What I’ve Learned from Shared Death Experiences and Near Death Experiences, We Are Not Alone

Joining me is Michelle Clare to discuss her metaphysical experiences and spiritual evolution. After years of study, practice, and having gone through multiple NDEs and SDEs, Michelle shares what she has learned, and what she believes is important to pass on to others. Michelle says she has seen angels and entities. She talks about evidence to convince her that these shared death and near death experiences are real.

Michelle Clare connects to Spirit to provide people with profound, detailed life insights. She’s a Certified Medium, Psychic, Energy Healer, Life Coach and frequent speaker/ show guest. Michelle also works as a research medium for the Institute of Noetic Sciences (IONS). Michelle survived 3 Near Death Experiences (NDE’s) within an 11-year span - April 2000, May 2006 and a pivotal event in November 2011 that resulted in a traumatic brain injury. These pivotal events, plus 2 Shared-Death Experiences (SDE’s), have expanded her own awareness and fuelled her desire to help others. http://www.MichelleClare.net

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You're listening to Mystic Lounge with AlanB. Smith, rebroadcast on the ONEX
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However you are and whenever you are, Welcome, good souls to Mystic Lounge.
I'm Alan B. Smith, yourmost grateful host. Tonight we have
a fantastic guest, Michelle Claire.Michelle connects to spirit to provide people with
profound, detailed life insights. She'sa certified medium, psychic, energy healer,
life coach, and frequent speaker showguest. Michelle also works as a

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research medium for the Institute of NoeticSciences the Aions. We like their work.
Michelle survived. I have three neardeath experiences and dees within an eleven
year span April two thousand to Maytwo thousand and six, and a pivotal
event in November twenty eleven that resultedin a traumatic brain injury. These pivotal

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events plus two shared experiences SDEs,which is a new subject that I'm very
excited to discuss on Mystic Lounge,have expanded her own awareness and fueled her
desire to help others. Her websiteis Michelle Claire dot netwill bring Michelle on
a just a moment. As afriendly reminder, this show is rebroadcast on

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all of you. So let's bringour estinged guest, Michelle Claire. Michelle,
how are you. Hello, I'mwonderful. How are you? This
seedning good? Thank you, Welcometo Mistic Lounge. Thank you. I'm
really excited to be here. Yes, well, I think it's fair to
put you in the category of mysticto some degree right Well, with this
many and near death experiences before wedive into that can tell us a little

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bit about where you come from froma spiritual perspective before all these these events
happened. Yeah, so I wasraised Catholic. You know, I remember
the first time that I felt likemaybe this wasn't the right religion for me.
Was when I was in first gradeand my dog died and my Sunday

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school teacher told me that my dogdidn't go to heaven because it didn't have
a soul. And I remember feelingdevastated because I was sure my beautiful little
dog went to heaven. Right.So at a young age, I kind
of started real that I had thisconnection. I would say to source,
I don't even want to say itwas angels or anything. It was just

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like a knowing that that's what theythink, but I don't believe that's true.
So I started to kind of navigatewhat the Catholic religion said was true
and what felt true to me.Many of the good things, though,
that came from it were that Iwas exposed to angels and saints, and
so I was raised to believe Ihad all these beans of light that wanted

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to help me. And if Ilost my whatever, I would pray to
Saint Anthony, and if my dogwas sick, I'd pray to Saint Francis.
So I mean that was the goodpart of it for me. You
are muted, allan. If youhave sorry about that, if you have
some doubts about the religion itself,did you still actually literally believe in the

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Saint themselves as entities. You knowwhat I did? What I It took
me into my death experiences to reallythink about beans of light as energy or
like how we are right. SoI did know that they had been human
at some point in time, andin my mind they were still that human

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form and that heavenly realm. Butwhat I've come to find years later,
after these experiences and after all ofmy mediumship, is we are all supported
by these higher energies or these beingsof light, and a lot of times
they're not really worried about what wecall them. So very often someone will
say, Michelle, what is mylife guide's name? And I'll say,

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today, I can't get a namefor you, but name your life guide.
They're going to be like your puppy. They don't care what you name
it. You've just given it avibrational frequency to respond to you on.
So I found that that really seemsto be true when I'm working that sometimes
I don't know the exact is thisyou know, which is the angel assist?

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What is this angel's names? ButI know the frequency in the vibration
wh I'm working, and I havesaints come in very often. I don't
necessarily think that they are this saintfor all of eternity, right, but
the energy of that saint will comethrough and I'll be able to say,
oh, I have a leather Teresacoming in. Yeah. Well, we
do have some understanding that, atleast in theoretical quantum physics and some actual

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tangible physics, that data doesn't reallydisappear. We don't know how to kind
of bring it back into its originalform. But our existence is in some
form of like a data if wethink of like ones and zero continue on.
So is that what you're communicating withit, or like when we're communicating

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with a spirit or something other,is it really just kind of a part
of a greater consciousness or they actuallystill like a separate being, like the
way we consider ourselves kind of individual. Okay, so I am going to
show you this beautiful picture behind me. It is it's actually much prettier in
person. It's got all these littlesparkles on it. It reminds me of

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the light when I was in heaven. But really what this reminds me of
is two things. One, itreminds me of our soul. So each
time our soul chooses to come inand have another lifetime, it creates another
ray of light. So the rayof light that is Michelle will always exist
as the ray of light is Michelle, and next time I come in,

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I will add a ray of light. With that being said, this picture
also reminds me of the oneness.So think of each one of those rays
of light. That soul that's connectedto all of these versions of Michelle is
also connected to the oneness. Soif there's a god source, divine energy
that we're going to use these termsfor, it really is this connection to

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the oneness. Does Michelle or theindividual continue on infinitely? Yeah, to
some extent, because when I amconnecting with people's loved ones in spirit,
their grandma or somebody that they recognizein their family will come through. So

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obviously there's part of that energy thatstill exists. Now. If I was
reading for someone and their grandma fromtwo thousand lifetimes ago came in and I
was like, oh, I havethis person, they'd be like, what
are you talking about? That's notmy grandma, right, But the piece
that is their grandma will always bethat piece. Yeah, that's an interesting
way to put it. Together.So we want to talk about your near

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death experiences and the shared death experience. But what do you think is best
for us to start with. Doyou want to start with your near death
experiences because the shared death experience isa new topic for me. Okay,
yeah, let's start with my neardeath experiences. Okay, so I've had
three. I'll both give you alittle bit of a background. When I

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was twelve, Race Catholic, asI had said, when I was twelve,
my grandfather had transitioned, and Irealized that he and I were still
communicating. So I would tell mymom Grandpa says, and she would say,
well, that's what you think hewould say if he was still here.
So I kind of learned that noone else was having these conversations with
Grandpa, so I kind of startedto keep it to myself. Gotcha,

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my grandma transitions a few years later, similar story. So I'm aware that
I have some level of communication thatnot everyone appears to have, but I
really don't do anything about it.I don't have the words for mediumship,
and actually, even through my threenear death experiences, I don't even know
their near death experiences. I justknow their experiences. It wasn't a term

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that was in my vocabulary. Soto set the stage for my first near
death experience, I had just beenmarried a few years. I didn't have
any children. We were in thehospital that day, it was in April
two thousand to watch my sister andLashi had just had a baby, so
we were visiting her and the baby. I was actually in the hallway talking

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to her Rn, who was myfriend from high school. And what happened
to was I had a seizure.And when I had this seizure, obviously
my body hit the floor. Butwhat I remember is opening my eyes and
I was laying with my head inmy grandma's lap, and my grandma was
the youngest, healthiest version of herthat I could remember seeing, and I

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noticed the immense love, the blissfulenergy around us, this timeless sense.
And then I realized that I wasin what appeared to be a room with
white walls, and these walls werealive and breathing, So each cell or
molecule was radiating this light and love, and although they appeared solid, they

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were alive. And as I waslaying there, I look up next to
my grandma and there is this twelvefoot angel, and this a angel's presence
was immense and it just almost pullsyou in and energetically hugs you. And
I remember thinking that I wanted tosee her feather wings, right because we
all know angels have feather wings.And as I went to look for them,

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what I realized was that her wingswere made of light, and they
reminded me of the pictures I've seenof the Aurora borealis where they kind of
would move with that energy and theyjust seem to span eternity. So you're
looking at this light, but thelight seems to like extend into eternity.

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Yeah. Absolutely, Okay, absolutely, And so as I'm laying there,
I'm thinking in my head, I'mthinking, what is your name? And
she answers me and she says,my name's Madeline. I'm one of your
guardian angels. And I was quitesurprised because I didn't know about telepathic communication
at that point in time, soI didn't know that she could hear what
I was thinking. But I'm justreally laying in this beautiful, blissful energy,

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feeling more love than I had everfelt in my life, not worried
about the time. The next thingI know, I hear someone yelling code,
code, code, and I hadquit breathing, and because I was
already in the hospital, they werecalling the code team. So the next
thing I know, I'm shoved backin my body. And it did feel
like I got shoved in, likeit was my body felt too small for

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where I had been, like gettingshoved in the jeans that don't fit.
Interesting. Yeah, And then thenext thing I realized was just how heavy
and dense everything was. I wentfrom filling like a feather floating into this
heavy energy of like density cement.My arm felt like it weighed five hundred
pounds. And so at that pointin time, they admitted me into the

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hospital and they were never able tocome up with why I had the seizure.
So I had never had one beforeor had one since. Is that
a novel description of near deithic espear? It is the sense of feeling
shoved, like shoved back into abody that doesn't fit. Yeah, you
know, I haven't heard that much, to be honest. Okay, So
you know, I mean I thinkthat some inde years will say that,

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and we a lot of times you'llat least hear them talk about how heavy
and dense it feels when they comeback. But that was kind of what
I felt like. I felt likeI was trying to put on a pair
of jeans that I outgrew as akid, like getting shoved back in my
body and it was so heavy,and oh what am I doing here?
Well, yeah, but with thegenes you want to be like, I
don't want to get this thing off. But with your body, how did

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you feel? Were you comfortable?Comfortable? No, it was uncomfortable for
a little bit. It literally feltlike it took me time to acclimate to
being in a body again. Iwould like to say this, I perceived
myself as having a body in thatheavenly realm. Remember I said my head
was in my grandma's lap, LikeI perceived that I had a body,

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but it was just featherweight and itfelt light and fluffy. And then to
come back into this density, itwas intense. I had an experience once
where I was just walking and thiswas actually in high school when we were
in a gym and all of asudden we're talking to someone, and all
of a sudden, it felt likeI was out of the body looking down

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and it was very brief and thenI was like and then I was back
in again, and that was theonly time I've ever had that experience.
Wow. Do you see a correlationbetween the kind of spontaneous out of body
experiences and near death experiences? Well? Yeah, I mean the correlation is
that they're both out of body experiences. Right. Usually OBEs or out of

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body experiences are not always caused bytrauma. Sometimes people have them when they're
doing psychedelics or you know, differentexperiences like that. Sometimes people have them
in meditation, right, So itjust kind of depends. But to me,
they're similar. I've had one outof body experience when my friend was

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working on me doing healing energy.There are no no psychedelics involved or anything
like that. And as that happened, I really was taken back into that
unconditional light, that that beautiful loveand bliss, And I literally said,
I said, this was after mythree d's, by the way, I

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said, may I please stay?And the answer was no, and once
again I got shoved back into myheavy, dense body. Wow. Okay,
So this thing about light, I'veheard different descriptions of the light.
Mindy Tautfest, who is the directorof the Muffin University. MU, sure

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you have a network. She discussedseeing something like a pink light and it
was kind of like this, thecentral almost like almost like abstract shape.
Uh, have you seen shapes oris it always sort of like a pinpoint
light coming out? So you know, I love that you're asking that.

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When I'm in the light, itactually is all encompassing. So it would
be like going outside and standing ina bright sunny day. It's all around
you. I don't see it asa pinpoint. And in none of my
NDEs did I ever see a tunnel. A lot of times we'll hear about
people seeing a tunnel of light comingfor them, and that just hasn't been

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an experience that I've had. I'malways all completely in the light? What
about now? What about now?You know what? Yes? Actually I
would say yes, but I'm havingmy human experience at the same time.
And there is a difference between beingin the light in that heavenly realm where

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you can release your humanness versus beingin the light on planet Earth. And
you can be in the light inboth places, but it feels very different.
Yeah, you know, and justspeaking from a psychological perspective, having
a mindset is really important. Howmuch of the work, the spiritual work
is psychological versus tapping into some higherrealm. For me, I feel like

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the majority of it is the higherrealm. I mean, I've got to
be in the right frame of mindwhen I'm working for myself or working with
clients. Right. We all know, even if you're somebody who meditates,
if you're having a really bad dayand it's hard to get yourself kind of
in alignment, it's a little bitmore of a challenge. So for me,

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it's really been about training myself overthe years to be able to enter
that state very rapidly, to beable to go into the readings and connect
with spirit and source and that higherlevel of information. And very often what
I love about this is when I'mconnecting with someone's spirit team, they know

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the person I don't, so theyare giving them the guidance, the answers,
the direction, the navigational tools thatthis end of needs. It's not
something that hum and Michelle would havethought of, Like, I could give
you my best advice, but it'snot going to be nearly as good as
your life guides or your loved onescoming in Okay, and if anyone's just
tuning in now, you can findout more about Michelle at Michelleclaire dot net.

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So what about your other near deathexperience? So, my next one
happened in April of two thousand,actually it was May of two thousand and
at that point in time, Inow had three little kids. I had
a five year old, a twoand a half year old, and my
son was six weeks old. SoI had had him on April first,
and I had had many complications.So for about six weeks after I had

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him, the majority of that time, I was in and out of the
hospital, mostly in and then i'dcome home for two days and then be
back in. So finally the doctorsdecided they needed to do a DNC,
which is a procedure where they clearout the uterus, and they said,
this will be a forty five minuteoutpatient procedure. You'll be fine, this
is going to cure your problems.You can go home. And I was

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quite exhausted and ready for this processto be done. So the night before
I just had a pit in mystomach and I felt like I shouldn't do
it, but they had reassured meto be quite easy so I went in
and I had had anesthesia before,and whenever I've had it, it's really
just a blank space. I'm notremembering, I'm not dreaming, there's just

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nothing there. So I remember countingbackwards for the anesthesiologist. The next thing
I know, I am laying onthe gurney and my beautiful one hundred and
two pound white German shepherd that hadpassed away a couple of years before,
walks into the operating room, laysher head on my gurney, and we
are gone, and we are onthis amazing beach. And on this beach

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there are colors that we don't havehere, emotion, sight, sound,
smells everything, every drop of waterin the ocean, every piece of sand,
every flower radiating this light and lovefrom inside. I'm looking at my
beautiful dog. She looks like she'sabout two years old. We are telepathically

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communicating. She's so happy I'm there. She's glowing. I mean, I
can just feel her love for me, my love for her. And we
are running on this beach. Andwhat I notice after a while is that
we don't get hot or tired orthirsty. The sand feels like clouds,
and so then I start to realizelike, wow, this is different,

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and not just that there's that blissful, unconditional love around me. So when
I'm on the beach with her,what happens is I become aware that my
son, who was six weeks oldand at home with my mom, is
calling to me, and he's scaredbecause he knows that I'm getting ready to
leave. So in this near deathexperience, what I realize is our soul

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can be in more than one placeat a time. Part of my soul
goes to my son, and Isaid to him, I said, don't
worry, I'm not going to leaveyou. I will find a way to
stay. And I didn't know whatto do or how that was going to
happen. So I started praying andI just started saying, it's not my
time. I need help. Mykids still need me here. The next

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thing I know, I'm transported backinto the operating room. Jesus comes in.
And Jesus came in very much feelinglike my best friend, not saying
bow down to me, or prayto me, or confess your sins.
He comes in as my best friend. I see the operating room light up
with this beautiful golden white light.And the next thing I know, I'm

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waking up in postop and my fortyfive minute procedure had turned into a three
and a half hour emergency surgery becausethey had ruptured my uterus in multiple places
and they missed an artery by literallya millimeter. That you know, it's
really saddening to hear these kind ofstories. It seems to happen far too

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often. What did you do afterthat? I mean, you had this
profound experience. Okay, so nowyou also have this other issue with dealing
with the hospital and the doctors andyour health. Yeah. Absolutely, so
what happened The infection then got pushedinto my body cavity, so then I
was running fevers and in the hospitaleven longer. So I add quite the

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physical trauma from this, and whathappens with this experience is all I know
is it's a very vivid experience.I know it was real, but I
don't know what's near death experience.I don't really know who I can talk
to about this, as a lotof people will say who have in des
They're like, who do you tell? Right? And so anyways, I

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end up being in the hospital.I believe for another ten days or so.
After that, I finally get home. I have an infant, a
two and a half year old,a five year old. It takes me
at least four months to get backto eighty percent ability of functioning, just
because of what my body had gonethrough with the trauma. So I really

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now have, I would say,is stronger intuition and more connection to spirit
world, but I don't do anythingwith it. I'm kind of in survival
mode with these three little kids,and I'm a stay at home mom and
married, and so there isn't anythingthat I do with it at that point
in time. So that triggered thatthird event, triggered what you might call

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it a psychic ability. It did. It is really the one that just
kind of broke me open, forlack of a better word. And so
what was the first moment that happened. You thought, oh, my gosh,
this is strange that I had thisintuition or sense from the third near
death experience or the second the firstone they ever had where you thought,

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oh, oh, something is differentabout my mind. Yeah. So with
that, it was just that Ireally started to become more aware of angels
and I felt more connected to mygrandma, or like the mediumship between myself
and my loved ones seemed to floweven more smooth. So interesting. It's
like the mediumship with the loved onesearlier was kind of almost priming you for

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that, Like it's like practice almostexactly. Yeah, so it wouldn't seem
so foreign. Interesting. So whenwere you in this world right and you
had a moment and you're like,oh my gosh, I predicted something or
I connected to someone consciously or whateverit might be. You know, I
would say that started when my grandfatherpassed, but it's not until my third

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near death experience in November of twentyeleven. That after that is when I
start getting information for other people thatis really kind of out of my league,
is how I would have described itat the time. Yeah. I
have a comment here from Charles smart. Hey, Charles, good to see
it. He's a regular. Hesays, in the process, you learn

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that the ones to tell referring whodo you tell when you have this experience
are all the others who have beenthere, And then that's what you're doing.
So who did you to? Whodid you talk to? First?
So I shared these experiences with mymom and my mom. It wasn't that
she didn't believe me, she justdidn't understand them. And this was at
a point in time before Google waseverywhere and you could start putting this stuff

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in and pulling up all the information, right, So, I mean my
mom understood and believed, but shedidn't know what to make of it.
So I really just kind of carriedthis within myself. My husband at the
time was not open to things likethis. I think they kind of confused
him and maybe made him a littlebit fearful. So it was almost just
this gift that I carried within.And so what do you do now with

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the gift? Yeah, well,so let's talk about my third indeed,
because that's what really launched me intothe mediumship. So from the second one,
I do nothing. I go back, I'd be mom. I have
a higher maybe intuitive ability, butI really don't do anything. And then
my third one comes and member oftwenty eleven, so eleven one eleven for

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people who like numbers. And atthat point, my kids are ten and
eight and five, and I havefourteen foot ceilings in my house, so
I am up about twelve feet offthe ground. I have battery operated candles,
and I tell my younger two kids, as soon as I get done
putting this candle up, we're gonnago get your sister from school. And

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so I climb up the ladder.As I'm getting towards the top, I
feel it start to shift and Iliterally think, oh, this is gonna
hurt. And at that moment,I am ripped out of my body,
not in a painful way, butlike bungee cord fast kind of way.
And I am turned around, facingmy body in the ladder, suspended in

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the air, and I'm standing withthese three people that I don't know,
but they feel like they are eithervery close family or friends. I feel
like I've known them my whole life. There's an Asian man, a Hawaiian
man, and an Egyptian woman andthey're standing there with me, and I'm
looking at the ladder and my bodylike a freeze frame in a movie,

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knowing that they're going to hit thefloor in a second. And they said
to me, these three people,they said, what would you like to
do? Would you like to stayor go? And as they say this,
I see another angel come in.And this is not the same angel
from my first near death experience.This angel is dressed in red and gold,
and as soon as I see thisangel, I know that it is

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here to either take me home tothat heavenly realm or shift something so that
I can stay. So I'm sittingin this beautiful, loving, blissful no
time space, and I'm kind oftrying to figure out how I have forever
to decide if I want to stayor go when I know my body's going

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to hit the floor in less thana second. And I was wondering,
honestly, I'm like, how comeon, They're not rushing me. You
would think they'd be like, hurryup, what do you want to do
now? I had forever to decide, So as I look, I see
my two younger kids right there inthe kitchen, And when I see my
kids, I know that I needto stay. So the minute that I

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make the decision to stay, Iam downloaded with information. And the information
is okay, But now you've gotto go back and you've got to be
a medium, and you've got tohelp people in the way that you can
help them. They told me thatmy marriage would most likely end in divorce,
that there would be more trauma lateron in my life, and a
lot of information still is revealed becausethere was so much at that point in

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time. I don't think my humannesscould comprehend it all. But I remember
making a conscious decision to come back, even knowing that I was told things
would get challenging at certain points intime. So I end up falling,
and what happens is I hit theback of my head on the corner of
my granite island. So I hada five and a half inch skull fracture.

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I had a brain bleed. Ilost my taste, my smell,
my equilibrium, part of my hearing. But what they figured out was I
survived the fall by half an inch. Literally, I missed my brain stem
by half an inch, which washow much that angel had moved my head.
That is insane, and one wonders, how could you possibly imagine that?

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Like, let's assume the angels aren'treal, right, right, that
the skeptical approach would be okay,what could have happened? I mean,
how does that happen? How couldyou imagine something like being moved just just
so when you're in a situation whenyou're falling like that within less than a
split second, right, right?Or how could I get out and see

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my body but frozen in time likeit was with the ladder. The really
interesting thing too, for anyone who'sever had a traumatic brain injury, Oh
there's a lot to get over.I couldn't even sit up. Sometimes I
couldn't see. Sometimes I couldn't rapemy name. You know. It wasn't
a place where you could go oftento imagine this daydream world when you have

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a traumatic brain injury. How longwas the recovery? So I was in
the hospital about ten days, butthe recovery took a long time. I'm
actually still in cranial sacrel therapy andthat was years ago, so there's still
a process of healing. I thinkour bodies always want to heal. But

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I would say after a couple yearsthings were pretty good for me. I
would just start to have for togo sometimes, which is still an issue
I have. When you have theseexperiences, it's the sudden on set of
some sort of consciousness or you know, entering into another realm that's very sudden

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afterwards, and the only part ofthat I can can make This too,
would be like when people say thatthey did a lot of ELICTI when they're
younger, and then they would justget these sort of like random moments of
like you know, seeing trails orlights and things like that. Do you
have sort of echo moments of theevent later? You know? I do.

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And one of the things that willalways take me back to that unconditional
loving space will be if I'm outsideand there are leaves on a tree and
kind of like the wind is blowing, and you know how if the sun
is right behind it, it lookslike the leaf is lighting up from within.
Yeah, whenever I see that,or sometimes I'll see that with blades

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of grass, it literally takes meback into that unconditional, blissful, timeless
space. Interesting, and what isthat space? That would be what I
call our heavenly realm. But Ifeel like that isn't really complete when I

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say that, because what it isis it so much more than that.
It's not a place where you goif you're good, or you get locked
out of if you're bad. It'sreally a space of unconditional love. And
most people who've had near death experienceswill call it home because it is when
you are in that energy, itis more like being at home than you've

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ever been in your life. Sofunny because my wife and I were just
watching this interview with Matt Damon andStephen Colbert. Stephen Colbert ask him,
well, you know, what,what do you think happens to you after
death? And he says, Igo home. There is this overwhelming sense
of home from all near death orninety some percent of near death experiencers.
I know there are some who havedo have kind of almost hell like or

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very scary experiences. How do youhow do you, because you've worked with
ions, how do you, youknow, reconcile that with your own experience?
Right? So, what I havefound in because I was raised Catholic,
because I believe in Jesus, becauseI believe in angels, right,

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that heavenly realm is always made fromlove and compassion, and it's going to
tend to greet us in the waythat we expect it. So for me,
if let's say, you know,Buddha showed up, I might have
been like, huh, who areyou? Right? Because I wasn't raised
with that. I was raised withJesus, right, So I feel like
part of this is created by oursoul in what we believe we're going to

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experience. So if somebody is transitioning, and they believe they're going to heaven
and it is an island. Theyare going to find this beautiful island in
this water. If they believe it'smountains or streams or whatever, they're going
to find this because that energy ofheaven is all about love and compassion and
welcoming them in. Now. Sometimeswhen people are transitioning, they have a

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feeling of I'm not worthy, Iwas a bad human, I'm going to
go to hell, whatever their ideasare, and so in an interesting way,
they create an uncomfortable reality that theystep into. But here's what we
know. Most of the nde erswho have had a negative experience, I
think there's another word they use forit than negative, But anyway, who've

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had an experience that wasn't all lightand love. What we find is that
while they're in this experience, theywill always say, and then the hand
of God came in and pulled meout, or I saw the light.
So what happens is somebody might transitionin their mind in a way that they're
expecting something negative, but the beansof light are always holding space around them

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so that they can move into whatwould feel better and much more comfortable.
So it's not necessarily hell like aplace hell, but something like the dark
knight of the soul, going intothe abyss and so that you can learn
something about yourself and then you're pulledout of it. Yeah, there's no

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such thing as being sentenced to anyof those frequencies or vibrations for eternity.
It would be an experience. Buteven when I'm working with spirit, they've
made me clear, made it clearto me that they're always holding space around
every soul. So whether we're awareof it or not, we have this

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team of beans of light, angels, life guides, loved ones who transitioned
before us that are always holding thespace for me. Michelle de schoulp as
my highest best self. That's truehere on earth, and that will be
true when I leave my body.Do you have any foresight of what your

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own life? Because you mentioned somethingabout seeing I think your own death,
so I haven't seen that. Butwhat I do know is that I believe
I'm here for quite a while.Everything that I've been told, I think
I'm going to be in my ninetieswhen I transition, And just going off
of the three near death experience thatI've had they've all happened so quick.

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I believe that my fourth and lasttime will be quick and I will be
out. I guess, well,I hope for all of us it's quick.
Yeah. So shared death experience,now we really have to dive into
this. I guess. My generaltake on that is that multiple people are

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in the near death experience, butthey're aware of each other. Yeah,
so there's a couple. Well,I've had two and let me I'll explain
those with you. But shared deathexperiences are when we have somebody who is
transitioning and then there is somebody whois healthy with them. So either you're
sitting with a loved one at hospiceor whatever this situation is. So the

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shared death experience is actually for theone who is healthy. And what happens
is sometimes we will see this asmaybe they're sitting with Grandma and they see
like a beautiful light leave her body, or the curtains vily gently move as
she transitions, right all the wayup to people who have said they've seen

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their loved one's life review. Now, there's a common theme with the people
who get the shared death experience.They are usually left with a lot of
peace because they know and they feeland they see that their loved one is
okay. And how do we knowfor a fact that it's shared, Well,
because we know we have one personexperiencing it or one soul experiencing it

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and another soul which would be almostlike a tag along energy getting to experience
it too, and they confirm thiswith each other. Well, a lot
of times there's not confirmation because theone is the one soul is transitioning,
gotcha, okay, So they're noton the precipice, and then they kind

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of enter into this realm, comeback to life, and they can confirm
it and then actually complete the transition. It's it's a full transition. So
really you're left with the one personthat's alive, that's with them, that
suddenly has this consciousness awareness of theother side or whatever's happening. Absolutely,

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and you'll feel like it's not theirmind sort of giving themselves a form of
comfort. Well, you know itcould be, but a lot of times
they are shown thing that they wouldn'thave known before, and it's really hard.
Like I can tell you, imaginethe most loved you've ever felt in
your whole life, and you cango back to whatever that moment was,
just like I can in my humanexistence, and it still doesn't compare to

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that heavenly love that you feel ina near death experience, which totally agrees
with near death experiences reports, isthat it's an overwhelming love that nothing can
compare to. Exactly so, whenyou have a human who feels that while
they are sitting there healthy with nophysical trauma, when Grandma's transitioning, it

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changes their life. Gotcha, Andso for you, what did you see?
So for me, my first shareddeath experience was actually with one of
my beautiful dogs, and she washere at the house. She had lymphoma,
and so the vet had come overto euthanize her, and my mom

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had already transitioned at this point intime, and I was working as a
medium, but there was no partof me being a medium. That morning.
I was laying on the ground nextto her in my pajamas, crying,
and the vet gave her the anesthesia, and then as I was just
hugging her and holding her, Ifelt her soul gently detach from her body

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like a feather on the wind.And in that moment I heard my mom
say I have her now, andthen about thirty seconds later, the vet
listened to her heart and said shewas gone. But I had felt this
beautiful, gentle detaching. I heardmy mom's voice, I felt the love
that she was in and so thatwas very peaceful and calming for me because

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I knew where she was and Iknew who had her. The other near
death experience that happened just happened veryrecently. It was just this January of
twenty twenty four, and at thispoint in time, I was actually at
the salon getting my hair done,and I was back under the dryer and
my lady comes back and she says, Oh, we have a guy out
front who's passed out. We hadto call nine to one one. And

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as I'm getting up and walking towardsthe front of the building, I hear
spirits say fit and all overdose.And I can start to fill this man's
energy around me. And as Iget up to the front of the building,
the police are pulling up. They'restarting to work on him. There's
really nothing for me to do,but I can fill his soul. By
this time, I also do knowthis is a shared death experience because I'm

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familiar with these, so I knowwhat's happening. So I'm calling in the
light, calling in the angels forhim, for the first responders, you
know, just kind of holding thatspace. But he was not planning on
leaving. This was not him endinghis life. This was an OOPS,
and so there was a little bitof confusion around him. And so what
happened was his soul and mind kindof linked in. So at some point

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I go back and sit down inher chair. They've loaded him up in
the ambulance. They're driving him tothe hospital, and I can feel that
he is coding, and I canfeel that they are paddling his chest.
And with that, it was asif I was right there in the ambulance
with them. And as I'm sittingin this energy for a little bit,

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what happens. Then I'm still,you know, praying and calling in that
light. I feel him disconnect andI feel him move into that heavenly realm,
so I know that he transitioned tothe other side. Now I didn't
know his name, I wasn't family. I couldn't call the hospital to confirm
this, but there was a verystrong knowing, and I literally felt his
soul release from his body. Dopeople who have shared death experiences? Do

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they have their own experiences? First? Does it prime you to have a
shared death experience? Or can anyonehave a shared death experience? Anyone can
have a shared death experience. Andthere's actually a place in Santa Barbara,
a clinic where if you have aloved one who is terminally ill, you
can go there and they train youhow to have a shared death experience with

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your loved one. Really, youshould look into William Peters. He's the
founder of all of this. WilliamPeters. Wow, Okay, so I
guess you know there are people whotrain for you know, to improve their
psychic mediumship or psychic abilities. Isit akin to that? I believe it
would be similar because what we read, you're like, I can do it.

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I don't need to know. Well, I think it would be similar
because what you're doing is even withhumans, right, we're all on vibrational
frequencies. There's some people we resonatewith more than others, right, I
mean, just it's it's a vibrationalfrequency. So what we're really I'm assuming
I have not gone through the training, but the way I would perceive it
is we're really unifying this vibrational frequencybetween these two people or these two souls,

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so that as that one is gettingready to transition, the other one,
for lack of a better word,gets to go along for the ride.
That's pretty cool ride. Yeah,So have of these shared death experiences?
Have we had any of the darkshared death experiences? Not that I'm

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aware of, and that would youknow? So with the gentleman who had
the fentanyl overdose, I could feelhis confusion because he wasn't planning on leaving
his body that day, but ona soul level that he gravitated right to
me and knew that I would beable to call in the light and hold
that space for him, not knowingwhether he would transition or not. So

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there's more going on than just ourhumanness, right Like, our souls do
know when they're going to exit ourbodies, and in a lot of times,
depending on our life plan and whatwe want to experience, they will
set that up so that they arealso our soul is growing, learning and
evolving in the way that it wantedto in this lifetime. So I'm a

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big fan of the Matrix. Thefourth film in the series was very punk
and meta, and it really wasn'tthat great of a film, and it
was almost designed not to be.On the one hand, I understand what
lan of Wachowski was going for.The hand, on the other hand,
it's like people paid tickets for thisthey shouldn't have to. But there were

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some really good aspects to it.I just heard in the news yesterday that
they're going to actually do not theWachowski's, but they're going to help produce
a new Matrix. I think withthe continuum of certain characters. And you
know, even after the last movietotally bombed, there still is this this
desire, this draw to something likethe Matrix. And I wonder, is

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is it kind of reflecting our reality? Do you think that there's any chance
we're in some sort of simulation likereality? I absolutely do. Oh really
I do. Okay, So what'syour how do you conceive of that?
Okay? So for me, whathappened was I had this connection with spirit

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during meditation, and Spirit said tome, Michelle, you ran this lifetime
in simulation one hundred times before youwould come in. So what it told
me was that my soul or yoursoul, who any of our souls,
this is not just special to mindit's like being in that Driver's ed simulator
in high school. Right. SoI did this little simulator and I and

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I wanted to to I said,oh that was great, Okay, now
I want to take on a bodyand do that. There's a difference when
you're driving the car from the simulatorto actually being on the freeway driving the
car. Right. So although Ihave uped the game and I've made it
more real than the simulator, mysoul knows this is a simulation. We

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don't die. So I am hereto have this experience in the contrast,
but I'm not really going to diewhen this is over, and neither are
you. Interesting. Okay, Soif I can think of a metaphor,
so those of us who are oldenough to remember. So, when I
was in high school, we hada simulator class. But it's not like

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simulators like we think of today.Right. It was like a projection of
driving on the wall, and thenyou had this little machine with a steering
wheel. It didn't matter what youdid, it didn't change the screen because
it was you and like six otherpeople you know, all in these little
simulators. But the idea was toacclimate you so that when you get to
the road. It's less shocking,is that? Is that what you're talking
about? Yeah? Yes, Sofrom my understanding from spirit is that there

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is a way to have a simulationof this lifetime before we come in,
or simulate it many many times,and then we go ahead and we take
the next step in the simulation,which is like getting in the car and
driving down the freeway. However,in the grand scheme of things, that's
still a simulation, it's just amore intense version. What are the tenets

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of living that you think are themost important spiritually, the most important things
for spiritual living. That's a greatquestion, you know, boy, it's
hard to choose just a couple.I mean, I think number one.
When we come in as a soulto this human form, we actually do

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come to learn and play and grow. And what happens is we get caught
up in life and we forget alot of times that we're actually a spiritual
being, plain human. We're nota human. And so when we tap
back into the wholeness of who weare and the fact that none of us
are living this life alone. Weall have spirit teams, we all chose

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to be here, so no oneis accidentally on planet Earth. Then all
of a sudden it becomes an empoweringstory where it's not what happened to me,
it's how this happened and I overcameit or moved through it, or
the lesson I learned from it.It's about opportunities and growth, not about
being victimized. So gratitude, Ithink I heard that in there somewhere.

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Do you feel how important do youthink that? Is? Number? One?
Okay, that's kind of that's howI feel. Not silly gratitude.
Not I'm going to let people abuseme and I'm just going to be happy
about life just because. But veryspecific gratitude, I feel works very effectively.
You think of like very specific thingsthat it's like, you know what,

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despite all the crap that I'm goingthrough right now, I have these
things and that's so so amazing.Yeah, heartfelt gratitude. It's truly in
your heart. What are the thingsyou're most grateful for? Oh? My
gosh, my kids, I mean. And at the same time, those
kids keep me coming back. Ihad a couple of chances to leave,
but you know, I think thatthat was why, you know, I'm

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so grateful for my kids. I'mso grateful for my friends and my family,
Like, really, I have somuch to be grateful for, but
the most important thing to me arethese amazing connections that I have with these
other souls, because that is reallywhat this life is about. Now,
there's nothing wrong with having the bighouse, in the fast car and whatever

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like That's okay, that's part ofplaying on planet Earth. I'm not somebody
who sees any problems with that.But you just have to know at the
end of the day that what youtake with you is the love and the
memories. You're not taking the caror the house or any of that.
And so we come here to learnand play and grow and realize what it's
like to find other souls that wecan communicate with and that truly get us.

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And that's really a gift. Yeah, absolutely, absolutely. And I
think sometimes you can be detracted byand this is how I feel, by
zealousy and belief systems, because thoseare almost sort of like operating programs that
can you know, trump your freemind to live spiritually freely in the way

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that you're kind of meant to.How do you feel about religion and dogma
versus spiritual living Okay. So I'mactually okay with religion as long as you're
not hurting anyone or killing someone inthe name of your God or your beliefs,
you know, because what I thinkis, we are on a planet

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that has about eight billion people here. Each one of them has their own
reality, their own soul plan,and really some of them come to see
what is it like to be whatis it like to be Jewish? What
is it like to choose to findGod source the Divine in this way?
And so as long as you areactually being here from a place of love
and loving people, it doesn't matterwhich avenue you take to get to God.

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And so I don't actually have anissue with that. Now. I
have a hard time when we useit to separate each other, from separate
us from each other, or tosay, oh, well I'm better because
I'm this religion, you're not goingto have enter, you know. I
mean, those are the problems withreligion, is that we've used them to
separate. But the truth is,if everybody really lived in love and kindness,

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it doesn't matter what your religion is. The Bible, as far as
I can understand, I think there'ssomething like nine different levels of angels or
something like that. There's like ninetypes of angels. Maybe I'm wrong on
the number, maybe it's seven.Have you seen different types of entities at

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all of the angels? Good question. Let's start with angels, Okay,
Yeah, So with angels, I'mvery familiar with three. So I see
like a Cherub type angel, Isee a guardian angel, and then I
see the arch angels. So thoseare the three that I'm most familiar with.

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There was one other one that actuallyI was just reading for gentlemen about
a month ago, and this angelI had never seen one like it before.
It was almost completely golden. Andwhat I would say was this angel
was like the keeper of his Akashakrecord. It was when I had never
seen before, and it was almostas though when I was filling into that

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energy, this angel was created specificallyas a perfect vibrational match for this soul's
a kashak record. Interesting. Andthen Cherub, we're not talking about like
little babies, right, No.I see them as smaller, but I
see them as they're here to bringjoy, They're here to ring a lot
of times I'll see them around animalsbecause like when we look at animals,

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animals tend to be happy and findcontentment and peace, and when I see
them during readings, I know thatthis is either a joyful person or this
person needs to find more joy.Yeah, oh that's that's wonderful the play
thing, you know, mammals dothat. But then we see the inn
other other species too, and Iunderstand evolutionary like all the explanations and it
totally totally makes sense. But itreally is a beautiful thing to watch,

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especially when you see like a crossspecies like a deer and a cat playing
or a fox or something like that. Right, what what is our relationship
to tow animals? I mean,is there anything in particular that that we
should be thinking of and when we'rewhen we're when we're relating to animals.
Yeah, So animals, they havesouls. Number one, They are here

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to experience planet Earth, whether theychose to come in as a deer or
a fox or a whale or orwhatever it is at this point in time,
they actually have free will to behere too. So no animal is
sentenced to planet Earth. It isa soul that is chosen to come here.
So our relationship with them should bevery respectful. I mean respectful like

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we would a human, whether it'sa wild animal or your pet dog or
whatever this is. And I willsay this, animals are very telepathic.
So even animals in nature, youcan communicate by sending them visual ideas of
what you're thinking, or sending themthe energy frequency of love, and they
will respond almost immediately to that.I tried to to send visuals to our

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cat, like what happened? Youused to sleep on our laps and now
you don't, Yeah, like what'sgoing on here? I don't think I've
gotten through to her yet, butI think I honestly, I think it
might be because we moved so manytimes within a short period of time.
I think that might have called somesort of sense of unsettledness. So I

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think we're trying to work through that. But you mentioned entities earlier, so
have you seen anything like extraterrestrials orthat sort of thing. So I haven't
actually seen them, but I havefelt their energy, So I do truly
believe they exist, and I believethat they will be well known here on
planet Earth within the next few years. I don't think we're decades away from

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that becoming well known. That fallsa little bit in line with there's this
whole ongoing push for just u ipUFO disclosure. I've always thought we're probably
looking at about five years from now. You know, maybe a few years
from now things will start really rolling. But right now I see evidence of

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the intelligence community and whoever else isin the no private industry probably really pushing
back on the efforts that have occurredover the past five years. And so
that's why I'm thinking more of likethe five year your timeline. Do you
think that would be a good thingif we are fully aware that, Oh,
my gosh, I think so.I think there's going to be some

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challenges for humanity with that. Sopeople who are really concrete in their belief
of their religion that might say weare the top of the food chain,
the most intelligent creatures in the universemight be a little shocked when we find
out we're not. So I thinkthere is some reason why that will be
challenging. Also, I liked Iwas just thinking about this the other day,

(55:28):
the divide that COVID brought. Youwear a mask, You're not wearing
a mask? Right? That wassomething it was still human and human.
We're just talking mask to mask,right, or no mask. So when
we're talking about a whole other species, which I do believe there are species
of them on our planet already,but it becoming public or being made known,

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there is going to be some divisionand some pushback and fear. Yeah,
So instead of leaving it on fear, right, if you could leave
us with any any thought that youchoose, what would it be? It
would be to remember that we alwayshave free will. So you had free
will on a soul level, andyou chose to be here, and you

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have free will on a human level, which is to choose how you want
to see your experience. So insteadof choosing it from a place of fear,
choose it from a place of love, from a place of gratitude,
and being able to use these lessonsto move forward in your life and to
help other people. Beautiful Michelle,Where can people find out more about you
at my website Michelle Clare clare dotnet. All right, great, so

(56:37):
everyone please check out Michelle's website.Michelle, this has been an absolute pleasure.
I really really enjoyed this conversation.Thank you so much for coming on.
Thank you so much for having me. I've enjoyed it too, okay,
great, and thank you everyone forjoining us tonight. I really appreciate
it. If you have any questionsfor me, you can always email me
at powernormal Now at aol dot com, or you can message me on Instagram

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at power normal Now. I'll seeyou all soon next actually next week,
we have a special show on theCoffee and UFO's podcast discussing uap UFO disclosure.
And my light behind me is blinkinglike crazy right now. I don't
know what's going on. Maybe hitsome Michelle's energy. We'll see anyway,
Thank you all, stay tuned moreto come. I appreciate you and always.

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