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However you are, and whenever youare, welcome, good souls to Mystic
Lounge. This is Alan B.Smith. Thank you so much for joining
us again for another episode. Tonight. We're doing one of my favorite topics,
and that is the very nature ofreality itself, its potential construct and

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the idea that physics and science,evidentiary science supports the idea that perhaps we
are in something like a simulation.Of course, our guests tonight are going
to go a little bit more beyondyour your general thought regarding the words simulation.

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Uh, it's a little bit moremetaphysical, a little more spiritual.
So I think you'll really really digtonight's topic. My guests are well,
two really smart people. We havea physicist and we have a brilliant co
author which I'm going to bring onright now here at the audio. Marcia,

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how are you good? Great?So I'm really excited. I'm really
geeked out about your book, TheMiracle of Our Universe. Thank you,
because you you really take us downa different kind of a rabbit hole than
for me, at least than whatwe're used to. So why don't you

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start us off a little bit withyour credentials Bernard and Marcia, and how
you ended up working together, andMarcia, how you supported Bernard in the
process of writing this book, andsome of these brilliant ideas. Well.
I call, first of all,I call my husband Bernie Bernard and Marsha.

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Bernie and Marsha, we're married,We've been married for thirty six years.
Do you prefer Bernie? I believeso would. Yeah. Bernard is
this formal name we used for thepublication, but Bernie's just a little more
personable and you know, up tempo. Yeah. So you wanted to know

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how we came together in this collaboration, Well it goes back thirty six years.
Well, we were both working atLockey Palo Alto Research Laboratories in California,
and I was a administrator, atechnical typist, and I helped organize
all the scientists and get their publicationsready for the science journals. I did

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a lot of technical edit, editing, and typing, the preparation of mathematical
formulas for people like Bernie and believingthese scientists, you know, the the
old metaphor the absent minded scientists.Well, the smarter scientists get, the
more absent minded I've found them tobe. So who's absent minded can feel

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little intelligent? Well, yeah,he's off thinking about you know, distant
stars and their radiation and you know, measuring and calculating black holes, et
cetera. I was getting ready forpresentations. But anyway, I've always had
a metaphysical bent. Bernie found thatvery interesting and he got interested in trying

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to explore the metaphysical side of science, and he and I became editors of
the Journal of Scientific Exploration, Andthat's kind of how we got started on
this in the first place, becauseI don't know if you know anything about
the Society for Scientific Exploration, butit's a wonderful group of scientists that have

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mainstream training, but they're open tothinking outside of the box. So they
look at all sorts of interesting thingsand they explore it from a scientific perspective
so that it's respectable research. Andone of the topics that they research is
UFOs, which I know is ofinterest to you. We published a lot

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of articles on UFOs but we alsodid a lot of articles on parapsychology and
geology and what are some of theother near death experiences. Ian Stevenson with
one of our friends. We spenta lot of time interfacing with him.
He was the fantastic researcher that wentto India and interviewed children under the age

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of five who remembered past lives andhe found definite evidence for the phenomena.
But anyway, so this is Bernie. So anyway, Bernie and I have
been married for thirty six years andwe've explored all sorts of things together and
what led us to this book?That was your question, right, So

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Bertie, he's been interested in virtualreality what for about fifteen years? Yeah,
fifteen years, and he's given lectureson it, and he's written three
other books. This is his fourthbook. And because he recently got Parkinson's
after a really successful careers and mainstreamscientists when he retired and unfortunately he got

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Parkinson's and it became difficult for himto write and to get his thoughts down,
And with my expertise in organizing scientificmaterial, we teamed up. And
this is a time when I hadthe choice of either saying, Oh,

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I really don't have time to helpyou with this, Bertie, I have
so many projects going. Or yes, I will help you because it's really
a great interest to me. Also, and so I chose that route,
and I'm glad you did. Yeah, thank you. Yeah. Because this
is what I'll say about the bookYour Clever Universe, is that it is

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it's not dumbed down, but it'seasy to read. So it was very
easy to follow your hypothesis. So, so very briefly, what is the
general hypothesis of the book, Well, it certain as a summary of the
attributes and collections of things that couldmake up a god. So at the

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bottom of this is the belief that, uh, that everything that's living in
the universe, from plants and animalshere to all sorts of strength things elsewhere,
all of these things were the productof a constellation, a creation made
by a supernatural, infinitely large,great cosmic consciousness. And the purpose of
that is to have you to allowthe consciousness to go explore, exploring what

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the reality is. How can youexplore something if if you don't see it
right around you, If you uh, it's much better to know there was
much better to play a game thanto uh than to have the rules made
up. So the programerance is thatthere is an infinite consciousness kind of spanning
the entire universe, and it makeslittle things like you and me and all

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sorts of creatures who they're doing inhabits of the universe. And the point
of that is to these creatures youneed to experience life and bring that knowledge
back to the Creator, who needsto have as the lost brain and like
a scout to find out what wasout there in the world He's made.
And we're not just biological machines.We're conscious, immortal beings who co create

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the virtual reality together with the greatcosmic consciousness known as God. The root
reality does not consist of physical stuff. The one and only thing that does
exist is consciousness and its thoughts.And our consciousness is literally a piece of
God. And I wanted to justadd right here that we have a different

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perspective of God. We use Godbecause that's the traditional word that many cultures
and religions have used for the greatcosmic consciousness or the Source. But we
chose to use God just because itwas, you know, the normal word
that was used. That God isnot male or female. It doesn't have
a set, but you do findyourself kind of in a corner because you

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grammatically at some points need to usea pronoun, right. Yeah. I
always wondered though, could you couldyou could you circumnavigate that by just inserting
the pronoun with the name God ordiscussing with our editor and I thought that
the the he shelog was just absolutelyshould we suffer for the deficiencies of the

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English language. So we just puta little footnote saying that we use the
word he because that was a traditionalpronoun and simple, but that we didn't
mean it was only he, thatshe am same he am. Yeah,
we'll definitely go more into the scientificevidence. I do want to start with

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as you mentioned that our I supposesoul or consciousness is a part of a
larger source consciousness or creator conscious consciousness. How do you envision that. What
is it that we are that isseparate yet still a part of it?

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Because when you get down to likematerial science, you can have brain damage,
you can have you know, uh, you know, just malnutrition.
You know, the most basic thingscan affect how you feel as a person.
Your mood, your your your opinions, can can seem radically different than

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two days earlier. So if ifour physical mind can be affected, how
is it that we are still likea distinct consciousness from from that mind,
from that physical brain. Well,it's because I think it's because we came

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into this universe through ay, anact of the creator to create specific kinds
of beings, specific kinds of lifeforms that can experience all the imagine all
the wonderful things that appear in themagic universe. Once you've created, that's
the whole point of it. Andso I would think that learning how to
operate in that universe, you know, as we do it, we we

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live, and we experience day byday, we know better and better what
this is like. And that's thething that we sort of ring up then
to the Daisy, the deity backinto the picture that we have done all
this, uh, this scrutin aroundthat that we're doing on his behalf.
That. Yeah, but Bernie hasyour your you know work, your opinion

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ruffled the pea feathers of other physicistsand and and scientists. I know I
know better than roughly, so I'msure they don't want to hear it now.
And then I'm a cocktail conversation withsomebody. But remember I'm talking about
this now we can here, andthat's not something that any of my college
would would be very interested in.They would probably say very politely, you

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know, be polite and groped acrossthem together, end of the room and
refill their drink. Well you wereI'm sorry, go ahead, Oh,
I just wanted to say. Youwanted to know how we know that we're
parts of God. So I hadan altered consciousness experience when I was meditating

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with this woman named Gogajee in northernCalifornia, and I had an awakening of
the heart and I actually saw howwe're all connected because they're actually little.
It's like a web of light.It's light at a different level of awareness.
It connects each of us and tothe spark of God. So I

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know that through experience. I don'tknow if I could prove it, but
I think that's how we're connected,this through our consciousness and it's like a
little string of light, like aweb. Yeah. Well, I mean
you bring it up in the book, and it comes up often on this
show that many people have had alteredstates of consciouness. Whether it would be
through a psychedelic, a near deathexperience, out of body experience, there

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is that sense of a oneness,that that kind of one love, that
source. Yeah right, so yeah, And the thing I always struggle with,
which is the same reason I'm notreligious, is you know that the
behaviors of the Old Testament God donot line up with the idea of one
love. Yeah, how do wedo? How do you reconcile that in

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your mind? Hundreds of years ofdogma written by people that wanted to control
others. You're the hierarchy, AndI mean, we want to present a
new version of spirituality and have aspirituality that encompasses all religions and all faiths,

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because we really are sparks of God, all of us. If we
all could see that, there wouldbe peace on earth. But learning to
see that is sometimes challenging because youhave to look past your ego, because
you know, people get tied upin their ego like, oh, he
did this to me, I haveto get retribution. You know, that's
not what we're all about. Youknow, that's ego speaking. But don't

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we still have the same kind ofproblem where you know, we are still
cruel to each other. So let'stake the Old Testament gut out of the
picture. Human beings are just meanto each other, cooel to each other,
hurtful, harmful only that of course. So if that's true, what
kind of creator or source would beokay with that? Well we have bring

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your horse wondering example. First,I would have probably you would say,
without having a think very hard,you would say, oh, the world
is getting worse and worse. Uh, you know, crime is rising,
people are killing each other, blahblah blah. Anybody ate up and talk
this way from a microphone. Butin fact, statistics do not back up.

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Statistics do not back that we aregoing to a worse and worst state.
There's a wonderful book out by aHarvard professor and symod right behind me
some place by people behind me,my bookshelf, and he goes he goes
into a deep analysis, using mathematicsto show and using the uh, the
the statistics of birds and deaths andso on, going back three hundred years,

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very detailed analysis, and he showsthat things are a lot better than
they ever were. This is thethis is the most enlightened we have been
in three hundred years. And whenwe are being kind to each other in
a way that's un precedented. Andif you don't believe, here's my book
that well it's every decade, everygeneration says this is the worst time.

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Things are getting bad and things andand you're right, statistically on an average,
it's true we're trending towards a moreharmonious uh you know, civilization,
but we still doesn't take away thefact that we had to get there through
all this crap. Right, Soit's like, what what is that?

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Why, Like what's your your scientificevidence or just your gut feeling and so
why that's part of this word avatarsor what have you. Yeah, it
would be it would be, wellwe have free will. Remember, well,
that's the key thing we have toout and play in the universe.
And the point of it is thatto create these experiences, experiences that are

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to go back to God. Andit's uh, it's company of honest to
live in the best, most whor'sworthwhile most compassionate and at the same time
a hardworking picture of the universe andwhat our role is to be in it.
What's the most straightforward evidence you wouldpresent to someone your first piece of

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evidence, you say, this isa really good starting place to support your
hypothesis that we are in a kindof a simulation, a source created reality.
Well, we could go to physics, the modern concept of quantum physics,
and that shows that matter is notreally as solid as we think it

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is. Because if you sit inyour favorite armchair, it seems like you're
sitting in something solid. But thenyou think, well, what makes it
solid and what are the parts ofthe chair, Well, they're atoms make
the chair, and there if youlook at a microscope, there's lots of
space between the atoms and then theelectrons that go around the nucleus. Thank

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you. It's not necessarily certain wherethe electron will be at any point in
time, so we used to thinkthat the electrons circle the nucleus in a
little orbit, but now quantum physicssays no, it's a field of probability.
So we're actually sitting in an armchairsupported by atoms that are surrounded by

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fields of probability. So it makesit seem much more like we're in a
virtual reality. It's not as solidas we think it is when you get
down to the smaller parts act.It's believing for to day that things like
this or quantum entanglement electrons going aroundtheir nuclei. Now you're not in circ

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complicated was bounce it every which way. It's believed that if you if there's
no one there to observe this behavioror to uh examine it, it's not
there that things appear as they asthey are required, as they're called for
me. It seems like a magicshow basically, but it's really the interpretation

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that the Neils Bore put on hissuggestion for the how quantum mechanics operates.
And it's really the case that thatuh, without having an observer there to
collapse the wave function, I meanthe techno definition there that's a way function,
it's not there. So we actuallyliterally minute by minute accent I said,

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but there's many if I minute,I'll use that one. Yeah,
that things are being created for usby us. If a tree falls in
the forest and there's no one thereto hear it, did the tree really
fall? His way function contains ittakes away a tree. So that's like,
yeah, unless we actually observe it, then it's only a probability.

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It is not the whole universe isThis is a proposition we're making in the
book the whole universe is like that. Everything in the universe is like that.
It's not it's not Adams, it'snot it's not any solid. It's
that we are playing. We areplaying together with the consciousness that created us.
Kind of a mind game. Thisis a giant mind game which we

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play, which we take avatars tous to go out on a battlefield and
do battle with other avatars. Andthat's the purpose of this of this game.
We don't have to battle. Butyou know some of the games do
that, like Warcraft, right,yeah, we don't. Yeah, correct

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me, or you know, fillin anything I missed. So my my
understanding from reading the book is thatso based on like the double split experiment,
and you're referring to Nils Born,so the idea that there's wave functions
and that they behave differently when observed. Yes, so you made the comparison

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to a video game. So avideo game I'm looking at like even now,
right, like I'm looking at ascreen, and in this virtual world,
there's only what I see on thescreen. The video game itself isn't
bothering to render absolutely everything and everypossible outcome at the same time. It

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would just kill you know, thesystem would crash. Yeah, so it
only renders the image when I'm interactingin that space or when someone else is
interacting in that space, even multiplayers. So you're wasting tons of energy and
hardware that it's unnecessary right first forthings that you don't even you're not even

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focusing at the same point. So, and that's kind of what the universe
is doing. It's like that probability, those those waves don't form the tree
in the forest, don't form thechair that I'm sitting on until I'm interacting
with it, until it needs meto be there. Is that kind of
what you're saying, You got it, You absolutely have it. So then

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the way we have to convince isthe people that that that's actually true.
And I think when I tell peopleabout the double split exermon, they look
at me cross eyes sometimes and thinkI'm crazy. But that isn't that repeated
science. Hasn't that been tested overand over again as you have it.
Still it's not been tested and exceptthat everybody, especially those who have different

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theory, are going to event byit. It's really it's a hot item.
After eighty years of exposure to quantummechanics, this this uncertainty as ant
matter can actually do. Is it'sreally not well understood. It isn't and
I think it's right the way.I think it's not going to be that
well understood because I think we weregetting developed by a greater vision of what

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it is, and that the pathsare going down now is probably not the
one we're going to be following moviecentury or two from now, So there's
plenty of chances with things to workout differently. Yet so would our deeper
understanding and discovery of the nature ofreality. Let's just say that it is
behaving like a simulation. Indeed,what does that do to the simulation itself?

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Like it's almost like the matrix?Right, The more Neo learns,
the more he can kind of dowithin that, you know, within the
rules of the of the matrix.There's a lot of truth to that movie.
Honestly, that's a very deep movie. The more you see, the
deeper you can get. By chance, did you see the fourth Matrix?

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I don't think so. No,I think the first maybe the first two
get up to huh, well guessand no, it's a much lesser quality
movie, very meta. So ifyou if you appreciate the very meta aspect
of it. It can be kindof fun in that regard. So it's

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has a different flavor than the firstthree films. You know, it takes
itself a little less seriously. Butuh yeah. I I like the idea
that we're in a simulation because Ithink this kind of opens up the door
if that's true. M hmm.There's a programmer, m or programmers that

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have created this reality that we're livingin, and we are an extension of
their Their consciousness is God and yeah, right, and so can they change
the rules an more? Who beingexchange the rules that are divine being formulated

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to them? That's a good question. I don't know. I don't have
the answer to that. Well,we have to, don't wait. I
think God lets us to try todo things. I mean, that's why
we're here, and we're here toexperience to create the ourselves. Maybe we
can't change the rules. I don'tknow, but you know, it wouldn't

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only be up to us. Everyonehas to decide to go along with it,
don't you think, because we're allmaking the rules together. I believe.
I think, Well, that's that'sa really interesting point. We'll have
a kind of agreed upon reality.So if the mo majority of us are
functioning within that reality, and ourconsciousness, our awareness is generating the reality
itself, then maybe you have tohave like a you know, a point

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where there's enough people we're thinking ina new way to literally change reality.
Yeah, one way to change thecivilization of planet Earth. And probably that's
ultimately a consideration to the Creator,woman who made us live independent lives.
But he certainly I would think hopingbrooking for us to make it through some

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of these dark times so that whenit comes to creating a further universe,
one with even more possibilities and thanour present universe, that you know,
we will have the experience to helpcreate that and bring new beings and new
creatures into this val and work throughthe same kinds of creative processes that we're

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doing with the Creator. Yeah.Yeah, I have an interesting quote here
with regards to virtual reality. BrianWhitworth, a professor of information processing and
technology in New Zealand, puts itthis way, one of the mysteries of
our world is how every photon oflight, every electron and quirk, and

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indeed every point of space itself seemsto just know what to do at each
moment. The mystery is that thesetiniest parts of the universe have no mechanisms
or structures by which to make suchdecisions. Only God could make those decisions.
That's what he said, and thatgoes along with what we're saying now.

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God is the cosmic consciousness, thewhole whole thing, consciousness being not
any separable thing, but that isthe whole thing, is God. God's
body is the is the universe.Right, So what could could this be
gone? You know, you know, endlessly? Could could we then create

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a virtual reality that creates a consciousnessthat within it creates another virtual reality.
I think that's possible. I thinkwe're trying to do that with AI right
now or we that's like some peopleare so upset about it. Yeah,
But and then the interesting thing thoughabout AI, now that you say that
makes me think maybe AI would wouldbe not concerned at all about our physical

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world because they are born of avirtual mind within a system. And would
it be possible that they have theywouldn't. It wouldn't even bother to want
to, you know, participate justexpand their virtual reality. Logic seems to

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point to that you know, yeah, that's sure. I like the idea,
but logic points to it. Thenwho am I to say this is
nonsense? But I think you're rightthat the artificial intelligence it's gory to merge
with virtual reality create something that's reallyboth amazing and maybe writing. Yeah,
because I mean, gosh, ifif you could become a thank you Albert

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in comments, I appreciate that.And if you are creating your own virtual
reality and it is your origin realitythat you can actually expand on and get
creative with, you know, youas humans would love to do that.
I think with our reality if wecould so, I would imagine that AI
would be like, why would Iwant to deal with your physical reality?

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I can this is a playground herein the virtual world. Yeah. Yeah.
Interesting. The problem then is whathow you can you trust human behavior
and human ethics and human judgment creatorsand a monster right? Well that yeah,
that's a whole another debate wal debatethere, And I just want to

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add this comment from Alpert A freeenergy comes from nano coated copper and iron
and zinc. I'm not sure aboutthe science, but it does bring me
to one of the once you continuouslybring up in the book. And that's
free energy, right right, zeropoint energy. Yeah, the zero point

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energy is amazing. We actually purtypostulated the zero point energy is the energy
that God used to create the universeand to create the Big Bang. It's
a background sea of energy that isabsolutely infinite. And what do you want
to say about it. I'm gonnajust say little thing about it. I

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have to say that speculativeative. It'sbroadly I'll take it over. It's broadly
recognized as a vast field of electromagneticenergy, and it's also known as the
quad of vacuum field or the QBF. And this represents the underlining energy that

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is everywhere in the unit, evenwhere there's nothing but vacuum. And it's
so vast and infinite that we can'teven were so use to it being around
us that we can't even tell it'sthere. It's like being in a bathtub
ninety eight point six degrees. Itjust feels like who we are. It's
a combination of every frequency or wavelengththat exists. Some are short and some

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are long. It's perfectly random.The ZPF is an infinite source of energy
that was already known to Einstein andMao's clock, and we believe it can
be tapped in a way that wouldprovide humanity with an endless supply of totally
clean energy without violating the second lawof thermo dynamics, because our process has

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nothing to do with heat. It'selectromagnetic. And so Bernie has figured a
way to extract the zero point energyto make it useful to us, he
says, Will Actually, Heinrich Kasimirdiscovered it, and there's a Casimir forse

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that happens when two parallel metal platesare pushed together by an over pressure of
the ZPE from the outside of theplates. Kasimir cavity can be created that
takes advantage of this horse and wewould use this with the device. I
actually gave it a name. Icalled it the Kasimir generator. So it

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can be manipulated. The ZPF canbe manipulated through the use of nanosize Kasimir
cavities by squeezing out photon energy that'slittle parts of light that go around an
atom. Electron orbitals of an atomspiral down inside the cavity the Kasimir cavity

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and photons are emitted. Our processthen sends the photons through a photo voltaic
cel and electricity will then be generated, so the acts as a kind of
catalyst. And this could be donewith what uh our company. We call
it the Jovian Corporation, This wallold company. Bernie and Garrett Modell founded

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it, and they have a patenton extracting energy from the CPF. And
if the government hasn't taken away yourpatent and purchased it yet no Erdie thought
Ernie was afraid when he first gothis patent that someone was going to come
after us. Everybody has just ignoredit. Really it's crazy, I mean

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such potential. It could be gamechasing changing because of its revolutionary clean energy
technology that would come back climate change. We're in the process of trying to
get people interested and if anyone interview, your listeners or you yourself are interested,
you could look at our website.It's Jovion j O v io n

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dot com and we have the wholeexperiment and all the theory behind it and
links to credible scientific publications. Soit's not something that's just crazy. I
mean, there are publications that haveappeared in scientific journals, and it requires
no fossil or nuclear fuel, emitsno waste carbon are harmful byproducts. So

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and this is demonstrable. Well,I said, we are. We have
a good theory. We've had someencouraging results we have got we have gotten
a number of signals. This isnoise signals out of answer pre prototype stage.

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We don't have a prototype yet becausewe haven't gotten the funding that we
need to get a proper Casimir cavity. We've only had surrogate ones that were
like little filters that really weren't highenough quality. We figured it's going to
take about too million dollars to getthe right kind of Kasimir cavity built so

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that we can do a proper test. But right now, we actually found
a company that believes they could buildthe cavity for us. It's in uh
Santa Barbara. Galita Atomica is thename of it. And so I don't
know. We still have to locatethe funding. We put in proposals,
and it's funny they always find waysto say, well, we can't process

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your proposal because you forgot to fillout this form or that form, or
put in the wrong address or butthe real reason is that there's a limited
amount of money and program partypically oversubscribedby factor of tech. True, and
it's true for the federal government,is true for the Department Entergy, is
true for NASA. It's a it'sjust a limited number of dollars eversking for

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it. Are there are no grantsout there for this kind of testing.
There are maybe similar in some way, but the basic basic concept of how
energy is extracted that I don't seeany of the device out there that discusses
that. And that's what We've gota patent on that, and we have

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to you know, do right,I haven't yet, So we just talk
about it and for example, acrossthe ideas how programs like this one.
Yeah, high energy physics is kindof grabbed the stage right now because there's
a success and insert you know,yeah, I mean I hope that that

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you we can get there because there'sbeen a lot of talk about zero point
energy I would say the past twentyyears, you know, more and more
chatter about it, and uh yeah, it would that be if you can
compare zero point energy to to exfusion, what's what's the economic compared an energy

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is way cheaper than fusion. Well, zero zero point field is a is
an assortainment of ways they are allbehavior a perfectly random, random way and
random way, and so there isultimately if you look at the zero point
field and higher enough energies, askyourself, what does the zero point field

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constitute at the frequency of five twelvedetail? What were you trying to say
about the zero point energy frequency?Oh? Yes, right, it's unlimited
basically these zero point energy is anunlimited amount of energy. I thank goodness

(37:45):
most of that. It's at veryvery high frequencies, so high that we
don't even see in a field.Otherwise it would if this were little different
about destroyers, but it doesn't.It's a it's there and it's kind of
benign. Whereas the the energy fromthe fusion experiment, it's very different.
It doesn't it doesn't evolve an easierfor energy itself. And uh, it's

(38:07):
heat right, well yeah, yeah, heat inside is pending the fifteen tell
them the heater. This is thesun. So it's a it's a very
energetic and so I leave it thata very energetic thing. That's more much
more so than the zero punk field. It is kind of a kind of
benign at just four energy levels.I think it has to do with the
competition in science. I mean,it's very cut throught, and people are

(38:29):
trying to get their grant money.In mainstream's physics is latched onto the fusion
theory right now. And I've beenI've been on many committees that things like
this, you know, I've beenthere back in say free myself, yeah
projects, and I see what thewhat the limitations are? Right. It's

(38:49):
an interesting time because you have proponentsof you know, nuclear fission that are
saying, hey, we have cleanerenergy now than a cleaner way to do
this, a safer way to dothis, this is where we should be
putting the money. Again. Thenyou have zero point energy, you know,
and then there is you know,solar energy, wind energy. There's

(39:10):
all these competing energy markets. Arewe are we spreading ourselves too thin?
So it would be focusing on probablywe're exploring you got to cast out your
net. You say something in thebook that you know, really stood out

(39:31):
to me, and essentially you talkabout how God, as understood by most
people more religiously, is considered tobe infinitely just, infinitely patient, infinitely
good, of infinite love, andhumans cannot be infinitely anything. We're temporal.

(40:00):
Yeah. Yeah, So if someonedoes an evil act are You know,
when they die, they're not infinitelyevil per se because of their act.
So why would an infinitely just getsGod condemn them to an eternity of

(40:22):
punishment. You can't do that.I mean, that would be contrary to
his nature. So fat That's oneof the reasons I say in this book.
Uh, there's no such thing asa as a hell. Because you
have a hell, you have tohave punishing himself and doing so with infinite
energy or an infinite amount of time. And I ain't the stupidest thing I
think to do. Yeah, thatmakes no sense. Proof. Yeah,

(40:45):
God four sparks of God, andwe committed a finite crime. I mean,
we would have negative karma that wehave to wake up for because the
law of karma doesn't let you off. You got to make up for your
misdeeds. But that's finite about it, making up because it won't go on
for eternity. You know, youcan pay your debt. Yeah, yeah,

(41:12):
I'm looking at I literally just deletedall of my notes. Oh look,
I don't know how that I happenedright in front of me. I
just deleted all of my life.Hit the button right away, I did.
I shook it and it's not undoing. But anyway, we've got plenty
of work from So one of themost fascinating things in the book that I
found that I was unaware of.Sure, the two split experiment, you

(41:35):
know, spoke the action at thedistance. But you talk about uh otons
passing through glass and yeah, sookay, so you think of a pane
of glass, you think light passesthrough, and you say, oh,
a certain percentage of it bounces offthe glass and comes back, and that's

(41:58):
just probably just like a sponge,right, Like you pour water into a
sponge fast enough, some of it'sgonna splash out, right, Yeah,
but that's not what's happening, becauseapparently experiments have been done where a photon
is shot photon after photon after photonat the same exact position, exactly the

(42:22):
pane of glass, right, notlike a sponge where some of it's going
to go in this, you know, pour and someone's gonna splash off the
edge here and only a certain numbergoes through the glass exactly. Yeah,
that's remember usually calculative. I haven'tbut what keells the as we asked that
question before I talked here, whatkeells the uh say? They one out

(42:46):
of twenty fifth photon that's coming wrong. You had better go that way because
you're turning to get out of this. Yeah, so how how does it?
How does it? Rogic is trueanother experiments as well, and so
you have to ask yourself, well, how does the grow your wonderful laws
or nature that exists? How doyou how do you explain to one photon

(43:09):
or one electron or one whatever youto be the one to go across the
barrier and the light pain right?Yeah, I know, it just knows.
It just knows. As if there'sa rule Yeah right, there's a
rule maker that says, okay,it's your turn, right, which is

(43:30):
what coding is. Yeah, yeah, huh, anything one could do this
experiment. By the way, wehave this kitchen that has a really nice
window out on our backyard garden.So at night it's really beautiful to go
in there. You turn the kitchenlight on and if it's really bright,

(43:52):
you could actually see yourself in thewindow, but you can still see the
garden in the background, so youknow a lot of the lights getting bounced
back at you. But then there'swe have a dimmer switch on it,
so as you dim the light down, you see less of yourself and more
of the outside garden. So youcan actually witness the photons being reflected back

(44:15):
at you versus going through the windowpane. And every everybody who stands by
a window at nighttime can experience this. Yeah, yeah, yeah, right,
but and so, but it's it'sarbitrary. Yeah, we don't.
Yeah, I mean the dimmer switchjust turns down the light. But then
the photons that bounce back, wedon't know which ones they are, right,

(44:37):
it's here's a pain of glass.It's a four and four out of
twenty five. We're on twenty fivethat to go through. And so it's
not it's not using the word that'sright for what for the uh uh go

(44:59):
through the pain. It's not arbitrary. It's not arbitrary. It's exact the
number to do this. Uh,there's a rule, right, it's an
exact rule. It is followed inthe laboratory. But even even so,
of course that doesn't take away fromthe electron on the proton, the obligation
to figure out for itself might turnor not. So it's a simple but

(45:22):
that doctor broken concept. Yeah,okay, so I just got my re
cover, my notes. You knowI met you Ellen. You're asking it's
really deep questions and I can tellyou really read the book and did a
lot of thinking about it, andI appreciate it. Oh yeah, when
I emailed you and I told youthat I loved it, I loved it.

(45:44):
I loved it. It just tickledmy brain and like just woke up
some some activity that you know,I have spent time thinking about in a
while as much, And I thought, this is this is an elegant way
to describe the simulation the theory.So a question I did have for you

(46:05):
was, how do we know thatone day we won't be able to traverse
into another universe or a dimension?And you know, might science and mathematics
find a way to create a technologyto allow for this, because right now
science is telling us, well,we wouldn't be able to like physically wouldn't

(46:25):
be able to go into another dimensionbecause we're just not built for that.
So therefore aliens couldn't be coming fromanother dimension here. What do you think
is there is there a way todo that? Well? I think maybe
in the future we're going to havenot just your physics to cover the behavior

(46:45):
of a heart pros and field andso on. We're going to have something
in conscience directly that we interacting directlywith some experiment and make madath as things
happen. Math. That's have tosay. I think that this future of
the physics of the future is goingto give us us some insight into how

(47:08):
consciousness and the rest of the thingsthat have been created by God to put
in his universe and make it runand make it happen. They will be
brought together and we will have away to use our consciousness directly on matter
to make things happen. And thatis a that is something that by the

(47:29):
way, I like to throw onemore concept in, which is maybe stuff
on that the use of consciousness tocreate the machines devices is now sort of
on the cusp of being explored bythe recent decision of the federal government to
put the energy into understanding what UFOsare. Now there's now a NASSA site

(47:53):
and not necessarily a nast apartment that'sbeen set up by NASA to take a
to take in reports, which issomething they I guess fashion u report reporting
place on a nathial website or yeah, okay, what is the name of

(48:14):
that? The exact name. Butyeah, but but I know what you're
talking about, you know, andthere's also tons of other data out there
too, give Nightcap and move onand other independent reporting sites. There's so
much data that they can that theycan pull from. It seems like they're

(48:37):
there was chatter there that they mightsource some of that data, but it
looks like right now they're just strictlyfocusing on whatever the Navy or the Air
Force or military reports post two thousandand four. Mmhmm, well, I
think focusing on the Navy and theair Force reports because they're credible sources,

(49:00):
you know, by people that aretechnically trained, not just imagining or making
approximations, that they have precise measurements. You know, radar, I mean,
radar is very precise. Yeah,well, I think I think where
it gets really interesting is on occasion. Sure, radar can can falter.

(49:21):
You know, there can be glitchesin a system, and there can be
glitches in our system too, yeah, you know, when we're observing things
and trying to remember things. ButI think word's most interesting is where you
have multiple pilots from different positions,you know, separate systems that all their
systems can't all be miscalibrated or glitchyat the same time, and they're witnessing

(49:45):
sometimes these objects, you know,from different elevations and different positions. In
that case, it's a probability matter. You know, how probable is it
that all those witnesses and their instrumentswere wrong? Right? In one case
I recalled, there was an incidentwhere two fourteens were flying side by side

(50:06):
with the distance of about a hundredhundred feet or so between them and something
now U thing it came along andzipped between those two have fourteens. Yeah,
what you're doing this is the pilotswere pretty astonished by it, and
of course, you know, theysaid when they were prison it that they
they would not believe that we haveany kind of technology that would do that.

(50:30):
So it's a it's it's an interestingtime. Maybe the UFO pilot was
just playing with them. A pilotthat was in the UFO was going,
hey, look what I could doguys. Right, Well, that's what
that's what it feels like sometimes whenyou when you hear these stories, and
that's interesting that there's just seems tobe that kind of behavior now that that

(50:52):
could be a human trait behavior certainly. But you know, there's the argument
that if in Russia, for instance, had that that kind of capability,
they could dominate the skies and they'renot utilizing that. You know what,
what else would they be waiting for? Like how long would they wait to
decide to you know, just takeover the world. And you know,

(51:17):
missiles wouldn't be an issue or aircraftwouldn't be an issue. And so I
don't think it's them. I don'tthink it's China. I don't I don't
think it's you know, I don'tanyone else other than something that's not of
human origin. Then how do theyget here? Yeah, any thoughts a

(51:45):
wormhole? Well, do you thinkthat the warp drive is is a feasible
a physics? Well, zero pointenergy could be used for warp drive.
Cubiera experiments experiments. Cubier is thescientist who wrote a paper on this,

(52:05):
and it shows us that you canyou can use the Einstein mathematics and general
activity and by looking at the propermathematical corners, you can determined that there
is indeed a way mathematically to createwormholes would be capable of being and certainly
the worm wormhoar at one end andcome on to the other. We're factly

(52:27):
a fight years away. So mathematicallyfine, it works, but unfortunately,
the amount of energy you need toaccomplish this one time is the amount of
energy people to the energy of thewhole universe. So we've got we've got
a thing here that can do whatwe want, but the energy requirements is
way, way way astronomically under theline still is the kind of energy that
we have right now, but notif we're able to the zero point energy.

(52:51):
Because using the zero point energy,it's can be moved anywhere. I
mean, it's the portable device.It generates an energy inside, so you
can just put it on the spaceship and you have the work drive.
Well, it's like pulling an energylike if let's say, let's say envision

(53:15):
electricity, you know, coming throughwires. It would just be like an
endlessly powerful source. Yes, yeah, like just rivers through and it would
never end. You would never runout of it. Right. You can
carry it around, you can putit in your car, can power cars,
it can power your kitchen, youcan keep it in your purse.

(53:37):
Could be like the cell phone.I got my little Kasimir generator right here
in my hand, you know,and you could call it your CG for
short, nice little lacronym. Justpull out my CG and we'll take off
in my in my jet. Well, I think all the cell phone company

(54:00):
would not be happy with a batterythat never dies. Yeah, and you
know, I'm not always a believerin those kind of conspiracies. Certainly,
industries, you know, fight tosuppress the technologies that could hurt them,
and I get that that's a veryreal thing. But in the case of
something like zero point energy energy,do you think that that's something that has

(54:20):
been discovered and suppressed or you know, we just haven't gotten there yet.
Well, Kindstein knew about the zeropoint energy, and so did Bock's clock,
and that's early nineteen hundreds, nodoubt about it. Established established.
The thing is, can you canyou tweak it somehow to make it do
certain things that then result in energycoming out those certain things seem to be

(54:45):
it seemed to be deadlock, becausethis doesn't seem possible to do it.
Said, for example, that thezero point energy is a well, you
have to have a small enough nanocavityto be able to squeeze photons off of

(55:05):
atoms right, But uh so,before this is not possible because before nanotechnology,
no one can build a device thathad Casimir cavities that were microscopically distanced
from each other. But now itis possible. It's the time to make
the discovery. We're running out.It's not the ZBF. It's hard to

(55:30):
find. It's everywhere, no doubtabout it, absolutely, no doubt about.
Every textbook talks about it. Butquestion, can you, uh,
can you use it in some way? Can you make some kind of device
that has certain properties that when yousend zero point fueled into it, it
does something else and we give offenergy. And so it's not a question
of finding the zero p energy isthere bother asking about it's there? But

(55:52):
what can we how when can wedo something about using that in a practic
crack of way. And that's wherethe rug is because it said that the
uh the that we're trying to getglow the zero zero zero with a zero
ener regenerator. But you can getbelow zero inside the Kazimir cavity because you're

(56:13):
squeezing photons off of the electrons.It makes it lower than zero. It
is you can get zero in theright environment. Can we say, is
the Casmer cavity. That's where theyYeah, we actually send gas through the
Kazimir cavity, gases such as xenonand yeah, noble gases. I'm gonna

(56:42):
wrap it up with this from fromthe book you quote Saint Augustine uh So,
who says, if God's power everceased to govern creatures, their essences
would pass away and all nature wouldperish. Whatever a builder puts up a
house and depart, his work remainsin spite of the fact that he's no
longer there. But the universe willpass away in the twinkling of an eye

(57:07):
if God withdraws his ruling hand.So should we be existentially panicked that at
any moment the source can just go. I'm done. I confess to being
a little bit bit partial to thinkfolks like us us the same things.
Or in another book I talked aboutsaying aquas, I think he is trying

(57:29):
to make the point that God doesn'twant to do that any wants to sustain
us. Yeah. I don't thinkGod would withdraw the power unless we all
agreed the game was over. Yeah, it doesn't seem very likely to happen
anytime soon, does it. No, it doesn't. And if this is
is a sort of a game,then it's you know, despite all the

(57:53):
horrible aspects of it, you know, we are compelled to live and thrive
into love. And for me thatit always it always comes back down to
that idea of love, you know, which again, like I find often
quite ironic considering all the all thatwe have to bear in this life,

(58:17):
and yet that that's like it seemslike that's what we're being drawn towards.
So the way the way I kindof conceive to try to reconcile that is
that love wasn't like the the beginningthat that of the universe, right,
That's that wasn't like necessarily the substrate. The universe was like a program that

(58:39):
booted up, and there were theseaspects of the program that created a reality
where bad things happen, and thenthere was an iteration of it that created
this new running software that's love,and then that kind of became the operation

(59:00):
system, the default system instead.So it's almost like, you know,
we kind of have these this dichotomyin a reality, but it's it's you
know, synthesized. So that's theway I can understand that's that's that's the
way I justify for myself that loveis the is the is the where we're

(59:21):
going. Now, that's the trajectory. That's that's that's the path. That's
but it didn't start there. Andbecause it didn't start there, that's where
we get the inherent you know,negative aspects of of consciousness in life didn't
start with love, but God loveto create it, right, I mean,
that's anyway I got We're we're atthe at the end. I really

(59:45):
appreciate having you on. This hasbeen such a great conversation. I've been
about our website just so people canlearn more. So we have a website
it's called uh w w W theMiracle of Our Universe. All run to
together dot com. And so anyonewho's interested in finding out more are getting

(01:00:06):
our book, you can go toour website. I also have a Facebook
page. It's called the Miracle ofOur Universe. That's it. You got
it there. It's also in theshow description as well, so you can
there. Yeah, I want tobe sure people can find our book.
And and honestly, this is oneof those books where you know you don't
giving books as gifts isn't always thebest idea. You really need to know

(01:00:30):
who you're giving to in the audience. And it's one of those books that
I think anyone who is spiritually inclinedbut a physically inclined, you know,
physics inclined, would would enjoy thisas a as a read. So I
do hope more and more people discoverand share the book. If you can
leave us with one thought, anythingyou want, what would it be?

(01:00:52):
Well, I wanted to talk aboutthe power of music, and the power
of music is God's voice in sound. And I'm music teacher and an opera
singer, and it's really important tome because we're talking about the harmonics of
virtual reality. Well, music istied to mathematics, which the universe is

(01:01:15):
created by a mathematician. It's prettyobvious. And so music is tied to
harmonics because of Johann sebostin Bach,the father of modern music. He devised
a system of tuning based on mathematics. And so music is around us everywhere,

(01:01:36):
and music, I believe, helpsus get closer to ourselves and to
God. And it can help nomatter what kind of music, it can
help people. And it's really youknow, music therapy is a well known
phenomena, and I also wanted tojust last thought is, so, how

(01:01:59):
can you find your heaven, yourguaranteed ticket to heaven? And how do
you experience it in the earthly realmas human beings? So you have a
guaranteed ticket to heaven because you're aspark of God and a part of him.
The alternative would be hell we alreadydiscuss, does not exist. How

(01:02:22):
does your experience of earth? Howis it? It's important to be in
a state of gratitude that helps enhancesyour experience because this opens your mind for
optimism, love and God's still smallvoice. And the good news is that
anyone, even you, can achievethis if you take the time to still

(01:02:45):
your monkey mind. So you haveto meditate regularly, learn how to go
beyond your thoughts and below your ego, and then you can experience your connection
to God and the spark of Godaround everyone el else all throughout the planet.
You know, if everyone takes thetime to meditate and dialogue directly with

(01:03:08):
God on a daily basis, ourworld would be catapulted to a higher level
of awareness and a human race wouldbecome ever more enlightened, and there would
be a chance for peace on Earthat last, because we wouldn't be living
in our egos, we'd be livingone with God and each other's sparks of

(01:03:29):
each other. Thank you so muchfor the reminder to meditate. I appreciate
you both much. I really enjoyedthis conversation. Thank you everyone. Please
check out their book, Miracle ofOur Universe Marcia and Bernie. I hope
that our paths cross again some othertime, and I wish you both very
well. It's so nice to meetyou. Okay, thank you so much,

(01:03:51):
and thank you everybody for joining usagain. That one of my favorite
types of conversations that we have onthis podcast. So i'd appreciate your feedback
and what your thoughts are. Whatkind of reality are we living in?
Are you more materialistic science or doyou think that we are living in a
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