July 21, 2025 • 38 mins
Jack Black and Gwyneth Paltrow star in a film that we can safely say hasn't aged well. This month, Brandon, Our Buddy Brett, and Stoney are discussing 2001's 'Shallow Hal' on the Movie Review Rewind Podcast.
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Speaker 1 (00:10):
Flipping back the calendar to highlight Yesteryear's finus while exploring
the vast archives in cinema history. This is the Movie
Review Rewind Podcast on Nashville Movie Dispatch. Welcome back for
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another episode of the movie Review Rewind podcast right here
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Everything is up at Nashville Movie Dispatch dot substack dot com.
Joined as usual by my co host on the movie
Review Rewind podcast. He is a board member of the
Music City Film Critics Association. He is a member of
the Southeastern Film Critics Association. He's our resident film critic,
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mister big shot himself, Brandon Vick. Brandon, how you doing today,
my man?
Speaker 2 (01:21):
I'm doing pretty good. Something smells like trash. It's been
sitting at your sun for a few days.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
Did you did you poot again? You didn't? I don't care.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
Let me check my cookie monster Boxers.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
Okay, that's that is you do that. I'm going to
introduce our other friend here joining us. You might remember
him from the Vick Flicks podcast where we talked about
that musical joker movie Last Fall. He's our buddy, Brett. Brett,
how are you doing today?
Speaker 3 (01:49):
You know, I I thought that may come across as weird,
and it's not.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
I promise.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
I've thought, since this is a movie review, rewind that
I can do a rewound character from around the time
like that that this movie we're talking about today came out.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
I picked up on that. I was going to ask you,
are you getting festive contemporary with Shallow House?
Speaker 3 (02:09):
Thank you getting in the spirit?
Speaker 1 (02:11):
Yes, so we're here to talk about Shallow How and
I did not even look up what year it came
out before we started this podcast. Was two thousand and one.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
Yeah, two thousand and one, I believe, now I'm going I.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
Was going to say two thousand and three, but that's
probably right.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
Well, don't worry, guys, Yeah, two thousand and one.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
It was back when everyone had a sense of humor.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
Yeah you could, you could, You could really make jokes back.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
You could really just make jokes.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
And just open openly hate fat people.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
Exactly.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
It was acceptable in two thousand, you know.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
What, not an ounce of embarrassment.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
No, it was just a national pastime in the country.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
Yeah, we're trying to make it. We're it's making a comeback.
We're trying.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
So if I, if I understand the premise of this
film correctly, it is trying to assert that fat people
and disabled people deserve love.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
That they're pretty too, and.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
That all pretty people are actually ugly on the inside.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
Ugly and old and frail.
Speaker 1 (03:08):
Yes. Yeah, so you might be wondering to yourself, why
on earth would you guys subject yourself to rewatching Shallow
How all these years later? But I promise you all
there's a there's a very distinct reason that I will
pass the baton to Brandon think to start this little
session of story time on the movie podcast.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
I have been giving my dear friend Brett Shitt since
the day that I found out why he was not
allowed to go see Shallow How in theaters all these
years ago, And it was basically his father did not
want him to go see this movie because of the themes
of it.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
I don't know that I ever really remember the reason?
Why was that accurate? Brett? It was?
Speaker 3 (03:56):
I think so, but I think watching it, and I
guess I can say this on the front end, there
were moments I was like, oh, that's the thing right there,
I remember, but he had but.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
Listen, he never saw it. No, so we're all so
he's going off previews, yes, all right?
Speaker 3 (04:14):
And and I was thinking about this going in, like
was I allowed to see things that were worse than this?
And the answer is yes, I'm sure that I was,
because other like PG thirteen movies or whatever would have
been a lot.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
Of these, and that was the one thing is that
it was PG thirteen, So I'm like, why wouldn't you?
And of course Jack Black and the Fairly Brothers from.
Speaker 3 (04:34):
I think, yeah, I think that because I remember this
from the preview and I remember it when I was
watching it. There's a scene where what's Gwyneth Paltrow's character's name,
Rosemary is getting undressed in front of him while he's
in the bed and he shooting and it's showing like
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from behind, and I remember that scene being in the previews,
and I think he saw that probably and was like,
my son ain't saying that's well, but it was Gwyneth Paltrow.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
How oh, well there was a real surprise when you
saw the movie.
Speaker 3 (05:12):
Then yeah, yeah, so I think that much. I think
just thinking it was like over. I mean, it is sexualized,
but more so even than it is.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
Maybe well, and I always thought I remember like saying,
we're like, oh, you know, this movie is getting a
bad rap because it's making fun of heavy set people.
But the whole point is that, you know, look at
the inner beauty. It's not all about the physical appearance
and everything. But I will let I also want to
go on record and say that it's watching this now
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and I have not seen it in years and years
and years. I would stand shoulder to shoulder with your father,
and it has nothing to do with his reasons. But
this is just a bad movie. And almost see every
aspect of that you would critique a movie, from performances
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to humor to even this the whole message like they
don't even do a good job of showing you in
her beauty. And I thought, no, God, this was a
I think we might all be in agreement, but I
will tell you there is no chance in hell I
would watch it again.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
Yeah. That was the last time I watched it. See
there's there's a line in the beginning of the film
that Hal's dad tells him when he's on his deathbed,
and he says something about find a woman with a
good can and a great pair of tatas, and it'll
put you in good standing with the Lord. And I
remember thinking, like, that seems pretty off putting to uh.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
But in all fairness, that wasn't in the trailer.
Speaker 3 (06:38):
It wasn't in the trailer, And I do want to clarify,
I don't think that it was anything about like this
idea of like making fun of people for being overweight.
I don't think any of that was the reason. I
think it was this you were allowed to do that? Yeah, yeah,
for sure, I think that. I think that it was
the idea of it being super sexualized or something.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
And I don't think I ever knew that. I don't
think I ever I don't think that was ever even
brought up. Or maybe I just didn't listen, and just
to fit my narrative, I just thought, well, why why
can't we listen? Why can't a group of guys go
to the theater and laugh at fat people? I just
don't understand them. And I could not fathom.
Speaker 3 (07:20):
That what what more like pure and virtuous form of
fun was there in two thousand and.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
One, exactly exactly I saw.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
There were some fun letterboxed reviews. One of them said
this was the second worst thing to happen in the
fall of two thousand and one.
Speaker 3 (07:37):
Oh, I'm glad you said that because I saw that too,
but was a little bit hesitant to say it out
loud on this podcast. But I was entertained by it too.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
But then there was another one that, like somebody said, wow,
the cinematography and editing, like from a filmmaking aspect, this
was a very clean, perfect film, And I'm like, what
are you what what are we doing here? We're breaking
down shallow how like it's Scorsese or something.
Speaker 3 (08:02):
Well, like like any social media there are people in
letterbox that shouldn't be allowed to have the Internet.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
Yeah, to she Toche. So I remember at the time
there was some pushback on this film for it being
so misogynistic, and I mean it it really is just
I mean, they really hammer home like if you're a
if you're a fat person, you're basically a piece of
shit and you deserve They get insulted every time you
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leave the house. You're gonna at three hundred pounds, You're
gonna break every piece of furniture you sit on.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
You're gonna order five different pounds of something at a thing.
But you know what the best part is the one
who probably is the most insulting is Jason Alexander. Yeah,
by the way, ain't ain't no treat to look at himself? No,
it has a fucking tail.
Speaker 3 (08:51):
Literal to and Jack Black.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
I mean that's true. Well that's true. But here's the thing.
You almost kind of fall into Jack Black's charm, even
though he is shallow howe. But I don't know, so
I can't even imagine Gwyneth Paltrow, who's already won the
oscar by now right short, actually almost hot off the
oscar from Shakespeare in Love. Yeah, I don't know how
you read something like that and think.
Speaker 1 (09:13):
Oh, she said she regrets doing it, since everyone should.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
Can I tell you? And let me tell you what
she probably regrets the most. When they finally reveal the
real Rosie. That is some of the worst makeup I
have ever seen. They have no chin No, they made
her look so worse, was awful.
Speaker 3 (09:33):
I fear that I'm falling into like I'm going against
the point of why like the actual good part of
what they were trying to say in this movie. But
who wore it better? Her or Eddie Murphy in the
Nutty Professor.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
Nutty Professor was a lot more believable they showed when
they would turn her in. This is the worst part.
And I don't know if you guys noticed it, but
you could tell that it was mainly a suit with
makeup because the way her hands are in the like wear,
that suit is like her hands, so there's no prosthetics
or anything, so it's like these little hands where it's
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almost like she just shoved her in this couch cushion
thing and they thought that was good enough.
Speaker 3 (10:13):
I actually didn't recognize that, and I might go back
and watch it just you should.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
It was funny.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
It reminded me of Kristin Wiggs thing.
Speaker 3 (10:21):
They yeah, that's.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
What reminded me of because when she's talking to him,
it's her hands, but she looks like they like put
six pillows in like entertain and I'm like, this is
so embarrassing.
Speaker 3 (10:33):
Can I ask an opening question? Because I do have
the unique perspective of I watched this for the first
time in twenty five and so a lot of things
that I was just like making notes of, like curiosities
as I went through it. Here's my main question. In
two thousand and one, you both saw this right when
it came out?
Speaker 1 (10:52):
Yes, was this funny? Then I'm gonna say I had
a generally favorable approach to the film, Okay, feelings about
I thought it was funny. I for the record, I
was fifteen years old.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
Yeah, let's let's start saying that we're too stupid to realize.
Speaker 1 (11:11):
I love Jack Black. I thought he was one of
the funniest people on earth. And I probably found myself thinking,
as a dumbass teenager, like, wow, that's you know, it's
really funny. But it has a great message about inner beauty.
And I could see myself thinking that as an idiotic teenager.
But I definitely had a favorable impression of it.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
I'm going to say yes because I bought the DVD.
Speaker 3 (11:37):
Okay, well, that speaks for ussel now I sold it.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
I think maybe at a subrosyard. So so so, I
haven't had it a long time. In case someone's trying
to cancel me, I haven't had it in years. But
but yeah, I think fairly brothers you think that they're cool,
and Jack Black and with with Paltrow and just Stony's point,
I think you're I think in our minds at the time,
it's like, man, they're real kind of you know, have
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adding some depth that it's it's not about physical appearance
or anything like that. And this is a This is
like one of the best cases of sometimes you're just
you're just young and dumb.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
Absolutely, and you don't have like the pushback. I could
so see if I was forty years old in two
thousand and one and look at that and think you've
got to be kidding me that Fairly brothers think that
this is funny enough.
Speaker 3 (12:33):
I did, sure, I did wonder that from like a
cultural standpoint, did people think, I mean, we're making fun
of it. It's a bad movie. But but they were
trying to like say something about the way we see people.
And in two thousand and one, was this like generally
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accepted as like, oh, yeah, we should. I mean, you
guys are saying there was pushback. I don't remember that
much of that.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
It was controversy to.
Speaker 1 (13:01):
It, but it was only after people had gone to
see the film, right, I mean, it had been out
for a couple of weeks and then the group started
forming saying it's misogynistic, it's not right all this stuff, and.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
Which I mean, it's it's right there in plain sight.
I mean, really, it's not. I mean they're not trying
to hide it or anything. I think it's just one
of those that it's it is two thousand and one.
I think that they think that their attempt is good enough.
But a lot of their jokes, which I'll be honest,
a lot of stuff is not that funny to me.
But if it, but if it was, it's usually at
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the expense of they're mainly talking about ugly and fat people.
They're not talking about any anybody else in that. And
I still like, I I chuckled because I'm supposed to
believe Jack Black and Jason Alexander.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
On like being ladies mess yeah and that.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
And then like they can totally get these hot chicks, Like.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
I did laugh fit Jack Black's dance moves in the court.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
But that's I don't think he's changed the thing. I
think that's how we did.
Speaker 1 (14:05):
Yeah, I think that's what I will say.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
I did laugh at so Jason's Jason Alexander's things not
that but not I mean they were mean, but the
way that sometimes he would like the things he would
use to describe it was funny, but also like, it's
Jason Alexander, Like I I couldn't want past that.
Speaker 1 (14:26):
I got to thinking about that. I mean, what else
he's known from from Seinfeld? Obviously, I honestly can't remember
another a single other thing that he did. I'm going
to defer to you on this one, Brandon.
Speaker 2 (14:41):
Well, I don't really know much, but I do remember
him being in a in a pretty famous movie I
think before Seinfeld, but I couldn't but I couldn't tell
you what it is. I'd have to look at up.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
It just seems like an odd but seems a little
out of place.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
In this instance.
Speaker 3 (14:56):
I think it's definitely like, here's George.
Speaker 1 (15:01):
In this movie, yeah, like that was the billing, but
he's friends with how Pretty woman.
Speaker 2 (15:08):
He's in pretty Well, Okay.
Speaker 1 (15:10):
He looks like he's like ten years older than how
So it's there's like a I don't know, the whole
dynamic was weird.
Speaker 3 (15:16):
While we're talking about him and his name's Mauricio. By
the way, I mean, that's a thing.
Speaker 2 (15:20):
Too that also seems offensive in a lot of ways.
But he.
Speaker 3 (15:26):
As the movie went on, I was like, oh, this
is a bit because they pointed out at the end
his fake hair is so bad that at first I
thought it was just really bad makeup from two thousand
and one because they never really pointed out. And then
at the end he starts like losing some of it
and they comment on it. But at first I thought
that was kind of like the tiny hands thing that
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y'all are talking about.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (15:49):
I That's one of the things I remembered is that
it showed the like he he had all these opinions
about people, which to fairly brothers credit, I guess is
that somebody who's calling out all of these kind of
imperfections on people, and then he like, not only is
it hair, but he has a tail. I mean I
do think, I mean obviously that that is intentional.
Speaker 1 (16:10):
To me that the tale was the most memorable thing
about this movie. It was like, it was, that's the
movie where Jason Alexander has a tail.
Speaker 3 (16:19):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
Jason Alexander's also in dungeedon checks in how Dare You
I do?
Speaker 1 (16:23):
Man? We need to talk about it.
Speaker 2 (16:24):
Do you remember him in that?
Speaker 1 (16:25):
Actually, that's another one we need to revisit to see
if we like it as forty year olds.
Speaker 2 (16:30):
And blank man, blank man, there we go. If he's
done good, he was in Coneheads.
Speaker 1 (16:36):
He's had a good career. Good for him, then Jacob's ladder,
got to make got to make shallow?
Speaker 2 (16:40):
How yep? Do we good for him?
Speaker 1 (16:43):
Do you guys think that this movie would be memorable
at all if not for the controversy and the backlash.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
That it fished, it would only be remembered in the
way we're remember it now and just how awful it
was and how why what could you possibly have read
that made you think, oh this is this is meaningful
stuff here, this is funny.
Speaker 3 (17:08):
Would it be memorable in the way that we remember
it as the movie I wasn't allowed to see as
a teenager.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
That's the only reason it's Yeah, that's true, that's true.
That is it sleepover, sleep nights.
Speaker 1 (17:19):
Sleepover, Yeah, which we're gonna we're gonna rewatch has grown.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
That's the only reason. Yeah, that's the only reason. I
I remember this one as much.
Speaker 3 (17:28):
I would almost put money on that rewatching Sleepover. I
will enjoy it more than Shallow How.
Speaker 2 (17:33):
I honestly I think I will too.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
I think I will too.
Speaker 2 (17:36):
And I remember hating Sleepover because some brother dances in
high heels or something. I thought so stupid. But honestly,
I have a feeling that when we come back, I'm
gonna say, you know what sleepover in the Brutalist.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
Yeah, yes, yeah, that's gonna be a fun episode to
look forward to. Uh to that one. But yeah, I
mean you guys might be right, like we have a
very very personal story and inside joke that's been going
on for this point twenty four years about this film.
There there are people that might be pressing play on
this podcast that are just like, I don't remember what
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Shallow How is at all?
Speaker 2 (18:13):
Go watch it? Yeah, I dare.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
You even better? Pay three ninety nine for it on
Amazon Prime.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
Yeah he paid for it too.
Speaker 1 (18:21):
Yes, my uh, we were so we were watching it.
I I have not seen Wicked yet, and my wife
loves it. It's one of her favorite films that she's.
Speaker 3 (18:30):
Got get the same bread over saying she's seen in
a while and big Wicked stand here. Yeah we were
you know, a peak behind the curtains. This episode is
going to be released quite some time since we've recorded it.
We're recording this before our annual Oscars live stream. So
the night before the Oscars, my wife wants to show
me Wicked, and I'm like.
Speaker 1 (18:51):
I gotta watch Shallow Howe because we're doing a podcast
that like, I gotta, you know, make that, make my notes,
find some things to talk about, and uh, make sure
that I rewatch it so it's fresh so we can
have a good episode.
Speaker 3 (19:04):
We get that's called Dedication to the Craft, by the way.
Speaker 1 (19:07):
Thank you. We get maybe twenty minutes into the movie
and we're we're in Shallow, how Wicked, Shallow Shallow checking Shallow,
how one over Wicked, and my wife we've been silent
the whole time, just watching the film. My wife rolls
rolls over and said, you picked this over Wicked, and
then she said I'm going to sleep and literally just
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rolled over, and a few minutes later I heard her
snoring and was like, I'm on my own here for
the rest of this movie.
Speaker 2 (19:34):
My wife was reading on her phone, and every now
and then she would just say, is this so stupid?
She's not wrong, No, she's not wrong, And when I
did laugh, I would just be like ah Man two
thousand and one humor, well live and well.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
Can we uh Brett, did you watch this one alone?
Or did you watch this one with your wife?
Speaker 3 (19:55):
I effectively watched it alone. I watched it on my
phone yesterday morning while my kids were playing video games
in the room next to me. At points was like
making breakfast for them as it was going on next
to me. Okay, I mean that's how I made it
through at points, was to be doing something else simultaneously.
Speaker 2 (20:15):
But you didn't get to see it on the big screen.
Speaker 3 (20:17):
No, I am sad that in two thousand and one,
I missed it on Imax.
Speaker 2 (20:23):
But oh yeah, oh yeah, and they had they had
a rosy popcorn bucket you can buy.
Speaker 1 (20:30):
It's just.
Speaker 3 (20:32):
What it was.
Speaker 2 (20:36):
Just tips. Thanks for asking. Yeah, but little hands right
next to it where you can pick it.
Speaker 1 (20:43):
Up the handles with little hands, with little hands makes
perfect sense.
Speaker 2 (20:47):
This shallow at the bottom.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
What do we What do we make of the idea
that this whole thing was put into motion because of
a chance encounter with Tony Robbins in an elevator? Was
that real Robins in.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
The movie in the movie, that's how this came about him?
Like excuse me. That was real.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
The Fairly Brothers bumped into Tony Robbins and he was like, hey,
I got this idea for a movie where.
Speaker 2 (21:13):
I don't know. I don't really respect Tony Robbins either,
Damn sorry. I think he's a bit of a sham.
Speaker 3 (21:21):
But I don't know if that's a stray that he's catching.
That may just be a direct shot. But you're going in.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
On to Robins there there.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
There's some stuff that came out about him a few
years ago that made me kind of question what he's
built his reputation on. But I mean, he's still selling
books and shit again.
Speaker 3 (21:40):
Can we do like a like a ten part series
on Tony Robbins, like a dramatic.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
So there was a documentary that was pretty good, But
then I want to think something came out within this
me too movement and then it started getting into kind
of the things that he was doing. It's sort of
like practice what you preach but not but he wasn't
really doing it. I don't know. Maybe he started off
great and maybe he's gone downhill. I don't know. I do.
Speaker 3 (22:11):
I do have an important Tony Robbins question, which, by
the way, I liked the My note was Tony Robbins
was the fairy godmother in this. Yes, yes he plays that.
Speaker 2 (22:21):
But what I like is all it takes is Jason
Alexander to go up to him and then he's like, well,
I mean if it hurts him at his job, Like, yes,
I mean this. If so, it's I go figure. I
guess that It reminds me of Adam Sandler's cameo stuff,
like with Shaq I. They get this on like famous
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person that's really shouldn't be an actor, but he is.
I just feel like Fairly Brothers just tried to do it.
Speaker 3 (22:47):
My question is, and I feel like this is the
reason people listen to this kind of thing. There was
another like guru that was like a health and fitness
guy that I feel like. His name was Tony two
who had a ponytail.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (23:02):
I don't know, but that's who I thought Tony Robbins was.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
He was always on those elliptical machines and he had
a ponytail through a cap. Yes, I thought you were
going to say, Richard Simmons.
Speaker 1 (23:12):
Richard Simmons, Yeah, oh did he die?
Speaker 2 (23:15):
Yeah, but Tony, it is a Tony something. But he
was always on those ellipticals.
Speaker 3 (23:21):
Yes, that's who I thought Tony Robbins was until I did.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
Tony Robbins is the great colleague's cousin.
Speaker 1 (23:31):
Do you think he He was like, Yeah, I'm only
going to do this. I'm only going to do this
film if you talk about how big my hands and
feet are and make sure it's implied that I have a.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
Massive, massive dick, if you could throw that in along
with the fat suits and little.
Speaker 3 (23:50):
Hands, say something about banana hans several times the script.
Speaker 2 (23:55):
Yeah, can I get into what probably made me the
most pissed? Well, of course, yeah, almost not. Have I
seen this since eighty eight minutes, which is an old
and old al Pacino movie. Jack Black's hair through this
movie changes and it's so stupid, But I want to
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know who who was keeping up with continuity because there's
times where he has his hair slicked like Vince McMahon,
and then there's times where it's shaggy and combed over,
kind of what we're used to seeing, and then it
seems like it was kind of a mixture between the two,
and then it seemed like it's like then when we
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go back towards the end, did it look like what
it was at the beginning when he was at the bar,
Like it was so stupid that I would turn to
my wife and I'm like, what are they doing with
his fucking hair? Because from scene to scene, like it
was pretty like straightforward, and then all of a sudden,
I remember when they go on that trip with what's
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his name, he's crawling around and stuff. Yeah, but like
his hair is totally different. It's almost like he got
his hair cut and then they had to reshoot stuff,
but they're like, ah, we'll just comb it to the
side a little bit. It really bigs the hell out
of me.
Speaker 1 (25:18):
It's almost like they just didn't pay attention to any
of the details for this.
Speaker 2 (25:21):
I'm starting to think this wasn't a well made movie.
Speaker 1 (25:23):
And if you go back, I made a note of this.
You can go back to the office scene at the
very beginning of the film when Jack Black is talking
to his Tenacious D bandmate and the woman in.
Speaker 2 (25:34):
The office yes, yes, yeah, Jack Black.
Speaker 1 (25:37):
When when it's showing him, it sounds like he's coming
through a microphone, but when the other two talk, it
sounds like somebody just put like a yetti blue on
the table and press record. And they're coming through It
is the most jarring thing. And like I see that
and I'm like, it just pisses me off when I
go on letterbox and I see somebody say, but I'm
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a technical standpoint. This is a very well made, beautifully
shot films. This is awful.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
Why wouldn't people take offense when that one scene where
they're celebrating its promotion and Rosie takes half the cake
a pizza. I'm just like, this would people like be like,
come on, guys.
Speaker 1 (26:16):
This is this is what a fat person would do.
Speaker 2 (26:19):
Oh you haven't seen that? Oh yeah, every time they
come in they take half about five pounds of cake
and walk out and be like you want to play?
Speaker 3 (26:26):
Yeah, we talked about this, but I don't know that
there's a version of this movie that you make that's
that much better. But I think there's a version of
the story that's done better than this.
Speaker 1 (26:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (26:43):
Well, or one of my notes was, is this Shrek
like this movie Shrek is?
Speaker 1 (26:52):
Well, yeah, I mean.
Speaker 3 (26:55):
He sees her as she truly is, and you know
this whole like transformation shot thing, and.
Speaker 2 (27:01):
That also came out in two thousand and one.
Speaker 1 (27:03):
It did.
Speaker 2 (27:04):
Yeah, so somebody did so I guess you could say
that Shallow Howe is a live action. In that case,
I'm gonna buy the DVD again.
Speaker 3 (27:14):
But things like eating half the cake or ordering four
hamburgers at the restaurant.
Speaker 2 (27:19):
Like chugging I've the biggest flip and milkshake God's ever
made again, and breaking, like you said, break every furniture
and one of them was like, what's this made of?
He's like steel, stainless stainless steel. I also like that
while his like while the discovery of who Rosie really is,
when Jason Alexander kind of breaks the the hypnotizing part
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that the waitress is just a man dressed up as
a woman, I'm just like, it's just so lazy. It's
so lazy.
Speaker 3 (27:51):
There is maybe one profound moment in this movie, if you've.
Speaker 1 (27:55):
Got one, I would like to hear it.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
Okay, I bet you I know what it is, but
go ahead, let me see if the.
Speaker 3 (27:59):
Friend and the friend who has spine. That was the
only part that I laughed. They said something about, this
isn't the profound moment, and maybe I shouldn't have even
laughed at that, but they said something about him like
crawling around like in a very very derogatory way, and
he was like, he has spin Like, but this stood
out to me. Everybody that he sees when he's hypnotized
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by Tony Robbins is beautiful men or women. Lee Boy,
the other guy. That guy always stays the same because
he was ugly on the inside too. So that's the
part that actually stood out to me, is like, oh,
that was actually kind of clear.
Speaker 2 (28:38):
Oh I didn't think of it that way because Jason
Lexander doesn't change either.
Speaker 3 (28:42):
But he's ugly too.
Speaker 2 (28:44):
Bingo. I see, so the well, and I guess part
of it is because of the women. I guess he
is being a womanizer even though he has that. Yes, yeah,
it doesn't.
Speaker 3 (28:54):
How many how many stars do you add to it
for that?
Speaker 2 (28:58):
I thought you were gonna say when he talks to
the little girl that actually was burned.
Speaker 1 (29:04):
Yes, yeah, but.
Speaker 2 (29:07):
I actually I actually thought that that was even unnecessary
because you can't you can't make a shit story like
this and then try to gain some kind of emotional
points because of a little girl. I thought that was
actually even worse than just you know, not even including
it at all. So that didn't work for me.
Speaker 1 (29:28):
So before we get on out, of here this episode,
this has been fun.
Speaker 2 (29:31):
It's started with me blaming my good friend's father too.
I wish I would have known then what I know now?
Speaker 1 (29:41):
What do you guys think is the best Fairly Brothers movie?
Speaker 3 (29:46):
Oh, I've got my I was actually gonna visit this
and say they are goaded in my book, regardless of
this because of Dumb and Number.
Speaker 1 (29:55):
Same here, Yeah, me too, and looking looking at their filmography,
Shallow Howe feels like the first crack in the armor
where it's like things really kind of go south. After
Shallow Howe, they do stuck on you fever, Pitch. I
did not realize that I didn't even know the movie
The Heartbreak Kid.
Speaker 2 (30:16):
I didn't like that. When the Ben Steeler movie I
liked Hall Pass, Hall Pass was fine.
Speaker 1 (30:20):
The Three Stooges and Dumb and Dumber two when that
was unforgivable. So basically, Dumb and Dumber and Peter and
Bobby have gone off and done their their own things,
Peter obviously gaining. I guess you would call it notoriety
again for Green Book and that kind of being He
won an oscar. He won an oscar. People don't think
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that movie? Yeah, did win Peter was also the director
for Ricky Stanicki The Greatest Beer Run ever. Champions in
recent years, not a great track record since those early days. Man,
they were on a run starting with Dumb and Dummer
in ninety four, Kingpin in ninety six. There's something about
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Mary in ninety eight, and then me myself and Irene
in two thousand. Also, I did not realize that they
did Osmosis.
Speaker 2 (31:10):
Jones I Dumb and Dumber, and there's something about Mary
will keep them, yeah, getting opportunityes and my well yeah,
but also just going to say, in my heart of
those are still some of the best comedies ever made,
but they clearly are They clearly have lost their their touch.
Speaker 3 (31:31):
It's almost like a nineties Adam Sandler or maybe Jim
Carrey Ryan of like just yeah, knocking out the park
over and over and over and then all of a
sudden something happens and it's not called mister Penguins.
Speaker 1 (31:43):
I mean you think about it, like Dumb and Dumber, Kingpinn.
There's something about Mary three, myself and Irene over the
course of six years that you know, it's no wonder
that they started to get that billing as like, oh
the latest comedy from the Fairly Brothers.
Speaker 2 (31:57):
Yeah, you put directors of two of those three.
Speaker 1 (32:01):
But Shallow Howe was Shallow Howe and Stuck on You
back to back.
Speaker 2 (32:07):
I remember hating Stuck on You. That was so oh
that was that was tough to sit through, but I
get But yeah, this Shallow how experience has changed my
life forever because I have a feeling I probably can
go and watch all the other Fairly brother stuff after
Shallow Howe and think, damn, why haven't they been nominated more?
Speaker 1 (32:26):
Yeah? For real?
Speaker 3 (32:27):
Who is with Matt Damon and Stuck on You?
Speaker 1 (32:29):
Who is Greg Caneer? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (32:32):
And share was in it?
Speaker 1 (32:34):
Do you guys want to take a guess of what
Shallow how is on Rotten Tomatoes?
Speaker 3 (32:40):
I already know, so I won't say, Brandon, do you
want to take it? I'm going to say thirty eight
forty nine. That's too high.
Speaker 2 (32:46):
That is too high, that's almost even.
Speaker 3 (32:49):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (32:49):
I gave it. I gave it one out of five
stars on Letterbox.
Speaker 3 (32:52):
Yeah, and that's about where i'd be.
Speaker 2 (32:54):
That is so yeah, that's about one one and a half.
Maybe because Jason Alexander had.
Speaker 1 (33:01):
A tail this uh yeah, that is one star the
popcorn Meter is actually lower for this forty five percent.
I cannot think that audiences were lower on this than
the critics.
Speaker 2 (33:14):
Is it newer though it could be?
Speaker 1 (33:16):
Yeah, I mean this is there's only one hundred and
thirty four reviews on here.
Speaker 2 (33:21):
Well that's yeah, Well I bet most people probably watched
it and thought, I don't even want to write about it.
Speaker 1 (33:27):
See, I'm going to look through some of the fresh reviews.
Romantic comedy is pretty Tame for the Fairly Brothers, A
sweet romantic comedy that rises above its moments of lowest
common denominator humor to offer a positive message about love
and perception.
Speaker 2 (33:42):
I don't I don't think it does as good of
a job as people think or remember.
Speaker 3 (33:47):
No, and I was going to say, I think you
said this earlier. We can recognize the problems. We don't
have to do a deep dive on that. But one
thing that stood out to me again seeing it for
the first time, Yeah, is even the in the movie.
Through the framework of the movie, the ugly people who
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are beautiful in his eyes, once he's under this spell,
he still is only attracted to them because of their
physical beauty. He's not learning in that in that instance
to appreciate the people for who they are.
Speaker 2 (34:24):
But I feel like they just chalk it up to
the end where he finally does see or for who
she is and acts like he's still he is. You know,
his breath has been taken away of how beautiful she
really is. And the thing is Jack Black can't can't
get the women he wants. Yeah, maybe in real life,
but not this.
Speaker 3 (34:42):
I do have a burning almost makes me not like.
Speaker 2 (34:44):
Jack Black in real life. That's how much this is effected.
Speaker 3 (34:47):
But you know Jack, I was thinking, Jack Black is
just keeps rolling because he did the Mario movie, which
I'm just thinking, like for the next generation my kids
love and there they are busting at the seams and
see the mind are they?
Speaker 1 (35:00):
Are they old enough for School of Rock? Yet? You
think maybe it was? Probably that was one that we
just showed my nephew a couple of years ago when
he was ten, So there's twenty twenty three. We showed
him School of Rock because he was starting to get
into like, really liked all the old bands, Nirvana and
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stuff from the eighties and stuff like that, Guns N' Roses,
and so we showed him School of Rock and he
just loved it for that summer, and then after that
was just like I think they old and cool for
this now, but.
Speaker 3 (35:32):
They appreciate Nacho Lebra, which feels like a similar age
age range between those two.
Speaker 2 (35:38):
You want to know to bring this full circle, when
will you let your children watch Shallow Hell?
Speaker 1 (35:43):
Better? Yet?
Speaker 3 (35:44):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (35:44):
Answer that I.
Speaker 3 (35:45):
Won't because it's so bad, Because it's a bad movie.
Speaker 2 (35:49):
Better you'll think something's raunchy or there is nudity, and
they'll find out No, it's just it's just a shitty movie.
Speaker 1 (35:55):
Yes, yes, when are you going to force your father
to watch this?
Speaker 2 (35:59):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (36:00):
Maybe we can watch it on the way to Metallity
on your phone, on your phone. Yes, I do have
one burning pop culture question which this may not be
a good lasting impression for this movie. So along came
Polly famously introduced the term sharp. Yeah did this movie
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introduce cankeles?
Speaker 1 (36:23):
I caught the same thing. I'm glad you broke that.
You brought that up, because that was I don't know
it could have been it could have been.
Speaker 2 (36:33):
I don't think so.
Speaker 1 (36:36):
There was another You need to go take an app
board again.
Speaker 2 (36:41):
I I mean, I guess I knew the term before
they said it, but I mean, you knew what it was.
And I guess if you base that off of like
Phillip symer Hoffin and along came probably like I had
never heard that term, that something like that had a name.
Speaker 3 (36:56):
Yes, that that literally I think changed the three of
our lives.
Speaker 2 (37:01):
Yeah, you know you could still do it at our age.
Now it makes sense.
Speaker 1 (37:06):
I felt bad for him actually do it.
Speaker 2 (37:08):
Yeah, I felt bad for him because I'm like, oh,
this is what he's talmout. Well, that's one of the
best I we just watched that not too long ago,
and I miss I miss Hoffman.
Speaker 1 (37:19):
Yeah, one of the greats shout out.
Speaker 2 (37:24):
On a Shallow Howe podcast.
Speaker 1 (37:26):
But any any parting thoughts, bred anything, any final words
that you would like to say, final questions you would
like to pose about Shallow Howe before we get on
out of here.
Speaker 3 (37:36):
I just want to note again, don't know if this
is a good thing or a bad thing. The nice
restaurant is called Macintosh's. Oh yeah, maybe I can get
my dad to watch based on that.
Speaker 2 (37:46):
That's true. I just am glad to clear up this
confusion we've had for yeah, over two decades, and the
fact that we can all sit here in agreement. Today
is is fantastic.
Speaker 1 (38:00):
That's exactly what I was going to say. This episode
felt like closure after all these years, this inside joke
between us. Now we can air it all out.
Speaker 3 (38:09):
The world is healing.
Speaker 1 (38:10):
The world is healing. That's going to do it for
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mister big shot himself, Brandon Vick. Brandon, how you doing today,
my man?
Speaker 2 (01:21):
I'm doing pretty good. Something smells like trash. It's been
sitting at your sun for a few days.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
Did you did you poot again? You didn't? I don't care.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
Let me check my cookie monster Boxers.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
Okay, that's that is you do that. I'm going to
introduce our other friend here joining us. You might remember
him from the Vick Flicks podcast where we talked about
that musical joker movie Last Fall. He's our buddy, Brett. Brett,
how are you doing today?
Speaker 3 (01:49):
You know, I I thought that may come across as weird,
and it's not.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
I promise.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
I've thought, since this is a movie review, rewind that
I can do a rewound character from around the time
like that that this movie we're talking about today came out.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
I picked up on that. I was going to ask you,
are you getting festive contemporary with Shallow House?
Speaker 3 (02:09):
Thank you getting in the spirit?
Speaker 1 (02:11):
Yes, so we're here to talk about Shallow How and
I did not even look up what year it came
out before we started this podcast. Was two thousand and one.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
Yeah, two thousand and one, I believe, now I'm going I.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
Was going to say two thousand and three, but that's
probably right.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
Well, don't worry, guys, Yeah, two thousand and one.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
It was back when everyone had a sense of humor.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
Yeah you could, you could, You could really make jokes back.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
You could really just make jokes.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
And just open openly hate fat people.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
Exactly.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
It was acceptable in two thousand, you know.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
What, not an ounce of embarrassment.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
No, it was just a national pastime in the country.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
Yeah, we're trying to make it. We're it's making a comeback.
We're trying.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
So if I, if I understand the premise of this
film correctly, it is trying to assert that fat people
and disabled people deserve love.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
That they're pretty too, and.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
That all pretty people are actually ugly on the inside.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
Ugly and old and frail.
Speaker 1 (03:08):
Yes. Yeah, so you might be wondering to yourself, why
on earth would you guys subject yourself to rewatching Shallow
How all these years later? But I promise you all
there's a there's a very distinct reason that I will
pass the baton to Brandon think to start this little
session of story time on the movie podcast.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
I have been giving my dear friend Brett Shitt since
the day that I found out why he was not
allowed to go see Shallow How in theaters all these
years ago, And it was basically his father did not
want him to go see this movie because of the themes
of it.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
I don't know that I ever really remember the reason?
Why was that accurate? Brett? It was?
Speaker 3 (03:56):
I think so, but I think watching it, and I
guess I can say this on the front end, there
were moments I was like, oh, that's the thing right there,
I remember, but he had but.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
Listen, he never saw it. No, so we're all so
he's going off previews, yes, all right?
Speaker 3 (04:14):
And and I was thinking about this going in, like
was I allowed to see things that were worse than this?
And the answer is yes, I'm sure that I was,
because other like PG thirteen movies or whatever would have
been a lot.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
Of these, and that was the one thing is that
it was PG thirteen, So I'm like, why wouldn't you?
And of course Jack Black and the Fairly Brothers from.
Speaker 3 (04:34):
I think, yeah, I think that because I remember this
from the preview and I remember it when I was
watching it. There's a scene where what's Gwyneth Paltrow's character's name,
Rosemary is getting undressed in front of him while he's
in the bed and he shooting and it's showing like
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from behind, and I remember that scene being in the previews,
and I think he saw that probably and was like,
my son ain't saying that's well, but it was Gwyneth Paltrow.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
How oh, well there was a real surprise when you
saw the movie.
Speaker 3 (05:12):
Then yeah, yeah, so I think that much. I think
just thinking it was like over. I mean, it is sexualized,
but more so even than it is.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
Maybe well, and I always thought I remember like saying,
we're like, oh, you know, this movie is getting a
bad rap because it's making fun of heavy set people.
But the whole point is that, you know, look at
the inner beauty. It's not all about the physical appearance
and everything. But I will let I also want to
go on record and say that it's watching this now
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and I have not seen it in years and years
and years. I would stand shoulder to shoulder with your father,
and it has nothing to do with his reasons. But
this is just a bad movie. And almost see every
aspect of that you would critique a movie, from performances
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to humor to even this the whole message like they
don't even do a good job of showing you in
her beauty. And I thought, no, God, this was a
I think we might all be in agreement, but I
will tell you there is no chance in hell I
would watch it again.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
Yeah. That was the last time I watched it. See
there's there's a line in the beginning of the film
that Hal's dad tells him when he's on his deathbed,
and he says something about find a woman with a
good can and a great pair of tatas, and it'll
put you in good standing with the Lord. And I
remember thinking, like, that seems pretty off putting to uh.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
But in all fairness, that wasn't in the trailer.
Speaker 3 (06:38):
It wasn't in the trailer, And I do want to clarify,
I don't think that it was anything about like this
idea of like making fun of people for being overweight.
I don't think any of that was the reason. I
think it was this you were allowed to do that? Yeah, yeah,
for sure, I think that. I think that it was
the idea of it being super sexualized or something.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
And I don't think I ever knew that. I don't
think I ever I don't think that was ever even
brought up. Or maybe I just didn't listen, and just
to fit my narrative, I just thought, well, why why
can't we listen? Why can't a group of guys go
to the theater and laugh at fat people? I just
don't understand them. And I could not fathom.
Speaker 3 (07:20):
That what what more like pure and virtuous form of
fun was there in two thousand and.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
One, exactly exactly I saw.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
There were some fun letterboxed reviews. One of them said
this was the second worst thing to happen in the
fall of two thousand and one.
Speaker 3 (07:37):
Oh, I'm glad you said that because I saw that too,
but was a little bit hesitant to say it out
loud on this podcast. But I was entertained by it too.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
But then there was another one that, like somebody said, wow,
the cinematography and editing, like from a filmmaking aspect, this
was a very clean, perfect film, And I'm like, what
are you what what are we doing here? We're breaking
down shallow how like it's Scorsese or something.
Speaker 3 (08:02):
Well, like like any social media there are people in
letterbox that shouldn't be allowed to have the Internet.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
Yeah, to she Toche. So I remember at the time
there was some pushback on this film for it being
so misogynistic, and I mean it it really is just
I mean, they really hammer home like if you're a
if you're a fat person, you're basically a piece of
shit and you deserve They get insulted every time you
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leave the house. You're gonna at three hundred pounds, You're
gonna break every piece of furniture you sit on.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
You're gonna order five different pounds of something at a thing.
But you know what the best part is the one
who probably is the most insulting is Jason Alexander. Yeah,
by the way, ain't ain't no treat to look at himself? No,
it has a fucking tail.
Speaker 3 (08:51):
Literal to and Jack Black.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
I mean that's true. Well that's true. But here's the thing.
You almost kind of fall into Jack Black's charm, even
though he is shallow howe. But I don't know, so
I can't even imagine Gwyneth Paltrow, who's already won the
oscar by now right short, actually almost hot off the
oscar from Shakespeare in Love. Yeah, I don't know how
you read something like that and think.
Speaker 1 (09:13):
Oh, she said she regrets doing it, since everyone should.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
Can I tell you? And let me tell you what
she probably regrets the most. When they finally reveal the
real Rosie. That is some of the worst makeup I
have ever seen. They have no chin No, they made
her look so worse, was awful.
Speaker 3 (09:33):
I fear that I'm falling into like I'm going against
the point of why like the actual good part of
what they were trying to say in this movie. But
who wore it better? Her or Eddie Murphy in the
Nutty Professor.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
Nutty Professor was a lot more believable they showed when
they would turn her in. This is the worst part.
And I don't know if you guys noticed it, but
you could tell that it was mainly a suit with
makeup because the way her hands are in the like wear,
that suit is like her hands, so there's no prosthetics
or anything, so it's like these little hands where it's
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almost like she just shoved her in this couch cushion
thing and they thought that was good enough.
Speaker 3 (10:13):
I actually didn't recognize that, and I might go back
and watch it just you should.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
It was funny.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
It reminded me of Kristin Wiggs thing.
Speaker 3 (10:21):
They yeah, that's.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
What reminded me of because when she's talking to him,
it's her hands, but she looks like they like put
six pillows in like entertain and I'm like, this is
so embarrassing.
Speaker 3 (10:33):
Can I ask an opening question? Because I do have
the unique perspective of I watched this for the first
time in twenty five and so a lot of things
that I was just like making notes of, like curiosities
as I went through it. Here's my main question. In
two thousand and one, you both saw this right when
it came out?
Speaker 1 (10:52):
Yes, was this funny? Then I'm gonna say I had
a generally favorable approach to the film, Okay, feelings about
I thought it was funny. I for the record, I
was fifteen years old.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
Yeah, let's let's start saying that we're too stupid to realize.
Speaker 1 (11:11):
I love Jack Black. I thought he was one of
the funniest people on earth. And I probably found myself thinking,
as a dumbass teenager, like, wow, that's you know, it's
really funny. But it has a great message about inner beauty.
And I could see myself thinking that as an idiotic teenager.
But I definitely had a favorable impression of it.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
I'm going to say yes because I bought the DVD.
Speaker 3 (11:37):
Okay, well, that speaks for ussel now I sold it.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
I think maybe at a subrosyard. So so so, I
haven't had it a long time. In case someone's trying
to cancel me, I haven't had it in years. But
but yeah, I think fairly brothers you think that they're cool,
and Jack Black and with with Paltrow and just Stony's point,
I think you're I think in our minds at the time,
it's like, man, they're real kind of you know, have
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adding some depth that it's it's not about physical appearance
or anything like that. And this is a This is
like one of the best cases of sometimes you're just
you're just young and dumb.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
Absolutely, and you don't have like the pushback. I could
so see if I was forty years old in two
thousand and one and look at that and think you've
got to be kidding me that Fairly brothers think that
this is funny enough.
Speaker 3 (12:33):
I did, sure, I did wonder that from like a
cultural standpoint, did people think, I mean, we're making fun
of it. It's a bad movie. But but they were
trying to like say something about the way we see people.
And in two thousand and one, was this like generally
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accepted as like, oh, yeah, we should. I mean, you
guys are saying there was pushback. I don't remember that
much of that.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
It was controversy to.
Speaker 1 (13:01):
It, but it was only after people had gone to
see the film, right, I mean, it had been out
for a couple of weeks and then the group started
forming saying it's misogynistic, it's not right all this stuff, and.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
Which I mean, it's it's right there in plain sight.
I mean, really, it's not. I mean they're not trying
to hide it or anything. I think it's just one
of those that it's it is two thousand and one.
I think that they think that their attempt is good enough.
But a lot of their jokes, which I'll be honest,
a lot of stuff is not that funny to me.
But if it, but if it was, it's usually at
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the expense of they're mainly talking about ugly and fat people.
They're not talking about any anybody else in that. And
I still like, I I chuckled because I'm supposed to
believe Jack Black and Jason Alexander.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
On like being ladies mess yeah and that.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
And then like they can totally get these hot chicks, Like.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
I did laugh fit Jack Black's dance moves in the court.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
But that's I don't think he's changed the thing. I
think that's how we did.
Speaker 1 (14:05):
Yeah, I think that's what I will say.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
I did laugh at so Jason's Jason Alexander's things not
that but not I mean they were mean, but the
way that sometimes he would like the things he would
use to describe it was funny, but also like, it's
Jason Alexander, Like I I couldn't want past that.
Speaker 1 (14:26):
I got to thinking about that. I mean, what else
he's known from from Seinfeld? Obviously, I honestly can't remember
another a single other thing that he did. I'm going
to defer to you on this one, Brandon.
Speaker 2 (14:41):
Well, I don't really know much, but I do remember
him being in a in a pretty famous movie I
think before Seinfeld, but I couldn't but I couldn't tell
you what it is. I'd have to look at up.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
It just seems like an odd but seems a little
out of place.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
In this instance.
Speaker 3 (14:56):
I think it's definitely like, here's George.
Speaker 1 (15:01):
In this movie, yeah, like that was the billing, but
he's friends with how Pretty woman.
Speaker 2 (15:08):
He's in pretty Well, Okay.
Speaker 1 (15:10):
He looks like he's like ten years older than how
So it's there's like a I don't know, the whole
dynamic was weird.
Speaker 3 (15:16):
While we're talking about him and his name's Mauricio. By
the way, I mean, that's a thing.
Speaker 2 (15:20):
Too that also seems offensive in a lot of ways.
But he.
Speaker 3 (15:26):
As the movie went on, I was like, oh, this
is a bit because they pointed out at the end
his fake hair is so bad that at first I
thought it was just really bad makeup from two thousand
and one because they never really pointed out. And then
at the end he starts like losing some of it
and they comment on it. But at first I thought
that was kind of like the tiny hands thing that
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y'all are talking about.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (15:49):
I That's one of the things I remembered is that
it showed the like he he had all these opinions
about people, which to fairly brothers credit, I guess is
that somebody who's calling out all of these kind of
imperfections on people, and then he like, not only is
it hair, but he has a tail. I mean I
do think, I mean obviously that that is intentional.
Speaker 1 (16:10):
To me that the tale was the most memorable thing
about this movie. It was like, it was, that's the
movie where Jason Alexander has a tail.
Speaker 3 (16:19):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
Jason Alexander's also in dungeedon checks in how Dare You
I do?
Speaker 1 (16:23):
Man? We need to talk about it.
Speaker 2 (16:24):
Do you remember him in that?
Speaker 1 (16:25):
Actually, that's another one we need to revisit to see
if we like it as forty year olds.
Speaker 2 (16:30):
And blank man, blank man, there we go. If he's
done good, he was in Coneheads.
Speaker 1 (16:36):
He's had a good career. Good for him, then Jacob's ladder,
got to make got to make shallow?
Speaker 2 (16:40):
How yep? Do we good for him?
Speaker 1 (16:43):
Do you guys think that this movie would be memorable
at all if not for the controversy and the backlash.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
That it fished, it would only be remembered in the
way we're remember it now and just how awful it
was and how why what could you possibly have read
that made you think, oh this is this is meaningful
stuff here, this is funny.
Speaker 3 (17:08):
Would it be memorable in the way that we remember
it as the movie I wasn't allowed to see as
a teenager.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
That's the only reason it's Yeah, that's true, that's true.
That is it sleepover, sleep nights.
Speaker 1 (17:19):
Sleepover, Yeah, which we're gonna we're gonna rewatch has grown.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
That's the only reason. Yeah, that's the only reason. I
I remember this one as much.
Speaker 3 (17:28):
I would almost put money on that rewatching Sleepover. I
will enjoy it more than Shallow How.
Speaker 2 (17:33):
I honestly I think I will too.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
I think I will too.
Speaker 2 (17:36):
And I remember hating Sleepover because some brother dances in
high heels or something. I thought so stupid. But honestly,
I have a feeling that when we come back, I'm
gonna say, you know what sleepover in the Brutalist.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
Yeah, yes, yeah, that's gonna be a fun episode to
look forward to. Uh to that one. But yeah, I
mean you guys might be right, like we have a
very very personal story and inside joke that's been going
on for this point twenty four years about this film.
There there are people that might be pressing play on
this podcast that are just like, I don't remember what
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Shallow How is at all?
Speaker 2 (18:13):
Go watch it? Yeah, I dare.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
You even better? Pay three ninety nine for it on
Amazon Prime.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
Yeah he paid for it too.
Speaker 1 (18:21):
Yes, my uh, we were so we were watching it.
I I have not seen Wicked yet, and my wife
loves it. It's one of her favorite films that she's.
Speaker 3 (18:30):
Got get the same bread over saying she's seen in
a while and big Wicked stand here. Yeah we were
you know, a peak behind the curtains. This episode is
going to be released quite some time since we've recorded it.
We're recording this before our annual Oscars live stream. So
the night before the Oscars, my wife wants to show
me Wicked, and I'm like.
Speaker 1 (18:51):
I gotta watch Shallow Howe because we're doing a podcast
that like, I gotta, you know, make that, make my notes,
find some things to talk about, and uh, make sure
that I rewatch it so it's fresh so we can
have a good episode.
Speaker 3 (19:04):
We get that's called Dedication to the Craft, by the way.
Speaker 1 (19:07):
Thank you. We get maybe twenty minutes into the movie
and we're we're in Shallow, how Wicked, Shallow Shallow checking Shallow,
how one over Wicked, and my wife we've been silent
the whole time, just watching the film. My wife rolls
rolls over and said, you picked this over Wicked, and
then she said I'm going to sleep and literally just
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rolled over, and a few minutes later I heard her
snoring and was like, I'm on my own here for
the rest of this movie.
Speaker 2 (19:34):
My wife was reading on her phone, and every now
and then she would just say, is this so stupid?
She's not wrong, No, she's not wrong, And when I
did laugh, I would just be like ah Man two
thousand and one humor, well live and well.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
Can we uh Brett, did you watch this one alone?
Or did you watch this one with your wife?
Speaker 3 (19:55):
I effectively watched it alone. I watched it on my
phone yesterday morning while my kids were playing video games
in the room next to me. At points was like
making breakfast for them as it was going on next
to me. Okay, I mean that's how I made it
through at points, was to be doing something else simultaneously.
Speaker 2 (20:15):
But you didn't get to see it on the big screen.
Speaker 3 (20:17):
No, I am sad that in two thousand and one,
I missed it on Imax.
Speaker 2 (20:23):
But oh yeah, oh yeah, and they had they had
a rosy popcorn bucket you can buy.
Speaker 1 (20:30):
It's just.
Speaker 3 (20:32):
What it was.
Speaker 2 (20:36):
Just tips. Thanks for asking. Yeah, but little hands right
next to it where you can pick it.
Speaker 1 (20:43):
Up the handles with little hands, with little hands makes
perfect sense.
Speaker 2 (20:47):
This shallow at the bottom.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
What do we What do we make of the idea
that this whole thing was put into motion because of
a chance encounter with Tony Robbins in an elevator? Was
that real Robins in.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
The movie in the movie, that's how this came about him?
Like excuse me. That was real.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
The Fairly Brothers bumped into Tony Robbins and he was like, hey,
I got this idea for a movie where.
Speaker 2 (21:13):
I don't know. I don't really respect Tony Robbins either,
Damn sorry. I think he's a bit of a sham.
Speaker 3 (21:21):
But I don't know if that's a stray that he's catching.
That may just be a direct shot. But you're going in.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
On to Robins there there.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
There's some stuff that came out about him a few
years ago that made me kind of question what he's
built his reputation on. But I mean, he's still selling
books and shit again.
Speaker 3 (21:40):
Can we do like a like a ten part series
on Tony Robbins, like a dramatic.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
So there was a documentary that was pretty good, But
then I want to think something came out within this
me too movement and then it started getting into kind
of the things that he was doing. It's sort of
like practice what you preach but not but he wasn't
really doing it. I don't know. Maybe he started off
great and maybe he's gone downhill. I don't know. I do.
Speaker 3 (22:11):
I do have an important Tony Robbins question, which, by
the way, I liked the My note was Tony Robbins
was the fairy godmother in this. Yes, yes he plays that.
Speaker 2 (22:21):
But what I like is all it takes is Jason
Alexander to go up to him and then he's like, well,
I mean if it hurts him at his job, Like, yes,
I mean this. If so, it's I go figure. I
guess that It reminds me of Adam Sandler's cameo stuff,
like with Shaq I. They get this on like famous
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person that's really shouldn't be an actor, but he is.
I just feel like Fairly Brothers just tried to do it.
Speaker 3 (22:47):
My question is, and I feel like this is the
reason people listen to this kind of thing. There was
another like guru that was like a health and fitness
guy that I feel like. His name was Tony two
who had a ponytail.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (23:02):
I don't know, but that's who I thought Tony Robbins was.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
He was always on those elliptical machines and he had
a ponytail through a cap. Yes, I thought you were
going to say, Richard Simmons.
Speaker 1 (23:12):
Richard Simmons, Yeah, oh did he die?
Speaker 2 (23:15):
Yeah, but Tony, it is a Tony something. But he
was always on those ellipticals.
Speaker 3 (23:21):
Yes, that's who I thought Tony Robbins was until I did.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
Tony Robbins is the great colleague's cousin.
Speaker 1 (23:31):
Do you think he He was like, Yeah, I'm only
going to do this. I'm only going to do this
film if you talk about how big my hands and
feet are and make sure it's implied that I have a.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
Massive, massive dick, if you could throw that in along
with the fat suits and little.
Speaker 3 (23:50):
Hands, say something about banana hans several times the script.
Speaker 2 (23:55):
Yeah, can I get into what probably made me the
most pissed? Well, of course, yeah, almost not. Have I
seen this since eighty eight minutes, which is an old
and old al Pacino movie. Jack Black's hair through this
movie changes and it's so stupid, But I want to
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know who who was keeping up with continuity because there's
times where he has his hair slicked like Vince McMahon,
and then there's times where it's shaggy and combed over,
kind of what we're used to seeing, and then it
seems like it was kind of a mixture between the two,
and then it seemed like it's like then when we
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go back towards the end, did it look like what
it was at the beginning when he was at the bar,
Like it was so stupid that I would turn to
my wife and I'm like, what are they doing with
his fucking hair? Because from scene to scene, like it
was pretty like straightforward, and then all of a sudden,
I remember when they go on that trip with what's
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his name, he's crawling around and stuff. Yeah, but like
his hair is totally different. It's almost like he got
his hair cut and then they had to reshoot stuff,
but they're like, ah, we'll just comb it to the
side a little bit. It really bigs the hell out
of me.
Speaker 1 (25:18):
It's almost like they just didn't pay attention to any
of the details for this.
Speaker 2 (25:21):
I'm starting to think this wasn't a well made movie.
Speaker 1 (25:23):
And if you go back, I made a note of this.
You can go back to the office scene at the
very beginning of the film when Jack Black is talking
to his Tenacious D bandmate and the woman in.
Speaker 2 (25:34):
The office yes, yes, yeah, Jack Black.
Speaker 1 (25:37):
When when it's showing him, it sounds like he's coming
through a microphone, but when the other two talk, it
sounds like somebody just put like a yetti blue on
the table and press record. And they're coming through It
is the most jarring thing. And like I see that
and I'm like, it just pisses me off when I
go on letterbox and I see somebody say, but I'm
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a technical standpoint. This is a very well made, beautifully
shot films. This is awful.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
Why wouldn't people take offense when that one scene where
they're celebrating its promotion and Rosie takes half the cake
a pizza. I'm just like, this would people like be like,
come on, guys.
Speaker 1 (26:16):
This is this is what a fat person would do.
Speaker 2 (26:19):
Oh you haven't seen that? Oh yeah, every time they
come in they take half about five pounds of cake
and walk out and be like you want to play?
Speaker 3 (26:26):
Yeah, we talked about this, but I don't know that
there's a version of this movie that you make that's
that much better. But I think there's a version of
the story that's done better than this.
Speaker 1 (26:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (26:43):
Well, or one of my notes was, is this Shrek
like this movie Shrek is?
Speaker 1 (26:52):
Well, yeah, I mean.
Speaker 3 (26:55):
He sees her as she truly is, and you know
this whole like transformation shot thing, and.
Speaker 2 (27:01):
That also came out in two thousand and one.
Speaker 1 (27:03):
It did.
Speaker 2 (27:04):
Yeah, so somebody did so I guess you could say
that Shallow Howe is a live action. In that case,
I'm gonna buy the DVD again.
Speaker 3 (27:14):
But things like eating half the cake or ordering four
hamburgers at the restaurant.
Speaker 2 (27:19):
Like chugging I've the biggest flip and milkshake God's ever
made again, and breaking, like you said, break every furniture
and one of them was like, what's this made of?
He's like steel, stainless stainless steel. I also like that
while his like while the discovery of who Rosie really is,
when Jason Alexander kind of breaks the the hypnotizing part
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that the waitress is just a man dressed up as
a woman, I'm just like, it's just so lazy. It's
so lazy.
Speaker 3 (27:51):
There is maybe one profound moment in this movie, if you've.
Speaker 1 (27:55):
Got one, I would like to hear it.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
Okay, I bet you I know what it is, but
go ahead, let me see if the.
Speaker 3 (27:59):
Friend and the friend who has spine. That was the
only part that I laughed. They said something about, this
isn't the profound moment, and maybe I shouldn't have even
laughed at that, but they said something about him like
crawling around like in a very very derogatory way, and
he was like, he has spin Like, but this stood
out to me. Everybody that he sees when he's hypnotized
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by Tony Robbins is beautiful men or women. Lee Boy,
the other guy. That guy always stays the same because
he was ugly on the inside too. So that's the
part that actually stood out to me, is like, oh,
that was actually kind of clear.
Speaker 2 (28:38):
Oh I didn't think of it that way because Jason
Lexander doesn't change either.
Speaker 3 (28:42):
But he's ugly too.
Speaker 2 (28:44):
Bingo. I see, so the well, and I guess part
of it is because of the women. I guess he
is being a womanizer even though he has that. Yes, yeah,
it doesn't.
Speaker 3 (28:54):
How many how many stars do you add to it
for that?
Speaker 2 (28:58):
I thought you were gonna say when he talks to
the little girl that actually was burned.
Speaker 1 (29:04):
Yes, yeah, but.
Speaker 2 (29:07):
I actually I actually thought that that was even unnecessary
because you can't you can't make a shit story like
this and then try to gain some kind of emotional
points because of a little girl. I thought that was
actually even worse than just you know, not even including
it at all. So that didn't work for me.
Speaker 1 (29:28):
So before we get on out, of here this episode,
this has been fun.
Speaker 2 (29:31):
It's started with me blaming my good friend's father too.
I wish I would have known then what I know now?
Speaker 1 (29:41):
What do you guys think is the best Fairly Brothers movie?
Speaker 3 (29:46):
Oh, I've got my I was actually gonna visit this
and say they are goaded in my book, regardless of
this because of Dumb and Number.
Speaker 1 (29:55):
Same here, Yeah, me too, and looking looking at their filmography,
Shallow Howe feels like the first crack in the armor
where it's like things really kind of go south. After
Shallow Howe, they do stuck on you fever, Pitch. I
did not realize that I didn't even know the movie
The Heartbreak Kid.
Speaker 2 (30:16):
I didn't like that. When the Ben Steeler movie I
liked Hall Pass, Hall Pass was fine.
Speaker 1 (30:20):
The Three Stooges and Dumb and Dumber two when that
was unforgivable. So basically, Dumb and Dumber and Peter and
Bobby have gone off and done their their own things,
Peter obviously gaining. I guess you would call it notoriety
again for Green Book and that kind of being He
won an oscar. He won an oscar. People don't think
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that movie? Yeah, did win Peter was also the director
for Ricky Stanicki The Greatest Beer Run ever. Champions in
recent years, not a great track record since those early days. Man,
they were on a run starting with Dumb and Dummer
in ninety four, Kingpin in ninety six. There's something about
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Mary in ninety eight, and then me myself and Irene
in two thousand. Also, I did not realize that they
did Osmosis.
Speaker 2 (31:10):
Jones I Dumb and Dumber, and there's something about Mary
will keep them, yeah, getting opportunityes and my well yeah,
but also just going to say, in my heart of
those are still some of the best comedies ever made,
but they clearly are They clearly have lost their their touch.
Speaker 3 (31:31):
It's almost like a nineties Adam Sandler or maybe Jim
Carrey Ryan of like just yeah, knocking out the park
over and over and over and then all of a
sudden something happens and it's not called mister Penguins.
Speaker 1 (31:43):
I mean you think about it, like Dumb and Dumber, Kingpinn.
There's something about Mary three, myself and Irene over the
course of six years that you know, it's no wonder
that they started to get that billing as like, oh
the latest comedy from the Fairly Brothers.
Speaker 2 (31:57):
Yeah, you put directors of two of those three.
Speaker 1 (32:01):
But Shallow Howe was Shallow Howe and Stuck on You
back to back.
Speaker 2 (32:07):
I remember hating Stuck on You. That was so oh
that was that was tough to sit through, but I
get But yeah, this Shallow how experience has changed my
life forever because I have a feeling I probably can
go and watch all the other Fairly brother stuff after
Shallow Howe and think, damn, why haven't they been nominated more?
Speaker 1 (32:26):
Yeah? For real?
Speaker 3 (32:27):
Who is with Matt Damon and Stuck on You?
Speaker 1 (32:29):
Who is Greg Caneer? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (32:32):
And share was in it?
Speaker 1 (32:34):
Do you guys want to take a guess of what
Shallow how is on Rotten Tomatoes?
Speaker 3 (32:40):
I already know, so I won't say, Brandon, do you
want to take it? I'm going to say thirty eight
forty nine. That's too high.
Speaker 2 (32:46):
That is too high, that's almost even.
Speaker 3 (32:49):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (32:49):
I gave it. I gave it one out of five
stars on Letterbox.
Speaker 3 (32:52):
Yeah, and that's about where i'd be.
Speaker 2 (32:54):
That is so yeah, that's about one one and a half.
Maybe because Jason Alexander had.
Speaker 1 (33:01):
A tail this uh yeah, that is one star the
popcorn Meter is actually lower for this forty five percent.
I cannot think that audiences were lower on this than
the critics.
Speaker 2 (33:14):
Is it newer though it could be?
Speaker 1 (33:16):
Yeah, I mean this is there's only one hundred and
thirty four reviews on here.
Speaker 2 (33:21):
Well that's yeah, Well I bet most people probably watched
it and thought, I don't even want to write about it.
Speaker 1 (33:27):
See, I'm going to look through some of the fresh reviews.
Romantic comedy is pretty Tame for the Fairly Brothers, A
sweet romantic comedy that rises above its moments of lowest
common denominator humor to offer a positive message about love
and perception.
Speaker 2 (33:42):
I don't I don't think it does as good of
a job as people think or remember.
Speaker 3 (33:47):
No, and I was going to say, I think you
said this earlier. We can recognize the problems. We don't
have to do a deep dive on that. But one
thing that stood out to me again seeing it for
the first time, Yeah, is even the in the movie.
Through the framework of the movie, the ugly people who
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are beautiful in his eyes, once he's under this spell,
he still is only attracted to them because of their
physical beauty. He's not learning in that in that instance
to appreciate the people for who they are.
Speaker 2 (34:24):
But I feel like they just chalk it up to
the end where he finally does see or for who
she is and acts like he's still he is. You know,
his breath has been taken away of how beautiful she
really is. And the thing is Jack Black can't can't
get the women he wants. Yeah, maybe in real life,
but not this.
Speaker 3 (34:42):
I do have a burning almost makes me not like.
Speaker 2 (34:44):
Jack Black in real life. That's how much this is effected.
Speaker 3 (34:47):
But you know Jack, I was thinking, Jack Black is
just keeps rolling because he did the Mario movie, which
I'm just thinking, like for the next generation my kids
love and there they are busting at the seams and
see the mind are they?
Speaker 1 (35:00):
Are they old enough for School of Rock? Yet? You
think maybe it was? Probably that was one that we
just showed my nephew a couple of years ago when
he was ten, So there's twenty twenty three. We showed
him School of Rock because he was starting to get
into like, really liked all the old bands, Nirvana and
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stuff from the eighties and stuff like that, Guns N' Roses,
and so we showed him School of Rock and he
just loved it for that summer, and then after that
was just like I think they old and cool for
this now, but.
Speaker 3 (35:32):
They appreciate Nacho Lebra, which feels like a similar age
age range between those two.
Speaker 2 (35:38):
You want to know to bring this full circle, when
will you let your children watch Shallow Hell?
Speaker 1 (35:43):
Better? Yet?
Speaker 3 (35:44):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (35:44):
Answer that I.
Speaker 3 (35:45):
Won't because it's so bad, Because it's a bad movie.
Speaker 2 (35:49):
Better you'll think something's raunchy or there is nudity, and
they'll find out No, it's just it's just a shitty movie.
Speaker 1 (35:55):
Yes, yes, when are you going to force your father
to watch this?
Speaker 2 (35:59):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (36:00):
Maybe we can watch it on the way to Metallity
on your phone, on your phone. Yes, I do have
one burning pop culture question which this may not be
a good lasting impression for this movie. So along came
Polly famously introduced the term sharp. Yeah did this movie
(36:21):
introduce cankeles?
Speaker 1 (36:23):
I caught the same thing. I'm glad you broke that.
You brought that up, because that was I don't know
it could have been it could have been.
Speaker 2 (36:33):
I don't think so.
Speaker 1 (36:36):
There was another You need to go take an app
board again.
Speaker 2 (36:41):
I I mean, I guess I knew the term before
they said it, but I mean, you knew what it was.
And I guess if you base that off of like
Phillip symer Hoffin and along came probably like I had
never heard that term, that something like that had a name.
Speaker 3 (36:56):
Yes, that that literally I think changed the three of
our lives.
Speaker 2 (37:01):
Yeah, you know you could still do it at our age.
Now it makes sense.
Speaker 1 (37:06):
I felt bad for him actually do it.
Speaker 2 (37:08):
Yeah, I felt bad for him because I'm like, oh,
this is what he's talmout. Well, that's one of the
best I we just watched that not too long ago,
and I miss I miss Hoffman.
Speaker 1 (37:19):
Yeah, one of the greats shout out.
Speaker 2 (37:24):
On a Shallow Howe podcast.
Speaker 1 (37:26):
But any any parting thoughts, bred anything, any final words
that you would like to say, final questions you would
like to pose about Shallow Howe before we get on
out of here.
Speaker 3 (37:36):
I just want to note again, don't know if this
is a good thing or a bad thing. The nice
restaurant is called Macintosh's. Oh yeah, maybe I can get
my dad to watch based on that.
Speaker 2 (37:46):
That's true. I just am glad to clear up this
confusion we've had for yeah, over two decades, and the
fact that we can all sit here in agreement. Today
is is fantastic.
Speaker 1 (38:00):
That's exactly what I was going to say. This episode
felt like closure after all these years, this inside joke
between us. Now we can air it all out.
Speaker 3 (38:09):
The world is healing.
Speaker 1 (38:10):
The world is healing. That's going to do it for
us here on the movie Review Rewind podcast. As a reminder,
you can check out all of our work at Nashville
Movie Dispatch that is on substack at Nashville mooviedispatch dot
substack dot com. Our movie Annual from the year twenty
twenty four is still available on Amazon. Just go on
there search Nashville Movie Dispatch. You can search Brandon's name,
(38:32):
you can search my name and it should pop up
until next time for Brett. For Brandon, I'm stony and
you stay classy moviegoers.
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