Episode 129 - Avengers: Endgame Review

Avengers: Endgame Review

We're a week late with the rest of the world but hopefully,​ that just gives more people to not get spoiled by our review. We give our spoiler-free​ impressions first and then, of course,​ give a warning before we get into spoiler territory.

We loved Infinity War, got tingles when the movie ended, so Endgame had big Thanos sized shoes to fill. Did it live up to the hype or did it fizzle out like Doctor Strange's charisma? Listen to hear our review.

Episode Transcript

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Welcome to the nerd party. It'sgoing Yes, marry me. I love
you and I like you. Ilove you and I like you. I
love that woman. I love amore than sharks love bloody. Hello.

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I'm Tristan Raudel and I'm the girl. And this is Nerd Nuptial, Episode
one hundred and twenty nine. Ifthis is your first time listening, we
are a married couple looking at lifethrough a nerdy lens. How are you
doing? We're tired, Oh mygosh, yeah, we're real tired,
exhausted, yes, but jazzed aboutthis podcast. That's right, because we
may be given it to you aweek later. Yeah, unfortunately, sorry,

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but we are giving you our Avengersendgame review. Now. We had
to take some time off before becauseof illness, and we really didn't want
to take time off again, butwe had a family situation. Yeah,
and it desperately needed our attention,all of our attention right right for a
very long time. Yeah, andthat took more. That took the importance.

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But I do want to tell youguys that so if you're nerds like
us, which you are because you'relistening to this show, you need to
get tickets to things as soon asthey come out, right, it's a
big deal. It's a big dealto get tickets, especially in the digital
age when you can do it onlineright, and you don't have to wait
in line anymore, like when yougo to a midnight showing or something like

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that. You don't have to standoutside for three hours hoping you get in
right, but you do need tobe fast on your phone exactly tickets.
And so there was the day thatthey came out. They released it forty
five minutes earlier than they originally intendedor they were supposed to. I had
a friend in the know who textedme that morning. I pulled over on

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my way to work because I donot text and drive, that's right.
I pulled over because safety first.And I tried to get first showing,
six pm first showing tickets on Thursday, and it took a couple of minutes
because I had to try and retrybecause of like Fandango was down and everything
like that. But it wasn't asbad as last Jedi and I got the

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tickets. I can't believe I gotthe tickets right to our theater, Dolby.
Yeah, it was fantastic. Peoplewere selling them on online for thousands
of dollars afterwards, and I gotthe tickets. Yeah, I was just
walking on air for the rest ofthe day. And that same day I
was able to get backup tickets onFriday and Saturday IMAX. Well because of
the Last Jedi situation where we hadreally good, you know, tickets and

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then each time like we couldn't go. Yeah, our little baby was got
the flu. Yes, she wasin the hospital. She was literally in
the hospital. And I said,I was like, well, we won't
be able to make the Friday showingof Last Jedi. That's okay because I
have Saturday tickets right right, Well, we'ren't able to go to life happened.
It was the same situation with thisone. Couldn't make the Thursday,

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it's fine, we got Friday,couldn't make the Friday, that's fine,
we got Saturday. You couldn't makethe Saturday, Okay, I'll try to
scrunge up some tickets on Sunday.Ye couldn't make the Sunday. And then
Monday and Tuesday we're absolutely out.Yeah, And you know, I think
the thing about this film was justthe fear of being spoiled, and you

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know, the Russo Brothers even likeput out this letter saying like, hey,
don't be a jerk, don't spoilthings for other people. And so
we did everything in our power tomake sure it wasn't spoiled for us by
deleting all social media. Yes,I deleted everything off the phone, I
deleted Twitter, Instagram, letterboxed,Yeah, I don't have a Facebook,

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and I also deleted my news app. Yeah, because you know, those
bloggers couldn't keep their mouth show.Of course, So I mean, like
the stupid way that you had them. Something that spoiled for you from Last
Jedi was someone in a Star Trekpost said something about Last Jedi. Yeah,
in the comment section. All theysaid was such such and such dies

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and so and so dies had nothingto do with what anybody was talking.
It was just to be a jerk, just to be a jerk. And
also I had Rogue one spoiled forme the end of Rogue one, Yeah,
and I was like, this isnot happening, right, You're just
like I'm not having any social media. There's no chance. And we didn't
get anything spoiled. We didn't.We waited a crazy Yeah. No,
I will admit that it was alittle like I felt a little bit bad

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because well, first of all,we had a lot of like stress going
on in in our family, inour extended family. So it was one
of those situations where like it wasit was a little like a little anti
climatic going a week late, Iwould say, because we were like not
necessarily with the crowd. That wasokay, you know what I'm saying,

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Like that we were at the crowdthat probably didn't care as much about the
movie as we did, but wedid have the back row to ourselves,
which was beautiful. So, like, you know, there was this really
annoying guy though, who left hisphone on. Yeah, my uncle came
with us because he was in townbecause of the family situation, and he

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was he was probably the loudest personthere. Oh gosh. So that was
just kind of ironic that we hadthe most we had that person in I
row. We Okay, so Inever go see a movie without you.
No, You're the only person Isee a movie with, is you?
Yeah? That's it? Yeah?And I am very hardcore with my rules,

(05:45):
and so were you. Oh yeah, no, these have been established
since we were dating. Yeah,Like we we didn't make out during movies
no credits, that's right, barelyare you kidding me? Yeah? I
was gonna say, like you heardthat ending music, like oh we're wrapping
up here? Um yeah, andjust and so like I never thought to

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like you grab your uncle like beforethe movie Who I Love Dearly? Yes,
yes, and and say like okay, uh no talking, yeah whatsoever?
Like no loud comments, yeah,and uh the phone's gonna be off
obviously, and yeah, and likeno fidgeting. It was just hilarious.
It was hilarious because like all ofthe things at that point, I just

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had a laugh because it was likeit was just it was just cracked me
up. So the movie was start, was just about to start, and
he said he was gonna go getus some pop corn and some drinks.
And I ran over there. Iran back down and I said, I
was like, I'm really scared you'regonna miss something. Can I help you
carry anything? He's like no,no, no go, and he literally
shoves me. He's like, nogo, it doesn't matter. I don't
I don't want you to miss anything. I was like, oh, what

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a what a guy. And andso I get and we're at a CMX
and that's where you get to orderfood and people helped bring you things and
everything like that. And so themovie has started. It's the opening scene,
and the opening scene's over, andthen our uncle comes up and someone's
behind him and he says, atfull volume, well I've got the popcorn,

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and my friend behind me's helping me. Full volume. Definitely quiet theater.
It cracked me up so much.I was just like, of course,
and as he's handing me my drink, I'm just he had fun with
us. I had fun with himtoo. And then his phone goes off.
He's like, oh my god,and he says like to the room,

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like I'm sorry, I'm sorry,and then he stops it. But
then he doesn't turn it off,and I lean over to you and go,
Dan, I just held your handand just ripped it tightly. But
we had a good crowd. Yeah, but it was a good crowd.

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Hardly anybody was there and no onewas talking or using their phone, and
but I had a like Here's thething though, is that when we saw
Halloween m we saw it opening weekends, everybody was jazzed. Everyone was really
into it, and it really wantedto be scared. They want to be
scared and it really added to theexperience. It did. I didn't really
think about that until you said it. Just No, I'm sorry, You're

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like, well, you just killedthat for me. No, I just
I wish that we had seen itwith like the crowd that was super jazzed,
you know, the people who weredressing up, you know. I
just it's so funny because throughout ournew nuptial, I feel like this has
changed so much that we used togo to like a Matineeana Sunday exactly so

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we didn't have to deal with anyone, and those people were not jazzed to
see any of those movies. Andthen we kind of just fell upon going
um opening weekend like to the firstshowing, and we're like, this is
where we belong. Part this iswhere we belong. These are our people.
Part of I completely agree with you, but part of me was was

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glad that we didn't go opening dayafter the fact because good friend and friend
of the network, Craig Sarell postof Words with Nerds. He told me
he said, he's like six peoplegot kicked out of his showing. Jeez,
sex people for for talking, oneperson for being rowdy or almost starting

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a fight and the last person wastrying to record it on his phone.
Wow, in one showing in oneshowing, so that had to be distracting,
and oh my gosh, that's mythat's my personal health. That is
that's like a nightmare. Like honestly, like if I put all those people
around you, if I was ifI was sent to hell, the devil
would create that circumstance for me.And then Matt rushing host of aggressive negotiations

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and olpost he said that he foropening showing, he was sitting right next
to very loud, very drunk people. Oh no, and people were telling
me these stories and I was justlike, man, so maybe you just
got some of the crazies wanted thatexperience. Maybe maybe that's true. Well
maybe you should count ourselves like herewe go. Yeah, yeah, So

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we didn't see it when we wantedto see it. And this podcast is
late, but we are bringing itto you now, right now, and
so this is what we normally do. So we give reactions to it if
you if you if this is yourfirst time listening to one of our reviews,
we give reactions to it. Wetalk about, you know, like

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what we thought, like what wewere expecting going into it, and then
what we thought walking out of it, and then we go into spoiler territories,
right, we will announce yes,spoiler territory before we get into it,
because we know that's very important forpeople, and we like, we
didn't get spoiled, and so wedon't want you to get spoiled. Absolutely
all right, So girl, whatwere you hoping to get out of this

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movie? I don't know, tobe completely honest with you, I guess
I obviously you just expect the thingsare going to get solved, right,
And I was expecting a lot ofCaptain Marble because yeah, because I mean,
she's awesome, and when it wasright before, so we're like,

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okay, we established her so thatwe can use her in Infinity I mean
in an endgame sorry, after InfinityWar, and I wasn't sure how long
we would be in this state ofthey're all gone. So I don't really

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I mean, to be completely honest, I don't know what I was expecting,
um, but I had a feelingthat we would win safe. Yeah.
We did have a conversation that wewere talking about like how awesome this
is before we went in. Wewere like, how awesome would it be
if they lost? How awesome andballsy it be if they just straight up

(12:03):
lost again? I mean I wouldn'teven be mad. I would stand up
and go pro vo. That's amazing. What were you expecting? I had
high hopes, high hopes for thisfilm. I was so sold on Infinity
War. Okay. I love InfinityWar okay, and I could watch it

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anytime. When I saw it inthe theater, and as soon as the
credits rolled, I was just wow, Yeah, I haven't had that kind
of experience in the theater in along time where when the credits rolled,
I literally say out loud, wow, Wow, yeah, what a movie,
right, And it was just itwas an awesome experience, right,
It was an awesome experience. Andso I was hoping for that, if

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not more, okay, from anygame. Okay. And so that's a
hard thing to live up to,Yeah, it really is. Because I
gave Infinity War four and a halfstars, so I is expecting a five
star movie, Okay, Okay.That that's a hard That is a hard
thing to live up to. Thatis a hard thing to deliver on.
That's like a force awakens expectation.There almost no no, because there's history

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there. Yeah, there's a lotmore history there. Okay. With Force
Awakens. Force Awakens, I thinkis a different animal. It's it's it's
high expectation. You're right, I'mnitpicking. You're right, it's high expectations,
but a different animal. Okay,I think. Okay, Um,
well high you were, Yes,this the bar was high. Yes,
the bar was high because of infiniteSo good example. That's what I'm saying.

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I'm taking back what I said.Thanks. Um Okay, So did
you have any clue where they weregoing to go? I did, and
I think because something got spoiled forme while they were filming it. Oh
okay, like while they were filmingit. Um, I get this isn't

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really spoiler. I mean, I'mtrying. I'm trying not to spoil anything.
But like when I when we getto the spoil section, Um,
there was there was one key componentthat was spoiled from of me. But
it was something that I thought theywere going to do anyway, okay,
And and so I knew this wasgoing to be in it, and so

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I pretty much knew how the plotwas going to go because of that.
Okay. And I know that soundsweird. Well you'll explain it a little
bit more. I'll explain it lateron. So, like there, I
had certain expectations of how the plotwas going to go, and a lot
of those expectations were met. Someof that was really mainly just because of
the one like some of it wasbecause of the one thing that got spoiled,
which I wasn't even mad about um. And then the other part was

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just because of chronological episodic storytelling,which is I mean, the MCU was
basically big budget TV rights formula.So there's just going to follow a formula.
It's got to follow a formula,and it has a checklist. We
all knew what the endgame checklist wasgoing to be, okay, whether you
whether you knew it consciously or not, right, it was. It was

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there, right, and so Iunderstand that. I was very much like,
Okay, well they're going to dothis, this and this. I
hope they do this, this andthis right, but we'll see yeah,
and some of it, some ofmy expectations were met, and some weren't,
and some were subverted. And therewas a couple times when I was
just like, I don't know wherethey're gonna go from here. I don't
know how they're going to get outof this one. Okay. Interesting,

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Like I literally thought, I don'tknow they're going to get out of this
one. Okay, Yeah I hadHonestly, I had no I had no
like preconceived ideas of how they weregoing to go about it. Really cool,
yeah, okay, yeah, Sowalking out of the theater, what
did you think? I think Ineed to see it again. Me too.

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I think I was not as jazzedas I was after Infinity War.
And I don't know whether that's becauseof my personality of like the type of
ending the Infinity War was so shockingand there was so much finality to Endgame.

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But I was not as jazzed comingout of Endgame as much as I
was Infinity War. Infinity War Iwas like seeing any MC used praises,
whereas Endgame I was a little like, did I like that? I liked
that moment? I liked that moment, But did I like that? And
I think a lot of it willget into it probably has to do with

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the structure of just what it wasand who they focused on in this one
versus Infinity War. I think that'sall I can say for right now.
Yeah, I mean, we're gonnaget into spoiler territory early on this review
because you have to. You haveto spoil this in order to talk about
it, because anything you talk aboutis a spoiler with this movie exactly.

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That's why I was so surprised wedidn't get spoiled after a week. I
know, it's shocking. I wasthe same way. Okay, when I
exited the theater, I was like, that was good, not great,
but good entertaining mmm, but notone of the best. Mmm. Well
maybe not maybe one of the best, definitely better ones, but not the

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best. Right Because when I walked, like like you, when I walked
out of Infinity War, I waslike, that was amazing movie, best
TMCU film ever made, my favoritemc ever made. This Infinity War made
me stop saying I'm not really muchof a Marvel guy, right, And
I felt the same way I feltthe like it basically made me embrace the

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MCU and I was like, no, I am like, I respect it
and I like the characters, andI have to own that even as a
huge DC fan, Like I ownedit after Infinity War, same story sat
here and that's our family owned it, and that's a hard thing to follow.

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That is a hard act to follow. Yeah, And when I walked
I was just like you. WhenI walked out of End Game, I
was just like, I'm not asjazzed right as I was. But there
was a lot of moments where Ilost my mind. Right, that's high
fault too. There were so manygreat moments in end game. That's the
thing, Like, let's not undersellit, right, there was a lot

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of great things in the End game. But I think that this without spoiling
I think that this goes to thestructure of realistically Infinity War and Endgame are
one story, like we are tellingwe're continuing on right, and we have
to finish the story. So itfeels very episodic, almost television like.

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And we were kind of we brieflybriefly said something. I said something to
you and you were like, oh, like the breaking bad effect, which
we can explain, we can explanon it later. But it kind of
feels like, Okay, we haveall this excitement, excitement, excitement,
we only can go down from here, right, So then what like not

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that there's not cool moments, butthat that feeling of excitement, that rush
that Gus Fring you know, deathkind of moment. Thats area passed.
So now we have to deal withthe rest, right right, right,
we have to get that checklist exactly. Okay, okay, let's get we
have to get into spoil now wehave to spoil. Okay, everybody,

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we're getting in the spoiler territory.You have been warned. That's right,
spoiler spoils, spoiless spoiler, we'regetting in there. Uh okay, So
yes, the Breaking Bad effect,Yes, I thought you said that.
I said that. I think Isaid I don't remember. We were talking
whatever, we Yeah, we werejust jelling. We were just jelling.

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So the climax of Breaking Bad isnot the last episode. No, the
climax is asimendious, right, whichis the second to last episode. Yeah,
and then you have the Daniuma andeverything like that, the falling action,
right, you don't have the Yeah, and boy was there allowed to
daniuma in this film? Right?And that's the thing. But that's great

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television storytelling, exactly, is thatyou don't leave, you don't put your
climax in the last episode if youhave a huge arc exactly, and we
do, and we do like theMCU is a huge arc. That's twenty
one films. And in Breaking Badyou had five seasons early six of storytelling
that was one story from beginning toend with a huge arc. And so

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Vince Gilligan was smart enough to knowthat in that kind of storytelling, you
need room to breathe, you needroom to fall and to exhale and to
have your falling action, have yourdaniuma. And so that's why the climax
is in Azimandius, not in thelast episode. That's and you were as
stute enough to realize that that's thestory here. The climax is an Infinity

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War. It is I mean,it just is like you can't really argue
it that that's part of this story, so you have to acknowledge it.
It's harder, it's faster, it'sstronger, it's it's more in your face,
it's tighter. And I think,like that's what I said before,
who they followed in Infinity War,like specifically the Guardians of the Galaxy.

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That was like a release, arelief to the rest of the storytelling that
became very serious, very fast.So I felt, I really felt like
an absence of those characters and Iknow that we had rocket like, I
get it okay, but and likeyou know, they kind of brought an
aunt man too, like add thatcomic relief. But we still were in

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this serious situation after the climax,so we were still feeling it. Um.
I just liked the story structure ofInfinity More. We're more are.
The structure for me of endgame wasprobably its biggest failing yes for me personal
to me personally, yeah, isthat I did not jive with the structure.

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It felt very much all over theplace. It felt uneven. I
felt like we couldn't get a goodpace. There was no rhythm. Now
I hear people screaming and saying,well, that's because we were time traveling,
right, and we had to likefind the different Infinity Stones, like
I hear you, but that stilldoesn't I understand them completing their mission.

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But from a story standpoint and froma movie standpoint, as an audience member
watching it was jarring. And that'sone of those things where you're just like
check a box, check a box, got the stone, got the stone,
got the stone, got the stonecorrect, And that's where we started
checking boxes to move the story along. I felt like the Russo Brothers didn't

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spend They didn't spend forever traveling throughtime. They spent a good chunk,
but they didn't it's been forever doingit. But that's one way that you
could tell, let's get this done, yes, and then move on.
Yes. Yes. I even feltlike a lot of the ways that they
did get the stones. I mean, I understand that you have a limited
amount of time, and the factis is that we spent so many movies

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with finding those Infinity Stones, rightand like making them known, and then
now we have to like find allof them in the past in one movie.
But that that just that story itselflends itself to messiness, Like it
was just very hard for like Ielect the idea of them going back in

(23:37):
time, like there was a lotof fun, like little that's what got
spoiled from moments Oh really Yeah,because someone saw Aunt Man and Captain America,
but Captain America from his original Avenger'soutfit, and I was like,
oh, they're probably going to travelthrough time. Oh yeah yeah. But
still, I mean that's like justseeing that one image does make you realize

(23:59):
idly, like what they're going todo, right, yeah, right,
And Okay, well, aunt mancan use this, so that has to
work. You know, I totallyinterrupted you though, No, No,
it's just, um, I likedcertain moments, like story wise of them
going back in time, Like therewere certain like fun moments going back,
but at the same time it feltso rushed. Yeah, and I don't

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know how, Like I don't havea solution for that. My solution is
just like that section, right therecould have been the whole movie, like
the time travel section. I'm notsaying it should have been, no,
because then no, that's a horribleidea. I'm not saying it should have
been. I'm saying it could havebeen. They could have structured that the
way to let it breathe. Theyshould have either expanded it or shortened it.

(24:42):
I think it should have been evenfaster where it spend some time with
the soulstone, okay, because that'swhere you're drum, but that's where your
emotion is, right, Um,with Hawkeye and Black Widow and but with
I think they spent a pro youramount of time with a timestone, but
all the other ones I think neededto be much faster, like boom boom,

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okay, got in, got out, got in got out like a
oh, you know, like Nebula, Like like keep the same amount of
time with the Nebula because that wasreally interesting. Yeah, that was interesting.
Find a way to get Tony Starkto have that resolution with his father,
because I think that's important for hisarc, Like keep those key moments
to spend some time, but allthe all the rest can just be bing

(25:25):
bang boom in out, got itdone. It's kind of like the like
to talk about Back to the Futureagain, but it's kind of like the
end of Back to the Future too, when he's going back in time to
see himself, going back in timeto fix things right right, Like you
don't spend a lot of time doingit. You just get in and get
out and do it. You getthe idea, you're like, okay,
got it done, exactly back tothe chase. That's what I think that
should have done. So that wayit's one segment instead of a drawn out

(25:48):
segment that still feels rush. Yeah. I mean I thought it was really
interesting that they were going back intime, Like I liked that idea,
but like you said, I dofeel like it should have been and spend
the time where you need to andthen move on Um. I really did
find the Nebula stuff fascinating, wherelike I just maybe you saw it coming,

(26:08):
but I did not see it coming. Where fans like basically watched the
whole recording of what had happened.Like, I thought that was really interesting.
I like that they were linked becauseshe is the most cybernetic person right
out of everyone, so like herbrain works on her frequency. I thought
that was really smart. Yeah.I when they threw like, of course

(26:30):
we knew that there was going tobe monkey wrenches thrown into the machine,
of course, but I really likedhow they did it because there were certain
things I didn't see coming, andlike I'm I was just like the Nebula
thing, I was like, ohwow, that's really smart. That makes
sense. Yeah, And I likeThanos going back in time, like going

(26:52):
into the future. Yeah, Ilove that idea. Yeah, like he
didn't have to go through all themess of like finding the stone, like
he just I know where they allare, like they're going to be in
the future. Yeah. I likein the future that I've already won,
so I can do even more exactlyfriggin smart. Yeah, bold, Absolutely,
I love it. And there wasthere was some other things that I'm
kind of blanking on right now,But like there was there was just a

(27:15):
few times when things went wrong wherethey needed to go wrong because it would
have been too easy. I thoughtit was so I don't know if this
is this was probably one of thosethings that they didn't need to have happened.
But I did think that it wasinteresting, the whole thing with Loki
disappearing with the um infinities. Yeah, yeah, yeah, so do you
okay, I want to ask youabout that. Do you think because he

(27:37):
disappeared with it in that reality,correct, but then Cap goes back in
time to fix all those realities.Yeah, so there's no tangent universes because
we all learned about that with DarnnieDarko. Um, do you think that
opens up a literal and figurative doorfor Loki to come back? Yeah,
because he's a fan favorite. Speakingof which, what did you think about

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how they brought Gomore back. Iwasn't a huge fan because I really love
her character and I do like herwith quill Um, but I think that
it was kind of like the onlyway they could because you can't fix everything.
So I kind of did respect thefact that they didn't fix Loki coming

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back. They did. They didn'tfix Gomore Like Gomore I had to die,
Black Widow had to die for thisall to go, Like you can't
fix things that created the soul stone. So I respected that because I feel
like it would have been very easyfor them to be like, nope,
we fixed it all fantastic. Yeah, that's one thing I really liked about

(28:45):
the movie. Yes, that's onething I really respected is that at the
very end, it's not like allof this never happened, right, right,
because again, story structure wise,we've seen that story Sony time.
No star Trek is like friddled withhim, right, And even the fact
that, like Peter Parker says,like, no, I remember disappearing and

(29:08):
then we all came back and wewere like, oh no, we have
to get there. You know.I thought it was like, no,
they knew they were gone, likethey died, and they knew they died
like that was okay. And Ifeel like a lot of movies, especially
superhero films, wouldn't allow that kindof like self awareness, right, and

(29:32):
think about like this is gonna makeSpider Man Far from Home way more interesting?
Yeah, because he like he gotdusted and he was removed from time
for five years. That means theworld around him grew up for five years.
Many of his classmates are going tobe five years older than him.
Oh, I didn't think about thatat all, and so I have a

(29:53):
I have a strong feeling that someof the main cast and Homecoming was going
to be usted too, so thatthey're not going to be five years older.
Because we saw his best friend anend game and he was the same
age, right, and so theywere better They better explain that otherwise it
doesn't make sense. Yeah, Ithink that's a good point. And that's
the thing is that, like froma universe standpoint, this adds so many

(30:17):
complications because we saw that man atthe beginning who was in a support group
led by Cap and he says he'slike, yeah, I went on a
date. Um, I went ona date with a guy and we ended
up just talking about nothing, andwe ended up talking about this. Well,
that sounds like he's trying to moveon from somebody. Well, that
person's going to come back, right, how many people have moved on?
How many people got remarried? Yeah? Seriously, Like okay, well who's

(30:41):
around and who can I be withYeah, that's a really good point.
That's a really good point. Ididn't even think about it and childhood friends
being five years older than you oryou know, like wives coming back,
husband's coming back. Yeah, youknow it's it's going to be really interesting
messy and it's messy. It's messy, and that's the beauty of it is
that this was messy in a goodway. And Stark even told Hulk like

(31:06):
before he snapped, He's like,listen, just bring everybody back. Don't
try to make sure, make itso it's not like it happened. Just
bring everybody back today. Rights itright? Absolutely? Yeah, Like they
don't need that time back. Wejust need to get them back. And
I respected that because, again,from a story standpoint, I feel like
we've seen it so many times whereit's like, nope, now we're back

(31:29):
and nothing happened, and yeah,party, and it doesn't like there's so
many times when people feel like whenyou hit the reset button, it makes
the previous journey meaningless. I don'talways feel that way because we viewed the
movie and we were entertained, orweew the episode and we're entertained, But
this doesn't erase Infinity War exactly.It's very true. This just adds to

(31:52):
it. Yeah, which, again, that's really good. I don't know
if I don't, I don't necessarilyagree with you one hundred percent. When
you said that this was Infinite Warpart two or like a continuation, you
didn't say that exactly. No,I didn't say it exactly. I feel
like Infinity War is a complete story. I feel like, well, yeah,

(32:12):
they lost, they lost, theyhad a beginning, middle, and
end. It's a complete story.Infinity War, Boom one, complete movie,
Fino's one in game adds to thestory. It doesn't complete it.
It adds to the story. ButI will argue that you need Infinity War
for endgame to exist. That's true. Yes, you need Infinity War to

(32:34):
in order for endgame to exist.And there is a continuation that I mean,
there is, it builds upon it. But it doesn't feel like a
part two to me. It justfeels like a natural progression. The reason,
the reason why I'm trying to makethat distinction is because a lot of
people have said that Infinity War feltincomplete and that and that it was lacking.
I disagree with that one. Yeah, and but the thing but You're

(32:57):
right though, because it's like Avengersum Age of Ultron is it like it
takes place after the first Avengers,but it's not one story. And Infinity
War takes place after Age of Vultron, but it's not one story with this
one. You're right, there's adirect relation. There's a direct build.
You can't enjoy in game without seeingInfinity Wart. But that's That's all that

(33:21):
I'm trying to say is that theydidn't feel like a part two to me.
It just felt like the next storyin the same way that like Dune,
Messiah is not part two of Dune. It's just a continuation of the
story. Okay, there might bemincing words here, but maybe okay,
we might be mincing words. Okay, we're on the same page, but
in different ways. And also,like, one thing that I've noticed is

(33:43):
that people who hated Infinity War lovedend Game. Really. Yeah, that's
interesting, And we absolutely loved InfinityWar and just thought End Game was good
not great. Yeah, I meanagain, like I feel like I I
would need to see it again toreally give it a fair shake, but

(34:05):
just based on my feelings walking outof the theater for each of them,
and rewatching Infinity War several times.I just really did not get the same
feeling even with us, you know, the win at the end of endgame.
I just I just really think thatit does not compare in my mind

(34:28):
to Infinity War. I'm not ajazz So what were some of your before
we like kind of go into somemore things that we didn't like or criticisms,
Like, what were some things thatyou really we were jazzed about?
Um? Well, I was reallyjazzed. I don't want to go right
for the most amazing thing, butum I was really jazzed about. Okay,

(34:52):
let's just go to the most importantthing. When got the hammer,
I clapped because and I was theonly one with you. No, no,
like we didn't just we didn't clap, baby, like we held each
other. We did. We grabbedeach other's arms, held each other close,

(35:14):
and threw our hands in the air. Yes, it was beautiful,
Like that could be the single bestmoment in the MCU. Yeah, even
like even yes, like a momentthat's you. Even though we liked Infinity
War, that moment is better thanany one Infinity War. Yeah, like

(35:35):
him wielding the hammer, I meanthat was beautiful and because it was beautiful
when Thos was like when when Thanosis holding Thor down and you see that
he has storm Breaker, and thenall of a sudden you start to hear
mule Nor. Yeah, and thenyou see muel Nor. Yeah, they

(35:58):
get like they're teasing the Yeah.So I was like, you know what's
coming. Yes, it's going tocome, and it's going to be great.
Yeah, and like both, that'swhen you and I like just grabbed
each other. It's happening. It'shappening. It's finally happening. Yeah,
exactly, and then we see himin all his I'm getting chills. I'm
talking about it. I am too. Oh my gosh, that it was.
It was it was beautiful. Thatwas amazing. Yeah, that was

(36:21):
perfect and they earned it, ohyeah. But and they held out to
use that moment until the perfect momentas well. Um. And then like
seeing Thor and Cap like both usinglike you know that and the hammer and
the shield and the shield, Iwas like that, I mean, seriously,
how could you nerd out any harder? Like it felt like they took

(36:44):
the moment in Civil War when Buckyyeah, Cap were fighting against Iron Man
and you had that great trio,but yet they amped it up to a
thousand. Oh gosh, yeah,for sure, for sure. Another moment
that I really loved was when youall we knew that Captain Marvel was coming
from the sky because of her smashinginto the spaceship, but just her entrance

(37:08):
was pretty pretty kick ass. Andthen when like she gets kind of beat
and all the girls like surround her. I know it's kind of corny,
but I got misty because it wasjust cool to see like all those female
characters. And again, I feltlike it was earned, Like if you're
going to choose a moment to dosomething like that, like that's your moment.

(37:31):
So I liked that moment too.I knew you liked that moment.
I liked it too. At thesame time, I was just like it
felt cheesy because like it was,but you know, they were making it
very obvious they were, but atthe same time, like, would you
think anything else if, like,like all the other male superheroes were like

(37:53):
hanging out together. That's the thingis that I asked myself that same question,
because it felt like while it wasobvious, they earned it. It
was a great moment and they wereself aware, like yeah, they were
self aware and they were they weretelling you, listen, we know what's
happening. You know what's happening.You know, we know what's happening.
We know you know, we knowwhat's happening. It's happening. Enjoy it.

(38:15):
Yeah, and I think again likeI did. Enjoy it, Yeah,
I did. And it was justlike again, like seeing them all
together, because I mean that wasa lot of people to look at.
Seeing that all the female like strongfemale characters together, it was like thank
you yeah, yeah, yes,yeah, speaking of all the characters,

(38:36):
what did you think about when theyall came out and because this is a
moment I liked when they all cameout to help Cap. When that was
the moment, like when Cap tightenedhis shield his shield was broken in half,
Yeah, and he tightened his shield. We saw it in the trailer.
Yeah, He's just like He's like, let's do this. That's the

(38:57):
moment when I said, I waslike, I don't know they're gonna get
out of this. Seriously, likeI literally thought, I don't know how.
I mean, you see the imageof him on a hill and then
like a sea of Fanos's army,Like just as far as you can possibly
see it's just him. Because Iwas so wrapped up in what was going
on, I forgot about the realitythat we're in now, even though they

(39:19):
told us, they told us everybody'sback. Yeah, Like I got a
call from his wife. Everybody's back, right, and you forget about all
the armies that they haven't you know, in that moment, they totally threw
us right into the action. Sowe completely forgot right. So we get
the phone call and then Fanos comesright in, so you're just like,

(39:39):
how are they going to solve it? And then which again I think was
really great because it's very very welldone. It was because the moment you
see the circles, you were like, yeah, but one circle first,
very true, very true. Yeah, And it was a Koyer yes,
yes, sure, yeah and tchayeah. And they show their people well

(40:00):
for the first people to come out, absolutely because yeah, it's just when
I saw that it was the BlackPanther Crew, I was just like,
I'm getting chills again. I know, I'm started to get a little missy.
I'm just like oh yeah yeah,and again like I think you know,
they had the as Guardians coming outand val yeah, which was beautiful.

(40:22):
And um, it's almost like youwere like, oh yeah, they
can help Oh yeah, they canhelp it, which you know, you're
just as a nerder's like yeah there'smore, okay, yeah, keep them
coming, bring exactly exactly yeah,which but again, like if you're going
to do it in any movie,this is the movie to do it.

(40:42):
And they did it well. Likewas it crazy, Yes, was it
insane that all of them were thereat the same time. Absolutely, But
we're fighting for the existence of theuniverse here yea, so yes, they're
gonna all be there. This isyour chip and you waited to play it
and there you go. Didn't bringthis out in Avengers, you didn't bring
it out in Age of Vulton,you didn't even bring it out in Infinity

(41:04):
War exactly. Brought it out anEndgame and that was the right place to
do it. Absolutely the patience forthe Russo brothers and they earned it.
Yeah. And that's the thing isthat, like so many things an Endgame
was that even though some of thestructure I didn't like, some of the
choices I didn't like, the thingsthat I that I did like, and
the things that were I think lovedthey earned it. Yes, Yeah,

(41:24):
it was. I mean, itwas a victory lap of everything we've seen,
right, So I totally loved itthat part especially. I did not
really one hundred percent connect with themovie until Thanos came to the future.
Really yeah, huh, Okay,I was surprised. I was surprised myself

(41:47):
because, like, as I waswatching it, I was like, oh,
man, I'm not I'm not inyet. I'm not in. Okay.
But with Infinity War, when themall came to Earth, yeah,
and Tony Stark and Doctor Strange startedfighting together. Yeah, that's when I

(42:07):
was in Okay, Okay, that'sthat's it was early on. Yeah,
that's very early on. And Iwas always really surprised that they did not
grab me. Now, a lotof cool things happened. I enjoyed a
lot of the movie before that moment, but I wasn't sold until you hear
you. Yeah, I think Iwas. I don't know if I could
stay sold or not. But Iwas very intrigued with them all. Like

(42:30):
when all of them had their differentassignments to go into the different areas of
the future and they were all standingin the circle, I was like,
this is cool. I'm here,Like I think the future, but like
going through time yeah, sorry,in time. Yeah, not the future,
but going back in time and tryingto fix and get all the Infinity
Stones. I was like, okay, I'm in like I was. I
was intrigued by that. So Ithink that's where I was in. I

(42:52):
think, what did you think aboutBlack Widow dying? I was surprised because
that was not the one that Ithought would die. I um, but
I was okay with it. Iwas is that terrible? No, because
I've never really like, I've nevera one hundred percent connected with that character.
I really love I loved her inWinter Soldier. I thought she was

(43:15):
so Yeah, she was good.That's really the only time. Well she
was really able to flex in thatone. Yeah, And I feel like
all the other ones she kind ofgets buried, right, There's so many
people and they don't really focus thatmuch time on her. She was wasted
in the Age of Ultron. AndI mean I liked her in Civil War,
but she really shined in and WinterSoldier. And I like Scarlett Johanson

(43:39):
as an actress. Yeah, thisis I like her as the character.
Yeah, like I don't. Thisis not a this is not a comment
on the actress whatsoever. This isjust a comment on the character. When
she died and she shows the rightmoment to pee. Um. I came
back right before she died. Iwas just like, oh, they're killing
her off. Oh man, Ididn't expect that. Huh, do you
want some popcorn? You know?Like it's it's that's kind of how it

(44:00):
went down. Well, they couldn'tkill Hawkeye because really no one cares so
and they really family. He's afamily man. Yeah, but they gave
him a family so we'd care exactly. So it was like even in the
end, like they were like focusinga lot on like him and his family,
and I'm like, no one caresabout I mean and I we have

(44:21):
a family. I love families.But guess what, I didn't care about
Hawkeye. So I didn't care.Okay, it just didn't. Is that
harsh? It's so hard. Ithink it's a little harsh because like they
were like, please have an emotionalconnection to him, Please have an emotional
connection they like three times or likeforcing one down my throat, and I

(44:43):
was like, no, the moreI watched the MCU, the more I'm
okay with Hawkeye. He's fine.It's just like I don't need any time
with him. Oh gosh, Ithought we spent an approgram amount of time
with Hawkeye. I don't think weoverdid it. It was fine, moving,
it's fine, it's fine, It'sit's fine, It's it's fine,
it's fine. So um, everybodyand their mom knew that Tony was going

(45:08):
to die, yes, especially sincethey gave him a daughter. And then
I'm like, well, now thathis life is perfect with everyone dusted,
uh, yeah, he's gonna die. Like he's living out in the in
the woods. Yeah, he's liketeaching his kid and loving, yeah,

(45:28):
loving Pots and it's like nope,nope, we're gonna take all that away.
He's been training Pots as a replacementIron Yeoman, Yeah, iron Woman.
And then it's like, nope,we're gonna take all that away.
And he knew it. He knewit when he's you know, when he
decided that he was going to help. But it's just one of those things
where like when he when the kidsays like I love you three thousand,
Well, now your dad's said youjust killed your dad. You just killed

(45:52):
your father. Apparently that's something thatRobert Downey Jr's own kid, and so
he brought it to the script that'sa door. But yeah, you're right.
I was just like, oh,man, like like actually went like
I knew that he was gonna diein Infinity War when he said he's like,
I dreamed we had a kid.I was like, yeah, when
you have a kid, do youjust killed herself? It's you're gonna sacrifice.

(46:15):
I really appreciated that when he wentto the Avenger's facility in Upstate that
he said, he's like, he'slike, I want to go I want
to get back what we lost,but I want to keep what we have.
Yeah, that was his mission statement, and that's what he did.
He achieved that, and that's veryimportant because I've read time travel novels where
um, people have had families andthey go back in time and then boop,

(46:36):
they don't have their family anymore,right right exactly? But yeah,
oh yeah no, And I likeit was and I think even him saying
that, I was like, Okay, I think that's gonna work. Like
I don't think they're going to addthat as another element, like he would
die before they would take away thedaughter element. And so I was like,
Okay, well we know what she'sgonna die. He's gonna die.

(46:58):
And also with aunt Man's daughter nowbeing five years older than she should be,
we're now that much closer to aTrio movie of her donning another persona
or Okay, I think that's probablyLike I when I saw that, it
was just like, oh, she'sgoing to be in the third movie,
like probably could be ant Man andthe Wasp and so and so a B

(47:20):
and a bee. I like that. Yeah, yeah, okay, okay,
Auntie, Um no, I Ithink it was appropriate for Tony to
die. He needs especially since hestarted it, and it just made sense
right, like someone had to besacrificed, like someone important how to be

(47:40):
sacrificed. I thought they were goingto kill off way more than they did,
me too, way more me too. But you know, when I
thought about that, I was like, but they've already taken We've already gone
through the emotional toil of losing alot of characters. So the idea of
them killing off like more than morethan a more than two it felt a

(48:06):
little excessive for the cause. Sojust from a story standpoint, I was
like, I think it's only goingto be Like I was surprised though with
Black Widow, I didn't think itwas going to be like The Wild Bunch
where everybody got killed off, butyou hoped. No, No, I
mean no, I think it wouldhave. It would have been a bold

(48:30):
move to get fresh blood in there. Yeah, so that we have Peter
Parker, we have T'Challa, andwe that's that's pretty much it, like
like, and of course we haveFalcon movie before. I don't think he
can handle a franchise on his own. Though I don't know, like I
don't necessarily see it. I respectedthe idea of it. I just don't

(48:53):
know. I don't know. Whatdid you think about Captain Like we'll get
to Captain America stuck in his story, all right, but what did you
think about Captain America passing on thetorch to Falcon and not Bucky. I
feel like Bucky has too much passed, like too much drama. He has

(49:15):
too much drama, talking has nodrama exactly. So I felt like Bucky
would be such an odd choice forCaptain America. We're like a batman.
Yeah, he's too like mysterious andlike got to me like you sent him
auch drama, whereas Falcon like he'sbeen consistent, and you know, it

(49:36):
was cool the idea of him beinga minority like as our Captain America.
Like I was like, that's fantastic, and I think about that. Yeah.
I was just like, yeah,like, I let's do that.
Um, because they both held amantle in the comics. Okay, both
Bucky and Falcon have been Captain Americabefore. Oh I didn't know that.
Yeah, okay, interesting. Ithink they made the right decision. That's

(50:00):
interesting. I like that. Take. My only regret is that Falcon is
not a super soldier. I likethat Bucky was a super soldier, was
a super soldier just like just likeSteve Rogers and Falcon just have wings because
if you take it away the wings, he's just a dude. Yeah yeah,
but I think again, Captain Americais more than just a super soldier.

(50:22):
He also has to like have pureof heart to be the idealist.
Yeah. Yeah, yeah, you'reright. So I'm okay with it.
Let's talk about Captain America. Okay, so I asked America's asked. I
did not like that. I thoughtit was too cheesy. I thought it
was I could have sworn he wasgoing to look at the lens and wink

(50:43):
to the audience because it was feltlike way too much inside baseball. Um,
it took me out of it,Okay, all right, I thought
it was funny. Maybe I'm notin the inside baseball, but I thought
he was going to die, helike I thought Tony Stark. I thought
I knew Tony Stark was gonna die. And I thought maybe Captain America.

(51:05):
I was like the original three Thor, Captain America, and Tony Stark.
I knew it was among the threeof them, but I thought Thor had
too much juice, Yeah, tobe left. I think they're going to
get another movie out of him.Maybe he works out, like well,
once he works out, and we'lltalk about that in a second. Um,
but I like a new Iron Man, maybe Captain America, not Thor.
But with Captain America, they didn'tkill him, but they took him

(51:28):
out of the game, yes,And I was okay with that as well,
Like I really enjoy Captain America,especially like the Winter Soldier and Civil
War especialist with the Civil War.But I think, like I knew they
weren't going to kill him because theygave Tony too much emotional stuff to deal

(51:50):
with like having a kid, andwe've already kind of dealt with the emotions
of Captain America, like losing thelove of his life and everything like that.
So the fact that they gave thatback to him, or he got
it back right he by like goingthrough time. I was okay with it.
And like the fact that he gothe got to like do all this

(52:14):
stuff for the world and then gotto go back in time and actually live
his life. I was totally finewith it. I Yeah, Like when
when they didn't kill him off,I was like, come on, man,
like, we we gotta move on. We got to move on from
Captain America being Steve Rogers. Ilove Captain America. I love Steve Rogers.

(52:34):
But it's time, guys, It'stime. And so I was a
little frustrated for about five minutes,Okay, all right, And then when
I saw him on the bench,I was like, okay, made you
really happy. Yeah, Like whenI saw the back of his head on
the bench, I knew exactly whatthey did, okay, And I was
like, you are smarter than me, which is so good, which is
so great. I love feeling thatway, absolutely. I love feeling that

(52:58):
way because I never thought of that. I'm sure there's people out there it's
like, oh, it's not coming, But I will admit I didn't say
that coming. I loved it waymore than killing him off. Yeah,
yeah, it way more. Ifelt like taking those people out of the
game in each in a different way. I think it was really smart.
Here's the thing, though, Ineed to read up on this, or
we need to rewatch the movies.I could have sworn that Peggy got married.

(53:24):
I think she did too, butwe didn't know too much or anything
about the husband. So are theytrying to say that maybe that was that
the husband, the unknown husband wasreally Steve Rogers, but like maybe he
wouldn't buy another name because like hecouldn't go by Steve Rogers. Right,
Well, that'd be pretty cool,right if it's like full circle like that.

(53:46):
So like he was meant to goback in time and be Carter's husband,
and so when he was at herfuneral, like maybe he that was
like him seeing it double, Likehow does that work? Oh wait,
yeah, like he would have beenat her like old Steve Rogers would have

(54:07):
been at his at Carter's funeral.Yeah, I wonder if they snuck him
in there, but yeah, hewould have been there, like we need
to rewatch the Captain America movies orjust read an article. But yeah,
I think because yeah, he couldhave met himself. But I think Steve
old Steve Rogers would have been smartenough to stay out of history's way.

(54:31):
Yes, because like he would haveknown what would have happened. He wouldn't
have he would have involved himself inany of the Avengers stuff. Clearly that
he's already done that. He knowsthat they work, he knows that it
works out. He's too old todo anything anyway, right, And and
so I think I think it wasvery smartly done. Like I again,
I need to go back and watchsome stuff to see it. But maybe
that's the angle they took, isthat he was to be her husband.

(54:53):
Yes, let's say yes because Ilike that. I do because I don't
want him to be like like putsome dude to side or yeah, because
that's changing history yea, And thatdoes not feel like Captain America. And
it may also makes you wonder didhe know that he was meant to go
back in time? And that's tripbecause I mean clearly like when he found

(55:16):
her, like I can't remember whenit was if it was Winter Soldier.
I think it was Winter Soldier wherewe see her sick in bed, old
and sick in bed, like hewould have talked to her about those things,
or like talk to other people orresearched her life or see what happened.
Yeah, but like I think ithas to do with like time,
right, so like that hadn't happenedyet or had it like but yeah.

(55:42):
That's the thing though, is thatyou can't he can't go back in time
and change anything, because then thatcreates an alternate reality. That's very true.
I can't answer that question. Andthat's when time with mechanics just kind
of go yeah, and I lovethat when the when when both Hulk and
Nebular are just like, that's nothow it works. It works, and
Roddy is just like a roadie.It's just like uh, Star Trek,

(56:05):
back to the Future, doctor whoknows right, Yeah, like all these
different ones. It's so funny.Have you guys never seen a movie?
Yeah, Like that's that's their frameof reference. Is all these time travel
movies perfect? Perfect in television shows. Let's talk about thor Okay, wasted.
I did not like what they didto Thor it was disrespectful. It

(56:25):
was it was disrespectful to his character. Yeah, it was disrespectful to his
arc. Yeah, and it kindof like took away the coolness of ragnar
Iak if you really, like,like I loved Ragnarak and then you have
him in this state and like hewas ready to like take up you know,

(56:46):
be king in Ragnarak and then youlike avoid all that, like you
don't take that away from that character. Yeah, I just even I don't
know, it just felt it feltdisrespectful. If you want to make him
a fat drunk for those five years, fine, but get him out of

(57:07):
it, like let him have thosesadder moments. Lit him instead of being
the butt of the joke, likelit him wallow and in his self pity
in a much more realistic, notfunny big Lebowski way. Yeah, because
that was I mean they even saidthat. They even said they made that

(57:27):
point, like they made a pointof adding that because that's clearly how it
was influenced, and it felt off. It felt wrong. Yeah. I
was not a fan at all.And even him like giving up his crown,
like he wouldn't have done that.Yeah, that was to give that
to Valkyrie and she's just like okay, shook his hand, Like what was

(57:50):
that? Like, so you're creatinga new dynasty? Yeah, Like how
does that work? Is that?Is that what Odin would have wanted?
Right? And like does she evenhave that kind of power to do the
Like this just doesn't make sense.I don't know, Like he just wants
to go hang out now, Likeis that his plan? Like what's the
deal? And how do you feelabout him being a part of the Guardians
of the Galaxy. It doesn't fit. It doesn't fit like you put I'm

(58:14):
sorry, just from a standpoint oflike you put those two actors together,
Chris Pratt and Chris Hensburg together,it just like it was. It was
funny and Infinity War for a fewminutes because you had one scene exactly.
But it doesn't work for it woulddo. I don't want to see Chris

(58:34):
Hemsworth as a main character in Guardiansof Galaxy three. I really don't want
to see that. Takeaway Gamra andthen you add you add Thor, Like
it doesn't work. It's just soweird. And it's just like I know
that Thor Ragnarok kind of worked offof the Guardians of the Galaxy template,
Yes, like it got funnier thanthe previous ones, you know, like

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it was yes, tycho whitest kindof you know, leaned into the James
Gunn school of directing. Absolutely,but it was his own thing. Yeah,
and so I get that. Butthat doesn't mean that they're gonna mesh.
No, it's just it's just weird, just from a standpoint of like
who they are versus who Thor is. It doesn't work. And also like

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when we get to the final battlewith Thanos and thor is there, like
and he's all decked out, likehis beard gets all like wrapped up and
stylized everything like that, because lightningcan do that. I didn't feel like
he got to that moment. Idon't feel like he earned that moment.
There was no change, there wasno redemption, there was no point of

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decision, there was no point ofno return. He didn't say, Okay,
I'm going to buck up and dothis. I was that the moment
with his mom, Like, wasthat what that was supposed to be Because
it didn't work. It didn't feelthat way. I felt like he just
got a pat on the head fromhis mom, Like I liked that moment,
but it's fine. It wasn't Butit didn't like make me feel like
he completely changed his ways. Yeah, I didn't feel like he's like,

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Okay, I'm going to go backto the present day and I'm going to
make this thing's right. I didn'tfeel like we got to see him make
that decision. If he made thatdecision, if he had more of those
those sadder moments like with his momduring the movie, then that final battle
would have been earned and would havefelt better. Absolutely, But it feels

(01:00:28):
like they It almost feels like likewhy didn't you do that? Like,
but they just kind of leaned intothe comedy angle of him just being like
drunk and fat. Yeah, andthere were other ways that you could have
added comedic effect to it. Thatwas probably like that was my least favorite
thing about Yeah, it felt itfelt shoehorned in for no reason. Yeah,
we could have done without it,because if you're not going to service

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your character, well, then juststop featuring him so hard. I would
have been pissed if I was ChrisHemsworth, honestly, Like I'd be pissed.
I'd be like, I have areally cool character who have established for
many movies and this is the end, and this is what you're doing with
him. Like like there was alot of actors out there who were very

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protective of their characters. And Ifeel like Robert Downey Junior has enough juice
to to say, no, we'redoing We're doing this, we're doing that,
we're doing this. You'd think thatChris Hemsworth would have that kind of
sway as well, because he's justas old as everybody else. I don't
know, it's really interesting. Ijust because I'm right there with you.
I think you would think that ChrisHemsworth would go and read the script and

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go, what the hell are youdoing? Exactly? Yeah, because it
was unnecessary, Like there was nothing. Him being a drunk did not help
the plot in any way, shapeor flown. And it wasn't funny,
No, it wasn't. It wastrying to be funny, It was trying
real hard. It wasn't funny.Yah, Hulk was weird, it was
odd. It was off putting thathaving him be green the entire time.

(01:01:59):
Yeah, it was unsettling. Andthat's all I really can say about that.
Yeah, I like, I thinkit's fine what he said and what
he did. Yeah, but justhaving them blend the two was just this
we're in an uncanny valley territory,Like it just felt off. Yeah.
I felt so too. I mean, like obviously Infinity where he was underutilized

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very much so, but in thesame respect, at least they gave him
like a point of being underutilized andhe helps in other ways, you know.
But it was just I'm not ahuge Hulk fan, so it's one
of those things where I just don'tYeah, I didn't care that much.
Yeah, I mean I'm with youtoo, Like I'm not the biggest Hulk

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fan. I appreciate him for whathe can bring to the table, but
yeah, I was right there withyou. I was just like I was
like the first scene when they wereat the diner, I was like,
really, this is the director you'regoing in Yeah, okay, yeah,
okay, we'll accept it. Iguess, Captain Marvel. That was probably
one of my biggest disappointments is thatyou just established this awesome character through a

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movie that is influential, and thefirst scene she's like, I have to
go help other planets peace out,like and then I like, I just
like my heart sunk honestly, Iwas just like, oh, she was
a plot device. She was atthe beginning and at the end and at

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the end, that's it. That'sit. Yeah she didn't she didn't add
to the story. No, shecompleted plot. Yeah, that's it.
Which felt so sad, And wewere robbed because we were by giving us
Captain Marvel right before end game.You were telling us this is important,

(01:03:49):
you need to watch this film becauseshe's going to be a big player,
and she wasn't, and she wasabsolutely not. And I'm pissed, Like
seriously, I am pissed because nowI do understand there's kind of that like
aspect of is she too powerful?Like could she? Yeah, she could?
She solve the problem like right away, and then like okay, now

(01:04:11):
we're just fine. So it doesn'tcreate enough drama in the story standpoint.
But at the same time, Ireally do think they could have utilized her.
She could have done something more.They could have done something more with
her, but like the only reasonwhy they needed her. It's almost like
this is going to sound crazy,but I feel like marvels the has the

(01:04:36):
cajone's to do this. I feellike they were writing in game and They're
like, how are we going toget Tonysnabula back? Yes, well,
we could use a character like CaptainMarvel. Well we've never introduced her.
Crap, We're gonna have to writea movie first. It's horrible. Part

(01:04:57):
of me kind of believes that that'shorrible, and then that makes me so
sad. How are we going todestroy the ship at the end, Well,
we could use Captain Marvel again.Damn it, we gotta keep writing
that movie. It's horrible. Thatmakes me so sad, said that out
loud. Think about doctor Strange.I know he was just there for in

(01:05:18):
the game for Infinity War. Iknow, like we I think they wrote
doctor doctor Strange in the movie.We're like, we need him in Infinity
War. We need that timestone.We need the timestone, so let's do
this. And yeah, I thinkI really was hoping that Captain Marvel was
not the Doctor Strange of the lastpart of Phase three. But that's what

(01:05:41):
it was. Well, I stilllike that movie more than Doctor Strange.
Oh my gosh. Yeah, butdoctor Strange. But at the same time,
it did make me very sad becauseI really did feel like they were
promising us to have I thought thatCaptain Marvel was going to save the day,
like honestly, and she didn't.No, she didn't. In fact,

(01:06:03):
like she was struggling And it waseasy though, because I did like
that they had her struggle with Thanosbecause I didn't want her to just take
him out. Well, I agree, but I do think that she should
have Donald wool about more. Ohno, yeah, absolutely, But I
like that when she was struggling withthe Gauntlet, he ripped out the power

(01:06:25):
stone and punched her with it.And that's the only way that he could
have gotten rid of Captain Marvel wasby ripping on a stone and punching her
with it. That's the raw power. Yeah. I thought that was cool.
That was a nice touch because that'sthe only way you could get rid
of her, right right, Yeah, But I just it did feel like
she was just filler. And that'sthe problem. That's the Superman problem.

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It is the Superman problem because sheis basically Superman for Marble. Whenever you
have a Superman character, whenever youhave when you're ever you're watching a Superman
film, whenever somebody's in herl they'refalling from a skyscraper, like gee,
I wonder what's gonna happen. He'sgonna swoop in pick her up saver,
right, and then there you go. Yeah, and it's it becomes predictable.

(01:07:12):
And so I'm not saying that CaptainMarvel was predictable, but I think
that's why they didn't use her thatmuch, because because like we have this
overpowered character. We can't have herthere of time because it's just like the
Avengers effect. Like in Aunt Man, He's like, I think we need
to call the Avengers, like theycould take care of this right away.

(01:07:35):
Like listen, they're busy right,right. And it's true, like you
can't solve all the little problems withthe Avengers, right, But at the
same time, and I think thatyou do write yourself into a corner,
right, And that's and the CaptainMarvel gave that same excuse. So like,
listen, the same thing that's happeningon Earth is happening on every single

(01:07:58):
planet. I got a lot ofground cover, and I'm like that,
hey, that makes sense, seeit does, it does, but it
still is disappointing. Yeah, it'svery disappointing. Yeah, So where would
you rank this? It's really hardto say at this moment. I need
to see it again. I mean, at the moment, I can definitely
tell you that I like Infinity Weremore. Yes, And I think that

(01:08:21):
we've made that pretty clear just froma story standpoint and what characters they focused
on, just because of who wasalive and who wasn't. Um, I
just really enjoyed Infinity War more.Like. I definitely feel like Infinity War
for me, with rewatches of allthe other ones, definitely has become my
favorite in the MCUM. I thinkI've said that that before, but like

(01:08:45):
officially now, I definitely think thatthis would be in my top ten of
the MCU movies, but I can'tsay it would be five. I think
it's in top five for me,is it? Yeah? And again upon
rewatch, like maybe it would becomethat, but at the moment, I

(01:09:09):
really can't necessarily place it other thanin the top ten for me. Like
my top ten right now is Gardensof the Galaxy Volume two is number ten,
then Thor, Ragnarok, then Avengers, then Thor, then Black Panther,
Spider Man, Homecoming, Iron Man, Civil War, Winter Soldier,

(01:09:30):
and then finally Infinity War. Okay, I and that's from the bottom up,
Okay, Yeah, from the bottomup. Okay. When I'm trying
to place Endgame, I'm like,well, it goes above Black Panther.
It doesn't for me, it doesn'tfor you, Like for me, it
goes above Black Panther. You likeBlack Panther more than I did. Yes,
it goes above Black Black Panther.I'm like, but does it go

(01:09:54):
above Homecoming? Because for me HomecomingI was like when I finished. When
I finished home Coming, I wasjust like, man, that was a
lot of fun. That was areally entertaining movie, like my favorite Spider
Man movie. But I'm like,but there are so many great moments in
end Games. So I was like, Okay, well, maybe it goes
above Homecoming. I was like,okay, well that butts it right up
against Iron Man? Is it aboveiron Man? Like? Yeah, but

(01:10:16):
iron Man started at all, youknow, like Iron Man's just a solid
movie from start to finish. Idon't know. I think right now,
maybe it goes above. It goesabove Black Panther in terms of enjoyment and
above Homecoming because it has those holycrap, that was an amazing moment.
Okay moments. So in the topfive for you, in the top five

(01:10:38):
for media, wow, okay,how about you. Well, at the
moment, my number ten, soI'm going from the bottom up again,
would be number ten would be WinterSoldier. At the moment I have Endgame
is number nine okay, and theneight Guardians the first one, Volume one,
then seven Guardians Volume two, andnumber six Captain Marvel, then number

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five, Ragnarok, number four,Civil War, number three, Spider Man
Homecoming, number two Black Panther,and then number one Infinity War. I
that's how I roll. What's yournumber? Eight? Again? Number eight
was Guardians Volume one, in sevenseven was Guardians Valume two, Like I

(01:11:27):
kind of want those together, okay, but I'm going based on like what
if you were to say, likelet's watch them Marvel movie, Like this
is how I'm put picturing it,Like I would rather watch all of those
instead of watching Endgame right now,right now? Really yeah, right now,
No, I would want to watchEndgame. Well, okay, to
get but I'm just saying, likefrom a standpoint of like rewatchability, Okay,
I believe that this is how it'lllay out for me. It's hard

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for me because I try I tryto balance rewatchability. How much I liked
it as well, as moments,cool moments, as well as storytelling.
I try to balance all of thoseon my list because like iron Like,
do I enjoy Iron Man more thanWinter Soldier? Yes, but Winter Soldiers

(01:12:10):
higher on my list because I thinkit's very well crafted and it's just like
Civil War is after Winter Soldier.Even if I think Civil War is a
better movie, but I don't thinkCivil War holds up as well as when
you know, it's just like it'sall these little things that I happen to

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me. I really, I reallywas bothered by the structure of this film,
like honestly, like from a storytellingstandpoint, again, we established there
were some awesome moments, just likeagain some of the coolest moments in all
of them, all of them.Okay, But when you actually sit down

(01:12:53):
and like think about the structure ofthe film and the enjoyment of watching a
structured film like that in like WhoThey Dwelled On, I cannot say that
it would. I can say itbroke my top ten. That's about it.
I have Captain Marvel at eleven.Okay, you didn't like it as
much as that I didn't, andI loved it so, but I also

(01:13:14):
do recognize I feel like you're changingyour tune here because you agree with me
on Captain Marvel. Let me talk. Okay, Okay, here's the thing
is, I understand that it's nota great movie like structure wise, but
I did enjoy it more I thinkright now than Endgame. Like I came
out more jazz from Captain Marvel thanI did from Endgame. I did not

(01:13:36):
at all. That's fine for differentpeople. I'm not arguing with you here.
I'm not saying like you're wrong forenjoying it more. I'm just saying
that, like I know, yeah, like Captain Marvel didn't trip my trigger.
I thought it was fine. Ididn't. I didn't think Endgame was
fine. I thought End Game wasgood. Like that's the difference from me

(01:13:56):
like fine, Like there's okay,fine, good, great, Okay,
in game is Goodfinny War is great. But I really want to I really
want to go Batch back. Ireally want to watch Iron Man again.
Oh yeah, I feel like,well, it's been a long time for
me. It's been a very longtime for me too. I feel like
I owe it to h to TonyStark after what he's done for us.

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You know what he's done to us. Yes, thank you, Tony.
So what rating would you give this? I don't even know what I could
rate it as it's again, Iwould need to see it again at the
moment, I'm going to say athree point five for me, I want
to say three point five as well, but then I feel like, is

(01:14:42):
it am I being a fanboy ifI say four? Because we just like
we rink a lot of things forus. Actually, I think I make
a lot of things. Three pointfive's really yeah, okay, because I'm
I'm I'm taking a look at myletterbox profile right now and I kind of
lean look at my distribution, andI give a lot of things. Three

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and a half. I feel likethat, like like mine is five is
best of the best, four anda half is excellent, four is great,
three and a half is good.Three has liked it, but it
has its issues. Two and ahalf has missed the mark. So like
I could give it a three,I think I don't know. I don't

(01:15:25):
I don't think I can give ita four. Okay. I think I'm
with you. I think I'm withyou, and I'm given a three point
five three point five. Yeah.Nerd Nuptual gives a three point five.
Maybe it'll bump it up if wesee it again. Yeah, absolutely,
Like I really do need to seeMarvel again. I need to see End
Game again. But coming out ofthe theater, that's how I felt.
Yeah, same here. All right, Well, everybody, that was our

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