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This is Nicole Whitney News for theSoul, life changing talk radio from the
uplifting to the unexplained. You're nowtuned in to Nicole Whitney's News for the
Soul highlights, life changing spotlights shehas shared with leading teachers in the human
consciousness field since nineteen ninety seven.Go now to newsforthsoul dot com to hear

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the full shows totally free. That'snewsforthsoul dot com. Yay, we are
live apl eleventh, twenty seventeen.It is ten am pacifics eleven Mountain time.
I do believe, and that's thetime we had peg Deli for a
very special hour on News for theSoul, especially in times that we are
in right now. We've talked tohim many times over the years, and

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this, I believe is going tobe one of the most important chats because
of what's going on in our worldtoday. Great Great New York Times bestselling
author is internationally known as the pioneerin bridging science and spirit, which is
one of the favorite places we'd liketo hang out. Following successful career as
a computer and geologist in the nineteenseventies, he worked as a senior in
the aism with the US Air ForceBase Command during the Cold War years in

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the eighties. In the nineties hebecame started. I think that's when he
started exploring the spirituality side as well, and the two come together in a
very most interesting way for high outand villages, remote monasteries and forgotten texts
and started connecting the dots, andit's where it gets really exciting. Today
we're going to talk about his latestbook as well, Resilience of the Heart.

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I understand it's the revised edition ofThe Turning Point, so we're going
to find out all about that andfind out well. I'm most excited about
checking in and tuning in with agreat exciting perspective, conscious perspective on what
the heck is going on in ourworlds of extremes right now. Great breaking
welcome back to news for the film. Hey Nicole, it's so good to

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hear your voice. I'm absolutely thrilledto be with you today. I'm thrilled
to be with our audience. Thankyou for inviting me back. We have
We've done this a number of times. And when I saw the list came
into my office of my media interviewsthat I was going to have this week.
I saw your name a big smileon my face because we always have
a really great program, and Iappreciate you very much. Thank you.
Oh right back. Actually, weare very much appreciating the piece that you

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bring to the big picture. Andholy moly, I don't even know where
to start today. I can't.I've been a few years since you talked,
you know, I can I start? Can I get us started today?
I'm going to just share with ourlisteners. I had a really interesting
interview recently another radio station. Andthe first thing the interviewer said to me,

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he didn't say, welcome to theshow, How are you anything like
that? He said, Greg,why can't you stick with one topic like
everybody else? He said, youare all over the map? He said,
are you talking about science? Spirituality? About DNA, about ancient history,
about earth magnetics, about climate change? He goes, what are you
talking about? And I said,you know, every one of those things

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that you've just mentioned is a facetof the human experience. And in a
very real sense, I said,I am talking about one one thing,
one topic. It just happens tobe a really big topic, and it's
about us and our relationship to ourselvesinto the world, into the past and
one another into the future. Andthen he said, well, let's take
a station break, and then wecame back and did the rest of the

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interviews. So my work, itdoes touch on many facets of our experience
because we don't live in a vacuum. That's the world that we live in.
And that's one of the reasons Ilove working with Nicole, because you
are doing such a beautiful job oftaking a message that for some people is
a new way in a very differentway of thinking, and sharing this in
a responsible way across the airwaves.And I appreciate that, just appreciate it

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tremendously. Well, you know,like I said, we'd really value your
work and your piece, and I'mextremely interested to get your overall perspective.
That's where I'd like to start,is, you know, if the world's
very different than it was when welast talked. We were kind of on
this exciting assents of connection and youknow, you were showing videos of tumors
disappearing in sixty seconds. We're allvery happy and excited and boo, and

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we thought we'd be in a differentplace by now. It's got this overall
view of things kind of going offthe rails in the mainstream, and I
thought we were further ahead, evolvedconsciously and you know, perspective on where
we are in the world, withinthe spirit and consciousness connections. How would
you sum it up in that view? Yes, you know it's I was

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just reading a history summary of thelast two hundred years of our experience and
what many historians now are suggesting theyembraced that. The twentieth century they're saying,
was a century of what they're they'recalling a century of discovery. Okay,
so you know the big discoveries ofphysics, classical physics, quantum physics,

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sub atomic particles, DNA, theDead Sea scrolls, the non Commodi
line Library, the oldest records ofthe New Testament, the Nogamadi, and
you know space exploration. It wasa century of exploration and it revealed many
things to us. And the twentyfirst century, they say, where we
are right now is we are ona very steep learning curve of discovering.

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What where those discoveries fit in ourlives? How do we apply what we
now know to be true in oureveryday lives? And I think the world
is reflecting that right now, Nicole, I trust personally, I trust in
the process. The world is adifferent place than I expected that we would
be in. On the one hand, and on the other hand, the

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indigenous people that I've talked to andworked with many of the ancient texts,
they say, within the first twentyfive years of this new century, they
said, we won't even recognize ourlives in our world anymore. And I
think, you know, we're seeingthat happen. So we're we're learning about
ourselves and our relationship to the worldbased upon new discoveries. And this is

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what I'm writing about the new book. Well, the newest book that is
on the market right now that youhave access to is called Resilience from the
Heart. There's actually another book thatwill be released October of this year called
the title is Human by Design.And both of these books are based upon
peer reviewed science. So it's rocksolid science. Not necessarily my opinion or

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my perspective or my hypotheses or mytheories. But this is the new science,
Nicole, that is changing the waywe think about ourselves and our relationship
to the world. On the onehand, and on the other hand,
there is I'm just going to say, there is not only a reluctance,
but there is a resistance to sharinga lot of this new information in the
mainstream because it overturns one hundred andfifty years of scientific thinking in the story

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that we tell ourselves. We aresteeped in this scientific story that's based upon
separation, scarcity, competition, andconflict, and the new discoveries are telling
us that we live in a worldof cooperation is based upon cooperation, not
competition, and that we are deeplyconnected to ourselves and one another, and
the science is showing us just howdeep these connections go. So that is

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the theme for both of the newbooks, and the one that you just
mentioned, Resilience from the Heart,is just that it is about the new
discoveries of specialized celves and a humanheart that allow us a direct access to
our bodies in ways that we've neverthought possible in the past. We thought
only mystics and yogis and special adeptscould do something like this, and now

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it's becoming available to everyday people.So that's a long answer to a short
question. I trust in the processin the world, and what I think
we're seeing is an unfolding of understandingsof what is sustainable, what's not,
what works, what doesn't, andwhat we're finding is a lot of the
way we've been taught to think isno longer sustainable. And so we're the
generation that's bridging these new discoveries andlearning to apply them in our world.

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And I can't think of a moreexciting times be alive. I'm sure many
of your others sakers are probably sayingsomething very similar. So so again,
that's a long answer to a shortquestion, and I'll follow your lead and
we can go anywhere we want togo from there. And it's a very
exciting time for sure. And Ithink you nailed it right in the first
half of your first sentence in responsewas that you know, before we were

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learning about these things. Now it'sessentially I'm paraphrasing, obviously, but basically
we have to start doing what we'velearned. Yeah, are being well,
you know, that's the thing.What's happening is in the mid eighteen hundreds,
you know, when I began talkingabout the discoveries of Charles Darwin,
and you know, many of thephysicists that were making discoveries in the late

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eighteen hundreds. People say to me, Greg, we're in the twenty first
century. What difference could those thingspossibly make? And it's a really good
question, and the answer surprises alot of people. Yes, we are
in the early twenty first century,a sophisticated, highly technological world. And
the society that we find ourselves in, and the way we have been conditioned
to think about jobs, industry,about our relationship to the earth, about

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personal relationships, the economy, corporations, all of those things, those ideas,
the foundations were created in the midto late eighteen hundreds. So we
are steeped in a story based uponthe science of the late eighteen hundreds,
and now the new science is overturningmany of those beliefs. So, knowing

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that we live in a world ofcooperation, for example, rather than competition,
that nature is actually based in cooperation. Our economic systems were based upon
competition and conflict, based on thescience of the eighteen hundreds, and that's
why the economies of the world arein chaos right now. We're seeing the
Brexit in the Middle East, We'reseeing the European Union face a possible breakdown.

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We're looking at the kind of debthere's a question, Nicole. This
is fascinating. We've all seen nationsin debt in the past, and it's
common for another nation or a groupof nations to bail them out. What
happens when the debt of the entireplanet is greater than what the entire planet
is producing, When the GDP ofthe entire planet is less than the debt

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that we've accumulated, who bails outan entire planet? And I don't know
the answer to that. We're aboutto find out because that's where we are
right now. The industrialized nations haveaccrued so much debt that can never be
paid back. That affects everything fromthe way that we save for retirement,
the way we save for our kids'education, our healthcare, all of those

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things. So they're breaking down becausethey are based on principles that are simply
not true. We don't live ina world of competition and conflict. We
see those things. I mean,we have to be real though. We
definitely witness competition and conflict in theworld. And what the scientists now are
telling us is the more of thatcompetition and conflict that we see in the
world, the further we have strayedfrom the natural laws, and the more

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difficult it is for us to findour balance. So for me personally,
I'm a scientist. I was trainedas as an earth scientist, a geologist.
And I know some of your otherguests and dear friends of mine,
doctor Bruce Lipten, for example,and doctor Joe Despenza. We all look
to nature for the model of helpingus to understand our relationship to ourselves and
to the world, and how tobuild a healthy family and a healthy community

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and healthy societies. So if welook to nature, nature is showing us
a very different model than what wehave in place right now, and we're
seeing I think the world is goingthrough the throes of the changes to try
to get back to more of thosenatural states of balance. And that's what
the book Resilience from the Heart isall about. Because one of the discoveries,
and we mentioned this briefly in anotherinterview, one of the discoveries that

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has just rocked the world of themedical world, the world of biology,
is the discovery of forty thousand specializedcells in the human heart that we're simply
not recognized in the capacity that theyare right now. They are called sensory
near RTEs, and that's a technicalterm. They're essentially brain like cells,

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but they're not in the brain.They're in the heart. So these are
the kind of cells you would expectto see in the cranial brain, but
they're in the heart. And thereason this is important is because these cells
think independently of the cells in ourbrain, they feel independently of the cells
in our brain, and they rememberindependently of the cells in our brain.
So every experience we've had in ourlives, essentially it's recorded in two places.

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It's recorded in our brain and theway our brain interprets it, and
we know about that that's recorded inour heart and the way our heart interprets
these experiences through these forty thousand cellsthat have created a neural network that is
literally called literally it's called the littlebrain in the heart is the term that's
being used now. So as nowthat we know these cells exist, as

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we're learning to access them, theyopen the door to extraordinary abilities that I
personally believe are actually ordinary abilities thatwe've either lost are forgotten. And when
we can embrace these abilities in ourlives, it helps us to embrace change
in the world in a healthy way. So if we ever needed a time,

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or if we never needed some helpin embracing a tremendous change happening in
the world, now, I thinkis the time to do that, because
we are undergoing such such a radicalshift in the world that we've known in
the past. So this is thetheme that the new book. In the
very first chapter you asked about thetwo books. There was a book.
It was released, I think itwas twenty fifteen or twenty fourteen. It

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was called The Turning Point, andit was a good book. It put
many of the personal applications and thedirect experience and the exercises that help people
in their lives. They were inthe back of the book. And one
of the things that I've learned,Nicole, I'm a student of learning to
listen. I'm still learning, andI work very diligently and listening to my

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audience and to our global audience.And what people all over the world said,
they said, we want to getto that stuff faster. We want
to get to the stuff that's goingto help us in our everyday lives,
direct experience, techniques, tools,applications. So I moved all of that
to the front, and I addedthe new material and the new discoveries that
simply were not available when I hadwritten a book two years previous. So

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as new material covering these forty thousandnear etes, how we access them and
what it means in a changing world. And that was what sets those two
books apart from one another. Doesthat make sense? I say it that
way. It's so interesting. Decadesago I interviewed Joseph Chilton Pierce, you
know, Cracking the Cosmic Egg,and he was saying all along, you
know for years, in the yearsthat the real brain cover was in the

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heart. And we've heard so manypeople refer to that. So when was
this recent study referring to when wasthat published? Well, first, I've
had the honor of knowing, touringand presenting with Joseph Chilton Peers, and
he was working very closely with theInstitute of Heart Math each eart capital m
at h all one word. Thisis the pioneering research organization based in northern

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Californi that explores the power of thehuman heart in unconventional ways, in ways
that typically aren't done in the universitiesand the medical schools, but based in
science, in peer reviewed science.So I had the opportunity of touring with
Joseph Chiltern Pears during the years whena lot of this information is being developed.

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The discovery was made in nineteen ninetyone, it wasn't published until nineteen
ninety four. And even though thisis fascinating for me, even though it
was published in ninety four and itis now document, it's peer review sciences,
document is still not being taught inmajor medical institutions. And I just
came last weekend. I just camefrom a large conference, and it's very

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common for us to have medical professionalsand healing professionals and science and engineers in
the audience along with you know,with everyone else, the spiritual seekers.
They all come together because this materialtouches on so many different facets of our
experience. And I had medical studentsaudience, and they were saying, why
don't we know about this? Whyisn't this being taught in medical school?

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And I said, you know,I can't answer that question, but you're
here now and now you know aboutit. So but it changes, it
changes everything. When we talk aboutthis little brain in the heart and people
say, well, you know,is it really a brain? It is
a it's a collection of cells thatare concentrated into a network, a neural
network smaller but very similar to whatwe see in the brain. And we've

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learned to use the brain independently.We know that now we know that we
can use the heart independently, andwe also know now that we can harmonize.
We can literally tune the heart andthe brain together. So two separate
organs, but there is one verypotent neural network to give us access to
extraordinary experiences like deep intuition on demandwhen we choose to have it rather than

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spontaneously, you know, when itjust happens to occur. It gives us
direct access to the subconscious. It'sa hotline to the subconscious without hypnosis and
without you know, listening to aspecial tape or I mean, you can
do all those things, but sometimesthey're not available. So direct access to
the subconscious. And this is importantfor people who are using affirmations because an

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affirmation of healing or health, orrelationship or career success or self esteem or
abundance or any of those kinds ofthings, they could only be effective when
we are communicating with the subconscious.And if we simply say these things in
our mind, but we're not accessingour subconscious they may not have the effect

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that we hope that they have.So this harmonizing the heart in the brain
is a direct literally is a hotlineinto the subconscious to make those kinds of
things more effective. Harmonizing the heartin the brain is a trigger for an
extra powerful super immune response. AndI could speak for my colleagues, my
dear spiritual brothers and friends that I'vetoured with, such as Bruce Lipton and

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Joe Despenzi. We use these toolsor we couldn't. We couldn't tour the
world with the kinds of schedules wehave if we didn't have really powerful immune
systems and the ability to regulate thesethings. So we apply these in our
own lives. It's also a triggerfor the anti aging hormones that every one
of us has in our bodies.It's also a trigger for reducing stress and

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creating more resilience in our lives andtime of change. So all of a
sudden, knowing that we have accessto these cells and that we can harmonize
our heart and a brain and ourbrain together so they could work together.
The act of doing this that singleact opens the door to this vast array
of applications, whether it's intuition ondemand or you know, the thirteen hundred

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biochemical reactions positive biochemical reactions, andwe can do this. This is what's
what makes us so very powerful.We now know that we are the only
species known so far that can triggerthese and initiate these relationships on demand.
Other forms of life may be ableto do it naturally, but we can

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consciously say, in this moment intime, I choose to initiate a state
of deep intuition, and that coverseverything from precognition, you know, knowing
about something before it's going to happen, to being able to communicate with other
forms of life, with other mammals, a lot of research is being done
with using the heart to communicate withother forms of life. It just goes
on and on. So I'm sharingwe're just scratching the tip of the iceberg

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here. This opens the entire newdoor of possibilities for these experiences that help
us in everyday life that we inthe past believed were relegated only to mystics
and yogi's, you know, livingisolated lives in the mountaintop half a world
away. We can do this stuffin our living room, and the science

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now is telling us how it works, and our most cherished and ancient spiritual
traditions are telling us how to applythese things in our lives. This is
where these two come together in areally beautiful way. How do we access
and utilize these brain cells in theheart? And have you actually engaged in
any of these experiments with anyone aroundthat? Sure? Well, first of

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all, I'll say the instructions.I give their very detailed instructions that are
in the book Resilience from the Heart. The science has been validated. A
lot of the science comes from theInstitute of Heart Math and the work they've
done over the last twenty I'm sureit's more than twenty years now, if
they have perfected in the laboratory andtheir laboratory conditions. My experience with indigenous

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people is that they have initiated techniquesthat parallel what the science is now developing.
And I think if something is true, I think you're going to see
it show up in a lot ofdifferent ways. So the fact that science
is now catching up science is onlyabout three hundred years old. These indigenous
traditions, spiritual traditions. Maybe weare five thousand years old, so catching

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up with what our ancestors and whatmany indigenous traditions have always told us.
So since nineteen eighty six, I'vehad the opportunity to be with our indigenous
family in many different settings, andthe monks and nuns and the abbots,
and the monasteries in Tibet and Nepauland India, and through the Andes Mountains
of Bolivia and Peru, and themonasteries in Egypt, and all through the

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American desert Southwest and the Yucatan andMexico and more, and as different as
they are from one another, nocall, what's so fascinating is that there
are common themes that flow through everyone of these traditions, even though they're
spread through different times, different environments, different parts of the world. And
when I'm working with the healers andthe kurandaros and the shaman the shamans in

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these traditions, one of the firstthings they do before they begin whatever their
practice is is they begin to accesstheir heart. And that's precisely where the
science is leading right now. Sothe techniques are techniques of focus of breathing
physically being able to draw the attentionfrom our mind into our heart. This
is I think probably one of thehardest thing for people in the West to
do. If I ask someone ina Western environment, in a corporate environment,

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and if I asked them, ifI invite them to shift their awareness
from their mind into their heart,they'll say, okay, okay, I'm
in my heart. Now what's next? And I'll say, well, you
know, are you really in yourheart? And they say, you know,
well, how do you know?And this is where where these techniques
from the indigenous people really come inhandy. For example, and I'll just
share one of the techniques that theyshare is if we can touch, gently

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touch our heart center, the centerof our chest, right there on the
sternum, gently touch that in away that's comfortable for us. Some people
use their middle finger and their ringfinger and they just simply touch touch their
right on the bone right there,right over the heart. I'm doing it
right now, as if you couldsee me. And here we are in

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the radio, so we're not.But some people in some traditions in the
Middle East, for example, theyuse an entire open palm and they place
that palm over the center of theirchest, over their hearts, and they
do the same thing in the Yucatan, in southern Mexico, they do the
same thing. The point here isthe Buddhists. Buddhists will make the prayer
mudra that we're all familiar with,and then they hold that prayer mudra with

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their thumbs right against the center oftheir chest. And this is what all
of these traditions are doing, isthey are physically touching their heart center.
And here is the reason why that'simportant. You are now tuned in to
Nicole Whitney's news for the Soul Highlightslife changing spotlights see us shared with leading
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Our awareness, our conscious awareness willalways go to the place in our body
where we feel a physical sensation.So when we physically touch our heart center
in one of these ways, ourawareness automatically goes to the place where that

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sensation is. And that is oneof the techniques that the indigenous people use
to move their awareness from their thinkingmind into their feeling heart. So I'm
just using that as an example,and then there's breathing techniques that come after
that are now validated. We haveequipment technology that we can hook people up
to specialize pieces of software and beable to actually see the effect in their

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bodies that are occurring from making theseconnections. So we can talk more about
that if you'd like to. Don'tknow how far you want to go with
all of this, well down therabbit hole. Yeah, absolutely, I'll
just reminds people listening if you missedit. You mentioned heartmath. I talked
to Howard Martin. I think itwas a couple of weeks ago, and

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that's in the archives that needs tothe soil dot com. And it's funny,
you know when you hear things themthree is this independently? This general
topic about the power to power ofthe heart has come up three times in
a tendently in three different ways forme this week. So I know this
is important and ultimately tying it backinto current world abouts would be awesome.
But tell us what's next? What'snext? Where that where you wanted to

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go? Oh, well, youjust mentioned Howard Martin. Howard. I
met Howard because of Haartmouth in theearly nineteen nineties and I trained directly with
Howard Martin, who is one ofthe founders of the Institute of Heartmouth,
and I've had the opportunity to tourthe world. We have been on stages
everywhere, and now I can callhim a dear friend as well. So

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many of the things that I amsaying here from my perspective, Howard and
institut of heart Math have given mepermission as an independent author to share my
experience in my perspective, integrating theirwork at the same time, so where
I've had more experience with Indigenous peopleand how Indigenous people throughout the different traditions,

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how they have learned to apply thisin our lives. Howard and the
research team the rock solid science behindthis stuff from their institute in Northern California.
They come out from a little bitdifferent perspective when they're training, you
know, in the corporate environment orwith the US military or something like that.
But the bottom line for both isthat we're getting people into their hearts

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and that means different things to differentpeople. Nicole, we were conditioned if
we were educated in the West,and I'm assuming most of our listeners may
not be in North America but havea Western education. We've been taught that
the brain is the master organ ofthe body. And we all know the
brain is important. Of course,it regulates hormones, it regulates, you
know, the temperature in our body, and a lot of the rhythms and

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the cycles and the functions within ourbodies. But what we now know is
the brain receives the instructions that tellit what to do. Many of those
instructions come directly from the heart.Every moment of every day. There's this
conversation between our heart and our brain. It's happening right now for everyone listening.
There's a conversation. Speak directly toour listeners. Listeners, there's a

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conversation happening right now between your heartand your brain. Your heart is having
a big conversation with your brain throughthe vagus nerve. It's sending a lot
of information through this thick nerve bundleinto your brain. Your brain speaks to
the heart less it can. It'snot as big of a conversation, and
it's coming primarily through the spinal column, down through the back of the brain

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and then down through the nerves andthe spinal cord. So we're always having
this conversation. The question is dowe know what we're saying? Do we
know what it is that our heartis saying to our brain. And that
is the core of these new discoveriesand the ancient traditions, And it's by
learning to focus in our heart,to breathe specific ways, and to feel

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very specific kinds of feelings that weset up a dialogue, and the dialogue
can be measured electrically. It's avery low frequency. Point one hurts,
not even one point one hurts isthe frequency that's optimum between the heart in
the brain. So when we canfocus in our hearts, breathe a little
slower than usual, signaling safety toour bodies by breathing a little bit slower

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than usual, and we can beginfeeling positive what I would call I don't
like to judge feelings, but it'swhat we call positive feelings, such as
gratitude, appreciation, care, compassion. Those are four big ones that the
scientists have found work for most peoplein almost one hundred percent of the time.
So if you can choose one ofthose gratitude, appreciation, care,

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or compassion, this combination of eventsthe breeding, the focus, and the
feeling, and this is key.When we can feel one or some combination
of those four feelings, our bodyinterprets that as this electrical signal from the
heart to the brain and the optimumsignals point one hurts. And when we
can establish point one hurts, wecan feel the feelings of point one hurts

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between our heart and our brain.We are said to be in high heart
brain coherence, and that heart breakmain coherence is the key to everything that
we're talking about here. So inthe new book that you mentioned, Resilience
from the Heart, first chapter,we talked about the new discovery the cells
forty thousand specialized cells, and thenthroughout the book what this means and how

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we apply it in our lives throughvarious exercises. So that's that's the essence
of what that book is all about. So our feelings the key, the
doorway. You know, it's interesting, they are not exclusively the key.
They are an important component that's beendiscounted in our culture for most you know,
most people. We have feelings andemotions and experiences, and we've been

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conditioned to discount them to a largeextent until recently, people in their fifties
and sixties. Right now, rememberwhen we were taught that, you know,
you know, your feelings, aren'tyou know, they're not really real.
I mean it's it's just a feeling, is what they used to tell
us. You know, it wasdiscounted. Now we know that the feeling
is a powerful component in these indigenoustraditions and interestingly, Nicole, the very

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texts of our most cherished spiritual traditions, the Western Bible, for example,
and some of the Eastern traditions,when they were edited and there were pieces
that were removed or condensed, whatwas taken out was the information that tells
us the power of human emotion.So, for example, in the Christian
Bible, the New Testament, theNew Testament. And this isn't about religion,

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this is about instructions. This isabout the masters of the past informing
their students of the deep relationship thattheir students had within themselves and with the
world around them. And those werebased upon spiritual principles. The religions came
along later and wrapped the rules andthe dogma around those fundamental spiritual principles for

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control. But before the religions everexisted, those principles were already there,
and so that's why I'm mentioning this. So, for example, New Testament,
we know at least forty three bookswere removed in the fourth century by
the Emperor Constantine, and what wesee today is the reduced, rearranged,
condensed version. It's good, butit isn't complete. And we know that

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because the nag Hamadi Library, discoveredin the mid nineteen forties revealed for the
first time the original all the textin their original form, and among those
was a book called the Gospel ofThomas. So the Gospel of Thomas contains
very specific instructions for the kinds ofthings that we're talking about that were simply
removed from the Biblical canon from themodern Bible in the fourth century, telling

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us about the power of human emotionand how to use that emotion for healing
in our lives. So that's oneexample of where we've known this in the
past, and then for a numberof reasons, that knowledge was taken from
one of our most cherished spiritual traditions, and now it's being reintroduced from the
language of science. So the powerof human emotion is what establishes that point

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one hurts a relationship between the heartand the brain. You can be in
your heart and not have the heartbrain relationship, and that is another technique.
Sometimes we don't need that full heartbrain relationship. Sometimes we can simply
focus in our hearts through touching ourheart center the way that I mentioned,
and through breathing techniques that slow ourbreathing so that we know that we're in

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a place that's safe. And thereare sometimes for certain kinds of intuition,
the technique stops there. That's allyou need. And if you want to
go deeper and initiate some of thehealing techniques and things like that, then
you can establish that heart brain coherence. Also. It has been found to
be very effective that I just wantto ask, have you I'm assuming you've
had Joe Despenza on your program,if you had Joe on recently? Yes,

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not recently, I haven't talked tohim in a few years, but
yes, you've been on it phone. Okay. Well. One of the
things and the reason I asked doctorJoe despends it is a neuroscientist talks about
neuroplasticity and the way the brain canchange. Another one of the new discoveries.
Nicole I mean this uff it justgoes on and on because the science
is moving so fast right now.One of the discoveries is the existence of

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a brain state above the brain statesthat we've typically seen in our you know,
our high school and college biology bookswith the alpha and the and the
beta states. Now we have agamma state. And the gamma state is
a very very fast brainwave. Itis associated with super learning, so for
example, and total recall. Soif people have seen movies like if you've

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ever seen Jason Bourne, you knowthe Matt Damon and all of the Jason
Bourne movies where he does these amazingHe could walk into a room, he
looks at the room, once heleaves, and he has totally recalled everything
in the room. Those techniques areactually being taught today and they're using what
we're talking about now, this heartbrain connection for not only to take in

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tremendous amounts of information, but tobe able to access to recall the information
that we have. Super learning iswhat it's called. So in a gamma
state that is achieved through this heartbrain connection, we are not only super
learning, but it also helps peoplein who are dealing with depression. It
moves them out of the state ofdepression by being in the Gama state.
So there are many benefits health benefits, even if people aren't into what we

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would call the necessarily the spiritual aspect, or they're not into the intuition or
subconscious or any of those things.Simply harmonizing the heart and the brain is
a really healthy thing to do,and it's something that can be done before
we do the other things, theother practices that we have. So if
we have a yoga practice, forexample, yoga goes much better when our

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heart brain is harmonized in coherence.We have a martial arts practice, we're
much more effective when our heart andbrain is in coherence. So what I
like to say is everything goes betterwith coherence. You are now tuned in
to Nicole with these news for theSoul Highlights life changing spotlights see us shared

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with leading teachers in the human consciousnessfield since nineteen ninety seven. Go down
to newsforthsoul dot com to hear thefull shows totally free. That's newsfthsoul dot
com. So it's not in placeof we become coherent and then go about
doing the practices that are important tous. And these techniques. Howard may

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have mentioned this, they're actually beingused in the US military, all four
branches of the US military for ouramazing men and women who are serving our
country right now in ways that wejust don't get to hear about. They're
doing much more than working on thebattlefield. So much is going on rebuilding
infrastructure and education and medical and allkinds of things. But before they're deployed,

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many of them are learning about heartbrain harmony so that they are focused
when they're in their deployment. Andthe flip side that I think is really
exciting is once your nervous system iswired for battlefield conditions or for survival,
when you're deployed, you know,halfway around the world in Iraq or Afghanistan

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or somewhere like that, it doesn'tturn off the moment you get on the
plane to come home. And thevery sad statistics that we're seeing about US
men and women service men and womencoming home and high rates of suicide,
and it's very sad to talk abouthigh rates of divorce things like that because
they're having problems reintegrating. How doyou make that shift from being in the

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battlefield to walk down the streets ofyou know, San Francisco, or Chicago,
or Albuquerque, New Mexico, oryou know wherever, and these techniques
are actually being used to help themreintegrate and reset the termines, to reset
their nervous systems. Also being usedby first responders e MTS, police,
fire first responders. Right after nineto eleven they started using the technique.

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So I'm just saying this so thatour listeners can know this is more than
simply a spiritual practice. It isthe doorway to the spiritual practices that I've
experienced personally through my indigenous experiences ormy experiences with indigenous people. But it
is also physiologically. It's a reallyhealthy thing to do, and it opens

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the door to triggering healthy, healthystates within us. As I mentioned,
over thirteen hundred biochemical reactions positive biochemicalreactions just from doing this one technique.
Again, was a long answer toa short question, But I just wanted
people to know that the many applicationsfor something like this. You know,

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intellectually it makes sense and based onthe conversations we've had over the decades of
the connections with the heart and thepower that in bypassing the straight conscious mind
don't make sense, right, Sohow do we apply this or can we
apply this to manifesting a more positiveoutlook path for the collective in the world

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right now? Well, this isIt's a really good question, Nicole.
And this is another facet of thestudies that are being done pioneered by the
Institute of Heartmouth. And as aformer geologist, I'm not a practicing geologist
now, but I am an earthscientist, so I find this what I'm
about to share especially fascinating. We'veall heard of the magnetic field of the

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Earth, and the magnetic field thata lot of people don't know is that
it influences every form of life.I mean every blade of grass, every
dog, every cat, every hamster, every goldfish, every CEO of every
corporation, every leader of every nation. There is no them in us when
it comes to the magnetic field ofthe earth. There is only a we.
We are all deeply influenced by thisfield. And here's the reason that

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I'm saying this and why it's important, is because the science is showing very
clearly that when the magnetic field ofthe Earth is strong, it influences us
in a positive way. We becomeless aggressive more cooperative, more will to
work together, better listeners, Andwhen the magnetic fields are weak, just

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the opposite happens. We become moreaggressive, less willing to work together.
And unfortunately, we discovered this throughnine to eleven. Nine to eleven was
the first time that scientists discovered howdeep our relationship to the Earth really goes.
Now, maybe to our listeners,we say, you know, this
is no big news to us.We've always known this. That's to the

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listeners of this program. But scientistshave been trained to think of humans as
separate from one another, separate fromthe Earth, and they've been trained to
believe that we have very little influenceover our own bodies and over what happens
in the world. And nine toeleven taught scientists that that's not true.
And here is what happened. Themagnetic fields I just described. They're so

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important that we have satellites every thirtyminutes, maybe even more frequently, but
every thirty minutes they send data backto the Earth to tell scientists how strong
those fields are and what's happening.They fluctuate on a daily basis. There
are rhythms. They ebb and theyflow. It looks like a big sigin
wave. Every twenty four hours,the magnetic fields of the Earth ebb and

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they flow, and they ebb andthey flow. Scientists knew that. But
what happened was there was one daywhen the magnetic data from the Earth there
was this huge spike. It washigher than what they would traditionally see,
and they weren't used to seeing that, and they said, well, you
know what on Earth, I mean, literally, one on Earth is happening
to make these magnetic fields so strong. And they looked at the date where

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that spike occurred, and it wasnine am Eastern Standard time, September eleventh,
two thousand and one. It wasfifteen minutes after the first planes hit
the first tower of the World TradeCenter. So the scientists believe it took
about fifteen minutes for those horrific imagesthat we all remember, those of us
that were living men, and theybelieve it took about fifteen minutes for those

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images to circulate the globe and forpeople to respond emotionally to what they were
seeing. And for most people,that response it was a heart based response.
Now they were different. Some ofthem were some of it was fear,
some of it was sadness. Someof it was shock, but everyone
it was a heart based experience.The strongest magnetic field generated in the human

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body is generated by the human heart, and some people are surprised by that
because they think it's the brain.The brain has a magnetic and electrical field,
but it's weak compared to the humanheart. The heart has the strongest
electrical and the strongest magnetic field inthe human body. So nine to eleven,
what happened was hundreds of millions ofpeople simultaneously were witnessing the horrors of

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New York City in nine to eleven, and hundreds of millions of hearts were
generating increased magnetic response to what theywere seeing. That actually influenced the magnetic
fields of planet Earth. And thisis what was showing up on the satellite
data. We spiked the magnetic fieldof our planet in response to what we

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saw. And here's why that's importantif you and your listeners can remember it,
at least at least for a fewdays after nine to eleven, we
were so close as a global family. I mean not only in America.
I was in Australia when the wholething happened. I couldn't even come home
for a few days, so Iknow that it wasn't only in America,
but we were close as a family. People in big cities. They looked

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at each other in the eyes,and they spoke at one another, and
there were hugs that were happening,and there was this sense of unity.
And scientists attribute that to the highmagnetic fields of the planet that resulted from
our seeing what had happened. Sothe question became immediately, can we create

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that kind of an experience without thetragedy. Can we consciously raise that magnetic
field of the planet with having atragedy that we react to. Can we
do it? Because we choose to, and the answers yes, And this
became the foundation of a project thatis spearheaded by the Institute of Heart Math
and for Transparency. One of ourlisteners know, I'm on the steering committee

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and a spokesperson for this project thatis called the GCI, the Global Coherence
Initiative. So the personal coherence wejust talked about, personal coherence is good
for us individually. Global coherence isgood for the planet. And what has
happened is just make a long storyvery brief, because I know we're coming

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up on the end of our hourhere. Satellites to detect these fields are
very expensive, so the scientists theInstitute of Heart Math worked on ground based
sensors and created a network of thesesensors in different nations that all feedback to
one computer in northern California, andthey measure the planet's response in our interaction

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with the planet. They measure thesemagnetic fields every day and if people want
to see these, you can actuallysee them real time and you can see
them about I think they post themusually at midnight after the data has been
analyzed every day at www dot heartMath, h E A R T M
A T h all one word dotorg and then go to GCI Global Coherence

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Initiative doesn't cost you anything. Youcan see the live data, you can
see the science, you can readabout the sensors. So we now have
a way of feedback mechanism so wecan see what's happening with the fields of
the Earth. That's part one.Part two is training people to create this
heart brain coherence so that throughout everyday across this planet there are people that

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are literally feeding the field in apositive way. So we're all feeding it
every day we're all having feelings.The question is what are we feeding the
field every day? And it's bylearning these various techniques of heart brain coherence
that we're actually contributing not only toour own health, contributing to the field
that influences our cooperation or lack ofcooperation on the planet. So it is

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two things happening here. We've gotpersonal and we've got global healing that is
occurring from embracing this relationship that wasknown by our ancestors in ancient traditions and
is now being validated and reconfirmed andexpanded through the best science of the modern
world. And it all happens withinthe context of a world that we're living,

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a time of extremes. The worldis changing faster than we've been prepared
to accept, and for many ofus, we're just not used to that
kind of change. So I thinkwhen I said I trust in the process,
it's only now that the science isgiving us the tools to tune our
bodies and harmonize to the rate ofchange that we're seeing in the world while
the demand for that change is emerging. And I think it's perfect symmetry,

(45:54):
perfect timing. I don't understand everythingthat's happening. I don't claim too that
I do trust in the process,and as I see it unfolding, Wow,
that's exciting. A little coherence soundsvery intriguing. When next time we
talked about to get more into that. I'm curious that if you know,
there was any kind of major thingtracks on November twenty sixteen, if there

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were any major the signal broke upa little bit. I couldn't hear what
you said, Nicole, all right, major energy shift tracked on the November
eight, twenty sixteen. You know, it was interesting. I went back.
It was not what people would haveexpected. I went back and I
looked at the magnetic fields. You'retalking about the elections, right, yeah,
yeah, I went back and Ilooked. Well, first I compared.

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I went back to Obamas first election, the very first time he was
elected, and what the data showedis that there was a lot of excitement
in the fields leading up to hisinauguration and on inauguration day, not so
much the election, but on inaugurationday the field became very quiet. It
was the global energetic field became veryquiet. Scientists are reluctant to say one

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thing causes another. So what theywill say is that something correlates with another,
and there's a high correlation between acalm that came that flowed across the
planet, at least in those magneticfields. And when the inauguration happened and
then lasted for a few days,we didn't see that kind of change.
But we also didn't see a lotof you know, they thought they're scientists

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and many casual observers thought there mightbe some kind of you know, anxiety
showing up in the field, andthat didn't really show up either, at
least initially. It showed up afew days. I think it was three
or four days later there started tobe a lot of activity in the field.
And if you if you go onthis website, the bright the bright
areas that you see on those twentyfour hour charts, that is where there's

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a high level of activity. Andwhen you see the dark blues and we
don't see much happening there, thatis those are or the quieter areas.
So there was a I think peoplewere surprised what happened during the election and
inauguration, and I think maybe thefield This is my personal opinion, this
isn't Hartman saying this. My personalfeeling is I think people the world was

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surprised and was kind of I thinkthe magnetic fields are reflecting us, kind
of letting it sink in what hasjust happened. And it took a few
days do that, and then thenabout three days later we started seeing a
lot of really a lot of activity. And that's I think when people figured
out what just happened and they said, Okay, you know now what what's

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next? So that makes sense?Yeah, that makes sense. That's the
very intriguing project. I was notaware of that. And now I'm on
my data, so I'm going tobe on there for several hours. That's
fun. Thanks for letting us youwere able to bring it, bring up
the site while we're talking. Yes, I went into global coherence under research
and then live data. Yeah,yeah, so you can see the data.

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What's important here is this project.And I'll tell you everyone that's fascinated
by this US military, mainstream scientists, we have never never has we've never
had this depth of understanding between thehuman body and the magnetic fields of the
earth as individuals and the collective responseand our collective relationship to this field,

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and it goes back. It hearkensback to this idea that we are part
of the world rather than separate fromWe are part of a living system,
and we influence this system consciously orsubconsciously, whether we know it or not,
we're influencing it. And now wehave the ability to consciously come together
as a global community and through doingsomething that's good for us individually collectively,

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it's good for our communities and it'sgood for nations. And I can't think
of a better time to have thatability and to breathe life into that ability,
and maybe not a better way toend our program because it looks like
aloks at the top of the hourfor you, So we are this.
I really appreciate you, your work, your long years of dedication to bringing

(50:07):
this information for it, and Ihope you'll join me when your next book
comes out October to discuss that aswell. I would love to. All
I need is an invitation. SoI think I just heard one. Yeah,
Nicole, thank you, Thank youso much for the work you're doing,
and everyone listening, I just wantto thank you all for all you're
doing just to be the best personyou can be and to create the best

(50:28):
world possible. I'm an optimist.I've never been more optimistic about our world.
And I'm also a realist. Wehave a lot of work to do
to bring what we know in ourhearts to fruition in our lives. And
I just want to say one thingabout work. The prophet Khalil Lebron,
the poet and the prophet and theauthor in the twentieth century, and his
book that was titled The Prophet,he wrote about work and what he said

(50:52):
very clearly, and I read thiswhen I was ten years old and it's
been with me ever since. Hesaid, work is our love made visible?
Is love made visible, and it'sgoing to take a lot of work
to change the way we think andlive. That's our love made visible.
And I think we're worth it,and I think our world is worth it.
So that's what I'd like to leaveour listeners with today, Nicole Perfect
Resilience from the Hearts, Greg Braden'slatest book. We'll talk to him again

(51:15):
soon, and Greg, thank youso much for being here today. Thank
you so much. I look forwardto next time. Take care. I'm
looking forward to it already. GregBraydon can be found online and linked up
at newsforthsoul dot com. This willbe in the archives and re aired on
our California stations this week and we'llgo out from there. We are back
with more right after this. Youare now tuned in to Nicole Whitney's News

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it wasn't really a prediction, itwas just a sense of who you were
and what you were doing in thedirection you were going. And wow,
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we've been around, we have talkedto one very special scientist and author with
a real gift in bridging science andSpirit. Doctor Bruce Lifted is with me

(57:29):
here for the next hour here todayon News for the Soul, and I
actually can't remember the last time wetalked to him live, but he's the
author of Biology of Belief and it, believe it or not, is the
tense Anniversary of Biology and Belief,so we're going to be talking about that
in case you don't know. Heis a stem cell biologist, best selling

(57:51):
author, recipient of the two thousandand nine DEI Peace Award, and he's
been a guest speaker on of TVand radio shows, including ours, over
the years. And like I said, bridging science and spirit, there's great
power in that one place, andthat's where we began. Doctor Bruce Lipton,
welcome back to News for This Soul. Thank you so very much.

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I'm so happy to be back onthe show, and I'm so happy to
be able to talk to the wonderfulaudience because there are my cultural creatives,
the ones that are helping create anew civilization, and I so appreciate them.
You know, so much has happenedin that field since you and I
first ever spoke and when you beganon your path. It's amazing now to

(58:36):
see the changes coming to pass thatwe just talked about seeing before. Well,
for me, it's very exciting becauseit was an opportunity to see something
and then I had to be patientenough to wait long enough for the public
to get it. But it's like, for me, it was so exciting
to see a whole different understanding ofthe planet and the world we live in

(58:57):
and the nature of spirituality, whichas a scientist I never entertained that idea
really, and through the study ofthe cells, it was like, oh
my gosh, we're not in here, We're broadcast and it's like wow.
So that was like an instant transformationfrom non spiritual and spiritual in about a
minute of like, oh my god, that's how it works. Oh oh

(59:19):
god, I'm not in here,but yes, go ahead, darning what's
happening? Why chant anniversary? What'schanged? Where do you want to start
with this today? Well, basically, the new edition of the book for
me is kind of fun because Iwas asked when I was talking with Hayhouse

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and it was like, well,it was coming up ten years and I
thought this would be a good timeto revise an update, I thought,
And so they said, hey,okay, why don't we do that.
Take a look at it. Andfor me, what was the really most
exciting part. I hadn't read thebook for ten years, I guess anyway,
And I sat down and read thebook, and I got to the
and I said, Wow, Idon't have to change a word of this

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book. It's exactly right from theten years of science. And I said,
but I said, oh, buta lot has happened in the last
ten years of new stuff that isrelevant to our lives. And I thought,
no, I really wanted to includesome what has happened in ten years.
So there's an additional forty or morepages of current things, including wonderful

(01:00:25):
discussion about something called kilomeres, whichI presume was talked about on your show.
Sometimes right, kilo meres doesn't makeany sense. Yeah, Oh my
goodness, Oh my goodness. Thefountain of youth, there is an absolute
fountain of youth, and it's ah, well, that's part of the book.
And then there's a lot more onthe nature of how we malign the

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concept of cholesterol as being something badwhen that's not true at all, That
we blame this thing, and thenwe try to regulate cholesterol, which is
like, oh my god, themachine is a very complicated body. Inside
it's a machine. And when youstart throwing drugs in there sort of like
throwing monkey ranges into the machine sometimes. So the statin drugs which people are

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on is like, oh my god, is completely wrong. So the interesting
ideas about new ways of looking atlife, and it comes down to also
the main thing about stress, becausewe look at you know, illness and
disease and we say, oh,well, there's genetics behind it, and
it comes out, well, lessthan one percent of disease is genetically based,

(01:01:35):
and that should stop. People say, well wait, and then less
than one percent comes from genetics andbiology, then where does the disease come
from? And it turns out lifestyleand stress, and all of a sudden
that becomes really important because if weblame genes, then people just say,
oh, I had nothing to dowith me. It's my heredity. You
know. It's like, oh mygod, my life was predetermined by those

(01:01:58):
genes. And that may people feellike they're victims. Well I didn't pick
the change that I can change them, and apparently they're controlling my life.
And then I say yeah, butwhen we understand the whole new biology is
coming together. It reveals no,we're not victims. We're actually controlling our
lives. But we had no understandingof how the invisible operation of the control

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was going on, So we hadno awareness that we were involved with every
aspect of our life. And nowthe new biology says, oh my goodness,
we are the masters. We arethe ones that control our behavior and
our genetics and all aspects of ourlives. But we just didn't have the
understanding or programming to know that whilewe have that opportunity, we haven't been

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doing it. We've been running byprograms. So this awakening is what coming
from the idea of victim of yourlife to the understanding that we are masters,
that we can control this biology andinside and profoundly influenced every life aspect
on the outside when we start tounderstand the new biology. So maybe a

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quick recap on your original uha forthe Matty that are still unfamiliar with your
story and in many countries listening rightnow. Yeah, I think, well
that's really important because this is thefoundation of today. It has become a
revolution in planetary awareness that changes thethings we were just talking about, going

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from victim to Master. When Iwas back, let's say in nineteen seventy
and being involved with teaching in amedical school, I was teaching medical students
the belief that genes control life,the idea that most people still hold.
Anyway, I was teaching it backthen, and at the same time,
I was cloning stem cells. Andthis is like forty some years ago.

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And what I found in the stemcell culture was I would put one cell
in a Petri dish that's an embryoniclike cell multipotential and I put one stem
cell in a Petrie dish by itself, and it would divide every ten hours,
and after a week you'd have aboutfifty thousand cells because it keeps doubling

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and doubling. And I said,but what's interesting, they're fifty thousand genetically
identical cells. The experiment I didwas split the cells up into three different
Petri dishes and change the environment alittle bit in each dish. And you
say, well, what's the environment, I say, well, we grow
cells in culture medium a fluid AndI go, why, well, because
that's the natural state inside the body. They're inside a fluid system. When

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you cut yourself open and fluid fleekout. So basically, cells grow in
a fluid environment, and I say, well, what is the composition or
you know, how do you makeup an environment for cells? I go,
you identify the blood components from theorganism where you get the cells from.
So, in other words, ifI grow mouse cells, I make

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culture medium based on the blood componentsfound in mouse blood. And when I
grow human cells, I try tomake culture medium which has the same composition
as human blood. So it's likethey're at home. So I say,
okay, what did I do?I had genetically identical cells three dishes,
but I changed the composition of theculture medium a little bit in each of
the three dishes. So I havegenetically identical cells, but a different environment

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in each dish. And the resultwas in one dish the seals worm muscle,
and the second dish the salesform bone, and in the third dish the
salesform fat cells. Well there's avery profound point here. It's like,
well, who or what controlled thefate of the cells. Point they were
all genetically identical, so it wasyou know, it wasn't built into the

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genes where this program unfolded from.They all had the same gene. It
turned out it was the environment.And the relevance about that is here.
I am in the classroom teaching studentsgenes. They are making decisions change,
turn on and off, change controllife, and then I find out in
my research it's like that's not trueat all. It's like whoa. And

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basically that was some pioneering work.Today's field of science that is really focusing
on what I was seeing forty yearsago is called epi genetics. And you
say, well, it sounds likegenetics. I go, here's the difference.
When I was teaching in medical school, I was teaching what was called
genetic control, simply control by genes. I say, but today the science

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is not called genetics, called epigenetics. I say, well, what's the
EPI. I say, oh,EPI means above, So I say,
oh, then when I talk abouttoday epigenetic control, I am saying control
above the genes. This is thewhole remarkable evolution. We were thinking genes
turned on and off. That's atotal false statement. Genes are blueprints.

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They have no more activity than ablueprint in an architect's office. They're just
patterns. But the idea about itis something selects the patterns, and selects
the programming above the genes. Andthat's what we're beginning to find out.
It's the environment that is adjusting thebiology, so that whatever's going on the

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environment influences your biology. So youwalk outside and it's warm out, and
the skin feels warm. The biologyadjusts itself now to cool down the body.
Oh we walk outside when it iscold out. Oh, when you
feel the environment of cold, thebody adjusts itself to make itself warm.
So the body is adjusting itself tothe environment. And I say, well,

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why is that relevant? And Igo, well, some environments are
very healthy and some environments are notvery healthy. And when we get sick,
we have a tendency to say,oh, the genes and the biology
are the problem. Now we knowthat over ninety percent of illness is not
due to the genes at all.Less than one percent of bullness is the

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jans And so where's the illness comingfrom? And it says the environment.
And here's the cats nicole. Andit's not just environment, but our perception
of the environment. And I saythis becomes very important because the environment hot
cold outside directly affects the temperature ofthe body straight on one to the other.

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But if there's something going on inyour life and you have a vision
of it, you have a perceptionon is this good or is this bad?
Is this threatening or is this loving? That's a perception at that moment,
And I say, why is itrelevant? Because whatever you're seeing is
turned into chemistry that goes into theblood, and the blood is the culture

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medium that controls the genetics and thebehavior. So a simple here's the simplest
understanding. It is so profound.It works like this, is that the
chemical composition of the blood controls thefate and genetics of the cell. And
then I say the brain is thething that creates chemistry and the blood.
And then I say, yeah,but what chemical should the brain put into

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the blood? And I say,well, whatever picture is in the mind.
And when we were younger, weprobably played with something called paint by
numbers, where you get a picturewith outlines and numbers in it, and
you get a set of paints withnumbers on each different color, and then
you put the colors into the spacesand then lo and behold, you create
this masterpiece of art. And Isay, you know what's interesting, And

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this is how simple life is.I love how simple it becomes. It
And it's like this. The brainand blood relationship is paint by numbers in
reverse, meaning you first start witha picture in your mind, and then
the brain breaks the picture down intonumbers. But instead of paints, the

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numbers represent neurohormones and growth factors andregulators and immune system controls and all these
things. So, in other words, your mind sees a picture, your
brain breaks it down into a complimentto that picture in regard to nerve secretions,
and that then goes into the bodyand controls the behavior. So what's

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the point. Your biology is areflection of what you see going on in
the world, And if you changehow you see the world, you change
your biology and you change your genetics. A wonderful insight which is mentioned in
the book is the Dean Ornish,an internist from San Francisco who's done a

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lot of wonderful work. He tookhis prostate cancer patients, split them into
two groups. He read the geneticreadout of both groups of patients at the
start. One group got the regularmedical treatment, whatever the drugs and stuff
that was, and the other groupgot no drugs or anything. What they

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got was lifestyle changes. They learnedhow to eat a better diet, they
learned how to reduce stress, theylearned how to meditate, and ninety days
after the start of the experiment,they then read the genes of both groups
and the drug gene people. Thegene stayed exactly the same as they were,
but in the group that did lifestylechange, five hundred genes, many

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of them directly associated with the prostatecancer changed their function in that ninety day
period of what ches changing lifestyle.So there's the beautiful party about all of
this. Nicole is that we're transitioningin a world where we have been taught
to believe we are victims, victimsof our heredity, and that when you're

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a victim, you give up responsibilitybecause you have no control anyway. And
also then you give up your savingsto anybody who says they're going to help
you with your problem. And thenI say, what's happening today? And
it turns around. Now if weunderstand how the mechanism works, now,
it's how our thoughts and our beliefsin our mind are are translated by the

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biology into the chemistry of our blood, which is then controlling behavior. And
genetics, and if we know thatjust as we just said, then it
basically says, is what if youchange your behavior and I go, well,
then you change your biology at thatpoint and all of a sudden it
says, oh, my goodness,then we are masters of our biology.

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We're not victims of anything. Theonly thing, we're victims of the belief
that we're victims, and that that'swrong. So this is an exciting time
a revolution on the planet, especiallywhen you consider the healthcare crisis, the
money, the amount of money thatwe're spending to bring people to health through

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a model that says, oh,it's just a broken genes and broken body
and give them some chemistry and they'llcome back and then find out it had
nothing to do with that except forone percent. But it had to do
with our lifestyle, our beliefs,our spirituality, our attitudes about life,
love, diet and exercise. Thereyou go, and those are things we

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can control. And if you understandwe can control it, then it says,
oh, then you don't have tobe unhealthy if you don't want to
be, because we can change ourenvironment and we can change our perceptions,
which is huge. Of course,why you're you're you and what you're doing.

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The perceptions are things as easy tochange as you're suggesting, Yes,
when you have knowledge of how tochange them. And if you don't have
an understanding, then it's one ofthe more difficult processes in our lives because
there's a mechanism and we have tounderstand. Let me just give you the

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idea of how powerful a perception is, because it's a in some stage shows
with hypnosis, they hypnotize an individualand they tell that person, we're going
to touch you with a burning cigaretteon your arm, and under that state
of hypnosis, that individual under hypnosisperceives that's what happened. But the person

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only touched them with their finger,just you know, touch their arm with
their finger, and within a minuteor two a blister begins to form,
and it's like, didn't just formanywhere, formed exactly where the person got
touched. And you stop for asecond and say, how can you accommodate
that? How does you make anysense out of that? Because the logic
thing obviously the skin did not getburnt at all. And you say,

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well, but their blister formed exactlywhere you touch And the answer was this
The perception of the mind saw aburn, and the mind controlled the biology
to manifest the blister, and allof a sudden, you say, oh
my god, it looked like amanifest the blisterd and it never really occurred.
And I go, and this iswhy we have to really understand why

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our perceptions are so important, becauseif they're negative perceptions, without or even
understanding it, we are translating thoseinto a negative status of our health.
And all of a sudden, it'slike, oh my god. To get
the health back. They say,well, we'll go to doctor, will
get some jobs. I go,no, you want the health back.
It take away the negative image,take away that perception very simply. You

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know, I'm trying. I'm sorry, I keep talking so much. I
called it trying to get this out. How simple this is. When I
was learning how to grow cells intissue culture, one of the first things
I learned was this was that afterI put the cells into the culture,
the procedure of getting them and thenputting them in the culture, I put
the dishes in the incubator overnight andcome back and look at them in the

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morning. And my major advisor atthe time in teaching me how to do
this and when you come back inthe morning, if the cells don't look
good, I mean, you know, they're not healthy looking and they don't
look right, don't blame the cells. First look at the conditions of the
culture medium. And why that wasrelevant was at some point was I didn't

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even know it. But years laterthat's what the epigenetic science ultimately came to
say, was that it's the environmentthat is manifesting that. So I take
a dish of healthy cells, putit in a less than optimum environment,
and the cells start to get sickand die. And then if you you
know, if there was a celldoctor and say, oh, Bruce,
yourselves are sick of Yeah, weshould get a prescription and give them some

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drugs, and I go, no, all you have to do is take
the cells from the bad environment,move them into the good environment, and
they will instantly get healthy again.The point the cells become a compliment.
It sounds weird, Yeah, Igotta cut off. I'm back. It'll

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sounds so simple. So well,we didn't talk about changing, but that's
how simple it works. I mean, that's the that's the amazing part,
is like that we can imagine allkinds of complexities why my life turned out
this way? And if you leaveout this first understanding is that your perceptions
are creating this unfolding, then we'rereally lost because we're trying to figure out

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how the outside did that to mewhen we have responsibility. At some point,
should I hello, you sort ofcut out for a minutes. We're

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all little glitches, so just thelast ten seconds cut up? Okay,
you can edit that. Well,no, we're live. Oh I guess
well, you got to go withthe flow, you know, so and
so. Yeah, it's just verybasically, it's important for us to recognize

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that if we own that we haveresponsibility, then the means we own that
we can do something about it.And as you brought up, changing the
perceptions, and as you also broughtup, it seems to be very hard
because so many people have difficulty andchanging it. You know, you read
all the self help books, yougo to the videos and watch the lectures,

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you do all these things, andno matter how much learning you get
about how it should be, it'shardly change it. Oh my god,
it changes heart. Well, tobreak it down, let's make it understanding
about this. The mind, whichis controlling the system is actually comprised of
two independent parts that are connected together. One is called the subconscious mind,

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and that mind is the equivalent ofa record playback device like a CD recorder.
You record something, you push playand then plays it back. Every
time you do it, plays itback, same thing over and over again.
So the subconscious mind is like thehabit mind. The latest evolution of
the brain is right behind your foreheadof a lobe of brain tissue called the
prefrontal cortex, and with that wasthe development of the conscious mind. I

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say, well, what's the difference. Well, as I said, the
subconscious mind's a habit mind learns behaviorstimulus response, stimulus response, and that's
how you know it's life is managed. But when you get to the conscious
mind, something's totally different. Andthe idea is that it can think.
Number one, it's not just stimulusresponse. I can think. And number

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two, it can see into thefuture or look into the past. It
can review the past, or itcan look into the future. And I
say, well, why is thisrelevant? Because the conscious mind. Here's
the difference. The conscious mind isa creative mind because I can say,
well, what do you want todo on Monday? And it's not Monday,
yet you obviously are creating something forMonday. So it's creative. And

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I go, yes. And here'sthe interesting part about it. It's the
mind that's also connected to you asa personal identity, the connection to your
spirituality, your source, who youare, is playing through this mind.
So it's you and it's creative.So I say, oh cool. So
I say, the conscious mind hasyour wishes and desires in it. So

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if I say what do you wantout of your life, you're looking say
in the future, I want X. You're creating an idea. So wishes,
desires, aspirations. Conscious mind habitssubconscious mind. Okay. And then
I say, okay. Here's thedifference. The subconscious mind learns in a
different way than the conscious mind.The conscious mind, because it's creative,

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can learn from you, as wementioned, reading a book, going to
a lecture, watching a video,just going aha, and the conscious mind
can learn something. I go,this is not the same as a subconscious
I go, No. Subconscious isa habit mind. And that means this,
when you put in a habit,you don't want it to change,
especially if it's an important habit likewalking. For example. If you learn
how to walk. You don't wantthat to change. So the habit mind

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is resistant to change firstly, okay, and it doesn't learn in the same
way. It's not creative. Ithas to learn in a different ways.
So here's the issue. We nowrecognize that the subconscious mind in the first
seven years of life is downloading lifeexperiences straight into the subconscious. In other

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words, the conscious mind of achild's not really fully engaged until around age
seven, when the brain develops anotherhigher level of function. Below age seven,
the brain activity child's mainly in awavelength called theata, which is below
consciousness. It's imagination in fact,and that's why kids, especially you know,
two to seven, can mix thereal world in the imaginary world because

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their brain operating at data is thatzone. But that zone is also hypnosis.
And you say, why should thebrain be a hypnosis And the answer
simply this, there's so much youcan program with genes and culture. You
can't program with genes. It changesall the time, so there's no genes
for how to behave And yet youwhen you're born into a family, the

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first thing you've got to learn ishow to be a functional member of the
family. And then a functional memberof the community. I say, well,
how many rules is that? Andall of a sudden you say,
well, it's thousands of rules.I go, okay, teach a two
year old here, sit down,I got to teach you a few thousand.
We'll seeter about how to be afunctional member of the family. It's
like, well, that's not goingto work. But it works for this
reason, Nature designed the brain tobe in a record mode for seven years,

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recording what the behavior of the mother, the father, the family,
the community. Why it's observing behaviorand learning how the interactions occur. How
a parent talks to a child isdifferent than how they talk to each other,
which is different than how they talkto the neighbor, which is even
different than how they talk to apoliceman. It's like, wow, the
child learns all these but it doesn'tlearn them by reading or anything. It

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learns them by just recording seven yearsof recording. And that's why the first
seven years is download. Then consciousnessbegins, and then consciousness can use the
data to make a life from it. But first you have to put the
data in. So I say,well, the relevance and is the data
that went into a subconscious mind inthe first seven years, A is other

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people's behavior, because you were recordingother people. So that's a B.
You're onren't conscious of the recording becauseyour conscious brain wasn't working anyway at that
point, so you didn't see thisdownload occurring. Okay, so it wasn't
filtered. It was just whatever yousaw was the download. And most importantly,

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it was a period where the brainwas in data, which is called
hypnosis. Okay, After seven theconscious brain ticks in. The subconscious is
no longer working on hypnosis at thispoint, Okay, now is working on
life experiences of life, what you'redoing. Okay, it changes the direction
of it. But the relevance isthis The subconscious learned in the first seven

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years through process called hypnosis, butafter seven years it learns in a different
way, and what it learns byis repetition habit. That's what's called the
habit mind. So if you wantto change a program after you're age seven,
you have to make a habit likean exercise, and you've got to
repeat that habit, just like learninghow to drive a car or learning how

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to walk, you had to learnyou had to do it every day,
repeat it, repeat it. Tillyou get it down. Or the ABC's
how many times shod you start Aand never could finish until you learn the
next couple of letters, and thenyou can progress, progress until you can
get to Z. And now guesswhat, Once you learned it, you
don't have to do it again.So the nature of repetition is after seven

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okay. So I say, well, you want to change the subconscious mind?
How do most people try to doit? First big mistake is they
attempt to talk to themselves. It'slike, oh, you're talking to oh
Bruce, don't eat that donut.You know it's really bad, it's really
you know, do that. SoI'm talking to myself, don'ate my donut
there? And then ten minutes laterI'm saying, there a doughnut in my

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hand, going, oh, youknow, you didn't listen to me.
What's going on here? You know, what the heck are you doing with
a donut? And then I gohere's the point. The subconscious mind is
a recording device that is recording thesehabits. It's a machine. There's nobody
in there. Point. If you'retalking to yourself, then presumably somebody is

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listening to you. You say,well, who's listening. You say,
subconscious is listening. I go,no, no, no. You see,
subconscious is a machine. There's nobodyin there. So if you want
to change a recording on a disc, you can put the disc into the
machine and you can talk to themachine. All you want is never going
to change anything. And that's themost frustrating thing because we can see what
we want to change. We knowwhat we want to change, we tell

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ourselves, and yet it doesn't work. And I say why subconscious mind doesn't
learn that way? It learns toA through a hypnosis or B through repetition.
And I'm going to add a thirdone right now because it's really important.
There's a whole new field and thisis the exciting one called energy psychology,
and energy psychology is our modalities ofchanging subconscious programs that rely on super

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learning processes. And you say superlearning, I go, yeah, Maybe
see somebody read a book by movingtheir finger down the page. As fast
as they move the finger down,they read every word on the page,
and they flip through a book andthey can read a book in minutes.
That's an expression of super learning.I say, what's the point I say,
with some of these modalities. Youcan change a belief you had your

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whole life in about ten or fifteenminutes. Wow, this is pretty exciting.
I go, yeah, we've hadproblems changing beliefs from before for what
reason? Way because we thought thatthe conscious mind subconscious mind were one and
the same. So the conscious mindbecame aware of something, of course the
subconscious mind should have followed along.Okay, first mistake, No, they're

(01:26:51):
two separate minds. Second, webelieve that, well, one mind can
talk to the other mind. Igo, okay, false, because the
talker in the conscious mind is tryingto talk to the subconscious when it's just
a machine. Nobody's in there.So that's why the failure of that.
Okay, And then what we haveto recognize this in the subconscious mind learns

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in different ways, as I said, hypnosis, repetition, and now energy
psychology. So I say you wantto activate change, Well, there are
three fundamental ways you can do it. Number one. In the old days,
it was called subliminal tapes. Maybethey're called subliminal CDs. Now.
Basically, you put earphones on asyou're going to bed, and you have

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a tape that gives a relaxation exercisefollowed by a belief statement you want to
download about your life. And what'sinteresting is you go to sleep, and
as you're going from a wake tosleep, you pass through data. The
function of the brain of hypnosis.Your conscious mind doesn't hear what the tape

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is playing. The subconscious is hearingwhat the tape is playing. So as
you have the earphones down at night, and as you're starting to go off
the sleeve and the conscious mind checksout, the subconscious mind is now hearing
a new program repeatedly put in.So it's making you a new program bypassing
consciousness. So that's one way.Number two, as I said, repetition,

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Well, if you want to dosomething different, then you have to
just repeat the process. And atfirst it's a struggle why because you're trying
to create something against an old habit. But the idea is repetition of a
new habit creates the new habit.You know, I can remember mold enough.
Remember before there were seatbelts in thecar, and nobody ever drove with
seatbelts, and then all of asudden there was a law you have to

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put a seatbelt on it. It'slike every time I put the belt on.
Oh my god, I hate thestupid bellion and I would fuss over
it all the time. And atsome point of doing that for how long,
I don't know how long it was, then all of a sudden,
it was like it was so automaticthat I get in the car. I
don't even have a discussion in myhead. I automatically put the seatbelt on
before I can drive the car.Because it's a now a habit. Okay,

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So habits start out begrudgingly, butwhen you repeat them, you're making
a new recording, and that recordingwill override the old recording. So that's
a second way of changing it.And then I say the energy psychology modalities,
and they're very interesting because, uh, at least you know a couple
of the ones that I know haveprofound effects on the brain that you can

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you can put a person, youwire their head with the EEG to read
their brain activity, and they gothrough one of what they're called balances or
whatever you know, process to makea belief change. You can put the
wires on the person's head. Anda friend of mine does as a neuroscientist,
and he has people in the audience, and somebody wants to have a
change of belief. They bring themup to the front. He puts on

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the wires and he has projected abovethe person on the screen the live EEG
of the brain. And what's veryinteresting about it is the person goes through
a belief change process and the audiencecan say see the change occur in the
EEG while it's happening, like ohmy god, look it happened, even
before the individual on the stage acknowledgesthat the audience could see when the change

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occurred. So basically it sounds likenew age woo woo. But we now
can record these changes that occur uh, and they're very profound. And for
me, I've always lived by thisold saying necessity is the mother of invention.

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And interestingly, we're stage of ourevolution where necessity says we must change
our beliefs fast. And that newinvention is energy psychology. So I'm unclear
exactly what is it like affirmations andthings or is it something new? So
it's a little deeper than that.It usually involves some processing to engage the

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super learning process. I know onevery well because for years, I mean
I engaged the process in my ownlife and it wasn't for that, I
wouldn't have been able to write thatbook ten years ago because I had so
much trouble with a belief system thatyou know, I was a conventional research
scientist, and you know your you'restanding in the community is based on how

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others view you in the community,and my subconscious mind how to acknowledge.
I said, you know, ifyou write this book, you're going to
alienate all those people that validate youas a researcher. And so my subconscious
mind kept sabotaging writing the book becauseI saw that this would this would be
problem. And so I did abelief check and sure enough, that's what

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the I found that the belief wasprotecting me from losing my scientific status.
Uh, And I had to putin a new belief. And that's the
first time, one of the firsttimes I used this process called psycha,
and that change, we wrote anew belief about writing the book and getting
it done no problem and all that, and within the shortest time, within

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two or three months after that,the book was done. So it was
removing a block that was unconsciously tryingto protect me by saying, if you
do this, this is bad andI had to get that block out,
and so I tried it and itwas like a ten minute process or something
like that. It was totally amazing. But the idea about it was that

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how does this one work? Well, I know because there's a you get
into a posture and it's called thewhole brain posture, and you cross your
arms and your legs and it's Wide'simportant is because from before age seven,
when all that learning that the childis downloading, how quickly they can download
all kinds of stuff. Like athree year old in a family that has

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three different languages running in the family, a three year old will pick out
and learn all three languages as independentlanguages. And I say, yeah,
But after a child is let's sayeight or nine, you try and teach
one new language, and all ofa sudden you're up against the wall and
they say, well, how's thethree year old through it? And that
eight or nine year old couldn't doit? And I say, before age

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seven, our brains left and righthemispheres work in harmony with each other.
After age seven, there's a wavecycle that during sometimes during the day,
you're more in the left brain,and then sometimes during the day you're more
in the right brain, and thenit goes back to the left brains like
a wave going sometimes left, sometimesright, left, right, left,

(01:33:30):
right, And I say, well, this is profoundly important because each hemisphere
of the brain is associated with differentcharacteristics. So let's say my left brain
is logical and my right brain isemotional. And I say, well,
what's significant. I said, well, sometimes during the day I'm operating from
my left brain. I'm more logicalabout everything I do, and sometimes during
the day emotional things affect me muchmore than logical things. And I say,

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well, what's the issue. Isaid, super learning, or that
learning when the child before was beforeseven was associated with both hemispheres working at
the same time. As adults,we have trouble. And the reason is
this because the system is designed togo through the wave of left, right,
left and right. And if youwant to put in a new learning
program, it turns out if youcan synchronize the brain so that both hemispheres

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are firing at the same time,that logic and emotion are now integrated into
the program, you can rapidly downloada new program. So many of the
exercises involve or the modalities involved similarkinds of exercise. There's something to do
to engage this process. And thisis very exciting because, as I said,

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it's a necessity for us in thisstage of our revolution. We're facing
some very serious civilization problems right nowand we have to empower ourselves. And
as we talked about, there's twolevels of empowerment right now. Number one
epigenetics is, yeah, you're incontrol of this and if you understand it,
you can manifested. And that collectively, our behavior as a culture is

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undermining civilization, that we're going extinct. And it's not a thousand years from
now, you know, they're they'retalking about like civilization collapsing within twenty years.
This is reality. And the reasonwhy is our behavior, human behavior
is undermining the web of life andhumanity itself. And so we're in need

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of what a rapid MAKEO a rapidreaddo a rapid change this program and get
out of the belief that life isa struggle for survival and get out of
this belief that you're a victim ofyour biology and re empower yourselves. And
then when we do that, itdoesn't change the world. And I just
love because one of my books iscalled the honeymoon effect, and it basically

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says, look, our lives mayreally just be a struggle all the way
up and to a point. Wemeet this one person. We meet this
one person and we fall in loveand then like the next day, it's
like heaven on earth. You know, there's period called the heymo, the
fact where God is so beautiful life, it is so great. I go,
you know, it was a struggleuntil the night before and the next

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day, all of a sudden,it starts to become heaven on Earth.
I say, what's that all about? And here's what the answer is.
As I said, ninety five percentof our life is coming from the subconscious
programs. And the reason for thatis because our conscious mind is thinking ninety
five percent of the day. Andbecause it's thinking, it's not paying attention.

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When it's not paying attention, youdon't stop whatever you're doing, driving
the car, walking, whatever you'redoing. You continue doing it. But
now it's not controlled by the conscious, it's controlled by the subconscious program it's
default. And I go. Soit turns out ninety five percent of the
day we're thinking, So ninety fivepercent of the day we're playing subconscious programs.
Yes, they came from other people, so they're not our beliefs and

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wishes and desires, and we're manifestingninety five percent of the day a life
that we've been programmed to live,what we can do and what we can
do, et cetera. And thenI say, so, what happened when
you fell in love? And thisis the fun part about the movie The
Matrix, which is as I mentioned, it's catalog of science fiction, but
for me it's a documentary. Yes, we've been programmed for seven years of

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our life. And they talk abouttaking a red pill and getting out of
the program. I said, youknow what, we now know that falling
in love is the red till weget out of the subconscious programming for a
reason, and the reason simple.When you have someone you find after you
look in your whole life, youhave this one person in front of your
face, the one you love,you don't let your mind wander, You

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keep your mind present, mindful.I go, why is that relevant?
Well, our life up until thatmoment was being run only five percent by
mindful and ninety five percent by subconscious. And then after fall in love,
that moment you fall in love ifswitches and now your life is run ninety
percent or more from the conscious mindand less than ten percent from a subconscious

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And I say, well, watchthe relevance of that. And I go
up to the moment you fell inlove. Your life was the readout print
out of a program that you got. The moment you fell in love was
taking the red pilm. Why youstopped playing the program because you didn't default
of the subconscious, because you weremindful. And I said, well,
what was the consequence of being mindfulwithout playing the program? I said,

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the honeymoon heaven on Earth. Igo, well, wait a minute,
so the heaven on Earth is areality, except when you play the program.
I go yeah. And so whenpeople change the program, we can
take this what looks like hell onEarth and everybody could live honeymoon on Earth.
It's the same Earth. It's justan attitude change. So this is

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why we're so moving toward an evolutionaryupheaval, and it's an evolution of people,
not in biology, in genetics,but in consciousness. It just says
we have to learn, we canget out of the program, we can
create new programs, and using thesubliminal tapes, using the repetition habit thing

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or using energy psychology. These areall ways that you can rewrite any of
the programs in your life that yougot in the first seven years that are
causing new problems. And I'm goingto keep talking for another second. Look
all because I came up with somethinginteresting about it. It's like, you
say, well, wait, whatI got these programs? And I say,

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well, what are the programs?And you go, wait, Actually,
the program started when you were inthe last trimester of pregnancy and continue
to the first seven years. SoI said, oh, you had a
lot of programming before you were born. You got programming your first year,
tremendous quantity second year, and Ijust say, hey, Nicole, tell
me what thing you learned when youwere one year old? What's the program

(01:39:57):
that you learn You go, Ihave no idea the program was at one
year? Ali, why, well, the conscious mind wasn't even really working
until around seven at some point.I mean, it has memories, but
it's not conscious memories much. Iwill talk about that, but why is
it relevant? Because I say,well, what are the programs that you
got in your subconscious mind that couldbe sabotaging your life? They say,

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what I don't really know, becauseI wasn't conscious when I got the programs.
And then I go, okay,now to make life easy again.
Our lives are by definition ninety fivepercent coming from the subconscious. So by
definition, your life is essentially aprint out of your subconscious programs. I

(01:40:41):
said, well does that mean?I said, well, look, anything
you like that comes easily into yourlife comes there because you have a program
that allows them to be there.In contrast, and this is the one.
Anything you work hard at, anythingyou struggle over, anything you put
effort into, anything you sweat over, why are you working so hard?
The answer and neviabhere. You havea program that doesn't support that conclusion.

(01:41:04):
And I said, well, thenwhy is this? You know, what's
the importance of that? I understand? I say, good, you don't
need a lot of Now, let'sthis. All you have to do is
look at is the life and saywhat part isn't working? And then just
look for the program and that partand change that part. You don't have
to go back and say who didwhat to make the program? Who when

(01:41:25):
and how did it happen? Thatjust makes it replay again. That just
irritates. That's why you got tohave so much cleanex when you go to
the strength there, you know,it's like, now is this There's an
old saying, don't kill the messagerover the message. The point is simply
this, the program in your mindis the message. How you got the
message, that's totally irrelevant. You'reliving with a message. So basically,

(01:41:45):
deal with a message. And theidea is, then don't go backwards in
your life. Look at where youare now and make a list and understanding
of what are the things that don'tcome easily to you that you want.
And I say, well, andthen I would check a belief about having
those things, because there almost inevitablywill be a belief that will not support

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it. And you were sabotaging yourselfninety five percent of the day when those
subconscious beliefs are actually plain. Okay, I think I ran that spiel out
in Nicoll, but I'd just liketo let you go so we can cramis
much in there. But you hadsomething, you said, something that obviously
needs to be highlighted and underscored.So we have to get this, get

(01:42:30):
out of this survival of victim programmingnow to avoid a collapse of humanity.
In about twenty years. Is thatwhat I heard you say? Absolutely,
we now know that, and Iknow the estimates have been longer than reality.
That the scientists are finding that thethings that were predicting are happening faster

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than their original predictions. And oneof them, for example, is how
about this no saltwater fish in theocean twenty forty eight. I go that.
Luck, you know, it's like, listen, tell your grandchildren there
used to be fish in the oceanat one point. No, because we're
overfishing and destroying the breeding grounds andpolluting the water and all that. It's

(01:43:15):
like it's on its way out.That half the wildlife that was on this
planet in nineteen seventy doesn't exist anymore. We lost half the animals on this
planet since nineteen seventy half it's actuallyfifty two percent. And yeah, all
of this why it turns out humanbehavior. We're undermining ecosystems, we're pillaging

(01:43:38):
the planet. We're taking all theresources and polluting and destroying, and we
think like, oh, we haveno effect on it. It's like,
no, we are causing And thisis a fact of science. So I'm
going to say this is the factof science, and that is this,
we are into what is called thesixth mass extinction of life on this planet.

(01:44:00):
Lifetimes in the history of this planet, life was thriving and then some
catastrophic thing happened and fifty to eightyor percent of all the wildlife on the
planet disappeared, just you know,gone. And they attribute things like maybe
asteroids hitting or comets hitting the earthand upsetting the environment, or massive geological
activity volcanoes, earthquakes, and stufflike that, and they say, when

(01:44:25):
we're looking at the loss of speciestoday, it is greater and faster than
the loss of species in the previousmass extinction. And we're at a level
now where it's now mass extinction approachingbecause the organisms are getting lost. As
I said, fifty two percent ofthe animals are gone. And so all

(01:44:46):
of a sudden, it really says, is that we are in a process
called the six mass extinction of life. And yet science, as I said,
hasn't knowsed what the cause is.It's human behavior. And then all
of a sudden it says, well, if you want to stop the six
mass extinction, then we must stophuman behavior the way it's working, because

(01:45:06):
it's destructive of not just the humans, but of the planet in which we
live, and we're destroying ourselves andthe planet. So we see all these
crises, and to me this isvery important. You look at the crisis.
There's an economic crisis. You know, we have a healthcare crisis.
We have government crises here, climatechange crisis here, and you start to

(01:45:29):
make a list of them and yougo wow, and I go you see
what the illusion is that these areall separate things and the facts no,
They're all connected to one thing,and that is us, and that's connected
to the sixth mass extinction. Sowhat are we seeing. We're seeing things
like let's say, a monetary crisisor a fuel crisis, or you know,

(01:45:50):
food crisis, which is happening now. And I say, well,
what happens when you get these crisisAnd the answer is this, you cannot
continue the way you have been doingthings because it won't work that way anymore.
You hit a wall. You mustchange. Ah. The word change
that means we change the way welive in order to survive. That by

(01:46:15):
definition means we're changing civilizations because theway we have been living in the cultural
beliefs of this civilization are responsible forthis collapse. And so when you look
at the world and you see allthose bad headlines and everybody's going, oh
my god, it's so scary,and I go, no, no,
you don't get it. This isgood news. It's good news. For
the reason is this, the systemhas to break down to build a new

(01:46:40):
system. We can't fix this oldone because that's the one that caused the
problems. The more you try andfix it, the more you keep the
problems going. So while people arelooking in fear, I really want to
say, wait a minute, you'refocusing your efforts and energy on the wrong
side. You should be focusing yourefforts and energy on the side of where's
the change. Where do we gofrom here? How is this going to

(01:47:00):
be? And I'm going to tellyou what. All the people that I
started to know, being myself oneof them, stepping outside of the box
and living in a different way,I found that there's a much kinder,
kinder, and gentler planet outside ofthe conventional world if you get out of
the programming. And the reason whythis is important is because the evolution means
that the system is going to collapse, and it's required because if it doesn't,

(01:47:26):
extinction is right in front of you, right now. So when you
look at it, if you lookat it in fear, as I saying,
this is the Remember the picture inyour mind makes your health. Part
of the illnesses of this planet isto be in fear of these changes because
the picture of fear means threat,and the threat changes the chemistry of your
body and a protection and that willactually shut down your growth and your immune

(01:47:49):
system. In fact, that's oneof the biggest cause of problems on today's
world, the fear. So ifyou look at the crisis as fear,
you're not helping yourself for the planet. If you think about it, I
look at the crisis as good.There are other ways to solve this thing.
There's another way to do life betterthan this thing and the way we've

(01:48:10):
been living, and it's changing.So when you look at the world and
you see all the upheaval, isyeah, because we're in a transition.
Stay from an old type of civilization, the one we're in scientific materialism based
on matter, and moving into amore holistic civilization where energy, which includes
spirit is brought back into the equationbecause we've left that out of the picture.

(01:48:35):
So we're moving into a new civilizationright now. And that's why when
I got on you know, westarted a call today and I mentioned Cultural
Creatives. Is because the people thatare listening to your show and n call,
which is very important. This showis saying, look, there is
life outside the box. There areother ways of living, and the sooner

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you learn it, the more prosperousyour life will be. Because if you
resist the learning, it's going tohurt, because things are not happy if
you resist it. So my messageis, okay, if we can change
our way, look at the world, start to recognize that what do you
want from life versus what the programsaid you would be? And this is

(01:49:17):
a time of great flux and changeand an opportunity to rewrite the programs,
create the new world and move outof this collapsing one into a civilization that
we can drive into. That's what'sin front of us. And that's really
what we have been doing. Butyou're saying we need to really bring it
now. Well, yeah, there'stalk, and then we got to do

(01:49:40):
the action for it. And Iknow that from my own self. You
know, look, when that biologybelief came and I had and I understood
the nature of Oh my god,how my perceptions and beliefs and attitudes control
my life. I got so excitedI want to go out and tell everybody
because I thought, look, tomorrow, the world will change when everybody knows
this. And I'd get whatever Icould. People gather together and I give

(01:50:00):
a lecture. I say, ifyou understand what I'm talking about, I
can have the most wonderful life onthis planet. And then that audience in
those early days, they'd look atme and cock their heads and go,
you know, lived in your life. Doesn't look so good for a guy
who says you know this stuff.And that was the big wake up all
it because I almost said, well, do as I say, not as
I do. And then I realized, oh my god, here you've got

(01:50:23):
this great secret of life. Youwant to tell everybody else about it.
You're not doing it. I realized, Yeah, here's the difference. You
can create all that knowledge in yourconscious mind, but if you don't apply
it in your behavior, and youdon't apply it in your life, then
it's like information up on the topof a trivia game someday, but you
haven't done anything. And that's whatI had to do, is like wait,

(01:50:45):
and now that I know how itworks. I now have to manifest
the life using these principles, andGod, I have to tell you.
I mean, look, my lastbook was called the Honeymoon Effect. Why
Well, when you start to seeEarth as heaven where you came to create,
it changes everything about the way welive on this planet. Well always

(01:51:09):
smokes. The time has just nipsby us. That's a perfect pause moment,
isn't it. Heaven honors It's alot better than destruction of total humanity.
Yeah, there's a good destination andjoy will be there and happiness and
love and community sharing. I seeit because I've been around the world and
I've seen people moving in that directionand been in communities where things like that

(01:51:32):
are going on. It's like,oh my God. Sometimes we think this
is never going to happen. Andwhat we don't realize, Nicole, is
that there are so many groups outthere, so many shows such as your
own, providing this new information,and we don't see the other ones.
And therefore we look and say,yeah, I guess we're the only ones
here. And it turns out no, we have large numbers of us all

(01:51:56):
over the planet, but they're notconnected yet. One you know, it
could be overnight, just like aBerlin wall boom. They all decide to
connect and the world will change thenext day, just like what happened in
the Berlin Walk coming down. That'sa beautiful vision, and we need people
like you out there waking people upand shredding these new paths and so we

(01:52:17):
can see the vision and hold ittogether. It's very important. You know,
we didn't really get to the fortypages and you mentioned you mentioned Fountain
of Youth. I can't leave it. We have to have you back.
That would be that would be wonderfulfound the us. That's a good story
because it's real. Okay, Iwant to hear it. So we've got

(01:52:38):
it. That's good. Now thatmeans a future invitation. I'm ready it
does. That's exactly what it means. So, oh my gosh, there's
a show right behind us here.We've got about sixty seconds to the top
here. So doctor Breus slipped.How do they get your updated biology of
the whole book? Amazon bookstores everywhere, my website, which is simple Bruce

(01:53:01):
Lipton dot com. Most any bookstoreshould have it. And I really hope
people take a look at it becauseit's a book of knowledge of self and
knowledge is power. Therefore biology beliefis knowledge of self empowerment, and that's
what it really is, a toolof knowledge to change your life. Tuda,

(01:53:26):
Well, there you go. Iwill be emailing your office today with
potentially times because of course we've lefton a big cliffhanger. We won't want
to hear about the Fountain of Youthand all the other good stuff, so
we will talk to you soon,I hope. So thank you so much,
Nicole, Thanks so much for beinghere. Always a pleasure. Doctor
Bruce Litten, author Biology of Belief, and the new tenth anniversary edition with

(01:53:53):
those mysterious extra pages is now out, so look that up. We'll post
it up on our site as well. Sol dot com. And we're back
with more right after this. Thisis Nicole Whitney News for the Soul,
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to have you on the show tonight. Welcome to you, fetch you pass,
thank you. Yes, this isOry Kyrie. It's Nicole Whitney calling

(01:54:16):
News for the Soul. Welcome toNews for the Soul of Robert Allen.
Thank you. Nicole's great to behere with you tonight. Why are you
here. We're talking to Carolyn Maceabout Sacred Contracts, one of her many
best selling books. Welcome to theshow, Great Bradon, Well, good
evening, Nicole. It's certainly apleasure here your voice and a pleasure to
be here tonight. Welcome to theshow, Stuart web Thank you very much,

(01:54:42):
John Keiko. Welcome to News forthe Soul. Hey, how are
you next? Up? Doctor DavidMorhaus. I'm so glad that you called
me because you are doing such animportant task, important work, because you
are spreading a very positive message.I was really moved about last week's show
because we made a commitment to aworldwide event to try to change consciousness.

(01:55:08):
I'm feeling enormous energy around this shows, just enormous, enormous. I'm really
have to hand it to you,Nicole. You have created sort of a
niche of amazing, amazing connections that'sjust like the angels and the David Pads
that are like attracted to News forthe Soul is amazing. Ye. Hello,

(01:55:39):
everybody, this is Danian Brinkley.Welcome to the Hearts and Minds of
a Cold Us for the Soul.I mean that was weird. I don't
think about Art Bell every day.Well, wait, I passed at ten
thirty in the morning, so youdon't ever know you popped in here.

(01:56:01):
Well then he wasn't alive then,so you know, here's our he punched
in on the chat room. Andthe day he died, I said,
well, that doesn't really that doesn'treally mean that he that he was really
alive. You know, I thinkthat of all the people out there who
would find a way to Oh,he'll do it, he'll come back,

(01:56:23):
he'll do it, He'll find away. He said, let's go get
the mail. And he had boughthim a grand damn transam four hundred horsepower
okay, for speed when it wasbrand new. And we went and got
the mail at one hundred and fortytwo miles an hour, okay. And

(01:56:45):
that was that joy Art was aboutArt. Art's ability to openly, consciously
explore realities based on the credibility ofthe research he had done on the person
that's on the air. This ishow he was. There was no casualness
about it. He was ready andhe was worried. He was worried about

(01:57:06):
this drought he had seen and thatpeople were going through and he went on
the radio and he decided. Hedecided that he was going to try to
use the power of prayer because ithad been something we had talked about,
and it's something we had talked about, and you know, what were those
possibilities Because we would talk about it. He's here showed that he thought was

(01:57:28):
important. And there was me,there was to me and another two other
people that he would talk to about. And so he decided he was going
to get all of the coast tocoast people. There's probably fifteen million people
that would listen to the show,So thirteen million people that would listen to
the show. And so Art setup prayer. He set up a prayer

(01:57:48):
for rain and it started raining thenext day I remember, and it rained
like for five or six days.Okay, that was my favorite one because
all of a sudden, I wascalling him Art God and and and but
he had he had nowhere to go. Nicole. I remember that consciousness,

(01:58:11):
that experiment with the Joe, Andit was interesting how he explored that afterwards
because he came afraid that wasn't itscared the crap out of him. I
know, I scared the crap outof him. I had to listen to
it for like a week, youknow, and you know he has to
come off his high horse. Iwas in such pain in that brain surgery

(01:58:32):
thing in ninety seven, Nicole.You know that was like, oh my
god. When I blew my brainout and subdued him with Tomas and I
was crushing. Art got people topray for me, and I never knew
this until later. I never knewthis till later. But at about two
o'clock one morning, or like threeo'clock one morning, and when I couldn't

(01:58:55):
take it anymore, the room clears. Is in the hospital, bear room
cleared. There was no noise orany of that. And knowing that,
I thought I was going to diefrom it, the brain surgery, because
you'd have to do open our surgeryand brain surgery at the same time,
and there was no way I couldmake it through it. So Art got
people to pray, and I knowthe moments because I could organize my line,

(01:59:19):
I could I could get away fromthe pain, and I could organize
my life. And that went onfor like three or four hours before it
all came back. The bain cameback, and it was at the exact
same time that art had gone onthe air. Welcome to News for the

(01:59:40):
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(02:00:23):
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(02:00:57):
and we are alive Saturday, Apriltwenty first, twenty eighteen and very very
special guest with me today, myoriginal co host. In the first two
years of being on air radio,transitioning out of Positive News Newspapers, et
cetera, the one and only DanielBrinkley. We're going to get him started
in a moment. I'm just goingto remind you, first of all,

(02:01:19):
Danian Saved by the Light at Peaceand Light Secrets of the Light. It's
been a while since I've talked tohim, so maybe more titles after that.
Danion dot Com is his website.If you're unfamiliar with Danian, which
I know many of you are not. Recently Friday the thirteenth, last week,
April thirteenth, twenty eighteen, whounexpected and somewhat surprising passing of Art

(02:01:42):
Bell. We're here to honor hislegacy in paranormal radio and remember him.
Danian was a regular on his showfor many years and a good friend.
So we're going to bring Danian onand catch up with him and talked about
the life changing legacy of the ArtBell radio career. Dany and welcome back.
What's certainly an absolute pleasure to beback with you. Nicole. I've

(02:02:04):
missed you, thought about you oftencome on and me too, and thinking
about in the early days. Iwas just reminiscing about those early days and
just how far you've brought people's consciousness. Has a lot to do with like
Art Art. Art was in troubleand when he'd come to a place where

(02:02:27):
they called it COPD but you know, you smoked cigarettes for forty years and
it was like a trademark of his, and so that's what finally finally ended
it. But when I talked tohim about three weeks the cold before this
happened. Because Art, my statefriends, I was the first person to
prove the Art bell but that peoplecould read other people's minds. I mean,

(02:02:49):
that was one of his shows,you know, And it was like
all of a sudden, a realityshifted in his consciousness that the stuff he
was listening to on the radio,there were possibilities that some of that stuff
could be true. And so whenI was talking to him, he was
he was in more pain. Youcould hear it. And as it got

(02:03:12):
closer, you know, he justit just got to be too much for
him. Every breath, every breathwas a pain. So wherever Art is
today, wherever he is, andthat vast cosmic range of knowledge and love
and divinity that it exists to permeatesour existence, Art knows the answers to
everything that was unexplained. Of allthose people he listened to and all those

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things that's going on through his lifeor in what coast to coast became.
And then Art has the privilege ofknowing the answers to every one of those
questions that we all sought by listeningto his radio show. And he is
not in pain. I mean Iwent to the future. I was just
going to share with you, Dani, and that on Friday the thirteenth,
the day he passed, he actuallypopped in to my consciousness unexpectedly, and

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I did. I found out laterthat was the day he passed, So
I know that we were meant todo this tribute show today. Yeah,
he might not have. He mighthave. He might have popped in on
that and wasn't even here. Thisis the fun part about Art. Think
about it. In the goal,Art knows it all. And Art was
brilliant. He was as great aradio personality as ever. I mean his

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skill set and his ability to listenand to take apart and dissect the conversation
because he never believed anything, andthat's what made him can He kept that
moniker as he explored, and hewould go with if you know, if
you're Satan, call me. Youknow, I can remember that show you
know, the devil or you,and he would have fundamentalist songs. He'd

(02:04:50):
have a bunch of fundamentalists on thegoal and then he would get a bunch
of swamies and he would just startand hurry it up. If you were
a time travel or from the future, yeah are if you just crazy?
Okay, I mean he would be. It was so good, and he

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had these little perks about him.Most people. He was a pool shark.
I mean he could shoot serious poolI mean serious okay. And he
was a practical joker. And peoplenever saw that personality, you know,
that place where it was just ourbell. And as a human being,
he was wonderful. And and whyme Art and I became really fast friends

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because I gave him a way tolook at stuff. People were talking about
Nicole, just like in our earlydays. I would listen. But I've
been dead, and I understand froma different point of view. When I
look at stuff, I look atit completely different. And Art watched me
do that, and he would hewould, uh, he would explore stuff

(02:05:55):
and what I thought about it,you know, not that it was right
or wrong, It's just what myopinion of it was. As I would
look at it, and he wasso funny, you know, and as
the years would pass, we wouldtalk about issues and global and prophecy and
you know, the things that wereunfolding because as and when Mona passed,
and Mona was his soul, youknow, she was that place that had

(02:06:18):
changed him into who and what coastand coast became and every great man there's
a great woman. And she shewas the perfect blend for him. And
he was watching the changes because hehad a really good mind and he did
his homework. He called his ownguess drink of parallel of someone that I'm

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on the phone with right now,that is the same you know, think
of when you look at the peoplewho who felt it solve the truth and
they've evolved, They've evolved in acourse of action of multiple possible realities that
we as dynamic spiritual beings living inthis dim reality practicing being God's This is

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the place where you come to practicebe a God, and you have a
right to form an opinion of iteven if it wasn't true. Okay,
That's that's the freedom of this dimension. Because in the other dimensional realities,
based on the restrictions that applied toenter that reality then the fact that whether
it was right or wrong is notan issue. What exactly happens based on

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the divine law and the cursive law, whatever happens, these are the rules
by which it operates by. Andyou don't have that fact that you can
be wrong and think you're right.You know, what is your first week?
Art? And what is the firsttime he's talking about? All right?
So Art? Art was going frompolitics. He was a good political

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analysis, he was really good atthat, and he was transitioning into from
from talk radio politics like like youknow, Hannity shows, and he started
looking at all the issues that peoplethat's going on around us and that no
one talked about. So I thinkI was on Art show. It had

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to be ninety four. Wow,it had to be ninety four. And
I probably did the show four orfive times a year, you know.
And Art and I started the VeteransDay Annual Report. That was nineteen years
ago. It's created the Twilet Brigade. And from the Twilet Brigade, Art
was a veteran, you know,nom era veteran, and so you have

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that commonality in that conversation, andso we started looking at what was going
on in the healthcare of the veteransin the United States, and we made
an annual report every year, likeI did the twentieth one, No VIVI
of the eleventh, and so deathwas big. This is early nineties.
You know, death was big.Raymond was Raymond was. I guess the

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nations got scared and something was happening, because that's where death becomes an issued
care rhythm. All those things becomeissues in psychologies and are explored that.
So I not only had gone throughit, and I was like Captain Dead
in those times, and Art andI would get into conversations, and I
was not radical in my belief systemabout the nature of the near death experience,

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and I had already been through liketwo of them. I'd already been
through two of them. And Artand I got to be so much,
so good a friends that by nineteenninety seven when I had to have brain
surgery, and my dad was onthe phone with Raymond and they said that
you know, the surgery would getme or I was going to die and

(02:09:41):
so much I was going to bein so much pain that no telling what
I would do. And so theyhave to have O part surgery and brain
surgery, and Ramona and Art flewto Charleston, South Carolina, and through
those critical days he did his radioshow literally not literally from the room,
but from the radio station just downthe street. And that's that's how good

(02:10:03):
are friends that we evolved into becausespirituality is not a is not an elusive
subject to me, you know thenature of the spirituality of who we are
as spiritual beings operating in this framework. It's not like I'm on some fervorite
mission. I mean, I knowwhat happened and how. And he would

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say I was the most spiritual personhe ever met, but I was still
an asshole. But that was thatwas our descriptions. That was our That
was our descriptions of me. Butis who you're referring to as Raymond?
Correct? Say that again, doctorRaymond Moody. Is who you're referring to
as Raymond? Correct? Yeah,Doctor Raymond Moody. What I was just

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going to ask you. I rememberyou always used to say to callers when
they recall in and wanting to connectwith their loved ones that had passed.
Always used to talk about putting lightinga candle and then remembering and talking about
your favorite moments with them. Thatwould be really awesome to do that today.
Well, if you want them tocome back and visit you. You
know, I know how much funArt is having and and I know he's

(02:11:09):
staying closed. He's not going tolet go. He will not let go.
And this is me theorizing it's notsomething I know is the fact about
Raymond. But knowing Raymond and knowingthose dimensional levels of consciousness, which like
you know, Nicole, I don'tthink there's many people who know more about
that about those levels is early fouror five levels than me. I study

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it, so I know what Raymond'sdo it. And he has a he
has a eleven year old and atwo year old, and he was seventy
two. And what you were talkingabout was that he punched in on the
chat room and the day he died. I said, well, that doesn't
really that doesn't really mean that hethat he was really alive, you know

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what I mean? Think that allthe people out there who would find a
way to oh he'll do it,he come back, He'll he'll find a
way. I don't have any Ihave a little doubt about it. I
mean, that's one thing. Onthe day off I mean that was weird.
I don't think about Art Bell everyday. Well, wait, I
passed at ten thirty in the morning, so you don't ever know here.

(02:12:18):
Well then he wasn't he wasn't alivethen, so you know, here's Art.
But this is me understanding Art andthe goal he knows and hurt it
all, you know, all thatstuff that we all anticipate in stuff.
And I'm not sad because I knewthe paint he was in and I know
the way home, and I wasn'tsad. I went to the funeral,
you know, because they wanted tokeep it closed and they blocked the media

(02:12:41):
and all that stuff. But Iwent to the funeral and I surveyed and
looked to see how it could beof service to Aaron, you know,
and anybody else to talk to.And Whitley spoke, and then I told
this story about Art Art, butArt went through a crisis about his son.

(02:13:03):
I knew about it, you know, and I knew about it intuitively,
and I came to see Art andthat kind of friendship because I not
only could sense and knew so muchmore about it than anybody was saying.
It was amazing to him, butit was a place where Art could settle
in and understand that there is athere is a very patterned to nature of

(02:13:26):
the spiritual dimensions or the ethereal dimensions, or the quantum dimensions that exist.
So I would say that Art wouldArt would sense once he lifted out,
he would sense and feel that range, and he would be able to slow
his frequency down because he understands radios. He's a short wave man. He

(02:13:48):
built his own he built his ownsystems, so he would understand the dynamics
of the science of the Art form. Where you slow your frequency down,
you set a certain harmonic, andthen that harmonica is how you dimensionally move
while you do certain That's why breathexercises and all that. And he would
know that. So he would finda way. But where Art was at,

(02:14:09):
where he was he was being adad because he felt like he'd blown
it so much in the early yearsabout going with his other kids. Because
it was the nature of Art tobe able to communicate worldwide and to explore
using shortwave radio ham operator. Sohe would understand frequency dynamics and he would

(02:14:33):
understand those kinds of stuff to move. But in the early moments, and
even if you leave it, abeautiful wife and someone that's been great for
him and him great for her,and a couple of little kids, and
the comfort of where he was inhis life. He would be focused on
that more than he would be focusedon trying to communicate with any of us.

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But I have no doubt that ArtBell will be heard from again.
What are your favorite memories of Well, let's stay on the air, being
on the air with RG. Well, let me tell you my one of
my favorite memories of Art off theair. Okay, okay, So I
come up. He calls me andhe says he wants to come up.
I said, okay. So Icame up and we were talking and you

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know the things that had come on, because if you knew Art Bell,
you had to watch you had towatch Somewhere in Time so he could look
at Jane Seymour and he loved theplot of Somewhere in Time. And if
you knew Art Bell, you alwayshad to go to that Montak place in
Michigan, Okay, where it wasfilmed, and that was it. I
mean, but I came up andhe had gotten him. I mean,

(02:15:43):
we come up in the same time. The muscle cars, you know,
the stuff that old guys can talkabout. And he said, he said,
let's go get the mail. Andhe had bought him a grand damn
transam four hundred horse power okay,four speed when it was brand new.
And we went and got the mailat one hundred and forty two miles an

(02:16:07):
hour, okay. And that wasthat joy. You know, this is
the relationship is two guys growing upin the fifties and the sixties, you
know, growing up in that timeframe. And that was a joy, the
best one on the radio because thepeople used to laugh because art was about

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art. Art's ability to openly,consciously explore realities based on the credibility of
the research he had done on theperson that's on the air. This is
how he was. There was nocasualness about it. He was ready and
he was worried. He was worriedabout this drought he had seen and that
people were going through. And hewent on the radio and he decided,

(02:16:52):
he decided that he was going totry to use the power of prayer because
it had been something we had talkedabout, and it's something we had talked
about, and you know, whatwere those possibilities Because we would talk about
it. He'd here showed that hethought was important, and there was me,
there was to me and another twoother people that he would talk to

(02:17:13):
about it. And so he decidedhe was going to get all of the
coast to coast people. There's probablyfifteen million people that would listen to the
show, so thirteen million people thatwould listen to the show. And so
Art set up prayer. He setup a prayer for rain and it started
raining the next day, I remember, and it rained like for five or

(02:17:35):
six days. Okay, that wasmy favorite one because all of a sudden
I was calling him our gods,and but he had he had nowhere to
go Nicole, about the reality ofthe power, of the nature of the
combination of divine people, people comingtogether for a good reason or people coming

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together for a bad. Energy wasthere, and that energy operates there,
and he had a way to seeit in his own life. Well,
that's a guy just maturing in thedivine way and watching what he's hearing being
true. When he applied it,he never did it again except when I
was in such pain in that brainsurgery thing in ninety seven, Nicole.

(02:18:22):
You know, that was like,oh my god, when I blew my
brain out and subdued him with Tomas, and I was crushing. Art got
people to pray for me, andI never knew this until later. I
never knew this till later. Butat about two o'clock one morning, or
like three o'clock one morning, andwhen I couldn't take it anymore, the

(02:18:43):
room clears is in the hospital bell. The room cleared. There was no
noise or any of that. Andknowing that, I thought I was going
to die from it, the brainsurgery, because you'd have to do open
our surgery and brain surgery at thesame time, and there was no way
I could make it through. SoArt got people to pray, and I

(02:19:03):
know the moments because I could organizemy life I could not. I could
get away from the pain and Icould organize my life. And that went
on for like three or four hoursbefore it all came back. The band
came back, and it was atthe exact same time that Art had gone
on the air, you know,and when he talked to my dad and
they you know, it wasn't Iwasn't going to make it, and so

(02:19:26):
he came and then I told thatstory. I told that story, and
I didn't know that Art had donethat now, I didn't know. It
was just another moment in phenomena.You know how I am about phenomena that
reinforces that what I believe about howgreat and wonderful we all are is reinforced.
And this is the things that watchingArt like where he would be right

(02:19:48):
now, he would be paying attentionto Aaron and the kids and he would
focus that energy surrounding them more thanhe would be intellectually searching for a way
to get back here. But he'llbe back, But I'll tell you some
of the funniest he had The Devilcalled in and he I think Art kind
of knew who this guy was,you know, because he's heard him on

(02:20:11):
other shows. Because Art was alot about letting people ask questions, you
know, he would do the showand then it would be calling In,
and it'd be truckers, people outin the world working all night in seers
and people working all night, thepeople of the night in bars, you
know, all across America, allacross the world, and that was just
Art and the night brings that kindof comfort to explore those kinds of things,

(02:20:37):
and Art saw it. He sawit as as a way to put
information out there that's truly out therefrom him being, you know, not
a crank, and to see thisout there and to make it happen.
I remember, I remember that consciousnessexperiment with the joke, and it was
interesting how he explored that afterwards becausehe came afraid that wasn't scared the crap

(02:21:01):
out of him. I know,they scared the crap out of him.
And I had to listen to itfor like a week, you know,
and you know he has to comeoff his high horse. He's wonderful and
no remember as grand as human beingas you want to meet. You know,
it went through some tough situations incoming up of it, coming up
and going from just being a radiojock swinging wax. I mean he was.

(02:21:26):
He opened up a radio station withlike a ten mile radius up in
trump and all he played was oldies, but goodies. He programmed it.
And this was where he first startedout, and he had his own radio
station, and he ran into radiostation and he played oldies just where he

(02:21:46):
started. And then he evolved inthe news because he has a smart perspective.
And then he evolved into paranormal andhe loved the night. You know,
he's like a lot of us.A lot of us love the night.
And then people are working. Andhe saw from the conversations of people
calling in that some of these peoplewere just as crazy as hell, and

(02:22:09):
then some of them were brilliant whohad understood and looked at it and thought
it through and it was logical,especially first observers. Art could tell the
difference between somebody who really did ithappened to and who was just telling a
story. He was really good atit. The other thing, to Nicole,
brilliant. He could he could controlthe movement of the thought pattern of

(02:22:33):
his audience with AHAs and two wordsto change the tempo in the perspective because
he knew when the person would bemoving from putting out information or repeating their
standard stick. You know, nomatter who you are, you know,
Art could hear and he could listento see when it was going into a

(02:22:56):
direction or changing. You know,he could just tell know when it we
was going to get ready to justto become some rhetoric and the people do
you know how people do, Nicole, and you look at you, I'm
this is I celebrate Art Bell becausehe was my friend and we became friends
because I had a con I hada different viewpoint about what all the stuff.

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I didn't know too much about UFOsexcept you know, I mean,
I wasn't a big UFO person andhe was. And I wasn't a big
going to Mars. You know,I don't care about any of that.
And uh, I wasn't off onthose tangents. And I had a viewpoint
about how it all worked and whatit looked like. And uh, and

(02:23:39):
he and a couple of other guys. It's not just me, I mean,
but I just this is my personallife with Art Bell and we were
friends and we and we were Hewas a practical joker, So uh is
that going to tell you? Soin the same place where Art created and
brought them things that people talk itcame out from not in the Inquirer anymore

(02:24:03):
more. Look at it where Art'scareer took him. It took him from
when it was total conspiracy, extraterrestrialinterdimensional reality area of fifty one the devil.
I mean, everything that people thoughtabout life after death, you know,
quantum theoretical mechanics has applied. Likehe used to have his regular people

(02:24:26):
that he would go to about stuffMischue Koko. He would have regular people
that he would go to Hoagland aboutMars and Stanton Freeman and art booked his
own shows. Nicole, So I'mcomparing you to Rbell. I mean you
and take this as you know.And I wouldn't say that if it wasn't
true. I mean, I've knownyou sent you a little girl and look,

(02:24:48):
art booked his own people. Evenwhen it went syndicated, when it
went to five hundred and thirty stations, okay, and then it was bounced.
He would send it out by shortways so people anywhere in the world
that was a ham operator could gethis show. I mean, and he
created that movement. Think about itand look at where you are and a

(02:25:09):
goo come on. You held onto that dream, and I was there
when you were dreaming it. Andyou held on to the dream. And
look what you're doing. You werethere twenty years ago. No, you
was a little girl too, withbeautiful children, and you had a dream
and the world was moving from paperand people didn't want to read. They

(02:25:31):
wanted to watch and hear. Youknow, people do not want to read.
I mean, it's a characteristic ofpeople who are studying, are a
certain personality. But people have evolved. They don't want to read it.
They want to read it, butthey want to hear it. They want
to feel the story. What peoplehaven't observed in the last twenty five years,
I'd say the last since twenty twelve, but the thirty years span right

(02:25:58):
in here. The evolution of consciousness, you can say it came digitally.
Art foresaw all this. I meanhe was a Ham operator. He was
at thirteen. He built his ownset that was communicating worldwide and he was
talking to people all over the world. But he saw that the medium of
radio and how it was going tobe. And so people want to participate.

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People want to hear that person's voice, and they want to participate in
it and interact in it. Andthis was an arts model. Well it's
you two. I remember these arethe art is inspirational to you because look
at who you are. You're pioneeringa level of consciousness that through the years
of with art be it on theradio. He saw things come true,

(02:26:46):
things that he saw that people weretalking about and saying, especially Hoagland,
you know, Richard and Mars andwhat were the big UFO stuff. Now,
okay, because you know those thingslike we're Corey good Is and where
uh? And will Cox? WhereDavid is? And looking at looking at

(02:27:07):
that part. Art would have lovedthis Art. We loved it, and
I loved about him as the authenticjourney of speaking that he seemed to be
on, as opposed to, likeyou say, having a belief system and
limited viewpoint. You know, hewas. I was riveted because he just
seemed to be really just wanting toknow what was real. And you heard
from our newings show that's really beenmy thing too, is what's really real

(02:27:31):
and what's really possible. But wehad a different approach obviously, Zoe.
But but you had the feminine natureand you're not. I've only seen you
mad twice, you know, Ohgod, but you know you know how
I am. I just love it, you know, if it's not my
fault, I just love it.But I'm proud. I mean I'm proud,

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and Art would be proud. Here'swhat Art was doing because Art,
well everybody. People don't pay muchattention to the December's, the twenty first,
twenty twelve and the Mayan calendar.You know that, you know,
every the only people who thought theend of time was coming in at the
end of the Maya calendar was whitepeople. Nobody else thought that. You

(02:28:18):
know, it's just some who dobecause it's the Maya gallar counts as backwards
it goes, it's cyclic, itgoes backwards. So Art knew from this
is another conversation he and I had, but he had it with a couple
other people. But you know,I'm a big Maya junkie, you know
how you know that. I mean, I have seen every ruin of every

(02:28:39):
Mayan pre I'm a pre classic guy. But these guys had it going on.
Okay, So since December the twentyfirst, twenty twelve, as we
moved into the what's now called theuniversal Period, that there would be no
secrets. Okay. Art knew this. So he created this little radio show,
and he grooomed this little girl,Heather, this little young girl,

(02:29:03):
and she was carrying the weight ofArt show on her shoulder. And Art
had as he produced his little show, he ran it out of his radio
station. And here's what Art wastrying to get her to do in the
last three months, in all thatpain of breathing, right, I mean,
he's got to put oxygen on.He's got you know, you can't.

(02:29:24):
You can't smoke cigarettes for forty yearsand not have a few problems.
And he wanted her to go.He wanted her to go on Area fifty
four and broad cast live and hewould set up the remote at the station
because you know, gloom Lake isjust down the street. And she said,
Art, I could get put injail. He said, I'll come

(02:29:45):
bail you out. Now. Thisis but this is art. He sees
the power of women in the calendarand if he'd pay attention to it,
usually when a new period begins.And this is from the their sacred book,
the Pumabo, and it says thatthe first fifty two years, that's

(02:30:07):
how tight they had it are closeto that would be about the matriarchal power,
the rise of the feminine. Andwhen you hear all that, and
you know, I've been studying themsince the sixties. When you hear all
that, and then you see therise of the feminine and the Me Too
movement and the Harvey Weinstein and Hillarygetting to be a legitimate runner for president,

(02:30:31):
and the power of women in politics, and the power of women in
industry, and now the protective valuethat comes with harassment of what so many
women go through in life. Youknow that there are predators and people who
abuse that kind of power and control. Okay, that shows itself too,

(02:30:54):
but we're in that period of women. And he didn't want another guy and
the other thing that aren't told me, he said, he said, Danian.
New kids discover old stuff and itbecomes amazing to them what what I
heard about, and what we've talkedabout, and what me and he had
his little circle of friends and whatwe talked about. I see, I

(02:31:18):
see it unfolding. So here's art. Art lived on the radio every night
to see a transition from maybe itwas a possibility or you were crazy.
You were crazy to believe that therewas extraterrestrials. So here's another fun night
with Art. Am I boring?Is this boring? Art was never boring?
You have never been boring a dayin your life. You mentioned earlier

(02:31:41):
about getting mad, and I wasremembering that one time when he was setting
up something with Creskin. Do youremember that whole fiasco? Oh yeah,
what was that about? Yeah?I was, I went through it.
We uh christin he was mad aboutit, and uh Art saw that what
was gonna do was to reinvent himself. Yet originally he predicted there was going

(02:32:07):
to be spaceship lending, and everyonewent out to film and broadcast live right,
ten thousand people. Preston went onthe show, and he was telling
this because he was coming to doa show in Vegas, you know,
and to make Vegas and to playVegas. You know, that's you know,
I mean that was it and maybeto get a maybe to get a

(02:32:28):
show here, you know, todo a show. And so what he
was doing was he he was usingwell not hysteria, but he was using
based on his program, you know, the mentalist that we were, he
was going to draw in extraterrestrial beings. But what he knows is in group

(02:32:50):
consciousness. You know, the worstobserver, the worst observer is the first
hand observer. You know, whenyou review witnesses, the person who is
there as they have the four peoplehave three completely different views of the same
event, the eye witness. Okay, Because and so he knew that he
could create people seeing things like planetsmoving or UFOs or spaceships, and people

(02:33:16):
are going to see it, youknow, people are going to buy into
it. Or if they had acouple of beers in them when they came.
So Kead and I drove back andwe went to it, and we
were supportive of it because I haveseen him do I know it's mentalist,
but I know that it's become toa point in Crescent. It had come

(02:33:37):
to a point where where he andthe art, or the trick or the
he and the art had become reallysynonymous. I mean, he was capable
of doing things at the time,not out of repetition and routine, but
that he had discovered a methodology thatmade him more accurate. So he was
going to create this as a reasonto for people who saw something and people

(02:34:01):
who didn't. But he could hecould reinvent himself from picking out numbers and
names and phone books and pages andphone books. He could reinvent himself.
Knowing that the extraterrestrial movement was goingto you know, there's too much noise
out there about it for it notto be the next the next movement.

(02:34:22):
So Art saw that, and Art, well, Art wanted it to be
true. I mean, you knowa UFO. Art could deal with a
UFO better than he could deal withghostbusting. You know, his scientific mind
could deal with it. So hewanted it to be true and it was
a letdown. I mean I calledArt from there, you know, and

(02:34:43):
I told him exactly what it was. And I don't like to talk bad
about people, Nicole, except maybeif it was neo Donald Walsh. Yes,
that was fun. It was funto hear you. Listen, it
was just fun to hear it wasjust fun to hear you. That's how
on the air manage the energy.It was an excellent training quession for me.

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You were you know, you werebrilliant you And now so in let
me ask you something. Where whereis going? Where's his soul? The
soul going? Where where do yougo? Because Art Art got when Art
got him on the on the radio, Art blistered him when he got Kris
getting on the radio. Yeah,I remember there was some huge followed after

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he really called him on. Butthat's where again, it was like an
authentic quest that he was on asopposed to just you know, knocking out.
You know, there's a lot ofego on the air and a lot
of superficial stuff and he just seemsto not, like you said, he
was more independent, he was moreauthentic. Yeah, And Art was Art
is just as arrogant as you asany human being can be. I think,

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I think I'm a narciss until Igot around Art. But it was
Art's personality knowing the goal and hispersonality it was he was really smart.
So the smart guy, and hehe could as a as a broadcaster,
he could control he could control theuh, the the input of the information

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from the guests, because you couldlisten to the questions, you know,
and you know which period of timethrough the night, what questions because I've
been I'd be on art show,you know here we'd do four hours and
you know, you could it bedifferent subjects or if somebody had passed,
and you could look at the differentviewpoints of how they would do it.

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And I'm authentic and and you knowI have the same My my stories are
the same, and my viewpoints ofcertain aspects of it have evolved. But
the same thing for all of thepeople who listened to Coast to Coast in
the early nineties, look at wherelook at And I want to k you
one more really funny show. Stillthere still here? Okay? Art of

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the big thing for the Catholic Churchback in the day was that the head
of the exorcist of the Catholic Church, the chief exorcist. He went on
a Cavian radio with this is Art. He went on a Daggian radio saying
that if you believed and saw UFOs, then you were possessed by a demon

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and you needed to be having anexorcism. And wait, now it's even
better. And then Art found somecross reference to exorcisms that it is increased
by seven hundred percent. There'd beena seven hundred percent This had to be
maybe turn of the century. Wed it great that you and I could

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say that we had the time wehad the turn of the century back in
the last century. And in theturn of the century there was so much
There was Travis Walton, there wasWhitley Streever, and there were so many
people. John mack had discovered peoplewho were I mean, he did a
brilliant paper on on abduction and anabductch abduction comparison to abuse children and how

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many, so many things that cameabout within the study of abductions that were
found also seated in child abuse.This was doctor John Mackett Harvard University.
So Art Art was trying to getan interpreter so he could get to this
this uh, this exorcist to seeif the seven hundred percent increase had been

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more people thinking they had been abductedby UFOs and going to confession. Watch
this, Watch how smart this isart? Now, now this is the
way art. This is what Ithink what made me love you and appreciate
it because he's thinking it through,okay, And so when he would start
to look at it, I mean, he knew something was afoot and it

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was good news. It was astory. You know, you always had
to have a drama and art showwas dramatic. It would create drama,
but it was art style of broadcasting. And then came today, Okay,
he called me. He then cametoday that the same guy went on national
Italian television and said that if youwere if you saw a UFO or you

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were abducted by UFO, you wereno longer you were no longer considered possessed,
you would no longer be considered possessed, and that not only are there
extraterrestrial beings, he's had the pleasureof being in contact with them and their
church is looking forward to teaching themabout Jesus Christ. That's like a ten

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year period though Nicole. This isan evolution of something. Over a ten
year period that Art drove a lotof the things about you UFOs and interdimensional
realities and all of that stuff,and quantum concerned all that stuff. Art
had a chance to witness the evolutionof it and hearing about it from scientists

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because everybody in the world would goon Art Bells show, because not only
Art had called him, even withpremier, Art booked his own. He
booked his own people. So thinkabout watching that being aware of it.
Seven percent increase and now how muchis out there that eleven countries have reduced

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their UFO information and a buzz Aldridge. He passed a lot of detective tests
based on his belief and proof thathe had seen he had seen alien spacecraft.
And then one of the guys hadhadn't had took a lot of detective
tests about an encounter with a beingyou know, I mean he was describing

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it like an angel, but havingan encounter with a being in that in
the ben of the space shuttle.So where are you gonna go? What
other groundbreaking moment did Art Bell createon his radio legacy? Oh Man,
he brought near death experience to mainstream. He brought the whole UFO area fifty

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one Roswell's spacecraft and cults. Imean the fact that there are secret societies
quote unquote, and that they operateusing certain esoteric or ethereal laws that operate,
and that they are aware of them. Some of them are subtle,

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like easy spell casting. Some ofthose are subtle, and then some of
those collectively equal to rain that Raymond'sI mean equal to rain. That Art
himself showed the massive power of theconsciousness of the people of the night on
coast to coast radio that they couldchannel and make a difference. And that's

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scared Art. He never did itagain, the goal. I know he
never did it again. And ifit was me, and you think about
it when you were bending spoon,when you was bending spoons and you were
putting mine, putting people to practice. To put this together, because without
adding that to the show, likea four minute segment plus to focus on

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something, you know, or athree minute segment or a slight small guided
imagery that we collectively direct our attentionsand spoke focus. You know, you
have a show and you go throughthe points, get the guests, have
that show back and forth, andthen at the end to take the knowledge
and information and formulate it into afocused one minute attention span, and you

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know, you condition your audience todo that. And I pushed out hard,
you know. And then after ninetyseven when I found out this,
it took like, it's like threeweeks before I knew that Art had done
it. You no, it's liketwo weeks before I knew I had done
it because I wasn't interest to whatanybody was thinking or what those conversations were

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because the kind of pain I wasdealing with and that that grandma seizure that
I had before the surgery, That'sall I could think about then. But
once I have no problems about whenArt turned to the people of the night
and turned them to help me,you know that that helped me. I

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not only was aware of it,I could see it and I have know
what I used it for. Soit at to take each show at the
end of the show, and Iwas trying to evolve him to this with
Heather the little girl that he alittle girl is trying to fill art shoes.
Glad it's not, you know.That's one question I have is that

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there's got to be somewhere where someonearchived all of this amazing radio. Is
there somewhere that you know of wherepeople can access the archives? That's yeah,
they're doing it now. I mean, I think it comes off of
I think it comes off of GeorgeNori. I think it comes off of
Coast to Coasts because it was alwaysjust somewhere in time and all shows shows

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in the transition place from Art toGeorge, mean, there was a lot
of like unstableness. Yeah, youknow, Art, you know it was
time, but Art didn't want toquit. And you can't quit like you
you love what you do because you'rebringing hearts together and bringing minds together,
empowering people. I remember the allof those little things that as you were

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growing and going through what you weredoing there, you were really putting out
as a as a part of tryingto prove Okay, here's another one of
the best ones Art all time.It was one about reverse speech. Yeah
okay, and Art was cooking withthis reverse speech because he could play it

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back and forth. He had hehad he you know, he had a
studio with everything in the world communicationsworldwide built at his home in Barun so
he could communicate worldwide? Did youleave it anyway? As the equipment evolved,
he built his own radio station.This is the art, the mind
and the solderer. He built hisown radio station. You know, he

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built the tower, the transmitters,he did all of that, and so
uh when he got the reverse speech, he loved it. I told him
that I was on the coal whitney. I said, all right, I
was on the cold whitney and theywere going to do reverse speech. And
I said, we did reverse speechon me, and it was all all.
The thing that was about was sex. Remember that? And he said,

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he said, Daniel, He said, Danion, you're talking about sex
the whole time, the way ofthat and the go. But watch listening
to you laugh that I can that, I can take a celebration of art
bell and I get a chance totalk to you, and watching that you
are the same. I mean youyou have that kind of drive to create

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and make the world a better place. And everybody who listens or who doesn't
listen, everybody who listens should tellat least three other people who don't listen
to listen, because you know,I was there from the very beginning.
Damn, I'm old Nicole and you'realso doing the same thing we're leaving this
year around death for people and doingthe hostice work. How's that doing well.

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The Twilet Brigade, you know,became one of the largest end of
life care volunteer programs in the historyof America. I've been in the same
offices in the West Los Angeles VA, the largest hospital in the VA system,
for twenty one years. I've beena hospice volunteer with an office in
the VA for twenty one years.And the Twilet Brigade is considered equal or

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superior, and the training is equalor superior to anything that the our Veterans
Administration has and it's been recognized asthat. Now. I've been an OPRAH
outstanding charity, I mean, youknow, and I grew complimentary in alternative
integrated therapies quietly within the system.It's changing now, I mean, I'm

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changing the Twilight Brigade's mission. Nowis the time based on the boxes of
knowledge. You know. Look,we have military, we have military on
the border in Mexico and on theborder in Mexico, and we have Salvadorians
and Hondurians crossing the border. Okay, Well, if you read chapter five

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and saved by the light. Isaid it just exactly like that. This
is what the powerable possibilities of thepredictions of the future, okay, and
this is the things that would comeabout. Art was big into that stuff,
you know, because he could pushrun it by me. I wrote
it down in nineteen seventy six.But you know what, Nicole, I

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never I never thought that stuff.I always remember I used to laugh and
call that nostra damion well because itwas just a part in my life that
I they ever saw at this prophecy. I don't see it as prophecy now.
What I see it as is thatthe ethereal or the dimensional spiritual world
sees the probable possibilities like nothing wascarving Stone and Danny and these are the

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markers, those are the milestones thatI would watch for, and when certain
things happen, I would shift course. So I'm shifting course of the nature
of the Twilet Brigade. I amshifting its course, not because I want
to or not, but because thetime frame of the events that are going
to occur in the next god nextcouple of years, especially the two twenty

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two twenty one, then these aregoing to be dramatic changes the structure of
the economic system, the fact thatthe world will stop, you know,
it'll stop for a moment to catchits breadth in economics, and the revitalization
of where people are going to haveto find something to do because of robotics.

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Look at the chip implants, seeall. When Art would when Art
would look at this stuff and he'sresearching every day, and he'd come across
it, it would be something elsewe would talk about, you know,
and those kinds of things, andwith Richard okay, and he and Sean
David Morton, until Sean got alittle too radical. You know, at
our hour has swown by, andyou know we've gonna do I'm sorry,

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No that so often did reconnect withyou. It's been you long. But
what we should do is schedule anothershow in a week or two and pick
it up from here, because Iwant to catch up with you and find
out about what you've been up tosince I last talk to you as well.
No, I mean it's rocking androlling. Here it comes now the
part in uh in the Nostra Damienabout Jerusalem, here it comes. I

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mean, there was the business,the big move. Now we wait to
see when the pope gets involved nowwhere we in war, when Iran is
that in Israel, Israel's threatened Syria, and at the same time of the
border guards, there would be astructure that would be occurring now where the
Pope would be making their move.You know, it's good against evil,
but uh, and I will putit like that. It's just that some

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people have certain agendas and others haveothers agendas. But I would look forward
to it, you know the routine. Get a hold of Cat, you
make it happen in Nicole High loveour bell, and I know our bell
is absorbing so much of what theseconversations are. And I thank you for
celebrating his life, and thank youfor allowing me to be one of those

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people who do who gets that chancebecause and and anything that I can do
that helps you further you you knowI'm here to do that. Oh much
love to you, Danie. Andit's been so so good to catch up.
And I will email Katherine today andwe'll get you back on in a
week or two and pick it upfrom here. I look forward to it.
So everybody, if you tell atleast two people who don't listen to

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please listen to Nicole and one morequestion. Hi, the girls they're well
grown up, snipiz are okay?Would you please tell each of them that
I said I love them. Iwill. I will do that today.
And I love you, Dannie andand we'll talk to you soon. Hey
bye, Nicole one and on LyadDaniel Brinckley. He'll be back very soon.
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