Episode 128 - Star Trek: Discovery Season 2

Star Trek: Discovery Season 2 Overview

Discovery's second season has now finished and it's time to talk about it! We've been watching with the beginning and there have been some definite improvements since season one. However, this does not mean it's been all roses and sunshine. Kicking off with a bang, "Brother" knocked our socks off. But did it get any better after that?

Listen to hear us talk about what worked and what didn't. What was fascinating and what was a waste of time.

Episode Transcript

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Tristram Mandel and I'm the Girl Andthis is near nuptial Episode one hundred and
twenty eight. Today we're going tobe talking about Star Trek Discovery season two.
But before we get into that,we want to apologize for not being
around the past two weeks. Yeah, we've had colds for probably two and
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Trek Discovery season two has rapped.The season finale was last Thursday. We

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watched all of them, all ofthem, yes, all of them,
and I really love talking about Discoverywith you, because whenever we finish an
episode, you always turn to meand go, so, what did you
think. Well, you're such adiehard star Trek fan that and I'm not
as listeners know, so I lookat it very differently than you do.

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So there's a last stuff that I'mlike inside baseball type of things for you
that I don't know about. Anda lot of times you'll like explain it
to me after the episode, sometimesduring if it's really important, if it's
really important, right, But mostof the time it's not right exactly.
So Yeah, I'm always interested tosee how you feel about the episode because
I know how important it is toyou. So there will be spoilers.

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Yeah, there's just no way wecan tell at the end of the yeah
season, it's the end of theseason. If you haven't seen it yet,
I mean like it was released onThursday for American audiences, released on
Friday for international audiences. We're nowrecording this on Monday. You've had enough
time. You've had enough time.If you're if you're interested in this podcast
a power start check to Discover Ariousseason two, then you've already watched it.

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You've already watched it, so,um, we're not going to give
you any spoiler warning. Actually,except for this one, we will be
talking about players. So yeah,okay, So it ended. It was
fourteen episodes, which was an episodeless than last season, but the last
two episodes was basically one big episode, right, because like I hate that
they cut him up because the firstepisode was I mean, I'm sorry,

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the second to lastly penultimate episode wasnothing but set up. Yeah, nothing
but set up. You can't evencall it an episode on its own.
Yeah, it was a lot ofjust I mean, it probably could have
been shortened. Oh yes, um, because not a lot happened, Like
it was a lot of build up. I feel like that's all. It

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was just build up. It wasjust build up. And even the episode
before that, yes, was kindof just build up. Two Yeah,
and so such Sweet Sorrow Part onein part two could have been ninety minutes
without being two hours. Yeah.But before we get into like really dissecting
the last episode, because a lothappened in the in the real last episode,

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I want to know, how didyou think? What did you think
about season one? Like when youwhen you've been in everybody, you should
go back to our back catalog.Go to the Nerd party dot com slash
nerd Nuptual and I'll link to itin the show notes. But our episode
not episode one season one review ofStarted Discovery. But I want to know

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from you, what did you thinkof season one? I guess now looking
back from after watching season two,looking back at season one, I really
feel like they were trying to findthemselves as a series, like as a
new Star Trek series, and lookingback at it, I really do feel
like season two was a lot stronger. I feel like the actors found their

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characters in season two. I feellike the story was stronger overall, definitely
more like week to week episodes aswell, which feels more Star Trek to
me, as well as having thatoverarching like this is the main story of
the Red Angel, which was good. Whereas when I look back at season

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one, I felt there was alot of wasted episodes, a lot of
time spent that I, as anon Star Trek fan, was not really
interested in. And I felt likeit was beautiful just like season two,
but a lot of characters they werereally having a hard time, like flushing
them out, and I felt likethere was a lot of like awkward moments

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or just moments where you're like,why why they do that? So,
from my perspective, like, Ihave no desire to go back and watch
season one, not at all,not even a little bit. Whereas season
two I felt like it was good. If I was to like when season
three comes out, I wouldn't mindwatching season two again versus season one.

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I'm kind of like, I'm good. This is coming from a none diehard
Star Trek fan. Like you knowabout Star Trek, you know the general
just because you're married to a diehardStart Trek fan. But I really love
hearing your opins, not only becauseyou're smart and beautiful, but because you
have that pseudo outsider perspective where you'veseen some TNG, you've seen the movies,

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and so you're a sci fi fan, right, and you're an educated
sci fi fan, but you're youdon't have all the hang ups that I
do, Like I come with thirtytwo years of Star Trek baggage my back,
sure, yeah, and expectations ofwhat you think they should do,
you know, and Star Trek fansno offense to all of you, but

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you tend to be very harsh becauseyou love your material so much. It's
like that that love is so strongthat you also dissect it very like harshly,
and like, believe me, Ihave my own vices in that way
where I love something so much likeStar Wars that like I have a hard
time enjoying things that don't go theway that I want them to go.

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I totally get it. I thinkthe first thing that, Okay, what's
the what's when you think about that? When you mentioned your own vice?
What pops into your head? BecauseI have something that pops in my head
about you too. Oh la,oh, that's not what he was in
everything think, Yeah, and howthey ended up messing that whole thing up.
I think a lot of people agreewith you on The thing that popped

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in my head was Hunger Games.Oh okay, okay, yeah, I
was very into Hunger Games. Yeah, you love the novels, you love
Tatnus Everdeen as a protagonist. Yeah, and then the movies came out and
you're just like, that's not whatwas in my head. Yeah, it's
true, It's very true. Yeah. I was just very disappointed. Yeah,
with Star Trek Discovery. Actually,it's like talking about season one again,

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like going back to season one.I wouldn't mind rewatching the second half
of Star Trek Discovery Season one.Okay, I think for me that was
much more entertaining and um, ithad like it was much more focused on
the Mirror Universe storyline. That's true. That was interesting and to a point,
yes, exactly, to a pointlike a lot of people thought that

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they overdid it with a Mirror Universedidn't and they and they probably did.
I mean, even someone who enjoyedthat storytelling felt like, Okay, maybe
they spent too much time. Butthe reason why I liked it is because
it was one unified story with oneYOU'DI fied goal, and it didn't really
feel like there was too many wastedmoments. That's that's not true, but

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any I can think of a lotof wasted moments. No, no,
yeah, it's I'm totally at leastit was like a story that was interesting
in the first season. Yes,yes, it was one storyline that I
really really liked and that I feltlike they all had, Like I said,
they all had a goal they weregoing towards. They were all unified
and trying to get something done.And in the first half it just felt
like just a milange of seeing whatsticks well. And I also feel like

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the bar wasn't very high when wegot to the Mirror Universe storyline, so
I was like, oh, finallysomething interesting that seems cohesive. And it
was also like they had a midseason break in between where they took some
stream off and they had so muchbehind the scenes drama with Brian Fuller dropping
out and then trying to find adecent showrunner and then you know, like

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mixing and matching storylines of like whatFuller's vision was, do we adhere to
Fuller's vision? Do we not?And then the same thing happened in season
two. Yeah, like when theywere prepping for season two, like they
had two showrunners that got picked offbecause apparently they were too abusive to their
staff, which is insane, that'scrazy, and and so it's just like

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it's it made me sad that thatsame kind of thing happened in season two
and now that they're doing a softreboot, like a not so soft reboot
for season three, which is whichis like you're gonna have the same crew,
same ship, but completely different circumstances, completely different mission statement. Right,
they're in the future, they're they'regoing to be in the future,

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so they're not going to be tiedto Cannon, they're not gonna be tied
reet Conning, They're not going tohave to worry about screwing up any storylines,
Like they can do whatever they wantwith the people. To be completely
honest, is what they probably shouldhave done to begin with, Like they
probably should have just started past allof the past history, like they should
have just been like, Okay,this is a new Star Trek. That's

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why it makes sense that we haveall this cool technology everything like that.
Whereas the entire time, especially thisseason, it's like they constantly had to
explain themselves, constantly had to explain, Oh, this is why there's holograms.
Oh, this is why we havesport Drive. This is why we
can't have sport Drive exactly. Likeit was just it was almost like you

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just could hear the writers apologizing tothe fans, and as a non fan,
I was just kind of exhausting,and it was just like, oh
my gosh, wow. And andI think they honestly like they realized how
poorly they messed up in season oneand how like the fans just screaming at
them and then that's why they hadto apologize, because they know their base

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and they understand that they had tolike make up for that. That being
said, I really did enjoy thePike storyline and him being involved, yes,
in Michael's story, Like I reallyenjoyed Pike as a character. Like
I said it a few weeks agowhen we talked about I think the opener
even um, but he was probablymy favorite part about season two. He

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is I think universally loved by everyfan, like like fans who who watch
the show. Where are critical fanswho watch the show and just love everything
that comes out. And I can'ttalk about the people who hate watch the
show because I try not to interactwith them. Yeah, but yeah,

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I feel like everybody loves Pike.Everybody wants a Pike show now. Well,
and it kind of I mean,let's go to the end of the
season of season two, it almostfelt like that's what they were setting up
in a way, which was weirdbecause we know that it's Discovery, like
that's the name of the show.So it was very strange because it almost
felt like, oh, now we'regoing to follow them. I think yes,

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because I got that, I gotthat reaction to where I'm just like,
oh, this is weird that we'renot ending even at a hint of
Discovery. Yeah, like why noteven a little bit in the future,
Like it felt like a show ender. Yeah, discoveries out there and we're
never going to see them again.Exactly. Obviously that's not the case,
but that's what the show. That'swhat the show's visual language told us was

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that Discovery's gone, We're never goingto see them again, and Pike Spot
and Number one are out gonna andjust going to do their adventures. But
also reflecting on it. I thinkwhat they really were doing was the way
that the ending shot progressed, wherethey started in the bridge and the camera
went out of the top dome bubbleand then we saw the ship warp forward.

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I think that was them saying goodbyeto the twenty third century, saying
like, like, Pike Spot andNumber one are having those adventures before Kirk
comes aboard. Because it was amirror of the opener of the first pilot
of Star Trek the original series,the cage, where the cameras outside the
ship and then it goes through thedome into the bridge where pipe Number one,

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which was fansers. I mean theyeven had like the theme play,
yes, so you knew what theywere doing. And they were definitely like
saying, Okay, goodbye this castthat we just saw in season two and
now we're moving forward in the future. Yeah, it was weird because like
they were saying goodbye to the cast, but they did it in such a
way where we're just like, butyeah, but like are we saying And

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I to be completely honest, Iwas kind of like I wouldn't mind seeing
Pike ship, Like I enjoyed himso much that like that was interesting to
me. But again, like,um, I think it's finally in the
right place where it's like Discoveries inthe future. Now it's going to make
more sense, like they have allthe essential people they need right, So

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it's almost like now the show isin the right place to continue forward,
which is really funny because like whenthe show was coming out, like I
had very very honest conversations with friendswhere I said it was like, Discovery
needs to be amazing right out ofthe gate. We need to have a
killer season one, killer season twobecause we do not exist in the eighties

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and nineties anymore. We can't likewe like the world does not have the
patience to allow shows to grow.And thankfully, I mean, I still
think I'm right, but Discovery neededthose seasons, especially with the behind the
scenes drama, to grow. Andso I'm super excited about season three,
and I'm glad that they're allowed tohave a season three because if you look

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at almost all of the Star Trek's, if you look at the Next Generation
Deep Space nine, Voyager Enterprise,like all of them took until season three
or four to really kick it ingear to be great, truly great.
Like Star Trek the Next Generation,which is Harold is one of the greatest
shows of all time, not justsci fi shows, are Startrek shows shows
of all time. The first twoseasons aren't good, so it took that

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long. Yeah, it's just thankfullyStar Trek has the base that's willing to
stick with them no matter what.Right, So it's interesting, it really
is. It is really interesting.So I'm very much looking forward two season
three, being that that reboot ofexploring new life forms and new civilizations,
being free of all this whining aboutreet Conning don't have attached them anymore,

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Like they don't have to explain anythinganymore. They don't have to like go
back and say like, oh well, even though I know we're you know,
in the past like this, youknow, Spot's going to be you
know, like we don't have todeal with any of that anymore. It's
now like their own show, whichis why it should have been. It
makes me think about Voyager, whereVoyager was flung into the Delta Quadrant and
they're like, our mission statement isto get home and and like we have

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no like we're not connected to Starfleetanymore, Like we're just a ship out
in the middle of nowhere. Andso Discovery is going to be like that.
But it makes me wonder what themission statement of the show is.
Are they going to try to getback home? Yeah, what's the deal
are they? Are they just goingto be like, Okay, we exist
in this time. Now, let'smake a life for ourselves. I kind

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of gather that that was the deal. That was like, Okay, this
is what's going to happen now,Like we knew the risks going into Starfleet,
and like this is what the dealis now is now we do our
job in the future. Whatever thatmade me, Yeah, whatever that may
be, Like we're going to bethe representatives of the federation in this whatever
century they're in, right, Sothe only thing I'm interested maybe you can

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answer this for me, like becauseit confused me. There was like a
episode of standalone episode where there wasa man on Discovery by himself. It
was a short track. It wasa short track, and um, like
the the ship itself was very likesuper super aware of super advanced, like

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emotional even um and they had talkedabout like Discovery being like abandoned for a
thousand for a thousand years. Soit makes you wonder, like from watching
this short track, like that obviouslyis now in the future, So what
causes them to abandon Discovery? Willthat happen right away or will that take

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time to be like answered? Here'sthe thing that makes it even more complicated
is that Discovery from our perspective thetwenty third century jump a thousand years into
the future. M and so ifthey're even if they abandoned Discovery right away,
the ship says that she's been abandonedfour thousand years. So does that

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mean the episode Calypso the short trekclipso takes place two thousand years from the
time that your question, and sohow does that work? Or did she
mean like we've like like the peoplelike, are they going to try to
write con that? Did they notthink this? Did the writers not think
Calypso through? Um? But itfeels like too purposeful, Like why would

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you make it a short trek unlessyou had a plan. You know,
yes, exactly, it was aninteresting story, but that alone wouldn't cause
you to write that episode unless youhad a plan for it. It feels
like I need to go back andrewatch Calypso or at least just that reference
of her saying a thousand years becauseit could mean like, oh, well,
our mission, our original mission wasa thousand years ago? Or have

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I been have you been abandoned fora thout? It's just yeah, it's
like, yeah, that's a goodquestion. We won't know until season three,
right or maybe later or maybe later? But uh but yeah, So,
like it makes you wonder, likeit does Clipso take place at thousand
years from the twenty third century ortwo thousand years from? So we talked
about liking Pike and you liked Pikeas well? Yes, um, did

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you like spok? He was fine? Me too. I don't really care.
People love love like people who likeSpok love spok Um. I was
just kind of like, he's fine. I mean, I don't I don't
hate him. I don't dislike him, but I also don't like him either.
He's just kind of there. Idon't see Spark when I see him.

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Yeah, I don't either, andI it's I'm not saying he didn't
do a good job, and soI don't want people jump down my throats.
My throats have multiples. I justthis is I'm not trying to sound
like one of those guys, butit was It's easier for me to see
quinto a spok because it's a differentuniverse. Okay, but when I see

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um Peck as Spok, I'm like, that's not later anymore. But isn't
it so hard to like? Imean, that's the same reason why I
had a hard time with Solo.Let's be honest, Like, when you
have such an iconic character played bysuch a fantastic actor that owns that character

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so much that you're just like they'reone and the same to you, that
is such a hard job as anactor to overcome. Absolutely, So it's
kind of one of those things whereI don't fault him, But I also
just didn't really care. I amthe exact same way. I do not
fault Peck whatsoever. I think hedid it. I think he did a
fine job of being that character.But it was my own mental disconnect that

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didn't allow me to really appreciate andlove it because of what you just said.
I mean, like like Leonard NemoSpock for decades, right, decades,
And with Pike, we had Pikelike the original actor, like Jeffrey
Hunter was Pike for one episode,right, So it's so much easier to
develop that character when you only haveone episode's worth of like to fight against,

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right, versus decades you had Likewith Leonard, you have three seasons
of television, a couple of guestspots, well one guest spot on T
and and then seven movies, right, So like it's so hard, right,
But I I thought it was aninteresting connect, like how they how

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they added him in. I thoughtwas I was totally fine with I just
didn't really care. Like it's notlike, oh no, we're never going
to see Spak, I don't care. Yeah, And like Cannon Wise,
I had no problem with it whatever, Yeah, you know, like you
know, like Spok had some issuesthey had to work out because of the
Red Angee find like Spak has somesort of weird vulcan dyslexia. Sure,

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that's that's cool, Hay's fine.You know, representation of people who have
that kind of that kind of condition, yeah, great, always always,
Like they also have characters and wheelchairson the show. Yeah, I mean,
like I love that kind of representation. So, like from a story
standpoint, I thought it was fine. I thought the Michael connection was fine.
I really don't understand, though,why Michael had to be this secret.

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I really don't understand that. Likeat the end, that really confused
me. I just so at theend of the episode, there's like this
conversation where they are saying, like, Okay, we've got to like pretend
that that never happened. We can'ttalk about it. It's a secret.
We can't talk about Discovery and wecan't talk about what happened to them.

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And that was super confusing to mefrom a story standpoint. Do you understand
why they did that? I understandwhy they did it, but how they
did it is what's weird. Whythey did it was because no one talks
about Discovery ever again in future Trekand Spock and never talks about Michael with

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Kirk or anybody else. Again,they're ret conning the situation by not talking
about it. They're trying to justifytheir own existence, which I think is
very silly because it's a big universe. It is a big universe. Not
everybody has to know everything about Discoveryand everything that came before it, Like
we never heard about Discovery and TN. Well, yeah it was created in

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the eighties and Discovery came out intwenty sixteen. Right, it's just like,
just let go, just let itgo. And also like we have
hundreds of years of material from thetwenty second century to the twenty fourth century,
Like a lot happens, and notevery single person is going to be
well versed in the history of everything. Right, It's okay to have a
big universe. And also with Spok, Spok never talked about his brother either

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Sybalk until Star Treks Um Star Trekthe Final Frontier, like that movie came
out. He had a half brothernamed Cibok. And Kirk's like, no,
you don't you I know for afact you don't have a brother.
He's like, you're right, Ihave a half brother. And Kurk's like,
why didn't you ever tell me?Like that's happened before. Spok is
secret if he doesn't always tell everythingto everybody, he's a vulcan, okay.

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And so like for him to havean adopted sister who's not really technically
his blood sister falls into his patternof only bringing her up if if it
was applicable. Yeah, I getit, okay, And it's just doesn't
matter, just leave alone. Yeah, and then like, okay, so
here's the thing this is. I'mgoing to read this to everybody because this

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is how weird it is so righthere, like they're talking with HQ,
and Spak says the destruction of discoverytragic, but does in and of itself
resolve the issue. Even more radicalsteps must be taken to ensure that type
of scenario never repeats itself. Then, he says Regulation one five seven,
Section three requires Starfleet officers to abstainfrom participating in historical events any resident,

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excuse me, any residual trace orknowledge of discoveries, data or the time
suit offers a foothold for those whomight not not see how critical, how
deeply critical, that directive is.Therefore, to ensure the Federation never finds
itself facing the same danger. Allofficers remaining with knowledge of these events must
be ordered never to speak of Discovery, It's Spoor Drive or her crew again.

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So they lied, They lied toHQ, like Pike number one.
Spock lie to HQ saying it wasdestroyed maybe because of the Spoor Drive,
that they didn't actually go forward intime. Okay. And so the reason
why we're from gathers is because Controlis crazy, like the Control program.

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They like, Control went after themto get the AI right so that they
could become self aware and thus thatwould in the world. And so Spok
Pike in number one are just likethis can never happen again. They can.
We can never let anybody know whatControl knew about artificial intelligence on Discovery
and so I execud land in LAwrong hands, right. And so what
I think, after a lot ofconversation and a lot of self reflection as

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well as research which I shouldn't haveto do, okay, I think what
they're saying is is that well,now that we know that like time travel
totally can happen because we have thespecks for the suit right and we know
time crystals exist on board, somebodyelse could go back in time and get
the sphere data from Starter Discovery beforeit was destroyed. Okay, And so

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that's why spok is bringing up timetravel even though they lied to Age and
then mess up the whole thing andmess of the whole thing, and so
like, even though Spok li toHQ and saying that they didn't time jump.
So that was why it was superconfusing for me, is because they
said that they didn't time jump,that they were destroyed. So why would
spok bring up time travel at all? Well, it's the existence of the
time suit, okay. And sonow that they know it's possible with the

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time suit and the time crystals,that is way too much thinking. It
is way too much thinking. Ishould like ending tag on you know part
that like you could be just likenot paying attention. You know what I'm
saying, Like that seems very like, well, I mean you should pay
I understand. I'm just saying likeeven where they put it, it's like
it wasn't like a huge, longdrawn out like this is why we're doing

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this. They didn't explain it,right. You and I are very educated,
very smart sci fi fans. Wepay attention to these shows. We
were very confused, and we werevery confused because it was not well written.
And if you understood it right away, kudos for you, go get
a metal make yourself an award.But the thing is is that, like
I know a lot of other peoplewho were just as intelligent, who are

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diehard Star Trek fans, who hadno idea what the hell they were talking
about because it went by way tooweird. They did not explain it to
themselves. If you want to jumpand create headcannon for yourself, that's fine,
but this was not well written.But that is what I'm gathering.
But here's what really doesn't make sense. If you move on. Spock does

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his whole personal log and he says, one hundred and twenty four days have
passed since your disappearance. It hasbeen difficult, but we've managed not to
reveal the truth of Discovery's fate toStarfleet. Okay, okay. To have
done so was to risk rendering yoursacrifice meaningless. If we learned anything we
learned, we're not yet ready tolearn everything. Talking about time travel,
talking about the sphere data AI intelligencetotally makes sense. Mother and father are

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diplomatically immune from interrogation, and theyfully understand our silence is meant to keep
you safe. We have sworn neverto speak your name in the presence of
others. Yet I feel you withme always, So so you never had
a sister. That's what really doesn'tmake sense. And that's what like,
I went online try and figure thisout from other people because like the destruction

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of Discovery and like time travel,time suit and sport driving everything like that.
I was like, I kind ofget it now. It still wasn't
written well, but I kind ofget what they were trying to go for
now. Right, this about Michaeltotally doesn't make any sense. This is
just purely from the writers saying,oh, that's why Spot never talks about
Michael. That's why no one knowsabout Michael when they could. Because you're
telling me that Sarah and Amanda,Yes, Sarah and Amanda are supposed to

(29:33):
pretend that Michael never existed or nevertalked about her or never mentioned her name
again. Because she never mentioned hername again in the presence of other people,
means that you were pretending that shedoesn't exist, right, So why
would you do that just because shewas involved with a ship named Discovery that
makes no sense. No, well, it makes sense in the fact that
they just want to say, that'swhy you never heard about her in the

(29:56):
future future, meaning you know,in exactly it's nonsense. Yeah, it's
fan service nonsense that didn't need tohappen whatsoever, and it just confuses and
it just it's yeah, it's horror. That was probably the thing that I
dislike the most in the episode wasthe very very very end, those little

(30:18):
sexes, because it was so poorlywritten. Yeah, And I think that's
my main criticism of season two overall, is the in balance of writing.
Throughout the season. There was goodmoments and then there was some really bad
moments, really bad blow set upmoments or moments that were just you have
episodes where you have ninety minutes ofmaterial crammed into forty five minutes and you're

(30:41):
just like, WHOA, what isgoing on? You're trying to do a
feature length film right in a TVepisode and everything becomes just craziness. And
then you also have other episodes,like two episodes in a row, they're
just build up to something that's goingto happen in the end, right,
like instead of exploring the material thatwas actually interesting, Like oh, I
would have been cool to see intwo episodes versus like all this build up

(31:03):
in that one. So I feellike there was a kind of there was
really cool episodes in this season.I absolutely I still think the opening was
my favorite. Same here, um, But there was interesting story lines,
like I found the whole callback episodewith Pike interesting. Yeah, that was
very interesting to me. That wasinteresting as Tellosians was interesting. I thought

(31:30):
that was a really like to usethat past material in like a very creative
way, Like that was cool fanservice, Like, um, I you
know, you showed me some stuffahead of time to kind of like prepare
me. But I thought that wascool. That was cool prep as a
non star Trek fan that I enjoyed, Like I enjoyed that callback from the
cage the cage, Yeah, thatwas really cool. Um the chilly stuff,

(31:52):
like I really did not enjoy.I really enjoyed that character. But
like that whole thing with like Ido, I think I think she's interesting,
Like she's like funny in some ways, and but honestly, this season
I got tired of her. Shewas getting exhausting in seasons. Yeah,
and I think especially like when thatlike creature, Like what was it like

(32:14):
that um like kind of revolved herlike yeah, it was like what was
it was like a kind of likea virus type thing. Yeah, it
was like a host host. Yeah, like she was making like that episode.
I was just like, I'm tiredof Tilling. Yeah, I think
I question. I question. Imolved like do you really like Tilly?
Which is totally great podcasting to meldwords, um, but I do like

(32:37):
Tilling. I liked her until theyoveruse until they overuse her and make her
over crazy. I'm just like,you're really gonna bump. You're just gonna
run into a briefing with the topbrass admirals and pike Ye senior officers and
just go like, oh my god, I'm totally sorry. Like I'm just
like, uh, you know,like okay, oh no, no,
you know, like it's okay.I'm just nervous right now, you know,

(32:57):
you know, And I feel likea star fleet off and against like
how she acted previously as well,like it just fell off. It's true.
It's true, Like, yeah,I liked what they showed in season
one of Tilly because like some peopleare saying like oh she's they're showing someone
who's neural atypical, like someone whomight have some like might have a condition,
or someone who's a little nervous oris dealing with anxiety. I like

(33:21):
seeing that and like how they addressedit. But in season two they're just
like, Oh, people like Tilly, so let's just make her explode on
screen, right. It was itwas too much. Yeah, they did
make Michael way more human, whichwas so needed, because that was my
biggest probably criticism season one, otherthan a lot of wasted episodes, was
that I didn't like Michael and theyreally were having a hard time skirting that

(33:45):
line between her being raised Vulcan andbeing she's still human. So I really
think that I really enjoyed her asa character this season because she was more
human and actually like showed emotion andlike I cared about what happened to her,
and that connection to her her momand her dad was really interesting.

(34:07):
And I think that they gave herso much more purpose this season, um
and like it felt more like,Okay, yeah, this is why she's
the main character, whereas I feltlike season one it was kind of like,
why why is she this main character? Is she the main In season

(34:28):
one, there was so much protagonistconfusion between my Marca and I didn't like
it. Michael. I know ifI didn't, a lot of people don't
like like, like we talked withyour uncle just yesterday. He's like,
oh, I can't stand Lorca,And I was just like, am I
the only person? But in seasonone I felt like, wait, is
Lorca the protagonist? Yeah? Itwas too much time with him if he

(34:50):
wasn't, And and it was justlike and Michael didn't always have the best
things to do in season one,yes, and so I'm like, is
Michael the protagonist or not? Butin season two, even with crazy amount
of screen time that Pike had,there was no doubt that Michael was the
protagonist, right. And that's onething that I thoroughly enjoyed of season two.
Yeah, absolutely, And just likegiving her more connection that we actually

(35:10):
felt something, you know, whenher mother has been trying to get back
to her and trying to like warnher this whole time, and she thought
she was dead the whole time.You know, it was just a very
interesting storyline to follow. I enjoyedthe Red Red Angel storyline. It kind
of reminded me of the Wasps waspsuit from Marvels very similar and I mean

(35:32):
obviously different function, but it justreminded me of that a lot. But
yeah, I think that there wasI thought the cast was overall good.
There was some kind of episodes wherethe writing was really like, for example,
in the last episode, like whenum, they're about to go kill

(35:53):
the AI, what's his name?Leland? Yeah? Leland? And the
like number two I think it is? Or no, it's like the non
was it what you're talking about?The woman? Yeah, okay, she
says like yum yum, Oh mygod. That was like who wrote this?
They totally took me out of it, really really cringeworthy dialogue during that

(36:16):
thing. Like I liked seeing Noneand Georgio work together. Oh yeah,
no, that was fine, andI like what they did, but the
dialogue that they had back and forthout of it was horrible. It was
so bad, Like if you likedthe cheesy dialogue because it's so cheat,
like because it's so bad, it'sgood, that's your thing. But it
was cheesy, horrible dial really hada lot of that dialogue throughout this season

(36:37):
two or it was just like whywould you write that down for her?
To say, but then you havestuff like between Michael and Spock and Pike,
We're just like, wow, thisis yeah right. I feel like
there were certain times when the dialoguewas well written, but over all the
season itself lacked cohesion. It wasbetter than season one, yeah, but

(37:00):
it could have been even better becauseI felt like, like so many people
were saying, like, oh,well, you know, it might be
easier to explore these characters if itwas like the old days where you had
twenty four episodes, and I'm like, no, yeah, it's twenty nineteen.
I never needed any more twenty fourepisode No, we don't need twenty
four episode seasons anymore. It's twentynineteen. You can do amazing storylines,

(37:20):
an amazing character development in thirteen episodes. Yes, it's very possible. A
lot of shows do it. Yeah, And it's just there's so many times
like I look at the gold standardof House of Cards and that dropped a
season all at once thirteen episodes,and you hardly ever wasted any episodes.
You hardly wasted any It was inthe early days. This is the early

(37:42):
days, and you have tons ofcharacters, yeah, tons of characters,
right, but you know who eachperson is and which person has their moment?
Absolutely, Yeah, what do youthink about the through storyline like his
backstory and his like connection with hissister, and that short trek was the
one that I liked the most washis storyline, his backstory, So I

(38:05):
was really intrigued to see that cometo the main show. Um. I
felt it like it it was itwas good to see. I like the
events, but it was I thinkthat episode specifically was another victim of feature
length storytelling in forty five. Ifelt that too, because it felt so
paroshed at the end. Again,I like the story, I like the

(38:27):
people, I like the order ofevents, but it just got so dang
rushed at the end. Yeah,it was like waits and more time and
then like Pike was making like globaldecisions and five seconds. Yes, that
episode is particularly you were like whoawoa, whoa wa wa wore not God's
exactly exactly, and Pike himself wouldbe very wary of that. That's what

(38:50):
really makes it weird. I knowthere was a gray area when it came
to the prime directive nice Planet,but and I totally feel like even in
like like go give two more episodesand then there was like he had to
spend a lot of a laboring timemaking other decisions. So it was just
it did not match up. Yeah, you know, it was just so
strange because they had such great storylinesthat they basically they could have chopped up

(39:13):
the season into three parts where youjust spit like you have you spend a
lot of time here, a lotof time here, a lot of time
here, like you could, likeif you didn't want to make the control
storyline the whole season, which theyeasily could have, right, because that
definitely felt tacked on. Yeah,you could expand you expand that to the
latter third and then have through storylinein the opening third I mean I mean

(39:35):
in the middle third, and thenhave just the discovery of the Red Angel
and what that means in the frontright, and there you go, like
you have your three act structure andif you don't, if you in that
way, you can keep it moreepisodic for the hardcore star tric fans,
but still have that overarching Red Angeltheme. And but they just they jumped
all over the place. They hadlike three episodes of content into one,

(39:58):
and then they wasted time later onjust like right, like plotted out and
they were like spiritual like farmers,the Rouse people. And then like in
the last episode they had like learnedhow to we were flying fighters fighters,
Like I did not understand that.It was like just so you know,
he has a sister and she needsto say goodbye to Yeah, that's all.

(40:20):
It was, like did we thatrace there they got the Clings?
Well we did not. I meanthat was more than an yeah, like
the Klingons going and like that wasexciting because it was like, oh awesome,
like you know, kind of gaveyou some closure with the Klingons,
where like, Okay, you know, yes we had a war, but
now we're all fighting for life,you know, for us not to be

(40:42):
wiped out, which is a verycommon sci fi theme, right, which
is great absolutely done in Deep Spacenine. They've done it in Orville.
They've done it in countless other placesthat I that I can't even mention right
now. But yeah, like itwas like you said, it was perfect
clue. Yeah, we're never goingto see him again, right, We're
never going to see those Clingons againbecause we're going to be jumping from season
three absolutely, and and like yousaid, it gave that closure. And

(41:05):
then they it was a little dosex mok and like oh my god really
and then boom they come in.But whatever, fun it was. We
didn't need the the baul or whatI think whatever they're called. Yeah,
kar, we didn't need Sreu's race. There was just to say goodbye,
right, That's all it was.And it's like, hey, I learned
how to fly a fighter. Yeahyou know. It was speaking of which
like with the tech with the Enterprise, I didn't know the Enterprise could do

(41:28):
all that? Did you know that? Who are poking me right now?
Yeah? Um, yes, Iam. You were. You were specifically
and purposefully poking the bars for theshow. It's fun. Um. I
am not one of those people whomind rehetcons. I don't. I don't

(41:50):
mind retcons whatsoever. I really don'tlike when Discovery came out and they had
a Crazy Bridge and they had likeholographic emitrors to like so they could have
communication that way, when they hadlike a pseudo um, you know,
holideck, so that they can havea training ground, like when they had
Crazy shuttles. Yeah, I'm like, okay, it's it's twenty nineteen.

(42:12):
Like this stuff was was quote unquoteinvented in nineteen sixty six. It's not
going to look the same. Idon't want a cardboard set on Start Discovery.
I get it. So I makemy peace with the visual aesthetic of
Start Discovery. I really do.Yeah, Um, for all the reasons
I just stated Canon red Conning.When it comes to certain types of technology

(42:32):
or how it interacts with story orum. You know, like if they
said, like, oh, allof a sudden, you know, like
spock, um, you know,like what didn't like science, I'd be
like, oh wait, no,no, no, no, no,
I understand the spot like science likethat kind of stuff. What about the
ship, Like what about the rT D two is on the that Okay,
that's the thing that kind of thatclicks in the ship that skirted and

(42:57):
crossed the line a little bit forme because like that's a little bit more
than just a visual aesthetic, Likethat is a that is ripped from the
Phantom Menace. Yeah, like itwas. There was a lot in the
last episode that was very Star Wars. And I understand that Star Wars has
mass appeal obviously. Yeah, it'sa multi billion dollar franchise within itself,

(43:17):
but it's very different with just afew tweaks, you could have made that
last battle less Star Wars and moreStar Trek. I didn't need the pod
drones that, yeah did that don'texist even in the twenty fourth century,
Yeah, let alone the twenty third. They're pods that you could like escape
pods, but they also can fight. I don't think they're escape pods,

(43:37):
and I don't know if anybody's actuallyin them. Okay, I think they're
drones, but they didn't really makethat clear. So Enders game style,
I think, yes, yes,I think they're Enders game style drones that
can be controlled, um, butthere they don't have anybody in them.
And then they have the shuttles thatare acting like X wing fighters. Shuttles
are not fighters like in Deep Spacenine in the big battles that they had,

(44:00):
they had they brought in specific oneman fighters for a battle. They're
like, the fighters are here,the wing squadrons are here. Here we
go. We got our starships,we got our fighters. They didn't like
turn a shuttle into a fighter likeOkay, sometimes they did where they're just
like, sometimes a shuttle has tofight, but it's not a fighter,
okay, And that's what really buggedme. Is that they had just these

(44:23):
duns and it's not hundreds of shuttlesand pods that just came out of the
enterprise like that's all that's inside ofit. Yeah, Like what's the internal
workings of this thing? Like exactlythe like in TuS the shuttle bay was
large, but just for like afew shuttles, not dozens and hundreds of

(44:45):
pods. And I know that theytried, like Number one said, like,
oh, we picked up these guysalong the way, Like you can't
fit all that in the enterprise,right, And that doesn't makes sense to
me. That's one thing that reallybothers me is that, like in Star
Trek, they go out of theirway to explain and show how things work.
In Star Wars, things just workright, right. I think that's

(45:06):
the appeal of Star Trek right toStar Trek fans, is that it's much
more like rooted in. I mean, I know it's not real, but
like more realistic science versus science consenceright right, science concepts versus like Star
Wars. You're just like and I'ma Star Wars fan, so hardcore,
so you know, it's more ofthe fantasy fantasy. It's you know,

(45:28):
like I think Mark Hamill even said, like more Wizard of Oz, you
know, versus Star Trek is muchmore grounded. Yeah, you know,
or at least tries to be correct. They make excuse, They try to
give you the gobbledegook exactly to explainwhy things are happening, even if it's
nonsense. Right, But with youknow, with this is that like even

(45:49):
when they show like the inner workingsof the turbo lifts, that doesn't make
sense. Do you remember those shots? Yeah? I do. Those don't
make sense. They don't think ofall the wasted space. Yeah. I
was like, wait, where arethey fitting the people? Then like just
like yeah, it's like the livingquarters. And then I'll like, yeah,
it doesn't make sense. Just imagineif a modern day elevator system in
a building worked like that. Yeah, we're like it's a shaft like Willy

(46:13):
Wonka. That's yeah going on here. Yeah, that's the thing. Like
those types of things piss me off. It's not going to ruin the story
for me, No, but itdoes give you an I roll as a
fan. It does give me aniroll as a fan, And it's just
like, that's not how Star Trekis done. Does that make it not
star trek. No, because I'mnot a jerk, But they could have
easily just made it a ship toship battle, like Section thirty one doesn't

(46:37):
have to have like thirty ships andthen hundreds of drones, Like you could
just have it have ten ships andso it's ten against two with a couple
of shuttles who have been rigged tofight. Still would have been awesome and
epic throwing a few drones, butlike, just bring the numbers down right
and make it more ship to ship. I think that that was what was

(46:59):
overwhelming to I think it just becamenoise. At a certain point. It
was like I don't even really carewhat's happening because it's too much. Like
there's a certain point where my brainlike just kind of turns off when it's
like too much to look at.Yeah, And like when when Michael was
in her space suit and she wasgoing through space, like there was a
time when I were like, oh, wow, this is actually really impressive,

(47:20):
this is really cool, Like waitwhere is she again? Yes,
No, I did the same thingbecause like at first I was like,
oh, that's really cool, youknow, she's got an Ironman suit.
And then at a certain point,you're like, wait, what am I
looking at? I don't know whatI'm looking at anymore. So I want
to ask you because I thought Ithought the last episode was very entertaining.
Yeah, like I'm I'm nitpicking onthis stuff, Like I don't like that

(47:44):
they had estromectroids. I didn't likethe drones and fighters and everything like that.
But regardless of that, I thoughtit was a cool battle. It
was really interesting, really visually pleasing, and I thought the storyline was good.
I didn't like that they kept pausingfor emotional moments. I'm just like,
but this is that's just TV,right. I was gone, I'm
screaming like people are dying. Well, I think I think maybe it would

(48:07):
have felt differently if they didn't doso much of that in the previous episode.
Yeah, because I felt like theydid a lot of that in the
like the episode before, so itwas kind of like, Okay, now
we're still saying goodbye in the thirteenthepisode, everybody's saying goodbye on the level
of this is the last episode ofa seven season show, like oh wait,
no, it's the penultimate episode ofa two season show. M Yeah,

(48:30):
it felt a little too it's likeit's like when you have your first
show on Broadway and you take fivebows, like did you earn that five
boom? But the question I wantto ask you is, so when they
revealed to the Red Angel originally wasbeing her mom, her biological mom,

(48:51):
I was like, oh, thankgoodness, because like first it was Oh,
it's it's Michael, and no lazy, that's lazy, lazy, lazy,
that's stupid. That's the one personI didn't want you. I would
rather have it be Suprue than Michael. And then they say, like at
the end of the episode, it'slike, oh, it's not Michael,
it's her mom, and I'm like, okay, cool. But then it
is in the last episode it's like, ah, I know, we fooled

(49:13):
you again. It's actually Michael.I didn't mind it. I thought I
thought it would piss me off,but I didn't mind it because they gave
us, they went through the wholerigm roll. How did you feel about
that? You know? Okay,so I would I think I think they
tricked me. I think that becausethey said it wasn't that my brain was
like, oh cool, it's not. They were being more creative. But

(49:35):
then in the last episode, itends up being her, and it's like,
okay, I you know, honestly, you just kind of want her
to do what she wants she's gonnado, so you don't even like realize
what they're actually doing to you.So until you just said that to me,
I honestly completely forgot that she waslike that I cared. Yeah,

(49:57):
I didn't really care until this moment. It's so so yeah, they tricked
me. They trick you. Theytrick you into not caring, right,
and you're just like, oh,right, wait, you just wonder to
sixty. Just do what you needto do exactly, like, you just
do the thing right, um,And so they I think they I think
what they did was good because like, at first you didn't want to be
Michael, but then you like thatit was their mom But then you're just

(50:20):
like, Okay, fine, Idon't care. There was a lot of
predictable moments though in that whole thing, with like Spock going and like with
the like the shuttle and you're imean the moment he goes in the shuttle,
I'm like, he's not gonna makeit. Yeah, he's not,
like he's because he's gonna he hasto get to Enterprise. I mean everyone
knows that, so it's just kindof like all right, like I mean
we know why he's there. He'sgonna say goodbye, and then something's going

(50:43):
to happen and he can't go withyou know. It's just yeah, it
was a little too predictable. It'sthe problem with prequels right right right,
Like you you know who's going tosurvive and who's not exactly, and you
knew that the Enterprise wasn't going toexplode, except I mean one door is
gonna cause like is gonna shame that. I was going to ask you that,

(51:04):
how would that even work? Blastdoors are a real thing? Yeah,
but like to that extreme, no, okay, because like there there's
a circumstance in Voyager that was verysimilar. Okay where um where like Okay,
so there, like it was inthe Year of Hell part one or
two, I can't remember, andsomething was going to explode on a deck,

(51:27):
okay, like something was going toexplode, and the doctor's there and
he needs to shut a door.He needs to shut a blast door,
okay, And they're screaming on thedoctor like you need to shut the door,
but he's waiting on two crewmen torun towards him, and he can't
wait any longer, and they're like, if you don't, like, if
you do not shut that door,we could lose the entire deck. Okay,
And he shuts the door and theyjust lose a section. Okay,

(51:49):
that makes sense, right, becausethere could be a cascade effect. Um,
you know there's a cascade effect withexplosions. But the thing is is
that enterprise has multiple blast doors.Yeah, so if there's just one that's
not working, you could lose adeck or a section. They're trying to
say, just like that's hot.Felt they were saying like they could lose
the ship or like lose the bridgecrew. Like it was weird because at

(52:10):
the beginning they said they could losethe ship, but then they like the
change into just the bridge crew above. So I guess that does kind of
make sense, but it was weird. It felt it felt forced. And
also apparently you have R two Dtwo, So why not just have him
close the blast door. I don'tknow, you know, just have two
two do it. Because they wantto get rid of that actress because she

(52:30):
didn't have a purpose for a longtime. Oh my gosh, she was
kind of a pointless admiral yeah,um, which a lot of people loved,
but I would have loved to haveseen her actually do more. Yeah
seriously, but regardless. Um,So like the Red Angel stuff, like,
yeah, that didn't bother me becausethey trick you into not carrying,
right though. The one thing thatI didn't quite understand, but I've made

(52:52):
my peace with my own head cannon. They might have explained this and I
just missed it. But so theysay that, like you can only use
the Time Crystal one to move forwardinto the future and to make a whole
big enough for discovery and her,but then she can use it five times
in the past. That doesn't makesense right now, that doesn't make so

(53:13):
like she like when spok is disabledand Michael's there and they're like, I
can't move towards the future in spotslike well, you gotta be the rein
Angel. You got to make thefive lights or the seven lights or whatever.
You got to do that, Andshe's like, okay, cool,
I'll just use I'll just jump fivetimes right with the Time Crystal, which
is supposed to burn out immediately.And so again like maybe I miss something,

(53:35):
but maybe you can like going backin the past doesn't drain the time
crystal as much, and if it'sjust like a whole beginning, yeah,
I didn't That doesn't make sense.Yeah, that doesn't make sense. And
they didn't explain that no, Andagain in that moment, I didn't really
care because I was just like,use the Crystal sit there, stop saying
goodbye, right, just go justgo into the future. Honestly, at

(53:57):
that point in the episode, actuallyjust go, just go because it was
like too much. It was liketoo much stimulation. So I was just
like, just get out. Iwas. So maybe I didn't like the
episode quite as much as you.Maybe maybe because I liked it. I
liked it, but there was alot of nitpick yeah, and there was
a lot to go down now there. Okay. So I saw an alternate

(54:19):
fan ending like someone who was likeus and didn't like how it ended okay,
um, and didn't think that theyexplained it well enough. One person
said, actually, this was acouple of people, and I'm totally blinking
on who it was, and Iapologize if you're listening. But one person
said, like, wouldn't it beinteresting if instead of saying like, instead
of saying like, oh, well, like, let's have hundreds, if

(54:40):
not thousands of people who were involvedin Discoveries missions. Just keep a lid
on it. Yeah, what ifthey what if we had Spock and Pike
go to the telusions and say canyou help us kind of alter reality?
So nobody, like, nobody saysanything, and then like one person chimed
in again and said yeah, andtheir their price would be Okay, we'll

(55:07):
do this for you. But theFederation needs to make it a ban on
this planet and make it punishable bydeath if everybody goes to this planet,
which in Star Trek lore, theonly death penalty is to go to that
planet, and no one knows why, and Discovery still hasn't explained it.
So just imagine if they did that, Well, then that would be a
great callback. It'd be a greatcallback. It would tie up all these

(55:30):
loosens. It would have the samekind of ending, except explain a whole
lot more and make more sense.Yeah I like that more, and I
do too, but I'm like,that's not what they went with. So
that's fine, And some people mightthink it's more fan servicy, but like
I talked about this with some peopleand they were just like, no,
that's complete, like voyager style resetbutton. That would have been horrile,

(55:52):
that that robs all of the emotionalcontent. I'm like, no, Like,
it's just like there there's a sectionof fans out there where if the
writers do it, then it's gold, it's dazzling. No, writers mess
up all the time, and that'sokay, all the time, and it's
just I'm a fan of Lost.Okay, writers mess up all the time.

(56:17):
Yes, all the time, allthe time. So no, and
it's a it's just it's just likeif this if like there's this section of
fans where like, if the fansdid that whole Tellogian thing, they would
have been bowed down on their kneessaying that it was amazing, just like
they're doing with this one right,just because the writers did it. But
if anybody dreams up another scenario oflike, oh, why didn't they do

(56:38):
this, like, well, you'renot the writers. They obviously spent more
time on it than you. Andjust like you have these you have pro
discovery people, you have anti discoverypeople who are like both fanatics in their
own route. And I've blocked thesame amount of people on either side on
Twitter. Well, it's exhausting.It's exhausting. It's like just be down
the middle exactly, Like I thinkyou can analyze things like they're there.

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Like that's why we have this show. It's fun, right, it's fun
to think and use your brain.You don't have to accept everything that you're
fed, right, But at thesame time, you don't have to hate
watch things. So you know,it's like that happy medium of like have
your own mind, but if youreally hate something so much, then stop

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watching it. Yeah, there's adifference between hate watching a TV show and
hate watching Twilight. Like there's adifference, right, right, It's you
know, like just just like letpeople have their own opinions, Yes,
exactly, let people have their ownopinions. Don't feel like you need to
infect other people with your own negativity. But also don't infect people with your

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fake positivity. Yeah, that's exhaustingto you. Liking something does not make
it bulletproof, Yes, exactly,that's very true. Is that where you
want to end? I kind ofdo. I feel like that's a you're
gonna write that down all right,I'm gonna use it. Well, thank
you for listening, and hopefully youcan tell us what you thought of Discovery

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has into, whether you liked it, whether you're like, no, that
was terrible, what did you thinkand also if you think we're crazy,
Yeah, these are just our opinions, right, and this is just how
people we feel. It is byno means binding or absolute. This is
just our opinion on things. AndI'm sure there're's people out there who are
just like, no, it wasworse than season one, or people out

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there who are like no, thisis spun gold. Um. Yeah,
I'm sure that there's people out therelike that exactly. And if you like
our show, let us know,be respectful and we'll be respectful back.
We thank you so much for listening, and as always, go to the
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check out everybody else on the network. We have so many great shows coming
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I love you, I know it'sgoing Yes, marry me. I
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I love that woman. I loveher more than sharks Low blood, I
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