the remote viewing people. Theysay, our planet is a prison planet.
And the way they keep us confinedhere is by forcing every time our
physical body dies, they keep forcingour soul back into another physical body.
And that's what keeps us contained here. You know, So that that that
would create, well, that wouldbe a sort of matrix then a yes,
a constructed reality. Yes, butif you look at it from like
(56:47):
a Buddhist view, Okay, Itell people, says, hey, this
body's wearing out like an old car. I'm going to get a new one.
Yeah, Okay, I'm going tobe reborn again. I'll come back
okay, and of a certain levelof spiritual enlightenment that I'm going to remember
not so much who this person was, but I'll remember the knowledge that was
(57:13):
acquired. Okay, Because once,once the Lama introduced me to some of
this stuff and I started doing it. I made a set of robes.
He looked at when he saw therobes, he said, hmm, you
made those by yourself? No pattern? I said, yeah. He says,
how do you know how to makea nineteenth century cut? Okay?
(57:34):
The knowledge was there there interesting,and so if you think about it,
we're connected to our pass. Ifyou're willing to turn the phone off,
turn off the football game and dosome quiet time, do some quiet meditation,
clear your consciousness, become quiet inyour mind, be alone with your
thoughts. You'd be surprised what informationbubbles up within you. It's so true.
(57:59):
Cheryl, thank you so much forjoining you tonight. I love our
conversation as always for everybody listening.Her most popular book right now is Magical
Musings of a Rogue, which that'sit right there on screen. Go check
it out. It's on Amazon,self published. Cheryl Yes, number one
seller in twenty twenty three against fiftysixty UFO books. That was the number
(58:21):
one seller. Who knew it alwayscomes back to the UFOs anyway. So
all right, Cheryl, thank youso much. I'm really happy to have
you on. Please send Linda,my wife and I you know, on
this and love to you both.Go by now, Okay, good night,
and thank you everybody for joining us. Really appreciate you. And if
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