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Welcome to the nerd party. It'sGully. Yes, marry me. I
love you and I like you.I love you and I like you.
I love that woman. I lovea more than shot love bloody. Hello.
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I'm Tristan Rudel and I'm the girl. And this is nerd Nuptial.
If this is your first time listening, we are a married couple looking at
life through a nerdy lens. Howare you? I'm tired, but good
because today I ran a five kwith a wonder Woman theme. Yes,
a wonder Woman theme. Yeah,I'm so glad that you brought that up,
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because that's what made it even moreawesome than just running a five k
race. I mean, we havea friend, um and she is a
listener of the show. Yeah,she's a big time listener, a big
time supporter. She's actually been ona few like we a long time ago.
We did some video questions like anerdy Question of the day and yeah
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yeah, and she she told meabout this phrase that it was coming and
um, when she saw it,she was like, well, I have
to tell the girl, and um, I was very honored that she thought
of me. And it was awesome. It was so much fun. It
was all about like being strong womanand all the things that Wonder Woman stands
for. So it was super fun. There was tons of people, you
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know, dressed in Wonder Woman garb. Well they gave you a t shirt
that made you look like woman orwoman and stuff like that. A lot
of fun merchandise, a lot ofa lot of blue pants and red tops
and bracelets and tiaras whatever you wantto call that. Yeah, not a
tiara would kind of I guess itwould be a cold version of that,
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something like that. Yeah, acrown woman's yeah, Wonder Woman's thing on
her head. Yeah. Yeah,it was a Yeah, it was a
lot of fun to see all thosepeople so writening together and that was like
half the fun was watching all ofthe people's outfits. Yeah, and there
was one woman who was like dressedto the nines, like she was wearing
a legit Wonder Women costume. Yeah, yeah, it was pretty awesome.
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Um yeah, I was very likeimpressed with the women who like actually ran
in a Wonder Woman outfit because likethat's that is commitment. Yeah, that
would be my fear. So Iwas like obviously, like you started with
Lauren without me and the baby likeme and the baby were just like,
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okay, we'll meet you at thefinish line. Yes, now, we
were still in bed. When whenwhen I was the as when you're starting
and everything like that, And soI got up to go. I got
the baby, put her in thecar, go over there, and traffics
in nightmare because all the all theroads are blocked for the race. Right
Traffic is an absolute nightmare. AndI'm looking at the clock and I'm just
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like, oh, if she startedthis time, you know, the girl's
average running pace. Didn't calculate this, and like, oh my gosh,
she's gonna be done soon. Wegotta get there. And I'm wearing my
Batman's shirt. I'm I'm pushing pushingRipley in the stroller. And as I'm
running across a huge mall parking lot, I'm see I see two other dads
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with Batman's shirts, one pushing astroller, one like grabbing onto the hand
of another of another kid, andwe're all running towards the finish line,
and I'm just like, man,we are all living the same story right
now, because we're just like likeI could just tell that everybody's just like,
Okay, we gotta get there formommy. We gotta get there for
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mommy, otherwise she's gonna be angry, Daddy's gonna be in trouble all day.
We didn't leave the house in time. Yeah, I wish I could
have seen that. That's hilarious.It was amazing. That's hilarious. And
I'm all wearing Batman shirts, includingmyself, Like, that's hilarious. Yes,
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so you're all nerds as well,but maybe don't have the commitment to
run a race, right, right, exactly, at least a wonder woman
one, that's right. That's right. There were quite a few men there
though, too, It's true.Yeah, yeah, your sisters, mothers
and wives and all that compensations.Friends. Yeah, it was just fun,
something fun to do, and likeI've really enjoyed recently doing races and
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um probably the past year or whatnot. And when I saw one that would
be like a nerdy theme, like, of course I'm going to do it.
Oh yeah, you love themed race. I do. I really did.
Also food based races. Well,yeah, why wouldn't I hot chocolate
and donuts. That's right, becauseif you're going to race, you like
need to do it for a reason. Like I really wanted our my Wonder
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Woman metal like that was the bigdeal and that metal is freaking awesome.
Spins, yes, exactly. SoI don't know whether it's like maybe I
didn't like I didn't get those participationslike trophies in grade school. I never
did anything like that. But Ireally enjoy a cool medal, and like
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this one was like, well,I have to have that medal in my
collection. Well, when I whenI played baseball when I was a kid,
they didn't give out any ribbons forlast place. So even back then
they didn't. I'm sure they donow. No, I'm sure they do.
Yeah, but no, they didn'tmake a trophy low enough to the
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ground for my for my Peanut League. Maybe you should take every racing just
to you know, feel that thrill, just to get some sort of recognition
for athletic ability to try. Yeah, because that's the beauty of it.
It's like if you finish, thenyou get something. Well, that would
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be a new experience for me.My trophy case is quite bare. But
if you go to my Xbox achievements, well, I'm sure yes, those
are through the roof as it were. We also did something cool. Um,
I guess it was maybe two weekendsago. I don't know if it's
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last week or two weeks ago,I cannot remember. But we wanted a
podcast about it, and we wantedpodcasts about it so bad but couldn't.
And what we did was we actuallywent to the Music Box, which is
an old theater in downtown Chicago.It's on the North side near Wrigleyville,
and it's a it's an old theaterand they play a lot of foreign films,
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a lot of silent films, alot of indie films. They do
a lot of festivals, yea,some stuff that's unknown or stuff that's hard
to get a print for. Andso m a friend of ours. And
also you know host on the network, Mike Schindler. You should definitely check
out all of his stuff. Hehas multiple shows on the networks. He's
very talented. He is actually inthe theatrical business. He manages some theaters
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and he works a lot with distribution. Like I'm phrasing it wrong, but
he works a lot with figuring outwhat movies go where and when and how
often and everything right. He knowsthe business and he knows a lot about
theatrical distribution, and so he textedme. He said, he and he
knows that we're huge Venture fans,right, he said, The Music Box
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is playing fight Club in thirty fivemillimeter, and since Disney bought Fox,
they're not really that great on rereleasingstuff in theaters. So this might be
your last chance to see watch FightClub in thirty five million in a theater.
Yeah. And we were too youngto go stee fight Club in the
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theaters right in thirteen fourteen. Yeah, there's no way I would have been.
No, I saw it, butnot in the theater. I saw
it later. Um. Yeah,so we got to go downtown and do
that with Chindler and his wife andit was awesome. It was so much
fun. Yeah, not only dowe actually got to see it with Chin
and his wife. Yeah. Itwas so much too lovely people and is
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a very old theater but very uncomfortableon the behind, that's right, but
so worth it because it was somuch fun. First of all, we
forgot how much we love that movie. Everything so great, every single time,
so good. And also just tosee it also with a theater full
of people who love it, whowant to be there for it, want
to be there, like no onewas talking everyone was laughing at the sardonic,
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like dark moments of the film,which you know, it has like
a very weird sense of humor aboutitself. And I was just so much
fun to watch it with, Likeit was just like you could feel the
vibe in the room was like we'rewith our people. Yeah. I think
that's the appeal of something like theMusic Box is because when you're there,
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you know that everybody wants to bethere, and it's your kind of ilk.
No One just kind of like walksin randomly off the street, like,
no one's just like let's kill sometime. Like they're not showing Avengers
Endgame there, right, They're notshowing the Incredible Life of Pets or Secret
Life of Pets two or whatever that'scalled. You know they're not doing that,
right. It's movies you seek out, absolutely. And it's interesting because
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you've heard me complain constantly on thisshow and in life about my theatrical experience.
I was like, I want metheatrical experience to be perfect. I
want a perfect screen, I wantperfect sound. I want really comfy seats.
I want no one talking, noone on their phone, no nothing,
but bas I want people basically Iwant to be home just with a
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big screen, right, Um,but with the music box, the seats
were incredibly uncons comfortable. Uh,the organ on the left was in the
way of the screen. The ACwas not working. Yeah, night,
So it was super hot and thelike did I say, the sound was
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weird, Like, the sound wasweird, and the print was scratchy as
hell, and it was perfect.It was perfect experience for fight club.
Absolutely that is fight club. Yeah, it's dirty, it's grimy, it's
it's not true. Yeah, it'sreally true. So like feeling a little
bit uncomfortable of during fight club,it's almost like, yeah, you need
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to feel a little uncomfortable. Itjust for some reason, like it just
clicked with me and out of outof all people, I thought that like
I would just be annoyed the entireway through. But it was the exact
experience that you would want out ofa thirty five. Yeah, showing definitely
definitely we And it was one ofthose things where like we always have talked
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about going down to see and seeingdifferent things down there, just because of
all the great work that they doshowing films that you can't get or you
know, our our printer or whatever. And so the fact that we actually
went down and did it this time, I was really proud of us because
I feel like, you know,in life, sometimes you're just like,
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uh, it's you get lazy,right, You're just like it's too much
work, like and it's really notthat far for us, but it is
because it's going downtown and we livein the suburbs. And I know it
sounds stupid, but it's like,okay, we got us to get asider
and and it's like it's a nightof it right, um, But I'm
really proud of us for doing somethinglike that. It was really fun and
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we should do it more often too. We really should. And it kind
of got me thinking. And I'mnot I don't want to talk about the
Disney buy out because that's not that'snot what I'm going to ask you.
But since Disney bought Fox and likeSchindler brought it up, like, oh,
Disney doesn't really like to rerelease stuffthat much in the theater, it
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got me thinking, you know,like, what is something that we missed?
What's something because we either weren't bornyet or we're too young or too
lazy or too poor, like whatwas it? When was it, you
know, like that we missed inthe theater that we if given another shot,
Yeah, would jump on that opportunity. Like what would you like to
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see in the theaters where it's justbecause like you and I, we love
watching movies at home. Yeah,because no one's around, no one's talking,
no one's chatting, no one's ontheir phone, the floors aren't sticky,
we have a great TV, wehave a good sound system. So
it would take a lot to getus to the theater. It took one
of Fincher's best films. Yeah,I was gonna say and get us there.
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And it was interesting is that themusic backs they are showing like previews
of their upcoming films, and likea lot of them were like a series
of film like each night they wouldhave like a different of the director or
something like that. So I waskind of thinking about this, and I
was thinking, like, I thinkI would really enjoy like if I saw
this coming to the music back,I would really enjoy going to like a
Wes Anderson. Yeah, um,like film festival, like you kind of
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buy a ticket for each night wouldbe a different movie or whatever. And
I think what the most appeal forme would be would be being surrounded by
like a bunch of other Wes Andersonfilm nerds and like kind of experiencing it
together because I've seen some of themin theaters. Not that I but the
one that comes to mind is theRoyal ten of Mounts, right of course.
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Yeah, man, like a WesAnderson film festival. I don't know
if I have enough scarves for that. I think we could work on it.
I totally do. I totally do. Oh that would be Yeah,
that'd be interesting. Uh, thatwould be a lot of fun because especially
his earlier stuff. And I'm notsaying that to sound like a hipster.
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I'm already there's we're talking about WesAnderson. Um No, I'm talking like
you know, we've we've seen thethe you know, moon Rise Kingdom and
we've seen them Grand Budapest Hotel andeverything like that. We've seen the fantasims
is for Fox and I love dogs, but we I did. I wasn't
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really into West any right. WhenLife Aquatic came out, Yeah, Rushmore
came out, when a Rolltown bombscoming. Those are the ones that come
to mind that I would have likedto have seen, and like you know,
when we go to theater, wealways bring up like the fact that
you know, we want to spendour money on things that we need to
see in the big screen. ButI think this is one of those cases
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where it's not necessarily for the youknow, the visual spectacle of it.
It's more like for the experience ofwatching it in a group of people.
Because that's what I really enjoyed aboutfight Club was, like you said it
like, you know, it wasthirty five millimeter, but it was scratched
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so bad. But the most funwas watching it with people that really loved
Fight Club too. So I thinkthat would be really fun. Okay,
that you're you're hitting an aspect thatI didn't really think about before, where
like seeing it with a group ofpeople, because you know, I don't
like people, right, she saidthat you don't want to just watch it
by yourself, but I did,you know, like we we've talked about
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before, like last Halloween, whenwe saw Halloween the new one, like
that was half of the fun waseveryone together and and and you know,
jumping at the right moments and eveneven just a little bit of whispers like
oh my god, right, stuffthat was fun to hear and to and
to be around and and so likemy my Picks, the things that come
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to mind would be something that youwould not want to sit in a theater
for that long, like mine is, like I want to see the Ten
Commandments on the big screen. Ohwow, I want to see Kingdom of
Heaven on the big screen the director'scut. So like these are all like
three and a half so epics.Yeah, I want to see. Yeah,
I want to see Picks on thebig screen. I want to see
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I want to be in a classymovie theater, and I want them to
be on film because I think,like usually around Passover, you can get
the Ten Commandments in a Fathom event, but it's going to be a crappy
digital projection whatever, you know,like just watch it at home. It's
not so much the big screen.And it's not just the big screen that
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I want, it's I want thatfilm quality I want. I want that.
I want light projected through celluloid ona screen for an epic. That's
what I want. Like I don'tnecessarily need like the audience participation when I'm
watching The Din Commandments or something likethat. Um So that's I'm not really
sure what kind of partituations you have, you know, the Angel of Death
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comes by, you're like, youknow, like there's something like that.
I don't know. But uh sowith that, I'm not quite sure.
Like I'm trying to think, likemaybe if there was kind of like those
those jump scares and everything like that, maybe like the alien films, you
know, like Alien, Aliens,Alien three, something like that. Yeah.
Absolutely, But but the thing is, though, is that we've all
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seen those movies dozens of times,so we're not going to like jump except
for maybe you you still jump thethings even though you know they're coming.
Nice, Yes, I do.No, that would be fun like seeing
Alien or Aliens um, like notso much Aliens three, but yeah,
like on the big screen, likejust to see it with people who like
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love it and because it is sucha classic sci fi would be fun.
Trying to think if there's anything Idon't have any desire to watch, tend
commit and send the big screen.I would never take you that. I
don't thank you good. Um No, it's just because I think it's too
long. Yeah, it's too long. I mean fight Clubs only two hours
in nineteen minutes, and I thinkwhen Tyler Dirton revealed himself to the narrator.
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That's one of my butt was justlike dude, you gotta move something,
go to the bathroom just to getup and stretch it. No.
Yeah, And it's funny because Imean we're used to watching I mean we
watched End Game, which is likethree hours or yeah, but we weren't
in music box. True, it'strue like in old seats. I guess
it doesn't necessarily mean that you aregoing to have like crappy seats when you
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go see something rereleased or whatever.But yeah, I get that though.
I think I agree with the alienand it's but you can have the ten
commundments by yourself. There was doyou remember like do you remember having like
do you remember a good theatrical experience? Like when you think, man,
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that was a good theatrical experience.What pops into your head besides like something
that happened to us recently, Likeis there anything that pops in your head?
We're just like, man, I'mso glad I saw that on the
big screen. Um, I thinkgravity Yeah was one that I really enjoyed.
Um, good choice just because itwas it was like it demanded to
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be seen. Kind of built forthe theater. Yeah, like I we
watched it not that long ago andit's still enjoyable one, but it was
so much more impressive. We sawthat an Imax too, Yeah, in
Imax, like and we saw sowe saw it right as we saw it
an Imax, and you know,it was really impressive and it felt it
felt that felt like a movie thatwas more of like an event, like
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we're going to go see gravity becauseyou have to see gravity in this way
kind of like Dunkirk in seventy millimeterright, right, and we did that
too, Yeah, yeah, yeah, I will have to say that usually
negative experience is kind of sticking yourbrain more, which is unfortunate. Yeah,
but I would say that one's theone that comes to mind when you
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say that to pop it in myhead. And this first one that I'm
going to mention didn't pop it inmy head until you mentioned gravity. And
that's Avatar, Like Avatar in threeD was built for Imax and three D
like that was the entire Yeah,absolutely, jump start you know, jump
started the three D the short livedthree D um fad that was going on
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well, and it was designed specifically. Yeah. Yeah, and and like
James Cameron built that movie. He'slike, watched this in Imax in three
D and then you have the fullAvatar experience, right, So, and
I remember just being so utterly impressedby the visuals and the sound design.
I think. I think that's whatreally pushed it over the edge for me
was the sound design, where Iwas just I was sitting there in the
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Imax and just hearing everything swirl aroundme. It just enveloped me, like
absolutely, I was so happy thatwe were able to do that. Yeah.
I think the other thing, andthis was also sound related too,
was Tron Legacy. I was soutterly happy to see that on the big
screen because I am such a Tronfan, and just Daft Punk's score was
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so perfect for that movie. AndI remember there was there was a time
when the music hit and they gointo the game space and like, um,
like it's just a it's just amoment, and then they start going
Renseler and in that moment, mymom leans across in front of my dad
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and starts hitting me really hard inthe shoulder because she's just like, are
you watching this? Are you sayingthis? That's funny? Because she was
just so jazz. Yeah, andshe knew that I would be too,
and it was just one of thosefun moments that only happens in the theater
because you're enveloped by the site inthe sound. Oh yeah, absolutely,
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yeah, Yeah, I totally getthat. Is there anything else that comes
to him? That's that's really it. Like I wish I had some sort
of I don't know, some sortof story of like some older you know,
like some some older film where likeI was like, oh, I
was watching you know, the FrenchNew Wave and you know, I just
caught myself crying before even the firstcredit, you know, Like I don't
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have anything like that. It's reallyjust like I was awesome because I would
love to have. Um. LikeI've said this before on the show,
but my first experience watching Star Warswas when they were released in special edition
in the theaters, and it wassuch a big deal to me to go
to the theater and watch Like ofcourse they existed, right, but like
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my parents were like, you're notwatching it until we see it on the
big screen each year. So likeI even tried to like keep kids away
from me for spoilers from each episodeeach movie, and I was like no,
I don't want to know. Idon't want to know, and um,
I would love to one day,like that would be so cool if
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there was an opportunity like that.Ripley was old enough that if they did
for some reason re released them,especially if they re released them in like
the nineteen seventy versions, that wouldbe fantastic. But um, to have
that, I've really enjoyed that theatricalexperience of like we're going to go see
Star Wars and this is something special. Yeah, this is a big deal.
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It was a really big deal.So that comes to mind as well.
I keep forgetting that you didn't seethem until that. I didn't.
I knew it wasn't until the specialeditions came out, but I didn't know
that. It was like you donothing about it until you saw them.
It didn't I had no clue,like, not even a little bit.
So when you got to Empire,oh yeah, Vader said like no,
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I'm your father. Yeah, likethat, that was the first time that
I knew that that is beautiful.It was beautiful, Like seriously, it
was one of those things that Ithink my parents for it because it it
made it so special. It reallydid, and I think that that's kind
of where, if I am beinghonest with myself, I think that's where
I kind of like fell in lovewith cinema. Was like just that anticipation,
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right, and like just feeling Iwas so engrossed in that world.
And even the amount of time thatpassed, like it wasn't obviously as much
time, like because they had themand then they just kind of kept releasing
them. But um, even waiting, there was something beautiful about that that
I had to wait to see,not as long as people did back in
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the day, but just even thatlittle bit of waiting made it more special.
I remember we were at a theateras a family and they had the
posters up for the special editions,and that was when news was coming out
that they were making the prequels,and I think was it one they came
out once a month, like duringthe summer or something like that. It
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was something like that. But likeI remember my mom saw the poster and
she didn't recognize they were that theythere old ones, and she's just like,
wow, they're just gonna come outwith them like that bing bang boom,
like like each month. That doesn'tmake sense. That's funny and said.
I was like, no, thoseare the old ones. She's like,
ohh not everything. Oh yeah,my um first time I watched it
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was on a crappy TV in thebasement on vhs, you know, like
four by three vhs. That wasthe first time I saw Star Wars.
And it wasn't that big of adeal like when I saw Star Wars,
Like my dad didn't make that bigof a deal about it. Interesting and
honestly, I don't even remember ifhe was there for a new hope like
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it was there is a spider andI'm gonna go kill it. I'm honestly
surprised that you did just kill thatbecause I am the spider killer in our
household. You are the spider killerin the household. Because actually, like,
just man, maybe we do needto talk to the organ guy,
because just yesterday you, um yousaid, hey, there's a giant spider
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in the in the in the tub, and I need you to see it
just in case we need to callthe organ man. And I was like,
no, I'm good. Yeah.I was like cool, okay,
thank you. I'm just gonna bean. I'm just gonna go I'm just gonna
go talk to the spider because it'sthat big. See if you can read,
yeah, I'll reason with it,but cool, I'm want to stay
right here. Thanks, damn,why are we getting spiders? You're not
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going to be no, probably not? Um So, yeah, like I
think I remember, like like Ilike, I was really young and dad
was at work. Mom was astay at home mom, and I was
just like, I want to watchI just pulled it off the shelf.
I was just like, this looksawesome. I want to watch this.
And it was Star Wars and NewHope and she calls up I think I
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remember this. Yeah, she wassitting on the stairs and she said and
she calls up Dad at work andsays like, can just watch this?
And I don't remember the outcome.Maybe he said no, like wait for
me, or maybe he said yes. I can't remember, but I watched
it that day, okay, andyou know the rest is history. It's
like I just need to watch thesemore. And so it wasn't like a
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big lead up where like like whenwe show Ripley Star Wars, it's going
to be a big deal with mydad. It wasn't. But then when
he found out, he's like,oh, he really likes Star Wars,
right, Like it became a thingbetween the two of us where we would
watch it together constantly. Yeah,yeah, um yeah. I think the
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attitude was like this is a bigdeal and you need to see this.
That was kind of the more ofthe tone. Like I wouldn't say that
my family is like huge into StarWars. It was more like I was
huge into Star Wars. Like Imean not that like my brother didn't like
it as well. But it wasn'tlike my parents were like Star Wars is
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the best thing in the whole world. It was more of like, we're
this is something that you need tosee. Yeah, as a human being,
they recognize that at oh yeah absolutely, and like the fact you can
see on the big screen we're goingto do this. That's something that I
think is lost on some people,especially nerds and especially nerds online, where
you can be a casual fan ofStar Wars but still recognize its cultural impact.
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Yeah, honor society as well asin pop culture and literature and the
zeitgeist and everything like that. Butyou don't have to you know, like
know every single line from the movie, right, You don't have to know
that C three PO is a protocoldroid. You know, like you don't
have to know all these little nittygritty things in order to be a quote
unquote fan. You can be likeour parents who are like, oh yeah,
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I saw that in Kansas City innineteen seventy seven. It was amazing.
That's just such a great movie.All right, let's go have dinner.
Like they're not talking about how youknow, you know, Boba Fett
is not really a Mandalorian, buthe wears Mandalian armor. Like my dad
never had those conversations with me,but he's a huge Star Wars fans,
right right, you know, it'sjust yeah, and I think like maybe
fandoms, you know, people havefound each other more right, so and
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then there's more of that like comparisonof how big of a fan you are,
whereas like this type of stuff,I don't I mean, maybe i
I'm completely wrong, but if feelslike maybe it was more niche like you
had to find that group of peoplethat you could talk to like a nerd
is so much more of like anaccepted idea now whereas um, you know,
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I feel like maybe it wasn't rightfor a while for a long time.
So now it's more of like wellif you're a nerd. Oh cool,
you're a nerd, whereas before itwas more of something maybe you hid.
Yeah, yeah, I think it'squite possible. Yeah, so should
we kind of move on to BlackMirror Season five? Sure? You think?
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Sure? All right, So we'renot the we're not like gigantic Black
Mirror fans. No, And infact, we I think a few episodes
ago. Well that it was morethan a few episodes ago. That's just
time for me. I have ahard time with time. A while ago,
Yes, we decided to seek outlike a list that told us,
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like the go to Black Mirror,like the best of Black, IMDb's top
ten top ranked the top ten highlyranked episodes, and so we did a
countdown from ten to one. Yes, and it was a lot of fun.
It was like we were just like, oh wow, these are some
really great episodes, somewhere better thanothers. Some clicked with us more than
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others, but overall in your head, they stick in your head, great
concept series and everything like that.And just last week you're listening to this
on Monday that was released on Wednesday. I think something like that season five,
which is just three episodes, justthree episodes, and whenever there's like
Black Mirror is very popular online andit wasn't always in Netflix original okay,
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but some of the later seasons areand some people are saying that, oh
ever, since it went over toNetflix, it kind of lost its teeth,
okay, And I think that's aninteresting take. Lee Hutchinson, who
is a friend of ours, alsoa great host on the network. Check
out his stuff Philibuster in the twentyfour project, he hated this season,
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really thought it was absolutely weak andeverything like that. So, um,
we're gonna try not to spoil anythingthat's hard. It's gonna be hard.
Hopefully hopefully you've seen it. Well, we'll try not to spoil it,
but we'll let you know if weif we kind of got ye about that.
Actually, actually you need to talkabout the concepts. You got to
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talk about the concepts, especially withthat first one with striking vipers or vipers
striking whatever, like the concept shouldwe say spoiler territory? Yeah? I
think we should. I think so. If you haven't watched season five,
um, then go watch it andthen listen to this portion we have.
We gave you thirty minutes worth ofreally good content. Even if you haven't
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seen Black Mirror, So speaking ofum, tell us a movie, um,
or maybe like a director that you'dlike to see re released or like
have a film festival of their worksor something like that. Yes, you
would love to know because it's probablysomething we haven't even thought of that we
would want to see too. Yeah, let us know if there if there's
something specifically in thirty five millimeter,or if there's something involved in a festival
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like as big as like oh,I'd want to see all the star
Treks in the theater or something likethat, or or something is really niche,
like oh, I really want tosee Terence Maleck's bad Lands on thirty
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on Twitter at the Insane Robin SoSeason five spoiler territory. Here we go.
The first one is called Striking Vipers. I think I'm viper striker.
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I don't even know its in frontof me. Okay, that doesn't like
viper, you're striking. That doesmake sense? Um, yeah, I
know you don't ever have notes.Um. But it's starring Anthony Mackie,
Yeah, who also known as Falconfrom Marvel, DMCU and everything, right
but right, And he was goodin this. I was like, I
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haven't really seen him in much else. Yeah, so I couldn't really judge
him other than what he's done forFalcon and so like, you know,
it's Marvel, you know, soit's not like you're doing anything heavy hitting
though, Like we're big Marvel people, so it's not like we're trying to
go you know, we're not tryingto talk down on it, right,
but it's but maybe not seeing himlike to be able to show off what
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he can do and acting wise.Right. Um so yeah, it was
Okay, So we watched that one, and I don't know about you,
but like that one was probably themost interesting to me. I was actually
out of the three, that wasthe one that really stuck with me.
I was and like as we werewatching it, I would turn to you
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every once a while and go,this is ascating, Like this is really
interesting. Yeah, um, speakingof Marvel, Um, there's a character
in there and I cannot remember hername, but she's like one of the
fighting characters and yeah she's Mantis.She's yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
I cannot remember her name, soI'm so sorry, but um,
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but she was in there too,but she like it's hard you almost don't
recognize her because she's blonde in this. Yeah, it's like, yeah,
yeah, she's a platinum play inBlack Mirror. But you know, of
course Mantis she has black hair,right, But yeah, in this,
like obviously, since we're in PolarTerritory, you've seen it, so I
don't need to describe the plot toyou, but it's you know, it
takes place in a future where likevirtual reality is indistinguishable from real life,
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and so they get into like thisMortal Kombat Teken kind of kind of battle
where it's like it's on Xbox Liveand like they're playing from great distances but
they're connected to the Internet. Andso this guy is playing with his old
roommate and who hasn't seen for along time. They have a history of
playing this game together. Yeah,yeah, but like previous versions, right,
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and so that not VR. Andso they get into it and then
all of a sudden, like hisroommate is playing a female character, he's
playing a male character, and allof a sudden, they stopped fighting and
they have an awkward kiss, andYou're just like, WHOA, Like what
you actually said? Like You're like, oh, I saw that coming,
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and I go what how I thoughtit was just two dudes who was going
to play the video game together,Like I legit thought that this was going
to be about video game addiction,because in like the project, it was
yeah, kind of in the prologueit was you show him and he just
said he said, He's like,okay, man, I can only play
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for like a little bit. Thenall of a sudden, it's morning.
Well, I just had a conversationwith a co worker of mine last week
where he used to have an Xboxbut then he got rid of it.
He's like, he's like, no, I got a real issue. He's
like, I am, I amvery addicted to video games, okay,
and if I play, I couldeasily lose eight hours and not know it.
And I'm like, wow, geez. I was like yeah, that's
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a good thing. You got ridof it, Like you don't want to
do that like with me, No, I know I love video games.
Oh yeah, then like I could. I could easily waste eight hours,
no problem. But if if,if you don't ever have that opportunity,
I never have an opportunity. Iflife is calling me, I can put
down the control and not think twiceabout it, right, And so maybe
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that's why I was thinking. Ilike I even thought to myself, I
was like, oh man, it'sit's it's gonna be so great to see
a morality tale about technology, aboutan addiction to video games instead of addiction
to porn, which is just sotired. And that's totally what was.
It was analogous too, you know, like it was about like being addicted
to sexual material and everything like that, which is fine, which is fine,
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right, but so in this techand like Mortal Kombat game, you
have fully functioning genitalia and you canhave sex with people virtually. And I'm
just like who, I kept saying, who designed this game getting released?
Like allowing that to happen, likeon the side, like oh, you're
playing the game, but now you'renot playing the game like, how is
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the feature? Well, people findthe features all the time, right,
like through video games, like,oh well, if you do this move,
then you can find this area,right like, or even game designers
will put stuff eggs Easter eggs.This is a pretty blatant and obvious Easter
egg that's true. But regardless thisstory, you know, Anthony Mackie's a
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married man, and um there's hisroommate who is male and he is a
heterosexual. They're both heterosexual men.But then all of a sudden, this
opens up a window of virtual sexwith the same sex but in opposite sex
bodies, and it just it reallyjust makes you think about the future.
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And that's what that's what I reallylike about Black Mirror, even if the
episode is trash. A good BlackMirror episode, even with a trash story,
will give you a concept that getsyou talking with your friends and your
family, right and just going like, what is that going to be?
Like? Right? What like inthe future are we going to have to
deal with stuff like that? Becauseyou know, like it talked about,
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you know, what is it inthe future when you have access to these
things? What does it mean?Is it cheating? Yeah? What does
it mean? To be. Isit infidelity? Is it heterosexual? Is
it homosexual? Is it bisexual?Are you dealing with some sort of transgender
issues because you're having sex in adifferent as a different gender than yourself,
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you know, Like right, it'sjust all of these questions rapping, but
you're not really having a sex,but you are having like yeah, it's
like it's answered like the more AndI think that's the thing about Black Mary.
It's like the more technology you have, the more questions there are,
and the more great area there isas far as like you know, when
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it comes to fidelity and everything likethat of like okay, well if I
did in a video game, doesthat count, you know? And is
that cheating or is that just partof the game. I mean, obviously
they were explaining in this one thatthat became a lot more of a relationship,
right, Like they were talking andthey had to like they basically were
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like dropping everything so they could yeah, hang out from intimacy, right exactly.
But yet they weren't willing to willingto accept that outside of the video
game right. In fact, theyeven tried kissing outside of the video game
and said that they felt nothing.Right. But that's one thing that really,
I'm just like hum because in thevideo game they show them like they're
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they get done have sex and thenlike he like brushes his cheek, like
laying in each other's laps. Dude, Like, right, if it was
just about sex, it's a littlebit more than that, right, Like
you're in there like talking and likepillow talk, right, Yeah, so
it's not just about that. Itfelt deeper and like just sex just to
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have sex, right, yeah,orry to have sex in a different way
and experience a different different way ina different location, right. Like even
the roommates said, he's like,it's not real. It's just it's like
it's like porn. It's like bornlike trying to downplay it. Like when
Anthony Mackie said, I can't dothis. It's not fair of my wife.
I gotta move on. We can'tdo this anymore. He's like,
it's no big deal. It's justlike poorn. He's like, you know,
it's more than that, and it'sjust it's just so fascinating. Yeah,
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because that's like an area that wedon't know yet what that's gonna look
like and ramifications right exactly. Soit's just interesting to think about and you
know, it's it's very Ray bradvery esque, right where he's always you
know, he was always writing aboutwhat the future would look like with technology
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and how that was going to influenceus socially. And I don't remember Ray
Bradberry getting this race. Well,no, it wasn't this, right is
he? But it's just that conceptlike we've always been doing this, right,
like where we've we're trying to imaginethe future. And that's what I
think it's so interesting about Black Mirroris that you're trying to imagine a future
and how you would deal with thosesituations and that technology. Would you have
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that technology or would you not evenopen that door? Yeah? You know,
would you not even decide to doVR? Or is it VR just
so you know, like having acell phone in your pocket that what do
you mean you don't have a VR? Like? Is it just like no,
everyone just has this now. Soit's just very interesting. It was
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like that one episode I think it'scalled a History of Your Life or something
like that, where everybody has memoryimplants, yeah the grain, Yeah,
yeah, I think about that too. You can play back here every single
thing that you witnessed your entire life, you can play it back like it's
on an Apple TV. Right,And even though I think the story was
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really weak, that concept is fascinating. That one sticks in my head probably
the most, even though it wasn'ta great storyline, but just the idea
of that and just like this rightwhere like it feels all these concepts feel
if not real realistic, like oh, I've figured out how I have to
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deal with that, just slightly outof touch where you're like that could happen
in so what will my decision be? I thought, I thought that was
fascinating, and I was kind oflike that with with this one, like
I like the story of this onemore than the story of your life or
history of your life or something likethat. I didn't think it was a
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plus. I don't think it wasknock out of the park, but I
gave it four stars. Oh yeah, I think this one was definitely of
season five. Of season five,this one was my favorite just because it
got me thinking and it was wellacted and it was just very interesting.
Now, what do you think aboutthe ending where the wife finds out because
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Anthony Mackie is like he kind ofthey end up fighting like in real life,
and then the two guys, theroommates, and so they get arrested
and and so he has either eitherhas to make up a really convincing lie
or just be honest and say thisis what happened. So he does tell
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her, and then all of asudden they decided to have an open marriage
where once a month he can havecrazy virtual reality sex with his old roommate.
Yeah, male roommate who is isin a female body on the internet,
and then she gets to go tobars pick up strange. So what
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did you think of that? Well, I think it's a very uh that
has a really deep question there,but um, I think it from a
story spot from your own standpoint,I was just kind of like, Okay,
I guess I guess if that works. I guess, like, you
know, because they kind of showthem in like, um, you know,
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they have a maybe a stronger relationshipor whatever, like or at least
back to where it needed to beor something like that. I guess the
thing again, it kind of askedthe question like, Okay, but she's
physically out there and you know,also you know, I mean, not
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that reputation matters that much, butlike she's out there, like you know,
looking for guys, and he's okaywith that, and I mean that's
you know, it works for somepeople, I guess, but his whole
relationship is on the internet and notphysical right in the way and totally secret
right exactly. So it's just Idon't know. It was one of those
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things where you're like, I stilldon't know that completely solves their problem.
But I kind of felt the sameway, where like you bring up the
physical aspect, she's physically and actuallydoing that in the real world, right,
he's doing it virtually. I'm kindof like, oh, right,
No, I don't know how Ifeel about that. I would have liked
to see more damage. Oh atthe end of this episode, I would
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have liked to have seen seen thatfight, seen the husband and wife not
necessarily seen the fight. I wouldhave liked to have seen Anthony Mackie and
his wife try to recover. Iwould have liked to see them damage.
But they have their second child andI want to see them try to get
over it. They're working on it, like it's not perfect, it's not
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where it was, but you seea glimmer of hope saying like, Okay,
we're working through it. We're goingto get through. It's going to
be okay. And I want tosee the roommate down spiral where he just
keeps like looking and looking for anothercompanion he didn't including, but you know
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what I'm saying, Like I wouldhave liked to have seen him incredibly damage
because like Anthony Mackie had his wifeand he was able to kind of shut
it down and like walk away fromit for the most part, but this
guy really couldn't. And they showedthat in the story that he was attached
way harder than Anthony Mackie. SoI would have liked to have seen that
because because this these types of thingsdamage people, They damage relationships, they
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damage you emotional, this kind ofaddiction, this kind of infidelity is hard
to recuperate from, and I wouldhave liked to have seen that as opposed
to the whole weird we're just goingto do the open relationship thing once a
month, you feel like it's alittle bit we we skipped a lot of
details there, basically not so muchskipped a lot of details that just I
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would have liked to have seen adifferent ending like that. That's all that
I really, right, That's justme I'm sure that worked for some people.
But yeah, um, let's talkabout Smitherines. Yeah, this one,
I I mean it had some suspenseto it, but it's a concept
that doesn't isn't necessarily um completely youknow, novel or anything like that,
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right, It's it's more dealing withlike a current issue. Yeah. And
they even said like it was Londontwenty nineteen, right, And I thought
that was really interestingly. Yeah.I think that in itself it did appreciate
the idea because it's a modern daytelling with modern technology, right right exactly,
so be warned, right, arehappening today? This could happen today
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and does. And I thought thatitself was interesting. But you had thirty
minutes worth of content in over anhour. Yeah, it felt very drawn
out as far as the story standpoint. Um. I did like seeing Tofa
Grace, Yes, any excuses toYeah, we love to Tofa Grace.
Um, other than in Spider Mandermentthree, not so much. Uh.
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Yeah, I think I enjoyed theidea of it being something that we currently
have in our lives. Everyone's ontheir cell phone all the time. Um,
people text and drive or check theirTwitter or check their Facebook all the
time while driving. Um, they'renot supposed to, but they do,
and it can lead to ramifications um, which can be life threatening. Um
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you know if not. So it'sone of those things where, uh,
I think it was interesting to explorethat issue, but I felt like the
storyline was so drawn out that itwas like you're dealing with one concept and
it's not It didn't tie, like, it didn't hold it together the whole
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time, Like that concept didn't makeme. I don't know, it was
engaged the whole time. It feltless about technology and more just of a
hostage situation. Yeah, and Iknow that it like they used technology throughout
it where it's just like, oh, well, you know because right like
we're we're able to have a socialaccount, we're able to listen in and
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because of X, Y and Zand everything like that, we have this
tech guy who is you know,like off in the desert. It's just
it wasn't enough weird technology for me. It wasn't a concept that was really
worth talking about because I had zerosympathy for the gunman. I had zero
sympathy for the guy who who whotook a hostage because I'm just like,
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yeah, I'm sorry that you feelresponsible for your fiance's death. You are
responsible for your fiance's death, butwhy you feel the need to contact the
owner of the company is beyond me. I still don't really understand it.
Just because he wants them to knowthat his stuff is addicting and people die.
Well, I'm just like, yeah, well, I find some personal
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responsibility. I mean, there's there'stons of things that distract you while you're
driving, Like, oh my gosh, I freaking love McDonald's fries. They
are the best McDonald's fries out there. They make them so addicting, like
they just make them better and betterevery single year. And I want the
founder of McDonald's to know that Idropped them on the floor and when I
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went to pick one up because theywere just so delicious, I killed my
entire family. I just wanted youto hear my story. Go screw yourself.
Who gives a crap? Yeah,I mean again, it's you know,
it's the idea that it's misplaced.Yeah, I mean, but in
yeah, he did blame himself.So it just again, it felt like
so drawn out for to drive thatconcept home. And then, you know,
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I thought the most interesting thing washow everyone just kind of got back
to life after. I thought thatwas funny. Yeah, like the like
they you're checking their feeds or itwas like, oh, oh that ended,
I'm just gonna go and play back, right, and just showing how
like news stories so quickly pass right, they just kind of her inner stream
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of consciousness like, oh, andnow moving at this is somebody's entire world,
but it's just five seconds of ourtime. That right, which is
again bleak and such a cop outat the end, so frustratingly a cop
out at the end where they don'treveal if somebody got shot or who got
shot, or what she what thatwoman found when she opened up her daughter's
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profile. Such it was like theydidn't really tie any loose ends up.
It was just like okay, yeah, and it wasn't It's it's not like
an inception where it's just like,oh, I wonder, I wonder which
is real. It's like, no, you didn't finish your story exactly.
You just decided not to tell usyou finished five seconds early. Congratulations,
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Right, Yeah, I didn't likethat one. Um she talked about the
Miley strus one. That's the firsttime you've ever heard that. I know,
right, is it Rachel Jack andAshley too? Okay? Yeah,
this one it was more interesting.I thought it was going to be,
but I don't know. Um.I gave some of the rins like three
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stars, um, just because therewas a few moments that I thought were
really good and I love I LoveTufer Grace. I think pretty much gave
it three stars just for tofor um. With this one, I gave two
and a half because everyone I lookedonline and everyone was just like, oh,
mileys IRUs is surprisingly good in this. I'm like, is she is
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she really? Yeah? Well she'sa girl who's a pop star. Was
there a lot of stretch there?Yeah? I get so tired of the
I'm a pop star trying Yeah,isn't she trying her hardest? I get
so tired of the I'm a popstar. I live in a mansion,
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but I'm trapped creatively. I getso tired of that story. I'm exhausted
with it. I would love tobe trapped creative. I would love to
be trapped creatively. Yes, pleasegive me, give me the mansion,
give me the money, and Ijust have to just moan every once in
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a while, like, oh,I can't white edgy songs anymore. I
think it's just such a far conceptfrom like the average person that it's it's
again like it it's removed from likedaily life, you know, so it's
like, oh, I'm so sorry, you have everything you could pass with.
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Like I know, we all haveour prisons. I get that.
Yes, we like no matter ifyou're you know, very wealthy or very
poor or very Middle America or whateveryou want to say, like right,
whether you're happy or sad, Like, we all have our own prisons.
I understand that. I get that. I understand that money doesn't buy happiness,
but it really does buy security.And you know, it's just like
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it's just if it like I thinkit's just a trope that we've seen too
often. Yes, I think morethan like it brewing like oh poor you.
It's just like we've all seen thisdone so many times. But then
when they took it further, that'swhen it got interested. Yeah, like
when she went into a coma.Yeah, when she was forced into a
coma, that was interesting to me. And then they are just like,
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okay, we're going to do adigital copy of you. And again that
was fascinating, interesting part that shouldhave happened way earlier in the story.
Yes, And also you have thislittle robot that's an AI running around,
but then it gets liberated because there'slike a block on the AI where it's
actually her consciousness put into this robot. And we've seen that in Black Mirror
before several times, so it wasnot foreign to us. And so it
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like, I like that concept whereit was easier to block her personality so
that she could only use four percentof her intelligence instead of just rewriting her
personality. Right, I love thatconcept. But the thing is, we
should have had a liberated Ashley too, way earlier in the story. Yes,
way earlier in the story. It'svery true. Yeah, um,
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I thought that again once, likeAshley too was like, what would you
call that? Liberate? Liberate?Sure, um, that was when it
got interesting. And that was butthat was like the last five minutes of
the whole thing. Maybe maybe still, Um, it took too long.
It took too way too long toactually get interesting because the first half at
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least was something we've seen over andover and over and over and over again,
and so much build up, andI was I think I described it
as I said, I was likeI don't understand how this can be slow,
so slow and rushed at the sametime. Yeah, well they didn't
spend their time wisely, right,perfect, perfect, that's the perfect great
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phrase that they didn't use their theydidn't spend their time wisely. And it's
just like, did you ever seethe movie Simone, No, it's a
it's an Alpacino movie that I knowwhat it is. Yeah, it's an
Alpaccino movie that no one's seen,okay, and I own it on DVD.
And so this guy creates a computerprogram that can be manipulated, like
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you can like type in what youwant it to do, and then it's
photorealistic. You can PLoP it intoa film like green screen, and like
you have a perfect actress, likeit's a director's dream where you just tell
this thing what to do, oryou act it out for them and then
interpolates it and then you you havethis actress. And this felt like vox
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Lux with Natalie Portman smashed with Simone. Like that's what this episode felt like.
Okay, Okay, yeah, Iguess um it just again like I
thought the I would have lived tohave explored how they were able to get
her music out of her head morewhereas they were like, oh, yeah,
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we can just take this. Itotally have that button. I have
that button, and we can getthis note and I O s that's a
G and oh that yeah, that'san a sharp Like no, no,
no, tell me how you're doingthat a little bit more like and I'm
not like super into like the tech. Yeah, but we really just glanced
over that, and that was themost interesting thing of the episode. So
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that was frustrating. Also, Icouldn't stop thinking, like, you're doing
all of this six months after she'sshe had her coma, Like would the
world be ready for that? Wouldthe world not judge you harshly that she's
laying in a coma. She's layingin a coma, and you're releasing this
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album that you've sucked out of herdreams, and then you're going to be
selling a virtual version of her,a virtual holographic version of her only six
months. I'm like, even fortoday's fast paced, give me whatever I
want culture and not caring about theperson behind the media, that's still seems
a little like extreme. It seemsa little extreme, and I know it
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doesn't really matter in the grand schemeof things. But for some reason I
kept thinking about that. No,I did too, because I was thinking,
like, Okay, they're explained thatthis is what she would have wanted.
But it felt very like, youknow, if it was something like,
oh, well we were able toget this and she did pass away,
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um, and so you have thisthe one last album that would have
been way different than her still beingin a coma. Yeah. I don't
know. Yeah, it was justit was a little strange. It was
it was strange and one thing thatI read, and I totally didn't realize
this when we were watching it wasall the songs that Ashley sang were nine
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inch nail songs, but like thatwhere the lyrics were tweaked to be happy.
Oh really, it was the samekind of beat and structure, but
just it was all upbeat and okay, upbeat lyrics. That's interesting. Yeah,
I thought that was really funny.Huh, yeah, that's really interesting.
Like Trenton Resner signed off on it, He's just that he's like,
oh, this is hilarious. Yeah, nice, nice, that's great.
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Yeah. I mean I think thatthis season, from what I've seen,
A Black Mirror is pretty weak comparedbut it was fun to watch something new,
and it made me want to goback and watch more Black Mirror did.
And it's just the thing about it, Even with the crappy episodes of
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Black Mirror, it does make youhave a conversation after and talk about,
well, what if, you know, would you have an Ashley two?
Would you buy an Ashley two foryour kid? You know? Would you
you know? Okay, we havesocial media, you know, like Smitherene,
So how addicted art am I personally? That? You know? Am
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I using my you know account inmy car or whatever? You know?
I don't game, So the StrikingVipers one didn't really resonate, But I'm
sure there will be technology one daythat you have to make a choice whether
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go through discovering whether I like thator not. Yeah, So it just
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