November 16, 2024 • 44 mins
He lives in you, listener, and by “He,” we mean this podcast! Don’t think about it too hard. This week we talk about a beloved Disney classic…’s sequel: The Lion King II: Simba’s Pride! What is Romeo & Juliet like with lions? How does the music match up to the original? Why is the bad boy lion so hot?
PLUS! We check in on the Over The Garden Wall 10th anniversary stop-motion special, and old friend Freddie Powers drops in to share his thoughts!
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BIG THANKS TO:
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Urvashi Lele for our art
Learn more about Urvashi Lele's animations by visiting http://www.sirpeagreenstudios.com and follow their endeavors on instagram at @sirpeagreen and @maisonaudmi
The State of Animation is [ROAR]!
Films we talked about:
The Lion King II: Simba’s Pride
Over the Garden Wall 10th Anniversary Stop Motion Short
Real World Recs:
Brooke: The Bright Sword, by Lev Grossman
Ryan: ‘Original Cast Album: Company’ on Criterion Channel and YouTube
This podcast is a part of Audio Mint. If you want to follow us, check us out on Instagram(@audiomintchi) or on Facebook, at Audio Mint. If you wanna support us even more, check out our Patreon by searching Audio Mint on the app or the website!
Follow our bluesky @nationofanimation, our Letterboxd @NationAnimation, and our Instagram and @cartoonbookclub, and follow our hosts
@thebrookesmith
and
@ryanwithcheese on Twitter
http://brookeerinsmith.com http://ryangstevens.com
&
Support secret projects on Venmo @nationofanimation
BIG THANKS TO: Jacob Menke for our theme
Follow them @menkemaster
&
Urvashi Lele for our art
Learn more about Urvashi Lele's animations by visiting http://www.sirpeagreenstudios.com and follow their endeavors on instagram at @sirpeagreen and @maisonaudmi
PLUS! We check in on the Over The Garden Wall 10th anniversary stop-motion special, and old friend Freddie Powers drops in to share his thoughts!
Follow our bluesky @nationofanimation and our Instagram and Twitter @cartoonbookclub, and follow our hosts @thebrookesmith and @ryanwithcheese on Twitter
&
http://brookeerinsmith.com
http://ryangstevens.com
&
Support secret projects on Venmo @nationofanimation
BIG THANKS TO:
Jacob Menke for our theme
Follow them @menkemaster
&
Urvashi Lele for our art
Learn more about Urvashi Lele's animations by visiting http://www.sirpeagreenstudios.com and follow their endeavors on instagram at @sirpeagreen and @maisonaudmi
The State of Animation is [ROAR]!
Films we talked about:
The Lion King II: Simba’s Pride
Over the Garden Wall 10th Anniversary Stop Motion Short
Real World Recs:
Brooke: The Bright Sword, by Lev Grossman
Ryan: ‘Original Cast Album: Company’ on Criterion Channel and YouTube
This podcast is a part of Audio Mint. If you want to follow us, check us out on Instagram(@audiomintchi) or on Facebook, at Audio Mint. If you wanna support us even more, check out our Patreon by searching Audio Mint on the app or the website!
Follow our bluesky @nationofanimation, our Letterboxd @NationAnimation, and our Instagram and @cartoonbookclub, and follow our hosts
@thebrookesmith
and
@ryanwithcheese on Twitter
http://brookeerinsmith.com http://ryangstevens.com
&
Support secret projects on Venmo @nationofanimation
BIG THANKS TO: Jacob Menke for our theme
Follow them @menkemaster
&
Urvashi Lele for our art
Learn more about Urvashi Lele's animations by visiting http://www.sirpeagreenstudios.com and follow their endeavors on instagram at @sirpeagreen and @maisonaudmi
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Adam.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
I'm ready when you are. I thought you're ready to
start it.
Speaker 1 (00:10):
Welcome is Welcome to Nation of Animation, the Cartoon book
(00:50):
Club Podcast for All Ages.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
You are Ryan Stevens and you are Brooke Aaron Smith.
You are one of us that's going to come back later.
This is sort of a brick joke. You'll see when
we get there.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
Okay, sure, so Brooke.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
Finally after long last you know, I hear the comments.
I'm in the subreddits that we definitely have. People are
always like, when are we going to talk about the classics.
We're gonna talk about the classics stuff. We're gonna talk
about the old stuff, the gold standard, and we're finally
here to talk about one of those fixtures on Animations
Mount Rushmore.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
I'm talking, of course, about the sequel The Lion King
two Simbus Prime.
Speaker 3 (01:26):
Yes, one of our first major Disney releases we've ever
talked about on the podcast outside of Disney Dismay.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
I love this one.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
We've been taking our time. Yeah, yeah, this is a
good one. Is the thing. You know.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
It's one of those directed VHS sequels that Disney was
loving to do back in the day, and this.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
One is good and was a whim for Disney. We
have talked Disney flops before, as people will know, but
despite being a VHS release, this was not a flop.
It was not a VHS release because it wasn't expected
to do good.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
In fact, it's not only not a flop, it is
the most successful straight to VHS film ever, selling fifteen
million copies.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
There you Go, pretty good.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
So this film was released in nineteen ninety eight. It
was the directive video sequel to The Lion King, directed
by Darryl Rooney, written by Philip Koegler and Cindy Marcus.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
Now, Darryl Rooney is kind of like a Disney sequels guy.
He also directed moulan To, and he worked on a
lot of animation stuff in Tron. He was also did
animated feature directing. He got an Ani Award for a
Lady in the Tramp to Scamp's Adventure, so which I'd
vaguely remember whenever you need someone to pick up the baton,
Daryl's your guy. There you go.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
Mulon To not as good as Lion King too. I'm
so sorry they leaned into the romance too much and
that you know, I want.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
To give like the concept of the straight of VHS
sequel some time later on, but for now let's focus
on the reason for the season Lion King two.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
Sure, so almost the entire voice cast returned for this film,
with the exceptions of Jeremy Irons who voiced Scar, and
Rowan Atkinson who originally voiced Zazu the Bird.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
Now there would have only been like one line for
Jeremy Irons to.
Speaker 1 (02:59):
Say so, and he was replaced by Jim Cummings, who
is best known as the voice of Winnie the Pooh
slash Pete slash lots of.
Speaker 3 (03:06):
Other thousands of people. He was Scar singing voice in
the original, so there is colledge.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
Yeah, he was the one telling Car had like a
beautiful singing voice in the original. I thought it was
Jeremy Irons. Oh. The cast also picked up a couple
of new editions and main cast members. This includes Neid
Campbell of the Scream franchise also the Craft. Yeah, Jason Marsden,
who voices several like anthropomorphic hot teen boy animals, Amazon
(03:32):
full House, a.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
Real Disney heart throb of his era, and.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
Is a voice in Skyrim. We've mentioned that before because
he was Max in a Goofy movie, but just know.
Speaker 3 (03:41):
When Brooks Dragon Boorne was trundling around and suddenly heard
the clarion voice of Max Goof, and I knew.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
Who it was too. I know we've talked about this whatever. Anyway,
Andy Dick is in this in his Hayday. Really, I
mean it's the nineties.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
Dick is not like disguising his voice, but he's also
not phoning it in. He's like giving a real good
performance and.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
Then Susan plash it so as most people know. If
you don't, I'm thrilled to break it to you. The
original Lion King is a riff on Shakespeare's Hamlet. This
one is a riff on Shakespeare's Romeo and Juliet.
Speaker 3 (04:17):
And that's just like, that's a great idea to come
back to the Lion King and be like, Okay, we're
doing another Lion Shakespeare. Because a lot of the Disney
sequels are like, let's just do it again. Let's do
another run at Cinderella, same basic premise, let's do more
of the same. And they really shook up the ant
farm here in a way that I think is cool.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
Yeah, So this one is about Simba's daughter Kiara, and
then Scar's like adopted son Kobu, and the boundaries there
are murky. We'll go into that in a little while.
Speaker 3 (04:47):
He is he was raised by the outcast Pride of
Lions that Scar had apparently in secret off camera during
the first Lion King.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
No. I think that they were just part of the
the actual Pride Rock and then they off into a
faction after Scar's death. I have like thought process now
for like what happened while Cymba was gone within Prime Rock. Yeah,
and then originally Kovu was supposed to be Scar's son,
(05:15):
Ryan's frenemy in this case.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
I hate to give it to.
Speaker 3 (05:20):
Him, but Michael Eisenery did notice that this would be
an issue and urged for Kovu to not be the
son of Scar because then Kovu and Kiara would be
first cousins.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
But as a kid, I will say I still thought
that he was Scar's son, because the way they reveal
he's not is just a little like one offline from
Andy Dick where he's like, wow, not even Scar's real son.
Speaker 3 (05:41):
I mentioned it twice an hour apart, and that's it.
He also has a Scar, so you're meant to make
that connection.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
So I feel like the team was like, yeah, we'll
take the note, and they were like, no, this is
our vision. Also, it didn't bother me because they were lions, right.
Speaker 3 (05:57):
Speaking of them lions and speaking of Covu Scar, can
we talk about how he is like designed to be
a little hotboy.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
Yeah, we'll get into it. We haven't even talked plot yet.
About the plot here, I do want to say, starting
with the title, I do love the little like play
on words of the lion king to Simba's pride pride
because it's his pride of lions, but it's also like
his pride and joy his daughter, and it's also.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
His the sin. Yeah makes you think.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
So, I thought that was so interesting. Here's a little
tidbit for my life. I remember that I was at
Disney World. I was probably five, and it was like
family vacation and they have all the shops, you know. So,
and I had obviously just seen this film because I
went right up to a stuffed animal and no one
else was around. I just said to myself, I said Kiara,
And then a little boy came out behind me. He said,
(06:45):
that's Simba. Fake it was Simba. I'm sure. I think
I just wanted it to be Kiara.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
I want to choose to believe it was Kiara and
he was just being a jerk. I think it was
you're out there, kid, watch out.
Speaker 1 (06:59):
Oh goodness. So with this one, none of the original
animators were involved in the production. This happens a lot
with direct to video sequels. A big reason is costs.
Speaker 3 (07:09):
Yeah, the people who animated The Lion King were busy
animating another feature film.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
I'm sure most of the animation was done by Walt
Disney Animation Australia in Sydney, Australia, but all the storyboarding
and pre production work was done at Disney Television Animation
Slash Disney Tune Studios, which is in Glendale, California. They
had additional animation done by Walt Disney Animation Canada and
Tune City Animation in the Philippines.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
It's cool they were shipping these lines all over the place.
There you go.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
It was a international sort of project. Ryan, why don't
you tell us about Kovu's adopted sister, whatever her name,
because I thought this was an interesting fact that you.
Speaker 3 (07:46):
Us had a lot of like significance to the names
of the new characters here. So for one, Zira, who's
the Kovu's adopted mother. Her name means hate in Swahili.
Kovu as Swahili for scar, do you get it like
a scar? Nuka, who is Andy Dick's character, is Swahi
for bad smell, which is funny, hate scar vilainy and
then Stinko over here in the corner. Anyway, Kolu and
(08:08):
Nuka have a sister named Vitani, and that character's name
was originally Shatani. In Kiswahili, it means devil, which Disney
thought was a little too far, so they have to
change her name to Vitani, which means in battle in Keswahili.
And apparently, if you look at some of the mouth
flaps the characters are saying, they are still mouthing the
words shatani, but they just changed it in the dub
(08:28):
and didn't have time to fix it in the animation,
which is funny to me.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
The devil was here all right.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
Next up, we've got some music talk all that jazz.
But we do know the characters. Now we'll go into
the plot a little. If you haven't seen it, it's
pretty simple actually, So you.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
Know, so two lion households, both alike.
Speaker 1 (08:44):
In Dignity, where we lay our scene.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
I used to know the whole thing, but it's gone now.
Speaker 1 (08:54):
So you have. Simba has had a daughter named Kiara.
She is becoming older wants to explore, and Simba, in
a very moufoss away, is like, don't go out of
the Pride Lands, which is their lands.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
You know you've seen the like everything the light touches go.
Speaker 1 (09:12):
But she ventures out to like the outside lands or
whatever they call it, and she meets Kovu, a little
Lion cup like herself, who.
Speaker 3 (09:22):
Was a member of the Lion untouchables, like the outside class. Yeah,
I think it is outside because they're outside of the
big Rock.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
But yeah, So they play around, they get into some
hyjiinks al Simba and Nala in the first film, they
almost die and then their families come together and they're like,
what you know each other and Simba's like, we banished
you guys. And then Zira, who is Kov's mom, is
like the boy didn't know and Simba's like, I want
to I'll let you guys go this time. So then
(09:54):
Zera comes up with a plan. Since Kov's already saw
her friends with Key, She's gonna raise Kovu up and
train him as a warrior to like get close to
Kyr and then by doing that, kill Simba.
Speaker 3 (10:05):
This is the plan is basically, We're going to raise
you to fall in love with the president's daughter and
then one day kill the president. Yes, and you are
eight years old and we're telling you this is your
life's plan.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
Correct.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
She has her other son, Andy Dick Akako, Yeah, who's
like jealous of Kovu. That's his big arc. He's like,
my mom doesn't even want me to lead. How I'm fair.
And then his sister, who doesn't do too much except
for being a sister.
Speaker 3 (10:32):
She is fitting for a character who initially was called
the devil. She's depicted as like the evil seed, like
she's more vicious. She's already down with the mission to
kill Simba's family. She is like completely bought in at
the beginning, more so than either of her siblings, and
really kind of more than her mom. She is just
like pure malice in a little lion kitten body.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
But lines can change foreshadowing anyway. Kiara and Kovu grow up.
They meet again and Kovu's like, I have left my family.
I want to join the Pride Lands at Pride Rock,
and Simba's like, I.
Speaker 3 (11:04):
Don't know about this, Yeah, Darkford Lion, we'll try it out.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
As they're trying it out, Kovu like starts to lose
track of his plan because he's falling in love with Kiara.
His plan is revealed when his mean ass family members will.
Speaker 3 (11:18):
Jump him and Simba in the middle of a father
boyfriend talk.
Speaker 1 (11:23):
Yeah, and then in the conflict with Simba there Andy Dick,
Nuka Stinko dies in like a very sad.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
Like in a way.
Speaker 3 (11:31):
There are two times that the movie like echoes Mufasa's
death in the first film, because Mufasa, you know, falls
off a cliff and gets trampled by wildebees. Nuka gets
like run over by falling logs in a very Wildebeest
esque fashion.
Speaker 1 (11:43):
And as he's like doing it like trying to succeed,
he's specifically saying, like for you mother, I'm doing it
for you mother.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
Which is very He's just not that guy.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
Oh and like I said, I think Andy Dick actually
gives a really good voice acting performance. It's very like
dirtbag older brother. Like, I think it's really good.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
It is like burnout was never gonna be was never
gonna amount to much.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
Yeah, and death is very sad really when it happens anyway,
then Kobu is rejected from both prides. He can't go
back with his family because he wouldn't turn on Simba.
He can't go back with Simba's group because Simba blames
him for what happened, and Kyar is like, no, you
don't know who he really is, So she sneaks away,
meets up with him there together again, they come back
(12:27):
and then both prides fight. In the end, all of
Zira's lioness gals defect go to Simba's side because they
don't want to fight anymore. And to his credit, it
did seem like Simba was gonna let Zerra do it too.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
Yeah, he gives her a chance and she rejects it.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
They were all gonna be one big family and she
said no, and she falls off a cliff and Kiara
tries to savor Ryan tell us what you found out
about this though?
Speaker 2 (12:54):
This was interesting.
Speaker 3 (12:54):
So at the very end, you know, Zerra is dangling
from a cliff and Yara extends upon a reacher and
you know, in the original film, Scar almost saves Mufasa
thence as long as the king and drops into his death.
And in this version, Kiara not Kira. Zero just appears
to slip before Kiera can save her. But apparently originally
(13:15):
they meant for Zero to fully reject it and say
no never and let go and intentionally drown herself rather
than accept redemption, which is pretty metal, and they should
have left it in because it is a nice like
inversion again of the Mufasa death, which is the inciting
incident for both of these movies.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
Yeah, and like you know, the notion that she could
never you know, give up on her dream, stands on
business for the betterment of her people.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
These movies are about love and Haytn Sire's the biggest hater.
Speaker 1 (13:41):
And what we failed to mention that I think is
very important is that Zerra's pride of lions are living
in terrible conditions. They're living in like termite hills. They
very obviously have no consistent food source. They're all a
little like emaciated, looking quite rough, which is how like
Kobu is raised and then all the rest of them.
(14:02):
So their hatred has not gotten them very much. But
I will say this, I think that a lot of
their like concerns or whatever, I can see that being justified.
Like they were Scars followers. Obviously, after his death they
decided they didn't want to recognize Simba as their leader
because he killed the person they thought of as their leader.
(14:23):
That's where the faction comes in.
Speaker 3 (14:25):
Well, they are living in an open air prison. They
do not have like places to hunt or eat properly.
They're all malnourished. Nuka is riddled with fleas, like they're
not in a good place. And the way that the
movie really lets Simba be wrong, it really lets you
see how Simba has messed up in a pretty clear
manner of governance here, I think is really impressive.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
Yeah, because I think that you know, even at the beginning,
he obviously is set up as it. Simba is not
the good guy in this film. Especially as an adult
just watching it, you're like, Okay, this was wrong, and.
Speaker 3 (14:56):
It is cool to see how this is very reasonable
for Simba because Timba, you know, as a child, was
in Timona Pumba's care.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
He was not there and around Mufasa for most of
his life. So now that he's the king and a dad,
he has no real roadmap for how to do this.
The lesson he got from Mufasa was don't go to
the shadow Lands, and he's extrapolated that into an entire
parenting philosophy.
Speaker 1 (15:17):
That's all he does with Kyr. He's sort of repeating
like Mufasa's wisdoms to him, and it's like that doesn't work.
Speaker 3 (15:26):
Yeah, that's cool. That's very sophisticated for a Disney direct
to VHS sequel.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
And even Naala at one point is like you're trying
to like live up to something that you know you
don't have to. And then Kiara mentions that too, like
throwing it in Simba's space. So it's very interesting.
Speaker 4 (15:43):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (15:44):
As far as like critical reception went, this movie was
actually pretty well received. A Ciskel and Eberg gave it
two thumbs up, though they did acknowledge it's not as
good as The Lion King. That was what most people said.
They were like, pretty good, not as good as.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
The Lion and fair enough.
Speaker 3 (15:57):
I think that this one has more like to say,
like I love the Line King, but it is a
very standard you know, hero's journey, go beat the bad guy.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
There's no nuance about disenfranchisement in there.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
Yeah, but we are an animation podcast, and in talking
about the animation specifically, it is a pretty sharp drop off.
There are still very beautiful sequences, but you can tell that,
like the same amount of money was not put into this. Yeah,
there are several there are several completely still shots. There's
nothing moving at all. It's just like they put a picture.
Speaker 3 (16:30):
There's one image of Pride Rock that they just completely reuse.
It's the exact same static image of Pride Rock, and
they'll have other people like in front of it to
varying sizes and distances away. You know, there's a little
bit of seams showing and not in the way that
ruins it.
Speaker 1 (16:42):
But I will say, as a child, though, I did
not notice at all. So there you go.
Speaker 2 (16:46):
Though, that's the market we were.
Speaker 1 (16:48):
This came out when I was three, and I probably
saw it when I was like five, you know, so
I was a quite young child watching it. I wouldn't
have seen these sort of intricacies. Another criticism, though, that
they give about the film is that the music is
not as good as the first film, And in some
ways I can agree, and in some ways I can't.
And I would love to talk about the music because
two of these songs are like some of Disney's best
(17:10):
songs they've ever done.
Speaker 3 (17:12):
It is not evenly distributed, but there is definitely still
some of the Lion King spark in the soundtrack.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
So the film opens with He Lives in You, which
is like a very sort of epic like opener, similar
to Circle of Life.
Speaker 3 (17:25):
Well, it is a lot more downbeat and the beginning
bits are very minor key and like melancholing. I think
that sets the stage for the movie really well. It
builds to, you know, the rousing he Lives in You
chorus bit, but the start is much less.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
But Circle of Life is like that too though. Remember
it's like from the day we.
Speaker 3 (17:40):
Step I don't know man, that chorus is swelling from
the start. They're letting you know you're in the presence
of something great there.
Speaker 1 (17:48):
So He Lives and You actually has an interesting history.
It was originally included on the album Rhythm of the
Pride Lands, which was inspired by the original films. It's
the people who did the original music, a lot of
the original music. So that's Libo m He like put
together this album. To me, it seems like it's like
songs that could have been in the first one. They
(18:09):
were like, let's keep going. It was an album, yeah,
that was produced by Disney and distributed by Disney, so
they were fully behind it. It wasn't like this was
a fringe project, and He Lives in You was included
on that. I mean it's very much like referencing Mufasa
and his relationship with Simba. The song was then added
to the Broadway musical, even though it does not appear
(18:29):
in the first film, and it's in there two times actually,
first as They Live in You, which is Mufasa talking
to Simba in Act one, sort of like a circle
of life kind of moment. Then it comes back as
He Lives in You, which is Raffiki talking to adult
Simba in Act two and builds up to Simba challenging Scar.
And then they just liked it so much they added
to Lion King two.
Speaker 2 (18:49):
I mean Leebeliam also worked on La and as the
Lost Empire.
Speaker 3 (18:52):
Now there's another film of discussion that.
Speaker 1 (18:55):
One is a good one. Then you get a couple
of mid songs they're like whatever, and then you get
to I would say, a life.
Speaker 3 (19:03):
Changing, uh theus for why we're talking about it today,
for why Brook has memories about let me.
Speaker 1 (19:10):
Mention another song first, the Big Villain Song, similar to
Scars from the first one is called My Lullaby, which
Zira sings. It's her be Prepared. It was done by
Joss Whedon that Joss Whedon unfortunately and Scott Warrender it was.
It's also, like, I think for a Disney villain song,
it really does sort of stand out. I think it's
forgotten about kind of now, but I think it's a
(19:31):
quite good Disney villain song.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
What makes it different from Me Prepared is that it's
not just her singing about her evil plan and like
what her fascist lion goose stepping hyena takeover is going
to look like she's talking about getting like reparations for
her people and like what they're bred for and how
they've suffered in a much more direct way. Now she
does then go like, and we love to be bad
and evil, which is sort.
Speaker 1 (19:52):
Of that was blind. That throws it right, because people
who are like quote unquote bad don't know that they're bad,
Like they think they're doing the right thing. And I
think that's really actually true for Zira and her lions
throughout most of them.
Speaker 3 (20:05):
It's much more interesting if she is just like, we
gotta get our lick back, like we gotta get our revenge.
Speaker 1 (20:13):
But then they like grown a little with the like
and we're gonna raise Koviu up.
Speaker 3 (20:17):
To be bad, the classic you know popular media thing. Well,
the villain can't make too much sense. We gotta have
these eco activists blowup a orphanage or something so you
can know not to like them.
Speaker 1 (20:28):
There you go, and then they're, like I said, some
mid songs, more mid songs, the.
Speaker 2 (20:35):
The what's the loved one? Yeah? You PENDI, which is good.
Speaker 3 (20:39):
They're runn at Kenny for the love tonight does not
have the jew So I'm very sorry.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
To tell you.
Speaker 1 (20:44):
Yeah, it's and it's like very upbeat. Ryan said it right.
I think he said it was like a sort of
like kiss the Girl.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (20:50):
It takes our young love lions through like a jungle
tunnel of love, and it just feels very tact on
and artificial, and we were already seeing them grow together.
I don't know what this, like putting out fast forward
does for the narrative, Brook, what does this remind you of?
Speaker 1 (21:04):
This reminds me? I hope it does of a very
old animated short from like the nineteen forties. This was included.
Speaker 2 (21:13):
I believe.
Speaker 1 (21:13):
I'm sure I've talked about this before, not necessarily this
one specifically, but I had a VHS of Fun and
Fancy Free, which is a Disney film that includes Mickey
in a Beanstalk, which most people know is like Mickey's
take on Jack and the bean Stalk, but it starts
out like live action people at a party. Jimny Cricket's
there though he's a narrator, and then they show us
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a short called Bongo narrated by Dinah Shore, and I
can hear it in my mind. It's like Dinah Shore
and Jimmy Cricket's like Dinah.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
Shore, who knows there?
Speaker 1 (21:47):
Yeah, yeah, But Bongo the bear also falls in love
with another bear, and some of the sequences were it
felt like copied, like the hearts, the heart motif and
a lot of it. It was very interesting. I was like,
oh my god, this is Bongo and Dinah Shor says
it like Bongo.
Speaker 2 (22:09):
Anyway, look forward to that in a future episode.
Speaker 1 (22:12):
Now onto the big event though, which is the song
one of Us.
Speaker 3 (22:16):
So after Kovu accidentally leads Simba into ambush and then
they escape and Kobu is now on the outs of
his own family and Simba's not happy with him.
Speaker 2 (22:25):
And he casts him out of prior rock style. Yea.
Speaker 1 (22:28):
They sing the song one of Us, which starts you'll
know it disception, disgrace, Oh my god.
Speaker 2 (22:37):
It's all the animals who have not said a word
up until the film. The giraffes are.
Speaker 3 (22:40):
Singing, shes are singing, a hippo is giving him the
side eye. Every animal comes out of the woodwork to
read this guy.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
Yes, and it's I don't know, just the musicality of it,
the drama. It is life changing. This one was done
by Jack Feldman and Tom Snow and Jack Feldman did
a lot of the music for Oliver her Income, which
also has amazing music. Why should I worry, Sir William Joel, Yes,
in a great role.
Speaker 2 (23:07):
Yeah, he's great. He should have done more.
Speaker 1 (23:09):
Dodger, Oh my gosh. So even as a child, like
I really loved the song, and as an adult I
also really love this song. So there you go. That's
that's the highlight of the film. The rest of it's great.
Speaker 3 (23:22):
I feel like usually when in conversation the lan King
two comes up, the thing that is mentioned is this particular.
Speaker 2 (23:29):
Song, and why would it not be?
Speaker 3 (23:31):
Yeah, it is just two minutes of them kicking him
while he's down.
Speaker 2 (23:36):
All right, Yeah, there you go.
Speaker 1 (23:37):
It was great and then almost immediately it's sort of
undone right like in the movie. Yeah, but it was
still super cool. Uh. Final thoughts on this one A
couple more like trivia points. A lot of big names
were actually considered for Kiara, including Jennifer Aniston, Alicia Silverstone,
Julia Roberts, Jennifer Love, Hewitt, Reese Witherspoon, Clair Danes, and
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Sarah Jessica Parker. Notably, Sarah Jessica Parker is married to
Matthew Broderick, who voices som Bay himself.
Speaker 3 (24:07):
I mean, I guess, of course it is because casting
is always a process and there's always like options and opportunities.
But it is very odd to me to think of
people like being in the running and in contention and
pushing their agents to get them into a straight to
VHS Disney sequel.
Speaker 2 (24:21):
It just seems like the kind of thing that like.
Speaker 3 (24:22):
Rolled off the lot already completed and there was no
like process too, which is wrong of me, of course,
but it's just something I hadn't thought about.
Speaker 1 (24:28):
Yeah, it's interesting to think, like, especially now any movie,
it feels like that they can release and make money
in the theater they'll put in there, And this one
obviously like would have made theatrical money in some way, right,
Like it sold fifteen million copies as a VHS.
Speaker 3 (24:44):
I mean imagine the Horrible War where they shelved this
for a tax ride off, like they did the Wiley
Coyote movie.
Speaker 2 (24:50):
Terrible.
Speaker 1 (24:51):
But I think we have seen similar things to this
that were motivated by COVID. You know, Turning Red was
supposed to have a theatrical release, it ended up just
on Disney.
Speaker 3 (24:59):
Plus Mawana Too that's coming out in like a few weeks,
was gonna be a series and then was going to
be a different movie, and then they like have just
sort of trunketed it into a sequel now, so the process,
I think there's still similar energy to Mawana to to
The Lion King too.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
Yeah. Well, I really love this movie. I love it
still would watch it again.
Speaker 3 (25:18):
Can I shout out one moment from early in the
film that it was really funny and weird. There's a
bit when Tuminim Poomba are trying to teach Kiara to
enjoy bugs, And one thing I really like at the
beginning of the movie with them and Kiara is how
much the movie rejects just being a repeat of The
Lion King. Like Kiara doesn't want to eat bugs, she
doesn't want to learn about Kokunua Matata. You literally can't
just do the Lion King again. She's a different character
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and she wants different things. But Tomato Pooma started debating
about what bugs are best, like slimy bugs or crunchy bugs,
and they do like the taste great less felling, tastes
great less feeling of like the Miller High Life commercial.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
And I was like, is this on purpose? Oh?
Speaker 1 (25:51):
I did not catch that reference. So perhaps that one's
for the parents.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
Maybe, Yeah, there you go.
Speaker 3 (25:57):
Most of the Tomomon jokes in this one had a
little bit of a thing from the Cobbler Juice on them,
where I was like, these are for the parents.
Speaker 2 (26:02):
I don't know if they're actually funny, but they're here. Yeah,
to say that's nothing on mister Lane's performance, I think
it's just the writing.
Speaker 1 (26:09):
Yeah, you know, the like Timone Pumba TV show that
they did. Of course, I really actually liked that was good. Yeah,
it was quite good. I don't even know if that's
Nathan Lane doing that.
Speaker 2 (26:17):
But I feel like it is I feel like he
stuck with it. Yeah, yeah, I know it's him.
Speaker 3 (26:21):
In Lion King one and a half, they jump from
doing Shakespeare to doing Rosenkrans and Gildenstern are dead.
Speaker 2 (26:27):
Great, Yeah, that's cool.
Speaker 1 (26:28):
Why wouldn't they es.
Speaker 3 (26:29):
Actually, it's fantastic. It'll never happen again, but I think
it is a cool idea.
Speaker 1 (26:33):
Yeah. I also think that this film really succeeds even like,
you know, I talked about static shots and whatever, but
I feel like the like lion facial animations, they did
not skimp on those because they I mean, it looked great.
You saw all the emotion on the lion's face, something
that you lose in live action Lion King. That was
a big criticism from people. I'll be interested in how
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Barry Jenkins is going to combat that and move Fossa.
But I do think he's a great director, So I'll
be if anyone can see him, see him do it,
see him try. Yeah, And I think that Kovu is
one of the hottest antipomorphic animals we've got.
Speaker 3 (27:09):
You know, this isn't really either of our usual flavor,
I'll say, but he's got something he's got something to him.
Speaker 1 (27:16):
It's not your usual flavor.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
I'm staying that neither of us are furries.
Speaker 1 (27:20):
Oh yeah, that's correct.
Speaker 2 (27:21):
Yeh see, that's what I meant.
Speaker 1 (27:22):
Yeah, I think though, there's a legion of young women
who have the same feelings about Kovu.
Speaker 3 (27:28):
Yeah, Coviu is like a jasmine figure and burgeoning identities.
Speaker 2 (27:32):
For young viewers, and we are not alone. I believe it.
Sound off Kovu, Kovu Nation, Cobu Hive, and.
Speaker 1 (27:40):
That's linking to Simba's pride and our pride too. We're
proud of this one and another big animation milestone happened
this one.
Speaker 2 (27:48):
Yeah, speaking of follow ups, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:50):
Both news and like talking about something. It's the tenth
anniversary of the release of Over the Garden Wall, which
we have talked about before and which we're big fans of.
It's also sort of like Over the Garden Wall season.
You know, it's fall tall. It's still on Hulu for now, Yeah,
you can still watch it. So in celebration of that
Ardmin animation, who are the Wallace and Grommitt people, they
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put out a tenth anniversary stop motion short that's almost
exactly two minutes long.
Speaker 2 (28:16):
It's on YouTube easy to find a sequel.
Speaker 1 (28:19):
It's not like a prequel. It's just like within the
world for like two minutes. It's something that could have
happened while on their original journey and we didn't see it,
you know. So it's just Greg and Wirt in a forest.
Beatrice has flown away and she's about to come back,
and they're like, wow, I hope Beatrice comes back soon.
And then worked waxes poetic y he also does it
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feels like.
Speaker 2 (28:41):
It's been a long time, like ten years maybe, and
then she comes back and that's yes.
Speaker 1 (28:46):
But in the meantime you get to see little shots
of everyone who you loved from the original, So like
the Pumpkin people, the Highwayman, the frogs who play music,
the little fish who fishes, the Woodman, Woodsman.
Speaker 2 (28:59):
I think I think it's just a way yeah Woodsman,
the Woodsman perhaps one of the two.
Speaker 1 (29:03):
Yeah, Christopher Lee, Yeah, all them. It was very cute,
very fun and like nostalgic.
Speaker 3 (29:11):
And it really is like when sometimes people say like
this is a love letter that you know, in theater,
we see a lot of plays that are quote unquote
love letters to theater, and they're usually like two hours long.
This is a perfect love letter because it's short and
sweet and to the point, and it gives you all
the nice highs and then you move on with your life.
Speaker 1 (29:26):
And they also have a little fun behind the scenes
video out where you can see exactly how they did it.
Their use of what I believe was three D printing
and carving combined, and then the sort of rigs that
they have for stop motion animation now, so all everything
does not have to be done like minutely by hand.
You can take those rigs out and post. It's a
really interesting way to see how the medium continues to advance.
Speaker 3 (29:49):
That's like how Beatrice the Bird can float in air
because they've got her on a rig that they've removed
in posts.
Speaker 1 (29:54):
Yeah, but that was cool.
Speaker 2 (29:55):
Yeah, it's really cool.
Speaker 3 (29:56):
Crucially, Colin Deane, who voices Greg, you know, Greg sounds
exactly the same, but Elijah Wood does sound older, so
I think they probably just used like archival recording because he's.
Speaker 1 (30:07):
A couple of lines.
Speaker 2 (30:08):
Anyway, I hope he's doing well, you know.
Speaker 3 (30:11):
I know he had to stop voicing a character on
the Loudhouse because of puberty.
Speaker 2 (30:14):
So that was a while ago.
Speaker 3 (30:16):
To whatever you're up to these days. Colin Deine, thank
you for your work. Your legacy is secured.
Speaker 2 (30:21):
Brother.
Speaker 3 (30:22):
Now, before we move on from this, we have a
special report from over the garden Wall specialist here at
Nation of Animation, Freddie Powers. Freddy, what did you think
about this ten year anniversary special?
Speaker 4 (30:32):
Oh my god, it's so cute. Fuck, Oh my god,
it's so good. First of all, how does Colin dene
sound exactly the same as Greg when he was like
a child? That's so good. It's so cute. They've got
fun little references to a bunch of this stuff from
the series. It's fucking gorgeous, like the little bit where
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you see the Woodsman and they have like the lighting
coming from his lantern and it's like, I'm constantly baffled
by stop motion. Fuck, it's so good. God, I'm gonna
go watch it again. Okay, wait, I'm coming back just
to talk a little bit more. Because the soundtrack is
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also really nice. They hit like a bunch of songs
from the series, and it sounds like it's like new
recordings of them or like new versions of them, which
is really sick. The animation is just so good. They
have a little beast in the very end of it,
which I kind of wish they got to use more
during the actual like animation. It's just kind of in
like the ending shot and doesn't move, but I wish
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that I could see me or see more of that.
But it's very funny. Everyone's like, we have Beatrice being
fucking mean again and it's great and it's cute. Okay.
I feel like if I say anything else is just
gonna be like me gushing again, which is in productive
or health.
Speaker 2 (32:01):
It's good man, Thank you, Freddie. We appreciate your hard work.
Speaker 1 (32:06):
Now, Ryan, I see you have a bonus feature for
us today. I don't know what this.
Speaker 3 (32:10):
Means, so I want to talk more about the concept
of the direct to video SEQL. So we mentioned how
Mulan Too does not live up to the president of
Lion King two because it's what just like more romance
and stuff.
Speaker 1 (32:20):
I mean, I think the plot is not super fleshed out,
and then they're really trying to focus on like how
Mulan and Shang are like interacting together. But like Pokemon,
what people loved about Mulan, you.
Speaker 3 (32:32):
Know, Pokehontas to she goes to England is like the
big twist and that I actually quite like Pocahontas too.
Speaker 1 (32:38):
I think it's really interesting.
Speaker 3 (32:39):
And I don't know if it's Cinderella too, but there's
a Cinderella sequel where like one of the.
Speaker 2 (32:44):
Stepsisters falls in love.
Speaker 3 (32:46):
Yeah, it's like there's interesting structural things here of like
trying to either redo it or take it to a complete,
uh you know, opposite act, like making Pocahontas the person
in a new country in the sequel, or making someone
else fall in love in Cinderella too. So I guess, like,
what do you think is the best way to do
one of these? If you were if you went back
in time and they tesked to you with making a
sequel to one of these classic Disney's what is the
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what's the tack in your life?
Speaker 1 (33:08):
Best way to do one of these? No, it's to
find one of the many excellent fan fictions on our
type of our own get writer and say we'd love
to adapt this as a direct to video sequel and
do it from there. There are like so many great
things within fan fiction that like expand upon the world
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after the fact, you know, And a lot of those
are like taking like minor characters and doing things with them.
I hate to bring it up, but like in Harry Potter,
you've seen like the big right now, especially influx of
readers of Marauders specific fanfic, which if you don't know,
is like Harry's parents and their friends, and they've taken
people who are mentioned in one line and like flush
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them out in the whole characters in like a whole
new cannon. So it's like everyone knows that this is
what this person's like, even though that's never established in
the books.
Speaker 2 (34:00):
That the fans have decided, right, So.
Speaker 1 (34:02):
I think, and I think that's an interesting thing to
do with direct to video sequels like Cinderella, you know,
taking someone who was not a main focus and then
doing a story and then I think is an interesting take.
You know, that's not what Lion King two did. They
have brand new characters, but still well.
Speaker 3 (34:17):
They crucially like you know, Simba has an arc, but
he's not the main character anymore. He is now a
secondary figure to Kiara's journey. So speaking of Lion King
you know they did Hamlet and then did Romeo and Juliet.
What would you if there was a Lion King three
that was shakespeare a fied again, what would you pick
to adapt.
Speaker 1 (34:37):
I'd like to take one of the ones that feature
the women a little more prominently, maybe like as you
like it, or even much adude.
Speaker 2 (34:46):
Sure, well, the.
Speaker 3 (34:47):
Problem that you like it is they came retreat into
the forest because they already live in the jungle.
Speaker 1 (34:51):
The other places they could go, it's not it's something else.
What year do you think this happens in? Are there
active poachers out here? Or is this just before?
Speaker 3 (35:02):
I think humans never evolved, It just never that we
just stayed uh chromagnet or whatever.
Speaker 2 (35:09):
So you know, lines with the dominant species. Great love
that they can't use tools, so perfect. Here you go.
Speaker 3 (35:15):
My thought is we just use what we have timon
of Athens and it's just a time and of Athens.
But it's about timone like getting rich somehow. No, he
brings money into the Pride rock, so that's an issue.
But we go from there. That's my you know, back
of the nap getting pitch. We figured it out in
the process.
Speaker 2 (35:33):
Love it.
Speaker 1 (35:33):
There you go, and now it's time for some news.
That's news.
Speaker 3 (35:43):
A lot of bad news this week, I know a
lot of bad news.
Speaker 1 (35:46):
News was very sad for both of us, and that
is that it's been confirmed that Scavenger's Rain, which is
a show we've talked about, is not getting renewed for
a second season by Netflix. This has been up in
the air for a little while.
Speaker 3 (35:56):
Well, it makes it even more cutting is that co
creator Joe Bennett posted a like real of potential scenes
and ideas that they would have elaborated on in season two.
So we can even see a taste of what season
two would have been and now know that we would
just never get it.
Speaker 2 (36:09):
So that's rough. That sucks. I hope that someone somehow.
Speaker 3 (36:12):
Corrects this error or gives this team the opportunity to
make something else new so that they can continue to
show how talented they are and how big a mistake
this was. Yeah, we're sorry, Scavenger's rantein. You deserved better.
Speaking of things not staying or coming out especifically on Netflix,
several series like Vultron, Legendary Defender, and Battle Kitty and
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all the other choose your own adventure stuff Netflix had
gone for a while are being taken off Netflix in December,
which is a huge.
Speaker 1 (36:39):
Costing Sorry, does this include Unbreakable Kimmy Schmidt.
Speaker 3 (36:41):
I'm not sure about that one, because it is part
of a series, so that one might stay, but anything
standalone Choose your own is getting taken down.
Speaker 1 (36:48):
If Kimmy's Wedding Adventure is taken off, I will lose it.
Daniel Ryancliffe is in that one. You get to see
John ham get what's what?
Speaker 2 (36:57):
So yeah, say your prayers. I'm really just a guy.
Speaker 3 (37:00):
They're taking Voltron down because this was a huge mover
for them for a while. I mean that series ended
several years ago, but this was very popular on tumbore
dot com. Lots of fandoms and lots of shipping and
fan fiction was written about this. So it's really weird
and sad that it's getting taken down, as are all
these other things that people worked hard on. You know,
I haven't seen Battle Kitty and I better watch it soon. Also,
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do you want the nice one at the end? Understandable?
Speaking of bad news, so on Dizzey. Plus, there's the
series Moon Girl and Devil Dinosaur, which is loosely based
on Marvel comics that's mostly about like a girl genius
and the dinosaur Syekick. She has an episode of season
two has been pulled. Slash is never getting released quote
due to the outcome of the US election. This comes
from derekim Johnson, who was an animator on the show.
Speaker 1 (37:45):
This has now been deleted, though I will say from
Blue Sky, so I don't know. I guess this is
sort of an up in the air.
Speaker 3 (37:52):
The episode did leak on the internet earlier today at
the time of recording, so that's good. But crucially, the
stated reason for why it was not going to be
really is because there is a character named Brooklyn on
the show who is explicitly trans. And the reason that
Johnson said was that Disney didn't want to release it
due to quote who won the election, which is really
messed up, which is really a horrible thing to think.
Speaker 1 (38:13):
I hope that's not true and they will release it.
We'll see. Yeah, in some good.
Speaker 2 (38:17):
News, right bo. Opposite of the spectrum here, Yeah, bobs.
Speaker 1 (38:20):
Burgers has finally recast beloved character Marshmallow with a trans woman.
Her name is Jari Jones. She's so cool. She's on
TikTok and she's spoken a lot on there about like
how happy she is about the reception she's gotten. Notably,
they have expanded Marshmallow. Marshmallow used to be a character
who would come in with just like one line, like
little like funny one liners.
Speaker 2 (38:39):
More of a joke than a character for a while.
Speaker 1 (38:41):
Yeah, I mean she was not the joke, though, I
would say I think that they still did a pretty
good job of like it is not a joke of
like who Marshmallow is?
Speaker 3 (38:49):
No, but she would just come in and be funny,
sort of on the level of guy and roller skates.
Speaker 1 (38:53):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But now she's back in last
week's Slash this week's Sunday episode Open Mike Night, where
the kids host an open mic night at the restaurant.
They're a hidden cost to that that Bob worries will
ruin them, which Burger's caper I'm hearing I have not
seen this episode. That this episode, some people felt like
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maybe it was a little bit of reaction to people
saying Bobs Burger's has gotten too nice.
Speaker 2 (39:19):
Oh good, So.
Speaker 1 (39:21):
Maybe so, I hope so anyway, though Jones is an
Afro Filipino transgender actress and models. She most recently imposed
for Calvin Klein as part of the brand's historic Pride campaign.
She's also been on Amazon's Transparent, Netflix's Tales of the City,
the Sundance film Adam the Oscar shortlisted in Emmy nomina
documentary Coded, which premiered at Tribeca Film Festival. So I
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think it's really exciting that she's on there. Everybody has
been like, where's Marshmallow, where's Marshmallow? And now marshmallows back
and Yuri Jones's voicing her, and that's awesome.
Speaker 3 (39:51):
This is like something we talked about in our first
episode ever, our our pilot episode. We talked about how
Lauren Bashard had been asked by fans like what are
you gonna do about Marshmallow to be more conclusive inclusive,
And four years later, Bashard has handled it.
Speaker 2 (40:03):
So we appreciate that. Thank you.
Speaker 1 (40:05):
Yeah, it took a little while, but now cool.
Speaker 2 (40:07):
To see like resolution.
Speaker 1 (40:09):
Yeah, and I hope we'll see even more of Marshmallow.
It does seem like that's going to be the case
that Marshmallow will be around and maybe even become more
like series regular in the style of like mort if
not Teddy.
Speaker 2 (40:19):
Sure, sure, sure, well that sounds great.
Speaker 1 (40:21):
So that's some good news to injured deositive. Yeah, Ryan,
you know what time it.
Speaker 2 (40:24):
Is, it is, and I'm ready.
Speaker 1 (40:25):
I am ready to actually go first. I can go first.
It's real world res My real world wreck is actually
a book series that I read a really long time ago.
It's called The Magicians by Lev Grossman. He just came
out with a new book that I've just started called
The Bright Sword, and I'm really liking it, but I
was hesitant to recommend it because I have not finished it,
because it's like a thousand pages long.
Speaker 2 (40:45):
Arthuryana right, it's like King Arthur.
Speaker 1 (40:47):
But I really loved his other book series, The Magicians,
So if you haven't read that one, read it. The
book sizes are more manageable. What is yours?
Speaker 3 (40:54):
Ryan Mine is the film Original Cast Album Company, which
is the document of them recording the cast on one
for the Steven Sonheim Musical Company.
Speaker 2 (41:03):
It is on the Criterion Channel. It is also completely
free on YouTube.
Speaker 3 (41:06):
There's also a great parody of it documentary now did
called co Op Original Cast Recording.
Speaker 2 (41:10):
That's very fun. Anyway, I showed this to my class.
Speaker 3 (41:13):
I teach a you know, intro to theater class, and
at first my students were pretty willing to ignore this.
They just like let it be on while they sit
on our laptops. But over the course of the documentary,
it's less than an hour long. It's fifty three minutes,
and over the course of that time, like one by one,
my students stopped being distracted and just watched the thing.
And by the time we got to the Manguy singing
being alive near the end of it, there was not
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an unattentive.
Speaker 2 (41:34):
Eye in the room. It was like one of the
most impressive things I've ever witnessed.
Speaker 3 (41:38):
It is funny because it's watching a bunch of pro singers,
one smoking like chimneys, you know, people from whom their
voice is their instrument they are, and they're just chain
smoking for the whole run time, and it is a
neat look into the sort of most mercenary mode of
art creation of just them trying to crank through these
songs in a very mechanical way. They're not great to
Elaine Stretch when she's trying to record a song for
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like ten takes. That part is tough to watch, but
it is still compelling stuff. I think that it's a
great great documentary and a great document of like people
who care about what they're making and the links they're
willing to go to to make something great.
Speaker 2 (42:12):
And I really liked it.
Speaker 1 (42:13):
Wow, Persistence of Vision.
Speaker 2 (42:16):
Yeah, except this one was finished. There you go.
Speaker 1 (42:19):
Yeah, great, well that was our lion King Tusimbu's pride episode.
If you're looking to find more about the show, we
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Speaker 2 (42:36):
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Speaker 3 (42:37):
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Speaker 2 (42:41):
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Speaker 3 (43:06):
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Speaker 2 (43:12):
Wow, yeah, God, the power. I'm the Ryan Stevens.
Speaker 3 (43:14):
There's another Ryan Stevens who's a games journalist, and I'm
glad I beat him to the punch on Blue Sky
at least for you.
Speaker 1 (43:20):
We hope you'll join us next time as we get
into our Thanksgiving.
Speaker 3 (43:25):
Get ready to pilot keeping helping up on that for
that episode, as we watch every single Kung Fu Panda movie.
Speaker 1 (43:30):
I've never seen one. This for me.
Speaker 2 (43:34):
For for at least part of it, you're in for
a treat.
Speaker 1 (43:36):
That's right, we're in marathon season again. But until then,
the State of Animation is.
Speaker 2 (43:54):
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Aaron Smith and produced by Danny Mendoza. Show art is
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Adam.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
I'm ready when you are. I thought you're ready to
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Speaker 1 (00:10):
Welcome is Welcome to Nation of Animation, the Cartoon book
(00:50):
Club Podcast for All Ages.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
You are Ryan Stevens and you are Brooke Aaron Smith.
You are one of us that's going to come back later.
This is sort of a brick joke. You'll see when
we get there.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
Okay, sure, so Brooke.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
Finally after long last you know, I hear the comments.
I'm in the subreddits that we definitely have. People are
always like, when are we going to talk about the classics.
We're gonna talk about the classics stuff. We're gonna talk
about the old stuff, the gold standard, and we're finally
here to talk about one of those fixtures on Animations
Mount Rushmore.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
I'm talking, of course, about the sequel The Lion King
two Simbus Prime.
Speaker 3 (01:26):
Yes, one of our first major Disney releases we've ever
talked about on the podcast outside of Disney Dismay.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
I love this one.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
We've been taking our time. Yeah, yeah, this is a
good one. Is the thing. You know.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
It's one of those directed VHS sequels that Disney was
loving to do back in the day, and this.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
One is good and was a whim for Disney. We
have talked Disney flops before, as people will know, but
despite being a VHS release, this was not a flop.
It was not a VHS release because it wasn't expected
to do good.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
In fact, it's not only not a flop, it is
the most successful straight to VHS film ever, selling fifteen
million copies.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
There you Go, pretty good.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
So this film was released in nineteen ninety eight. It
was the directive video sequel to The Lion King, directed
by Darryl Rooney, written by Philip Koegler and Cindy Marcus.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
Now, Darryl Rooney is kind of like a Disney sequels guy.
He also directed moulan To, and he worked on a
lot of animation stuff in Tron. He was also did
animated feature directing. He got an Ani Award for a
Lady in the Tramp to Scamp's Adventure, so which I'd
vaguely remember whenever you need someone to pick up the baton,
Daryl's your guy. There you go.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
Mulon To not as good as Lion King too. I'm
so sorry they leaned into the romance too much and
that you know, I want.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
To give like the concept of the straight of VHS
sequel some time later on, but for now let's focus
on the reason for the season Lion King two.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
Sure, so almost the entire voice cast returned for this film,
with the exceptions of Jeremy Irons who voiced Scar, and
Rowan Atkinson who originally voiced Zazu the Bird.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
Now there would have only been like one line for
Jeremy Irons to.
Speaker 1 (02:59):
Say so, and he was replaced by Jim Cummings, who
is best known as the voice of Winnie the Pooh
slash Pete slash lots of.
Speaker 3 (03:06):
Other thousands of people. He was Scar singing voice in
the original, so there is colledge.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
Yeah, he was the one telling Car had like a
beautiful singing voice in the original. I thought it was
Jeremy Irons. Oh. The cast also picked up a couple
of new editions and main cast members. This includes Neid
Campbell of the Scream franchise also the Craft. Yeah, Jason Marsden,
who voices several like anthropomorphic hot teen boy animals, Amazon
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full House, a.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
Real Disney heart throb of his era, and.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
Is a voice in Skyrim. We've mentioned that before because
he was Max in a Goofy movie, but just know.
Speaker 3 (03:41):
When Brooks Dragon Boorne was trundling around and suddenly heard
the clarion voice of Max Goof, and I knew.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
Who it was too. I know we've talked about this whatever. Anyway,
Andy Dick is in this in his Hayday. Really, I
mean it's the nineties.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
Dick is not like disguising his voice, but he's also
not phoning it in. He's like giving a real good
performance and.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
Then Susan plash it so as most people know. If
you don't, I'm thrilled to break it to you. The
original Lion King is a riff on Shakespeare's Hamlet. This
one is a riff on Shakespeare's Romeo and Juliet.
Speaker 3 (04:17):
And that's just like, that's a great idea to come
back to the Lion King and be like, Okay, we're
doing another Lion Shakespeare. Because a lot of the Disney
sequels are like, let's just do it again. Let's do
another run at Cinderella, same basic premise, let's do more
of the same. And they really shook up the ant
farm here in a way that I think is cool.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
Yeah, So this one is about Simba's daughter Kiara, and
then Scar's like adopted son Kobu, and the boundaries there
are murky. We'll go into that in a little while.
Speaker 3 (04:47):
He is he was raised by the outcast Pride of
Lions that Scar had apparently in secret off camera during
the first Lion King.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
No. I think that they were just part of the
the actual Pride Rock and then they off into a
faction after Scar's death. I have like thought process now
for like what happened while Cymba was gone within Prime Rock. Yeah,
and then originally Kovu was supposed to be Scar's son,
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Ryan's frenemy in this case.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
I hate to give it to.
Speaker 3 (05:20):
Him, but Michael Eisenery did notice that this would be
an issue and urged for Kovu to not be the
son of Scar because then Kovu and Kiara would be
first cousins.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
But as a kid, I will say I still thought
that he was Scar's son, because the way they reveal
he's not is just a little like one offline from
Andy Dick where he's like, wow, not even Scar's real son.
Speaker 3 (05:41):
I mentioned it twice an hour apart, and that's it.
He also has a Scar, so you're meant to make
that connection.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
So I feel like the team was like, yeah, we'll
take the note, and they were like, no, this is
our vision. Also, it didn't bother me because they were lions, right.
Speaker 3 (05:57):
Speaking of them lions and speaking of Covu Scar, can
we talk about how he is like designed to be
a little hotboy.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
Yeah, we'll get into it. We haven't even talked plot yet.
About the plot here, I do want to say, starting
with the title, I do love the little like play
on words of the lion king to Simba's pride pride
because it's his pride of lions, but it's also like
his pride and joy his daughter, and it's also.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
His the sin. Yeah makes you think.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
So, I thought that was so interesting. Here's a little
tidbit for my life. I remember that I was at
Disney World. I was probably five, and it was like
family vacation and they have all the shops, you know. So,
and I had obviously just seen this film because I
went right up to a stuffed animal and no one
else was around. I just said to myself, I said Kiara,
And then a little boy came out behind me. He said,
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that's Simba. Fake it was Simba. I'm sure. I think
I just wanted it to be Kiara.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
I want to choose to believe it was Kiara and
he was just being a jerk. I think it was
you're out there, kid, watch out.
Speaker 1 (06:59):
Oh goodness. So with this one, none of the original
animators were involved in the production. This happens a lot
with direct to video sequels. A big reason is costs.
Speaker 3 (07:09):
Yeah, the people who animated The Lion King were busy
animating another feature film.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
I'm sure most of the animation was done by Walt
Disney Animation Australia in Sydney, Australia, but all the storyboarding
and pre production work was done at Disney Television Animation
Slash Disney Tune Studios, which is in Glendale, California. They
had additional animation done by Walt Disney Animation Canada and
Tune City Animation in the Philippines.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
It's cool they were shipping these lines all over the place.
There you go.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
It was a international sort of project. Ryan, why don't
you tell us about Kovu's adopted sister, whatever her name,
because I thought this was an interesting fact that you.
Speaker 3 (07:46):
Us had a lot of like significance to the names
of the new characters here. So for one, Zira, who's
the Kovu's adopted mother. Her name means hate in Swahili.
Kovu as Swahili for scar, do you get it like
a scar? Nuka, who is Andy Dick's character, is Swahi
for bad smell, which is funny, hate scar vilainy and
then Stinko over here in the corner. Anyway, Kolu and
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Nuka have a sister named Vitani, and that character's name
was originally Shatani. In Kiswahili, it means devil, which Disney
thought was a little too far, so they have to
change her name to Vitani, which means in battle in Keswahili.
And apparently, if you look at some of the mouth
flaps the characters are saying, they are still mouthing the
words shatani, but they just changed it in the dub
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and didn't have time to fix it in the animation,
which is funny to me.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
The devil was here all right.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
Next up, we've got some music talk all that jazz.
But we do know the characters. Now we'll go into
the plot a little. If you haven't seen it, it's
pretty simple actually, So you.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
Know, so two lion households, both alike.
Speaker 1 (08:44):
In Dignity, where we lay our scene.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
I used to know the whole thing, but it's gone now.
Speaker 1 (08:54):
So you have. Simba has had a daughter named Kiara.
She is becoming older wants to explore, and Simba, in
a very moufoss away, is like, don't go out of
the Pride Lands, which is their lands.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
You know you've seen the like everything the light touches go.
Speaker 1 (09:12):
But she ventures out to like the outside lands or
whatever they call it, and she meets Kovu, a little
Lion cup like herself, who.
Speaker 3 (09:22):
Was a member of the Lion untouchables, like the outside class. Yeah,
I think it is outside because they're outside of the
big Rock.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
But yeah, So they play around, they get into some
hyjiinks al Simba and Nala in the first film, they
almost die and then their families come together and they're like,
what you know each other and Simba's like, we banished
you guys. And then Zira, who is Kov's mom, is
like the boy didn't know and Simba's like, I want
to I'll let you guys go this time. So then
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Zera comes up with a plan. Since Kov's already saw
her friends with Key, She's gonna raise Kovu up and
train him as a warrior to like get close to
Kyr and then by doing that, kill Simba.
Speaker 3 (10:05):
This is the plan is basically, We're going to raise
you to fall in love with the president's daughter and
then one day kill the president. Yes, and you are
eight years old and we're telling you this is your
life's plan.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
Correct.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
She has her other son, Andy Dick Akako, Yeah, who's
like jealous of Kovu. That's his big arc. He's like,
my mom doesn't even want me to lead. How I'm fair.
And then his sister, who doesn't do too much except
for being a sister.
Speaker 3 (10:32):
She is fitting for a character who initially was called
the devil. She's depicted as like the evil seed, like
she's more vicious. She's already down with the mission to
kill Simba's family. She is like completely bought in at
the beginning, more so than either of her siblings, and
really kind of more than her mom. She is just
like pure malice in a little lion kitten body.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
But lines can change foreshadowing anyway. Kiara and Kovu grow up.
They meet again and Kovu's like, I have left my family.
I want to join the Pride Lands at Pride Rock,
and Simba's like, I.
Speaker 3 (11:04):
Don't know about this, Yeah, Darkford Lion, we'll try it out.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
As they're trying it out, Kovu like starts to lose
track of his plan because he's falling in love with Kiara.
His plan is revealed when his mean ass family members will.
Speaker 3 (11:18):
Jump him and Simba in the middle of a father
boyfriend talk.
Speaker 1 (11:23):
Yeah, and then in the conflict with Simba there Andy Dick,
Nuka Stinko dies in like a very sad.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
Like in a way.
Speaker 3 (11:31):
There are two times that the movie like echoes Mufasa's
death in the first film, because Mufasa, you know, falls
off a cliff and gets trampled by wildebees. Nuka gets
like run over by falling logs in a very Wildebeest
esque fashion.
Speaker 1 (11:43):
And as he's like doing it like trying to succeed,
he's specifically saying, like for you mother, I'm doing it
for you mother.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
Which is very He's just not that guy.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
Oh and like I said, I think Andy Dick actually
gives a really good voice acting performance. It's very like
dirtbag older brother. Like, I think it's really good.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
It is like burnout was never gonna be was never
gonna amount to much.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
Yeah, and death is very sad really when it happens anyway,
then Kobu is rejected from both prides. He can't go
back with his family because he wouldn't turn on Simba.
He can't go back with Simba's group because Simba blames
him for what happened, and Kyar is like, no, you
don't know who he really is, So she sneaks away,
meets up with him there together again, they come back
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and then both prides fight. In the end, all of
Zira's lioness gals defect go to Simba's side because they
don't want to fight anymore. And to his credit, it
did seem like Simba was gonna let Zerra do it too.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
Yeah, he gives her a chance and she rejects it.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
They were all gonna be one big family and she
said no, and she falls off a cliff and Kiara
tries to savor Ryan tell us what you found out
about this though?
Speaker 2 (12:54):
This was interesting.
Speaker 3 (12:54):
So at the very end, you know, Zerra is dangling
from a cliff and Yara extends upon a reacher and
you know, in the original film, Scar almost saves Mufasa
thence as long as the king and drops into his death.
And in this version, Kiara not Kira. Zero just appears
to slip before Kiera can save her. But apparently originally
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they meant for Zero to fully reject it and say
no never and let go and intentionally drown herself rather
than accept redemption, which is pretty metal, and they should
have left it in because it is a nice like
inversion again of the Mufasa death, which is the inciting
incident for both of these movies.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
Yeah, and like you know, the notion that she could
never you know, give up on her dream, stands on
business for the betterment of her people.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
These movies are about love and Haytn Sire's the biggest hater.
Speaker 1 (13:41):
And what we failed to mention that I think is
very important is that Zerra's pride of lions are living
in terrible conditions. They're living in like termite hills. They
very obviously have no consistent food source. They're all a
little like emaciated, looking quite rough, which is how like
Kobu is raised and then all the rest of them.
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So their hatred has not gotten them very much. But
I will say this, I think that a lot of
their like concerns or whatever, I can see that being justified.
Like they were Scars followers. Obviously, after his death they
decided they didn't want to recognize Simba as their leader
because he killed the person they thought of as their leader.
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That's where the faction comes in.
Speaker 3 (14:25):
Well, they are living in an open air prison. They
do not have like places to hunt or eat properly.
They're all malnourished. Nuka is riddled with fleas, like they're
not in a good place. And the way that the
movie really lets Simba be wrong, it really lets you
see how Simba has messed up in a pretty clear
manner of governance here, I think is really impressive.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
Yeah, because I think that you know, even at the beginning,
he obviously is set up as it. Simba is not
the good guy in this film. Especially as an adult
just watching it, you're like, Okay, this was wrong, and.
Speaker 3 (14:56):
It is cool to see how this is very reasonable
for Simba because Timba, you know, as a child, was
in Timona Pumba's care.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
He was not there and around Mufasa for most of
his life. So now that he's the king and a dad,
he has no real roadmap for how to do this.
The lesson he got from Mufasa was don't go to
the shadow Lands, and he's extrapolated that into an entire
parenting philosophy.
Speaker 1 (15:17):
That's all he does with Kyr. He's sort of repeating
like Mufasa's wisdoms to him, and it's like that doesn't work.
Speaker 3 (15:26):
Yeah, that's cool. That's very sophisticated for a Disney direct
to VHS sequel.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
And even Naala at one point is like you're trying
to like live up to something that you know you
don't have to. And then Kiara mentions that too, like
throwing it in Simba's space. So it's very interesting.
Speaker 4 (15:43):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (15:44):
As far as like critical reception went, this movie was
actually pretty well received. A Ciskel and Eberg gave it
two thumbs up, though they did acknowledge it's not as
good as The Lion King. That was what most people said.
They were like, pretty good, not as good as.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
The Lion and fair enough.
Speaker 3 (15:57):
I think that this one has more like to say,
like I love the Line King, but it is a
very standard you know, hero's journey, go beat the bad guy.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
There's no nuance about disenfranchisement in there.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
Yeah, but we are an animation podcast, and in talking
about the animation specifically, it is a pretty sharp drop off.
There are still very beautiful sequences, but you can tell that,
like the same amount of money was not put into this. Yeah,
there are several there are several completely still shots. There's
nothing moving at all. It's just like they put a picture.
Speaker 3 (16:30):
There's one image of Pride Rock that they just completely reuse.
It's the exact same static image of Pride Rock, and
they'll have other people like in front of it to
varying sizes and distances away. You know, there's a little
bit of seams showing and not in the way that
ruins it.
Speaker 1 (16:42):
But I will say, as a child, though, I did
not notice at all. So there you go.
Speaker 2 (16:46):
Though, that's the market we were.
Speaker 1 (16:48):
This came out when I was three, and I probably
saw it when I was like five, you know, so
I was a quite young child watching it. I wouldn't
have seen these sort of intricacies. Another criticism, though, that
they give about the film is that the music is
not as good as the first film, And in some
ways I can agree, and in some ways I can't.
And I would love to talk about the music because
two of these songs are like some of Disney's best
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songs they've ever done.
Speaker 3 (17:12):
It is not evenly distributed, but there is definitely still
some of the Lion King spark in the soundtrack.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
So the film opens with He Lives in You, which
is like a very sort of epic like opener, similar
to Circle of Life.
Speaker 3 (17:25):
Well, it is a lot more downbeat and the beginning
bits are very minor key and like melancholing. I think
that sets the stage for the movie really well. It
builds to, you know, the rousing he Lives in You
chorus bit, but the start is much less.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
But Circle of Life is like that too though. Remember
it's like from the day we.
Speaker 3 (17:40):
Step I don't know man, that chorus is swelling from
the start. They're letting you know you're in the presence
of something great there.
Speaker 1 (17:48):
So He Lives and You actually has an interesting history.
It was originally included on the album Rhythm of the
Pride Lands, which was inspired by the original films. It's
the people who did the original music, a lot of
the original music. So that's Libo m He like put
together this album. To me, it seems like it's like
songs that could have been in the first one. They
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were like, let's keep going. It was an album, yeah,
that was produced by Disney and distributed by Disney, so
they were fully behind it. It wasn't like this was
a fringe project, and He Lives in You was included
on that. I mean it's very much like referencing Mufasa
and his relationship with Simba. The song was then added
to the Broadway musical, even though it does not appear
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in the first film, and it's in there two times actually,
first as They Live in You, which is Mufasa talking
to Simba in Act one, sort of like a circle
of life kind of moment. Then it comes back as
He Lives in You, which is Raffiki talking to adult
Simba in Act two and builds up to Simba challenging Scar.
And then they just liked it so much they added
to Lion King two.
Speaker 2 (18:49):
I mean Leebeliam also worked on La and as the
Lost Empire.
Speaker 3 (18:52):
Now there's another film of discussion that.
Speaker 1 (18:55):
One is a good one. Then you get a couple
of mid songs they're like whatever, and then you get
to I would say, a life.
Speaker 3 (19:03):
Changing, uh theus for why we're talking about it today,
for why Brook has memories about let me.
Speaker 1 (19:10):
Mention another song first, the Big Villain Song, similar to
Scars from the first one is called My Lullaby, which
Zira sings. It's her be Prepared. It was done by
Joss Whedon that Joss Whedon unfortunately and Scott Warrender it was.
It's also, like, I think for a Disney villain song,
it really does sort of stand out. I think it's
forgotten about kind of now, but I think it's a
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quite good Disney villain song.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
What makes it different from Me Prepared is that it's
not just her singing about her evil plan and like
what her fascist lion goose stepping hyena takeover is going
to look like she's talking about getting like reparations for
her people and like what they're bred for and how
they've suffered in a much more direct way. Now she
does then go like, and we love to be bad
and evil, which is sort.
Speaker 1 (19:52):
Of that was blind. That throws it right, because people
who are like quote unquote bad don't know that they're bad,
Like they think they're doing the right thing. And I
think that's really actually true for Zira and her lions
throughout most of them.
Speaker 3 (20:05):
It's much more interesting if she is just like, we
gotta get our lick back, like we gotta get our revenge.
Speaker 1 (20:13):
But then they like grown a little with the like
and we're gonna raise Koviu up.
Speaker 3 (20:17):
To be bad, the classic you know popular media thing. Well,
the villain can't make too much sense. We gotta have
these eco activists blowup a orphanage or something so you
can know not to like them.
Speaker 1 (20:28):
There you go, and then they're, like I said, some
mid songs, more mid songs, the.
Speaker 2 (20:35):
The what's the loved one? Yeah? You PENDI, which is good.
Speaker 3 (20:39):
They're runn at Kenny for the love tonight does not
have the jew So I'm very sorry.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
To tell you.
Speaker 1 (20:44):
Yeah, it's and it's like very upbeat. Ryan said it right.
I think he said it was like a sort of
like kiss the Girl.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (20:50):
It takes our young love lions through like a jungle
tunnel of love, and it just feels very tact on
and artificial, and we were already seeing them grow together.
I don't know what this, like putting out fast forward
does for the narrative, Brook, what does this remind you of?
Speaker 1 (21:04):
This reminds me? I hope it does of a very
old animated short from like the nineteen forties. This was included.
Speaker 2 (21:13):
I believe.
Speaker 1 (21:13):
I'm sure I've talked about this before, not necessarily this
one specifically, but I had a VHS of Fun and
Fancy Free, which is a Disney film that includes Mickey
in a Beanstalk, which most people know is like Mickey's
take on Jack and the bean Stalk, but it starts
out like live action people at a party. Jimny Cricket's
there though he's a narrator, and then they show us
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a short called Bongo narrated by Dinah Shore, and I
can hear it in my mind. It's like Dinah Shore
and Jimmy Cricket's like Dinah.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
Shore, who knows there?
Speaker 1 (21:47):
Yeah, yeah, But Bongo the bear also falls in love
with another bear, and some of the sequences were it
felt like copied, like the hearts, the heart motif and
a lot of it. It was very interesting. I was like,
oh my god, this is Bongo and Dinah Shor says
it like Bongo.
Speaker 2 (22:09):
Anyway, look forward to that in a future episode.
Speaker 1 (22:12):
Now onto the big event though, which is the song
one of Us.
Speaker 3 (22:16):
So after Kovu accidentally leads Simba into ambush and then
they escape and Kobu is now on the outs of
his own family and Simba's not happy with him.
Speaker 2 (22:25):
And he casts him out of prior rock style. Yea.
Speaker 1 (22:28):
They sing the song one of Us, which starts you'll
know it disception, disgrace, Oh my god.
Speaker 2 (22:37):
It's all the animals who have not said a word
up until the film. The giraffes are.
Speaker 3 (22:40):
Singing, shes are singing, a hippo is giving him the
side eye. Every animal comes out of the woodwork to
read this guy.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
Yes, and it's I don't know, just the musicality of it,
the drama. It is life changing. This one was done
by Jack Feldman and Tom Snow and Jack Feldman did
a lot of the music for Oliver her Income, which
also has amazing music. Why should I worry, Sir William Joel, Yes,
in a great role.
Speaker 2 (23:07):
Yeah, he's great. He should have done more.
Speaker 1 (23:09):
Dodger, Oh my gosh. So even as a child, like
I really loved the song, and as an adult I
also really love this song. So there you go. That's
that's the highlight of the film. The rest of it's great.
Speaker 3 (23:22):
I feel like usually when in conversation the lan King
two comes up, the thing that is mentioned is this particular.
Speaker 2 (23:29):
Song, and why would it not be?
Speaker 3 (23:31):
Yeah, it is just two minutes of them kicking him
while he's down.
Speaker 2 (23:36):
All right, Yeah, there you go.
Speaker 1 (23:37):
It was great and then almost immediately it's sort of
undone right like in the movie. Yeah, but it was
still super cool. Uh. Final thoughts on this one A
couple more like trivia points. A lot of big names
were actually considered for Kiara, including Jennifer Aniston, Alicia Silverstone,
Julia Roberts, Jennifer Love, Hewitt, Reese Witherspoon, Clair Danes, and
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Sarah Jessica Parker. Notably, Sarah Jessica Parker is married to
Matthew Broderick, who voices som Bay himself.
Speaker 3 (24:07):
I mean, I guess, of course it is because casting
is always a process and there's always like options and opportunities.
But it is very odd to me to think of
people like being in the running and in contention and
pushing their agents to get them into a straight to
VHS Disney sequel.
Speaker 2 (24:21):
It just seems like the kind of thing that like.
Speaker 3 (24:22):
Rolled off the lot already completed and there was no
like process too, which is wrong of me, of course,
but it's just something I hadn't thought about.
Speaker 1 (24:28):
Yeah, it's interesting to think, like, especially now any movie,
it feels like that they can release and make money
in the theater they'll put in there, And this one
obviously like would have made theatrical money in some way, right,
Like it sold fifteen million copies as a VHS.
Speaker 3 (24:44):
I mean imagine the Horrible War where they shelved this
for a tax ride off, like they did the Wiley
Coyote movie.
Speaker 2 (24:50):
Terrible.
Speaker 1 (24:51):
But I think we have seen similar things to this
that were motivated by COVID. You know, Turning Red was
supposed to have a theatrical release, it ended up just
on Disney.
Speaker 3 (24:59):
Plus Mawana Too that's coming out in like a few weeks,
was gonna be a series and then was going to
be a different movie, and then they like have just
sort of trunketed it into a sequel now, so the process,
I think there's still similar energy to Mawana to to
The Lion King too.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
Yeah. Well, I really love this movie. I love it
still would watch it again.
Speaker 3 (25:18):
Can I shout out one moment from early in the
film that it was really funny and weird. There's a
bit when Tuminim Poomba are trying to teach Kiara to
enjoy bugs, And one thing I really like at the
beginning of the movie with them and Kiara is how
much the movie rejects just being a repeat of The
Lion King. Like Kiara doesn't want to eat bugs, she
doesn't want to learn about Kokunua Matata. You literally can't
just do the Lion King again. She's a different character
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and she wants different things. But Tomato Pooma started debating
about what bugs are best, like slimy bugs or crunchy bugs,
and they do like the taste great less felling, tastes
great less feeling of like the Miller High Life commercial.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
And I was like, is this on purpose? Oh?
Speaker 1 (25:51):
I did not catch that reference. So perhaps that one's
for the parents.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
Maybe, Yeah, there you go.
Speaker 3 (25:57):
Most of the Tomomon jokes in this one had a
little bit of a thing from the Cobbler Juice on them,
where I was like, these are for the parents.
Speaker 2 (26:02):
I don't know if they're actually funny, but they're here. Yeah,
to say that's nothing on mister Lane's performance, I think
it's just the writing.
Speaker 1 (26:09):
Yeah, you know, the like Timone Pumba TV show that
they did. Of course, I really actually liked that was good. Yeah,
it was quite good. I don't even know if that's
Nathan Lane doing that.
Speaker 2 (26:17):
But I feel like it is I feel like he
stuck with it. Yeah, yeah, I know it's him.
Speaker 3 (26:21):
In Lion King one and a half, they jump from
doing Shakespeare to doing Rosenkrans and Gildenstern are dead.
Speaker 2 (26:27):
Great, Yeah, that's cool.
Speaker 1 (26:28):
Why wouldn't they es.
Speaker 3 (26:29):
Actually, it's fantastic. It'll never happen again, but I think
it is a cool idea.
Speaker 1 (26:33):
Yeah. I also think that this film really succeeds even like,
you know, I talked about static shots and whatever, but
I feel like the like lion facial animations, they did
not skimp on those because they I mean, it looked great.
You saw all the emotion on the lion's face, something
that you lose in live action Lion King. That was
a big criticism from people. I'll be interested in how
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Barry Jenkins is going to combat that and move Fossa.
But I do think he's a great director, So I'll
be if anyone can see him, see him do it,
see him try. Yeah, And I think that Kovu is
one of the hottest antipomorphic animals we've got.
Speaker 3 (27:09):
You know, this isn't really either of our usual flavor,
I'll say, but he's got something he's got something to him.
Speaker 1 (27:16):
It's not your usual flavor.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
I'm staying that neither of us are furries.
Speaker 1 (27:20):
Oh yeah, that's correct.
Speaker 2 (27:21):
Yeh see, that's what I meant.
Speaker 1 (27:22):
Yeah, I think though, there's a legion of young women
who have the same feelings about Kovu.
Speaker 3 (27:28):
Yeah, Coviu is like a jasmine figure and burgeoning identities.
Speaker 2 (27:32):
For young viewers, and we are not alone. I believe it.
Sound off Kovu, Kovu Nation, Cobu Hive, and.
Speaker 1 (27:40):
That's linking to Simba's pride and our pride too. We're
proud of this one and another big animation milestone happened
this one.
Speaker 2 (27:48):
Yeah, speaking of follow ups, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:50):
Both news and like talking about something. It's the tenth
anniversary of the release of Over the Garden Wall, which
we have talked about before and which we're big fans of.
It's also sort of like Over the Garden Wall season.
You know, it's fall tall. It's still on Hulu for now, Yeah,
you can still watch it. So in celebration of that
Ardmin animation, who are the Wallace and Grommitt people, they
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put out a tenth anniversary stop motion short that's almost
exactly two minutes long.
Speaker 2 (28:16):
It's on YouTube easy to find a sequel.
Speaker 1 (28:19):
It's not like a prequel. It's just like within the
world for like two minutes. It's something that could have
happened while on their original journey and we didn't see it,
you know. So it's just Greg and Wirt in a forest.
Beatrice has flown away and she's about to come back,
and they're like, wow, I hope Beatrice comes back soon.
And then worked waxes poetic y he also does it
(28:40):
feels like.
Speaker 2 (28:41):
It's been a long time, like ten years maybe, and
then she comes back and that's yes.
Speaker 1 (28:46):
But in the meantime you get to see little shots
of everyone who you loved from the original, So like
the Pumpkin people, the Highwayman, the frogs who play music,
the little fish who fishes, the Woodman, Woodsman.
Speaker 2 (28:59):
I think I think it's just a way yeah Woodsman,
the Woodsman perhaps one of the two.
Speaker 1 (29:03):
Yeah, Christopher Lee, Yeah, all them. It was very cute,
very fun and like nostalgic.
Speaker 3 (29:11):
And it really is like when sometimes people say like
this is a love letter that you know, in theater,
we see a lot of plays that are quote unquote
love letters to theater, and they're usually like two hours long.
This is a perfect love letter because it's short and
sweet and to the point, and it gives you all
the nice highs and then you move on with your life.
Speaker 1 (29:26):
And they also have a little fun behind the scenes
video out where you can see exactly how they did it.
Their use of what I believe was three D printing
and carving combined, and then the sort of rigs that
they have for stop motion animation now, so all everything
does not have to be done like minutely by hand.
You can take those rigs out and post. It's a
really interesting way to see how the medium continues to advance.
Speaker 3 (29:49):
That's like how Beatrice the Bird can float in air
because they've got her on a rig that they've removed
in posts.
Speaker 1 (29:54):
Yeah, but that was cool.
Speaker 2 (29:55):
Yeah, it's really cool.
Speaker 3 (29:56):
Crucially, Colin Deane, who voices Greg, you know, Greg sounds
exactly the same, but Elijah Wood does sound older, so
I think they probably just used like archival recording because he's.
Speaker 1 (30:07):
A couple of lines.
Speaker 2 (30:08):
Anyway, I hope he's doing well, you know.
Speaker 3 (30:11):
I know he had to stop voicing a character on
the Loudhouse because of puberty.
Speaker 2 (30:14):
So that was a while ago.
Speaker 3 (30:16):
To whatever you're up to these days. Colin Deine, thank
you for your work. Your legacy is secured.
Speaker 2 (30:21):
Brother.
Speaker 3 (30:22):
Now, before we move on from this, we have a
special report from over the garden Wall specialist here at
Nation of Animation, Freddie Powers. Freddy, what did you think
about this ten year anniversary special?
Speaker 4 (30:32):
Oh my god, it's so cute. Fuck, Oh my god,
it's so good. First of all, how does Colin dene
sound exactly the same as Greg when he was like
a child? That's so good. It's so cute. They've got
fun little references to a bunch of this stuff from
the series. It's fucking gorgeous, like the little bit where
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you see the Woodsman and they have like the lighting
coming from his lantern and it's like, I'm constantly baffled
by stop motion. Fuck, it's so good. God, I'm gonna
go watch it again. Okay, wait, I'm coming back just
to talk a little bit more. Because the soundtrack is
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also really nice. They hit like a bunch of songs
from the series, and it sounds like it's like new
recordings of them or like new versions of them, which
is really sick. The animation is just so good. They
have a little beast in the very end of it,
which I kind of wish they got to use more
during the actual like animation. It's just kind of in
like the ending shot and doesn't move, but I wish
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that I could see me or see more of that.
But it's very funny. Everyone's like, we have Beatrice being
fucking mean again and it's great and it's cute. Okay.
I feel like if I say anything else is just
gonna be like me gushing again, which is in productive
or health.
Speaker 2 (32:01):
It's good man, Thank you, Freddie. We appreciate your hard work.
Speaker 1 (32:06):
Now, Ryan, I see you have a bonus feature for
us today. I don't know what this.
Speaker 3 (32:10):
Means, so I want to talk more about the concept
of the direct to video SEQL. So we mentioned how
Mulan Too does not live up to the president of
Lion King two because it's what just like more romance
and stuff.
Speaker 1 (32:20):
I mean, I think the plot is not super fleshed out,
and then they're really trying to focus on like how
Mulan and Shang are like interacting together. But like Pokemon,
what people loved about Mulan, you.
Speaker 3 (32:32):
Know, Pokehontas to she goes to England is like the
big twist and that I actually quite like Pocahontas too.
Speaker 1 (32:38):
I think it's really interesting.
Speaker 3 (32:39):
And I don't know if it's Cinderella too, but there's
a Cinderella sequel where like one of the.
Speaker 2 (32:44):
Stepsisters falls in love.
Speaker 3 (32:46):
Yeah, it's like there's interesting structural things here of like
trying to either redo it or take it to a complete,
uh you know, opposite act, like making Pocahontas the person
in a new country in the sequel, or making someone
else fall in love in Cinderella too. So I guess, like,
what do you think is the best way to do
one of these? If you were if you went back
in time and they tesked to you with making a
sequel to one of these classic Disney's what is the
(33:06):
what's the tack in your life?
Speaker 1 (33:08):
Best way to do one of these? No, it's to
find one of the many excellent fan fictions on our
type of our own get writer and say we'd love
to adapt this as a direct to video sequel and
do it from there. There are like so many great
things within fan fiction that like expand upon the world
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after the fact, you know, And a lot of those
are like taking like minor characters and doing things with them.
I hate to bring it up, but like in Harry Potter,
you've seen like the big right now, especially influx of
readers of Marauders specific fanfic, which if you don't know,
is like Harry's parents and their friends, and they've taken
people who are mentioned in one line and like flush
(33:51):
them out in the whole characters in like a whole
new cannon. So it's like everyone knows that this is
what this person's like, even though that's never established in
the books.
Speaker 2 (34:00):
That the fans have decided, right, So.
Speaker 1 (34:02):
I think, and I think that's an interesting thing to
do with direct to video sequels like Cinderella, you know,
taking someone who was not a main focus and then
doing a story and then I think is an interesting take.
You know, that's not what Lion King two did. They
have brand new characters, but still well.
Speaker 3 (34:17):
They crucially like you know, Simba has an arc, but
he's not the main character anymore. He is now a
secondary figure to Kiara's journey. So speaking of Lion King
you know they did Hamlet and then did Romeo and Juliet.
What would you if there was a Lion King three
that was shakespeare a fied again, what would you pick
to adapt.
Speaker 1 (34:37):
I'd like to take one of the ones that feature
the women a little more prominently, maybe like as you
like it, or even much adude.
Speaker 2 (34:46):
Sure, well, the.
Speaker 3 (34:47):
Problem that you like it is they came retreat into
the forest because they already live in the jungle.
Speaker 1 (34:51):
The other places they could go, it's not it's something else.
What year do you think this happens in? Are there
active poachers out here? Or is this just before?
Speaker 3 (35:02):
I think humans never evolved, It just never that we
just stayed uh chromagnet or whatever.
Speaker 2 (35:09):
So you know, lines with the dominant species. Great love
that they can't use tools, so perfect. Here you go.
Speaker 3 (35:15):
My thought is we just use what we have timon
of Athens and it's just a time and of Athens.
But it's about timone like getting rich somehow. No, he
brings money into the Pride rock, so that's an issue.
But we go from there. That's my you know, back
of the nap getting pitch. We figured it out in
the process.
Speaker 2 (35:33):
Love it.
Speaker 1 (35:33):
There you go, and now it's time for some news.
That's news.
Speaker 3 (35:43):
A lot of bad news this week, I know a
lot of bad news.
Speaker 1 (35:46):
News was very sad for both of us, and that
is that it's been confirmed that Scavenger's Rain, which is
a show we've talked about, is not getting renewed for
a second season by Netflix. This has been up in
the air for a little while.
Speaker 3 (35:56):
Well, it makes it even more cutting is that co
creator Joe Bennett posted a like real of potential scenes
and ideas that they would have elaborated on in season two.
So we can even see a taste of what season
two would have been and now know that we would
just never get it.
Speaker 2 (36:09):
So that's rough. That sucks. I hope that someone somehow.
Speaker 3 (36:12):
Corrects this error or gives this team the opportunity to
make something else new so that they can continue to
show how talented they are and how big a mistake
this was. Yeah, we're sorry, Scavenger's rantein. You deserved better.
Speaking of things not staying or coming out especifically on Netflix,
several series like Vultron, Legendary Defender, and Battle Kitty and
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all the other choose your own adventure stuff Netflix had
gone for a while are being taken off Netflix in December,
which is a huge.
Speaker 1 (36:39):
Costing Sorry, does this include Unbreakable Kimmy Schmidt.
Speaker 3 (36:41):
I'm not sure about that one, because it is part
of a series, so that one might stay, but anything
standalone Choose your own is getting taken down.
Speaker 1 (36:48):
If Kimmy's Wedding Adventure is taken off, I will lose it.
Daniel Ryancliffe is in that one. You get to see
John ham get what's what?
Speaker 2 (36:57):
So yeah, say your prayers. I'm really just a guy.
Speaker 3 (37:00):
They're taking Voltron down because this was a huge mover
for them for a while. I mean that series ended
several years ago, but this was very popular on tumbore
dot com. Lots of fandoms and lots of shipping and
fan fiction was written about this. So it's really weird
and sad that it's getting taken down, as are all
these other things that people worked hard on. You know,
I haven't seen Battle Kitty and I better watch it soon. Also,
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do you want the nice one at the end? Understandable?
Speaking of bad news, so on Dizzey. Plus, there's the
series Moon Girl and Devil Dinosaur, which is loosely based
on Marvel comics that's mostly about like a girl genius
and the dinosaur Syekick. She has an episode of season
two has been pulled. Slash is never getting released quote
due to the outcome of the US election. This comes
from derekim Johnson, who was an animator on the show.
Speaker 1 (37:45):
This has now been deleted, though I will say from
Blue Sky, so I don't know. I guess this is
sort of an up in the air.
Speaker 3 (37:52):
The episode did leak on the internet earlier today at
the time of recording, so that's good. But crucially, the
stated reason for why it was not going to be
really is because there is a character named Brooklyn on
the show who is explicitly trans. And the reason that
Johnson said was that Disney didn't want to release it
due to quote who won the election, which is really
messed up, which is really a horrible thing to think.
Speaker 1 (38:13):
I hope that's not true and they will release it.
We'll see. Yeah, in some good.
Speaker 2 (38:17):
News, right bo. Opposite of the spectrum here, Yeah, bobs.
Speaker 1 (38:20):
Burgers has finally recast beloved character Marshmallow with a trans woman.
Her name is Jari Jones. She's so cool. She's on
TikTok and she's spoken a lot on there about like
how happy she is about the reception she's gotten. Notably,
they have expanded Marshmallow. Marshmallow used to be a character
who would come in with just like one line, like
little like funny one liners.
Speaker 2 (38:39):
More of a joke than a character for a while.
Speaker 1 (38:41):
Yeah, I mean she was not the joke, though, I
would say I think that they still did a pretty
good job of like it is not a joke of
like who Marshmallow is?
Speaker 3 (38:49):
No, but she would just come in and be funny,
sort of on the level of guy and roller skates.
Speaker 1 (38:53):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But now she's back in last
week's Slash this week's Sunday episode Open Mike Night, where
the kids host an open mic night at the restaurant.
They're a hidden cost to that that Bob worries will
ruin them, which Burger's caper I'm hearing I have not
seen this episode. That this episode, some people felt like
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maybe it was a little bit of reaction to people
saying Bobs Burger's has gotten too nice.
Speaker 2 (39:19):
Oh good, So.
Speaker 1 (39:21):
Maybe so, I hope so anyway, though Jones is an
Afro Filipino transgender actress and models. She most recently imposed
for Calvin Klein as part of the brand's historic Pride campaign.
She's also been on Amazon's Transparent, Netflix's Tales of the City,
the Sundance film Adam the Oscar shortlisted in Emmy nomina
documentary Coded, which premiered at Tribeca Film Festival. So I
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think it's really exciting that she's on there. Everybody has
been like, where's Marshmallow, where's Marshmallow? And now marshmallows back
and Yuri Jones's voicing her, and that's awesome.
Speaker 3 (39:51):
This is like something we talked about in our first
episode ever, our our pilot episode. We talked about how
Lauren Bashard had been asked by fans like what are
you gonna do about Marshmallow to be more conclusive inclusive,
And four years later, Bashard has handled it.
Speaker 2 (40:03):
So we appreciate that. Thank you.
Speaker 1 (40:05):
Yeah, it took a little while, but now cool.
Speaker 2 (40:07):
To see like resolution.
Speaker 1 (40:09):
Yeah, and I hope we'll see even more of Marshmallow.
It does seem like that's going to be the case
that Marshmallow will be around and maybe even become more
like series regular in the style of like mort if
not Teddy.
Speaker 2 (40:19):
Sure, sure, sure, well that sounds great.
Speaker 1 (40:21):
So that's some good news to injured deositive. Yeah, Ryan,
you know what time it.
Speaker 2 (40:24):
Is, it is, and I'm ready.
Speaker 1 (40:25):
I am ready to actually go first. I can go first.
It's real world res My real world wreck is actually
a book series that I read a really long time ago.
It's called The Magicians by Lev Grossman. He just came
out with a new book that I've just started called
The Bright Sword, and I'm really liking it, but I
was hesitant to recommend it because I have not finished it,
because it's like a thousand pages long.
Speaker 2 (40:45):
Arthuryana right, it's like King Arthur.
Speaker 1 (40:47):
But I really loved his other book series, The Magicians,
So if you haven't read that one, read it. The
book sizes are more manageable. What is yours?
Speaker 3 (40:54):
Ryan Mine is the film Original Cast Album Company, which
is the document of them recording the cast on one
for the Steven Sonheim Musical Company.
Speaker 2 (41:03):
It is on the Criterion Channel. It is also completely
free on YouTube.
Speaker 3 (41:06):
There's also a great parody of it documentary now did
called co Op Original Cast Recording.
Speaker 2 (41:10):
That's very fun. Anyway, I showed this to my class.
Speaker 3 (41:13):
I teach a you know, intro to theater class, and
at first my students were pretty willing to ignore this.
They just like let it be on while they sit
on our laptops. But over the course of the documentary,
it's less than an hour long. It's fifty three minutes,
and over the course of that time, like one by one,
my students stopped being distracted and just watched the thing.
And by the time we got to the Manguy singing
being alive near the end of it, there was not
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an unattentive.
Speaker 2 (41:34):
Eye in the room. It was like one of the
most impressive things I've ever witnessed.
Speaker 3 (41:38):
It is funny because it's watching a bunch of pro singers,
one smoking like chimneys, you know, people from whom their
voice is their instrument they are, and they're just chain
smoking for the whole run time, and it is a
neat look into the sort of most mercenary mode of
art creation of just them trying to crank through these
songs in a very mechanical way. They're not great to
Elaine Stretch when she's trying to record a song for
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like ten takes. That part is tough to watch, but
it is still compelling stuff. I think that it's a
great great documentary and a great document of like people
who care about what they're making and the links they're
willing to go to to make something great.
Speaker 2 (42:12):
And I really liked it.
Speaker 1 (42:13):
Wow, Persistence of Vision.
Speaker 2 (42:16):
Yeah, except this one was finished. There you go.
Speaker 1 (42:19):
Yeah, great, well that was our lion King Tusimbu's pride episode.
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Blue Sky we are Nation of Animation, which was a
big gift for us. As on Twitter and Instagram we
are Cartoon Book Club.
Speaker 2 (42:36):
We're blowing up on Blue Sky right now.
Speaker 3 (42:37):
We now have more Blue Sky followers than we have
Twitter followers, so that's so weird.
Speaker 2 (42:41):
Oh my gosh.
Speaker 1 (42:42):
That's fine. We also hope to expand to the TikTok
spear before they pull the plug on TikTok in January,
but we'll make it. If you'd like to find me,
you can find me online. I'm still on Twitter for
the time being. We'll see how along that last. At
the Brooks Smith on Instagram who is brook Smith? On
Blue Sky at who is brook and on my website
(43:05):
Brook Aaronsmith dot com.
Speaker 3 (43:06):
Ryan you can find me on Twitter at Ryan Wiches,
Instagram at Rara Bu Guy Blue Sky at Ryan Stevens.
Speaker 2 (43:12):
Wow, yeah, God, the power. I'm the Ryan Stevens.
Speaker 3 (43:14):
There's another Ryan Stevens who's a games journalist, and I'm
glad I beat him to the punch on Blue Sky
at least for you.
Speaker 1 (43:20):
We hope you'll join us next time as we get
into our Thanksgiving.
Speaker 3 (43:25):
Get ready to pilot keeping helping up on that for
that episode, as we watch every single Kung Fu Panda movie.
Speaker 1 (43:30):
I've never seen one. This for me.
Speaker 2 (43:34):
For for at least part of it, you're in for
a treat.
Speaker 1 (43:36):
That's right, we're in marathon season again. But until then,
the State of Animation is.
Speaker 2 (43:54):
Nation of Animation is hosted by Ryan Stevens and Brook
Aaron Smith and produced by Danny Mendoza. Show art is
by her Vashi Leile and our theme music is by
Jacob Maki. Be sure to follow us at Cartoon book
Club on Twitter and Instagram. Thanks for listening.
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