August 26, 2025 • 51 mins
What happens when the greatest rapper of his era loses the one thing he needs most, his voice?
In this rare and unfiltered conversation, The DOC takes us back to West Dallas, the accident that nearly silenced him forever, and the writing that shaped legends like Dr. Dre, Snoop Dogg, and Eminem.
From the rise of N.W.A. to the streets of Oak Cliff, he reflects on addiction, resilience, and the rebirth that turned tragedy into purpose.
This is more than a story about hip hop. It is about survival, brotherhood, and the fight to create a legacy that goes beyond music.
Original Air Date: May 17, 2022
Watch the full episode on YouTube:
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Produced at mzStudios
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In this rare and unfiltered conversation, The DOC takes us back to West Dallas, the accident that nearly silenced him forever, and the writing that shaped legends like Dr. Dre, Snoop Dogg, and Eminem.
From the rise of N.W.A. to the streets of Oak Cliff, he reflects on addiction, resilience, and the rebirth that turned tragedy into purpose.
This is more than a story about hip hop. It is about survival, brotherhood, and the fight to create a legacy that goes beyond music.
Original Air Date: May 17, 2022
Watch the full episode on YouTube:
YouTube.com/@michaelzavala
Follow the Guys:
Michael Zavala @michaelzavala
Eric Star @mrericstar
Clark @justsimplyclark
Follow the Show:
Instagram: @mznowtv
www.MZNOW.tv
Produced at mzStudios
mzStudiosDallas.com
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You're abound to enter the world of Michael Zavalla.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Now your change to turn back gave Michael don't do
red Well.
Speaker 3 (00:12):
Uh, I'm just in Dame.
Speaker 4 (00:19):
That's what you think about.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
This is m Z.
Speaker 4 (00:22):
Now you guys are in the presence of greatness because
(00:50):
the d o C is here. Uh, it's been a
long time. I've always wanted to meet him. Is a
wrap royalty. I guess I would say thank you. So
coming out, He's like, I am yeah, Uh, you grew
up in oak Cliff area, right.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
I was born and raised in uh well, West Dallas
and then oak Cliff, you know, so to both of
those spaces.
Speaker 4 (01:15):
Yeah. Yeah, Air grew up in Oakcliffe. So he's probably
Davis and Tyler.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
Yeah yeah yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:24):
I was just saying before we started, it's rare that
everyone in the studio is from Dallas for once.
Speaker 4 (01:29):
Yeah. Yeah. Usually we had somebody hitting here a couple
of weeks ago that was from Sweden.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
Wo.
Speaker 4 (01:34):
Yeah. So now someone told me this years ago, and
I didn't know if this is true or not.
Speaker 5 (01:40):
D o C.
Speaker 4 (01:40):
Does it stand for Dallas o'cliffe whatever you wanted it
to be?
Speaker 2 (01:45):
Yeah, you know, drug a choice?
Speaker 4 (01:47):
Yeah, nice. Somebody told me that. I'm like, I don't
know if that's true or not. I'll ask him, So
there you go.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
Yeah, I mean it. It came about when when I
first went up there to the start doing music with
those guys out there bad their name was an acronym,
and so I just made mine an acronym, sort of
just to sort of connected.
Speaker 4 (02:10):
To Okay, that makes sense. Yeah, thank you so much
for coming out. It's uh, it's an honor to have
you here. Do you remember what age you were whenever
you decided that you wanted to start rapping or just
getting the music in general?
Speaker 2 (02:22):
Yeah, sixth sixth grade, sixth grade, I don't know if
that's about ten, maybe eleven, Yeah, somewhere around there. And
they were I was horrible at school by that time.
First three years of school, I was pretty damn good. Yeah,
you know, after the third grade must have got hard.
Speaker 4 (02:42):
Oh I'm sorry, God, Yeah, you're fine.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
Yeah, And I wasn't that good anymore. So by the
time the sixth grade came around, I was not doing
well in class. First last a couple of weeks of school,
they they're throwing a talent show. Does anybody think they
got a special talent. It gets you out of class
for two weeks. I developed a special talent.
Speaker 4 (03:07):
Who was it that you listened to in those days
that you were like, I kind of want to do that.
Was there an artist that really inspired you.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
Well, there's a lot of them. The early the early
days of hip hop for me was a sort of
late junior high school going into high school. You know,
Apatchy and the Message and and all of those records
starts showing up and I thought I could do that,
(03:34):
but it was it was when run DMC showed up
and the movie Crush Groove came out. I think that's
when it really kind of hit me, like I want
to do that, and I could do that.
Speaker 4 (03:46):
See for me, like writing is incredibly difficult. It's hard
for me to I have altered thoughts in my head,
but it's hard to put them on paper. For you,
does that come naturally? Did you developed that an early age?
Speaker 2 (03:55):
Yeah, it's a gift.
Speaker 4 (03:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
I mean I was, like I said, I was pretty
bad at school. So by the time I got to
high school, I developed a really ingenious way to skip
school and my parent not know. So while I was
skipping school, I made sure I learned a word every day. Right,
So then when I got home, I could throw that
(04:17):
word on my old man and he'd be like, wow, man,
my kid's really studious, you know, not knowing that I
read that at the burger king up the streets.
Speaker 4 (04:26):
Yeah. But what a great plan though. That's and it
really helped you in the long run. Yeah, It's kind
of what Eminem I heard did when he was going
through like the thesaurus and dictionary, try to find words
that nobody else was using. Yeah, they kind of which
kind of puts you ahead of everybody else.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
Right, that's right.
Speaker 4 (04:40):
You were part of a rap trio, right.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
I was part of a group called the Feeling Fresh.
Speaker 4 (04:44):
Crew here in Dallas.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
Yeah. Here in Dallas, Chrisenboudy this guy named Doctor Rock
who was a really big radio personality here in the
mid to late eighties, and he had connections with those
guys in Los Angeles, and uh invited those guys down
to Dallas and I had a chance to meet them,
(05:05):
enjoy and I really kind of connected. The group was
calling wa I.
Speaker 4 (05:09):
Thing ez Yeah, I think I've heard of it. Yeah,
a little underground group and h me and that guy
really hit it off.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
Yeah, you know, and he was like, wow, bro, if
you were in the LA, we'd be rich. And I
was like, I ain't going to you know, LA. About
six months later, my mother tried to send me to the.
Speaker 4 (05:26):
Army LA didn't too too bad.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
Out of that sudden LA got really interesting.
Speaker 4 (05:32):
Yeah, yeah, that's so awesome. And then because I'm curious
about like how the music scene in Dallas was at
the time, like the music area, because when I was
a teenager, it was Deep Allum. Now there's really not
a music area anymore here. I mean, I guess there's
still places in Deep Bellum that have live music and stuff,
But was Deep bell them even a thing back in
like the just starting to pop.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
Bubble and we did. I did a couple of feet
the Fresh Cruise shows there.
Speaker 4 (05:56):
Yeah, but I'm talking.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
I'm a sixteen year old, seventeen year old kid. I
don't know anything about a scene, right, I don't have
any money, so other than just going up through the rap,
I wouldn't ordinarily even be there.
Speaker 4 (06:08):
Yeah, you know, I mean, but.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
Dallas as a destination place, I guess, for lack of
a better way of putting it for artists and building
and blowing up that time hadn't showed up in Dallas,
But it's actually here right now, like now hard time,
Like Houston at their time, in LA at their time
in Atlanta and New Orleans and so on and so forth.
(06:34):
That moment is here in this city right now.
Speaker 4 (06:36):
You think about how many people have come out of
Dallas just in the past few years post Malone, you know,
little Ronnie the Row. All these guys are making getting
national attention and the national plays. And it's just incredible
to see that. Not it always puts a smile on
my face when somebody represents Dallas.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
Well, I said, a destination station because most of our
great art and artists they come get them and take them, yeah,
you know, and so we never get a chance to develop.
These people come here and they use these great musicians
and they use these great writers and these great ideas
and take them to LA or New York or Atlanta
(07:13):
because that's where they think it is. But it's here now.
So now it's time for us to make this place
a destination station so they can come and deposit some
of the years, right instead of just taking our shop
away from here.
Speaker 4 (07:27):
Yeah, how exciting can you imagine? Like the next n
wa for the next twenty years, or a group that
we either brought here or formed here in Dallas. Oh yeah,
it'd be so amazing.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
Oh yeah, I've been thinking about that for a few years.
Speaker 4 (07:38):
Yeah, you moved to LA Yeah, and then what happens now?
So you are are you a solo artist at this point?
You're still part of the group.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
Well, I was never really technically part of the group,
which is why I added the periods. They made me
kind of made me feel like even though I'm putting
all this work.
Speaker 4 (07:54):
In because you were writing a lot of the stuff too.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
Yeah, but when it's when it came time to take pictures,
and I always had to stand to this t Could
you just stand over your doctor?
Speaker 4 (08:03):
Yeah, well you take the picture.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
Yeah, you know, And it bothered me after a while. Yeah,
so I thought i'd get the better of those guys.
I'm gonna put periods in my two so everybody would
be like, oh, I get it, you know, And uh, do.
Speaker 4 (08:16):
You use the same font too? You should have used
the same font that nw A font.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
No. No, that was a great idea.
Speaker 4 (08:23):
When I got graphic designers on it for you. We'll
we'll produce your logo.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
I wasn't thinking about that back then. I just thought
the piers was enough. But by the time my records
started showing up, I was really starting to bubble in
the way they weren't. So I was kind of cool
with the slight distinction.
Speaker 4 (08:39):
You kind of brought in a unique style. And maybe
it's because you grew up here in this area.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
When I got to the West Coast, they were still
doing uh the Dream Team, Yeah, and it was still
a lot of that techno pop.
Speaker 4 (08:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
Yeah, but Cuba just there's a guy named Schooley D
who's really where that first time I heard that Cadence
was with it was him, and then and then Iced
Tea and then ice Cube did his interpretation of that
Cadence and easy made it the thing I mean, and
(09:16):
so LA had to find that is their thing. But
I but I brought, you know, wordplay to that.
Speaker 3 (09:22):
One thing I'm curious is, like you say, you you wrote,
you did a lot of the writing of the songs.
Now does the does the beat come first and then
the lyrics? So you or or do you know you
just kind of think of some thought and you're like, hey,
you know what I want to rap about that? I
want to write because you know, you come from the
time when there was still like the storytelling rat Yeah,
(09:43):
and uh, you know, you really don't see much of
that anymore. But so do you start with the beat
or do you start with the message?
Speaker 2 (09:49):
Well, I start both ways, all depending on who the
song is for and what the intent is. Well, but
he mentioned Dre being the gold you know, Dre is.
I always tell Dre that he's he's more of a
producer in the sense that he's making a film more
(10:10):
than a record, because you can visualize the art inside
his production. So it makes it easy to write the
story based on what he's he's done, you know, and
vice versa. You'll hear you and know what you're trying
to do and maxdat. You know, Drey really is probably
and I'm maybe a little biased, but it's probably the
(10:34):
best producer I've ever seen in my life.
Speaker 4 (10:37):
I agree with that. I as far as like the
storytelling aspect of his music.
Speaker 6 (10:42):
Right.
Speaker 4 (10:42):
I remember being, you know, maybe ten years old. I
wasn't not a listening to rap when I was a
little kid, so I had a walkman, I would ride
my bike and listen to rap and one of the
first albums I heard was was Eminem's the Marshall Mathers
EP or whatever. Wow, that was one of your first
that was one of my first.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
Yeah do you twenty one?
Speaker 4 (11:01):
Thank you so much, Thank you so much. No, no, no,
I'm in my mid thirty I say early thirties, but
now now it's late thirties. But I don't want to
get way to the age because you know, then they
may not hire me to be on TV anymore. We
were on Judge Steve Harvey a couple of weeks ago,
and yeah, I know you're kind of starstruck with us,
but I had a shameless plug there. But actually the
first song that actually got me in a rap was
(11:22):
Rosa Park's Outcast. That was the first song that I
was like, I like this, and then I just started
listening to But the first album, I should say that
made me feel something like truly made me feel what
you know Eminem was saying, even though there's a made
up stories some of the some of the time and whatever,
this is kind of an alter ego character or whatever,
it still made me feel something. I had no reason
to be angry. I had a great life, roof over
my head, I had parents, I had family. You know,
(11:45):
I had no reason to be angry, but that music
made me angry. I felt this, I felt Eminem's rage.
I'm like, yeah, i'm mad too. Why. I have no idea,
But that's because of Dre. I believe that's all because
of Dre.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
Well, some of it is because of Drey, but as.
Speaker 4 (11:58):
Well, Yeah, his lyrics and stuff like that too.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
He's a unique talent.
Speaker 4 (12:02):
Yeah, you know, he's one of the greatest of all time. Yeah,
without question.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
And he's such a cool guy. He's a real student
and a fan of this art, you know, and you
can't ask for anything more than that.
Speaker 3 (12:19):
You know, I'm a little older than Michael, but I
would have to say a lot model or whatever.
Speaker 4 (12:24):
Five years put that on the record, objection.
Speaker 3 (12:27):
Here'sa the first the first like rap album that layer
I listened to beginning to end because I mean, I'm
in the MTV era and now, like my growing up
is like we have one television. We were lucky to
have cable, but I had a sister that was seven
years older than me. So you get on MTV and
you know there there'd be some rap on there, but
it wasn't showcase like until probably the Chronic came out,
(12:51):
because you know, it was like cool, I get to
watch Debbie Gibson and Tiffany whatever. But first album and
like I actually did some research and I thought you
worked on it. But man, Snoop Dogg's Doggie Style great,
like start to finish, and you know, then I would
because I'm kind of in the boat with Michael. I
would have been eleven or twelve when Doggie Style came out.
(13:12):
So when I was like ten or eleven that you know,
that's when Dre hit it. And it was like, you
know they called a gangster rap. Yeah, so and I mean, yeah,
there's there's elements to it, and I mean a lot
of rap where any music genre is going to have,
you know, some sort of theme to it. And so like,
you know, it's immediately like we do. They would do
local news pieces on like, hey, this album's hitting, don't
(13:35):
listen to it or I think I think I think.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
When wait, that's exactly the way to get him this.
Speaker 3 (13:41):
It was like, hey, tune in tonight at ten o'clock
because your children might be listening to it. And I
think there was even one time in Dallas like it
was a big deal because Ice Tea was coming here
to do a show and he just had the song
cop Killer, and like there.
Speaker 4 (13:56):
This is before he was a cop.
Speaker 3 (13:59):
Yeah, which is so ironic every time, you know, I
catch SVU and I'm like, hilarious. But there's uh, they
I think they had his CDs and it was just
this big deal where they're like they're buying his CD.
Speaker 4 (14:13):
So they're making the money.
Speaker 3 (14:15):
It's like throw it in the middle of Main Street
and Dallas and have this big ordeal and I'm like,
you know what, that's that's that's great, that's entrepreneurialism.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
It's best.
Speaker 3 (14:27):
But that's uh, you know that that was probably the
first album where I like, I listened to start the
end and I'm like, man, this is uh, this is cool.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
You tell about Doggies record, Yeah, sonically probably Dre's best work. Yeah,
just his his ear was just so one point.
Speaker 3 (14:45):
There's there's sometimes where like I'll listen to something on
the Chronic and I'm like, yeah, this sounds great. But
then when you get the Doggie Saw, which is like
just what one year later, yeah, and it's like that
it sounds fuller, sounds like better produced but not overproduced.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
We were broke when we made the Chronic, we had
a little money by the time Dark Star, so everything
everything stepped up.
Speaker 4 (15:09):
He had some new equipment, new artists and.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
Guys that played the instruments. Everything stepped itself up.
Speaker 3 (15:19):
Yeah, it sounded like it was a there was a
little bit more than just an eight o eight going on.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
I think Dread relaxed, you know, because when we when
we made the Chronic, that was a really pivotal record
for us career.
Speaker 4 (15:32):
Why what was Easy?
Speaker 2 (15:34):
Like easy? Uh? Easy was an interesting human being. Uh.
He had an hit factor that made him really attractive,
you know, and these charming as you know, and and
dangerous and one thousand percent real, you know, like he
(15:58):
was the guy was built like a solid brick wall.
And even though he was you know, five foot nothing,
really someone you did not want to screw around with,
you know.
Speaker 4 (16:13):
I feel like he was one of those guys too
that you had to kind of be careful, Like he
could kind of fly out the handle if he didn't
like you or like something you're saying. He was a
quiet guy, he was okay.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
You know, if he didn't if he had a problem,
you wouldn't know it until it was too late.
Speaker 4 (16:26):
Yeah, he just shut down, or it shut you down right. Yeah,
we're gonna take a break, but we got more to
talk about. You got a new project you're you're gonna
be promoting as well. I'm super excited to have you here.
We'll be right back with more from the doc.
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Speaker 4 (18:53):
So it's nineteen eighty nine. Now your new album, yes,
debut album, right, Yes, debut record comes out. You're riding
Heights number one for two weeks and you're just like
life's a highway as that country. People say what they say,
but you're riding hot. And then not too long after that,
(19:17):
you're in a car accident. How did you take that
at the time, Like, I mean, I can only imagine
being how old you at this point, eighteen twenty one,
So you're twenty one, you get your whole life in
front of you. You're doing so great, You're with some
of the biggest artists in the world, you're helping them,
you're growing with them. Everyone like you guys are going
up as a team. And then the one thing that
(19:38):
you need to be a rapper, your speaking voice, is gone.
What are you thinking about during that time?
Speaker 2 (19:48):
Probably just all kinds of stuff, man, you know, death, yeah,
and drugs and plenty of alcohol.
Speaker 3 (20:00):
You know.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
But even in that sort of moment, I was able
to pivot because I still wanted to be great, you know.
I still had that desire to show people that I
was really good at this, and so I was just
able to use their voices to sort of get off,
(20:22):
you know. I thought that would work, you know, and
it did kind of for a minute. Then it just stopped.
And in fact that in those days, I used to
put my name in all the Dre's raps, and because
that was the only way I could give people to.
Speaker 4 (20:38):
Say my name, Hey, I'm still here.
Speaker 2 (20:41):
And then he got tired of it. You know, bro,
why you keep putting your name in my But that
was my only way to get it in. But even that,
after a while, I just just didn't work. And I think, uh,
you know, Jill d blessed me with Snoop Dogg because
everything that I wanted to give he was so willing
(21:01):
to take. And even to this day, he never ceases
to amaze me how great of a human being he
is because he always gives that back.
Speaker 4 (21:15):
You know, That's one thing I've kind of noticed. I
don't know Snoop, I've never met him, but from his
persona that I see as from the public view, he
seems to be a guy that he is who he is.
Oh yeah, he takes I remember watching that reality show
he had a few years ago where you know his
house and you see his kids and everything, and it's
like he almost did never forget where he came from,
never come in.
Speaker 2 (21:36):
That's some some people, that's just who they are.
Speaker 4 (21:38):
Yeah, Like, you're one of the biggest rappers in the world,
and you still you still go to Rosco's Chicken and Waffles. Yeah,
you're still keeping up with all the people you came
up with. You know, you're helping them out when they
need help. He just seems like a really great guy.
Speaker 2 (21:50):
Chubb D's one of those guys. Iced Tease one of
those guys. Ice Cubes one of those guys. Yeah Snoop
Dogg is one of those guys. These are the guys
I've known for, you know, thirty five years or so,
and they're they're exactly the same guy.
Speaker 4 (22:07):
Yeah, and.
Speaker 2 (22:10):
Iced Tea as big a star as he became on
TVN and music, he still talks to me like I'm
that young dude that's still the coldest right in the game.
He still comes at me like that. Yeah, And it's
really just cool to be able to stand contact with
these men.
Speaker 4 (22:28):
It's family. It really is kind of like family, no question. Now,
I heard that. For years, I thought that the injury
to your voice was caused by the accent, but then
I heard it could have been the hospital.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
Yeah, it was the doctors. They they intubated me and
sort of evolved that vocal fold on the right side,
And if I would have left it alone, it probably
would have build itself in about a year, maybe a
year and a half. I found this out much later.
(23:00):
That happens. What happened to me happens to a lot
of people. But I was in such a hurry to
get this thing healed that I went back in at
scar tissue removed. And whoever that doctor was screwed me.
Speaker 4 (23:16):
Is it too late to go back? After that doctor?
I got to judge Steve Harvey's number there, I get to.
Speaker 2 (23:23):
Trust.
Speaker 4 (23:25):
Do you, looking back, though, do you ever feel like
the accident, what's sort of a blessing in disguise, is.
Speaker 2 (23:30):
Absolutely what it was. I look back on those days
with no without a hint of any anger or resentment
towards anybody or anything, anybody, the guys that most people
would look at as enemies or anti heroes of the story.
(23:52):
I sub knight. I'm thankful for those guys.
Speaker 3 (23:55):
Now.
Speaker 2 (23:56):
I needed those guys to be right here talking to
you today. If any one of those guys does one
thing differently, and I don't get to be right here.
Speaker 3 (24:04):
Right because you're you're twenty one years old, I mean
you you basically you know risk life and death.
Speaker 4 (24:11):
Oh yeah, and.
Speaker 3 (24:13):
Whether whether it's in a car accident or in you know,
the jungles of Vietnam, that's gonna shape your profile from
that from that day on. Yeah, of course, and you
can either let it beat you up, or you know,
you're just growing adapt.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
And it was tough, man. You know, I ingested a
lie of trying to cover it up because being high
was the only way I could be DC again.
Speaker 4 (24:36):
Right.
Speaker 2 (24:36):
You know, when you're high, your dark, everybody loves you're fun,
You're funny, you're the guy. When you're not, you're just mad,
you're angry, you're bitter.
Speaker 4 (24:46):
You know, at some point you have to forget who's
the real who's the real guy?
Speaker 2 (24:50):
You know what I mean? And so coming all these
years later, it took all of this time for me
to find out that I'm still just that same kid
from West Dallas.
Speaker 4 (24:59):
Yeah, you know, just a good guy.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
You know, I feel good when everybody wins, and I'm
down to work towards that.
Speaker 4 (25:07):
Yeah. What I think is so cool about it the
fact that you are a writer and not just a rapper.
You never truly like lost your voice, Like you said,
you kind of continue to speak through other people. You
lost your speaking ability, but not your voice.
Speaker 2 (25:20):
Well I lost the power behind that gift. Yeah, but
I was always able to speak. In fact, I don't
want to give any of the documentary away because it's
such a really cool story.
Speaker 4 (25:33):
I can't wait.
Speaker 2 (25:34):
But you know, there's meaning and purpose in this sound, Yeah,
to know why to figure that out?
Speaker 4 (25:40):
You know, they say when somebody loses a sense their eyesight, hearing,
the other senses become stronger. You feel like your writing
ability became stronger after the accident.
Speaker 2 (25:50):
No, No, I was pretty good all the way through.
You know, my ability to be sort of an asshole
increased bazillionfold, right, you know, and you'll find that out
in the documentary too. I bear it all, you know,
(26:11):
because this healing is not just for me, it's for everybody.
Speaker 4 (26:15):
Let's talk about the documentary, which comes out when this summer, right.
Speaker 2 (26:18):
Well, it premieres that Tribeca. Oh it does, yeah, on
June the tenth, which is my birthday. Happy early birthday,
Yeah very fred cool, we're.
Speaker 4 (26:28):
Just one day off.
Speaker 3 (26:28):
My birthday is on the eleventh.
Speaker 4 (26:30):
Really yeah, well, you know we should do we should
all go to Tribeca and watch this documentary for y'all's birthday.
Speaker 2 (26:36):
Yeah. It's going to be off the freaking chain, because,
like I said, I may be the vehicle, but this
documentary is not about me. It's about us. Yeah, and
the US may be black people, the US may be
hip hop, or the US may be here in Dallas
for work, but it's about us and it's our time
(26:56):
now you know it's coming through me. But this, this,
this victory is for everybody.
Speaker 4 (27:01):
I cannot wait. So it goes to try back and
then it is on demand. After that, you know, we
don't work better than you get it sold, okay, and
then after that you get your.
Speaker 2 (27:11):
Yeah, and then where it goes is where it goes.
And people have already started to call good.
Speaker 4 (27:19):
I don't know if we want Netflix, though it doesn't
seem they're doing too well.
Speaker 2 (27:22):
Now I'm telling you people that it will.
Speaker 4 (27:27):
Quibby. If Quibby calls, hang up the phone.
Speaker 2 (27:29):
Maybe there's maybe the one.
Speaker 4 (27:30):
Yeah, yeah, exactly. There you go. This might bring you
back from the dead, but you're gonna have to put
up the money for Oh.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
My god, you know what I mean. It's so look,
I haven't like I've been in this business for thirty
five years. Yeah, I've never made a million bucks in
this business before, you know what I mean. But I
think I'm pretty close, you know, And so that in
itself is enough to be super excited about that the
fact that I get to come home and the aspirations
(27:58):
that I have for this city are these visions are
God's size, and I can only tell you that five
years from now, you won't recognize this city from today
because of the musical imprint that's going to be.
Speaker 4 (28:14):
Yeah, I do want to touch on that because I
love the local rappers we have here. I've befront of
them over the years. B hamp Durou I don't know
too well, but fat Pimp all these guys are great,
wonderfully talented guys. You know, we Dallas had a spark
for a little bit during the dance Rap Crazy, and
(28:35):
it made me so proud that these guys are getting
the national attention they deserve, because when you think of
Texas rappers, you automatately go to Houston, Mike Jones, you
got the Paul Walls and all that stuff. Yeah, but
now there was at this point in time two thousand
and what was that two thousand and nine, twenty ten,
it switched and now when you thought Texas rappers, you
thought about these guys. You thought about the stinky leg
(28:55):
that came out of that, you know, or the Ricky
Bobby or whatever. And it may be really proud to
be around and and and witness all of that, and
then it feels like it died down again. But then
you're starting to see this momentum building and I feel
like what you're saying in five years it's gonna explode.
Speaker 2 (29:10):
Yeah, they got the lesson that they haven't quite learned
yet is this business is a business and there's a
commercial value to it. And if you can tap into that,
you can still be your hood guy, your you know,
street guy. But there are there are ways to go
(29:31):
about it so that you could build your audience and
in a way that it could really benefit you instead
of you know, doing your best to get yourself locked
up just just so you could say you did some right.
Speaker 4 (29:45):
You have a story to tell.
Speaker 2 (29:46):
Yeah, man, it's it's it's unfortunate that these guys like
it used to be where life imitated art, you know,
now it's just art imitating life, and even that life
is an imitation.
Speaker 4 (30:03):
Do you still write every day? You like Jerry Seinfeld,
who has to get up and write, you know, a
line every single day? No, you don't do that.
Speaker 2 (30:10):
I still got it. But something it was it's always
a spiritual thing with me something to move you. And
I think the last time I was really serious about
trying to write something. What was the word that they
used to describe what we were going through when everybody
(30:33):
had to mask up? It was two words.
Speaker 4 (30:35):
I forget what martial law, type of situation, social distance.
Speaker 2 (30:38):
So that's it. And so I wrote a record where
that was uh, and it was actually pretty good, you know.
I sent it to Snoop and everybody laugh. But I
was trying to show how ridiculous sort of it was
in the moment. Yeah, something to inspire me.
Speaker 4 (30:58):
Yeah, but I'm feeling it.
Speaker 2 (31:00):
I'm really feeling good, yeah, musically now because this documentary
is going to open those doors for me again. There
are people that really want to hear me do some stuff,
you know, but but I think I'm more interested in
finding great things and producing them.
Speaker 4 (31:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (31:18):
Sure, I'd like to do some things myself just to
satisfy you know, those old sort of itches and in
people that may be fans of that old stuff. But
you know, I'm into what what tomorrow is going to bring.
Speaker 4 (31:31):
Yeah. First off, let me just say this, you still
got it because I saw you perform six years ago
something like that bomb Factory it was, uh it was
not that long ago. Yeah, it was a while back.
That's where I'm sick with it. The producer, he's dope.
He's such a great guy. He's a good gi I
don't remember it being super packed because I think it
was just kind of a bomb Factory was just kind
(31:51):
of just new and it was kind of a like
a Thursday night. But I just remember sitting in the
audience thinking of myself, this is incredible because all Dallas artists,
Erica shows up, Yeah you were there, Uh well Scarface Houston, right, yeah,
but still it was like it represented Texas and you
came out, you did a few songs, and I thought,
this guy still got it. I'm like, you're there, like
(32:13):
im it. Yeah, And I'm just so excited to see
what you do next because I just your story is
just incredible. Here's one thing sick with it. We had
him on a couple weeks ago. He pointed this out.
So at that concert, I bought two shirts. I bought
a doc shirt. It was like the straight out of
Compton parody logo. I bought that, and I also bought
this one. This is another parody. This is a bangers.
It says Texas Rangers logo. But it's a says bangers
(32:35):
I bought at your concert. My favorite shirt was the
doc shirt I called out my lucky shirt. I love it.
For the life of me, I couldn't find it today,
Otherwise I would have wore it. But I also was
in an accident.
Speaker 3 (32:45):
Oh dude, I was wondering. I was wondering if he
was going to bring it up?
Speaker 4 (32:50):
Well, how could I not?
Speaker 3 (32:51):
Like we had nine minutes left, howick, we're not going
to mention the flag? How can I go to make
it through a show nine minutes? How could I not?
Speaker 4 (32:58):
Though? Let me tell you why it was so awesome.
Speaker 2 (33:00):
Guys, by the way.
Speaker 4 (33:02):
I love that. I call it. Call it nine minutes
and seventeen seconds. If sick it didn't make this connection,
I wouldn't have even brought this up. But I have to.
So Labor Day twenty eighteen, take you back. I'm on
a scooter and deep out one of the electric scooters, and.
Speaker 2 (33:18):
One of the guys you stand up.
Speaker 4 (33:20):
Yeah, yeah, OK. I never done it that on my life.
It was definitely thank you, thank you. This is why
this is why you have to watch Judge Steve Harvey.
It's a little bit more complicated for episode eight uh,
season one on Hulu now available. But I remember exactly
what I was wearing that day. I was wearing my
Doc shirt. Oh wow, and uh sick with it said, well,
(33:42):
you know, Doc was also in an accent. And I
never made that connection ever because for me, even though
mine was not sei, I shattered my leg. I was
out for like six Oh.
Speaker 3 (33:50):
You would think you would think it was the word like, yeah,
I mean I milk it, I milk it.
Speaker 4 (33:54):
But for me, though, in all seriousness, it was a
like a reboot moment for me, when you're ling on
your back and you can't get up to even go
pee for three months, Yeah, it starts to change things
and you start to realize, you start to prioritize things
a little bit differently. So there's a couple of people
that I thought of when I was in there. Again,
I know there's people way worse than I have been
and with that accident, but I thought of Tracy Morgan,
(34:16):
who was in a terrible accident with that Walmart truck
and his back doing what he loves and it almost
even though it was a terrible experience, he's kind of
grateful for it. Now who have made him? And then
I thought about you not realizing the whole doc shirt
that I thought that was sickly that brought that up.
But I thought about you and what was going through
your mind at you know, twenty something years old, and
you had you were right on the cusp. Who knows
(34:38):
what could have happened, But something even better happened for you,
you know what I mean. It's like, you think this
is where you're supposed to go, but then life kind
of throws you a curveball. I say, life, but who
knows what it is? Right? And then all of a
sudden you're over here and you're like then you start
to connect the dots. You're like, oh wait a minute,
but if I did do this, I wouldn't have done this.
And then you start tracing it all back and then
you become a lot more grateful. So even though for
(34:59):
me that was the most I never broke it ap
bone in my life, and the shatter two bones in
like eighteen place or sixteen places was a pretty.
Speaker 3 (35:06):
Devastating they't even know, he doesn't even know anym There
was no final count, isn't he doesn't even know anymore?
Speaker 4 (35:10):
Like that, it was right, but it was a moment
for me that was a reboot moment for me, a
reset bro.
Speaker 2 (35:16):
I dear you know, it's uh, it sucks, but in
those in those moments for us as individuals, are opportunities
for growth, absolutely that you would never get otherwise.
Speaker 4 (35:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (35:33):
So what you think is this that could ever happen
to you? Yeah, is in fact probably one of the
biggest blessings you could ever get.
Speaker 4 (35:41):
Absolutely. I mean, hey, we got to work with Steve
Harvey three years later. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (35:47):
Sometimes it takes a minute for it to play itself.
Speaker 4 (35:50):
Out, but it always does.
Speaker 2 (35:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (35:51):
But I thought about like you guys and other people
have been worse situations and how you're able to come
back from that. It makes me appreciate you more because
you know what I mean, even though I just sampled
a tiny bit of it, it just makes me, uh
want to be more like that and more resilient more.
I don't know, I don't know how to even articulate that,
but your story helped me with what I was going through,
if that makes sense.
Speaker 2 (36:12):
In the way we think about things in today's society,
the DC is the Department of Corrections. That's how we
see it as a society. And so if you really
think back, if you really sit back and think about it,
(36:32):
where I am right now with this rebirth. This is
the third one, so this would be the resurrection, right, Yeah,
the Department of Correction, right, this is this is this film,
this moment in time. This purpose is to cause correct
what I made, what me and these guys basically started. Yeah,
(36:54):
you know, now somebody needs to show up and say, Okay,
maybe we needed to do it this way, or or
change something about the dynamic and in which we process
and give this information out or or something. And it's
already going on on the web, but a lot of
the older guys are beginning to show up on their
(37:17):
pages and and give give information that that these younger
guys really need to hear. And so that's that's that's
a part of it. If you step back and look
at it from ah from the bird's eye of view,
you can see the movement already happening. Which is why
I'm I'm the guy, you know, and I take my position.
I'm thankful and I'm grateful for it, and I'm a
(37:39):
home of nuts, you know, and say what I feel
and see if I can get these younger guys in
Dallas to understand their power. Because if you want real change,
the real change happens in the mud. It just so
happens that all the guys in the Mud are kind
of throwed off right now. They don't know who they are,
(38:01):
They don't know where their power comes from. They just
know they got it right, you know. And so if
you can, I say to people all the time, those
guys are warriors. Those guys are soldiers. They just don't
have a war, so they war with each other. So
you need to give them their war, I mean, and
direct that energy and.
Speaker 4 (38:21):
You can change you guys. Didn't That's what I think
you guys did. What did you think of the movie?
Straight out of content?
Speaker 2 (38:29):
I loved it. You know, it wasn't my story, it
was theirs.
Speaker 4 (38:33):
You're in your character, Yeah, it was there. Would you
give any advice or talk to him before he No?
Speaker 2 (38:39):
No, I uh, I just let those guys run with it.
And it was a great movie, you know. But this
documentary is nothing like that.
Speaker 4 (38:48):
This is the real story.
Speaker 2 (38:50):
It's a real story.
Speaker 4 (38:51):
Yeah right.
Speaker 2 (38:52):
What I'm most proud of is that you see these
people doctor Dre and Snoop and Cube and and they
don't look like stars. They don't come off as you know,
Dreda didn't come off as a billionaire moge. He just
comes off as my brother, you know. And that's one
thing that I'm really proud of that you get to
see my brother like like that in in a in
(39:14):
a in a way that you don't normally see him.
And you see Eminem is just a fan of music
man or you see Erica as this she yeah, she's
the you know, Neil sol queen, but in this documentary
she's just a really beautiful woman that cares a lot
about a guy that a baby, you know, and and
(39:35):
they're great co parents and they love one another and
they're you know. So there's a lot of really cool
stuff about this documentary that humanizes us in a way
that you get to see us as more than just
people on a record cover or people on a video.
You know, him go.
Speaker 4 (39:53):
Through right like YO got there in the first place.
Uh do you have a song on G I don't know,
on near like a new the contract or whatever.
Speaker 2 (40:03):
I don't mean it.
Speaker 4 (40:04):
Oh, I thought somebody was talking about Grand Theft Auto.
I thought, yeah, yeah, there's a dre It's dre. But
I think they released some music and did you help
write any of that or were you on the track
or anything.
Speaker 2 (40:14):
No. In fact, when people heard that song, it's uh,
it's how the documentary ends. I forget the name of
the song. Him and eminem or on this record, Andre's
doing this really weird voice for the hood, and people
just thought it was me.
Speaker 4 (40:31):
That's what I saw that because I saw an article
that popped up and it was like, d O C
is you know on a track and GTA or whatever,
and I remember hearing it. I'm like, that doesn't really
sound like him, and.
Speaker 2 (40:39):
I don't want to take it away from them.
Speaker 4 (40:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (40:41):
Yeah, that's how they feel and it makes them happy.
Speaker 4 (40:43):
Go for it right.
Speaker 2 (40:45):
In fact, I went and told Dre he just put
my voice on it.
Speaker 4 (40:48):
Yeah, he went, shut up too late. We can put
up that following pro tools.
Speaker 2 (40:53):
Yeah, man, now give me.
Speaker 4 (40:56):
You were talking about some really talented rappers in Dallas,
and you happen to be in the presence of one.
I've got a song here. It's about ten years old now,
but I just want to play you a sample of it. Yeah. No,
these guys are big supporters. Yeah, it's gonna be ten
years old. This year. I'm just gonna play a sample.
I just want to get your critique ause you know
you're a pioneer of modern rap, you know what I mean.
(41:16):
So because he's gonna I think, I think, I think
you're gonna be blown away. How talented I I just
I'm just gonna play now the song this is. I
made this back during the Dallas dance craze, right. I
wanted a song that people that I was raised Baptists
didn't dance, right, So it's just a dance we just
move your arms back and forth called the walk like
(41:37):
Gumby is what it's called. And uh yeah and gumby
also like it was a I made the beat. We
have to do it again. That's me. That's all me.
I did everything.
Speaker 5 (41:49):
Yeah, ghost like wow Wow, I'm gonna fast forward to
the to the verse.
Speaker 4 (41:59):
You can hear my lit my lyrical genius flow.
Speaker 5 (42:03):
Leg dust get so want some do move soan.
Speaker 2 (42:12):
Snuggy wow.
Speaker 4 (42:14):
You know I mean, I just like, there's so much
talent that's coming after out of me that I had
to put it on a record somewhere. Actually, honestly, you
know what, though I do comedy rap obviously from time
to time when I when I have the time, I'm
not that talented, but that song, like that whole thing, uh,
the style, the you know, I try to rap a
little bit like eminem that kind of thing. None of
that would have happened. I would never have done rap
(42:34):
like that had it not been for you guys. So
so basically what I'm saying is you're responsible for watching Yeah,
what'd you think?
Speaker 5 (42:44):
Just?
Speaker 2 (42:44):
Uh, you know, it was really cool. I mean I
wanted as Snuggie.
Speaker 4 (42:48):
Yeah, we have block like Gunny Snuggies coming out. I
think we're gonna do it at some point. I got
to talk with Sick with it because I think he's
gonna reproduce. We're gonna do a remix, a ten year
anniversary remix, I think on it. But we'll see. He
is the guy I like. There's something about his sound
that's so unique.
Speaker 2 (43:04):
There's a lot of really talented I mean, bro, there's
so much talent in this city, and I don't want
to I don't want to exclude fort Worth because I
really have.
Speaker 4 (43:15):
A problem will I live there. I only have a.
Speaker 2 (43:21):
Problem with with the way that that plays itself out
like that. There is no separation from me it's it's
just DFW, you know. And I plan to make it
a point going forward every time I do anything pressworthy,
to make sure that people know that man, because that
(43:42):
was fort Worth is a hell of it. It's a
huge machine that is super powerful. It's just not working
because it's not plugged up right.
Speaker 4 (43:53):
You've got to dust it off, plug it back are.
Speaker 2 (43:55):
Yeah, I mean, it's so stupid. And I went and
I talked to this guy, this billionaire from four and
I was asking him for some money for a school
that I'm building.
Speaker 4 (44:05):
How cool you're getting.
Speaker 2 (44:06):
You're building a school and I'm trying to build a
school inside Fair Park.
Speaker 4 (44:10):
Oh that's gonna be awesome.
Speaker 2 (44:11):
Based around all arts, entertainment and technology, filmmaking and television
music production.
Speaker 4 (44:19):
Wow.
Speaker 6 (44:21):
You know.
Speaker 2 (44:21):
I'm trying to make Dallas a destination space. I need
an a room inside Fair Park, inside the Woman's Museum
is where I want to put this space. I need
an eight room that's so cold that I can get
Dread to come spend a week here just because it's
such a great room, you know. I mean, I need
(44:41):
Snoop and Pharrell and these people that want to come
here and spend time here. Because of that room, and
so that's where my heart is. So I went and
asked this guy for someone that's gonna take me about
fifteen million so I can get this thing up and
move it. And they said, man, I'd love to help
you out, but generally Forward doesn't give money past thirty
(45:03):
five East and vice versa. And I was like, how
stupid is that? Like it says it goes all the
way back to the name in Carter days, and you know,
the sister cities have always had this sort of big
brother little brother kind of thing going on. I'm and
I told him his name is uh Churchill with Churchill,
(45:24):
And I said, We're gonna work on that together, bro,
because that's just dumb.
Speaker 4 (45:28):
You think he made all those billions in one city,
Like you have to cross lines, you know, to start
making billions of dollars, you know what I mean. You gotta,
you gotta, you can't just let boundaries.
Speaker 2 (45:36):
Uh. I know, Dallas, Dallas Fort Worth as a whole
is one of the biggest, most powerful, most beautiful cities
that they have in this country.
Speaker 4 (45:47):
Absolutely, and there's no.
Speaker 2 (45:48):
Reason why we shouldn't all be grabbing our nuts and
acting like it.
Speaker 4 (45:52):
Absolutely I'm so with you on that, and I'm so
glad to hear you say that. For over the years,
I've you know, I've had the opportunity to move to
LA and do some other stuff, and I'm like, no,
I'm gonna stay here. I'm gonna make do what I
can to help Dallas be great.
Speaker 2 (46:01):
Yeah, man, it's coming, bro, It's so right here. When
the Yellow Beasy things started happening, you started to see.
Speaker 4 (46:10):
He's on hip Hop World Star hip Hop every day.
Speaker 2 (46:13):
Trying to drive that the commercial aspect to what's happening
in the in the street music here. You know, It's
it's just it's so much, so many possibilities. Have to
get these guys to understand that you have to put
those guns down. Nobody's going to give you money if
they think they're gonna get shot in the ass, you know,
(46:33):
leaving the place. You know what I mean, you got
to leave the bullets behind. And if you want the
money now, if you want the in your life, because
some people want that, then I'm not here to talk
you down off your mountain. Do what you gotta do.
Because they got places from people that that's what they want.
It's called prison in the graveyard. That's where they send you.
(46:56):
But if you want a lot of money, you want
to get to be in the old black Man, and
I have a lot.
Speaker 4 (47:01):
Of money, right, I think that's so incredible. I'm gonna
have you signed this. I got this uh made, so
you can sign this and we can put it on
the wall. Dope, Eric, would you pass that over to
and you can sign that. See, and then I'm gonna
uh again, I mentioned a couple of times that I
was on we were on Judge Steve Harvey. So I'm
gonna sign one for you, or We're gonna do an
(47:22):
autograph swap. I'm doing a sign limited edition uh Michael's
Avola five by seven for you as well. You should
still honored. Yeah, oh this market doesn't work a sign.
I'll sign it after the show to you. You can
just you can just sign it. Yeah, I'm gonna put
on the hallway so everyone knows, uh that you were here.
(47:43):
I know you guys still get together, like you know,
Snoop and Dre and stuff every now and then. I
see you guys on Instagram and stuff, and uh, next
time you need someone to carry you luggage. I'd love
to be a fly and no he can't no, his
with his leg he can't do no. Well, I mean
it makes it strong, right, he can't it it makes
me strong. But no, Like you know, I've always said this,
(48:03):
and I know this is not I'm not the first
one to say this, but I've never smoked weed in
my life.
Speaker 2 (48:08):
Oh wow?
Speaker 4 (48:08):
And uh do you have that marker? And uh? I
always said if I was gonna do it, the one
and only time would be with Snoop Dogg. So next
times in town, hit me up, I'll come over and
then you guys can videotape me for TikTok as I
pass out. Yeah, but we'll get some markers. We'll mark
on them. That's right. Yeah, but a little mustach. But
(48:29):
where can people find out more about what you're doing,
your projects? Uh, your school? Like how can they reach you?
Speaker 2 (48:35):
Well, that's a pretty good question. And you know what,
everything happens in my in my life right now, everything
happens organically.
Speaker 4 (48:47):
Yeah, I mean, And so.
Speaker 2 (48:49):
If it's in you, if you were within the sound
of this voice, and if it's in you to want
to be with me and help this city go to
the next level, because everything New York, everything in La
has everything, places like Nashville and Atlanta and MINEI have
you have. Yeah, you just haven't connected the dots and
(49:10):
made it what it can be. Right, And if you're
ready to take that leap, then find me.
Speaker 4 (49:14):
Yeah, that's the first part of the journey, right, and
I'm minding you.
Speaker 2 (49:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (49:18):
Well, I can't speak for everyone in this room but
the studio. However, I can help whatever I can do personally,
I would. I mean, I'm on the same mission that
you wore in a way, I think you're more invested,
have more a pool than I do. But any way
I can help.
Speaker 2 (49:31):
Thanks.
Speaker 4 (49:32):
I'm always here for you, so thank you so much.
The doc has been an honor. Eric, would you give
this to him real quick?
Speaker 3 (49:37):
I just want to make sure I know one question
because it sounds like we're about to get out of here. Yeah,
who you got tonight, Mavericks?
Speaker 4 (49:43):
All right?
Speaker 2 (49:44):
I mean, now that's a generic answer.
Speaker 3 (49:48):
You know, I'm not trying to like put you on
the spot, but I mean that's funny.
Speaker 4 (49:51):
Yeah, you can scand that little QR code and it
goes right over to uh Hulu and opens the episode
so you can see Eric and I battle it out
over my scooter accident. That's you would we kind of
have a bond because I was wearing your shirt absolutely
to Doc incredible, So that is amazing.
Speaker 2 (50:06):
Who the people behind you and this.
Speaker 4 (50:08):
Big they're the jury. I don't know. They were like,
wait a minute, this is a real court.
Speaker 3 (50:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (50:12):
Yeah, we don't have to have a funny if you
go out into the hallway when you leave, there's a
we have a poster that we had made like it
looks like a movie poster and it's got Steve, Eric
and me up there, and uh, we make a we
try to make as light of it as possible. So
very cool. It's a cool thing. So anyway, thank you
so much for coming out. And you said you have
the MAVs.
Speaker 2 (50:29):
Yeah, but you know the NBA. It's a tough call,
right you. Uh is Chris Paul going to show up?
Speaker 4 (50:35):
Is he gonna blow another two lead?
Speaker 2 (50:41):
Is Luca gonna get the help you need? True? Like
those guys are, It's gonna be an interesting game.
Speaker 4 (50:47):
You know.
Speaker 2 (50:48):
I'm rooting for us because I do love Luca to death.
I think the guys just insanely talented and super ballsy.
Speaker 4 (50:58):
Yeah yeah, love good deal, good deal. Well, thank you
so much. Again, I can't even explain to you how
much you just showing by and talk with us for
an hour as uh, how excited I am about that.
Thank you so much for it.
Speaker 2 (51:10):
Was just mine. Guys, I really appreciate you.
Speaker 6 (51:13):
Know.
Speaker 2 (51:14):
They hope getting the word out.
Speaker 4 (51:15):
Yeah, I'm excited about your documentary coming out soon.
Speaker 2 (51:18):
Big deal.
Speaker 4 (51:19):
Thank you so much.
Speaker 1 (51:21):
This is mz now Online at mznow dot tv. Like
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You're abound to enter the world of Michael Zavalla.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Now your change to turn back gave Michael don't do
red Well.
Speaker 3 (00:12):
Uh, I'm just in Dame.
Speaker 4 (00:19):
That's what you think about.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
This is m Z.
Speaker 4 (00:22):
Now you guys are in the presence of greatness because
(00:50):
the d o C is here. Uh, it's been a
long time. I've always wanted to meet him. Is a
wrap royalty. I guess I would say thank you. So
coming out, He's like, I am yeah, Uh, you grew
up in oak Cliff area, right.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
I was born and raised in uh well, West Dallas
and then oak Cliff, you know, so to both of
those spaces.
Speaker 4 (01:15):
Yeah. Yeah, Air grew up in Oakcliffe. So he's probably
Davis and Tyler.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
Yeah yeah yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:24):
I was just saying before we started, it's rare that
everyone in the studio is from Dallas for once.
Speaker 4 (01:29):
Yeah. Yeah. Usually we had somebody hitting here a couple
of weeks ago that was from Sweden.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
Wo.
Speaker 4 (01:34):
Yeah. So now someone told me this years ago, and
I didn't know if this is true or not.
Speaker 5 (01:40):
D o C.
Speaker 4 (01:40):
Does it stand for Dallas o'cliffe whatever you wanted it
to be?
Speaker 2 (01:45):
Yeah, you know, drug a choice?
Speaker 4 (01:47):
Yeah, nice. Somebody told me that. I'm like, I don't
know if that's true or not. I'll ask him, So
there you go.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
Yeah, I mean it. It came about when when I
first went up there to the start doing music with
those guys out there bad their name was an acronym,
and so I just made mine an acronym, sort of
just to sort of connected.
Speaker 4 (02:10):
To Okay, that makes sense. Yeah, thank you so much
for coming out. It's uh, it's an honor to have
you here. Do you remember what age you were whenever
you decided that you wanted to start rapping or just
getting the music in general?
Speaker 2 (02:22):
Yeah, sixth sixth grade, sixth grade, I don't know if
that's about ten, maybe eleven, Yeah, somewhere around there. And
they were I was horrible at school by that time.
First three years of school, I was pretty damn good. Yeah,
you know, after the third grade must have got hard.
Speaker 4 (02:42):
Oh I'm sorry, God, Yeah, you're fine.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
Yeah, And I wasn't that good anymore. So by the
time the sixth grade came around, I was not doing
well in class. First last a couple of weeks of school,
they they're throwing a talent show. Does anybody think they
got a special talent. It gets you out of class
for two weeks. I developed a special talent.
Speaker 4 (03:07):
Who was it that you listened to in those days
that you were like, I kind of want to do that.
Was there an artist that really inspired you.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
Well, there's a lot of them. The early the early
days of hip hop for me was a sort of
late junior high school going into high school. You know,
Apatchy and the Message and and all of those records
starts showing up and I thought I could do that,
(03:34):
but it was it was when run DMC showed up
and the movie Crush Groove came out. I think that's
when it really kind of hit me, like I want
to do that, and I could do that.
Speaker 4 (03:46):
See for me, like writing is incredibly difficult. It's hard
for me to I have altered thoughts in my head,
but it's hard to put them on paper. For you,
does that come naturally? Did you developed that an early age?
Speaker 2 (03:55):
Yeah, it's a gift.
Speaker 4 (03:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
I mean I was, like I said, I was pretty
bad at school. So by the time I got to
high school, I developed a really ingenious way to skip
school and my parent not know. So while I was
skipping school, I made sure I learned a word every day. Right,
So then when I got home, I could throw that
(04:17):
word on my old man and he'd be like, wow, man,
my kid's really studious, you know, not knowing that I
read that at the burger king up the streets.
Speaker 4 (04:26):
Yeah. But what a great plan though. That's and it
really helped you in the long run. Yeah, It's kind
of what Eminem I heard did when he was going
through like the thesaurus and dictionary, try to find words
that nobody else was using. Yeah, they kind of which
kind of puts you ahead of everybody else.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
Right, that's right.
Speaker 4 (04:40):
You were part of a rap trio, right.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
I was part of a group called the Feeling Fresh.
Speaker 4 (04:44):
Crew here in Dallas.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
Yeah. Here in Dallas, Chrisenboudy this guy named Doctor Rock
who was a really big radio personality here in the
mid to late eighties, and he had connections with those
guys in Los Angeles, and uh invited those guys down
to Dallas and I had a chance to meet them,
(05:05):
enjoy and I really kind of connected. The group was
calling wa I.
Speaker 4 (05:09):
Thing ez Yeah, I think I've heard of it. Yeah,
a little underground group and h me and that guy
really hit it off.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
Yeah, you know, and he was like, wow, bro, if
you were in the LA, we'd be rich. And I
was like, I ain't going to you know, LA. About
six months later, my mother tried to send me to the.
Speaker 4 (05:26):
Army LA didn't too too bad.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
Out of that sudden LA got really interesting.
Speaker 4 (05:32):
Yeah, yeah, that's so awesome. And then because I'm curious
about like how the music scene in Dallas was at
the time, like the music area, because when I was
a teenager, it was Deep Allum. Now there's really not
a music area anymore here. I mean, I guess there's
still places in Deep Bellum that have live music and stuff,
But was Deep bell them even a thing back in
like the just starting to pop.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
Bubble and we did. I did a couple of feet
the Fresh Cruise shows there.
Speaker 4 (05:56):
Yeah, but I'm talking.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
I'm a sixteen year old, seventeen year old kid. I
don't know anything about a scene, right, I don't have
any money, so other than just going up through the rap,
I wouldn't ordinarily even be there.
Speaker 4 (06:08):
Yeah, you know, I mean, but.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
Dallas as a destination place, I guess, for lack of
a better way of putting it for artists and building
and blowing up that time hadn't showed up in Dallas,
But it's actually here right now, like now hard time,
Like Houston at their time, in LA at their time
in Atlanta and New Orleans and so on and so forth.
(06:34):
That moment is here in this city right now.
Speaker 4 (06:36):
You think about how many people have come out of
Dallas just in the past few years post Malone, you know,
little Ronnie the Row. All these guys are making getting
national attention and the national plays. And it's just incredible
to see that. Not it always puts a smile on
my face when somebody represents Dallas.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
Well, I said, a destination station because most of our
great art and artists they come get them and take them, yeah,
you know, and so we never get a chance to develop.
These people come here and they use these great musicians
and they use these great writers and these great ideas
and take them to LA or New York or Atlanta
(07:13):
because that's where they think it is. But it's here now.
So now it's time for us to make this place
a destination station so they can come and deposit some
of the years, right instead of just taking our shop
away from here.
Speaker 4 (07:27):
Yeah, how exciting can you imagine? Like the next n
wa for the next twenty years, or a group that
we either brought here or formed here in Dallas. Oh yeah,
it'd be so amazing.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
Oh yeah, I've been thinking about that for a few years.
Speaker 4 (07:38):
Yeah, you moved to LA Yeah, and then what happens now?
So you are are you a solo artist at this point?
You're still part of the group.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
Well, I was never really technically part of the group,
which is why I added the periods. They made me
kind of made me feel like even though I'm putting
all this work.
Speaker 4 (07:54):
In because you were writing a lot of the stuff too.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
Yeah, but when it's when it came time to take pictures,
and I always had to stand to this t Could
you just stand over your doctor?
Speaker 4 (08:03):
Yeah, well you take the picture.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
Yeah, you know, And it bothered me after a while. Yeah,
so I thought i'd get the better of those guys.
I'm gonna put periods in my two so everybody would
be like, oh, I get it, you know, And uh, do.
Speaker 4 (08:16):
You use the same font too? You should have used
the same font that nw A font.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
No. No, that was a great idea.
Speaker 4 (08:23):
When I got graphic designers on it for you. We'll
we'll produce your logo.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
I wasn't thinking about that back then. I just thought
the piers was enough. But by the time my records
started showing up, I was really starting to bubble in
the way they weren't. So I was kind of cool
with the slight distinction.
Speaker 4 (08:39):
You kind of brought in a unique style. And maybe
it's because you grew up here in this area.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
When I got to the West Coast, they were still
doing uh the Dream Team, Yeah, and it was still
a lot of that techno pop.
Speaker 4 (08:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
Yeah, but Cuba just there's a guy named Schooley D
who's really where that first time I heard that Cadence
was with it was him, and then and then Iced
Tea and then ice Cube did his interpretation of that
Cadence and easy made it the thing I mean, and
(09:16):
so LA had to find that is their thing. But
I but I brought, you know, wordplay to that.
Speaker 3 (09:22):
One thing I'm curious is, like you say, you you wrote,
you did a lot of the writing of the songs.
Now does the does the beat come first and then
the lyrics? So you or or do you know you
just kind of think of some thought and you're like, hey,
you know what I want to rap about that? I
want to write because you know, you come from the
time when there was still like the storytelling rat Yeah,
(09:43):
and uh, you know, you really don't see much of
that anymore. But so do you start with the beat
or do you start with the message?
Speaker 2 (09:49):
Well, I start both ways, all depending on who the
song is for and what the intent is. Well, but
he mentioned Dre being the gold you know, Dre is.
I always tell Dre that he's he's more of a
producer in the sense that he's making a film more
(10:10):
than a record, because you can visualize the art inside
his production. So it makes it easy to write the
story based on what he's he's done, you know, and
vice versa. You'll hear you and know what you're trying
to do and maxdat. You know, Drey really is probably
and I'm maybe a little biased, but it's probably the
(10:34):
best producer I've ever seen in my life.
Speaker 4 (10:37):
I agree with that. I as far as like the
storytelling aspect of his music.
Speaker 6 (10:42):
Right.
Speaker 4 (10:42):
I remember being, you know, maybe ten years old. I
wasn't not a listening to rap when I was a
little kid, so I had a walkman, I would ride
my bike and listen to rap and one of the
first albums I heard was was Eminem's the Marshall Mathers
EP or whatever. Wow, that was one of your first
that was one of my first.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
Yeah do you twenty one?
Speaker 4 (11:01):
Thank you so much, Thank you so much. No, no, no,
I'm in my mid thirty I say early thirties, but
now now it's late thirties. But I don't want to
get way to the age because you know, then they
may not hire me to be on TV anymore. We
were on Judge Steve Harvey a couple of weeks ago,
and yeah, I know you're kind of starstruck with us,
but I had a shameless plug there. But actually the
first song that actually got me in a rap was
(11:22):
Rosa Park's Outcast. That was the first song that I
was like, I like this, and then I just started
listening to But the first album, I should say that
made me feel something like truly made me feel what
you know Eminem was saying, even though there's a made
up stories some of the some of the time and whatever,
this is kind of an alter ego character or whatever,
it still made me feel something. I had no reason
to be angry. I had a great life, roof over
my head, I had parents, I had family. You know,
(11:45):
I had no reason to be angry, but that music
made me angry. I felt this, I felt Eminem's rage.
I'm like, yeah, i'm mad too. Why. I have no idea,
But that's because of Dre. I believe that's all because
of Dre.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
Well, some of it is because of Drey, but as.
Speaker 4 (11:58):
Well, Yeah, his lyrics and stuff like that too.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
He's a unique talent.
Speaker 4 (12:02):
Yeah, you know, he's one of the greatest of all time. Yeah,
without question.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
And he's such a cool guy. He's a real student
and a fan of this art, you know, and you
can't ask for anything more than that.
Speaker 3 (12:19):
You know, I'm a little older than Michael, but I
would have to say a lot model or whatever.
Speaker 4 (12:24):
Five years put that on the record, objection.
Speaker 3 (12:27):
Here'sa the first the first like rap album that layer
I listened to beginning to end because I mean, I'm
in the MTV era and now, like my growing up
is like we have one television. We were lucky to
have cable, but I had a sister that was seven
years older than me. So you get on MTV and
you know there there'd be some rap on there, but
it wasn't showcase like until probably the Chronic came out,
(12:51):
because you know, it was like cool, I get to
watch Debbie Gibson and Tiffany whatever. But first album and
like I actually did some research and I thought you
worked on it. But man, Snoop Dogg's Doggie Style great,
like start to finish, and you know, then I would
because I'm kind of in the boat with Michael. I
would have been eleven or twelve when Doggie Style came out.
(13:12):
So when I was like ten or eleven that you know,
that's when Dre hit it. And it was like, you
know they called a gangster rap. Yeah, so and I mean, yeah,
there's there's elements to it, and I mean a lot
of rap where any music genre is going to have,
you know, some sort of theme to it. And so like,
you know, it's immediately like we do. They would do
local news pieces on like, hey, this album's hitting, don't
(13:35):
listen to it or I think I think I think.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
When wait, that's exactly the way to get him this.
Speaker 3 (13:41):
It was like, hey, tune in tonight at ten o'clock
because your children might be listening to it. And I
think there was even one time in Dallas like it
was a big deal because Ice Tea was coming here
to do a show and he just had the song
cop Killer, and like there.
Speaker 4 (13:56):
This is before he was a cop.
Speaker 3 (13:59):
Yeah, which is so ironic every time, you know, I
catch SVU and I'm like, hilarious. But there's uh, they
I think they had his CDs and it was just
this big deal where they're like they're buying his CD.
Speaker 4 (14:13):
So they're making the money.
Speaker 3 (14:15):
It's like throw it in the middle of Main Street
and Dallas and have this big ordeal and I'm like,
you know what, that's that's that's great, that's entrepreneurialism.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
It's best.
Speaker 3 (14:27):
But that's uh, you know that that was probably the
first album where I like, I listened to start the
end and I'm like, man, this is uh, this is cool.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
You tell about Doggies record, Yeah, sonically probably Dre's best work. Yeah,
just his his ear was just so one point.
Speaker 3 (14:45):
There's there's sometimes where like I'll listen to something on
the Chronic and I'm like, yeah, this sounds great. But
then when you get the Doggie Saw, which is like
just what one year later, yeah, and it's like that
it sounds fuller, sounds like better produced but not overproduced.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
We were broke when we made the Chronic, we had
a little money by the time Dark Star, so everything
everything stepped up.
Speaker 4 (15:09):
He had some new equipment, new artists and.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
Guys that played the instruments. Everything stepped itself up.
Speaker 3 (15:19):
Yeah, it sounded like it was a there was a
little bit more than just an eight o eight going on.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
I think Dread relaxed, you know, because when we when
we made the Chronic, that was a really pivotal record
for us career.
Speaker 4 (15:32):
Why what was Easy?
Speaker 2 (15:34):
Like easy? Uh? Easy was an interesting human being. Uh.
He had an hit factor that made him really attractive,
you know, and these charming as you know, and and
dangerous and one thousand percent real, you know, like he
(15:58):
was the guy was built like a solid brick wall.
And even though he was you know, five foot nothing,
really someone you did not want to screw around with,
you know.
Speaker 4 (16:13):
I feel like he was one of those guys too
that you had to kind of be careful, Like he
could kind of fly out the handle if he didn't
like you or like something you're saying. He was a
quiet guy, he was okay.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
You know, if he didn't if he had a problem,
you wouldn't know it until it was too late.
Speaker 4 (16:26):
Yeah, he just shut down, or it shut you down right. Yeah,
we're gonna take a break, but we got more to
talk about. You got a new project you're you're gonna
be promoting as well. I'm super excited to have you here.
We'll be right back with more from the doc.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
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Just a couple of years ago, Universal decided to take
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being how it's been up for so many years? Or
was it kind of like good riddance. I'm tired of that.
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They ended the universal That's a future ride and they were,
you know, and I was for that ceremony that.
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I got a cop pop and Rolling Stone calls these
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I guess I don't know if that's true. Orenough, I'm
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Speaker 4 (18:53):
So it's nineteen eighty nine. Now your new album, yes,
debut album, right, Yes, debut record comes out. You're riding
Heights number one for two weeks and you're just like
life's a highway as that country. People say what they say,
but you're riding hot. And then not too long after that,
(19:17):
you're in a car accident. How did you take that
at the time, Like, I mean, I can only imagine
being how old you at this point, eighteen twenty one,
So you're twenty one, you get your whole life in
front of you. You're doing so great, You're with some
of the biggest artists in the world, you're helping them,
you're growing with them. Everyone like you guys are going
up as a team. And then the one thing that
(19:38):
you need to be a rapper, your speaking voice, is gone.
What are you thinking about during that time?
Speaker 2 (19:48):
Probably just all kinds of stuff, man, you know, death, yeah,
and drugs and plenty of alcohol.
Speaker 3 (20:00):
You know.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
But even in that sort of moment, I was able
to pivot because I still wanted to be great, you know.
I still had that desire to show people that I
was really good at this, and so I was just
able to use their voices to sort of get off,
(20:22):
you know. I thought that would work, you know, and
it did kind of for a minute. Then it just stopped.
And in fact that in those days, I used to
put my name in all the Dre's raps, and because
that was the only way I could give people to.
Speaker 4 (20:38):
Say my name, Hey, I'm still here.
Speaker 2 (20:41):
And then he got tired of it. You know, bro,
why you keep putting your name in my But that
was my only way to get it in. But even that,
after a while, I just just didn't work. And I think, uh,
you know, Jill d blessed me with Snoop Dogg because
everything that I wanted to give he was so willing
(21:01):
to take. And even to this day, he never ceases
to amaze me how great of a human being he
is because he always gives that back.
Speaker 4 (21:15):
You know, That's one thing I've kind of noticed. I
don't know Snoop, I've never met him, but from his
persona that I see as from the public view, he
seems to be a guy that he is who he is.
Oh yeah, he takes I remember watching that reality show
he had a few years ago where you know his
house and you see his kids and everything, and it's
like he almost did never forget where he came from,
never come in.
Speaker 2 (21:36):
That's some some people, that's just who they are.
Speaker 4 (21:38):
Yeah, Like, you're one of the biggest rappers in the world,
and you still you still go to Rosco's Chicken and Waffles. Yeah,
you're still keeping up with all the people you came
up with. You know, you're helping them out when they
need help. He just seems like a really great guy.
Speaker 2 (21:50):
Chubb D's one of those guys. Iced Tease one of
those guys. Ice Cubes one of those guys. Yeah Snoop
Dogg is one of those guys. These are the guys
I've known for, you know, thirty five years or so,
and they're they're exactly the same guy.
Speaker 4 (22:07):
Yeah, and.
Speaker 2 (22:10):
Iced Tea as big a star as he became on
TVN and music, he still talks to me like I'm
that young dude that's still the coldest right in the game.
He still comes at me like that. Yeah, And it's
really just cool to be able to stand contact with
these men.
Speaker 4 (22:28):
It's family. It really is kind of like family, no question. Now,
I heard that. For years, I thought that the injury
to your voice was caused by the accent, but then
I heard it could have been the hospital.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
Yeah, it was the doctors. They they intubated me and
sort of evolved that vocal fold on the right side,
And if I would have left it alone, it probably
would have build itself in about a year, maybe a
year and a half. I found this out much later.
(23:00):
That happens. What happened to me happens to a lot
of people. But I was in such a hurry to
get this thing healed that I went back in at
scar tissue removed. And whoever that doctor was screwed me.
Speaker 4 (23:16):
Is it too late to go back? After that doctor?
I got to judge Steve Harvey's number there, I get to.
Speaker 2 (23:23):
Trust.
Speaker 4 (23:25):
Do you, looking back, though, do you ever feel like
the accident, what's sort of a blessing in disguise, is.
Speaker 2 (23:30):
Absolutely what it was. I look back on those days
with no without a hint of any anger or resentment
towards anybody or anything, anybody, the guys that most people
would look at as enemies or anti heroes of the story.
(23:52):
I sub knight. I'm thankful for those guys.
Speaker 3 (23:55):
Now.
Speaker 2 (23:56):
I needed those guys to be right here talking to
you today. If any one of those guys does one
thing differently, and I don't get to be right here.
Speaker 3 (24:04):
Right because you're you're twenty one years old, I mean
you you basically you know risk life and death.
Speaker 4 (24:11):
Oh yeah, and.
Speaker 3 (24:13):
Whether whether it's in a car accident or in you know,
the jungles of Vietnam, that's gonna shape your profile from
that from that day on. Yeah, of course, and you
can either let it beat you up, or you know,
you're just growing adapt.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
And it was tough, man. You know, I ingested a
lie of trying to cover it up because being high
was the only way I could be DC again.
Speaker 4 (24:36):
Right.
Speaker 2 (24:36):
You know, when you're high, your dark, everybody loves you're fun,
You're funny, you're the guy. When you're not, you're just mad,
you're angry, you're bitter.
Speaker 4 (24:46):
You know, at some point you have to forget who's
the real who's the real guy?
Speaker 2 (24:50):
You know what I mean? And so coming all these
years later, it took all of this time for me
to find out that I'm still just that same kid
from West Dallas.
Speaker 4 (24:59):
Yeah, you know, just a good guy.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
You know, I feel good when everybody wins, and I'm
down to work towards that.
Speaker 4 (25:07):
Yeah. What I think is so cool about it the
fact that you are a writer and not just a rapper.
You never truly like lost your voice, Like you said,
you kind of continue to speak through other people. You
lost your speaking ability, but not your voice.
Speaker 2 (25:20):
Well I lost the power behind that gift. Yeah, but
I was always able to speak. In fact, I don't
want to give any of the documentary away because it's
such a really cool story.
Speaker 4 (25:33):
I can't wait.
Speaker 2 (25:34):
But you know, there's meaning and purpose in this sound, Yeah,
to know why to figure that out?
Speaker 4 (25:40):
You know, they say when somebody loses a sense their eyesight, hearing,
the other senses become stronger. You feel like your writing
ability became stronger after the accident.
Speaker 2 (25:50):
No, No, I was pretty good all the way through.
You know, my ability to be sort of an asshole
increased bazillionfold, right, you know, and you'll find that out
in the documentary too. I bear it all, you know,
(26:11):
because this healing is not just for me, it's for everybody.
Speaker 4 (26:15):
Let's talk about the documentary, which comes out when this summer, right.
Speaker 2 (26:18):
Well, it premieres that Tribeca. Oh it does, yeah, on
June the tenth, which is my birthday. Happy early birthday,
Yeah very fred cool, we're.
Speaker 4 (26:28):
Just one day off.
Speaker 3 (26:28):
My birthday is on the eleventh.
Speaker 4 (26:30):
Really yeah, well, you know we should do we should
all go to Tribeca and watch this documentary for y'all's birthday.
Speaker 2 (26:36):
Yeah. It's going to be off the freaking chain, because,
like I said, I may be the vehicle, but this
documentary is not about me. It's about us. Yeah, and
the US may be black people, the US may be
hip hop, or the US may be here in Dallas
for work, but it's about us and it's our time
(26:56):
now you know it's coming through me. But this, this,
this victory is for everybody.
Speaker 4 (27:01):
I cannot wait. So it goes to try back and
then it is on demand. After that, you know, we
don't work better than you get it sold, okay, and
then after that you get your.
Speaker 2 (27:11):
Yeah, and then where it goes is where it goes.
And people have already started to call good.
Speaker 4 (27:19):
I don't know if we want Netflix, though it doesn't
seem they're doing too well.
Speaker 2 (27:22):
Now I'm telling you people that it will.
Speaker 4 (27:27):
Quibby. If Quibby calls, hang up the phone.
Speaker 2 (27:29):
Maybe there's maybe the one.
Speaker 4 (27:30):
Yeah, yeah, exactly. There you go. This might bring you
back from the dead, but you're gonna have to put
up the money for Oh.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
My god, you know what I mean. It's so look,
I haven't like I've been in this business for thirty
five years. Yeah, I've never made a million bucks in
this business before, you know what I mean. But I
think I'm pretty close, you know, And so that in
itself is enough to be super excited about that the
fact that I get to come home and the aspirations
(27:58):
that I have for this city are these visions are
God's size, and I can only tell you that five
years from now, you won't recognize this city from today
because of the musical imprint that's going to be.
Speaker 4 (28:14):
Yeah, I do want to touch on that because I
love the local rappers we have here. I've befront of
them over the years. B hamp Durou I don't know
too well, but fat Pimp all these guys are great,
wonderfully talented guys. You know, we Dallas had a spark
for a little bit during the dance Rap Crazy, and
(28:35):
it made me so proud that these guys are getting
the national attention they deserve, because when you think of
Texas rappers, you automatately go to Houston, Mike Jones, you
got the Paul Walls and all that stuff. Yeah, but
now there was at this point in time two thousand
and what was that two thousand and nine, twenty ten,
it switched and now when you thought Texas rappers, you
thought about these guys. You thought about the stinky leg
(28:55):
that came out of that, you know, or the Ricky
Bobby or whatever. And it may be really proud to
be around and and and witness all of that, and
then it feels like it died down again. But then
you're starting to see this momentum building and I feel
like what you're saying in five years it's gonna explode.
Speaker 2 (29:10):
Yeah, they got the lesson that they haven't quite learned
yet is this business is a business and there's a
commercial value to it. And if you can tap into that,
you can still be your hood guy, your you know,
street guy. But there are there are ways to go
(29:31):
about it so that you could build your audience and
in a way that it could really benefit you instead
of you know, doing your best to get yourself locked
up just just so you could say you did some right.
Speaker 4 (29:45):
You have a story to tell.
Speaker 2 (29:46):
Yeah, man, it's it's it's unfortunate that these guys like
it used to be where life imitated art, you know,
now it's just art imitating life, and even that life
is an imitation.
Speaker 4 (30:03):
Do you still write every day? You like Jerry Seinfeld,
who has to get up and write, you know, a
line every single day? No, you don't do that.
Speaker 2 (30:10):
I still got it. But something it was it's always
a spiritual thing with me something to move you. And
I think the last time I was really serious about
trying to write something. What was the word that they
used to describe what we were going through when everybody
(30:33):
had to mask up? It was two words.
Speaker 4 (30:35):
I forget what martial law, type of situation, social distance.
Speaker 2 (30:38):
So that's it. And so I wrote a record where
that was uh, and it was actually pretty good, you know.
I sent it to Snoop and everybody laugh. But I
was trying to show how ridiculous sort of it was
in the moment. Yeah, something to inspire me.
Speaker 4 (30:58):
Yeah, but I'm feeling it.
Speaker 2 (31:00):
I'm really feeling good, yeah, musically now because this documentary
is going to open those doors for me again. There
are people that really want to hear me do some stuff,
you know, but but I think I'm more interested in
finding great things and producing them.
Speaker 4 (31:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (31:18):
Sure, I'd like to do some things myself just to
satisfy you know, those old sort of itches and in
people that may be fans of that old stuff. But
you know, I'm into what what tomorrow is going to bring.
Speaker 4 (31:31):
Yeah. First off, let me just say this, you still
got it because I saw you perform six years ago
something like that bomb Factory it was, uh it was
not that long ago. Yeah, it was a while back.
That's where I'm sick with it. The producer, he's dope.
He's such a great guy. He's a good gi I
don't remember it being super packed because I think it
was just kind of a bomb Factory was just kind
(31:51):
of just new and it was kind of a like
a Thursday night. But I just remember sitting in the
audience thinking of myself, this is incredible because all Dallas artists,
Erica shows up, Yeah you were there, Uh well Scarface Houston, right, yeah,
but still it was like it represented Texas and you
came out, you did a few songs, and I thought,
this guy still got it. I'm like, you're there, like
(32:13):
im it. Yeah, And I'm just so excited to see
what you do next because I just your story is
just incredible. Here's one thing sick with it. We had
him on a couple weeks ago. He pointed this out.
So at that concert, I bought two shirts. I bought
a doc shirt. It was like the straight out of
Compton parody logo. I bought that, and I also bought
this one. This is another parody. This is a bangers.
It says Texas Rangers logo. But it's a says bangers
(32:35):
I bought at your concert. My favorite shirt was the
doc shirt I called out my lucky shirt. I love it.
For the life of me, I couldn't find it today,
Otherwise I would have wore it. But I also was
in an accident.
Speaker 3 (32:45):
Oh dude, I was wondering. I was wondering if he
was going to bring it up?
Speaker 4 (32:50):
Well, how could I not?
Speaker 3 (32:51):
Like we had nine minutes left, howick, we're not going
to mention the flag? How can I go to make
it through a show nine minutes? How could I not?
Speaker 4 (32:58):
Though? Let me tell you why it was so awesome.
Speaker 2 (33:00):
Guys, by the way.
Speaker 4 (33:02):
I love that. I call it. Call it nine minutes
and seventeen seconds. If sick it didn't make this connection,
I wouldn't have even brought this up. But I have to.
So Labor Day twenty eighteen, take you back. I'm on
a scooter and deep out one of the electric scooters, and.
Speaker 2 (33:18):
One of the guys you stand up.
Speaker 4 (33:20):
Yeah, yeah, OK. I never done it that on my life.
It was definitely thank you, thank you. This is why
this is why you have to watch Judge Steve Harvey.
It's a little bit more complicated for episode eight uh,
season one on Hulu now available. But I remember exactly
what I was wearing that day. I was wearing my
Doc shirt. Oh wow, and uh sick with it said, well,
(33:42):
you know, Doc was also in an accent. And I
never made that connection ever because for me, even though
mine was not sei, I shattered my leg. I was
out for like six Oh.
Speaker 3 (33:50):
You would think you would think it was the word like, yeah,
I mean I milk it, I milk it.
Speaker 4 (33:54):
But for me, though, in all seriousness, it was a
like a reboot moment for me, when you're ling on
your back and you can't get up to even go
pee for three months, Yeah, it starts to change things
and you start to realize, you start to prioritize things
a little bit differently. So there's a couple of people
that I thought of when I was in there. Again,
I know there's people way worse than I have been
and with that accident, but I thought of Tracy Morgan,
(34:16):
who was in a terrible accident with that Walmart truck
and his back doing what he loves and it almost
even though it was a terrible experience, he's kind of
grateful for it. Now who have made him? And then
I thought about you not realizing the whole doc shirt
that I thought that was sickly that brought that up.
But I thought about you and what was going through
your mind at you know, twenty something years old, and
you had you were right on the cusp. Who knows
(34:38):
what could have happened, But something even better happened for you,
you know what I mean. It's like, you think this
is where you're supposed to go, but then life kind
of throws you a curveball. I say, life, but who
knows what it is? Right? And then all of a
sudden you're over here and you're like then you start
to connect the dots. You're like, oh wait a minute,
but if I did do this, I wouldn't have done this.
And then you start tracing it all back and then
you become a lot more grateful. So even though for
(34:59):
me that was the most I never broke it ap
bone in my life, and the shatter two bones in
like eighteen place or sixteen places was a pretty.
Speaker 3 (35:06):
Devastating they't even know, he doesn't even know anym There
was no final count, isn't he doesn't even know anymore?
Speaker 4 (35:10):
Like that, it was right, but it was a moment
for me that was a reboot moment for me, a
reset bro.
Speaker 2 (35:16):
I dear you know, it's uh, it sucks, but in
those in those moments for us as individuals, are opportunities
for growth, absolutely that you would never get otherwise.
Speaker 4 (35:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (35:33):
So what you think is this that could ever happen
to you? Yeah, is in fact probably one of the
biggest blessings you could ever get.
Speaker 4 (35:41):
Absolutely. I mean, hey, we got to work with Steve
Harvey three years later. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (35:47):
Sometimes it takes a minute for it to play itself.
Speaker 4 (35:50):
Out, but it always does.
Speaker 2 (35:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (35:51):
But I thought about like you guys and other people
have been worse situations and how you're able to come
back from that. It makes me appreciate you more because
you know what I mean, even though I just sampled
a tiny bit of it, it just makes me, uh
want to be more like that and more resilient more.
I don't know, I don't know how to even articulate that,
but your story helped me with what I was going through,
if that makes sense.
Speaker 2 (36:12):
In the way we think about things in today's society,
the DC is the Department of Corrections. That's how we
see it as a society. And so if you really
think back, if you really sit back and think about it,
(36:32):
where I am right now with this rebirth. This is
the third one, so this would be the resurrection, right, Yeah,
the Department of Correction, right, this is this is this film,
this moment in time. This purpose is to cause correct
what I made, what me and these guys basically started. Yeah,
(36:54):
you know, now somebody needs to show up and say, Okay,
maybe we needed to do it this way, or or
change something about the dynamic and in which we process
and give this information out or or something. And it's
already going on on the web, but a lot of
the older guys are beginning to show up on their
(37:17):
pages and and give give information that that these younger
guys really need to hear. And so that's that's that's
a part of it. If you step back and look
at it from ah from the bird's eye of view,
you can see the movement already happening. Which is why
I'm I'm the guy, you know, and I take my position.
I'm thankful and I'm grateful for it, and I'm a
(37:39):
home of nuts, you know, and say what I feel
and see if I can get these younger guys in
Dallas to understand their power. Because if you want real change,
the real change happens in the mud. It just so
happens that all the guys in the Mud are kind
of throwed off right now. They don't know who they are,
(38:01):
They don't know where their power comes from. They just
know they got it right, you know. And so if
you can, I say to people all the time, those
guys are warriors. Those guys are soldiers. They just don't
have a war, so they war with each other. So
you need to give them their war, I mean, and
direct that energy and.
Speaker 4 (38:21):
You can change you guys. Didn't That's what I think
you guys did. What did you think of the movie?
Straight out of content?
Speaker 2 (38:29):
I loved it. You know, it wasn't my story, it
was theirs.
Speaker 4 (38:33):
You're in your character, Yeah, it was there. Would you
give any advice or talk to him before he No?
Speaker 2 (38:39):
No, I uh, I just let those guys run with it.
And it was a great movie, you know. But this
documentary is nothing like that.
Speaker 4 (38:48):
This is the real story.
Speaker 2 (38:50):
It's a real story.
Speaker 4 (38:51):
Yeah right.
Speaker 2 (38:52):
What I'm most proud of is that you see these
people doctor Dre and Snoop and Cube and and they
don't look like stars. They don't come off as you know,
Dreda didn't come off as a billionaire moge. He just
comes off as my brother, you know. And that's one
thing that I'm really proud of that you get to
see my brother like like that in in a in
(39:14):
a in a way that you don't normally see him.
And you see Eminem is just a fan of music
man or you see Erica as this she yeah, she's
the you know, Neil sol queen, but in this documentary
she's just a really beautiful woman that cares a lot
about a guy that a baby, you know, and and
(39:35):
they're great co parents and they love one another and
they're you know. So there's a lot of really cool
stuff about this documentary that humanizes us in a way
that you get to see us as more than just
people on a record cover or people on a video.
You know, him go.
Speaker 4 (39:53):
Through right like YO got there in the first place.
Uh do you have a song on G I don't know,
on near like a new the contract or whatever.
Speaker 2 (40:03):
I don't mean it.
Speaker 4 (40:04):
Oh, I thought somebody was talking about Grand Theft Auto.
I thought, yeah, yeah, there's a dre It's dre. But
I think they released some music and did you help
write any of that or were you on the track
or anything.
Speaker 2 (40:14):
No. In fact, when people heard that song, it's uh,
it's how the documentary ends. I forget the name of
the song. Him and eminem or on this record, Andre's
doing this really weird voice for the hood, and people
just thought it was me.
Speaker 4 (40:31):
That's what I saw that because I saw an article
that popped up and it was like, d O C
is you know on a track and GTA or whatever,
and I remember hearing it. I'm like, that doesn't really
sound like him, and.
Speaker 2 (40:39):
I don't want to take it away from them.
Speaker 4 (40:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (40:41):
Yeah, that's how they feel and it makes them happy.
Speaker 4 (40:43):
Go for it right.
Speaker 2 (40:45):
In fact, I went and told Dre he just put
my voice on it.
Speaker 4 (40:48):
Yeah, he went, shut up too late. We can put
up that following pro tools.
Speaker 2 (40:53):
Yeah, man, now give me.
Speaker 4 (40:56):
You were talking about some really talented rappers in Dallas,
and you happen to be in the presence of one.
I've got a song here. It's about ten years old now,
but I just want to play you a sample of it. Yeah. No,
these guys are big supporters. Yeah, it's gonna be ten
years old. This year. I'm just gonna play a sample.
I just want to get your critique ause you know
you're a pioneer of modern rap, you know what I mean.
(41:16):
So because he's gonna I think, I think, I think
you're gonna be blown away. How talented I I just
I'm just gonna play now the song this is. I
made this back during the Dallas dance craze, right. I
wanted a song that people that I was raised Baptists
didn't dance, right, So it's just a dance we just
move your arms back and forth called the walk like
(41:37):
Gumby is what it's called. And uh yeah and gumby
also like it was a I made the beat. We
have to do it again. That's me. That's all me.
I did everything.
Speaker 5 (41:49):
Yeah, ghost like wow Wow, I'm gonna fast forward to
the to the verse.
Speaker 4 (41:59):
You can hear my lit my lyrical genius flow.
Speaker 5 (42:03):
Leg dust get so want some do move soan.
Speaker 2 (42:12):
Snuggy wow.
Speaker 4 (42:14):
You know I mean, I just like, there's so much
talent that's coming after out of me that I had
to put it on a record somewhere. Actually, honestly, you
know what, though I do comedy rap obviously from time
to time when I when I have the time, I'm
not that talented, but that song, like that whole thing, uh,
the style, the you know, I try to rap a
little bit like eminem that kind of thing. None of
that would have happened. I would never have done rap
(42:34):
like that had it not been for you guys. So
so basically what I'm saying is you're responsible for watching Yeah,
what'd you think?
Speaker 5 (42:44):
Just?
Speaker 2 (42:44):
Uh, you know, it was really cool. I mean I
wanted as Snuggie.
Speaker 4 (42:48):
Yeah, we have block like Gunny Snuggies coming out. I
think we're gonna do it at some point. I got
to talk with Sick with it because I think he's
gonna reproduce. We're gonna do a remix, a ten year
anniversary remix, I think on it. But we'll see. He
is the guy I like. There's something about his sound
that's so unique.
Speaker 2 (43:04):
There's a lot of really talented I mean, bro, there's
so much talent in this city, and I don't want
to I don't want to exclude fort Worth because I
really have.
Speaker 4 (43:15):
A problem will I live there. I only have a.
Speaker 2 (43:21):
Problem with with the way that that plays itself out
like that. There is no separation from me it's it's
just DFW, you know. And I plan to make it
a point going forward every time I do anything pressworthy,
to make sure that people know that man, because that
(43:42):
was fort Worth is a hell of it. It's a
huge machine that is super powerful. It's just not working
because it's not plugged up right.
Speaker 4 (43:53):
You've got to dust it off, plug it back are.
Speaker 2 (43:55):
Yeah, I mean, it's so stupid. And I went and
I talked to this guy, this billionaire from four and
I was asking him for some money for a school
that I'm building.
Speaker 4 (44:05):
How cool you're getting.
Speaker 2 (44:06):
You're building a school and I'm trying to build a
school inside Fair Park.
Speaker 4 (44:10):
Oh that's gonna be awesome.
Speaker 2 (44:11):
Based around all arts, entertainment and technology, filmmaking and television
music production.
Speaker 4 (44:19):
Wow.
Speaker 6 (44:21):
You know.
Speaker 2 (44:21):
I'm trying to make Dallas a destination space. I need
an a room inside Fair Park, inside the Woman's Museum
is where I want to put this space. I need
an eight room that's so cold that I can get
Dread to come spend a week here just because it's
such a great room, you know. I mean, I need
(44:41):
Snoop and Pharrell and these people that want to come
here and spend time here. Because of that room, and
so that's where my heart is. So I went and
asked this guy for someone that's gonna take me about
fifteen million so I can get this thing up and
move it. And they said, man, I'd love to help
you out, but generally Forward doesn't give money past thirty
(45:03):
five East and vice versa. And I was like, how
stupid is that? Like it says it goes all the
way back to the name in Carter days, and you know,
the sister cities have always had this sort of big
brother little brother kind of thing going on. I'm and
I told him his name is uh Churchill with Churchill,
(45:24):
And I said, We're gonna work on that together, bro,
because that's just dumb.
Speaker 4 (45:28):
You think he made all those billions in one city,
Like you have to cross lines, you know, to start
making billions of dollars, you know what I mean. You gotta,
you gotta, you can't just let boundaries.
Speaker 2 (45:36):
Uh. I know, Dallas, Dallas Fort Worth as a whole
is one of the biggest, most powerful, most beautiful cities
that they have in this country.
Speaker 4 (45:47):
Absolutely, and there's no.
Speaker 2 (45:48):
Reason why we shouldn't all be grabbing our nuts and
acting like it.
Speaker 4 (45:52):
Absolutely I'm so with you on that, and I'm so
glad to hear you say that. For over the years,
I've you know, I've had the opportunity to move to
LA and do some other stuff, and I'm like, no,
I'm gonna stay here. I'm gonna make do what I
can to help Dallas be great.
Speaker 2 (46:01):
Yeah, man, it's coming, bro, It's so right here. When
the Yellow Beasy things started happening, you started to see.
Speaker 4 (46:10):
He's on hip Hop World Star hip Hop every day.
Speaker 2 (46:13):
Trying to drive that the commercial aspect to what's happening
in the in the street music here. You know, It's
it's just it's so much, so many possibilities. Have to
get these guys to understand that you have to put
those guns down. Nobody's going to give you money if
they think they're gonna get shot in the ass, you know,
(46:33):
leaving the place. You know what I mean, you got
to leave the bullets behind. And if you want the
money now, if you want the in your life, because
some people want that, then I'm not here to talk
you down off your mountain. Do what you gotta do.
Because they got places from people that that's what they want.
It's called prison in the graveyard. That's where they send you.
(46:56):
But if you want a lot of money, you want
to get to be in the old black Man, and
I have a lot.
Speaker 4 (47:01):
Of money, right, I think that's so incredible. I'm gonna
have you signed this. I got this uh made, so
you can sign this and we can put it on
the wall. Dope, Eric, would you pass that over to
and you can sign that. See, and then I'm gonna
uh again, I mentioned a couple of times that I
was on we were on Judge Steve Harvey. So I'm
gonna sign one for you, or We're gonna do an
(47:22):
autograph swap. I'm doing a sign limited edition uh Michael's
Avola five by seven for you as well. You should
still honored. Yeah, oh this market doesn't work a sign.
I'll sign it after the show to you. You can
just you can just sign it. Yeah, I'm gonna put
on the hallway so everyone knows, uh that you were here.
(47:43):
I know you guys still get together, like you know,
Snoop and Dre and stuff every now and then. I
see you guys on Instagram and stuff, and uh, next
time you need someone to carry you luggage. I'd love
to be a fly and no he can't no, his
with his leg he can't do no. Well, I mean
it makes it strong, right, he can't it it makes
me strong. But no, Like you know, I've always said this,
(48:03):
and I know this is not I'm not the first
one to say this, but I've never smoked weed in
my life.
Speaker 2 (48:08):
Oh wow?
Speaker 4 (48:08):
And uh do you have that marker? And uh? I
always said if I was gonna do it, the one
and only time would be with Snoop Dogg. So next
times in town, hit me up, I'll come over and
then you guys can videotape me for TikTok as I
pass out. Yeah, but we'll get some markers. We'll mark
on them. That's right. Yeah, but a little mustach. But
(48:29):
where can people find out more about what you're doing,
your projects? Uh, your school? Like how can they reach you?
Speaker 2 (48:35):
Well, that's a pretty good question. And you know what,
everything happens in my in my life right now, everything
happens organically.
Speaker 4 (48:47):
Yeah, I mean, And so.
Speaker 2 (48:49):
If it's in you, if you were within the sound
of this voice, and if it's in you to want
to be with me and help this city go to
the next level, because everything New York, everything in La
has everything, places like Nashville and Atlanta and MINEI have
you have. Yeah, you just haven't connected the dots and
(49:10):
made it what it can be. Right, And if you're
ready to take that leap, then find me.
Speaker 4 (49:14):
Yeah, that's the first part of the journey, right, and
I'm minding you.
Speaker 2 (49:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (49:18):
Well, I can't speak for everyone in this room but
the studio. However, I can help whatever I can do personally,
I would. I mean, I'm on the same mission that
you wore in a way, I think you're more invested,
have more a pool than I do. But any way
I can help.
Speaker 2 (49:31):
Thanks.
Speaker 4 (49:32):
I'm always here for you, so thank you so much.
The doc has been an honor. Eric, would you give
this to him real quick?
Speaker 3 (49:37):
I just want to make sure I know one question
because it sounds like we're about to get out of here. Yeah,
who you got tonight, Mavericks?
Speaker 4 (49:43):
All right?
Speaker 2 (49:44):
I mean, now that's a generic answer.
Speaker 3 (49:48):
You know, I'm not trying to like put you on
the spot, but I mean that's funny.
Speaker 4 (49:51):
Yeah, you can scand that little QR code and it
goes right over to uh Hulu and opens the episode
so you can see Eric and I battle it out
over my scooter accident. That's you would we kind of
have a bond because I was wearing your shirt absolutely
to Doc incredible, So that is amazing.
Speaker 2 (50:06):
Who the people behind you and this.
Speaker 4 (50:08):
Big they're the jury. I don't know. They were like,
wait a minute, this is a real court.
Speaker 3 (50:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (50:12):
Yeah, we don't have to have a funny if you
go out into the hallway when you leave, there's a
we have a poster that we had made like it
looks like a movie poster and it's got Steve, Eric
and me up there, and uh, we make a we
try to make as light of it as possible. So
very cool. It's a cool thing. So anyway, thank you
so much for coming out. And you said you have
the MAVs.
Speaker 2 (50:29):
Yeah, but you know the NBA. It's a tough call,
right you. Uh is Chris Paul going to show up?
Speaker 4 (50:35):
Is he gonna blow another two lead?
Speaker 2 (50:41):
Is Luca gonna get the help you need? True? Like
those guys are, It's gonna be an interesting game.
Speaker 4 (50:47):
You know.
Speaker 2 (50:48):
I'm rooting for us because I do love Luca to death.
I think the guys just insanely talented and super ballsy.
Speaker 4 (50:58):
Yeah yeah, love good deal, good deal. Well, thank you
so much. Again, I can't even explain to you how
much you just showing by and talk with us for
an hour as uh, how excited I am about that.
Thank you so much for it.
Speaker 2 (51:10):
Was just mine. Guys, I really appreciate you.
Speaker 6 (51:13):
Know.
Speaker 2 (51:14):
They hope getting the word out.
Speaker 4 (51:15):
Yeah, I'm excited about your documentary coming out soon.
Speaker 2 (51:18):
Big deal.
Speaker 4 (51:19):
Thank you so much.
Speaker 1 (51:21):
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