September 19, 2025 • 44 mins
The 2025 Nashville Film Festival has organized a fantastic event featuring a Q&A with the iconic Nicole Kidman preceding a screening of 2003's Cold Mountain. Brandon and Stoney take the opportunity to relive the Civil War epic on this bonus episode of Movie Review Rewind.
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Speaker 1 (00:10):
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critic here on Nashville Movie Dispatch. Mister big shot himself
Brandon Vic Brandon. The Nashville Film Festival is coming gone
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at this point. No, it hasn't. It's starting today.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
Started like so. Last night was opening night.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
Yeah, the film The National Partney Man on the Run.
The Nashville Film Festival is well underway.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
But you and I are getting started today.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
Today is Friday. Yeah, today is Friday. That's right, Today's fifteenth. Yeah,
this is not this is not the twenty ninth, that.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
Is correct, not yet, God so yet.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
The film Festival is upon us. It is a fun
event that has become an annual tradition for now eleven years. Yeah,
it's around so Bro's Network and now Nashville Movie Dispatch.
That's right. It's kind of hard to not get out
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about town and see some of the screenings. Man, I mean,
this is uh, They've they've got some good stuff that
you and I have talked about on Wednesday's episode of
the vix Flicks podcast. You can go listen to that.
Listen to us talk about some of the films that
we've already seen. Listen to us talk about some of
the things that we want to see. This is a
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fun time of year for moviegoers in Nashville and the locations.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
I was telling on the on the last one that
came out Wednesday that the Green Hills area I just
don't go to that often. I like it, it's just
you know, I just don't ever really need.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
To go out there.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
But the restaurants they have for NASA's books is right
across the street.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
I didn't even realize that.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
Yeah, I've gone there and got my kid a few things,
and so yeah, I like it now. And let me
tell you what else you can do. I during sometimes
you can get a beer.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
At Regal, Yeah, during it.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
But you can also go to Emmy Squared, sit at
the bar and get a tiny.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
Bomb for five bucks. How about that?
Speaker 2 (03:16):
And I have set there and have either written stuff
or remember football was on it sometime and sometimes I
would just have a beer and a meatball.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
That's a that's a hell of an afternow, a beer
and a meatball. Yeah. Well, we're going to be talking
about Cold Mountain today, which might strike people as odd
that this is considered a part of our Nashville Film Festival,
but there is a very important reason that we're talking
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about this film from two thousand and three today. What's
actually going to end up being our third episode of
movie review Rewind for September. So yeah, very nice, A
lot of extra stuff in my birthday month. Yeah. The
Nashville Film Festival, as a part of its activities, will
be hosting an event called Nicole Kidman where Art Me's
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home in Nashville and the event will be followed by
a screening of You Guessed at Cold Mountain. So Brandon
and I thought it would be a hell of an
opportunity to relive this film, something that honestly I hadn't
seen before. I kept getting it mixed up with another
Civil War era epic that I can't recall off the
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top of my head from around the same time. But
I thought we might do this for an episode of
drinking with But it wasn't in the cards. Always kind
of been on my radar, and now we we finally
get to talk about it now. I will say, as
of this recording, this event is sold out. I would
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imagine it went pretty quickly, scheduled for this Sunday, September
twenty first, five point fifteen pm at the CMA Theater
in the Country Music Hall of Fame and Museum.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
That's a pretty small place, isn't it.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
That's what I was kind of wondering, like if it
I've never been in their concerts.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
They have concerts there, so maybe it's like one hundred
two hundred people.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
Maybe, Yeah, I don't know. I've never been to the country.
To be a Nashville native, I've never been to the
country Music Hall of Fame.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
I've never been to the theater. I've been there.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
I've never even been there. Oh my gosh, I mean
I've been drunk out on the sidewalk in front of it.
Wait for lift that. Yeah, I don't. I don't think
it does a little bit about this event. And the
reason I still share it is because, I mean, you
never know. You could check tickets. Maybe somebody backs out
the day of and something opens up. Well, actually no,
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it says complimentary tickets to this event are available exclusively
to Icon badge holders. So this is very exclusive. Yeah,
join the Nashville Film Festival in the Country Music Hall
of Fame and museum.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
Say all other badge holders must be purchase tickets.
Speaker 1 (06:01):
Oh, maybe that's what it is. It's it's free for
the Icon badge holders.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
Yes, and then everybody else. So it's I guess basically
badge holders are the ones who got in. And if
I'm guessing, and it is a more intimate venue, yes,
probably doesn't. Probably didn't take long. Everything sills out when
Nikki that's.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
What I call her. Oh really, yeah, come strolling into Okay,
it's a special screening and conversation with Academy Award winner, actress, producer,
and local film industry advocate Nicole Kidman. This event will
focus on Kidman's remarkable career from iconic performances on the
big screen to unforgettable roles in television, and her groundbreaking
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accomplishments as a producer. The screening will begin with a
moderated conversation with Kidman, led by the Nashville Film Festival's
Programming director Lauren Thielen. In this intimate conversation, there you go,
it's it's small venue. I bet, I bet she will
share insights into her creative process, her fearless approach to
transformative roles, and the stories behind some of her most
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memorable characters. Afterwards, you go and get to watch Cold
Mountain up in that piece. So that's I mean, listen,
that sounds like a wonderful evening.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
That listen to tack that onto the Film Festival, I
think is pretty cool. And listen, she's a she's a
big time movie star. I was about to say, like
just I mean, and she loves doing stuff in Nashville.
She's been to what she's been to the Bell Court
three or four times, like as a thing. I saw
her and Keith at the Bellcourt just seeing a movie.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
Once. I was about to say, doesn't she just go
there just to see movies?
Speaker 2 (07:38):
She's gone to the film festival and gone because I'll
have you know, I I did not volunteer, but someone
told me, hey, can you walk him to Theater four?
And I realized I was walking Keith Urban to go
find his wife.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
Nicole Kidman? How about that?
Speaker 2 (07:52):
And we talked about how I well, I talked about
how I saw him at the bell Court and I
was seeing Chay but Benicio del Toro and Steven Soderberg
and we had a nice We had a nice little.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
Chest What do you remember what he was there to see?
Speaker 2 (08:09):
He was just going to get his wife, and I
have no idea what she was seeing. Nope, he just
said keep your cat and leave my sweater. And I said, sir,
I don't even know you.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
I saying that about Nicole Kidman is true, Like she
does kind of feel like one of the last, one
of the last real movie stars, like in the classic sense.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
Yeah, And I think since seeing like eyes Wide Shut
and seeing Cole Mountain and like she's been doing this
for for a long long time.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
Her first acting credit is nineteen eighty three. Wow. And
I think she's been in probably one hundred movies at least.
I remember thinking.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
I think at first like in Days of Thunder, which
I believe is where she met Tom Cruise.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
And that was nineteen ninety if I'm not mistaken, Yeah,
nineteen ninety. And then I'm Batman forever, Batman forever. And
then that's when.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
I first like remember seeing her.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
I mean, I don't even know like Practical Magic Eyes,
White Shut, Mulan Rouge, the others, which we'll actually have
a spooky season episode of movie review rewind coming up.
Is that when we talked about our Nicole kidman Mount Rushmore,
because I don't know that you can't like, that's a
difficult that's a difficult time. I'm sure we did at
some point. I think we have, because we talked because I.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
Put the I think you put the others up there.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
Yeah, yeah, you're right, yeah, ies. White Shut's one of
my favorite movies too. That's uh in the Northman, I mean,
my goodness, what a what a filmography, baby girl?
Speaker 2 (09:46):
Because you know what I remember talking about rabbit Hole, Yeah,
the Aaronett cart and her and that no one really
saw it.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
Yep. So there's a there's a lot of stuff to
get into. I would imagine that conversation on Sunday is.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
Going to be I know, I'm I'm wondering, like it
starts at five point fifteen. The movies two hours and
like forty minutes, so you're either from like does do
you get out of Midnight?
Speaker 1 (10:08):
Or the Q and a Sunday, or the conversation is
gonna last fifteen minutes.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
Which I'm just gonna go. I'm I would be pissed
if I paid. I don't know how much tickets are,
but if I had to pay whatever to watch Cold
Mountain but only got to hear Nicole Kim and talk
about her career for fifteen minutes, I'd be pissed. I
think it starts at six. I bet I bet the movie.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
Starts at six.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
That gives you forty five minutes and then she ain't
sticking around and watching it so for.
Speaker 1 (10:44):
And still get you out of there right before nine
on a Sunday on a Sunday. You're probably right. I
bet you that's it. The film is loves Us just
guessing on their behalf.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
Yeah, I know it starts at five point fifteen. Yeah,
and she did you notice they're interviewing her first because
she ain't staying out that late past Cold Mountain and
then talking for forty five minutes.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
No, but it did give us, this event did give
us the chance to revisit Cold Mountain.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
That's right.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
Based on the nineteen ninety seven novel by Charles Frasier,
Cold Mountain tells the story of a wounded deserter from
the Confederate Army close to the end of the American
Civil War who journeys home to reunite with the woman
he loves. This is I mean, this is probably an
epic in the literal sense. I would say, Oh, yeah,
it's a it's a long, it's a you're gonna be
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seated for a while. I think that's in my opinion.
The only thing that I didn't love about it was
just how long it is. Maybe that's just because I
started the movie at ten o'clock at night.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
That was a big mistake. I don't But what's fun
is picking out these other well known actors by now
it's crazy just showing up and they're not even in
it for that long.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
No, and yeah, and Brendan Gleeson, h Philip Seymour Hoffman.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
Him, Charlie Huns in there.
Speaker 1 (12:16):
I didn't even catch Charlie Huntum do you know who
he is? Yeah? I didn't. I didn't catch I didn't
catch him. It's weird.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
But I saw the face and I'm like, oh, that's
but yeah that uh there was white eyebrows and white hair.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
Really, Donald Sutherland speaking of white hair, white eye Killian
Murphy pops up in this thing.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
Yeah that was I even forgot that he was. I mean,
and he plays a gross character, but he's that two
minutes maybe.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
Yeah. Ray Winstone, who is a son of a Bitch's
just he's really good at it. Jack White, I didn't.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
Remember him because I remember thinking, wasn't he at the end?
Speaker 1 (13:00):
Yeah? And he was? He?
Speaker 2 (13:01):
Actually, I guess he's having sex with Renee Zellwiger's character
and they.
Speaker 1 (13:05):
Had a baby. Giovanni Ribisi is in there too, yep,
with the cow yeaheah. Ethan Suppley of Butterfly Effect fame
is in this What was he? He was Brendan Gleeson's
little sidekick, the big fat guy. Oh yeah, you mean
boy meets World, Boy meets World? That him? Yeah? That
that him? That him? Oh that him got that coat. Yeah,
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I recognized him, but did not recognize Charlie him.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
You're right, well, Ethan looks.
Speaker 1 (13:35):
Like Yeah, so I I had never seen this movie before.
I wish I could remember. I don't remember which movie
I used to always get this mixed up with. But
there's another one around the same, like early two thousands
Civil War epics. But was this the first time you
had seen Cold Mountain or were you revisiting this revisiting?
Speaker 2 (13:57):
Yeah, I think Mom and I went to see it
when it came out.
Speaker 1 (14:01):
And what are like, just general general thoughts on the film?
Did you like it at the time? Yeah, I yeah,
Now yeah, how has your opinion of it changed rewatching
years later?
Speaker 2 (14:13):
I like it. I don't love it, but I like it.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
I liked.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
I thought the performances were great.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
I actually have more.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
Appreciation for Jude Law's character in this, because I'll be honest,
I really thought I've always thought of like it was
Nicole Kidman, Reneez Eelwiger's movie, but it very much is
his as well. Yeah, I mean I forgot about how
many all now, all these like famous people and Academy
Award winners and nominees.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
And all that are in it, But.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
It's also what I like about it then, and I think,
what is the atmosphere of it?
Speaker 1 (14:55):
Oh? Yes, right, I mean obviously it plays a.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
Huge but the but it's it also is hugely like
romantic in a very like old classic movie.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
Yeah, it does feel like old Hollywood, doesn't.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
Yeah, Like it's it's really about fighting and surviving. Yeah,
and if it's two words, it's fighting surviving. But it's
also just so romantic in the fact of like how
long she waits for him, especially during this time.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
Was it Civil war? Right? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (15:31):
And I and I don't know now that I'm older,
I'm like, you know what, this is really romantic, Like
it's of course Jude Law can't Yeah, of course jud Law.
Speaker 1 (15:42):
Can't you know, can't live. Yeah, But I and I
remember that too.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
I forgot how it happened, but I'm like, I'm pretty
sure he literally goes through hell to get back and
then like, I'm pretty sure he dies somewhere. But spoiler alert, Yeah,
well it means two thousand and three.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
If you haven't seen this movie by.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
Nicole Kimmon will probably tell you that at five p.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
Fifteen. So that's really lead the conversation.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
But but yeah, I actually didn't really I wasn't. It
did feel rather long, and I still don't really think
it needs to be that long.
Speaker 1 (16:19):
I don't know if I have a problem with it though,
because I do know, I.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
Don't hate it for it. I do think like, oh,
we could probably cut but because of its just how
enormous this movie is and how it's told, and like
we talked about the atmosphere, performances and this this love story.
Speaker 1 (16:42):
Essentially, it's sort of like, would.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
It still feel that way if it was two hours?
Speaker 1 (16:50):
You know what I mean? Like, I'm yeah, I don't know.
That's I think that's a fair question.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
Sometimes the run time might be too long, but it
kind of but it works in the favor of the
film to make you feel like.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
Oh home, we've been through the Ringers, Yeah, this and
you do kind of feel like that. Yeah. I want
to touch on a couple of things there. For one,
I think if it's not such a beautiful movie, I
think it it amplifies the quiet, the peace and quiet,
the slow burned nature of the story. Yeah, and I
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think that probably does end up hurting it. I do
think it probably makes it feel boring. But I think
because of the cinematography that even in those moments when
it's quiet and things aren't quite moving along at a
frenetic pace, which I don't know that you could say
the movie ever really gets to a frenetic pace outside
of maybe the battle at the beginning of it. But
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I do think that the cinematography enhances it kind of
lessens the blow of this being what two hours and
forty minutes. So while yeah, I say that I don't
hate it, but I also say that the length of
it detracts from the film. The point is those might
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sound like contradictory things, but my point is, like, I
don't think this is something that I'll sit around on
a Sunday afternoon and be like, yeah, you know what,
let's pop in Cold Mountain and just chill for a
little bit, crack open a beer and enjoy some cold Mountain.
That doesn't make it less of a movie, though, And
I think that's the ultimate point that I'm trying to
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make there. Second, I think part of the film that's
underrated and lost in lost in the larger love story
the romance of it all, is that this is still
a reflection of the times, and this is a movie,
like a lot of these historical epics that the scholars
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kind of put through the ringer, and on this case,
it came back and the scholars said, this is pretty
close to factual, like, this is pretty close to what
life was like back then. So it has that sort
of historical accuracy going for it. And I think it's
too it's almost too nice and easy for Jude Law
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to survive and they get there happily ever after, because
that wasn't really reflective of the times. And so I
think his death at the end is particularly effective because
you see the great adversity he overcomes in the name
of love. Right, but it's still such a brutal time
in history that you just don't live that long. And
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I thought in that case, in that sense, I was
fine without it, and I or I was fine without
the happily ever after ending.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
Yeah, which you still get, just probably not in the
way that you in a fairy tale ending.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
But I do think I do think that adds that
element of realism to it that enhances the film.
Speaker 2 (19:56):
And I think it speaks a lot to I mean,
the you know, the stack is decked against huh, the
deck is stacked against Nicole Kidman's character because after her
father passes clearly like you know, she can't even buy meat. Yeah,
of course men are after her and she's waiting hoping
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that he's not I'm not dead. Yeah, and then here
comes I mean, you know, Renee Zelwigger has come in
and she has got bigger balls than most of the
men that are around them, and she is, you know,
tells it like it is. She's I think her character
is based in Cookeville or Fairview, and I think that's
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in my notes.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
But what they went through and then.
Speaker 2 (20:45):
It just goes to show you kind of this whole transformation,
especially women protecting each other, but then also showing like
there's a thing with what sheep and what like what
Nicole Kimmen couldn't do before because she needed a man
basically to who she is at the end of the film.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
I think it's great too. Well, let's let's get into
the acting, because I think there's.
Speaker 2 (21:11):
I can I chime in one thing because you're talking
about the cinematography and everything, and I had to do
some looking up, but John Seeley is a cinematographer and
I saw that he has been nominated five times for
an Oscar and his first one he's been. He did Witness, Okay,
he did rain Man. Oh shit, he did The English
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Patient and he actually won for the English Patient.
Speaker 1 (21:37):
Which was also the same writer and director.
Speaker 2 (21:39):
Of Anthony Miguela, who has passed Cold Mountain. He was
nominated and his last nomination was for Mad.
Speaker 1 (21:47):
Max Fury Road. How about that?
Speaker 2 (21:50):
So but now, yes, the performances.
Speaker 1 (21:53):
He was also the cinematographer on my favorite movie of
all time, Dead Poet Society and what a what a
what a resume? Yeah, well he did win for the
English Patient. I was about to say, like, I hope,
I hope this man he won for that. And this
last domination came in almost what ten years and years ago,
twenty fifteen, Mad Max Fury Road. Yeah? What a what
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a run? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (22:17):
That's what did you think about rene Zellwigger's acting in this?
Speaker 1 (22:23):
You know what? I liked it.
Speaker 2 (22:24):
Sometimes it almost seemed like maybe it was too much,
But I think it's just the delivery, like she own
like she stuck out so much that I'm almost like,
is this like a heightened thing more than like you know,
like I get where, Like I kind.
Speaker 1 (22:44):
Of felt like it was I kind of felt like
she brought an energy that the film really needs. She
does now that is true because it's a it's a
lot of sullen, dark, quiet characters, and all.
Speaker 2 (22:56):
The other women are basically in this type of oppression
and feel like they are they're only defined by the
man they're with, ye and she's not, which which clearly
has helped Nicole kim and survive while he's been trying
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to find his way back. But there were some scenes
and I wish I can remember the exact thing, but
I just felt like, are we like overdoing it a
bit like when she first comes in. But and again,
she's a firecracker in the in the the story needs it.
But then my second thought was would you think she
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would win an oscar for that?
Speaker 1 (23:43):
I could see it. Yeah, I mean she doesn't. I
feel like it's I feel like she is.
Speaker 2 (23:51):
It's a very stand out when she shows.
Speaker 1 (23:53):
When she shows up, it does kind of feel like
we need it's a shift, we need some new juice,
Like we keep this going for two hours and forty
minutes to expect me to hang on and.
Speaker 2 (24:04):
She comes in of like about an hour in.
Speaker 1 (24:06):
Yeah, it's pretty deep into the end of the film.
I remember people saying, dude, it wasn't just the Oscar.
I mean, if you go back and look at that awards,
she won fucking everything.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
Well yeah, but here's the thing, and I kind of
think this is true. I feel like they were making
up for her not winning for Chicago real, So then
she came with this, And I mean, you've got all
the power players to be right, because Jude Law gets nominated.
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Anthony Miguela is an Oscar winner. I mean, clearly cinematographer
is an Oscar winner. I mean so, and she gets
that showy I think I said stand out, but stand
office role where she like she's, you know, set shit
on fire sort of speak. Yeah, so she's highly noticed
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and I liked her and I totally agree she's an
energy that that movie needed. And she comes in probably
about the right time.
Speaker 1 (25:09):
That year's Best Actor Field at the Oscars was loaded.
That was the year it was. Sean Penn won for
Mystic River. Yeah, Johnny Depp for Pirates of the Caribbean,
Ben Kingsley for House of Sand and Fog, Jude Law
for Cold Mountain, and Bill Murray for Lost in Translation. Listen,
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I like Jude Law. I think this is some of
his best work. I thought his accent was like surprisingly natural,
but he ain't. He ain't taken that category.
Speaker 2 (25:41):
No, And honestly, I kind of forgot that he was
nominated for that.
Speaker 1 (25:45):
Yeah, I want to read Best Actress in a Leading
Role because I'm wondering I'm curious your thoughts on whether
or not there was room for Nicole Kidman in this.
I like Nicole Kidman in Cold Mountain. I also, I
don't think it's some of her best acting.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
I see why she was left out.
Speaker 1 (26:02):
Yeah, I mean the three it's kind of like standard fare,
so to speak.
Speaker 2 (26:07):
Yeah, And I think there's a lot of her kind
of taking a back seat to a lot of the scenes.
And I think that's where Renee is. She's you know,
she's a tour to force in that. Yeah, in the
scenes they share in the character she's playing.
Speaker 1 (26:22):
It's almost like, man, you're cooking up some uh, you're
cooking up some some alfredo on a Friday night for dinner.
You cook it in that butter, like that's the base
of it all, but then you got to add the
spices to spice it up and really make it a dish.
Nicole Kidman's Nicole Kidman's the butter, like you can't have
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the dish without her. But yeah, almost, like forget that's
the basis of it. Yes, yes, there we go. We
just called Nicole Kidman chicking out freight. But yeah, Best
Actress in a Leading role, Charlie's Thearon won that year
for Monster. You had Keisha Castle Hughes for Whale Rider, nominated,
Diane Keaton for Something's Got to Give, Samantha Morton for
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In America, and Naomi Watts for twenty one Grams. That's
pretty loaded field as well. Yeah, I get the justification,
and again I get leaving Nicole Kidman out of that.
Now we flipped to Best Actress in a Supporting Role,
which Renees el Wiger won for Cold Mountain. I don't
I'm gonna butcher her name shore.
Speaker 2 (27:29):
She's from House of Sand and fo Yeah yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:31):
Aghdashlou, I don't know, Patricia Clarkson for Pieces of April,
Marcia gay Harden for Mystic River, and Holly Hunter for Thirteen. Yeah.
So what do you think about that field? Does that
kind of put it into perspective? Like is that why
Renees Elwiger won? Again?
Speaker 2 (27:49):
I think she just had the better, the more noticeable
role in that, and some would argue coming in at
an hour, she's in every seen from then on. Some
of these other ladies they ain't. Marcia gay Harden is
not in more than half of Mystic River, you know
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what I mean? I think Holly Hunter and Marcia gay
Harden for for me, uh, I could see I get
the nomination.
Speaker 1 (28:20):
The win.
Speaker 2 (28:21):
I do sort of feel like, hey, we didn't get
you know, she didn't get anything for this, and again,
you know she's already done.
Speaker 1 (28:30):
I think Bridget Jones.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
I mean, this isn't her first time, so I kind
of felt like, and it is a role that seems
like you could reward her with this kind of role.
Yeah too, I think the competition, I think she kind
of got lucky, even though she went on to win
another Oscar.
Speaker 1 (28:47):
So what else does she win for?
Speaker 2 (28:48):
She won Best Actress for Judy. Yeah, okay, some people
basically like the movie wasn't as good but she.
Speaker 1 (28:56):
Was, So that happens. That happens.
Speaker 2 (28:59):
But this one, I think the film really does elevate everybody.
Speaker 1 (29:03):
Who else from this cast. I mean, there's like legendary actors.
Speaker 2 (29:09):
Warstone is a bastard, but I'm gonna tell you he is,
and I don't know, Like, if you haven't seen Sexy
Beast with Ben Kingsley and him, I highly.
Speaker 1 (29:18):
Recommend that movie.
Speaker 2 (29:20):
I haven't seen it, and I like him and The
Departed obviously.
Speaker 1 (29:22):
Oh yeah, oh yeah, he's great and Sexy Beast. I
liked Brendan Gleeson, lot Phillips, Seymore Hoffman, Yes, yeah, and yeah,
thats uh. Natalie Portman's fine, but for me it was
Philip Seymour Hoffman and Brendan Gleeson kind of go along
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with what we were talking about as Renee Zellweger. You've
got this like really good, strong, firm story, but it
just needs it needs a little juice sometimes.
Speaker 2 (29:54):
And Hoffman brought like some humor that yeah.
Speaker 1 (29:58):
And I think that's where the Those are the moments
where you see a little variety, and it makes this
film a little more dynamic than it would otherwise be
I agree, but I was surprised. It felt like every
five minutes somebody else was popping up like, oh hey,
there's that person, there's this person. Yeah. It's it's kind
of funny as a moment in time kind of thing too.
To look back and think, Yeah, I mean, I guess
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this is where a lot of their careers were at
at the time.
Speaker 2 (30:23):
Yeah, well, they keep in mind Anthony Miguela is a
big deal. Yeah, I mean, this is two thousand and three.
English patient was just nineteen ninety nine. We're not too
far out from that. So and you're going to be
a part of a film with him, and you're talking
about you know, the crew, production crew on top of
the cast. I mean, I could see why Natalie Bortman
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takes something like that. I can see why Killy Murphy
takes something like that. But what's crazy is what all
of these actors would end up being.
Speaker 1 (30:52):
Yeah, like it was just like Philip.
Speaker 2 (30:54):
Seymour Hoffman, what Boogie Nights, Magnolia, That's all happened, because.
Speaker 1 (30:59):
Magnoia, That's all happened. I mean, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (31:02):
But then like to go on to see what he'll do,
and then of course as we watch stuff, it makes
me miss him. But when we did the PTA podcast
and watching all everything that he had done with that.
But then yeah, and then but like killing MRT like
you think you see that kid guy, which uh, twenty
(31:23):
eight days later, maybe.
Speaker 1 (31:25):
That was it, And that was also two thousand and three. Yeah,
so it's not like that had had time to breathe
and for him to become that star.
Speaker 2 (31:32):
But he worked with Danny Boyle on Nathey men Gillin. Yes,
there's something to be said by that. But yeah, I
love Brendan Gleeson. I don't know where I got lost
in it, but I thought Brendan Gleason was her husband
at first, Renee's husband, and then when she said daddy later,
I'm like, oh, that makes the way.
Speaker 1 (31:50):
I'm happy to.
Speaker 2 (31:51):
Hear that actually, because I was thinking, but you know,
back then, I mean, Nicole Kivin wouldn't be with Ray
Winstone anyway.
Speaker 1 (31:57):
No, come on, no, wait, I mean I don't know.
Speaker 2 (31:59):
He does have something about him, big.
Speaker 1 (32:01):
Man, big Burley man. I mean you see who.
Speaker 2 (32:04):
She was attracted to, the handsome Yeah, the handsome Jude Law.
Speaker 1 (32:08):
Yeah, always those handsome Jude Law types with the girl.
This movie was made on a budget of seventy nine
million dollars. That makes sense. They tried to They wanted
it to be as authentic as possible, and they ended
up shooting a lot of this in Romania because it's
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not as developed as North Carolina was it's like you think,
you don't think about it until you go to start
filming and you realize. And we got paved roads everywhere,
We've got power lines up everywhere. It's tough to hide
some of that. So they took the film over to
Romania and filmed in parts of Transylvania as well. Whoa Dracula.
(32:54):
Dracula could have shown up for all we know. But
all in all, there were some things that like they
wanted to keep the budget tight, Like Tom Cruise wanted
to play Jude Law's role in this, but the studio
was like, we're not giving you twenty million dollars, which
is what he was asking for the time.
Speaker 2 (33:14):
Twenty million, he says it to ask to be in
a movie, and but still say, but I mean obviously
on my twenty million.
Speaker 1 (33:19):
Yeah. Yeah. So they opt to keep the budget trimmed
and go with Jude Law instead, which I feel like
too much. Cruise would have been weird in this movie.
It's too much. It would have been too.
Speaker 2 (33:34):
He got to do Last Samurai, yeah.
Speaker 1 (33:36):
Which was also three. If I'm not mistaken, it's right
around there. Yeah. So, uh, they did some things to
get the budget to stay down around eighty, which I
think it was initially greenlit at like forty, and they
just kept going up and up and up. So it
goes to the it's released, and it goes on this
run in the US and Canada generates one hundred and
(33:59):
seventy three million dollars. I'm watching this, Brandon thinking, first
of all, like I don't feel like you see movies
like this anymore these days. That's very true. One hundred
and seventy three million dollars for a two hour and
forty minute civil war romance epic. I just don't know,
(34:20):
Like it's hard for me to see a film like
this being this wildly successful in twenty twenty five.
Speaker 2 (34:25):
Oh no, it wouldn't. It wouldn't. I think back then,
star power meant a lot more.
Speaker 1 (34:31):
Yeah, fair enough.
Speaker 2 (34:33):
Yeah, you also have fans of the book.
Speaker 1 (34:36):
Yeah, I mean it was a wildly popular book.
Speaker 2 (34:38):
Like I said, my mom and I went, and I
think it came out around the holidays.
Speaker 1 (34:43):
Yeah, I think it was released release date December twenty fifth,
on Christmas.
Speaker 2 (34:48):
A lot of that can also plays a part, But
I think back then star power meant meant a lot
more than it does.
Speaker 1 (34:56):
It does today. So let me ask you this. We
were talking about the award earlier. The best picture field
that year obviously that was this was the year that
Return of the King just ran rough shot over the Oscars,
Lord of the Rings. Return of the King gets Best Picture,
also nominated Lost in Translation, Master and Commander, The Far
Side of the World, Mystic River, and Sea Biscuit. Is
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there room for Cold Mountain in that field? That's a
pretty damn good field for Best Picture that year. Yeah,
I mean I'm taking Seabiscuit out there.
Speaker 2 (35:30):
Yeah, cold Mountain then, yeah, I think that's I think
that's the call.
Speaker 1 (35:35):
Seabiscuit can kiss my ass. Yeah, I don't.
Speaker 2 (35:37):
I remember being really bored by it, but I have
not seen it, probably since I saw it in theaters.
Speaker 1 (35:41):
Maybe we should add it to our movie review.
Speaker 2 (35:44):
Listen, there is it, Toby mguire, Jeff Bridges, Let's see,
here's a big I mean, that was another big one,
but I just remember not liking it that much.
Speaker 1 (35:53):
Chris Cooper, Elizabeth Banks is in Biscuits, William H. Macy
who directed that. That was directed by Gary Ross.
Speaker 2 (36:04):
I feel like he's probably done a lot of good stuff,
but I haven't.
Speaker 1 (36:08):
Gary Ross has done. I'm glad that we've taken this.
He did the Tale of Despero Okay, that mouse animated movie.
He did The Hunger Games, okay, Free State of Jones,
Ocean's eight. Pleasantville in nineteen ninety.
Speaker 2 (36:26):
Eight, Yeah, okay, Pleasantville probably got him. See Biscuit job,
Trial and Error is that with Jeff Daniels And.
Speaker 1 (36:33):
Oh he didn't direct those, I'm sorry he wrote those.
Oh okay, and then he wrote big Oh, mister baseball Dave,
I'm gonna be honest with you. I don't know how
Gary Ross got Sea Biscuit.
Speaker 2 (36:48):
It's Pleasantville, Pleasantville, I'm gonna say Pleasantville.
Speaker 1 (36:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (36:52):
That was a big hit, made a lot of money
for what the budget was. I believe there were some
nominations involved, and so that would probably explain why he
would get Toby maguire back and get Chris Cooper, which
Chris Cooper I think was coming off of an Oscar
Win from adaptation.
Speaker 1 (37:12):
It would have been about the same time.
Speaker 2 (37:13):
Yeah, so but anyway, yeah, I would take I could.
I I'm kind of surprised see Biscuit beat Cole Mountain,
considering it was getting all the nomination.
Speaker 1 (37:23):
I mean, cold Mountain did get seven OSCAR nominations Best
Picture not one of them, but you had Jude Law
for Best Actor, Zellweger for Supporting Actress, John Seeley for Cinematography,
UH film Editing, Original Score, and then it actually had
two nominations for Best Original Song. Yeah, I heard Alison
Krause on one of them. It was that was Another thing,
(37:47):
is like the music kind of felt like the core
of Appalachia. I mean it was very very it was
very distinct. Yeah, very When we lay it all out
like this, it is a surprisingly complete film be two
hours and forty minutes, like I really am. It almost
seems it almost now seems now that we say it
(38:07):
out loud, it seems egregious that Seabiscuit was nominated for
Best Film over.
Speaker 2 (38:12):
This, you know what, And usually the rule kind of applies,
and you can probably look at this, but since Anthony
Miguela was not nominated for Best Director, that probably wasn't
going to get business make sure.
Speaker 1 (38:23):
Yeah, well, I've got one more thing to ask you
before we get out of here. This might be somewhat controversial,
but I feel like we're grandfathered in because we're almost
thirty nine years old. There's a lot of younger people
that are watching this film and just completely rejecting the
premise solely because Jude Lost character fought for the Confederacy. Oh,
(38:47):
I see. I personally think that it actually enhances the
movie that he fought for the Confederacy, because I think
it shows how truly compllicated things were back then.
Speaker 2 (39:02):
And that is not just all black and white.
Speaker 1 (39:05):
It's not.
Speaker 2 (39:09):
To say that can mean many things, but I mean
I think that if he yeah, I mean, if it
wasn't the Confederacy, I'm not quite sure.
Speaker 1 (39:20):
I think it's The film does a good job of
portraying that, like not everybody was so gung ho, like
we don't even hear like Jude Law talking about wanting
to fight in this war. And it goes back to
like the historical accuracy of it is that you kind
of get the sense that he chooses her over the war.
(39:45):
There are some people in the little town that are
ecstatic that they want the war and they want to
go fight.
Speaker 2 (39:51):
And he kind of pretends when he walks out, yeah,
when it's first saying we're going to war.
Speaker 1 (39:56):
Yeah, But.
Speaker 2 (39:59):
Obviously, and I think what I think the main thing
that you get out of it is whatever side. The
horrors of war is what it is. But also you're
right him basically a deserter trying to go back to her,
because I think there is this realization that there it's
not it's not worth it.
Speaker 1 (40:19):
It's not worth it.
Speaker 2 (40:20):
But he's all seen and has and ann was there
and endured.
Speaker 1 (40:25):
It's not it's not worth it. So I mean, to me,
like everybody's titled to their opinion, but I don't know.
I just don't think that is. I don't think you're
really displaying good critical thinking skills.
Speaker 2 (40:38):
I don't even know why that's a bit Why would
that I don't even I didn't really even think about it.
Speaker 1 (40:44):
I just thought, oh, a man in war.
Speaker 2 (40:45):
And I mean, but yeah, it I think it's it's
a film on the of the times and that's not
like you know, he lived there, but that I mean,
sometimes you went to war, you didn't have to believe
in it. And I believe that there's things that I'm
sure people have said that about Vietnam, Iraq war. I mean,
I don't think it's just in the Civil War of
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people went to war, but did they want to be there.
Speaker 1 (41:10):
I was about to say like, is there a moment
in this film where you think Jude Law's character, Man,
this guy just really wants to go to war. This guy,
this guy really understands what they're fighting for, right, And
like it's yeah, I don't know, it's it's a it's
a complex ideal. And like I said, I mean, people
(41:32):
are titled to their opinion, but I I don't really
think it's fair for this film to draw criticism from
from younger generations for for that reason, it seems it
seems like you're reaching a little bit and not really
Like I said, this might be more than a little
bit lack of lack of critical thinking there. Yeah, but
that's agree with that. That's all I got. Did you
(41:53):
do you have a star rating for Cold Mountain?
Speaker 2 (41:56):
I'd say three and a half or four.
Speaker 1 (41:58):
I gave it a four. I really liked it. It's
one of like I'd love to have this in my
personal collection, but I think I think I've got a
DVD of it somewhere because I wanted to.
Speaker 2 (42:09):
See it, Like we talked about where just like the
production design and the atmosphere, cinematography, the performances and also
I mean going back to kind of what we initially
said at the top it they just don't make them. Yeah, like,
rather you can set for two hours and forty minutes
and enjoy it or what and not or be bored
(42:33):
or think it's too slow.
Speaker 1 (42:34):
Whatever.
Speaker 2 (42:35):
They just don't make those kinds of films anymore, No,
And I think a lot of it is because, I mean,
the business has changed so much.
Speaker 1 (42:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (42:43):
Sure, Anthony Miguela is not here anymore, so he's not
an advocate for it. But you know, there are a
lot of things that said about Cold Mountain can be
said for the English patient, so you know sometimes that
that's also just a huge credit to the film as well.
But yeah, no, I'm glad we got to do it.
(43:03):
And for anybody that gets to hopefully listen to more
than fifteen minutes of Nicole Kidman, we'll be able to
actually watch it on a I guess it's a big
screen that'd be sick if they just rolled out those
like carts from school in which is.
Speaker 1 (43:16):
A TV tube. TV and TV says.
Speaker 2 (43:19):
Okay, everyone, can y'all come down here?
Speaker 1 (43:21):
Yep, come sit Indian style in the We.
Speaker 2 (43:23):
Could only get this on VHS, so you need to
come on down.
Speaker 1 (43:27):
Uh, that's uh, that's gonna do it for us another
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Brandon Vic Brandon. The Nashville Film Festival is coming gone
(01:18):
at this point. No, it hasn't. It's starting today.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
Started like so. Last night was opening night.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
Yeah, the film The National Partney Man on the Run.
The Nashville Film Festival is well underway.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
But you and I are getting started today.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
Today is Friday. Yeah, today is Friday. That's right, Today's fifteenth. Yeah,
this is not this is not the twenty ninth, that.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
Is correct, not yet, God so yet.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
The film Festival is upon us. It is a fun
event that has become an annual tradition for now eleven years. Yeah,
it's around so Bro's Network and now Nashville Movie Dispatch.
That's right. It's kind of hard to not get out
(02:06):
about town and see some of the screenings. Man, I mean,
this is uh, They've they've got some good stuff that
you and I have talked about on Wednesday's episode of
the vix Flicks podcast. You can go listen to that.
Listen to us talk about some of the films that
we've already seen. Listen to us talk about some of
the things that we want to see. This is a
(02:26):
fun time of year for moviegoers in Nashville and the locations.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
I was telling on the on the last one that
came out Wednesday that the Green Hills area I just
don't go to that often. I like it, it's just
you know, I just don't ever really need.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
To go out there.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
But the restaurants they have for NASA's books is right
across the street.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
I didn't even realize that.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
Yeah, I've gone there and got my kid a few things,
and so yeah, I like it now. And let me
tell you what else you can do. I during sometimes
you can get a beer.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
At Regal, Yeah, during it.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
But you can also go to Emmy Squared, sit at
the bar and get a tiny.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
Bomb for five bucks. How about that?
Speaker 2 (03:16):
And I have set there and have either written stuff
or remember football was on it sometime and sometimes I
would just have a beer and a meatball.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
That's a that's a hell of an afternow, a beer
and a meatball. Yeah. Well, we're going to be talking
about Cold Mountain today, which might strike people as odd
that this is considered a part of our Nashville Film Festival,
but there is a very important reason that we're talking
(03:48):
about this film from two thousand and three today. What's
actually going to end up being our third episode of
movie review Rewind for September. So yeah, very nice, A
lot of extra stuff in my birthday month. Yeah. The
Nashville Film Festival, as a part of its activities, will
be hosting an event called Nicole Kidman where Art Me's
(04:09):
home in Nashville and the event will be followed by
a screening of You Guessed at Cold Mountain. So Brandon
and I thought it would be a hell of an
opportunity to relive this film, something that honestly I hadn't
seen before. I kept getting it mixed up with another
Civil War era epic that I can't recall off the
(04:32):
top of my head from around the same time. But
I thought we might do this for an episode of
drinking with But it wasn't in the cards. Always kind
of been on my radar, and now we we finally
get to talk about it now. I will say, as
of this recording, this event is sold out. I would
(04:52):
imagine it went pretty quickly, scheduled for this Sunday, September
twenty first, five point fifteen pm at the CMA Theater
in the Country Music Hall of Fame and Museum.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
That's a pretty small place, isn't it.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
That's what I was kind of wondering, like if it
I've never been in their concerts.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
They have concerts there, so maybe it's like one hundred
two hundred people.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
Maybe, Yeah, I don't know. I've never been to the country.
To be a Nashville native, I've never been to the
country Music Hall of Fame.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
I've never been to the theater. I've been there.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
I've never even been there. Oh my gosh, I mean
I've been drunk out on the sidewalk in front of it.
Wait for lift that. Yeah, I don't. I don't think
it does a little bit about this event. And the
reason I still share it is because, I mean, you
never know. You could check tickets. Maybe somebody backs out
the day of and something opens up. Well, actually no,
(05:45):
it says complimentary tickets to this event are available exclusively
to Icon badge holders. So this is very exclusive. Yeah,
join the Nashville Film Festival in the Country Music Hall
of Fame and museum.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
Say all other badge holders must be purchase tickets.
Speaker 1 (06:01):
Oh, maybe that's what it is. It's it's free for
the Icon badge holders.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
Yes, and then everybody else. So it's I guess basically
badge holders are the ones who got in. And if
I'm guessing, and it is a more intimate venue, yes,
probably doesn't. Probably didn't take long. Everything sills out when
Nikki that's.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
What I call her. Oh really, yeah, come strolling into Okay,
it's a special screening and conversation with Academy Award winner, actress, producer,
and local film industry advocate Nicole Kidman. This event will
focus on Kidman's remarkable career from iconic performances on the
big screen to unforgettable roles in television, and her groundbreaking
(06:41):
accomplishments as a producer. The screening will begin with a
moderated conversation with Kidman, led by the Nashville Film Festival's
Programming director Lauren Thielen. In this intimate conversation, there you go,
it's it's small venue. I bet, I bet she will
share insights into her creative process, her fearless approach to
transformative roles, and the stories behind some of her most
(07:03):
memorable characters. Afterwards, you go and get to watch Cold
Mountain up in that piece. So that's I mean, listen,
that sounds like a wonderful evening.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
That listen to tack that onto the Film Festival, I
think is pretty cool. And listen, she's a she's a
big time movie star. I was about to say, like
just I mean, and she loves doing stuff in Nashville.
She's been to what she's been to the Bell Court
three or four times, like as a thing. I saw
her and Keith at the Bellcourt just seeing a movie.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
Once. I was about to say, doesn't she just go
there just to see movies?
Speaker 2 (07:38):
She's gone to the film festival and gone because I'll
have you know, I I did not volunteer, but someone
told me, hey, can you walk him to Theater four?
And I realized I was walking Keith Urban to go
find his wife.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
Nicole Kidman? How about that?
Speaker 2 (07:52):
And we talked about how I well, I talked about
how I saw him at the bell Court and I
was seeing Chay but Benicio del Toro and Steven Soderberg
and we had a nice We had a nice little.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
Chest What do you remember what he was there to see?
Speaker 2 (08:09):
He was just going to get his wife, and I
have no idea what she was seeing. Nope, he just
said keep your cat and leave my sweater. And I said, sir,
I don't even know you.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
I saying that about Nicole Kidman is true, Like she
does kind of feel like one of the last, one
of the last real movie stars, like in the classic sense.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
Yeah, And I think since seeing like eyes Wide Shut
and seeing Cole Mountain and like she's been doing this
for for a long long time.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
Her first acting credit is nineteen eighty three. Wow. And
I think she's been in probably one hundred movies at least.
I remember thinking.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
I think at first like in Days of Thunder, which
I believe is where she met Tom Cruise.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
And that was nineteen ninety if I'm not mistaken, Yeah,
nineteen ninety. And then I'm Batman forever, Batman forever. And
then that's when.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
I first like remember seeing her.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
I mean, I don't even know like Practical Magic Eyes,
White Shut, Mulan Rouge, the others, which we'll actually have
a spooky season episode of movie review rewind coming up.
Is that when we talked about our Nicole kidman Mount Rushmore,
because I don't know that you can't like, that's a
difficult that's a difficult time. I'm sure we did at
some point. I think we have, because we talked because I.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
Put the I think you put the others up there.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
Yeah, yeah, you're right, yeah, ies. White Shut's one of
my favorite movies too. That's uh in the Northman, I mean,
my goodness, what a what a filmography, baby girl?
Speaker 2 (09:46):
Because you know what I remember talking about rabbit Hole, Yeah,
the Aaronett cart and her and that no one really
saw it.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
Yep. So there's a there's a lot of stuff to
get into. I would imagine that conversation on Sunday is.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
Going to be I know, I'm I'm wondering, like it
starts at five point fifteen. The movies two hours and
like forty minutes, so you're either from like does do
you get out of Midnight?
Speaker 1 (10:08):
Or the Q and a Sunday, or the conversation is
gonna last fifteen minutes.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
Which I'm just gonna go. I'm I would be pissed
if I paid. I don't know how much tickets are,
but if I had to pay whatever to watch Cold
Mountain but only got to hear Nicole Kim and talk
about her career for fifteen minutes, I'd be pissed. I
think it starts at six. I bet I bet the movie.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
Starts at six.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
That gives you forty five minutes and then she ain't
sticking around and watching it so for.
Speaker 1 (10:44):
And still get you out of there right before nine
on a Sunday on a Sunday. You're probably right. I
bet you that's it. The film is loves Us just
guessing on their behalf.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
Yeah, I know it starts at five point fifteen. Yeah,
and she did you notice they're interviewing her first because
she ain't staying out that late past Cold Mountain and
then talking for forty five minutes.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
No, but it did give us, this event did give
us the chance to revisit Cold Mountain.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
That's right.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
Based on the nineteen ninety seven novel by Charles Frasier,
Cold Mountain tells the story of a wounded deserter from
the Confederate Army close to the end of the American
Civil War who journeys home to reunite with the woman
he loves. This is I mean, this is probably an
epic in the literal sense. I would say, Oh, yeah,
it's a it's a long, it's a you're gonna be
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seated for a while. I think that's in my opinion.
The only thing that I didn't love about it was
just how long it is. Maybe that's just because I
started the movie at ten o'clock at night.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
That was a big mistake. I don't But what's fun
is picking out these other well known actors by now
it's crazy just showing up and they're not even in
it for that long.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
No, and yeah, and Brendan Gleeson, h Philip Seymour Hoffman.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
Him, Charlie Huns in there.
Speaker 1 (12:16):
I didn't even catch Charlie Huntum do you know who
he is? Yeah? I didn't. I didn't catch I didn't
catch him. It's weird.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
But I saw the face and I'm like, oh, that's
but yeah that uh there was white eyebrows and white hair.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
Really, Donald Sutherland speaking of white hair, white eye Killian
Murphy pops up in this thing.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
Yeah that was I even forgot that he was. I mean,
and he plays a gross character, but he's that two
minutes maybe.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
Yeah. Ray Winstone, who is a son of a Bitch's
just he's really good at it. Jack White, I didn't.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
Remember him because I remember thinking, wasn't he at the end?
Speaker 1 (13:00):
Yeah? And he was? He?
Speaker 2 (13:01):
Actually, I guess he's having sex with Renee Zellwiger's character
and they.
Speaker 1 (13:05):
Had a baby. Giovanni Ribisi is in there too, yep,
with the cow yeaheah. Ethan Suppley of Butterfly Effect fame
is in this What was he? He was Brendan Gleeson's
little sidekick, the big fat guy. Oh yeah, you mean
boy meets World, Boy meets World? That him? Yeah? That
that him? That him? Oh that him got that coat. Yeah,
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I recognized him, but did not recognize Charlie him.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
You're right, well, Ethan looks.
Speaker 1 (13:35):
Like Yeah, so I I had never seen this movie before.
I wish I could remember. I don't remember which movie
I used to always get this mixed up with. But
there's another one around the same, like early two thousands
Civil War epics. But was this the first time you
had seen Cold Mountain or were you revisiting this revisiting?
Speaker 2 (13:57):
Yeah, I think Mom and I went to see it
when it came out.
Speaker 1 (14:01):
And what are like, just general general thoughts on the film?
Did you like it at the time? Yeah, I yeah,
Now yeah, how has your opinion of it changed rewatching
years later?
Speaker 2 (14:13):
I like it. I don't love it, but I like it.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
I liked.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
I thought the performances were great.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
I actually have more.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
Appreciation for Jude Law's character in this, because I'll be honest,
I really thought I've always thought of like it was
Nicole Kidman, Reneez Eelwiger's movie, but it very much is
his as well. Yeah, I mean I forgot about how
many all now, all these like famous people and Academy
Award winners and nominees.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
And all that are in it, But.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
It's also what I like about it then, and I think,
what is the atmosphere of it?
Speaker 1 (14:55):
Oh? Yes, right, I mean obviously it plays a.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
Huge but the but it's it also is hugely like
romantic in a very like old classic movie.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
Yeah, it does feel like old Hollywood, doesn't.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
Yeah, Like it's it's really about fighting and surviving. Yeah,
and if it's two words, it's fighting surviving. But it's
also just so romantic in the fact of like how
long she waits for him, especially during this time.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
Was it Civil war? Right? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (15:31):
And I and I don't know now that I'm older,
I'm like, you know what, this is really romantic, Like
it's of course Jude Law can't Yeah, of course jud Law.
Speaker 1 (15:42):
Can't you know, can't live. Yeah, But I and I
remember that too.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
I forgot how it happened, but I'm like, I'm pretty
sure he literally goes through hell to get back and
then like, I'm pretty sure he dies somewhere. But spoiler alert, Yeah,
well it means two thousand and three.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
If you haven't seen this movie by.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
Nicole Kimmon will probably tell you that at five p.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
Fifteen. So that's really lead the conversation.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
But but yeah, I actually didn't really I wasn't. It
did feel rather long, and I still don't really think
it needs to be that long.
Speaker 1 (16:19):
I don't know if I have a problem with it though,
because I do know, I.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
Don't hate it for it. I do think like, oh,
we could probably cut but because of its just how
enormous this movie is and how it's told, and like
we talked about the atmosphere, performances and this this love story.
Speaker 1 (16:42):
Essentially, it's sort of like, would.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
It still feel that way if it was two hours?
Speaker 1 (16:50):
You know what I mean? Like, I'm yeah, I don't know.
That's I think that's a fair question.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
Sometimes the run time might be too long, but it
kind of but it works in the favor of the
film to make you feel like.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
Oh home, we've been through the Ringers, Yeah, this and
you do kind of feel like that. Yeah. I want
to touch on a couple of things there. For one,
I think if it's not such a beautiful movie, I
think it it amplifies the quiet, the peace and quiet,
the slow burned nature of the story. Yeah, and I
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think that probably does end up hurting it. I do
think it probably makes it feel boring. But I think
because of the cinematography that even in those moments when
it's quiet and things aren't quite moving along at a
frenetic pace, which I don't know that you could say
the movie ever really gets to a frenetic pace outside
of maybe the battle at the beginning of it. But
(17:45):
I do think that the cinematography enhances it kind of
lessens the blow of this being what two hours and
forty minutes. So while yeah, I say that I don't
hate it, but I also say that the length of
it detracts from the film. The point is those might
(18:05):
sound like contradictory things, but my point is, like, I
don't think this is something that I'll sit around on
a Sunday afternoon and be like, yeah, you know what,
let's pop in Cold Mountain and just chill for a
little bit, crack open a beer and enjoy some cold Mountain.
That doesn't make it less of a movie, though, And
I think that's the ultimate point that I'm trying to
(18:25):
make there. Second, I think part of the film that's
underrated and lost in lost in the larger love story
the romance of it all, is that this is still
a reflection of the times, and this is a movie,
like a lot of these historical epics that the scholars
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kind of put through the ringer, and on this case,
it came back and the scholars said, this is pretty
close to factual, like, this is pretty close to what
life was like back then. So it has that sort
of historical accuracy going for it. And I think it's
too it's almost too nice and easy for Jude Law
(19:13):
to survive and they get there happily ever after, because
that wasn't really reflective of the times. And so I
think his death at the end is particularly effective because
you see the great adversity he overcomes in the name
of love. Right, but it's still such a brutal time
in history that you just don't live that long. And
(19:36):
I thought in that case, in that sense, I was
fine without it, and I or I was fine without
the happily ever after ending.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
Yeah, which you still get, just probably not in the
way that you in a fairy tale ending.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
But I do think I do think that adds that
element of realism to it that enhances the film.
Speaker 2 (19:56):
And I think it speaks a lot to I mean,
the you know, the stack is decked against huh, the
deck is stacked against Nicole Kidman's character because after her
father passes clearly like you know, she can't even buy meat. Yeah,
of course men are after her and she's waiting hoping
(20:16):
that he's not I'm not dead. Yeah, and then here
comes I mean, you know, Renee Zelwigger has come in
and she has got bigger balls than most of the
men that are around them, and she is, you know,
tells it like it is. She's I think her character
is based in Cookeville or Fairview, and I think that's
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in my notes.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
But what they went through and then.
Speaker 2 (20:45):
It just goes to show you kind of this whole transformation,
especially women protecting each other, but then also showing like
there's a thing with what sheep and what like what
Nicole Kimmen couldn't do before because she needed a man
basically to who she is at the end of the film.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
I think it's great too. Well, let's let's get into
the acting, because I think there's.
Speaker 2 (21:11):
I can I chime in one thing because you're talking
about the cinematography and everything, and I had to do
some looking up, but John Seeley is a cinematographer and
I saw that he has been nominated five times for
an Oscar and his first one he's been. He did Witness, Okay,
he did rain Man. Oh shit, he did The English
(21:34):
Patient and he actually won for the English Patient.
Speaker 1 (21:37):
Which was also the same writer and director.
Speaker 2 (21:39):
Of Anthony Miguela, who has passed Cold Mountain. He was
nominated and his last nomination was for Mad.
Speaker 1 (21:47):
Max Fury Road. How about that?
Speaker 2 (21:50):
So but now, yes, the performances.
Speaker 1 (21:53):
He was also the cinematographer on my favorite movie of
all time, Dead Poet Society and what a what a
what a resume? Yeah, well he did win for the
English Patient. I was about to say, like, I hope,
I hope this man he won for that. And this
last domination came in almost what ten years and years ago,
twenty fifteen, Mad Max Fury Road. Yeah? What a what
(22:16):
a run? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (22:17):
That's what did you think about rene Zellwigger's acting in this?
Speaker 1 (22:23):
You know what? I liked it.
Speaker 2 (22:24):
Sometimes it almost seemed like maybe it was too much,
But I think it's just the delivery, like she own
like she stuck out so much that I'm almost like,
is this like a heightened thing more than like you know,
like I get where, Like I kind.
Speaker 1 (22:44):
Of felt like it was I kind of felt like
she brought an energy that the film really needs. She
does now that is true because it's a it's a
lot of sullen, dark, quiet characters, and all.
Speaker 2 (22:56):
The other women are basically in this type of oppression
and feel like they are they're only defined by the
man they're with, ye and she's not, which which clearly
has helped Nicole kim and survive while he's been trying
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to find his way back. But there were some scenes
and I wish I can remember the exact thing, but
I just felt like, are we like overdoing it a
bit like when she first comes in. But and again,
she's a firecracker in the in the the story needs it.
But then my second thought was would you think she
(23:39):
would win an oscar for that?
Speaker 1 (23:43):
I could see it. Yeah, I mean she doesn't. I
feel like it's I feel like she is.
Speaker 2 (23:51):
It's a very stand out when she shows.
Speaker 1 (23:53):
When she shows up, it does kind of feel like
we need it's a shift, we need some new juice,
Like we keep this going for two hours and forty
minutes to expect me to hang on and.
Speaker 2 (24:04):
She comes in of like about an hour in.
Speaker 1 (24:06):
Yeah, it's pretty deep into the end of the film.
I remember people saying, dude, it wasn't just the Oscar.
I mean, if you go back and look at that awards,
she won fucking everything.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
Well yeah, but here's the thing, and I kind of
think this is true. I feel like they were making
up for her not winning for Chicago real, So then
she came with this, And I mean, you've got all
the power players to be right, because Jude Law gets nominated.
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Anthony Miguela is an Oscar winner. I mean, clearly cinematographer
is an Oscar winner. I mean so, and she gets
that showy I think I said stand out, but stand
office role where she like she's, you know, set shit
on fire sort of speak. Yeah, so she's highly noticed
(25:01):
and I liked her and I totally agree she's an
energy that that movie needed. And she comes in probably
about the right time.
Speaker 1 (25:09):
That year's Best Actor Field at the Oscars was loaded.
That was the year it was. Sean Penn won for
Mystic River. Yeah, Johnny Depp for Pirates of the Caribbean,
Ben Kingsley for House of Sand and Fog, Jude Law
for Cold Mountain, and Bill Murray for Lost in Translation. Listen,
(25:30):
I like Jude Law. I think this is some of
his best work. I thought his accent was like surprisingly natural,
but he ain't. He ain't taken that category.
Speaker 2 (25:41):
No, And honestly, I kind of forgot that he was
nominated for that.
Speaker 1 (25:45):
Yeah, I want to read Best Actress in a Leading
Role because I'm wondering I'm curious your thoughts on whether
or not there was room for Nicole Kidman in this.
I like Nicole Kidman in Cold Mountain. I also, I
don't think it's some of her best acting.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
I see why she was left out.
Speaker 1 (26:02):
Yeah, I mean the three it's kind of like standard fare,
so to speak.
Speaker 2 (26:07):
Yeah, And I think there's a lot of her kind
of taking a back seat to a lot of the scenes.
And I think that's where Renee is. She's you know,
she's a tour to force in that. Yeah, in the
scenes they share in the character she's playing.
Speaker 1 (26:22):
It's almost like, man, you're cooking up some uh, you're
cooking up some some alfredo on a Friday night for dinner.
You cook it in that butter, like that's the base
of it all, but then you got to add the
spices to spice it up and really make it a dish.
Nicole Kidman's Nicole Kidman's the butter, like you can't have
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the dish without her. But yeah, almost, like forget that's
the basis of it. Yes, yes, there we go. We
just called Nicole Kidman chicking out freight. But yeah, Best
Actress in a Leading role, Charlie's Thearon won that year
for Monster. You had Keisha Castle Hughes for Whale Rider, nominated,
Diane Keaton for Something's Got to Give, Samantha Morton for
(27:06):
In America, and Naomi Watts for twenty one Grams. That's
pretty loaded field as well. Yeah, I get the justification,
and again I get leaving Nicole Kidman out of that.
Now we flipped to Best Actress in a Supporting Role,
which Renees el Wiger won for Cold Mountain. I don't
I'm gonna butcher her name shore.
Speaker 2 (27:29):
She's from House of Sand and fo Yeah yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:31):
Aghdashlou, I don't know, Patricia Clarkson for Pieces of April,
Marcia gay Harden for Mystic River, and Holly Hunter for Thirteen. Yeah.
So what do you think about that field? Does that
kind of put it into perspective? Like is that why
Renees Elwiger won? Again?
Speaker 2 (27:49):
I think she just had the better, the more noticeable
role in that, and some would argue coming in at
an hour, she's in every seen from then on. Some
of these other ladies they ain't. Marcia gay Harden is
not in more than half of Mystic River, you know
(28:10):
what I mean? I think Holly Hunter and Marcia gay
Harden for for me, uh, I could see I get
the nomination.
Speaker 1 (28:20):
The win.
Speaker 2 (28:21):
I do sort of feel like, hey, we didn't get
you know, she didn't get anything for this, and again,
you know she's already done.
Speaker 1 (28:30):
I think Bridget Jones.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
I mean, this isn't her first time, so I kind
of felt like, and it is a role that seems
like you could reward her with this kind of role.
Yeah too, I think the competition, I think she kind
of got lucky, even though she went on to win
another Oscar.
Speaker 1 (28:47):
So what else does she win for?
Speaker 2 (28:48):
She won Best Actress for Judy. Yeah, okay, some people
basically like the movie wasn't as good but she.
Speaker 1 (28:56):
Was, So that happens. That happens.
Speaker 2 (28:59):
But this one, I think the film really does elevate everybody.
Speaker 1 (29:03):
Who else from this cast. I mean, there's like legendary actors.
Speaker 2 (29:09):
Warstone is a bastard, but I'm gonna tell you he is,
and I don't know, Like, if you haven't seen Sexy
Beast with Ben Kingsley and him, I highly.
Speaker 1 (29:18):
Recommend that movie.
Speaker 2 (29:20):
I haven't seen it, and I like him and The
Departed obviously.
Speaker 1 (29:22):
Oh yeah, oh yeah, he's great and Sexy Beast. I
liked Brendan Gleeson, lot Phillips, Seymore Hoffman, Yes, yeah, and yeah,
thats uh. Natalie Portman's fine, but for me it was
Philip Seymour Hoffman and Brendan Gleeson kind of go along
(29:43):
with what we were talking about as Renee Zellweger. You've
got this like really good, strong, firm story, but it
just needs it needs a little juice sometimes.
Speaker 2 (29:54):
And Hoffman brought like some humor that yeah.
Speaker 1 (29:58):
And I think that's where the Those are the moments
where you see a little variety, and it makes this
film a little more dynamic than it would otherwise be
I agree, but I was surprised. It felt like every
five minutes somebody else was popping up like, oh hey,
there's that person, there's this person. Yeah. It's it's kind
of funny as a moment in time kind of thing too.
To look back and think, Yeah, I mean, I guess
(30:20):
this is where a lot of their careers were at
at the time.
Speaker 2 (30:23):
Yeah, well, they keep in mind Anthony Miguela is a
big deal. Yeah, I mean, this is two thousand and three.
English patient was just nineteen ninety nine. We're not too
far out from that. So and you're going to be
a part of a film with him, and you're talking
about you know, the crew, production crew on top of
the cast. I mean, I could see why Natalie Bortman
(30:44):
takes something like that. I can see why Killy Murphy
takes something like that. But what's crazy is what all
of these actors would end up being.
Speaker 1 (30:52):
Yeah, like it was just like Philip.
Speaker 2 (30:54):
Seymour Hoffman, what Boogie Nights, Magnolia, That's all happened, because.
Speaker 1 (30:59):
Magnoia, That's all happened. I mean, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (31:02):
But then like to go on to see what he'll do,
and then of course as we watch stuff, it makes
me miss him. But when we did the PTA podcast
and watching all everything that he had done with that.
But then yeah, and then but like killing MRT like
you think you see that kid guy, which uh, twenty
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eight days later, maybe.
Speaker 1 (31:25):
That was it, And that was also two thousand and three. Yeah,
so it's not like that had had time to breathe
and for him to become that star.
Speaker 2 (31:32):
But he worked with Danny Boyle on Nathey men Gillin. Yes,
there's something to be said by that. But yeah, I
love Brendan Gleeson. I don't know where I got lost
in it, but I thought Brendan Gleason was her husband
at first, Renee's husband, and then when she said daddy later,
I'm like, oh, that makes the way.
Speaker 1 (31:50):
I'm happy to.
Speaker 2 (31:51):
Hear that actually, because I was thinking, but you know,
back then, I mean, Nicole Kivin wouldn't be with Ray
Winstone anyway.
Speaker 1 (31:57):
No, come on, no, wait, I mean I don't know.
Speaker 2 (31:59):
He does have something about him, big.
Speaker 1 (32:01):
Man, big Burley man. I mean you see who.
Speaker 2 (32:04):
She was attracted to, the handsome Yeah, the handsome Jude Law.
Speaker 1 (32:08):
Yeah, always those handsome Jude Law types with the girl.
This movie was made on a budget of seventy nine
million dollars. That makes sense. They tried to They wanted
it to be as authentic as possible, and they ended
up shooting a lot of this in Romania because it's
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not as developed as North Carolina was it's like you think,
you don't think about it until you go to start
filming and you realize. And we got paved roads everywhere,
We've got power lines up everywhere. It's tough to hide
some of that. So they took the film over to
Romania and filmed in parts of Transylvania as well. Whoa Dracula.
(32:54):
Dracula could have shown up for all we know. But
all in all, there were some things that like they
wanted to keep the budget tight, Like Tom Cruise wanted
to play Jude Law's role in this, but the studio
was like, we're not giving you twenty million dollars, which
is what he was asking for the time.
Speaker 2 (33:14):
Twenty million, he says it to ask to be in
a movie, and but still say, but I mean obviously
on my twenty million.
Speaker 1 (33:19):
Yeah. Yeah. So they opt to keep the budget trimmed
and go with Jude Law instead, which I feel like
too much. Cruise would have been weird in this movie.
It's too much. It would have been too.
Speaker 2 (33:34):
He got to do Last Samurai, yeah.
Speaker 1 (33:36):
Which was also three. If I'm not mistaken, it's right
around there. Yeah. So, uh, they did some things to
get the budget to stay down around eighty, which I
think it was initially greenlit at like forty, and they
just kept going up and up and up. So it
goes to the it's released, and it goes on this
run in the US and Canada generates one hundred and
(33:59):
seventy three million dollars. I'm watching this, Brandon thinking, first
of all, like I don't feel like you see movies
like this anymore these days. That's very true. One hundred
and seventy three million dollars for a two hour and
forty minute civil war romance epic. I just don't know,
(34:20):
Like it's hard for me to see a film like
this being this wildly successful in twenty twenty five.
Speaker 2 (34:25):
Oh no, it wouldn't. It wouldn't. I think back then,
star power meant a lot more.
Speaker 1 (34:31):
Yeah, fair enough.
Speaker 2 (34:33):
Yeah, you also have fans of the book.
Speaker 1 (34:36):
Yeah, I mean it was a wildly popular book.
Speaker 2 (34:38):
Like I said, my mom and I went, and I
think it came out around the holidays.
Speaker 1 (34:43):
Yeah, I think it was released release date December twenty fifth,
on Christmas.
Speaker 2 (34:48):
A lot of that can also plays a part, But
I think back then star power meant meant a lot
more than it does.
Speaker 1 (34:56):
It does today. So let me ask you this. We
were talking about the award earlier. The best picture field
that year obviously that was this was the year that
Return of the King just ran rough shot over the Oscars,
Lord of the Rings. Return of the King gets Best Picture,
also nominated Lost in Translation, Master and Commander, The Far
Side of the World, Mystic River, and Sea Biscuit. Is
(35:20):
there room for Cold Mountain in that field? That's a
pretty damn good field for Best Picture that year. Yeah,
I mean I'm taking Seabiscuit out there.
Speaker 2 (35:30):
Yeah, cold Mountain then, yeah, I think that's I think
that's the call.
Speaker 1 (35:35):
Seabiscuit can kiss my ass. Yeah, I don't.
Speaker 2 (35:37):
I remember being really bored by it, but I have
not seen it, probably since I saw it in theaters.
Speaker 1 (35:41):
Maybe we should add it to our movie review.
Speaker 2 (35:44):
Listen, there is it, Toby mguire, Jeff Bridges, Let's see,
here's a big I mean, that was another big one,
but I just remember not liking it that much.
Speaker 1 (35:53):
Chris Cooper, Elizabeth Banks is in Biscuits, William H. Macy
who directed that. That was directed by Gary Ross.
Speaker 2 (36:04):
I feel like he's probably done a lot of good stuff,
but I haven't.
Speaker 1 (36:08):
Gary Ross has done. I'm glad that we've taken this.
He did the Tale of Despero Okay, that mouse animated movie.
He did The Hunger Games, okay, Free State of Jones,
Ocean's eight. Pleasantville in nineteen ninety.
Speaker 2 (36:26):
Eight, Yeah, okay, Pleasantville probably got him. See Biscuit job,
Trial and Error is that with Jeff Daniels And.
Speaker 1 (36:33):
Oh he didn't direct those, I'm sorry he wrote those.
Oh okay, and then he wrote big Oh, mister baseball Dave,
I'm gonna be honest with you. I don't know how
Gary Ross got Sea Biscuit.
Speaker 2 (36:48):
It's Pleasantville, Pleasantville, I'm gonna say Pleasantville.
Speaker 1 (36:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (36:52):
That was a big hit, made a lot of money
for what the budget was. I believe there were some
nominations involved, and so that would probably explain why he
would get Toby maguire back and get Chris Cooper, which
Chris Cooper I think was coming off of an Oscar
Win from adaptation.
Speaker 1 (37:12):
It would have been about the same time.
Speaker 2 (37:13):
Yeah, so but anyway, yeah, I would take I could.
I I'm kind of surprised see Biscuit beat Cole Mountain,
considering it was getting all the nomination.
Speaker 1 (37:23):
I mean, cold Mountain did get seven OSCAR nominations Best
Picture not one of them, but you had Jude Law
for Best Actor, Zellweger for Supporting Actress, John Seeley for Cinematography,
UH film Editing, Original Score, and then it actually had
two nominations for Best Original Song. Yeah, I heard Alison
Krause on one of them. It was that was Another thing,
(37:47):
is like the music kind of felt like the core
of Appalachia. I mean it was very very it was
very distinct. Yeah, very When we lay it all out
like this, it is a surprisingly complete film be two
hours and forty minutes, like I really am. It almost
seems it almost now seems now that we say it
(38:07):
out loud, it seems egregious that Seabiscuit was nominated for
Best Film over.
Speaker 2 (38:12):
This, you know what, And usually the rule kind of applies,
and you can probably look at this, but since Anthony
Miguela was not nominated for Best Director, that probably wasn't
going to get business make sure.
Speaker 1 (38:23):
Yeah, well, I've got one more thing to ask you
before we get out of here. This might be somewhat controversial,
but I feel like we're grandfathered in because we're almost
thirty nine years old. There's a lot of younger people
that are watching this film and just completely rejecting the
premise solely because Jude Lost character fought for the Confederacy. Oh,
(38:47):
I see. I personally think that it actually enhances the
movie that he fought for the Confederacy, because I think
it shows how truly compllicated things were back then.
Speaker 2 (39:02):
And that is not just all black and white.
Speaker 1 (39:05):
It's not.
Speaker 2 (39:09):
To say that can mean many things, but I mean
I think that if he yeah, I mean, if it
wasn't the Confederacy, I'm not quite sure.
Speaker 1 (39:20):
I think it's The film does a good job of
portraying that, like not everybody was so gung ho, like
we don't even hear like Jude Law talking about wanting
to fight in this war. And it goes back to
like the historical accuracy of it is that you kind
of get the sense that he chooses her over the war.
(39:45):
There are some people in the little town that are
ecstatic that they want the war and they want to
go fight.
Speaker 2 (39:51):
And he kind of pretends when he walks out, yeah,
when it's first saying we're going to war.
Speaker 1 (39:56):
Yeah, But.
Speaker 2 (39:59):
Obviously, and I think what I think the main thing
that you get out of it is whatever side. The
horrors of war is what it is. But also you're
right him basically a deserter trying to go back to her,
because I think there is this realization that there it's
not it's not worth it.
Speaker 1 (40:19):
It's not worth it.
Speaker 2 (40:20):
But he's all seen and has and ann was there
and endured.
Speaker 1 (40:25):
It's not it's not worth it. So I mean, to me,
like everybody's titled to their opinion, but I don't know.
I just don't think that is. I don't think you're
really displaying good critical thinking skills.
Speaker 2 (40:38):
I don't even know why that's a bit Why would
that I don't even I didn't really even think about it.
Speaker 1 (40:44):
I just thought, oh, a man in war.
Speaker 2 (40:45):
And I mean, but yeah, it I think it's it's
a film on the of the times and that's not
like you know, he lived there, but that I mean,
sometimes you went to war, you didn't have to believe
in it. And I believe that there's things that I'm
sure people have said that about Vietnam, Iraq war. I mean,
I don't think it's just in the Civil War of
(41:06):
people went to war, but did they want to be there.
Speaker 1 (41:10):
I was about to say like, is there a moment
in this film where you think Jude Law's character, Man,
this guy just really wants to go to war. This guy,
this guy really understands what they're fighting for, right, And
like it's yeah, I don't know, it's it's a it's
a complex ideal. And like I said, I mean, people
(41:32):
are titled to their opinion, but I I don't really
think it's fair for this film to draw criticism from
from younger generations for for that reason, it seems it
seems like you're reaching a little bit and not really
Like I said, this might be more than a little
bit lack of lack of critical thinking there. Yeah, but
that's agree with that. That's all I got. Did you
(41:53):
do you have a star rating for Cold Mountain?
Speaker 2 (41:56):
I'd say three and a half or four.
Speaker 1 (41:58):
I gave it a four. I really liked it. It's
one of like I'd love to have this in my
personal collection, but I think I think I've got a
DVD of it somewhere because I wanted to.
Speaker 2 (42:09):
See it, Like we talked about where just like the
production design and the atmosphere, cinematography, the performances and also
I mean going back to kind of what we initially
said at the top it they just don't make them. Yeah, like,
rather you can set for two hours and forty minutes
and enjoy it or what and not or be bored
(42:33):
or think it's too slow.
Speaker 1 (42:34):
Whatever.
Speaker 2 (42:35):
They just don't make those kinds of films anymore, No,
And I think a lot of it is because, I mean,
the business has changed so much.
Speaker 1 (42:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (42:43):
Sure, Anthony Miguela is not here anymore, so he's not
an advocate for it. But you know, there are a
lot of things that said about Cold Mountain can be
said for the English patient, so you know sometimes that
that's also just a huge credit to the film as well.
But yeah, no, I'm glad we got to do it.
(43:03):
And for anybody that gets to hopefully listen to more
than fifteen minutes of Nicole Kidman, we'll be able to
actually watch it on a I guess it's a big
screen that'd be sick if they just rolled out those
like carts from school in which is.
Speaker 1 (43:16):
A TV tube. TV and TV says.
Speaker 2 (43:19):
Okay, everyone, can y'all come down here?
Speaker 1 (43:21):
Yep, come sit Indian style in the We.
Speaker 2 (43:23):
Could only get this on VHS, so you need to
come on down.
Speaker 1 (43:27):
Uh, that's uh, that's gonna do it for us another
episode of Movie Review Rewind. Spooky Season is on the horizon,
and uh, we're gonna have an episode, a new episode
of Movie Review Rewind for you every Friday throughout the
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(43:51):
We're gonna get on out of here today. For Brandon,
I'm stony, and until next time, you stay classy moviegoers.
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