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This is Nicole Whitney News for theSoul, life changing talk radio from the
uplifting to the unexplained. You're nowtuned in to Nicole Whitney's News for the
Soul highlights, life changing spotlights shehas shared with leading teachers in the human
consciousness field since nineteen ninety seven.Go now to newsforthsoul dot com to hear

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the full shows totally free. That'snewsforthsoul dot Com. Heay, we are
live, People, eleventh, twentyseventeen. It is the ten am pacifics
eleven Mountain time, I do believe, and that's the time we had pegged
away for a very special hour onNews for the Soul, especially in times
that we are in right now.We've talked to many times over the years,

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and this I believe it is goingto be one of the most important
chats because of what's going on inour world today. Great Great New York
Times bestselling author is internationally known asthe pioneer and bridging science and spirits,
which is one of the favorite placeswe'd like to hang out. Following a
successful career as a comuter geologist inthe nineteen seventies, he worked as a
senior in the ASM with the USAir Force Base Command during the Cold War

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years in the eighties. In thenineties he became started. I think that's
when he started exploring the spirituality sideas well, and the two come together
in a very most interesting way fora fine out and villages, remote monasteries
and forgotten texts and started connecting thedot sentence where it gets really exciting.
Today, we're going to talk abouthis latest book as well, Resilience of

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the Heart. I understand it's therevised edition of The Turning Point, so
we're going to find out all aboutthat and find out well, I'm most
excited about checking in and tuning inwith a great exciting perspective, conscious perspectives
on what the heck is going onin our worlds of extremes right now.
Great breaking welcome back to news forthe film. Hey Nicole, it's so

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good to hear your voice. SoI'm absolutely thrilled to be with you today
and thrilled to be with our audience. Thank you for inviting me back.
We have We've done this number oftimes. And when I saw the list
came into my office of my mediainterviews that I was going to have this
week. I saw your name abig smile on my face because we always
have a really great program, andI appreciate you very much. Thank you

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right back. Actually, we arevery much appreciating the piece that you bring
to the big picture. And holymoly, I don't even know where to
start today. I can't. I'vebeen a few years since you talked,
you know, Can I can Istart? Can I get us started today?
I'm going to just share with ourlisteners. I had a really interesting
interview recently another radio station. Andthe first thing the interviewer said to me,

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he didn't say, welcome to theshow, How are you anything like
that? He said, Greg,why can't you stick with one topic like
everybody else? He said, youare all over the map? He said,
are you talking about science? Spirituality? About DNA, about ancient history,
about earth magnetics, about climate change? He goes, what are you
talking about? And I said,you know, every one of those things

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that you've just mentioned is a facetof the human experience. And in a
very real sense, I said,I am talking about one one thing,
one topic. It just happens tobe a really big topic, and it's
about us and our relationship to ourselvesinto the world, into the past and
one another into the future. Andthen he said, well, let's take
a station break, and then wecame back and did the rest of the

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interviews. So my work, itdoes touch on many facets of our experience
because we don't live in a vacuum. That's the world that we live in.
And that's one of the reasons Ilove working with Unicole, because you
are doing such a beautiful job oftaking a message that for some people is
a new way and a very differentway of thinking, and sharing this in
a responsible way across the airwaves.And I appreciate that, just appreciate it

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tremendously. Well, you know,like I said, we'd really value your
work and your piece, and I'mextremely interested to get your overall perspective.
That's where I'd like to start,is, you know, if the world's
very different than it was when welast talked. We were kind of on
this exciting ascension of connection and youknow, you were showing videos of tumors
disappearing in sixty seconds. We're allvery happy and excited, and and we

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thought we'd be in a different placeby now. It's got this overall view
of things kind of going off therails and the mainstream, and I thought
we were further ahead, evolved consciouslyand you know, perspective on where we
are in the world, within thespirit and consciousness connections. How would you
sum it up in that view?Yes, you know it's I was just

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reading a history summary of the lasttwo hundred years of our experience and what
many historians now are suggesting they embracedthat. The twentieth century they're saying,
was a century of what they're they'recalling a century of discovery. Okay,
so you know the big discoveries ofphysics, classical physics, quantum physics,

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sub atomic particles, DNA, theDead Sea scrolls, nog Commody Library,
the oldest records of the New Testament, the nog Commody, and you know
space exploration. It was a centuryof exploration and it revealed many things to
us. And the twenty first century, they say, where we are right
now is we are on a verysteep learning curve of discovering. What where

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those discoveries fit in our lives?How do we apply what we now know
to be true in our everyday lives? And I think the world is reflecting
that right now, Nicole, Itrust personally, I trust in the process.
The world is a different place thanI expected that we would be in.
On the one hand, and onthe other hand, the indigenous people

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that I've talked to and worked withmany of the ancient texts, they say,
within the first twenty five years ofthis new century, they said,
we won't even recognize our lives andour world anymore. And I think,
you know, we're seeing that happen. So we're we're learning about ourselves and
our relationship to the world based uponnew discoveries. And this is what I'm

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writing about the new book. Well, the newest book that is on the
market right now that you have accessto is called Resilience from the Heart.
There's actually another book that will bereleased October of this year called the title
is Human by Design. And bothof these books are based upon peer reviewed
science. So it's rock solid science. Not necessarily my opinion or my perspective

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or my hypotheses or my theories.But this is the new science, Nicole,
that is changing the way we thinkabout ourselves and our relationship to the
world. On the one hand,and on the other hand, there is
I'm just going to say there isnot only a reluctance, but there is
a resistance to sharing a lot ofthis new information in the mainstream because it
overturns one hundred and fifty years ofscientific thinking in the story that we tell

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ourselves. We are steeped in thisscientific story that's based upon separation, scarcity,
competition, and conflict, and thenew discoveries are telling us that we
live in a world of operation.Nature is based upon cooperation, not competition,
and that we are deeply connected toourselves and one another, and the
science is showing us just how deepthese connections go. So that is the

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theme for both of the new books, and the one that you just mentioned,
Resilience from the Heart, is justthat it is about the new discoveries
of specialized selves and the human heartthat allow us a direct access to our
bodies in ways that we've never thoughtpossible in the past. We thought only
mystics and yogis in special adepts coulddo something like this, and now it's

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becoming available to everyday people. Sothat's a long answer to a short question.
I trust in the process in theworld, and what I think we're
seeing is an unfolding of understandings ofwhat is sustainable, what's not, what
works, what doesn't, and whatwe're finding is a lot of the way
we've been taught to think is nolonger sustainable. And so we're the generation

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that's bridging these new discoveries and learningto apply them in our world. And
I can't think of a more excitingtimes to be alive. So many of
your other speakers are probably saying somethingvery similar. So so again, that's
a long answer to a short question, and I'll follow your lead and we
can go anywhere we want to gofrom there. And it's a very exciting
time for sure. And I thinkyou nailed it right in the first half
of your first sentence in response wasthat, you know, before we were

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learning about these things. Now it'sessentially I'm paraphrasing obviously, but basically we
have to start doing what we've learned. Yeah, are being well, you
know, that's the thing. What'shappening is in the mid eighteen hundreds,
you know, when I began talkingabout the discoveries of Charles Darwin, and
you know many of the physicists weremaking discoveries in the late eighteen hundred.
People say to me, Greg we'rein the twenty first century. What difference

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could those things possibly make? Andit's a really good question, and the
answer surprises a lot of people.Yes, we are in the early twenty
first century, a sophisticated, highlytechnological world. And the society that we
find ourselves in, and the waywe have been conditioned to think about about
industry, about our relationship to theearth, about personal relationships, the economy,

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corporations, all of those things,those ideas, the foundations were created
in the mid to late eighteen hundreds. So we are steeped in a story
based upon the science of the lateeighteen hundreds, and now the new science
is overturning many of those beliefs.So, knowing that we live in a

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world of cooperation, for example,rather than competition, that nature is actually
based in cooperation. Our economic systemswere based upon competition and conflict, based
on the science of the eighteen hundreds, and that's why the economies of the
world are in chaos right now.We're seeing the Brexit in the Middle East,
We're seeing the European Union face apossible breakdown. We're looking at the

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kind of debt. Here's a question, Nicole, this is fascinating. We've
all seen nations in debt in thepast, and it's common for another nation
or a group of nations to bailthem out. What happened when the debt
of the entire planet is greater thanwhat the entire planet is producing. When
the GDP of the entire planet isless than the debt that we've accumulated,

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who bails out an entire planet?And I don't know the answer to that.
We're about to find out because that'swhere we are right now. The
industrialized nations have accrued so much debtthat could never be paid back. That
affects everything from the way that wesave for retirement, the way we save
for our kids' education, our healthcare, all of those things. So they're

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breaking down because they are based onprinciples that are simply not true. We
don't live in a world of competitionand conflict. We see those things.
I mean, we have to bereal though. We definitely witness competition and
conflict in the world. And whatthe scientists now are telling us is the
more of that competition in conflict thatwe see in the world, the further
we have strayed from the natural laws, and the more difficult it is for

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us to find our balance. Sofor me personally, I'm a scientist.
I was trained as an earth scientist, a geologist. And I know some
of your other guests and dear friendsof mine, doctor Bruce Lipten, for
example, and doctor Joe Despenza.We all look to nature for the model
of helping us to understand our relationshipto ourselves and to the world, and

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how to build a healthy family andthe healthy community and healthy societies. So
if we look to nature, natureis showing us a very different model than
what we have in place right now, and we're seeing I think the world
is going through the throes of thechanges to try to get back to more
of those natural states of balance.And that's what the book Resilience from the
Heart is all about. Because oneof the discoveries, and we mentioned this

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briefly in another interview, one ofthe discoveries that has just rocked the world
of the medical world, the worldof biology, is the discovery of forty
thousand specialized cells in the human heartthat we're simply not recognized in the capacity
that they are right now. Theyare called sensory near and that's a technical

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term they're essentially brain like cells,but they're not in the brain. They're
in the heart. So these arethe kind of cells you would expect to
see in the cranial brain, butthey're in the heart. And the reason
this is important is because these cellsthink independently of the cells in our brain,
they feel independently of the cells inour brain, and they remember independently

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of the cells in our brain.So every experience we've had in our lives,
essentially it's recorded in two places.It's recorded in our brain and the
way our brain interprets it, andwe know about that that's recorded in our
heart and the way our heart interpretsthese experiences through these forty thousand cells that
have created a neural network that isliterally called literally it's called the little brain

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in the heart is the term that'sbeing used now. So as now that
we know these cells exist, aswe're learning to access them, they open
the door to extraordinary abilities that Ipersonally believe are actually ordinary abilities that we've
either lost or forgotten. And whenwe can embrace these abilities in our lives,
it helps us to embrace change inthe world in a healthy way.

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So if we ever needed a timeor if we never needed some help in
embracing a tremendous change happening in theworld. Now, I think is the
time to do that, because weare undergoing such a radical shift in the
world that we've known in the past. So this is the theme that the
new book. In the very firstchapter you asked about the two books.
There was a book. It wasreleased, I think it was twenty fifteen

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or twenty fourteen. It was calledThe Turning Point, and it was a
good book. It put many ofthe personal applications and the direct experience and
the exercises that helped people in theirlives. They were in the back of
the book. And one of thethings that I've learned, Nicole, I'm
a student of learning to listen.I'm still learning, and I work very

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diligently and listening to my audience andto our global audience. And what people
all over the world said, theysaid, we want to get to that
stuff faster. We want to getto the stuff that's going to help us
in our everyday lives, direct experience, techniques, tools, applications. So
I moved all of that to thefront, and I added the new material
and the new discoveries that simply werenot available when I had written a book
two years previous. So as newmaterial covering these forty thousand near writes,

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how we access them and what itmeans in a changing world, and that
was what sets those two books apartfrom one another. Does that make sense
if I say it that way?It's so interesting. Decades ago I interviewed
Joseph Chilton Pierce, you know,Cracking the Cosmic Egg, and he was
saying all along, you know foryears and years that the real brain cover

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was in the heart. And we'veheard so many people refer to that.
So when was this recent study referringto when was that published? Well,
first, I've had the honor ofknowing touring and presenting with Joseph Chilton Peers,
and he was working very closely withthe Institute of Heart Math each EAART
capital m at h All one word. This is the pioneering research organization based

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northern California that explores the power ofthe human heart in unconventional ways, in
ways that typically aren't done in theuniversities and the medical schools, but based
in science, in peer reviewed science. So I had the opportunity of touring
with Joseph Chilton peers during the yearswhen a lot of this information is being
developed. The discovery was made innineteen ninety one, it wasn't published until

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nineteen ninety four. And even thoughthis is fascinating for me, even though
it was published in ninety four andit is now document, it's peer review
sciences document, it is still notbeing taught in major medical institutions. And
I just came last weekend. Ijust came from a large conference, and
it's very common for us to havemedical professionals and healing professionals and science and

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engineers in the audience along with youknow, with everyone else, the spiritual
seekers. They all come together becausethis material touches on so many different facets
of our experience. And I hadmedical students in the audience and they were
saying, why don't we know aboutthis? Why aren't we Why isn't this
being taught in medical school? AndI said, you know, I can't
answer that question, but you're herenow and now you know about it.

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So but it changes, it changeseverything. When we talk about this little
brain in the heart and people say, well, you know, is it
really a brain. It is ait's a collection of cells that are concentrated
into a network, a neural networksmaller but very similar to what we see
in the brain. And we've learnedto use the brain independently. We know

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that now we know that we canuse the heart independently, and we also
know now that we can harmonize.We can literally tune the heart and the
brain together, So two separate organs, but there is one very potent neural
network to give us access to extraordinaryexperiences like deep intuition on demand when we

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choose to have it rather than spontaneously, you know, when it just happens
to occur. It gives us directaccess to the subconscious. It's a hotline
to the subconscious without hypnosis and withoutyou know, listening to a special tape
or I mean, you can doall those things, but sometimes they're not
available. So direct access to thesubconscious. And this is important for people

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who are using affirmations because an affirmationof healing or health, or relationship or
career success or self esteem or abundanceor any of those kinds of things,
they could only be effective when weare communicating with the subconscious. And if
we simply say these things in ourmind but we're not accessing our subconscious,

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they may not have the effect thatwe hope that they have. So this
harmonizing the heart in the brain isa direct literally is a hotline into the
subconscious to make those kinds of thingsmore effective. Harmonizing the heart in the
brain is a trigger for an extrapowerful super immune response. And I could
speak for my colleagues, my dearspiritual brothers and friends that with such as

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Bruce Lipton and Joe Despenzi, weuse these tools or we couldn't. We
couldn't tour the world with the kindsof schedules we have if we didn't have
really powerful immune systems and the abilityto regulate these things. So we apply
these in our own lives. It'salso a trigger for the anti aging hormones
that every one of us has inour bodies. It's also a trigger for

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reducing stress and creating more resilience inour lives and time of change. So,
all of a sudden, knowing thatwe have access to these cells and
that we can harmonize our heart andthe brain and our brain together so they
could work together. The act ofdoing this, that single act opens the
door to this vast array of applications, whether it's intuition on demand or you

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know, the thirteen hundred biochemical reactions, positive biochemical reactions, and we can
do this. This is what's whatmakes us so very powerful. We now
know that we are the only speciesknown so far that can trigger these and
initiate these relationships on demand. Otherforms of life may be able to do

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it naturally, but we can consciouslysay, in this moment in time,
I choose to initiate a state ofdeep intuition, and that covers everything from
precognition, you know, knowing aboutsomething before it's going to happen, to
being able to communicate with other formsof life, with other mammals, a
lot of research is being done withusing the heart to communicate with other forms
of life. It just goes onand on. So I'm sharing we're just

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scratching the tip of the iceberg here. This opens the entire new door of
possibilities for these experiences that help usin everyday life that we in the past
believed were relegated only to mystics andyogi's, you know, living isolated lives
in the mountaintop half a world away. We can do this stuff in our

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living room, and the science nowis telling us how it works, and
our most cherished and ancient traditions aretelling us how to apply these things in
our lives. This is where thesetwo come together in a really beautiful way.
How do we access and utilize thesebrain cells in the heart? And
have you actually engaged in any ofthese experiments with anyone around that? Sure?

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Well, the first of all,I'll say the instructions. I give
their very detailed instructions that are inthe book Resilience from the Heart. The
science has been validated. A lotof the science comes from the Institute of
Heart Math and the work they've doneover the last twenty I'm sure it's more
than twenty years now if they haveperfected in the laboratory under laboratory conditions.

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My experience with indigenous people is thatthey have initiated techniques that parallel what the
science is now developing. And Ithink if something is true, I think
you're going to see it show upin a lot of different ways. So
the fact that science is now catchingup science is only about three hundred years
old. These indigenous traditions, spiritualtraditions maybe more five thousand years old.

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So science is catching up with whatour ancestors and what many indigenous traditions have
always told us. So since nineteeneighty six, I've had the opportunity to
be with our indigenous family in manydifferent settings, and the monks and nuns
and the abbots and the monasteries inTibetan, Nepaul and India, and through
the Andes Mountains of Bolivia and Peru, and the monasteries in Egypt, and

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all through the American desert southwest andthe Yucatan and Mexico and more. And
as different as they are from oneanother, I'll call what's so fascinating is
that there are common themes that flowthrough every one of these traditions, even
though they're spread through different times,different environments, different parts of the world.
And when I'm working with the healersand the kurandaaros and the shaman the

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shamans in these traditions, one ofthe first things they do before they begin
whatever their practice is, is theybegin to access their heart. And that's
precisely where the science is leading rightnow. So the techniques are techniques of
focus of breathing physically, being ableto draw the attention from our mind into
our heart. This is I thinkprobably one of the hardest thing for people
in the West to do. IfI ask someone in a Western environment,

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in a corporate environment, and ifI ask them, if I invite them
to shift their awareness from their mindinto their heart, they'll say, okay,
okay, I'm in my heart.Now what's next? And I'll say,
well, you know, are youreally in your heart? And they
say, you know, Well,how do you know? And this is
where where these techniques from the indigenouspeople really come in handy. For example,
and I'll just share one of thetechniques that they share is if we

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can touch, gently touch our heartcenter, the center of our chest,
right there on the sternum, gentlytouch that in a way that's comfortable for
us. Some people use their middlefinger and their ring finger and they just
simply touch touch their right on thebone right there, right over the heart.
I'm doing it right now, asif you could see me and here

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we are in the radio. Soor not. But some people in some
traditions in the Middle East, forexample, they use an entire open palm
and they place that palm over thecenter of their chest, over their hearts
and they do the same thing.In the Yucatan, in southern Mexico,
they do the same thing. Thepoint here is the Buddhists. Buddhists will
make the prayer mudra that we're allfamiliar with, and then they hold that

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prayer mudra with their thumbs right againstthe center of their chest. And this
is what all of these traditions aredoing, is they are physically touching their
heart center. And here is thereason why that's important. You are now
tuned in to Nicole Whitney's news forthe Soul Highlights life changing spotlights see us
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down to newsforthsoul dot com to hearthe full shows totally free. That's newsforthsoul
dot com. Our awareness, ourconscious awareness will always go to the place
in our body where we feel aphysical sensation. So when we physically touch
our heart center in one of theseways, awareness automatically goes to the place

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where where that sensation is. Andthat is one of the techniques that the
indigenous people use to move their awarenessfrom their thinking mind into their feeling heart.
So I'm just using that as anexample and then there's the breathing techniques
that come after that are now validated. We have equipment technology that we can
hook people up to specialize pieces ofsoftware and be able to actually see the

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effect in their bodies that are occurringfrom making these connections. So we can
talk more about that if you'd liketo. Don't know how far you want
to go with all of this,Well down the rabbit hole. Yeah,
absolutely, I'll just remind people oflistening if you missed it. You mentioned
heartmath. I talked to Howard Martin. I think it was a couple of

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weeks ago, and that's in thearchives that needs to fill dot com.
And it's funny, you know whenyou hear things them threes, this independently,
this general topic about the power topower of the heart is kind of
three times independently in three different waysfor me this week. So I know
this is important and ultimately tying itback into current world abouts would be awesome.
But tell us what's next? What'snext? Where is that where you

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wanted to go? Oh? Well, you just mentioned Howard Martin. Howard.
I met Howard because of heartmouth inthe early nineteen nineties and I trained
directly with Howard Martin, who isone of the founders of the Institut of
Heartmouth, and I've had the opportunityto tour the world. We have been
on stages everywhere, and now Ican call him a dear friend as well.

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So many of the things that Iam saying here from my perspective,
Howard and Insitut of heart Math havegiven me permission as an independent author to
share my experience in my perspective,integrating their work at the same time,
so where I've had more experience withIndigenous people and how Indigenous people throughout the

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different traditions, how they have learnedto apply this in our lives. Howard
and the research team the rock solidscience behind this stuff from their institute in
northern California. They come out froma little bit different perspective when they're training,
you know, in the corporate environmentor with the US military or something
like that. But the bottom linefor both is that we're getting people into

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their hearts, and that means differentthings to different people. Nicole, we
were conditioned if we were educated inthe West, and I'm assuming most of
our listeners may not be in NorthAmerica but have a Western education. We've
been taught that the brain is themaster organ of the body, and we
all know the brain is important.Of course, it regulates hormones, it
regulates, you know, the temperaturein our body, and a lot of

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the rhythms and the cycles and thefunctions within our bodies. But what we
now know is the brain receives theinstructions that tell it what to do.
Many of those instructions come directly fromthe heart. Every moment of every day.
There's this conversation between our heart andour brain. It's happening right now
for everyone listening, conversation. I'lljust speak directly to our listeners. Listeners,

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there's a conversation happening right now betweenyour heart and your brain. Your
heart is having a big conversation withyour brain through the vagus nerve. It's
sending a lot of information through thisthick nerve bundle into your brain. Your
brain speaks to the heart less itcan. It's not as big of a
conversation, and it's coming primarily throughthe spinal column, down through the back

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of the brain, and then downthrough the nerves and the spinal cord.
So we're always having this conversation.The question is do we know what we're
saying? Do we know what itis that our heart is saying to our
brain? And that is the coreof these new discoveries and the ancient traditions,
and it's by learning to focus inour heart, to breathe specific ways,

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and to feel very specific kinds offeelings that we set up a dialogue,
and the dialogue can be measured electrically. It's a very low frequency.
Point one hurts, not even onepoint one hurts is the frequency that's optimum
between the heart and the brain.So when we can focus in our hearts,
breathe a little slower than usual,signaling safety to our bodies by breathing

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a little bit slower than usual,and we can begin feeling positive what I
would call I don't like to judgefeelings, but it's what we call positive
feelings such as gratitude, appreciation,care, compassion. Those are four big
ones that the scientists have found workfor most people in almost one hundred percent
of the time. So if youcan choose one of those gratitude, appreciation,

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care, or compassion. This combinationof events, the breeding, the
focus, and the feeling, andthis is key. When we can feel
one or some combination of those fourfeelings. Our body interprets that as this
electrical signal from the heart to thebrain and the optimum signals point one hurts.
And when we can establish point onehurts, we can feel the feelings

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of point one hurts between our heartand our brain. We are said to
be in high heart brain coherence,and that heart brain coherence is the key
to everything that we're talking about there. So, in the new book that
you mentioned, Resilience from the Heart, first chapter we talked about the new
discovery the cells forty thousand specialized cells, and then throughout the book what this

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means and how we apply it inour lives through various exercises. So that's
that's the essence of what that bookis all about. So are feelings the
key the doorway? You know,it's interesting they are not exclusively the key.
They are an important component that's beendiscounted in our culture for most you
know, most people. We havefeelings and emotions and experiences, and we've

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been conditioned to discount them to alarge extent until recently. People in their
fifties and sixties right now, rememberwhen we were taught that, you know,
you know your feelings, aren't youknow, they're not really real.
I mean it, it's just thefeeling is what they used to tell us,
you know, it was discounted.Now we know that the feeling is
a powerful component in these indigenous traditions, and interestingly, Nicole, the very

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texts of our most cherished spiritual traditions, the Western Bible, for example,
and some of the Eastern traditions,when they were edited and there were pieces
that were removed or condensed, whatwas taken out was the information that tells
us the power of human emotion.So, for example, in the Christian

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Bible, the New Testament, theNew Testament. And this isn't about religion,
this is about instructions. This isabout the masters of the past informing
their students of the deep relationship thattheir students had within themselves and with the
world around them. And those werebased upon spiritual principles. The religions came

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along later and wrapped the rules andthe dogma around those fundamental spiritual principles for
control. But before the religions everexisted, those principles were already there.
And so that's why I'm mentioning this. So, for example, New Testament.
We know at least forty three bookswere removed in the fourth century by
the Emperor Constantine, and what wesee today is the reduced, rearranged,

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condensed version. It's good, butit isn't complete, and we know that
because the nag Hamadi Library, discoveredin the mid nineteen forties revealed for the
first time the original all the textin their original form, and among those
was a book called the Gospel ofThomas. So the Gospel of Thomas contains
very specific instructions for the kinds ofthings that we're talking about that were simply

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removed from the Biblical canon from themodern Bible in the fourth century, telling
us about the power of human emotionand how to use that emotion for healing
in our lives. So that's oneexample of where we've known this in the
past, and then for a numberof reasons, that knowledge was taken from
one of our most cherished spiritual traditions, and now it's being reintroduced from the

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language of science. So the powerof human emotion is what establishes that point
one hurts a relationship between the heartand the brain. You can be in
your heart and not have the heartbrain relationship, and that is another technique.
Sometimes we don't need that full heartbrain relationship. Sometimes we can simply
focus in our hearts through touching ourheart center the way that I mentioned,

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and through breathing techniques that slow ourbreathing so that we know that we're in
a place that's safe and there aresometimes for certain kinds of intuition, the
technique stops there. That's all youneed. And if you want to go
deeper and initiate some of the healingtechniques and things like that, then you
can establish that heart brain coherence.Also. It has been found to be

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very effective that I just want toask, have you I'm assuming you've had
Joe Despenza on your program, ifyou had Joe on recently, Yes,
not recently, haven't talked to himin a few years, but yes you've
been on it. Okay. Well, one of the things, and the
reason I asked doctor Joe despends itis a neuroscientist talks about neuroplasticity and the
way the brain can change. Anotherone of the new discoveries, Nicole.

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I mean, this stuff just goeson and on because the science is moving
so fast right now. One ofthe discoveries is the existence of a brain
state above the brain states that we'vetypically seen in our you know, our
high school and college biology books withthe alpha and the and the beta states.
Now we have a gamma state,and the Gama state is a very

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very fast brain wave. It isassociated with super learning, so for example,
and total recall. So if peoplehave seen movies like if you've ever
seen Jason Bourne, you know theMatt Damon and all of the Jason Bourne
movies where he does these amazing Hecould walk into a room, he looks
at the room, once he leaves, and he has totally recalled everything in

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the room. Those techniques are actuallybeing taught today and they're using what we're
talking about now, this heart brainconnection for not only to take in tremendous
amounts of information, but to beable to access to recall the information that
we have. Super learning is whatit's called. So in a gamma state
that is achieved through this heart brainconnection, we are not only super learning,

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but it also helps people in whoare dealing with depression. It moves
them out of the state of depressionby being in the Gama state. So
there are many benefits health benefits.Even if people aren't into what we would
call the necessarily the spiritual aspect,or they're not into the intuition or subconscious
or any of those things. Simplyharmonizing the heart and the brain is a

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really healthy thing to do, andit's something that can be done before we
do the other things, the otherpractices that we have. So if we
have a yoga practice, for example, yoga goes much better when our heart
brain is harmonized in coherence. Wehave a martial arts practice, we're much
more effective when our heart and brainis in coherence. So what I like

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to say is everything goes better withcoherence. You are now tuned in to
Nicole with these news for the SoulHighlights life changing spotlights see us shared with
Leading Tea. He is in thehuman consciousness field since nineteen ninety seven.
Go down to newsforthsoul dot com tohear the full shows totally free. That's

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newsfthsoul dot com. So it's notin place of we become coherent and then
go about doing the practices that areimportant to us. And these techniques,
Howard may have mentioned this, they'reactually being used in the US military,
all four branches of the US militaryfor our amazing men and women who are

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serving our country right now in waysthat we just don't get to hear about.
They're doing much more than working onthe battlefield. So much is going
on rebuilding infrastructure and education and medicaland all kinds of things. But before
they're deployed, many of them arelearning about heart brain harmony so that they
are focused when they're in their deployment. And the flip side that I think

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is really exciting is once your nervoussystem is wired for battlefield conditions or for
survival, when you're deployed, youknow, halfway around the world in Iraq
or Afghanistan or somewhere like that,it doesn't turn off the moment you get
on the plane to come home.And the very sad statistics that we're seeing

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about US men and women service menand women coming home and high rates of
suicide, and it's very sad totalk about high rates of divorce things like
that because they're having problems reintegrating.How do you make that shift from being
in the battlefield to walk down thestreets of you know, San Francisco or
Chicago or Albuquerque, New Mexico,or you know, wherever, and these

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techniques are actually being used to helpthem reintegrate and reset the termines, to
reset their nervous systems. Also beingused by first responders EMTs, police fire
first responders. Right after nine toeleven they started using the technique. So
I'm just saying this so that ourlisteners can know this is more than simply

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a spiritual practice. It is thedoorway to the spiritual practices that I've experienced
personally through my indigenous experiences or myexperiences with indigenous people. But it is
also physiologically. It's a really healthything to do, and it opens the
door to triggering healthy, healthy stateswithin us. As I mentioned, over

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thirteen hundred biochemical reactions positive biochemical reactionsjust from doing this one technique. That
again was a long answer to ashort question, But I just wanted people
to know that the many applications forsomething like this. You know, intellectually
it makes sense, and based onthe conversations we've had over the decades of

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the connections with the heart and thepower that in bypassing the straight conscious mind,
that don't make sense, right,So how do we apply this or
can we apply this to manifesting amore positive outlook path for the collective in
the world right now. Well,a really good question, Nicole, And
this is another facet of the studiesthat are being done pioneered by the Institute

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of Heartmouth. And as a formergeologist, I'm not a practicing geologist now,
but I am an earth scientist,so I find this what I'm about
to share especially fascinating. We've allheard of the magnetic field of the Earth,
and the magnetic field that a lotof people don't know is that it
influences every form of life. Imean every blade of grass, every dog,

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every cat, every hamster, everygoldfish, every CEO of every corporation,
every leader of every nation. Thereis no them in us when it
comes to the magnetic field of theEarth. There is only a we.
We are all deeply influenced by thisfield. And here's the reason that I'm
saying this and why it's important,is because the science is showing very clearly
that when the magnetic field of theEarth is strong, it influences us in

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a positive way. We become lessaggressive, more cooperative, more willing to
work together, better listeners. Andwhen the magnetic fields are weak, just
the opposite happens, we become moreaggressive, less willing to work together,
and unfortunately, we discovered this throughnine to eleven. Nine to eleven was
the first time that scientists discovered howdeep our relationship to the Earth really goes.

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Now, maybe to our listeners,we say, you know, this
is no big news to us.We've always known this. That's to the
listeners of this program. But scientistshave been trained to think of humans as
separate from one another, separate fromthe Earth, and they've been trained to
believe that we have very little influenceover our own bodies and over what happens

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in the world. And nine toeleven taught scientists that that's not true.
And here is what happened. Themagnetic fields that I just described. They're
so important that we have satellites everythirty minutes, maybe even more frequently,
but every thirty minutes they send databack to the Earth to tell scientists how
strong those fields are and what's happening. They fluctuate on a daily basis.

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There are rhythms. They ebb andthey flow. It looks like a big
sine waves every twenty four hours,the magnetic fields of the Earth ebb and
they flow. And they ebb andthey flow. Scientists knew that, but
what happened was there was one daywhen the magnetic data from the Earth there
was this huge spike. It washigher than what they would traditionally see and

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they weren't used to seeing that,and they said, well, you know
what on Earth, I mean,literally, one on Earth is happening to
make these magnetic fields so strong.And they looked at the date where that
spike occurred, and it was itwas nine am Eastern Standard time, September
eleventh, two thousand and one.It was fifteen minutes after the first planes
hit the first tower of the WorldTrade Center. So the scientists believe it

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took about fifteen minutes for those horrificimages that we all remember, those of
us that were living men, Theybelieve it took about fifteen minutes for those
images to circulate the globe and forpeople to respond emotionally to what they were
seeing. And for most people thatresponse it was a heart based response.
Now they were different, some ofthem were some of it was fear,

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some of it was sadness, someof it was shock, but everyone it
was a heart based experience. Thestrongest magnetic field generated in the human body
is generated by the human heart,and some people are surprised by that because
they think it's the brain. Thebrain has a magnetic and electrical field,
but it's weak compared to the humanheart. The heart has the strongest electrical

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and the strongest magnetic field in thehuman body. So nine to eleven,
what happened was hundreds of millions ofpeople simultaneously were witnessing the horrors of New
York City in nine to eleven,and hundreds of millions of hearts were generating
increased magnetic response to what they wereseeing. That actually in influenced the magnetic

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fields of planet Earth. And thisis what was showing up on the satellite
data. We spiked the magnetic fieldof our planet in response to what we
saw. And here's why that's importantif you and your listeners can remember it.
At least at least for a fewdays after nine to eleven, we
were so close as a global family. I mean, not only in America.

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I was in Australia when the wholething happened. I couldn't even come
home for a few days, soI know that it wasn't only in America,
but we were close as a familypeople in big cities. They looked
at each other in the eyes,and they spoke at one another, and
there were hugs that were happening,and there was this sense of unity.
And scientists attribute that to the highmagnetic fields of the planet that resulted from

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our seeing what had happened. Sothe question became immediately, can we create
that kind of an experience without thetragedy. Can we consciously raise that magnetic
field of the planet without having atragedy that we react to. Can we
do it? Because we choose to, and the answers yes, And this

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became the foundation of a project thatis spearheaded by the Institute of Heart Math
and for Transparency. One of ourlisteners know, I'm on the steering committee
and a spokesperson for this project thatis called the GCI, the Global Coherence
Initiative. So the personal coherence wejust talked about, personal coherence is good

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for us individually. Global coherence isgood for the planet. And what has
happened is just make a long storyvery brief, because I know we're coming
up on the end of our hourhere. Satellites to detect these fields are
very expensive, so the scientists theInstitute of Heart Math worked on ground based
sensors and created the network of thesesensors in different nations that all feedback to

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one computer in northern California, andthey measure the planet's response in our interaction
with the planet. They measure thesemagnetic fields every day and if people want
to see these, you can actuallysee them real time and you can see
them about I think they post themusually at midnight after the data has been

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analyzed every day at www dot heartMath, h E A r T M
at h ALL one word dot organd then go to GCI Global Coherence Initiative
doesn't cost you anything. You cansee the live data, you can see
the science, you can read aboutthe sensors. So we now have a
way of feedback mechanism so we cansee what's happening with the fields of the
Earth. That's part one. Parttwo is training people to create this heart

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brain coherence so that throughout every dayacross this planet there are people that are
literally feeding the field in a positiveway. So we're all feeding it every
day, We're all having feelings.The question is what are we feeding the
field every day? And it's bylearning these various techniques of heart brain coherence
that we're actually contributing not only toour own health, but contributing to the

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field that influences our cooperation or lackof cooperation on the planet. So it
is two things happening here. We'vegot personal and we've got global healing that
is occurring from embracing this relationship thatwas known by our ancestors in ancient traditions

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and is now being validated and reconfirmedand expanded through the best science of the
modern world. And it all happenswithin the context of a world that we're
living, a time of extremes.The world is changing faster than we've been
prepared to accept, and for manyof us, we're just not used to
that kind of change. So Ithink when I said I trust in the

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process, it's only now that thescience is giving us the tools to tune
our bodies and harmonize to the rateof change that we're seeing in the world
while the demands for that change isemerging. And I think it's perfect symmetry,
perfect timing. I don't understand everythingthat's happened. I don't claim to
that. I do trust in theprocess, and as I see it,
unfolding. Wow, that's exciting.A little coherence sounds very intriguing when next

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time we talked about to get moreinto that. I'm curious that if you
know, there was any kind ofmajor thing tracks on November twenty sixteen,
if there were any major the signalbroke up a little bit. I couldn't
hear what you said, Nicole,all right, major energy shift tracked on
November eight, twenty sixteen. Youknow, it was interesting. I went

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back. It was not what peoplewould have expected. I went back and
I looked at the magnetic fields.You're talking about the elections, right,
yeah, yeah, I went backand I looked. Well, first I
compared I went back to obamas firstelection, the very first time he was
elected, and what the data showedis that there was a lot of excitement
in the fields leading up to hisinauguration and on inauguration day, not so

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much the election, but on inaugurationday the field became very quiet. It
was the global energetic field became veryquiet. Scientists are reluctant to say one
thing causes another, so what theywill say is that something correlates with another,
and there's a high correlation between acalm that came that flowed across the

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planet, at least in those magneticfields. And when the inauguration happened and
then lasted for a few days,we didn't see that kind of change.
But we also didn't see a lotof you know, they thought they're scientists
and many casual observers thought there mightbe some kind of you know, anxiety

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showing up in the field, andthat didn't really show up either, at
least initially. It showed up afew days. I think it was three
or four days later there started tobe a lot of activity in the field.
And if you if you go onthis website, the bright the bright
areas that you see on those twentyfour hour charts, that is where there's
a high level of activity. Andwhen you see the dark blues and we

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don't see much happening there, thatis those are the quieter areas. So
there was a I think people weresurprised what happened during the election and inauguration,
and I think maybe the field.This is my personal opinion. This
isn't Hartman saying this. My personalfeeling is I think people the world was
surprised and was kind of I thinkthe magnetic fields are reflecting us, kind

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of letting it sink in what hasjust happened. And it took a few
days to do that. And thenthen about three days later we started seeing
a lot of really a lot ofactivity. And that's I think when people
figured out what just happened and theysaid, okay, you know now what
what's next? So that makes sense? Yeah, that is well, that's
the very intriguing project line. Iwas not aware of that. And now

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I'm on my data, so I'mgoing to be on there for several hours.
That's fun. Thanks for letting usyou were able to bring it,
bring up the site while we're talkingabout Yes, I went into global coherence
under research and then live data.Yeah, yeah, so you can see
the data. What's important here isthis project. And I'll tell you everyone
is fascinated by this. US military, mainstream scientists. We have never never

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has We've never had this depth ofunderstanding between the human body and the magnetic
fields of the Earth as individuals andthe collective response and our collective relationship to
this field. And it goes back. It hearkens back to this idea that
we are part of the world ratherthan separate from We are part of a

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living system, and we influence thissystem consciously or subconsciously, whether we know
it or not, we're influencing it. And now we have the ability to
consciously come together as a global communityand through doing something that's good for us
individually collectively, it's good for ourcommunities and it's good for nations. And

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I can't think of a better timeto have that ability and to breathe life
into that ability, and maybe nota better way to end our p because
it looks like it's almost the topof the hour for you, so we
are. I really appreciate you yourwork, your long years of dedication to
bringing this information for it, andI hope you'll join me when your next

(50:10):
book comes out October to discuss thatas well. I would love to.
All I need is an invitation,So I think I just heard one.
Yeah, Nicole, thank you,Thank you so much for the work you're
doing, and everyone listening, Ijust want to thank you all for all
you're doing just to be the bestperson you can be and to create the
best world possible. I'm an optimist. I've never been more optimistic about our

(50:34):
world. And I'm also a realistwe have a lot of work to do
to bring what we know in ourhearts to fruition in our lives. And
I just want to say one thingabout work. The prophet Khalil Glebron,
the poet and the prophet and theauthor in the twentieth century, and his
book that was titled The Prophet,he wrote about work and what he said
very clearly, and I read thiswhen I was ten years old and it's

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been with me ever since. Hesaid, work is our love made Work
is love made visible, and it'sgoing to take a lot of work to
change the way we think and live. That's our love made visible. And
I think we're worth it, andI think our world is worth it.
So that's what I'd like to leaveour listeners with today, Nicole Perfect Resilience
from the Hearts. Greg Braden's latestbook. We'll talk to him again soon,

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and Greg, thank you so muchfor being here today. Thank you
so much. I'll look forward tonext time. Take care. I'm looking
forward to it already. Greg Bradoncan be found online and linked up at
newsforthsoul dot com. This will bein the archives and re aired on our
California stations this week and we'll goout from there. We are back with
more right after this. You arenow tuned in to Nicole Whitney's News for

(51:40):
the Soul Highlights life changing spotlights seeus shared with leading teachers in the human
consciousness field. That's nineteen ninety seven. Go down to newsforthsoul dot com to
hear the full shows totally free.That's newsforthsoul dot com. Yes, we

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love news Else. I'm feeling enormousenergy around this show. It's just enormous,
enormous. I really have to handit to Nicole. You have created
sort of a niche of amazing,amazing connections that's just like the angels and

(52:23):
the David Pads that are like attractedto News for the Soul is amazing.
This is what I'm getting. It'ssome angel telling somebody, go hey,
listen, get on this show.Listen to this program, even on my
program, whatever program you've got on. It's really amazing. Hard to believe.

(52:43):
It's seventeen years and they there Vancouver, and you were sitting there in
class and you were using remusioing,and I think I said to you that
you were going to be a radiotalk show host or something along those lines.
It wasn't really a prediction. Itwas just a kind of a sense
of who you were and what youwere doing in the direction you were going.

(53:04):
Wow, well and there you wereand still going. But it's amazing
look at what you've done with it. I just wanted to say, I'm
very proud of you for what you'veaccomplished, for just the format to the
assemblage of wonderful people, great minds, and people who are working to serve

(53:29):
humanity and do the things that theydo. It's really I've been looking through
your list of pollers and I meanof interviewees, and you just do a
tremendous job. I'm so proud ofyou. I really am. And I'm
proud of all the people that supportyou and follow you and do what they
do and just keep doing that forthis wonderful woman. It's so important because

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there are not a lot of reallyhigh quality message portals that are around there
where messengers get to come in andsay what they want to say in this
form. So it's because of yoursupport of her that she's able to continue
doing that. So please step thatup and continue doing it. And I
just want to do it more.I mean I feel good being here and
being with you. I always dowhen I'm talking on you, So I

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back and it's time to go liveagain. I'm the Culmery Whitney News for
the Soul Radio, life changing talkRadio and the uplifting to the unexplained.
And over the many years that we'vebeen around, we have talked to one
very special scientist and author with areal gift in bridging science and spirit.
Doctor Bruce Lifted is with me herefor the next hour. Here today on

(57:31):
News for the Soul, and Iactually can't remember in the last time we
talked to him live, but he'sthe author of Biology of Belief, and
it, believe it or not,is the tenth anniversary of Biology of Belief,
so we're going to be talking aboutthat in case you don't know.
He is a stem cell biologist,best selling author, recipient of the two

(57:53):
thousand and nine DEI Peace Award,and he's been a guest speaker on hundreds
of TV and radio shows, includingours, over the years. And like
I said, bridging science and spirit, there's great power in that one place,
and that's where we begin. DoctorBruce Lipton, welcome back to News
for This Soul. Thank you sovery much. I'm so happy to be

(58:15):
back on the show, and I'mso happy to be able to talk to
the wonderful audience because there are mycultural creatives, the ones that are helping
create a new civilization, and Iso appreciate them. You know, so
much has happened in that field sinceyou and I first ever spoke and when
you began on your path. It'samazing now to see the changes coming to

(58:38):
pass that we just talked about seeingbefore. Well, For me, it's
very exciting because it was an opportunityto see something and then I had to
be patient enough to wait long enoughfor the public to get it. But
it's like, for me, itwas so exciting to see a whole different
understanding of the planet and the worldwe live in and the nature spirituality,

(59:00):
which as a scientist I never entertainedthat idea really, and through the study
of the cells, it was like, oh my gosh, we're not in
here, We're broadcast and it's likewow. So that was like an instant
transformation from non spiritual and spiritual atabout a minute of like, oh my
god, that's how it works.Oh oh god, I'm not in here,

(59:24):
but yes, go ahead, darningwhat's happening? Why chance anniversary?
What's changed? Where do you wantto start with this today? Well,
basically the new edition of the bookfor me is kind of fun because I
was asked when I was talking withHayhouse and it was like, well,
it was coming up ten years andI thought this would be a good time

(59:45):
to revise an update, I thought, And so they said, hey,
okay, why don't we do that. Take a look at it. And
for me, what was the reallymost exciting part. I hadn't read the
book for ten years, I guessanyway, and I sat down and read
the book and they got to theend of it, and I said,
wow, I don't have to changea word of this book. It's exactly

(01:00:06):
right from the ten years of science. And I said, but I said,
oh, but a lot has happenedin the last ten years of new
stuff that is relevant to our lives. And I thought, no, I
really wanted to include some what hashappened in ten years. So there's an
additional forty or more pages of currentthings, including wonderful discussion about something called

(01:00:29):
Kielomeres, which I presume was talkedabout on your show. Sometimes, right,
Keela Meres doesn't make any sense.Oh my goodness, Oh my goodness.
The fountain of youth. There isan absolute fountain of youth, and
it's ah, well, that's partof the book. And then there's a
lot more on the nature of howwe malign the concept of cholesterol as being

(01:00:52):
something bad when that's not true atall, that we blame this thing,
and then we try to regulate cholesterol, which is like, oh my god.
The machine is a very complicated bodyinside it's a machine. And when
you start throwing drugs in there sortof like throwing monkey ranges into the machine
sometimes. So the statin drugs whichpeople are on is like, oh my

(01:01:14):
god, is completely wrong. Sothe interesting ideas about new ways of looking
at life, and it comes downto also the main thing about stress,
because we look at you know,illness and disease and we say, oh,
well, there's genetics behind it,and it comes out, well,
less than one percent of disease isgenetically based, and that should stop.

(01:01:37):
People say, well, wait thenless than one percent comes from genetics and
biology, then where does the diseasecome from? And it turns out lifestyle
and stress, and all of asudden that becomes really important because if we
blame genes, then people just say, oh, I had nothing to do
with me. It's my heredity,you know. It's like, oh my
god, my life was predetermined bythose genes. And that makes people feel

(01:02:00):
like they're victims. Well, Ididn't pick the change, that I can't
change them, and apparently are controllingmy life. And then I say yeah,
but when we understand the whole newbiology is coming together, it reveals
no, we're not victims we're actuallycontrolling our lives, but we had no
understanding of how the invisible operation ofthe control was going on. So we

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had no awareness that we were involvedwith every aspect of our life. And
now the new biology says, ohmy goodness, we are the masters.
We are the ones that control ourbehavior and our genetics and all aspects of
our lives. But we just didn'thave the understanding or programming to know that

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while we have that opportunity, wehaven't been doing it. We've been running
by programs. So this awakening iswhat coming from the idea of victim of
your life to the understanding that weare masters, that we can control this
biology and inside and profoundly influenced everylife aspect on the outside when we start

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to understand of the new biology.So maybe a quick recap on your original
uha for the Matty that are stillunfamiliar with your story and in many countries
listening right now. Yeah, Ithink, well that's really important because this
is the foundation of today. Ithas become a revolution in planetary awareness that

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changes the things we were just talkingabout, going from victim to master.
When I was back, let's sayin nineteen seventy and being involved with teaching
in a medical school. I wasteaching medical students the belief that genes control
life, the idea that most peoplestill hold. Anyway, I was teaching
it back then, and at thesame time, I was cloning stem cells.

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And this is like forty some yearsago. And what I found in
the stem cell culture was I wouldput one cell in a piece tree dish,
one stem cell that's an embryonic likecell multipotential, and I put one
stem cell in a Petri dish byitself, and it would divide every ten
hours, and after a week you'dhave about fifty thousand cells because it keeps

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doubling and doubling. And I said, but what's interesting, they're fifty thousand
genetically identical cells. The experiment Idid was split the cells up into three
different Petrie dishes and change the environmenta little bit in each dish. And
you say, well, what's theenvironment, I say, well, we
grow cells in culture medium a fluidAnd I go, why, Well,
because that's the natural state inside thebody. They're inside a fluid system.

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When you cut yourself open and fluidfleek out. So basically, cells grow
in a fluid environment, and Isay, well, what is the composition
or you know, how do youmake up an environment for cells? I
go, you identify the blood componentsfrom the organism where you get the cells
from. So, in other words, if I grow mouse cells, I

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make culture medium based on the bloodcomponents in mouse blood, and when I
grow human cells, I try tomake culture medium which has the same composition
as human blood. So it's likethey're at home. So I say,
okay, what did I do?I have genetically identical cells three dishes,
but I changed the composition of theculture medium a little bit in each of
the three dishes, So I havegenetically identical cells, but a different environment

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in each dish. And the resultwas in one dish the cells worm muscle,
and the second dish the seals wormbone, and in the third dish
the seals worm fat cells. Wellthere's a very profound point here. It's
like, well, who or whatcontrolled the fate of the cells? Point
they were all genetically identical, Soit was you know, it wasn't built

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into the genes where this program unfoldedfrom. They all had the same gene.
It turned out it was the environmentand the relevance about that is here.
I am in the classroom teaching studentsgenes are making decisions. Gans turn
on and off can control life.And then I find out in my research
it's like that's not true at all. It's like whoa. And basically that

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was some pioneering work. Today's fieldof science that is really focusing on what
I was seeing forty years ago iscalled epigenetics. And you say, well,
it sounds like genetics. I go, here's the difference. When I
was teaching in medical school, Iwas teaching what was called genetic control,
simply control by genes. I say, but today the science is not called

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genetics, called epigenetics. And Isay, well, what's the EPI?
I say, oh, EPI meansabove, So I say, oh,
then when I talk about today epigeneticcontrol, I am saying control above the
genes. This is the whole remarkableevolution. We were thinking genes turned on

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and off. That's a total falsestatement. Genes are blueprints. They have
no more activity than a blueprint inan architect's office. They're just patterns.
But the idea about it is somethingselects the patterns and selects the programming above
the genes. And that's what we'rebeginning to find out is the environment that

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is adjusting the biology, so thatwhatever's going on the environment influences your biology.
So you walk outside and it's warmout, and the skin feels warm.
The biology adjusts itself now to cooldown the body. Oh we walk
outside when it is cold out.Oh, when you feel the environment of
cold, the body adjusts itself tomake itself warm. So the body is

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adjusting itself to the environment. AndI say, well, why is that
relevant? And I go, well, some environments are very healthy and some
environments are not very healthy. Andwhen we get sick, we have a
tendency to say, oh, thegenes and the biology are the problem.
Now we know that over ninety percentof illness is not due to the genes

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at all. Less than one percentof buildness is due to jans. And
so where's the illness coming from?And it says the environment. And here's
the catch, Nicole, And it'snot just environment, but our perception of
the environment. And I say thisbecomes very important because the environment hot cold

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outside directly affects the temperature of thebody straight on one to the other.
But if there's something going on inyour life and you have a vision of
it, you have a perception onis this good or is this bad?
Is this threatening or is this loving? That's a perception at that moment.
And I say, why is itrelevant? Because whatever you're seeing is turned

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into chemistry that goes into the blood, and the blood's the culture medium that
controls the genetics and the behavior.So a simple here's the simplest understanding.
It is so profound. It workslike this, is that the chemical composition
of the blood controls the fate andgenetics of the cell. And then I
say, the brain is the thingthat creates the chemistry and the blood.

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And then I say, yeah,but what chemical should the brain put into
the blood? And I say,well, whatever picture is in the mind.
And when we were younger, weprobably played with something called paint by
numbers, where you get a picturewith outlines and numbers in it, and
you get a set of paints withnumbers on each different color, and then
you put the colors into the spacesand then lo and behold you create this

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masterpiece of art. And I say, you know what's interesting, and this
is how simple likes it is.I love how simple it becomes things like
this. The brain and blood relationshipis paint by numbers in reverse, meaning
you first start with a picture inyour mind, and then the brain breaks

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the picture down into numbers. Butinstead of paints, the numbers represent neuro
hormones and growth factors and regulators andimmune system controls and all these things.
So, in other words, youyour mind sets a picture, your brain
breaks it down into a compliment tothat picture in regard to nerve secretions,

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and that then goes into the bodyand controls the behavior. So what's the
point. Your biology is a reflectionof what you see going on in the
world, and if you change howyou see the world, you change your
biology and you change your genetics.A wonderful insight which is mentioned in the

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book is the Dean Ornish, aninternist from San Francisco, has done a
lot of wonderful work. He tookhis prostate cancer patients, split them into
two groups. He read the geneticreadout of both groups of patients at the
start. One group got the regularmedical treatment, whatever the drugs and stuff
that was, and the other groupgot no drugs or anything. What they

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got was lifestyle changes. They learnedhow to eat a better diet, they
learned how to reduce stress, theylearned how to meditate, and ninety days
after the start of the experiment,they then read the genes of both groups,
and the drug gene people the genestate exactly the same as they were.
But in the group that did lifestylechange, five hundred genes, many

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of them directly associated with the prostatecancer changed their function in that ninety day
period of what just changing lifestyle.So there's the beautiful part about all of
this, Nicoll is that we're transitioningin a world where we have been taught
to believe we are victims, victimsof our heredity, and that when you're

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a victim, you give up responsibilitybecause you have no control anyway. And
also then you give up your savingsto anybody who says they're going to help
you with your problem. And thenI say, what's happening today? And
it turns around. Now if weunderstand how the mechanism works. Now,
it's how our thoughts and our beliefsin our mind are translated by the biology

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into the chemistry of our blood,which is then controlling behavior and genetics.
And if we know that just aswe just said. Then it basically says,
sys, what if you change yourbehavior and I go, well,
then you change your biology. Atthat point and all of a sudden,
it says, oh, my goodness, then we are masters of our biology.

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We're not victims of anything. Theonly thing we're victims of the belief
that we're victims. That that's wrong. So this is an exciting time,
a revolution on the planet, especiallywhen you consider the healthcare crisis, the
money, the amount of money thatwe're spending to bring people to health through

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a model that says, oh,it's just a broken genes and broken body
and give them some chemistry and they'llcome back and then find out it had
nothing to do with that except forone percent. But it had to do
with our lifestyle, our beliefs,our spirituals our attitudes about life, love,
diet, and exercise. There yougo, and those are things we

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can control. And if you understandwe can control it, then it says,
oh, then you don't have tobe unhealthy if you don't want to
be, because we can change ourenvironment and we can change our perceptions,
which is huge. Of course,why you're you and what you're doing.

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The perceptions are think as easy tochange as you're suggesting, yes, when
you have knowledge of how to changethem. And if you don't have an
understanding, then it's one of themore difficult processes in our lives because there's
a mechanism and we have to understand. Let me just give you the idea

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of how powerful a perception is,because it's a in some stage shows with
hypnosis, they hypnotize an individual andthey tell that person, we're going to
touch you with a burning cigarette onyour arm, and under that state of
hypnosis, that individual under hypnosis perceivesthat's what happened. But the person only

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touched them with their finger, justyou know, touch their arm with their
finger, and within a minute ortwo a blister begins to form, and
it's like, didn't just form anywhere, formed exactly where the person got touched.
And you stop for a second andsay, how can you accommodate that?
How does you make any sense outof that? Because the logic thing
obviously the skin did not get burntat all. And you say, well,

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but their blister formed exactly where youtouch. The answer was this,
the perception of the mind saw aburn, and the mind controlled the biology
to manifest the blister, and allof a sudden you say, oh my
god, look like a manifest theblisterd and it never really occurred. And
I go, and this is whywe have to really understand why our perceptions

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are so important, because if they'renegative perceptions it out or aren't even understanding
it, we are translating those intoour negative status of our health, and
all of a sudden, it's like, oh my god, to get the
health back. They say, well, we'll go to doctor, will get
some drugs. I go, no, you want the health back. It
take away the negative image, takeaway that perception. Very simply. You

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know, I'm trying. I'm sorry, I keep talking so much. They
called it trying to get this out. How simple this is. When I
was learning how to grow cells intissue culture, one of the first things
I learned was this was that afterI put the cells into the culture,
the procedure of getting them and thenputting them in the culture, I put
the dishes in the incubator overnight andcome back and look at them in the

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morning. And my major advisor atthe time in teaching me how to do
this, and when you come backin the morning, if the cells don't
look good. I mean, youknow, they're not healthy looking and they
don't look right. Don't blame thecells. First look at the conditions of
the culture medium and why that wasreal. That was at some point was

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I didn't even know it. Butyears later that's what the epigenetic science ultimately
came to say, was that it'sthe environment that it is manifesting that.
So I take a dish of healthycells, put it in a less than
optimum environment, and the cells startto get sick and die. And then
if you you know, if therewas a cell doctor and say, oh,
Bruce, yourselves are sick of Yeah, we should get a prescription and

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give them some drugs, and Igo, no, all you have to
do is take the cells from thebad environment, move them into the good
environment, and they will instantly gethealthy again. The point the cells become
a compliment. It sounds me,yeah, I gotta cut off. I'm

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back, Will. Sounds so simple, So well, we didn't talk about
changing. But that's how simple itworks. I mean, that's the amazing
part is like that we can imagineall kinds of complexities why my life turned
out this way, and if youleave out this first understanding is that your
perceptions are creating this unfolding. Thenwe're really lost because we're trying to figure

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out how the outside did that tome when we have responsibility. At some
point, should I, hello,you sort of cut out for a minutes.

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We're all little glitches, so justthe last ten seconds cut out.
Okay, you can edit that.Well, no, we're live. Oh
my goodness. Well you got togo with the flow, you know,
so and so. Yeah, it'sjust very basically, it's important for us

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to recognize that if we own thatwe have responsibility, then the means we
own that we can do something aboutit. And as you brought up,
changing the perceptions, and as youalso brought up, it seems to be
very hard because so many people havedifficulty and changing it. You know,
you read all the self help books, you go to the videos and watch

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the lectures, you do all thesethings, and no matter how much learning
you get about how it should be, it's hardly changes. Oh my god,
it changes heart. Well, tobreak it down, let's make it
understanding about this. The mind,which is controlling the system, is actually
compriced of two independent parts that areconnected together. One is called the subconscious

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mind, and that mind is theequivalent of a record playback device like a
CD recorder. You record something,you push play and then plays it back.
Every time you do it, playsit back, same thing over and
over again. So the subconscious mindis like the habit mind. The latest
evolution of the brain is right behindyour forehead of a lobe of brain tissue
called the prefrontal cortex. Associated withthat was the development of the conscious mind.

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I say, well, what's thedifference. Well, as I said,
the subconscious mind's a habit mind learnsbehavior stimulus response, stimulus response,
and that's how its life is managed. But when you get to the conscious
mind, something is totally different.And the idea is that it can think.
Number one, it's not just stimulusresponse. I can think. And

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number two, it can see intothe future or look into the past.
It can review the past, orcan look into the future. And I
say, well, why is thisrelevant? Because the conscious mind. Here's
the difference. The conscious mind isa creative mind because I can say,
well, what do you want todo on Monday, And it's not Monday
yet you obviously are creating something forMonday. So it's creative and I go

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yes. And here's the interesting partabout it. It's the mind that's also
connected to you as a personal identity, the connected to your spirituality, your
source, who you are, isplaying through this mind. So it's you
and it's creative. Say oh cool. So I say, the conscious mind
has your wishes and desires in it. So if I say what do you

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want out of your life, you'relooking saying in the future, I want
X. You're creating an idea.So wishes, desires, aspirations. Conscious
mind habits subconscious mind. Okay,And then I say, okay. Here's
the difference. The subconscious mind learnsin a different way than the conscious mind.
The conscious mind, because it's creative, can learn from you, as

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we mentioned, reading a book,going to a lecture, watching a video,
just going aha, and the consciousmind can learn something. I go,
this is not the same as asubconsiss I go, No. Subconscious
is a habit mind, and thatmeans this, when you put in a
habit, you don't want it tochange, especially if it's an important habit
like walking. For example, ifyou learn how to walk, you don't
want that to change. So thehabit mind is resistant to change. Firstly,

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okay, And it doesn't learn inthe same way. It's not creative.
It has to learn in a differentway. So here's the issue.
We now recognize that the subconscious mindin the first seven years of life is
downloading life experiences straight into the subconscious. In other words, the conscious mind

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of a child's not really fully engageduntil around age seven, when the brain
develops another higher level of function.Below age seven, the brain activity child's
mainly in a wavelength called data,which is below consciousness. It's imagination in
fact, and that's why kids,especially you know, two to seven,
can mix the real world in theimaginary world because their brain operating a data

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is that zone. But that zoneis also hypnosis. And you say,
why should the brain be a hypnosisAnd the answer simply this, there's so
much you can program with genes andculture. You can't program with genes.
It changes all the time, sothere's no genes for how to behave.
And yet you when you're born intoa family, the first thing you've got

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to learn is how to be afunctional member of the family, and then
a functional member of the community.And I say, well, how many
rules is that? And all ofa sudden, you say, well,
it's thousands of rules, and Igo, okay, teach a two year
old here, sit down, Igot to teach you a few thousand year
about how to be a functional memberof the family. It's like, well,
that's not going to work, butit works. For this reason,

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Nature designed the brain to be ina record mode for seven years, recording
what the behavior of the mother,the father, the family, the community.
Why it's observing behavior and learning howthe interactions occur. How a parent
talks to a child is different thanhow they talk to each other, which
is different than how they talk tothe neighbor, which is even different than
how they talk to a policeman.It's like, wow, the child learns

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all these but it doesn't learn themby reading or anything. It learns them
by just recording seven years of recording. And that's why the first seven years
is download. Then consciousness begins,and then consciousness can use the data to
make a life from it. Butfirst you have to put the data in.
So I say, well, therelevance then is the data that went
into a subconscious mind in the firstseven years. A is other people's behavior

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because you were recording other people.So that's a b. You weren't conscious
of the recording because your conscious brainwasn't working anyway at that point, so
you didn't see this download occurring.Okay, So it wasn't filtered. It
was just whatever you saw was thedownload. And most importantly, it was

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a period where the brain was indata, which is called hypnosis. Okay,
After seven the conscious brain ticks in. The subconscious is no longer working
on hypnosis at this point, okay, now is working on life experiences of
life, what you're doing. Okay, it changes the direction of it.
But the relevance is this. Thesubconscious learned in the first seven years through

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process called hypnosis, but after sevenyears it learns in a different way,
and what it learns by is repetitionhabit. That's what's called the habit mind.
So if you want to change aprogram after you're age seven, you
have to make a habit like anexercise, and you got to repeat that
habit, just like learning how todrive a car or learning how to walk,

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you had to learn. You hadto do it every day, repeat
it, repeat it till you getit down. Or the ABC's how many
times did you start a and nevercould finish until you learn the next couple
of letters, and then you canprogress, progress until you could get to
Z. And now guess what,Once you learned it, you don't have
to do it again. So thenature of repetition is after seven Okay,

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So I say, well, youwant to change your subconscious mind? How
do most people try to do it? First big mistake is they attempt to
talk to themselves. It's like,oh, you're talking to something. Oh,
Bruce, don't eat that donut.You know it's really bad, it's
really you know, do that.So I'm talking to myself, donate my
donut there, And then ten minuteslater I'm standing there with a doughnut in
my hand, going, you know, you didn't listen to me. What's

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going on here? You know,what the heck are you doing with a
donut? And then I go,here's the point. The subconscious mind is
a recording device that is recording thesehabits. It's a machine. There's nobody
in there. Point. If you'retalking to yourself, then presumably somebody is

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listening to you. You say,well, who's listening? Say subconscious is
listening? I go, no,no, no, You see, subconscious
is a machine. There's nobody inthere. So if you want to change
a recording on a disc, youcan put the disc into the machine and
you can talk to the machine.All you want is never going to change
anything. And that's the most frustratingthing because we can see what we want
to change, We know what wewant to change, we tell ourselves,

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and yet it doesn't work. AndI say why subconscious mind doesn't learn that
way? It learns A through hypnosisor B through repetition. And I'm going
to add a third one right nowbecause it's really important. There's a whole
new field and this is the excitingone called energy psychology, and energy psychology
is our modalities of changing subconscious programsthat rely on super learning processes. And

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you say super learning, I go, yeah. Maybe you seen somebody read
a book by moving their finger downthe page. As fast as they move
the finger down, they read everyword on the page, and they flip
through a book and they can reada book in minutes. That's an expression
of super learning. I say,what's the point. I say, with
some of these modalities, you canchange a belief you had your whole life

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in about ten or fifteen minutes.Wow, this is pretty exciting. I
go, yeah, we've had problemschanging beliefs from before for what reason?
Way, because we thought that theconscious mind subconscious mind were one and the
same. So the conscious mind becameaware of something, of course the subconscious
mind should have followed along. Okay, first mistake, No, they're two

(01:26:53):
separate minds. Second, we believethat, well, one mind can talk
to the other mind. I go, okay, false, because you the
talker, and the conscious mind istrying to talk to the subconscious when it's
just a machine. Nobody's in there. So that's why the failure of that.
Okay. And then what we haveto recognize this in the subconscious mind
learns in different ways, as Isaid, hypnosis, repetition, and now

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energy psychology. So I say youwant to activate change, Well, there
are three fundamental ways you can doit. Number one. In the old
days it was called subliminal tapes.Maybe they're called subliminal CDs. Now.
Basically, you put earphones on asyou're going to bed, and you have
a tape that gives a relaxation exercisefollowed by a belief statement you want to

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download about your life. And what'sinteresting is you go to sleep and as
you're going from a wake to sleep, you pass through data. The function
of the brain of hypnosis. Yourconscious mind doesn't hear what the tape is
playing. The subconscious is hearing whatthe tape is playing. So as you
have the earphones down at night,and as you're starting to go off the

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sleeve and the conscious mind checks out, the subconscious mind is now hearing a
new program repeatedly put in. Soit's making you a new program bypassing consciousness.
So that's one way. Number two, as I said, repetition,
Well, if you want to dosomething different, then you have to just
repeat the process. And at firstit's a struggle why because you're trying to

(01:28:24):
create something against an old habit.But the idea is repetition of a new
habit creates the new habit. Youknow, I can remember old enough.
Remember before there were seatbelts in thecar, and nobody ever drove his seatbelts.
Then all of a sudden there wasa law you have to put a
seatbelt on. It's like, everytime I put the belt on, oh
my god, I hate the stupidbellion and I would fuss over it all
the time. And at some pointof doing that for how long I don't

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know how long it was. Thenall of a sudden, it was like
it was so automatic that I getin the car. I don't even have
a discussion in my head. Iautomatically put the seatbelt on before I can
drive the car. Because it's anow a habit. Okay, have it
to start out begrudgingly, but whenyou repeat them, you're making a new
recording, and that recording will overridethe old recording. So that's a second

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way of changing it. And thenI say, the energy psychology modalities,
and they're very interesting because at leastyou know a couple of the ones that
I know have profound effects on thebrain that you can you can put a
person, you wire their head withthe EEG to read their brain activity,
and they go through one of whatthey're called balances or whatever you know.

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Process to make a belief change.You can put the wires on a person's
head. And a friend of minedoes as a neuroscientist, and he has
people in the audience and somebody wantsto have a change of belief. They
bring them up to the front.He puts on the wires and he has
projected above the person on the screen. The live EEG of the brain.

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And what's very interesting about it isthe person goes through a belief change process
and the audience can see the changeoccur in the EEG while it's happening,
like, oh my god, lookit happened, even before the individual on
the stage acknowledges that the audience couldsee when the change occurred. So basically
it sounds like new age woo woo. But we now can record these changes

(01:30:18):
that occur uh, and they're veryprofound. And for me, I've always
lived by this old saying necessity isthe mother of invention, and interestingly,
we're stage of our evolution where necessitysays we must change our beliefs fast.
And that new invention is energy psychology. So I'm unclear exactly what is it

(01:30:45):
like affirmations and things or is itsomething new? So it's a little deeper
than that. It usually involves someprocessing to engage the super learning process.
I know one very well because foryears there's I mean, I engage the
process in my own life, andit wasn't for that, I wouldn't have

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been able to write that book tenyears ago, because I had so much
trouble with the belief system that thatyou know, I was a conventional research
scientist, and you know your you'restanding in the community is based on how
others view you in the community,and my subconscious mind how to acknowledge.
I said, you know, ifyou write this book, you're going to

(01:31:26):
alienate all those people that validate youas a researcher. And so my subconscious
mind kept sabotaging writing the book becauseI saw that this would this would be
problem and and so I did abelief check and sure enough, that's what
I found. That the belief wasprotecting me from losing my scientific status.

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Uh. And I had to putin a new belief. And that's the
first time, one of the firsttimes I used this process called psycha,
and that change, we wrote anew belief about writing the book, getting
it done, no problem and allthat, and within the shortest time,
within two or three months after that, the book was done. So it

(01:32:08):
was removing a block that was unconsciouslytrying to protect me by saying, if
you do this, this is bad. And I had to get that block
out. And so I tried itand it was like a ten minute process
or something like that. It wastotally amazing, but The idea about it
was that how does this one work? Well, I know because there's a

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you get into a posture and it'scalled the whole brain posture, and you
cross your arms and your legs.And it's why it's important is because from
before age seven, when all thatlearning that the child is downloading, how
quickly they can download all kinds ofstuff. Like a three year old in
a family that has three different languagesrunning in the family, a three year

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old will pick out and learn allthree languages as independent languages. And I
say, yeah, But after achild is let's say eight or nine,
you try and teach one new language, and all of a sudden you're up
against the wall and they say,well, how's the three year old to
it? And that eight or nineyear old couldn't do it. And I
say, before age seven, ourbrains left and right hemispheres work in harmony

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with each other. After age seven, there's a wave cycle that during sometimes
during the day, you're more inthe left brain, and then sometimes during
the day you're more in the rightbrain, and then it goes back to
the left brains like a wave goingsometimes left, sometimes right, left,
right, left right, And Isay, well, this is profoundly important
because each hemisphere of the brain isassociated with different characteristics. So let's say

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my left brain is logical and myright brain is emotional, and I say,
well, what's significant. I say, well, sometimes during the day
I'm operating from my left brain.I'm more logical about everything I do,
and sometimes during the day emotional thingsaffect me much more than logical things.
And I say, well, what'sthe issue. I said, super learning
or that learning when the child beforewas four to seven was associated with both

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hemispheres working at the same time.As adults, we have trouble. And
the reason is this because the systemis designed to go through the wave of
left, right, left and right. And if you want to put in
a new learning program, it turnsout if you can synchronize the brain so
that both hemispheres are firing at thesame time, that logic and emotion are

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now integrated into the program, youcan rapidly download a new program. So
many of the exercises involved, orthe modalities involved similar kinds of exercise.
There are something to do to engagethis process. And this is very exciting
because, as I said, it'sa necessity for us in this stage of
our revolution. We're facing some veryserious civilization problems right now, and we

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have to empower ourselves. And aswe talked about, there's two levels of
empowerment right now. Number one epigeneticsis, Yeah, you're in control of
this, and if you want tostand it, you can manifest it and
be that collectively, our behavior asa culture is undermining civilization that we're going
extinct. And it's not a thousandyears from now, you know, they're

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talking about like civilization collapsing within twentyyears. This is reality. And the
reason why is our behavior, humanbehavior is undermining the web of life and
humanity itself. And so we're inneed of what a rapid MAKEO a rapid
readdo a rapid change this program andget out of the belief that life is

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a struggle for survival and get outof this belief that you're a victim of
your biology and re empower yourselves.And then when we do that, it
doesn't change the world. And Ijust love because one of my books is
called the Honeymoon Effect, and itbasically says, look, our lives may

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really just be a struggle all theway up and to a point we meet
this one person. We meet thisone person and we fall in love and
then like the next day, it'slike heaven on earth. You know,
there's period called the Heymoof fact whereGod is so beautiful life, it is
so great. I go. Youknow, it was a struggle until the
night before and the next day,all of a sudden, it starts to

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become heaven on earth. I say, what's that all about? And here's
what the answer is. As Isaid, ninety five percent of our life
is coming from the subconscious programs.And the reason for that is because our
conscious mind is thinking ninety five percentof the day. And because it's thinking,

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it's not paying attention. When it'snot paying attention, you don't stop
whatever you're doing, driving the car, walking, whatever you're doing. You
continue doing it. But now it'snot controlled by the conscious, it's controlled
by the subconscious program it's default.And I go. So it turns out
ninety five percent of the day we'rethinking, So ninety five percent of the
day we're playing subconscious programs. Yes, they came from other people, so

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they're not our beliefs and wishes anddesire, and we're manifesting ninety five percent
of the day, a life thatwe've been programmed to live, what we
can do and what we can do, et cetera. And then I say,
so what happened when you fell inlove? And this is the fun
part about the movie The Matrix,which is as I mentioned it, it's
catalog of science fiction, but forme it's a documentary. Yes, we've

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been programmed for seven years of ourlife. And they talk about taking a
red pill and getting out of theprogram. I said, you know what,
we now know that falling in loveis the red pill. We get
out of the subconscious programming for areason, and the reason simple. When
you have someone you find after youlook in your whole life, you have
this one person in front of yourface, the one you love, you

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don't let your mind wander, Youkeep your mind present, mindful. I
go, why is that relevant?Well, our life up until that moment
was being run only five percent bymindful and ninety five percent by subconscious.
And then after fall in love,that moment fall in love if switches around,
and now your life is run ninetypercent or more from the conscious mind

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and less than ten percent from asubconscious And I say, well, watch
the relevance of that, and Igo, up till the moment you fell
in love, Your life was thereadout print out of a program. As
you got the moment you fell inlove was taking the red pilm. Why
you stopped playing the program because youdidn't default of the subconscious because you were
mindful. And I said, well, what was the consequence of being mindful

(01:38:27):
without playing the program? I said, the honeymoon heaven on Earth. I
go, well, wait a minute, so the heaven on Earth is a
reality, except when you play theprogram. I go yeah. And so
when people change the program, wecan take this what looks like hell on
Earth and everybody could live honeymoon onEarth. It's the same Earth. It's

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just an attitude change. So thisis why we're so moving toward an evolutionary
upheaval, and it's an evolution ofpeople, not in by all, not
in genetics, but in consciousness.It just says we have to learn,
we can get out of the program. We can create new programs, and

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using the subliminal tapes, using therepetition habit thing, or using energy psychology,
these are all ways that you canrewrite any of the programs in your
life that you got in the firstseven years that are causing new problems.
And I'm going to keep talking atfor another second. Look all because I

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came up with something interesting about It'slike, you say, well, wait,
I got these programs, and Isay, well, what are the
programs? And you go, wait, Actually, the program started when you
were in the last trimester of pregnancyand continues to the first seven years.
So I said, oh, youhad a lot of programming before you were
born. You got programming your firstyear, tremendous quantity second year, and

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I just say, hey, Nicole, tell me what thing you learned when
you were one year old? What'sthe program that you learn You go,
I have no idea what the programwas at one year. Why, well,
the conscious mind wasn't even really workinguntil around seven at some point.
I mean, it has memories,but it's not conscious memories as much.
I will talk about that, Butwhy is it relevant? Because I say,

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well, what are the programs thatyou got in your subconscious mind that
could be sabotaging your life? Theysay, well, I don't really know
because I wasn't conscious when I gotthe programs. And then I go,
okay, now to make life easyagain, our lives are by definition ninety
five percent coming from the subconscious.So by definition, your life is essentially

(01:40:38):
a print out of your subconscious programs. I said what does that mean?
I said, well, look,anything you like that comes easily into your
life comes there because you have aprogram that allows them to be there.
In contrast, and this is theone. Anything you work hard at,
anything you struggle over, anything youput effort into, anything you sweat over,

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why are you working so hard?The answer inevitably, you have a
program that doesn't support that conclusion.And I said, well, then why
is this? You know, what'sthe importance of that? I understand?
I say, good, you don'tneed a lot of Now, let's just
all you have to do is lookat is a life and say what part
isn't working? And then just lookfor the program, then that part and
change that part. You don't haveto go back and say who did what

(01:41:23):
to make the program? Who when? And how did it happen? That
just makes it replay again. Thatjust irritated. That's why you got to
have so much cleanex when you goto the strength there you know, it's
like, now is this there's anold saying don't kill the messenger over the
message. The point is simply this, the program in your mind is the
message. How you got the message, that's totally irrelevant. You're living with

(01:41:45):
a message. So basically, dealwith a message. And the idea is,
then don't go backwards in your life, look at where you are now
and make a list and understanding ofwhat are the things that don't come easily
to you that you want? AndI say wow, And then I would
check a belief about having those thingsbecause there almost inevitably will be a belief

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that will not support it. Andyou were sabotaging yourself ninety five percent of
the day when those subconscious beliefs areactually plain. Okay, I think I
ran that spiel out in the call, but I'd just like to let you
go so we can cramis much inthere. But you had something, you
said, something that obviously needs tobe highlighted and underscored. So we have

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to get this, get out ofthis survival of victim programming now to avoid
a collapse of humanity in about twentyyears. Is that what I heard you
say? Absolutely, we now knowthat, and I know the estimates have
been longer than reality. That thescientists are finding that the things they were

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predicting are happening faster than their originalpredictions. And one of them, for
example, is how about this,no saltwater fish in the ocean in twenty
forty eight. I go that,luck, you know, it's like,
listen, tell your grandchildren there usedto be fish in the ocean at one
point. No, because we're overfishingand destroying the breeding grounds and polluting the

(01:43:14):
water and all that. It's likeit's on its way out. That half
the wildlife that was on this planetin nineteen seventy doesn't exist anymore. We
lost half the animals on this planetsince nineteen seventy half it's actually fifty two
percent. And yeah, all ofthis why it turns out human behavior.

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We're undermining ecosystems, We're pillaging theplanet. We're taking all the resources and
polluting and destroying. And we thinklike, oh, we have no effect
on it. It's like, no, we are causing. And this is
a fact of science. So I'mgoing to say this is the fact of
science, and that is this.We are into what is called the sixth

(01:43:57):
mass extinction of life on this planet. Five times in the history of this
planet life was thriving and then somecatastrophic thing happened and fifty to eighty or
percent of all the wildlife on theplanet disappeared, just you know, gone.
And they attribute things like maybe asteroidshitting or comets hitting the earth and

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upsetting the environment, or massive geologicalactivity volcanoes, earthquakes and stuff like that,
and they say, when we're lookingat the loss of species today,
it is greater and faster than theloss of species in the previous mass extinction.
And we're at a level now whereit's now mass extinction approaching because the

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organisms are getting lost. As Isaid, fifty two percent of the animals
are gone. And so all ofa sudden, it really says, is
that we are in a process calledthe six mass extinction of life. And
yet science, as I said,has knowsed what the cause is human behavior,
And all of a sudden it says, well, if you want to
stop the six mastic things, andthen we must stop human behavior the way

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it's working, because it's destructive ofnot just the humans but of the planet
in which we live. We're destroyingourselves and the planet. So we see
all these crises, and to me, this is very important. You look
at the crisis. There's an economiccrisis. You know, we have a
healthcare crisis, we have government criseshere, climate change crisis here, and

(01:45:30):
you start to make a list ofthem and you go wow, and I
go, you see what the illusionis that these are all separate things,
and in fact there's no. They'reall connected to one thing, and that
is us, and that's connected tothe sixth mass extinction. So what are
we seeing. We're seeing things likelet's say, a monetary crisis or a
fuel crisis, or you know,food crisis, which is happening now.

(01:45:55):
And I say, what happens whenyou get these crisis And the answer is
this, you cannot continue the wayyou have been doing things because it won't
work that way anymore. You hita wall, you must change. Ah.
The word change that means we changethe way we live in order to
survive. That by definition, meanswe're changing civilizations because the way we have

(01:46:19):
been living in the cultural beliefs ofthis civilization are responsible for this collapse.
And so when you look at theworld and you see all those bad headlines
and everybody going, oh my god, it's so scary, and I go,
no, no, you don't getit. This is good news.
It's good news for the reasons this. The system has to break down to

(01:46:40):
build a new system. We can'tfix this old one because that's the one
that caused the problems. The moreyou try and fix it, the more
you keep the problems going. Sowhile people are looking in fear, I
really want to say, wait aminute, you're focusing your efforts and energy
on the wrong side. You shouldbe focusing your efforts and energy on the
side of where's the change? Wheredo we go from here? How is

(01:47:01):
this going to be? And I'mgonna tell you what. All the people
that I started to know, beingmyself one of them stepping outside of the
box and living in a different wayand found that there's a much kinder,
kinder and gentler planet outside of theconventional world if you get out of the
programming. And the reason why thisis important is because the evolution means that

(01:47:21):
the system is going to collapse andit's required because it doesn't. Extinction is
right in front of you right now. So when you look at it,
if you look at it and fear, as I saying, this is a
remember the picture in your mind makesyour health part of the illnesses of this
planet is to be in fear ofthese changes because the picture of fear means

(01:47:43):
threat, and the threat changes thechemistry of your body and a protection,
and that will actually shut down yourgrowth and your immune system. In fact,
that's one of the biggest cause ofproblems in today's world, the fear.
So if you look at this crisisas fear helping yourself or the planet,
if you think about it, Ilook at the crisis as good.

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There are other ways to solve thisthing. There's another way to do life
better than this thing and the waywe've been living and it's changing. So
when you look at the world andyou see all the upheaval, is yeah,
because we're in a transition to stayfrom an old type of civilization,
the one we're in scientific materialism basedon matter, and moving into a more

(01:48:27):
holistic civilization where energy, which includesspirit is brought back into the equation because
we've left that out of the picture. So we're moving into a new civilization
right now. And that's why whenI got on you know, when we
started a call today and I mentionedcultural creatives, because the people that are
listening to your show, Nicoll,which is very important. This show is

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saying, look, there is lifeoutside the box. There are other ways
of living, and the sooner youlearn it, the more prosperous your life
will be becase because if you resistthe learning, it's going to hurt,
because things are not happy if youresist it. So my message is,
okay, we can change our way. Look at the world. Start to

(01:49:12):
recognize that what do you want fromlife versus what the program said you would
be? And this is a timeof great flux and change and the opportunity
to rewrite the programs, create thenew world and move out of this collapsing
one into a civilization that we candrive into. That's what's in front of
us. And that's really what wehave been doing. But you're saying we

(01:49:35):
need to really bring it now.Well, yeah, there's talk, and
then we got to do the action. And I know that from my own
self. You know. Look,when that biology belief came in, I
had and I understood the nature ofOh my god, how my perceptions and
beliefs and attitudes control my life.I got so excited I want to go
out and tell everybody because I thought, look, tomorrow the world will change

(01:49:56):
when everybody knows this, and I'dget whatever I could. People gather together
and I give a lecture. Isay, if you understand what I'm talking
about, I can have the mostwonderful life on this planet. And then
that audience in those early days,they'd look at me and cock their heads
and go, you know, livedin your life doesn't look so good for
a guy who says you know thisstuff. And that was the big wake
up call because I almost said,well, do as I say, not

(01:50:19):
as I do. And then Irealized, oh my god, here you've
got this great secret of life.You want to tell everybody else about it.
You're not doing it. I realized, Yeah, here's the difference.
You can create all that knowledge inyour conscious mind, but if you don't
apply it in your behavior, andyou don't apply it in your life,
then it's like information up on thetop of a trivia game someday, but

(01:50:43):
you haven't done anything. And that'swhat I had to do, is like,
wait, and now that I knowhow it works, I now have
to manifest the life using these principles. And God, I have to tell
you. I mean, look,my last book was called the Honeymoon Effect.
Why well, when you start tosee Earth as heaven where you came
to create. It changes everything aboutthe way we live on this planet.

(01:51:08):
Well, always smoke, the timehas just it's by us. That's a
perfect pause moment, have an honors. It's a lot better than destruction of
total humanity. Yeah, there's agood destination and joy will be there and
happiness and love and community sharing.I see it because I've been around the

(01:51:29):
world and I've seen people moving inthat direction and been in communities where things
like that are going on. It'slike, oh my god. Sometimes we
think this is never going to happen. And what we don't realize, Nicole,
is that there are so many groupsout there, so many shows such
as your own, providing this newinformation, and we don't see the other
ones. And therefore we look andsay, yeah, I guess we're the

(01:51:50):
only ones here. And it turnsout no, we have large numbers of
us all over the planet, butthey're not connected yet. But in one
you know, it could be overnight, just like a Berlin wall boom,
they all decide to connect and theworld will change the next day, just
like what happened in the Berlin Walkcoming down. That's a beautiful vision,

(01:52:11):
and we need people like you outthere waking people up and shredding these new
paths and so we can see thevision and hold it together. It's very
important. You know, we didn'treally get to the forty pages and you
mentioned you mentioned fountain abuse. Ican't believe it. We have to have
you back. Oh that would be, that would be wonderful, foundain views.

(01:52:33):
That's a good story because it's real. Okay, I want to hear
it. So we've got it.That's good. Now that means a future
invitation. I'm ready it does.That's exactly what it means. So oh
my gosh, there's a show rightbehind it. Who We've got about sixty
seconds to the top here. Sodoctor Breuslichen, how do they get your

(01:52:55):
updated biology? It's the whole book. Amazon stores everywhere, my website,
which is simple Bruce Lipton dot com. Most any bookstore should have it,
and I really hope people take alook at it because it's a book of
knowledge of self and knowledge is power. Therefore, Biology belief is knowledge of

(01:53:18):
self empowerment and that's what it reallyis a tool of knowledge to change your
life. Tuda, Well, thereyou go. I will be emailing your
office today with potentially times Because ofcourse we've left on a big cliffhanger.
We won't want to hear about theFountain of Youth and all the other good

(01:53:39):
stuff, so we will talk toyou soon, I hope. So thank
you so much, Nicole, Thanksso much for being here. Always a
pleasure. Doctor Bruce Liften, authorBiology of Belief, and the new tenth
anniversary edition with those mysterious extra pagesis now out, so look that up.
We'll post it up on our siteas well. News for Thesoul dot

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com and we're back with more rightafter this. This is Nicole Whitney,
News for the Soul, life changingtalk radio from the uplifting to the yet
explained. James, the great honorto have you on the show tonight.
Welcome you, fetch that, thankyou. Yes, this is Ori Hi
Eri. It's Nicole Whitney calling Newsfor the Soul. Welcome to News for
the Soul of Robert Allen. Thankyou, Nicole. It's great to be

(01:54:23):
here with you tonight. Why areyou here. We're talking to Carolyn Mace
about Sacred Contracts, one of hermany best selling books. Welcome to the
show, Great Brandon Well good evening, Nicole. It's certainly a pleasure here
your voice and a pleasure to behere tonight. Welcome to the show,
Stuart web Thank you very much,John Keiko, Welcome to News for the

(01:54:44):
Soul. Hey, how are younext up? Doctor David Marhaus. I'm
so glad that you called me becauseyou are doing such an important task,
important work, because you are spreadinga very positive message. I was really
moved out last week's show because wemade a commitment to a worldwide event to

(01:55:05):
try to change consciousness. I'm feelingenormous energy around this show. It's just
an enormous, enormous I'm really happyadded to you, Nicole. You have
created sort of an a niche ofamazing, amazing connections that's just like the

(01:55:25):
angels and the David Pads that arelike attracted to News for the Soul is
amazing. Hello, everybody, thisis Danian Brinkley. Welcome to the Hearts
and Minds of a gold fifth Suitsfor the Soul. I mean that was

(01:56:00):
weird. I don't think about ourbell every day. Well wait, they
passed at ten thirty in the morning, so you don't ever know he popped
in here. It was out.Well, then he wasn't he wasn't alive
then, so you know, here'sour He punched in on the chat room.

(01:56:21):
And the day he died, Isaid, well, that doesn't really
that doesn't really mean that he thathe was really alive. You know,
I think that of all the peopleout there who would find a way to
Oh, he'll do it, he'llcome back, he'll do it, He'll
find a way. He says,let's go get the mail. And he
had bought him a grand damn transamfour hundred horse power okay, four speed

(01:56:47):
when it was brand new, Andwe went and got the mail at one
hundred and forty two miles an hour, okay. And that was that.
Joy Art was about Art Art's abilityto openly, consciously explore realities based on
the credibility of the research he haddone on the person that's on the air.

(01:57:11):
This is how he was. Therewas no casualness about it. He
was ready, and he was worried. He was worried about this drought he
had seen and that people were goingthrough. And he went on the radio
and he decided, he decided thathe was going to try to use the
power of prayer because it had beensomething we had talked about and something we

(01:57:31):
had talked about, and you knowwhat were those possibilities Because we would talk
about it, he'd hear showed thathe thought was important. And there was
me, there is to me andanother two other people that he would talk
to about. And so he decidedhe was going to get all of the
coast to coast people. There's probablyfifteen million people that would listen to the

(01:57:54):
show, So thirteen million people thatwould listen to the show. And so
Art set up prayer. He setup a prayer for rain and it started
raining the next day I remember,and it rained like for five or six
days. Okay, that was myfavorite one because all of a sudden I
was calling him Art gods and andbut he had he had nowhere to go.

(01:58:19):
Nicole, I remember that consciousness,that experiment with the Joe, and
it was interesting how we explored thatafterwards, because he came afraid that when
it scared the crap out of him. I know, I scared the crap
out of him. I had tolisten to it for like a week,
you know, and you know hehas to come off his high horse.

(01:58:43):
I was in such pain in thatbrain surgery thing in ninety seven, Nicole,
You know that was like, ohmy God. When I blew my
brain out and subdued him with Tomasand I was crushing. Art got people
to pray for me, and Inever knew this until late. I never
knew this till later. But atabout two o'clock one morning, or like

(01:59:03):
three o'clock one morning, and whenI couldn't take it anymore, the room
clears. Is in the hospital bearthe room cleared. There was no noise
or any of that. And knowingthat, I thought I was going to
die from it, the brain surgery, because you'd have to do open our
surgery and brain surgery at the sametime, and there was no way I

(01:59:24):
could make it through it. SoArt got people to pray, and I
know the moments because I could organizemy life I could not. I could
get away from the pain and Icould organize my life. And that went
on for like three or four hoursbefore it all came back. The Bain
came back, and it was atthe exact same time that Art had gone

(01:59:44):
on the air. Welcome to Newsfor the Soul's twentieth Anniverse rebroadcast series.
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Unexplained Platinum edition. Here is Newsfor the Soul. Here all were previously

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aired broadcast at News for the Solonline at newspdesol dot com. And let's
get back to the show and weare live is Saturday, April twenty first,
twenty eighteen, and very very specialguest with me today, my original

(02:01:17):
co host in the first two yearsof being on air radio transitioning out of
positive news newspapers, et cetera,the one and only Daniel Brinkley. We're
going to get him started in amoment. I'm just going to remind you,
first of all, Daniel saved byThe Light at Peace and Light Secrets
of the Light. It's been awhile since I've talked to him, so

(02:01:38):
there maybe more titles after that.Danion dot Com is his website. If
you're unfamiliar with Danion, which Iknow many of you are not. Recently
Friday the thirteenth, last week,April thirteenth, twenty eighteen, who unexpected
in somewhat surprising passing of Art Bell. We're here to honor his legacy in
paranormal radio and remember him. Danianwas a regular on his show for many

(02:02:01):
years and a good friend. Sowe're going to bring Dannian on and catch
up with him and talk about thelife changing legacy of the Art Bell and
radio career. Danian, welcome back. What's certainly an absolute pleasure to be
back with you, Nicole. I'vemissed you. I've thought about you often.
Come on and me too, andthinking about in the early days.

(02:02:24):
I was just reminiscing about those earlydays and just how far you've brought people's
consciousness has a lot to do withlike Art. Art was. Art was
in trouble and when he had cometo a place where they called it COPD.
But you know you smoked cigarettes forforty years and it was like a

(02:02:45):
trademark of his and so that's whatfinally finally ended it. But when I
talked to him about three weeks thecold before this happened. Because Art not
state friends, I was the firstperson to prove the Art bell but that
people could read other people's minds.I mean, that was one of his
shows, you know, And itwas like all of a sudden, a

(02:03:05):
reality shifted in his consciousness that thestuff he was listening to on the radio,
there were possibilities that some of thatstuff could be true. And so
when I was talking to him,he was in more pain. You could
hear it, and as it gotcloser, you know, just it just

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got to be too much for him. Every breath, every breath was a
pain. So wherever Art is today, wherever he is, and that vast
cosmic range of knowledge and love anddivinity that it just to permeates our existence,
Art knows the answers to everything thatwas unexplained of all those people he

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listened to and all those things that'sgoing on through his life, and what
coast to coast became. Then Arthas the privilege of knowing the answers to
every one of those questions that weall sought my listening to his radio show,
and he is not in pain.I mean I went to the future.
I was just going to share withyou, Dani, and that on

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Friday the thirteenth, the day hepassed, he actually popped into my consciousness
unexpectedly, and I did. Ifound out later that was the day he
passed, So I know that wewere meant to do this tribute show today.
Yeah, he might not have.He might have. He might have
popped in on that and wasn't evenhere. This is the fun part about

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Art. Think about it in Nicole. Art knows it all. And Art
was brilliant. He was as greata radio personality as ever. I mean
his skill set and his ability tolisten and to take apart and dissect the
conversation because he never believed anything,and that's what made him can He kept
that moniker as he explored, andhe would go with it. If you

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know, if you're Satan, callme. You know I can remember that
show. You know the damn areyou? Then he would have fundamentalist arts.
He'd have a bunch of fundamentalists onthe goal and then he would get
a bunch of swamies and he wouldjust start to hurry up if you were
a time travel or from the future, Yeah, aren't you just crazy?

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Okay? I mean he would be. It was so good, and he
had these little perks about him.Most people. He was a pool shark.
I mean he could shoot serious poolI mean serious okay. And he
was a practical joker. And peoplenever saw that personality, you know,
that place where it was just ourbell and as a human being, he

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was wonderful and why me aretn't andI became really fast friends because I gave
him away to look at stuff peoplewere talking about Nicole, just like in
our early days. I would listen. But I've been dead, and I
understand from a different point of view. When I look at stuff, I
look at it letally different at art. Would watch me do that, and

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he would and he would, uh, he would explore stuff and what I
thought about it, you know,not that it was right or wrong,
It's just what my opinion of itwas as I would look at it.
And he was so funny, youknow. And as the years would pass,
Uh, we would talk about issuesand global and prophecy and you know,

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the things that were unfolding because asand when Mona passed, and Mona
was his soul, you know,she was that place that had changed him
into who and what coast and coastbecame and every great man there's a great
woman. And she she was theperfect blend for him. And uh,
he was watching the changes because hehad a really good mind, and he

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did his homework. He called hisown guess. Think of parallel of someone
that I'm on the phone with rightnow that is the same. You know,
think of Cole when you look atthe people who who felt it solve
the truth and they've evolved, They'veevolved in a course of action of multiple
possible realities that we as dynamic spiritualbeings living in this dimensional reality practicing being

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God's this is the place where youcome to practice be a God, and
you have a right to form anopinion of it even if it wasn't true.
Okay, that's that's the freedom ofthis dimension because in the other dimensional
realities, based on the restrictions thatapplied to enter that reality, then the
fact that whether it was right orwrong is not an issue. What exactly

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happens based on the divine law andthe cursive law. Whatever happens, these
are the rules by which it operatesby. And you don't have that fact
that you can be wrong and thinkyou're right. You know, what is
your first week? Art? Whatis the first time he's talking about?
All right? So Art Art wasgoing from politics. He was a good

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political analysis, he was really goodat that, and he was transitioning into
from from talk radio politics like likeyou know Hannity shows, and he started
looking at all the issues that peoplethat's going on around us and that no
one talked about. So I thinkI was on Art show. It had

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to be ninety four. Wow,it had to be ninety four. And
I probably did the show four orfive times a year, you know.
And Art and I started the VeteransDay Annual Report. That was nineteen years
ago. It's created the Twilet Brigade. And from the Twilet Brigade, Art
was a veteran, you know,nom era veteran, and so you have

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that commonality in that conversation. Andso we started looking at what was going
on in the healthcare of the veteransin the United States, and we made
an annual report every year like Idid the twentieth one. No Vivi of
the eleventh and so death was big. This is her early nineties. You
know, death was big. Raymondwas Raymond was. I guess the nations

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got scared and are something something washappening, because that's where death becomes an
issue. Terrorism, all those thingsbecome issues in psychologies and are explored that.
So I not only had gone throughit, and I was like a
captain dead in those times, andArt and I would get into conversations and

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I was not radical and in mybelief system about the nature of the near
death experience, and I had alreadybeen through like two of them. I'd
already been through two of them.And Art and I got to be so
much, so good a friends thatby nineteen ninety seven when I had to
have brain surgery, and they mydad was on the phone with Raymond and

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they said that, you know,the surgery would get me or I was
going to die and so much Iwas going to be in so much pain
that no telling what I would do. And so they have to have oh
part surgery and brain surgery, andRamona and Art flew to Charleston, South
Carolina, and through those critical dayshe did is a radio show literally,

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not literally from the room, butfrom the radio station just down the street.
That's how good are friends that weevolved into because spirituality is not a
is not an elusive subject to me, you know the nature of the spirituality,
of who we are as spiritual beingsoperating in this framework. It's not

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like I'm on some fervorite mission.I mean, I know what happened and
how, And he would say Iwas the most spiritual person he ever met,
but I was still an asshole.But that was that was our descriptions.
That was our That was our descriptionsof them. But is who you're
referring to as Raymond correct? Saythat again? Or Raymond Moody? Is

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who you're referring to as Raymond correct? Yeah, doctor Raymond Moody. What
I was just going to ask you. I remember just say to callers when
they recall in and wanting to connectwith their loved ones that had passed.
Nows used to talk about putting lightinga candle and then remembering and talking about
your favorite moments with them. Thatwould be really awesome to do that today.

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Well, if you want them tocome back and visit you, you
know, I know how much funArt is having and I know he's staying
close. He's not going to letgo. He will not let go.
And this is me theorizing it's notsomething I know is the fact about Raymond.
But knowing Raymond and knowing those dimensionallevels of consciousness, which like you

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know, Nicole, I don't thinkthere's many people who know more about that
about those levels was early four orfive levels than me. I study it,
so I know what Raymond's doing.And he has a eleven year old
and a two year old, andhe was seventy two. And what you

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were talking about was that he punchedin on the chat room and the day
he died, I said, weknow that doesn't really that doesn't really mean
that he that he was really alive. You know what, I think that
all the people out there who wouldfind a way to oh he'll do it,
he come back, he'll do it, He'll find a way, I
don't have any I have a littledoubt about it. I mean that's my

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thing. On the day off,I mean, that was weird. I
don't think about Art Bell every day. Well wait, they passed at ten
thirty in the morning, so youdon't ever know it. In here it
was when well then he wasn't Hewasn't alive then, so you know,
here's our But this is me understandingArt and the goal he knows and hurt

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it all, you know, allthat stuff that we all anticipate in stuff.
And I'm not sad because I knewthe pain he was in and I
know the way home, and Iwasn't sad. I went to the funeral,
uh, you know, because theywanted to keep it closed and they
blocked the media and all that stuff. But I went to the funeral and
I surveyed and looked to see howit could be a nervous to Aaron,

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you know, and anybody else totalk to. And Whitley spoke, and
then I told this story about ArtArt, but Art went through a crisis
about his son. I knew aboutit, you know, and I knew
about it intuitively, and I cameto see Art and that kind of friendship

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because I not only could sense andknew so much more about it than anybody
was saying. It was amazing tohim, but it was a place where
Art could settle in and understand thatthere is a there is a very patterned
in nature of the spiritual dimensions orthe ethereal dimensions or the quantum dimensions that

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exist. So I would say thatArt would Art would sense once he lifted
out, he would sense and feelthat range, and he would be able
to slow his frequency down because heunderstands radios. He's a sure wave man.
He built his own he built hisown systems, so he would understand
the dynamics of the science of theart form. Where you slow your frequency

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down, you set a certain harmonic, and then that harmonic is how you
dimensionally move. Why you do certainThat's why breath exercises and all that,
and he would know that, sohe would find a way. But where
Art was at where he was,he was he was being a dad because
he felt like he'd blown it somuch in the early years about going with

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his other kids. Because it wasthe nature of Art to be able to
communicate worldwide and to explore using shortwaveradio ham operator. So he would understand
frequency dynamics and he would understand thosekinds of stuff to move. But in
the early moments, and even ifyou are leave in a beautiful wife and

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someone that's been great for him andhim great for her, and a couple
of little kids and the comfort ofwhere he was in his life. He
would be focused on that more thanhe would be focused on trying to communicate
with any of us. But Ihave no doubt that Art Bel will be
heard from again. What are yourfavorite memories of Well, let's stay on

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the air, being on the airwith her. Well, let me tell
you my one of my favorite memoriesof Art off the air Okay, okay,
So I come up. He callsme and he says he wants to
come up. I said, okay. So I came up and we were
talking and you know the things thathad come on, because if you knew
Art Bell, you had to watchyou had to watch Somewhere in Time so

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he could look at Jane Seymour andhe loved the plot of Somewhere in Time.
And if you knew Art Bell,you always had to go to that
Montac place in Michigan, Okay,where it was filmed, and that was
it. I mean, but Icame up and he had gotten him.
I mean, we come up inthe same time. The muscle cars,

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you know, the stuff that oldguys can talk about. And he said,
he said, let's go get themail. And he had bought him
a grand damn transam four hundred horsepowerokay, four speed when it was brand
new, and we went and gotthe mail at one hundred and forty two
miles an hour, okay. Andthat was that joy. You know,

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This is the relationship is two guysgrowing up in the fifties and the sixties,
you know, growing up in thattimeframe. And that was a joy,
the best one on the radio becausethe people used to laugh because art
was about art. Art's ability toopenly, consciously explore realities based on the

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credibility of the research he had doneon the person that's on the air.
This is how he was. Therewas no casualness about it. He was
ready and he was worried. Hewas worried about this out he had seen
and that people were going through.And he went on the radio and he
decided, he decided that he wasgoing to try to use the power of

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prayer because it had been something wehad talked about, and it's something we
had talked about, and you know, what were those possibilities Because we would
talk about it, he'd here showedthat he thought was important. And there
was me, there was to meand another two other people that he would
talk to about it, and sohe decided he was going to get all

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of the coast to coast people.There's probably fifteen million people that would listen
to the show, so thirteen millionpeople that would listen to the show.
And so Art set up prayer.He set up a prayer for rain and
it started raining the next day,I remember, and it rained like for
five or six days. Okay,that was my favorite one, because all

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of a sudden, I was callinghim our gods and and but he had
he had nowhere to go about thereality of the power, of the nature
of the combination of divine people,people coming together for a good reason or
people coming together for a bad Thatenergy was there, and that energy operates

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there, and he had a wayto see it in his own life.
Well, that's a guy just maturingin the divine way and watching what he's
hearing being true. When he appliedit. He never did it again,
except when I was in such painin that brain surgery thing in ninety seven,

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Nicole. You know that was like, oh my God, when I
blew my brain out and subdued himwith Tomas and I was crushing. Art
got people to pray for me,and I never knew this until later.
I never knew this till later.But at about two o'clock one morning,
or is like three o'clock one morning, and when I couldn't take it anymore,

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the room clears. Is in thehospital bed, the room cleared.
There was no noise or any ofthat. And knowing that, I thought
I was going to die from it, the brain surgery, because you'd have
to do open our surgery and brainsurgery at the same time, and there
was no way I could make itthrough it. So Art got people to
pray, and I know the momentsbecause I could organize my life I could

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not I could get away from thepain and I could organize my life.
And that went on for like threeor four hours before it all came back.
The bain came back, and itwas at the exact same time that
Art had gone on the air,you know, and when he talked to
my dad and they you know,it wasn't I wasn't going to make it,
and so he came and then Itold that story. I told that

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story, and I didn't know thatArt had done that. I didn't know.
It was just another moment in phenomena. You know how I am about
phenomena that reinforces that what I believeabout how great and wonderful we all are
is reinforced. And this is thethings that watching Art where he would be
right now, he would be payingattention to Aaron and the kids, and

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he would focus that energy surrounding themmore than he would be intellectually searching for
a way to get back here.But he'll be back, But I'll tell
you some of the funniest He hadthe Devil called in and he I think
Art kind of knew who this guywas, you know, because he's heard
him on other shows. Because Artwas a lot about letting people ask questions.

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You know, he would do theshow and then it would be called
in and it'd be truckers, peopleout in the world working all night in
seers and people working all night,the people of the night in bars,
you know, all across America,all across the world, and that was
just Art and the night brings thatkind of comfort to explore those kinds of
things, and Art saw it.He saw it as a way to put

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information out there that's truly out therefrom him being you know, not a
crank to see that's out there andto make it happen. I remember,
I remember that consciousness experiment with thejoke, and it was interesting how he
explored that afterwards because he came afraidthat wasn't it scared the crap out of

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him. I know, it scaredthe crap out of him. I had
to listen to it for like aweek, you know, and you know
he has to come off his highhorse. He's wonderful and no remember,
as as grand as human being asyou want to meet. You know,
it went through some tough situations incoming up of it, coming up and

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going from just being a radio jock, swinging rat wax. I mean he
was. He opened up a radiostation with like a ten mile radius up
in trump and all he played wasoldies, but goodies. He programmed it.
And this was where he first startedout, and he had his own
radio station and he and he ranhis a radio station and he played oldies,

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just where he started. And thenhe evolved in the news because he
has a smart, brilliant perspective.And then he evolved into paranormal and he
loved the night. You know,he's like a lot of us, A
lot of us loved the night andthen people are working. And he saw
from the conversations of people calling inthat some of these people were just as

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crazy as hell, and then someof them were brilliant who had understood and
looked at it and thought it throughand it was logical, especially first observers.
Art could tell the difference between somebodywho really did it happened to and
who was just telling a story.He was really good at it. The

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other thing, to Nicole, brilliant. He could control the movement of the
thought pattern of his audience with ahazand two words to change the tempo in
the perspective, because he knew whenthe person would be moved