Annabel Joseph

Annabel Joseph is a NYT and USA Today Bestselling BDSM romance author. You can find everything about her and her books at www.annabeljoseph.com

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is the Never too Old for a Good Spanking Podcast.

Speaker 2 (00:07):
Put the hands up front, stick that butt out, stick
it out.

Speaker 1 (00:13):
Yes, sir, I need a spade. I need a guy spade.
I need a guy spade. I need.

Speaker 2 (00:25):
Hey, everybody, Welcome to another episode of the Never Too
Old for a Good Spanking Podcast. Now, my guest tonight
is a fifty ish young lady. She is from Georgia.
She is a New York Times in USA Today best
selling BDSM romance author. If I would like to welcome

(00:47):
her to the podcast right now. Annabelle Joseph, how are
you doing today.

Speaker 1 (00:53):
I'm doing great. It's wonderful to be on your podcast today.

Speaker 2 (00:57):
I appreciate you for doing this. I appreciate everyone for
actually wanting to do this. I'm glad you said yes
to me. But there is a question I need to
ask you right now. Okay, before I messaged you, had
you ever heard of this podcast?

Speaker 1 (01:12):
I actually hadn't, But as soon as you messaged me,
I went and listened to several episodes and it was
really fun.

Speaker 2 (01:20):
Are you just saying that because you want to continue
with this podcast or do you really mean that?

Speaker 1 (01:26):
No? I really mean it as an author. What I
think excites me the most besides participating in the lifestyle
myself is finding out what makes other people tick, what
they get out of it, what turns them on. So
in that way, it was really fun to listen to.

(01:47):
I was glad you contacted me.

Speaker 2 (01:49):
I saw your page and I said, you know what,
this would be an interesting interview, and so far, so good. OK,
but you know, the jury's still out on it, so
let's get right into it.

Speaker 1 (02:00):
Just because let's see how it goes.

Speaker 2 (02:03):
So, besides writing, what are some of your favorite vanilla hobbies?

Speaker 1 (02:07):
We had discussed how I record everything in my closet.
So my closet is actually a craft closet. I'm a
big crafter and I was actually kind of measuring out
some material for a little dress I'm making, So that's
one of my big hobbies. And my other huge hobby
is choral singing. It's group singing, and I've enjoyed doing

(02:31):
that for many years, and I also practiced that in
this little closet, so I spend a lot of time
in the closet.

Speaker 2 (02:40):
What is your favorite music genre.

Speaker 1 (02:43):
I'm very eclectic, so I enjoy electronic dance music on
the one hand, but On the other hand, I love
choral music, classical music, some classical choral music, some modern
choral music. I also love Broadway music. I'm super big
broad and people who read my books know that I'm

(03:03):
a super big ballet person also, so I have several
books set in the ballet world, which there's a lot
to be said for masochism and ballet going together perfectly.

Speaker 2 (03:16):
We are definitely going to get into your books very soon.
I have a lot of questions about those, But I
did notice that you had one thing on your page
that I needed to ask you about. When it comes
to chicken wings, boneless or bone in.

Speaker 1 (03:32):
Bone in and flats.

Speaker 2 (03:35):
Only, really, why is that.

Speaker 1 (03:38):
I find drumsticks super disgusting because they have all the
cartilage stuff on the end.

Speaker 2 (03:46):
I actually love the drumsticks, but I could do the flats.
I could have it either way. I also like boneless,
but if I'm out with the guys, you gotta do
bone in.

Speaker 1 (03:54):
I have a couple of friends and when they ate
chicken wings, they put the whole wing in their mouth
and then they pull out the bones and they're just
bare bones, and I'm so disgusted.

Speaker 2 (04:08):
Depending on the size of the wing, I will put
the whole thing in my mouth, but I do not
like the crunchiness of the cartilage either. I definitely prefer
me only, but sometimes I do put that whole thing
in my mouth. In it doesn't come out completely clean,
but I do put the whole thing in my mouth.
So at times I am probably what you consider disgusting.

(04:32):
Are you in a relationship?

Speaker 1 (04:33):
I am. I've actually been married. We celebrated our twenty
fifth anniversary last year. Wow, which seems crazy.

Speaker 2 (04:44):
How did you two meet?

Speaker 1 (04:46):
I started out as a kindergarten teacher, believe it or not,
and my husband was in the Navy. And what happened
was one of the kindergarten teachers I worked with started
dating the navy guys. And so overwhelmingly elementary school teachers
are female, and overwhelmingly they were summarine naval officers, so

(05:09):
they were mostly male. And so I think three or
four engagements and marriages resulted from us just kind of
meeting and hanging out and dating.

Speaker 2 (05:20):
When I was a firefighter, we used to go out
on Fridays because we knew at happy hour on Fridays
all of the teachers would also be out. And like
you said, there were a lot of female teachers.

Speaker 1 (05:33):
And male firefighters exactly.

Speaker 2 (05:36):
Yeah, so we would go out on a Friday afternoon
before happy hours and wait for those teachers to start
rolling in, right, So you would consider yourself a spanco.

Speaker 1 (05:47):
Yes, I would, and we're kind of around the same age.
So the first experience was in the back of I
think Mademoiselle magazine. There was an ad for Shadow Lane,
but you had to write by snail mail. You had
to send in your money order. And then I got
the magazines and I was like, oh my gosh, because

(06:09):
up to that point I was into it, but it
was my dirty little secret. And then to get this
material from Shadow Lane, it was just the envelope came
and I ripped it open and I was devouring all
this stuff. And I even did the personal you know,
back then when we did the personals, it was all
by snail mail, so you would write a letter to

(06:30):
the po box. Do you remember those things?

Speaker 2 (06:34):
I absolutely do. If you listen to I Think it's
my very first podcast episode. I talk about looking at
the back of my mother's Cosmopolitan magazine and that's where
I saw the ad, so too, that's right, I saw
the ad for Shadow lane, and when I sent the
way for it and I got those brochures, it was
like the best thing I ever held in my hand

(06:54):
in my life.

Speaker 1 (06:55):
Yes, because here and there there would be little illusion
to punishment or spanking and regular porn, but all of
a sudden, here was a pornographic thing that was just
all spanking.

Speaker 2 (07:08):
Do you still have these videos on you?

Speaker 1 (07:10):
I don't. Oh no, it was so long ago. I
don't even have a VCR anymore. These were videotapes, and
I actually have a really funny story about that, but
I don't know if now it's the time to tell it.
Go right ahead, Okay, So you know I said that
I did the personalsy I was in my early twenties
and being the young innocent me, I'm writing about myself

(07:32):
being careful what I'm saying. But I'm like, I don't
even remember what I said. I wanted somebody dominant. I'm
not a braddy spanko. I'm a submissive type SPANCO. And
then at the end, I was like, oh, and maybe
into anal play. So what I meant was maybe some
butt sex. So the stuff I got in that box

(07:52):
men sending videos of Enema's nurse with the thermometer type
of thing, and I will not kink anybody. I want
everybody to do what turns them on. But that was
not what I meant. I must have had fifteen videos
sent to me of just really wild, watery type of animals.

Speaker 2 (08:14):
Now, when you say videos, did they send these videos
through the mail?

Speaker 1 (08:18):
Videotapes through the mail? Actually my PO box was full
and they had to give me a key to the
extraneous PO box and then they were like, watch it
and let me know what you think. But I wasn't
interested at all, So then I had to place another
ad with a new PO box where I didn't put

(08:39):
that in there.

Speaker 2 (08:39):
So you know, it's not like today where all you
have to do is backspace, backspace, backspace and just fix
what you wrote down that people were taking the wrong way.
It took a lot of work to change something back.

Speaker 1 (08:51):
Then, it did. It was a whole process, and then
you had no guarantee that the people who wrote to
you lived anywhere near you. So it was much different then,
and I think the young'ins need to appreciate how much
easier they have it, where you can get on there
and be talking to other spangos within moments. You know,

(09:11):
it's just a different world.

Speaker 2 (09:14):
I was a little braver than you back then, although
I would not consider myself brave at all. But I
had my stuff delivered right to the house I was
living in, which was with my parents. You know, Thankfully,
they weren't the type of parents that would open up
my mail, you know, when something comes and it's mark
shadow Lane. At least I know they couldn't go on
the computer and look to see what shadow Lane is.

Speaker 1 (09:35):
That's true. And if they already knew what it was,
then they have no business judging you.

Speaker 2 (09:42):
Well, then finally I have something in common with my parents.
Is your husband also a spanko?

Speaker 1 (09:49):
Yes, so it's not like we met on a fetish
type of place. But there was a big group of
these guys getting to know you, and you're trying to
suss out which one is for me, And I just
had this feeling like, oh, he's kind of traditional. He
has this kind of persona that's not overbearing but commanding,

(10:11):
I guess. And so I'm just guessing, like if he's
not already into it, I bet I could get him
into it. But he was already kind of into it.
But when he found out how much I was into it.
We were just off to the ring, so that worked out.

Speaker 2 (10:24):
When did you realize you first had this spankl thing
going on in your head?

Speaker 1 (10:28):
It was early when I was listening to the other episodes.
I thought that was uncommon, But now I think it's
pretty common for people to be into it before they
even realized that it's a sexual fetish thing, you know,
because I remember reading Little House on the Prairie and
there's a scene where Laura gets strapped by Pauw and

(10:49):
I would read that over and over what a weirdo
I was. But I knew then it wasn't in the
story for titillation, but for me it did something to me.
And even as a kid, I was like, I think,
I'm not supposed to feel this way about this, but
what can you do? You feel the way you.

Speaker 2 (11:07):
Feel because no one else is talking about.

Speaker 1 (11:10):
It, right, And like I said, the first time I
really realized that the whole world was out there was
that Shadow Lane advertisement, So thank god I just saw
it there. This was probably late eighties, early nineties, and
probably the Internet was a pretty big part of life
already by what nineteen ninety five.

Speaker 2 (11:32):
Yeah, but it really wasn't what the internet is today.
Like the Internet today, you could go on there and
find anything you want. Where back then, if you wanted
to download a video, it basically took you half the
day to do that, and then when you finally watch it,
you have like fifty seconds of video. But it was
something that I cherished, and that fifty seconds was like

(11:53):
life back then, right.

Speaker 1 (11:55):
But the funny thing is I wasn't much of a
video person, because you're asking me about my first video.
But what I remember is my first literature, or maybe literature,
we call it my first erotica that I bought. Again,
it wasn't something that you would get on Amazon and
order it and it would be discreetly delivered to your home.

(12:17):
I went to the bookstore to the erotica section and
there was what was it called Blue Moon or something.
It was this line of books and I was like, oh,
these are spanking books. And one was called I don't
know if it was called The Train. I tried to
hunt them down a few years ago and I can't.
But then there was another one I remember very clearly.

(12:39):
It was that book where Women Went to Be Trained,
which is a huge genre. There's a zillion books like that,
and I love all of them, but this was the
first one I remember buying in the store and of
course hiding it under my mattress so my parents wouldn't
find it. I was in college, so I would be
home for the summer and having to hide all my
stuff I had accumulated during the school year.

Speaker 2 (13:02):
Do you think they ever stumbled upon any of your stuff?

Speaker 1 (13:06):
Perhaps, but I mean now they know I hit my
pet name for a long time, but social media, unfortunately,
makes it very hard to keep things separate. So somehow
it connected us. And I told them I was writing books,
so slowly I'm sure they came to realize, oh, this
is what she's writing books about. But it's not talked

(13:28):
about because my parents are very Catholic, conservative, old fashion.
I mean, they love me. Everything's fine between us, but
that part of my career and whether I'm into it
or not, or whether me and my husband do anything
is not talked about.

Speaker 2 (13:44):
My parents absolutely do not know, as far as I know.
But do you remember what you're reading? Yeah, they know nothing.
They have no idea about this podcast, Nis, and you.

Speaker 1 (13:54):
Have this whole podcast and everything. That's pretty cool.

Speaker 2 (13:57):
I don't live with them anymore, so they are busting
into my room at all hours. When was your first actual,
what you would consider spanking experience.

Speaker 1 (14:08):
This is very clear to me because it was my
first serious college boyfriend. And we are still friends now,
and I realized now he was far more traverse than
I considered myself at that time, but he was willing
to do anything. So we talked about our fantasies and
definitely lived them all out. And the funny thing was,

(14:32):
you know, I was into it. I was reading about it.
I did watch a few videos all these things, but
the first spanking I received, I just remember being like, Wow,
this really fucking hurts. It still turned me on, but
I realized, and to this day this is true about me.
I'm not a pain slut. The pain really is pain

(14:54):
to me. I'm definitely not a pain slut because as
much as I I want it, when I'm getting it,
I'm crying. It hurts. I ask myself, why do I
want this after all? But that's part of the excitement too,
I think.

Speaker 2 (15:09):
So over the years from those times in college, I mean,
it's been a little while. We're close to the same age.
I'm older than you, But how have your spanking interests
evolved over time.

Speaker 1 (15:21):
The spanking has persevered the whole time, but when I
started writing, I got a little bit into the BSM
dominance and submission type of thing. So for a while
it veered into that where there was also some big
power exchange because I was staying home, he was working.

(15:41):
There was already this kind of power dynamic of dominance
and submission. Plus the kink thrown in. This area where
I live has a very active like munches going on
and kink parties, So we even dabbled in a little
of that. So that was probably a three or four
year period. But then we realized what we really wanted
to do was stay home and do the s banking,

(16:05):
so then we moved back to that. But I will
say that I don't know if you have children, and
you don't have to tell me if you do, but
I have four and they're very close in age, and
it became difficult when they're younger. They go to bed
and you're like, they're not gonna hear anything. Who cares?
And we would go in the closet and we would
make sure they didn't hear anything.

Speaker 2 (16:23):
Is it in right now?

Speaker 1 (16:26):
No different? This is a different house. But then they
got to an age where we were like, okay, they're
too curious, and that was kind of when we started
going out trying to do stuff so that we didn't
have to worry about them overhearing or noticing something. And
now they're mostly young adults, so now we're kind of
ashamed because if they heard anything, they would instantly know

(16:48):
what's going on. So every once in a while we'll
take trips away where we can do stuff. But overall,
the home life that we used to do where there
was a lot of spontaneous banking, has not been happening
the last few years, but it could come back.

Speaker 2 (17:03):
There is no doubt that a spanking is a very
unique sound, and you could only get away with calling
it around of applause for a very short time because
it is a very weird round of applause.

Speaker 1 (17:15):
And like I said, I am loud and I like
to be dramatic, so that contributed also to not being
able to just do it a whole ton. But the
nice thing about that is if we find ourselves alone
in the house, it's on. But I kind of like
that I have evolved throughout the years.

Speaker 2 (17:34):
When did you actually start writing and what was the
inspiration for it.

Speaker 1 (17:38):
It was probably around two thousand and five, two thousand
and six. Like I said, I was staying home, so
I was trying to fill my days when the kids
were off at preschool, and I started screenwriting and that
didn't pan out. Obviously that's really hard career. But I
was also reading live erotic novels I have, and I

(18:00):
would leave to certain parts of the book like this
is what turns me on, and I would read that
part over and over, but then there would be other
parts that I'm like, ah, this doesn't do anything for me.
So I thought, well, if I write the book, the
whole thing can turn me out. So it was partly
selfish in that way. And then I was sharing it
with my girlfriends and they were like, we need more.

(18:23):
We love this because I would just write little scenes
and they were like, we need more. We need more
of this couple or that couple. So then I started
expanding them into books, and then once I wrote my
first few novels, it just kind of went from there.
And I was super fortunate when I really had five
or six, seven eight books out there. Fifty Shades of

(18:45):
Gray became popular.

Speaker 2 (18:47):
So you became more popular.

Speaker 1 (18:49):
Right, because at that time, there weren't a whole bunch
of BDSUM authors out there. So after a zillion women
read Fifty Shades, they were all asking what can I
read now? And I was lucky enough to get on
some of those what to read next lists. That was
just pure luck on my part that I'm so grateful

(19:10):
for because it helped me build an audience. So now
I probably have forty books that.

Speaker 2 (19:17):
Now your parents know that you do this, and your
friends know that you do this. Do your children know?

Speaker 1 (19:23):
They do know? Unfortunately it got out somehow.

Speaker 2 (19:27):
Well, you're a New York Times in USA today best
selling author, so obviously that gets out there.

Speaker 1 (19:34):
These kids were real computer savvy, and we talk about
me being an author and that I write romance, and
that's where it ends, like, I'm not going to tell
them all the others. It's like neving around in your
parents' room and you find a sex toy or something
that's your own fault.

Speaker 2 (19:51):
I did find a couple things in my parents' room
that gross me out. I don't want to talk about it.
I think I actually mentioned it on one of the
podcast episodes way back when.

Speaker 1 (20:00):
But ags will be right back, So don't go away
or else, what are you going to do? Spank me
end though, welcome back to the show people out there.

Speaker 2 (20:20):
She writes mainly contemporary romance, although she's been known to
dabble in the Medieval era and the Regency era if
you don't know what that is. The medieval era is
the period in Europe from about the year five hundred
through fifteen hundred, and the Regency era is eighteen eleven
to eighteen twenty. Now you must have done some research

(20:42):
about these eras, right, I did, and some.

Speaker 1 (20:45):
Of that research was being maniacally into romance novels, almost
to the extent that I was in spanking, so putting
them together was perfect. I'm not sure how much you
know about romance genres, but you would note that there's
a very big Victorian spanking thing in the community. So
my regency books are the ones that are mainly only spanking.

(21:09):
There's not the BDSM type of stuff in it. It's
this domestic discipline spanking. It within a romance type of thing.
I like the history of it. And they also have
these little tropes of doing figguring that was really a
regency in Victorian thing. That they did. And also in
Victorian England, in reality, they were super into spanking. They

(21:31):
had fetish clubs. Men would go get spanked by prostitutes
and it was a whole big thing. Yes, I have
done aboutter research.

Speaker 2 (21:40):
But if you look at the medieval time, you know
everyone has heard of the stocks and flogging, burning at
the stake, but holy crap, I knew that there was
a lot of crazy capital punishment back then. Like there
was this device called the Scavenger's Daughter where they basically
crush people. There was the basically the thumb screws where

(22:03):
they it sounds exactly like it is, they just constantly
crushed down your thumb until I mean, it is painful
anytime you even hit your thumb, so I can only
imagine them crushing it. Yeah, there was the iron Maiden,
the wooden horse, which is absolutely horrible. Do you know
what the wooden horse is.

Speaker 1 (22:21):
Only in a kinky sense, Well.

Speaker 2 (22:23):
A wooden horse with the medieval torture was a device
that resembled a triangular wooden frame where the victim was
made to straddle it. The frame was a triangle and
the triangle faced up the point of the triangle, so
they would sit on it. I don't know for how
long I didn't read into it, but that is really

(22:44):
painful after a while, it.

Speaker 1 (22:45):
Is painful, but it's kinky. I put some of my
books have that kind of thing in it. But I'm
sure it wasn't fun back then the way they did it,
But that's the magic of kinky romance books, as you
make it sexy.

Speaker 2 (22:58):
Yeah, it was definitely not the way that they have it.
It's definitely not fun. But here's one that I really liked,
and I think they should bring this one back. It
was called the cooking stool, and it's used for women
who are accused of gossiping and they're dunked into water
and just publicly scorned. I really think they should bring
back the cooking stool. But you know, obviously we know

(23:21):
that they had plenty of capital punishment back in those
earlier eras. People were crazy back then that they even
came up with these things. But in your research you
found a lot of instances back then where they talked
about actual corporal punishment too. Right.

Speaker 1 (23:36):
I have to say the medieval stuff I've written is
more fantasy. There are authors I know who write it
more realistic and Yeah, some of it's really gruesome, the punishments,
but mine is definitely more fantasy based. Do you read
The Mists of Avalon with Arthur and the Knights and

(23:57):
this fantasy Camelot kingdom. It's more like that kind of medieval.

Speaker 2 (24:03):
Since the Internet, my reading has really gone downhill, and
most of the stuff that I read.

Speaker 1 (24:10):
Everyone is a reader, I get it.

Speaker 2 (24:12):
Most of the stuff that I read does have to
do with sports. I don't read a lot of spanking stories,
but I read stuff that people post.

Speaker 1 (24:19):
Right, Yes, how.

Speaker 2 (24:20):
Many books did you say that you have of the
BDSM romance kind?

Speaker 1 (24:24):
I have about fifteen books that are just purely spanking,
but I probably have about twenty to twenty five that
are BDSM. And these aren't all full length. There's probably
about ten of them are novellas which are shorter. And
of those, there's one series called the Mefisto Series and

(24:45):
that is very much like Master Slavey, and that's really
the only series where I went full on Master slave
And then there's another series called the Rough Love Series
and that's kind of rough sex. But all of these
have romance too. There's always like a happy ending story.

Speaker 2 (25:02):
Too, which one is your best seller.

Speaker 1 (25:04):
The historical spanking books, believe it or not. And out
of those, the one I sold the most was called
Disciplining the Duchess. And here's how the algorithm on Amazon works.
People were buying fifty shades and Disciplining the Duchess came
out around the same time, and they got hooked up
an algorithm. So one month on Amazon, I sold more

(25:28):
of that book than I had sold at any point
in my career up to that time.

Speaker 2 (25:33):
Wow, that's great and I miss those days.

Speaker 1 (25:36):
That doesn't happen anymore. But it was wonderful, and I
think that grew my audience too. That was a good
spanking book.

Speaker 2 (25:42):
Judging just by the covers, my favorite book of yours
now I didn't read any of them, but my favorite
is until next year, and only because the girl on
the cover is wearing tight jeans and I love jeans.
If you listen to this podcast, you will know that
I love jeans. But even though that cover doesn't show
as much of the genes that I want, that would

(26:04):
probably be the book that I would be most interested in.
Do you have a favorite book that you've written.

Speaker 1 (26:10):
I do have a favorite book. It's like a series
it's called cirqu Masters. So I went through a phase
when I was really into circu disolet and in the
back of my mind, as I'm watching these super fit
performers doing these crazy acts, I was like, I bet
some of these people are super kinky. And then I
just took off from there and I created this whole

(26:32):
world called cirqu DuMond. I had to change the name, obviously,
but the head of this circus company is like super perverted.
And there are three different stories with three different couples,
and they were all super kinky. And some of my
books I go back and read it and I think
I could have done that better. I could have done
that better. But these particular books, I was just like,

(26:53):
these are great. Which you always doubt yourself as a
even with your podcasts or anybody who does any creative
reckoning is constantly thinking is this my best?

Speaker 2 (27:04):
Oh no, I've never ever doubted myself.

Speaker 1 (27:08):
Oh good lucky.

Speaker 2 (27:09):
Now if the Circusola people started making spanking videos, I
would be a regular customer. Can you imagine, Oh my goodness,
I think that these guys would be hurting their hands
on these butts because they are just nothing but.

Speaker 1 (27:24):
Muscle, and the butts are also tight. They're also strong,
like they could put up with a lot of pain.

Speaker 2 (27:30):
I'm not even sure if that's true, because you could
be the smallest person in the world and have the
highest pain tolerance, and you could be bigger and have
no pain tolerance. I've had it where the same girl,
same size girl, one of them would have a high
pain tolerance, the other one would have no pain tolerance.
So I don't think that having a muscular butt is

(27:51):
really going to make you tougher. I don't know what
actually does make you tougher. But man, I've seen some
really tough girls, and I've seen some really not so
tough girl.

Speaker 1 (28:00):
Isn't that the truth? Sometimes I watch videos and I'm
amazed at what they are taking, to the point where
I'm just squirming, like I don't know how much more
this I can watch because it looks so painful and
they're dealing with it.

Speaker 2 (28:15):
Some are not even making noise. Ow the spankings in
your books are they sometimes punishment, sometimes punishment sexual, and
sometimes just sexual.

Speaker 1 (28:28):
They are all three of those playful spankings. With me,
it's rare. They're fun in real life, but in a book.
I really want the drama and the trauma. I just
know myself and that's what And sometimes they are half
sensual and half punishment, and then every so often I
just go off the deep end and I'm like, this

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girl's just about to get it right now. And it's
funny because some readers will get really upset about that.
They don't want those harsh to happen in a romance novel.
But my readers just have to understand that's just didn't
happen with my books. There are authors that everything's acute
spanking or Braddy's spanking or a sweet spanking, but that's

(29:14):
just not me. I just want there to be more
drama involved. One of the things that I really love
about spanking is the interconnection emotional part of it, not
just the physical but the feelings that go along with it,
and so there's a lot of that in my books.

Speaker 2 (29:32):
Do these fans actually message you and tell you that
they weren't happy with a spanking in the books?

Speaker 1 (29:38):
Yes, occasionally. So Disciplining the Duchess that I just told
you about that was the bestseller, there is a big
harsh punishment scene. Every novel will have what they call
the darkest point or you know, the point of no
return where everything comes to a head, and so it
usually happens around that time in the book. She was
so mad about it though, She's like, this is abuse.

(30:00):
I can't believe you would write a scene like this.
And I also had a reader one time post a
review on Amazon if I have a series, and the
name of the series is called Properly Spanked, and she
posted a review that was like, there's too much spanking
in this book.

Speaker 2 (30:17):
Well, that's weird.

Speaker 1 (30:19):
What made you think it wouldn't be full of spankings.

Speaker 2 (30:23):
I have a bunch of videos online. I'm not sure
if you've ever seen any of my spanking videos, but
the same thing happens to me when I post a video.
There have been plenty of times where someone will comment
below the video to tell me what I should have
done to make the spanking better. And I always say
that if I did the spankings how each individual wanted

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me to do the spankings, it would be the same
video over and over and over, which to me would
get very boring. But that was definitely one of the
questions I had for you, and you kind of brought
that out yourself. But that happened to me a lot
on the videos, and I think it's funny that people
will actually read your book, and especially the one that

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said spanking right on it, and they said, there's too
much spanking in this thing. I mean, you have so
many books out there that if the title says it's
going to be all about spanking, you might not want
to buy that one if you're not looking for a spanking.

Speaker 1 (31:21):
If you're not looking for that.

Speaker 2 (31:23):
The spankings in your books, are they mostly to do
with relationships or are there actual non consensual type disciplinary
spankings from other people that aren't romantically connected.

Speaker 1 (31:36):
There are some of those. Yes, that happens more in
the contemporary books, because a lot of times there will
be either playing within a club atmosphere where there's some
passing around of the submissive woman, or there's menage or
group sex scenes where that kind of thing would happen,

(31:57):
which is very exciting. I actually have a novella called Loan,
and it was about this girl who the dominant was like,
you're gonna go pick up somebody else in this club
and go home and they're gonna punish you or whatever,
and it's super hard I've always kind of been into
that idea of like being forced to submit to a

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spanking from another person because you're a person, says.

Speaker 2 (32:22):
So I think as a spanko. Of course, not everyone's
the same, but a lot of us really enjoy imagining
that the spanking the person is getting is totally against
their will, even though we know that these videos are
all consensual. They know they're getting a spanking, they actually
want the spanking, but you have to suspend the reality

(32:43):
and just I love to imagine that these are real spankings.
And I absolutely love spankings that are given in front
of other people.

Speaker 1 (32:50):
Yes, and that's the wonderful dance of it. I love
that part of it. That's to me, the psychological part
that is so exciting, and then you add a physical
part to it and it's just like, ah, so wonderful.

Speaker 2 (33:03):
But when I'm watching these videos, I pretend the person
getting the spanking does not want it. That's what does
it for me in a video, That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (33:12):
I don't like the whole suite, Like, no, if you
have to be suffering, you have to be crying. How
is the other thing is? You know? I love to
watch spanking videos. But if I'm afraid it's gonna be
overheard by my kids, I have to have the volume off,
and if I can't hear they're crying, it doesn't turn
me on as.

Speaker 2 (33:30):
Much, I understand. But you know the one thing I'll
never do. I will never go below someone else's video
and tell them how they should have done it.

Speaker 1 (33:38):
No, just because it's not your fantasy doesn't mean it
isn't someone else's fantasy. Fantasy judgment, to me is the
dumbest thing. You can't control what turns you on. If
you don't think it's hot, that's fine, but that doesn't
mean it isn't hot.

Speaker 2 (33:54):
That's true because there's plenty of people out there that
even when it comes to just a spanking world alone,
there are so many different variations of spanking that I
don't find hot. But you know what someone else out
there does.

Speaker 1 (34:05):
Right, and I want those people to get what they
want exactly. I feel very strongly about that too.

Speaker 2 (34:12):
When it comes to your books, which one has the
most traditional disciplinary OTK spanking or spankings in it.

Speaker 1 (34:22):
There's one called slab Hands, and that book has probably
the most just over the knee spanking type of stuff,
But I do try to have a lot of different
types of spanking, not just over the knee.

Speaker 2 (34:36):
But definitely good for variations and stuff. But an about
the question was which one of your books has the
most traditional disciplinary OTK spanking in it?

Speaker 1 (34:48):
I want to say slab hands. I want to say
it's that one.

Speaker 2 (34:52):
I didn't mean to scold you, but I didn't want
you getting off topic.

Speaker 1 (34:55):
Yeah, I think it is that I do get off topic.
You are right about that.

Speaker 2 (35:01):
Now, which one has what you would consider your favorite
spanking in it?

Speaker 1 (35:05):
There's a book called Master's Flame, and it's the third
book in that circu series I was talking about. The
trope is enemies to lovers, so they start out not
liking each other, and then it reaches a point where
he's like, you know what, you're about to get it
and he spanks her. And I think that is probably
my favorite because it's emotional for her and it's very heightened.

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It's a very hard question for me because, like I said,
I have all different kind of spankings in them, so
it's hard to narrow it down.

Speaker 2 (35:37):
Do you have a personal spanking that you've received that
you would consider your favorite one of all time.

Speaker 1 (35:43):
I do, but I think I can't say too much
about it only because people do know me and my
husband and I don't want to put too much out
there about our private life because that was kind of
an agreement we made. But there was a lot of
crying and emotion and this one particular one, and I

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think that's the key for me. Beyond the physical, it's
the emotional heightenedness of it, so that one stands out
in my mind.

Speaker 2 (36:13):
Do you ever have to take a cold shower during
or after one of your writing sessions?

Speaker 1 (36:19):
Yes, and I do have to stop a lot and
release tension, if you know what I But that's how
I know that it's good. Every scene that I write,
I guarantee you I was personally into writing at them.

Speaker 2 (36:35):
I can see that because your mind's working, and it's
just like when we were growing up, all we had
was our imagination. We didn't have the videos like they
do today. So you know, that did it for me
back then. It doesn't do it for me so much now,
but I could see that it would if I was
actually sitting down and writing books like you write.

Speaker 1 (36:51):
Yeah, and you get in that flow so as you're
describing everything, like for me personally, I'm like, well, how
would this feel to me? I don't know if every
erat author does that, but I charge you I definitely
have to take breaks.

Speaker 2 (37:05):
Do the men in your books ever get punished?

Speaker 1 (37:07):
Almost one hundred percent of what I write has a
dominant male hero as they call it, and a submissive
female heroine. I wrote one thing where they switched, so.

Speaker 2 (37:19):
It was a female male.

Speaker 1 (37:20):
Well, the one where they switched. She thought she wanted
only to be the submissive, but then when the moment arrived,
she was like, wait, I kind of want to dominate
this guy.

Speaker 2 (37:30):
That's when I'm out of the relationship.

Speaker 1 (37:35):
I know that doesn't really do it for me, but
this one story, it just came out and I was like,
all right, let's go with it.

Speaker 2 (37:41):
Are there any female female punishments?

Speaker 1 (37:44):
Yes, there's one. It was two men, two friends, and
they're two submissive women, and the men were actually telling
the women what to do to each other. But it
was one of those things where the one woman would
hurt the other one just because they were part of
the scene together. That was fun too. I forgot all
about that scene until you asked me that question. But
I think that's the only one that was in a

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book called Fortune.

Speaker 2 (38:08):
How about you? Have you been spanked by women?

Speaker 1 (38:11):
I haven't. I'm so male dominated in my fantasies. Although
I'm open to a woman someday doing that for me,
but it hasn't happened yet.

Speaker 2 (38:20):
Well, I hope that you get your wish.

Speaker 1 (38:23):
That's a huge male fantasy, right, women on women's stuff.

Speaker 2 (38:27):
I like a lot of different spanking, but when a
female spanks another female, although I do like when the
woman getting spanked is younger and the older one is
very dominant looking and acting. But you throw two women
together and it's going to be a pretty good video. Yes,
I assume you've never given a spanking.

Speaker 1 (38:48):
The only one I could spank would be my husband,
and he would literally, like you said, that would be
the day he filed divorces.

Speaker 2 (38:57):
I know you think of yourself when you're thinking of
these spankings in your books, But do you ever have
specific people besides yourself in mind when you create a character. Oh?

Speaker 1 (39:07):
Sure, yeah, I do because I do have a lot
of friends in the kinky community, and I've also read
a lot of stories, and sometimes it's just one tiny
part of somebody's story. I'll be like hmmm, and then
it'll kind of go from there. And there's also people
that I found, like the guy that's the dungeon Master

(39:29):
super Master guy from Club Mefisto was the guy I
had become familiar with on that life. And it's not
like I took him and put everything about him in
the book, but it was based off of his vibe.
I guess is a good way to say it.

Speaker 2 (39:43):
You had him in mind when you were writing it, right.

Speaker 1 (39:46):
I pictured him. And sometimes it'll be a celebrity or
somebody that I know from my travels through life, and
I'll use this part of this and this part of that,
and after forty books, some stories to come from the
big white world, which is fun.

Speaker 2 (40:05):
Any celebrities that I might.

Speaker 1 (40:07):
Know, Definitely Henry Cavill I don't know if you know
who that is.

Speaker 2 (40:11):
I do not.

Speaker 1 (40:12):
He was Superman. I think after Christopher Reeve. Maybe he
was the next Superman. You know, he was Witcher. You
would know him from that. Maybe.

Speaker 2 (40:20):
I don't think I've ever seen Witcher either.

Speaker 1 (40:22):
Okay, well he was not.

Speaker 2 (40:24):
I'm gonna look him up the second I get off
this podcast. Okay, maybe not the second, but eventually.

Speaker 1 (40:29):
Good I think you would like Witcher. I think it's
on Netflix.

Speaker 2 (40:32):
Is that a superhero movie?

Speaker 1 (40:34):
No, it's based on a video game, I think, and
I'm not a gamer person, neither mine. But it doesn't
seem like a video game when you're watching it. It's
more like a fantasy action adventure series.

Speaker 2 (40:47):
So how would someone like myself go about getting you
to put at least a reference to me in one
of your books, Like maybe maybe I'm the core Jester,
or maybe I'm Sir Ags from the medieval times way
back when.

Speaker 1 (41:03):
I'm not totally sure if I've watched your videos or not.
Maybe you're already in one of my books. Maybe one
of your videos inspired me to put a scene in
my book. I don't know. I'm not have to go see,
but it's mostly stuff like that, people just doing their
thing and me being like, oh wait, that's kind of hot.
So I'll have to watch your videos and see what

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comes through there. You know the deal.

Speaker 3 (41:26):
By now, leave and you'll get some heat applied to
your seat.

Speaker 1 (41:30):
We'll be right back. Enjoy the rest of the show.

Speaker 2 (41:33):
I did notice on your site that you recently had
a sale on two books that you called your roughest stuff.
And I think you already talked about those. It was
the Torment Me and Club Mefisto.

Speaker 1 (41:45):
I think it was called Feasta, right, Yeah, So Club
Mefisto is the twenty four to seven master slave girl
getting passed around. There's a ton of orgasm denial in there,
which me and my husband went through an orgasm denial
which is wild. And the other one is the Rough
Love series. It's three books. It's Torment Me, Taunt Me

(42:07):
as the second one, and Trust Me as the third one.
And it's like this guy is into crazy rough sex
and he was based on a person from Fat Life
that I knew.

Speaker 2 (42:17):
And I would think that the Torment Me and Club
Mefisto probably more dealt with S and M than spanking.

Speaker 1 (42:24):
Yes, those are definitely more on the BDSM side. To
get the spanking, you kind of have to go back
in history except for slab hands. That's what I was
telling you about with the genes.

Speaker 2 (42:35):
Do the spankings in your books come with aftercare?

Speaker 1 (42:38):
They do?

Speaker 2 (42:40):
That was actually only a joke, but if they do,
go right ahead.

Speaker 1 (42:43):
So there's a type of aftercare that is very cliched,
I guess, and a bit too tender for me, But yeah,
there's always something after, just like there's always something before
that leads up to it, which maybe that's different from videos.
Do your videos have after care at the end?

Speaker 2 (43:01):
Not really? You know. Remember when we bought videos from
shadow Lane, they were actually kind of stories. They were
longer videos, and there was less spanking than there are
in the videos of today because there was a storyline
going along with the video, which I did kind of like.
But a lot of times I am really just looking
for the spanking. But I do appreciate people who go

(43:23):
out there and actually make a mini movie on their
spanking videos, right I don't really do that thing.

Speaker 1 (43:29):
Sometimes you just want the spanking, though, Like when I'm
looking for a video, I'm just looking for the speaking.
But when I'm reading an erotic novel, then I do
want to before and after, So it's kind of like
what am I looking for at that time?

Speaker 2 (43:43):
People out there? Besides on this podcast episode you're listening
to right now, you can find everything you need to
know about Annabel and her books at Annabel Joseph dot com.
You could find everything there and she is all over Amazon.
But she also writes non BDSM romance under the pen
name Molly Joseph, What era do most of these deal with?

Speaker 1 (44:07):
Those are contemporary books, and I'll be honest, they're mostly
about bodyguards because I have a weird fetish for bodyguards.

Speaker 2 (44:14):
What is this fetish for bodyguards? And where did it
come from?

Speaker 1 (44:18):
Before I met my husband, I was very much a
club girl, and I think it came kind of an
offshoot of that of like the big muscular man who
can protect you from anything, but also spank really hard
because he has big muscles.

Speaker 2 (44:33):
Have you ever been spanked by a bouncer from a club?

Speaker 1 (44:36):
I haven't, but there was a bouncer that slab Hands
is based on that knew I was into spanking and
constantly teased me about it, to the fact where as
soon as he would see me, he would start making
like spanking motions, but he never would spank me. And
it's one of the great sadnesses of my life.

Speaker 2 (44:56):
Are there no spankings at all in these non BDS books?

Speaker 1 (45:00):
Yeah, I don't know why I wrote bodyguard books and
they don't get spanked, But there's a ton of sex
in them. Almost everything I write has tons of sex
in it, for sure.

Speaker 2 (45:09):
So they're basically just romance novels. Yes, which one did
you start writing first?

Speaker 1 (45:15):
Definitely the BDSM was first, and then the historical spanking,
and then I think I just wrote the bodyguard books
because I needed a break from the dominance and submission
type of stuff. But bodyguards are still, in a sense
a bit dominant. So even though there's not overt dominance
and submission in the couples, there's that kind of dominant,

(45:38):
protective personality that of course a lot of spanking women
are attracted to, that kind of powerful, commanding presence that
male spankers, well female spankers too, I guess, but my
fantasy world is mainly male spankers.

Speaker 2 (45:54):
Here is the moment of truth for you. Now, I
know when fifty Shades came out it gave you a
huge boost. What do you actually think of the book
and the movie?

Speaker 1 (46:04):
Okay, I'm going to try to be political here.

Speaker 2 (46:07):
Because be politically correct, not political. We don't get political
on this podcast.

Speaker 1 (46:13):
Not political for sure, But yes, I personally did not
enjoy the books. I felt like they were not authentic,
and this is true that the person who wrote them
was not from the lifestyle, and I don't want to
be a gatekeeper that. Oh if you're outside the lifestyle,
you can't write about it. I'm just saying in this case,
you could tell that they probably didn't know what they

(46:33):
were doing. But at the same time, it brought a
lot of people to my books where they got to
kind of learn a more authentic version of the emotions
that go with it. So in that way, I did
like it. The movie, I have to say, was just
straight trash. I think we can all agree on that.

(46:54):
Even people who liked the book really didn't like the
movie that much. What about you, did you like it?
I shouldn't have said all that.

Speaker 2 (46:59):
I didn't really read the book, but I did open
it up and went to a couple different paragraphs because
I heard that it was very poorly written, and I
agree it was very poorly written. I don't think that
they were writers really when they first wrote this book.
A lot of women really liked it, and I think
that helped a lot of us out too, because all

(47:20):
of a sudden you had these people interested in spanking,
but the movie did spanking absolutely no.

Speaker 1 (47:26):
Justice, right, I agree.

Speaker 2 (47:28):
I don't know if this is the plot of the
third movie, but I think by the end he realizes
he doesn't need this stuff anymore. I think it was
called fifty Shades Freed or something like that.

Speaker 1 (47:40):
I didn't even get that far, and I think.

Speaker 2 (47:42):
That's the premise of the movie, and I'm like, no,
that doesn't happen. This never leaves you. Yeah, you may
not need it all the time. As I get older,
I noticed I don't need it as much as I
did when I was younger. But there's no way in
hell I'm ever going to stop thinking about span and
thinking about at least wanting to give spankings.

Speaker 1 (48:04):
Yes, I think the movie kind of depicted it as wanting.
That was his mental illness, and then at the end
he was freed from it. But like I said, a
lot of women found something to love about it or
maybe learn things about themselves. And I'm all for women
getting sexy feelings and feeling inspired sexually, so I have

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to like it for that reason.

Speaker 2 (48:27):
Do you have any favorite romance novel writers out there
that you love to read yourself?

Speaker 1 (48:33):
The one that I love the most, aside from Anne Rice,
who wrote the beauty books which are quite famous, thinking
bedias n type of books, there's another lady named Molly Weatherfield,
and that's where I took Molly Joseph from because I
admired this other author so much. But she has a

(48:54):
book called Carrie's Story and then a follow up book
called Safe Word. There's a ton of spanking in it,
but it is actually a BDSM based but the spanking
really did it for me, and she along your lines,
there's definitely women's spankers. All kinds of crazy shit goes on.
There's men on men's stuff, there's orgy stuff, there's training stuff,

(49:16):
everything you could imagine this in these books.

Speaker 2 (49:18):
She runs the gamut writers.

Speaker 1 (49:20):
Yeah, she brought it all in. But her writing is
just great too. It's so great when you can get
the hot stuff, but also the writing is great.

Speaker 2 (49:28):
And just like when I first started doing this podcast,
I would like to think that I've gotten better as
it's gone along. I'm sure that you feel the same
way about your writing style.

Speaker 1 (49:38):
Oh for sure. Do you cringe a little when you
listen to the earliest episodes.

Speaker 2 (49:43):
I cringe a little when I listened to even recent
episodes as I'm editing them and thinking, Wow, you sound
like such an idiot right there.

Speaker 1 (49:52):
Well, I cringe at some of my earlier books, and
I'm sure ten years down the line, I'll probably cringe
at some of what I'm writing. Now, that's just the
human experience, right, We get better at something as it goes.

Speaker 2 (50:05):
Along, well, you would hope. So, yeah, what is some
advice that you could actually give someone out there that's
thinking about starting to write these romance type novels.

Speaker 1 (50:15):
My number one advice would be to read a lot,
because reading a lot will help you develop that writer's voice,
because writing for an audience is different than just writing
for yourself. And if you read stuff that's already published,
you can kind of hear, you know, this is what
a writer's voice ideally is, like, you know, and then

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put your own spin on it. And the second thing
would be to just start writing. A lot of people
come to me and they're like, I have this story,
I really want to write it. But if you don't
write it, it never gets out there. So that's the
hard part is sitting your butt in the chair and
writing it.

Speaker 2 (50:50):
What advice would you give to people out there that
are having a hard time dealing with this spanking thing
that we've all been pretty much born with.

Speaker 1 (50:58):
I think I would just say to look around, because
you're not the only one. That's what really helps me
is that, yes, it's kinky and weird in a way,
but I'm not the only.

Speaker 2 (51:14):
But when we were growing up, it was a lot tougher.
And I'm not saying that people who are having a
hard time with this it's not nonsense. I mean, I
understand why you're having a hard time with this because
it's hard to come to terms with. Everyone has to
do it on their own. But it's a lot easier
now because immediately you know you're not the only one,

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where back then we thought we were the only one.

Speaker 1 (51:36):
I have a question for you because my partner there's
a certain point where he's like, I won't do that.
I don't feel okay with it. Are you ever like
that in your spanking videos where somebody might want you
to go harder or do something rougher and you're like,
I'm not comfortable with that, or is your comfort level

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always what your partner's comfort level is.

Speaker 2 (52:01):
I'm not a hardcore disciplinarian. I like basic spankings where
you know it hurts, but it's not overkill for me.
I like to watch videos where people are getting seriously
hard spankings, but I don't like to do it myself.
I don't like doing smacking in the face. There's a
lot of stuff I will not do. If it's something mild,

(52:24):
I would try. I wouldn't necessarily try it on a
video unless I tried it on someone first.

Speaker 1 (52:30):
I see, But I'm not a hard If your partner
asked you.

Speaker 2 (52:37):
I couldn't do it because all I picture is their
eyeball hanging out of their head, or I hit their
ear by mistake and I blow their ear drum. But
I've seen people do it on videos, and I know
a lot of girls who like a slap in the face,
but I'm just not comfortable with doing it. I could
do a little pop in the face where it doesn't
really make a noise, but it gets your attention, maybe

(52:58):
like a two finger.

Speaker 1 (52:59):
Popping kind of hot. Yeah, I like that.

Speaker 2 (53:02):
I would do that, and I do that in a
fun way to different girls that I hang out with,
just out of the blue, because I know it's gonna
shock them because they know I don't slap in the face.
But I'm not hardcore. If you go and watch my videos,
you'll see that, although some are a little harder than others.
But yeah, I'm not really gonna jump too far out
of my comfort zone very often, but I will go

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a little further. It's just not that far.

Speaker 1 (53:27):
I guess you negotiate before every video, if it's somebody
new or whatever, what is okay and what is okay?
Well with my video I already know from watching your video.

Speaker 2 (53:36):
Yeah, with my videos my podcasts, I think that anyone
who contacts me now to meet, they pretty much know
what style of spanko that I am, spanker that I am.
You know, there are some things I will definitely never
get into when it comes to spanking, because there's so
many variations. I'm not into the littles. I'm not into
the middles. I don't want to get into diapers. I

(53:58):
don't want to do any of that stuff. And I'm
not shaming anyone that is, but it's just not my thing.
But if you watch my videos and you listen to
my podcast, I think anyone who contacts me knows exactly
what I'm all about and what I'm not all about.
And you know, hopefully we can meet in the middle
and both have a good time.

Speaker 1 (54:15):
Yeah, that sounds good. I always ask that question because
being mostly a spanky, I'm always fascinated with spankers because
to me, I know what it feels like, but the
person doing it might not know what it feels like.
And are you ever nervous that you're doing it too
hard or too soft? I don't know.

Speaker 2 (54:32):
When I first meet someone, we always go through this
thing where I just start by putting them over my
knee with their clothes fully on, and I'm just spanking them,
but we're talking during it, and we work it up
from there. I'll always say, do you want to go
a little harder? Do you want to stay where we
are right now? And these are girls who have come
and they're getting their first banking, and by the end
of that day, I know what they can take and

(54:54):
they're having an absolute fantastic time. So, you know, just
going through that early in the day where I see
what they can take and they're actually kind of feeling
what a spanking feels like and trying out different implements.
By the end of the day, it's like they've been
spankos their whole life and they're just ready to jump
in headfirst.

Speaker 1 (55:13):
Do you have a lot now? I've turned to see
This is what authors do. They always add, this is
how you can get into my books. By the way.
But to you, I need to watch your videos. But
do you have a lot of people who are new
who have never been before spank.

Speaker 2 (55:27):
I really only started doing videos and spanking actual spankos
since about twenty ten, and before that I was just
spanking girlfriends, and I was very fortunate that pretty much
every single girlfriend I had in my life before twenty
ten let me spank them, and even regular vanilla girls
after that let me spank them. But since I started

(55:49):
posting videos, I have had a ton of absolute beginners,
never been spanked in their life, contact me, and I
love the feeling that they left thinking they had a
great experience for their first time, Because I would hate
for someone to leave me after their first time and
think that they never ever ever want to do this again.

Speaker 1 (56:11):
That's really neat. I like that idea of introducing people.
I mean, it probably takes a certain type of person.
Do you have the patience and the thoughtfulness to do
it correctly so that they don't leave like, oh my god,
that was horrible.

Speaker 2 (56:23):
I've had girls come to me that have been spanked
a million times and just wanted disciplinary spanking, and I
could do that, I still would rather give them the
fun spanking first, just to see what they could actually
take and just get used to one another. But if
they really really want that disciplinary spanking right away, I'll
do it. But I always recommend doing this fun little

(56:44):
thing where we talked during it. But this one girl
came to me brand new, and she said she wants
to be spanked exactly like the girls in my videos.
And I explained to her that these girls have been
getting spanked for a while. It's a real shock to
the system when you get your first spanking.

Speaker 1 (57:00):
Yeah, I remember that.

Speaker 2 (57:02):
She said, nope, I want it just like those girls.
And I did it, and she should have listened to me,
because it was one of the worst experiences I ever
had in my life. She was afraid of me. She
was crying, and I since that the crying was not
good crying, and I said to her, I said, are
you okay, and she's like no, and I'm like, are

(57:22):
you saying no, like you want me to stop? And yes,
she wanted me to stop. And I said, you know
what's the problem. I said, uh, you know, are you afraid?
And she said yes? And I said are you afraid
of me? And she said yes, And I said, do
not be afraid of me. I said, let's sit down,
let's talk. So we talked for about an hour and
just sat there. I said, never be afraid of me.

(57:43):
You could stop this at any time you want. And
after that everything went great, and I saw her many
times after that.

Speaker 1 (57:50):
But oh, that's good. This story has a happy ending.

Speaker 2 (57:54):
Yes, Oh, definitely. We were friends for a long time.

Speaker 1 (57:57):
No, oh, that's good.

Speaker 2 (57:58):
And we still are now. Once in a while she'll
send me a message. I'll send her a message. Not
as often as we used to, but I still am
in contact with a lot of people that I've spanked
over the years, but that one there really had me
feeling horrible that day. I told her, I said, listen,
I said, whenever you were coming here, I told you
that I recommend you do it this way because it

(58:20):
is a serious shock. The first time you get a real.

Speaker 1 (58:23):
Spanking, right, a disciplinary spanking, Oh, exactly sure.

Speaker 2 (58:28):
And the first time you bend over someone's lap to
let them smack you on the butt. I really think
that should be just a fun experience. So you get
the feeling of it, and you both get to know
one another, and you really get to decide if you
want to move on to a disciplinary spanking with this
particular person.

Speaker 1 (58:47):
Yeah, I definitely can see that.

Speaker 2 (58:49):
Let's go a little lighter here. Well, maybe not that light,
because whenever you hear the question, maybe you won't think
it's that light in the future. Being a spanko is
punishable by death. Who knows how these governments are going
to work by the Yeah, who knows. You know, first
they try to censor our speech. Now they're telling us
that you can no longer be a spanco. So being
a spanko is punishable by death. You obviously are a spanco.

(59:12):
You are going to end up in prison. You're going
to be on death row. What is your last meal?

Speaker 1 (59:21):
You mean spanking wise?

Speaker 2 (59:23):
No, No, not spanking wise. You can't get spanked anymore.

Speaker 1 (59:26):
Well, obviously you can if you're you're staying like, oh,
if you're going to go to death row, what's your
one last experience you want to have?

Speaker 2 (59:32):
No, if you're on death row, you could possibly get
a spanking by one of the guards. Who knows. But
maybe you should write a book about that. But this
is just this is really just pertaining to you. Being
on death row. You get one last meal? What is it?

Speaker 1 (59:47):
Well, there would be fried zucchini, which is my favorite thing,
and rebably probably a really good New York so pizza
that really would be a delicious Last.

Speaker 2 (01:00:00):
Neil, do not end up in jail in Florida because
they do not have good New York style pizza down there.

Speaker 1 (01:00:06):
Wait, have you been in jail in Florida's how you
know this? No?

Speaker 2 (01:00:09):
I lived in Florida for six years, and I could
never find a pizza that tasted anything like the Northeast.

Speaker 1 (01:00:15):
I lived in Florida, too, and I think that's exactly true.

Speaker 2 (01:00:19):
You know what I did notice though, The only pizza
that was very consistent with the way it was in
the Northeast was Dominos. That's the only pizza I had
in Florida that I thought even reminded me. Yeah, of
Northeast pizza.

Speaker 1 (01:00:32):
You know, my husband is from Boston, so he will
get the right pizzas, but they're hard to find. It's
hard to find good ones.

Speaker 2 (01:00:40):
Well, Annabel Joseph, is there anything I've left out that
you want to say? Right now?

Speaker 1 (01:00:46):
There is one thing I want to say. You mentioned
my website earlier, and I just want to tell people
if you go to my website, there's a tab at
the very end called the Hall of Hotness, and people
really enjoy it. If you click on that tab, it's
just a stream of images of all different kind of
kinky stuff, mostly male domb and female sub stuff. It's

(01:01:08):
banking and all that too, and just artists that I
met through lifestyle, fine artists, amateur artists and their beautiful
erotic photographs. So if you want to see something really cool,
go over to that Holl of hot Ness, and then
maybe after that you can check out my books. I
really appreciate coming on this podcast. I was nervous, but

(01:01:30):
it was really fine to talk about all things spanking,
and you had so many great interesting questions.

Speaker 2 (01:01:38):
Well, I appreciate you doing this podcast. I think you
were fantastic. Why don't you say goodbye to all the
listeners out there and maybe leave them with one last
parting message sweet dreams.

Speaker 1 (01:01:50):
To all the podcasts listeners, I hope that you are
finding fulfillment in whatever you are doing kinky wise, and
if you aren't finding fulfillment, please keep looking because there's
a wonderful world out there.

Speaker 2 (01:02:03):
Thank you very much, Annabel. I will talk to you soon.
All right, everybody, That wraps up another episode of the
Never Too Old for a Good Spanking Podcast, I will
see you next time.

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