August 19, 2019 • 46 mins
Mindhunter Season 2 Review
As most of you know, we are huge David Fincher fans and could not wait for season one to drop last year. It was a huge creative success, so we were waiting with bated breath as to how season two would shake out.
Season two focused heavily on the Atlanta child murders in the late 70s early 80s and moved away from being interview focused. Was that the right move or should it have been more of the same?
Listen to hear our take.
As most of you know, we are huge David Fincher fans and could not wait for season one to drop last year. It was a huge creative success, so we were waiting with bated breath as to how season two would shake out.
Season two focused heavily on the Atlanta child murders in the late 70s early 80s and moved away from being interview focused. Was that the right move or should it have been more of the same?
Listen to hear our take.
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Welcome to the nerd polity. It'sgoing yes, all right, may I
love you and I like you.I love you and I like you.
I love that woman. I lovea more than shots love bloody. Hello,
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I'm Tristomer Dull and I'm the girl, and this is nerd and nuptial.
If this is your first time listening, we are a married couple looking
at life through a nerdy lens.How are you doing? Are good?
We just got done finishing mine hundredseats in two season two, and that
is what we're going to be talkingabout today. Yeah, and we've been
itching itching to talk about this show. Let alone watch the show because would
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you agree that this was your favoriteshow of last year season one? Oh
yeah, definitely. It came outlast year, right, it feels like
it was forever ago. I knowit does, right? Did Wait?
It didn't come out in twenty sixteen. He came out in twenty seventeen.
I mean, oh wait, no, I'm a year off. He came
out in twenty eighteen, right,eighteen, Yeah, I think that was
a while ago. My goodness,I'm so so out of it. But
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for those of you who who don'tknow, if this is your first time
listening. We are huge David Fincherfans. He's our favorite director and he
directed several episodes Season three, episodetwo, Yeah, which is season We
didn't realize that going in, sothat was really exciting. Yeah. Absolutely,
and it's uh, it was likewhen season one aired or dropped.
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I guess you need to say inthe netflace. We were super excited because
you and I and I want tosay this. I mean we love material
on serial Killers, yes, likeI hate it when people say, oh
I love serial killers. No,No, No, that's not how that
works, right, right, notlove serial killers material on serial Killers.
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Right, It's fascinating, Yes,we find it fascinating. We find the
hunt for the serial killer fascinating,the psychological profile, the good guys overcoming
evil that is serial Killers, right, that's what we enjoy. It's not
some sort of sick and twisted bullcrap that you see online where people are
like, oh my god, TedBundy so hot. Shut up, you're
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disgusting, you disgusted me that you'renot going to find any of that.
No, No, we're just youknow, I think season one we really
appreciate the way that they told thestory of basically how they started defining serial
killers and the fact that that didn'texist before then. It's just kind of
fascinating because it's such a part ofour culture now and just you know,
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we always talk about serial killers,is you know, like, oh,
well they didn't have a term forthat back yea, even the terms they
didn't even have a term. Yeah, just the term serial killer, right,
and even the idea of like,well, let's categorize these people why
they're doing what they're doing, ortheir background or you know, the type
of killings that they're doing. Soseason one was we love season one.
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It was fascinating. Yeah, Ifeel like all the actors just did an
absolutely amazing job, from you know, Graff who played Holden to the guy
who played tench and a tourv.They just they were the dream team.
Yeah, absolutely, the three ofthem together, Yes, was just absolutely
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fantastic. Yeah, and I thinkthey really propelled the show forward now season
and it felt like Fincher. Theyhad the essence of Fincher, you know
that, the deeper tones and justlike the content and the writing was darker
colors. Yes, exactly, Sowe were completely on board for that season.
Yeah. I think that was onething that we really dug about House
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of Cards when it first dropped wasthe first couple of episodes you could tell
like, oh, yeah, thisis a Fincher show, right, They're
trying to make the show look likeFincher, right, And um it was
funny because I think Fincher stopped,like with House of Cards, Fincher stopped
being like heavily involved by season threeof House of Cards, and you could
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absolutely tell, oh yeah, youcould really really tell and in everything everything,
like in style, direction, tone, writing, everything, And with
season two you could you're you werewhen you first started watching, You're just
kind of like, Okay, thankgoodness, Like it's clearly it's Fincher because
he's the one director the first threeepisodes, right, and then of of
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you're talking about mind of Mine Hunters. Yeah, And but as Mine Hunter
was going on, you started seeingthe style change up a little bit more
and it's like, oh, we'regoing further and yeah, absolutely, yeah,
it's very interesting. But I stillfeel like his hand is in this
one obvious yes. So yeah,yeah, So with season two, like
what were you hoping to see whenyou when we first actually we first heard
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the season two was was happening beforewe saw anything, you know, like,
yeah, they really don't promote MineHunter that much. No, they
don't, not at all, whichis interesting. Um, it makes you
wonder how popular it is because welove it so much and we were like
anticipating it so much. But maybeit's not as popular as we think,
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but we're still going to talk aboutit because we love it. Uh yeah.
I basically when we ended the seasonone, I was like, well,
this is just so fantastic because there'sso many serial killers to interview,
so let's just get more of seasonone. And I feel like that tends
to be our answer for a lotof things that we love. It's true
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where it's like, Okay, youdid a really good job in season when
to just keep doing what you're doingtoo so much because it's basically just it's
the same thing, right, It'sthe same thing. So uh yeah,
that's what we wanted. Um whatabout you? Yeah, I was probably
probably the same. Yeah, Iwas just more interviews. Loved season one
so much. There was just therewere so many great interactions and I think
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the only thing I really didn't digon in season one was Holden's girlfriend,
and she wasn't going to be inseason two, so I'm like that,
but yeah, it was. Iwas pretty much the same as you.
It's just like, just give memore, like I said, give me
more interviews, Just give me thesame amount of interviews, make him just
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as in depth. Just keep himcoming. Yeah, and I'll be happy
because definitely the Kemper interviews were themost fascinating from season one. So I
mean that actor, yeah, sofantastic. So it was like, Okay,
if you can give this more likethat, that would be fantastic.
But then the trailer came out anduh me a little nervous because it was
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all about child murders, it seemedfrom the trailer. So that was a
little bit like oh, like,I mean, yes, we totally understand,
you know, like sterilo colors killall different types of people, but
the fact that it was about childmurders, it's like it's just that feeling
of like, oh, I don'tknow about this, and like, you
know, in season one it definitelydealt with all types of murders, but
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with season two, it looked likethere was going to be a heavy focus
specifically on child murders, and alot of child murders, right and with
us being parents. Now, Imean, you don't have to be a
parent, no tou to have feelingsto empathize that. But it just it
it makes us weary to watch somemere tario. That's what I mean,
not like, oh well, wefeel it more. We're not saying that,
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we're saying that it's it just hitsus a little differently. Now.
Yeah, that we're parents, absolutely, that's all that I mean. Yeah,
And it's a and so that Iwas was worried about that. But
at the same time that Mine Hunterwas kind of made a name for itself
in not showing things, and Iwas glad to see that they continued doing
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that. Were season two, itwas all discussion and some photos there was
even less gruesome. There was wayless gruesome photos from season two, It's
true, as opposed to season one, and they just kind of saw some
aftermath and talked about it, andeven the aftermath was very hidden. And
I think that season two, interms of gore or grotesque conversation or description
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of events was even less intense thanseason one. And I'm not saying that
as a bad thing. Yes,And yet the content of it being children,
it's almost like they compensated in thatway because you know, there's some
really disturbing incidents of murder in itthat kind of kind of prey on your
mind, so they didn't need toshow anything for you to think about it
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at night. Um. So Ido think that they are very tactful though
of how much they show in theshow, and I really do respect that
because it's still powerful and you stillunderstand what happened without showing us all these
gory photos. And in a dayand age when streaming has introduced, like
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streaming was the new wave of HBOand Cinemax and everything like that, where
there was no FCC. That's notthe right word, like there's no there's
no rules. Yeah, there's rules, like you can do whatever the hell
you want. And a lot ofstreaming shows just out of the gate were
just like shows on HBO where itjust went over the top because you can,
because you can. And that's thething so much, so much crap
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that's on the air is because youcan. It doesn't motivate plot, it's
not motivated by a plot. Itdoesn't push the story forward. It's just
like, oh, well we canshow a death orgy, so let's just
go ahead and do that right becausethere's no sensors and so it's showing restraint
is the new bold in the inthe age of streaming. Yeah, and
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there was so many times when evenlittle things where um, I'm not spoiling
anything here, but in season twothere was a character who was shot in
the head or face multiple times andsurvived and he had a lot of reconstructive
surgery and the director, I can'tremember if his fincher or not, I
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think it was. He was inthe backseat of a car and the two
people in front weren't looking at himbecause they didn't want him to look.
He didn't want him to see him, and the camera did not show him.
It was either blurred or shadow orthe window reflection of a window,
or his head was turned. AndI thought it would have been so easy
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to get some quote unquote grotesque pointsto show his face, and they didn't.
It was even though we're dealing withI don't know if this person was
based on a real person or not. Um, you probably was because it
was, Oh it was a btker, so yeah, it would have been
based on somebody real. It waseven though it was a fictional portrayal.
It felt respectful. It did.It did, absolutely, and I think
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that maybe that's why they are sotactful with what they show and they don't
show, because these are real peoplewho did die and serial killers that did
kill. So you know that lineof not you know, being disrespectful to
the dead, but also not immortalizingthese killers that probably just wanted the attention
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to begin with, you know,I think, yeah, creating a myth
type of things. So I thinkthat it's really interesting how they handle that
type of material, right, Ithink that's a really astute observation. I
think just the sheer fact that we'renot we're dealing with fictionalized versions of events
because we're dealing with fictional characters basedon real people, right, So you
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still have that aspect where you bringin their personal lives, you bring in
their personalities and things like that,but they're still dealing with real world events,
right, real world victims. Andthat is important, absolutely, Yeah,
to understand that distinction because you dosomething that's I mean, you can
get away with a whole lot morein The Girl with a Dragon Tattoo than
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you can with Zodiac, right inthat terms, because in Dragon Tattoo you're
not dealing with real people. InZodiac, you are dealing with real victims,
right, exactly. Yeah, that'sinteresting, and I mean I think
Fincher does that right, Like whenit comes to fiction, I think he
goes a little bit more extreme.But in Zodiac it was very Well,
that's not true. It's been awhile since you've seen Zodiac. Okay,
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I don't like Zodiac as much.So well, they're okay. So here's
the thing is that, like,maybe that wouldn't have been Maybe that wasn't
the best example that I gave you, because Zodiac does get pretty gruesome.
But nope, I can't defend.You can't defend. I totally lose my
point. I'm not even gonna trythe back pedal. I was just straight
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up anyway. It was season twoanyway, season two of Mine Hunter.
Yes, but we respect that becauseI think that that does go to the
fact that, like we're not lookingto see gory details, We're just interested
in the human story of it.Yes, the psychological aspects of it.
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Why do they do what they do, how the BSU is thriving, how
they're changing what they're doing, andeverything like that. It's uh, yeah,
that like to see Anna towards characteragain, the psychological perspective Tench's character,
you know, like being a manager, like he's you know, he's
he's Holden's boss, but sometimes hedoesn't always act like it because he needs
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to let him do what he needsto do, right except when he gets
out of line. We got anew BSU director that's really fascinating into sun
Um Gunner or gun Gun Tim Gunn. That would be an interesting show that
season three, tim Gun runs theBSU. It Uh, yeah, it's
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just I felt like they were interestingnew developments, and I feel like you
can't really talk about without spoiling things. Yea, So we probably need to
get into it. We probably do, And so if you haven't seen season
two, I mean we when theseseasons drop, we try to watch them
as fast as possible while still enjoyingthem to get you this review as soon
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towards it, and we'll mention youabsolutely. All right, shall we go
into spoiler territory? Yes, okay, okay, So, because this is
based on real events, it's it'syou know, it's hard to spoil certain
outcomes, but there it's historical outcomes, but you can, we can spoil
things that happen in the show betweenthe characters. Right, So if you
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if you're listening this far, we'reassuming you've seen it, right, So
spoiler alert, spoiler alert. Whatwas what was the thing that you like
the most about season two so far? I don't even know why I said,
so far, we've seen, we'veseen the whole thing. Um,
it was probably the moments when itfelt more like season one where um holding
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intent we're together, um, Billand holding we're together, because I think
that that's really what me season oneso enjoyable was kind of seeing them go
off of one another, and especiallyan interrogation type situation where they were I
think in season two it was moreactually them interrogating people, whereas in season
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one it was them interviewing subjects.So it was just interesting to see more
of like their cop side or likeyou know, maybe they're beginnings, but
I definitely wish that we had seenmore of that, because that was what
made season one so great in mymind. Yeah, you could definitely tell
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that they were I mean, thatwas a conscious decision. And I don't
know if they were trying something newor they were trying to move away from
what they did in season one orjust not repeat themselves so it's not just
the same thing over and over again. But I missed it. Yeah,
I did too. I want togo back and I watched season one now
and season two I don't know.I don't know if I would feel the
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need to. I won't feel asmuch of a need to watch it again.
I didn't think about that until yousaid that, And I feel the
same way. I feel like seasontwo is good. Yeah, I think
it delivered. I thought it wasinteresting. I thought the performances were great.
I love that we focus more onTench in his family more than Holden.
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I feel like you definitely focused onHolden's season one in season one and
inter relationships and yeah, yeah,and you still got Tench's family life in
season one, but he was byfar the person that they focused on the
most. Yes, when you sawthe advertisement in the trailer four season two,
there was a roor shack design withthe characters and Tench was dead center.
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And when I saw that, Iwas just like, wait, Like
you'd think that Holden would be center, because he was very much the lead
in season one. Tench, thiswas his season, This was his season.
Yeah, And I think that maybepart of it. I know,
this sounds kind of weird, andI don't know, but maybe it's because
of the content that I wouldn't wantto watch it necessarily again, just because
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it does deal with like the heartacheof child murders, and like, not
that there's not heartache with any kindof murder, don't get me wrong here,
but because it was like an ongoinginvestigation, it felt a lot more
heavy and a lot more stressful thanwhen they were just for academic purposes going
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to these serial killers who had killedyears prior. Yeah, it's already happened.
It's already happened. There, alreadythere's closure, right like they have
they have been punished for their crime. Whereas the fact that there were the
ongoing murder of the Atlanta children.You know that that's a lot to deal
with. And every time, likethe news popped up and it was like
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another child you can see like themjust like their hearts sank and you did
two with them because what they weredoing was not working, And so that
frustration level whereas you know, there'sdefinitely more conflict in this season, whereas
season one was much more like,all right, we're just gonna get in
the car and drive across the countryand interview these really weird, messed up
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people and have these weird interactions,whereas season two felt much more like your
heart was in it, like you'relike, oh, and especially Tench's family
a situation with their child, LikeI mean, I can't even fathom like
that situation. I think that that'swhy like having a kid, and even
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if you don't have a kid,like fathoming having someone in your family,
let alone your child participating in amurderer is like that is just like too
much to put my head around.So I'm like, I don't know if
I want to revisit that storyline thatactually because I can't wrap my head around.
It didn't bother me that much.Oh, it bothered me immensely like
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because it is so it is socrazy to me, it is so far
out of left field. I can'teven imagine it happening within my own circle.
That is how crazy it is tome. Okay, I'm not saying
like I'm saying to me, Iwas just kind of I felt bad for
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tench Yeah, I felt bad forthe family. Obviously it was a horrible
situation. But that was one ofthose times where I was able to go
it's fiction, you know, it'sokay, interesting interesting. See for me,
that was too like, you know, the idea that they you know,
they couldn't have their own child,you know, which is something we
don't. Well, we were ableto have our own child, but like
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you know, we had trouble conceiving, and then they went to adoption and
just you know, and then whenthey've they finally had their baby that they
wanted, and then this whole situationhappens where you know, they're having to
go social workers all the time andyou know, basically prove that their parents
are they're they're good enough parents forthis child, and you know, not
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to have a repeat situation happen,you know, And thankfully he wasn't like
directly involved, but still enough thatyou're like, yeah, completely, your
whole life changes. Because if hedid it, like if he committed the
murder, then we would have justwritten him off as a character, right,
it would have been like, oh, well, this kid needs to
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being a padded cell, you know, he needs to be with a psychiatrist
twenty four seven. But because hewas a passive observer, right, we
were like, Okay, well,what's wrong? Like if you're he's not
right, he's not right, buthow can we get him help? How
can we fix this? Exactly?M Yeah, and just that like the
it kind of whenever I watched Ithink it's like maybe season two of Breaking
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Bad, or Skyler and Just andum well or just their marriage is just
falling apart, like you know,the cancer is going on, and you
know they're just not communicating. Likewhen I watched that for the first time,
I was like seriously depressed. Andit just because you get so involved
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with the characters that you're watching,and especially when you do binge a show,
and that's how I watched Breaking Bad, and this is how we're watching
you know, mind tunter. Ifeel like I get to like I put
myself in that situation and like whatwould I how would I handle that?
And how you know, there wasa line that Tench said where he was
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like talking about the situation. He'slike, and I'm trying to keep together
a marriage to a woman I love, Like they still love each other,
but they were put in this horriblesituation and they still love their kid.
But how do they fix it?You know? Like that is just it's
so much to grasp. And whenshe I think what hit me across the
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face was when she had that momentwhere of brutal honesty with Tinch where she
said, I had a moment whereI was looking at him after drawing him
off in the bath, and Isaid, thank God, he's not really
mine. Yeah. That is horrible, you know, doesn't you know?
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She didn't enjoy thinking that, No, but she had that thought. She
had to like get it out thatthat crossed her mind, that he like
he's broken, not because of anythingthat's broken in her right biologically right,
like her body is not broken.That passed it onto his broken body,
that kind of thing. But andthat just goes to show the weight of
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the mother because it's just different.I think it's different for a father in
some ways because I have no idea, I don't no, I'm just no.
I'm saying, like, in thatrespect of a mother like you,
You've carried this child inside of you, and so you know, there's always
that question of like, Okay,did I eat right? You know,
did I did I take care ofmyself while I was you know, keeping
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this child alive inside me? Andnow I need to keep this child alive
outside of me, and you know, like and also then make them into
a good human being. Did Iwatch Reservoir Dogs too many times while I
was carrying him? Right? Um? Whereas you know, she doesn't have
she she's able to kind of likelook past that part, but in a
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kind of a guilty way almost too. It's just it's a lot. It's
a lot on her shoulders. II hear people talk like you, okay
about like feeling the weight of acharacter and their situation. And there have
been times when I've seen a movieand I've cried, you know, like
I've little tears fall down because I'veconnected, like with when we the first
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movie we watched when we got homefrom the hospital was Arrival with Amy Adams,
and it was about her losing herdaughter right, and I'm like,
oh great, okay, here comesthe tears, right, here come the
water works right now. There's beentimes like that, but I've never watched
a show and carried it with me, really never, And I don't know
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about that. I think that youmight be underestimating. No, no,
no, like like you can't putyou don't put yourself in that situation.
I think I do, but I'mable, Like I turn it off and
then I'm back to going to workand getting a donut, you know,
Like I like lots of people giveBreaking Bad as an example, the same
example that you gave, Like,there was multiple people that I worked with
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when the show was on the air. I said, I was like,
hey, did you watch this episode? Did you watch the episode? They're
like, no, I had togive it up. It's too stressful.
Yeah, it's very stressful, andBreaking Bad was never stressful for me.
That's so interesting. It's just thepower of fiction is also its downfall for
me. Like I love fiction somuch, like I need I should read
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and consume more nonfiction, but Idon't. Um, But I love a
good story and I love storytelling,UM because I think it's a powerful thing
that can motivate people. Can UMcan make you think, can make you
act, it can make you putyourself in somebody else's shoes. Yeah,
and I love that. But atthe same time, I'm like, it's
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fiction, Like it's it's not real, it's not really happening right now.
Like the end of Black Klansmen whenSpike Lee used, um, all that
all that footage from the Tiki torch, you know, Nazi protests and everything
like that, and then he showed, um, the that person get killed
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by the car, like and thenlike he spliced all together and like,
um, you know all the newsfootage and all of the all the interviews
of people, you know, screamingand saying they're killing us. I I
was crying, positively crying at theend of that movie because that really happened,
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and it's happening now, and it'shappening now, and so that will
always affect me, like real lifethings will always affect me UM on a
much deeper visceral level than fiction.Okay, but again, like I said,
it doesn't mean that fiction doesn't touchme or doesn't motivate me or move
me. I will I'll connect witha fictional I'll connect with a fictional dog.
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You know, I can talk andfind its way home, um,
but just not in the same way. I don't know. I don't know
if you're giving yourself enough. Thinkof some examples where maybe I did you
know me better than anybody? Well, I think I think the thing is
is that I can't, like rightoff the top of my head, like
put put me out of the spot. But I'm I'm saying I think that
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it does influence you a little bitmore than you're giving a credit for.
But at the same time, Ido understand how you're able to compartmentalize a
little bit more than maybe I am. Yes, yes, that's true,
because I feel like even fiction,if that that thought isn't like hasn't entered
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into my head before and then itis put there, then that might dwell,
like I do dwell on it morethan you do. Like what like
like like the situation where you know, let's go back to season two,
or you know the fact that eventhough like um tench is a fictional character
based on you know, several differentpeople in the FBI at the time,
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just the idea of like what theywere going through as a couple, like
that made me sad and like Imade me like think, oh what if
something like that happened to us?You know what, how would we do
deal with that? So I feellike maybe I do put myself immediately into
those situations when those things arise,where I'm like whoa, Like they're dealing
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with it this way? Is thathow I would deal with it? Or
is it another way? Well?Yeah, I can understand that, and
I feel those things too. Iempathize and I asked those questions. But
when I go to work, likeI'm at my computer, I'm not like
slumped over thinking oh man, what'sBill going to do? How's he gonna
go? I'm not doing that.I'm just saying that in the moment,
Like I don't think I would wantto watch that season again because I would
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have to relive that, like andthink about that again. Like I guess
my way of compartmentalizing is not watchingthis season again. Well I'm with you
on that, but not because likenot for the same reasons. I just
feel like season one is more entertainingthe season two. I think it has
more rewatch value because of the interviews, where now we talked about how the
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interviews had discovery and there was muchmore like that episode was the interview was
that episode Like that was a bigchunk of the episode. Whatever interview it
was in season Oh, yes,okay, that was the main focus,
where like we're gonna go see thisperson, right, We're going to interview
this person. We're going to interviewSpack. We're going to interview Kemper,
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right, Kemper several times. Yeah, and the foot finish this guy multiple
times. And in season two,the interviews were almost an afterthought, like
it was something that was like intheir way, right, it was like,
well, we'll get to this andlet's go, we'll get to this
eventually. Building holding um just kindof you know like pushed it off to
the side in order to do realworld activities. And I feel like there
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was it was such a like thenames of Son of Sam and Manson are
so huge that you would think thatthey would have made it into a bigger
deal and barely spent any time withthem. Yeah, and it was it
felt like, oh, you guysphoned it in, you know, like
yeah, like not only really interestingyeah characters, Yeah, like everyone did.
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I mean yeah, it just feltit felt very like I felt kind
of like we were robbed of thoseinterviews, and there were even two interviews
with Holden and the guy from AtlantaI can't remember his name. He almost
got the job in season one andthen nepotism made it so he didn't get
the job. And he was interviewingwith with Holden with two people. Oh
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hey, is that his name?Wait? No, that was the one
where Olivia, uh, Olivia fromFringe yeah on a character. Um she
she interviewed Henley. I think no, Like I'm talking about the the agent,
the FBI agent, okay, theAfrican American. Yeah yeah, um
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Like there were two times in arow Holden's character gave up the interview and
it's just like okay, fine,whatever, and then closed it right,
and then this character picked it backup and actually learned something right, And
I'm like, well, where areyou? Yeah what We're watching this show
for you to do this? Likeit was I felt like his superior officer,
like, who the hell do youthink you are? This is your
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job, right, do your job? Yeah, I want to watch you
do your job. Yeah, Andwe didn't get that. And see you
mentioned this, but in season oneit was all about interviewing and then they
ended it with like two episodes ofpractice, like putting their their template to
work, like putting what they've learnedto field practice. And it was like
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two episodes one mystery, and inseason two it felt like it was mostly
that it was mostly the child murders, and like you said, it went
on so long and so many murdersand it didn't even give us any solution,
right, Well, yeah, Imean it did, but it didn't
right Like, so you know,we were talking off air, and you
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know, if you're gonna have ifyou're going to change up the show from
interviews to basically solving a case,then you have to have some resolution in
the case that you have them solved. Because first of all, you know,
it was a heart wrenching case withthe child murders, but then you
know they didn't really like the guythey arrested wasn't actually like in real life,
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wasn't charged with Like those are stillnot solved, Those crimes are still
not solved. So it's just reallyfrustrating. And I even we even talked
about the BTK killer, Like theBTK he you know, to use him
as like a framing device that likethroughout we see him season one and season
two is an odd choice as well, you know, just because you know,
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yes, they're searching for him,but those people are not going to
find no because if you you know, look up BTK, you find out
much much later, like by accident. He yeah, is revealed. So
it was it's like again, it'slike, why are you choosing these people
that you know? And maybe partof it is the fact that you know,
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like Kemper said, like good serialkillers get away with it. Well,
the way that he said it wasactually genius, he says, He's
it sounds like you're you're basing affything, you know, off of suilar killers
who've been caught. Yeah. Yeah, And again the most interesting interview of
season two was Kemper, and itwas a passing, a passing, a
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little interview and it was like,no, like you know what, give
me more him again? Man,It's true. And I mean I know
that some people are saying, like, well, you know, the the
Atlanta child murders actually happened, andit's not like they can change the ending.
We're not saying that. What we'resaying is choose something that can give
us actual resolution right to a season. Because I know that sometimes I know
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that some people might disagree with mehere where it's just like, well,
in real life, you don't alwaysget a solution, you don't always get
resolution. I e. Liked itand the child right, that's very true.
But we're also dealing with serialized televisionhere. We're dealing with a television
show that is meant to entertain andhave story structure. And when you have
something like this, resolution is good. Resolution is key, even if it's
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minor, even if the person getsaway, that's okay. There's got to
be some sort of resolution. Inseason one, I mean it ended with
Holden having a panic attack because Kempertries to hug them. I mean,
that's genius, that's amazing. Andbut previously they catch their killer, they
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put their practice to work in thefield and it works, and in this
one they put their practice to workand it doesn't work right. And it
kind of work, but it kindof doesn't but not really right. And
so if you're going to do thatfor an episode or two, that's fine
where it doesn't work, but itwas so many episodes. Don't give me
like over half the season of thisand then it not work or at least
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not it's just it's like we said, we totally get that's what happened.
Totally understand. But as a viewer, think about your audience and think about
what they liked about season one andreward them in some way, shape or
form with some resolution. Also wegot I was expecting to get a little
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bit more of on Anna Torp's character. Yeah, they kind of they completely
separated her and she was barely withShe was barely with them, and I
really enjoyed the three of them togetherand Um. And also they gave her
a relationship, like an interesting relationship, and yeah, took it away hard.
Yeah, and she was like ajerk. She was hard on that
woman. Yeah, Amazon, shewas too so hard. No, and
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like you were like, okay,like you know, give give her something,
you know, give her relationship.Awesome cool, and then like what
was the point? Yeah, Ihave no idea what the point is,
but like her something to do.If they gave like holding season one and
ten season two, maybe she willbe the main focus season three. Maybe
because it was interesting with her interviewlike her which she wasn't supposed to be
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doing, like having an interview withUM. I think it was Henley at
the time, and she succeeded inher interview to a point, and that
was interesting, like to see that, you know, she was successful in
the field, but we didn't reallyfocus on that, no, so you
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know, and there were moments thatwere interesting where you know, clearly because
she was an academic, she wasme put it in her place, or
because she's a woman she wasn't quitefitting in, or because or you know,
like people were hitting on her becauseshe is a woman, which is,
you know, something women have todo with all the time, and
even they're supposed to be a professionalenvironment, but I feel like they didn't
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really know what to do with her. For the most part, it felt
a little disconnected. It felt alittle like not only was she not with
them or even like researching or analyzingwhat they're doing, right, so she's
like she had nothing to do.She's literally just waiting the Atlanta child murder.
She didn't do a single thing forthem. And then she has a
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relationship that's not tied in with anythingelse or even related back to anything else,
and then they take it away atthe last minute with prejudice. It's
weird. Yeah, I don't knowwhat was going on there. Well,
and like when Bill like confided inher about his son, I thought,
well, is she going to somehowhelp because she has a background in psychology
or anything like that, you know, maybe she could help in some way
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or something. But it felt likeshe was just kind of a listening ear,
which was an odd choice too,because it felt like she would have
more insight. Yeah. Yeah,there was kind of wasted time with her.
There were some things that I justI did not enjoy about season two
overall. There was no like therewas no scenes where I was like,
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oh, this is pointless or thisis stupid, or this is a waste
of time. It's just an overallthing, like the direction of the season
or the direction of certain storylines whereI'm just kind of like, why did
you do that? Right? Whydo we spend so much time here versus
some more interesting yeah story aliance.It makes me wonder if there is going
to be a season three because ohmy god, Netflix just keeps canceling everything.
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Really, it's just they're canceling thingsafter two or three seasons, and
their algorithm is becoming a like amythological status where it's just not if you
don't get an audience right away,then you're not worth it, And so
they keep trying to They're throwing moneyat new series to try to keep people
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who are going to cancel or tryto get new subscribers, and by doing
that, they're kind of forsaking us, right, who are loyal subscribers,
right and have a handful of showsthat we really like. Right, It's
true and yeah, and so likethat's the thing is that like if they're
like House of Cards is off theair, thank goodness, but it's done.
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House of Cards is done. IfMine Hunter doesn't get a season three
and Santa Clarita is done, I'mblanking on some of our other favorites on
Netflix, but like those are thosewere three big things that we loved about
Netflix. And there's so it's almosta thing where there's so much content that
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it's hard to break through the noise. Now where something has to really stand
out, like something has to belike a stranger things right, where it
becomes a cultural phenomenon for us toeven notice it. It's true, It's
really true, which is unfortunate becauseI'm sure a lot of things go under
the radar. Which also scares meabout Mine Hunter because like I have one
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friend who talks about mind Hunter atwork and that's it where nobody else is
like standing around the water cooler likeGame of Thrones or something like that.
So if Netflix doesn't advertise it,right and no one's talking about it,
then is the only reason why they'redoing the show is because Fincher is a
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producer. It's possible, you know, it's possible. He's a he's a
major player in Hollywood and they wantto keep him happy for future projects.
I don't know if that's the reason. Fine, whatever, it takes,
whatever it takes to get a seasonthree, that's fine. Oh yeah,
but it's just yeah, yeah,it's just it didn't have the same spark.
It didn't excite us the same waythat season one did. And I
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think it goes down to the factthat they our our core group wasn't together.
They were separated most of the time. And also, um, the
content was a lot you know,they were they were solving a case versus
you know, interviewing subjects trying tosolve a case, right, not right?
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Yeah? Yeah, So, um, I think it's pretty clear how
we felt out season two versus seasonone. Yeah. Are you still I
mean, are you still interested inthe season three. Yeah, I would
still be interested in season three,but would I be as excited about it
coming out. Probably not. Yeah, I think originally it was palpable when
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season one came out. Yeah,we were just like, this is going
to be a great show, andit was. And then season two was
coming out, We're just like,Okay, we had reservations because of the
content, but it has the samegreat team, right, so this should
be good and now you know,maybe they'll surprise it was the season three.
I mean again, it wasn't likeit was a bad season. It
was not. Well no, it'sstill like I mean, I feel like
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it held its standards and I likethe show. I just felt like I
like season one more absolutely. Andthe thing is is that when you drop
a season at once and you bendit over one weekend, it's not so
much like, oh I like thisepisode more than that episode. It's just
like you start comparing seasons episodes justhow it is. Now. All right,
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We just got done finishing mine hundredseats in two season two, and that
is what we're going to be talkingabout today. Yeah, and we've been
itching itching to talk about this show. Let alone watch the show because would
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you agree that this was your favoriteshow of last year season one? Oh
yeah, definitely. It came outlast year, right, it feels like
it was forever ago. I knowit does, right? Did Wait?
It didn't come out in twenty sixteen. He came out in twenty seventeen.
I mean, oh wait, no, I'm a year off. He came
out in twenty eighteen, right,eighteen, Yeah, I think that was
a while ago. My goodness,I'm so so out of it. But
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for those of you who who don'tknow, if this is your first time
listening. We are huge David Fincherfans. He's our favorite director and he
directed several episodes Season three, episodetwo, Yeah, which is season We
didn't realize that going in, sothat was really exciting. Yeah. Absolutely,
and it's uh, it was likewhen season one aired or dropped.
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I guess you need to say inthe netflace. We were super excited because
you and I and I want tosay this. I mean we love material
on serial Killers, yes, likeI hate it when people say, oh
I love serial killers. No,No, No, that's not how that
works, right, right, notlove serial killers material on serial Killers.
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Right, It's fascinating, Yes,we find it fascinating. We find the
hunt for the serial killer fascinating,the psychological profile, the good guys overcoming
evil that is serial Killers, right, that's what we enjoy. It's not
some sort of sick and twisted bullcrap that you see online where people are
like, oh my god, TedBundy so hot. Shut up, you're
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disgusting, you disgusted me that you'renot going to find any of that.
No, No, we're just youknow, I think season one we really
appreciate the way that they told thestory of basically how they started defining serial
killers and the fact that that didn'texist before then. It's just kind of
fascinating because it's such a part ofour culture now and just you know,
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we always talk about serial killers,is you know, like, oh,
well they didn't have a term forthat back yea, even the terms they
didn't even have a term. Yeah, just the term serial killer, right,
and even the idea of like,well, let's categorize these people why
they're doing what they're doing, ortheir background or you know, the type
of killings that they're doing. Soseason one was we love season one.
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It was fascinating. Yeah, Ifeel like all the actors just did an
absolutely amazing job, from you know, Graff who played Holden to the guy
who played tench and a tourv.They just they were the dream team.
Yeah, absolutely, the three ofthem together, Yes, was just absolutely
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fantastic. Yeah, and I thinkthey really propelled the show forward now season
and it felt like Fincher. Theyhad the essence of Fincher, you know
that, the deeper tones and justlike the content and the writing was darker
colors. Yes, exactly, Sowe were completely on board for that season.
Yeah. I think that was onething that we really dug about House
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of Cards when it first dropped wasthe first couple of episodes you could tell
like, oh, yeah, thisis a Fincher show, right, They're
trying to make the show look likeFincher, right, And um it was
funny because I think Fincher stopped,like with House of Cards, Fincher stopped
being like heavily involved by season threeof House of Cards, and you could
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absolutely tell, oh yeah, youcould really really tell and in everything everything,
like in style, direction, tone, writing, everything, And with
season two you could you're you werewhen you first started watching, You're just
kind of like, Okay, thankgoodness, Like it's clearly it's Fincher because
he's the one director the first threeepisodes, right, and then of of
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you're talking about mind of Mine Hunters. Yeah, And but as Mine Hunter
was going on, you started seeingthe style change up a little bit more
and it's like, oh, we'regoing further and yeah, absolutely, yeah,
it's very interesting. But I stillfeel like his hand is in this
one obvious yes. So yeah,yeah, So with season two, like
what were you hoping to see whenyou when we first actually we first heard
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the season two was was happening beforewe saw anything, you know, like,
yeah, they really don't promote MineHunter that much. No, they
don't, not at all, whichis interesting. Um, it makes you
wonder how popular it is because welove it so much and we were like
anticipating it so much. But maybeit's not as popular as we think,
(05:30):
but we're still going to talk aboutit because we love it. Uh yeah.
I basically when we ended the seasonone, I was like, well,
this is just so fantastic because there'sso many serial killers to interview,
so let's just get more of seasonone. And I feel like that tends
to be our answer for a lotof things that we love. It's true
(05:53):
where it's like, Okay, youdid a really good job in season when
to just keep doing what you're doingtoo so much because it's basically just it's
the same thing, right, It'sthe same thing. So uh yeah,
that's what we wanted. Um whatabout you? Yeah, I was probably
probably the same. Yeah, Iwas just more interviews. Loved season one
so much. There was just therewere so many great interactions and I think
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the only thing I really didn't digon in season one was Holden's girlfriend,
and she wasn't going to be inseason two, so I'm like that,
but yeah, it was. Iwas pretty much the same as you.
It's just like, just give memore, like I said, give me
more interviews, Just give me thesame amount of interviews, make him just
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as in depth. Just keep himcoming. Yeah, and I'll be happy
because definitely the Kemper interviews were themost fascinating from season one. So I
mean that actor, yeah, sofantastic. So it was like, Okay,
if you can give this more likethat, that would be fantastic.
But then the trailer came out anduh me a little nervous because it was
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all about child murders, it seemedfrom the trailer. So that was a
little bit like oh, like,I mean, yes, we totally understand,
you know, like sterilo colors killall different types of people, but
the fact that it was about childmurders, it's like it's just that feeling
of like, oh, I don'tknow about this, and like, you
know, in season one it definitelydealt with all types of murders, but
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with season two, it looked likethere was going to be a heavy focus
specifically on child murders, and alot of child murders, right and with
us being parents. Now, Imean, you don't have to be a
parent, no tou to have feelingsto empathize that. But it just it
it makes us weary to watch somemere tario. That's what I mean,
not like, oh well, wefeel it more. We're not saying that,
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we're saying that it's it just hitsus a little differently. Now.
Yeah, that we're parents, absolutely, that's all that I mean. Yeah,
And it's a and so that Iwas was worried about that. But
at the same time that Mine Hunterwas kind of made a name for itself
in not showing things, and Iwas glad to see that they continued doing
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that. Were season two, itwas all discussion and some photos there was
even less gruesome. There was wayless gruesome photos from season two, It's
true, as opposed to season one, and they just kind of saw some
aftermath and talked about it, andeven the aftermath was very hidden. And
I think that season two, interms of gore or grotesque conversation or description
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of events was even less intense thanseason one. And I'm not saying that
as a bad thing. Yes,And yet the content of it being children,
it's almost like they compensated in thatway because you know, there's some
really disturbing incidents of murder in itthat kind of kind of prey on your
mind, so they didn't need toshow anything for you to think about it
(09:00):
at night. Um. So Ido think that they are very tactful though
of how much they show in theshow, and I really do respect that
because it's still powerful and you stillunderstand what happened without showing us all these
gory photos. And in a dayand age when streaming has introduced, like
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streaming was the new wave of HBOand Cinemax and everything like that, where
there was no FCC. That's notthe right word, like there's no there's
no rules. Yeah, there's rules, like you can do whatever the hell
you want. And a lot ofstreaming shows just out of the gate were
just like shows on HBO where itjust went over the top because you can,
because you can. And that's thething so much, so much crap
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that's on the air is because youcan. It doesn't motivate plot, it's
not motivated by a plot. Itdoesn't push the story forward. It's just
like, oh, well we canshow a death orgy, so let's just
go ahead and do that right becausethere's no sensors and so it's showing restraint
is the new bold in the inthe age of streaming. Yeah, and
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there was so many times when evenlittle things where um, I'm not spoiling
anything here, but in season twothere was a character who was shot in
the head or face multiple times andsurvived and he had a lot of reconstructive
surgery and the director, I can'tremember if his fincher or not, I
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think it was. He was inthe backseat of a car and the two
people in front weren't looking at himbecause they didn't want him to look.
He didn't want him to see him, and the camera did not show him.
It was either blurred or shadow orthe window reflection of a window,
or his head was turned. AndI thought it would have been so easy
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to get some quote unquote grotesque pointsto show his face, and they didn't.
It was even though we're dealing withI don't know if this person was
based on a real person or not. Um, you probably was because it
was, Oh it was a btker, so yeah, it would have been
based on somebody real. It waseven though it was a fictional portrayal.
It felt respectful. It did.It did, absolutely, and I think
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that maybe that's why they are sotactful with what they show and they don't
show, because these are real peoplewho did die and serial killers that did
kill. So you know that lineof not you know, being disrespectful to
the dead, but also not immortalizingthese killers that probably just wanted the attention
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to begin with, you know,I think, yeah, creating a myth
type of things. So I thinkthat it's really interesting how they handle that
type of material, right, Ithink that's a really astute observation. I
think just the sheer fact that we'renot we're dealing with fictionalized versions of events
because we're dealing with fictional characters basedon real people, right, So you
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still have that aspect where you bringin their personal lives, you bring in
their personalities and things like that,but they're still dealing with real world events,
right, real world victims. Andthat is important, absolutely, Yeah,
to understand that distinction because you dosomething that's I mean, you can
get away with a whole lot morein The Girl with a Dragon Tattoo than
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you can with Zodiac, right inthat terms, because in Dragon Tattoo you're
not dealing with real people. InZodiac, you are dealing with real victims,
right, exactly. Yeah, that'sinteresting, and I mean I think
Fincher does that right, Like whenit comes to fiction, I think he
goes a little bit more extreme.But in Zodiac it was very Well,
that's not true. It's been awhile since you've seen Zodiac. Okay,
(12:46):
I don't like Zodiac as much.So well, they're okay. So here's
the thing is that, like,maybe that wouldn't have been Maybe that wasn't
the best example that I gave you, because Zodiac does get pretty gruesome.
But nope, I can't defend.You can't defend. I totally lose my
point. I'm not even gonna trythe back pedal. I was just straight
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up anyway. It was season twoanyway, season two of Mine Hunter.
Yes, but we respect that becauseI think that that does go to the
fact that, like we're not lookingto see gory details, We're just interested
in the human story of it.Yes, the psychological aspects of it.
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Why do they do what they do, how the BSU is thriving, how
they're changing what they're doing, andeverything like that. It's uh, yeah,
that like to see Anna towards characteragain, the psychological perspective Tench's character,
you know, like being a manager, like he's you know, he's
he's Holden's boss, but sometimes hedoesn't always act like it because he needs
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to let him do what he needsto do, right except when he gets
out of line. We got anew BSU director that's really fascinating into sun
Um Gunner or gun Gun Tim Gunn. That would be an interesting show that
season three, tim Gun runs theBSU. It Uh, yeah, it's
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just I felt like they were interestingnew developments, and I feel like you
can't really talk about without spoiling things. Yea, So we probably need to
get into it. We probably do, And so if you haven't seen season
two, I mean we when theseseasons drop, we try to watch them
as fast as possible while still enjoyingthem to get you this review as soon
(14:35):
as as soon as we can.I know that it's been spotty over the
past couple of weeks. We've we'vetalked to you guys as to why that's
going on, and it's uh,if you haven't seen it yet, saved
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into spoiler territory? Yes, okay, okay, So, because this is
based on real events, it's it'syou know, it's hard to spoil certain
outcomes, but there it's historical outcomes, but you can, we can spoil
things that happen in the show betweenthe characters. Right, So if you
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if you're listening this far, we'reassuming you've seen it, right, So
spoiler alert, spoiler alert. Whatwas what was the thing that you like
the most about season two so far? I don't even know why I said,
so far, we've seen, we'veseen the whole thing. Um,
it was probably the moments when itfelt more like season one where um holding
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intent we're together, um, Billand holding we're together, because I think
that that's really what me season oneso enjoyable was kind of seeing them go
off of one another, and especiallyan interrogation type situation where they were I
think in season two it was moreactually them interrogating people, whereas in season
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one it was them interviewing subjects.So it was just interesting to see more
of like their cop side or likeyou know, maybe they're beginnings, but
I definitely wish that we had seenmore of that, because that was what
made season one so great in mymind. Yeah, you could definitely tell
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that they were I mean, thatwas a conscious decision. And I don't
know if they were trying something newor they were trying to move away from
what they did in season one orjust not repeat themselves so it's not just
the same thing over and over again. But I missed it. Yeah,
I did too. I want togo back and I watched season one now
and season two I don't know.I don't know if I would feel the
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need to. I won't feel asmuch of a need to watch it again.
I didn't think about that until yousaid that, And I feel the
same way. I feel like seasontwo is good. Yeah, I think
it delivered. I thought it wasinteresting. I thought the performances were great.
I love that we focus more onTench in his family more than Holden.
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I feel like you definitely focused onHolden's season one in season one and
inter relationships and yeah, yeah,and you still got Tench's family life in
season one, but he was byfar the person that they focused on the
most. Yes, when you sawthe advertisement in the trailer four season two,
there was a roor shack design withthe characters and Tench was dead center.
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And when I saw that, Iwas just like, wait, Like
you'd think that Holden would be center, because he was very much the lead
in season one. Tench, thiswas his season, This was his season.
Yeah, And I think that maybepart of it. I know,
this sounds kind of weird, andI don't know, but maybe it's because
of the content that I wouldn't wantto watch it necessarily again, just because
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it does deal with like the heartacheof child murders, and like, not
that there's not heartache with any kindof murder, don't get me wrong here,
but because it was like an ongoinginvestigation, it felt a lot more
heavy and a lot more stressful thanwhen they were just for academic purposes going
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to these serial killers who had killedyears prior. Yeah, it's already happened.
It's already happened. There, alreadythere's closure, right like they have
they have been punished for their crime. Whereas the fact that there were the
ongoing murder of the Atlanta children.You know that that's a lot to deal
with. And every time, likethe news popped up and it was like
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another child you can see like themjust like their hearts sank and you did
two with them because what they weredoing was not working, And so that
frustration level whereas you know, there'sdefinitely more conflict in this season, whereas
season one was much more like,all right, we're just gonna get in
the car and drive across the countryand interview these really weird, messed up
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people and have these weird interactions,whereas season two felt much more like your
heart was in it, like you'relike, oh, and especially Tench's family
a situation with their child, LikeI mean, I can't even fathom like
that situation. I think that that'swhy like having a kid, and even
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if you don't have a kid,like fathoming having someone in your family,
let alone your child participating in amurderer is like that is just like too
much to put my head around.So I'm like, I don't know if
I want to revisit that storyline thatactually because I can't wrap my head around.
It didn't bother me that much.Oh, it bothered me immensely like
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because it is so it is socrazy to me, it is so far
out of left field. I can'teven imagine it happening within my own circle.
That is how crazy it is tome. Okay, I'm not saying
like I'm saying to me, Iwas just kind of I felt bad for
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tench Yeah, I felt bad forthe family. Obviously it was a horrible
situation. But that was one ofthose times where I was able to go
it's fiction, you know, it'sokay, interesting interesting. See for me,
that was too like, you know, the idea that they you know,
they couldn't have their own child,you know, which is something we
don't. Well, we were ableto have our own child, but like
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you know, we had trouble conceiving, and then they went to adoption and
just you know, and then whenthey've they finally had their baby that they
wanted, and then this whole situationhappens where you know, they're having to
go social workers all the time andyou know, basically prove that their parents
are they're they're good enough parents forthis child, and you know, not
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to have a repeat situation happen,you know, And thankfully he wasn't like
directly involved, but still enough thatyou're like, yeah, completely, your
whole life changes. Because if hedid it, like if he committed the
murder, then we would have justwritten him off as a character, right,
it would have been like, oh, well, this kid needs to
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being a padded cell, you know, he needs to be with a psychiatrist
twenty four seven. But because hewas a passive observer, right, we
were like, Okay, well,what's wrong? Like if you're he's not
right, he's not right, buthow can we get him help? How
can we fix this? Exactly?M Yeah, and just that like the
it kind of whenever I watched Ithink it's like maybe season two of Breaking
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Bad, or Skyler and Just andum well or just their marriage is just
falling apart, like you know,the cancer is going on, and you
know they're just not communicating. Likewhen I watched that for the first time,
I was like seriously depressed. Andit just because you get so involved
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with the characters that you're watching,and especially when you do binge a show,
and that's how I watched Breaking Bad, and this is how we're watching
you know, mind tunter. Ifeel like I get to like I put
myself in that situation and like whatwould I how would I handle that?
And how you know, there wasa line that Tench said where he was
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like talking about the situation. He'slike, and I'm trying to keep together
a marriage to a woman I love, Like they still love each other,
but they were put in this horriblesituation and they still love their kid.
But how do they fix it?You know? Like that is just it's
so much to grasp. And whenshe I think what hit me across the
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face was when she had that momentwhere of brutal honesty with Tinch where she
said, I had a moment whereI was looking at him after drawing him
off in the bath, and Isaid, thank God, he's not really
mine. Yeah. That is horrible, you know, doesn't you know?
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She didn't enjoy thinking that, No, but she had that thought. She
had to like get it out thatthat crossed her mind, that he like
he's broken, not because of anythingthat's broken in her right biologically right,
like her body is not broken.That passed it onto his broken body,
that kind of thing. But andthat just goes to show the weight of
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the mother because it's just different.I think it's different for a father in
some ways because I have no idea, I don't no, I'm just no.
I'm saying, like, in thatrespect of a mother like you,
You've carried this child inside of you, and so you know, there's always
that question of like, Okay,did I eat right? You know,
did I did I take care ofmyself while I was you know, keeping
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this child alive inside me? Andnow I need to keep this child alive
outside of me, and you know, like and also then make them into
a good human being. Did Iwatch Reservoir Dogs too many times while I
was carrying him? Right? Um? Whereas you know, she doesn't have
she she's able to kind of likelook past that part, but in a
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kind of a guilty way almost too. It's just it's a lot. It's
a lot on her shoulders. II hear people talk like you, okay
about like feeling the weight of acharacter and their situation. And there have
been times when I've seen a movieand I've cried, you know, like
I've little tears fall down because I'veconnected, like with when we the first
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movie we watched when we got homefrom the hospital was Arrival with Amy Adams,
and it was about her losing herdaughter right, and I'm like,
oh great, okay, here comesthe tears, right, here come the
water works right now. There's beentimes like that, but I've never watched
a show and carried it with me, really never, And I don't know
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about that. I think that youmight be underestimating. No, no,
no, like like you can't putyou don't put yourself in that situation.
I think I do, but I'mable, Like I turn it off and
then I'm back to going to workand getting a donut, you know,
Like I like lots of people giveBreaking Bad as an example, the same
example that you gave, Like,there was multiple people that I worked with
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when the show was on the air. I said, I was like,
hey, did you watch this episode? Did you watch the episode? They're
like, no, I had togive it up. It's too stressful.
Yeah, it's very stressful, andBreaking Bad was never stressful for me.
That's so interesting. It's just thepower of fiction is also its downfall for
me. Like I love fiction somuch, like I need I should read
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and consume more nonfiction, but Idon't. Um, But I love a
good story and I love storytelling,UM because I think it's a powerful thing
that can motivate people. Can UMcan make you think, can make you
act, it can make you putyourself in somebody else's shoes. Yeah,
and I love that. But atthe same time, I'm like, it's
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fiction, Like it's it's not real, it's not really happening right now.
Like the end of Black Klansmen whenSpike Lee used, um, all that
all that footage from the Tiki torch, you know, Nazi protests and everything
like that, and then he showed, um, the that person get killed
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by the car, like and thenlike he spliced all together and like,
um, you know all the newsfootage and all of the all the interviews
of people, you know, screamingand saying they're killing us. I I
was crying, positively crying at theend of that movie because that really happened,
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and it's happening now, and it'shappening now, and so that will
always affect me, like real lifethings will always affect me UM on a
much deeper visceral level than fiction.Okay, but again, like I said,
it doesn't mean that fiction doesn't touchme or doesn't motivate me or move
me. I will I'll connect witha fictional I'll connect with a fictional dog.
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You know, I can talk andfind its way home, um,
but just not in the same way. I don't know. I don't know
if you're giving yourself enough. Thinkof some examples where maybe I did you
know me better than anybody? Well, I think I think the thing is
is that I can't, like rightoff the top of my head, like
put put me out of the spot. But I'm I'm saying I think that
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it does influence you a little bitmore than you're giving a credit for.
But at the same time, Ido understand how you're able to compartmentalize a
little bit more than maybe I am. Yes, yes, that's true,
because I feel like even fiction,if that that thought isn't like hasn't entered
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into my head before and then itis put there, then that might dwell,
like I do dwell on it morethan you do. Like what like
like like the situation where you know, let's go back to season two,
or you know the fact that eventhough like um tench is a fictional character
based on you know, several differentpeople in the FBI at the time,
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just the idea of like what theywere going through as a couple, like
that made me sad and like Imade me like think, oh what if
something like that happened to us?You know what, how would we do
deal with that? So I feellike maybe I do put myself immediately into
those situations when those things arise,where I'm like whoa, Like they're dealing
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with it this way? Is thathow I would deal with it? Or
is it another way? Well?Yeah, I can understand that, and
I feel those things too. Iempathize and I asked those questions. But
when I go to work, likeI'm at my computer, I'm not like
slumped over thinking oh man, what'sBill going to do? How's he gonna
go? I'm not doing that.I'm just saying that in the moment,
Like I don't think I would wantto watch that season again because I would
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have to relive that, like andthink about that again. Like I guess
my way of compartmentalizing is not watchingthis season again. Well I'm with you
on that, but not because likenot for the same reasons. I just
feel like season one is more entertainingthe season two. I think it has
more rewatch value because of the interviews, where now we talked about how the
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interviews had discovery and there was muchmore like that episode was the interview was
that episode Like that was a bigchunk of the episode. Whatever interview it
was in season Oh, yes,okay, that was the main focus,
where like we're gonna go see thisperson, right, We're going to interview
this person. We're going to interviewSpack. We're going to interview Kemper,
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right, Kemper several times. Yeah, and the foot finish this guy multiple
times. And in season two,the interviews were almost an afterthought, like
it was something that was like intheir way, right, it was like,
well, we'll get to this andlet's go, we'll get to this
eventually. Building holding um just kindof you know like pushed it off to
the side in order to do realworld activities. And I feel like there
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was it was such a like thenames of Son of Sam and Manson are
so huge that you would think thatthey would have made it into a bigger
deal and barely spent any time withthem. Yeah, and it was it
felt like, oh, you guysphoned it in, you know, like
yeah, like not only really interestingyeah characters, Yeah, like everyone did.
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I mean yeah, it just feltit felt very like I felt kind
of like we were robbed of thoseinterviews, and there were even two interviews
with Holden and the guy from AtlantaI can't remember his name. He almost
got the job in season one andthen nepotism made it so he didn't get
the job. And he was interviewingwith with Holden with two people. Oh
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hey, is that his name?Wait? No, that was the one
where Olivia, uh, Olivia fromFringe yeah on a character. Um she
she interviewed Henley. I think no, Like I'm talking about the the agent,
the FBI agent, okay, theAfrican American. Yeah yeah, um
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Like there were two times in arow Holden's character gave up the interview and
it's just like okay, fine,whatever, and then closed it right,
and then this character picked it backup and actually learned something right, And
I'm like, well, where areyou? Yeah what We're watching this show
for you to do this? Likeit was I felt like his superior officer,
like, who the hell do youthink you are? This is your
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job, right, do your job? Yeah, I want to watch you
do your job. Yeah, Andwe didn't get that. And see you
mentioned this, but in season oneit was all about interviewing and then they
ended it with like two episodes ofpractice, like putting their their template to
work, like putting what they've learnedto field practice. And it was like
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two episodes one mystery, and inseason two it felt like it was mostly
that it was mostly the child murders, and like you said, it went
on so long and so many murdersand it didn't even give us any solution,
right, Well, yeah, Imean it did, but it didn't
right Like, so you know,we were talking off air, and you
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know, if you're gonna have ifyou're going to change up the show from
interviews to basically solving a case,then you have to have some resolution in
the case that you have them solved. Because first of all, you know,
it was a heart wrenching case withthe child murders, but then you
know they didn't really like the guythey arrested wasn't actually like in real life,
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wasn't charged with Like those are stillnot solved, Those crimes are still
not solved. So it's just reallyfrustrating. And I even we even talked
about the BTK killer, Like theBTK he you know, to use him
as like a framing device that likethroughout we see him season one and season
two is an odd choice as well, you know, just because you know,
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yes, they're searching for him,but those people are not going to
find no because if you you know, look up BTK, you find out
much much later, like by accident. He yeah, is revealed. So
it was it's like again, it'slike, why are you choosing these people
that you know? And maybe partof it is the fact that you know,
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like Kemper said, like good serialkillers get away with it. Well,
the way that he said it wasactually genius, he says, He's
it sounds like you're you're basing affything, you know, off of suilar killers
who've been caught. Yeah. Yeah, And again the most interesting interview of
season two was Kemper, and itwas a passing, a passing, a
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little interview and it was like,no, like you know what, give
me more him again? Man,It's true. And I mean I know
that some people are saying, like, well, you know, the the
Atlanta child murders actually happened, andit's not like they can change the ending.
We're not saying that. What we'resaying is choose something that can give
us actual resolution right to a season. Because I know that sometimes I know
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that some people might disagree with mehere where it's just like, well,
in real life, you don't alwaysget a solution, you don't always get
resolution. I e. Liked itand the child right, that's very true.
But we're also dealing with serialized televisionhere. We're dealing with a television
show that is meant to entertain andhave story structure. And when you have
something like this, resolution is good. Resolution is key, even if it's
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minor, even if the person getsaway, that's okay. There's got to
be some sort of resolution. Inseason one, I mean it ended with
Holden having a panic attack because Kempertries to hug them. I mean,
that's genius, that's amazing. Andbut previously they catch their killer, they
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put their practice to work in thefield and it works, and in this
one they put their practice to workand it doesn't work right. And it
kind of work, but it kindof doesn't but not really right. And
so if you're going to do thatfor an episode or two, that's fine
where it doesn't work, but itwas so many episodes. Don't give me
like over half the season of thisand then it not work or at least
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not it's just it's like we said, we totally get that's what happened.
Totally understand. But as a viewer, think about your audience and think about
what they liked about season one andreward them in some way, shape or
form with some resolution. Also wegot I was expecting to get a little
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bit more of on Anna Torp's character. Yeah, they kind of they completely
separated her and she was barely withShe was barely with them, and I
really enjoyed the three of them togetherand Um. And also they gave her
a relationship, like an interesting relationship, and yeah, took it away hard.
Yeah, and she was like ajerk. She was hard on that
woman. Yeah, Amazon, shewas too so hard. No, and
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like you were like, okay,like you know, give give her something,
you know, give her relationship.Awesome cool, and then like what
was the point? Yeah, Ihave no idea what the point is,
but like her something to do.If they gave like holding season one and
ten season two, maybe she willbe the main focus season three. Maybe
because it was interesting with her interviewlike her which she wasn't supposed to be
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doing, like having an interview withUM. I think it was Henley at
the time, and she succeeded inher interview to a point, and that
was interesting, like to see that, you know, she was successful in
the field, but we didn't reallyfocus on that, no, so you
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know, and there were moments thatwere interesting where you know, clearly because
she was an academic, she wasme put it in her place, or
because she's a woman she wasn't quitefitting in, or because or you know,
like people were hitting on her becauseshe is a woman, which is,
you know, something women have todo with all the time, and
even they're supposed to be a professionalenvironment, but I feel like they didn't
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really know what to do with her. For the most part, it felt
a little disconnected. It felt alittle like not only was she not with
them or even like researching or analyzingwhat they're doing, right, so she's
like she had nothing to do.She's literally just waiting the Atlanta child murder.
She didn't do a single thing forthem. And then she has a
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relationship that's not tied in with anythingelse or even related back to anything else,
and then they take it away atthe last minute with prejudice. It's
weird. Yeah, I don't knowwhat was going on there. Well,
and like when Bill like confided inher about his son, I thought,
well, is she going to somehowhelp because she has a background in psychology
or anything like that, you know, maybe she could help in some way
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or something. But it felt likeshe was just kind of a listening ear,
which was an odd choice too,because it felt like she would have
more insight. Yeah. Yeah,there was kind of wasted time with her.
There were some things that I justI did not enjoy about season two
overall. There was no like therewas no scenes where I was like,
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oh, this is pointless or thisis stupid, or this is a waste
of time. It's just an overallthing, like the direction of the season
or the direction of certain storylines whereI'm just kind of like, why did
you do that? Right? Whydo we spend so much time here versus
some more interesting yeah story aliance.It makes me wonder if there is going
to be a season three because ohmy god, Netflix just keeps canceling everything.
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Really, it's just they're canceling thingsafter two or three seasons, and
their algorithm is becoming a like amythological status where it's just not if you
don't get an audience right away,then you're not worth it, And so
they keep trying to They're throwing moneyat new series to try to keep people
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who are going to cancel or tryto get new subscribers, and by doing
that, they're kind of forsaking us, right, who are loyal subscribers,
right and have a handful of showsthat we really like. Right, It's
true and yeah, and so likethat's the thing is that like if they're
like House of Cards is off theair, thank goodness, but it's done.
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House of Cards is done. IfMine Hunter doesn't get a season three
and Santa Clarita is done, I'mblanking on some of our other favorites on
Netflix, but like those are thosewere three big things that we loved about
Netflix. And there's so it's almosta thing where there's so much content that
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it's hard to break through the noise. Now where something has to really stand
out, like something has to belike a stranger things right, where it
becomes a cultural phenomenon for us toeven notice it. It's true, It's
really true, which is unfortunate becauseI'm sure a lot of things go under
the radar. Which also scares meabout Mine Hunter because like I have one
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friend who talks about mind Hunter atwork and that's it where nobody else is
like standing around the water cooler likeGame of Thrones or something like that.
So if Netflix doesn't advertise it,right and no one's talking about it,
then is the only reason why they'redoing the show is because Fincher is a
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producer. It's possible, you know, it's possible. He's a he's a
major player in Hollywood and they wantto keep him happy for future projects.
I don't know if that's the reason. Fine, whatever, it takes,
whatever it takes to get a seasonthree, that's fine. Oh yeah,
but it's just yeah, yeah,it's just it didn't have the same spark.
It didn't excite us the same waythat season one did. And I
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think it goes down to the factthat they our our core group wasn't together.
They were separated most of the time. And also, um, the
content was a lot you know,they were they were solving a case versus
you know, interviewing subjects trying tosolve a case, right, not right?
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Yeah? Yeah, So, um, I think it's pretty clear how
we felt out season two versus seasonone. Yeah. Are you still I
mean, are you still interested inthe season three. Yeah, I would
still be interested in season three,but would I be as excited about it
coming out. Probably not. Yeah, I think originally it was palpable when
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season one came out. Yeah,we were just like, this is going
to be a great show, andit was. And then season two was
coming out, We're just like,Okay, we had reservations because of the
content, but it has the samegreat team, right, so this should
be good and now you know,maybe they'll surprise it was the season three.
I mean again, it wasn't likeit was a bad season. It
was not. Well no, it'sstill like I mean, I feel like
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it held its standards and I likethe show. I just felt like I
like season one more absolutely. Andthe thing is is that when you drop
a season at once and you bendit over one weekend, it's not so
much like, oh I like thisepisode more than that episode. It's just
like you start comparing seasons episodes justhow it is. Now. All right,
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Well that was our show. Thatwas our review of season two of
Mine Hunter. That was our discussionlet us know what you think. Yeah,
we talked about it at the topof the show of where you can
go and what you can do.Please let us know. You can find
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well. And there's so many differentthings on the network for you guys to
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