Joining me is high-strangeness phenomena investigator, Michele Meiners. Michele s a Native American representing a blend of three Native American cultures - The Navajo, Chippewa, and Pawnee Nations. We discussed her own contact experiences after crossing a line in the Uinta Basin where she suddenly felt the energy change, and entering what she describes as a vortex. We also discussed Bigfoot and Dire Wolf encounters. It turns out, yes, Bigfoot do have an intense aroma. Michele believes that a communion between spirits (or entities) and Native Americans has always existed.
Michele's unique heritage makes her a welcome advisor and partner on Native projects. Michele excels at investigating leading-edge technologies and the interplay of multiple solutions within a single project. Michele will be a featured speaker at the upcoming CONTACT IN THE DESERT. https://contactinthedesert.com/
She is a dedicated Entrepreneur who has held positions in growing businesses that expanded her business portfolio in Agricultural technology, including water technologies. She has partnered with Pure Life-International and as CEO of Progressive Global Solutions LLC, she has partnered with Alaska Pacific Partners LLC. Michele has empowered individuals all around the globe as an entrepreneur and has served on several boards on behalf of Native American education scholarships programs. In recent years she has spent 6 years in the Uinta Basin investigating Native American Culture and its correlations to phenomenal occurrences.
This has led to partnering with Dr Jim Segala on the (MUPAS Project, Unidentified Phenomenon Tracking portal). Her experiences with phenomenal anomalies in Basin have led to investigations with Native American occurrences to her culture. Michele has appeared on such TV shows Courtesy of Weather Channel (Uncharted Adventures) Episode 8, exploring the Uinta Basin and its unique cultural representations to Cosmos and its energy centers. Her experiential experiences concerning the phenomena that are so infamous in the Uinta Basin, has spurred to continue the investigations linking her cultural and anomalous characteristics of the Basin.
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Michele's unique heritage makes her a welcome advisor and partner on Native projects. Michele excels at investigating leading-edge technologies and the interplay of multiple solutions within a single project. Michele will be a featured speaker at the upcoming CONTACT IN THE DESERT. https://contactinthedesert.com/
She is a dedicated Entrepreneur who has held positions in growing businesses that expanded her business portfolio in Agricultural technology, including water technologies. She has partnered with Pure Life-International and as CEO of Progressive Global Solutions LLC, she has partnered with Alaska Pacific Partners LLC. Michele has empowered individuals all around the globe as an entrepreneur and has served on several boards on behalf of Native American education scholarships programs. In recent years she has spent 6 years in the Uinta Basin investigating Native American Culture and its correlations to phenomenal occurrences.
This has led to partnering with Dr Jim Segala on the (MUPAS Project, Unidentified Phenomenon Tracking portal). Her experiences with phenomenal anomalies in Basin have led to investigations with Native American occurrences to her culture. Michele has appeared on such TV shows Courtesy of Weather Channel (Uncharted Adventures) Episode 8, exploring the Uinta Basin and its unique cultural representations to Cosmos and its energy centers. Her experiential experiences concerning the phenomena that are so infamous in the Uinta Basin, has spurred to continue the investigations linking her cultural and anomalous characteristics of the Basin.
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To Mystic Lounge with Alan B.Smith rebroadcast on the on X Network Thursdays
at eleven pm Pacific, Fridays attwo a m. Eastern. However you
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are and whenever you are, welcome, good souls the Mystic Lounge. This
is Alan B. Smith. You'regrateful host. Thank you so much for
joining us tonight. I'm really excited. My guest is Michelle Miners, a
Native American representing a blend of threeNative American cultures, the Navajo, Chippewa,
and Pawny nations. Her unique heritagemakes her a welcome adviser and partner
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on Native projects, and we'll bediscussing her investigations, particularly in the U
Went to basin finding connections between strangenomina and Native American culture. Michelle will
be a featured speaker at the upcomingContact in the Desert, So that's pretty
cool. If you're going, youare lucky. If you're not going,
maybe consider going to Contact in theDesert. I won't be able to make
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specific time on Thursdays. And nowwe'll welcome Michelle Miner. Michelle, Welcome
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to Parano Mystical Lounge. How areyou? Yeah, thank you Allen for
having me on. Yeah, thankyou so much. I really appreciate I'm
very excited because the Uinta Basin isa very mysterious land, and you have
been kind of living in that mysteryand doing your own correlations and investigations into
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what kind of strange happenings are occurringthere. So can you tell us a
little bit about who you are andyour background had to got into investigating this
in the first place. Well,it's a really interesting story and a journey.
I always look at things as journey. That Native American path is we
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all have a life's journey. Andhow I got into the Uinta Basin.
I was asked to do a project. I'm in the agricultural industry hydroponics,
and a friend of mine had justpurchased a ranch there. I wanted to
know what the highest and best usefor the land was, and because of
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certain stipulations that existed with the realestate aspect of it, we were not
allowed to put or dig on theland. So instead I helped manage the
ranch for a little bit. Andright away, as I would make visits
to the ranch inn he went tobasin, things started to happen. And
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I wasn't really interested in you phonologyand paranormal experiences, although as a young
girl I always had some paranormal butit was usually family members. In according
to our Native American spiritual way,we were able to investigate and see,
you know, the paranormal in theas a girl of just one of being
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given a message to me from myancestors, and so that was basically I
was not interested in this topic atall. And as I would make consequent
visits to this particular ranch, thingsstarted to happen, and you know,
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right away, and it was morewith the energy there. The energy is
you drive through a two and ahalf hour drive from the Salt Lake Valley
to the un To Basin. There'sa distinct energy that exists as you cross
over. I call it the boundaryand and I will kind of emphasis what
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this is a little bit later.But I started to feel this weird energy.
And so when I would go tothis project, you know, we
would just make some you know,just basically make sure the ranch was working
well and things were taken care of. And right away I started having these
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experiences with the energy. And onesuch occasion was I was caught up in
a vortex of energy and my mindwas going somewhere, and I could see
the two other people that were withme. They were caught up in the
same vortex, and we started tosee things within that vortex. And this
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is probably my third visit with theranch hands that were living there on the
site. What was so interesting aboutthat experiences. I started to visually see
things, and then yet I wasspinning in the same vortex with these individuals,
and what I was seeing is Iwas seeing a Native American woman all
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in her regalia, where the otherthing is the other two participants were seeing
something completely different. And then thevoice came to me that I would be
okay. I felt like it wasgoing somewhere else. And then I heard
a voice that don't worry, You'llbe okay. And immediately this one gentleman
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put his hand on my shoulder andit brought me back back and it grounded
me. Yes, I was.It was a bit nauseated, and I
ran out the front door and Ithought this had this incident had lasted hours.
It felt like hours, and itonly was within a ten minute experience
that I had this and out there, and then we came in and started
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talking about it, started talking abouttheir position of what they saw, and
they were seeing things too, theywere being told different things. So in
the end, rather than you know, missing time being you don't know what
happened and suddenly two hours are gonefor you, it was almost inverted.
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It was it was like ten minutes, it felt like a really long time.
It did. It did, andso we really didn't want to talk
about the situation because we didn't understandit. We never had that experience.
And as time went on, Icontinued to come and I do check up
on the site. Now managers andincidences would start to happen. The energy
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when I would go over the boundarywhich I spoke of earlier. You know,
as you're driving pause you went tobase, and there would I would
fallow right asleep. It would justknock me out right in the car.
I had somebody else driving me,and then I would all of a sudden,
within maybe twenty minutes, I wouldjust wake up. So I wasn't
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used to the energy zone that thatexists there in the un To Basin,
right. It took a lot outof me. Well, I mean,
what what is distinct about the energyLike your normal everyday life. Do you
normally pick up on variations and energyand we're in different areas or is this
just one anomalous experience. Well,no, I have been up in the
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un To Basin, like I said, for six years, and there are
significant energy zones, and I likecalling them energy zones that exist up there,
and they're strategically there. And I'lltalk a little bit about this.
You went to based an anomalous phenomenonstudy that we're doing and trying to detect
some of these zones, these energyzones. Some are positive and some are
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not. Some are negative, Andat this point I was experiencing as a
negative and such. So it wasan interesting few experiences as of immediately,
and then it was like it happenedin phases and I felt like very welcomed.
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I felt the energy was very intact, could feel I started to feel
like I was home. I washome on that rant. Yeah, yeah,
that was the energy, even thoughI had this experience of being in
a vortex. Then on subsequential visit, I just started to feel like I
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was home. And it was likeit all went in phases, and as
time went on, you know,I started to see orbs giant, orbs
um just different phenomena. And Iactually stayed in evening there at this particular
ranch and was visited and this isa different Yeah, this is a different
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night that I had come down tothe ranch and decided connected to the same
vortex experience or no, No,it was a different It was a different
visit. But on that that firstvisit, it was very we didn't want
to talk about it. We didn'tknow what was happening. I didn't even
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know what this was. I was. I was so unaware of these types
of energies that existed out in theworld, or you know, it was
a very anomalous experience and then twoexperiences were from the same source as it
were. Or that's a good question, Alan, because I'm not sure.
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I've never really saw it in thatway. In fact, to be honest,
you know, as I experienced thesethese particular anomalies on that ranch,
I think there was a lot morethan just one source. I think there
were many, many, many stories, is fanboy. That's really interesting because
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you know, all the conversations wehear about that that region, it seems
to me you kind of get thisgeneralization that there's like some unified something that's
going on there, even though there'sall these various weird things like giant wolves
and uh, you know, skinwalkersand things like this. You know,
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but now you're thinking that maybe it'sa different source. So when you say
vortex, what what do you Whatis that? Like? What is that
to you? How do you describethat experience? Well? I describe it
as a vortex is an anomaly withinnature that occurs. You know, there's
there's meridian lines that occur on ourearth, you know, that provide access
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to energy, and I think oncein a while nature has a way of
performing out of its zone, youknow, kind of unnatural energy source.
And what we've encapsulated with that isthe vortex has certain things that that can
mess with our minds or body ifwe interact with it. Could be even
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even we see so vortex like it'slike you're getting pulled into something it is.
Yes, yes, and and sometimesthere's some damaging effects to that too
as well. Have you experienced damagingeffects from I have? I have radiation
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Okay, so I've had radiation issues. Yeah, we've heard this sort of
thing before. Okay, so doyou categorize that as a negative experience?
Well, I kind of guess atthe time my memory of that. Yes,
of course it is because it startsto affect your your bodily health.
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You know, I was having stomachissues, I was having pain in my
necks and you know other body parts. There were things I just couldn't sleep
at night. There were other effectsto it, and I have to take
care of a medically as well.Oh, my own is this. I
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don't know how experience you are withother paranormal type encounters like ghosts and spirits
and things like that. Is thisdistinct in your mind from from those types
of encounters. Yes, but there'salways correlation to everything that we're experiencing in
the in the un to basin,there is a correlation to all of it.
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And the correlation I'm trying is,yes, you have a you have
an energy zone that that pulls youin, and then all of a sudden
you start to see uphology UFOs.You start to see things. I saw
the dire Wolf, I've seen shadowsof skinwalkers. I've been visited, you
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know. And in my mind atthat time, that was a little bit
out there. That was a littlefringy for me because yeah, yeah,
yeah, would anybody like to hearmy story? And I And that's where
mentally it was a hard time forpeople to hear my story because there is
a there's a belief, you know, are you on drugs? Are you
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drinking? Are you smoking weird stuff? I don't do any of that.
That's that's just not my character.And yeah, I was having these experiences.
Yeah, the second encounter, whatwas that? Was it a something
like an extraterrestrial? Was it somethinglike a encrypted? It was it was
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extraterrestrial And the room that I wassleeping in I had This is very this
is kind very difficult to talk about. Two entities that came to me during
the night and whether through telepathy,esp. You know, they asked me
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to work with them, and forsome reason, my higher spirit said no.
I denied them. I said no, I'm not interested in this,
and I'm going to say it aliveon it. It was a Reptilian race
and I said no. Wow,what was it intimidating? No, that
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was what was really interesting. Itwasn't an intimidating. It was shocking.
It was I wasn't paralyzed, Iwasn't scared. I was just like,
no, It's just like I feltprotected. I felt like my higher spirit
was speaking to them as opposed tomy conscious level, and I was fully
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awake. By the way, Yeah, is there something in particular about your
state of mind, your higher spiritas you put it, that allowed you
to say no and to feel protected. Is there anything that you've done or
anything you've developed within yourself that youfeel helped you? Well? I think,
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you know, I'm a spiritual person, and I also do believe in
meditation and prayer, and in thatsuch state, I also believe that prayer
was probably the antidote for me notto feel disenchanted about the situation. You
know, having come from a religiousbackground, I no longer practice, but
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coming from that religious background, prayerhas always been a part of my life.
And so I think I've recognized thatthe paranormal of being a young girl
experiencing things from my ancestors didn't quiteshocking. But when you see these entities,
you're shocked because you haven't seen thembefore. You're not used to seeing
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this type of species. So theseencounters just kept coming and coming. Or
everything that is known about the UnaBasin I was experiencing. And what period
of time was all this taking place. This was taken place, I think
do believe it was two thousand andsixteen, and things started to you know,
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this individual purchase this ranch, andyou know, so we were asked
to come and do certain things onthere and assisting in the management of the
area. And I was starting tohave these experiences of things I'd never had
experiences with before, and one ofthem was identifying u A followed UFOs UAPs.
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Excuse me, because I know there'sa different classification system going on right
now, so these UAPs UFOs,I'm totally fine with UFO. I think
we should stick with UFO. Idon't think I don't think it's going anywhere.
I think we all and we allknow what that means. In fact,
I remember seeing Neil de grass Tysonrecently in an interviewer saying, yeah,
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UFO, UAP same thing, andit is it really is. Yeah,
it's scientifically based behind that, yeahclassification. Yeah. So do you
think that that reptilian that you hadexperienced has anything to do with those the
UFOs that we see in the sky. Possibly? You know, um,
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you know there there there are manyexperiences that I've had on that particular ranch.
Nothing landed ever. You know.I took a group out there one
time and we had an experience witha big UFO about eleven of us and
it appeared and then two of themcame pretty close to the ranch and through
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telepathy esp whatever you want to callit, they started communicating with us.
And that was a very very interestingnight because we were working, we had
night goggle glasses on our vision onus and we could see the paranormal.
It was just a magical night.And it was a correlation. I was
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going to go ahead, head no, no, good, No, it
was just I was noticing a correlationbetween the paranormal the u UFOs, the
lore of different things that have beenin the Unto basin and talked about.
Um, what was really even highstrangeness there was the the the lizards,
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the rabbits were coming up to usand allowing us to touch them. This.
Yeah, it sounds very it soundsvery wonderland, right it was that
night. Yeah, it was aChris October night. That is that's so
funny. Um, so you're usingthe word like magical. Is that the
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right word if we're dealing with theseyou know, non human intelligences. Well,
the only reason why I used thatword in this moment, in that
experience is because it it was amagical night. It was a very positive,
you know, experience with eleven peopleand not one of us had a
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cell phone, which I found thatwas a little bit interesting. We had
no recording devices, and I justkind of got the feeling that they knew
that that's why they were making thesituations the way it was. I've always
I've always suspected that because that's oneof the things we hear, you know,
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debunkers say, well, well we'vegot millions and millions of phones in
people's hands, now, how comewe're not catching these things and up close
and a good video. And itseems to me that if they are hundreds,
if not thousands of years advanced inUS, they am sure they know
who has a device and who doesn'thave a device. Yeah, it's yeah,
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And I to be honest, Ihave captured a lot on my cell
phone. And what's really interesting,there's another story. And I'm kind of
going through timelines very quickly here forthe sake of time in the audience.
But we did capture twenty four photosof an eight foot entity on this project.
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We were working on. One eveningwe ran back to eight to ten
foot entity and I will be talkingabout that at contact of the desert,
and we lost the footage because theywiped out the digital camera were wiped out.
I caught one. I was inmy mind. I felt that I
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was told by my spirit take aphoto real quickly. And there were three
of us who witnessed that, andwe lost all the photos. And I
have the original USB drive in mypossession and it's completely black, and so
I have talked, I'm sorry it'sblack or blank black completely. We actually
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saw its gimming across the black.It was digitalized. It was it reminds
me of the movie Contact. Idon't know if the Jody Foster where they're
like, oh, she didn't recordanything, it's not real. But then
I like, wait a minute,we actually have eighteen minutes of static,
you know for them. Yeah,yeah, whatever was yeah yeah. So
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you guys sounds like you had thesame kind of experience. Um, yeah,
okay, So how do you presentthat to a skeptic? How do
you say to a skeptic? IsI have one why you should believe me?
Yeah? I have one photo thatI captured and it was a distinct
alien species that a particular of reptilian, and over time it has morphed,
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and inside that morphing was a beautifulwoman's face. And there's a dream attached
to that too, of the revelationof why that photo did what she did.
So are you going to share thatphoto at at Contact in the desert?
I am. I have that andit and you know, it's really
interesting how these photos usually don't comeout as clear and pixelated, you know,
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So I'm going to I did thebest clean up job that I could,
sure, but it's more about thestory behind it, And you know,
it's my story. It's my experience, and you know, to others
who are not understanding or are skepticswho have never seen anything like this,
you know, according to what youjust ask right now, you know,
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how how do you know? Howdo you know if you had never had
that experience? But I did havethe experience, and I'm just telling the
story, and you get to decide, right, But you do have a
photo. Can you can you distinguishan outline of a figure in the photo?
Or yeah, I can't she Icall her as she now because that's
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what it's more. But um,they're to the side, to the left
side of that photo. And Ishould have sent you something here. Um
is the eye of the looks likethe reptilian costume. You know. She
told me it was a biomechanical suit, okay, and it because our atmospheres
too dance for them to existence.So they were these biomechanical suits, and
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like our astronauts, they put ona uniform to protect their their their physicalness,
their bodies. And so in thatdream, that's what she was letting
me know, is you know.And so the high strangeness of all of
this is the fact that you know, she was communicating through to me through
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dreams, and this is a NativeAmerican practice. We get our answers through
dreams. Do you when you getanswers through dreams, are you doing work
beforehand or is it just kind ofcome? For instance, are you meditating?
Are you praying? Are you doingany kind of ritual to when you
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have a question right and you wantan answer? Is that? Are you
doing that work beforehand and then somethingcomes to you in a dream? You
know, that's a great question.I'm always constantly cleansing myself through Native American
procedures, you know, medicine,and our medicine is our stage. So
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I say to myself, I sayprayer, I offer tobacco and corn pollen.
You know, just the Native Americantraditional ways and prayer is is very,
very a deep way to prepare forthose questions. But you know,
some of this stuff comes randomly.Are they coming from? For instance,
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it seems to me this being extraterrestrial, if you will, is communicating through
your dream when you're doing these practicestraditionally, well, who's coming to your
dream to give you answers? Isit spirits? Is it some kind of
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divine entity? What is it?Generally, it's through visualization of things that
are applicable to things that I understand. Symbolism mostly okay, but if someone
is something bringing that symbolism to youinto the dream, like a spirit guide
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or something like that. I havebeen told through people who have given me
spiritual blessings that I have a NativeAmerican woman who watches over me, and
sometimes I feel like maybe her presenceor even ancestors from my culture our present.
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So and one thing I didn't denotehere is I am Pawnee Indian.
We are the Skadi, and theSkadi were the only clan that held the
star charts, and we are theones. Our elders were the ones that
taught us how to do agriculture orto place our homes, and we did
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it through the stars and the stars. The direction was the Polaris system and
that today it was called the Coroniaborealis. That's what we how we looked
at the stars. So we arehighly spiritual star people. And we have
recorded our charts on buffalo skins tanbuffalo skins, and there's one that sits
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in the Chicago Museum that's been preservedstar charts. Yeah, and there are
very few today that are being taughtabout the medicine, which are about the
four stars and the moon and theSun are the creators there are in that
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tradition, in that history, canyou garner anything that informs your understanding of
what's going on in the You wentto Basin? Well, you went to
Basin is a very interesting um landbecause first of all, the dinosaurs are
there. You've got natural uranium that'soccurring um It's in a kind of a
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bowl shaped type of environment. Andthere's when I've noticed during the seasons when
the polarity of the planet changes,the energy changes in the you went to
Basin, and there are times inseason where more occurrences of these uphology siety
other sightings. You know, I'mnot I don't really talk a lot about
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the skin Walker because our belief systemsas Navajos, but there is that lore
that has gotten around which designates alot of the reservation, but we don't
like talking about it because we don'twant to call it in. And what's
really interesting about that polarity shift,So there's an energy that change and shifts
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through those seasons. And there wereother things that happened in the past with
the atomic energy bombs, that wereblown up, those those jet streams still
comes through, and there's a lotof things we're trying to study, is
why there's negative and positive energies,why people get sick, and why people
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get well. There are high incidencesof medical issues in the decent So I
don't know that are sure that thatare an anomalous compared to the average.
Okay, And if you had experiencedradiation, I would imagine someone who gets
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you know, continual exposure would certainlybecome sick. But is it continuous exposure?
I mean, when these things happenwhere people get like a radiation burn
or a headache or whatever it is, are they Is it because there's some
constant flow of energy or whatever itmight be, or are these kind of
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like do they come in waves andblips? I think they come in waves
and blips. I think it's whereyou live too, up there in Altamont
area. It's been known that thejet string comes through there, and there's
a lot of people who miscarriage theirchildren, you know, in infancy there's
a high rate of gall bladder disease. Cancer. Yeah, So going into
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this doctor Sigala and I started.We got together because I needed some answers
as to what I was experienced froma mind body situation, and we started
the Unta Basin Anomalous Phenomenon Study.And what we've done is we started that
in twenty and nineteen and we decidedthat the goal was to help the people
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are in the area understand the phenomenathat's occurring in what they're dealing with from
day to day. So we putthese devices up that registered our f fields
that occur in the un Basin.And we have participants who over the last
three years who have been a partof our project, and we're noticing some
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interesting things in the Unta Basin andits correlation not only to the areas you
know that have these energy zones,but where they live and now attaches itself
to the people itself, and thisis when the phenomena is being experienced by
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the individual, and a lot ofthem have been Native Americans. What I
mean attaches itself the energy. Theenergy will attach to the person and it'll
start experiencing correlations to seeing UFOs,seeing phenomena, seeing you know, um
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interdimensional beings. So I want toso I'm talking and I'm referring to the
big Foot. I'm referring to theskin walker lore. You know, those
kind of entities that exist up there. So when the energy sticks to it,
is it like when you're there ordoes it? Yeah, Okay,
there's a there's a there's a notedword called hitch hiker, and this energy
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stays with the individual and you canbring at home. I was one of
those because I didn't know any better. Um, I brought it home and
things started to occur in my ownhome. Yeah, that seems very We
heard this over and over again inthe ento basin. Um. But let's
say someone's doing um investigations of homes, what you know, alleged ghosts.
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On a rare occasion, someone mightsay, oh, something followed me home,
But the vast majority don't experience that. There seems to be a much
higher ratio of people who have whatyou call hitchhikers. Is it an actual
entity or like you say, isit kind of is it like a magnetism
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that gets attached to Well, that'sa that's a that's a good question.
Um. Well, and in myworld when I brought it home here,
I had visitations from entities Mum,I had alien grace, I had again
Reptilian and I would hear things walkingon top of my roof. Um.
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Yeah, yeah, there was lotsof really high strangeness that went. And
I my son went with me.He's my second eldest son, and he
also experienced things. And to thisday, says Mom, I wish I
never had come out to the baseand to your projects. Well is there
nothing to be done about that?Um? Do you have no tools or
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practice that? Oh? I donow, I do now. And it's
it's the Native American medicine and prayer, okay, and the energy. You
know. Some people would say it'sspirits, you know, negative and positive
spirits that have followed you, attachedthemselves to you, so on and so
forth. Uh, maybe that's whatit is. I don't know how to
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keep give it form in that inthat situation. But why the why the
you know, extraterrestrial aspect of it? You why were they here too?
Well, that's why I wonder.It seems like this is a place that
attracts There's theories. For instance,here in the Hudson Valley there's certain areas
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that are rich in iron or oryou can have you know, these electromagnetic
anomaly. It's just stronger than theaverage. So one can say, oh,
you're seeing lights in the sky becauseit's an effect of the electromagnetic interplay
between the atmosphere and the geology.Maybe yeah, But then at the same
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time, there's all kinds of otherI mean, Bigfoot doesn't fall into that
category. So what's going on isthat I wonder if that somehow is attracting
this high strangeness. And I justI guess I want to know what could
possibly be the common denominator that bringsall these weird things together. Well,
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what was really interesting. I wasinvited to a tour of a ranch up
away from one of the towns thereup and you into Basin, and this
particular ranch was blank Frog Ranch,and we were asked to come up and
with a gentleman that knew how tocall in Bigfoot. And I didn't take
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him seriously. I just said,well, you know, it'd be a
great experience to see what he bringsto the table. Pretty much. Sure.
Well, then guess what happened.He stood by me and he just
fell energetically attached to me, andhe took a block of wood and he
pounded it to call it in,and he goes, please look up,
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Michelle, and I looked up andthere was there was a big foot and
he called her by name. Hecalled her by name. Well, you
know what this goes back to.I think what you were saying before,
when you were out there and noneof you had cameras, none of you
had electronics. There's I think akind of a trust there or a pure
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intention because if you had your phoneswith you, then if there is something
that might let it help be seen, they would go. Maybe not because
I don't know if they're going touse those things. And it sounds to
me like this this person has kindof built a trust between bigfoot, you
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know, and themselves, right right, And that's what he was. He
was a big footh hunter, youknow, he was a community. He
lived in the community. He hasspoken with the owner and I got invited
to be a part of this magicalcomment either again was the magical moment,
you know? Yeah? Yeah,what does bigfoot look like? I actually
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someone in the group caught a photoof it, and I will reveal that
in the desert, yes, youknow, the Native American yes, yes,
And again the graininess of it,you know, I'll have to point
it out, but you know,you got it the best way I could.
But this was somebody else's photo,you know, and it was loaned
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to me and I was able tospeak about the situation. But it was
a beautiful moment about a time,you know, like we shouldn't be fearing
this, especially in the Native AmericanNavajo culture, especially you know the name
we revere the bigfoots. We're toldnot to look them in the eyes because
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they can have control over your mind. That's our belief system as being a
Native American. We we treat themwith respect to their and entity. We
feel like they're multidimensional, pan dimensionalbeings and very intelligent. That's our way.
We have a question from Riah Wilsonin the chat. She says,
does bigfoot stink like everyone else saysit? Yes, really, it's a
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smell. I'll never forget. Let'sjust put it that way. Yeah,
okay, Well that's okay. Sothat's that's you know, corroboration, right.
Someone might say, oh, yeah, it smells, but when you
experience it yourself, now you're going, okay, now that's I'll never forget
that. It's rancid. Let metell you that I don't like this person's
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experience that themselves, but it's apretty unforgettable odor. How would you describe
it? I would say when youcombine urine with an animal that's never been
bathed, that that's the smell.It's it's it's a very distinct smell.
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Yeah, like they've never had abath. Yeah. Well that's a part
of me that always kind of wonderedmaybe there's some kind of environmental explanation for
that for them. Like when there'sa thunderstorm, right, you can smell
what's called the ozone, which isyou know, the molecules of oxygen,
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you know, jumping from molecule tomolecule, and the humans we can smell
that that that chemical reaction in theatmosphere. Um, we can smell bacteria
that's giving that has oils, andthen when it rains, there's a certain
smell that mammals are attuned to,just like a shark is, but by
like tenfold. So we have thesekind of acute smells. I'm wondering if
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there's something environmentally that might have mighttriggered that, because if it's coming from
in between worlds or who knows what, um, like atmospheric type chemicals,
natural something in nature. Maybe Idon't know. Maybe maybe it is a
protection, you know, chemical thatthey produce on their bodies to protect themselves,
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to keep people away, or maybeyou know, you know, we
don't know pheromones of some type,some kind of type of pheromone they might
be emitting. So you think thatthey are a pan dimensional. Yes,
we do as Native Americans. Yeah, well, I know I'm crazy as
it might sound. Maybe that smellit has something to do with the transversing,
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you know, maybe there's kind oflike a natural protective layer of something
that it gives off, like anoil of some sort. Yeah, yeah,
it's a you know, there's alot of strange highness in in the
un to base. And I meanI have thousands of stories, thousands of
interviews that I've done um over time, and it is really interesting. Until
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you experience it, you kind oflook, Okay, what does this mean?
You know? What is it myconsciousness? You know? Um,
I don't consider myself as they sayin the in the fringe world, woo,
you know, And I've tried totell my stories to people they just
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kind of give you that look,they tilt it. But anymore, I
don't really don't care. It's myexperiences and I need, we need to
share the truth. It's all aboutthe truth. And Dwayne Ollinger of Blind
Fragrants is always saying, Michelle,tell your truth because I wouldn't speak about
this stuff only to people I trustit for a very long time. And
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here I am now in the open. Well, you are an entrepreneur too,
so I can imagine having concerns rightabout reputation and that sort of thing.
Yes, yes, And you know, we're becoming more mainstream in this
industry. People are wanting to know. I mean, even the military and
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the Pentagon are coming out with reportsof there's actual UFO activity occurring outside and
people are seeing things, you knowrecently with the China balloons. I don't
want to get into too much ofthat, but you know it. We're
bringing a lot of aware, especiallyin our news media right now, and
you know, people like your showswho are trying to demystify the phenomena that
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occurs. You know, I don'tknow why I was chosen to be able
to experience all that. I justknow that I didn't seek for it.
Well I am now because I wantanswers, you know, because you had
that aspect of it yeah, directeddirectly made contact with you, so,
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of course, now you really wantedto answers. I'm I'm content to a
degree of of not having the answers. I kind of enjoy, you know,
the mystery of certain things. Butbut we are a curious species and
that's kind of part of how weevolve and we grow. I think I
think our curiosity and imagination are youknow, two of the biggest things that
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make us make us human. Um, So do you think that these entities
are playing a role for the humanrace, for us to grow, to
evolve or is it something else?I think there? You know, I
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had an interesting introduction to Sergeant CliffordStone, and before he passed away,
we became very very good friends,and I actually went out to visit with
him in Roswell. But one ofthe things I loved about him, he
says, I've heard it all.You've heard my story. Don't be afraid
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to tell your story too, becausewe need to let everybody know. I
mean, we all know his story, right. He identified fifty seven species
of extraterrestrial life and then he servedon Area fifty one. Yeah, and
he left me some very precious guests. After his death, and records,
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some records I have, but it'sbeen interesting even in identifying his records.
I'm I'm always surprised of the thingsthat are being produced out there, other
people's stories, the stories he's gathered. It's it's it's I still get surprised
of the things I'm hearing them learning, you know, and it's really go
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ahead. I was going to say, it's really hard for me to read
books, and I'm learning now.I'm really taking the time to start learning
about other people's experiences who are speakingout there, who are on television shows
about their content. It took mea while to want to even investigate that,
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and I'm starting to because I wastrying to deal with the high strangest
of my own life. Did Ibelieve that? Yeah? I did.
I go through a time where Ifelt like I was in a odd and
I like, am I really experiencingthis? And you know, I had
to shelve if for a little whilethere too to be with it. So
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that is part of the way themind deals with usual experiences. Yeah,
unusual or even sometimes traumatic. It'syou know, something that happens a long
time ago, You're like, wow, did that really happen to me.
Oh my gosh. Um. Well, that's the thing about memory. It's
a little little slippery too. Sodo you do do you journal? Do
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you write down like all of yourexperiences? And yeah, I do actually
yeah, And you know what,I'm a visual learner, so photographically I
remember everything. I can see itwhen the situation, yeah, I can
see it. So do you thinkthat there's a maybe a special role that
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the American nations can play separate fromthe United States government, like the you
know, these other governments within theUnited Sovereign, the sovereign. Yeah,
the dude, is there something thatthey can do? Um about disclosure that
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you know, we're not seeing fromthe US government. Okay, So to
distinguish, you know, like you'resaying, are we okay? So as
Native Americans, our practices have goneback thousands of thousands of years, and
the Native Americans have always dealt withanomalies of such. They know about the
skin marker, they know about thethe bigfoots, they know about paranormal This
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is so much of their world.This is how it was they interact with
nature, you know, the unknown. Yeah, they had some of their
own practices and you know, that'sgetting really really it's okay, it's yeah,
it's well, like like like,what kind of culture is there?
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Is there a communion there? Yes, Yeah, our ancestors communed with them.
At one time. We talked aboutthe ant people and the Ant people
were called the Mantoins, and therewas a time in our religion. Uh,
it tells in the Navajo lore andthe religion that we have that the
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people, because of a cataclysmic eventthat happened on the surface, was taken
underground by the Ant people. That'sin our lore as well as the Hopies.
Navajos have the zact same lore.And then after the earth healed,
they came back up and we're ableto sustain themselves back on the surface.
So that is written in our lore. And also the direction of the gods
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and the you know, the sky. We will regard the sun. These
are our gods. There were therewere four pillars of the stars where we
came from. We were we wereborn from the star DNA is part of
our record. Yeah. So howmuch do you believe in the stories the
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Pawnee for instance, Um, likedo you do you see them as mythologies
or how how literal do you taketake those stories, well, I take
them literal because they sustain themselves withtheir agricultural and the way they set up
their UM homes there they're you know, their lodges, and the way they
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would build up their lodges they wouldkeep a hole in the middle so that
they could look up to the starsin the directions. Yeah, they would
have their lodges well skylight see thestars. You know. I love it
when we've traveled out to the youknow, Southwest, UM people that we
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talked to out there, it seems, you know, on on reservations and
off, it seems that there's thiskind of like yeah, of course you
see UFOs like you know, wejust up in the skies and there they
are. UM. It's no likea big deal per se um. But
in regards to humanity, I wouldargue that it's it must signify something.
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There must be some kind of endgame or you know, agenda. What
what what do you think that is? Well, I know that there's a
lot of you know, predisposition forpeople to understand that we're not alone.
We've got a galaxy full of planets, UM star systems. You know,
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UM goes on forever and ever,we haven't even explored outside our solar systems,
So who's to say that these otherinhabited planet solar systems are not inhabited,
you know, And we look tothe we have to in our infinite
minds, look to how we seetoday, how our own Earth works.
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We don't even know at all.We can't even engage. Yeah, so
we're still figuring out our own historytoo exactly. That's ever evolving, Yeah,
trying to get together, trying tounderstand each other from a human aspect,
you know, because we've got differentcultures, whether it's indigenous, whether
it's Caucasian, you know, representationand communities where we're still trying to figure
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out a lot of things, evenhow to get along with each other.
And now we're starting to throw inan extraterrestrial being or you know, we
are considered the terrestrial beings, butwe're now throwing in a new aspect of
a culture that that's communicating with usnow for whatever reason, because if you
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look at what's happening today in ourEarth and how we live day to day,
things are not too great economically,spiritually, and so on and so
forth. So we're looking for answersand maybe these beings are coming down to
assist us, whether we find themuniquely different from us. Yeah, I
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mean I would like to think thatit's like a group of people that argue
and can't get along, and soyou have to kind of like send in
the mediator, right, Like maybethat will play a kind of role and
be like, hey, you're notalone in this universe. Is a lot
going on. You're arguing amongst yourself. You're wasting time. Let's let's change
the conversation. You know, theawareness, the awareness, right, I
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mean Grant Cameron calls it the wowfactor, the quote unquote wow factor,
And it's like like waking up,like it's like surprise, look at us,
and then they go and hide away. Yeah, because it's you know,
it's like we're warming you up.We're getting you guys collectively ready to
have this conversation. You've definitely beenwowed. It's six years ago. And
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what's really interesting, we're also findingDNA being a part of this. It's
been you know, yeah, theDNA of the star people, of the
mitochondria of the DNA are being tracedback to the star people who are the
star people we need. That's that'sthe question we need to ask. Apparently
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my lineage of the skid Ponti isthe Star people lineage m H. And
it's in right now DNA has beencharted. But how do we look at
our DNA um so quote unquote junkDNA and otherwise, how do we look
at that and go, oh,that's there's evidence of Star people. Don't
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we need like some other kind ofgenetic material to kind of compare it to?
Or Yeah, I you know,I've I've heard that there is genetic
material. I mean, you're talkingabout the roswell and students, is you're
talking about all these different land youknow, landings and everything. It's not
publicly known that this DNA is beinggathered, but I'm sure it is.
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And I have been told that Iam a part of that DNA and through
some high level experts I have sharedthat with me. Yeah, I was
gonna say, who who's your Imean, who would tell you part?
Oh no, don't say their name, but I mean, yeah, someone
in the government tours there, Okay, government in science. I would imagine,
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right, we've had this technology forDNA testing for a long time and
if if, if indeed they discoveredbodies at the Roswell crash and other other
incidents. Then they know already evenfrom archaeology, and they're finding the giants.
Now they're finding their bones. We'refinding a lot of evidence. I
mean. The unique strangeness of allof this is it's also in the un
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To Basin, and I'm going toreveal some things that I have been interviewed
and come across. There are sectionsof the u went To Basin that are
not shown to the public unless you'rename American because because it's owned by the
tribe and the tribe has some ancientwritings and things like that that exist on
their lands. Okay that was sharedwith Yeah, thank you so much for
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being on today. I love thisconversation. I wish we could keep chatting.
Thank you. It went really wentfast, did it? It did?
It did? Yeah? Yeah.So when when is a contact in
the desert, It's going to beJune the second through the fourth, Indian
Wells, California. I'm excited.I think people should be. I'm excited
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for you. If anybody wants toget in touch with Michelle, her email
is Progressive Progressive Green Solutions at gmaildot com and Michelle if you can leave
us with one thought related to anything you want. What would it be?
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The one thought I want to leteverybody know is love yourself and walking
beauty because that's what's needed today.I think those are some of the messages
that we're we're going to be meaningto learn to change our consciousness of what's
going on today with what we're dealingwith in life. And the NAVA hosts
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have a word for a walk andbeauty, and it kind of demystified me
because it went away, but it'sa it's a word that's constantly used on
the reservation. We look at ourland, it's beautiful. We haven't developed
yet like cities, but that isour creed walking beauty. So those are
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the words I want to leave allright. Michelle, thank you so much,
you get all right, and thankyou all for joining us tonight.
I really appreciate you and I wishyou all to walk in beauty as well.
Those are brilliant words of wisdom.Thank you everybody in chat. You
guys rock. And of course ifyou are a fan of this podcast,
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to Parano Mystical Lounge. How areyou? Yeah, thank you Allen for
having me on. Yeah, thankyou so much. I really appreciate I'm
very excited because the Uinta Basin isa very mysterious land, and you have
been kind of living in that mysteryand doing your own correlations and investigations into
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what kind of strange happenings are occurringthere. So can you tell us a
little bit about who you are andyour background had to got into investigating this
in the first place. Well,it's a really interesting story and a journey.
I always look at things as journey. That Native American path is we
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all have a life's journey. Andhow I got into the Uinta Basin.
I was asked to do a project. I'm in the agricultural industry hydroponics,
and a friend of mine had justpurchased a ranch there. I wanted to
know what the highest and best usefor the land was, and because of
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certain stipulations that existed with the realestate aspect of it, we were not
allowed to put or dig on theland. So instead I helped manage the
ranch for a little bit. Andright away, as I would make visits
to the ranch inn he went tobasin, things started to happen. And
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I wasn't really interested in you phonologyand paranormal experiences, although as a young
girl I always had some paranormal butit was usually family members. In according
to our Native American spiritual way,we were able to investigate and see,
you know, the paranormal in theas a girl of just one of being
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given a message to me from myancestors, and so that was basically I
was not interested in this topic atall. And as I would make consequent
visits to this particular ranch, thingsstarted to happen, and you know,
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right away, and it was morewith the energy there. The energy is
you drive through a two and ahalf hour drive from the Salt Lake Valley
to the un To Basin. There'sa distinct energy that exists as you cross
over. I call it the boundaryand and I will kind of emphasis what
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this is a little bit later.But I started to feel this weird energy.
And so when I would go tothis project, you know, we
would just make some you know,just basically make sure the ranch was working
well and things were taken care of. And right away I started having these
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experiences with the energy. And onesuch occasion was I was caught up in
a vortex of energy and my mindwas going somewhere, and I could see
the two other people that were withme. They were caught up in the
same vortex, and we started tosee things within that vortex. And this
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is probably my third visit with theranch hands that were living there on the
site. What was so interesting aboutthat experiences. I started to visually see
things, and then yet I wasspinning in the same vortex with these individuals,
and what I was seeing is Iwas seeing a Native American woman all
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in her regalia, where the otherthing is the other two participants were seeing
something completely different. And then thevoice came to me that I would be
okay. I felt like it wasgoing somewhere else. And then I heard
a voice that don't worry, You'llbe okay. And immediately this one gentleman
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put his hand on my shoulder andit brought me back back and it grounded
me. Yes, I was.It was a bit nauseated, and I
ran out the front door and Ithought this had this incident had lasted hours.
It felt like hours, and itonly was within a ten minute experience
that I had this and out there, and then we came in and started
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talking about it, started talking abouttheir position of what they saw, and
they were seeing things too, theywere being told different things. So in
the end, rather than you know, missing time being you don't know what
happened and suddenly two hours are gonefor you, it was almost inverted.
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It was it was like ten minutes, it felt like a really long time.
It did. It did, andso we really didn't want to talk
about the situation because we didn't understandit. We never had that experience.
And as time went on, Icontinued to come and I do check up
on the site. Now managers andincidences would start to happen. The energy
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when I would go over the boundarywhich I spoke of earlier. You know,
as you're driving pause you went tobase, and there would I would
fallow right asleep. It would justknock me out right in the car.
I had somebody else driving me,and then I would all of a sudden,
within maybe twenty minutes, I wouldjust wake up. So I wasn't
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used to the energy zone that thatexists there in the un To Basin,
right. It took a lot outof me. Well, I mean,
what what is distinct about the energyLike your normal everyday life. Do you
normally pick up on variations and energyand we're in different areas or is this
just one anomalous experience. Well,no, I have been up in the
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un To Basin, like I said, for six years, and there are
significant energy zones, and I likecalling them energy zones that exist up there,
and they're strategically there. And I'lltalk a little bit about this.
You went to based an anomalous phenomenonstudy that we're doing and trying to detect
some of these zones, these energyzones. Some are positive and some are
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not. Some are negative, Andat this point I was experiencing as a
negative and such. So it wasan interesting few experiences as of immediately,
and then it was like it happenedin phases and I felt like very welcomed.
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I felt the energy was very intact, could feel I started to feel
like I was home. I washome on that rant. Yeah, yeah,
that was the energy, even thoughI had this experience of being in
a vortex. Then on subsequential visit, I just started to feel like I
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was home. And it was likeit all went in phases, and as
time went on, you know,I started to see orbs giant, orbs
um just different phenomena. And Iactually stayed in evening there at this particular
ranch and was visited and this isa different Yeah, this is a different
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night that I had come down tothe ranch and decided connected to the same
vortex experience or no, No,it was a different It was a different
visit. But on that that firstvisit, it was very we didn't want
to talk about it. We didn'tknow what was happening. I didn't even
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know what this was. I was. I was so unaware of these types
of energies that existed out in theworld, or you know, it was
a very anomalous experience and then twoexperiences were from the same source as it
were. Or that's a good question, Alan, because I'm not sure.
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I've never really saw it in thatway. In fact, to be honest,
you know, as I experienced thesethese particular anomalies on that ranch,
I think there was a lot morethan just one source. I think there
were many, many, many stories, is fanboy. That's really interesting because
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you know, all the conversations wehear about that that region, it seems
to me you kind of get thisgeneralization that there's like some unified something that's
going on there, even though there'sall these various weird things like giant wolves
and uh, you know, skinwalkersand things like this. You know,
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but now you're thinking that maybe it'sa different source. So when you say
vortex, what what do you Whatis that? Like? What is that
to you? How do you describethat experience? Well? I describe it
as a vortex is an anomaly withinnature that occurs. You know, there's
there's meridian lines that occur on ourearth, you know, that provide access
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to energy, and I think oncein a while nature has a way of
performing out of its zone, youknow, kind of unnatural energy source.
And what we've encapsulated with that isthe vortex has certain things that that can
mess with our minds or body ifwe interact with it. Could be even
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even we see so vortex like it'slike you're getting pulled into something it is.
Yes, yes, and and sometimesthere's some damaging effects to that too
as well. Have you experienced damagingeffects from I have? I have radiation
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Okay, so I've had radiation issues. Yeah, we've heard this sort of
thing before. Okay, so doyou categorize that as a negative experience?
Well, I kind of guess atthe time my memory of that. Yes,
of course it is because it startsto affect your your bodily health.
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You know, I was having stomachissues, I was having pain in my
necks and you know other body parts. There were things I just couldn't sleep
at night. There were other effectsto it, and I have to take
care of a medically as well.Oh, my own is this. I
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don't know how experience you are withother paranormal type encounters like ghosts and spirits
and things like that. Is thisdistinct in your mind from from those types
of encounters. Yes, but there'salways correlation to everything that we're experiencing in
the in the un to basin,there is a correlation to all of it.
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And the correlation I'm trying is,yes, you have a you have
an energy zone that that pulls youin, and then all of a sudden
you start to see uphology UFOs.You start to see things. I saw
the dire Wolf, I've seen shadowsof skinwalkers. I've been visited, you
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know. And in my mind atthat time, that was a little bit
out there. That was a littlefringy for me because yeah, yeah,
yeah, would anybody like to hearmy story? And I And that's where
mentally it was a hard time forpeople to hear my story because there is
a there's a belief, you know, are you on drugs? Are you
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drinking? Are you smoking weird stuff? I don't do any of that.
That's that's just not my character.And yeah, I was having these experiences.
Yeah, the second encounter, whatwas that? Was it a something
like an extraterrestrial? Was it somethinglike a encrypted? It was it was
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extraterrestrial And the room that I wassleeping in I had This is very this
is kind very difficult to talk about. Two entities that came to me during
the night and whether through telepathy,esp. You know, they asked me
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to work with them, and forsome reason, my higher spirit said no.
I denied them. I said no, I'm not interested in this,
and I'm going to say it aliveon it. It was a Reptilian race
and I said no. Wow,what was it intimidating? No, that
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was what was really interesting. Itwasn't an intimidating. It was shocking.
It was I wasn't paralyzed, Iwasn't scared. I was just like,
no, It's just like I feltprotected. I felt like my higher spirit
was speaking to them as opposed tomy conscious level, and I was fully
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awake. By the way, Yeah, is there something in particular about your
state of mind, your higher spiritas you put it, that allowed you
to say no and to feel protected. Is there anything that you've done or
anything you've developed within yourself that youfeel helped you? Well? I think,
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you know, I'm a spiritual person, and I also do believe in
meditation and prayer, and in thatsuch state, I also believe that prayer
was probably the antidote for me notto feel disenchanted about the situation. You
know, having come from a religiousbackground, I no longer practice, but
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coming from that religious background, prayerhas always been a part of my life.
And so I think I've recognized thatthe paranormal of being a young girl
experiencing things from my ancestors didn't quiteshocking. But when you see these entities,
you're shocked because you haven't seen thembefore. You're not used to seeing
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this type of species. So theseencounters just kept coming and coming. Or
everything that is known about the UnaBasin I was experiencing. And what period
of time was all this taking place. This was taken place, I think
do believe it was two thousand andsixteen, and things started to you know,
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this individual purchase this ranch, andyou know, so we were asked
to come and do certain things onthere and assisting in the management of the
area. And I was starting tohave these experiences of things I'd never had
experiences with before, and one ofthem was identifying u A followed UFOs UAPs.
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Excuse me, because I know there'sa different classification system going on right
now, so these UAPs UFOs,I'm totally fine with UFO. I think
we should stick with UFO. Idon't think I don't think it's going anywhere.
I think we all and we allknow what that means. In fact,
I remember seeing Neil de grass Tysonrecently in an interviewer saying, yeah,
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UFO, UAP same thing, andit is it really is. Yeah,
it's scientifically based behind that, yeahclassification. Yeah. So do you
think that that reptilian that you hadexperienced has anything to do with those the
UFOs that we see in the sky. Possibly? You know, um,
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you know there there there are manyexperiences that I've had on that particular ranch.
Nothing landed ever. You know.I took a group out there one
time and we had an experience witha big UFO about eleven of us and
it appeared and then two of themcame pretty close to the ranch and through
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telepathy esp whatever you want to callit, they started communicating with us.
And that was a very very interestingnight because we were working, we had
night goggle glasses on our vision onus and we could see the paranormal.
It was just a magical night.And it was a correlation. I was
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going to go ahead, head no, no, good, No, it
was just I was noticing a correlationbetween the paranormal the u UFOs, the
lore of different things that have beenin the Unto basin and talked about.
Um, what was really even highstrangeness there was the the the lizards,
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the rabbits were coming up to usand allowing us to touch them. This.
Yeah, it sounds very it soundsvery wonderland, right it was that
night. Yeah, it was aChris October night. That is that's so
funny. Um, so you're usingthe word like magical. Is that the
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right word if we're dealing with theseyou know, non human intelligences. Well,
the only reason why I used thatword in this moment, in that
experience is because it it was amagical night. It was a very positive,
you know, experience with eleven peopleand not one of us had a
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cell phone, which I found thatwas a little bit interesting. We had
no recording devices, and I justkind of got the feeling that they knew
that that's why they were making thesituations the way it was. I've always
I've always suspected that because that's oneof the things we hear, you know,
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debunkers say, well, well we'vegot millions and millions of phones in
people's hands, now, how comewe're not catching these things and up close
and a good video. And itseems to me that if they are hundreds,
if not thousands of years advanced inUS, they am sure they know
who has a device and who doesn'thave a device. Yeah, it's yeah,
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And I to be honest, Ihave captured a lot on my cell
phone. And what's really interesting,there's another story. And I'm kind of
going through timelines very quickly here forthe sake of time in the audience.
But we did capture twenty four photosof an eight foot entity on this project.
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We were working on. One eveningwe ran back to eight to ten
foot entity and I will be talkingabout that at contact of the desert,
and we lost the footage because theywiped out the digital camera were wiped out.
I caught one. I was inmy mind. I felt that I
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was told by my spirit take aphoto real quickly. And there were three
of us who witnessed that, andwe lost all the photos. And I
have the original USB drive in mypossession and it's completely black, and so
I have talked, I'm sorry it'sblack or blank black completely. We actually
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saw its gimming across the black.It was digitalized. It was it reminds
me of the movie Contact. Idon't know if the Jody Foster where they're
like, oh, she didn't recordanything, it's not real. But then
I like, wait a minute,we actually have eighteen minutes of static,
you know for them. Yeah,yeah, whatever was yeah yeah. So
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you guys sounds like you had thesame kind of experience. Um, yeah,
okay, So how do you presentthat to a skeptic? How do
you say to a skeptic? IsI have one why you should believe me?
Yeah? I have one photo thatI captured and it was a distinct
alien species that a particular of reptilian, and over time it has morphed,
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and inside that morphing was a beautifulwoman's face. And there's a dream attached
to that too, of the revelationof why that photo did what she did.
So are you going to share thatphoto at at Contact in the desert?
I am. I have that andit and you know, it's really
interesting how these photos usually don't comeout as clear and pixelated, you know,
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So I'm going to I did thebest clean up job that I could,
sure, but it's more about thestory behind it, And you know,
it's my story. It's my experience, and you know, to others
who are not understanding or are skepticswho have never seen anything like this,
you know, according to what youjust ask right now, you know,
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how how do you know? Howdo you know if you had never had
that experience? But I did havethe experience, and I'm just telling the
story, and you get to decide, right, But you do have a
photo. Can you can you distinguishan outline of a figure in the photo?
Or yeah, I can't she Icall her as she now because that's
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what it's more. But um,they're to the side, to the left
side of that photo. And Ishould have sent you something here. Um
is the eye of the looks likethe reptilian costume. You know. She
told me it was a biomechanical suit, okay, and it because our atmospheres
too dance for them to existence.So they were these biomechanical suits, and
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like our astronauts, they put ona uniform to protect their their their physicalness,
their bodies. And so in thatdream, that's what she was letting
me know, is you know.And so the high strangeness of all of
this is the fact that you know, she was communicating through to me through
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dreams, and this is a NativeAmerican practice. We get our answers through
dreams. Do you when you getanswers through dreams, are you doing work
beforehand or is it just kind ofcome? For instance, are you meditating?
Are you praying? Are you doingany kind of ritual to when you
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have a question right and you wantan answer? Is that? Are you
doing that work beforehand and then somethingcomes to you in a dream? You
know, that's a great question.I'm always constantly cleansing myself through Native American
procedures, you know, medicine,and our medicine is our stage. So
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I say to myself, I sayprayer, I offer tobacco and corn pollen.
You know, just the Native Americantraditional ways and prayer is is very,
very a deep way to prepare forthose questions. But you know,
some of this stuff comes randomly.Are they coming from? For instance,
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it seems to me this being extraterrestrial, if you will, is communicating through
your dream when you're doing these practicestraditionally, well, who's coming to your
dream to give you answers? Isit spirits? Is it some kind of
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divine entity? What is it?Generally, it's through visualization of things that
are applicable to things that I understand. Symbolism mostly okay, but if someone
is something bringing that symbolism to youinto the dream, like a spirit guide
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or something like that. I havebeen told through people who have given me
spiritual blessings that I have a NativeAmerican woman who watches over me, and
sometimes I feel like maybe her presenceor even ancestors from my culture our present.
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So and one thing I didn't denotehere is I am Pawnee Indian.
We are the Skadi, and theSkadi were the only clan that held the
star charts, and we are theones. Our elders were the ones that
taught us how to do agriculture orto place our homes, and we did
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it through the stars and the stars. The direction was the Polaris system and
that today it was called the Coroniaborealis. That's what we how we looked
at the stars. So we arehighly spiritual star people. And we have
recorded our charts on buffalo skins tanbuffalo skins, and there's one that sits
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in the Chicago Museum that's been preservedstar charts. Yeah, and there are
very few today that are being taughtabout the medicine, which are about the
four stars and the moon and theSun are the creators there are in that
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tradition, in that history, canyou garner anything that informs your understanding of
what's going on in the You wentto Basin? Well, you went to
Basin is a very interesting um landbecause first of all, the dinosaurs are
there. You've got natural uranium that'soccurring um It's in a kind of a
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bowl shaped type of environment. Andthere's when I've noticed during the seasons when
the polarity of the planet changes,the energy changes in the you went to
Basin, and there are times inseason where more occurrences of these uphology siety
other sightings. You know, I'mnot I don't really talk a lot about
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the skin Walker because our belief systemsas Navajos, but there is that lore
that has gotten around which designates alot of the reservation, but we don't
like talking about it because we don'twant to call it in. And what's
really interesting about that polarity shift,So there's an energy that change and shifts
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through those seasons. And there wereother things that happened in the past with
the atomic energy bombs, that wereblown up, those those jet streams still
comes through, and there's a lotof things we're trying to study, is
why there's negative and positive energies,why people get sick, and why people
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get well. There are high incidencesof medical issues in the decent So I
don't know that are sure that thatare an anomalous compared to the average.
Okay, And if you had experiencedradiation, I would imagine someone who gets
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you know, continual exposure would certainlybecome sick. But is it continuous exposure?
I mean, when these things happenwhere people get like a radiation burn
or a headache or whatever it is, are they Is it because there's some
constant flow of energy or whatever itmight be, or are these kind of
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like do they come in waves andblips? I think they come in waves
and blips. I think it's whereyou live too, up there in Altamont
area. It's been known that thejet string comes through there, and there's
a lot of people who miscarriage theirchildren, you know, in infancy there's
a high rate of gall bladder disease. Cancer. Yeah, So going into
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this doctor Sigala and I started.We got together because I needed some answers
as to what I was experienced froma mind body situation, and we started
the Unta Basin Anomalous Phenomenon Study.And what we've done is we started that
in twenty and nineteen and we decidedthat the goal was to help the people
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are in the area understand the phenomenathat's occurring in what they're dealing with from
day to day. So we putthese devices up that registered our f fields
that occur in the un Basin.And we have participants who over the last
three years who have been a partof our project, and we're noticing some
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interesting things in the Unta Basin andits correlation not only to the areas you
know that have these energy zones,but where they live and now attaches itself
to the people itself, and thisis when the phenomena is being experienced by
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the individual, and a lot ofthem have been Native Americans. What I
mean attaches itself the energy. Theenergy will attach to the person and it'll
start experiencing correlations to seeing UFOs,seeing phenomena, seeing you know, um
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interdimensional beings. So I want toso I'm talking and I'm referring to the
big Foot. I'm referring to theskin walker lore. You know, those
kind of entities that exist up there. So when the energy sticks to it,
is it like when you're there ordoes it? Yeah, Okay,
there's a there's a there's a notedword called hitch hiker, and this energy
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stays with the individual and you canbring at home. I was one of
those because I didn't know any better. Um, I brought it home and
things started to occur in my ownhome. Yeah, that seems very We
heard this over and over again inthe ento basin. Um. But let's
say someone's doing um investigations of homes, what you know, alleged ghosts.
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On a rare occasion, someone mightsay, oh, something followed me home,
But the vast majority don't experience that. There seems to be a much
higher ratio of people who have whatyou call hitchhikers. Is it an actual
entity or like you say, isit kind of is it like a magnetism
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that gets attached to Well, that'sa that's a that's a good question.
Um. Well, and in myworld when I brought it home here,
I had visitations from entities Mum,I had alien grace, I had again
Reptilian and I would hear things walkingon top of my roof. Um.
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Yeah, yeah, there was lotsof really high strangeness that went. And
I my son went with me.He's my second eldest son, and he
also experienced things. And to thisday, says Mom, I wish I
never had come out to the baseand to your projects. Well is there
nothing to be done about that?Um? Do you have no tools or
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practice that? Oh? I donow, I do now. And it's
it's the Native American medicine and prayer, okay, and the energy. You
know. Some people would say it'sspirits, you know, negative and positive
spirits that have followed you, attachedthemselves to you, so on and so
forth. Uh, maybe that's whatit is. I don't know how to
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keep give it form in that inthat situation. But why the why the
you know, extraterrestrial aspect of it? You why were they here too?
Well, that's why I wonder.It seems like this is a place that
attracts There's theories. For instance,here in the Hudson Valley there's certain areas
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that are rich in iron or oryou can have you know, these electromagnetic
anomaly. It's just stronger than theaverage. So one can say, oh,
you're seeing lights in the sky becauseit's an effect of the electromagnetic interplay
between the atmosphere and the geology.Maybe yeah, But then at the same
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time, there's all kinds of otherI mean, Bigfoot doesn't fall into that
category. So what's going on isthat I wonder if that somehow is attracting
this high strangeness. And I justI guess I want to know what could
possibly be the common denominator that bringsall these weird things together. Well,
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what was really interesting. I wasinvited to a tour of a ranch up
away from one of the towns thereup and you into Basin, and this
particular ranch was blank Frog Ranch,and we were asked to come up and
with a gentleman that knew how tocall in Bigfoot. And I didn't take
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him seriously. I just said,well, you know, it'd be a
great experience to see what he bringsto the table. Pretty much. Sure.
Well, then guess what happened.He stood by me and he just
fell energetically attached to me, andhe took a block of wood and he
pounded it to call it in,and he goes, please look up,
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Michelle, and I looked up andthere was there was a big foot and
he called her by name. Hecalled her by name. Well, you
know what this goes back to.I think what you were saying before,
when you were out there and noneof you had cameras, none of you
had electronics. There's I think akind of a trust there or a pure
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intention because if you had your phoneswith you, then if there is something
that might let it help be seen, they would go. Maybe not because
I don't know if they're going touse those things. And it sounds to
me like this this person has kindof built a trust between bigfoot, you
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know, and themselves, right right, And that's what he was. He
was a big footh hunter, youknow, he was a community. He
lived in the community. He hasspoken with the owner and I got invited
to be a part of this magicalcomment either again was the magical moment,
you know? Yeah? Yeah,what does bigfoot look like? I actually
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someone in the group caught a photoof it, and I will reveal that
in the desert, yes, youknow, the Native American yes, yes,
And again the graininess of it,you know, I'll have to point
it out, but you know,you got it the best way I could.
But this was somebody else's photo,you know, and it was loaned
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to me and I was able tospeak about the situation. But it was
a beautiful moment about a time,you know, like we shouldn't be fearing
this, especially in the Native AmericanNavajo culture, especially you know the name
we revere the bigfoots. We're toldnot to look them in the eyes because
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they can have control over your mind. That's our belief system as being a
Native American. We we treat themwith respect to their and entity. We
feel like they're multidimensional, pan dimensionalbeings and very intelligent. That's our way.
We have a question from Riah Wilsonin the chat. She says,
does bigfoot stink like everyone else saysit? Yes, really, it's a
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smell. I'll never forget. Let'sjust put it that way. Yeah,
okay, Well that's okay. Sothat's that's you know, corroboration, right.
Someone might say, oh, yeah, it smells, but when you
experience it yourself, now you're going, okay, now that's I'll never forget
that. It's rancid. Let metell you that I don't like this person's
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experience that themselves, but it's apretty unforgettable odor. How would you describe
it? I would say when youcombine urine with an animal that's never been
bathed, that that's the smell.It's it's it's a very distinct smell.
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Yeah, like they've never had abath. Yeah. Well that's a part
of me that always kind of wonderedmaybe there's some kind of environmental explanation for
that for them. Like when there'sa thunderstorm, right, you can smell
what's called the ozone, which isyou know, the molecules of oxygen,
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you know, jumping from molecule tomolecule, and the humans we can smell
that that that chemical reaction in theatmosphere. Um, we can smell bacteria
that's giving that has oils, andthen when it rains, there's a certain
smell that mammals are attuned to,just like a shark is, but by
like tenfold. So we have thesekind of acute smells. I'm wondering if
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there's something environmentally that might have mighttriggered that, because if it's coming from
in between worlds or who knows what, um, like atmospheric type chemicals,
natural something in nature. Maybe Idon't know. Maybe maybe it is a
protection, you know, chemical thatthey produce on their bodies to protect themselves,
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to keep people away, or maybeyou know, you know, we
don't know pheromones of some type,some kind of type of pheromone they might
be emitting. So you think thatthey are a pan dimensional. Yes,
we do as Native Americans. Yeah, well, I know I'm crazy as
it might sound. Maybe that smellit has something to do with the transversing,
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you know, maybe there's kind oflike a natural protective layer of something
that it gives off, like anoil of some sort. Yeah, yeah,
it's a you know, there's alot of strange highness in in the
un to base. And I meanI have thousands of stories, thousands of
interviews that I've done um over time, and it is really interesting. Until
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you experience it, you kind oflook, Okay, what does this mean?
You know? What is it myconsciousness? You know? Um,
I don't consider myself as they sayin the in the fringe world, woo,
you know, And I've tried totell my stories to people they just
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kind of give you that look,they tilt it. But anymore, I
don't really don't care. It's myexperiences and I need, we need to
share the truth. It's all aboutthe truth. And Dwayne Ollinger of Blind
Fragrants is always saying, Michelle,tell your truth because I wouldn't speak about
this stuff only to people I trustit for a very long time. And
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here I am now in the open. Well, you are an entrepreneur too,
so I can imagine having concerns rightabout reputation and that sort of thing.
Yes, yes, And you know, we're becoming more mainstream in this
industry. People are wanting to know. I mean, even the military and
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the Pentagon are coming out with reportsof there's actual UFO activity occurring outside and
people are seeing things, you knowrecently with the China balloons. I don't
want to get into too much ofthat, but you know it. We're
bringing a lot of aware, especiallyin our news media right now, and
you know, people like your showswho are trying to demystify the phenomena that
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occurs. You know, I don'tknow why I was chosen to be able
to experience all that. I justknow that I didn't seek for it.
Well I am now because I wantanswers, you know, because you had
that aspect of it yeah, directeddirectly made contact with you, so,
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of course, now you really wantedto answers. I'm I'm content to a
degree of of not having the answers. I kind of enjoy, you know,
the mystery of certain things. Butbut we are a curious species and
that's kind of part of how weevolve and we grow. I think I
think our curiosity and imagination are youknow, two of the biggest things that
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make us make us human. Um, So do you think that these entities
are playing a role for the humanrace, for us to grow, to
evolve or is it something else?I think there? You know, I
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had an interesting introduction to Sergeant CliffordStone, and before he passed away,
we became very very good friends,and I actually went out to visit with
him in Roswell. But one ofthe things I loved about him, he
says, I've heard it all.You've heard my story. Don't be afraid
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to tell your story too, becausewe need to let everybody know. I
mean, we all know his story, right. He identified fifty seven species
of extraterrestrial life and then he servedon Area fifty one. Yeah, and
he left me some very precious guests. After his death, and records,
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some records I have, but it'sbeen interesting even in identifying his records.
I'm I'm always surprised of the thingsthat are being produced out there, other
people's stories, the stories he's gathered. It's it's it's I still get surprised
of the things I'm hearing them learning, you know, and it's really go
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ahead. I was going to say, it's really hard for me to read
books, and I'm learning now.I'm really taking the time to start learning
about other people's experiences who are speakingout there, who are on television shows
about their content. It took mea while to want to even investigate that,
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and I'm starting to because I wastrying to deal with the high strangest
of my own life. Did Ibelieve that? Yeah? I did.
I go through a time where Ifelt like I was in a odd and
I like, am I really experiencingthis? And you know, I had
to shelve if for a little whilethere too to be with it. So
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that is part of the way themind deals with usual experiences. Yeah,
unusual or even sometimes traumatic. It'syou know, something that happens a long
time ago, You're like, wow, did that really happen to me.
Oh my gosh. Um. Well, that's the thing about memory. It's
a little little slippery too. Sodo you do do you journal? Do
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you write down like all of yourexperiences? And yeah, I do actually
yeah, And you know what,I'm a visual learner, so photographically I
remember everything. I can see itwhen the situation, yeah, I can
see it. So do you thinkthat there's a maybe a special role that
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the American nations can play separate fromthe United States government, like the you
know, these other governments within theUnited Sovereign, the sovereign. Yeah,
the dude, is there something thatthey can do? Um about disclosure that
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you know, we're not seeing fromthe US government. Okay, So to
distinguish, you know, like you'resaying, are we okay? So as
Native Americans, our practices have goneback thousands of thousands of years, and
the Native Americans have always dealt withanomalies of such. They know about the
skin marker, they know about thethe bigfoots, they know about paranormal This
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is so much of their world.This is how it was they interact with
nature, you know, the unknown. Yeah, they had some of their
own practices and you know, that'sgetting really really it's okay, it's yeah,
it's well, like like like,what kind of culture is there?
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Is there a communion there? Yes, Yeah, our ancestors communed with them.
At one time. We talked aboutthe ant people and the Ant people
were called the Mantoins, and therewas a time in our religion. Uh,
it tells in the Navajo lore andthe religion that we have that the
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people, because of a cataclysmic eventthat happened on the surface, was taken
underground by the Ant people. That'sin our lore as well as the Hopies.
Navajos have the zact same lore.And then after the earth healed,
they came back up and we're ableto sustain themselves back on the surface.
So that is written in our lore. And also the direction of the gods
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and the you know, the sky. We will regard the sun. These
are our gods. There were therewere four pillars of the stars where we
came from. We were we wereborn from the star DNA is part of
our record. Yeah. So howmuch do you believe in the stories the
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Pawnee for instance, Um, likedo you do you see them as mythologies
or how how literal do you taketake those stories, well, I take
them literal because they sustain themselves withtheir agricultural and the way they set up
their UM homes there they're you know, their lodges, and the way they
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would build up their lodges they wouldkeep a hole in the middle so that
they could look up to the starsin the directions. Yeah, they would
have their lodges well skylight see thestars. You know. I love it
when we've traveled out to the youknow, Southwest, UM people that we
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talked to out there, it seems, you know, on on reservations and
off, it seems that there's thiskind of like yeah, of course you
see UFOs like you know, wejust up in the skies and there they
are. UM. It's no likea big deal per se um. But
in regards to humanity, I wouldargue that it's it must signify something.
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There must be some kind of endgame or you know, agenda. What
what what do you think that is? Well, I know that there's a
lot of you know, predisposition forpeople to understand that we're not alone.
We've got a galaxy full of planets, UM star systems. You know,
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UM goes on forever and ever,we haven't even explored outside our solar systems,
So who's to say that these otherinhabited planet solar systems are not inhabited,
you know, And we look tothe we have to in our infinite
minds, look to how we seetoday, how our own Earth works.
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We don't even know at all.We can't even engage. Yeah, so
we're still figuring out our own historytoo exactly. That's ever evolving, Yeah,
trying to get together, trying tounderstand each other from a human aspect,
you know, because we've got differentcultures, whether it's indigenous, whether
it's Caucasian, you know, representationand communities where we're still trying to figure
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out a lot of things, evenhow to get along with each other.
And now we're starting to throw inan extraterrestrial being or you know, we
are considered the terrestrial beings, butwe're now throwing in a new aspect of
a culture that that's communicating with usnow for whatever reason, because if you
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look at what's happening today in ourEarth and how we live day to day,
things are not too great economically,spiritually, and so on and so
forth. So we're looking for answersand maybe these beings are coming down to
assist us, whether we find themuniquely different from us. Yeah, I
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mean I would like to think thatit's like a group of people that argue
and can't get along, and soyou have to kind of like send in
the mediator, right, Like maybethat will play a kind of role and
be like, hey, you're notalone in this universe. Is a lot
going on. You're arguing amongst yourself. You're wasting time. Let's let's change
the conversation. You know, theawareness, the awareness, right, I
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mean Grant Cameron calls it the wowfactor, the quote unquote wow factor,
And it's like like waking up,like it's like surprise, look at us,
and then they go and hide away. Yeah, because it's you know,
it's like we're warming you up.We're getting you guys collectively ready to
have this conversation. You've definitely beenwowed. It's six years ago. And
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what's really interesting, we're also findingDNA being a part of this. It's
been you know, yeah, theDNA of the star people, of the
mitochondria of the DNA are being tracedback to the star people who are the
star people we need. That's that'sthe question we need to ask. Apparently
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my lineage of the skid Ponti isthe Star people lineage m H. And
it's in right now DNA has beencharted. But how do we look at
our DNA um so quote unquote junkDNA and otherwise, how do we look
at that and go, oh,that's there's evidence of Star people. Don't
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we need like some other kind ofgenetic material to kind of compare it to?
Or Yeah, I you know,I've I've heard that there is genetic
material. I mean, you're talkingabout the roswell and students, is you're
talking about all these different land youknow, landings and everything. It's not
publicly known that this DNA is beinggathered, but I'm sure it is.
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And I have been told that Iam a part of that DNA and through
some high level experts I have sharedthat with me. Yeah, I was
gonna say, who who's your Imean, who would tell you part?
Oh no, don't say their name, but I mean, yeah, someone
in the government tours there, Okay, government in science. I would imagine,
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right, we've had this technology forDNA testing for a long time and
if if, if indeed they discoveredbodies at the Roswell crash and other other
incidents. Then they know already evenfrom archaeology, and they're finding the giants.
Now they're finding their bones. We'refinding a lot of evidence. I
mean. The unique strangeness of allof this is it's also in the un
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To Basin, and I'm going toreveal some things that I have been interviewed
and come across. There are sectionsof the u went To Basin that are
not shown to the public unless you'rename American because because it's owned by the
tribe and the tribe has some ancientwritings and things like that that exist on
their lands. Okay that was sharedwith Yeah, thank you so much for
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being on today. I love thisconversation. I wish we could keep chatting.
Thank you. It went really wentfast, did it? It did?
It did? Yeah? Yeah.So when when is a contact in
the desert, It's going to beJune the second through the fourth, Indian
Wells, California. I'm excited.I think people should be. I'm excited
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for you. If anybody wants toget in touch with Michelle, her email
is Progressive Progressive Green Solutions at gmaildot com and Michelle if you can leave
us with one thought related to anything you want. What would it be?
(56:01):
The one thought I want to leteverybody know is love yourself and walking
beauty because that's what's needed today.I think those are some of the messages
that we're we're going to be meaningto learn to change our consciousness of what's
going on today with what we're dealingwith in life. And the NAVA hosts
(56:22):
have a word for a walk andbeauty, and it kind of demystified me
because it went away, but it'sa it's a word that's constantly used on
the reservation. We look at ourland, it's beautiful. We haven't developed
yet like cities, but that isour creed walking beauty. So those are
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the words I want to leave allright. Michelle, thank you so much,
you get all right, and thankyou all for joining us tonight.
I really appreciate you and I wishyou all to walk in beauty as well.
Those are brilliant words of wisdom.Thank you everybody in chat. You
guys rock. And of course ifyou are a fan of this podcast,
please give us a review and acomment wherever you listen to this podcast.
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