Ep. 73 - Browns vs Jaguars, CJ is anti "Rest Your Starters at the last game of the season" & more

Browns vs Jaguars, CJ is anti "Rest Your Starters at the last game of the season" & more

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This is the FCB Radio Network,Real Talk worldwide online at FCB radio dot
com. Let's not blush until yourown micaphone rush down down, put the

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brush. Welcome on unecessary roughness.I'm Erica Rodriguez with God's infinite ante day.
Welcome everybody God today, buddy,for all of that, for all
those that cannot see right now,God's is doing his happy dan. I'm

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well, I'm spec I'm amazing.Has no rhythm in this dance. Why
you imagine you imagine you mad?Alright, alright, man, I hear
a little bit of you know,a little little anger in your voice,
you know when you're when you're talkingto me. I'm fine on the fact
that I feel it. I feelit. I felt it as soon as

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as I seen it. I feltit. It was it was just it
was permeating his face, his facialfeatures, and his anger and frustration that
he wants to throw at me rightnow. But Mike Cleveland Browns defeated his
Jacksonville Jaguars and they went to thejungle and they got themselves a cat big

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day. How was your weight,buddy, pass ain't no passion? What
was that being? Instead? Goahead, gentlemen, to tell fabulous audience
about the Browns and the Jaguars.For those that don't know that, it
was twenty seven and twenty five.Of course the Browns one. It was

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definitely a game. Of course,as if it was, it was a
lot. The game was completely extreme. However, CJ, let's start with
you, buddy, go ahead andtake the mic. I don't want to
start. Where do I Where doI begin? All right? Look,
there's no better team than Jacksonville atsnatching defeat from the jaws of victory.

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I mean it's almost incredible how innovativethey can be with doing that. Uh.
But you know what, still,to this day, to my core,
I am duval till I die.I will never come off the bandwagon
because I'm not on a bandwagon this. I was in the car. I'm
in the lead cabin of the Jaguartrain, all right, because that is

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my city, it's my hometown,that's my hometown team. I've loved them
since they came into the league.Back and what ninety five, when it
was like Mark Ronnell, Jimmy Smith. We had Tony Basselli on the offensive
line, We had Kyle Brady asa tight end at one point graduated to
Mercedes Lewis. I'm I'm going backhere to the good old days, even
when we had the Twin Towers ofthe really good history. See Jane talking

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about the Twin Towers. That's myhome town. Now, go ahead,
finish up. I'm sorry, Ithought it was my turn to talk before
being interrupted. All right, lookI lost my thought. Marcus Stroud,
Yeah, that's right, that's right, back when we had historically great defense
and at Jacksonville. You know what, we are still a team on the

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rise. Okay, there's nowhere togo but up from here. Now,
this one hurt. I'm not gonnalie to you. Guards. You're happy,
you're having a good time. Ican see little peach fuzz of hair
growing on top of your head becauseyou're so excited that the Browns beat the
Jaguars. But let's be real here, let's dial it back here. It
comes beat. You beat the Jaguars, who are what won in forever?

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Now? So what does that matter? Because you have the best fan experience,
so we we we do. AndI'm glad. I'm glad you brought
that up because there's one thing Clevelandcould never beat, the Jaguars in and
that is fan experience, and thatis where it really matters, because if
you don't have people coming back tosee you play, then what are you

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really doing out there? Well?That see, that's that's that's complete hogwash
right there, because first of isthat here in Cleveland, when it snows
and there's a bet when when it'sa crazy snow, we have We've had
snowball fights in the stadium, youknow what I mean? Like, that's
how much more fun can I thatactually be? I've been there. That's

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a Mother Nature experience. That's notthe Cleveland Brown's Stadium experience. It is
a Cleveland Brown Stadium experience. Andthey do that and they do that in
Lamboat too, do that you know? Yeah, yeah, I've been there
in spirit Okay, okay, somy meditations. So here's the thing I
understand. Back to your history,respect to your city, you know,

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much love and you should definitely alwaysyou know, rep Yo city, you
know, And I'm not mad atyou for that. However, with all
this hog wars, did you eattalking about y'all crushing the Browns and you
know, hating on me? Youknow, it feels really good to know

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that we got a w you know. And but here's the thing though,
here, let's go back, let'srewind back a little bit, because you
just said that the Browns, oh, they beat us such and such.
I don't even know the record,you know, was it one and two?
And I don't know it's it's notgood. But that didn't matter in
the past, So why bring itup now? You see that good Chubb?

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You see Chubb, Oh, man, Chub Chubb. What he got
one hundred and forty four yards man, that dude man, and he just
got back, he just got back, and he just gave me just you
you you are you done? Areyou finished? I mean it's like it's
like you're over here gloating. You'regloating about a six five bodybuilder pushing over

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a sixty sixty five year old lady. You know that's what you're doing right
now. So so so yeah,the jack the Jaguars were in they you
know, we just we just youstarted coming out coming off the holiday season.
The Jaguars, uh, they're they'reworried about the COVID nineteen related issues
going on in the league. Weyou know, we we try to try

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to have a good time for Thanksgiving, we were we were a little sleeping,
you know, a little like abasical sargeant because the items is a
real thing, all right. Andthen we're trying to practice safe COVID nineteen
regulations, so we're staying away fromcrowded places, which is like the gem
and some of the meeting rooms uses. Buddy, No, they're not excuses.

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They're factitious reasons for why we mayor may not have lost a sporting
event that in the grand scheme ofthings. But what's going on in the
world right now? Is it reallythat important? But we're not talking about
we're not talking about the rest ofthe world right now. We're talking about
the Browns beating the Jaguars. Andhere's the thing. You're talking about the

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itis like they were getting over Thanksgiving. The brown you know, the turkey
was at at at in the landtoo. The land got turkeys. Explain,
what the itis is for people whodon't know, is when you eat
too much and eat bad things.So the Browns they were eating stuff that
they should have been eating, andit energized them. See that's what the

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that's what the Browns were eating.See, food is supposed to energize you
not make you super tired, andyou're supposed to eat the right amount and
good food and nourishments. It's obviousthat the Jacksonville was not. So I
don't know who's cooking for him,you know, but they may need another

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chef. I don't know. Don'tworry about who's cooking for us, because
we're gonna be all right. Allright, Look look look again. I
don't know where this is all comingfrom. All right. I never talked
stuff about the Browns, you know, never possibly beating the Jaguars. You
know, there's I never said thatthey could not. I said I didn't

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see it happening, and I forsure didn't see this happening. But uh,
look a little rivalry when when Ithought there was a little wager going
on. Why why why do youwant to bring this? I thought I
thought there was I mean, Imight be forgetting something or you know,
cross wiring my information. I wantthis. I want this bottle right here,

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and I'm showing you right here.I want I want one of these,
man, you know what I mean? See that you have to tell
the viewers what QUI? Oh yeah, yeah, you know, so I
got I got myself a bottle ofGlenn Livitt. You know it's the Caribbean
Reserve, you know, rum barrelselection. Uh. So you know I

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definitely would love to get that,you know, to pick up my winnings.
Uh you know, if you'd liketo deliver them to me, that
you can. One thing that Ialso want to mention is the Browns is
of right now if the playoffs wereto start today, would be in the
wild card game. Can we likecelebrate that for a minute? Can we
be Can you be excited for me? CJ? Can you be excited for

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me? You know what I mean? I mean, of course we got
more football to play and some reallytough games coming up, so but just
be happy for me. Be happy. You know what. I am happy
that you and your team have hada wonderful Thanksgiving. Everybody got to see
who they wanted to see um andyou know what, you got a victory
on the field of sport. Butagain, the Jacksonville Jaguars have the whole

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league on notice. Now you knowwhy because Els Standford learning and learning is
knowledge and knowledge is what power.The Jaguars are one of the most powerful
teams in this last position that they'rein. They are one of the most
powerful teams to make the greatest progress. That also starts with p P for

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power and also PE for progress.The Jaguars will prevail, So that's power
progress and prevail over its perpetual competitors. Knowledge reigned supreme over nearly everybody.
And with that being said, everybody, go ahead and get your snacks,
grab what you gotta grab. We'llbe right back meet us right here.

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necessary roughness once again. I'm EricaRodriguez. We're going to continue the conversasion
with the Browns and Jaguars. First, let's bring to the conversation. Dario,

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marm Dario, the ball is onyour court, sake it? How
are you the ball is on yourplaying on foods balls? Oh god.
We were actually having a really goodconversation during the break that I thought it
would be good to bring on theair. Garps, you thought it was

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good to bring on the air aswell. Um, we were kind of
just looking ahead a little bit atthe Browns schedule. I picked the Browns
to go ten and six at thebeginning of the year. Um, they
may actually do better than that.They played the New York teams, and
obviously it's you know, any givenSunday and all the caveats that go along
with that. But I expect themto win those two New York games.
And then you look at the Ravens. I feel a lot better about the

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Ravens game now than I did atthe beginning of the season because of all
the issues that's going on with theRavens right now. But we were talking
about pick Burgh. The Pittsburgh rematchis at the end of the season.
I believe it's at Cleveland, right, I think so? Yeah, so,
And if the if the Steelers havealready clinched, which is it's likely

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that they would have already clinched bythen they may rest their startups. And
so we were having a conversation abouthow you know that the Browns could really
be in a really good place bythe time they get to that game,
especially if Pittsburgh is resting their starters. And then CJ had brought up a
point that I thought was really interestingfrom his perspective as a former football player.

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So CJ, talk a little bitabout your perspective on that. First
of all, I have to Ihave to pause here and just say,
oh, it's very convenient now thatyou want to hear my opinion on things.
But when I'm talking about the Jaguars, it's all even even poor sweet

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Erica, as she tries to portrayherself, it's not love. That's not
love. That's not the wrong kindof love. I don't want it.
I'm not mad, all right,I'm just disgruntled. All right. This
is a difference anyway. Anyway,so what talking about foodsball? I think
you know something's wrong with Joe,but do a lot I got it star

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anyway, the foodsball is the deviland so are you guards any But but
to your point, Darby, Yeah, as when it goes to and I
know what happens a lot, uh, teams will will wrest are starters.
But sometimes you'll here coaches kind ofyou know, play around with that.
They won't they won't tell the media, Hey we're gonna rest everybody. We're

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not gonna play our starters. Andfrom from my perspective, when you getting
to a rhythm, especially over thesea, over the course of the seasons,
you get into a rhythm, aroutine, you know, practice film,
uh, walkthroughs game you know,you get into that game flow rhythm
every week. You know, youyou go through the same way uh to

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prepare for a game. If youif you abruptly take that out, have
them rest for a week, yourstarters, and then try to get them
back going for a playoff game.It's slows I feel like it slows your
momentum down. What what I'd rathersee do rather see teams do is kind
of like when you're you're up bigin the game, and then there's no

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there's no real reason to have youstarted steal in the game. Put your
put your number two guys in there, put that second team in there.
You don't have to wholesale rest thestarters. Uh, let them, let's
let them. Let them, youknow, play at least the first quarter,
second quarters. So almost so almostlike what they do on like the
third preseason game where the starters comein and for a little bit and then

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maybe a quarter or two and thenthey bring in the second union, right
because for me and then it happenedwith us, you know, I know
people will be like, oh,I was just about football. Yeah,
I was just about to ask youthat. Well, I mean it's you
know, I got the utmost respectfor y'all game because I saw how hard
it was, and I was justabout to ask you, did Joe,
did you guys do that? You'rethe Arena Bowl season, so we I

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know I played. I didn't wantto rest, but yeah, we did
rest some of our starters. Andit just for me, it takes me
out of out of the flow ofthings. You know, I don't want
to be sitting down. I wantto get my my reps in, just
like in practice, you want toget your reps in, and so yeah,
so it doesn't mess up that momentumgoing into the next week, you

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know, because we remember we whenI wasn't playing for the Glad years,
I was playing for Chicago and werested our starters and I got to play.
That was when I was like myfirst year in the league. It
was rookie for me. It wasgreat because I was rookie, I finally
get to play. But we lostthat. I think we lost that next
game because I mean the starters camein, it was kind of they were
just kind of off, you know, and maybe missing that week of preparation

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and playing to rest um, itmight have just just kind of thrown off
the mojo there. And so I'venever been a big fan of wholesale resting
and starters just not even letting themthem play. I'm sure probably at practice
they maybe don't take as many repsobviously because they're not playing. So you
got the guys that are playing reps. But when when it comes to especially

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getting into these playoffs, man,every play is crucial, Every snap is
crucial, and you don't want tolose that that muscle memory, that that
the momentum that you got you know, uh bye bye by just having a
guy rest. So I'm a bigfan of letting letting the starters play the
first quarter, second quarter, andif you've already clenched like the like the

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like, you're thinking the Steelers willmost likely they probably will. Um,
let let your let your starters play, you know, a couple of series,
just like in the preseason. Letthem play a couple of series so
they get those get those snaps in, and then sit them down, let
them rest. Because I have aproblem with it when we were up big
in college, especially when we're upbig and coach is like, all right,
twos, get in there. Hey, put my ball cap on.

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I'm sitting on the bench with myarms spread out. I'm feeling good.
You know, it's games in thebag. We got it, you know,
Let the young pups run. Letthe young girls see. But the
only exactly so, yeah, goahead, go ahead, real quick,
gardens. We got left. ButI want to if you got a point
on I definitely I can see that. You know. One thing that I

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would say, though, is thatI think that their primary um concerned would
of course, be the potential forinjuries, which you know, we've seen
some really bad injuries this year acrossthe entire league, and as every year,
you know, to just fluke uhfluke, you know, circumstances.
But I do understand what your perspectiveis, you know, especially because you

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have the firsthand account. But onething that I will say is please go
ahead, put your second and letour Browns get you know, get another
W with that game. Hey,but when is a win? When is
a win? I see a lotof people complaining, but we are eight

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and three. Stopped complaining. Yes, they could be better, but we
are winning and they're finding a wayto win. And that is the start
of changing the actual culture with ourfootball team experience. Yea, Erica,
we got like four minutes. Goahead and transition us to the next topic.
All right. With that being said, we're gonna talk about the Calves

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to be rebuilding. So the Cavsowner Don Gilbert says, well, he
stated, my apology is Dan.So when Lebron was leaving to join the
Heat, he said, he statedthat he's going to make it his personal

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guarantee that the Cleveland Cavaliers will winan NBA Championship before the self title former
King wins one, but the lackof commitment has shown his head several times
in different occasions. Of course,is it worth fighting a free agent to
fill the mid level exception? Um? Well, I don't think it's I

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don't. I don't think there's there'sa lot of players available right now that
would be worth that worth that midlevelexception right now? UM. I think
the issue is what direction should theCalves take? Should the Calves continue this
long since we brought up since wehad to go back to the bad old

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days of the decision m grabs avery painful rebuild after that time. And
one thing that I mentioned in anarticle that I wrote for for Samamko and
Miko hoops News dot com. Makesure you'll check that out, m is
at that time, the year beforeLebron came back, Chris the Chris Grant,

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who was the Gem at the time, tried to get the Calves to
go to the playoffs. He wantedthe Calves to be competitive. But the
problem is the reason why that didn'twork is because nobody on the team knew
how to win. And this iswhat happens when you spend four or five
years telling players you know, oror setting an atmosphere that says the wins

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don't really matter, right, sowhen you it's players are not and c
J, well, we can bringa little bit of this to the next
segment, because C I would loveto hear your thoughts on this as well.
Like players, is that you can'tjust flick flick on it off switch,
like it's like, oh, wellwinning didn't matter before, but now
it matters, and now we're gonnanow we're gonna try like. It doesn't

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work that way exactly, you knowwhat I mean. So so to me,
you should always my philosophy, andthis is what I believe the Calves
should do. You should always tryto win no matter what, every year,
and if you just happened to suck, then you just happen to suck

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and you get the draft pick thatway. I don't believe in tanking.
I've never believed in tanking. Idon't believe that it has a long history
of it actually working. And ina number of instances. Yeah, everybody
points out about the Warriors in theseventy sixers, but there's a lot of
other teams who've done the same thing, and it did work. So Eric,

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Welcome, welcome back. Let's continueour conversation with us as rebuilding. I'm
gonna go ahead and throw it rightback to Darbio. Go ahead and take
it. Yeah, so um soreal quick like we were, you know,
just kind of talking about that,that approach, that reco I guess
the best wag I put it isretooling versus rebuilding. M I hate the

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idea of of losing on purpose.I've never liked it. Um, I
don't think it works. Most ofthe time, we hear about teams like
like the Warriors and the seventy sixers who built through the draft, but
nobody ever wants to talk about theSacramento Kings who've been building through the draft
for like twenty years, or theOrlando Magic, or the Charlotte Hornets Phoenix

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the Phoenix as well of the ChicaI Go Bulls, like, there are
quite a few teams who have triedthat same route and it not work.
And CJ, this is where Iwanted to go to you what I said
in the article and once again goto the Miko Hoops News dot com to
check it out. What I saidin the article was the reason why a

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short term rebuild, to me isdifferent and if you have to rebuild,
it should be short term versus longterm. And the reason why I say
that is because in a short termrebuild, a team can kind of get
the assets that they need and stillkind of keep that winning culture in tact
somewhat. But if you're doing along rebuild, whatever winning culture that you

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had gets replaced with a losing culture. And when you have that sting of
els on you, it's very hardto get it off. And I think
people think that you could just flicka switch, and it doesn't work that
way. And I think from afans perspective, fans don't really understand a

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lot of fans, not all fans, but a lot of fans don't really
understand the importance of culture and howmuch culture really matters to building a winning
program. So, cj Um,I just wanted to get your your thoughts
on that. Yeah, I thoughtthat was a really good uh point you
made in the article. Uh asas opposed to the short term rebuilds as

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opposed to the long term rebuild,because that just like you said, when
you when you try and rebuild ateam for years and years and years and
years and years, UM that thatthat culture will slowly but surely start to
change. And at that point,who wants to be on that team?

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Now? You know, if youif you do get uh, you know,
a big player. UM, nowthey're they're looking to be traded.
You know, the time he getsright, by the time he gets to
his prime, he wants to leaveanybody he wants to leave. So and
if you get if you get youknow, young draft picks. You know,
you get a draft pick in there, there's no telling if you're gonna

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be good. Yeah, you cansay this kid's gonna be great coming out
of college, and sometimes they are. But what if they're not. What
if they don't work out like youthink they will, what if they get
hurt. There's a lot of differentthings that go into that that UM can
can hamper this rebuild idea. SoI love, I love your your analogy
of retooling versus rebuilding. Retooling meansthat, Okay, we we have some

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bright spots on the team. Let'scontinue to strengthen those while while looking for
other pieces to add to it.You know, well, yeah, you
felt like if you remember, likethe Celtics, the Celtics after they got
rid of the Big Three, theywere bad for like two years, two
and a half years, and thenthey went back on a run again and
started being competitive again. That's likewhen you start, when you start building

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for like three, four and fiveand six and seven years, that becomes
a problem. Man, that becomesa problem with a culture. So from
a from an athlete's perspective, whatis it like? Like it? And
I don't know if you've ever beenin this particular situation, but if you
were, what would it be liketo play for a team that you knew

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didn't care about winning? Then whywhy would I care about being here?
You know what? So here letme let me say this too. There's
only a few teams that can bebad for a long time and still people
want to go there as the LakersBoston even though they, like you said,
they retooled and came out pretty quickly. Um, yeah, that's pretty

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much. That's pretty much pretty muchBoston. If unless you're one of those
two story franchises, then you know, losing is not acceptable all right?
So uh it's I already have aproblem when when people talk about the team
is tanking. Because if you're aprofessional athlete and you're a if you're a

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true competitor, you don't want togo out there and lose. Who wants
to go out and lose all thetime, you know what I'm saying.
Just picture it this way. Iwant to go out every day and just
throw one hundred dollars into the streetevery day. Just keep throwing money into
the street. That's what I wantto do. Who wants to do that?
Nobody wants to lose one hundred dollarsevery day, just throwing it out

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to the street for everybody else tojust pick up and win. Pretty soon,
everybody's gonna be lining up outside yourdoor to come pick up the free
money that they're gonna get off you. So for a professional athlete, tanking
should never be in your vocabulary.Where tanking might come in is that that
management office, that front office.Maybe they're doing things behind the scenes that

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are not putting their players in thebest situations to win. But I maybe
I'm naive on this, but Idon't like to believe that any professional athlete
out there will willingly go out thereand just lay an egg or tank for
a potential number one draft pick who, let's let's be honest, could probably
take your spot, and then you'llbe out of a job because nobody these

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teams aren't really loyal to you longterm things. And there's three points.
There's three points with just with whatyou just said, I completely agree with
you, guys, uh, forstarters, you know, if why would
you tank and you know, let'ssay you're you're on the you could be
on the trade block, why wouldyou take? You know, wouldn't Why

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would you put yourself in that positiontoo? Uh? Second point is that
not most people that are that comeup through the draft do not become superstars,
you know what I mean, Likeif that's in any in in most
sports, you know, say that, say that one more time, because
I think people don't. I thinkpeople don't don't really catch that if you

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just look at the odds, andif you don't look at the number,
is most people do not become superstarsthat are drafted. That's that's it's a
fluke. It's a fluke because andthere's certain people that just have this tremendous
ability, uh that you know,and and and that's not necessarily that doesn't

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necessarily just come from the draft either. But the fact is is that most
people aren't just that spectacular. You'renot gonna just get these Lebron Kevin Durant
type players that are just like amazing, you know, on the floor through
the draft. That's just not alwayshow it's gonna happen. It could happen,
and you know, that's the wholepurpose of the draft is for it

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to hopefully happen. Now, thelast point I want to make is that
I don't think that the whole ideaof tanking would work now in this day
and age where players have that muchmore control as they do now. You
know, you look at what whatLebron uh and d Wade did down in
Miami. You know, you lookat you know, look at what Lebron

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kind of did in Cleveland. Lookat what Lebron did out in LA you
know what I mean, with hisinfluence on the team ownership and management to
bring in certain pieces to help himwin. So if you're taking you're going
up against that and you're hoping thatthat person that you get in the draft,
these people you get in the draftcan actually compete with that, That's

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not possible. It's just not gonnahappen. Well, and not only that,
but like like what CJ was saying, and I alluded to it at
the end of the article, butI really wish I had had more time
to go into it in depth.You know, the issue with tanking and
the losing culture is Okay, let'ssay you do hit. Now, it's
a crapshoot. It's especially in theNBA, it's called the draft lottery,

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Like it's literally playing a lottery.Right, So let's say you do hit,
you gotta that's a four year dealwith a team option for a fifth.
If you're tanking for three of thoseyears or four of those years,
by the time that player that youactually hit on gets in his prime,

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he doesn't want to be there anymoreanyway. It's like, what the hell
was the point, right exactly?I completely agree, like it just it
just and and I understand. Iget the logic. Oh, well,

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you know that's the only way thatyou can build sustainable success. Well that's
bs because if you look at ifyou look at Miami, Miami didn't rebuild
at all from when Lebron left.They retooled and they tried to compete every
year, and if they stunk,they stunk, and you got you got
a high draft pick, naturally,and then you look that team continue to

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retool the way all the way backto to competing in the finals this year.
And I'll say this, I'll saythis kind of piggyback off what you
said. If you want, ifyou want to create, if you want
to have a winning team, asuccessful team, create a culture that breeds
success, as simple as that.So don't don't purposely create a losing culture

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to try and get a hopeful draftpick. When you can continue to compete
at a high level and have somethingthat people want to be a part of,
that's the that's the golden ticket rightthere. And then how unfair is
it? And we got thirty seconds, so I'll make this real quick.
See how unfair is it to thoseplayers to be like, all right,
it doesn't matter if we love,if we lose for four years, and
then by that fifth year, they'relike, okay, it's time to win

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now. Like it doesn't work.It doesn't work like way. And plus
those players who now may be onthe trading block because you know their deal
is up. Now their stats lookterrible. So then who wants them because
they're part of a losing team.Now look like a loser and nobody wants
to And now they're a free agentplaying for scraps. You know it's foolhardy

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back, you guys, we're goingto continue our last conversation and that I'm
going to send it to Dario.Go ahead, yes, So once again
we have great conversations during the breakyard. And one of the things that that
we were talking about during the breakwas the how you need you can't win
with just a team full of youngplayers. You need a mix of young
players and good veterans in order tobe able to compete. And guards have

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brought up about the Cavaliers during Lebron'sfirst run and how the team was not
properly built at that time to reallybe able to compete. And I said,
the the analogy that I see theday that looks most likely to the
Calves, to that era of theCalves is Milwaukee is the Bucks with Jannis

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at To Dakompo and that team.Like they they did just just like what
we did. They had the bestrecord, you know, in the league
and then went into the playoffs anddidn't really do much because you have to
have your team. It's not justgood. Yeah, you got a star
player, Jannis is a star likethis dude is going to is going to

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run the league at some point assoon as people learn how to pronounce his
last name. But but but thethey have to you have to make sure
that that mix of young players andgood veterans is there in order to be
able to compete. But so whenI look at Milwaukee, they remind me

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should they remind me exactly like theCalves when Lebron was here the first time.
So you gotta have people. Yougotta have people that also know how
to win. You know, yougot to have people with that experience of
the playoffs, because the playoffs isa completely different beast. And that's regardless
of whatever whatever sport that you areplaying. You got to have some people

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that know how to win, thathave had that experience of winning. We
were mentioning also even if you flipsports once Jarvis. Once we got Jarvis
in here. You know, theBrowns have been trying for years to go
through the draft, get people throughthe draft. And yes, we have
had some sets, but we've hadmore failure than success on the people that's
actually been drafted. Yeah, sowhat do they do. They brought in

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Jarvis, Jarvis is blessed of,and then they start pulling in all these
other pieces of people that now wantto play because now the culture is starting
to change. Just like you mentioned, Yep, absolutely, CJ. I'll
say it like this, when youclimb Mount Everest, you usually want to
grab a Serfa to lead your waybecause he knows the mountaintop, he's been

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there, he's seen it all upthere. It's the same way when you're
looking into a locker room full ofyoung guys. That's why you want to
have the mix. You bring inthat veteran presence, who's been to the
top, who's been in the playoffs, who's won in the playoffs. More
importantly, to guide that young teamwho's never traversed that terrain before, to

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help them get to the ultimate teamgoal, and that is winning the championship.
So that's when you have a mixof veteran guys and young guys.
I mean, that's really what youwant. That's the sweet spot in sports
that you want to have in allsports across the board, MLB, MLS,
all of them and all that.So you you you want to have

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that that very leadership, but youwant to have enough young talent that your
your foundation is set and built forthe future going forward, for that winning
culture that you're trying to build.Because once and I'll in with this because
once they followed that veteran leadership,once those vets move on, guess what
now those young guys that were lednow become the leaders to the cycle.

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And now you continue to have thatculture of winning because it just it just
keeps repeating itself. No question,no question. All right, miss Rodriguez,
all right, you guys, wewant to switch the conversation just a
tad bit. We're going to talkabout Nate Robinson and Jake Paul. So
social media is still buzzing about howJake paula out Nate Robinson, and reporter

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says according to one Pacific reporter,which his name is not on the report
anyways, it says that Nate Robinsonwas still catching his barons while he was
returning to the locker room. Sowho were you rooting for? And who
were you rooting for? And whatwas your reaction towards the result? I

(40:51):
was rooting Let me say this realquick. I was rooting for for for
late Robinson. Um, I mean, I just Nate was a was a
beast in in in the NBA.Um. Jake Paul he can be a
little irritating on on YouTube and allof that. So I was rooting for
Nate Robinson. But when he gotknocked out, I mean he got knocked

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smooth out, like which time Isaw the second time I saw a comedian
say. The way that Nate Robinsondropped is like the character and Grand Theft
Auto when they dropped when they dielike that. It was you know me,

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I wasn't, uh, I wasn'tnecessarily rooting for anybody. I kind
of was like rob lowing it thatday, you know what I mean,
just like with the NFL hat.But I just had boxing, like yeah,
boxing, go boxing. But youknow, man, that was that
was pretty pretty crazy. I mean, Snoop dog actually needs to be an

(42:01):
announcer for every sport and everything.I need to just sign a contract with
him. When he started thinking freshious, lord, take my hand. Oh,
I was on the floor. Youhear me, listen. You know.

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I reached out to the good Reverenddoctor I'll be good and asked him
what the service would be about thisweek, and he told me he had
nobody to take the church because SnoopDogg already did it for him and Jake
Paul fight. Because I mean,just looking at look, let me tell

(42:43):
you this, Senna Sharpe said itperfectly. Just because you were a really
good athlete in one sport don't meanyou can hop your tail into another one
and think you just gonna ball out, because boxing is a whole different animal,
all right. And this dude,Jake Paul, oh, yes,
like you said, he can beirritating. He's done some dumb stuff on
YouTube. He's been in a coupleof fights now with this, with this

(43:06):
boxing thing. So now he's hadsome practice and he has experience, Yeah,
some experience. Nate Robinson in factthat tweet he said out saying,
you know, thanks to all thetrainers and and people who support what who
trained you to get in there likethat. So so here's one thing that

(43:29):
I would say though, you know, at the end of the day,
like I kind of chilled out onsharing the memes like it's all funny games.
It was hilarious. But here's thething that I will say is that
most people wouldn't have the balls.Hopefully I can say balls. I don't
know if I could say that.You may have to actually bleep that out,
but but most people do not havethe cohodas to actually do something like

(43:52):
that. So you know, there'sthe part where like, yeah, he
got his uh smokey from Friday on, you know, with with with you
know, if you know, ifyou see the movie, you know what
I'm talking about when he says whenhis specific words, but at least he
got in there. But but here'shere's here's my thing guards and I've heard

(44:14):
people have been saying I've heard peoplethat have been saying that too. I
could go with that. If hewasn't talking so much trash, that's the
like, that's the issue I couldaccept, Like it would be like,
all right, well, you knowwhat, at least you know, at
least he got in the ring.You try something new, whatever, whatever.
I can respect that. If hewasn't talking you can't trash. You

(44:38):
talk all that cash but didn't havethe bank to back it up. And
now you're trying to make a withdrawal. But guess what, you're defaulted and
you're landed on your face. It'slike what they used to say, like
what the old timers used to say, his his mouth wrote a check that
his ass can't care that check.Bounce off the ca as three times,

(45:00):
gentlemen, we have a little lessona little less in three minutes less um,
saying on the fighting track, Tysonand Roy Jones, Yeah, the
fight was a little tad, bigrush around the edges, you guys,
Tyson, it was a little rough. Tyson won the third score, with

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the fight left with an unsatisfying draw. Tyson was pleased with the results.
However, Jones was really was notthrowed at all. He stated that I
wear draws. I don't do draws. When are you guys expecting from the
fight. I mean, here's mything is, Like I was just I

(45:44):
was just excited about this, youknow what I mean, Like these guys
like I've watched them growing up,and I was just happy to see it.
Now after seeing it, Tyson isstill a beast. And you know,
everybody worried about Roy Jones, andMike was like, well, why
don't you worry about me? Whydon't y'all worry about me? He was

(46:06):
just done fighting three years ago.So it just shows though, Tyson is
just on a whole different level.And I'm excited to see if he does
it again. But you're a goodfighter. You're a good fighter. I'm
like, ahead, yeah, no, I you know what, Tyson.
I think if Tyson had really wantedto he could have knocked Roy Jones out.
There was a few he was thatjust didn't connect with. If he

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connected, they would be lights out, it would be they had a rule
to where they couldn't go above theface, so Tyson really couldn't do his
one, you know one hit aquitter. Yeah, yeah, but I
always I thought it was like watchingwatching your your uncle's fight each other at
the market. Like it. That'sexactly what said, you're fighting, Look

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Guarden. Guarden was excited to seeit. I don't think if we were
around the table, I don't thinkI was, Uh you for what for
what? Why not? Why weren'tyou exciting? Because for that for the
exact reason we saw they had ruleswhere they couldn't hit each other above above
the face or whatever. Uh,neither of them. I mean, Tyson

(47:21):
looked good, but Roy, lookthose the little highlight videos of him training.
They told you before. It waslike Tyson was on it, on
it. Roy just rolled out ofbed and started, you know what I'm
saying, hit the speed man.Listen that That just wasn't it for me?

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Gee, that's not what we're usedto with those two, with those
two great legends of boxing, We'renot used to that caliber of fighting from
them, so let let their lettheir legends stay in the past. Mike
said he wants to fight again.I hope it's gonna be an actual fight
this time. If he does fight, I all right, gentlemen, we
have less than a few seconds.Y'all want to go ahead and give me

(48:02):
your little your last words for thenight quickly, because we gotta get out
of here. Go Browns. Youknow, we'll just end off like that.
Follow me at guards in for thateverywhere. I hope everybody had a
great week. Help everybody has agreat week as well. Until the next
time, talk go for us youday, hey man, go Jaguars all

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day, every day, King copseventy Twitter, Instagram and guards meet me
in the backyard. All right,having a troid. You don't fight right
now again. This is Erica Rodriguezright back right here next time, and
from that time, much love,much love, much peace, all that
good stuff. This is necessary roughness. Until next time. Somebody, don't

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