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Reporting from the leading edge of humanity'sconsciousness evolution since nineteen ninety seven. This
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Now here's your host, the oneNews for the Soul listeners are calling the
Oprah of the Internet, Nicole Whitney. Well, welcome to News for the

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Same, Doctor David Hawkins. Thisis doctor Hawkins. Hi, doctor Hawkins,
how are you. I'm so gladwe connected. I first heard about
your first book when I was actuallyat a talk with Wayne Dyer and he
had been explaining to the audience thathe had changed his I mean, this
book had just changed his entire path. And then I heard several other speakers

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say the same thing at other events, and I thought, I got to
check out this book. My understandingis he has been able to map out
energy levels of consciousness. Is thatright? It was based on the discovery
of how to tell truth from falsehood. As part of consciousness research, we
discovered that we could tell truth fromfalsehood. And because the basis of it

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is really the basis of consciousness itself, the field of consciousness recognizes truth,
it doesn't recognize falsehood, so it'snot true versus false test. It's a
true versus not true. And becauseconsciousness itself is totally encompassing of all mankind

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and it's outside of time temporal time, we discovered we could find the truth
or falsehood of anything anywhere in timeor place. Any person that ever lived,
anything, they ever thought, anythingever written, every piece of music.
Fact, we're currently doing a bookwith a thousand calibrations of everything from

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ancient pyramids to all the great philosophers, the great artists, and all the
aspects of current society. So it'sa really incredible research tool. So I
started to have anyone and how didyou first come across this concept? Well,
I myself had had somewhere what theROLL calls enlightened enlightening experiences very early,

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and they tended to recur and thenbecame extremely overwhelming in my late thirties.
What was happening, Well, thefirst one began really at age three,
when out of total oblivion, Isuddenly became aware of consciousness. I

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became aware of existence. I hadno verbalization for it, but there was
a nonverbal awareness of existence, andinstantly up became the fear of non existence.
If I exist, then it couldhave come about that I would have
might not have come into existence.So that's a spiritual work. That's called

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the polarity of the opposites. It'sa duality, and really it doesn't get
resolved until very advanced spiritual evolution calibrationlevel about eight hundred and fifty. That
took me fifty years. And thena teenage I and a near death experience
in a snow bank. And inthose days nobody ever heard of such things.

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But in the middle of a blizzard, I climbed into a snowbank to
keep from freezing to death, andsuddenly a warm you know, it was
obviously divinity, a warm glow.Ever, presence prevailed and there was no
personal self left. The only realitypresent was this infinite love in which any

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personal self totally dissolved. And infollowing that experience I never mentioned anybody what
would you say about it? Butthere was a transformation, completely lost all
fear of death. I've never hada fear of death World War two,
you know, I forgot killed anumber of times, and I had no

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anxiety about it. If you go, you go, I mean, didn't
make a difference to me. Well, then then my late thirties, after
some intensive inner spiritual work, thepersonal self disappeared permanently, that which is
called the mind stopped thinking and therewas only like a profound awareness of an

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infinite presence, which is what isspeaking to you today seeing is there is
no personality involved. Personality is likeutilized by the self with a capitalist and
life after that point is spontaneous.That was sort of an unusual story.

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Yes, it is. So you'resaying, be able to overcome the eager
mind or the lower self mind orwhatever you know, and everybody calls it
something different. Yeah, it justdisappeared into nothingness, and I saw it
was an illusion. After that itwas practice possible to function, and I
did leave the world forel close toten years and then began to function again.

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And out of that came this research. I attended a lecture on kinesiology,
and when I saw the hinesiology whichchiropractors and holistic help practitioner is used
rather widely. I saw that thetest was based on a response of consciousness.

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It was impersonal, and that ledto the research which allowed me to
calibrate the levels of kindiousness possible tomankind from one to a thousand, and
we found that anything on that scalethat calibrates two hundred or over was true,
and anything under two hundred was false, and that that which is over

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two hundred represented power, and thatwhich is under two hundred, which is
detrimental to life, represents fourth.So that was a staggering discovery that put
the fact that you could go anywherein time and calibrate anything. So I

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just define mean what you mean bypower as opposed to powering over you mean
sort of self impairments or two power. No, their qualities are different.
You might say that power really relatesto an energy, which is requires energy.

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Power. In other words, forcegoes from here to there like a
gun bullet bullet shooting goes from herethere. Of course, power force then
creates counterforce, so that one cannotreally accomplish great things in the world by
force. Power is more like gravity. Gravity doesn't go from here to there.

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Gravity gives out energy, sustains everythingwithin its field. So power is
more like a field and force ismore like uh, physicality within the field.
But the real power is coming fromthe field. So when is when
it is resistance that force? Well, spirituality has to do with context,

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which is the field, and hthe ego has to do with more forest
emotional for us, which is thecontent. So it led to the realization
that the reason man can never arriveat what is truth or how do you

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know truth is because he didn't realizethe difference between context and content and spiritually
speaking, the ultimate context is Godand in the average experienced content is a
human ego. So that was youknow, like redefining what is the problem?

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Yeah, how did it come toset up value for things? How
did you get to that level?Setting a value for certain levels of power
for assert Yeah? How to geta calibration? Well, we uh,
by trial and error, ended upwith an arbitrary scale of one to one

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thousand. It's actually a lot scale, but you can say, in fact,
anybody can set up their own scale, even set up your own scale
from one to one hundred or oneto a million, or whatever you want.
And then you say, well,if everything in the universe that ever
exists is, you know, goesfrom one to one thousand, then where

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is the statue of liberty over onehundred, two hundred, three hundred,
four hundred. And then suddenly yougo you get a definition we can it's
just stay the muscle testing, thekinciology muscle testing where you stay strong or
goes down? Right. Yeah,So what we mainly said was if everything
goes from one to one thousand,is what number is true? We got

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two hundred. So on the publishedMap of consciousness, two hundred is the
level of honesty and integrity, honesty, integority, critical, critical balance point
Above it, everything makes you gostrong. Below that, every should go
week now. So from that point, once you define the number, you're

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then testing everything to see what factorson the relatives point to the scale and
using niology. So here, howdoes it factory? If you know what
you're testing, I guess we shouldactually describe how knology works first before I
ask that question, how does thatwork? Well? The way it's generally
used throughout the world is with twopeople. Some people can do it by

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themselves by making the circle of theirmiddle finger in their and their thumb and
holding that circle and using their lefthand making a hook of their forefinger,
try and break that circle. Whenyou hold something in mind is positive,
the whole musculature of the body goesstrong. The acupuncture system instantly recognizes truth,

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and you go strong. When confrontedwith falsity, which like an amba
backs away from poison, the bodyinstantly goes weak. Now this weakness is
transitory, very quick response, andthe acupuncture system quickly rebalances itself. So

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to do the test, or whatwe do is two people. I use
I ask the questions, and mywife will hold her right arm out parallel
to the ground, and I presseddown with two fingers on her on the
wrist of her extended arm, andI tell her resists. Okay, So

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the way I'll do it is,I'll say this radio program is integerous resist
and if it figures, the personstays strong. If they're not integraans,
she goes weak. Can we cancelit and tell them we can't talk to
them? So did you have toask? Yeah? Actually, the calibration

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comes considerably from intention. So wefound to get accurate results, the two
people doing the tests themselves have tobe integrass, their personal level of consciousness
has to calibrate two hundred or over. Well, see that was going to
be my next question is how doesthat factor in what they want the answer
to be? Yeah, okay,so they both have to be over two

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hundred, and the intention of thequestion, the question itself has to be
integrist. So you can't use itto make money on the stock market,
because that intention would be coming fromthe solar plexus, gain profit money,
et cetera. So one has tohave a certain purity of intention. In

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another words, you're asking the questionfor the purpose of knowing the truth.
So we discovered that the personal beliefsof the people doing the tests have nothing
to do with the response, thatthe response is impersonal with This can be

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proven in a couple of ways.One is you don't have to tell the
the second person what you're holding inmind, and I often do it that
way. I'll say what I'm holdingin mind is over two hundred, and
her arm goes strong. It's overthree hundred arms go strong, four hundred
arms goes strong, or four yarmgoes strong, four fifty she goes down.

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So what I'm calibrating is probably aroundfour forty five. You know,
maybe a book title, so theydon't have to know what it is.
No, so you know, theother person doesn't even have to know what
it is. Also, the answeryou get maybe quite contrary to what you
believe. And so I always say, don't do the test unless you're willing

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to accept whatever that answer might be, which means you out to be you
have to be dedicated to knowing thetruth rather than affirming some positionality. Definitely
not being attached to the outcome.Yeah, in other words, say you
have to be more devoted to truth. In other words, you have to
be devoted more to God than youdo to the ego, because the ego

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has positionalities. You know, alot of people write me letters and they
say, please calibrate this, thator the other thing. And they don't
really want to know that. Allthey want me to do is confirm some
prejudice they have in their own mindthat it's some spiritual feature off in some
remote area. Is the savior ofmankind is something, And I don't want

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to tell them that the only calibratesone hundred and eighty. Do you get
a lot of calls like that?Do you get a lot of mail like
that. We try to discourage it, but we get rid of it fire
piles of books and prepositions and papers, sad stories. What we do is

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we teach the people how to arriveat the answer themselves, and if they're
unable to do it themselves, wegive them a lot of references to people
who do do it and know howto do it. On the internet.
For instance, under kinesiology there's manyreferences. You know, the original work
was done by doctor John Diamond,who wrote a book called Your Body Doesn't

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Lie, later put out also asBehavioral Kinesiology, and there's the American College
of Kinesiology. So I tell people, if you really want to know,
go to kinesiology on the internet andstudy it and know that way you can
discern yourself. I am putting outa book which I'm working on now,

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a thousand calibrations of it'll include mostof the questions that people ask. So
I tell them, well, ina year, that'll be covered in a
book you our, Okay, okay, when's that coming up? Oh,
that'll take me a good year.Yet, thousand calibrations, I mean we've
probably done six seven hundred already bythe time we wrote the book. I

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we've done three hundred and ten thousandcalibrations. Oh, he smokes. And
what was the focus? I haven'tread that one yet. What was the
focus of the book was that therecent really strength of the trilogy, Power
Versus Forrest, introduces the subject,and that book calibrates I think about eight
fifty m. Then we took thesubject further in the book the second book

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of the trilogy called the Eye ofthe Eye, meaning really spiritual discernment and
going to a higher level of consciousnessand the completion of the trip from the
evolution of mankind you might say,the evolution of consciousness, since this occurrence

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on this planet up for the presenttime and up to its highest evolution is
the Great Avatar as Christ Jesus goto. So the third book completes the
evolution all the way to the maximumpossibility of enlightenment in its highest expression.
So it's really for the serious spiritualseeker. Book one kills the wide number

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of people. Book two is morefor the spirituality seeker, and Book three
is for a person really who isdedicated to reach the enlightenment. Well,
so what number do you calibrate at? Don't calibrate myself. Have they even
done that for you? Oh?God, they always do that. Any
idea where you're at Roughly the bookalways reflects the writer's level of consciousness.

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So the calibration the books gos youwhat the level of that consciousness is.
And the book was I think Ithe Eye was No, let's see Harvorsus
Forrest is a fifty. I hadthe Eye with nine seventy and I in
ninety nine points. Oh I,well that is high. When you tested

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our show, I'm curious. I'mcurious when you tested our show? What?
Never you got there when I did? What? When you tested our
radio show? Oh I we justask if they're integrits or not. Okay,
usually in the four hundreds, becausean interview show has to be done

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by somebody intellectually aware, capable,so it's usually you're almost always in the
four hundreds. You know, yes, one would hope anyway, Well,
that's the level of America. Soto have a radio show, you have
to be pretty much on the levelof the listener of the America calibrates at

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four point thirty one right now.I think Canada calibrid it's about the same.
Where is George Bush calibrate app well, the Office of the Presidency the
United States calibrates consistently four point fiftyto four sixty has for one hundred years.

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The great spiritual leaders of the worldusually calibrate in the five high five
hundreds. The Pope and what's thehead of the Tibetan Buddhism's world famous Dalai
Lama, they calibrate a high fivehundreds. They don't go over into six

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hundred because it's six hundred. Iswhat happens does? You become pretty immobilized.
There's only an infinite president of love. And like I was in the
snowbank, you're personal self. Thefunction in the world is not real.
Only the presence of God is thesole reality about which nothing can be said.

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There's nothing to say about it.It's took me thirty years. The
thirty years I never said anything aboutit. What can you say? That's
somebody on the shoulders. You walkdown the street and say, hey,
guess what, yeah, I mean, times have changed now, Christ,
But it wasn't like this then,You know, where it was people who
were quite open about things now butseemingly anyway, at least in certain circles.

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I still kind of took on yourlast comment there about so that the
country, the overall country in whichUniting is calibrating at about four hundred.
North America calibrates around four thirty one, which is extremely uh. I mean,
that's a very intigious level and justa lot higher than I thought it

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was going to be. Well,only eight percent of the world ever reaches
the four hundreds, so it isextremely high. You know, whole continents
calibrats like ninety with the amount ofviolence going on and stuff. You know,
that's what's surprission means. But what'sthe amount of violence and you know,
evans and killing and you know,violent programming. And I would have

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thought that were taking us down ifyou not just five hundred. You know,
So the four hundreds is the worldof reason, the intellect, law,
ethics, university, college education,and then about four percent of the

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population, which is the calibrated levelof five hundred, which is love.
So the five hundred really indicates theinversions of love is a dominating factor.
And you know, on that level, love means a way of being in
the world. It's not an emotionlike in love, it's not between two

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people it's what you have become.And by the consciousness level of five hundred
and forty is reached only by zeropoint four percent of the world's population,
and that is that's a level ofunconditional love. Unconditional love means as a

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person assassinates you, you bless themand say thank you, brother. Yeah,
yeah, total laws allowing there.That's a big yeah. And then
at six hundred, as I say, that's the traditional level of true enlightenment.
Most people don't function in the worldafter that from the massic majority at

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six hundred becomes silent and you don'thave to stay with your body. By
the way, at six hundred isquite you have permission, there's a standing
permission to leave the body, andno obligation at all to either leave it
or not leave it, and thetime to choose at six there is anybody

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to choose the choosing. This seemsto be operating of its own, perhaps
some karmic momentum about whether you're goingto regret yourself and you know, continue
with the body or not. Iremember being in that state one time,
which that state recurred, and hewas in the presence of someone else,

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and I realized that if I didn'treactivate the body. He would think I
died. That was my father.And then how I saw he would grieve
because he believes in death. Wellin those states you realize no death is
possible. But he would grieve,and so I breathed again. Wow,

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how was we then? Oh?Teenage? So no one else knew what
you were going to when those thatagent there was no one to describe it
to. Near death experiences were neverheard of. The only spiritual literature I
knew of where there was religious innature or the experiences of the saints.

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Uh. Anyway, it was.It totally transformed the personality. It was
never the same after that. Whatother people think seriously seemed always to me
as a joke. Well, shedidn't get you found E didn't get caught
up in the drama of the surfacelevel of things. Well, after some

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years there is the capacity to hmuh re energize what I guess the young
one called the persona. The personalitywhich is not yourself, interacts with the
world, but it does so spontaneously, just like your body does that.

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Your body functions spontaneously after that,and you just witness it, and so
does the what the world would callpersonality, the interaction with the world,
the capacity to verbalize, so tore enter the world. It's not easy,
and to this day it takes energyto enter into the world of form,

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language and verbalization, logic and allthat. But one becomes a depth
with it. It's like focusing one'senergy without instead of allowing it to be
just within you, although sometimes itgoes within And I don't know what you're
talking about. Frankly, can Igo into a different staff some kind of

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nonsense anyway, But I noticed thepersonality. One style it has is it's
endlessly humorous, and the humor comesup of its own. No, I
don't think of jokes or anything likethat. Just the most amazingly funny things
come through, and it's just theway of being in the world. I

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definitely convinced that God has a senseof humor. It's the irrepressible, uh
sense of humor, and it seesparadox all the time. That's why I
sell it laughing, because the paradoxbetween the real and the imaginary, which
the world calls for you on.People will say, well, don't don't

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you worry about war and all that. Well, because from my position,
life and death are all the same. Serial to me, So what isive
of that right now? Very strangeyou understand what I'm saying, that life
and dead they're all the same.If you have money, you don't have
money. Whether the body survives ordoesn't survive, it's not comprehensible to ordinary

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consciousness. It's not sort of somewhatadd like I said, master is sort
of you know, has the sameattitude. Whether the body convenes or not,
is really your liver elevent Why becausethe body is not who you are,
and the body is obviously a productof this world, you know,
it's just a part of the evolutionof the animal kingdom, and so it's

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sort of like a pet instead ofbeing me. It's a pet. You
know. Everywhere I go, thisbody follows around. So I've got used
to it all these years looking atit. Yeah, we have a lot
of conversations like this on this show, you know. But I mean it's
the sort of put me frames itin an interesting way. We should actually

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give out a website. We've gota link on our site. Actually,
people can actually find your books onour site and website and all that.
But do you have a particular onethat you want to give out any contact
information. Oh, well, thereis one that has what people are looking
for. It's called www dot veritasV like a Victor E. R I

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T A S pub dot com,ww period ritas pube dot com. Okay,
so they can get more information aboutyour latest work there everything. Yeah,
perfect. I don't know how towork at computer, but that's what
it says. Well, that's whatI wanted to ask you to you is

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what is your perspective of what's goingon with you know this more on terrorism
and global sort of upheaval. Well, I am, in fact give the
electorate on this coming f day onthe spirituality and one's relationship to the world
and the world you know as itis hitting the headlines right now. Has

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to do with war and peace thereand what are the sources of war and
peace? Well, my understanding ofthat is somewhat different. Peace is then
actual condition when falsehood is removed.Therefore, war is the consequence of falsehood.

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So the elimination of war then isby the elimination of falsehood. To
be able to eliminate falsehood, youhave to be able to tell troops from
falsehood, which mankind has never beenable to do. The consciousness level of
mankind stood at ninety all these centuries, the last thousand years, so,

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which is below truth because truth isat two hundred. Then in the light
late nineteen eighties, for unexplained reasons, the consciousness level of mankind as a
whole went from one ninety to twoo seven. Well, two o seven
is a totally different ballgame from oneninety. At level one ninety, greed

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and victory over the others, andall these kinds of things are excused.
And when I grew up, youknow, you're supposed to be a success.
The business was not constrained by ethics. You know, they say,
well, business is business, andI outright dis honesty. I can remember
I was interviewed for a job whereI was supposed to sell something that I

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could see would be you know,non inhigorous, and the sales supervisors said
to me, well, look,if you don't get their money, somebody
else will. Well at one endythat makes sense. Then that two o
seven, you say, you beginto realize that you know, you're answerable

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for non integrity, and it's nolonger acceptable. So the world now is
going through convulsions become because coming fromone ninety to two oh seven. Upsets
everything, upsets everything. So youcould look at the totality of mankind as

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though it were one person, andyou might say war is like an appendix.
It's about the rupture. So it'sa bit of that purification cleaning him.
Well, I got that Bush's intentionwas to take out the appendix before
it ruptures and gets worse. That'swhat I got was his conscious intention,

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which he is sort of the statedmany times he said, I took an
oath of office with my hand onthe Bible to protect the lives of the
citizens, and it is my dutyto carry that out. So I would
guess within his own understanding of integrity, he is doing what he considers to

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be intigerous. But that's what heattested, that that's what he believes anyway,
Yeah, I think that's what hedoes. So in other words,
a person's in tigerous if they statewhat their position is and then to live
up to that position. You knowwhat I'm saying. It's just like Taliban,
I guess, is intigerous if theythink, you know, Americans are

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the great Satans and then killing themis integerous. So that's their view of
integrity, it's different than mine.I'm glad I wasn't in the trade center
when they carry that out. Yeah, to get back to their relative thinking.
Right, Well, you see,mankind and basically is innocent because first

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of all, he has no wayof knowing truth from falsehood. Secondly,
the human consciousness is like the hardwareof a computer, and in society programs
it like the software. Well,you know, the hardware of a computer
cannot defend itself against what you putinto it, So you can convince people

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that anything is the truth. Andin World War two, Gables demonstrated that
he had the science of propaganda downand his Jesus was, if you repeat
a lie often enough, everyone willcome to believe it, no matter how
outrageous it is. And he wasquite successful at that. He brought up

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a whole generation of Germans will worshipnot God but Adolf Hiddler as the fearer
and willing they gave up their lives, and of course that falsity costs forty
million people dead. Pot Pol causedanother twenty million dead, Stalin caused another

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what fifty million deads Imposedly, inthe last century, one hundred million people
died due to falsity to falsity asthe soul underlying disease. Yeah, so
again it comes back to purity ofintention then, But like it was intention,
it was his intention. This intentionwas that of the psychopath, which

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in which the megalomania of the grandiosityof the dictator is what the world is
so ignorant as it can't even recognizeit. They think it's a leader when
it's obviously a megalomaniac. It willhappily kill the whole populace. In fact,
say that they deserved it, youknow, because they wanted to just
destroy the German people. They didn'tdeserve to live. They'd lost the war,

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So the degree of megalomania. Don'tforget how I was a psychiatrist for
fifty years, and very few peopleother than experienced psychiatrists really realized that what
the serious psychopathology of the megalomaniac.They'll they'll sign a treaty one day and
as you walk out the door,they're already laughing at you. You can

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go back in history and say whenNeville Chamberlain signed the peace agreement with Adolph
Hitler prior to World War Two,what was Hittler's response when he walked out
the door was that of scorn butan idiot. He really doesn't think I'm

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going to go along with this treaty. How stupid can you be? You
know? So the naivete I thinkof decent people is that we expect other
people are going to play by theMarquis of Queensbury rules. They have no
intention. They are street fighters andhitting you below the bells is exactly what

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they intend to do. So theywe tend to project our own personality on
other cultures and presume they're like us. They are not like us at all,
not the same values. Even thevalue of life itself is not valued
in many societies, don't even valuebeing alive. Well, if you don't

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value being alive, what can youexpect such people? You know? And
this is part of what's what yousee at play now with the comfort to
comfort Right now you see the megalomaniaagain. The it's what you see is
an appendix that's been neglected to seeand finally as festers and then the world

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has to react and the balance ofpower shifts around. Well, the world's
been at war throughout all the recordedtime. There's no time in human history
when there wasn't a war going on. In fact, at this time,
people think Iraq is the only war. The rock is not the only war.
There in half a dozen other warsgoing on for twenty years. In
the media, it just doesn't catchthe glamor of this war. This wars

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where glamorous wars or glamorous. InAfrica, there's civil wars have been going
on for twenty years with savagery thatmakes Sadam was saying, they look like
a boy Scott. They butcher eachother and cut each other's legs off,
and disembowel each other and take theirbrains out while they're still alive. I
mean, that's routine in Rwanda again, places like that. The UN just

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doesn't pay any attention to that becauseit doesn't make headlines. Doesn't make headlines
and there's no big money involved init. If all those people in those
African nations had great wealth, oh, then everybody, the UN and everybody
be all over it. They're poorcountry. Civil cares. They kill each
other the civil wars and going overtwenty years there they massacred to other day

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and then around the club nobody cares. Have you think worked out with the
calibrations of the mainstream media. Yeah, it's in the three hundreds. That
high. Huh, Yeah, wellit is not all the media, But
what about news in general, ifit's up around four hundred or so,

(39:22):
the main media is in the threehundreds, NBC News, CBS News,
all those you know, So that'sabove two hundred. That's integrious. It
is not highly intelligent. Highly intelligentwould be in the four hundreds. So
what they consider a balanced view isoffered quite skewed. Yeah. Well,

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you know, one thing we've noticedwith questions and interaction with or so since
particularly since nine eleven and since youknow, the warrantarism and all that stuff,
is people's trust level. Because they'reawakening more and questioning more, their
trust level is a a lot ofthings seems to be questioning, you know,
everything, and we get a lotof questions about, you know,

(40:07):
whether to trust the official story,whether to trust any anstream media coverage,
and where where the information is reallycoming from. They're questioning everything basically,
which I guess it's creating the senseof waking up. So what would your
take beyond that? Yes, yes, I think the effect of this war
is everyone on the planet more orless re examining their own view of ethics,

(40:30):
morality, responsibility. What is thedifference between nationalism and patriotism. I
think everybody's sort of re examining theirvalues is like a confrontation, a moral
confrontation, and therefore it certainly hasa certain therapeutic value and crisis. All

(40:52):
this forces people to re examine theirvalues and goals, the meaning of life,
and what they're willing to die for, if anything, or what they're
willing to have other people die for. Usually, Yeah, I remember one
woman, you know, I'm beinginterviewed on television, and she comes out
of some revolutionary cause. You know, a lot of people who died,

(41:15):
and so the commentators said to her, well, what about all the people
that died? She said, well, some people have you know, that's
just the price of the cause,because she meant her cause, because that
she was championing. Or whether allthe people who died wanted to die for

(41:35):
her causes another question, you know, So how do people take this in?
She like, what's the first stepfor people listening as far as applying
this application powers forced into their lives. Be aware that Number one, the
human mind is incapable of telling truthfrom falsehood. That, first of all,
is a confront to the ego,because everybody's ego thinks they can tell

(41:58):
truths from falsehood. However, whenyou calibrate the people on this planet,
you find that only twenty percent ofthe people are above two hundred. Eighty
percent of the people on the planetcalibrate below two hundred, which is below
the level of integrity, meaning theyare run by desire, fear, loss,

(42:19):
greed, get even this being rightwinning. It's really the minority of
the people on the planet that holdthe humanity together. And of course the
reason they do is because they're sofar more powerful. So when you calibrate
these energies, you're calibrating levels ofpower. People at the bottom are very

(42:43):
destructive and more numerous than people atthe top. But the people at the
top have more power in that theirconsciousness tends to dominate the field. So
people who are dedicated to peace,sincerity, compassion, love, charity,
they radiate into the world an energyfield which counterbalances thousands of people who are

(43:08):
thinking negative thoughts. The negative thoughtsare weak, they're weak by comparison,
So all you need is one fieldof gravity to hold the whole universe together,
so those elements in society which havehold truth then tend to counterbalance so

(43:30):
that the world doesn't disappear into selfdestruction. You know, it's close to
it. Any The Russians had agreat superbomb design which if they lost the
war with the United States, woulddestroy all life on Earth, and they're
actually into this super nuclear bomb.Intelligent when you look at the degree to

(43:58):
which the human mind is prone tome madness, you know the way you
know right now on the other sideof the world are people who believe that,
you know, the suicide bombers thatyou know you go to heaven if
you blow up a bustlo to thirtychildren on the way to school. I
mean, that's madness. Is suchan extreme degree, extreme degree, I

(44:22):
mean really extreme, and the thousandsof people can actually believe that. It's
frightening because of the truth. It'sfrightening to think that the bottom way is
we can't evolve to higher levels,like just because we calibrate now today at
a certain level, we can evolveto a higher level. Yes, but
we're extremely fortunate, we're extremely rareand to be able to reason, to

(44:43):
look at logic and truth and examinewhat is truth is really quite a rare
gift and tell people who are moreconscious and aware and dedicate the spiritual principles
you know, are really quite rarenumerically speaking in the America. But their
power on the pilot is quite quiteenormous. So true power much stronger than

(45:07):
force ground as our awareness goes outwith that, right, that's the evolution
of consciousness and the spiritually urented person, their consciousness is moving faster than the
rest of the human race, sothey're often at some disparity with the way
the populace they view something because they'removing ahead, and their goal is not

(45:31):
worldly gain but internal realization of thetruth, and so their goals are somewhat
their disparity the world is primarily init and being right and winning those the
only two things I really care about. Win and be right. Well,
we have our work cut out forus, but I thank you for joining

(45:52):
us today. This has been avery enlightening hour and I hope we can
do it again. I'd love totalk to you when your next book comes
up. Okay, thank you somuch, Larrie, Thank you doctor Hawkins.
Right. Okay, ye, well, may I say that I have
heard this before and the chairwoman isreminding me of this, but that you're

(46:14):
considered the Oprah of the internet airways. I would say, so, you're
bringing so much information and you're onangel Network. Like Obra has her Angelic
Network, here's his spiritual network andit's powerful. Hey, this is Dave
Morehaus and you're listening to News forthe Soul. I know, co I
just think you're awesome. I loveyour show. I just want to do

(46:35):
this. You know that you're great, and thank you for your show,
thank you for your love, thankyou for all the people that you have
on bike. I've just been infor all that I've listened to. You
know so much in the arts.I have turned so many people onto listening.
I just think it's fabulous and definitelywant to be able to support you

(46:58):
in your endeavors. Cole. It'spurty Angel. Cole. Congratulations you're back
on the air. I've just listeningto the jay Z interview. A First
of all, I just got toabsolutely compliment you on giving one of the
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and sum themselves up in one hourwas a work of genius. The cop

(47:22):
no wonder. These people are likeafter after the thing, talking about you
and saying how wonderful it was.It was incredible. And second he was
the information. She absolutely blew meaway. I mean, unbelievable, freaky.
But we're going there. You knowthat we're all going there, Santiago,
And I was somewhere on your website. By the way, it's changed
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for me, as we talked aboutlast time. We're in this window,
as you know, between now intwenty twelve, which gives us just a
little bit more than six years,I go off on my grand adventures to

(52:29):
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and in fact it is, andthat's from an embryology point of view,
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doctor Jeffrey Long of the Near DeathExperience Research Foundation that you can find online
at ender dot org nd r Fdot org. And he's actually a practicing
physician out of Tacoma, Washington,and he's done years of research in this
field, has lots of stories totell. So today we embark on the

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uplifting to the unexplained. I thinkwe've got it covered and I think we've
got doctor Jeffer Long on the line. Now, as we mentioned before going
to break, we're talking about neardeath experiences on News for the Soul.
Now, doctor Long has done extensiveresearch. You can find him online at
n D E r F dot org. And let's welcome him on and start

(58:57):
the adventure. Dr Long, Welcometo news It's all, what's my pleasure
to be here. We've got alot to talk about. Believe me,
we do well. This is oneof our favorite topics here because of course
it's one of the most fear generatingtopic, you know, for the mainstream
kind of world. And you've donea lot of research as far as what

(59:19):
happens potentially after we die. SoI want to start kind of how you
got into this. You know,what drew you to doing this work at
this research. Oh? Absolutely,And that's a really good question here.
I am a physician, and youknow from all of you that have interacted
with physicians, we're very evidence basedpeople. We tend not to believe things

(59:39):
that are outside of reproducible every dayyou know, somewhat narrowed reality type of
thinking. And yet here I amas a physician that is studying extensively near
death experience. Well, the wayI got started actually is quite interesting.
Many many years ago, I hadan experience that literally rocked my life.

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And we could get into that ifwe have time. But it led me
to understand that there's clearly something goingon outside of everyday normal reality. And
I understood that deep down to thesoul. At that point in time.
And it was actually four years laterthat I understood that it was a spiritual
experience. And so that got meto thinking, what does that mean?

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What I mean by a spiritual experience? What is that greater reality? What
can I really learn? And sopart of that journey, part of that
search led me to develop the NearDeath Experience Research Foundation, And so I
set up a website. It's INDERFdot org and the sole purpose of that
website was for people to share experienceswhere they nearly died and had an experience

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that was dramatic, where they werelucid, that occurred when they were unconscious,
what should be medically inexplicable and yethappened. And I wanted to learn
from that. I wanted to Iguess if you could say early on,
I was somewhat selfish. I wantto people to share and basically extend themselves
so that I could learn. Andthat was over ten years ago. At

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this point in time, can yougive us the nutshell version of what happened
to you before you move forward sowe can kind of relate to your adventure
there. Oh, absolutely, itwas one of these dreams that is absolutely
not a dream. It was reallymore of a vision that the technical term.
As I've grown now after having thousandsof people share their experiences with me,

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it was a true vision. Itwas part of this vision. I
saw a very mystical light that wasunlike anything that could possibly exist on earth,
and then it's part of that vision. I absolutely died. I don't
think I died, maybe died possiblyin this vision, I understood that I
died, And as I was comingback towards earthly reality, he came to
the point where basically the same sensethat I'd had with prior dreams that came

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true or that I understood were real, happened, but ten hundred times more
fold than I'd ever experience before.And so I really understood that this was
a real, real experience. Andthere were some other things that were highly
collaborative to me at the time.Understand, I'm a very evidence based physician.
I treat cancer. I can't affordto let false hope or wishful thinking

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guide my evidence based decision where people'slives literally depend on it. And so
it was the same soul search here. It had to be that same type
of reality, that same type ofprofound, deep understanding that this was real
before I would even start the search, and BOYD believe me, after that
experience, I was ready to startthe search. So you put the website

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together and started searching just over adecade ago. What kind of I mean,
how did you start collecting the stories? Well, I was curious that
you know, after a period ofmany, many years, I came to
understood that understand that I had aspiritual experience and that there was something more
going on in the universe than youcould necessarily measure or objectively quantify by every

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scientific tool that I had been taughtmy entire life, that there was much
much going going on in terms ofus as beings than I had ever been
taught in medical school. And soas part of me learning that, I
turned to the greatest mentors that Ipossibly could, that being people that have
actually had near death experiences. Soin August nineteen ninety eight, I set

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up the Near Death Experience Research Foundationon NDERF and that was the beginning of
the journey. And why did youstart finding out? Well, I was
open minded. I've always, thankgoodness, tended to be open minded and
say be very evidence based. Sothe evidence had to lead me to my

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conclusions that I have today, andthe evidence that I was relying on were
people sharing those most exceptional experiences thatthey'd ever had in their life. Near
death experiences. I didn't know whatI would find when I first put up
the website. In fact, itactually wasn't Although I started in August nineteen
ninety eight with a website, itwasn't until December nineteen ninety eight that I

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could download our first batch of twentytwo people that miraculously had found my website
even though it was not highly rankedin the search engines at that time,
and downloaded it and said, well, teach me, show me what you
have seen, share what you haveseen through your own eyes with what you
can share with me in words,and I was blown away. I was

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absolutely astounded. There was no doubtimmediately after reading even less than the first
two dozen people that ever shared withme, that clearly something can happen at
the time of death. You canhave even while unconscious, even while clinically
deaf, you can have these typesof highly lucid organized experiences. And I
was astounded, intrigued. Even backin nineteen ninety eight, there seemed to

(01:04:47):
be an amazing pattern to these experiences. I was astonished and I wanted to
learn more, so I encouraged peopleto continue sharing on the website. And
now today one thousand six h peoplehave shared near death experiences. So now
I've learned, shall we say,one heck of a lot more so.
I mean, I'm trying to kindof go back in time a little bit

(01:05:09):
as you're talking, because you know, these were Now it's sort of become
a stereotypical image of you know,leaving the body and going down the ton
of love light and the life reviewand all that stuff from the being of
light at the end of it.You know, is this sort of still
the typical vision that happens most times? Well, you know, I have

(01:05:30):
to admit something. Here's a trueconfession. I also had that stereotypical view
of near death experience when I startedresearching this. I'd read Raymond Moody and
some of the other very early worksabout near death experience, and there's sort
of a media model about near deathexperience that's really pretty much exactly as you
just described to the listeners. Youhave that out of body experience to see

(01:05:50):
your body often not breathing now,often without a heartbeat, you go through
the tunnel, you may have intenselypositive feelings or that mystical light at the
end of the tunnel. You mayencounter deceased relatives, you may have a
life review. Very often there's thatborder or seeming end of the experience where
a decision has to be made aboutreturning to Earth or not. And interestingly,

(01:06:14):
most people don't run a return atthat point in time because they really
understand they're in a place far betterthan Earth. And yet, for a
variety of reasons, people do returnto Earth, and then some of them
tell their tale with us. Andso even though you say there's a stereotypical
or a preconceived model of the neardeath experience, let me assure you and
your listeners that there are no twonear death experiences that have ever encountered out

(01:06:39):
of over a thousand that are absolutelythe same. Every two near death experiences
are absolutely different. And yet throughoutby the time you review that many near
death experiences, I have that typeof consistency, that type of pattern is
overwhelmingly clear. There's no doubt thatthat's a part of the pattern. Even
if no two near death experiences arethe same. Interesting, I don't know

(01:07:02):
if you were aware of it.For the first two years of news for
the Full Radio, my co hostwas Daniel Brinkley, so of course I
had picked his brain extensively on theissue whenever I could. Well, I've
met him personally, he's a he'sa heck of a great guy. I
used to call him famous dead guy, dead guy times too. He died

(01:07:24):
twice, as you know, andyeah, so, but he definitely had
that sort of you know, patternhappening in his So what editive things have
you found over the years then thatdon't fit that pattern? Well again,
you know, since no two neardeath experiences are the same, we've we
found a whole lot about this,you know. I guess what's more impressive

(01:07:47):
is to me is that there reallyis a pattern. I mean, when
you when your heart stops beating whenyou clinically die. Of course, once
your heart stops beating, immediately bloodflow stops flowing to your brain. And
obviously, but a number of researchershave studied electro andcephalogram measurements of brain activity,

(01:08:08):
that's brain electrical activity, and veryclearly and consistently across multiple studies,
ten to fifteen seconds after your heartstops beating, you do not have any
brain electrical activity. So therefore,at that point in time, it is
absolutely impossible to have a conscious,lucid, organized experience. You cannot have

(01:08:28):
a memory at that point in time. It is the way we understand medicine,
the way I was taught medicine.It is medically inexplicable. And yet
that is the time that people havenear death experiences. That's the time they're
in that out of body phase,they see their resuscitation efforts. We've had
Oh gosh, if I had anickel for every near death experience, or
that described a flat EKG measurement oftheir heart activity, over and over and

(01:08:51):
over. So there's no question thatthat's the time that it really happens.
This should be impossible, and yetthousands of thousands of people. In fact,
a Gallup poll published in nineteen eightytwo suggested that about five percent of
Americans have had a near death experience. So millions of people, and undoubtedly
many people listening to this show tonight, have had a near death experience.

(01:09:14):
It should be absolutely medically inexplicable.There's no medical explanation at all,
and yet without any shadow of adoubt. It's really really happening here.
As a physician too, I mean, have you encountered this with patients?
You know what's really interesting is itas a physician, I am very aware.
And let me back up a littlebit. I'm physicians. All have

(01:09:36):
medical specialties. My medical specialty isradiation oncology. I use radiation to treat
cancer. I'm a specialist. Patientsthat have cancer have seen other doctors.
Almost always, by the time theysee me, they know they have cancer.
They know that radiation might have animportant role to help them potentially even
cure their life. So that's allbeen the conversation or understanding patients have when

(01:09:59):
they come and see there really notthere to say, Oh, doctor Long,
let me tell you about this neardeath experience I had. You really
have to draw that out from them. In fact, I've been doing this
for so many years and been onso many media events, including but not
limited to, ABC News with PeterJennings, Fox News, The Learning Channel,
on and on and on, andinnumerable radio shows such as this one.

(01:10:20):
So probably more often than not,when people are aware that doctor Long
has studied near death experience, it'snot because I tell them or because they
ask, or because they feel somoved at the time of our consultation or
physician patient interactions to share it.It's because they talk to other staff and
they say, hey, you knowthat doctor Long, he's you ought to

(01:10:42):
talk to him if you've had anear death experience, he's interested in that,
or much more commonly, they goto the website and say, well,
if I'm going to trust my lifeto this doctor Jeffrey Long, who
is he? And then learn somethingfrom him on the internet. And of
course if you go to the internet, my Near Death Experience website is so
prominent there that is very very obvious, very quickly to anybody that looks up

(01:11:04):
my name that that's my interest.And so that's been the great majority of
patients that share their near death experiencekind of had that. I will hate
to say permission because I share,I give permission to anybody to share with
me, but they really feel thatit's okay, based on awareness of my
openness and acceptance and research and neardeath experience to share with me. And

(01:11:27):
that's how it happens. So puttingall this together, over these years of
collecting the research and the stories,what is maybe give us a couple examples
of something that just really made youknow that there was something huge going on
here, that this was real andabsolute. Okay, that's a great question,

(01:11:50):
and I will tell you my veryfirst near death experience I ever encountered
as a position. I was backin Iowa City, Iowa, where I
did my residency training, and inthe winter time in Iowa. Guess what,
there's not all like of a lotyou can do. You go out
and throw back some bruise like alot of other people do in Iowa City.
But I had some friends visiting fromChicago, and my friend had a

(01:12:13):
wife. I knew him from college. I was in my residency training and
my medical specialty of radiation oncology,and my friend's wife was there and she
was just flipped off that she hadhad an allergic reaction while she was undergoing
an operation and coded and died onthe operating table and that was all she
said. Well, I said,huh. She said that in such an
odd and mystical and almost questioning manner, and I didn't get it. So

(01:12:38):
I paused for thirty seconds, andliterally my entire future research potential laid in
limbo as I thought about whether Iwould or would not ask that one critical
question. I finally did after abouta half a minute. I said,
and I knew I would potentially feelstupid about asking this, but I said,
ah, you know, I'm adoctor. I could blame it on
a few bruis, I threw back. So I asked the question, Okay,

(01:13:00):
you died on the operating room table. They measure that with heart beats,
so you know that that you're monitoredvery carefully. When they say you
die, they know they died.So you died on the operating room table.
Did anything happen after that? Anythingpossibly happened? And you know,
I thought that was stupid. Imean, you can't. You're under general
anesthesias. You can have no memoryduring that time, right, and you

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have a cardiac arrest. Remember Isaid, in ten to fifteen seconds,
your electro own cephalogram goes flat andyou can't have a memory, right.
So you have two independently functioning reasonswhy she could not possibly have had an
organized memory of what happened next.But I asked, and that was the
most significant, profound and meaningful questionpotentially I've ever asked in my life.

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And she said, immediately after askingwhy, yes, I do have a
memory, I do have a recollection. She had what's very typical of near
death experiences, a very even thoughshe had absolutely no possible reason medically for
her to have an organized memory atthe time, she believed me she did.
She had an out of classic,out of body experience. She saw

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the frantic resuscitation efforts going on.Now, her near death experience was amazing
in the fact that her consciousness driftedfrom that point out of body, outside
of the operating room into the nursingarea where she had been an impatient at
at the hospital, and from thatvantage point she could see and hear what
the nurses were saying. At thetime she was clinically dead under general anesthesia

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and being resuscitated far away in anoperating room. And if that doesn't bother
your mind, it should. Andshe was right. I mean, she
later confirmed everything she saw. Andyou know, I've heard a lot of
stories like that where people went intoother rooms there's confirmed things that they couldn't
have known, you know, thatwere going on while they were out.

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We've heard a lot of those stories. So that's certainly including from Danian.
Yeah, I mean, you know, everybody needs to take a step back
and say, even though you've heardthose stories, take a step back and
understand that that is absolutely I mean, impossible is an overused word. But
if you're under general anesthesia, ifyou have no blood flowing to your brain,

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to have a highly organized conscious experiencewith your consciousness is outside and far
removed from that area. And furthermore, if your observations are absolutely later proven
to be correct, that is impossible. And that's exactly what I heard on
my first near death experience. That'swhat I heard related to me, And
I said, you know, andthen then she went through the tunnel and
had a life review, and youknow, met all sorts of deceased relatives

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and very very intensely positive, pleasantemotions as typical as near death experiences.
And I said, this is incredible. I said, if that is true,
if upon hearing my first near deathexperience, hearing what undoubtedly your listeners
have heard in the past on thisshow, if that's really true, then
that really changes my view of theuniverse. And that's what led to me

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developing my Near death Experience website andlearning more about it and basically trying to
nail down is this true or isthis not? And that's been my journey
for the last ten years. Well, that's the thing, and it has
to change your view of the universeif you know, if that many people
are having come you know, thingsthat you can confirm and back up,

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and you know, compare with scientificdata. I mean, what about all
of these theories that they throw atyou as far as what might be causing
these you know, so called neardeaf things. I mean they call them
hallucinations or dream state things or youknow. Okay, well, well I

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don't I hesitate to interrupt, butyou mentioned too word hallucinations and dreams,
and I want to review to theextent we have time, every possible alternative
explanation for near death experience that youcan possibly come up with. Let's start
with those two hallucinations. Medically speaking, hallucination is an unreal perceptual experience,

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which the bottom line is, hasno basis in reality. I've talked to
innumerable patients that have had hallucinations undera variety of circumstances, due to lack
of oxygen, due to drug experiences, due to psychotic separations. What is
extremely clear to me and every otherresearcher, and there's been a whole bunch

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that have looked at this is that, And even at this point in time,
even the most stern and rigid skepticsof near death experiences, none of
them, including myself or anybody else, believes that near death experiences are hallucinations.
Clearly, clearly, there's something goingon that is absolutely apart from what
we medically consider to be a hallucination. I could talk for literally an hour

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on that. I won't talk yourears off. You want to keep your
ears on, so to your listeners. So let's trust me on this that
no skeptic that exists in the worldtoday thinks that near death experiences are hallucinations.
What about dreams? You've had dreams, I've had dreams. Every one
of your listeners has probably had adream where they had some type of a

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remarkable, dramatic experience. They mayhave felt they were in a different world,
I mean, mammothly different from everydayearthly reality. Why aren't your death
experiences dreams? How do I know? Well, let me tell you the
very first survey, when I putit up on the website to study near
death experiences, I asked the veryopen ended question, was your experience dream

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like in any way? And Ideliberately worded it that way because I wanted
people to say, yes, itwas dream like, if it was dream
like in any way, and that'sactually biased the way I worded the question
for people to say, if itwas dreamlike in even a microcosm of fraction,
a minute shift, part of theexperience that was dream like, I

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wanted to hear about it, anddo you know why I'm no longer answering
that question? Do you want toknow? As the feedback I got from
that was overwhelming. Virtually everybody thatanswered that said not only no, but
hell no. It's like, don'tyou understand, don't you get it?
I mean, this wasn't even closeto being dreamlike. I mean virtually everybody's

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had dreams. So people that havehad near death experiences that shared on my
website, virtually all of them havehad dreams, and they know the difference.
They can compare and contrast them.If they were at all similar in
any way, I would expect tosee some significant percentage of positive answers.
Affirmative answers. There were none,essentially none. Virtually everybody said no,
no way, there is no resemblanceat all. And so the bottom line

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is our work, consistent with thework of multiple other researchers, is absolutely
clear. And in fact, Imight add, even the sternest, most
unreasonable and hardcore bizarre skeptics of neardeath experience no longer think that near death
experiences have anything to do with dreams. They don't. People that have had

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near death experiences know that. They'vetold me times hundreds there is no resemblance
between a near death experience and adream, none, absolutely none at all.
Well, also, you were saying, if there's no brain activity at
the point, you know what you'retalking about, after that point, how
could they be dreaming? Anyway?You know, you raise a really good
point, and I'm glad you broughtthat up. If you have a flat

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electro encephalogram, which is a measureof brain electrical activity, you can't dream,
you can't think, you can't haveeven fragmented memories, you can't have
frightening, disorganized memories. You've gotnothing flat is flat. I mean,
you know we all watch the TVshows and the movies where electro encephalograms go

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flat. Well, that tells youthere's no heart activity. This is an
order of magnitude worse, this isno brain electrical activity. You've got nothing.
You have no potential to form eventhe most rudimentary, primitive, disorganized
thought. There is no medical explanationfor any memory whatsoever at that point in
time. And yet, as Isaid, that's when people have these conscious

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remembrances of near death experiences, thenear death experiences, that's when they remember
things. That's when they see themselvesbeing resuscitated. That's when they're having these
out of body experiences. And toreiterate my previous point, there is absolutely
no medical explanation for a conscious memoryat that point in time. And they

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come back different sometimes, Oh dothey. I'm writing a book chapter on
how they come back different. Youwant to hear about it. I'll bet
you do. I'll bet your listenersdo. Hold onto your seat. Because
what happens when you nearly die?What happens when you visit those heavenly realms?
Why on earth you return? Howdoes that change you? How do

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you live life differently? If youknow that life isn't the endpoint? How
do you know? How do youlive life if you know that you're not
going to die? That death,or isn't really the end if there's much
much more more to our earthly existencethan we ever possibly knew. Well,
obviously, that's been a tremendously significanttopic to me and as well as a

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number of near death experience researchers.Now, the interesting thing is we've all
come up with exactly the same conclusions. I don't want to boast about it
will a little bit, and thatis our one thousand, six hundred near
death experiences we've reviewed nearly doubles orat least duplicates the entire prior published near

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death experience research known in the historyof the world. So you know,
I'm not saying this just based ona small number of near death experiences.
I'm saying this based on the factthat I have personally reviewed, studied,
analyzed, and reached conclusions from amammoth number of experiences. And moreover,
I've read what basically anybody else haswritten about what we call near death experience

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after effects is written, And here'sreally the bottom line. It takes near
death experiences after the experience a lotof time to process and learn and grow
from the experience. I mean,take a step back, put yourself in
the in the in the shoes.Somebody who's had a near death experience,
they nearly died, they came veryvery close to death. I mean,

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they're they're physically recovering, their bodyis mending. They're trying to deal with
the fact and deal with their friends, family and loved ones from from nearly
dying. And that's a process.It takes a while. It takes a
few months, usually to years.It actually takes on the average, and
this is a little bit of astartling statistic for most people, but it's
been pretty well documented. It takesmany years, perhaps as many as an

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average of seven years, for peopleto fully integrate their near death experience into
their life, to really learn tosome substantial degree the lessons that that experience
has to teach them. So whatexactly are these lessons are? What are
we talking about? Well, firstand foremost, almost all near death experiences
no longer fear death. That shouldbe obvious. They experienced death, they

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saw what happened after death. They'renot afraid. In fact, they realized
that it was an enormously positive,pleasant experience. They realized that our time
on earth is you know, thisisn't an endpoint. This is simply a
step on our spiritual journey. Thatthere is an afterlife, and it's wonderful,
and in fact, it it's vastlymore, vastly more positive than their
experience on earth. And they understandthat not from faith or not from hope,

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but from personal experience. And soof course virtually none of them fear
death, but above and beyond that, they have a very much more positive
attitude toward life. They understand thattheir time on earth is meaningful and purposeful,
that we're here for a reason,that there's lessons to be learned.
They're much more positive, and they'reloving relationships. Oh goodness, can I
editorialize just a little bit? Willyou give me permission? Okay, if

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you can find a near death experienceor seek them out talk with them,
and especially if you can form arelationship with a near death experience or they
tend to be and this is sortof, you know, not widely known,
but they tend to be much moreloving individuals. They've sort of seen
that ultimate love, that ultimate consciousness, that ultimate expression of what we're all

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here for. People that can reallyrelate to near death experiencers at the level
that they've really learned is important.They they're much more positive in their relationships.
They're much more deep, much moreprofound. They value relationships much more.
How can I say this gently?They're they're great spouses, They're great
soulmates, They're great people that youwant to know in any aspect of your

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life. They have a lot toteach and learn, and they have a
lot to share. But there's moreto it than that. I mean,
above and beyond that near death experiencers. You know, while it may be
you know, of course they've they'vebeen through a lot through their near death
experience. But yet above and beyondthat, they tend to be much more
positive. They tend to be muchmore optimistic. They tend to value life

(01:25:59):
more. They tend to reduce theirdesire to achieve monetary wealth. Believe it
or not, I mean, andthat they slap in the face of all
that we ever learned as capitalists.But it's true. I see that over
and over and over, and sodo many other near death experience researchers.
Money isn't the endpoint of why weare here. It's love, it's loving

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relationships, it's learning our lessons,and that's much much more important than the
dollar you make at the end ofthe day. That is a profound lesson
that substantial majority of near death experiencesafter a while, grow to understand and
it really changes them. It changestheir values, their perceptions, and very
often near death experiences change the jobthey have so they can better reflect those

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values. I am saying that allof the over one thousand reports that you've
brought in from near death experiences,they're all they all had a positive near
death experience. Well, gosh,over a thousand near death experiences. Absolutely
not. The first thing I learnedas a near death experience researcher is that

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every time I say always or never, I'm wrong again. There is no
absolute about near death experiences. Theexperiences people are have are our legion.
They're varied. So by the timeyou get to a thousand near death experiencers,
there's always at one, two,three, or four percent that have
very different, very unusual experiences.And well, you've talked to Daniel Brinkley,

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and I suspect you've talked to othernear death experiences, so I'll bet
you know. What I know isthat a few percent of near death experiences
can be frightening or even hellish.Is that where we're headed. Yeah,
well, I mean I was atleast having I understand they'd have that different
perspective, whether it was a positiveor negative experience, like they went somewhere
or did something, but they'll notfear death or maybe ninety five ninety eight

(01:27:57):
percent don't fear death. I mean, I'll never say, you know,
I don't want to generalize about peoplebecause that's wrong, and that's not really
true everybody. There's so many individualshere and they have their own background.
Even people that have such a profoundexperience as a near death experience, you
cannot say one hundred percent of thesepeople will go on to have this belief
that it just simply doesn't happen thatway. I can tell you that compared

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to the population that has not hada near death experience, it's overwhelming how
little the near death experiencers do notfear death, how much they value loving
relationships, how relatively little they valuematerialism in this world we live in,
No question about that as being aunmistakable trend, not seen by just me,

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but actually by many many researchers beforeme. But yeah, there's and
you know, we talk about positivenear death experiences we talked about overwhelmingly positive
feelings. In fact, a lotof near death experiencers I think Danian was
one of them who said, duringtheir experience, they realize that Earth is
not their home. I mean,are you all sitting down and listening to
this? That's startling, isn't it? I mean a little bit, we

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live, we were born here,we lived through. This isn't Earth our
home. I mean what what what? What else could be home? If
Earth isn't our home? And yetthat's the startling realization, the startling wisdom,
if you will, that your deathexperiences are sharing with me and everybody
else in the world that listens tothem, and that is this isn't our

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real home. Our real home isthat realm that they existed in, that
where they're living in, that verypositive, that overwhelmingly blissful area. I
mean, the landscapes of beauty beyondanything that exists on this earth, where
all the people that ever died beforethem are with them and in full health.
That's their home. And it's notan illusionary home. It is a

(01:29:47):
real home. It makes it toughon your death experiences to realize that they're
not living in their home. Righthere, that their home lies beyond that,
their lone home lies, if youwill, in heaven. What about
I mean, how do you comefrom a knowing on that? You know?
Like I know you've you've had alot of research done over many years,

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and there's a lot of common ground, and none of them feel that
it was, you know, adream kind of saint or whatever, and
it was very real for them.How do you know? Boy, that's
the million dollar question. Okay,are you sitting down? I'm gonna that's
a very important question, and Ialways wish more people would ask me that

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you and probably all of your listenersare saying, Hey, this is really
interesting. Here's a position. Here'sa guy who's listened to over one thousand
near death experiences, and he's nottalking using words hypothesis or possible or probable.
I seem to be using words thatexpress a knowing. And you're very
intuitive to pick up on that,and very correct. I might add,

(01:30:53):
I seem to be talking as ifI have a sense that this is deeper
than just simply wishful thinking or orpossibilities, and I'll be very glad to
address that. I guess you haveto take a step back and know me.
I mean, you hear me talklike this, it would be hard
for you or others that are listeningto this program to understand that doctor Long
is a very evidence based physician.I make my decisions based solely on evidence.

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I want to say, I mean, prove me is my mantra.
Prove it to me. Prove tome that that is the way things are,
that that's the way things really exist. And in the event that you
can't or won't prove it to me, I don't believe it. And so
based on that background, which Ihave felt and continue to feel to this
day, I have looked at theevidence of near death experience. I have

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looked critically at how much can Ibelieve these out of body experiences? How
accurate were there observations in the outof body state? Medically speaking from my
own medical background, how accurate weretheir observations of their own resuscitation. I'll
give you a hint. It's notlike what you see on TV. It's
different. I've lived in the realworld. I know how it really goes,

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and that's what the near death experiencesdescribe. Well, what about when
they, like the first near deathexperience, I experienced. How accurate are
their observations even away from their ownphysical body? How do you know?
How can you verify that? I'vegone through this hundreds of times. I've
made a formal study of this usingthe best scientific methods that I possibly can,

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and a variety of other aspects ofnear death experience. And so the
short version of this, By theway, I'm writing a book, and
you're one of the first people tohear about this, or I'm going to
go into this in detail, andI wouldn't believe just my comments without seeing
it in detail myself either, Butbelieve me what I'm going to document in
this book. We're using the bestscientific methods that I possibly can, scientific

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methods accepted by any serious, crediblescientists anywhere else in the world. I
have documented, to my own satisfactionand the satisfaction of I think vast numbers
of other people, the near deathexperience is for real, that this stuff
really happens. Consciousness does apparently leavethe body. That what people see here
and use basically all their sensory organsand actually a sixth organ that being intuition

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when they're in the out of bodystate, is for real. Their life
reviews for real. It's realistic.Occasionally they see future visions of what will
be expected on Earth in the future. Hey, Danian did that too,
by the way, and I'm sureyou shared that in years gone by.
From the near death experiences I've studied, disappears to be startlingly for real.

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So the bottom line is near deathexperience is for real. You don't have
to take my word and you don'thave to take it on faith. When
the book comes out in the yeara year and a half, read it,
decide for yourself. Okay, Well, they'll have to get back on
the show when that comes out aswell and talk some more about that.
Believe me, who do you knowbeen dead the longest in all of these

(01:33:54):
different studies. Okay, I'm gonnatake a step back because as a physician,
I've actually had direct communications with peoplethat have Boy, there are some
well popularized near death experiences where peoplepurported that they were dead for over a

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day. I'm not going to namenames, that I will say I am
skeptical about that. First and foremostreality, I have talked directly with physicians
who have done research articles about peoplethat have been dead, especially children,
for thirty minutes or more. Predominantlypeople that are dead thirty minutes or more

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and are successfully resuscitated. At leastyears ago, where children and very often
they were drowning accidents in ice water. They'd break through ice and their body
was cooled almost immediately from being inice water, and they had the ability
to apparently not be able to breatheor have their heart stop for half an

(01:34:55):
hour more and were successfully resuscitated withminimal or no neurologic damage. However,
there's been some recent efforts at resuscitatingpeople and it was actually done at the
University of Pittsburgh interestingly and potentially someother centers where more and more, just
within the last several years, they'reresuscitating people that have apparently been clinically dead
for over thirty minutes, even adultsand not necessarily those that had their life

(01:35:21):
threatening event as associated with ice waterdrowning. Now, what's really really interesting
about this is that we're going tohave more and more of these people have
near death experiences. In fact,there was an interesting TV show and I
won't mention the channel, but theywere talking with me about this near death
experiencer who you know, went throughthese really really truly cutting edge resuscitation efforts

(01:35:43):
where we're getting people turned back andbrought back to life, whereas even five
years ago it would have been consideredimpossible. And of course, more and
more of these people are going tohave near death experiences. And so,
the best I can tell, you'rean adult, your chance of being resuscitated
to successfully after no heartbeat and respiortationfor thirty minutes very very small, but
not zero, and a lot betternow than it was five years ago.

(01:36:08):
You get out beyond an hour almostcertainly zero. So but that's medical science
advances on. If there's one thingI respect as a physician, We're getting
smarter and more knowledgeable and more effectivein how we administer our medical practice day
after day, week after week,year after year. We've got you've got
a better chance of having a cardiacarrest and being resuscitated today than you ever

(01:36:30):
had before, and in the futurean even greater chance, and a lot
of these people will have near deathexperiences. Has anyone tried to This is
kind of an obscure question, butit's just coming to mind as you're talking,
But has anyone tried to kind oflike in that you know movie Flatliners.
I don't know if you ever sawit, but I think anyone tried

(01:36:51):
to induce the experiments. Gosh,if I had to take hold for every
time I've had to talk with themnow, yeah, sure, yeah,
yeah yeah. Number one. Okay, you got just a couple of minutes
from me to respond to that,because that's an important question. Gee,
you go to a wondrous realm,you learn all these great things, you

(01:37:12):
have great after effects. Shouldn't weall be inducing near death experiences? Number
one? Suicides people that try totake their own life, They try to
die by their own hand. Whatdo they learn? What wisdom can we
learn from their experiences? Well,gosh, I've only studied a few hundred
of those over the years gone by, you know, coupled with the research
of a vast number of suicide NDEsnear death experiences by my research colleagues.

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Let me tell you and every listener, the first piece of wisdom that comes
from suicides that attempt suicide and havea near death experience is ay, quickly
learn is part of their experience thatthey made a huge mistake, that suicide
is wrong. In fact, thesubstantial, the overwhelming majority of people that
have a near death experience as aresult of suicide, do not try suicide

(01:38:00):
again, because they understood from theirexperience that's wrong. They're here on earth
for purpose, their life has meaning, and under no circumstances will they try
to kill themselves again. So that'sreally critical. But number two, I've
been approached by shall we say,too many media mobiles who say, gosh,
wouldn't this be great? We caninduce a near death experience or someone

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nearly to die and see what happensme And consistent with all other ethical near
death experience researchers, will have nothingto do with anybody that tries to induce
a near death experience and then triesto make a media topic of it,
And in fact, we will seeto it that they are prosecuted legally and
that they are prosecuted to the fullestextent of the law through civil action to

(01:38:43):
make sure that that is discouraged.You do not try to take your own
life. Yes, near death experienceis wonderful, it's glorious for the great
majority of people. But it isa gift. It is not a gift
that we can choose to try toachieve. It is something that happens serendipitous
play is a consequence of an unexpected, unplanned event, and anybody that crosses

(01:39:03):
that line, me and a wholebunch of near death experiencers stand ready to
near death experience near death experience researchers. We stand to come down on like
a ton of bricks if anybody crossesthat ethical line. I hope up clear
on that. Yeah, And it'salways good to mention. You know.
Years ago I was interviewing doctor LeePhulos and we were talking about how many

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people had been struck by lightning andcome back with psychic abilities, Danny included,
and you know, we had todo the same kind of disclosure,
kind of you know, disclaimer onthe air. Please do not go and
electrocute yourself after the show, Thankyou very much. But you know,
it comes to mind as you're talking. So I'm glad. I wonder if
they were quite as eloquent as Iwas, or as forceful any anybody tries

(01:39:45):
to induce this. There are legal, civil and you know, and variety
of the always say criminal and civilconsequences of that kind of behavior. And
believe me, me and a wholebunch of Indie researchers stand ready, willing,
and I dare say able to comedown hard on anybody that crosses that
line. Thou shalt not try tokill yourself. And by the way,

(01:40:08):
that's that's what your death experiences understandtoo. I mean, that's that's coming
from on high as well. It'snot just indie researchers. More importantly,
you just don't want to do that. If you if you feel like killing
yourself or you feel like ending yourlife, talk to your primary care healthcare
team, call a suicide crisis line. That is the right thing to do.
And you're hearing that from someone who, believe me, is speaking from

(01:40:29):
somewhat of a position of knowledge orunderstanding. Okay, So that having been
said, that all of this together, you've done the research, you've you
personally are coming from you know,there's enough evidence it's real periods. So
oh, by the way, letme tell you I'm not alone and coming
to that conclusion. Virtually every personwho has in your death experience has the

(01:40:54):
same conclusion I have. They justhappen to come to it a lot quicker.
Not kidding, your death experience isreal. Ask anybody who's had one,
Well, you know, what doesthis mean in the big picture of
the meaning of life and all ofthat. Let's pull it together to that
place. What is your theory onthat? Now? Oh, I don't
have a theory. Can I beless than humble? Please? Please?

(01:41:15):
Okay? Please do I would beanyway. I'm kidding. So I've heard
so many people we studied this,we studied near death experiencers come back and
they have some insights into what we'redoing here on earth. I'll answer that
it happens to do with lessons oflove. It happens to do with relationships,
especially loving relationships, and very typicallyloving relationships with their family and especially

(01:41:39):
children. That seems to be oneof the dominant reasons that people are aware
that they need to return from theheavenly realms back down to Earth to continue
to live their life. By theway, that's not hypothesis. I'm not
guessing. That's my conclusion for somevast numbers of near death experiencers, and
totally consistent with the finding some multipleother near death experience researchers. This is

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actual. But above and beyond that, I mean, the overwhelming message is
that if you want to judge yourselfin some way, judge yourself as a
beloved child or child ass of God, because believe me, I hear that
ad overwhelmingly consistently. That is whatwe all are. We are beloved beyond
what we could possibly know, whatwe could possibly understand or even believe in

(01:42:20):
our earthly existence. But it's truethat our life is meaningful, purposeful,
and has direction and lessons for usand value for us that is vastly beyond
what we could possibly know with ourday to day, normal earthly existence.
I mean, this is this isthe big amazing thing. Wow, I
have no idea. You know,as a doctor, you're born, live

(01:42:42):
die. Oh whoa boy? DidI learn when I studied near death experiences.
There's a whole new universe to this. There's a whole new reality and
it's very very positive and good.It's very very much a part of why
we're here. So, you know, we're a couple of minutes to the
top of the hour and a lotof you're talking too. You know,
you're preaching to the converted in someform already because at least in theory,

(01:43:04):
you know, a news for thesoul listener would already be aware of themselves
being more than the physical and thuslay on the you know, seeking path
in life, in this life,in this place, you know, trying
to kind of bring that into aplace where you know, I want to
know. I want to come fromknowing, and they want to come from

(01:43:26):
knowing. You know, so doI yeah, nowquire that being me?
But go ahead? Yeah, youknow, because because when like this for
the soul is all about empowerment andcoming from direct experience. And you know
we've covered that we aren't going fromdirect experience in that way. So how
can we assimilate this information and reallyknow? Right? Oh, that's a

(01:43:49):
really good question. How can youreally know? How can you go beyond
faith and say I get it,I understand this. Number one talked to
as many nerve death experiences as youcan. Listen to this show every single
time it's on. I'm sure there'sgoing to be near death experiencers in the
future. Are you hearing me?Listeners? This show will will bring you
the original source of data that youcan decide. I INS, the International

(01:44:13):
Association for Near Death Experiences has neardeath experience groups all around the world.
Look them up i A n DSdot org. Go listen to these people,
talk to them, ask questions,Be as critical as you want.
Go to the website that I havedeveloped and that you know, my soulmate
Jody has developed n d ers dotorg. Read any one of the thousand

(01:44:36):
over one thousand experiences posted on thewebsite, and join the bulletin board and
be as critical as you want tobe. Ask questions, be skeptical in
your own way and in your owntime. But believe the evidence. That's
all I ask. There we go. Well, we are at the top
of the hour, Doctor Jeffrey Long. Thank you so much for taking time

(01:44:58):
out to talk to us today.It has been sincere pleasure. All right,
Well, I hope we'll do itagain soon and keep us in the
loop with your upcoming book and suchwonderful stuff. And I want to know
I'm going to be looking more andyou know, who knows. Maybe we
can do near death Story of theWeek segment on News for the Soul.
That would be lovely, the storiesthey have to tell. Well, there

(01:45:20):
we go. Thanks everybody for tuningin. This has been News for the
Soul with Nicole Whitney. Visit usanytime online at www dot newsforthsoul dot com.
You know where you can listen toall our previously aired shows at any
time, and so much more.Have a great week and remember what you

(01:45:42):
focus on. Expands here Oliver previouslyaired broadcast of News for the Soul online

(01:46:14):
at newspasol dot com. Now let'sget back to the show, and we
are not having running on. NicolmrieWhitney, Founder of News for the Soul,
life changing talk radio from the upliftingto the unexplained. Now and it's
twenty third year, and boy arewe busy this year right now. Very

(01:46:38):
excited to introduce you. Well,I don't need to introduce but you will
remember him best known for his GoldenGlobe nominated role in the series Happy Days
Aunts and Williams is also an awardwinning television director, writer, producer,
and entrepreneur. We're going to talkto him about how he's contributing to the
front lines during this coronavirus episode onthe planet Less. Welcome. You know

(01:47:02):
him as Poppeat I'm Happy Days.Can you believe that was forty five years
ago? My god, Anthon Williams. Welcome to News for the Soul.
Oh, thank you, thanks forhaving me on. Yeah, I think
I think it was like four orfive years ago, right right times ten?
Yeah, quiet, quiet, please? So where where about you?

(01:47:26):
You're in California, How's how areyou faring there with all that's going on?
Well, you know, pretty muchlike everyone else, it's a hotspot
and uh, you know, we'refollowing the protocols, you know, social
distancing and and the mask and youknow, and wash your hands and sanitize
all that. Yeah, so it'sbeen it's been us, you know,

(01:47:48):
like everyone. You get a littlebit, get a bit of cabin fever.
But it's also yeah, it's alsointeresting how much you begin to restructure
too, and priorities change quite abit. It is indeed, Yes,
it's a transformative time. Very interestingthings, very interesting. So I was
pleased to see how busy you've beensince the happy days, all the writing

(01:48:12):
and directing you've been doing. Butalso I want to talk to you about
the product you've created and how thatcame about, which I've always been venereal,
uh, you know, finding findingvoids and filling them and and my
uncle he actually was my second cousin, but I've called him uncle ever since

(01:48:33):
I was born. With doctor HenryHeimlicher created the Heimlich maneuver, and uh,
he had a great, great influenceon me through the years. Uh,
a selfless giving man and uh andjust to show you, I mean
like today, I would you ratherbe your would your leg Would you rather
have a legacy as a movie staror a legacy as because you lives lives

(01:48:57):
of being seated every day and doctorhe every day to saving lives. They
had a great, quite an influenceon me and I and twenty some years
ago I got into creating manufacturing problemsolving products in quite a different areas of
life. And then but what I'mworking on now is so important for society,

(01:49:19):
I mean so important. And it'sthe last project to Heimler worked on
until he passed, which was afew years ago. And he promised me
that I would get this out therebecause he knew how beneficially it would be
to so many or what influenced itwas years before I got into the product
business. I almost killed myself byfalling asleep at the wheel and doctor heimlet

(01:49:45):
I informed me to keep cut uplemons with me because if you're exhausted,
if you bite into a cut uplemon, the citric acid and the sour
lemon hits the lingual nerve right ontop of your tongue, and the reflex
reaction of the body is adrenalinest.Look you're up, You're alert, nothing
in your system, nothing to hurtyou, nothing to screw up your sleep

(01:50:08):
pattern, A natural way of bodywaking the body and verial science, serial
science. And I did that.I did that for years and never had
the problem again. And then afew years ago when we started reading up
on a catastrophic draws and driving,isn't this country, I mean it's right
under guns. There are more deaths, more tragedies than drunk and medicated combined.

(01:50:30):
So I had an idea, andI talked to doctor Heimlich and I
said, what if we had aspray drop citric acid, sour lemon water,
a bit of preservers, the shelflife, and just spray top at
the top of the tongue. Hegot very excited. He said, let's
do this. He said, thiswill stay more lies than the Highland maneuver.
Many more people are drowsy, drivingor exhausted in their life, and

(01:50:53):
tragedies are happening much more than choking. So we did so. We created
literally a spray called alert drops,which is basically high powered lemons and UH
and and we've had huge results withdrowsy driving, to the point that US
Congress has honored us UH as asas as an important help to society the

(01:51:15):
State of California, City of LaBut as we were going going forward with
this, we found out it helpedmuch more than drowsy driving anybody that needed
to be alert, which are millionsof people entertained. It's all huge in
the entertainment business because these long hoursin the medical communities, huge students studying
all night during during during exams,they're they're going to the hospital because they're

(01:51:41):
overdosing on caffeine and energy damage ofaudies and not screw up their sleep patterns.
And and now we've just and we'vealso found out in terms of exhaustion,
it's been tremendous. Now with thecoronavirus situation, we've we've donated thousands
to the frontline workers who are exhausted, absolutely exhausted in saving lives and the

(01:52:03):
alert jobs is hugely helpful there.And also the coronavirus is causing a lot
of problems in homes where it's sucha change of lifestyle for people. They're
they're losing the fire losing the adrenaline. There's no contact with other people.
I really can people are drinking toomuch coffee and they're they're they're just doing

(01:52:28):
bad things to try to get energized, and they're hurting themselves. And we're
finding alert jobs either alert drops orbite into lemons. One or the other
really really has been effective in helpingthem out of that adul drum. And
so I'm very so. But Iwas very very excited to be able to
contribute to the front lines and continueto contribute to the front lines to help

(01:52:50):
them stay safe, to stay alertduring the SURRENDERUS situation. Very cool.
So it's primarily so there's no chemicalthen it no drow No, it's it's
literally literally I'll hit a citric acid, natural citric acid, sour leven water

(01:53:11):
and a bit of preservative for shelfif that's it, that's all that's in
it and find an average of thirtyminutes to an hour of like boom,
you're up. You're alert. Nothingin your system. Just just like going
to the doctor and they check yourreflexes. They have that little rubber hammer
and they'll they'll check your knees andyour arms. It's the same thing when
when when the citri acid and thestour lemon hits the lingual nerve on copy

(01:53:31):
of your tongue, the reflex reactionof the tongue, the sensory connection itnguian
brain, and the effect is adrenaline. Boom. You get an immediate,
immediate jilt of adrenaline. You're up, your alert, your body, waking
the body. Nothing to hurts you, nothing in your system. And we're
stopping a lot of ne necessary tragedies, and we're stopping people from putting bad
things in their body. Yeah,very true. You know it's funny too.

(01:53:58):
It's such an understated thing. Thedriving tired. I didn't realize the
stats were that high, but youknow, I caught myself years ago once
I'm so tired, I thought thisshould be illegal. Like it's worse than
driving drunk almost, you know,and nothing's done about it. It's not
even really closed us. No,And that's what gets me. They talked
about drunk driving, medicated to drive, but drws driving is worse than all

(01:54:23):
of them, all of that.In twenty twelve they did a very detailed
study and it's more now, bythe way, but back then there were
one hundred and sixty eight million drowsydrivers a year, half the population of
falling asleep at the wheel. Youcan imagine the tragics. Well today there's
almost two hundred million, which isover half the population. It's a big

(01:54:45):
problem is you're driving a firearm andyou know, and the majority of the
people killed are not the drivers.Families are destroyed, kids are destroyed.
Crazy and doctor Heimlich, you know, I mean that's why he was so
pashed getting this out because two weeksbefore he passed and maybe promised to get
this product up because he knew thehelp and he knew how it was and

(01:55:09):
so simple, like you know,doctor heimak is brilliance, very simple,
a natural way to help yourself,natural to alert drops dot com not.
They can read all about it.They can it's very very old science.
We all we did was make abetter scooter. We didn't invent it.
It's a it's a science. It'sbeen proven for years. N I T
did to study fifty years ago.They can read all about that. They

(01:55:32):
can read all about why it works, how it worked, how safe it
is, exactly what it is,testimonials. They can buy it there,
They can buy it at Amazon andI tell people if you don't want to
buy it, that's fine. Justmakes a little more convenient have cut up
lemons. That works. So sobasically, it's a very very very simple,
reasonable way for your family, yourfriends, your loved ones to be

(01:55:56):
safe, absolutely safe. And thepeople in the workplace, machine operators,
you know, people in the medicalprofession, tired moms, anyone who needs
to be alert. An amazing productthat will solve that problem. I love
it. Well, we've got thisall linked up on our website Needs for
thesoul dot com. Before you go, I just want to ask you know

(01:56:17):
here we are there little lockdown cabinand time, are you doing any new
creative ventures while you're on house directsover there? Well, you know writing,
you know, a bit of writingthat a commer to do is I'm
doing that? Uh? And thenyou know, and then you know,
always creating these shows to get indevelopment. Let's I'll tell you it's hard

(01:56:40):
though. It's hard when you're evenif you're talking with people to people on
the phone. There's something I missbeing in a room. You know,
it's spinning out ideas. Magic happenswith people are together, Magic happens and
I miss that. You know,it's the energy that there's an energy factory
that I'm right with you. It'svery critical. You have critical and the
magic happens that it's factor many times. Well, how did you how did

(01:57:04):
you guys come up with this?You know, you don't really know.
It kind of just came up andeveryone goes, ooh, that's it,
that's perfect. You know, soso and like they say, too,
don't try to be overproductive during thesetimes. You know you kind of just
just just just calm into it,let it come naturally. Calm into it,

(01:57:24):
don't don't don't beat yourself up tobe overly productive because you know that
might not be that. That's notthe whole purpose going to this mm hmm.
Very true. Kind of like aforced retreat and reprioritize to it.
It's very interesting. Boy, Mothernature really to kind of takes you to

(01:57:47):
your knees. When we can getrovers to Mars and get detailed pictures of
other planets, you know, millionsof miles away, we can go to
the moon, but yet one littlevirus and mother nature business our needs right
absolutely, I think it's not onlyis it a stock market correction and all
that people are talking about. Ithink it's I think it's humanitarian connect.

(01:58:12):
I think it's real prioritizing our goals, our needs, and our priorities.
I think you're right, and Ithink you're right. It's going to be
interesting to see what the world lookslike when the dust has settled after all
this. Yeah, I hope,so, I hope, so, I
hope it's not. You know,too many times people you over drink and
you get a hangover, and peoplesay, I'm never going to drink again.

(01:58:34):
Oh my god, there three weekslated they forget about it. So
I'm hoping, I'm hoping this isn'tthe same. I'm hoping the sticks.
This sticks, and really it sticks, it sticks hard, and we've become
a kinder world and a less selfcentered world, less self involved the world
and really look out for each other. And big business and everybody else said

(01:58:55):
doing the right thing. Give backhappy days. I just I love the
irony of speaking with you now andmore uncertain days, but let's hope for
happy days again. It's been apleasure talking to you, instance well,
it's such a pleasure talking to youtoo, and we'll show you do so
many great things for so many.It's wonderful you'd be well and keep in

(01:59:19):
touch and we will let everyone knowfar and wide about alert drops. And
thank you for being here today.Thank you so much, God blessed.
Stay safe. We're going to getthrough this. Yes, take care.
Consin William Hawpy from Happy Days.Wow. We're going to be back with
more right after this. Here allwere previously aired broadcast of News for the

(01:59:49):
ZOL online at newsppsol dot com.Now let's get back to the show.

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