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This is Nicole Whitney News for theSoul, life changing talk radio from the
uplifting to the unexplace. You're nowtuned in to Nicole Whitney's News for the
Soul highlights, life changing spotlights shehas shared with leading teachers in the human
consciousness field since nineteen ninety seven.Go now to newsforthsoul dot com to hear

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the full shows totally free. That'snewsforthsoul dot com. Yay, we are
live apl eleventh, twenty seventeen.It is the ten am Pacific eleven Mountain
time. I do believe, andthat's the time we had Peg believe for
a very special hour on News forthe Soul, especially in times that we
are in right now. We've talkedto him many times over the years,

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and this, I believe is goingto be one of the most important chats
because of what's going on in ourworld today. Great greaton New York Times
bestselling author is internationally known as thepioneer in bridging science and spirit, which
is one of the favorite places we'dlike to hang out. Following successful career
as a computer and geologist in thenineteen seventies, he worked as a senior
in the aism with the US AirForce Base Command during the Cold War years

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in the eighties. In the ninetieshe became started. I think that's when
he started exploring the spirituality side aswell, and the two come together in
a very most interesting way for highout and villages, remote monasteries and forgotten
texts and started connecting the dot sentencewhere it gets really exciting. Today,
we're going to talk about his latestbook as well, Resilience of the Heart.

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I understand it's the revised edition ofThe Turning Point, so we're going
to find out all about that andfind out well. I'm most excited about
checking in and tuning in with agreat exciting perspective, conscious perspective on what
the heck is going on in ourworld of extremes right now. Great breaking
welcome back to news for the film. Hey Nicole, it's so good to

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hear your voice. I'm absolutely thrilledto be with you today and thrilled to
be with our audience. Thank youfor inviting me back. We have We've
done this a number of times.And when I saw the list came into
my office of my media interviews thatI was going to have this week,
I saw your name, a bigsmile on my face because we always have
a really great program and I appreciateyou very much. Thank you. Oh
right back. Actually, we arevery much appreciating the piece that you bring

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to the big picture. And holymoly, I don't even know where to
start today. I can't. I'vebeen a few years since you talked,
you know, I can I start? Can I get us started today?
I'm going to just share with ourlisteners. I had a really interesting interview
recently another radio station. And thefirst thing the interviewer said to me,

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he didn't say, welcome to theshow, How are you anything like that?
He said, Greg, why can'tyou stick with one topic like everybody
else? He said, you areall over the map? He said,
are you talking about science? Spirituality? About DNA, about ancient history,
about earth magnetics, about climate change? He goes, what are you talking
about? And I said, youknow, every one of those things that

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you've just mentioned is a facet ofthe human experience. And in a very
real sense, I said, Iam talking about one one thing, one
topic. It just happens to bea really big topic, and it's about
us and our relationship to ourselves.Into the world, into the past and
one another into the future. Andthen he said, well, let's take
a station break, and then wecame back and did the rest of the

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interviews. So my work, itdoes touch on many facets of our experience
because we don't live in a vacuum. That's the world that we live in.
And that's one of the reasons Ilove working with Nicole, because you
are doing such a beautiful job oftaking a message that for some people is
a new way in a very differentway of thinking, and sharing this in
a responsible way across the airwaves.And I appreciate that, just appreciate it

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tremendously. Well, you know,like I said, we'd really value your
work and your piece, and I'mextremely interested to get your overall perspective.
That's where I'd like to start,is, you know, if the world's
very different than it was when welast talked. We were kind of on
this exciting essent of connection and youknow, you were showing videos of tumors
disappearing in sixty seconds. We're allvery happy and excited and boo, and

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we thought we'd be in a differentplace by now. It's got this overall
view of things kind of going offthe rails in the mainstream, and I
thought we were further ahead, evolvedconsciously, and you know, perspective on
where we are in the world,within the spirit and consciousness connections. How
would you sum it up in thatview? Yes, you know it's I

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was just reading a history summary ofthe last two hundred years of our experience
and what many historians now are suggestingthey embraced that. The twentieth century they're
saying, was a century of whatthey're they're calling a century of discovery.
Okay, so you know the bigdiscoveries of physics, classical physics, quantum

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physics, sub atomic particles, DNA, the Dead Sea scrolls, the non
Commodity Line Library, the oldest recordsof the New Testament, the Nogamadi,
and you know space exploration. Itwas a century of exploration and it revealed
many things to us. And thetwenty first century, they say, where
we are right now is we areon a very steep learning curve of discovering.

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What where those discoveries fit in ourlives? How do we apply what
we now know to be true inour everyday lives? And I think the
world is reflecting that right now,Nicole. I trust personally, I trust
in the process. The world isa different place than I expected that we
would be in. On the onehand, and on the other hand,
the indigenous people that I've talked toand worked with many of the ancient texts,

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they say, within the first twentyfive years of this new century,
they said, we won't even recognizeour lives in our world anymore. And
I think, you know, we'reseeing that happen. So we're we're learning
about ourselves and our relationship to theworld based upon new discoveries. And this
is what I'm writing about. Thenew book. Well, the newest book
that is on the market right nowthat you have access to is called Resilience

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from the Heart. There's actually anotherbook that will be released October of this
year called the title is Human byDesign. And both of these books are
based upon peer reviewed science. Soit's rock solid science. Not necessarily my
opinion or my perspective or my hypothesesor my theories. But this is the

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new science, Nicole, that ischanging the way we think about ourselves and
our relationship to the world. Onthe one hand, and on the other
hand, there is I'm just goingto say, there is not only a
reluctance, but there is a resistanceto sharing a lot of this new information
in the mainstream because it overturns onehundred and fifty years of scientific thinking in

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the story that we tell ourselves.We are steeped in this scientific story that's
based upon separation, scarcity, competition, and conflict, and the new discoveries
are telling us that we live ina world of cooperation is based upon cooperation,
not competition, and that we aredeeply connected to ourselves and one another,
and the science is showing us justhow deep these connections go. So

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that is the theme for both ofthe new books, and the one that
you just mentioned, Resilience from theHeart, is just that it is about
the new discoveries of specialized celves anda human heart that allow us a direct
access to our bodies in ways thatwe've never thought possible in the past.
We thought only mystics in yogis andspecial adepts could do something like this,

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and now it's becoming available to everydaypeople. So that's a long answer to
a short question. I trust inthe process in the world, and what
I think we're seeing is an unfoldingof understandings of what is sustainable, what's
not, what works, what doesn't, and what we're finding is a lot
of the way we've been taught tothink is no longer sustainable. And so
we're the generation that's bridging these newdiscoveries and learning to apply them in our

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world. And I can't think ofa more exciting times to be alive.
I'm sure many of your others sakersare probably saying something very similar. So
again, that's a long answer toa short question, and I'll follow your
lead and we can go anywhere wewant to go from there. And it's
a very exciting time for sure.And I think you nailed it right in
the first half of your first sentencein response was that, you know,

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before we were learning about these things. Now it's essentially I'm paraphrasing, obviously,
but basically we have to start doingwhat we've learned. Yeah, are
being well, you know, that'sthe thing. What's happening is in the
mid eighteen hundreds, you know,when I began talking about the discoveries of
Charles Darwin, and you know manyof the physicists were making discoveries in the
late eighteen hundreds. People say tome, Greg we're in the twenty first

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century, what difference could those thingspossibly make? And it's a really good
question, and the answer surprises alot of people. Yes, we are
in the early twenty first century,a sophisticated, highly technological world. And
the society that we find ourselves in, and the way we have been conditioned
to think about jobs, industry,about our relationship to the earth, about

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personal relationships, the economy, corporations, all of those things, those ideas,
the foundations were created in the midto late eighteen hundreds. So we
are steeped in a story based uponthe science of the late eighteen hundreds,
and now the new science is overturningmany of those beliefs. So, knowing

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that we live in a world ofcooperation, for example, rather than a
competition, that nature is actually basedin cooperation. Our economic systems were based
upon competition and conflict, based onthe science of the eighteen hundreds, and
that's why the economies of the worldare in chaos right now. We're seeing
the Brexit in the Middle East,We're seeing the European Union face a possible

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breakdown. We're looking at the kindof debt. Here's a question Nicole.
This is fascinating. We've all seennations in debt in the past, and
it's common for another nation or agroup of nations to bail them out.
What happens when the debt of theentire planet is greater than what the entire
planet is producing, When the GDPof the entire planet is less than the

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debt that we've accumulated, who bailsout an entire planet? And I don't
know the answer to that. We'reabout to find out because that's where we
are right now. The industrialized nationshave accrued so much debt that can never
be paid back. That affects everythingfrom the way that we save for retirement,
the way we save for our kids'education, our healthcare, all of

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those things. So they're breaking downbecause they are based on principles that are
simply not true. We don't livein a world of competition and conflict.
We see those things. I mean, we have to be real though.
We definitely witness competition and conflict inthe world. And what the scientists now
are telling us is the more ofthat competition in conflict that we see in
the world, the further we havestrayed from the natural laws and the more

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difficult it is for us to findour balance. So for me personally,
I'm a scientist. I was trainedas as an earth scientist, a geologist.
And I know some of your otherguests and dear friends of mine,
doctor Bruce Lippen, for example,and doctor Joe Despenza. We all look
to nature for the model of helpingus to understand our relationship to ourselves and
to the world and how to builda healthy family and a healthy community and

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healthy societies. So if we lookto nature, nature is showing us a
very different model than what we havein place right now, and we're seeing
I think the world is going throughthe throes of the changes to try to
get back to more of those naturalstates of balance. And that's what the
book Resilience from the Heart is allabout. Because one of the discoveries,
and we mentioned this briefly in anotherinterview, one of the discoveries that has

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just rock the world of the medicalworld, the world of biology, is
the discovery of forty thousand specialized cellsin the human heart that we're simply not
recognized in the capacity that they areright now. They are called sensory near
RTEs and that's a technical term.They're essentially brain like cells, but they're

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not in the brain. They're inthe heart. So these are the kind
of cells you would expect to seein the cranial brain, but they're in
the heart. And the reason thisis important is because these cells think independently
of the cells in our brain,they feel independently of the cells in our
brain, and they remember independently ofthe cells in our brain. So every
experience we've had in our lives,essentially it's recorded in two places. It's

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recorded in our brain and the wayour brain interprets it, and we know
about that that's recorded in our heartand the way our heart interprets these experiences
through these forty thousand cells that havecreated a neural network that is literally called
literally it's called the little brain inthe heart is the term that's being used
now. So as now that weknow these cells exist, as we're learning

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to access them, they open thedoor to extraordinary abilities that I personally believe
are actually ordinary abilities that we've eitherlost are forgotten. And when we can
embrace these abilities in our lives,it helps us to embrace change in the
world in a healthy way. Soif we ever needed a time, or
if we never needed some help inembracing a tremendous change happening in the world.

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Now, I think is the timeto do that, because we are
undergoing such such a radical shift inthe world that we've known in the past.
So this is the theme that thenew book. In the very first
chapter you asked about the two books. There was a book. It was
released, I think it was twentyfifteen or twenty fourteen. It was called
The Turning Point, and it wasa good book. It put many of

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the personal applications and the direct experienceand the exercises that help people in their
lives. They were in the backof the book. And one of the
things that I've learned, Nicole,I'm a student of learning to listen.
I'm still learning, and I workvery diligently and listening to my audience and
to our global audience. And whatpeople all over the world said, they

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said, we want to get tothat stuff faster. We want to get
to the stuff that's going to helpus in our everyday lives, direct experience,
techniques, tools, applications. SoI moved all of that to the
front and I added the new materialand the new discoveries that simply were not
available when I had written a booktwo years previous, So as new material
covering these forty thousand near writes,how we access them and what it means

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in a changing world, and thatwas what sets those two books apart from
one another. Does that make sensethat way? It's so interesting. Decades
ago I interviewed Joseph Chilton Pierce,you know, Cracking the Cosmic Egg,
and he was saying, all along, you know, for years in the
engine years that the real brain coverwas in the heart. And we've heard
so many people refer to that.So when was this recent study referring to

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when was that published? Well,first, I've had the honor of knowing,
touring and presenting with Joseph Chilton Peers, and he was working very closely
with the Institute of Heart Math ineach eart capital m at h All one
word. This is the pioneering researchorganization based in northern California that explores the
power of the human heart in unconventionalways and ways that typically aren't done in

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the universities and the medical schools,but based in science, in peer reviewed
science. So I had the opportunityof touring with Joseph Chiltern pears during the
years when a lot of this informationis being developed. The discovery was made
in nineteen ninety one, it wasn'tpublished until nineteen ninety four. And even
though this is fascinating for me,even though it was published in ninety four

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and it is now document, it'speer review, science is document is still
not being taught in major medical institutions. And I just came last weekend.
I just came from a large conference, and it's very common for us to
have medical professionals and healing professionals andscience and engineers in the audience along with
you know, with everyone else,the spiritual seekers. They all come together

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because this material touches on so manydifferent facets of our experience. And I
had medical students audience and they weresaying, why don't we know about this?
Why isn't this being taught in medicalschool? And I said, you
know, I can't answer that question, but you're here now and now you
know about it. So but itchanges, it changes everything. When we
talk about this little brain in theheart and people say, well, you

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know, is it really a brain. It is a it's a collection of
cells, that are concentrated into anetwork, a neural network smaller but very
similar to what we see in thebrain. And we've learned to use the
brain independently. We know that nowwe know that we can use the heart
independently, and we also know nowthat we can harmonize. We can literally

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tune the heart and the brain together, So two separate organs, but there
is one very potent neural network togive us access to extraordinary experiences like deep
intuition on demand when we choose tohave it rather than spontaneously, you know,
when it just happens to occur.It gives us direct access to the

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subconscious. It's a hotline to thesubconscious without hypnosis and without you know,
listening to a special tape or Imean, you can do all those things,
but sometimes they're not available. Sodirect access to the subconscious. And
this is important for people who areusing affirmations, because an affirmation of healing
or health, or relationship or careersuccess or self esteem or abundance or any

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of those kinds of things, theycould only be effective when we are communicating
with the subconscious. And if wesimply say these things in our mind,
but we're not accessing our subconscious,they may not have the effect that we
hope that they have. So thisharmonizing the heart in the brain is a
direct literally is a hotline into thesubconscious to make those kinds of things more
effective. Harmonizing the heart in thebrain is a trigger for an extra powerful

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super immune response. And I couldspeak for my colleagues, my dear spiritual
brothers and friends that I've toured with, such as Bruce Lifton and Joe Despenzi.
We use these tools or we couldn't. We couldn't tour the world with
the kinds of schedules we have ifwe didn't have really powerful immune systems and
the ability to regulate these things.So we apply these in our own lives.

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It's also a trigger for the antiaging hormones that every one of us
has in our bodies. It's alsoa trigger for reducing stress and creating more
resilience in our lives and time ofchange. So all of a sudden,
knowing that we have access to thesecells and that we can harmonize our heart
and a brain and our brain togetherso they could work together. The act

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of doing this, that single actopens the door to this vast array of
applications, whether it's intuition on demandor you know, the thirteen hundred biochemical
reactions, positive biochemical reactions, andwe can do this. This is what's
what makes us so very powerful.We now know that we are the only

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species known so far that can triggerthese and initiate these relationships on demand.
Other forms of life may be ableto do it naturally, but we can
consciously say, in this moment intime, I choose to initiate a state
of deep intuition, and that coverseverything from precognition, you know, knowing
about something before it's going to happen, to being able to communicate with other

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forms of life, with other mammals, a lot of research is being done
with using the heart to communicate withother forms of life. It just goes
on and on. So I'm sharingwe're just scratching the tip of the iceberg
here. This opens the entire newdoor of possibilities for these experiences that help

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us in everyday life that we inthe past believed were relegated only to mystics
and yogi's, you know, livingisolated lives in the mountaintop half a world
away. We can do this stuffin our living room, and the science
now is telling us how it works, and our most cherished and ancient spiritual
traditions are telling us how to applythese things in our lives. This is

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where these two come together in areally beautiful way. How do we access
and utilize these brain cells in theheart? And have you actually engaged in
any of these experiments with anyone aroundthat? Sure? Well, first of
all, I'll say the instructions.I give their very detailed instructions that are
in the book Resilience from the Heart. The science has been validated. A

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lot of the science comes from theInstitute of Heart Math and the work they've
done over the last twenty I'm sureit's more than twenty years now, if
they have perfected in the laboratory andtheir laboratory conditions. My experience with indigenous
people is that they have initiated techniquesthat parallel what the science is now developing.
And I think if something is true, I think you're going to see

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it show up in a lot ofdifferent ways. So the fact that science
is now catching up science is onlyabout three hundred years old. These indigenous
traditions, spiritual traditions is Manne.We are five thousand years old, so
catching up with what our ancestors andwhat many indigenous traditions have always told us.
So since nineteen eighty six, I'vehad the opportunity to be with our

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indigenous family in many different settings,and the monks and nuns and the abbots,
and the monasteries in Tibet and Nepauland India, and through the Andes
Mountains of Bolivia and Peru, andthe monasteries in Egypt, and all through
the American desert southwest and the Yucatanand Mexico and more. And as different
as they are from one another,I'll call what's so fascinating is that there
are common themes that flow through everyone of these traditions, even though they're

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spread through different times, different environments, different parts of the world. And
when I'm working with the healers andthe kurandaros and the shaman the shamans in
these traditions, one of the firstthings they do before they begin whatever their
practice is is they begin to accesstheir heart. And that's precisely where the
science is leading right now. Sothe techniques are techniques of focus of breathing

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physically being able to draw the attentionfrom our mind into our heart. This
is I think probably one of thehardest thing for people in the West to
do. If I ask someone ina Western environment, in a corporate environment,
and if I asked them, ifI invite them to shift their awareness
from their mind into their heart,they'll say, okay, okay, I'm
in my heart. Now what's next. And I'll say, well, you
know, are you really in yourheart? And they say, you know,

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Well, how do you know?And this is where where these techniques
from the indigenous people really come inhandy. For example, and I'll just
share one of the techniques that theyshare is if we can touch, gently
touch our heart center, the centerof our chest, right there on the
sternum, gently touch that in away that's comfortable for us. Some people

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use their middle finger and their ringfinger and they just simply touch touch their
right on the bone right there,right over the heart. I'm doing it
right now, as if you couldsee me. And here we are in
the radio, so we're not.But some people in some traditions in the
Middle East, for example, theyuse an entire open palm and they place

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that palm over the center of theirchest over their hearts, and they do
the same thing in the Yucatan,in southern Mexico, they do the same
thing. The point here is theBuddhists. Buddhists will make the prayer mudra
that we're all familiar with, andthen they hold that prayer mudra with their
thumbs right against the center of theirchest. And this is what all of
these traditions are doing, is theyare physically touching their heart center. And

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here is the reason why that's important. You are now tuned in to Nicole
Whitney's news for the Soul Highlights lifechanging spotlights see us shared with leading features
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awareness, our conscious awareness will alwaysgo to the place in our body where
we feel a physical sensation. Sowhen we physically touch our heart center in
one of these ways, our awarenessautomatically goes to the place where that sensation
is. And that is one ofthe techniques that the indigenous people use to
move their awareness from their thinking mindinto their feeling heart. So I'm just

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using that as an example, andthen there's the breathing techniques that come after
that are now validated. We haveequipment technology that we can hook people up
to specialize pieces of software and beable to actually see the effect in their
bodies that are occurring from making theseconnections. So we can talk more about

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that if you'd like to. Don'tknow how far you want to go with
all of this, Well down therabbit hole. Yeah, absolutely all this
reminds people listening if you missed it, you mentioned heart mat I talked to
Howard Martin. I think it wasa couple of weeks ago, and that's
in the archives that needs to thesoil dot com. And it's funny,
you know when you hear things themthree is this independently? This general topic

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about the power to power of theheart has come up three times in a
tendently in three different ways for methis week. So I know this is
important and ultimately tying it back intocurrent world abouts would be awesome. But
tell us what's next? What's next? Where that where you wanted to go?
Oh? Well, you just mentionedHoward Martin. Howard I met Howard

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because of Haartmouth in the early nineteennineties and I trained directly with Howard Martin,
who is one of the founders ofthe Institute of Heartmouth, and I've
had the opportunity to tour the world. We have been on stages everywhere,
and now I can call him adear friend as well. So many of
the things that I am saying herefrom my perspective, Howard and institut of
heart Math have given me permission asan independent author to share my experience in

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my perspective, integrating their work atthe same time, so where I've had
more experience with Indigenous people and howIndigenous people throughout the different traditions, how
they have learned to apply this inour lives. Howard and the research team
the rock solid science behind this stufffrom their institute in northern California. They

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come out from a little bit differentperspective when they're training, you know,
in the corporate environment or with theUS military or something like that. But
the bottom line for both is thatwe're getting people into their hearts, and
that means different things to different people. Nicole, we were conditioned if we
were educated in the West, andI'm assuming most of our listeners may not
be in North America. But havea Western education. We've been taught that

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the brain is the master organ ofthe body. And we all know the
brain is important. Of course,it regulates hormones, it regulates, you
know, the temperature in our body, and a lot of the rhythms and
the cycles and the functions within ourbodies. But what we now know is
the brain receives the instructions that tellit what to do. Many of those
instructions come directly from the heart.Every moment of every day. There's this

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conversation between our heart and our brain. It's happening right now. For everyone
listening. There's a conversation. Speakdirectly to our listeners. Listeners, there's
a conversation happening right now between yourheart and your brain. Your heart is
having a big conversation with your brainthrough the vagus nerve. It's sending a
lot of information through this thick nervebundle into your brain. Your brain speaks
to the heart less it can.It's not as big of a conversation,

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and it's coming primarily through the spinalcolumn, down through the back of the
brain, and then down through thenerves and the spinal cord. So we're
always having this conversation. The questionis do we know what we're saying?
Do we know what it is thatour heart is saying to our brain.
And that is the core of thesenew discoveries and the ancient traditions, And

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it's by learning to focus in ourheart, to breathe specific ways, and
to feel very specific kinds of feelingsthat we set up a dialogue, and
the dialogue can be measured electrically.It's a very low frequency. Point one
hurts, not even one point onehurts is the frequency that's optimum between the
heart in the brain. So whenwe can focus in our hearts, breathe

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a little slower than usual, signalingsafety to our bodies by breathing a little
bit slower than usual, and wecan begin feeling positive what I would call
I don't like to judge feelings,but it's what we call positive feelings,
such as gratitude, appreciation, care, compassion. Those are four big ones
that the scientists have found work formost people in almost one hundred percent of

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the time. So if you canchoose one of those gratitude, appreciation,
care, or compassion, this combinationof events, the breeding, the focus,
and the feeling and this is key. When we can feel one or
some combination of those four feelings,our body interprets that as this electrical signal
from the heart to the brain,and the optimum signals point one hurts.

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And when we can establish point onehurts, we can feel the feelings of
point one hurts between our heart andour brain. We are said to be
in high heart brain coherence, andthat heart break main coherence is the key
to everything that we're talking about here. So in the new book that you
mentioned, Resilience from the Heart,first chapter, we talked about the new
discovery the cells forty thousand specialized cells, and then throughout the book what this

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means and how we apply it inour lives through various exercises. So that's
that's the essence of what that bookis all about. So are feelings the
key the doorway? You know,it's interesting. They are not exclusively the
key. They are an important componentthat's been discounted in our culture for most
you know, most people. Wehave feelings and emotions and experiences, and

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we've been conditioned to discount them toa large extent until recently. People in
their fifties and sixties right now rememberwhen we were taught that, you know,
you know, your feelings, aren'tyou know, they're not really real.
I mean, it's it's just afeeling, is what they used to
tell us. You know, itwas discounted. Now we know that the
feeling is a powerful component in theseindigenous traditions, and interestingly, Nicole,

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the very texts of our most cherishedspiritual traditions, the Western Bible, for
example, and some of the Easterntraditions, when they were edited and there
were pieces that were removed or condensed, what was taken out was the information
that tells us the power of humanemotion. So, for example, in
the Christian Bible, the New Testament, the New Testament. And this isn't

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about religion, this is about instructions. This is about the masters of the
past informing their students of the deeprelationship that their students had within themselves and
with the world around them. Andthose were based upon spiritual principles. The
religions came along later and wrapped therules and the dogma around those fundamental spiritual

(30:48):
principles for control. But before thereligions ever existed, those principles were already
there. And so that's why I'mmentioning this. So, for example,
New Testament, we know at leastforty three books were removed in the fourth
century by the Emperor Constantine, andwhat we see today is the reduced,
rearranged, condensed version. It's good, but it isn't complete. And we

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know that because the nag Hamadi Library, discovered in the mid nineteen forties revealed
for the first time the original allthe text in their original form, and
among those was a book called theGospel of Thomas. So the Gospel of
Thomas contains very specific instructions for thekinds of things that we're talking about that

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were simply removed from the Biblical canon, from the modern Bible in the fourth
century, telling us about the powerof human emotion and how to use that
emotion for healing in our lives.So that's one example of where we've known
this in the past, and thenfor a number of reasons, that knowledge
was taken from one of our mostcherished spiritual traditions, and now it's being

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reintroduced from the language of science.So the power of human emotion is what
establishes that point one hurts a relationshipbetween the heart and the brain. You
can be in your heart and nothave the heart brain relationship, and that
is another technique. Sometimes we don'tneed that full heart brain relationship. Sometimes

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we can simply focus in our heartsthrough touching our heart center the way that
I mentioned, and through breathing techniquesthat slow our breathing so that we know
that we're in a place that's safe. And there are sometimes for certain kinds
of intuition, the technique stops there. That's all you need. And if
you want to go deeper and initiatesome of the healing techniques and things like
that, then you can establish thatheart brain coherence. Also. It has

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been found to be very effective.I just want to ask, have you
I'm assuming you've had Joe Despenza onyour program, if you had Joe on
recently, Yes, not recently.I haven't talked to him in a few
years, but yes you can onit phone. Okay. Well. One
of the things and the reason Iasked doctor Joe despends it is a neuroscientist
talks about neuroplasticity and the way thebrain can change. Another one of the

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new discoveries, Nicole. I meanthis uff it just goes on and on
because the science is moving so fastright now. One of the discoveries is
the existence of a brain state abovethe brain states that we've typically seen in
our you know, our high schooland college biology books with the alpha and
the and the beta states. Nowwe have a gamma state. And the
gamma state is a very very fastbrain wave. It is associated with super

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learning, so for example, andtotal recall. So if people have seen
movies like if you've ever seen JasonBourne, you know that Matt Damon and
all of the Jason Bourne movies wherehe does these amazing He could walk into
a room, he looks at theroom, once he leaves, and he
has totally recalled everything in the room. Those techniques are actually being taught today

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and they're using what we're talking aboutnow, this heart brain connection for not
only to take in tremendous amounts ofinformation, but to be able to access
to recall the information that we have. Super learning is what it's called.
So in a gamma state that isachieved through this heart brain connection, we
are not only super learning, butit also helps people in who are dealing

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with depression. It moves them outof the state of depression by being in
the Gama state. So there aremany benefits health benefits, even if people
aren't into what we would call thenecessarily the spiritual aspect, or they're not
into the intuition or subconscious or anyof those things. Simply harmonizing the heart
in the brain is a really healthything to do, and it's something that

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can be done before we do theother things, the other practices that we
have. So if we have ayoga practice, for example, yoga goes
much better when our heart brain isharmonized in coherence. We have a martial
arts practice, we're much more effectivewhen our heart and brain is in coherence.
So what I like to say iseverything goes better with coherence. You

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are now tuned in to Nicole withthese news for the Soul Highlights, life
changing spotlights see us shared with leadingteachers in the human consciousness field since nineteen
ninety seven. Go down to newsforthsouldot com to hear the full shows totally
free. That's Newsforthsoul dot com.So it's not in place of we become

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coherent and then go about doing thepractices that are important to us and these
techniques Howard may have mentioned this,they're actually being used in the US military,
all four branches of the US military, for our amazing men and women
who are serving our country right nowin ways that we just don't get to
hear about. They're doing much morethan working on the battlefield. So much

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is going on rebuilding infrastructure and educationand medical and all kinds of things.
But before they're deployed, many ofthem are learning about heart brain harmony so
that they are focused when they're intheir deployment. And the flip side that
I think is really exciting is onceyour nervous system is wired for battlefield conditions

(36:00):
or for survival, when you're deployedon a you know, halfway around the
world in Iraq or Afghanistan or somewherelike that, it doesn't turn off the
moment you get on the plane tocome home. And the very sad statistics
that we're seeing about US men andwomen service men and women coming home and
high rates of suicide, and it'svery sad to talk about high rates of

(36:22):
divorce things like that because they're havingproblems reintegrating. How do you make that
shift from being in the battlefield towalk down the streets of you know,
San Francisco or Chicago or Albuquerque,New Mexico, or you know wherever,
and these techniques are actually being usedto help them reintegrate and reset. The

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term is to reset their nervous systems. Also being used by first responders e
MTS, police, fire first responders. Right after nine to eleven they started
using the technique. So I'm justsaying this so that our listeners can know
this is more than simply a spiritualpractice. It is the doorway to the
spiritual practices that I've experienced personally throughmy indigenous experiences or my experiences with indigenous

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people. But it is also physiologically. It's a really healthy thing to do,
and it opens the door to triggeringhealthy, healthy states within us.
As I mentioned, over thirteen hundredbiochemical reactions positive biochemical reactions just from doing
this one technique. Again, wasa long answer to a short question,

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but I just wanted people know thatthe many applications for something like this.
You know, intellectually it makes sense, and based on the conversations we've had
over the decades of the connections withthe heart and the power that in bypassing
the straight conscious mind, it don'tmake sense, right, So how do
we apply this or can we applythis to manifesting a more positive outlook path

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for the collective in the world rightnow? Well, this is It's a
really good question, Nicole. Andthis is another facet of the studies that
are being done pioneered by the Instituteof Heartmouth. And as a former geologist,
I'm not a practicing geologist now,but i am an earth scientist,
so I find this what I'm aboutto share especially fascinating. We've all heard

(38:19):
of the magnetic field of the Earth, and the magnetic field that a lot
of people don't know is that itinfluences every form of life. I mean
every blade of grass, every dog, every cat, every hamster, every
goldfish, every ceo of every corporation, every leader of every nation. There
is no them in us when itcomes to the magnetic field of the Earth.
There is only a we. Weare all deeply influenced by this field.

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And here's the reason that I'm sayingthis and why it's important, is
because the science is showing very clearlythat when the magnetic field of the Earth
is strong, it influences us ina positive way. We become less aggressive,
more cooperative, more will to worktogether, better listeners, and when
the magnetic fields are weak, justthe opposite happens. We become more aggressive,

(39:08):
less willing to work together. Andunfortunately, we discovered this through nine
to eleven. Nine to eleven wasthe first time that scientists discovered how deep
our relationship to the Earth really goes. Now, maybe to our listeners,
we say, you know, thisis no big news to us. We've
always known this. That's to thelisteners of this program. But scientists have

(39:30):
been trained to think of humans asseparate from one another, separate from the
Earth, and they've been trained tobelieve that we have very little influence over
our own bodies and over what happensin the world. And nine to eleven
taught scientists that that's not true.And here is what happened. The magnetic
fields I just described. They're soimportant that we have satellites every thirty minutes

(39:54):
or maybe even more frequently, butevery thirty minutes they send data back to
the Earth to tell scientists how strongthose fields are and what's happening. They
fluctuate on a daily basis. Thereare rhythms, They ebb and they flow.
It looks like a big sine wave. Every twenty four hours. The
magnetic fields of the Earth ebb andthey flow, and they ebb and they
flow. Scientists knew that. Butwhat happened was there was one day when

(40:17):
the magnetic data from the Earth therewas this huge spike. It was higher
than what they would traditionally see,and they weren't used to seeing that,
and they said, well, youknow what on Earth? I mean,
literally, one on Earth is happeningto make these magnetic fields so strong.
And they looked at the date wherethat spike occurred, and it was nine

(40:39):
am Eastern Standard time, September eleventh, two thousand and one. It was
fifteen minutes after the first planes atthe first Tower of the World Trade Center.
So the scientists believe it took aboutfifteen minutes for those horrific images that
we all remember, those of usthat were living men. They believe it
took about fifteen minutes for those imagesto circulate the globe and for people to

(41:01):
respond emotionally to what they were seeing. And for most people that response it
was a heart based response. Nowthey were different, some of them were
some of it was fear, someof it was sadness, some of it
was shock, but everyone it wasa heart based experience. The strongest magnetic

(41:22):
field generated in the human body isgenerated by the human heart, and some
people are surprised by that because theythink it's the brain. The brain has
a magnetic and electrical field, butit's weak compared to the human heart.
The heart has the strongest electrical andthe strongest magnetic field in the human body.
So nine to eleven, what happenedwas hundreds of millions of people simultaneously

(41:45):
were witnessing the horrors of New YorkCity in nine to eleven, and hundreds
of millions of hearts were generating increasedmagnetic response to what they were seeing.
That actually influenced the magnetic fields ofplanet Earth. And this is what was
showing up on the satellite data.We spiked the magnetic field of our planet

(42:07):
in response to what we saw.And here's why that's important if you and
your listeners can remember it. Atleast at least for a few days after
nine to eleven, we were soclose as a global family. I mean
not only in America. I wasin Australia when the whole thing happened.
I couldn't even come home for afew days, so I know that it
wasn't only in America, but wewere close as a family. People in

(42:30):
big cities. They looked at eachother in the eyes, and they spoke
at one another, and there werehugs that were happening, and there was
this sense of unity. And scientistsattribute that to the high magnetic fields of
the planet that resulted from our seeingwhat had happened. So the question became,

(42:50):
immediately, can we create that kindof an experience without the tragedy.
Can we consciously raise that magnetic fieldof the planet with having a tragedy that
we react to. Can we doit? Because we choose to, and
the answers yes, And this becamethe foundation of a project that is spearheaded
by the Institute of Heart Math andfor transparency. Whe our listeners know.

(43:14):
I'm on the steering committee and aspokesperson for this project that is called the
GCI, the Global Coherence Initiative.So the personal coherence we just talked about.
Personal coherence is good for us individually, global coherence is good for the
planet. And what has happened,They just make a long story very brief

(43:35):
because I know we're coming up onthe end of our hour. Here.
Satellites to detect these fields are veryexpensive. So the scientists the Institute of
Heart Math worked on ground based sensorsand created a network of these sensors in
different nations that all feedback to onecomputer in northern California, and they measure
the planet's response in our interaction withthe planet. They measure these magnetic fields

(44:01):
every day and if people want tosee these, you can actually see them
real time and you can see themabout I think they post them usually at
midnight after the data has been analyzedevery day at www dot heart math,
h A R T M A Th all one word dot org and then
go to GCI Global Coherence Initiative doesn'tcost you anything. You can see the

(44:23):
live data, you can see thescience, you can read about the sensors.
So we now have a way offeedback mechanism so we can see what's
happening with the fields of the Earth. That's part one. Part two is
training people to create this heart braincoherence so that throughout every day across this
planet there are people that are literallyfeeding the field in a positive way.

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So we're all feeding it every day, We're all having feelings. The question
is what are we feeding the fieldevery day, and it's by learning these
various techniques of heart brain coherence thatwe're actually contributing not only to our own
health, contributing to the field thatinfluences our cooperation or lack of cooperation on

(45:05):
the planet. So it is twothings happening here. We've got personal and
we've got global healing that is occurringfrom embracing this relationship that was known by
our ancestors in ancient traditions and isnow being validated and reconfirmed and expanded through
the best science of the modern world. And it all happens within the context

(45:30):
of a world that we're living,a time of extremes. The world is
changing faster than we've been prepared toaccept, and for many of us,
we're just not used to that kindof change. So I think when I
said I trust in the process,it's only now that the science is giving
us the tools to tune our bodiesand harmonize to the rate of change that
we're seeing in the world while thedemand for that change is emerging. And

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I think it's perfect symmetry, perfecttiming. I don't understand everything that's happening.
I don't claim to that. Ido trust in the process and as
I see it unfolding, Wow,that's exciting. A little coherence sounds very
intriguing when next time we talked aboutto get more into that. I'm curious
that if you know, there wasany kind of major thing tracks on November

(46:15):
twenty sixteen, if there were anymajor the signal broke up a little bit.
I couldn't hear what you said,Nicole, all right, major energy
shift tracked on the November eight,twenty sixteen. You know, it was
interesting. I went back. Itwas not what people would have expected.
I went back and I looked atthe magnetic fields. You're talking about the
elections, right, yeah, yeah, I went back and I looked.

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Well, first I compared I wentback to Obamas first election, the very
first time he was elected, andwhat the data showed is that there was
a lot of excitement in the fieldsleading up to his inauguration and on inauguration
day, not so much the election, but on inauguration day the field became
very quiet. It was the globalenergetic field became very quiet. Scientists are

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reluctant to say one thing causes another, so what they will say is that
something correlates with another and there's ahigh correlation between a calm that came that
flowed across the planet, at leastin those magnetic fields. And when the
inauguration happened and then lasted for afew days, we didn't see that kind
of change. But we also didn'tsee a lot of you know, they

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thought they're scientists, and many casualobservers thought there might be some kind of
you know, anxiety showing up inthe field, and that didn't really show
up either, at least initially.It showed up a few days. I
think it was three or four dayslater, there started to be a lot
of activity in the field. Andif you if you go on this website,
the bright the bright areas that yousee on those twenty four hour charts,

(47:52):
that is where there's a high levelof activity. And when you see
the dark blues and we don't seemuch happening there, that is those are
or the quieter areas. So therewas a I think people were surprised what
happened during election and inauguration, andI think maybe the field. This is
my personal opinion. This isn't Hartmansaying this. My personal feeling is I

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think people the world was surprised andwas kind of I think the magnetic fields
are reflecting us, kind of lettingit sink in what has just happened.
And it took a few days todo that. And then then about three
days later we started seeing a lotof really a lot of activity. And
that's I think when people figured outwhat just happened and they said, okay,
you know now what what's next?So that makes sense? Yeah,

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that's the very intriguing project. Iwas not aware of that. And now
I'm on my data, so I'mgoing to be on there for several hours.
That's fun. Thanks for letting usyou were able to bring it,
bring up the site while we're talking. Yes, I went into global coherence
under research and then live data.Yeah, yeah, so you can see
the data. What's important here isthis project. And I'll tell you everyone

(49:00):
that's fascinated by this US military,mainstream scientists, we have never never has
We've never had this depth of understandingbetween the human body and the magnetic fields
of the earth as individuals and thecollective response and our collective relationship to this
field. And it goes back.It hearkens back to this idea that we

(49:22):
are part of the world rather thanseparate from We are part of a living
system, and we influence this systemconsciously or subconsciously, whether we know it
or not, we're influencing it.And now we have the ability to consciously
come together as a global community andthrough doing something that's good for us individually

(49:45):
collectively, it's good for our communitiesand it's good for nations. And I
can't think of a better time tohave that ability and to breathe life into
that ability, and maybe not abetter way to end our program because it
looks like what's at the top ofthe hour for you, So we are
this see. I really appreciate youyour work, your long years of dedication

(50:07):
to bringing this information for it andI hope you'll join me when your next
book comes out October to discuss thatas well. I would love to.
All I need is an invitation.So I think I just heard one.
Yeah, Nicole, thank you,Thank you so much for the work you're
doing, and everyone listening, Ijust want to thank you all for all
you're doing, just to be thebest person you can be and to create

(50:28):
the best world possible. I'm anoptimist. I've never been more optimistic about
our world. And I'm also arealist. We have a lot of work
to do to bring what we knowin our hearts to fruition in our lives.
And I just want to say onething about work. The prophet Khalil
Lebron, the poet and the prophetand the author in the twentieth century,
and his book that was titled TheProphet, he wrote about work and what

(50:52):
he said very clearly, and Iread this when I was ten years old
and it's been with me ever since. He said, work is our love
made visible? Is love made visible, and it's going to take a lot
of work to change the way wethink and live. That's our love made
visible. And I think we're worthit, and I think our world is
worth it. So that's what I'dlike to leave our listeners with today,
Nicole Perfect Resilience from the Hearts.Greg Braden's latest book. We'll talk to

(51:15):
him again soon and Greg, thankyou so much for being here today.
Thank you so much. I lookforward to next time. Take care.
I'm looking forward to it already.Greg Bradon can be found online and linked
up at newsforthsoul dot com. Thiswill be in the archives and re aired
on our California stations this week andwe'll go out from there. We are
back with more right after this.You're now tuned in to Nicole with these

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amazing. This is what's getting.It's some angel telling somebody goes, hey,
listen, get on this show.Listen to this program, even on
my program, whatever program you've goton. It's really amazing. It's hard
to believe it's seventeen years and thereVancouver and you were sitting there in class

(52:47):
and you were using remagioing, andI think I said to you that you
were going to be a radio talkshow host or something along those lines.
It wasn't really a prediction. Itwas just a a sense of who you
were and what you were doing inthe direction you were going Wow, well
and there you were and still knowingit's amazing look at what you've done with

(53:12):
it. I just wanted to sayI'm very proud of you for what you've
accomplished, for just the format,to the assemblage of wonderful people, great
minds, and people who are workingto serve humanity and do the things that
they do. It's really I've beenlooking through your list of pollers and I

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(57:28):
Bruce Lifted is with me here forthe next hour. Here today on News
for the Soul, and I actuallycan't remember in the last time we talked
to him live, but he's theauthor of Biology of Belief, and it,
believe it or not, is thetense anniversary of Biology and Belief,
so we're going to be talking aboutthat in case you don't know. He

(57:49):
is a stem cell biologist, bestselling author, recipient of the two thousand
and nine DEI Peace Award, andhe's been a guest speaker on TV and
radio shows, including ours, overthe years. And like I said,
bridging science and spirit, there's greatpower in that one place, and that's
where we began. Doctor Bruce Lipton, welcome back to News with the Soul.

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Thank you so very much. I'mso happy to be back on the
show, and I'm so happy tobe able to talk to the wonderful audience
because there are my cultural creatives,the ones that are helping create a new
civilization, and I so appreciate them. You know, so much has happened
in that field since you and Ifirst ever spoke and when you began on

(58:34):
your path. It's amazing now tosee the changes coming to pass that we
just talked about seeing before. Well, for me, it's very exciting because
it was an opportunity to see somethingand then I had to be patient enough
to wait long enough for the publicto get it. But it's like,
for me, it was so excitingto see a whole different understanding of the

(58:54):
planet and the world we live inand the nature of spirituality, which as
a scientist I never entertained that ideareally, and through the study of the
cells, it was like, ohmy gosh, we're not in here,
We're broadcast and it's like wow.So that was like an instant transformation from

(59:14):
non spiritual and spiritual at about aminute of like, oh my god,
that's how it works. Oh ohgod, I'm not in here, but
yes, go ahead, darning what'shappening? Why chant anniversary? What's changed?
Where do you want to start withthis today? Well, basically the

(59:36):
new edition of the book for meis kind of fun because I was asked
when I was talking with Hayhouse andit was like, well, it was
coming up ten years and I thoughtthis would be a good time to revise
an update, I thought, andso they said, hey, okay,
why don't we do that, takea look at it. And for me,
what was the really most exciting part. I hadn't read the book for
ten years, I guess anyway,and I sat down and read the book,

(59:59):
and I got to the and Isaid, wow, I don't have
to change a word of this book. It's exactly right from the ten years
of science. And I said,but I said, oh, but a
lot has happened in the last tenyears of new stuff that is relevant to
our lives. And I thought,no, I really wanted to include some
what has happened in ten years.So there's an additional forty or more pages

(01:00:22):
of current things, including wonderful discussionabout something called kilomeres, which I presume
was talked about on your show atsometimes right, kilo meres doesn't make any
sense. Yeah, oh my goodness, Oh my goodness. The fountain of
youth, there is an absolute fountainof youth, and it's a oh well,

(01:00:45):
that's part of the book. Andthen there's a lot more on the
nature of how we malign the conceptof cholesterol as being something bad when that's
not true at all, that weblame this thing and then we try to
regulate cholesterol, which is like,oh my god. The machine is a
very complicated body. Inside it's amachine and when you start throwing drugs in

(01:01:07):
there sort of like throwing monkey racesinto the machine sometimes. So the statin
drugs which people are on is like, oh my god, is completely wrong.
So the interesting ideas about new waysof looking at life, and it
comes down to also the main thingabout stress, because we look at you
know, illness and disease and wesay, oh, well, there's genetics

(01:01:28):
behind it, and it comes out, well, less than one percent of
disease is genetically based, and thatshould stop. People say, well wait
then less than one percent comes fromgenetics and biology, then where does the
disease come from? And it turnsout lifestyle and stress, and all of
a sudden that becomes really important becauseif we blame genes, then people just

(01:01:52):
say, oh, I had nothingto do with me. It's my heredity,
you know. It's like, ohmy god, my life was predetermined
by those genes. And that maypeople feel like they're victims. Well,
I didn't pick the change that Ican change them, and apparently they're controlling
my life. And then I said, yeah, but when we understand the
whole new biology is coming together,it reveals no, we're not victims.

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We're actually controlling our lives, butwe had no understanding of how the invisible
operation of the control was going on. So we had no awareness that we
were involved with every aspect of ourlife. And now the new biology says,
oh my goodness, we are themasters. We are the ones that
control our behavior, in our geneticsand all aspects of our lives. But

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we just didn't have the understanding orprogramming to know that while we have that
opportunity, we haven't been doing it. We've been running by programs. So
this awakening is what coming from theidea of victim of your life to the
understanding that we are masters, thatwe can control this biology and inside and

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profoundly influenced every life aspect on theoutside when we start to understand the new
biology. So maybe a quick recapon your original uha for the matty that
are still unfamiliar with your story andin many countries listening right now. Yeah,
I think, well that's really importantbecause this is the foundation of today.

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It has become a revolution in planetaryawareness that changes the things we were
just talking about. Going from victimto master. When I was back,
let's say in nineteen seventy and beinginvolved with teaching in a medical school.
I was teaching medical students the beliefthat Jane control life, the idea that

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most people still hold. Anyway,I was teaching it back then, and
at the same time, I wascloning stem cells. And this is like
forty some years ago. And whatI found in the stem cell culture was
I would put one cell in aPetri dish that's an embryonic like cell multipotential
and I put one stem cell ina Petrie dish by itself, and it

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would divide every ten hours, andafter a week you'd have about fifty thousand
cells because it keeps doubling and doubling. And I said, but what's interesting,
they're fifty thousand genetically identical cells.The experiment I did was split the
cells up into three different Petri dishesand change the environment a little bit in
each dish. And you say,well, what's the environment. I say,

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well, we grow cells in culturemedium, a fluid And I go
why, Well, because that's thenatural state inside the body. They're inside
a fluid system. When you cutyourself open and fluid fleek out, So
basically cells grow in a fluid environment. And I say, well, what
is the composition or you know,how do you make up an environment for
cells? I go, you identifythe blood components from the organism where you

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get the cells from. So,in other words, if I grow mouse
cells, I make culture medium basedon the blood components found in mouse blood.
And when I grow human cells,I try to make culture medium which
has the same composition as human blood. So it's like they're at home.
So I say, okay, whatdid I do? I had genetically identical

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cells three dishes, but I changedthe composition of the culture medium a little
bit in each of the three dishes. So I have genetically identical cells,
but a different environment in each dish. And the result was in one dish
the seals worm muscle, and thesecond dish the salesform bone, and in
the third dish the salesform fat cells. Well there's a very profound point here.

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It's like, well, who orwhat controlled the fate of the cells?
Point they were all genetically identical,so it was you know, it
wasn't built into the genes where thisprogram unfolded from. They all had the
same gene. It turned out itwas the environment. And the relevance about
that is here. I am inthe classroom teaching students genes. They are

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making decisions change, turn on andoff, change control life. And then
I find out in my research it'slike that's not true at all. It's
like whoa. And basically that wassome pioneering work. Today's field of science
that is really focusing on what Iwas seeing forty years ago is called epigenetics.

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And you say, well, itsounds like genetics. I go,
here's the difference. When I wasteaching in medical school, I was teaching
what was called genetic control, simplycontrol by genes. I say, But
today the science is not called genetics, called epigenetics. I say, well,
what's the EPI. I say,oh, EPI means above, So
I say, oh, then whenI talk about today epigenetic control, I

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am saying control above the genes.This is the whole remarkable evolution. We
were thinking genes turned on and off. That's a total false statement. Genes
are blueprints. They have no moreactivity than a blueprint in an architect's office.
They're just patterns. But the ideaabout it is something selects the patterns

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and selects the programming above the genes, and that's what we're beginning to find
out it's the environment that is adjustingthe biology, so that whatever's going on
the environment influences your biology. Soyou walk outside and it's warm out,
and the skin feels warm. Thebiology adjusts itself now to cool down the

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body. Oh we walk outside whenit's cold out. Oh, when you
feel the environment of cold, thebody adjusts itself to make itself warm.
So the body is adjusting itself tothe environment. And I say, well,
why is that relevant? And Igo, well, some environments are
very healthy and some environments are notvery healthy. And when we get sick,
we have a tendency to say,oh, the genes and the biology

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are the problem. Now we knowthat over ninety percent of illness is not
due to the genes at all.Less than one percent of bullness is the
jans And so where's the illness comingfrom? And it says the environment.
And here's the catch, Nicole itAnd it's not just environment, but our

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perception of the environment. And Isay this becomes very important because the environment
hot cold outside directly affects the temperatureof the body straight on one to the
other. But if there's something goingon in your life and you have a
vision of it. You have aperception on is this good or is this
bad? Is this threatening or isthis loving? That's a perception at that

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moment. And I say, whyis it relevant? Because whatever you're saying
is turned into chemistry that goes intothe blood, and the blood is the
culture medium that controls the genetics andthe behavior. So a simple here's the
simplest understanding. It is so profound. It works like this, is that

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the chemical composition of the blood controlsthe fate and genetics of the cell.
And then I say the brain isthe thing that creates chemistry and the blood.
And then I say, yeah,but what chemical should the brain put
into the blood? And I say, well, whatever picture is in the
mind. And when we were younger, we probably played with something called paint
by numbers, where you get apicture with outlines and numbers in it,

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and you get a set of paintswith numbers on each different color, and
then you put the colors into thespaces and then lo and behold you create
this masterpiece of art. And Isay, you know what's interesting, and
this is how simple life is.I love how simple it becomes it And
it's like this the brain and bloodrelationship is paint by numbers in reverse,

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meaning you first start with a picturein your mind, and then the brain
breaks the picture down in the numbers. But instead of paints, the numbers
represent neuro hormones and growth factors andregulators and immune system controls and all these
things. So, in other words, your mind sees a picture, your

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brain breaks it down into a complimentto that picture in regard to nerve secretions,
and that then goes into the bodyand controls the behavior. So what's
the point. Your biology is areflection of what you see going on in
the world, and if you changehow you see the world, you change
your biology and you change your genetics. A wonderful insight which is mentioned in

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the book is the Dean Ornish,an internist from San Francisco who's done a
lot of wonderful work. He tookhis prostate cancer patients, split them into
two groups. He read the geneticreadout of both groups of patients at the
start. One group got the regularmedical treatment, whatever the drugs and stuff
that was, and the other groupgot no drugs or anything. What they

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got was lifestyle changes. They learnedhow to eat a better diet, they
learned how to reduce stress, theylearned how to meditate, and ninety days
after the start of the experiment,they then read the genes of both groups
and the drug gene people the genestayed exactly the same as they were,
but in the group that did lifestylechange, five hundred genes, many of

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them directly associated with the prostate cancerchanged their function in that ninety day period
of what just changing lifestyle. Sothere's the beautiful part about all of this,
Nicole, is that we're transitioning ina world where we have been taught
to believe we are victims, victimsof our heredity, and that when you're

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a victim, you give up responsibilitybecause you have no control anyway. And
also then you give up your savingsto anybody who says they're going to help
you with your problem. And thenI say, what's happening today? And
it turns around. Now if weunderstand how the mechanism works. Now,
it's how our thoughts and our beliefsin our minds are are translated by the

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biology into the chemistry of our blood, which is then controlling behavior and genetics.
And if we know that just aswe just said. Then it basically
says, what if you change yourbehavior, and I go, well,
then you change your biology At thatpoint and all of a sudden, it
says, oh, my goodness,then we are masters of our biology.

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We're not victims of anything. Theonly thing, we're victims of the belief
that we're victims, and that that'swrong. So this is an exciting time,
a revolution on the planet, especiallywhen you consider the healthcare crisis,
the money, the amount of moneythat we're spending to bring people to health

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through a model that says, oh, it's just a broken genes and broken
body and give them some chemistry andthey'll come back and then find out it
had nothing to do with that exceptfor one percent. But it had to
do with our lifestyle, our beliefs, our spirituality, our attitudes about life,
love, diet, and exercise.There you go, and those are

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things we can control and if youunderstand we can control it. And it
says, oh, then you don'thave to be unhealthy if you don't want
to be, because we can changeour environment and we can change our perceptions,
which is huge. Of course,why you're you're you and what you're
doing. The perceptions are things easyto change, as you're suggesting, yes,

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when you have knowledge of how tochange them. And if you don't
have an understanding, then it's oneof the more difficult processes in our lives
because there's a mechanism and we haveto understand. Let me just give you
the idea of how powerful a perceptionis, because it's a in some stage
shows with hypnosis, they hypnotize anindividual and they tell that person, we're

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going to touch you with a burningcigarette on your arm, and under that
state of hypnosis, that individual underhypnosis perceived that's what happened. But the
person only touched them with their finger, just you know, touch their arm
with their finger, and within aminute or two a blister begins to form.
And it's like, didn't just formanywhere, formed exactly where the person

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got touched. And you stop fora second and say, how can you
accommodate that? How does you makeany sense out of that? Because the
logic thing obviously the skin did notget burnt at all. And you say,
well, but their blister formed exactlywhere you touch And the answer was
this, the perception of the mindsaw a burn, and the mind controlled

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the biology to manifest the blister,and all of a sudden, you say,
oh my god, look like amanifest the blister and it never really
occurred. And I go, Andthis is why we have to really understand
why our perceptions are so important,because if they're negative perceptions, without our
even understanding it, we are translatingthose into a negative status of our health.
And all of a sudden, it'slike, oh my god, to

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get the health back. They say, well, we'll go to doctor,
will get some drugs. I go, no, you want the health back.
It take away the negative image,take away that perception very simply.
You know, I'm trying. I'msorry, I keep talking so much,
I called, but they're trying toget this out. How simple this is.
When I was learning how to growcells in tissue culture, one of

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the first things I learned was thiswas that after I put the cells into
the culture, the procedure of gettingthem and then putting them in the culture,
I put the dishes in the incubatorovernight and come back and look at
them in the morning. And mymajor advisor at the time in teaching me
how to do this, and whenyou come back in the morning, if
the cells don't look good. Imean, you know, they're not healthy

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looking and they don't look right.Don't blame the cells. First, look
at the conditions of the culture medium. And why that was relevant was at
some point was I didn't even knowit. But years later that's what the
epigenetic science ultimately came to say,was that it's the environment that is manifesting

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that. So I take a dishof healthy cells, put it in a
less than optimum environment, and thecells start to get sick and die.
And then if you you know,if there was a cell doctor and say,
oh, Bruce, yourselves are sickof Yeah, we should get a
prescription and give them some drugs,and I go, no, all you
have to do is take the cellsfrom the bad environment, move them into

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the good environment, and they willinstantly get healthy again. The point the
cells become a compliment because it soyeah, I gotta cut off my back
will sounds so simple. So well, we didn't talk about changing, but

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that's how simple it works. Imean, that's the that's the amazing part,
is like that we can imagine allkinds of complexities why my life turned
out this way, And if youleave out this first understanding is that your
perceptions are creating this unfolding. Thenwe're really lost because we're trying to figure
out how the outside did that tome when we have responsibility. At some

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point, should I hello, yousort of cut out for a minutes.
We're all little intermittent glitches. Sojust the last ten seconds cut up.

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Okay, you can edit that.Well, no, we're live. Oh
my goodness. Well you got togo with the flow, you know,
so and so. Yeah, it'sjust very basically, it's important for us
to recognize that if we own thatwe have responsibility, then the means we

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own that we can do something aboutit. And as you brought up,
changing the perceptions, and as youalso brought up, it seems to be
very hard because so many people havedifficulty and changing it. You know,
you read all the self help books, you go to the videos and watch
the lectures, you do all thesethings, and no matter how much learning
you get about how it should be, it's hardly changes. Oh my god,

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it changes heart. Well, tobreak it down, let's make it
understanding about this. The mind,which is controlling the system, is actually
comprised of two independent parts that areconnected together. One is called the subconscious
mind, and that mind is theequivalent of a record playback device, like
a CD recorder. You record something, you push play and then plays it

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back. Every time you do itplays it back the same thing over and
over again. So the subconscious mindis like the habit mind. The latest
evolution of the brain is right behindyour forehead of a lobe of brain tissue
called the prefrontal cortex, and withthat was the development of the conscious mind.
I say, well, what's thedifference. Well, as I said,
the subconscious mind's a habit mind learnsbehavior stimulus response, stimulus response,

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and that's how you know it's lifeis managed. But when you get to
the conscious mind, something's totally different. And the idea is that it can
think. Number one, it's notjust stimulus response. I can think.
And number two, it can seeinto the future or look into the past.
It can review the past, orit can look into the future.
And I say, well, whyis this relevant? Because the conscious mind.

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Here's the difference. The conscious mindis a creative mind because I can
say, well, what do youwant to do on Monday, and it's
not Monday yet, you obviously arecreating something for Monday. So it's creative,
and I go, yes. Andhere's the interesting part about it.
It's the mind that's also connected toyou as a personal identity, the connection
to your spirituality, your source,who you are, is playing through this

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mind. So it's you and it'screative. So I say, oh cool.
So I say, the conscious mindhas your wishes and desires in it.
So if I say what do youwant out of your life, you're
looking saying in the future, Iwant X. You're creating an idea.
So wishes, desires, aspirations.Conscious mind habits subconscious mind. Okay.

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And then I say, okay.Here's the difference. The subconscious mind learns
in a different way than the consciousmind. The conscious mind, because it's
creative, can learn from you,as we mentioned, reading a book,
going to a lecture, watching avideo, just going aha, and the
conscious mind can learn something. Igo, this is not the same as
a subconscious I go, No.Subconscious is a habit mind, and that

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means this, when you put ina habit, you don't want it to
change, especially if it's an importanthabit like walking. For example, if
you learn how to walk, youdon't want that to change. So the
habit. Mind is resistant to change. Firstly, okay, and it doesn't
learn in the same way. It'snot creative. It has to learn in
a different way. So here's theissue. We now recognize that the subconscious

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mind in the first seven years oflife is downloading life experiences straight into the
subconscious. In other words, theconscious mind of a child's not really fully
engaged until around age seven, whenthe brain develops another higher level of function.
Below age seven, the brain activitychild's mainly in a wavelength called data,

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which is below consciousness. It's imaginationin fact, and that's why kids,
especially you know, two to seven, can mix the real world in
the imaginary world because their brain operatingin data is that zone. But that
zone is also hypnosis. And yousay, why should the brain be a
hypnosis And the answer simply this,there's so much you can program with genes

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and culture. You can't program withgenes. It changes all the time,
so there's no genes for how tobehave. And yet you when you're born
into a family, the first thingyou've got to learn is how to be
a functional member of the family,and then a functional member of the community.
I say, well, how manyrules is that, and all of
a sudden, you say, well, it's thousands of rules. I go,

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okay, teach a two year oldhere, sit down, I got
to teach you a few thousands.We'll fear about how to be a functional
member of the family. It's like, well, that's not going to work,
but it works For this reason,Nature designed the brain to be in
a record mode for seven years,recording what the behavior of the mother,
the father, the family, thecommunity. Why it's observing behavior and learning

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how the interactions occur. How aparent talks to a child is different than
how they talk to each other,which is different than how they talk to
the neighbor, which is even differentthan how they talk to a policeman.
It's like, wow, the childlearns all these but it doesn't learn them
by reading or anything. It learnsthem by just recording seven years of recording.
And that's why the first seven yearsis download. Then consciousness begins,

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and then consciousness can use the datato make a life from it. But
first you have to put the datain. So I say, well,
the relevance then is the data thatwent into a subconscious mind in the first
seven years A is other people's behaviorbecause you were recording other people. So
that's a b. You weren't consciousof the recording because your conscious brain wasn't

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working anyway at that point, soyou didn't see this download occurring. Okay,
so it wasn't filtered. It wasjust whatever you saw was the download.
And most importantly, it was aperiod where the brain was in data,
which is called hypnosis. Okay,after seven the conscious brain ticks in.

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The subconscious is no longer working onhypnosis at this point. Okay,
now it's working on life experiences oflife, what you're doing. Okay,
it changes the direction of it.But the relevance is this. The subconscious
learned in the first seven years throughprocess called hypnosis, but after seven years

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it learns in a different way,and what it learns by is repetition habit.
That's what's called the habit mind.So if you want to change a
program after you're age seven, youhave to make a habit like an exercise,
and you got to repeat that habit, just like learning how to drive
a car or learning how to walk, you had to learn. You had
to do it every day, repeatit, repeat it till you get it

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down. Or the ABC's how manytimes did you start A and never could
finish until you learn the next coupleof letters, and then you can progress,
progress until you can get to Z. And now guess what, Once
you learned it, you don't haveto do it again. So the nature
of repetition is after seven Okay.So I say, well, you want

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to change your subconscious mind? Howdo most people try to do it?
First big mistake is they attempt totalk to themselves. It's like, oh,
you're talking to something. Oh,Bruce, don't eat that donut.
You know it's really bad, it'sreally you know, do that. So
I'm talking to myself, don't mydonut there? And then ten minutes later
I'm sent a doughnut in my hand, going, oh, you know,

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you didn't listen to me. What'sgoing on here? You know, what
the heck are you doing with adonut? And then I go here's the
point. The subconscious mind is arecording device that is recording these habits.
It's a machine. There's nobody inthere. Point. If you're talking to
yourself, then presumably somebody is listeningto you. You say, well,

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who's listening? You say, subconsciousis listening. I go, no,
no, no, you see,subconscious is a machine. There's nobody in
there. So if you want tochange the recording on a disc, you
can put the disc into the machineand you can talk to the machine.
All you want is never going tochange anything. And that's the most frustrating
thing because we can see what wewant to change. We know what we
want to change, we tell ourselves, and yet it doesn't work. And
I say why subconscious mind doesn't learnthat way? It learns to A through

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a hypnosis or B through repetition.And I'm going to add a third one
right now because it's really important.There's a whole new field, and this
is the exciting one called energy psychology. And energy psychology is our modalities of
changing subconscious programs that rely on superlearning processes. And you say super learning,

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I go, yeah, Maybe seensomebody read a book by moving their
finger down the page. As fastas they move the finger down, they
read every word on the page,and they flip through a book and they
can read a book in minutes.That's an expression of super learning. I
say, what's the point. Isay, with some of these modalities,
you can change a belief you hadyour whole life in about ten or fifteen

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minutes. Wow, this is prettyexciting. I go, yeah, we've
had problems changing beliefs from before forwhat reason. Way, because we thought
that the conscious mind subconscious mind wereone and the same. So the conscious
mind became aware of something, ofcourse the subconscious mind should have followed along.
Okay, first mistake, No,they're two separate minds. Second,

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we believe that, well, onemind can talk to the other mind.
I go, okay, false,because the talker in the conscious mind is
trying to talk to the subconscious whenit's just a machine. Nobody's in there.
So that's why the failure of that. Okay. And then what we
have to recognize this in the subconsciousmind learns in different ways, as I
said, hypnosis, repetition, andnow energy psychology. So I say you

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want to activate change, Well,there are three fundamental ways you can do
it. Number one. In theold days, it was called subliminal tapes.
Maybe they're called subliminal CDs Now.Basically, you put earphones on as
you're going to bed, and youhave a tape that gives a relaxation exercise
followed by a belief statement you wantto download about your life and what's interesting

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is you go to sleep, andas you're going from a wake to sleep,
you pass through data. The functionof the brain of hypnosis. Your
conscious mind doesn't hear what the tapeis playing. The subconscious is hearing what
the tape is playing. So asyou have the earphones down at night,
and as you're starting to go offthe sleep and the conscious mind checks out,
the subconscious mind is now hearing anew program repeatedly put in. So

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it's making you a new program bypassingconsciousness. So that's one way. Number
two, as I said, repetition, Well, if you want to do
something different, then you have tolet just repeat the process. And at
first it's a struggle why because you'retrying to create something against an old habit.
But the idea is repetition of anew habit creates the new habit.

(01:28:30):
You know. I can remember moldenough. Remember before there were seatbelts in
the car, and nobody ever drovewith seatbelts, and all of a sudden
there was a law you have toput a seatbelt on. And it's like,
every time I put the belt on, oh my god, I hate
the stupid belt, you know,and I would fuss over it all the
time, and at some point ofdoing that for how long, I don't
know how long it was, thenall of a sudden, it was like
it was so automatic that I getin the car. I don't even have

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a discussion in my head. Iautomatically put the seatbelt down before I can
drive the car, because it's anow a habit. Okay, so habits
start out begrudgingly, but when yourepeat them, you're making a new recording,
and that recording will override the oldrecording. So that's a second way
of changing it. And then Isay the energy psychology modalities, and they're

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very interesting because at least you knowa couple of the ones that I know
have profound effects on the brain thatyou can you can put a person,
you wire their head with the EEGto read their brain activity, and they
go through one of what they're calledbalances or whatever you know process to make
a belief change. You can putthe wires on the person's head. And

(01:29:38):
a friend of mine does as aneuroscientist, and he has people in the
audience and somebody wants to have achange of belief, they bring them up
to the front. He puts onthe wires and he has projected above the
person on the screen the live EEGof the brain. And what's very interesting
about it is the person goes througha belief change process and the audience can

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see the change occur in the EEGwhile it's happening, like, oh my
god, look it happened, evenbefore the individual on the stage acknowledges that
the audience could see when the changeoccurred. So basically it sounds like new
age woo woo. But we nowcan record these changes that occur uh,
and they're very profound. And forme, I've always lived by this old

(01:30:26):
saying necessity is the mother of invention. And interestingly, we're stage of our
evolution where necessity says we must changeour beliefs fast. And that new invention
is energy psychology. So I'm unclearexactly what is it like affirmations and things
or is it something new? Soit's a little deeper than that. It

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usually involves some processing to engage thesuper learning process. I know one very
well because for years, I meanI engaged the process in my own life,
and it wasn't for that, Iwouldn't have been able to write that
book ten years ago, because Ihad so much trouble with a belief system

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that you know, I was aconventional research scientist and you know your you're
standing in the community is based onhow others view you in the community.
And my subconscious mind had to acknowledge. I said, you know, if
you write this book, you're goingto alienate all those people that validate you
as a researcher. And so mysubconscious mind kept sabotaging writing the book because

(01:31:35):
I saw that this would this wouldbe problem. And so I did a
belief check and sure enough, that'swhat the I found that the belief was
protecting me from losing my scientific status. Uh, And I had to put
in a new belief. And that'sthe first time, one of the first
times I used this process called psycha, and that we wrote a new belief

(01:31:58):
about writing the book and getting itdone no problem and all that, and
within the shortest time, within twoor three months after that, the book
was done. So it was removinga block that was unconsciously trying to protect
me by saying, if you dothis, this is bad. And I
had to get that block out.And so I tried it and it was

(01:32:19):
like a ten minute process or somethinglike that. It was totally amazing.
But the idea about it was thathow does this one work? Well,
I know because there's a you getinto a posture and it's called the whole
brain posture, and you cross yourarms and your legs. And it's why
it's important is because from before ageseven, when all that learning that the

(01:32:43):
child is downloading, how quickly theycan download all kinds of stuff. Like
a three year old in a familythat has three different languages running in the
family, a three year old willpick out and learn all three languages as
independent languages. And I say,yeah, But after a child is let's
say eight or nine, you tryand teach one new language, and all
of a sudden you're up against thewall and they say, well, how's
the three year old to it?And that eight or nine year old couldn't

(01:33:05):
do it? And I say,before age seven, our brains left and
right hemispheres work in harmony with eachother. After age seven, there's a
wave cycle that during sometimes during theday, you're more in the left brain,
and then sometimes during the day you'remore in the right brain, and
then it goes back to the leftbrains like a wave going sometimes left,

(01:33:29):
sometimes right, left, right,left, right, And I say,
well, this is profoundly important becauseeach hemisphere of the brain is associated with
different characteristics. So let's say myleft brain is logical and my right brain
is emotional. And I say,well, what's significant. I say,
well, sometimes during the day I'moperating from my left brain. I'm more
logical about everything I do, andsometimes during the day emotional things affect me

(01:33:53):
much more than logical things. AndI say, well, what's the issue.
I said, super learning or thatlearning when the child before was four
seven was associated with both hemispheres workingat the same time. As adults,
we have trouble. And the reasonis this because the system is designed to
go through the wave of left,right, left and right. And if

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you want to put in a newlearning program, it turns out if you
can synchronize the brain so that bothhemispheres are firing at the same time,
that logic and emotion are now integratedinto the program, you can rapidly download
a new program. So many ofthe exercises involve, or the modalities involved
similar kinds of exercise. There's somethingto do to engage this process, and

(01:34:39):
this is very exciting because, asI said, it's a necessity for us
in this stage of our revolution.We're facing some very serious civilization problems right
now, and we have to empowerourselves. And as we talked about,
there's two levels of empowerment right now. Number one epigenetics is, yeah,
you're in control of this and ifyou understand it, you can manifested.

(01:35:00):
And that collectively, our behavior asa culture is undermining civilization. That we're
going extinct. And it's not athousand years from now, you know,
they're talking about like civilization collapsing withintwenty years. This is reality. And
the reason why is our behavior,human behavior is undermining the web of life

(01:35:24):
and humanity itself. And so we'rein need of what a rapid MAKEO,
a rapid read THO, a rapidchange this program and get out of the
belief that life is a struggle forsurvival and get out of this belief that
you're a victim of your biology,and re empower yourselves. And then when
we do that, it doesn't changethe world. And I just love because

(01:35:47):
one of my books are called theHoneymoon Effect, and it basically says,
look, our lives may really justbe a struggle all the way up and
to a point we meet this oneperson. We meet this one person and
we fall in love and then likethe next day, it's like heaven on
earth. You know, there's periodcalled the heymoo E fact where God is
so beautiful, life and so great. I go, You know, it

(01:36:09):
was a struggle until the night beforeand the next day, all of a
sudden, it starts to become heavenon earth. I say, what's that
all about? And here's what theanswer is. As I said, ninety
five percent of our life is comingfrom the subconscious programs. And the reason

(01:36:29):
for that is because our conscious mindis thinking ninety five percent of the day.
And because it's thinking, it's notpaying attention. When it's not paying
attention, you don't stop whatever you'redoing, driving the car, walking,
whatever you're doing. You continue doingit. But now it's not controlled by
the conscious, it's controlled by thesubconscious program it's default and I go.
So it turns out ninety five percentof the day we're thinking, So ninety

(01:36:51):
five percent of the day we're playingsubconscious programs. Yes, they came from
other people, so they're not ourbeliefs and wishes and desires, and we're
manifesting ninety five percent of a daya life that we've been programmed to live,
what we can do and what wecan do, et cetera. And
then I say, so what happenedwhen you fell in love? And this
is the fun part about the movieThe Matrix, which is, as I

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mentioned, it's catalog of science fiction, but for me it's a documentary.
Yes, we've been programmed for sevenyears of our life. And they talk
about taking a red pill and gettingout of the program. I said,
you know what, we now knowthat falling in love is the red till
we get out of the subconscious programmingfor a reason, and the reason simple.

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When you have someone you find afteryou're look in your whole life,
you have this one person in frontof your face, the one you love,
You don't let your mind wander,You keep your mind present, mindful.
I go, why is that relevant? Well, our life up until
that moment was being run only fivepercent by mindful and ninety five percent by
subconscious. And then after fall inlove, that moment fall in love if

(01:37:59):
switches around, and now your lifeis run ninety percent or more from the
conscious mind and less than ten percentfrom a subconscious and I say, well,
watch the relevance of that. AndI go, up, till the
moment you fell in love, yourlife was the readout print out of a
program that you got. The momentyou fell in love was taking the red
pilm. Why you stopped playing theprogram because you didn't default of the subconscious,

(01:38:21):
because you were mindful. And Isaid, well, what was the
consequence of being mindful without playing theprogram? I said, the honeymoon heaven
on Earth. I go, well, wait a minute, so the heaven
on Earth is a reality except whenyou play the program. I go yeah.
And so when people change the program, we can take this what looks

(01:38:43):
like hell on Earth and everyone couldlive honeymoon on Earth. It's the same
Earth. It's just an attitude change. So this is why we're so moving
toward an evolutionary upheaval, and it'san evolution of people, not in biology,
in genetics, but in consciousness.It just says we have to learn,

(01:39:04):
we can get out of the program. We can create new programs,
and using the subliminal tapes, usingthe repetition habit thing, or using energy
psychology, these are all ways thatyou can rewrite any of the programs in
your life that you got in thefirst seven years that are causing new problems.

(01:39:29):
And I'm going to keep talking foranother second. Look all because I
came up with something interesting about It'slike, you say, well, wait,
what I got these programs? AndI say, well, what are
the programs? And you go,wait, Actually, the program started when
you were in the last trimester ofpregnancy and continue through the first seven years.
So I said, oh, youhad a lot of programming before you
were born. You got programming yourfirst year, tremendous quantity second year,

(01:39:53):
and I just say, hey,Nicole, tell me what thing you learned
when you were one year old?What's the program that you learn You go,
I have no idea. The programwas one year alive. Why well,
the conscious mind wasn't even really workinguntil around seven at some point.
I mean, it has memories,but it's not conscious memories much. I
will talk about that, but whyis it relevant? Because I say,

(01:40:14):
well, what are the programs thatyou got in your subconscious mind that could
be sabotaging your life? They say, well, I don't really know because
I wasn't conscious when I got theprograms. And then I go Okay,
now to make life easy again.Our lives are by definition ninety five percent
coming from the subconscious. So bydefinition, your life is essentially a print

(01:40:38):
out of your subconscious programs. Isaid, well does that mean? I
say, well, look, anythingyou like that comes easily into your life
comes there because you have a programthat allows them to be there. In
contrast, and this is the one. Anything you work hard at, anything
you struggle over, anything you puteffort into, anything you sweat over,

(01:40:59):
why are you working so hard?The answer inevitably, you have a program
that doesn't support that conclusion. AndI say, well, then why is
this? You know, what's theimportance of that? I understand? I
say, good, you don't needa lot of Now let's this. All
you have to do is look atis the life and say what part isn't
working and then just look for theprogram that part and change that part.

(01:41:19):
You don't have to go back andsay who did what to make the program?
Who when and how did it happen? That just makes it replay again.
That just irritates that. That's whyyou got to have so much cleanex
When you go to the strength there, you know it's like, now is
this there's an old saying, don'tkill the messager over the message. The
point is simply this, the programin your mind is the message. How

(01:41:42):
you got the message, that's totallyirrelevant. You're living with a message.
So basically, deal with a message. And the idea is, then don't
go backwards in your life, lookat where you are now and make a
list and understanding of what are thethings that don't come easily to you that
you want? And I say wow, And then I would check a belief
about having those things, because therealmost inevitably will be a belief that will

(01:42:06):
not support it. And you weresabotaging yourself ninety five percent of the day
when those subconscious beliefs are actually plain. Okay, I think I ran that
spiel out in Nicoll, but I'djust like to let you go so you
can cramis much in there. Butyou have something you said, something that
obviously needs to be highlighted and underscored. So we have to get this,

(01:42:30):
get out of this survival victim programmingnow to avoid a collapse of humanity in
about twenty years. Is that whatI heard you say? Absolutely, we
now know that, and I knowthe estimates have been longer than reality.
That the scientists are finding that thethings they were predicting are happening faster than

(01:42:54):
their original predictions. And one ofthem, for example, is how about
this, no saltwater fish in theocean twenty forty eight. I go that
luck. Now, you know,it's like, listen, tell your grandchildren
there used to be fish in theocean at one point. No, because
we're overfishing and destroying the breeding groundsand polluting the water and all that.

(01:43:14):
It's like it's on its way out. That half the wildlife that was on
this planet in nineteen seventy doesn't existanymore. We lost half the animals on
this planet since nineteen seventy half it'sactually fifty two percent. And yeah,
all of this why it turns outhuman behavior. We're undermining ecosystems, We're

(01:43:38):
pillaging the planet. We're taking allthe resources and polluting and destroying, and
we think like, oh, wehave no effect on it. It's like,
no, we are causing. Andthis is a fact of science.
So I'm gonna say this is thefact of science, and that is this.
We are into what is called thesixth mass extinction of life on this

(01:43:58):
planet. Lifetimes. In the historyof this planet, life was thriving and
then some catastrophic thing happened and fiftyto eighty or percent of all the wildlife
on the planet disappeared, just youknow, gone. And they attribute things
like maybe asteroids hitting or comets hittingthe earth and upsetting the environment, or
massive geological activity volcanoes, earthquakes andstuff like that, and they say,

(01:44:25):
when we're looking at the loss ofspecies today, it is greater and faster
than the loss of species in theprevious mass extinction. And we're at a
level now where it's now mass extinctionapproaching because the organisms are getting lost.
As I said, fifty two percentof the animals are gone. And so

(01:44:46):
all of a sudden, it reallysays, is that we are in a
process called the six mass extinction oflife. And yet science, as I
said, hasn't knowsed what the causeis. It's human behavior, And all
of a sudden it says, well, if you want to stop the sixth
mass extinction, then we must stophuman behavior the way it's working, because

(01:45:06):
it's destructive of not just the humans, but of the planet in which we
live, and we're destroying ourselves andthe planet so we see all these crises,
and to me this is very important. You look at the crisis.
There's an economic crisis. You know, we have a healthcare crisis. We
have government crises here, climate changecrisis here, and you start to make

(01:45:29):
a list of them and you gowow, and I go you see what
the illusion is that these are allseparate things, and in fact there's no
They're all connected to one thing,and that is us, and that's connected
to the sixth mass extinction. Sowhat are we seeing. We're seeing things
like let's say, a monetary crisisor a fuel crisis or you know,

(01:45:50):
food crisis, which is happening now. And I say, well, what
happens when you get these crisis Theanswer is this, you cannot continue the
way you have been doing things becauseit won't work out way anymore. You
hit a wall, you must change. Ah. The word change that means

(01:46:11):
we change the way we live inorder to survive. That by definition,
means we're changing civilizations because the waywe have been living in the cultural beliefs
of this civilization are responsible for thiscollapse. And so when you look at
the world and you see all thosebad headlines and everybody's going, oh my
god, it's so scary, andI go no, no, you don't
get it. This is good news. It's good news. For the reason

(01:46:35):
is this, the system has tobreak down to build a new system.
We can't fix this old one becausethat's the one that caused the problems.
The more you try and fix it, the more you keep the problems going.
So while people are looking in fear, I really want to say,
wait a minute, you're focusing yourefforts and energy on the wrong side.

(01:46:55):
You should be focusing your efforts andenergy on the side of where's the change.
Where do we go from here?How is this going to be?
And I'm going to tell you what. All the people that I started to
know being myself one of them steppingoutside of the box and living in a
different way and found that there's amuch kind, kinder, and gentler planet
outside of the conventional world if youget out of the programming. And the

(01:47:16):
reason why this is important is becausethe evolution means that the system is going
to collapse, and it's required becauseit doesn't. Extinction is right in front
of you right now. So whenyou look at it, if you look
at it in fear, as Isaying this is the Remember the picture in
your mind makes your health. Partof the illnesses of this planet is to

(01:47:39):
be in fear of these changes becausethe picture of fear means threat, and
the threat changes the chemistry of yourbody and a protection, and that will
actually shut down your growth and yourimmune system. In fact, that's one
of the biggest cause of problems intoday's world, the fear. So if
you look at this crisis as fear, you're not helping yourself for the planet

(01:48:00):
if you think about it, Ilook at the crisis as good, where
there are other ways to solve thisthing. There's another way to do life
better than this thing and the waywe've been living and uh, and it's
changing. So when you look atthe world and you see all the upheaval,
is yeah, because we're in atransition, stay from an old type
of civilization, the one we're inscientific materialism based on matter, and moving

(01:48:25):
into a more holistic civilization where energy, which includes spirit is brought back into
the equation because we've left that outof the picture. So we're moving into
a new civilization right now. Andthat's why when I got on you know,
when we started a call today andI mentioned cultural creatives is because the

(01:48:45):
people that are listening to your showand the call, which is very important
this show is saying, look,there is life outside the box. There
are other ways of living, andthe sooner you learn it, the more
prosperous your life will be. Becauseif you resist the learning, it's going
to hurt, because things are nothappy if you resist it. So my

(01:49:06):
message is, okay, we canchange our way. Look at the world.
Start to recognize that what do youwant from life versus what the program
said you would be? And thisis a time of great flux and change
and opportunity to rewrite the programs,create the new world and move out of
this collapsing one into a civilization thatwe can drive into. That's what's in

(01:49:30):
front of us, and that's reallywhat we have been doing. But you're
saying we need to really bring itnow. Well, yeah, there's talk,
and then we got to do theaction for and I know that from
my own self. You know,look, when that biology belief came and
I had and I understood the natureof Oh my god, how my perceptions
and beliefs and attitudes control my life. I got so excited. I want

(01:49:51):
to go out and tell everybody,because I thought, look, tomorrow,
the world will change when everybody knowsthis. And I'd get whatever I could.
People get together and I give alecture. I say, if you
understand what I'm talking about, Ican have the most wonderful life on this
planet. And then that audience inthose early days, they'd look at me
and cock their heads and go,you know, lived in your life doesn't
look so good for a guy saysyou know this stuff. And that was

(01:50:15):
the big wake up call call itbecause I almost said, well, do
as I say, not as Ido. And then I realized, oh
my god, here you've got thisgreat secret of life. You want to
tell everybody else about it. You'renot doing it. I realized, Yeah,
here's the difference. You can createall that knowledge in your conscious mind,
but if you don't apply it inyour behavior, and you don't apply

(01:50:36):
it in your life, then it'slike information up on the top of a
trivia game someday, but you haven'tdone anything. And that's what I had
to do, is like wait,and now that I know how it works,
I now have to manifest the lifeusing these principles, and God,
I have to tell you. Imean, look, my last book was
called the Honeymoon Effect. Why well, when you start to see Earth as

(01:51:00):
heaven where you came to create,it changes everything about the way we live
on this planet. Well, holysmokes, the time has just it's by
us. That's a perfect pause moment, have an honor. It's a lot
better than destruction of total humanity.Yeah, there's a good destination and joy

(01:51:21):
will be there and happiness and loveand community sharing. I see it because
I've been around the world and I'veseen people moving in that direction and been
in communities where things like that aregoing on. It's like, oh my
god. Sometimes we think this isnever going to happen. And what we
don't realize, Nicole, is thatthere are so many groups out there,

(01:51:42):
so many shows such as your own, providing this new information, and we
don't see the other ones. Andtherefore we look and say, yeah,
I guess we're the only ones here. And it turns out no, we
have large numbers of us all overthe planet, but they're not connected yet.
But one you know, it couldbe overnight, just like a Berlin
wall boom, they all decide toconnect and the world will change the next

(01:52:03):
day, just like what happened inthe Berlin Walk coming down. That's a
beautiful vision and we need people likeyou out there waking people up and shredding
these new paths and so we cansee the vision and hold it together.
It's very important. Do you knowwe didn't really get to the forty pages
and you mentioned you mentioned Fountain ofYouth. I can't believe it. We

(01:52:28):
have to have you back. Thatwould be that would be wonderful fountains.
That is a good story because it'sreal. Okay, I want to hear
it. So we've got it.That's good. Now that means a future
invitation. I'm ready it does.That's exactly what it means. So,
oh my gosh, there's a showright behind us who we've got about to
sixty seconds to the top here,So doctor breuslips and how do they get

(01:52:53):
your updated biology? It's the wholebook, Amazon bookstores, everywhere, my
website, which is simple Bruce Liptondot com. Most any bookstore should have
it, and I really hope peopletake a look at it because it's a
book of knowledge of self and knowledgeis power. Therefore, biology belief is

(01:53:17):
knowledge of self, empowerment and that'swhat it really is, a tool knowledge
to change your life. Tuda.Well, there you go. I will
be emailing your office today with potentiallytimes because of course we've left on a
big cliffhanger. We won't want tohear about the Fountain of Youth and all
the other good stuff, so wewill talk to you soon, I hope.

(01:53:42):
So thank you so much, Nicole, Thanks so much for being here.
Always a pleasure. Doctor Bruce Litten, author Biology of Belief, and
the new tenth anniversary edition with thosemysterious extra pages is now out, so
look that up. We'll post itup on our site as well and soul
dot com. And we're back withmore right after this. This is Nicole

(01:54:03):
Whitney, News for the Soul,life changing talk radio from the uplifting to
the unexplained. James, the greathonor to have you on the show tonight.
Welcome to you Batch with that,thank you. Yes, this is
Ori Hirie. It's Nicole Whitney callingNews for the Soul. Welcome to News
for the Soul of Robert Allen.Thank you, Nicole. It's great to
be here with you tonight. Whyare you here. We're talking to Carolyn

(01:54:26):
Mace forbout Sacred Contracts, one ofher many best selling books. Welcome to
the show, Great Breton, Well, good evening, Nicole. It's certainly
a pleasure here your voice, anda pleasure to be here tonight. Welcome
to the show, Stuart Wild,Thank you very much, John Keiko.
Welcome to News for the Soul.Hey, how are you next up?
Doctor David Marhaus. I'm so gladthat you called me because you are doing

(01:54:51):
such an important task, important work, because you are spreading a very positive
message. I was really moved aboutlast week's show because we made a commitment
to a worldwide event to try tochange consciousness. I'm feeling enormous energy around
this show. It's just enormous,enormous. I really have to hand it

(01:55:15):
to you, Nicole. You havecreated sort of a niche of amazing,
amazing connections that's just like the angelsand the davitads that are like attracted to
News for the Soul is amazing.Hello, everybody, This is Danian Brinkley.

(01:55:41):
Welcome to the Hearts and Minds ofa Pullman. Fifth is Duds for
the Soul. I mean that wasweird. I don't think about Art Bell
every day. Well, wait,I passed at ten thirty in the morning,
so you don't ever know you poppedin here. Well then he wasn't

(01:56:02):
alive then, so you know,here's our He punched in on the chat
room. And the day he died, I said, well that doesn't really
that doesn't really mean that he wasreally alive. You know, I think
that all the people out there whowould find a way to Oh, he'll
do it, he'll come back,he'll do it, He'll find a way.

(01:56:26):
He says, let's go get themail. And he had bought him
a grand damn transam four hundred horsepowerokay, for speed when it was brand
new. And we went and gotthe mail at one hundred and forty two
miles an hour, okay. Andthat was that. Joy Art was about

(01:56:48):
Art Art's ability to openly, consciouslyexplore realities based on the credibility of the
research he had done on the personthat's on the air. This is how
he was. There was no casualnessabout it. He was ready, and
he was worried. He was worriedabout this drought he had seen and that

(01:57:09):
people were going through. And hewent on the radio and he decided,
he decided that he was going totry to use the power of prayer because
it had been something we had talkedabout, and it's something we had talked
about, and you know, whatwere those possibilities Because we would talk about
it, he'd hear showed that hethought was important, and there was me,

(01:57:30):
there was to me and another twoother people that he would talk to
about it. And so he decidedhe was going to get all of the
coast to coast people. There's probablyfifteen million people that would listen to the
show, so thirteen million people thatwould listen to the show. And so
Art set up prayer. He setup a prayer for rain and it started
raining the next day, I remember, and it rained like for five or

(01:57:55):
six days. Okay, that wasmy favorite one because all of a sudden
I was calling him Art, Godand and and but he had he had
nowhere to go. Nicole, Iremember that consciousness, that experiment with the
Joe, And it was interesting howwe explored that afterwards, because he came

(01:58:16):
afraid that when it scared the crapout of him. I know, it
scared the crap out of him.I had to listen to it for like
a week, you know, andyou know, he has to come off
his high horse. I was insuch pain in that brain surgery thing in
ninety seven, Nicole. You knowthat was like, oh my God,

(01:58:38):
when I blew my brain out andsubdued him with Tomas and I was crushing
Art. Got people to pray forme, and I never knew this until
later. I never knew this tilllater. But at about two o'clock one
morning, or like three o'clock onemorning, and when I couldn't take it
anymore, the room clears. Isin the hospital there, room cleared.

(01:59:00):
There was no noise or any ofthat. And knowing that, I thought
I was going to die from thebrain surgery because you'd have to do open
art surgery and brain surgery at thesame time, and there was no way
I could make it through it sohard. Got people to pray, and
I know the moments because I couldorganize my line, I could I could
get away from the pain, andI could organize my life. And that

(01:59:25):
went on for like three or fourhours before it all came back. The
pain came back, and it wasat the exact same time that Art had
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Now let's get back to the showand we are alive Saturday, April twenty
first, twenty eighteen, and veryvery special guest with me today, my

(02:01:04):
original co host in the first twoyears of being on air radio, transitioning
out of Positive News newspapers, etcetera, the one and only Daniel Brinkley.
We're going to get him started ina moment I'm just going to remind
you, first of all, DanianSaved by the Light at Peace and the
Light Secrets of the Light. It'sbeen a while since I've talked to him,

(02:01:26):
so maybe more titles after that.Daniean dot Com is his website.
If you're unfamiliar with Danian, whichI know many of you are not.
Recently Friday the thirteenth, last week, April thirteenth, twenty eighteen, unexpected
and somewhat surprising passing of Art Bell. We're here to honor his legacy in
paranormal radio and remember him. Danianwas a regular on his show for many

(02:01:49):
years and a good friend. Sowe're going to bring Danian on and catch
up with him and talked about thelife changing legacy of the Art Bell radio
career. Janian, welcome back.What's certainly an absolute pleasure to be back
with you. Nicole. I've missedyou. I thought about you often,
come on and me too, andthinking about in the early days. I

(02:02:12):
was just reminiscing about those early daysand just how far you've brought people's consciousness
has a lot to do with likeArt Art. Art was in trouble and
when he had come to a placewhere they called it COPD. But you
know, you smoked cigarettes for fortyyears, and it was like a trademark

(02:02:33):
of his, and so that's whatfinally finally ended it. But when I
talked to him about three weeks Nicole, before this happened, because Art my
state friends, I was the firstperson to prove to Art bell but that
people could read other people's minds.I mean, that was one of his
shows, you know, And itwas like all of a sudden, a

(02:02:54):
reality shifted in his consciousness that thestuff he was listening to on the radio,
there were possibilities that some of thatstuff could be true. And so
when I was talking to him,he was he was in more pain,
you could hear it. And asit gotten closer, you know, he
just it just got to be toomuch for him. Every breath, every

(02:03:17):
breath was a pain. So whereverArt is today, wherever he is,
and that vast cosmic range of knowledgeand love and divinity that it exists to
permeates our existence, Art knows theanswers to everything that was unexplained of all
those people he listened to and allthose things that's going on through his life,

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or in what coast to Coast becameand then Art has the privilege of
knowing the answers to every one ofthose questions that we all sought by listening
to his radio show. And heis not in pain. I mean I
went to the future. I wasjust going to share with you, Dani,
and that on Friday the thirteenth,the day he passed, he actually
popped in to my consciousness unexpectedly,and I did. I found out later

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that was the day he passed,So I know that we were meant to
do this tribute show today. Yeah, he might not have. He might
have. He might have popped inon that and wasn't even here. This
is the fun part about Art.Think about it in Nicole. Art knows
it all. And Art was brilliant. He was as great a radio personality

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as ever. I mean his skillset and his ability to listen and to
take apart and dissect the conversation becausehe never believed anything, and that's what
made him can He kept that monikeras he explored, and he would go
with it. If you know,if you're Satan, call me, you
know, I can remember that show. You know, the devil or you

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And he would have fundamentalist songs.He'd have a bunch of fundamentalists on the
goal, and then he would geta bunch of swamies and he would just
start and hurry up. If youwere a time travel or from the future,
if yeah are if you just crazy, okay, I mean he would

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be. It was so good,and he had these little perks about him.
Most people. He was a poolshark. I mean he could shoot
serious pool I mean serious okay.And he was a practical joker. And
people never saw that personality, youknow, that place where it was just
Art Bell and as a human being, he was wonderful and and why me

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part and I became really fast friendsbecause I gave him a way to look
at stuff people were talking about Nicole, just like in our early days.
I would listen. But I've beendead, and I understand from a different
point of view. When I lookat stuff, I look at it completely
different. And Art watched me dothat, and he would he would,

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uh, he would explore stuff andwhat I thought about it, you know,
not that it was right or wrong, It's just what my opinion of
it was. As I would lookat it. And he was so funny,
you know. And as the yearswould pass. We would talk about
issues and global and prophecy and youknow, the things that were unfolding because

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as and when Mona passed, andMona was his soul, you know,
she was that place that had changedhim into who and what coast to coast
became. And every great man there'sa great woman, and she she was
the perfect blend for him. Hewas watching the changes because he had a
really good mind and he did hishomework. He called his own guess drink

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of parallel of someone that I'm onthe phone with right now, that is
the same. You know, Iwas thinking, Cole. When you look
at the people who who felt itsolve the truth and they've evolved, They've
evolved in a course of action ofmultiple possible realities that we as dynamic spiritual

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beings living in this demi reality practicingbeing gods. This is the place where
you come to practice be a god, and you have a right to form
an opinion of it even if itwasn't true. Okay, that's that's the
freedom of this dimension. Because inthe other dimensional realities, based on the
restrictions that applied to enter that reality, then the fact that whether it was

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right or wrong is not an issuewhat exactly happens based on the divine law
and the cursive law. Whatever happens, these are the rules by which it
operates by. And you don't havethat fact that you can be wrong and
think you're right. You know,what is your first meet Art is the

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first time he's talking about all right. So Art, Art was going from
politics. He was a good politicalanalysis, he was really good at that,
and he was transitioning into from fromtalk radio politics like like you know
Hannity shows, and he started lookingat all the issues that people that's going

(02:08:01):
on around us and that no onetalked about. So I think I was
on Art show. It had tobe ninety four. Wow, it had
to be ninety four. And Iprobably did the show four or five times
a year, you know. AndArt and I started the Veterans Day Annual
Report. That was nineteen years ago. It's created the Twilet Brigade. And

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from the Twilet Brigade, Art wasa veteran, you know, nom era
veteran, and so you have thatcommonality in that conversation. And so we
started looking at what was going onin the healthcare of the veterans in the
United States. And we made anannual report every year, like I did
the twentieth one, no vivid theeleventh, and so death was big.

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This is the early nineties, youknow, death was big. Raymond was,
Raymond was. I guess the nationsgot scared and something was happening,
because that's where death becomes an issuedcare. All those things become issues in
psychologies and are explored that. SoI not only had gone through it,

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and I was like Captain Dead inthose times, and Art and I would
get into conversations and I was notradical in my belief system about the nature
of the near death experience, andI had already been through like two of
them. I'd already been through twoof them. And Art and I got
to be so much, so goodof friends that by nineteen ninety seven when

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I had to have brain surgery,and my dad was on the phone with
Raymond and they said that you know, the surgery would get me or I
was going to die and so muchI was going to be in so much
pain that no telling what I woulddo. And so they have to have
O part surgery and brain surgery,and Ramona and Art flew to Charleston,

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South Carolina, and through those criticaldays he did his radio show literally,
not literally from the room, butfrom the radio station just down the street.
That's not how good are friends thatwe evolved into because spirituality is not
a is not an elusive subject tome, you know the nature of the

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spirituality, of who we are asspiritual beings operating in this framework. It's
not like I'm on some fervorite mission. I mean, I know what happened
and how. And he would sayI was the most spiritual person he ever
met, but I was still anasshole. Well that was our that was
our descriptions. That was our Thatwas our descriptions of me. But is

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who you're referring to as Raymond correct? Say that again, doctor Raymond Moody.
Is who you're referring to as Raymondcorrect? Yeah, doctor Raymond Moody.
What I was just going to askyou, I remember you alone used
to say to callers when they wouldcall in and wanting to connect with their
loved ones that had passed. Noone used to talk about putting lighting a
candle and then remembering and talking aboutyour favorite moments with them. That would

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be really awesome to do that today. Well, if you want them to
come back and visit you. Youknow, I know how much fun Art
is having, and I know he'sstaying closed. He's not going to let
go. He will not let go. And this is me theorizing it's not
something I know is the fact aboutRaymond. But knowing Raymond and knowing those
dimensional levels of consciousness, which likeyou know, Nicole, I don't think

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there's many people who know more aboutthat about those levels is early four or
five levels than me. I studyit, so I know what Raymond's doing
and has a he has a elevenyear old and a two year old,
and he was seventy two. Andwhat you were talking about was that he
punched in on the chat room andthe day he died, I said,

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well, that doesn't really that doesn'treally mean that he that he was really
alive. You know, I thinkthat all the people out there who would
find a way to oh he'll doit, he come back, He'll he'll
find a way. I don't haveany I have a little doubt about it.
I mean that's on the day off. I mean that was weird.
I don't think about Art Bell everyday. Well, wait, I passed

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at ten thirty in the morning,so you don't ever know he went out.
Well then he wasn't. He wasn'talive then, so you know,
here's our But this is me understandingArt and the goal he knows and hurt
it all, you know, allthat stuff that we all anticipate in stuff.
And I'm not sad because I knewthe paint he was in and I

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know the way home, and Iwasn't sad. I went to the funeral,
you know, because they wanted tokeep it closed and they blocked the
media and all that stuff. ButI went to the funeral and I surveyed
and looked to see how it couldbe a service to Aaron, you know,
and anybody else to talk to.And Whitley spoke, and then I

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told this this story about Art Art, but Art went through a crisis about
his son. I knew about it, you know, and I knew about
it intuitively, and I came tosee Art and that kind of friendship because
I not only could sense and knewso much more about it than anybody was

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saying. It was amazing to him, but it was a place where Art
could settle in and understand that thereis a there is a very pattern and
nature of the spiritual dimensions or theethereal dimensions or the quantum dimensions that exist.
So I would say that Art wouldArt would sense once he lifted out,

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he would sense and feel that range, and he would be able to
slow his frequency down because he understandsradios. He's a short wave man.
He built his own he built hisown systems, so he would understand the
dynamics of the science of the artform. Where you slow your frequency down,
you set a certain harmonic, andthen that harmonicus how you dimensionally move

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while you do certain That's why breathexercises and all that, and he would
know that, so he would finda way. But where Art was at
where he was he was being adad because he felt like he'd blown it
so much in the early years aboutgoing with his other kids, because it
was the nature of Art to beable to communicate worldwide and to explore using

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shortwave radio ham operator. So hewould understand frequency dynamics and he would understand
those kinds of stuff to move.But in the early moments, and even
if you leave it a beautiful wifeand someone that's been great for him and
him great for her, and acouple of little kids and the comfort of

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where he was in his life.He would be focused on that more than
he would be focused on trying tocommunicate with any of us. But I
have no doubt that Art Bell willbe heard from again. What are your
favorite memories of Well, let's stayon the air, being on the air
with RG. Well, let metell you my one of my favorite memories
of Art Possier. Okay, okay, So I come up. He calls

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me and he says he wants tocome up. I said, okay.
So I came up and we weretalking and you know the things that had
come on, because if you knewArt Bell, you had to watch you
had to watch Somewhere in Time sohe could look at Jane Seymour and he
loved the plot of Somewhere in Time. And if you knew Art Bell,
you always had to go to thatMontac place in Michigan, Okay, where

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it was filmed, and that wasit. I mean, but I came
up and he had gotten him.I mean, we come up in the
same time, the muscle cars,you know, the stuff that old guys
can talk about. And he said, he said, let's go get the
mail, and he had bought hima grand damn transam four hundred horse power

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okay, four speed when it wasbrand new, and we went and got
the mail at one hundred and fortytwo miles an hour, okay. And
that was that joy. You know, This is the relationship is two guys
growing up in the fifties in thesixties, you know, growing up in

(02:16:18):
that timeframe. And that was ajoy, the best one on the radio
because the people used to laugh.Because art was about art. Art's ability
to openly, consciously explore realities basedon the credibility of the research he had
done on the person that's on theair. This is how he was.

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There was no casualness about it.He was ready, and he was worried.
He was worried about this drought hehad seen and that people were going
through. And he went on theradio and he decided, he decided that
he was going to try to usethe power of prayer because it had been
something we had talked about, andit's something we had talked about, and

(02:17:03):
you know, what were those possibilitiesbecause we would talk about it. Here
showed that he thought was important.And there was me, there was to
me and another two other people thathe would talk to about it, and
so he decided he was going toget all of the coast to coast people.
There's probably fifteen million people that wouldlisten to the show, so thirteen

(02:17:24):
million people that would listen to theshow. And so Art set up prayer.
He set up a prayer for rainand it started raining the next day,
I remember, and it rained likefor five or six days. Okay,
that was my favorite one, becauseall of a sudden, I was
calling him our gods and and buthe had he had nowhere to go,

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Nicole, about the reality of thepower, of the nature of the combination
of divine people, people coming togetherfor a good reason or people coming together
for a bad. Energy was there, and that energy operates there, and
he had a way to see itin his own life. Well, that's
a guy just maturing in the divineway and watching what he's hearing being true.

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When he applied it. He neverdid it again, except when I
was in such pain in that brainsurgery thing in ninety seven, Nicole.
You know that was like, ohmy god, when I blew my brain
out and subdued him with Tomas andI was crushing Art got people to pray
for me. And I never knewthis until later. I never knew this

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till later. But at about twoo'clock one morning, or like three o'clock
one morning, and when I couldn'ttake it anymore, the room clears is
in the hospital bell the room cleared. There was no noise or any of
that. And knowing that, Ithought I was gonna die from it,
the brain surgery, because you'd haveto do open our surgery and brain surgery

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at the same time, and therewas no way I could make it through.
So Art got people to pray,and I know the moments because I
could organize my life I could not. I could get away from the pain
and I could organize my life.And that went on for like three or
four hours before it all came back. The ban came back, and it
was at the exact same time thatArt had gone on the air, you

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know, and when he talked tomy dad and they you know, it
wasn't I wasn't going to make it, and so he came and then I
told that story. I told thatstory, and I didn't know that Art
had done that. Now, Ididn't know. It was just another moment
in phenomena you know how I amabout phenomena that reinforces that what I believe

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about how great and wonderful we allare is reinforced. And this is the
things that watching Art like where hewould be right now, he would be
paying attention to Aaron and the kidsand he would focus that energy surrounding them
more than he would be intellectually searchingfor a way to get back here.
But he'll be back, But I'lltell you some of the funniest he had

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The Devil called in and he Ithink Art kind of knew who this guy
was, you know, because he'sheard him on other shows. Because Art
was a lot about letting people askquestions. You know, he would do
the show and then it would becalling in, and it'd be truckers,
people out in the world working allnight in seers and people working all night,

(02:20:24):
the people of the night in bars, you know, all across America,
all across the world, and thatwas just Art and the night brings
that kind of comfort to explore thosekinds of things, and Art saw it.
He saw it as a as away to put information out there that's
truly out there from him being youknow, not a crank and to see

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this out there and to make ithappen. I remember, I remember that
consciousness experiment with the Joe, andit was interesting how we explored that afterwards
because he came afraid that wouldn't scaredthe crap out of him, I know,
but they scared the crap out ofhim. I had to listen to
it for like a week, youknow, and you know, he has
to come off his high horse.He's wonderful and no remember, as grand

(02:21:13):
as human being as you want tomeet. You know, it went through
some tough situations in coming up ofit, coming up and going from just
being a radio jock swinging wax.I mean was he opened up a radio
station with like a ten mile radiusup in trump and all he played was
oldies, but goodies. He programmedit. And this was where he first

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started out, and he had hisown radio station and he ran in the
radio station and he played oldies,just where he started. And then he
evolved in the news because he hasa smart breed perspective. And then he
evolved into paranormal and he loved thenight. You know, he's like a
lot of us. A lot ofus love the night. And then people

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are working. And he saw fromthe conversations of people calling in that some
of these people were just as crazyas hell, and then some of them
were brilliant who had understood and lookedat it and thought it through and it
was logical, especially first observers.Art could tell the difference between somebody who
really did it happened to and whowas just telling a story. He was

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really good at it. The otherthing to Nicole, brilliant. He could
he could control the movement of thethought pattern of his audience with ahaz and
two words to change the tempo inthe perspective, because he knew when the
person would be moving from putting outinformation or repeating their standard stick. You

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know, no matter no matter whoyou are, you know, Art could
hear, and he could listen tosee when it was going into a direction
or changing. You know, hecould just tell know when it was going
to get ready to just to becomesome rhetoric. I mean, how people
do you know? How people do? Nicole, and you look at you,
I'm this is I celebrate our bellebecause he was my friend and we

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became friends because I had a conI had a different viewpoint about what all
the stuff I didn't know too muchabout UF