June 17, 2025 • 38 mins
The Real Estate Dolls have entered the building, and they’re taking over your feeds, and now your ears.
Chris Sapphire, Eric Star, and Michael Zavala welcome Kasandra and Jamie, aka the Real Estate Dolls, to the studio to spill the full tea on how their viral real estate videos skyrocketed them into pop culture stardom.
From humble beginnings to luxury listings and New York paparazzi, the Dolls dish on the journey, the glam, and the unexpected fame.
This is part one of a two-part Pride Month special with the queens of luxury listings and laughter.
Watch the full episode on YouTube:
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Follow the Dolls: Kasandra @kasandrathebroker
Jamie @missjamiethebroker
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Michael Zavala @michaelzavala
Eric Star @mrericstar
Clark @justsimplyclark
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Chris Sapphire, Eric Star, and Michael Zavala welcome Kasandra and Jamie, aka the Real Estate Dolls, to the studio to spill the full tea on how their viral real estate videos skyrocketed them into pop culture stardom.
From humble beginnings to luxury listings and New York paparazzi, the Dolls dish on the journey, the glam, and the unexpected fame.
This is part one of a two-part Pride Month special with the queens of luxury listings and laughter.
Watch the full episode on YouTube:
YouTube.com/@michaelzavala
Follow the Dolls: Kasandra @kasandrathebroker
Jamie @missjamiethebroker
Follow the Guys:
Michael Zavala @michaelzavala
Eric Star @mrericstar
Clark @justsimplyclark
Follow the Show:
Instagram: @mznowtv
www.MZNOW.tv
Produced at mzStudios
mzStudiosDallas.com
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You're a bound to enter the world of Michael Zavalla.
Now's your chance to turn back. Michael, don't do read
well do uh or something like this. I can't hear you.
(00:21):
I'm just maze at what you're thinking about. This is
m Z.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
Now, ladies and gentlemen, I am so excited. I'm jumping
(00:52):
out of my chair with my faha on. We have
legends in the room and they are taking over the world.
So quickly, lady and gentlemen. I want y'all to take
it away with your iconic intro. Take it away, ladies.
I'm Cassandra Ali.
Speaker 3 (01:06):
Saya and I'm miss Jamie and we're the real estate.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
Y'alls incredible in the studio.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
I can't get enough Welcome, Welcome, ladies. Y'all look amazing.
How was your trip getting into town?
Speaker 1 (01:21):
Good? Yeah? Quick? I was making a video off the
drive Star.
Speaker 4 (01:26):
Audio and said the highlight was stopping at BUCkies and
then we got here BUCkies.
Speaker 3 (01:31):
Yeah it was. It was fast. It was really fast.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
What did y'all buy a BUCkies?
Speaker 2 (01:34):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (01:35):
Same, like the biggest doctor for zero possible and those
like candy Pecans like, oh yeah, those are so good.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
Can I ask y'all when y'all arrived to BUCkies, do
y'all get those little butterflies in your stomach, like, oh
my gosh, we're about to walk into BUCkies.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
Oh because we're excited.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
Or just because of your grand Persona's honey.
Speaker 4 (01:54):
Oh no, yeah, oh yeah. Just he doesn't need anyone
to like bird launch.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
Their watching term. It was always a good Yeah, it's
always a good one or two. And Bucky, wow, you boy,
they have amazing restrooms. That's the real reason.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
I mean you feel so you know back when we
were in school and sometimes nature called and you were like,
whoy on this day?
Speaker 1 (02:24):
And the door has that big crack. Yeah, and everybody
can everybody should have individual little room. That's Bucky. Bucky's
has it.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
So we got to start off with the question everybody
wants to know, how did the real estate dolls come
to be?
Speaker 1 (02:42):
Okay, the full.
Speaker 3 (02:43):
Story, the full story?
Speaker 1 (02:45):
Yeah, okay, So we were doing real estate with Cold Anchor.
We got a broker's license last year, create our own
brokerages individually. This year, I went to a luxury real
estate summit and made the decision that I had to
just bite the bullet and do more videos. Of course,
I'm like, we have to do more videos. That's it.
It is what it is. And then Jamie came up
(03:06):
with the idea of coining us the real estate Dolls.
Speaker 4 (03:10):
Yeah, but I do have to give credit because so
Kamora Black. We were actually well I heard it from
a few different people, but Kamora Black called us the dolls,
and I hadn't heard that. I hadn't really heard it.
I didn't realize that was the new thing. And then
I heard let's just mask her saying the dolls, and
I thought, oh, this is the thing. And we were
leaving a restaurant at me and Cassandra and a girlfriend
of ours, and there were some gay guys there and
(03:32):
they're like, oh, the dolls, the dolls, and I thought,
oh my god. So when she started wanting to do videos,
I thought, well, we have to brand ourselves as something
because we can't just do videos like everyone else. We
have to stand out. And I said, let's call ourselves
the real estate Dolls. And Castandra's like.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
I said, no, that's that's not going to happen. Opposed
to it, because I just thought, like, no, we're luxury agents,
you know, like that's like not going to work with
our brand, that whole thing, and she said, let's just
do We'll just see what's up. We did that first
video and to look back at that video so embarrassing.
It's like, what were we been doing? And dolling around?
(04:08):
Dolling around? And that video blew up instantly. We did.
We filmed three homes that first day. By the time
we got to the third home, the first one was like,
what's going on? Yeah, it was like literally like, oh,
something's happening. And so I thought, well, I guess whether
it was.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
Yeah, oh, it totally worked because I will never forget
being at home. I was on my phone and y'all
popped up out of the blue life boom, and I
saw what was going down, and I said, this is
the most genius thing I have ever seen. And I
think I've seen a lot of stuff. Eric, I feel
like we've seen so many.
Speaker 5 (04:40):
Yeah, what got my attention was that you for somehow
you guys capture the nineties. And I saw it and
I was like, oh my god, and I sent it
to Chris.
Speaker 3 (04:50):
But what makes you say that, because a lot of
people say that because you know how I look.
Speaker 5 (04:54):
But no, no, no, it's not the look. It's not the look,
it's the feel of the video. You're like, Hi, I'm
Concerndra and I'm Jamie. This is this is wonderful San Antonio.
Speaker 3 (05:04):
Like an old school show, like an old school keepy
show or you know what.
Speaker 6 (05:06):
It felt like like an old school like you're up
too late and the commercials come on at night.
Speaker 3 (05:11):
Gosh yeah, like we're doing uh miss Cleo.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
Yeah, kind of like it now.
Speaker 6 (05:18):
Kind of that vibe though, a little bit like the
late night commercial vibe. And Eric was so excited he
told me about it. He wouldn't stop talking about it.
Oh really, yeah, he loved it.
Speaker 5 (05:28):
I love Cassandra by the Liver Rock in San Antonio.
There's the river walk can sit down and have a
bite to eat or and then you chime in, You're
like or blah blah, and I'm just like, oh my god,
I just love this.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
I'm dying when the camera turns and I start talking,
sexy girl and I have a big flirt. It's just
in my nature, Like I'm Porto Rican, so I float
with everything. The camera turns.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
On now.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
And I just start like working there.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
Well, I don't want y'all to change a beat, honey,
either the night is or anything, because here's the thing,
we have three seconds to get people's attention, and I
believe firmly that your look is definitely the hook. Y'all
don't even have to say nothing. I said last night,
I click reposts before I.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
Even watched some video. It's just that freaking good. And
as they.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
Have evolved, because y'all are blowing up quick, y'all have been.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
Y'all just got back from New York. We went to
LA Afternoon. Did you do, Andy Cohen? Did you? And radio? Okay?
Speaker 3 (06:31):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (06:31):
Wow, sorry, and all of it started because you were
posting these videos.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
You're trying to sell sell houses. I guess is that
what a broker does. I don't know. Yeah, okay, yeah.
So our videos blew up and somebody mentioned something and
John Hill reached out, and I thought, well.
Speaker 4 (06:49):
I'm just gonna somebody message us and from one of
our videos and commented and said, John Hill just mentioned.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
Jim that's what it was. Yeah, oh wow, yeah he
found us. So he yeah, John mentioned us, and oh look,
I'm just gonna message him. And I messaged him and
he responded, and then we just started talking and then
put what a thought. We were already going to New York.
Just realize that. Now He's like, I'm truly believed that
we were soulmates in our past life. Oh and I
(07:17):
probably screwed him over, so I need to make it
up to him this life. Yeah. So in this life,
we grew up four minutes away from each other, and
we're two years apart in agent. We never knew each
other until May nineteenth, when we met in per Se.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
And this all went down. Yes, speaking of all of this, dude,
the dolls get hit on.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
A line the world because trans girls do all the time,
and then we're lammed up, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
Yeah, what is the kindest compliment you have ever gotten
out in the world.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
By a man. There's this guy who sends me voice
notes every morning and sometimes every evening, and like, I've
never met him and I don't even respond. Earlier, I
listened to one and he's like, your pictures you look
so sexy, those those beautiful toes. I thought, oh, now
he's lying.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
Yeah, fo like Flintstone, people are into the whole foot thing. Yeah,
oh you would do some foot fetish type stuff.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
I mean, yeah, I mean sure, Yeah, I've had a
lot of fun in my life, so I'm like, not
really looking to have a lot of extracurricular fun unless
it's for you know.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
I dare you, Cassandra to just send a picture of
like some proto feet just out of crazy.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
And say, well, I forgot to get a pedicure before
we came to town, so my feet would just work.
I live, we love it.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
I find you guys so fascinating. I say, guys would
love because we're all girls and guys.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
You know all of that.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
In your journey in real estate, what is the wildest
thing that has ever happened to you as you're selling
a house?
Speaker 1 (08:59):
Many things, it's crazy.
Speaker 4 (09:01):
One is so one time I was getting ready for
an open house and this guy walks in and I,
you know, fluffing the pillows and I have the cookies ready,
and he just walks in and he looks at the house,
and he looks at me, and he walks right up
to me and says, wow, I've never seen a transgender
celture before.
Speaker 5 (09:15):
Oh.
Speaker 3 (09:16):
I was like, oh, well.
Speaker 4 (09:16):
Now you have, and so you know, but he was
he was really nice. He didn't mean any harm, but
he was shocked to see a trans woman in an
open house because of the stereotypes that society places on us,
that they'd expect us to work in bars or entertainment,
which we're great at, but you know, we could do
other things too. We should be able to do everything.
So he was really nice. He didn't buy the house,
but that was one of the craziest things. And then
(09:39):
I think I'd mentioned to you, but another client asked
me if I was a lesbian.
Speaker 1 (09:43):
Oh my god, walk us through that for the audience.
Speaker 4 (09:46):
So we're going through the showings and you know, he's
kind of looking at me and he knows something is
a little different, but he's not sure quite like this
girl's kind of butcher.
Speaker 3 (09:56):
You're just kind of a manly So he.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
Are you do a region?
Speaker 4 (10:00):
Yeah, He's just like, Jamie, are you a lesbian?
Speaker 3 (10:05):
Excuse me?
Speaker 1 (10:06):
You're like yes, I used to day Ellen. I know
what she smells like.
Speaker 4 (10:12):
I'm like, well, no, I was like, are you And
he's like, well, no, I'm a man. I was like, well,
so am I.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
What happened after that?
Speaker 4 (10:19):
He was just like, oh, I'm sorry. Did I offend you?
And I said no, did I offend you? And he's like, oh, no, okay,
I'll drop it, and he dropped it.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
But the men know you know what I mean, that's
just their It's like their childish indirect way to get in.
You know, they know what's up because they come all
he wants me.
Speaker 3 (10:33):
To say, like, oh no, I'm trans and let's sleep together.
Speaker 1 (10:36):
So would you agree? You know how some guys are like, oh,
I didn't know. I didn't know. You're like sometimes I.
Speaker 3 (10:42):
Think they depending on how they trained.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
The guilty dog barks the loudest out of curiosity.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
What type of guys hit on y'all the most?
Speaker 3 (10:55):
All? Oh I yeah, no, no, well what time you
go first?
Speaker 1 (11:00):
I mean I don't know. I mean, I mean it
depends on the in particular TRANSI just in general. When
you're out in the world.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
Say you're out there at Smoothie King getting the almighty Smoothie,
who hits on you the most that you're you know,
writing off in your mental notebook?
Speaker 1 (11:16):
I don't know. I mean, really, it just depends on
the person. Yeah, I mean all kinds married. We'll say that.
Speaker 4 (11:21):
To generalize it, I can tell you who. I get
a lot of the Turkish.
Speaker 1 (11:25):
Oh yeah, oh my god. In La it's like every
Los Angeles Turkish resident was hitting.
Speaker 3 (11:32):
On other gorgeous.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
Oh they are so gorgeous? Can we get hella?
Speaker 3 (11:35):
Hello?
Speaker 1 (11:36):
Real?
Speaker 2 (11:36):
Yeah, Okay, I'm just kidding. Okay, I'll put a little
more makeup on it, kidding. So in the dating scene
in the world, I find it hard to date as
a gay man because I've always gotten thrown into the
bin because I wear makeup where they find me too feminine.
Like that's what I've gotten as I've been pushed to
(11:57):
the side in my life. Did you on your journey
ever experienced and somebody gave it a good name the
other day they say it's called fem phobia as a
man that does all this in your journey, did you
ever experience.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
That from other people in general? Or are there people
in general in general?
Speaker 2 (12:15):
Like, let's say, before you came into your full.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
Self, I don't think. I'm sure you're didn't because you
were so young and I transition. I was, like, you know,
start at seventeen and like androgynists through eighteen and by
nineteen I was living this way. So I don't think
I did it. Maybe I did, you know, but I
don't think so.
Speaker 3 (12:33):
No, And I think for I think for you for sure.
Speaker 4 (12:35):
You're probably people that would be most attracted to you
are straight men who are attracted to femininity because you
have a feminine appearance and appeal.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
So maybe I'm going to the wrong bar.
Speaker 4 (12:45):
Is the wrong because some gay men may like feminine guys,
but if you're giving off a little bit of fem
you're probably going to attract straight men who like fem.
Speaker 5 (12:53):
Well.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
I mean, in my life, I've been hella hella fam
even though I try not to. Like one time, I
good Judy Eric over here came to the house to
tease my hair, and I mean we were headed to
a masquerine and walked in with Patti LaBelle hair, So
I mean, it was it was. It was just what
it is. But as your authentic self, you find the
dating scene. It's just it goes right for y'all.
Speaker 1 (13:15):
Yeah, I mean, I try not to focus on that
too much because I want something specific and I've had
a lot of fun in my life, so I just
until I find that I'm not bothered. What would it
take for Cassandra to settle down?
Speaker 3 (13:31):
I didn't say it. She likes she likes wallets, Oh you.
Speaker 1 (13:35):
Like the green I like wealthy men. Yeah. Really, I
like a particular lifestyle and I can provide it to
the point for myself. And so I figure, I've seen
a lot of people put up with a lot of shit,
and I thought, well why, And I've never been in
love and I don't really care to be, so I
don't know what that's like. So I feel, well, you know,
(13:55):
being in a relationship is a choice, and you have
to work at it every day, and if you choose
to continue to love each other and stay together, then
it's it's a choice. It's work. So I'm going to
make the choice. I'm going to make. Cassandra. Now you
got my little light bulb going off.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
What is the most luxurious thing that has been given
to you?
Speaker 1 (14:15):
I mean, my ex paid for my one of my
car payments for a little.
Speaker 6 (14:19):
Bit, ah, one of your car payments?
Speaker 1 (14:23):
Right, how many cars do you have? I have three.
I have so one that I'm waiting to be a classic,
but it's not yet because's only nineteen years old. I
have six Mercedes E three fifty, and then I have
a Mercedes mL I mean gl E three fifty, and
then I have a Yukon Excel the Knowledge. Oh wow,
that's it. Girls like right, just.
Speaker 3 (14:43):
In case she has the weekend car.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
Well, I have my day off car. I live in
by Bernie, like in the suburbs, So I drive my
Yukon and I'm country girl, you know. Yeah. When I
work or I have to go to an event or downtown,
I drive the suv. Yeah that's right.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
I you got five dollars.
Speaker 1 (15:04):
My older car just sits under a car cover and
I drive it like every month or two. That's what
I have. My night rider car. Yeah, he actually does
have the night Rider car. Oh yeah, I'm obsessed with cars. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (15:15):
Do you have a little watch that pairs with it?
Speaker 1 (15:17):
I have a watch now, it's a replica watch.
Speaker 6 (15:19):
I haven't taken it out of the box yet, but
I have one.
Speaker 2 (15:22):
That So in your real estate selling the homes you're
out there on location. Have you ever walked into home
and said, what the is going on? We can't sell this?
Like crazy, like something bad like a dad raccoon up
in a cupboard somewhere, or a haunted house.
Speaker 3 (15:40):
I've had.
Speaker 1 (15:41):
Man, you go first, Well, I mean there's a lot
of crazy stuff, Like you know, it's a reno and
the developer has one of his workers living there. And
so you're like, oh, sorry, or there's a whole air
mattress on the floor, or you know, it's just like, oh,
these people didn't care to clean, or do you.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
Know those videos where they show you that like somebody
has come in and flipped the house and it looks
like a pretty now then you get an inspector and
it's a piece of ship.
Speaker 1 (16:06):
Has that ever happened?
Speaker 3 (16:08):
I had showing.
Speaker 4 (16:09):
This was probably the craziest thing that's that's happened in
the house to me. But I had a showing with
a trans friend of mine, and I was like, okay,
you know, sometimes the.
Speaker 3 (16:17):
Pictures look better, so just be prepared.
Speaker 4 (16:19):
So I opened the door and it's raining inside the
the It was we had a big rainstorm, and so
I don't know what happened. The reno that they did
was not done properly, obviously without permits, and the rain
was it was just showering inside the house.
Speaker 3 (16:40):
In the world blooded flood.
Speaker 4 (16:42):
The living room was flooded with rain just coming in
because they had done the roof for something but apparently wrong.
And I was, okay, let's close the door.
Speaker 3 (16:51):
Called the agent. I said, your house is raining.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
What happened like, what do you let the listening agent know? Impressed?
Speaker 4 (17:00):
It's an emergency that you know, obviously they're not aware
of because they're not there. And so since I knew,
I just called them and said, oh, thank you so
much for letting me know. But I mean, all all
they can do is send somebody over there right away
put a tarp over it.
Speaker 3 (17:10):
But you know, you.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
Would think they would condemn the house, like we can't
sell this no more because there's gonna be mold.
Speaker 3 (17:16):
Yeah, real Saturday a little.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
So in the world of homes right now, where do
y'all see this going? Like everything is getting so freaking expensive.
Have y'all noticed that homes in the hood are now
like half a million dollars?
Speaker 1 (17:29):
What's up with that?
Speaker 3 (17:30):
Oh my god?
Speaker 1 (17:30):
Yeah, vacation. But it's happening everywhere.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
So do you think they're trying to like push out
the hood in every city?
Speaker 1 (17:37):
I mean in certain areas, I think they're trying to
revive let's call it some areas. So that's just kind
of what it's happening more because times are changing, I think,
and people want a different thing.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
You know, when they say, oh, the bubble's going to burst,
what does that mean.
Speaker 3 (17:52):
I mean, there's always ups and down.
Speaker 1 (17:53):
I think when people say, oh, with the real estate market,
it's going to crash, the bubble's going to burst, they're
referring to two thousand and eight when there were a
ton of subprime loans. The people that weren't you know,
credit worthy, yea qualified ticket loans all had them, and
then the credit market, the housing market crash because there
were so many foreclosures. It's that it's not that's not
(18:14):
going to happen more. You pretty much have to give, like,
you know, a blood sample and you're first born to
get a mortgage now, so everyone is qualified, So it's
not going to burst. It's just like the interest are
going up and down, prices have gone up, and so
people just know that term and think that it's going
to be a crash, and there isn't going to be.
Speaker 6 (18:32):
We're just not gonna be able to buy houses for
one hundred thousand dollars anymore.
Speaker 1 (18:34):
Correct. Yeah, And we had you know, two and a
half three three and a half percent mortgages during COVID
and it's not going to happen.
Speaker 3 (18:42):
Everybody's waiting for that, but it's gonna be waiting a.
Speaker 1 (18:43):
Long time were we have. We're we're in normalized times now.
I mean in nineteen eighties, it was like a fifteen, sixteen,
eighteen percent interest rate on a mortgage, and that was normal.
Back then, it was a little hypos normal. Yeah, six
and seven percent now is a normal fair interest rate.
Because people lived through a few years ago, they're like, oh,
I can't believe it's so high now, I'm waiting for
(19:06):
them to come back down. And the girl, we were too, babe,
but it's not happening.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
You think that's because the prices are so expensive that
the interest rate was at like ten eleven, sixteen.
Speaker 1 (19:15):
People would never like it was so like, you know,
a five hundred thousand dollars house at a six percent
interest rate is going to cost you like in the
mid three hundreds, I mean three thousands. Let's just say,
if we're a ten percent interest rate, you're five six
thousand dollars for the same house. So it's just not doable.
I mean, the interest rates due in my personal opinion,
this is not professionally. I just think it needs to
(19:35):
be there needs to be a five in front of it.
Point nine nine. It's a mental thing. And yeah, and
the market would take off in prices. But when the
market takes off, it comes down too low. Everybody starts
buying them. There's multiple offers, and then people are competing
for the same house, and that pushes the price out,
and then that house just became a comp for the
house down the street. So then that house sells for more,
and then that comp just becomes you know. So then
(19:57):
that's how housing prices get put like the market gets
and up because one house sells for a little over
becomes the comfort the one down the street that sells
for more, and then that neighborhood just keeps increasing in
value because that's what we go based off of, and
that push its values up, which is what happened during COVID,
And now we are sitting at these prices. And then
after COVID settled down, interest rates went up, prices stabilized
(20:19):
a bit in some areas, and some cities came down,
some more than others. But we are where we are,
and this is where we are.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
So I grew up in a place in Dallas called
Oak Cliff, Yeah, and I want to move back so badly,
but it seems heavily gentrified to the tea.
Speaker 1 (20:34):
I love that y'all heard of oclip? Oh my god, yeah,
I know, Cliff. Yeah. So get this.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
I grew up on a street called Barnett and right
now it's not heavily gentrified.
Speaker 1 (20:44):
It'll get there, maybe in fifteen years. Girl.
Speaker 2 (20:47):
They're trying to sell some homes on that street for
seven hundred thousand dollars. Now, if all the homes in
the hood look like somebody just got you know, chop
chopped up in there, can you do that?
Speaker 1 (21:00):
Can you price the home? It's because some houses in
areas like that don't have a comp so they have
to like, you know, you, we're going to go out,
We're going to go back six months and we're going
to go out half a mile and look to see
what a comparable house so for. But to give that price.
Speaker 4 (21:13):
It also goes by supplying demands. So it really the
market is really determined by what people are willing to
pay for a house in a neighborhood. So if somebody
sees that house and says, you know what, this is
the house I want, this is the neighborhood I want.
I'm going to pay seven hundred thousand, then that's the
new market price.
Speaker 1 (21:26):
And if they're not getting a loan that requires an appraisal.
They can pay anything they went for and then that
becomes the comp.
Speaker 3 (21:31):
Yeah, it goes by what people are willing to I would.
Speaker 1 (21:33):
Buy a gas house in that neighborhood.
Speaker 2 (21:36):
Now, yeah, Cassandra, if you moved to Oakliffe, if y'all
come to.
Speaker 1 (21:42):
Get that house, I would. If I were you, I
would buy a house that neighborhood because well.
Speaker 2 (21:47):
To be honest with you, to be honest with y'all,
because I love that y'all know all about this. If
I had the seven hundred thousand for the home, I
probably wouldn't even buy that house because I could make
me a bomb ass house somewhere else.
Speaker 1 (21:58):
You know. I'm saying if there are older homes or
something that you normally wouldn't look at that lesser ad Yes,
and that's what Eric did. He bought a fixer upper.
Speaker 5 (22:06):
Ye, yeah, I did. Yeah, but not in Dallas. It's
in between actually Dallas and for Worth, right by the airport.
So I think it's still advantageous to still buy that
house because it's easy to sell because it's by the
airport right and between Dallas.
Speaker 3 (22:21):
Improvements and time you can't go wrong with real estate.
Speaker 2 (22:26):
Well, what I'm noticing that I think is just so
wild is that house that I saw for seven hundred thousand,
they lowered the price to about the five hundreds.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
Now forget this.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
There was an empty plot of land right next to it,
and they're building a massive.
Speaker 1 (22:38):
Brand new home on that plot of land. We'll forget it.
Speaker 2 (22:41):
So I said, this little house that we hear that
was splipped compared to the new one next door, Oh
my god. So that's the future of that area. Now
get this that street that I grew up in. If
you go just a street away, there's like huge homes
there in the in the million rains.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
And does that affect comps? Yeah, it could.
Speaker 4 (23:02):
It depends on the quality of the size, the square footage,
the year it was built.
Speaker 1 (23:06):
Yeah, they're not the same kind of home. It's not okay, okay.
Speaker 4 (23:09):
They try to compare apples to apples. So same size,
same age, two story, one story that it has to be.
Speaker 3 (23:14):
Apples to apples, finish quality.
Speaker 4 (23:16):
They won't compare that one to an older house that
needs work.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
Got it.
Speaker 2 (23:19):
Now, if you could describe your style, if you were
a home, what kind of home would you be?
Speaker 3 (23:26):
I know, what.
Speaker 1 (23:30):
I like a more traditional style. I like, uh, I've
always had like very rust. I live in the hill country,
you know, Like so I like all that Austin hill
country in Santinia hill country. Bernie. Yeah yeah, oh yeah,
I live out like north northwest, like going out towards Bernie.
I live right outside of Bernie by going headed to Comfort.
Speaker 2 (23:50):
So there's a town called Bernie around San Antonio. Yeah,
people watching this, tell us about Bernie? What does that mean?
Speaker 1 (23:57):
I live in the ranch zip host That's where I live.
I don't know. Why can you hear the comments already?
Speaker 3 (24:06):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (24:10):
She has a house in Baverdi, so yeah, if you
know the area, Yeah yeah, wow when did y'all get
these homes? I grew up out there. Actually I lived
there all my life.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
Really Okay, So she had a lovely Christmas growing up.
She didn't have noodles hanging there. Oh I love it.
Speaker 1 (24:27):
I love this. Tell us, honey, tell us about your child.
I grew up down the street from John Hill. Yeah,
and you know I grew up it was like true
hill country, like the sticks and you know, my my elementary,
middle of high school were like fifteen minutes plus away,
and there was nothing from my house to there, just
hill country and woods and trees and all that. Now
(24:47):
it's like suburbia beyond. So growing up in that environment,
did you learn how to like hunt? And you know,
but like we'd be by doun, we played out land,
so I mean I would shoot at birds sometimes. Thank you.
Never did you say I'm portrayed that did teach me? No? No,
(25:09):
I mean it wasn't me. But yeah, we had like
go karts and outside stuff and you know, like, do
you know how to shoot a gun these days? Yeah,
but I'm terrified of guns, so I don't. Yeah, because
when I was a kid, we were out chasing birds
and my it's like somebody that lived by us had
his baby gun just carelessly and he just picked it
(25:31):
up like looking at the bird and pulled a trigger
of accident. He was really far away, and the babe
hit me right. You really can't see anymore. And the
danby was in my head for like five or six
weeks until the doctors get me and get it out.
And he's like, if it would have gone like a
couple of millimeters or however much more, it would have
hit the nerve in my eye. So I think that yeah,
(25:55):
before I was a little kid. I was like younger
than ten. Yeah, it was. Yes, I'm terrified. I don't
like to see guns. I don't like guns. I don't
have anything against them, you do you whatever it is,
it is what it is. But I just don't like
them because they freak me out. Do you know how
to shoot a gun, Miss Jamie.
Speaker 3 (26:11):
I do not. I don't want to know because I'll
shoot everyone.
Speaker 2 (26:13):
Yeah, I've been trapping because I was in San Antonio
and I love San Antonio.
Speaker 1 (26:19):
But in my hotel room, they tried to break it
into my room twice.
Speaker 3 (26:21):
What while you were here this time?
Speaker 2 (26:23):
Not this recent trip, but when I was at the
Hondel Music Awards, and I called the lobby to tell them.
Speaker 1 (26:28):
And so when I got back to Dallas, I.
Speaker 2 (26:29):
Thought, you know what, I need to learn how to
protect myself because I don't know how to fight.
Speaker 1 (26:33):
Do y'all know how to fight? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (26:36):
Knows how fun, but not with guns. I love that
that happened to you.
Speaker 2 (26:43):
Well, you know, things happen, honey, I've been Are you
sure they weren't in the wrong room? No, because they
happened twice. They really tried breaking in and I was
there all by myself, just gay as the day. I
went to the awards, y'all in a brown sequin head
to tell.
Speaker 6 (26:56):
What you do is you play? You play a movie
really loud, like go Home Alone? Yeah, Kevin McAllister.
Speaker 2 (27:03):
One time, y'all, I was at a hotel and I
thought I walked into the wrong room, y'all, And it
was some butt naked lady in there, butt naked on
the bed, and I said, oh my.
Speaker 1 (27:11):
God, I'm so sorry, and I closed the door. I
was earlier.
Speaker 2 (27:16):
We were talking about childhood, and it just made another
light bulb bust in my head.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
How was childhood for young Oh? Yeah, childhood, that's amazing,
I was, I guess because we're I mean, yeah, I
don't have any complaints. And you always knew you were
just so unique in the world.
Speaker 4 (27:33):
I knew since I was a kid, and I always
looked and acted feminine, you know, since I was a
little kid. But childhood was not good. That's okay, because
it made me stronger. I was bullied every day by
anyone and everyone in school, at home, in the neighborhood
just because I was too feminine, and so in school
it was always because my birth name is Jamie. So
my mom named me after a guy on a soap
(27:55):
opera that she thought was hot and yapp I think
it might have been all my children, but I'm not sure.
Speaker 3 (28:02):
But she named me after a white guy named Jamie
that she thought was cute.
Speaker 1 (28:04):
Oh, and now you are one of the children. Okay.
Speaker 4 (28:06):
Yeah, so you know my name was Jamie, so people
would always, you know, say, was that a boy or
a girl?
Speaker 3 (28:13):
Whatever?
Speaker 4 (28:14):
And then in school, as I don't know, probably maybe
in fifth grade, I was more feminine and I started
letting my hair grow out, and people were, you know,
beating me up and stuff, and I wanted to start.
Speaker 3 (28:24):
Yeah, but it's okay. I started to wear makeup.
Speaker 4 (28:26):
And things, and so they wouldn't let me wear makeup
in school, and they wouldn't let me wear girls clothes.
So I thought, by the time I got to eighth grade,
you know, I already had makeup and hair and whatever.
I was ready to be a full time woman, and
they would not allow me. So I thought, well, if
I can't be myself, then I'm just not coming to school.
So wow, I didn't go to high school, and I
dropped out after eighth grade to be authentic self full
(28:47):
time since I was fourteen.
Speaker 2 (28:48):
Oh, we have something in common. I came out of
the closet when I was fourteen years old. I couldn't
take it anymore.
Speaker 1 (28:53):
And Eric was one of the first gay people I
ever met.
Speaker 3 (28:56):
Oh really, and.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
Tell them, Eric, tell them.
Speaker 5 (29:02):
It's I don't know, it's weird because opposite, you know,
like I think I was sent to meet Chris, you know,
because I do hear stories about people gan bullied from
my background.
Speaker 1 (29:14):
It was like I was out in full force. You know.
Speaker 5 (29:16):
I wasn't a full time woman, right, I love that term.
And you said that it's tickled me. But I was
getting I was proud and no one, no one was
gonna tell me anything otherwise. And I met Chris and
he would tell me some of the stories that would
happen with him on the on the bus and everything.
And I was like, you know what I said, I
had a car. I was like sixteen, had a car.
And he was, oh my god, Eric, like, you know,
(29:38):
I'm just I have to be careful, like on the
bus because he worked. He wears makeup and he wears
like Emma Crombie and the American Eagle and everything and
I'm like yes, and I and something in me just
said I need to just you know, uh, give out
a helping hand. And I said, you know what, You're
not catching the bus anymore. I'm gonna drive to your
(29:58):
house every day and I'm gonna pick you up and
We're going to go to school. And that's what I did,
and we key keyed. We skipped school time.
Speaker 3 (30:08):
We had a less kind of friend.
Speaker 1 (30:10):
Oh yeah, that kind of friend, Chris.
Speaker 3 (30:13):
I'm sorry.
Speaker 2 (30:13):
Well, I can relate to the struggle. My scholastic life
was incredible. Bit there was those moments on the bus
that were just so intense. Why did I say intense
like that?
Speaker 5 (30:24):
It was.
Speaker 1 (30:27):
For the young ones watching this.
Speaker 2 (30:29):
We know how y'all feel, but hang in there, because
it really does get so much better.
Speaker 1 (30:34):
Look at these ladies.
Speaker 3 (30:37):
It gets much better.
Speaker 1 (30:38):
Especially, you know, I feel like now everything is so different.
Things are accepted, so it's in some regard easier for
people to be who they are or queer kids. But
then we have social media and we're I mean, we
grew up in the eighties and nineties, so there was
nothing and we did a lot of stuff that is
not there's no evidence of so with social media. You know,
(30:59):
it's almost makes it more difficult, so it's kind of
like a catch twenty two.
Speaker 2 (31:03):
But yeah, well, I love when you mentioned the eighties,
the fact that you were doing what you were doing
Miss Jamie in the eighties. Who were your inspirations that
were giving you strength?
Speaker 4 (31:13):
So you know, I always felt feminine, but I wasn't
quite sure. I would just pray, like, you know, just
let me wake up tomorrow as a girl or a boy,
just pick one.
Speaker 3 (31:20):
I cannot be.
Speaker 4 (31:21):
I thought I was the only person that felt this
way in the world, and there was no social media,
So how was I to know that there were other
people like me? Because I was the only one that
I knew. But nineteen eighty four, Madonna came out on
the MTV Awards and her little wedding dress with the
boy toy belt, and that just told me, you know what,
I want to be like Madonna. I need to like
(31:42):
That's the light bul went off in my head. I
didn't know any of trance people or anything, really, but
I knew that Madonna was fierce and empowering and bold
and strong and beautiful, and I thought, that's what I
want to be.
Speaker 2 (31:56):
My goodness, the power of the pop stars. They really
do in influenced the children, like how Gaga is to
the new generations.
Speaker 1 (32:03):
Madonna was for.
Speaker 4 (32:04):
You, yeah, because there were no role models. And I thought,
you know, if she can do all this and everybody
hates her, she doesn't care what anybody thinks. And she's
amazing and strong. She's just doing whatever she wants. And
you know, she has her gay dancers and I saw,
I know, I saw some trans or you know, drag
queen people in her videos and stuff. But I just thought, Wow,
no one is doing this. She's standing up for HIV
rights and things, and I thought, wow, Like she is
(32:26):
a bass and that's what I want to be.
Speaker 1 (32:28):
And you are.
Speaker 2 (32:30):
Look at all the people who are looking at both
of you all these days.
Speaker 1 (32:33):
It is amazing.
Speaker 2 (32:35):
And speaking of looking at who was the first trans
person that y'all ever saw? And you like how you
mentioned you had never seen somebody or knew that other.
Speaker 1 (32:45):
People felt that way.
Speaker 2 (32:46):
Who was the first trans person you said, Oh, bitch,
there's more out there.
Speaker 1 (32:50):
Yeah, Candy Andrews.
Speaker 3 (32:52):
Tandy Andrews, Yeah, Ay.
Speaker 1 (32:56):
The legendary Tandy Erica's mom. Yeah, So in the midnight
she was like the bomb you know, like everything in Santanias.
So I was seventeen. My friends took me to the
Paper Moon this Saint yeah, and I didn't really know
any Like it was always off. I was off. There
(33:16):
was something wrong, angry, you know that whole thing. And
they're like, OK, we're gonna go to a gay bar
watch a show. And I thought, yeah, let's go and
like to go for school. But what's the show? You
know that whole thing, and bitch, that curtain opened up
the old paper Moon hunt steps and you know, the
stage and the curtain opened up, and I was like,
oh my god, like that's what it is like, girl,
(33:36):
it like clicked like at that point, I was like, Okay,
this is when let's go buy me a wig, baby,
like you know, that was the time let me grow
out my little three hairs.
Speaker 3 (33:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (33:49):
Yeah. So it was Jus Yeah, Tandy and Shady Lady,
Donna Day, Paula Delay. It was that crew back in
the day. Yeah, but Tandy was the first one who
came out, and I thought a whole this is what
was wrong. Like I and my friends were probably like, yeah, girl,
like why do you think we brought your hair? Yeah,
they wanted you to get like the yeah, I guess yeah,
(34:11):
my friends. The two friends I went with were a
year older than me, so they were already eighteen and like,
we'll just get you in. My friend that looked nothing
like me, Like he showed his idea and then like
passed it back, and I, oh, no, he showed his
his striver's license, and I showed his military idea. I mean,
like a tall, skinny white guy named oh I won't
say his name, but yes, Jason, yea his name. I
(34:33):
mean we were like sisters for one hundred years. His
name was Ray, and I want to guess that he
I used this idea, and like, I mean back at
the day, they were just like yeah, whatever, minor. That's
how I got into the bars until I was twenty.
Speaker 3 (34:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (34:47):
For all the youngins watching that might stumble upon this
and your eyes are just bursting with joy. If you
want to learn about trans history and icons, there is
a documentary named Trantasia. Get into it, honey, And if
you go on YouTube, type in Tandy Andrews, type in
Memi Marks, type in Saeson, type in all those girls.
(35:10):
They are Erica Andrews Legend Dairy, who was the first
Queen goddess that you saw Miss Jamie.
Speaker 4 (35:18):
Well, I think one of the ones that I felt
inspired by in a connection to is miss Ree and
San Antonio. She and AJ they are so amazing. And
there are a couple uh in San Antonio that own
a salon called The Wave, and they've always been nothing
but nice. So I felt like when I first went
out to the bars and I saw other trans people,
they weren't very friendly to me, but probably because they
(35:39):
didn't know me and I was new and I was
probably awkward, you know, you know, and so in general
they kind of avoided me. But Miss Ree and AJ
Beautiful were so nice to me from the start.
Speaker 3 (35:48):
And miss Ree kind of looked like Raquel welch ooh
she looks like wonder woman. She still looks.
Speaker 1 (35:53):
Oh wow, looks Yes, it looks the same.
Speaker 3 (35:57):
Yes.
Speaker 4 (35:58):
And AJ both ages getting to drug Janet Jackson beautiful, beautiful,
beautiful and so sweet. And I remember I was just
staring at them the first night that I kind of
went out to the bars and I saw Tandy and
everybody else, and of course Tandy wouldn't talk to anybody,
but but really, well, because you know, she's a star,
she she can perform and leave, you know. But Mistery
and AJ were out in the audience, and misster Ree
(36:19):
would perform too, but she owned the salon. So I
was inspired by her as a powerful trans woman, and
she just I was staring, you know, like so rudely
at them, like oh my god, and they.
Speaker 3 (36:29):
Just gave me a little way of like hi, honey.
And I was like, oh my god.
Speaker 1 (36:31):
They talked to me.
Speaker 4 (36:32):
And so you know, that was my first interaction with somebody,
a trans person that was friendly with me. And so
I thought, oh, you know, I want to be like
Mistere So yeahs and we're still friends. Now she's her
and AJ are amazing.
Speaker 2 (36:46):
And now all those people in San Antonio were y'all
fell from the skies of the now they're living for y'all.
Speaker 4 (36:54):
Honey, they're so sweet. I just talked to Mystery and
AJ the other night. But miss Ree was on the
radio show in the night and San Antonio in the morning,
as you know, I like a personality for the radio
the morning show and Amber Nicks and you know, with
some other people and so. And she had a billboard
in the nineties, Danges.
Speaker 1 (37:12):
Legendary nice six point wise.
Speaker 2 (37:14):
I know, I thought, and that ties into what y'all
are doing right now, because we are living in some
interesting times and we're not gonna go there. There's enough
of that out there, but we're just gonna say really
quickly that in this world that we're living in where
they're trying to label trans people, gay people as a
certain something, what is so cool about both of y'all
is that y'all have bum rushed into that ether that
(37:38):
that pop culture bubble, and y'are not letting politicians or
people define y'all.
Speaker 1 (37:44):
Y'all are successful.
Speaker 2 (37:45):
Y'all are showing the world that this is what they're
saying on television isn't.
Speaker 1 (37:50):
True about us.
Speaker 2 (37:51):
Look at us, Look at y'all, and that's what's so incredible.
So y'all definitely y'all deserve all the flowers in the universe.
And it brings me so much joy seeing the world
receiving y'all the way they are. Oh honey, did you
think I was gonna give it to you all at one?
Speaker 1 (38:08):
Take?
Speaker 2 (38:09):
Stay tuned because part two gets even juicier.
Speaker 1 (38:15):
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I'm just maze at what you're thinking about. This is
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Speaker 2 (00:25):
Now, ladies and gentlemen, I am so excited. I'm jumping
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out of my chair with my faha on. We have
legends in the room and they are taking over the world.
So quickly, lady and gentlemen. I want y'all to take
it away with your iconic intro. Take it away, ladies.
I'm Cassandra Ali.
Speaker 3 (01:06):
Saya and I'm miss Jamie and we're the real estate.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
Y'alls incredible in the studio.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
I can't get enough Welcome, Welcome, ladies. Y'all look amazing.
How was your trip getting into town?
Speaker 1 (01:21):
Good? Yeah? Quick? I was making a video off the
drive Star.
Speaker 4 (01:26):
Audio and said the highlight was stopping at BUCkies and
then we got here BUCkies.
Speaker 3 (01:31):
Yeah it was. It was fast. It was really fast.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
What did y'all buy a BUCkies?
Speaker 2 (01:34):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (01:35):
Same, like the biggest doctor for zero possible and those
like candy Pecans like, oh yeah, those are so good.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
Can I ask y'all when y'all arrived to BUCkies, do
y'all get those little butterflies in your stomach, like, oh
my gosh, we're about to walk into BUCkies.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
Oh because we're excited.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
Or just because of your grand Persona's honey.
Speaker 4 (01:54):
Oh no, yeah, oh yeah. Just he doesn't need anyone
to like bird launch.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
Their watching term. It was always a good Yeah, it's
always a good one or two. And Bucky, wow, you boy,
they have amazing restrooms. That's the real reason.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
I mean you feel so you know back when we
were in school and sometimes nature called and you were like,
whoy on this day?
Speaker 1 (02:24):
And the door has that big crack. Yeah, and everybody
can everybody should have individual little room. That's Bucky. Bucky's
has it.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
So we got to start off with the question everybody
wants to know, how did the real estate dolls come
to be?
Speaker 1 (02:42):
Okay, the full.
Speaker 3 (02:43):
Story, the full story?
Speaker 1 (02:45):
Yeah, okay, So we were doing real estate with Cold Anchor.
We got a broker's license last year, create our own
brokerages individually. This year, I went to a luxury real
estate summit and made the decision that I had to
just bite the bullet and do more videos. Of course,
I'm like, we have to do more videos. That's it.
It is what it is. And then Jamie came up
(03:06):
with the idea of coining us the real estate Dolls.
Speaker 4 (03:10):
Yeah, but I do have to give credit because so
Kamora Black. We were actually well I heard it from
a few different people, but Kamora Black called us the dolls,
and I hadn't heard that. I hadn't really heard it.
I didn't realize that was the new thing. And then
I heard let's just mask her saying the dolls, and
I thought, oh, this is the thing. And we were
leaving a restaurant at me and Cassandra and a girlfriend
of ours, and there were some gay guys there and
(03:32):
they're like, oh, the dolls, the dolls, and I thought,
oh my god. So when she started wanting to do videos,
I thought, well, we have to brand ourselves as something
because we can't just do videos like everyone else. We
have to stand out. And I said, let's call ourselves
the real estate Dolls. And Castandra's like.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
I said, no, that's that's not going to happen. Opposed
to it, because I just thought, like, no, we're luxury agents,
you know, like that's like not going to work with
our brand, that whole thing, and she said, let's just
do We'll just see what's up. We did that first
video and to look back at that video so embarrassing.
It's like, what were we been doing? And dolling around?
(04:08):
Dolling around? And that video blew up instantly. We did.
We filmed three homes that first day. By the time
we got to the third home, the first one was like,
what's going on? Yeah, it was like literally like, oh,
something's happening. And so I thought, well, I guess whether
it was.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
Yeah, oh, it totally worked because I will never forget
being at home. I was on my phone and y'all
popped up out of the blue life boom, and I
saw what was going down, and I said, this is
the most genius thing I have ever seen. And I
think I've seen a lot of stuff. Eric, I feel
like we've seen so many.
Speaker 5 (04:40):
Yeah, what got my attention was that you for somehow
you guys capture the nineties. And I saw it and
I was like, oh my god, and I sent it
to Chris.
Speaker 3 (04:50):
But what makes you say that, because a lot of
people say that because you know how I look.
Speaker 5 (04:54):
But no, no, no, it's not the look. It's not the look,
it's the feel of the video. You're like, Hi, I'm
Concerndra and I'm Jamie. This is this is wonderful San Antonio.
Speaker 3 (05:04):
Like an old school show, like an old school keepy
show or you know what.
Speaker 6 (05:06):
It felt like like an old school like you're up
too late and the commercials come on at night.
Speaker 3 (05:11):
Gosh yeah, like we're doing uh miss Cleo.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
Yeah, kind of like it now.
Speaker 6 (05:18):
Kind of that vibe though, a little bit like the
late night commercial vibe. And Eric was so excited he
told me about it. He wouldn't stop talking about it.
Oh really, yeah, he loved it.
Speaker 5 (05:28):
I love Cassandra by the Liver Rock in San Antonio.
There's the river walk can sit down and have a
bite to eat or and then you chime in, You're
like or blah blah, and I'm just like, oh my god,
I just love this.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
I'm dying when the camera turns and I start talking,
sexy girl and I have a big flirt. It's just
in my nature, Like I'm Porto Rican, so I float
with everything. The camera turns.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
On now.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
And I just start like working there.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
Well, I don't want y'all to change a beat, honey,
either the night is or anything, because here's the thing,
we have three seconds to get people's attention, and I
believe firmly that your look is definitely the hook. Y'all
don't even have to say nothing. I said last night,
I click reposts before I.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
Even watched some video. It's just that freaking good. And
as they.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
Have evolved, because y'all are blowing up quick, y'all have been.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
Y'all just got back from New York. We went to
LA Afternoon. Did you do, Andy Cohen? Did you? And radio? Okay?
Speaker 3 (06:31):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (06:31):
Wow, sorry, and all of it started because you were
posting these videos.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
You're trying to sell sell houses. I guess is that
what a broker does. I don't know. Yeah, okay, yeah.
So our videos blew up and somebody mentioned something and
John Hill reached out, and I thought, well.
Speaker 4 (06:49):
I'm just gonna somebody message us and from one of
our videos and commented and said, John Hill just mentioned.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
Jim that's what it was. Yeah, oh wow, yeah he
found us. So he yeah, John mentioned us, and oh look,
I'm just gonna message him. And I messaged him and
he responded, and then we just started talking and then
put what a thought. We were already going to New York.
Just realize that. Now He's like, I'm truly believed that
we were soulmates in our past life. Oh and I
(07:17):
probably screwed him over, so I need to make it
up to him this life. Yeah. So in this life,
we grew up four minutes away from each other, and
we're two years apart in agent. We never knew each
other until May nineteenth, when we met in per Se.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
And this all went down. Yes, speaking of all of this, dude,
the dolls get hit on.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
A line the world because trans girls do all the time,
and then we're lammed up, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
Yeah, what is the kindest compliment you have ever gotten
out in the world.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
By a man. There's this guy who sends me voice
notes every morning and sometimes every evening, and like, I've
never met him and I don't even respond. Earlier, I
listened to one and he's like, your pictures you look
so sexy, those those beautiful toes. I thought, oh, now
he's lying.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
Yeah, fo like Flintstone, people are into the whole foot thing. Yeah,
oh you would do some foot fetish type stuff.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
I mean, yeah, I mean sure, Yeah, I've had a
lot of fun in my life, so I'm like, not
really looking to have a lot of extracurricular fun unless
it's for you know.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
I dare you, Cassandra to just send a picture of
like some proto feet just out of crazy.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
And say, well, I forgot to get a pedicure before
we came to town, so my feet would just work.
I live, we love it.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
I find you guys so fascinating. I say, guys would
love because we're all girls and guys.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
You know all of that.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
In your journey in real estate, what is the wildest
thing that has ever happened to you as you're selling
a house?
Speaker 1 (08:59):
Many things, it's crazy.
Speaker 4 (09:01):
One is so one time I was getting ready for
an open house and this guy walks in and I,
you know, fluffing the pillows and I have the cookies ready,
and he just walks in and he looks at the house,
and he looks at me, and he walks right up
to me and says, wow, I've never seen a transgender
celture before.
Speaker 5 (09:15):
Oh.
Speaker 3 (09:16):
I was like, oh, well.
Speaker 4 (09:16):
Now you have, and so you know, but he was
he was really nice. He didn't mean any harm, but
he was shocked to see a trans woman in an
open house because of the stereotypes that society places on us,
that they'd expect us to work in bars or entertainment,
which we're great at, but you know, we could do
other things too. We should be able to do everything.
So he was really nice. He didn't buy the house,
but that was one of the craziest things. And then
(09:39):
I think I'd mentioned to you, but another client asked
me if I was a lesbian.
Speaker 1 (09:43):
Oh my god, walk us through that for the audience.
Speaker 4 (09:46):
So we're going through the showings and you know, he's
kind of looking at me and he knows something is
a little different, but he's not sure quite like this
girl's kind of butcher.
Speaker 3 (09:56):
You're just kind of a manly So he.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
Are you do a region?
Speaker 4 (10:00):
Yeah, He's just like, Jamie, are you a lesbian?
Speaker 3 (10:05):
Excuse me?
Speaker 1 (10:06):
You're like yes, I used to day Ellen. I know
what she smells like.
Speaker 4 (10:12):
I'm like, well, no, I was like, are you And
he's like, well, no, I'm a man. I was like, well,
so am I.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
What happened after that?
Speaker 4 (10:19):
He was just like, oh, I'm sorry. Did I offend you?
And I said no, did I offend you? And he's like, oh, no, okay,
I'll drop it, and he dropped it.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
But the men know you know what I mean, that's
just their It's like their childish indirect way to get in.
You know, they know what's up because they come all
he wants me.
Speaker 3 (10:33):
To say, like, oh no, I'm trans and let's sleep together.
Speaker 1 (10:36):
So would you agree? You know how some guys are like, oh,
I didn't know. I didn't know. You're like sometimes I.
Speaker 3 (10:42):
Think they depending on how they trained.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
The guilty dog barks the loudest out of curiosity.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
What type of guys hit on y'all the most?
Speaker 3 (10:55):
All? Oh I yeah, no, no, well what time you
go first?
Speaker 1 (11:00):
I mean I don't know. I mean, I mean it
depends on the in particular TRANSI just in general. When
you're out in the world.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
Say you're out there at Smoothie King getting the almighty Smoothie,
who hits on you the most that you're you know,
writing off in your mental notebook?
Speaker 1 (11:16):
I don't know. I mean, really, it just depends on
the person. Yeah, I mean all kinds married. We'll say that.
Speaker 4 (11:21):
To generalize it, I can tell you who. I get
a lot of the Turkish.
Speaker 1 (11:25):
Oh yeah, oh my god. In La it's like every
Los Angeles Turkish resident was hitting.
Speaker 3 (11:32):
On other gorgeous.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
Oh they are so gorgeous? Can we get hella?
Speaker 3 (11:35):
Hello?
Speaker 1 (11:36):
Real?
Speaker 2 (11:36):
Yeah, Okay, I'm just kidding. Okay, I'll put a little
more makeup on it, kidding. So in the dating scene
in the world, I find it hard to date as
a gay man because I've always gotten thrown into the
bin because I wear makeup where they find me too feminine.
Like that's what I've gotten as I've been pushed to
(11:57):
the side in my life. Did you on your journey
ever experienced and somebody gave it a good name the
other day they say it's called fem phobia as a
man that does all this in your journey, did you
ever experience.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
That from other people in general? Or are there people
in general in general?
Speaker 2 (12:15):
Like, let's say, before you came into your full.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
Self, I don't think. I'm sure you're didn't because you
were so young and I transition. I was, like, you know,
start at seventeen and like androgynists through eighteen and by
nineteen I was living this way. So I don't think
I did it. Maybe I did, you know, but I
don't think so.
Speaker 3 (12:33):
No, And I think for I think for you for sure.
Speaker 4 (12:35):
You're probably people that would be most attracted to you
are straight men who are attracted to femininity because you
have a feminine appearance and appeal.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
So maybe I'm going to the wrong bar.
Speaker 4 (12:45):
Is the wrong because some gay men may like feminine guys,
but if you're giving off a little bit of fem
you're probably going to attract straight men who like fem.
Speaker 5 (12:53):
Well.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
I mean, in my life, I've been hella hella fam
even though I try not to. Like one time, I
good Judy Eric over here came to the house to
tease my hair, and I mean we were headed to
a masquerine and walked in with Patti LaBelle hair, So
I mean, it was it was. It was just what
it is. But as your authentic self, you find the
dating scene. It's just it goes right for y'all.
Speaker 1 (13:15):
Yeah, I mean, I try not to focus on that
too much because I want something specific and I've had
a lot of fun in my life, so I just
until I find that I'm not bothered. What would it
take for Cassandra to settle down?
Speaker 3 (13:31):
I didn't say it. She likes she likes wallets, Oh you.
Speaker 1 (13:35):
Like the green I like wealthy men. Yeah. Really, I
like a particular lifestyle and I can provide it to
the point for myself. And so I figure, I've seen
a lot of people put up with a lot of shit,
and I thought, well why, And I've never been in
love and I don't really care to be, so I
don't know what that's like. So I feel, well, you know,
(13:55):
being in a relationship is a choice, and you have
to work at it every day, and if you choose
to continue to love each other and stay together, then
it's it's a choice. It's work. So I'm going to
make the choice. I'm going to make. Cassandra. Now you
got my little light bulb going off.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
What is the most luxurious thing that has been given
to you?
Speaker 1 (14:15):
I mean, my ex paid for my one of my
car payments for a little.
Speaker 6 (14:19):
Bit, ah, one of your car payments?
Speaker 1 (14:23):
Right, how many cars do you have? I have three.
I have so one that I'm waiting to be a classic,
but it's not yet because's only nineteen years old. I
have six Mercedes E three fifty, and then I have
a Mercedes mL I mean gl E three fifty, and
then I have a Yukon Excel the Knowledge. Oh wow,
that's it. Girls like right, just.
Speaker 3 (14:43):
In case she has the weekend car.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
Well, I have my day off car. I live in
by Bernie, like in the suburbs, So I drive my
Yukon and I'm country girl, you know. Yeah. When I
work or I have to go to an event or downtown,
I drive the suv. Yeah that's right.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
I you got five dollars.
Speaker 1 (15:04):
My older car just sits under a car cover and
I drive it like every month or two. That's what
I have. My night rider car. Yeah, he actually does
have the night Rider car. Oh yeah, I'm obsessed with cars. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (15:15):
Do you have a little watch that pairs with it?
Speaker 1 (15:17):
I have a watch now, it's a replica watch.
Speaker 6 (15:19):
I haven't taken it out of the box yet, but
I have one.
Speaker 2 (15:22):
That So in your real estate selling the homes you're
out there on location. Have you ever walked into home
and said, what the is going on? We can't sell this?
Like crazy, like something bad like a dad raccoon up
in a cupboard somewhere, or a haunted house.
Speaker 3 (15:40):
I've had.
Speaker 1 (15:41):
Man, you go first, Well, I mean there's a lot
of crazy stuff, Like you know, it's a reno and
the developer has one of his workers living there. And
so you're like, oh, sorry, or there's a whole air
mattress on the floor, or you know, it's just like, oh,
these people didn't care to clean, or do you.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
Know those videos where they show you that like somebody
has come in and flipped the house and it looks
like a pretty now then you get an inspector and
it's a piece of ship.
Speaker 1 (16:06):
Has that ever happened?
Speaker 3 (16:08):
I had showing.
Speaker 4 (16:09):
This was probably the craziest thing that's that's happened in
the house to me. But I had a showing with
a trans friend of mine, and I was like, okay,
you know, sometimes the.
Speaker 3 (16:17):
Pictures look better, so just be prepared.
Speaker 4 (16:19):
So I opened the door and it's raining inside the
the It was we had a big rainstorm, and so
I don't know what happened. The reno that they did
was not done properly, obviously without permits, and the rain
was it was just showering inside the house.
Speaker 3 (16:40):
In the world blooded flood.
Speaker 4 (16:42):
The living room was flooded with rain just coming in
because they had done the roof for something but apparently wrong.
And I was, okay, let's close the door.
Speaker 3 (16:51):
Called the agent. I said, your house is raining.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
What happened like, what do you let the listening agent know? Impressed?
Speaker 4 (17:00):
It's an emergency that you know, obviously they're not aware
of because they're not there. And so since I knew,
I just called them and said, oh, thank you so
much for letting me know. But I mean, all all
they can do is send somebody over there right away
put a tarp over it.
Speaker 3 (17:10):
But you know, you.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
Would think they would condemn the house, like we can't
sell this no more because there's gonna be mold.
Speaker 3 (17:16):
Yeah, real Saturday a little.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
So in the world of homes right now, where do
y'all see this going? Like everything is getting so freaking expensive.
Have y'all noticed that homes in the hood are now
like half a million dollars?
Speaker 1 (17:29):
What's up with that?
Speaker 3 (17:30):
Oh my god?
Speaker 1 (17:30):
Yeah, vacation. But it's happening everywhere.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
So do you think they're trying to like push out
the hood in every city?
Speaker 1 (17:37):
I mean in certain areas, I think they're trying to
revive let's call it some areas. So that's just kind
of what it's happening more because times are changing, I think,
and people want a different thing.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
You know, when they say, oh, the bubble's going to burst,
what does that mean.
Speaker 3 (17:52):
I mean, there's always ups and down.
Speaker 1 (17:53):
I think when people say, oh, with the real estate market,
it's going to crash, the bubble's going to burst, they're
referring to two thousand and eight when there were a
ton of subprime loans. The people that weren't you know,
credit worthy, yea qualified ticket loans all had them, and
then the credit market, the housing market crash because there
were so many foreclosures. It's that it's not that's not
(18:14):
going to happen more. You pretty much have to give, like,
you know, a blood sample and you're first born to
get a mortgage now, so everyone is qualified, So it's
not going to burst. It's just like the interest are
going up and down, prices have gone up, and so
people just know that term and think that it's going
to be a crash, and there isn't going to be.
Speaker 6 (18:32):
We're just not gonna be able to buy houses for
one hundred thousand dollars anymore.
Speaker 1 (18:34):
Correct. Yeah, And we had you know, two and a
half three three and a half percent mortgages during COVID
and it's not going to happen.
Speaker 3 (18:42):
Everybody's waiting for that, but it's gonna be waiting a.
Speaker 1 (18:43):
Long time were we have. We're we're in normalized times now.
I mean in nineteen eighties, it was like a fifteen, sixteen,
eighteen percent interest rate on a mortgage, and that was normal.
Back then, it was a little hypos normal. Yeah, six
and seven percent now is a normal fair interest rate.
Because people lived through a few years ago, they're like, oh,
I can't believe it's so high now, I'm waiting for
(19:06):
them to come back down. And the girl, we were too, babe,
but it's not happening.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
You think that's because the prices are so expensive that
the interest rate was at like ten eleven, sixteen.
Speaker 1 (19:15):
People would never like it was so like, you know,
a five hundred thousand dollars house at a six percent
interest rate is going to cost you like in the
mid three hundreds, I mean three thousands. Let's just say,
if we're a ten percent interest rate, you're five six
thousand dollars for the same house. So it's just not doable.
I mean, the interest rates due in my personal opinion,
this is not professionally. I just think it needs to
(19:35):
be there needs to be a five in front of it.
Point nine nine. It's a mental thing. And yeah, and
the market would take off in prices. But when the
market takes off, it comes down too low. Everybody starts
buying them. There's multiple offers, and then people are competing
for the same house, and that pushes the price out,
and then that house just became a comp for the
house down the street. So then that house sells for more,
and then that comp just becomes you know. So then
(19:57):
that's how housing prices get put like the market gets
and up because one house sells for a little over
becomes the comfort the one down the street that sells
for more, and then that neighborhood just keeps increasing in
value because that's what we go based off of, and
that push its values up, which is what happened during COVID,
And now we are sitting at these prices. And then
after COVID settled down, interest rates went up, prices stabilized
(20:19):
a bit in some areas, and some cities came down,
some more than others. But we are where we are,
and this is where we are.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
So I grew up in a place in Dallas called
Oak Cliff, Yeah, and I want to move back so badly,
but it seems heavily gentrified to the tea.
Speaker 1 (20:34):
I love that y'all heard of oclip? Oh my god, yeah,
I know, Cliff. Yeah. So get this.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
I grew up on a street called Barnett and right
now it's not heavily gentrified.
Speaker 1 (20:44):
It'll get there, maybe in fifteen years. Girl.
Speaker 2 (20:47):
They're trying to sell some homes on that street for
seven hundred thousand dollars. Now, if all the homes in
the hood look like somebody just got you know, chop
chopped up in there, can you do that?
Speaker 1 (21:00):
Can you price the home? It's because some houses in
areas like that don't have a comp so they have
to like, you know, you, we're going to go out,
We're going to go back six months and we're going
to go out half a mile and look to see
what a comparable house so for. But to give that price.
Speaker 4 (21:13):
It also goes by supplying demands. So it really the
market is really determined by what people are willing to
pay for a house in a neighborhood. So if somebody
sees that house and says, you know what, this is
the house I want, this is the neighborhood I want.
I'm going to pay seven hundred thousand, then that's the
new market price.
Speaker 1 (21:26):
And if they're not getting a loan that requires an appraisal.
They can pay anything they went for and then that
becomes the comp.
Speaker 3 (21:31):
Yeah, it goes by what people are willing to I would.
Speaker 1 (21:33):
Buy a gas house in that neighborhood.
Speaker 2 (21:36):
Now, yeah, Cassandra, if you moved to Oakliffe, if y'all
come to.
Speaker 1 (21:42):
Get that house, I would. If I were you, I
would buy a house that neighborhood because well.
Speaker 2 (21:47):
To be honest with you, to be honest with y'all,
because I love that y'all know all about this. If
I had the seven hundred thousand for the home, I
probably wouldn't even buy that house because I could make
me a bomb ass house somewhere else.
Speaker 1 (21:58):
You know. I'm saying if there are older homes or
something that you normally wouldn't look at that lesser ad Yes,
and that's what Eric did. He bought a fixer upper.
Speaker 5 (22:06):
Ye, yeah, I did. Yeah, but not in Dallas. It's
in between actually Dallas and for Worth, right by the airport.
So I think it's still advantageous to still buy that
house because it's easy to sell because it's by the
airport right and between Dallas.
Speaker 3 (22:21):
Improvements and time you can't go wrong with real estate.
Speaker 2 (22:26):
Well, what I'm noticing that I think is just so
wild is that house that I saw for seven hundred thousand,
they lowered the price to about the five hundreds.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
Now forget this.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
There was an empty plot of land right next to it,
and they're building a massive.
Speaker 1 (22:38):
Brand new home on that plot of land. We'll forget it.
Speaker 2 (22:41):
So I said, this little house that we hear that
was splipped compared to the new one next door, Oh
my god. So that's the future of that area. Now
get this that street that I grew up in. If
you go just a street away, there's like huge homes
there in the in the million rains.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
And does that affect comps? Yeah, it could.
Speaker 4 (23:02):
It depends on the quality of the size, the square footage,
the year it was built.
Speaker 1 (23:06):
Yeah, they're not the same kind of home. It's not okay, okay.
Speaker 4 (23:09):
They try to compare apples to apples. So same size,
same age, two story, one story that it has to be.
Speaker 3 (23:14):
Apples to apples, finish quality.
Speaker 4 (23:16):
They won't compare that one to an older house that
needs work.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
Got it.
Speaker 2 (23:19):
Now, if you could describe your style, if you were
a home, what kind of home would you be?
Speaker 3 (23:26):
I know, what.
Speaker 1 (23:30):
I like a more traditional style. I like, uh, I've
always had like very rust. I live in the hill country,
you know, Like so I like all that Austin hill
country in Santinia hill country. Bernie. Yeah yeah, oh yeah,
I live out like north northwest, like going out towards Bernie.
I live right outside of Bernie by going headed to Comfort.
Speaker 2 (23:50):
So there's a town called Bernie around San Antonio. Yeah,
people watching this, tell us about Bernie? What does that mean?
Speaker 1 (23:57):
I live in the ranch zip host That's where I live.
I don't know. Why can you hear the comments already?
Speaker 3 (24:06):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (24:10):
She has a house in Baverdi, so yeah, if you
know the area, Yeah yeah, wow when did y'all get
these homes? I grew up out there. Actually I lived
there all my life.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
Really Okay, So she had a lovely Christmas growing up.
She didn't have noodles hanging there. Oh I love it.
Speaker 1 (24:27):
I love this. Tell us, honey, tell us about your child.
I grew up down the street from John Hill. Yeah,
and you know I grew up it was like true
hill country, like the sticks and you know, my my elementary,
middle of high school were like fifteen minutes plus away,
and there was nothing from my house to there, just
hill country and woods and trees and all that. Now
(24:47):
it's like suburbia beyond. So growing up in that environment,
did you learn how to like hunt? And you know,
but like we'd be by doun, we played out land,
so I mean I would shoot at birds sometimes. Thank you.
Never did you say I'm portrayed that did teach me? No? No,
(25:09):
I mean it wasn't me. But yeah, we had like
go karts and outside stuff and you know, like, do
you know how to shoot a gun these days? Yeah,
but I'm terrified of guns, so I don't. Yeah, because
when I was a kid, we were out chasing birds
and my it's like somebody that lived by us had
his baby gun just carelessly and he just picked it
(25:31):
up like looking at the bird and pulled a trigger
of accident. He was really far away, and the babe
hit me right. You really can't see anymore. And the
danby was in my head for like five or six
weeks until the doctors get me and get it out.
And he's like, if it would have gone like a
couple of millimeters or however much more, it would have
hit the nerve in my eye. So I think that yeah,
(25:55):
before I was a little kid. I was like younger
than ten. Yeah, it was. Yes, I'm terrified. I don't
like to see guns. I don't like guns. I don't
have anything against them, you do you whatever it is,
it is what it is. But I just don't like
them because they freak me out. Do you know how
to shoot a gun, Miss Jamie.
Speaker 3 (26:11):
I do not. I don't want to know because I'll
shoot everyone.
Speaker 2 (26:13):
Yeah, I've been trapping because I was in San Antonio
and I love San Antonio.
Speaker 1 (26:19):
But in my hotel room, they tried to break it
into my room twice.
Speaker 3 (26:21):
What while you were here this time?
Speaker 2 (26:23):
Not this recent trip, but when I was at the
Hondel Music Awards, and I called the lobby to tell them.
Speaker 1 (26:28):
And so when I got back to Dallas, I.
Speaker 2 (26:29):
Thought, you know what, I need to learn how to
protect myself because I don't know how to fight.
Speaker 1 (26:33):
Do y'all know how to fight? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (26:36):
Knows how fun, but not with guns. I love that
that happened to you.
Speaker 2 (26:43):
Well, you know, things happen, honey, I've been Are you
sure they weren't in the wrong room? No, because they
happened twice. They really tried breaking in and I was
there all by myself, just gay as the day. I
went to the awards, y'all in a brown sequin head
to tell.
Speaker 6 (26:56):
What you do is you play? You play a movie
really loud, like go Home Alone? Yeah, Kevin McAllister.
Speaker 2 (27:03):
One time, y'all, I was at a hotel and I
thought I walked into the wrong room, y'all, And it
was some butt naked lady in there, butt naked on
the bed, and I said, oh my.
Speaker 1 (27:11):
God, I'm so sorry, and I closed the door. I
was earlier.
Speaker 2 (27:16):
We were talking about childhood, and it just made another
light bulb bust in my head.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
How was childhood for young Oh? Yeah, childhood, that's amazing,
I was, I guess because we're I mean, yeah, I
don't have any complaints. And you always knew you were
just so unique in the world.
Speaker 4 (27:33):
I knew since I was a kid, and I always
looked and acted feminine, you know, since I was a
little kid. But childhood was not good. That's okay, because
it made me stronger. I was bullied every day by
anyone and everyone in school, at home, in the neighborhood
just because I was too feminine, and so in school
it was always because my birth name is Jamie. So
my mom named me after a guy on a soap
(27:55):
opera that she thought was hot and yapp I think
it might have been all my children, but I'm not sure.
Speaker 3 (28:02):
But she named me after a white guy named Jamie
that she thought was cute.
Speaker 1 (28:04):
Oh, and now you are one of the children. Okay.
Speaker 4 (28:06):
Yeah, so you know my name was Jamie, so people
would always, you know, say, was that a boy or
a girl?
Speaker 3 (28:13):
Whatever?
Speaker 4 (28:14):
And then in school, as I don't know, probably maybe
in fifth grade, I was more feminine and I started
letting my hair grow out, and people were, you know,
beating me up and stuff, and I wanted to start.
Speaker 3 (28:24):
Yeah, but it's okay. I started to wear makeup.
Speaker 4 (28:26):
And things, and so they wouldn't let me wear makeup
in school, and they wouldn't let me wear girls clothes.
So I thought, by the time I got to eighth grade,
you know, I already had makeup and hair and whatever.
I was ready to be a full time woman, and
they would not allow me. So I thought, well, if
I can't be myself, then I'm just not coming to school.
So wow, I didn't go to high school, and I
dropped out after eighth grade to be authentic self full
(28:47):
time since I was fourteen.
Speaker 2 (28:48):
Oh, we have something in common. I came out of
the closet when I was fourteen years old. I couldn't
take it anymore.
Speaker 1 (28:53):
And Eric was one of the first gay people I
ever met.
Speaker 3 (28:56):
Oh really, and.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
Tell them, Eric, tell them.
Speaker 5 (29:02):
It's I don't know, it's weird because opposite, you know,
like I think I was sent to meet Chris, you know,
because I do hear stories about people gan bullied from
my background.
Speaker 1 (29:14):
It was like I was out in full force. You know.
Speaker 5 (29:16):
I wasn't a full time woman, right, I love that term.
And you said that it's tickled me. But I was
getting I was proud and no one, no one was
gonna tell me anything otherwise. And I met Chris and
he would tell me some of the stories that would
happen with him on the on the bus and everything.
And I was like, you know what I said, I
had a car. I was like sixteen, had a car.
And he was, oh my god, Eric, like, you know,
(29:38):
I'm just I have to be careful, like on the
bus because he worked. He wears makeup and he wears
like Emma Crombie and the American Eagle and everything and
I'm like yes, and I and something in me just
said I need to just you know, uh, give out
a helping hand. And I said, you know what, You're
not catching the bus anymore. I'm gonna drive to your
(29:58):
house every day and I'm gonna pick you up and
We're going to go to school. And that's what I did,
and we key keyed. We skipped school time.
Speaker 3 (30:08):
We had a less kind of friend.
Speaker 1 (30:10):
Oh yeah, that kind of friend, Chris.
Speaker 3 (30:13):
I'm sorry.
Speaker 2 (30:13):
Well, I can relate to the struggle. My scholastic life
was incredible. Bit there was those moments on the bus
that were just so intense. Why did I say intense
like that?
Speaker 5 (30:24):
It was.
Speaker 1 (30:27):
For the young ones watching this.
Speaker 2 (30:29):
We know how y'all feel, but hang in there, because
it really does get so much better.
Speaker 1 (30:34):
Look at these ladies.
Speaker 3 (30:37):
It gets much better.
Speaker 1 (30:38):
Especially, you know, I feel like now everything is so different.
Things are accepted, so it's in some regard easier for
people to be who they are or queer kids. But
then we have social media and we're I mean, we
grew up in the eighties and nineties, so there was
nothing and we did a lot of stuff that is
not there's no evidence of so with social media. You know,
(30:59):
it's almost makes it more difficult, so it's kind of
like a catch twenty two.
Speaker 2 (31:03):
But yeah, well, I love when you mentioned the eighties,
the fact that you were doing what you were doing
Miss Jamie in the eighties. Who were your inspirations that
were giving you strength?
Speaker 4 (31:13):
So you know, I always felt feminine, but I wasn't
quite sure. I would just pray, like, you know, just
let me wake up tomorrow as a girl or a boy,
just pick one.
Speaker 3 (31:20):
I cannot be.
Speaker 4 (31:21):
I thought I was the only person that felt this
way in the world, and there was no social media,
So how was I to know that there were other
people like me? Because I was the only one that
I knew. But nineteen eighty four, Madonna came out on
the MTV Awards and her little wedding dress with the
boy toy belt, and that just told me, you know what,
I want to be like Madonna. I need to like
(31:42):
That's the light bul went off in my head. I
didn't know any of trance people or anything, really, but
I knew that Madonna was fierce and empowering and bold
and strong and beautiful, and I thought, that's what I
want to be.
Speaker 2 (31:56):
My goodness, the power of the pop stars. They really
do in influenced the children, like how Gaga is to
the new generations.
Speaker 1 (32:03):
Madonna was for.
Speaker 4 (32:04):
You, yeah, because there were no role models. And I thought,
you know, if she can do all this and everybody
hates her, she doesn't care what anybody thinks. And she's
amazing and strong. She's just doing whatever she wants. And
you know, she has her gay dancers and I saw,
I know, I saw some trans or you know, drag
queen people in her videos and stuff. But I just thought, Wow,
no one is doing this. She's standing up for HIV
rights and things, and I thought, wow, Like she is
(32:26):
a bass and that's what I want to be.
Speaker 1 (32:28):
And you are.
Speaker 2 (32:30):
Look at all the people who are looking at both
of you all these days.
Speaker 1 (32:33):
It is amazing.
Speaker 2 (32:35):
And speaking of looking at who was the first trans
person that y'all ever saw? And you like how you
mentioned you had never seen somebody or knew that other.
Speaker 1 (32:45):
People felt that way.
Speaker 2 (32:46):
Who was the first trans person you said, Oh, bitch,
there's more out there.
Speaker 1 (32:50):
Yeah, Candy Andrews.
Speaker 3 (32:52):
Tandy Andrews, Yeah, Ay.
Speaker 1 (32:56):
The legendary Tandy Erica's mom. Yeah, So in the midnight
she was like the bomb you know, like everything in Santanias.
So I was seventeen. My friends took me to the
Paper Moon this Saint yeah, and I didn't really know
any Like it was always off. I was off. There
(33:16):
was something wrong, angry, you know that whole thing. And
they're like, OK, we're gonna go to a gay bar
watch a show. And I thought, yeah, let's go and
like to go for school. But what's the show? You
know that whole thing, and bitch, that curtain opened up
the old paper Moon hunt steps and you know, the
stage and the curtain opened up, and I was like,
oh my god, like that's what it is like, girl,
(33:36):
it like clicked like at that point, I was like, Okay,
this is when let's go buy me a wig, baby,
like you know, that was the time let me grow
out my little three hairs.
Speaker 3 (33:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (33:49):
Yeah. So it was Jus Yeah, Tandy and Shady Lady,
Donna Day, Paula Delay. It was that crew back in
the day. Yeah, but Tandy was the first one who
came out, and I thought a whole this is what
was wrong. Like I and my friends were probably like, yeah, girl,
like why do you think we brought your hair? Yeah,
they wanted you to get like the yeah, I guess yeah,
(34:11):
my friends. The two friends I went with were a
year older than me, so they were already eighteen and like,
we'll just get you in. My friend that looked nothing
like me, Like he showed his idea and then like
passed it back, and I, oh, no, he showed his
his striver's license, and I showed his military idea. I mean,
like a tall, skinny white guy named oh I won't
say his name, but yes, Jason, yea his name. I
(34:33):
mean we were like sisters for one hundred years. His
name was Ray, and I want to guess that he
I used this idea, and like, I mean back at
the day, they were just like yeah, whatever, minor. That's
how I got into the bars until I was twenty.
Speaker 3 (34:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (34:47):
For all the youngins watching that might stumble upon this
and your eyes are just bursting with joy. If you
want to learn about trans history and icons, there is
a documentary named Trantasia. Get into it, honey, And if
you go on YouTube, type in Tandy Andrews, type in
Memi Marks, type in Saeson, type in all those girls.
(35:10):
They are Erica Andrews Legend Dairy, who was the first
Queen goddess that you saw Miss Jamie.
Speaker 4 (35:18):
Well, I think one of the ones that I felt
inspired by in a connection to is miss Ree and
San Antonio. She and AJ they are so amazing. And
there are a couple uh in San Antonio that own
a salon called The Wave, and they've always been nothing
but nice. So I felt like when I first went
out to the bars and I saw other trans people,
they weren't very friendly to me, but probably because they
(35:39):
didn't know me and I was new and I was
probably awkward, you know, you know, and so in general
they kind of avoided me. But Miss Ree and AJ
Beautiful were so nice to me from the start.
Speaker 3 (35:48):
And miss Ree kind of looked like Raquel welch ooh
she looks like wonder woman. She still looks.
Speaker 1 (35:53):
Oh wow, looks Yes, it looks the same.
Speaker 3 (35:57):
Yes.
Speaker 4 (35:58):
And AJ both ages getting to drug Janet Jackson beautiful, beautiful,
beautiful and so sweet. And I remember I was just
staring at them the first night that I kind of
went out to the bars and I saw Tandy and
everybody else, and of course Tandy wouldn't talk to anybody,
but but really, well, because you know, she's a star,
she she can perform and leave, you know. But Mistery
and AJ were out in the audience, and misster Ree
(36:19):
would perform too, but she owned the salon. So I
was inspired by her as a powerful trans woman, and
she just I was staring, you know, like so rudely
at them, like oh my god, and they.
Speaker 3 (36:29):
Just gave me a little way of like hi, honey.
And I was like, oh my god.
Speaker 1 (36:31):
They talked to me.
Speaker 4 (36:32):
And so you know, that was my first interaction with somebody,
a trans person that was friendly with me. And so
I thought, oh, you know, I want to be like
Mistere So yeahs and we're still friends. Now she's her
and AJ are amazing.
Speaker 2 (36:46):
And now all those people in San Antonio were y'all
fell from the skies of the now they're living for y'all.
Speaker 4 (36:54):
Honey, they're so sweet. I just talked to Mystery and
AJ the other night. But miss Ree was on the
radio show in the night and San Antonio in the morning,
as you know, I like a personality for the radio
the morning show and Amber Nicks and you know, with
some other people and so. And she had a billboard
in the nineties, Danges.
Speaker 1 (37:12):
Legendary nice six point wise.
Speaker 2 (37:14):
I know, I thought, and that ties into what y'all
are doing right now, because we are living in some
interesting times and we're not gonna go there. There's enough
of that out there, but we're just gonna say really
quickly that in this world that we're living in where
they're trying to label trans people, gay people as a
certain something, what is so cool about both of y'all
is that y'all have bum rushed into that ether that
(37:38):
that pop culture bubble, and y'are not letting politicians or
people define y'all.
Speaker 1 (37:44):
Y'all are successful.
Speaker 2 (37:45):
Y'all are showing the world that this is what they're
saying on television isn't.
Speaker 1 (37:50):
True about us.
Speaker 2 (37:51):
Look at us, Look at y'all, and that's what's so incredible.
So y'all definitely y'all deserve all the flowers in the universe.
And it brings me so much joy seeing the world
receiving y'all the way they are. Oh honey, did you
think I was gonna give it to you all at one?
Speaker 1 (38:08):
Take?
Speaker 2 (38:09):
Stay tuned because part two gets even juicier.
Speaker 1 (38:15):
This is mz now online at mznow dot tv, Like
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