Scott

If you have attended a male-male spanking event in Southern Califonia in recent years, you most likely already know Scott (HotBotScott). If not, you will definitely know more about him after listening to this episode.

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is the Never too Old for a Good Spanking Podcast.

Speaker 2 (00:07):
Put the hands up front, stick that butt out, stick
it out.

Speaker 1 (00:13):
Yes, sir, I need a guy Spain. I need a
guy Spain. I need a guy Spain. I need.

Speaker 2 (00:25):
Hey, everybody, welcome to another episode of the Never Too
Old for a Good Spanking Podcast. Now, my next guest
also hosts his own spanking podcast. He is fifty three
years old. He's from Los Angeles, California, or at least
he's in Los Angeles, California. And I'd like to welcome

(00:47):
to the show right now, my new friend, Scott. Scott,
how are you doing.

Speaker 1 (00:53):
Hey, I am doing great. Thanks for having me on.

Speaker 2 (00:57):
I know you're gonna have a fantastic voice on here
because you do host your own spanking podcast. We're gonna
get into that soon. I just have a couple questions
to start it out, just to get us going. Does
that sound all right?

Speaker 1 (01:09):
Sounds awesome.

Speaker 2 (01:10):
First question, let's throw the kinks and anything sexual aside.
What are some of your favorite things to do?

Speaker 1 (01:17):
No, you maye throw the kinks aside, because my favorite
things to do is spanking outside of this banko scene,
which consumes a good chunk of my personal life. I'm
a big, huge gamer nerd. Grew up in the arcades
playing pac Man and all of those. Never stopped playing
video games. About an hour before this podcast, when I

(01:40):
was done with work, I was playing a video game.
So that's a lot of my private life and role
playing games. I am just a big old fantasy nerd.

Speaker 2 (01:48):
So are you talking to people online while you're doing it?

Speaker 1 (01:52):
Yep. Actually, after recording this evening, I'll be playing games
online with a few friends and we'll be chatting away
while we're doing stuff.

Speaker 2 (02:00):
This next question has absolutely nothing to do with spanking.
But have you ever been swatted while you were playing
these games?

Speaker 1 (02:07):
Oh? God no. I experimented briefly with trying to do
the online games streaming thing and discovered you have to
be the right kind of person to do that, and
it wasn't me to know. I haven't been swatted. I
do watch quite a few games streams in my spare
time when I'm too tired to play video games. Let's

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become my television. Instead of watching television, I watch people
play video games.

Speaker 2 (02:33):
My nephews actually do the same thing, but we are
not here to talk about my nephews. We are here
to talk about spanking, and I need you right now
to define yourself as a spanko.

Speaker 1 (02:44):
I am definitely as fanko. I describe myself as having
a spanking fetish. I need spanking as part of my
sexual expression. I also enjoy other types of impact play,
but spaking is the main one. So complete and utters.

Speaker 2 (03:00):
When is your earliest recollection of spanking creeping into your mind?

Speaker 1 (03:06):
Definitely as a child. For me, it was cartoons Tom
and Jerry is the big one, but there are a
few other cartoons where they would show characters getting spankings.
There were spankings going on as a kid in real
life that made me uncomfortable at the time. But when
you talk about your sexual awakening, that fascination with spanking,

(03:29):
that awakening was also combined with recognizing an attraction towards men,
and that created some awkwardness because corporal punishment was a
thing in school when I was growing up in Florida,
and during that time frame, we were in a pretty
homophobic society, I want to say, and so there was

(03:50):
a lot of fear. And so even as I was
fascinated with spakings as a child and as a teenager,
I was very much afraid of corporal punishment because I
thought it would reveal me if I got paddled in school.
I was afraid that they would be able to tell
that I liked it, and something bad would happen because

(04:13):
of that. So it was somebody that was always there
as part of my sexual awakening, but it was always
a little bit difficult, and Troy was able to come
to terms. And the minute I started coming out as gay,
I started coming out as his tank.

Speaker 2 (04:26):
So you really got the double whammy growing up. Because
when I was growing up, you know, I'm a heterosexual male.
I knew that spanking was a big thing in my life.
I knew no one else was thinking the things, you know,
at least my friends. I knew that they weren't thinking
the things that I was thinking, and I felt so
weird about it. So not only do you have the

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spanking thing, but you have the gay thing too, so
you're dealing with two things at the same time. I
could not even imagine how hard that must have been.

Speaker 1 (04:56):
Yeah, I had to be careful about steering at guys, but.

Speaker 2 (05:02):
Not saying I would have been a good gay person
back in the day. But I am a good glancer
where no one catches me looking at butts? Did you
know this right around the same time that you knew
you were gay and you knew you were a spanco The.

Speaker 1 (05:17):
Banking part probably came first, but the fascination was with
boys getting SPECD and myself getting expect It was always
with guys and eventually making that connection when I was Oh,
I want to say around twelve that this is a thing.
I am into spanking, and I am only interested in
guy when it comes to spaking. As much as I try,

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I have absolutely no interested women.

Speaker 2 (05:43):
When you were having these thoughts when you were younger,
were you always the one giving or were you always
the one receiving the spankings?

Speaker 1 (05:51):
The fantasies were always about a guy getting spect Sometimes
it was me, sometimes it was other guys that I
thought attractive. I always thought the one giving the spanking.

Speaker 2 (06:03):
Which one do you think was harder to come to
terms with you being a spanko or you being gay.

Speaker 1 (06:09):
It's a little bit tough because they're so intertwined. Nowadays,
it probably more of a challenge to come to terms
to the spanking than being gay. Because our society has
changed quite a bit, right, it.

Speaker 3 (06:21):
Still has room to grow, but we've gotten so much
better on gay issues.

Speaker 1 (06:25):
At the time by here, if I got spankish, not
that someone would discover that I was into spanking, but
someone would discover that I'm into met so the gay
thing was a lot scarier.

Speaker 2 (06:38):
I always say to people that are spankos and really
only spankos. As far as fetishes go, we got pretty
lucky because although when I was younger, growing up, I
felt like such a weirdo, but there are a lot
of fetishes out there that are way harder to explain
to someone else. I don't want to diss any other

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fetishes because everyone likes what they like, but I am
so thankful that mine was only spanking.

Speaker 1 (07:06):
I am a member of Avatar, which is a BDSM
education organization for gay men here in Los Angeles, and
so I interact with then with all sorts of fetishes
in kings And one of the interesting things is there
are people in our staking community who feel isolated from

(07:26):
the larger BDSM community because girt treated as though their
fetish isn't real because it's one of the more common ones.
So it's kind of a funny inversion there.

Speaker 2 (07:38):
I totally understand because growing up. I knew nothing. I
just knew that I liked this spanking thing, but I
didn't realize that a lot of these other more hardcore
fetishes consider us to be one of the most mild
fetishes out there, where regular people who do not get
into any fetish would think we're all a bunch of weirdos.

Speaker 1 (07:59):
Yeah. Yeah, I've gotten into flogging as well, so I've
been flogged quite a bit. But it's really funny to me,
as someone who has thirty years of experience with spanking
and about five years of experience with flogging, spaking hurts
so much more. Spaking done right and done intensely hurts
so much more than a lot of other types of

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sado masochistic play.

Speaker 2 (08:23):
I am totally okay with them thinking we are the
wimpy fetish because I don't really deal with any other fetish.
I don't really talk to anybody else that's in other fetishes.
I am happy that my fetish is being a span
go me too. So are you in a relationship?

Speaker 1 (08:39):
No? I am single.

Speaker 2 (08:42):
What would be your perfect relationship?

Speaker 1 (08:45):
So? I am a sub bottom and the partner that
I'm looking for is someone who openly embraces the statistic side,
I should say here within our community, one thing that
is similar across the various sexualities of our community is
there's a significant population of people in the spanking who

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are into the domestic discipline part of it, where the
bottom is submitting to the top for the dom for discipline,
for household reasons, sometimes for very real reasons, and they
want to have that dynamic. I don't really need that.
I am a masochist. I am looking for a man
who enjoys spanking me. I'm not interested in scolding. I'm

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not interested in being made to feel like I've done
something to deserve it. I want to feel like part
of my role in this relationship is to be spanked,
and that is kind of what I'm looking for.

Speaker 2 (09:44):
You just took away about eight of my questions. Well,
let's get on to your podcast. When did you start
the Dudes Spanking Dudes podcast? What inspired it? When did
you start it?

Speaker 1 (09:59):
I actually just something checked and I was shocked. I
started it eight years ago, much like you. I've listened
to some of your podcast episodes and you had talked
about how one of the reasons she started the podcast
was not being able to find one at the time.
When I started, it was me and a friend who
goes by either Coop or soup Goblin. It was actually

(10:19):
his idea. We had been friends for years even before
the podcast, and he had mentioned on Tumblr, which was
popular eight years ago, and he just sort of thought, Hey,
maybe someone should do a podcast about spaking. Coincidentally, I
was kind of reaching a point in my life where
I had been going to speaking parties here in Los Angeles,

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and I was just kind of looking for ways to
get more involved in the spaking community or to use
my skills in some way to help the community. And
so I just happened to see that Tumblr post, and
so I messaged him, and I started looking around and
I couldn't find any gay kink podcasts at all. Now,
of course, there are a whole bunch of them. So

(11:03):
my friends are like, how many episodes of a podcast
could you do? That it's just about men's spaking each
other and this is coming from people within their community,
and I'm like, I guess we'll find out. And right
now I'm up to episode fifty nine. And the inspiration was,
let's figure out something that I can do for the
mails paying community, and that was it.

Speaker 2 (11:24):
That's kind of what I did. I did a search,
and I found no other spanking podcasts. And I'm a
pretty good searcher on the internet, and I don't know
why this didn't come up, But there was one that
started about a year before me, called the Spanko Podcast,
and I had no idea. I actually talked about it
on my earlier shows that I did not know. I

(11:45):
apologize to them for saying that I didn't think there
was another spanking podcast, but you know they're still around.
They do episodes I think every week or every other week,
where I only do once a month, and I'm approaching
fifty I think I'm at like forty six or something
like that. But I started it because I looked for
something to listen to being a spanko, and I found nothing.

(12:07):
And their podcast is good that I want everyone running
over there and listening to theirs and not listening to mine.
So if you do go over there, come back. But
how long do you think you keep going with this?

Speaker 1 (12:19):
So the funny thing happened. The podcast blew up pretty quickly.
We realized within a month that we were doing something
that was needed in the community. As the Internet grew
and expanded all these opportunities. The internet became a great
way for people to connect with their kinks and their
fetishes and not feel so isolated, and so it blew

(12:40):
up huge. I don't want to say it wasn't my
input in the community, but it did kind of make
me well known within my community, and so eventually I
started getting more and more involved with events, and now
I actually help run spaking events.

Speaker 2 (12:57):
Scott, don't get ahead of me. That's coming back at that.
Let's just talk about this podcast, and we're going to
get into those events that you do pretty soon.

Speaker 1 (13:05):
Sure, but it did cause me to Initially I was
doing like one a month or one every couple of weeks,
and now I'm kind of doing one every quarter, not
as strictly as I used to because I'm doing all
of this other stuff.

Speaker 2 (13:18):
Isn't it great when people actually are looking forward to
an episode.

Speaker 1 (13:23):
Yes, I feel weirdly guilty sometimes when time are things
taking you away from recording a new episode.

Speaker 2 (13:30):
I like that people really do look forward to an episode,
and I really like when an episode comes out good
and I get some really good feedback from people. And
I only do one a month where it's just it's
a lot of work getting the person forming the interview
editing the episode, and then putting it out. But I

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do like the final product, and I like that people
like the final product. So people out there, if you
want to listen to this podcast, you could basically just
search Dudes Spanking Dudes, or you can go to SoundCloud
dot com. That's s o U N D C l
o U D one word dot com and that's Dudes

(14:15):
Spanking Dudes podcast.

Speaker 1 (14:17):
And I should add here that it is on the
Apple Store. I have not done the move to add
it to Spotify, which did not exist I don't think
when I started the podcast, and now a lot of
them are on Spotify. There is the option now for
me to add I just haven't gotten around to doing it.
But if you just do a search on Apple's podcast search,

(14:40):
you will also find it.

Speaker 2 (14:42):
Do any of your friends and family know about this
podcast and your spanking interests?

Speaker 1 (14:49):
About the podcast? No. One of the great things about
being in LA and being a gay man is we
have a very large BDSM scene, and we probably have
the largest male males taking scene in the US. Pretty
Much my entire friend circle our gay men who if
they're not spankos. They are part of the BDSM community. Now,

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as for family, I don't really talk about it, but awkwardly,
I think my dad knows remember our ages. I'm a
little bit younger than you, so when I hit high school.

Speaker 2 (15:25):
You keep pointing that out, that you're a little younger
than me. The last girl kept pointing out how much
how way older I am than her, So keep going there, Scott.

Speaker 1 (15:35):
But I'm just saying that because we have probably shared
memories of the Internet coming into existence when we were
in lighteen's early twenties, and it just so happened that
my dad very early made the transition into it internet technology.
So he was dealing with computers all the time. You know,
he had a laptop in like nineteen ninety one, very early,

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and I would surf the internet and I would look first,
taking stuff when he wasn't around, And I didn't know
that there was such a thing as browser histories.

Speaker 2 (16:07):
You are their fathers in the computers. You don't erase
your browser history. You're done.

Speaker 1 (16:14):
And there was a wee days, Scout, like I want
to use your computerized Okay, Scott, just keep in mind
that we can tell what pages you've been to and
he just left it at that, so he kind of.

Speaker 2 (16:24):
Knows, and nothing after that was ever talked about.

Speaker 1 (16:28):
No. No, In fact, he and I are going on
a trip to London in May, and he knows I'm
part of it is to visit a friend of mine
who I haven't seen in years, who is a fellow
SPANCO and a dom I really enjoy bottoming for, and
who I am most certainly going to get spanked a
lot by during that trip to London, and he's a
special friend, so he probably kind of knows that. But

(16:52):
we're not going to talk about it anymore. I talk
about my sex life. You know, I wouldn't do that anyway.

Speaker 2 (16:57):
What about your friends that you grew up with, any
of them know about it?

Speaker 1 (17:01):
No, You're not really in contact with any of my
friends I grew up with anymore. That is also kind
of a gen X gay experience, just moving away than
just never talking to these books again. A couple of them
I've refriended on Facebook like five years ago, just to
see kind of where their lives are. But none of
my old friends I don't even know them anymore.

Speaker 2 (17:21):
And you moved to the perfect place.

Speaker 1 (17:24):
Yeah, and funny it wasn't because of banking or my fetishes,
but I'm very happy to live here and have that,
and LA has really become a place where I really
feel like home, and I'll be happy to stay here
for the rest of my life if I can.

Speaker 2 (17:39):
So when did you get what you would consider your
first official spanco type spanking?

Speaker 1 (17:45):
So it was in my early twenties, and there were
gay publications, gay commedian newspapers. There are few left, but
most of it is now all completely online. We had
personal ads and I was living in Florida and I
answered one from a guy who is in to leather
and some BDSM, and we did a little bit of play.

(18:05):
I was still nervous and didn't really know what I
wanted and that connection really wasn't good, so it was
relatively mild and nothing really happened. So what I ended
up doing was connecting with a guy who had the
hots for me, told him I was interested in spaking,
and got him doing some spaking play. We had a
really good time, and I determined that yes, this is

(18:27):
something that I really wanted. I enjoyed it much much
more than the sex. It wasn't a surprise because all
of my fantasies were about spaking instead of sex, so
it was nice to have that verification.

Speaker 2 (18:39):
So I know everyone's answer to this question is so
different because people who are into spanking, whether they're giving
it or getting it, fifty different people could be in
the room and they liked their spanking a different way.
So when it comes to you, if you were going
to teach someone the art of giving the perfect spanking,
what tips we you give that person for you? Specifically,

(19:03):
I like many more hands on. I like contact.

Speaker 1 (19:06):
This is a little bit funny to say this. I
like to know that the man is attracted to me.
I like to know that he likes my butt. Now,
this is probably just like an extremely middle aged gay
man thing. This is something that has happened in the
past ten years whenever another gay man tells me I

(19:28):
have a nice but it is such an ego boost.
I can't explain it. That's it now thing. When I
was younger, it wasn't really liked that. But I need
to know that he is going to enjoy spanking me.
That is like the number one most important thing we
all talk about our individual headspaces. So I am a

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little bit of an extrovert in spanking in a certain way.
I did both a top and to bottom, and in
both cases, my enjoy it comes a lot from knowing
that I am fulfilling the other person's needs, and particularly
their statistic needs. So I want you to feel and
here your enjoyment of spanking need.

Speaker 2 (20:14):
Now, I'm the one who's giving the spankings, and I
love when someone thinks I have a nice butt. Not
that they're going to be spanking it, but I absolutely
love when someone thinks I have a nice butt. It
makes me feel good. But it's their butt that I'm
more concerned with.

Speaker 4 (20:30):
So a good spanking will be right back. Stay tuned,
or you will be punished. Most of you were well
behaved during the break. Unfortunately some had to learn the
hard way.

Speaker 5 (20:44):
Oh oh, settled down, Welcome back.

Speaker 4 (20:57):
The podcast will resume.

Speaker 1 (20:59):
Now.

Speaker 2 (21:00):
I know you're not into the disciplinary part and you're
not really into the lecturing, but are there words or
phrases for you that make a spanking a little bit better.

Speaker 1 (21:11):
I want to feel that I'm being tough when I'm
taking a spak age, that I am taking on pain.
So I like to hear things like yeah, that's right,
take it. You could take it, stick that butt out.
For me, I like getting those kinds of orders, things
that remind me that this is how I'm supposed to be,

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this is who I am. I am a masochist, so
I need to be bending over. I need to be
sticking my butt out and up in the air for
him to spank. When I am in my headspace, I
have a very particular reaction. When I am in my
headspace and this spanking is going well, I start to growl.

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I cannot control it. And what really turns me on
as a bottom are tops who enjoy hearing that.

Speaker 2 (22:05):
I don't know what I would do if I was
spanking a woman and all of a sudden she started growling,
that would be something new to me. I guess I
would have to address it when the time came, and
then I would have to talk about it on the podcast.

Speaker 1 (22:17):
Yeah. Yeah, So it is because of that reaction. I
think that's one of the reasons why I don't kind
of get into the discipline and the lecturing and to
make me feel bad. Thing. I don't want to feel bad.
I want to feel like good isn't the right word,
because I want to feel the pain. I wanted to hurt,
and particularly the more and where I get into my
head space more and where I want to feel the pain,
but I want to feel manly, if that makes any sense.

(22:41):
And there are probably some sort of psychology behind that,
being a gay man who grew up at a time
period where homosexuality was associated with effeminacy, but that headspace
is probably something shaped by me wanting to prove myself.

Speaker 2 (22:58):
I could definitely see it not working if a guy
was into the scolding and he calls you a naughty boy,
and all of a sudden, you're like, Wow, that's probably
not going to work for the two of you. You're
not going to be a good match.

Speaker 1 (23:10):
I apologize if I'm about to trigger any women listeners.

Speaker 2 (23:14):
I don't have any women listeners out there.

Speaker 1 (23:18):
So I like to play with a lot of different
guys as much as I would like to find the
right guy. The great thing about being in LA and
going to these parties in time is I have gotten
so many spankings and doms who know me, who have
the same kind of mindset. And once I give that
sort of permission to be what I call bullies speaking bullies,
they do to call me a slut. Wow, because that

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is something that's often used derogatory towards women. I don't
know a single gay man who feels that as a
derogatory term. Is there only a lot of women who
are open and comfortable with their sexualities don't probably feel
that it's a derogratory term because like me, they enjoy
the experience of connecting sexually or kinky with lots of

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other people. It is a judgment from people who you know,
a slut is just somebody who has more sex than you.
So really all you're doing is just admitting how little
sex you have.

Speaker 2 (24:16):
So in twenty twenty four, I know you went through
a change and you're probably thinking, what the hell is
he talking about? But you change your handle from red
spank Scott to hot bot Scott. What sparked that whole
change for you?

Speaker 1 (24:32):
So? I started off in the spaking scene as a
complete bottom. When I moved out here to California. Even
before I had moved out here to LA I had
started becoming more and more of a switch within the
male staking scene. Switch is the most common identity. So
if I became a switch for a while and then
I was a complete top or nearly a decade, that

(24:54):
was Redbank, Scott. At the time I started the podcast,
I was primarily a top. Then I started realizing that
I wasn't really happy just being a top again in
our community. Not sure about your community. This is actually
something that a lot of male doms experience by not

(25:15):
receiving the impact play this bankings, the pain and stuff,
I was missing out. And so I just had a
really good vibe with a dom who was at a party,
and so I asked him if he would spank me,
and I really really enjoyed it. It's like, oh, I
really needed this. And then I started becoming more of
a switch. And since I had been a top for

(25:37):
so long, whenever I identified as a switch, I would
pretty much always end up giving spankings and rarely getting them.
And I got to the point where I was feeling
more and more unsatisfied. And so there's an event, and
I know we're going to talk about it, so I
won't get into it too much. But I decided to

(25:58):
attend this event entirely as a bottom, and I enjoyed
that experience so much that I realized I needed to
switch back. I needed to reclaim my bottom hood. Being
a top was fun. Being switched was fun, but it
was being a bottom and a submissive where my needs
were fulfilled. Now. Red spanks Scott was an old handle

(26:22):
of mine as an online identity back in the early days,
when you were on a gay hookup side or a
gay dating site or a gay fetish side or whatever,
you wanted to put something in your name that indicated
what your kinks very clearly were. So red spanks Scott
if you saw that, you knew what that meant. Hot
bought Scott was a clever name. I came up with

(26:44):
much much later, but this was after I started the
podcast and red spak Scott became my community identity. And
then after this event, I was like, no, I am
a bottom. This is what I am, this is my identity.
It's time to change my name.

Speaker 2 (26:59):
Why didn't you make it hot butt Scott.

Speaker 1 (27:03):
Scott By is also a nickname among gay men for biden.

Speaker 2 (27:07):
Okay, I think that any scenario that you could think
of in the gay spanking community, someone has gone through
a similar experience in the other spanking community. Because everything
you said, I've heard from different people. They'll start out
as a switch sometimes or they'll just start out as

(27:27):
a bottom or they'll start out as a top, then
they'll want to experience different things. People change all the time.
So anything you're thinking that you don't know if it's
happening in the other community, it definitely is. But you
were talking about parties. Was at the first party you
went to that you were talking about?

Speaker 1 (27:46):
Oh no, no, no, this was just last year in Las Vegas,
a party that I actually helped start.

Speaker 2 (27:52):
What was the first party you actually went to?

Speaker 1 (27:55):
It was in two thousand and three or two thousand.
There's a party here in Los Angeles, a monthly spaking
party called moon Bern. It's a male mail or all
male spaking party. And I was introduced to it by
a dom that I've been playing with here in southern
California who brought me there for the first time, and

(28:16):
I've been kind of coming to it ever since. So yeah,
I've been going to spaking party is on a pretty
regular basis for more than twenty years.

Speaker 2 (28:27):
Did you recently go to the hot Seat Retreat in
Palm Springs, California.

Speaker 1 (28:33):
I am one of the founders of hot Seat Retreat,
and so yes, I was there. We just had our
fit one in Palm Springs.

Speaker 2 (28:40):
I was going through it and you said you have
some icebreaker games. I'm sure that's to start the party flow.
What are some of the icebreaker games that you guys do, So,
if you've.

Speaker 1 (28:51):
Ever gone to like a corporate retreat or something, and
they do these fun little games where they help people
get to know each other, and they're just fun little
things where you have to guess things about each other,
or a bingo card, you know, where you have to
ask people questions to get answers from them and find
out information about them. And then he just adds baking

(29:13):
twists to him, so like if you ask a question,
the answers no, the person gets to give you a
swat until somebody wins.

Speaker 2 (29:20):
I've never been to a spanking party really big or small.
I've been to a small gathering of you know, four people,
So I've never been to any of these, but I
know that they'd have these scheduled events. What are some
of the big scheduled events besides the eating and the mingling.
What are the events that have to do basically just

(29:41):
with spanking that you guys have planned for these big parties.

Speaker 1 (29:45):
Yeah, for a Hot Seed, we just had our fifth win.
It's actually technically been around for six years now.

Speaker 2 (29:51):
This is hot Seat Retreat, because I know there's also
hot Seat Vegas, which we'll be talking about.

Speaker 1 (29:55):
Soon, right, Yeah, So hot Seat Retreat. We started it
in twenty March twenty twenty, which it was literally the
last weekend before the entire world shut down from COVID.
So when we initially started it, we didn't really plan
a lot and most of it was just getting people
together and just seeing what developed. And so for a

(30:18):
hot Seat Retreat, it takes place in this lovely clothing
optional gaym Ail resort in Palm Springs, where it's small
enough that we're able to rent out all the rooms.
And what we just did is we just got people
together and we just kind of waited to see what
would happen. And what kind of what happened was a

(30:38):
lot of role play. There are four of us who
run this event, and I'm responsible for the event activities,
so I'm the event coordinators essentially, And so I said, okay, well,
people seem to really want to use this event to
kind of roleplay out these fantasies. So I introduced last

(30:58):
year what we call role tracks for the three most
common role play gatacies that were coming up at them
when was age play, so it's called Dad's Roles. And
then the Principal's office, which is you know, principles and
coaches in school discipline are authentic that sort of discipline.
And then the third one is for guys like me

(31:19):
who liked the dominage play, is called the Bully Patrol.
So those were the kinds of experiences.

Speaker 2 (31:25):
So you co run two events. You co run hot
Seat Retreat and Hot Seat Vegas. Yes, and Hot Seat
Vegas is coming up. That's your next big party, which
will be July thirtieth to August third, and that is
in Las Vegas, Nevada. How many years have you been
doing that?

Speaker 1 (31:45):
This is just our second year. We just started out
one last year.

Speaker 2 (31:49):
Does that have pretty much the same events?

Speaker 1 (31:52):
We decided to learn from our previous experiences. We didn't
want to do this sort of top down thing. Dealing
with Vegas hotels is also new for us at a
huge learning curve, as you can imagine, because Vegas focuses
on doing these events. So we kept things really kind
of loose. Who wanted to make a good impression and

(32:14):
so we kept the structure fairly modest. We did do
a casino Night, which was really fun where we got
volunteers within our community who knew how to deal a
blackjack or roulette or craps. If you lost your chips,
you had to get swat to see who would win
the most. We had a bunch of newcomers who had

(32:37):
never been to an event at all. That was kind
of like the goal for Vegas. It was super hot
that that happened. Because Vegas is so accessible, Palm Springs
is a little bit less accessible. There's another event that
I'm not involved with up in northern California in the
campground that's limited and difficult to get to. And there's
the other one that's in Georgia. I love that party,

(32:59):
but it ends sometimes be a little bit difficult to
get to. The biggest party brought in a bunch of people.
We had close to two hundred guys there and probably
about a third of them had never come to a
spaking event before. So I made sure we had a
session just for them to all meet each other and
help them get to know each other so they didn't

(33:20):
feel so isolated and alone in the community and that
sort of thing.

Speaker 2 (33:25):
Do you think any of the other people that were
in the hotel got curious about what was going.

Speaker 1 (33:29):
On, probably, but I mean, it's the Vegas, but the
hotel had a bunch of separate buildings. That's what we did,
is we reagil the entire buildings. You could go and
give spakings in your room. You did not worry about
your neighbors hearing it or anything like that. I had
a lot of fun actually listening to my next to
oor neighbor giving out spankings.

Speaker 2 (33:48):
Now and then, and people out there that is hot
Seat Vegas. You could just do a search, it'll come
right up. That's coming up on July thirtieth through August third.
What are the for that?

Speaker 1 (34:01):
Right now? We run early bird registration and until May
thirty first, and so if you're attending all four days,
registration for the event is three hundred and eighty five dollars.
That does not include the room. The room prices are
super super cheap. It is Vegas. That's one of the
reasons why we wanted to do an event in Vegas,

(34:21):
because we knew it would be so cheap to stay there.
The rooms are cheap and they're huge. So three hundred
and eighty five for four days, three hundred and forty
dollars for three days, two hundred and ninety five dollars
for two days. Now, after June first, prices will jump
up four hundred and twenty five dollars for four days,

(34:41):
three hundred and seventy dollars for three days, three hundred
and fifteen dollars for two days. We'll probably do day passes.
We haven't settled in the prices for those yet. That
includes all meals. We also have complimentary snacks and refreshments.
Who alize how water available is going to be a
Las Daigs In July and August last year it got

(35:03):
up to one hundred and seventeen degrees and we're very
aware of that. People are like, well, why are you
doing the event during the summer in Biggas think because
number one is cheap. Number two through our community events
and we didn't want to put them too close to
other events.

Speaker 2 (35:23):
Do any straight guys come to your event?

Speaker 1 (35:25):
I don't really ask. We have had men who identify
a straight come to those monthly parties. I said that
we have here in Los Angeles. That was how I
first started attending spanking parties. Now I am one of
the organizers of those as well. We do have men
who identify as heterosexual they are typically bottoms. There are
some identify as heterosexuals who do also want to spank guys,

(35:48):
but a lot of them typically have a need to
be spanked by other men. Kinks are kinks. Kinks are
their own thing, and I'm not going to judge anyone
for that. There are married men who are married to
women with the events, and the ones that I have known,
their wives know. There's one I met whose wife sent him.
I love it when it happens because some guys have

(36:10):
to hide it or feel that they need to have
to hide it. But there are some men out there
in relationships with women or married to women who needs
they can play with men.

Speaker 2 (36:20):
So you weren't kidding at the beginning of this podcast.
You are a spiko, You're a gamer, and I don't
know where you find any time for work because you're
running everything out there in California when it comes to spancos.

Speaker 1 (36:34):
Well not everything, but I mean, I will say, if
you are attending a spanking event in southern California, there
is a one chance that I'm involved in. That's why
I love the one in Georgia. They're great because they
do educational presentations. We don't do that because of the
people will give classes and lectures on using certain implements,

(36:57):
doing certain types of role play. So I go there
so that I can relax, and I could just spend
the whole weekend playing and having fun and joining company
of friends and not feeling like there's any pressure on
me to do anything.

Speaker 2 (37:11):
I run a few fantasy baseball and football leagues, and
I am with you. When I am running the league,
you can't relax. But when I go to a league
that I'm not running, it is the best time. I
just bring my beer or I buy my beer at
the bar wherever we are, I relax. I sit there
with my list. I'm not doing anything except for picking

(37:33):
my team, and that is fantastic. So do any women
ever come to these parties? Do they ever accompany their
men or do they come by themselves?

Speaker 1 (37:43):
The parties are all male only. What I mean by
male only is male identified or maskouon identified. I'm thinking
for my events here. I believe it is true for
most events, but I haven't really plunged deeply into it.
All of you that's so I'm involved with are open
to transmn and non binary masculine folks, and there are

(38:06):
both of those categories of people who have attended the
events that I run.

Speaker 2 (38:10):
What is the biggest issue that you have either seen
at an event or had like you had to actually
deal with the issue.

Speaker 1 (38:18):
Fortunately, the good thing about our community is that doesn't
happen a lot. When you're dealing with men and women
and you're dealing with BDSM, there are a lot of
really important security and safety issues to protect women in
as seen where they're submitting to men, and they're choosing
to submit to men, and they need to know that

(38:39):
the men are going to play safely. Those safety issues,
of course, are part of any BDSM community, and they're
part of our community as well. And there have been
occasional predators. The irony here or I guess a paradox
because our community is so small, there's nowhere to hide.
If you misbehave in our community, it gets surround very quickly.

(39:04):
One of the challenges we face that I have to
deal with is someone not coming to me with a
problem and I think this is a male thing. It's
not a gay mail thing, it's a guy thing. Guys
don't want to admit when there's a problem they don't
want to cause drama, do not want to have people
gossiping about them, causing problems, and so sometimes if something

(39:29):
bad happens, I won't find out about it, which is
awkward because it's my responsibility to deal with it, and
I'll find out about it later through the great fly.
Most of the times I am officially the DM at
the speaking parties, but there is so little need for
a DM at a male spaking party that I actually

(39:51):
get to play as well. I don't want to downplay
that this happens, because again, I don't want men out
there thinking that they just have to deal with a
problem or they shouldn't say anything if there's a problem.
There are creditors in our community too, and it gets around.

Speaker 4 (40:09):
The show will be right back. I have to teach
someone a very important lesson. Oh sorry for the delay.
Now back to the show.

Speaker 2 (40:29):
Have you ever given or received a spanking from a woman?

Speaker 1 (40:34):
I have received spankings from non binaries and trans men
who I see as masculine. I've watched videos of women's
baking men and it's all about the man, It's all
about the butt. I am all about the but I
am the zero on the Kinsey scale. I have never
had any sexual or kink attraction to women, and I

(40:55):
am not sure I could get into that headspace.

Speaker 2 (41:00):
Well, Scott, I'm glad to hear this because that leaves
more for me. So I'm excited for this news. But
how do you feel about aftercare?

Speaker 1 (41:10):
Personally? I'm not into it as a bottom. I like
to live with the experience of what just happened. I
don't want to be comforted. I don't need to be comforted.
I want to feel tough, so I want to feel
that pain. I want to be told how hot I am.

Speaker 2 (41:29):
Well Hotbot Scott.

Speaker 1 (41:30):
Hot by Scott. As i've become a sluttier bottom, I've
realized how important actor here is if I want to
play with lots of guys. So I've kind of gotten
into a little bit with queens and stuff and realizing
that I like physical contact with my butt, you know,
and butt rubbing and the whole sort of putting on
the low shuit and all that sort of thing is
a turn on for them, and by reflection, that's a

(41:52):
turn on for me. So I love how it feels
and being in sort of a submissive position while they
do that to extend that feeling of this is how
I'm supposed to be, this is who I am. I'm
at bottom, I'm supposed to be spank I'm supposed to
have my ass available for him. That sort of thing.
As a top, I was terrible at it. I identify
as asexual as well. I'm gay, but I am a sexual.

(42:15):
I have not had same typical intercourse. Is kind of
a weird thing to do when you're talking to a
heterosexual man, because I don't know how many straight people
think that any of the sex that gay men does
is typical because it's you know, but I haven't done
I haven't had sex that involves.

Speaker 2 (42:35):
I think I absolutely know what you're trying to say.

Speaker 1 (42:38):
Yeah, I haven't had that sort of sex. It's all
spanking bds. I'm an impact play right, and so I'm
not terribly affectionate as a top. That was really hard
for me. I mean more than happy to let them
sit on my lap and be cool down. I tell
him how awesome they are, you know. I try to
be that kind of comforting guy that again be like, oh,

(42:59):
you took it amazing, spanking, that was so much fun.
I love doing that. I'm looking forward to the next time.
That's the kind of comfort I did for after care,
as kind of comfort I like as a bottom for
after it hair.

Speaker 2 (43:12):
I am the one who's giving the spankings, and I
absolutely not only love giving a good butt massage, I
love getting a good massage. Do you have any videos
out there of you?

Speaker 1 (43:27):
So? They're on spanking Tube. There's also a very huge
mail mail section if you go and look at communities
in there. So there are two videos from the same top,
once in Vegas and once in Georgia, and then only
it uses my name unfortunately, So I can tell you, guys,
if you want to know it's me, listen for the
growl number two, part of my slutty bottom phase, and

(43:54):
I promise you this is the gay bail thing. I
have converted my underwear inventory, so if you go to
online places that specialize in sexy underwear, there are pikaboo briefs.
They're not jockstraps. I mean I do have lots of jockstraps,
but there are briefs that there's a cutout for the butt.
And now I am always wearing those briefs. When my

(44:17):
pants come down, my butt is right there. And those
videos when I'm wearing a jockstrap, but in the second one,
I am wearing briefs, you know, and there's my butt
is just immediately out. Because I don't have those discipline needs.
I want to feel submissive. I want to feel that
bottles page. Having that out and making that a requirement

(44:37):
sort of almost for myself, is forcing myself to think
of myself as a submissive person.

Speaker 2 (44:43):
Now. A handful of girls that I know like to
watch male male spanking. They also like to watch male
male porn, but we're talking spanking here.

Speaker 1 (44:52):
Oh, I know how much women out there love seeing
mens take each other.

Speaker 2 (44:56):
In your opinion, who makes the best ma a male
spanking videos?

Speaker 1 (45:02):
That is a difficult question because I do so much
play now, I don't watch a lot of spanking videos.
So a lot of the big companies that used to
make a lot of male spaking videos have gone out
of business. There's a massive, wonderful amateur scene. I can
talk about my favorite spaking video of all time, and

(45:23):
it's when I talked about pretty early on in my
podcast because it hits on some favorite fantasies of mine
and is by a company called Tropics Video. They were
only around for a few years late nineties, early two thousands.
They're long gone. I don't know who has their videos anymore.
They did a video called Lunch Money. Remember earlier in

(45:43):
the podcast when I talked about my fascination with bullys,
Yes and bullym So the theme of the video is
a little bit of an age play thing. But the
idea was that the bully goes to this boy demanding
his lunch money, and he does have any, and the
bully punishes him with the spanking, and both of the

(46:04):
actors are super hot, and the spaking was really hard.
The bottom had a really great butt, And one of
the trends I haven't really enjoyed in male spaking videos
is a complete emphasis on the bottom. It is the
assumption that the audience is there to see a hot
guy get spanked. In this case, they thought a really
hot guy to do the spanking. So for me, I

(46:27):
was fantasizing about being the guy the bully was faking.
And then when it ended, the bully said next time,
you'll get the belt. And it had this sort of
open ended fantasy to it, with the idea of this
poor innocent boy was going to get spanked again by
this bully, and he no longer has any control over it.

(46:48):
So for me, it was one of the few times
I had seen a video that hit on one of
my fantasies when I started fantasizing about being spanked when
I was hitting cuberty passage about someone breaking into my
room at night and holding me down and spanking for
like no reason at all.

Speaker 2 (47:07):
So you don't watch any women's spanking women or men's
spanking women videos.

Speaker 1 (47:13):
No, I have seen a few videos of women's banking men.
There's this adorable hot British bottom boy, Michael Darling. Does
that name ring a bell?

Speaker 2 (47:23):
Not one bit?

Speaker 1 (47:26):
Okay, I watched him get spanked by women just because
he is this amazing spankable butt. But no, I've never
really watched women getting spanked, either by men or women.

Speaker 2 (47:36):
Is there a great website or app where guys can
find other guys into this.

Speaker 1 (47:42):
Yes, And as a matter of fact.

Speaker 2 (47:44):
You're a partner in this too. No, but he is.

Speaker 1 (47:49):
A partner with us. A friend of mine here in
La named Jaden who is one of the founders of
Hot Seat Vegas. He was one of the founders of
Hot Seed Retreat in Palm Springs. He made an app
called wax. It's spelled out whappz. We started working on
this around the same time that I started doing the podcast.

(48:10):
It's a website so that you can go to whappz
dot com. Is also an app that's available on both
Apple and Google, and it is an online app where
you can put up a profile, find guys in your area,
and it has event listings on there. So all of
these events that I talked about, all those parties, even

(48:30):
the ones that I don't know about are the ones
I don't mention. A lot of them register or events
on wax and so there's this sort of community tab
he links to all my podcast episodes. You can find
my stuff on there, and it has kind of become
the sort of central core part of the American mail
spaking community. It is available across the world, so that

(48:51):
is probably the number one place or men who are
looking for spaking play with other men, and one of
the great things about it for men of various sexual orientations. Jaden,
like myself, is also asexual, so when he was developing
this app, he was very aware of the possibility that

(49:11):
there are men who want to do spaking play and
nothing else. He has a place when you can place
your orientation. So there are guys on there who are
strength and it also has something called the intimacy level,
so you can say whether or not you want sex,
whether it's negotiable, whether you don't want anything at all,
and no matter what other parts of you you want

(49:33):
to participate in, you can find a home there. He
has a tagging system so you can indicate what kind
of interest you have. So if you're into domestic discipline,
there's a tag for that, if you're into age play,
there's a tag for that. It's either a particular implements
you prefer there or tags for that. And it's just
this wonderful, flexible, great, great tool.

Speaker 2 (49:55):
Do you have any other fetishes? Speaking of all these
little options I can.

Speaker 1 (50:00):
Choose, I've kind of discovered that I am actually into
all things impact play. Like I said, I like flogging.
I actually enjoy face slapping. The exception is CBT, cock
and balls are insurance that is not my place. But
without a doubt, as long as I've got spankings on
a regular basis, I'd be a happy.

Speaker 2 (50:20):
Man, all right. So you got to suspend reality here.
If the whole world was down with what we do.
Is there a public place you would love to get one?

Speaker 1 (50:32):
I do have exhibitionist tendencies. Hot seat retreat into when
it pops springs. It is a quoted optional resort. So
I've been spanked in public in this base of the resort.
It's all men around, so it was kind of a
quote unquote safe space. But there are you know, dozens
of guys we're able to see me get spake. So
where is it most likely that Ben would be the

(50:52):
wedge to see it? Because that would be the most enjoyable.
It would be the most enjoyable part for me that
other men who shared my kink would see it. You
know what pro wrestling? I would love to get expected
at pro wrestling that I strongly believe that pro wrestlers,
both male and female share an impact played kink. It's

(51:15):
all choreographed, yes, but it's real. The impact is real
and it hurts, you know. I have a friend who
compiles videos of incidences in professional wrestling matches where men
spank each other.

Speaker 2 (51:28):
I have not really seen a lot of those, but man,
some of those women take such great spankings in the
wrestling matches, and I think they've all gotten at least
one in their career.

Speaker 1 (51:40):
Yeah, there's a wrestler that I find really really hot,
a actual Jacob Friedman. He's a heel they call it,
so he's a bad boy and he's a bit of
a bully and my fantasy is to get spanked by him.
But there's a match where he got spanked and it
was super super hot. But yeah, if I could choose who.

(52:01):
In addition to the location, if Maxel Jacob Freeman wants
to put me over his knee in wrestling ring for
the entire audience to watch, I would absolutely do it.
I would do it right now.

Speaker 2 (52:12):
You could do anything you want on me. Never told
for a good spanking podcast. Besides that one, if it happened.
Is there a spanking experience that you'll always remember.

Speaker 3 (52:23):
Yes, there's a type of spaking that I call a whoopin,
And I'm sure a lot of folks in your audience
can relate and have had this habit to them, which
is a hard, full force spanking that starts on the
bare butt with no warm up, and it is intended
to hurt, and it is intended to push her great
clear limits and leave you bawling.

Speaker 1 (52:44):
And for my birthday, I think it was my futy
fifth birthday. I got a dom that I liked playing
with at the time to give me that with a
Jakari paddle, and it was wonderfully intense, super hardcore, just
wailed away on my I don't even know how long

(53:04):
it lasted, probably about five minutes, but it was just
absolutely vicious. And I can't really normally take stuff like that.
But whenever I can able to take those super intense
or super long sessions, like I said before, I want
to go away for my staking feeling like I'm a
tough guy, and those do it for me.

Speaker 2 (53:26):
What advice could you give others out there that are
having a hard time accepting this whole spanking thing.

Speaker 1 (53:33):
I mean, it's a hard time accepting it. There's evidence,
there's been research, and I've mentioned this on my podcast.
I'm sure if you looked it up, you probably mentioned
it on yours as well. When people have surveyed adults
about their most common sexual fantasies that are not vanilla
sex or conditional sex, speaking is the number one, so

(53:53):
you are in big company. Number two. The fantasies don't
go away. So if you have, like us, been fantasizing
about spanking ever since you were younger, and it has
been part of your sexual maturation. It doesn't go away,
so ignoring that part of yourself is going to leave

(54:13):
you unfulfilled. Just notice me be part of the spanking
community for so long and still having to go back
and reconnect with my bottom side because it was not
feeling fulfilled. I don't want to give relationship advice here,
which is super awkward because I have mostly been single
my adult life. I am not terribly interested in monogamy.

(54:35):
I'm reluctant to give advice to people who are hiding
spanking from their partners. But I do know people in
both my community and your community where there are partners
who aren't necessarily into spanking, but are comfortable with the
idea of their partners getting those needs fulfilled from other
people and learn to recognize that it's a part of

(54:59):
who they are are. It's not all they are, but
it's a need that needs to be fulfilled, and if
they love you, they will find ways to work with that.

Speaker 2 (55:11):
I always tell people, if you are going to introduce
this to someone in a relationship, it is way better
doing it early on in the relationship, because if you
drop this bomb on them a year, two years into
the relationship, it's probably not going to go over as
well as it would had you dropped that bomb on

(55:31):
them a month two months into the relationship.

Speaker 1 (55:35):
Yeah. Absolutely. There is also interesting as late bloomer. Not
everyone who has gotten into spanking had those fantasies the
way that we have. I don't even have any theories
as to why someone might be a late bloomer into
a kink or a fetish, but it's very clear that
some people are. But yeah, if you know this side
of yourself, you need to be willing to embrace that.

Speaker 2 (55:58):
How could people out if they want to talk a
little bit about this, maybe they have some questions for you.
How can they get a hold of you?

Speaker 1 (56:06):
Yeah, so awkwardly. The easiest way is to join WAPs.
I am on WAPs as Hot Bought Scott. That is
the easiest way to reach EAT. I am on X
the podcast is on X as Dudes Spank Dudes, and
I am also on Instagram as Dudes Spanking Dudes. I'm

(56:26):
terrible at Instagram. I'm too old for Instagram.

Speaker 2 (56:29):
I find insta horrible.

Speaker 1 (56:32):
I'm so confused by it. If you find the podcast
Dude Sneaking Dudes on SoundCloud. There is also a way
on there to send me messages, but the easiest way,
particular if you're a man in the scene and you
join WAPs. I check WAPs constantly every day, So send
me a message on WAPs and I'm very likely to

(56:53):
see it pretty quickly.

Speaker 2 (56:54):
And guys out there, if you are looking for another
guy that's into spanking, check out that wap. It's whappz.
It's an app right website, okay, And also check out
the Dudes Spanking Dudes podcasts. That's spanking without a G
kind of like never too old for a good spanking

(57:16):
without a G. So check out that podcast. You could
basically just search the podcast it will come up in Google,
or you can go right to SoundCloud. And you also
said you were on Apple Podcasts now right, and you
just missed the hot Seat Retreat, but I'm sure it'll
be back next March, so check that site out. That's
hot Seat Retreat. But the one coming up in July,

(57:39):
that's July thirtieth through August third. Who he also is
a co organizer of it is hot Seat Vegas, So
go check that site. Out to Scott. I have to
say that you have been a great guest. I want
to thank you very much for coming on here. I
know that whenever I message you, at first you had
wondered if I message is the wrong person because you

(58:02):
thought that my podcast would have nothing to do with
anything that you had to say. But I think that
people will enjoy it. Spanking is spanking, and there's a
lot of us out there. But thank you very much
for doing this. Do you have anything you want to
say to people out there before I kick your butt
off of this episode?

Speaker 1 (58:23):
As an asexual man, I am totally comfortable with being
spanked by straight guys and I won't make it sexual.
So if you're a straight guy out there and why's
to spank a dude, you could spank me.

Speaker 2 (58:34):
And they should go right to WAPs and find you. Yes,
are you hot Bot Scott on WAPs?

Speaker 1 (58:40):
Yes, I'm hot Bot Scott on.

Speaker 2 (58:42):
All right, Scott, why don't you say goodbye to everyone
out there?

Speaker 1 (58:46):
Goodbye everyone?

Speaker 2 (58:47):
All right, Scott, thanks again and everybody else. That wraps
up another episode of the Never Too Old for a
Good Spanking Podcast. I will see you next time.