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Reporting from the leading edge of humanity'sconsciousness evolution since nineteen ninety seven. This
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Now here's your host, the oneNews for the Soul listeners are calling the
Oprah of the Internet, Nicole Whitney. Well, welcome to News for the

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Same, Doctor David Hawkins. Thisis doctor Hawkins. Hi, doctor Hawkins,
how are you. I'm so gladwe connected. I first heard about
your first book when I was actuallyat a talk with Wayne Dyer and he
had been explaining to the audience thathe had changed his I mean, this
book had just changed his entire path. And then I heard several other speakers

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say the same thing at other events, and I thought, I got to
check out this book. My understandingis he has been able to map out
energy levels of consciousness. Is thatright? It was based on the discovery
of how to tell truth from falsehood. As part of consciousness research, we
discovered that we could tell truth fromfalsehood. And because that the basis of

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it is really the basis of consciousnessitself. The field of consciousness recognizes truth,
it doesn't recognize falsehood, so it'snot true versus false test. It's
a true versus not true. Andbecause consciousness itself is totally encompassing of all

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mankind and it's outside of time temporaltime, we discovered we could find the
truth or falsehood of anything anywhere intime or place. Any person that ever
lived, anything, they ever thought, anything ever written, every piece of
music. We're currently doing a bookwith a thousand calibrations of everything from ancient

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pyramids to all the great philosophers,the great artists, and all the aspects
of current society. So it's areally incredible research tool. So I started
to have anyone and how did youfirst come across this concept? Well,
I myself had had somewhere what theROLL calls enlightened enlightening experiences very early,

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and they tended to recur and thenbecame extremely overwhelming in my late thirties.
What was happening, Well, thefirst one began really at age three,
when out of total oblivion, Isuddenly became aware of consciousness. I became

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aware of existence. I had noverbalization for it, but there was a
non verbal awareness of existence. Andinstantly up became the fear of non existence.
If I exist, it could havecome about that I would have might
not have come into existence. Sothat's a spiritual work. That's called the

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polarity of the opposites. It's aduality, and really it doesn't get resolved
until very advanced spiritual evolution calibration levelabout eight hundred and fifty. That took
me fifty years. And then ateenage I and a near death experience in
a snow bank. And in thosedays nobody ever heard of such things.

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But in the middle of a blizzard, I climbed into a snowbank to keep
from freezing to death, and suddenlya warm you know, it was obviously
divinity, a warm glow. Ever, presence prevailed and there was no personal
self left. The only reality presentwas this infinite love in which any personal

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self totally dissolved. And in followingthat experience I never mentioned anybody what would
you say about it? But therewas a transformation and completely lost all fear
of death. I've never had afear of death World War two, you
know, I forgot killed a numberof times, and I had no anxiety

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about it. If you go,you go, I mean, didn't make
a difference to me. Well,then then my late thirties, after some
intensive inner spiritual work, the personalself disappeared permanently, that which is called
the mind stopped thinking and there wasonly like a profound awareness of an infinite

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presence, which is what is speakingto you today seeing is there is no
personality involved. Personality is like utilizedby the self with a capitalist and life
after that point is spontaneous. Thatwas sort of an unusual story. Yes,

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it is. So you're saying,be able to overcome the eager mind
or the lower self mind or whateveryou know, and everybody calls it something
different. Yeah, it just disappearedinto nothingness, and I saw it was
an illusion. After that it waspractically possible to function, and I did
leave the worldfel close to ten yearsand and then began to function again.

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And out of that came this research. I attended a lecture on kinesiology,
and when I saw the hinesiology,which chiropractors and holistic killed practitioner is used
rather widely. I saw that thetest was based on a response of consciousness.

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It was impersonal, and that ledto the research which allowed me to
calibrate the levels of kindiousness possible tomankind from one to a thousand, and
we found that anything on that scalethat calibrates two hundred or over was true,
and anything under two hundred was false, and that that which is over

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two hundred represented power, and thatwhich is under two hundred, which is
detrimental to life, represents fourth.So that was a staggering discovery that put
the fact that you could go anywherein time and calibrate anything. So I

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just define mean what you mean bypower as opposed to powering over you mean
sort of self impairments or two power. No, their qualities are different.
We might say that power really relatesto an energy which is requires energy.

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Power. In other words, forcegoes from here to there like a gun
bullet bullet shooting goes from here there. Of course, power force then creates
counterforce, so that one cannot reallyaccomplish great things in the world by force.
Power is more like gravity. Gravitydoesn't go from here to there.

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Gravity gives out energy sustains everything withinits field. So power is more like
a field and force is more likeuh, physicality within the field. But
the real power is coming from thefield. So when is when it is
resistance that force? Well, spiritualityhas to do with context, which is

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the field, and uh, theego has to do with more force emotional
for us, which is the content. So it led to the realization that
the reason man can never arrive atwhat is truth or how do you know

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truth is because he didn't realize thedifference between context and content and spiritually speaking,
the ultimate context is God and inthe average experienced content is a human
ego. So that was you know, like redefining what is the problem?

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Yeah, how did it come toset up value for things? How did
you get to that level setting avalue for certain levels of power for assert
Yeah? How to get a calibration? Well, we uh, by trial
and error, ended up with anarbitrary scale of one to one thousand.

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It's actually a longer scale, butyou can say, in fact, anybody
can set up their own scale,evens up your own scale from one to
one hundred or one to a millionor whatever you want. And then you
say, well, if everything inthe universe that ever exists is, you
know, goes from one to onethousand, then where is the statue of

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liberty over one hundred, two hundred, three hundred, four hundred. And
then suddenly you go you get adefinition we can it's just stroll the muscle
testing, the kinciology muscle testing whereyou are stay strong or goes down?
Right? Yeah, So what wemainly said was if everything goes from one
to one thousand, is what numberis true? And we got two hundred.

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So on the published Map of Consciousness, two hundred is the level of
honesty and integrity. Honesty, integrity, critical critical balance point. Above it,
everything makes you go strong. Belowthat, everything should go weak.
Now, so from that point,once you define the number, you've then

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testing everything to see what factors inon the relatives point to the scale and
using canilogy. So here, howdoes it factory? Like? If you
know what you're testing, I thinkyou should actually describe how canology works first
before I ask that question, howdoes that work? Well? The way
it's generally used throughout the world iswith two people. Some people can do

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it by themselves, by making thecircle of their middle finger in their and
their thumb and holding that circle andusing their left hand making a hook of
their forefinger, try and break thatcircle. When you hold something in mind
is positive, the whole musculature ofthe body goes strong. The acupuncture system

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instantly recognizes truth, and you gostrong. When confronted with falsity, which
like an amba backs away from poison, the body instantly goes weak. Now
this weakness is transitory, very quickresponse, and the acupuncture system quickly rebalances

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itself. So to do the test, or what we do is two people.
I use I ask the questions,and my wife will hold her right
arm out parallel to the ground,and I pressed down with two fingers on
her on the wrist of her extendedarm, and I tell her resists.

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Okay. So the way I'll doit is, I'll say this radio program
is integers resist, and if itfigures, the person stays strong. If
they're not integraans, she goes weak. Can we cancel it and tell them
we can't talk to them? Sodid you have to ask? Yeah?

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Actually, the calibration comes considerably fromintention. So we found to get accurate
results. The two people doing thetests themselves have to be integrass. Their
personal level of consciousness has to calibratetwo hundred or over. Well, see
that was going to be my nextquestion is how does that factor in what

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they want the answer to be?Yeah, okay, So they both have
to be over two hundred, andthe intention of the question, the question
itself has to be integrist. Soyou can't use it to make money on
the stock market, because that intentionwould be coming from the solar plexus,

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gain profit money, et cetera.So one has to have a certain purity
of intention. In another words,you're asking the question for the purpose of
knowing the truth. So we discoveredthat the personal beliefs of the people doing

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the tests have nothing to do withthe response. That the response is impersonal
with This can be proven in acouple of ways. One is you don't
have to tell the the second personwhat you're holding in mind, and I
often do it that way. I'llsay what I'm holding in mind is over

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two hundred, and her arm goesstrong. It's over three hundred arms,
so strong, four hundred arms goesstrong, or four yarm goes strong,
four fifty she goes down. Sowhat I'm calibrating is probably around four forty
five, you know, maybe abook title, so they don't have to

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know what it is. No,so you know, the other person doesn't
even have to know what it is. Also, the answer you get maybe
quite contrary to what you believe.And so I always say, don't do
the test unless you're willing to acceptwhatever that answer might be, which means
you out to be you have tobe dedicated to knowing the truth rather than

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affirming some positionality. Definitely not beingattached to the outcome. Yeah, in
other words, say you have tobe more devoted to truth. In other
words, you have to be devotedmore to God than you do to the
ego, because the ego has positionalities. You know, a lot of people
write me letters and they say,please calibrate this, that or the other

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thing. And they don't really wantto know that. All they want me
to do is confirm some prejudice theyhave in their own mind. It's some
spiritual feature off in some remote area. Is the savior of mankind is something?
And I don't want to tell themthat the only calibrates one hundred and
eighty. Do you get a lotof calls like that. Do you get

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a lot of mail like that.We try to discourage it, but we
get rid of it, hire pilesof books and prepositions and favors chad stories.
What we do is we teach thepeople how to get arrive at the
answer themselves, and if they're unableto do it themselves, we give them
a lot of references to people whodo do it and know how to do

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it. On the internet, forinstance, inner kinesiology, there's many references.
You know, the original work wasdone by doctor John Diamond, who
wrote a book called Your Body Doesn'tLie, later put out also as Behavioral
Kinesiology, and there's the American Collegeof Kinesiology. So I tell people,

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if you really want to know,go to kinesiology on the internet and study
it and know that way you candiscern yourself. I am putting out a
book which I'm working on now,a thousand calibrations of it'll include most of
the questions that people ask. SoI tell them, well, in a

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year, that'll be covered in abook you our Okay, okay, when's
that coming up? Oh that'll takeme a good year. Yet, thousand
calibrations, I mean we've probably donesix seven hundred already by the time we
wrote the book. I we've donethree hundred and ten thousand calibrations. Oh,
he smokes. And what was thefocus? I haven't read that one

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yet. What was the focus ofthe book Eye was that the recent really
strength of the trilogy, Power VersusForrest, introduces the subject, and that
book calibrates I think about eight fiftym. Then we took the subject further
in the book, the second bookof the trilogy called the Eye of the

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Eye, meaning really spiritual discernment andgoing to a higher level of consciousness and
the completion of the trip from theevolution of mankind you might say, the
evolution of consciousness since this occurrence onthis planet up for the present time and

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up to its highest evolutions the GreatAvatar as Christ Jesus go to. So
the third book completes the evolution allthe way to the maximum possibility of enlightenment
in its highest expression. So it'sreally for the serious spiritual seeker. Book
one kills the wide number of people. Book two is more for the spirituality

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seeker, and Book three is fora person really who is dedicated to reaching
enlightenment. So what number do youcalibrate at don't calibrate myself? Have any
even done that for you? Oh? God? They always do that.
Any idea where you're at? Roughly, the book always reflects the writer's level

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of consciousness, So the calibration thebook tells you what the level of that
consciousness is. In the book,was I think I the eye was?
No, let's see Harvorsus Forrest isa fifty. I had the eye with
nine seventy and I in ninety ninepoints. Oh I, well that is

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high. When you tested our show, I'm curious. I'm curious when you
tested our show? What? Neveryou got there when I did? What?
When you tested our radio show?Oh I do? We just ask
if they're integris or not? Okay, usually in the four hundreds, because

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an interview show has to be doneby somebody intellectually aware, capable, so
it's usually you're almost always in thefour hundreds. You know, yes,
one would hope anyway, Well,that's the level of America. So to
have a radio show, you haveto be pretty much on the level of

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the listener of the America calibrates atfour point thirty one right now. I
think Canada calibrations about the same.Where does George Bush calibrate at well?
The opposite of the presidency the UnitedStates calibrates consistently four point fifty to four
sixty has for one hundred years.The great spiritual leaders of the world usually

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calibrate in the five high five hundreds. The pope and what's the head of
the Tibetan Buddhism's a world famous DalaiLama. They calibrate a high five hundreds.
They don't go over into six hundredbecause at six hundred is what happens

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does You become pretty mobilized. There'sonly an infinite president of love. And
like I was in the snowbank,you're personal self. The function in the
world is not real. Only thepresence of God is the sole reality about
which nothing can be said. Youcan there's nothing to say about it.

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It's give me thirty years. Thethirty years I never said anything about it.
What can you say? That's somebodyon the shoulders. You walk down
the street and say, hey,guess what, yeah, I mean,
times have changed now, Christ,But it wasn't like this then, you
know, where it was people whowere quite open about things now, but
seemingly anyway at least in certain circles. I still kind of took on your

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last comment there about so that thecountry, the overall country in which Uniting
is calibrating at about four hundred.North America calibrates around four thirty one,
which is extremely u I mean,that's a very intigious level and just a
lot higher than I thought it wasgoing to be. Well, only eight

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percent of the world ever reaches thefour hundreds, so it is extremely high.
You know, whole continents calibrated likeninety with the amount of violence going
on and stuff. You know,that's what's supermission means. But what's the
amount of violence and you know,evans and killing and you know, violent
programming. And I would have thoughtthat were taking us down if you not

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just five hundred. You know.So the four hundreds is the world of
reason, the intellect, law,ethics, university, college education, and
then about four percent of the population, which is a calibrated level of five

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hundred, which is love. Sothe five hundred really indicates the inversions of
love is a dominating factor. Andon that level, love means a way
of being in the world. It'snot an emotion like in love. It's

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not between two people. It's whatyou have become. And by the consciousness
level of five hundred and forty isreached only by zero point four percent of
the world's population, and that isthat's a level of unconditional love. Unconditional

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love means as a person assassinates you, you bless them and say thank you,
brother. Yeah, yeah, totallaw allowing there. That's a big
yeah. And then at six hundred, as I say, that's the traditional
level of true enlightenment. Most peopledon't function in the world after that from

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a massic majority at six hundred becomessilent and you don't have to stay with
your body. By the way,at six hundred is quite have permission.
There's a standing permission to leave thebody, and no obligation at all to
either leave it or not leave it, and the power to choose at there

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is anybody to choose the choosing.This seems to be operating of its own,
perhaps some chromic momentum about whether you'regoing to regret yourself and you know,
continue with the body or not.I remember being in that state one
time which that state recurred, andhe was in the presence of someone else,

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and I realized that if I didn'treactivate the body. He would think
I died, that was my father. And then how I saw he would
grieve because he believes in death.Well in those states you realize no death
is possible. But he would grieve, and so I breathed again. Wow,

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how was we then? Oh?Teenage? So no one else knew
what you were going to when thosethat agent there was no one to describe
it to. Near death experiences werenever heard of. The only spiritual literature
I knew of where there was religiousin nature the experiences of the saints.

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Uh. Anyway, it was.It totally transformed the personality. It was
never the same after that. Whatother people think seriously seemed always to me
as a joke. Well, soyou didn't get you found, you didn't
get caught up in the drama ofthe surface level of things. Well,

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after some years there is the capacityto muh re energize what I guess young
called the persona. The personality,which is not yourself, interacts with the

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world, but it does so spontaneously, just like your body does that.
Your body functions spontaneously after that,and you just witness it, and so
does the what the world would callpersonality. The interaction with the world,
the capacity to verbalize, so tore enter the world. It's not easy,

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and to this day it takes energyto enter into the world of form,
language and verbalization, logic and allthat. But one becomes a depth
with it. It's like focusing one'senergy without instead of allowing it to be

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just within you, although sometimes itgoes within and I don't know what you're
talking a lot, frankly, canI go into a different sta some kind
of nonsense anyway, But I noticedthe personality. One style it has is
it's endlessly humorous, and the humorcomes up of its own. No,

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I don't think of jokes or anythinglike that. Just the most amazingly funny
things come through, and it's justthe way of being in the world.
I definitely convinced that God has asense of humor. It's the irrepressible,
uh sense of humor, and itsees paradox all the time. That's why

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I sell it laughing, because theparadox between the real and the imaginary,
which the world calls you on.Some people will say, well, don't
much once you worry about war andall that. Well, because from my
position, life and death are allthe same serial to me, So what

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is your perspective of that right now? Very strange? You understand what I'm
saying that life and dead they're allthe same. If you have money,
you don't have money. Whether thebody survives or doesn't survive, it's not
comprehensible to ordinary consciousness. It's notsort of somewhat add like I said,
master is sort of you know,has the same attitude. Whether the body

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continues or not, is really yourliver elevent Why because the body is not
who you are, and the bodyis obviously a product of this world,
you know, it's just a partof the evolution of the animal kingdom.
And so it's sort of like apet instead of being me. It's a

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pet. You know. Everywhere Igo, this body follows around. So
I've got used to it all theseyears looking at it, you know,
and we have a lot of conversationslike this on this show, you know.
But I mean, it's the sortof put me frames it in an
interesting way. We should actually giveout a website. We've got a link
on our site. Actually, peoplecan actually find your books on our site

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and website and all that. Butdo you have a particular one that you
want to give out any contact information. Oh, well, there is one
that has what people are looking for. It's called www dot veritas v like
a Victor E. R I TA S pub dot com ww period Aritas

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pub dot com. Okay, sothey can get more information about your latest
work there everything. Yeah, perfect. I don't know how to work at
computer, but that's what it is. Well, that's what I wanted to
ask you to you is what isyour perspective of what's going on with you
know this more on terrorism and globalsort of upheaval. Well, I am,

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in fact give the electorate on justcoming some on the spirituality and one's
relationship to the world and the worldyou know as it is hitting the headlines
right now. Has to do withwar and peace, etc. And what
are the sources of war and peace? Well, my understanding of that is

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somewhat different. Peace is then actualcondition when falsehood is removed. Therefore,
war is the consequence of falsehood.So the elimination of war then is by
the elimination of falsehood. To beable to eliminate falsehood, you have to

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be able to tell troops from falsehood, which mankind has never been able to
do. The consciousness level of mankindstood at ninety all these centuries, the
last thousand years, so, whichis below truth because truth is at two
hundred. Then in the light latenineteen eighties, for unexplained reasons, the

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consciousness level of mankind as a wholewent from one ninety to two o seven.
Well, two o seven is atotally different ballgame from one ninety.
At level one ninety, greed andvictory over the others, and all these
kinds of things are excused. Andwhen I grew up, you know,

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you're supposed to be a success.Business was not constrained by ethics. You
know, they say, well,business is business, and I outright dishonesty.
I can remember I was interviewed fora job where I was supposed to
sell something that I could see wouldbe, you know, non intigorous,

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and the sales supervisors said to me, well, look, if you don't
get their money, somebody else will. Well at one endy that makes sense.
Then that two o seven, yousay, you begin to realize that,
you know, you're answerable for nonintegrity, and it's no longer acceptable.

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So the world now is going throughconvulsions become because coming from one ninety
to two oh seven upsets everything,upsets everything. So you could look at
the totality of mankind as though itwere one person, and you might say

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war is like an appendix is aboutthe rupture, So it's a bit of
a purification cleaning him. Well,I got that Bush's intention was to take
out the appendix before it ruptures andgets worse. That's what I got was
his conscious intention, which he issort of the stated many times he said,

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I took an oath of office withmy hand on the Bible to protect
the lives of the citizens, andit is my duty to carry that out.
So I would guess within his ownunderstanding of integrity, he is doing
what he considers to be intigerous.But that's what he attested, that that's

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what he believes anyway, Yeah,I think that's what he does. So
in other words, a person's intigerousif they state what their position is and
then live to live up to thatposition. You know what I'm saying.
It's just like Caliban, I guess, is intigerous if they think, you

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know, Americans are the great Satansand then killing them is integerous. So
that's their view of integrity. It'sdifferent than mine. I'm glad I wasn't
in the trade center when they carrythat out. Yeah to getting back to
their relatives, thinking right, well, you see, mankind and basically is

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innocent because first of all, hehas no way of knowing truth from falsehood.
Secondly, the human consciousness is likethe hardware of a computer, and
in society programs it like the software. Well, you know, the hardware
of a computer cannot defend itself againstwhat you put into it, So you

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can convince people that anything is thetruth. And in World War two,
Gables demonstrated that he had the scienceof propaganda down and his Jesus was,
if you repeat a lie often enough, everyone will come to believe it,
no matter how outrageous it is.And he was quite successful at that.

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He brought up a whole generation ofGermans will worship not God but Adolf Fiddler
as the fearer and willing they gaveup their lives, and of course that
falsity costs forty million people dead.Pot Pol caused another twenty million dead Stalin
caused another fifty million deads. Imposedly, in the last century, one hundred

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million people died due to falsity,good falsity as the soul underlying disease.
Yeah, so again it comes backto purity of intention then, But like
it was intention, it was hisintention. His intention was that of the

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psychopath, which in which the megalomaniaof the grandiosity of the dictator is what
the world is so ignorant ITAs itcan't even recognize it. They think it's
a leader when it's obviously a megalomaniac. They will happily kill the whole populace.
In fact, say that they deservedit, you know, they wanted
to just destroy the German people.They didn't deserve to live. They'd lost

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the war, So the degree ofmegalomania. Don't forget. I was a
psychiatrist for fifty years, and veryfew people other than experienced psychiatrists really realized
that what the serious psychopathology of themegalomaniac. They'll sign a treaty one day
and as you walk out the door, they're already laughing at you. You

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can go back in history and saywhen Neville Chamberlain signed the peace agreement with
Adolph Hitler prior to World War Two, what was Hittler's response when he walked
out the door was that of scornbut an idiot. He really doesn't think

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I'm going to go along with thistreaty. How stupid can you be?
You know? So the naivete Ithink of decent people is that we expect
other people are going to play bythe Marquis of Queensbury rules. They have
no intention. They are street fightersand hitting you below the bells is exactly

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what they intend to do. Sothey we tend to project our own personality
on other cultures and presume they're likeus. They are not like us at
all, not the same values.Even the value of life itself is not
valued in many societies, and evenvalue being alive. Well, if you

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don't value being alive, can youexpect such people? You know? And
this is part of what's what yousee at play now with the comfort comfort
Right now you see the megalomania again, although it's what you see is an
appendix that's been neglected to see andfinally assessors and then the world has to

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react and the balance of power shiftsaround. Well, the world's been in
war throughout all the recorded time.There's no time in you and history when
there wasn't a war going on.In fact, at this time, people
think Iraq is the only war.The Rock is not the only war.
There's been half a dozen other warsgoing on for twenty years. In the
media, it just doesn't catch theglamour of this war, this wars where

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glamorous war is the glamorous. InAfrica, there's civil wars have been going
on for twenty years with savagery thatmakes Sadam was saying, they look like
a boy scout. They butcher eachother and cut each other's legs off,
and disembowel each other and take theirbrains out while they're still alive. I
mean, that's routine in Rwanda again, places like that. The UN just

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doesn't pay any attention to that becauseit doesn't make headlines. It doesn't make
headlines and there's no big money involvedin it. If all those people in
those African nations had great wealth,oh then everybody, the UN and everybody
be all over it. They're poorcountry. Civil cares, they kill each
other. The civil war isn't goingover twenty years there. They massacred the

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other day and then around the club, nobody cares. Have you think worked
at what the calibrations of the mainstreammedia. Yeah, it's in the three
hundreds. That high. Huh.Yeah, well it is not all the
media, But what about news ingeneral, if it's up around four hundred

(39:22):
or so, But the main mediais in the three hundreds, NBC News,
CBS News, all those, youknow, So that's above two hundred.
That's integrius. It's not highly intelligent. Highly intelligent would be in the
four hundreds. So what they considera balanced view is offered quite skewed.

(39:44):
Yeah. Well, you know,one thing you've noticed with questions and interaction
with our so since particularly since nineeleven and since you know, the warrantarism
and all that stuff, is people'strust level. Because they're awakening more and
questioning more. Their trust level ofa lot of things seems to be questioning,
you know, everything, and weget a lot of questions about,

(40:07):
you know, whether to trust theofficial story, whether to trust any mainstream
media coverage, and where the informationis really coming from. They're questioning everything
basically, which I guess it's greatin the sense of waking up. So
what would you take beyond that?Yes, yes, I think the effect
of this war is everyone on theplanet more or less re examining their own

(40:30):
view of ethics, morality, responsibility. What is the difference between nationalism and
patriotism. I think everybody's sort ofre examining their values is like a confrontation,
a moral confrontation, and therefore itcertainly has a certain therapeutic value.

(40:52):
I mean, crisis all us forcespeople to re examine their values and goals,
the meaning of life and what they'rewilling to die for, if anything,
or what they're willing to have otherpeople die for. Usually. Yeah,
I remember one woman, you know, I'm being interviewed on television and
she comes out of some revolutionary cause. You know, a lot of people

(41:14):
died, and so the commentators saidto her, well, what about all
the people that died? She said, well, some people have you know,
that's just the price of the cause, because she meant her cause.
That's because that she was championing.Whether all the people who died wanted to

(41:35):
die for her causes? Another question? You know, so how do people
take this in se like, what'sthe first step for people listening as far
as applying this application powers this forceinto their lives to be aware that number
one, the human mind is incapableof telling truth from falsehood. That first
of all, is a conference tothe ego, because everybody's ego thinks they

(41:58):
can tell truth and falsehood. However, when you calibrate the people on this
planet, you find that only twentypercent of the people are above two hundred.
Eighty percent of the people on theplanet calibrate below two hundred, which
is below the level of integrity,meaning they are run by desire, fear,
loss, greed, get even thisbeing right winning. It's really the

(42:22):
minority of the people on the planetthat holds the humanity together. And of
course the reason they do is becausethey're so far more powerful. So when
you calibrate these energies, you're calibratinglevels of power. People at the bottom
are very destructive and more numerous thanpeople at the top. But the people

(42:46):
at the top have more power inthat their consciousness tends to dominate the field.
So people who are dedicated to peace, sincerity, and passion, love
charity, they radiate into the worldan energy field which counterbalances thousands of people

(43:08):
who are thinking negative thoughts. Thenegative thoughts are weak, they're weak by
comparison, So all you need isone field of gravity to hold the whole
universe together, so those elements ofsociety which have hold truth then tend to

(43:30):
counterbalance so that the world doesn't disappearinto self destruction. You know, we're
close to it. Any The Russianshad a great superbomb design which if they
lost the war with the United States, would destroy all life on Earth.
And they're actually into this super nuclearbomb. Intelligent that when you look at

(43:57):
the degree to which the human mindis prone to me madness, you know
the way, you know right nowon the other side of the world are
people who believe that, you know, the suicide bombers that you know,
you go to heaven if you blowup a bustle to thirty children on the
way to school. I mean,that's madness. Is such an extreme degree,

(44:20):
extreme degree, I mean really extreme, and the thousands of people can
actually believe that. It is frighteningthat that is the truth. It's frightening
to think that a boy. Theway is, we can't evolve to hir
level just because we calibrate now todayat a certain level, we can evolve
to a higher level. Yes,good, But we're extremely fortunate, we're
extremely rare and to be able toreason, to look at logic and truth

(44:45):
and examine what is truth is reallyquite a rare gift. And so people
who are more conscious and aware anddedicate the spiritual principles, you know,
are really quite rare numerically speaking inthe America. But their power on the
pilot is quite quite enormous. Sotrue power much stronger than force some ground

(45:08):
as our awareness goes out with that, right, that's the evolution of consciousness
and the spiritually urented person, theirconsciousness is moving faster than the rest of
the human race. So they're oftenat some disparity with the way the populace
and they view something because they're movingahead, and their goal is not worldly

(45:31):
gain but internal realization of the truth, and so their goals are somewhat their
disparity the world is primarily interest inbeing right and winning. Those the only
two things I really care about.Win and be right. Well, we
have our work cut out for us, but I thank you for joining us

(45:52):
today. It's has been a veryenlightening hour and I hope we can do
it again. I'd love to talkto you when your next book comes out.
Okay, thank you so much,Florrie, Thank you, doctor Hankins.
Right, Okay, ye. Well, may I say that I have
heard this before and the chair roomis reminding me of this, but that

(46:14):
you're considered the Oprah of the Internetairway, I would say, so,
you're bringing so much information and yourown angel network. Like Oprah has her
angel like network, here's his spiritualnetwork and it's powerful. Hey, this
is Dave Morehause and you're listening tonews for the soul. I know.
Co I just think you're awesome.I love your show, but I just

(46:34):
want to do this. You knowthat you're great, and thank you for
your show, thank you for yourlove, thank you for all the people
that you have on bike. I'vejust been in for all that I've listened
to. You know so much inthe artc I have turned so many people
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support you in your endeavors. Cole, it's cursing Angel. Cole. Congratulations
you're back on the air. I'vejust listened to the Jay Z interview.
A First of all, I've justgot to absolutely compliment you on giving one
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(47:22):
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he was the information. She absolutelyblew me away. I mean, unbelievable,
freaky, but we're going there.You know that we're all going there
ago and I was somewhere on yourwebsite. By the way, it's changed
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for me, as we talked aboutlast time. We're in this window,

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as you know, between now intwenty twelve, which gives us just a
little bit more than six years,I go off on my grand adventures to
study with the ancients and to studythe mystery schools, and to have altered
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demands of the outside world. Now, all this is getting complicated except for
the fact that a human is madein the image of a cell. And
why that's interesting because then from thatparallel story, I would have to say,
well, then the skin of thehuman is the brain, and in
fact it is, and that's froman embryology point of view, that the

(53:29):
human brain is derived from the skin. So I'm going through these thick woods
and after walking about one hundred yardsor so, I saw it. I
saw the big blackbird justice in mydream. And you know I'm not exaggerating.
This bird is four feet tall.Well, I saw pictures of that
at your event, right, that'sthe bird you're talking about. Yeah,

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was called at that time, wantingto understand these phenomena such a Hello,
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(58:38):
and I think we've got doctor JefferLong on the line. Now, as
we mentioned before going to break,we're talking about near death experiences on News
for the Soul. Now, doctorLong has done extensive research. You can
find him online at n D Er F dot org. And let's welcome
him on and start the adventure.Dtr Long, Welcome to news for this

(59:00):
all. What's my pleasure to behere? We've got lots to talk about.
Believe me, we do well.This is one of our favorite topics
here because of course it's one ofthe most fear generating topic, you know,
for the mainstream kind of world.And you've done a lot of research
as far as what happens potentially afterwe die. So I want to start

(59:22):
kind of how you got into this. You know, what drew you to
doing this work, this research?Oh? Absolutely, And that's a really
good question here. I am aphysician, and you know from all of
you that have interacted with physicians,we're very evidence based people. We tend
not to believe things that are outsideof reproducible every day you know, somewhat

(59:45):
narrowed reality type of thinking. Andyet here I am as a physician that
is studying extensively near death experience.Well, the way I got started actually
is quite interesting. Many many yearsago, I had an experience that literally
rocked my life. And we couldget into that if we have time.
But it led me to understand thatthere's clearly something going on outside of everyday,

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normal reality. And I understood thatdeep down to the soul at that
point in time. And it wasactually four years later that I understood that
it was a spiritual experience, andso that got me to thinking, what
does that mean? What I meanby a spiritual experience? What is that
greater reality? What can I reallylearn? And so part of that journey,

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part of that search led me todevelop the Near Death Experience Research Foundation,
And so I set up a website. It's INDERF dot org and the
sole purpose of that website was forpeople to share experiences where they nearly died
and had an experience that was dramatic, where they were lucid, that occurred
when they were unconscious, which shouldbe medically inexplicable, and yet happened,

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and I wanted to learn from that. I wanted to I guess if you
could say early on, I wassomewhat selfish. I want to people to
share and basically extend themselves so thatI could learn. And that was over
ten years ago at before time.Can you give us the nutshell version of
what happened to you before you moveforward so we can kind of relate to

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your adventure there. Oh, absolutely, it was one of these dreams that
is absolutely not a dream. Itwas really more of a vision that the
technical term. As I've grown nowafter having thousands of people share their experiences
with me, it was a truevision. It was part of this vision.
I saw a very mystical light thatwas unlike anything that could possibly exist
on earth, and then it's partof that vision. I absolutely died.

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I don't think I died, maybedied possibly in this vision, I understood
that I died, And as Iwas coming back towards earthly reality, he
came to the point where basically thesame sense that I'd had with prior dreams
that came true or that I understoodwere real, happened, but ten hundred

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times more fold than I'd ever experiencebefore. And so I really understood that
this was a real, real experience. And there were some other things that
were highly collaborative to me at thetime. Understand, I'm a very evidence
based physician. I treat cancer.I can't afford to let false hope or
wishful thinking guide my evidence based decisionwhere people's lives literally depend on it.

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And so it was the same soulsearch here. It had to be that
same type of reality, that sametype of profound, deep understanding that this
was real before I would even startthe search, and BOYD believe me,
after that experience, I was readyto start the search. So you put
the website together and started searching justover a decade ago. What kind of

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I mean, how did you startcollecting the story? Well, I was
curious that you know. After aperiod of many, many years, I
came to understood that I understand thatI had a spiritual experience and that there
was something more going on in theuniverse than you could necessarily measure or objectively
quantify by every scientific tool that Ihad been taught my entire life, that

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there was much much going going onin terms of us as beings that I
had ever been taught in medical school. And so as part of me learning
that, I turned to the greatestmentors that I possibly could, that being
people that have actually had near deathexperiences. So in August nineteen ninety eight,
I set up the Near Death ExperienceResearch Foundation on NDERF and that was

(01:03:27):
the beginning of the journey. Andwhy did you start finding out? Well,
I was open minded. I've always, thank goodness, tended to be
open minded and say be very evidencebased. So the evidence had to lead
me to my conclusions that I havetoday, and the evidence that I was
relying on were people sharing those mostexceptional experiences that they'd ever had in their

(01:03:52):
life. Near death experiences. Ididn't know what I would find when I
first put up the website. Infact, it actually wasn't Although I started
in August nineteen ninety eight with awebsite, it wasn't until December nineteen ninety
eight that I could download our firstbatch of twenty two people that miraculously had
found my website even though it wasnot highly ranked in the search engines at

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that time, and downloaded it andsaid, well, teach me, show
me what you have seen, sharewhat you've seen through your own eyes with
what you can share with me inwords, and I was blown away.
I was absolutely astounded. There wasno doubt immediately after reading even less than
the first two dozen people that evershared with me, that clearly something can
happen at the time of death.You can have even while unconscious, even

(01:04:36):
while clinically death, you can havethese types of highly lucid organized experiences.
And I was astounded, intrigued.Even back in nineteen ninety eight, there
seemed to be an amazing pattern tothese experiences. I was astonished and I
wanted to learn more, so Iencouraged people to continue sharing on the website.

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And now today one thousand six hundrepeople have shared near death experiences and
I've learned, shall we say,one heck of a lot more so.
I mean, I'm trying to kindof go back in time a little bit
as you're talking, because you know, these were Now it's sort of become
a stereotypical image of you know,leaving the body and going down the tone

(01:05:18):
of light and the life review andall that stuff from the being of light
at the end of it. Youknow, is this sort of still the
typical vision that happens most times?Well, you know, I have to
admit something. Here's a true confession. I also had that stereotypical view of
near death experience when I started researchingthis. I'd read Raymond Moody and some

(01:05:39):
of the other very early works aboutnear death experience, and there's sort of
a media model about near death experiencethat's really pretty much exactly as you just
described. As listeners, you havethat out of body experience, to see
your body often not breathing, oftenwithout a heartbeat. You go through the
tunnel. You may have intensely positivefeelings or that mystical light at the end

(01:06:00):
of the tunnel. You may encounterdeceased relatives, you may have a life
review. Very often there's that borderor seeming end of the experience where a
decision has to be made about returningto Earth or not. And interestingly,
most people don't run a return atthat point in time because they really understand
they're in a place far better thanEarth. And yet for a variety of

(01:06:20):
reasons, people do return to Earth, and then some of them tell their
tale with this. And so eventhough you say there's a stereotypical or a
preconceived model of the near death experience, let me assure you and your listeners
that there are no two near deathexperiences that have ever encountered out of over
a thousand that are absolutely the same. Every two near death experiences are absolutely

(01:06:45):
different. And yet throughout by thetime you review that many near death experiences,
I have that type of consistency,that type of pattern is overwhelmingly clear.
There's no doubt that that's a partof the pattern. Even if no
two near death experiences are the same. Interesting, I don't know if you
were aware of it. For thefirst two years of news for this little
radio, my co host was DanielBrinkley, so of course I had picked

(01:07:09):
his brain extensively on the issue wheneverI could. Well, I've met him
personally, he's a he's a heckof a great guy. I used to
call him famous dead guy. Yedead guy times two. He died twice,
as you know, and yeah,so, but he definitely had that

(01:07:30):
sort of you know, pattern happeningin his So what oeditive things have you
found over the years then that don'tfit that pattern? Well again, you
know, since no two near deathexperiences are the same, we've we found
a whole lot about this, youknow. I guess what's more impressive is
to me is that there really isa pattern. I mean, when you

(01:07:51):
when your heart stops beating when youclinically die. Of course, once your
heart stops beating, immediately blood flowstops flowing to your brain, obviously,
but a number of researchers have studiedelectro andcephalogram measurements of brain activity, that's
brain electrical activity, and very clearlyand consistently across multiple studies, ten to

(01:08:15):
fifteen seconds after your heart stops beating, you do not have any brain electrical
activity. So therefore, at thatpoint in time, it is absolutely impossible
to have a conscious, lucid,organized experience. You cannot have a memory
at that point in time. Itis the way we understand medicine, the
way I was taught medicine. Itis medically inexplicable. And yet that is

(01:08:36):
the time that people have near deathexperiences. That's the time they're in that
out of body phase, they seetheir resuscitation efforts. We've had Oh gosh,
if I had a nickel for everynear death experience, or that described
a flat EKG measurement of their heartactivity, over and over and over.
So there's no question that that's thetime that it really happens. This should

(01:08:57):
be impossible, and yet thousands ofthousands of people, In fact that a
Gallup poll published in nineteen eighty twosuggested that about five percent of Americans have
had a near death experience. Somillions of people, and undoubtedly many people
listening to this show to night havehad a near death experience. It should
be absolutely medically inexplicable. There's nomedical explanation at all, and yet without

(01:09:19):
any shadow of a doubt. It'sreally really happening here. As a physician
too, I mean, have youencountered this with patients? You know what's
really interesting is that as a physician, I am very aware. And let
me back up a little bit.I'm physicians all have medical specialties. My
medical specialty is radiation oncology. Iuse radiation to treat cancer. I'm a

(01:09:43):
specialist. Patients that have cancer haveseen other doctors. Almost always, by
the time they see me, theyknow they have cancer. They know that
radiation might have an important role tohelp them potentially even cure their life.
So that's all been the conversation orunderstanding patients have when they come and see
They're really not there to say,oh, doctor Long, let me tell
you about this near death experience Ihad. You really have to draw that

(01:10:06):
out from them. In fact,I've been doing this for so many years
and been on so many media events, including but not limited to, ABC
News with Peter Jennings, Fox News, The Learning Channel, on and on
and on, and innumerable radio showssuch as this one. So probably more
often than not, when people areaware that doctor Long has studied near death

(01:10:27):
experience, it's not because I tellthem or because they ask, or because
they feel so moved at the timeof our consultation or physician patient interactions to
share it. It's because they talkto other staff and they say, hey,
you know that doctor Long, he'syou ought to talk to him if
you've had a near death experience,he's interested in that, or much more
commonly, they go to the websiteand say, well, if I'm going

(01:10:48):
to trust my life to this doctorJeffrey Long, who is he? And
then we learn something from him onthe internet. And of course if you
go to the internet, my NearDeath Experience website is so prominent there that
it's very very obvious, very quicklyto anybody that looks up my name that
that's my interest. And so that'sbeen the great majority of patients that share

(01:11:09):
their near death experience kind of hadthat. I wist hate to say permission
because I share you, I givepermission to anybody to share with me,
but they really feel that it's okay, based on awareness of my openness and
acceptance and research and near death experienceto share with me. And that's how
it happens. So putting all thistogether over these years of collecting the research

(01:11:32):
and the stories what is. Maybegive us a couple examples of something that
just really made you know that therewas something huge going on here, that
this was real and absolute. Okay, that's a great question, and I
will tell you my very first neardeath experience I ever encountered as a position.

(01:11:56):
I was back in Iowa City,Iowa, where I did my residency
training, and in the winter timein Iowa. Guess what, there's not
all like of a lot you cando. You go out and throw back
some bruise like a lot of otherpeople do in Iowa City. But I
had some friends visiting from Chicago,and my friend had a wife. I
knew him from college. I wasin my residency training and my medical specialty

(01:12:16):
of radiation oncology, and my friend'swife was there and she was just flipped
off that she had had an allergicreaction while she was undergoing an operation and
coded and died on the operating tableand that was all she said. Well,
I said, huh. She saidthat in such an odd and mystical
and almost questioning manner, and Ididn't get it. So I paused for

(01:12:38):
thirty seconds, and literally my entirefuture research potential laid in limbo as I
thought about whether I would or wouldnot ask that one critical question, I
finally did after about half a minute. I said, and I knew I
would potentially feel stupid about asking this, but I said, ah, you
know, I'm a doctor. Icould blame it on a few bruis,
I threw back. So I askedthe question. Okay, you died on

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the operating room table. They measurethat with heart beats. You know that
you're monitored very carefully. When whenyou say you die, they know they
died. So you died on theoperating room table. Did anything happen after
that? Anything possibly happen? Andyou know, I thought that was stupid.
I mean, you can't. You'reunder general anesthesias. You can have

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no memory during that time, right, and you have a cardiac arrest.
Remember I said, in ten tofifteen seconds, your electro ow and cephalogram
goes flat and you can't have amemory, right, So you have two
independently functioning reasons why she could notpossibly have had an organized memory of what
happened next. But I asked,and that was the most significant, profound,

(01:13:44):
and meaningful question potentially I've ever askedin my life, and she said
immediately after asking it, why,Yes, I do have a memory.
I do have a recollection. Shehad what's very typical of near death experiences,
a very even though she had absolutelyno possible reason medically for her to
have an organized memory at the time, she believed me she did. She

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had an out of classic, outof body experience. She saw the frantic
resuscitation efforts going on. Now,her near death experience was amazing in the
fact that her consciousness drifted from thatpoint out of body, outside of the
operating room into the nursing area whereshe had been an impatient at at the
hospital, and from that vantage pointshe could see and hear what the nurses

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were saying at the time she wasclinically dead under general anesthesia and being resuscitated
far away in an operating room.And if that doesn't bother your mind,
it should. And she was right, I mean, she later confirmed everything
she saw. And you know,I've heard a lot of stories like that
where people went into other rooms there'sconfirmed things that they couldn't have known,

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you know, that were going onwhile they were out. We've heard a
lot of those stories. So that'scertainly including from Danian. Yeah, I
mean, you know, everybody needsto take a step back and say,
even though you've heard those stories,take a staff back and understand that that
is absolutely I mean, impossible isan overused word. But if you're under

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general anesthesia, if you have noblood flowing to your brain, to have
a highly organized conscious experience with yourconsciousness is outside and far removed from that
area. And furthermore, if yourobservations are absolutely later proven to be correct,
that is impossible. And that's exactlywhat I heard on my first near
death experience. That's what I heardrelated to me, And I said,

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you know, and then then shewent through the tunnel and had a life
review, and you know, metall sorts of deceased relatives and very very
intensely positive, pleasant emotions as typicalas near death experiences. And I said,
this is incredible. I said,if that is true, if upon
hearing my first near death experience,hearing what undoubtedly your listeners have heard in

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the past on this show, ifthat's really true, then that really changes
my view of the universe. Andthat's what led to me developing my Near
death Experience website and learning more aboutit and basically trying to nail down.
Is this true or is this not? And that's been my journey for the
last ten years. Well, that'sthe thing, and it has to change
your view of the universe if youknow, if that many people are having

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come you know, things that youcan confirm and back up, and you
know, compare with scientific data.I mean, what about all of these
theories that they throw at you asfar as what might be causing these you
know, so called near death things. I mean they call them hallucinations or
dream state things or you know.Okay, well, but I don't I

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hesitate to interrupt, but you mentionedtoo word hallucinations and dreams, and I
want to review to the extent wehave time, every possible alternative explanation for
near death experience that you can possiblycome up with. Let's start with those
two hallucinations. Medically speaking, hallucinationis an unreal perceptual experience, which the

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bottom line is, has no basisin reality. I've talked to innumerable patients
that have had hallucinations under a varietyof circumstances, due to lack of oxygen,
due to drug experiences, due topsychotic separations. What is extremely clear
to me and every other researcher,and there's been a whole bunch that have

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looked at this is that, Andeven at this point in time, even
the most stern and rigid skeptics ofnear death experiences, none of them,
including myself or anybody else, believesthat near death experiences are hallucinations. Clearly,
clearly, there's something going on thatis absolutely apart from what we medically
consider to be a hallucination. Icould talk for literally an hour on that.

(01:17:45):
I won't drop your ears off.You want to keep your ears on,
so to your listeners. So let'strust me on this that no skeptic
that exists in the world today thinksthat near death experiences are hallucinations. What
about dreams? You've had dreams,I've had dreams. Every one of your
listeners has probably had a dream wherethey had some type of a remarkable,

(01:18:08):
dramatic experience. They may have feltthey were in a different world, I
mean, mammothly different from everyday earthlyreality. Why aren't near death experiences dreams?
How do I know? Well,let me tell you the very first
survey, when I put it upon the website to study near death experiences,
I asked the very open ended question, was your experience dream like in

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any way? And I deliberately wordedit that way because I wanted people to
say, yes, it was dreamlike, if it was dream like in
any way, And that's actually biasedthe way I worded the question for people
to say, if it was dreamlikein even a microcosm of fraction, a
minute shift, part of the experiencethat was dream like. I wanted to

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hear about it, and do youknow why I'm no longer answering that question?
Do you want to know? Asthe feedback I got from that was
overwhelming. Virtually everybody that answered thatsaid not only no, but hell no.
It's like, don't you understand,don't you get it? I mean,
this wasn't even close to being dreamlike. I mean virtually everybody's had dreams.

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So people that have had near deathexperiences that shared on the website,
virtually all of them have had dreams, and they know the difference. They
can compare and contrast them. Ifthey were at all similar in any way,
I would expect to see some significantpercentage of positive answers. Affirmative answers.
There were none, essentially none.Virtually everybody said no, no way,
there is no resemblance at all.And so the bottom line is our

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work, consistent with the work ofmultiple other researchers, is absolutely clear.
And in fact, I might add, even the sternest, most unreasonable and
hardcore bizarre skeptics of near death experienceno longer think that near death experiences have
anything to do with dreams. Theydon't. People that have had near death
experiences know that. They've told metimes hundreds there is no resemblance between a

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near death experience and a dream,none, absolutely none at all. Well,
also, you were saying, ifthere's no brain activity at the point,
you know what you're talking about,after that point, how could they
be dreaming? Anyway? You know, you raised a really good point,
and I'm glad you brought that up. If you have a flat electro encephalogram,
which is a measure of brain electricalactivity, you can't dream, you

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can't think, you can't have evenfragmented memories, you can't have frightening,
disorganized memories. You've got nothing flatis flat. I mean, you know
we all watch the TV shows andthe movies where electroencephalograms go flat. Well,
that tells you there's no heart activity. This is an order of magnitude
worse, this is no brain electricalactivity. You've got nothing. You have

(01:20:50):
no potential to form even the mostrudimentary, primitive, disorganized thought. There
is no medical explanation for any memorywhatsoever at that point in time. And
yet, as I said, that'swhen people have these conscious remembrances of near
death experiences, the near death experiences, that's when they remember things. That's

(01:21:11):
when they see themselves being resuscitated.That's when they're having these out of body
experiences. And to reiterate my previouspoint, there's absolutely no medical explanation for
a conscious memory at that point intime. And they come back different sometimes,
Oh do they. I'm writing abook chapter on how they come back

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different. You want to hear aboutit? I I'll bet you do.
I'll bet you your listeners do.Hold on to your seat. Because what
happens when you nearly die, whathappens when you visit those heavenly realms?
Why on earth you return? Howdoes that change you? How do you
live life differently? If you knowthat life isn't the endpoint? How do

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you know? How do you livelife if you know that you're not going
to die that death or isn't reallythe end if there's much much more more
to our earthly existence than we everpossibly knew. Well, obviously, that's
been a tremendously significant topic to meand as well as a number of near
death experience researchers. Now, theinteresting thing is we've all come up with
exactly the same conclusions. I don'twant to boast about it will a little

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bit, and that is our onethousand, six hundred near death experiences we've
reviewed nearly doubles or at least duplicatesthe entire prior published near death experience research
known in the history of the world. So you know, I'm not saying
this just based on a small numberof near death experiences. I'm saying this
based on the fact that I havepersonally reviewed, studied, analyzed, and

(01:22:40):
reached conclusions from a mammoth number ofexperiences. And moreover, I've read what
basically anybody else has written about whatwe call near death experience after effects is
written, And here's really the bottomline. It takes near death experiences after
the experience a lot of time toprocess and learn and grow from the experience.

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I mean, take a step back, put yourself in the in the
shoes. Somebody's had a near deathexperience. They nearly died, they came
very very close to death. Imean, they're they're physically recovering, their
body is mending. They're trying todeal with the fact and deal with their
friends, family and loved ones fromnearly dying. And that's a process.

(01:23:21):
It takes a while. It takesa few months, usually to years.
It actually takes on the average,and this is a little bit of a
startling statistic for most people, butit's been pretty well documented. It takes
many years, perhaps as many asan average of seven years, for people
to fully integrate their near death experienceinto their life, to really learn to

(01:23:45):
some substantial degree the lessons that thatexperience has to teach them. So what
exactly are these lessons are? Whatare we talking about? Well, first
and foremost, almost all near deathexperience, there is no longer fear death.
That should be obvious. They experienceddeath, they saw what happened after
death. They're not afraid. Infact, they realized that it was an
enormously positive, pleasant experience. Theyrealized that our time on earth is you

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know, this isn't an endpoint.This is simply a step on our spiritual
journey, that there isn't afterlife,and it's wonderful and in fact, it's
vastly more, vastly more positive thantheir experience on earth. And they understand
that not from faith or not fromhope, but from personal experience, and
so of course virtually none of themfear death, but above and beyond that,

(01:24:31):
they have a very much more positiveattitude toward life. They understand that
their time on earth is meaningful andpurposeful, that we're here for a reason,
that there's lessons to be learned.They're much more positive, and they're
loving relationships. Oh goodness, canI editorialize just a little bit when you
give me permission? Okay, ifyou can find a near death experience or

(01:24:53):
seek them out talk with them,and especially if you can form a relationship
with a near death experience or theytend to be and this is sort of,
you know, not widely known,but they tend to be much more
loving individuals. They've sort of seenthat ultimate love, that ultimate consciousness,
that ultimate expression of what we're allhere for. People that can really relate

(01:25:14):
to near death experiencers at the levelthat they've really learned is important. They
they're much more positive in their relationships. They're much more deep, much more
profound, they value relationships much more. There how can I say this gently?
They're they're great spouses, They're greatsoulmates, They're great people that you
want to know in any aspect ofyour life. They have a lot to

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teach and learn, and they havea lot to share. But there's more
to it than that. I mean, know, above and beyond that near
death experiencers. You know, whileit may be you know, of course
they've they've been through a lot throughtheir near death experience. But yet above
and beyond that, they tend tobe much more positive. They tend to
be much more optimistic. They tendto value life more. They tend to

(01:26:00):
reduce their desire to achieve monetary wealth. Believe it or not, I mean,
and that they slap in the faceof all that we ever learned as
capitalists. But it's true. Isee that over and over and over,
and so do many other near deathexperience researchers. Money isn't the endpoint of
why we are here. It's love, it's loving relationships, it's learning our

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lessons, and that's much much moreimportant than the dollar you make at the
end of the day. That isa profound lesson That substantial majority of near
death experiencers after a while, growto understand and it really changes them.
It changes their values, their perceptions, and very often near death experiences change
the job they have so they canbetter reflect those values. I am saying

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that all of the over one thousandreports that you've brought in from near death
experiences, they're all they all hada positive near death experience. Well,
gosh, over a thousand near deathexperiences. Absolutely not. The first thing
I learned as a near death experienceresearcher is that every time I say always

(01:27:09):
or never, I'm wrong again.There is no absolute about near death experiences.
The experiences people are have are ourlegion. They're varied. By the
time you get to a thousand neardeath experiencers, there's always at one,
two, three, or four percentthat have very different, very unusual experiences.
And well, you've talked to DanielBrinkley, and I suspect you talk

(01:27:30):
to other near death experiencers, soI'll bet you know. What I know
is that a few percent of neardeath experiences can be frightening or even hellish.
Is that where we're headed? Yeah, well, I mean I was
at least having I understand they'd havethat different perspective, whether it was a
positive or negative experience, like theywent somewhere or did something, but geting,

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y'all not fear death or maybe ninetyfive ninety eight percent don't fear death.
I mean, I'll never say,you know, I don't want to
generalize about people because that's wrong,and that's not really true everybody. There's
so many individuals here, and theyhave their own background. Even people that
have such a profound experience as anear death experience, you cannot say one

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hundred percent of these people will goon to have this belief that it just
simply doesn't happen that way. Ican tell you that compared to the population
that has not had a near deathexperience, it's overwhelming how little the near
death experiencers do not fear death,how much they value loving relationships, how
relatively little they value materialism in thisworld we live in, No question about

(01:28:38):
that as being a unmistakable trend,not seen by just me, but actually
by many many researchers before me.But yeah, there's and you know,
we talk about positive near death experiences, we talked about overwhelmingly positive feelings.
In fact, a lot of neardeath experiencers I think Danian was one of
them who said during their experience,they realize that Earth is not their home.

(01:29:00):
I mean, are you all sittingdown and listening to this? That's
startling, isn't it. I mean, a little bit, we live,
we were born here, we livedthrough. This isn't Earth our home.
I mean what what? What?What else could be home? With?
Earth isn't our home? And yetthat's the startling realization, the startling wisdom,
if you will, that near deathexperiences are sharing with me and everybody

(01:29:20):
else in the world that listens tothem, and that is this isn't our
real home. Our real home isthat realm that they existed in, that
where they're living in, that verypositive, that overwhelmingly blissful area. I
mean, the landscapes of beauty beyondanything that exists on this earth, where
all of the people that ever diedbefore them are with them and in full

(01:29:43):
health. That's their home. Andit's not an illusionary home. It is
a real home. It makes ittough on your death experiences to realize that
they're not living in their home righthere, that their home lies beyond that,
their lone home lies, if youwill, in heaven. What about
I mean, how do you comefrom a knowing on that? You know?

(01:30:06):
Like I know, you've you've hada lot of research done over many
years, and there's a lot ofcommon ground, and none of them feel
that it was, you know,a dream kind of saying or whatever,
and it was very real for them. How do you know? Boy,
that's the million dollar question. Okay, are you sitting down? I'm gonna

(01:30:28):
that's a very important question, andI always wish more people would ask me
that you and probably all of yourlisteners are saying, Hey, this is
really interesting. Here's a position.Here's a guy who's listened to over one
thousand near death experiences, and he'snot talking using words hypothesis or possible or
probable. I seem to be usingwords that express a knowing. And you're

(01:30:49):
very intuitive to pick up on that, and very correct. I might add,
I seem to be talking as ifI have a sense that this is
deeper than just simply wishful thinking oror possibilities. And I'll be very glad
to address that. I guess youhave to take a step back and know
me. I mean, you hearme talk like this, it would be
hard for you or others that arelistening to this program to understand that doctor

(01:31:12):
Long is a very evidence based physician. I make my decisions based solely on
evidence. I want to say,I mean, prove me is my mantra.
Prove it to me. Prove tome that that is the way things
are, that that's the way thingsreally exist. And in the event that
you can't or won't prove it tome, I don't believe it. And
so based on that background, whichI have felt and continue to feel to

(01:31:34):
this day, I have looked atthe evidence of near death experience. I
have looked critically at how much canI believe these out of body experiences?
How accurate were there observations in theout of body state? Medically speaking from
my own medical background, how accuratewere their observations of their own resuscitation.
I'll give you a hint. It'snot like what you see on TV.

(01:31:56):
It's different. I've lived in thereal world. I know how it really
goes, and that's what the neardeath experiences describe. Well, what about
when they like the first near deathexperience I experienced. How accurate are their
observations even away from their own physicalbody? How do you know? How
can you verify that? I've gonethrough this hundreds of times? I've made
a formal study of this using thebest scientific methods that I possibly can,

(01:32:19):
and a variety of other aspects ofnear death experience. And so the short
version of this, By the way, I'm writing a book, and you're
one of the first people to hearabout this, or I'm going to go
into this in detail, and Iwouldn't believe just my comments without seeing it
in detail myself either, But believeme what I'm going to document in this
book. We're using the best scientificmethods that I possibly can, scientific methods

(01:32:43):
accepted by any serious, credible scientistsanywhere else in the world. I have
documented, to my own satisfaction andthe satisfaction of I think vast numbers of
other people, the near death experienceis for real, that this stuff really
happens. Consciousness does apparently leave thebody. That what people see here and
use basically all their sensory organs andactually a sixth organ that being intuition.

(01:33:06):
When they're in the out of bodystate is for real. Their life reviews
for real, it's realistic. Occasionallythey see future visions of what we'll be
expected on earth in the future.Hey, Danian did that too, by
the way, and I'm sure youshared that in years gone by. From
the near death experiences I've studied,disappears to be startlingly for real. So

(01:33:28):
the bottom line is near death experienceis for real. You don't have to
take my word, and you don'thave to take it on faith. When
the book comes out in the yeara year and a half, read it,
decide for yourself. Okay, well, we'll have to get back on
the show when that comes out aswell and talk some more about that.
Bet believe me, who do youknow been dead the longest in all of

(01:33:54):
these different studies. Okay, I'mgonna take a step back because as a
position, I've actually had direct communicationswith people that have Oh boy, there
are some well popularized near death experienceswhere people purported that they were dead for

(01:34:14):
over a day. I'm not goingto name names, that I will say
I am skeptical about that. Youfirst and foremost reality, I have talked
directly with physicians who have done researcharticles about people that have been dead,
especially children, for thirty minutes ormore. Predominantly people that are dead thirty
minutes or more and are successfully resuscitatedat least years ago, where children and

(01:34:41):
very often they were drowning accidents inice water. They'd break through ice and
their body was cooled almost immediately frombeing in ice water, and they had
the ability to apparently not be ableto breathe or have their heart stop for
half an hour more and were successfullyresuscitated with minimal or no neurologic damage.
However, there's been some recent effortsat resuscitating people, and it was actually

(01:35:04):
done at the University of Pittsburgh interestingly, and potentially some other centers where more
and more, just within the lastseveral years, they're suscitating people that have
apparently been clinically dead for over thirtyminutes, even adults and not necessarily those
that had their life threatening event asassociated with ice water drowning. Now,

(01:35:25):
what's really really interesting about this isthat we're going to have more and more
of these people have near death experiences. In fact, there was an interesting
TV show and I won't mention thechannel, but they were talking with me
about this near death experiencer who youknow went through these really really truly cutting
edge resuscitation efforts where we're getting peopleturned back and brought back to life,

(01:35:46):
whereas even five years ago it wouldhave been considered impossible. And of course,
more and more of these people aregoing to have near death experiences.
And so, the best I cantell, you're an adult, your chance
of being resuscitated touccessfully after no heartbeatand resportation for thirty minutes very very small,
but not zero, and a lotbetter now than it was five years

(01:36:06):
ago. You get out beyond anhour almost certainly zero. So but that's
medical science advances on. If there'sone thing I respect as a physician,
We're getting smarter and more knowledgeable andmore effective in how we administer our medical
practice day after day, week afterweek, year after year. We've got

(01:36:27):
you've got a better chance of havinga cardiac arrest and being resuscitated today than
you ever had before, and inthe future an even greater chance, and
a lot of these people will havenear death experiences. Has anyone trying to
kind of an obscure question, butit's just coming to mind as you're talking,
But has anyone tried to kind oflike in that you know movie Flatliners.

(01:36:49):
I don't know if you ever sawit, if anyone tried to induce
the the experiments, gosh, ifI had a nickel for every time I've
had to talk with them now,yeah, sure, yeah, yeah yeah.
Number one. Okay, you gotjust a couple of minutes from you
to respond to that, because that'san important question. Gee, you go

(01:37:09):
to a wondrous realm, you learnall these great things, you have great
after effects. Shouldn't we all beinducing near death experiences? Number One?
Suicides people that try to take theirown life, They try to die by
their own hand. What do theylearn? What wisdom can we learn from
their experiences? Well, gosh,I've only studied a few hundred of those
over the years gone by, youknow, a coupled with the research of

(01:37:31):
a vast number of suicide NDEs neardeath experiences by my research colleagues. Let
me tell you and every listener,the first piece of wisdom that comes from
suicides that attempt suicide and have anear death experience is ay quickly learned.
It is part of their experience thatthey made a huge mistake that suicide is
wrong In fact, the substantial,the overwhelming majority of people that have a

(01:37:55):
near death experience as a result ofsuicide do not try suicide again because they
understood from their experience that's wrong.They're here on earth for purpose, their
life has meaning, and under nocircumstances will they try to kill themselves again.
So that's really critical. But numbertwo, I've been approached by shall
we say, too many media mobileswho say, gosh, wouldn't this be

(01:38:17):
great? We can induce a neardeath experience or someone nearly to die and
see what happens me And consistent withall other ethical near death experience researchers,
will have nothing to do with anybodythat tries to induce a near death experience
and then tries to make a mediatopic of it, And in fact,
we will see to it that theyare prosecuted legally and that they are prosecuted

(01:38:39):
to the fullest extent of the lawthrough civil action to make sure that that
is discouraged. You do not tryto take your own life. Yes,
near death experience is wonderful, it'sglorious for the great majority of people,
but it is a gift. Itis not a gift that we can choose
to try to achieve. It issomething that happens, serendipitous, is a

(01:39:00):
consequence of an unexpected, unplanned event, and anybody that crosses that line,
me and a whole bunch of neardeath experiencers stand ready to near death experiences,
near death experience researchers. We standto come down on like a ton
of bricks if anybody crosses that ethicalline. I hope up clear on that.
Yeah, And it's always good tomention. You know, years ago
I was interviewing doctor Lee Pulos andwe were talking about how many people had

(01:39:25):
been struck by lightning and come backwith psychic abilities. Dan included, and
you know, we had to dothe same kind of disclosure, kind of
you know, disclaimer on the air. Please do not go in lect to
cut yourself after the show, Thankyou very much. But you know,
it comes to mind as you're talking. So I'm glad. I wonder if
they were quite as eloquent as Iwas, or it's forceful any anybody tries

(01:39:45):
to induce this. There are legal, civil and you know and variety of
it. S always say criminal andcivil consequences of that kind of behavior,
And believe me, me and awhole bunch of indie researchers stand ready,
willing, and I dare say ableto come down hard on anybody that crosses
that line. Thou shalt not tryto kill yourself. And by the way,

(01:40:08):
that's that's what your death experiences understandtoo. I mean, that's that's
coming from on high as well.It's not just indie researchers. More importantly,
you just don't want to do that. If you if you feel like
killing yourself or you feel like endingyour life, talk to your primary care
healthcare team, call a suicide crisisline. That is the right thing to
do. And you're hearing that fromsomeone who, believe me, is speaking

(01:40:29):
from somewhat of a position of knowledgeor understanding. Okay, so that having
been said, all of this together, you've done the research, you've you
personally are coming from you know,there's enough evidence it's real. Period.
So oh, by the way,let me tell you I'm not alone and
coming to that conclusion. Virtually everyperson who has in your death experience has

(01:40:54):
the same conclusion I have. Theyjust happen to come to it a lot
quicker, not kidding, your deathexperience is real. Ask anybody who's had
one. Well, you know,what does this mean in the big picture
of the meaning of life and allof that. Let's pull it together to
that place. What is your theoryon that? Now? Oh, I
don't have a theory. Can Ibe less than humble? Please? Please?

(01:41:15):
Okay? Please do I would beanyway. I'm kidding. No,
I've heard so many people. Westudied this, we studied near death experiencers
come back and they have some insightsinto what we're doing here on earth.
I'll answer that it happens to dowith lessons of love. It happens to
do with relationships, especially loving relationships, and very typically loving relationships with their

(01:41:38):
family and especially children. That seemsto be one of the dominant reasons that
people are aware that they need toreturn from the heavenly realms back down to
Earth to continue to live their life. By the way, that's not hypothesis.
I'm not guessing. That's my conclusionfor some vast numbers of near death
experiencers, and totally consistent with thefinding some multiple other near death experience researchers.

(01:41:59):
This is actual. But above andbeyond that, I mean, the
overwhelming message is that if you wantto judge yourself in some way, judge
yourself as a beloved child or childass of God. Because, believe me,
I hear that ad overwhelmingly consistently,that is what we all are.
We are beloved beyond what we couldpossibly know, hope we could possibly understand,

(01:42:19):
or even believe in our earthly existence. But it's true that our life
is meaningful, purposeful, and hasdirection and lessons for us and value for
us that is vastly beyond what wecould possibly know with our day to day
normal earthly existence. I mean,this is this is the big amazing thing.
Wow, I have no idea.You know, as a doctor,

(01:42:41):
you're born, lived, die.Oh whoa boy? Did I learn when
I studied near death experiences. There'sa whole new universe to this. There's
a whole new reality and it's veryvery positive and good. It's very very
much a part of why we're here. So, you know, we're a
couple of minutes to the top ofthe hour and a lot of you're talking
too. You know, you're preachingto the converted in some form already because

(01:43:02):
at least in theory, you know, and new's going to sow A listener
would already be aware of themselves beingmore than the physical and thus lay on
the you know, seeking path inlife, in this life, in this
place, you know, trying tokind of bring that into a place where
you know, I want to know. I want to come from knowing and

(01:43:25):
they want to come from knowing.You know, so do I Yeah,
now you're being me, but goahead, yeah, you know because because
when like this, this soul isall about empowerment and coming from direct experience.
And you know we've covered that wearen't going from direct experience in that
way. So how can we assimilatethis information and really know? Right?

(01:43:49):
Oh, that's a really good question. How can you really know? How
can you go beyond faith and sayI get it, I understand this.
Number one talked to as many neardeath experiences as you can. Listen to
this show every single time it's on. I'm sure there's going to be near
death experiencers in the future. Areyou hearing me? Listeners? This show
will will bring you the original sourceof data that you can decide. I

(01:44:12):
INS the International Association for Near DeathExperiences has near death experience groups all around
the world. Look them up iA n DS dot org. Go Listen
to these people, talk to them, ask questions, be as critical as
you want. Go to the websitethat I have developed and that you know,
my soulmate Jody has developed in ders dot org. Read any one

(01:44:34):
of the thousand over one thousand experiencesposted on the website, and join the
bulletin board and be as critical asyou want to be. Ask questions,
be skeptical in your own way andin your own time. But believe the
evidence. That's all I ask.There we go. Well we are at

(01:44:54):
the top of the hour. DoctorJeffrey Long, Thank you so much for
taking time out to talk to ustoday. It has been a sincere pleasure.
All right. Well, I hopewe'll do it again soon and keep
us in the loop with your upcomingbook and such wonderful stuff. And I
want to know I'm going to belooking more and you know, who knows.
Maybe we can do near death Storyof the Week segment on News for

(01:45:16):
the Soul. I would be lovelythe stories they have to tell. Well,
there we go. Thanks everybody fortuning in. This has been News
for the Soul with Nicole Whitney.Visit us anytime online at www dot Newsforthsoul
dot com, where you can listento all our previously aired shows at any

(01:45:36):
time and so much more. Havea great week and remember what you focus
on. Expands here Oliver previously airedbroadcast of News for the Soul online at

(01:46:15):
newspapasol dot com. Now let's getback to the show, and we are
not having running on Nicolmriy Whitney,founder of the News for the Soul,
life changing talk radio from the upliftingto the unexplained. Now and it's twenty
third year, and boy are webusy this year right now? Very excited

(01:46:39):
to introduce you. Well, Idon't need to introduce but you will remember
him best known for his Golden Globenominated role in the series Happy Days Ants
and Williams is also an award winningtelevision director, writer, producer and entrepreneur.
We're going to talk to him abouthow he's contributing to the front lines
during this coronavirus episode on the planetLess. Welcome you know him as Poppy.

(01:47:03):
I'm Happy Days. Can you believethat was forty five years ago?
My god? Anthon Williams. Welcome, Jinus for the Soul. Well,
thank you, thanks for having meon. Yeah, I think I think
it was like four or five yearsago, right, right times ten?
Yeah, quiet please? So wherewhere about you? You're in California.

(01:47:27):
How's how are you faring there withall that's going on? Well, you
know, pretty much like everyone else, it's a hotspot and uh, you
know, we're following the protocols,you know, social distancing and and the
mask and you know, and washyour hands and sanitize all that. Yeah,
so it's been, it's been.It's you know, like everyone,

(01:47:48):
you get a little bit, geta bit of cabin fever. But it's
also yeah, it's also interesting howmuch you begin to restructure too, and
priorities change quite a bit. Itis indeed, Yes, it's in a
transformative time. Very interesting things,very interesting. So I was pleased to
see how busy you've been since thehappy days, all the writing and directing

(01:48:12):
you've been doing. But also Iwant to talk to you about the product
you've created and how that came about. What's into I've always been funereal,
uh, you know, finding findingvoids and filling them. And and my
uncle he actually was my second cousin, but I called them uncle ever since

(01:48:33):
I was born. The doctor HenryHeimlicher created the Heimlich maneuver. And uh
he had a great, great influenceon me through the years. Uh,
a selfless giving man. And uhand just to show you, I mean
like today, I'm would you ratherbe you? Your would your leg Would
you rather have a legacy as amovie star or a legacy? Has some

(01:48:55):
cousin who lives lives of being statedevery day and that doctor Heimlich every day
do saving lives. They had agreat, quite an influence on me.
And and twenty some years ago Igot into creating manufacturing problem solving products in
quite a different areas of life.And then but what I'm working on now,

(01:49:17):
it's so important for society, Imean so important. And it's the
last project Dahimler worked on until hepassed, which was a few years ago.
And he promised me that I wouldget this out there because he knew
how beneficially it would be to somany or what influenced it was years before
I got into the product business.I almost killed myself by falling asleep at

(01:49:41):
the wheel and doctor Heimlich I informedme to keep cut up lemons with me
because if you're exhausted, if youbite into a cut up lemon. The
citric acid and the sour lemon hitsthe lingual nerve right on top of your
tongue, and the reflex reaction ofthe body is adrenaline. You're up,

(01:50:03):
you're alert, nothing in your system, nothing to hurt you, nothing to
screw up your sleep pattern. Anatural way of body waking the body and
very old science, verial science.And I did that. I did that
for years. I never had theproblem again. And then a few years
ago when we started reading up ona catastrophic drows and driving. Isn't this

(01:50:23):
country, I mean it's right underguns. There are more deaths, more
tragedies than drunk and medicated combined.So I had an idea, and I
talked to doctor Heimlich, and Isaid, what if we had a spray
drop citric acid, sour lemon water, a bit of preservers, the shelf
life, and just spray top atthe top of the tongue. He got

(01:50:43):
very excited. He said, let'sdo this. He said, this will
stay more lies than the Highland maneuver. Many more people are drowsy, driving
or exhausted in their life, andtragedies are happening much more than choking so
we did so we created literally aspray called alert drops, which is basically
high powered lemons and UH and andwe've had huge results with drowsy driving,

(01:51:08):
to the point that US Congress hashonored us UH as as as as an
important help to society the State ofCalifornia, City of La But as we
were going going forward with this,we found out it helped much more than
drowsy driving anybody that needed to bealert, which are millions of people entertained.
It's all huge in the entertainment businessbecause these long hours in the medical

(01:51:31):
communities, huge students studying all nightto think during UH during during exams,
they're they're going to the hospital becausethey're overdosing on caffeine and energy damage of
audies and not screw up their sleeppatterns. And and now we've just and
we've also found out in terms ofexhaustion, it's been tremendous. Now with

(01:51:54):
the coronavirus situation, we've we've donatedthousands to the frontline workers who are exhausted,
absolutely exhausted in saving lives and thealert jobs is hugely helpful there.
And also the coronavirus is causing alot of problems in homes where it's such

(01:52:15):
a change of lifestyle for people.They're they're losing the fire, losing the
adrenaline, there's no contact with otherpeople, and really people are drinking too
much coffee and they're they're they're justdoing bad things to try to get energized,
and they're hurting themselves. And we'refinding alert drops I say, either
alert drops or bite into lemons.One or the other really really has been

(01:52:39):
effective in helping them out of thatadul jump. And so I'm very so
but I was very very excited tobe able to contribute to the front lines
and continue to contribute to the frontlines to help them stay safe, to
stay alert during the surrenderous situation.Very cool. So it's primarily so there's

(01:52:59):
no chemicals, then no DROs no, it's it's literally literally I'll hit a
citric acid, natural citric acid,sour lemon water and a bit of preservative
for shelf if that's it, that'sall that's in it, and find an
average of thirty minutes to an hourof like boom, you're up, you're
alert. Nothing in your system,just just like going to the doctor and

(01:53:21):
they check your reflexes they have thatlittle rubber hammer and they'll they'll check your
knees and your arms. It's thesame thing when when when the citric acid
and the sour lemon hits the lingualnerve on top of your tongue, the
reflex reaction of the tongue, thesensory connection to tongue in brain, and
the effect is adrenaline boom. Youget an immediate immediate guilt of adrenaline.

(01:53:43):
You're up, your alert, yourbody, waking the body. Nothing to
hurts you, nothing in your system. And we're stopping a lot of necessary
tragedies, and we're stopping people fromputting bad things in the body. Yeah,
very true. You know it's funnytoo. It's such an understated thing.
The driving tired. I didn't realizethe stats were that high, but
you know, I caught myself yearsago once I was so tired, I

(01:54:06):
thought that this should be illegal.Like it's worse than driving drunk almost,
you know, And nothing's doune aboutit. It's not even really to us.
No, And that's what gets me. They talk about drunk driving,
medicated drive, but drws driving isworse than all of them. All of
that in twenty twelve, they dida very detailed study and it's more now,

(01:54:29):
by the way, But back thenthere were one hundred and sixty eight
million drowsy drivers a year, halfthe population of falling asleep at the wheel.
You can imagine the tragies. Well, today there's almost two hundred million,
which is over half the population.It's a big problem. You're driving
a firearm and the majority of thepeople killed are not the drivers. Families

(01:54:53):
are destroyed, kids are destroyed.Crazy and doctor Heimlich, you know,
I mean, that's why he wasso pashed and getting this out two weeks
before he passed and maybe promised toget the product up because he knew the
help and he knew how point itwas and so simple, like you know,
doctor i'mak is brilliant, very simple, a natural way to help yourself,

(01:55:15):
natural to alert drops dot com.They can read all about it.
They can it's very very old science. We all we did was make a
better scooter. We didn't invent it. It's a it's a science. It's
been proven for years. N Idid to study fifty years ago. They
can read all about that. Theycan read all about why it works,
how it works, how safe itis exactly what it is testimonials. They

(01:55:40):
can buy it there, they canbuy it at Amazon, and I tell
people, if you don't want tobuy it, that's fine. It just
makes a little more convenient have cutup lemons that works. So so basically,
it's a very very very simple,reasonable way for your family, your
friends, your loved ones to besafe, absolutely safe. And the people
in the workplace, machine operators,you know, people in the medical profession,

(01:56:03):
tired moms, anyone who needs tobe alert. An amazing product that
will solve that problem. Love it. Well, we've got this all linked
up on our website Needs for thesoldot com. Before you go, I
just want to ask you know,here we are there little lockdown cabin and
time, are you doing any newcreative ventures while you're on house over there?

(01:56:28):
Well, you know writing, youknow, a bit of writing that
are committed to do. So I'mdoing that. Uh, and then you
know, and then you know,always creating these shows to get in development.
Let's I'll tell you it's hard though. It's hard when you're even if
you're talking with people to people onthe phone. There's something I miss being
in a room, you know,and spitting out ideas. Magic happens with
people are together, magic happens,and I miss that. You know,

(01:56:53):
it's the energy that there's an energyfactory that I'm right with you. It's
very critical. You have content criticaland the magic happens that it's factor many
times, well how did you howdid you guys come up with this?
You know, you don't really know. It kind of just came up and
everyone goes, ooh, that's it, that's perfect, you know, so

(01:57:14):
so and like they say, too, don't try to be overproductive during these
times. You know you kind ofjust just just just calm into it,
let it come naturally, Calm intoit, don't don't don't beat yourself up
to be overly productive because you knowthat might not be that that's not the
whole purpose going to this mm hmm. Very true. Kind of like a

(01:57:38):
forced retreat. Yeah, and reprioritizeto it. It's very interesting. Boy.
Mother nature really to kind of takesyou to your knees. When we
can get rovers tomorrows and get detailedpictures of other planets, you know,
millions of miles away, we cango to the moon, but yet one
little virus of Mother nature brings usnags. Right, Absolutely, I think

(01:58:02):
it's not only is it a stockmarket correction and all that people are talking
about. I think it's I thinkit's humanitarian connect I think it's real prioritizing
our goals, our needs, andour priorities. And I think you're right,
and I think you're right. It'sgoing to be interesting to see what
the world looks like when the dusthas settled after all this. Yeah,

(01:58:25):
I hope, so, I hope, so, I hope it's not.
You know, too many times peopleyou over drink and you get a hangover,
and people say, I'm never goingto drink it. Doain, Oh
my god. The three weeks laterthey forget about it. So I'm hoping.
I'm hoping this isn't the same.I'm hoping this sticks, this sticks,
and really it sticks, it stickshard, and we've become a kinder

(01:58:46):
world and a less self centered world, less self involved the world, and
really look out for each other,and big business and everybody else start doing
the right thing. Give back happydays. I just I love the irony
of speaking with you now and moreuncertain days, but let's hope for happy

(01:59:08):
days again. It's been a pleasuretalking to you instance, well, it's
such a pleasure talking to you too, and we'll show you do so many
great things for so many It's wonderfulyou'd be well and keep in touch and
we will let everyone know far andwide about alert drops. And thank you
for being here today. Thank youso much, God blessed. Stay safe,

(01:59:28):
We're going to get through this.Yes, take care, Ansolt William
happy from Happy Days. Wow,we're going to be back with more right
after this. Here all were previouslyaired broadcast of News for the Sold online

(01:59:50):
at News for the Old dot Com. Now let's get back to the show.

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