Vick's Flicks, Ep. 167: Superman

Brandon, Brett, and Stoney get together to break down James Gunn's 'Superman' on this episode of The Vick's Flicks Podcast!

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:01):
And now, ladies and gentlemen, the SOBS Network proudly brings
to you some in depth movie discussion with our resident
film critic, Brandon.

Speaker 2 (00:12):
Vic At the evening, everyone, the Vick Flicks Podcast is here.

Speaker 3 (00:32):
Welcome back for another episode of the vix Flicks Podcast
right here on Nashville Movie Dispatch. I'll be your host
for the show that e I see at Sobros Network,
Big Natural Stony Keeley. You can follow me on Twitter
at Stony Keeley. Collectively we are at Sobros Network, and
of course all of our movie work can be found
on Nashville Movie Dispatch at Nashvillemoviedispatch dot substack dot com.

(00:55):
Joined as usual by the star of the show himself,
the man whose namesake it bears. He is a board
member of the Music City Film Critics Association. He is
a member of the Southeastern Film Critics Association. He's our
resident film critic here on Nashville Movie Dispatch, mister big
shot himself Brandon Vick. Brandon, how you doing on this
fine Monday morning, Definitely not Sunday evening the night before,

(01:19):
right Monday morning, fresh, ready to talk about Superman?

Speaker 2 (01:22):
Felling good? Got my carb mastered chocolate milk. Yeah, a
blueberry muffin.

Speaker 3 (01:28):
Man, blueberry muffins are I think it's low key. One
of the best breakfast foods out there. Doesn't get the
credit it deserves.

Speaker 2 (01:37):
I like them and if you I usually put them
in the microwave for like twelve seconds.

Speaker 3 (01:43):
Do you put butter on top of them? Or is
that too far?

Speaker 2 (01:46):
I have? But no, I haven't done that in all.

Speaker 3 (01:49):
I'll slice him in half, put a little bit of
butter on both sides and put them in the toaster
oven and toast them.

Speaker 2 (01:54):
For a little bit.

Speaker 3 (01:56):
Very good.

Speaker 2 (01:56):
That could be good. Yeah, I've been I really. One
of my go tos is there is a like a
Keto cinnamon bread and I'll put that in the toaster
and heat it up and then I mix in this

(02:16):
I don't know the name, but basically it's it's like
a natural sugar and I mix it with cinnamon and
I sprinkle that on top of butter and so it's
a healthier version of a cinnamon toast.

Speaker 3 (02:30):
Living life.

Speaker 2 (02:31):
It's good. It's really good.

Speaker 4 (02:36):
What else?

Speaker 2 (02:36):
What? No, we don't have anything else about?

Speaker 4 (02:40):
What else?

Speaker 2 (02:40):
Dora you for breakfast? No, that's it. I am a
breakfast guy. Though I my wife is not a breakfast person.
They don't eat it. And and I remember my uncle
saying this on vacation once. When I wake up, I'm
basically ready to eat breakfast, and my ancle was like,
I don't know how you just wake up and knee breakasts,

(03:02):
Like I kind of have to sit for like a
little bit, you know. But he drinks coffee, and I do.
I'm not a coffee drinker. I don't do.

Speaker 3 (03:10):
I gotta have it. Takes two cups of coffee in
the morning just to start my heart. Well.

Speaker 2 (03:15):
See, and you're not listen, you're not alone. But for me,
that's like, no, there's two things I have to do
every morning. Take my allergy medicine and get me some breakfast.

Speaker 4 (03:27):
See.

Speaker 3 (03:27):
What's weird is if I sleep in, like on the weekends,
if I can sleep until I mean these days, eight
o'clock is late for me. But if I sleep until
eight and wake up naturally my stomach's growling. I can eat.
I can get out of bed and eat breakfast. If
I wake up early six or seven or something, can't

(03:49):
can't go back to sleep. I have to sit for
a bit until it's like eight o'clock before I can eat.
So I don't know if it's something about like the
rhythm of my body or what. But if I wake
up early, I can't, like, my stomach feels weird until
we get to normal breakfast time. Yeah, it's very, very strange.
This is a great boadcast. We should just talk about breakfast.

Speaker 2 (04:12):
Well, let's continue after you introduce our our Oh yeah,
let's see what he likes.

Speaker 3 (04:18):
We do have that third voice you heard here, our
buddy Brett is back to talk about Superman with his Brett.
How are you doing today and what is your normal breakfast?

Speaker 5 (04:25):
I'm doing good because we're recording so early. I didn't
even get breakfast this morning. I had accidentally overslept and
had to come in my pajamas.

Speaker 4 (04:34):
Yeah, but you know I'm I am team my p jamas. Okay, okay,
I am a.

Speaker 5 (04:43):
Team sit before eating, and I can be team no breakfast.
But I've started Here's what I've started doing. I am
excited to talk about this. I've started mixing yogurt and granola. Dude,
cause me bougie for this, But I like.

Speaker 2 (05:02):
That's called healthy. I should do that more often.

Speaker 3 (05:05):
My wife turned me onto that too. It was like
almost like a healthier cereal. I think is the is
the aim, but like the Greek yogurt has something in
it that's supposed to be good for you, and then
you can kill the like sour flavor of the Greek
yogurt with just I like the the kind granola like
kind bars they do granola, Yeah, and they've got like

(05:27):
a some kind of like blueberry vanilla granola and it
has the little dried blueberries in with it. Fantastic.

Speaker 2 (05:35):
I like those kind ones they do zero sugar ones
that I'll have as a treat.

Speaker 3 (05:40):
How about that?

Speaker 2 (05:40):
But do it?

Speaker 1 (05:41):
So?

Speaker 2 (05:41):
Are you? Do you drink? You don't drink coffee?

Speaker 1 (05:43):
Do you?

Speaker 4 (05:43):
I do you do?

Speaker 2 (05:44):
I couldn't remember if you did. Did you do it
in college?

Speaker 4 (05:48):
Maybe not so much.

Speaker 5 (05:49):
But I'm I'm like stony now that like there are
people and I guess this is the way you are
there that say, you know, I don't really need caffeine
anymore than I got kind of take or leave it.

Speaker 4 (05:58):
I am not that way like I.

Speaker 2 (06:00):
Need it for you now. I'm grumpy. I'm grumpy as
shit in the morning, But I just I didn't grow up.
My mom loves coffee. My dad does not drink it.
I guess I took after him. My wife does not
drink it, but her sister, like I believe like Stony
and his wife has to have it, and if not,
they have headaches.

Speaker 3 (06:20):
It's a weird. It's a really weird feeling. It used
to not affect me when I was young. It's it's
like an addiction. Yeah, it really is. If I don't
have it, I'm grumpy in the morning, I'm like irritable
with my wife.

Speaker 2 (06:33):
I get headaches.

Speaker 3 (06:33):
I'm short. Yeah, I'll get headaches if I if I
don't have any at all. But then I also it's
like a focus thing too. I can tell a difference
when I haven't had a cup of coffee in the morning,
how I'm able to like sit and focus on my work.
It's almost like it legitimately wakes me up.

Speaker 2 (06:51):
I try to have. If I don't have my chocolate milk,
I will have my sugar free ty tea. I like that.
And I like the way Starbucks does theirs. I have
a specific way I like it, but I like it.

Speaker 5 (07:06):
Yeah, there's a meme that I saw one time that
said something like there's a few minutes every morning that
I think I'm in a good mood and having a
good day, and then my coffee wears off and I
feel that deeply, like.

Speaker 2 (07:18):
Yeah, do you well, I just don't. I'm kind of
glad I never got into it.

Speaker 4 (07:23):
Yeah, it's probably better.

Speaker 2 (07:25):
I mean, I like other stuff that I have to
get rid of, but I yeah, I just I think
when I was a kid, I thought like, oh, what
is this like? And basically, if you put like a
dump truck full of sugar and cream, you can make
anything taste good, but actual coffee. It's very weird because

(07:45):
I love the smell, but I do not like the taste.

Speaker 4 (07:48):
It's definitely acquired taste.

Speaker 2 (07:50):
Yeah, the smell is what like going into a coffee shop,
even Starbucks or whatever, or if someone's making a pot.
I love the smell of it, but I would never.

Speaker 3 (08:00):
Do you do cream and sugar in yours?

Speaker 5 (08:03):
I don't most of the time because I'm not getting black?

Speaker 4 (08:06):
Yeah? Often?

Speaker 2 (08:08):
But do you like the way I asked that, like,
I know what that tastes like? I have no idea.

Speaker 4 (08:12):
Well, and I do that.

Speaker 5 (08:14):
I do that on and off if I'm trying to
like watch calories or something like that. I won't. I
won't do that, but I mean there's a ton of
like zero. I have had seasons where I have been
what I call a coffee bro and by that I
mean Kimmex French Press, like all of the like hand
poor stuff. I just bought a really nice machine from

(08:35):
Amazon Prime days. Oh so I have a new machine
now that I'm pretty excited about. But usually I drink
it black. JC likes cream in it.

Speaker 4 (08:43):
Okay, I do.

Speaker 3 (08:44):
I do cream and cream only unless I like a flavor.
I like a flavored cream, and if I don't have
that option, then I'll sprinkle like maybe two packs of
sugar or something, and it's too kind of sweeten it off.

Speaker 2 (08:57):
You don't use sugar, one of you.

Speaker 3 (09:00):
No, No, because I mean if you get some of
these like flavored creamers, like there's already sugar. I was
going to say, I would imagine, yeah, and it can be,
it can be a lot.

Speaker 2 (09:12):
But I got to never do.

Speaker 3 (09:14):
The plain black is almost like too acidic on my stomach.
And every time I drink it black, it I end
up getting heartburn. So I'm like you, I put the
cream in and it's fine. So I don't know how
the science behind how that works.

Speaker 4 (09:28):
But it does.

Speaker 2 (09:29):
Do you guys and let me know when we have
a few minutes talk about Superman. Do you guys only
drink it in the morning or do you drink it
throughout the day?

Speaker 3 (09:43):
I will drink it.

Speaker 2 (09:44):
Is there a cutoff?

Speaker 3 (09:46):
I I've gotten better about this because it did get
to a point where, I mean, you remember, like the
early days of Sobros. When I was pumping out like
eight articles a day and we were still doing podcasts
and stuff like that. I would drink cups of coffee
at like six to seven o'clock at night to help
me stay up later. And then I started, you know,

(10:10):
this is what a podcast. This is like. The older
you get, your body starts changing. Your your metabolism slows down.
You start to realize you like, if you eat something,
you feel it. You Like, I started to get to
a point where like my hands would be sweat. It'd
be like eleven o'clock at night and my hands would
be clammy. I would be like, my heart would be racing,

(10:33):
my stomach would be upset, and I was like, what
could possibly be causing this? And then you read into
it and it's like, yeah, you shouldn't be drinking coffee
past like noon.

Speaker 2 (10:43):
I'll be honest, I always thought it was gross when
like I remember being in office types and like people
would go get coffee and it was like not like
not even like the Frappa channel stuff where people go
to Starbucks and kind of you know, depending on what
time of day it is, is a different drink where
they would just drink that same car throughout the day
and they'd have it three and four in the afternoon.
I thought, Oh, I still.

Speaker 3 (11:06):
I'm really bad about it at the holidays because I
just love the holiday flavors and there's something about like
a driving around looking at Christmas lights with a warm
cup of coffee.

Speaker 2 (11:15):
In your hands, hot chocolate you see.

Speaker 3 (11:17):
Well you should have hot Chocolate's too sweet for me
as well. I can't do it too often. I usually
I try to keep it to like one to two
cups a season.

Speaker 2 (11:25):
But oh, okay, that white chocolate, hot chocolate goodness, so
much Starbucks.

Speaker 3 (11:31):
Yeah, But I used to be that way where it
was like, wow, two cups. I would have a cup
when I woke up in the morning. Once I got
to the office, I would make another cup and then
I would eat lunch around noon, and I would have
a cup after lunch, and then I would have another
cup at like two thirty three, and then some nights
to keep me working, I would have another one at

(11:52):
like six to eight at night. But then I cut
back and now I unless it's a treat in those
rare situations where I get one, like after dinner or something, Yeah,
then I drink my two cups in the morning and
that's that's it.

Speaker 2 (12:08):
But see, you're not a big soda drinker.

Speaker 3 (12:10):
No, I'm not.

Speaker 2 (12:11):
Are you a soda drinker?

Speaker 5 (12:12):
Not so much anymore. I used to be on time.

Speaker 2 (12:14):
Yeah, And I think that's kind of where my thing is.
I only drink basically zero sugar stuff, but I love
zero sugar cokes. Now, I will say, for the most part,
I only have one a day, sometimes to a day.

Speaker 5 (12:28):
But do you drink those early, like for caffeine or no?

Speaker 2 (12:33):
No, No, it's something in a weird way I look
forward to because it's I kind of see it as
a treat because most part is morning stuff. But I
will have usually i'll have it at lunch. I don't
really have it at dinner that much, but I will
have one at lunch or if I get let me
tell you something. If I get popcorn at a movie,

(12:54):
my wife will say, just get a water, and I said,
oh hell to the no. If I get popcorn, I
gotta have a soda. And it's either coke zero, which
I will say. AMC does have all my coke zero stuff,
but I'm not. I don't go there that often. But
Pepsi zero sugar is pretty good.

Speaker 4 (13:10):
Yeah I will.

Speaker 2 (13:12):
I won't have that because I'll be honest. Having the
regular stuff, it tastes syrupy. I actually don't like it.
I don't like regular coke. I don't like regular pepsi.
It tastes grows now, yeah, not used to.

Speaker 3 (13:25):
I've built up a similar, similar sort of tolerance and.

Speaker 2 (13:28):
The same thing, and I hope people are still listening.
I will tell you the last year, we were somewhere
as a vacation, or maybe we were staying at my
mother in laws, I can't remember, but somebody had purity
chocolate milk, which I used to love and drink all
the time. And it was one of those small ones
like you get like the gas station. I tell you what.

(13:50):
That thing tasted so sugary. It was discut like I
could not believe that I was drinking that and it
tasted good like It just goes to show if you
can change taste. But I can't ever really give up soda.
The zero sugar coke and zero sugar Cherry coke and
zero sugar Doctor Pepper are delicious.

Speaker 3 (14:09):
When I get the craving, I do like a good
diet coke with a meal. I don't know what kind
of sense.

Speaker 2 (14:14):
See, I don't like diet coke either.

Speaker 3 (14:15):
But I uh, whenever I get the hankering for some bubbles,
I go with the Seltzer water.

Speaker 2 (14:21):
Oh really, I have the like the flavored water, like
the ice. Oh okay, and I like that. I like
the black black cherry, black cherry, and the one that
tastes like seven up. It's a lemon lime type thing,
but it does taste like seven up. And when I
used to drink liquor, if you poured that in that
that tasted that tasty.

Speaker 5 (14:41):
I'm really glad that y'all invited me to be on
this episode The Growing Male.

Speaker 2 (14:46):
Well, listen, let me tell you. We usually start with
the weather. So the fact that we started on breakfast
and drinks, which by the way, there's there is a
lot of discussion about coffee now, and I I'm just like,
I'm shocked I didn't get into it. I'm shocked I
didn't like sugar in it. And I guess I just
took after my dad, because my mom drinks it to
this day now. She didn't drink it in the afternoon,

(15:07):
but she would have at least two or three cups
in the morning because she would get up at like
six in the morning and that's when she worked. And
Dad never did it. And I'm just like, I guess
I just did what he did because But another thing,
which I'll get off of it, but you were talking about,
like he loves cereal, and so does my mom. I
hate cereal. I don't eat cereal. I don't like it.

(15:28):
I don't like it at all.

Speaker 3 (15:29):
I think my wife could eat it. Like we've got
three or four boxes of cereal in the pantry at
all time, and I maybe eat like two bowls of
cereal a year.

Speaker 2 (15:38):
The fact of thinking of eating cereal sogged down by
milk makes makes it sounds gross to me.

Speaker 5 (15:45):
I could hel some cereal right now.

Speaker 2 (15:49):
And you know what, And the thing is, I tried it,
and I laughed. I laughed a few months ago, we
got lucky charms. My son ate the marshmallows, and I
swear to God that's what I did. I only ate
the marshmallows.

Speaker 4 (16:03):
I will.

Speaker 3 (16:04):
I pour my cereal in the milk, and I wait
a few minutes so that the cereal can get a
little soggy before I eat it.

Speaker 2 (16:11):
Really, yeah, I just think of it that like someone's
already chewed on it.

Speaker 3 (16:16):
I don't know it all right, Uh Superman?

Speaker 2 (16:19):
Yeah, sorry, speaking of the biggest movie, So I guess
biggest movie of the year so far.

Speaker 3 (16:25):
Yeah, and it kind of feels like one of those
films they're not to say they're.

Speaker 2 (16:28):
Having Blockbuster go ahead.

Speaker 3 (16:32):
Yeah, but this kind of feels like the first movie
that everybody's going to see, Like everybody I know that
fair has made time to go see Superman. And yeah,
I don't know. It's really interesting because it does kind
of feel like there is a divide between like the
diehard comic book fans, diehard super fans seem to be
loving this movie and the people the divide seems to

(16:55):
be the people that maybe aren't so familiar with the
character or aren't like comic book people.

Speaker 2 (17:02):
Do they love Zack Snyder or loves.

Speaker 3 (17:05):
The Snyder bros. Are still out there for sure talking
about comparing this to Zack Snyder Superman in the Stark
Contract and the seriousness really really interesting. But it does
kind of feel like there is a divide on this
movie between the morse I don't want to say serious
film critics, but maybe the people that aren't as attached

(17:28):
to the character as the comic book fans are, which
I think is an interesting place to start for this
just generally speaking, like which camp are you in?

Speaker 2 (17:40):
Oh, I'm probably somewhere in the middle. Yeah, I enjoyed it.
I don't read comic books, so I don't know anything
that I think. I think what we were talking about
where you kind of have some knowledge going in, I
actually I don't really know shit about Superman except for

(18:03):
the basics, which is ye, him, Lois and Lex Luthor.
But I also wouldn't say, like to me, I didn't
leave like it's a good movie, but I didn't leave
thinking it was like the greatest comic book movie or
that it was a nice start for James Gunn's DC

(18:25):
Studios on.

Speaker 3 (18:26):
The spectrum of comic book movies over the last like
decade or so good to bad. Where would Superman fit
for you? I mean specifically in comic book movies, I.

Speaker 2 (18:37):
Mean just comic book movies. Yeah, I mean I would,
I mean I would consider it better than most Marvel. Yeah, Marvel,
I've kind of put Multiverse of Madness. Well, I don't
know in ten years, is Shane Chee in there too?

Speaker 3 (18:57):
Yeah, it would be okay.

Speaker 2 (18:58):
Shane ch is the highest.

Speaker 3 (19:00):
Twenty fifteen was like ant Man, so just after Avengers too.

Speaker 2 (19:05):
I feel like that kind of Shane chi is kind
of top top tier. Yeah, I really like Thunderbolts. I
mean DC wise, I mean, listen, the Batman is the Batman. Yeah,
that's their borderline untouchable. So it's almost kind of right in.

(19:26):
I mean, it's not top, it's not top shelf, and
I wouldn't even probably go I would probably go a
couple of tiers under that. As far as Superman movies.

Speaker 3 (19:35):
It's a low bar correct.

Speaker 2 (19:37):
And but part of me and I want to read
something because I saw this today and thought, you know what,
I get what he's saying. It's Mark Johnson, who I
follow on Twitter. It's at Mark Likes Movies, says I
think the past eighteen years have lowered everyone's standards, and
I do think there is some truth to that that

(20:00):
James Gunn's movie is far from perfect, I think, but
I think it does a great job at capturing what
fans have been wanting to see and maybe have gotten
glimpses of it with. Rather it's the Superman shows that
have happened, or specifically maybe from I don't even know

(20:23):
if we want to like Superman returns, but especially Snyder
Verse stuff with Henry cavill. I do see where this
is a breath of fresh air. I think it is
a nice kind of restart. But I also feel like
as a critic, I watch this movie for what it is,
not reading anything that might add to it, and I

(20:46):
do kind of feel like, Okay, you know what, it's
a nice start, but I don't think it has like
it didn't change the game for me as far as
just that. But again, I liked it. It's a very
comic book movie. I told you guys, I got on

(21:07):
top of just James Gunn's DNA with like Guardian stuff
and the Suicide Squad things, and he's done the humor,
the vibe of it, some of the music it did
kind of remind me of like the old Sam Raimi
Spider Man. Yeah, and that's mostly yes, but that's a
very comic book movie where it's kind of silly and goofy,

(21:33):
but it also captures a lot of what people liked
and what was in the comic books and kind of
the tone it wants to set, even though I think
it gives get a bit uneven with this one, a
little bit okay, but but yeah, I don't. I've certainly
there are better I've seen a lot worse. But I

(21:54):
think James Gunn is the perfect guy to do these
kinds of movies, even if I may not totally agree
with how it was ultimately told and shown.

Speaker 3 (22:07):
What about you, Brett, where are you at with Well?
First of all, like your familiarity with the Superman character
and whether or not you think your love of the
comic books is something that is going to impact your
enjoyment of this film.

Speaker 5 (22:23):
Yeah, I'm I am not. I'm not into the Superman comics,
so I don't know. Like, since I've seen the movie,
I've done a fair amount of reading of people saying,
you know, this connected to All Star Superman or Superman
All Star, whichever order it is. There, you know, just
these various, like very specific stories in the comic books

(22:47):
that said.

Speaker 2 (22:48):
Sorry, can I say to your point, I look this up,
and you're right. It looks like you got. It's called
All Star Superman and it it ran from November of
five October of eight, and it said that it revolved
around Superman who's actually dying to his overexposure to ar
son as he accomplishes many heroic feats, and it says

(23:11):
the twelve Labors of Superman and attempts to make peace
with the world before his imminent death. I would not
think that's where he would get inspiration from, as it
kind of seems like it's Superman on his way out.
But but I read the same thing and it's it's
supposedly All Star Superman.

Speaker 5 (23:27):
And I think there's a few other connections.

Speaker 4 (23:29):
Of comic books.

Speaker 2 (23:30):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I think you're.

Speaker 5 (23:32):
Right that said I liked the movie without reservation. I'll
say that if we want to say in the last decade,
let's say post Avengers Endgame, which I feel like is
a very good natural dividing line for a lot of people. Yeah,
I think this is certainly one of the better iterations
we've gotten. I think the thing to me, even not

(23:54):
having that connection to the comic books, I had kind
of heard that, you know, this is more of a
comic book movie. This is more of I've heard others
describe it as a Saturday Morning cartoon. Yeah, and I'm
into that. Like that that works for me. Honestly, what
didn't work for me as much or I don't even

(24:14):
know if I want to say didn't work, But the
part where I had hesitation was the parts that touched
really close to real life now, like I wish that
they would have leaned even more. I mean, you brought
up the Sam Raimi Spider Man's like those are very clear,
like Okay, here's this bad guy who just hates the

(24:34):
good guy and they're against each other, and like if
it's going to be escapist, let's let's escape, let's do it.
You know.

Speaker 2 (24:43):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, so yeah.

Speaker 3 (24:47):
James Gunn does kind of take some liberties. I think
it's it's an interesting decision to not really not really
piece together in origin story. Like you you would think like, oh,
this is a fresh start for DC, They're gonna start over.
This is ground zero kind of deal, but it's not
an origin story at all, I think he does ask

(25:09):
fans to be a little up to speed on who
these characters are and what their motives are and that
sort of thing. Do you think that's the right call.
Does it enhance the movie or do you think that's
probably a source of what is drawing some criticism is
that maybe he didn't take time to introduce the characters.

Speaker 5 (25:30):
Personally, I liked it a lot because there's been enough
Superman movies recently that even if you're someone like me
that's not familiar with the comic books, really not even
familiar with the you know, first movies in this.

Speaker 4 (25:48):
Franchise, that it you know, those beats.

Speaker 5 (25:53):
You know, he's an alien, you know he was sent
here by his parents. You know his parents on Earth
are not And so just to kind of jump straight
in like that was refreshing to me because otherwise I'm
just waiting to get through that part so that we
can get on with whatever this new story is.

Speaker 2 (26:11):
Yeah, I agree, I don't need to. I don't need
to find out that his world's coming to an end
and his parents ship him off like that's fine and honestly,
and then you know, with his Kansas parents, that's a
lot of time spent on stuff that we've already that
we already know, and obviously we're going to get pieces
of it. Anyway, As far as to me, I don't

(26:33):
I really like, I only know how Jordan the Green Lantern,
and that's only because there's been movies made with Green Lantern.
I mean, it's not like I really know that story.
So I don't mind these, you know, these new characters.
And Stony and I were talking about this earlier where
I'm kind of glad we don't start showing kind of
the big names like aquamaned like we not only is

(26:55):
there time for that, but we've seen it, So I'd
like that he's kind of shining the light on characters
that well. For me, I didn't really know anything about
mister Terrific. I didn't even know that Element told man
I had, I had, no, I don't know anything about them.
I do think that maybe sometimes it did kind of

(27:17):
feel like maybe there were too many characters that you
didn't know and you didn't quite know how it fit
into like this story, or like I don't need an
origin story for everybody, but I did kind of feel
like there were some where like they kind of came
in and then we're taken back out and I didn't
really get much out of it. Now maybe it's because

(27:37):
I don't I'm not caught up and who the people are,
But then they also would have their like mister Terrific
to me was a seam sealer, Like I actually did
not realize he would.

Speaker 1 (27:50):
Like.

Speaker 2 (27:51):
I like the guy, who's the guy that's played by
Nathan Fillion, Yeah, who's a James gunn regular at this stay.
I like, I liked him in it, but for some
reason I would expected more out of him, but instead
mister Terrific came along, and I'm like, oh, I really
like like, I like him, and I know he's I

(28:14):
know he's in something because he's His delivery seemed very familiar.
But at the same time, I just don't know if
all of it was necessary, And I did think some
of it did kind of feel either like kind of
falling on like the thin side, or kind of undefined

(28:35):
as far as like who they are. But is that
chalked up to well, that's because we're gonna have a
lantern show and well, you know, mister Terrific show. Like,
but I can only look at this movie and decide,
like I clearly he's building out of everything. I get it,
he's restarting something but also trying to expand it, and

(28:58):
that's a tough that's a kind of a thing to balance.
But there were times where it kind of did feel like, like, oh, okay,
Lady Hawk and stuff or Hawk is it Lady Hawk,
Lady that's a.

Speaker 5 (29:09):
Different movie, Lady Hawk is my new band.

Speaker 2 (29:12):
Yeah, yeah, and it's a dreamer of smash Mouth in it. Okay,
And but I did kind of feel like we didn't
need all of them to kind of tell this story.
But again, you know, I mean, I don't want to
make this too confusing for everybody, but I'm like, well, yeah,

(29:34):
I mean, mister Terrific did have like some pretty good
scenes and I loved Stony's wife had mentioned it earlier,
and it kind of did remind me of in Guardians too,
the whistle arrow. Mister Terrific does that thing with his
balls and she's Lois Is looking and I'm like that
it's stuff like that that that is cool. And I

(29:57):
really did like mister Terrific. I think he was kind
of my MVP outside of like the three main ones.
But I but I and I don't know if I'm
jumping the gun here. But to that point, with some
of these other characters, I also feel like, for instance,
Lois Lane kind of gets forgotten in the mix. She

(30:18):
kind of pops in, pops back out, and she's kind
of on this other journey with them trying to and
I feel like we don't really get enough of her
in Superman because I think one of the best scenes
is the interview that she does within the house, and
I love Rachel Browsman in it. She is Miss masle Fame.

(30:38):
I think she's great. I just wish we kind of
got more of her and not more of like some
scenes that just seem to me it just wasn't necessary
in the big scheme of things. But I mean again,
that may play out as we as this world builds.

Speaker 5 (30:53):
But you know, I was, and this is kind of
Devil's Advocate a little bit. I understand you're saying, and
I don't. I don't outright disagree. I will say going in,
I had a concern that they there were too many characters,
and specifically that there were gonna be too many villains,
something that was a pleasant surprise for me because we've

(31:15):
seen plenty of Superhero movies, in particular Spider Man three,
Sam Raimi. Spider Man three is a good example to
me that it's like you can't focus on who's the
real like Battie here, because we're we're split kind of
you know, opposition, And I was worried that could be
a problem with this movie, but it quickly becomes clear

(31:37):
they're all under Lex Luthor, like they are to some
degree his minion sent out, and so I thought it
worked better in that reguard. And on the other side,
Superman's not in control of all the good guys so
to speak, but he's yeah, he's the head of that tree.
And so it worked for me in that way that

(31:59):
there were still too clearly defined sides.

Speaker 2 (32:01):
Well on what stories, Like there are already things established,
yes that you're kind of walking in and Superman's on
his thing three years him and Lowest three months. What's
the what's the name of guy's thing plant? What is it?

Speaker 3 (32:16):
The Justice Gang?

Speaker 2 (32:17):
Is that what they Yeah, that's what they call it, right, yeah,
and like that, Like so part of it is kind
of just accepting it, But then there are part.

Speaker 3 (32:26):
Like imagine watching this movie, if you don't know what
a green lantern is and Guy Gardner is just like putting.

Speaker 2 (32:32):
Up Oh yeah, Oh, I mean, oh yeah, what no?

Speaker 1 (32:36):
Oh.

Speaker 2 (32:36):
I think it's easy for a casual viewer to get lost. Yeah,
there's there is no question about that. And even for
myself that's not a full blown comic book fan and
like you were talking about a Superman fan at that. Yeah,
I I like it because it does it's unique and
its presentation of these characters and those characters that aren't,

(32:57):
at least in my mind, not that well as established
or well known. But I then I think, well, I
kind of want to see more building with that Lois
Lane and other things without kind of shifting the focus
too much on a gang that maybe we learn more
about later. Like I'm also playing that game in my

(33:17):
head as I'm watching.

Speaker 3 (33:18):
Would you say that you are asking for more relationship
building and less world building?

Speaker 2 (33:25):
Yeah, little I Yeah, that's a good way to put it,
because I think the world building is already sort of there.
Like as far as where we're getting dropped off at,
I think I kind of got it with metropolistff, you know.

Speaker 4 (33:38):
What I mean?

Speaker 2 (33:38):
Yeah, so why don't we and especially when you're told,
like you know, three hundred years thirty years three, you
know whatever. And then but with Lois Lane and kind
of them early meeting, there is kind of that stuff
that gets into it where I kind of am more
drawn to that than I am maybe more of the
Justice Gang and some of the stuff were like I'm

(34:00):
not saying they don't serve a purpose, I just don't.
I just I'm I don't know. I'm not as intrigued,
I guess as I would be. But maybe it's also
because I am familiar with some of these characters and
want to know more than just somebody that's introduced where yeah,
he's a green lantern. Oh he's not the original. Okay,

(34:22):
mister Tripp, not sure you know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (34:25):
I'm I'm willing to meet you halfway in that the
interview scene poses a very interesting question how they get
through this in their relationship right that we never really
reave it, like that's a big right, that's a big question.
It's like, what you're doing, what her insinuation is is

(34:46):
that you don't have the moral authority to make the
judgment you just made, right, And they never really go
back to explore that question just at the end, and
we assume exactly oh, she's they've both gotten over the crease.

Speaker 2 (35:01):
That to the way the movie ends, and you're like, well,
that wasn't cleared like that was cleared up. It's what
makes it even more so is because I really I
thought that was one of the strongest scenes in the
entire movie because it strips it down too, like you
said of and I think a great thing about this

(35:23):
movie is yes, he's an alien, but there are those
human flaws that he has, and then she is going
after him for the decisions he's made, and it's more
of that emotional part that erupts more than actually thinking
it through, where he thinks he can just do whatever
he wants and people will love it, You love him

(35:45):
for it.

Speaker 3 (35:46):
Yeah, which I do think is a unique take on
the character as far as the Superman movies go. They've
done it in the comics obviously, but like James Gunn
putting us into a world where it's not just Superman
g by, golly gosh, I'm gonna save these kittens from
a tree, and yeah, everybody in town loves me for it.

(36:06):
The world feels pretty divided on Superman, and to me
that was kind of a refreshing angle for him to
take in this movie as well.

Speaker 2 (36:14):
And Britt, what you were saying you I I I
liked that it has some relevance to think like it
also makes me believe in what like, no matter what
side someone is on with Superman, you see the opinions
that come out, and it's almost like someone can't be

(36:35):
out to just do good. That's not like it's we
can't fathom that part I I in my notes I
have where in this day and age, in the world
we're living in, it is very topical on what James
Gunn is doing. And I like the way he presents
it because that that is a sup that Superman story

(36:56):
of just an alien, just in the purest definition of
an alien, but it's also about people are people, Yeah,
and it doesn't matter whatever walk of life that you have.
And so to me, I think there's always something where
no matter how much of a fantasy this is, I

(37:16):
think there's things in the themes and the topics that
it addresses that keeps it grounded. And it keeps it
grounded enough to where you were like, oh, like your
perspective's there now, whatever perspective you have, but it's in
this movie and you can recognize it, and James Gunn
is no dummy. He knows that you can recognize what

(37:39):
he's saying. Again, agree with it or not, but I
like some sense of reality to it because it's still
to me, it's still this I mean fantasy, right, but
with everything, and I think it kind of happens in
some of the best ones, like The Batman in a
Dark Knight. There's just those things where it's like, yeah,

(38:02):
but it's still it's it's closer to home than you
might think, even though the characters and you know, the
story overall is like you know, something that seems out
of this.

Speaker 5 (38:14):
World and you're right, like that's that way of framing
the story is not new for superhero movies at all. Yeah,
I think I think I kind of, especially some of
the early returns I heard on this, I think I
was expecting that it would be less that way. And

(38:36):
here's the thing I'm not saying, like, don't make it
touch on real world things. It just felt at points
like two different movies to me, because it was kind
of very Saturday Morning cartoon the good guy wins like
the bad guys going down, but it was also like, oh,
but also in this fantasy world where everybody's used to

(38:59):
meta human flying around. They're also about to have World
War three, and I was just hoping we could forget.

Speaker 4 (39:05):
About that for a little bit.

Speaker 3 (39:07):
Fair enough.

Speaker 2 (39:08):
Well, that's wishful thinking.

Speaker 3 (39:10):
I didn't. I never went back to actually write down
the man's actual name, but one of my notes I
just called him corn Swat. I don't know what it's David,
David David, the warmth with which which his last name
is that which I for some reason, I've never.

Speaker 2 (39:26):
Read it that way, but I think that's just I
think that's his.

Speaker 3 (39:30):
Name, the warmth with which corn Swat or whatever plays Superman,
and how it's juxtaposed with the coldness with which Nicholas
whole plays like Luthor. There's like a nothingness behind Luther's
eyes that kind of signals to viewers his singular focus
on eliminating Superman and ultimately his dastardly desires. I thought

(39:56):
the dynamic between those two and I don't mean like
chemistry in the scenes that they're they're in together, but
I just mean like the dynamic of what those two
characters at the at the heart of this conflict represented,
and the way that the two actors portrayed the characters
was something that was particular. It was a particular strength

(40:18):
of the film in my opinion.

Speaker 2 (40:20):
I couldn't agree more. There's one thing that I think
really kind of makes this film as good as it
is is the performances, especially from David Hornswoggle. Was that
his name and Nicholas Holt, because I think he's found

(40:41):
the best. I think he's found a good super Superman,
which apparently they apparently did a ton of casting for everything,
but but he is the projectionist in Pearl and apparently
James gunnsaw that and said that he had the face
of Superman. And then Nicholas Holt read for Superman and

(41:03):
it was one of like the final three and apparently
when he was reading the script he kind of really
resonated with some of the stuff that was Lex Luthor.
But he was like, you know, I kind of was
going over it because I had to focus on Superman.
And then James Gunn called him and said, hey, you know,
what do you think about playing Lex Luthor? And he's
like yeah, He's like it just made way more sense.

(41:26):
And I'm gonna tell you he is fantastic. I mean, listen,
Nicholas Hold has been great since About a Boy, but
I love the actor he has become and I really
look forward to where he takes this character. And he
had some great scenes towards the m where he lets
out his his true intentions and really like the anger, frustration, fear,

(41:48):
like it's it's awesome and it's.

Speaker 3 (41:50):
Real, Like there's still that sort of coldness even in
that moment where it's like.

Speaker 2 (41:57):
Yeah, it's ruthless.

Speaker 3 (41:58):
Ruthless that's a great word, where it's like he is
saying like you can see you can see the emotion
bubbling up in him in his body language, but it's
not coming across in his words. They're still very calculated, coherent,
And to me that was kind of biting because it
almost felt like he played this character in this moment

(42:20):
where internally like there is something that is trying to
burst out of him and he is still like keeping
that contained. And I thought it was just such a
really a really good moment for the character and a
really like he knocked it out of the park performance.

Speaker 2 (42:37):
From Hole even before where he can really kind of
like say it to his face type is when when
they're fighting and he's and it's basically like a video
game where he's like, you know, B twelve whatever, but
he's like bide batwe like but and you can see it.
But before that, and there's something happening where I think
he he thinks, who is it? Is it ultra agent?

Speaker 3 (42:58):
Who ultraman ultra man?

Speaker 2 (43:00):
And he's watching it and he tears up. He has
tears in his eyes right when he think. And it's
almost like you don't really know what it's for, like
or there's it's it's more than one meeting of why
he's feeling the way he feels. And then of course
towards the end where he's able to kind of really

(43:24):
let you know where he stands and why he's doing
what he's doing. But yeah, man, he was. He was
really good. And David is a great superman like James
Gunn hit it out of the park with him.

Speaker 3 (43:36):
I mean, even the casting of like the other ancillary
characters like mister Terrific, Guy Gardner, Supergirl shows up. That's
that's a really good casting as well, because she has
her own movie. Yeah, And I just felt like from
top to bottom, it's like, man, they got there, they
got the right people.

Speaker 2 (43:55):
They got some good Yeah, I agree, but we all
know if you when you cast a Superman and then
I mean it's like Batman and Joker. I mean, you've
got and they've they've got it. I mean, they really do.
James Gunn has something. I mean, no matter what my
kind of quarrels are with the movie, I really like
I would go see the sequel. I'm very excited about

(44:16):
what James Gunn and DC can do from here. We
were talking about I'm not sure if it's gonna all
involve Matt Reeves's stuff or not, but I like, I
like where this is going. I just kind of feel
like I don't know. I mean, I feel like sometimes
I have you have to kind of keep it at
a distance and like, yes, it's fun, but as a

(44:37):
comic book movie, what did I get out of it?
And anything else? Because I do think story wise, I
and you guys may not agree. I did kind of
feel like it was a bit messy at times where
I feel like part of it was because we were
having these moments where like the interview scene and everything else,
then it does kind of become Saturday Morning cartoon. But

(45:00):
then we kind of go into some of the characters
and it's kind of like, Okay, well all right, but
what about this? What about with this part? And so
I don't Sometimes it just felt like it was over stuff.
Maybe it was trying to do too much in one movie.
Maybe we are trying to kind of put so much
in one where we can't let some of these characters

(45:22):
show up in other things. And I'm sure there is
a grand plan for all of it. Like I said,
I can only watch one movie and take it for
what it is. But I will say with that I
already talked about performances. I have a note in here
where I did love Superman, Lex Luthor and everything. Some
really gorgeous shots. There are some great.

Speaker 3 (45:43):
Action scenes scenes.

Speaker 2 (45:45):
Yes, I haven't put any of the flying fighting sequences
I thought were great, really well done.

Speaker 3 (45:51):
Mister terrific scene where they show up at the camp
and he puts her in the protective force field and
then just kicks ass. That's that's very well done. Yeah,
very visually pleasing film, or I imagine because I saw it
at Regal Providence correct correct, dirty foggy headlights lens over it.

Speaker 2 (46:10):
Let me ask you this, So I really like the
way James Gunn does. I'm i remember really liking Slyther
and I watched that when I was younger, but especially
the Guardians movies, which I think is one of the
best trilogies. I dare say the best comic book trilogy.
I really enjoyed his Suicide Squad. Yeah, I did kind

(46:31):
of feel like sometimes that humor that he's known for
sort of felt either the humor was like it was
kind of weak, or it just felt out of place
in some scenes where I feel like if we kind
of stuck to what he was doing right before he
would add something, I felt like maybe it would be

(46:51):
more effective or be stronger and story wise. Did you
guys ever get that impression or did you ever feel like, hey, listen,
maybe too much of one and not enough on the other.

Speaker 3 (47:02):
I actually thought that he kind of I felt like
he dialed the humor back a little bit compared to
like that is true Guardians movie. To me, that was
something that bugged me. Was like, and this is like
a big heart kind of story and a lot of
these moments feel kind of shoehorned in. And I felt
like there were a couple of those moments in Superman,

(47:22):
but it it just it didn't didn't hit me the
way that it did, and he did.

Speaker 2 (47:27):
Dim it back. I'll give you that. But I feel
like some when it was placed, it was like okay,
and not that there weren't some funny moments. There are,
but then there's also times where I felt like I
just don't think it was needed, Like I felt like
that scene could have played out in it and you didn't.
You didn't need it there, and maybe he was just
trying to break it up or something, But did.

Speaker 5 (47:47):
You It worked for me for the most part, you know.
I feel like in recent years, again a now a
trope of comic book movies is they're gonna have like
little quips and now, yeah, and sometimes it's just painful
when it's fringe. Oh this does not work. Yeah, And
I felt like it worked for the most part. I

(48:08):
do agree that because that's his style. It was almost
like it had to be in there at moments when
maybe you could have done without it. But it felt
more natural to me. It did not feel that cringey
kind of we're just making I agree.

Speaker 2 (48:23):
It didn't feel as forest. It just felt like something
where it's almost like enough time it passed where he
feels like he had to do it, and I'm like,
maybe we didn't, but yeah, no, I nothing. It wasn't
painful at all. I just felt like somewhere I'm like, well,
I don't know, we didn't. I don't think we needed
to do that. But again, I mean that's a little

(48:44):
here and there. But for somebody that actually really loved
the way he kind of did it with Suicide Squad,
like Guardians, you're introduced to it. The whole trilogy is
like that, but then with Suicide Squad you kind of
saw a little bit. But again he's still it's that
goofy ceiling cartoonish part that I like a lot. But
then it's almost like with a like a Superman property,

(49:06):
it's kind of like, Okay, well, do you dip into
it too much when you don't have to? Or is
this heim establishing this is how this is gonna go,
But the next movie may not, and then other director
may not, or.

Speaker 5 (49:21):
An interesting thing on those along those lines is, and
I've heard somebody else talking about this recently, that Superman,
even throughout movies historically is a more serious character and
often has a more serious story.

Speaker 4 (49:37):
And so.

Speaker 5 (49:39):
You know, Guardians, the guy, they they're a team of
misfits and it's you know, kind of like what the
Justice suicide? Right, Yeah, and so the humor makes more
sense that in that in that way and this one,
I mean because the Superman character is still one of
the more serious characters in and maybe that's why it

(50:01):
kind of clashes at time.

Speaker 2 (50:02):
But then I'm like, okay, Like it's almost like I
hold them responsible for it. But then I think of
the other Superman movies that have come along in the
in the most recent versions, and it's like, Okay, I
see why we don't want to go down that road. Yes,
you know, so it's kind of like, well, you have
to do something.

Speaker 4 (50:19):
I would prefer this alternative.

Speaker 2 (50:20):
Yeah, I would too, I would too.

Speaker 3 (50:23):
I think what I enjoyed most about the film is
like what it really cut to that I wasn't expecting,
And it was kind of the conversation about what it
means to be human and the complexities of doing what
you think is right, Like we're all doing the best

(50:43):
that we can, but not realizing how the implications of
those actions may affect others. It was really really good
exploration of that. I thought what growth in a relationship
looks like was was pretty well represented we don't have
to be what our parents want us to be. The

(51:03):
we haven't even talked about the parents from Kansas, which
were you know, those two were a point of criticism
for a lot of people to like the over the
top caricatures of like country Bumpkins, maybe country hill building,
maybe a little bit too far, which.

Speaker 4 (51:20):
I I kind of.

Speaker 3 (51:21):
There were times and I was like, Oh, they're laying
it on thick here, but the.

Speaker 2 (51:25):
Phone stuff as if they've never seen it. But then
I really liked the conversation he has with his dad,
which I don't know about you guys, but the whole
time he's talking, I'm thinking, that's that crazy dude from
Identity so but but yeah, that's uh. But I thought
it was a sweet moment when they actually got there.
But that first scene where it's like they've never seen

(51:47):
a phone a cell phone before, was kind of like, Oh, I.

Speaker 3 (51:50):
See, I think it. It touches on like the dangers
of propaganda and in this too, and ultimately like Superman's
attitude towards humanity of being, like, for all the flaws
of the human race, everyone is still deserving of love
and redemption, which I thought was a powerful thing and

(52:12):
his line in the movie when he's telling lois like,
maybe that's the real punk rock to me, Like, if
you could sum this movie up in a line, it
was that one to me. Because then doing that kind
of paints it's James Gunn kind of painting this character
in a different light than we're used to seeing and

(52:33):
because it is quite contrarian in this day and age,
and there is part of that holding up the mirror
to the audience, like it is quite contrarian in this
day and age to be someone that truly and holy
looks out for not just other people, but the squirrel
on the road that's about to get stepped on. Like

(52:55):
some of that's over the top and selling that about Superman.
I think part of it is kind of tongue in
we're making fun of how good and good, but the
ultimate message of I think it actually is a little
more counterculture to be the guy that always wants to
do what's right, then the guy that looks out for
his own self interest at times. And I thought, to

(53:16):
me that was the most powerful thing that James Gunn did.
And then that protection of life that Superman represents and
how life is something precious in contention with Lex Luther's
reckless pursuit of profit, I think is where we start
to get into the real life kind of stuff. And

(53:37):
I thought that Gun portrayed that in a way where like,
here's this rich guy that can do whatever he wants,
and he's just hell bent on his own pockets and
just hell bent on revenge and killing, and it doesn't
matter if he opens a rift in space time and
swallows the entire planet. He is consumed by his pursuits.

(53:57):
But then next to that, or I should say opposite that,
you have Superman who is literally flying to save squirrels
out of the street. And I thought that was something
that was one of the more one of the more
profound thoughts I had coming after after this was just
like that that spectrum, and it kind of made me

(54:19):
think of, like, where do you fit in between it?

Speaker 2 (54:23):
Yeah, and I when I have marked down is something
that which I do think is something that everyone probably needs.
But it there is quite a bit that is hopeful, Yeah,
And it's and it's in the way that the story's told,
especially what kind of all transpires. And I mean, obviously

(54:45):
Superman represents hope anyway, but then there's also just I
think just the simple, like just simple, the simplicity of kindness. Yeah,
that I think has either gotten away or it never
feels genuine. Is there's always they got to be up
to something, and there's actual people and especially Superman where

(55:07):
he really is doing good because that's what's that's what is,
that's what's right. And and I mean I just feel
like in this in this world, I could see us
like we wouldn't believe it. We don't think he's doing
it for some other reason, like that's just how it is.
And so I really I do what I probably admire

(55:32):
the most is blurring that line of things where like
you said, you hold a mirror up and think, oh, yeah,
you know what this, uh this does remind me of this,
and you know what this does. So and that's what
I feel like is what it's supposed to do because
again to what I said before, is it keeps this

(55:53):
whole thing grounded where it's not it's not so out
of reach that you can't believe something like this is happening.
Just just change these two characters or change that setting,
and you got something that might be you might it

(56:13):
might look very familiar.

Speaker 5 (56:14):
Yeah, I agree, that's the piece that worked the best
for me in the movie as well, and even in
the realm of comic book movies. As much as we
all love The Dark Knight and we do, that trilogy
kind of sent comic book movies down this pathway of
like we're going to be dark and cynical and very

(56:36):
real life, which work. I mean, like in The Batman
works so well, but it is kelener cultural to have
something that is just optimistic and kind of goofy in
ways like yes, s Corny's like to in a in
a good way.

Speaker 2 (56:54):
I was going to say there were some hokey parts
in it too, but I also feel like it's trying
to it's trying to capture that spirit of when there
was almost like I don't want to say this kind
of squeaky clean, but it's like a like a Sam
Bramy Spider Man, like it wants to capture this part

(57:16):
where it definitely has it definitely has, it has stuff
on its mind. But the way it's presented even like
that glossy clean look while Stony doesn't know that this
is but like it does it, it does.

Speaker 4 (57:34):
It.

Speaker 2 (57:34):
It does reveal this sort of idea of like, well,
look at this world, and you know, it's almost like,
if you look through it through these goggles, look what
it Look what it is, and it's still nice to
kind of have it where, Yes, it a lot of
it might be unfamiliar, but then there is also underneath

(57:57):
that a lot that is is stems that does stem
from the world we live in and the lessons we've
learned and the lessons we haven't learned.

Speaker 1 (58:07):
Ye.

Speaker 3 (58:08):
I teared up three times during this movie.

Speaker 2 (58:10):
Oh damn, are you going to rank them though? Oh? Yeah,
you have your handout.

Speaker 3 (58:13):
The bench scene with Pauw in Kansas, Yeah, when he
tells Lois he's not even a good one and but
he's alone and he's probably scared.

Speaker 2 (58:25):
Yes, yes, I get it.

Speaker 3 (58:26):
And then at the end when he says, do you
want to see the message from your parents again? And
I'm thinking like, oh, how are they going to go?
But then it's footage of man paw.

Speaker 2 (58:36):
Yeah, I like, I love I love that last scene
where and that's James Gunn and they said it and
he said and he was like, oh, he really likes this,
and then it just shows all the canon and I'm
just like, that was really well done.

Speaker 5 (58:48):
Yeah, we haven't even talked about Crypto. I'm I'm not
the kind of person that says this. I don't even
know that I've ever said this phrase in my life.

Speaker 4 (58:57):
But he really was the goodest.

Speaker 2 (59:00):
I have him. That he was a really good boy,
because as much as they act like he's not even
a good one, he really he really was.

Speaker 4 (59:07):
I really liked that aspect. Well.

Speaker 3 (59:12):
The payoff to seeing like why he might be so
unruly because his owner is a hot mess was kind.

Speaker 2 (59:19):
Of like yeah, and they kind of do the whole like, well,
you know, she's that. Yeah, that that was good. James
Gonna said that that uh, they that's basically his dog
and white, like they actually like took a picture of
his dog formulated and turned it white. And I'm just like,
because apparently he's a big animal lover. Anyway, but I

(59:43):
love Crypto. I wasn't too sure about any of that
where he comes in, which by the way, that that
that you know though, that's what's basically how they showed
the trailer. But I love the way it picked up
where he's the first time he's lost a fight and
stuff like that, you know. But anyway, Crypto, Crypto was,
he was he was a good highlight, and you felt

(01:00:05):
bad where they were like where he's like chasing those
squirrels and stuff.

Speaker 5 (01:00:07):
But and it was it was unexpected that opening scene.

Speaker 4 (01:00:12):
I agree.

Speaker 5 (01:00:12):
When I saw the trailer, I was like, really, the
dog is dragging him back to like the dog, I
guess the thing Superman back to the Fortress of But
they even surprised you in the movie because Crypto comes
and like jumps on him like.

Speaker 2 (01:00:27):
Try plane play.

Speaker 4 (01:00:29):
Yeah, like when he's on death.

Speaker 2 (01:00:31):
Like stepping on his ribs and stuff. Yea.

Speaker 3 (01:00:34):
So did you did you guys know that Ultra Man
was a clone of Superman or was that like a sad.

Speaker 4 (01:00:39):
Until it was revealed? No?

Speaker 3 (01:00:41):
No, no, So how did you guys think they got
into the Fortress of Solitude?

Speaker 2 (01:00:46):
Yeah? I didn't.

Speaker 3 (01:00:47):
I nobody caught that. I didn't even know they walked.

Speaker 2 (01:00:52):
I didn't even know. Well, I didn't know how Superman
got in. So when he did it? So when they
did it, and he.

Speaker 5 (01:01:00):
Says it at one point something about DNA.

Speaker 4 (01:01:02):
Oh does it?

Speaker 2 (01:01:02):
Well, I was just I'll be honest, I just assumed
like Lex Luthor like had something, just.

Speaker 3 (01:01:07):
Like he had just curious how non comic book fans.

Speaker 2 (01:01:11):
Picked up on when he said it, I'm like, oh, okay,
Well I did wonder how they got in, but Lex
Luthor has all these workarounds that I just assumed like
once they found it, he was able to get in.
It was finding it that was the problem.

Speaker 5 (01:01:25):
It didn't strike me as odd in the moment either,
but I did appreciate the tie back to recognize.

Speaker 2 (01:01:30):
Yeah, for supposed to I th I was Winter Soldier,
so I got nervous.

Speaker 4 (01:01:34):
That would have.

Speaker 2 (01:01:36):
Bashom stand barn. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:01:39):
All right, well that's listen. That's all I got.

Speaker 4 (01:01:41):
Boys.

Speaker 3 (01:01:42):
Any final thoughts before we get on out of here?

Speaker 2 (01:01:44):
Do we want to do ratings? Does it matter?

Speaker 3 (01:01:46):
I gave it a four out of five. I think
it is on the better end of comic book movies
in the last ten years. I think it's listen. I
was a big Thunderbolts fan.

Speaker 2 (01:01:56):
I like Thunderbolt Show.

Speaker 3 (01:01:58):
But to me, this felt like I came out of
this like, Okay, I'm stoked to see what DC and
James Gunn do from here, and Thunderbolts was more of
a that was a good movie.

Speaker 2 (01:02:12):
Yeah, But then I and again and I hate but
I just wonder if part of it is is because
this is kind of a reset for DC. Yeah, Marvel's trying,
and they're trying, you know. Now Fantastic four will start
the new phase and whatever else they have going on,
which Fantastic four does look good, But I.

Speaker 3 (01:02:30):
Don't even know. I think I would go back to
like Shaun Chi Shawn, She's one of the last that
was twenty one.

Speaker 2 (01:02:39):
Yeah, twenty twenty one.

Speaker 5 (01:02:41):
That was a movie that really surprised me that I
really wanted me to.

Speaker 2 (01:02:45):
Shawn che is the last Marvel movie. I think I
bought Batman or The Batman. Excuse Batman.

Speaker 3 (01:02:51):
Yeah, the Batman is probably the gold standard recent years,
but I think I would put Superman in that tier
just below.

Speaker 2 (01:03:01):
Yeah, I think I think it would be a couple
of tears below that one. But I like where this
is going. I wish I wasn't overly impressed, but I
am still intrigued and interested. I don't think I mean,
I don't think it was a mistake hiring James Gunn
to do it. I'm not anywhere near there. I gave

(01:03:23):
it three. I kind of battle between three and three
and a half. But I feel like after talking about
it and everything, I'm staying with three out of five,
which is still a good rating. Just some stuff work,
some stuff didn't. Some stuff I wish I had more of,
some wish had less. But but I tell you what,
James Gunn stay true to who he was. I think

(01:03:44):
his passion for comic books is there. I think his
love for Superman is obvious. And like I said, David
Hornswaggle and Nicholas Holt are sensational, and that casting all
across the board is it's perfect.

Speaker 5 (01:04:07):
So I gave it a three out of three and
a half out of five, which is the same rating
that I gave Thunderbolts.

Speaker 4 (01:04:15):
But I would say I like this more than Thunderbolts.

Speaker 5 (01:04:18):
I really did like it the last I had a
very weight and see approach about this movie too, and
I think a lot of us did. The last week
or so when early reviews started coming in, I kind
of let myself get pulled into the this really might
be like something we'd never seen. And it didn't quite

(01:04:38):
reach that for me. But I did like it a lot.

Speaker 3 (01:04:41):
I actually got nervous because the critics scores came out
and it started declining. Like the more reviews came in
that run, the tomato score went down, and I was
kind of like, oh no, maybe this is pretty worst
case scenario. But the tomato meter, like the or no
not that. The popcorn meter, oh yeah, was pretty high,

(01:05:04):
so it kind of made me. That's when I started
to think, I wonder if this is just one of
those films where the comic book crowd is gonna love
it and nobody else is gonna.

Speaker 2 (01:05:12):
Get it, which is which I think last I think
it is still in the eighties, is it? Yeah? I
mean the critics one, I think the other ones is higher,
but it.

Speaker 3 (01:05:20):
Got down to eighty two okay at one point, but
I don't know what it's at now. So well that's
gonna do it.

Speaker 1 (01:05:28):
Then.

Speaker 2 (01:05:29):
Yeah, Well I'm glad we all listen, we all liked it,
just a different degrees, nothing wrong with that. We'd all
go and see the next one. Yeah right, sure, Yeah,
so that's fine.

Speaker 3 (01:05:38):
So that's going to do it for us. Here on
another episode of the vick Flex podcast. For Brandon, for Brett,
I am stony and until next time, you stay classy moviegoers,