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Reporting from the leading edge of humanity'sconsciousness evolution since nineteen ninety seven. This
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Now here's your host, the oneNews for the Soul listeners are calling the
Oprah of the Internet, Nicole Whitney. Well, welcome to News for the

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Same, Doctor David Hawkins. Thisis doctor Hawkins. Hi, doctor Hawkins,
how are you. I am soglad we connected. I first heard
about your first book when I wasactually at a talk with Wayne Dyer and
he had been explaining to the audiencethat he had changed his I mean,
this book had just changed his entirepath. And then I heard several other

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speakers say the same thing at otherevents, and I thought, I got
to check out this book. Myunderstanding is you has been able to map
out energy levels of consciousness. Isthat right? It was based on the
discovery of how to tell truth fromfalsehood. As part of consciousness research,

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we discovered that we could tell truthfrom falsehood. And because the basis of
it is really the basis of consciousnessitself, the field of consciousness recognizes truth,
it doesn't recognize falsehood, so it'snot true versus false test. It's

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a true versus not true. Andbecause consciousness itself is totally encompassing of all
mankind and it's outside of time temporaltime, we discovered we could find the
truth or falsehood of anything anywhere intime or place. Any person that ever

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lived, anything, they ever thought, anything ever written, every piece of
music. Fact, we're currently doinga book with a thousand calibrations of everything
from ancient pyramids to all the greatphilosophers, the great artists, and all
the aspects of current society. Soit's a really incredible research tool. So
I started to have anyone and howdid you first come across this concept?

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Well, I myself had had somewherewhat the ROLL calls enlightened enlightening experiences very
early, and they tended to recurand then became extremely overwhelming in my late
thirties. What was happening, Well, the first one began really at age

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three, when out of total oblivion, I suddenly became aware of consciousness.
I became aware of existence. Ihad no verbalization for it, but there
was a nonverbal awareness of existence,and instantly up became the fear of non

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existence. If I exist, thenit could have come about that I would
have might not have come into existence. So that's a spiritual work. That's
called the polarity of the opposites.It's a duality, and really it doesn't
get resolved until very advanced spiritual evolutioncalibration level about one hundred and fifty.

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That took me fifty years. Andthen a teenage I and a near death
experience in a snowbank. And inthose days nobody ever heard of such things.
But in the middle of a blizzard, I climbed into a snowbank to
keep from freezing to death, andsuddenly a warm you know, it was

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obviously divinity, a warm glow.Ever, presence prevailed and there was no
personal self left. The only realitypresent was this infinite love in which any
personal self totally dissolved. And infollowing that experience I never mentioned anybody what

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would you say about it? Butthere was a transformation, completely lost all
fear of death. I've never hada fear of death World War two,
you know, I forgot killed anumber of times, and I had no
anxiety about it. If you go, you go, I mean, he
didn't make a difference to me.Well, then then my late thirties,

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after some intensive inner spiritual work,the personal self disappeared permanently, that which
is called the mind stopped thinking andthere was only like a profound awareness of
an infinite presence, which is whatis speaking to you today seeing is there

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is no personality involved. Personality islike utilized by the self with a capitalist
and life after that point is spontaneous. That was sort of an unusual story.
Yes, it is. So you'resaying, be able to overcome the
eager mind or the lower self mindor whatever you know, and everybody calls

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it something different. Yeah, itjust disappeared into nothingness, and I saw
it was an illusion. After thatit was practically possible to function, and
I did leave the world forel closeto ten years, and and then began
to function again. And out ofthat came this research. I attended a

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lecture on kinesiology, and when Isaw the hinesiology, which chiropractors and alost
they killed practice is used rather widely. I saw that the test was based
on a response of consciousness. Itwas impersonal, and that led to the
research which allowed me to calibrate thelevels of kinds as possible to mankind from

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one to a thousand, and wefound that anything on that scale that calibrates
two hundred or over was true,and anything under two hundred was false,
and that that which is over twohundred represented power, and that which is

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under two hundred, which is detrimentalto life, represents fourth. So that
was a staggering discovery that put thefact that you could go anywhere in time
and calibrate anything. So I guessdefine mean what you mean by power as
opposed to powering over you mean sortof self impairments or two power. No,

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their qualities are different. We mightsay that power really relates to an
energy which is requires energy. Power. In other words, force goes from
here to there like a gun bulletbullet shooting goes from here there. Of

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course, power force then creates counterforce, so that one cannot really accomplish great
things in the world by force.Power is more like gravity. Gravity doesn't
go from here to there. Gravitygives out energy, sustains everything within its
field. So power is more likea field and force is more like uh,

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physicality within the field. But thereal power is coming from the field.
So when it's when it's resistance thatforce. Well, spirituality has to
do with context, which is thefield, and uh, the ego has
to do with more forest emotional forus, which is the content. So

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it led to the realization that thereason man can never arrive at what is
truth or how do you know truthis because he didn't realize the difference between
context and content and spiritually speaking,the ultimate context is God and in the

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average experienced content is a human ego. So that was you know, like
redefining what is the problem? Yeah, how did you come to set up
value for things? How did youget to that level? Setting a value
for certain levels of power resort?Yeah, how to get a calibration?
Well, we uh, by trialand error, ended up with an arbitrary

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scale of one to one thousand.It's actually a longer scale, but you
can say, in fact, anybodycan set up their own scale, even
set up your own scale from oneto one hundred or one to a million
or whatever you want. And thenyou say, well, if everything in
the universe that ever existed is,you know, goes from one to a
thousand, then where is the statueof liberty over one hundred, two hundred,

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three hundred, four hundred. Andthen suddenly you go you get a
definition and it's just stroll the muscletesting, the chinciology, muscle testing where
you stay strong or goes down?Right? Yeah, So what we mainly
said was if everything goes from oneto one thousand, is what number is
true? We got two hundred.So on the published Map of consciousness,

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two hundred is the level of honestyand integrity. Honesty, integrity, critical
critical balance point above it. Everythingmakes you go strong below that every yo
a week now. So from thatpoint, once you define a number,
you're then testing everything to see whatfactors on the relatives point to the scale

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and using chology. So here,how does it factory look? If you
know what you're testing? I guesswe should actually describe how knology works first
before I ask that question, howdoes that work? Well? The way
it's generally used throughout the world iswith two people. Some people can do
it by themselves by making the circleof their middle finger in their and their

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thumb and holding that circle and usingtheir left hand making a hook of their
forefinger, try and break that circle. When you hold something in mind is
positive, the whole musculature of thebody goes strong. The acupuncture system instantly

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recognizes truth, and you go strong. When confronted with falsity, which like
an amba backs away from poison,the body instantly goes weak. Now this
weakness is transitory, very quick response, and the acupuncture system quickly rebalances itself.

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So to do the test, orwhat we do is two people.
I use I ask the questions,and my wife will hold her right arm
out parallel to the ground, andI pressed down with two fingers on her
on the wrist of her extended arm, and I tell her resists. Okay.

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So the way I'll do it is, I'll say this radio program is
Integers, resists, and if itfigures, the person stays strong. If
they're not Integrians, she goes weak. Can we cancel it and tell them
we can't talk to them? Sodid you have to ask? Yeah?

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So, actually the calibration comes considerablyfrom intention. So we found to get
accurate results. The two people doingthe tests themselves have to be integrass.
Their personal level of consciousness has tocalibrate two hundred or over. Well,
see that was going to be mynext question is how does that factor in

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what they want the answer to be? Yeah, okay, So they both
have to be over two hundred,and the intention of the question, the
question itself has to be integrists Soyou can't use it to make money on
the stock market, because that intentionwould be coming from the solar plexus,

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gain profit money, et cetera.So one has to have a certain purity
of intention. In other words,you're asking the question for the purpose of
knowing the truth. So we discoveredthat the personal beliefs of the people doing

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the tests have nothing to do withthe response, that the response is impersonal
with This can be proven in acouple of ways. One is you don't
have to tell the the second personwhat you're holding in mind, and I
often do it that way. I'llsay what I'm holding in mind is over

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two hundred, and her arm goesstrong. It's over three hundred, arms
go strong, four hundred arms goesstrong, or four arm goes strong,
four fifty she goes down. Sowhat I'm calibrating is probably around four forty
five, you know, maybe abook title, so they don't have to

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know what it is. No,so you know, the other person doesn't
even have to know what it is. Also, the answer you get maybe
quite contrary to what you believe,And so I always say, don't do
the test unless you're willing to acceptwhatever that answer might be, which means
you out to be you have tobe dedicated to knowing the truth rather than

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affirming some positionality. Definitely not beingattached to the outcome. Yeah, in
other words, you have to bemore devoted to truth. In other words,
you have to be devoted more toGod than you do to the ego,
because the ego has positionalities. Youknow, a lot of people write
me letters and they say, pleasecalibrate this, that or the other thing.

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And they don't really want to knowthat. All they want me to
do is confirm some prejudice they havein their own mind that it's some spiritual
feature off in some remote area.Is the savior of mankind is something?
And I don't want to tell themthat the only calibrates one hundred and eighty.

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Do you get a lot of callslike that. Do you get a
lot of mail like that. Wetry to discourage it, but we get
rid of it fire piles of booksand prepositions and favors sad stories. What
we do is we teach the peoplehow to get arrive at the answer themselves,

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and if they're unable to do itthemselves, we give them a lot
of references to people who do doit and know how to do it.
On the internet, for instance,inner kinesiology, there's many references. You
know, the original work was doneby doctor John Diamond, who wrote a
book called Your Body Doesn't Lie,later put out also as Behavioral Kinesiology,

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and there's the American College of Kinesiology. So I tell people, if you
really want to know, go tokinesiology on the internet and study it and
know that way you can discern yourself. I am putting out a book which
I'm working on now, a thousandcalibrations of it'll include most of the questions

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that people ask. So I tellthem, well, in a year,
that'll be covered in a book.You our Okay, Okay, when's that
coming up? Oh that'll take mea good year. Yet, thousand calibrations,
I mean we've probably done six sevenhundred already by the time we wrote
the book, I we've done threehundred and ten thousand calibrations. Oh,

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he smokes. And what was thefocus? I haven't read that one yet.
What was the focus of the bookEye was recently Strength of the trilogy
Power Versus Forrest introduces the subject,and that book calibrates I think about eight
fifty m. Then we took thesubject further in the book the second book

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of the trilogy called the Eye ofthe Eye, meaning really spiritual discernment and
going to a higher level of consciousnessand the completion of the trip from the
evolution of mankind you might say theevolution of consciousness since it occurrence on this

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planet up for the present time andup to its highest evolution is the great
Avatar, as Christ Jesus go to. So the third book completes the evolution
all the way to the maximum possibilityof enlightenment in its highest expression. So
it's really for the serious spiritual seeker. Book one kills the wide number of

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people. Book two is more forthe spirituality seeker, and Book three is
for a person really who is dedicatedto reach the enlightenment. So what number
do you calibrate at don calibrate myself. Have they even done that for you?
Oh? God, they always dothat. Any idea where you're at
Roughly, the book always reflects thewriter's level of consciousness. So the calibration

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the book tells you what the levelof that consciousness is. And the book
was I think I the eye wasNo, let's see, Harvarsus Forrest is
a fifty. I had the eyewith nine seventy and I in nine points
whom I well, that is high. When you tested our show, I'm

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curious. I'm curious when you testedour show? What? Never you got
there when I did? What?When you tested our radio show? Oh
I do? We just ask ifthey're integrates or not? Really? Okay,
usually in the four hundreds, becausean interview show has to be done

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by somebody intellectually aware, capable,so it's usually you're almost always in the
four hundreds. You know, yes, one would hope anyway, Well,
that's the level of America. Soto have a radio show, you have
to be pretty much on the levelof the listener of the America calibrates at

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four point thirty one right now.I think Canada calibration is about the same.
Where is George Bush caliberate? Appwell? The Office of the Presidency
the United States calibrates consistently four pointfifty to four sixty has for one hundred
years. The great spiritual leaders ofthe world usually calibrate in the five high

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five hundreds. The pope and what'sthe head of the Tibetan Buddhism's world famous
Dalai Lama, they calibrate a highfive hundreds. They don't go over into
six hundred because it's six hundred.Is what happens is you become pretty immobilized.
There's only an infinite president of love. And like I was in the

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snowbank, you're personal self. Thefunction in the world is not real.
Only the presence of God is thesole reality about which nothing can be said.
You can there's nothing to say aboutit. It's give me thirty years.
The thirty years I never said anythingabout it. What can you say?

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That's somebody on the shoulders. Youwalk down the street and say,
hey, guess what, yeah,I mean, times have changed now,
Christ, But it wasn't like thisthen, you know, where it was
people who were quite open about thingsnow but seemingly anyway at least to certain
circles. I still kind of tookon your last comment there about so that
the country, the overall country inwhich uniting is calibrating at about four hundreds.

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North America calibrates around four thirty one, which is extremely uh. I
mean, that's a very intigious leveland just a lot higher than I thought
it was going to be. Well, only eight percent of the world ever
reaches the four hundreds, so itis extremely high. You know, whole
continents calibrates like ninety with the amountof violence going on and stuff. You

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know, that's what's suprimission me.But what's the amount of violence and you
know, evans and killing and youknow, violent programming. And I would
have thought that we're taking us downif not just over five hundreds. You
know. So the four hundreds isthe world of reason, the intellect,

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law, ethics, university, collegeeducation, and then about four percent of
the population, which is a calibratedlevel of five hundred, which is love.
So the five hundred really indicates theeversions of love is a dominating factor.

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And on that level, love meansa way of being in the world.
It's not an emotion like in love, it's not between two people it's
what you have become. And bythe consciousness level of five hundred and forty
is reached only by zero point fourpercent of the wilst population. And that

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is that's a level of unconditional love. Unconditional love means as a person assassinates
you, you bless them and saythank you, brother. Yeah, yeah,
total laws allowing there, that's abig yeah. And then at six

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hundred did I say that's the traditionallevel of true enlightenment. Most people don't
function in the world after that froma majority at six hundred becomes silent.
And the you don't have to staywith your body, by the way,
at six hundred is quite You havepermission, there's a standing permission to leave

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the body, and no obligation atall to either leave it or not leave
it, and the time to chooseat choose there is anybody to choose the
choosing. This seems to be operatingof its own, perhaps some karmic momentum
about whether you're going to regret yourselfand you know, continue with the body

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or not. I remember being inthat state one time, which that state
recurred, and he was in thepresence of someone help, and I realized
that if I didn't reactivate the body. He would think I died, That

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was my father. And then howI saw he would grieve because he believes
in death. Well in those statesyou realize no death is possible. But
he would grieve, and so Ibreathed again, Wow, how was we
then? Oh? Teenage? Sono one else knew what you were going

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to when those that agent there wasno one to describe it to. Near
death experiences were never heard of.The only spiritual literature I knew of where
there was religious in nature or theexperiences of the saints. Uh. Anyway,

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it was. It totally transformed thepersonality. It was never the same
after that. What other people thinkseriously seemed always to me as a joke.
Well, so you didn't get youfound he didn't get caught up in
the drama of the surface level ofthings. Well, after some years there

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is the capacity to m uh reenergize what I guess Young called the persona.
The personality which is not yourself,interacts with the world, but it
does so spontaneously, just like yourbody does that. Your body functions spontaneously

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after that, and you just witnessit, and so does the what the
world would call personality, the interactionwith the world, the capacity to verbalize,
so to re enter the world.It's not easy, and to this

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day it takes energy to enter intothe world of form, language and verbalization,
logic and all that. But whebecomes a depth with it. It's
like focusing one's energy without instead ofallowing it to be just within you,
although sometimes it goes within And Idon't know what you're talking about. Frankly,

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can I go into a different stasome kind of nonsense anyway, But
I noticed the personality once style ithas is it's endlessly humorous, and the
humor comes up of its own.No, I don't think of jokes or
anything like that. Just the mostamazingly funny things come through, and it's

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just the way of being in theworld. I definitely convinced that God has
a sense of humor. It's airrepressible, uh sense of humor, and
it sees puradox all the time.That's why I sell it laughing, because
it the puradox between the real andthe imaginary, which the world calls you

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on. Some people will say,well, don't don't you worry about war
and all that? Well, becausefrom my position, life and death are
all the same. Serial to me, So what is your perspective of that?
Right now? Very strange? Youunderstand what I'm saying that life and
dead they're all the same. Ifyou have money, you don't have money.

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Whether the body survives or doesn't survive, it's not comprehensible to ordinary consciousness.
It's not sort of somewhat add likeI said, Master is sort of
you know, has the same attitude. Whether the body continues or not,
is really your liver elevent Why becausethe body is not who you are,

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and the body is obviously a productof this world, you know, it's
just a part of the evolution ofthe animal kingdom. And so it's sort
of like a pet instead of beingme. It's a pet. You know.
Everywhere I go, this body followsaround. So I've got used to
it all these years looking at it, you know, and we have a

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lot of conversations like this on thisshow, you know. But I mean,
it's the sort of put me framesit in an interesting way. We
should actually give out a website.We've got to link on our site.
Actually, people can actually find yourbooks on our site and website and all
that. But do you have aparticular one that you want to give out
any contact information. Oh, well, there is one that has what people

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are looking for. It's called wwwdot veritas V like a Victor E.
R I T A S pub dotcom, ww period ritas pube dot com.

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Okay, so they can get moreinformation about your latest work there everything.
Yeah, perfect. I don't knowhow to work at computer, but
that's what it is. Well,that's what I wanted to ask you to
you is what is your perspective ofwhat's going on with you know this more
on terrorism and global sort of upheaval. Well, I am, in fact
give me electorate on this coming fon the spirituality and one's relationship to the

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world and the world you know asit is hitting the headlines right now.
Has to do with war and peacesthere and what are the sources of war
and peace? Well, my understandingof that is somewhat different. Peace is

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then actual condition when falsehood is removed. Therefore, war is the consequence of
falsehood. So the elimination of warthen is by the elimination of falsehood.
To be able to eliminate falsehood,you have to be able to tell troops
from falsehood, which mankind has neverbeen able to do. The consciousness level

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of mankind stood at ninety all thesecenturies, the last thousand years, so,
which is below truth because truth isat two hundred. Then in the
light late nineteen eighties, for unexplainedreasons, the consciousness level of mankind as

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a whole went from one ninety totwo o seven. Well, two o
seven is a totally different ballgame fromone ninety. At level one ninety,
greed and victory over the others andall these kinds of things are excused.
And when I grew up, youknow, you're supposed to be a success.

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Business was not constrained by ethics.You know, they say, well,
business is business, and I outrightdishonesty. I can remember I was
interviewed for a job where I wassupposed to sell something that I could see
would be you know, non inhigorous, and the sales supervisors said to me,
well, look, if you don'tget their money, somebody else will.

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Well at one endy that makes sense. Then that two o seven,
you say, you begin to realizethat you know, you're answerable for non
integrity, and it's no longer acceptable. So the world now is going through
convulsions become because coming from one ninetyto two oh seven upsets everything. Upsets

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everything. So you could look atthe totality of mankind as though it were
one person, and you might saywar is like an appendix, is about
the rupture, so it's a bitof a purification cleaning him. Well,
I got that Bris's intention was totake out the appendix before it ruptures and

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gets worse. That's what I gotwas his conscious intention, which he is
sort of the stated many times hesaid, I took an oath of office
with my hand on the Bible toprotect the lives of the citizens, and
it is my duty to carry thatout. So I would guess within his

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own understanding of integrity, he isdoing what he considers to be intigerous.
But that's what he atted that that'swhat he believes anyway. Yeah, I
think that's what he does. Soin other words, a person's intigorous if
they state what their position is andthen to live up to that position.
You know what I'm saying. It'sjust like the Taliban, I guess,

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is integerous if they think, youknow, Americans are the great Satans and
then killing them is integerous. Sothat's their view of integrity. It's different
than mine. I'm glad I wasn'tin the trade center when they carry that
out. Yeah, to get backto their relative thinking, right, Well,

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you see, mankind and basically isinnocent because first of all, he
has no way of knowing truth fromfalsehood. Secondly, the human consciousness is
like the hardware of a computer,and in society programs it like the software.
Well, you know, the hardwareof a computer cannot defend itself against

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what you put into it, Soyou can convince people that anything is the
truth. And in World War two, Gables demonstrated that he had the science
of propaganda down and his Jesus wasif you repeat a lie often enough,

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everyone will come to believe it,no matter how outrageous it is. And
he was quite successful at that.He brought up a whole generation of Germans
will worship not God but Adolf Hiddleras the fearer and willing they gave up
their lives, and of course thatfalsity costs forty million people dead. Pot

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Paul caused another twenty million dead Stalincaused another what fifty million deads Imposedly,
in the last century, one hundredmillion people died due to falsity, Go
to falsity as the soul underlying disease. Yeah, so again it comes back

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to purity of intention then, Butlike it was intention, it was his
intention. His intention was that ofthe psychopath, which in which the megalomania
of the grandiosity of the dictator iswhat the world is so ignorant as it
can't even recognize it. They thinkit's a leader when it's obviously a megalomaniac.

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They will happily kill the whole populace. In fact, say that they
deserved it, you know, theywanted to just destroy the German people.
They didn't deserve to live. They'dlost the war, So the degree of
megalomania. Don't forget. I wasa psychiatrist for fifty years, and very
few people other than experienced psychiatrists reallyrealized that what the serious psychopathology of a

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megalomaniac. They'll they'll sign a treatyone day and as you walk out the
door, they're already laughing at you. You can go back in history and
say when Neville Chamberlain signed the peaceagreement with Adolph Hitler prior to World War
Two, what was Hittler's response whenhe walked out the door was that of

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scorn but an idiot. He reallydoesn't think I'm going to go along with
this treaty. How stupid can yoube? You know? So the naivete
I think of decent people is thatwe expect other people are going to play
by the Marquis of Queensbury rules.They have no intention. They are street

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fighters and hitting you below the bellsis exactly what they intend to do.
So they we tend to project ourown personality on other cultures and presume they're
like us. They are not likeus at all, not the same values.
Even the value of life itself isnot valued in many societies, wouldn't

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even value being alive. Well,if you don't value being alive, what
can you expect such people? Youknow? And this is part of what's
what you see at play now withthe comfort to comfort. Right now you
see the megalomania again. It's whatyou see is an appendix that's been neglected

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to see and finally assessors and thenthe world has to react and the balance
of power shifts around. Well,the world's been in war throughout all the
recorded time. There's no time inhuman history when there wasn't a war going
on. In fact, at thistime, people think Iraq is the only
war. The Rock is not theonly war. There's been half a dozen

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other wars going on for twenty years. In the media, it just doesn't
catch the glamor of this war.This wars where glamorous wars or glamorous.
In Africa, there's civil wars havebeen going on for twenty years with savagery
that makes Sadam was saying, theylook like a boy Scott. They butcher

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each other and cut each other's legsoff, and disembowel each other and take
their brains out while they're still alive. I mean, that's routine in Rwanda
again, places like that to theUN just doesn't pay any attention to that
because it doesn't make headlines. Doesn'tmake headlines and there's no big money involved
in it. If all those peoplein those African nations had great wealth,

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oh then everybody, the UN andeverybody be all over it. They're poor
country. Civil cares. They killeach other the civil wars and going over
twenty years there they massacred to otherday and then around the club nobody cares.
Have you think worked out with thecalibration. Yes, of the mainstream
media. Yeah, it's in thethree hundreds. That high. Huh.

(39:14):
Yeah, well it is not allthe media, but about news in general,
it's up around four hundred or so. But the main media is in
the three hundreds. NBC News,CBS News, all those, you know,
So that's above two hundred. That'sintegrious. It is not highly intelligent.

(39:36):
Highly intelligent would be in the fourhundreds. So what they consider a
balanced view is offered quite skewed.Yeah. Well, you know, one
thing we've noticed with questions and interactionwith or so since particularly since nine eleven
and since you know, the warrantarismand all that stuff, is people of
trust level, because they're awakening moreand questioning more. Their trust level of

(40:00):
a lot of things seems to bequestioning, you know, everything, and
we get a lot of questions about, you know, whether to trust the
official story, whether to trust anyastream media coverage, and where where the
information is really coming from. They'requestioning everything basically, which I guess it's
creating the sense of wreaking up.So what would your take beyond that?

(40:21):
Yes, yes, I think theeffect of this war is everyone on the
planet more or less re examining theirown view of ethics, morality, responsibility.
What is the difference between nationalism andpatriotism. I think everybody's sort of
re examining their values is like aconfrontation, a moral confrontation, and therefore

(40:47):
it certainly has a certain therapeutic value. And crisis always forces people to re
examine their values and goals, themeaning of life, and what they're willing
to die for, if anything,or what they're willing to have other people
die for. Usually, Yeah,I remember one woman, you know,
I'm being interviewed on television, andshe comes out of some revolutionary cause.

(41:13):
You know, a lot of peoplewho died, and so the commentators said
to her, well, what aboutall the people that died? She said,
well, some people have you know, that's just the price of the
cause, because she meant her cause, because she was championing. Whether all

(41:34):
the people who died wanted to diefor her causes? Another question? You
know, so how do people takethis in? She like, what's the
first step for people listening as faras applying this application powers forced into their
lives to be aware that number one, the human mind is incapable of telling
truth from falsehood. That first ofall, is a confront to the ego,

(41:55):
because everybody's ego thinks they can telltruths in falsehood. However, when
you calibrate the people on this planet, you find that only twenty percent of
the people are above two hundred.Eighty percent of the people on the planet
calibrate below two hundred, which isbelow the level of integrity, meaning they
are run by desire, fear,loss, greed, get even this being

(42:21):
right winning. It's really the minorityof the people on the planet that hold
the humanity together. And of coursethe reason they do is because they're so
far more powerful. So when youcalibrate these energies, you're calibrating levels of
power. People at the bottom arevery destructive and more numerous than people at

(42:45):
the top. But the people atthe top have more power in that their
consciousness tends to dominate the field.So people who are dedicated to peace,
sincerity, and passion, love charity, they radiate into the world an energy

(43:06):
field which counterbalances thousands of people whoare thinking negative thoughts. The negative thoughts
are weak, they're weak by comparison, So all you need is one field
of gravity to hold the whole universetogether, so those elements of society which
have hold truth then tend to counterbalanceso that the world doesn't disappear into self

(43:32):
destruction. You know, we're closeto it, as the Russians had a
great superbomb design which if they lostthe war with the United States, would
destroy all life on Earth, andthey're actually into this super nuclear bomb.

(43:52):
Are when you look at the degreeto which the human mind is prone to
me madness, you know the wayyou know right now on the other side
of the world are people who believethat you know, the suicide bombers that
you know you go to heaven ifyou blow up a bustlo to thirty children

(44:15):
on the way to school. Imean, that's madness is such an extreme
degree, extreme degree, I meanreally extreme, and the thousands of people
can actually believe that. It isfrightening because of the truth. It's frightening
to think that. By the way, is we can't evolve to higher levels
just because we calibrate now today ata certain level. We can evolve to

(44:36):
a higher level, yes, butwe're extremely fortunate, we're extremely rare and
to be able to reason, tolook at logic and truth and examine what
is truth is really quite a raregift. And so people who are more
conscious and aware and dedicate the spiritualprinciples, you know, are really quite

(44:58):
rare numerically seeking in America. Buttheir power on the pilot is quite quite
enormous. So true power much strongerthan course from ground as our awareness goes
out with that, right, that'sthe evolution of consciousness, and the spiritually
urented person, their consciousness is movingfaster than the rest of the human race.

(45:22):
So they're often at some disparity withthe way the populace and they view
something because they're moving ahead, andtheir goal is not worldly gain but internal
realization of the truth, and sotheir goals are somewhat their disparity the world
is primarily in it and being rightand winning those the only two things I

(45:44):
really care about. Win and beright. Well, we have our work
cut out for us, but Ithink if for joining us today has been
a very enlightening hour, and Ihope we can do it again. I'd
love to talk to you when yournext book comes out. Okay, thank
you so much, Lurie. Thankyou doctor Hankins. Right, Okay,

(46:04):
Nie, Well, may I saythat I have heard this before, and
the chairwoman is reminding me of thisthat you're considered the opera of the Internet
airways. I would say, so, you're bringing so much information and your
own angel network. Like Obrah hasher angel like network, here's his spiritual
network and it's powerful. Hey,this is Dave Morehause and you're listening to

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I love your show. I justwanted to do this. You know that
you're great, and thank you foryour show, thank you for your love,
thank you for all the people thatyou have on bike. I've just
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and definitely want to be able tosupport you in your endeavors. Cole,
it's course Angel, Cole. Congratulationsyou're back on the air. I've just
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pleasure. Where do we begin.It's been very transformative for me, as
we talked about last time. We'rein this window. As you know,

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between now in twenty twelve, whichgives us just a little bit more than
six years, I go off onmy grand adventures to study with the ancients
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to continually decrease resistance in the zeropoint field so that I can continually become
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(53:07):
outside world. Now, all thisis getting complicated except for the fact that
a human is made in the imageof a cell. And why that is
interesting because then from that parallel story, I would have to say, well,
then the skin of the human isthe brain, and in fact it
is, and that's from an embryologypoint of view, that the human brain

(53:30):
is derived from the skin. SoI'm going through these thick woods and after
walking about one hundred yards or so, I saw it. I saw the
big blackbird justice in my dream.And you know I'm not exaggerating. This
bird is four feet tall. Well, I saw pictures of that at your
event, right, that's the birdyou're talking about. Yeah, have you

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(55:22):
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Experience Research Foundation that you can findonline at ender dot org nd r F
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covered and I think we've got doctorJeffer Long on the line. Now,
as we mentioned before going to break, we're talking about near death experiences on
News for the Soul. Now,doctor Long has done extensive research. You
can find him online at n DE r F dot org. And let's
welcome him on and start the adventure. Dr Long Welcome to news All.

(59:00):
What's my pleasure to be here.We've got a lot to talk about.
Believe me, we do well.This is one of our favorite topics here
because of course it's one of themost fear generating topic, you know,
for the mainstream kind of world.And you've done a lot of research as
far as what happens potentially after wedie. So I want to start kind

(59:22):
of how you got into this.You know, what drew you to doing
this work, this research? Oh? Absolutely, And that's a really good
question here. I am a physician, and you know from all of you
that have interacted with physicians, we'revery evidence based people. We tend not
to believe things that are outside ofreproducible every day you know, somewhat narrowed

(59:45):
reality type of thinking. And yethere I am as a physician that is
studying extensively near death experience. Well, the way I got started actually is
quite interesting. Many many years ago, I had an experience that literally rocked
my life. And we could getinto that if we have time. But
it led me to understand that there'sclearly something going on outside of everyday normal

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reality. And I understood that deepdown to the soul at that point in
time. And it was actually fouryears later that I understood that it was
a spiritual experience. And so thatgot me to thinking, what does that
mean? What I mean by aspiritual experience? What is that greater reality?
What can I really learn? Andso part of that journey, part

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of that search led me to developthe Near Death Experience Research Foundation, And
so I set up a website.It's INDERF dot org and the sole purpose
of that website was for people toshare experiences where they nearly died and had
an experience that was dramatic, wherethey were lucid, that occurred when they
were unconscious, what should be medicallyinexplicable and yet happened, And I wanted

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to learn from that. I wantedto I guess if you could say early
on, I was somewhat selfish.I want to people to share and basically
extend themselves so that I could learn. And that was over ten years ago.
At this point of time, canyou give us the nutshell version of
what happened to you before you moveforward so we we can kind of relate

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to your adventure there. Oh,absolutely, it was one of these dreams
that is absolutely not a dream.It was really more of a vision that
the technical term. As I've grownnow after having thousands of people share their
experiences with me, it was atrue vision. It was part of this
vision, I saw a very mysticallight that was unlike anything that could possibly
exist on earth. And then it'spart of that vision. I absolutely died.

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I don't think I died, maybedied possibly in this vision, I
understood that I died, And asI was coming back towards earthly reality,
he came to the point where basicallythe same sense that I'd had with prior
dreams that came true or that Iunderstood were real, happened, but ten

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hundred times more fold than I'd everexperience before. And so I really understood
that this was a real, realexperience. And there were some other things
that were highly collaborative to me atthe time. Understand, I'm a very
evidence based physician. I treat cancer. I can't afford to let false hope
or wishful thinking guide my evidence baseddecision where people's lives literally depend on it.

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And so it was the same soulsearch here. It had to be
that same type of reality, thatsame type of profound, deep understanding that
this was real before I would evenstart the search. And BOYD believe me,
after that experience, I was readyto start the search. So you
put the website together and started searchingjust over a decade ago. What kind

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of I mean, how did youstart collecting the story? Well, I
was curious that you know, aftera period of many, many years,
I came to understood that understand thatI had a spiritual experience and that there
was something more going on in theuniverse than you could necessarily measure or objectively
quantify by every scientific tool that Ihad been taught my entire life, that

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there was much much going going onin terms of us as beings than I
had ever been taught in medical school. And so as part of me learning
that, I turned to the greatestmentors that I possibly could, that being
people that have actually had near deathexperiences. So in August nineteen ninety eight,
I set up the Near Death ExperienceResearch Foundation on NDERF and that was

(01:03:27):
the beginning of the journey. Andwhy did you start finding out? Well,
I was open minded. I've always, thank goodness, tended to be
open minded and say be very evidencebased. So the evidence had to lead
me to my conclusions that I havetoday, and the evidence that I was
relying on were people sharing those mostexceptional experiences that they'd ever had in their

(01:03:52):
life near death experiences. I didn'tknow what I would find when I first
put up the website. In fact, it actually wasn't Although I started in
August nineteen ninety eight with a website, it wasn't until December nineteen ninety eight
that I could download our first batchof twenty two people that miraculously had found
my website even though it was nothighly ranked in the search engines at that

(01:04:13):
time, and downloaded it and said, well, teach me, show me
what you have seen, share whatyou have seen through your own eyes with
what you can share with me inwords, and I was blown away.
I was absolutely astounded. There wasno doubt immediately after reading even less than
the first two dozen people that evershared with me, that clearly something can
happen at the time of death.You can have even while unconscious, even

(01:04:36):
while clinically deaf, you can havethese types of highly lucid organized experiences.
And I was astounded, intrigued.Even back in nineteen ninety eight, there
seemed to be an amazing pattern tothese experiences. I was astonished and I
wanted to learn more, so Iencouraged people to continue sharing on the website.

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And now today one thousand six hpeople have shared near death experiences and
I've learned, shall we say,one heck of a lot more so.
I mean, I'm trying to kindof go back in time a little bit
as you're talking, because you know, these were Now it's sort of become
a stereotypical image of you know,leaving the body and going down the ton

(01:05:18):
of love light and the life reviewand all that stuff from the being of
light at the end of it.You know, is this sort of still
the typical vision that happens most times? Well, you know, I have
to admit something. Here's a trueconfession. I also had that stereotypical view
of near death experience when I startedresearching this. I'd read Raymond Moody and

(01:05:39):
some of the other very early worksabout near death experience, and there's sort
of a media model about near deathexperience that's really pretty much exactly as you
just described to the listeners. Youhave that out of body experience. You
see your body often not breathing.Now, often without a heartbeat. You
go through the tunnel. You mayhave intensely positive feelings or that mystical light

(01:06:00):
at the end of the tunnel.You may encounter deceased relatives, you may
have a life review. Very oftenthere's that border or seeming end of the
experience where a decision has to bemade about returning to Earth or not.
And interestingly, most people don't runa return at that point in time because
they really understand they're in a placefar better than Earth. And yet for
a variety of reasons, people doreturn to Earth, and then some of

(01:06:24):
them tell their tale with us.And so even though you say there's a
stereotypical or a preconceived model of thenear death experience, let me assure you
and your listeners that there are notwo near death experiences that have ever encountered
out of over a thousand that areabsolutely the same. Every two near death
experiences are absolutely different. And yetthroughout by the time you review that many

(01:06:48):
near death experiences, I have thattype of consistency, that type of pattern
is overwhelmingly clear. There's no doubtthat that's a part of the pattern.
Even if no two near death experiencesare the same. Interesting. I don't
know if you were aware of it. For the first two years of news
for the few radio my co hostwas Daniel Brinkley, so of course I

(01:07:09):
had picked his brain extensively on theissue whenever I could. Well, I've
met him personally, he's a he'sa heck of a great guy. I
used to call him famous dead guy, dead guy times two. He died
twice, as you know, andyeah, so, but he definitely had

(01:07:30):
that sort of you know, patternhappening in his So what editive things have
you found over the years then thatdon't fit that pattern? Well again,
you know, since no two neardeath experiences are the same, we've we
found a whole lot about this,you know. I guess what's more impressive
is to me is that there reallyis a pattern. I mean, when

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you when your heart stops beating whenyou clinically die. Of course, once
your heart stops beating, immediately bloodflows stops flowing to your brain. And
obviously, but a number of researchershave studied electro andcephalogram measurements of brain activity,
that's brain electrical activity, and veryclearly and consistently across multiple studies,

(01:08:14):
ten to fifteen seconds after your heartstops beating, you do not have any
brain electrical activity. So therefore,at that point in time, it is
absolutely impossible to have a conscious,lucid, organized experience. You cannot have
a memory at that point in time. It is the way we understand medicine,
the way I was taught medicine.It is medically inexplicable. And yet

(01:08:35):
that is the time that people havenear death experiences. That's the time they're
in that out of body phase,they see their resuscitation efforts. We've had
oh gosh, if I had anickel for every near death experience, or
that described a flat EKG measurement oftheir heart activity, over and over and
over. So there's no question thatthat's the time that it really happens.

(01:08:56):
This should be impossible, and yetthousands of thousands of people. In fact,
a Gallup poll published in nineteen eightytwo suggested that about five percent of
Americans have had a near death experience. So millions of people, and undoubtedly
many people listening to this show tonight have had a near death experience.
It should be absolutely medically inexplicable.There's no medical explanation at all, and

(01:09:18):
yet without any shadow of a doubt, it's really really happening here. As
a physician too, I mean,have you encountered this with patients? You
know what's really interesting is that asa physician, I am very aware.
And let me back up a littlebit. I'm physicians. All have medical
specialties. My medical specialty is radiationoncology. I use radiation to treat cancer.

(01:09:43):
I'm a specialist. Patients that havecancer have seen other doctors. Almost
always, by the time they seeme, they know they have cancer.
They know that radiation might have animportant role to help them potentially even cure
their life. So that's all beenthe conversation or understanding patients have when they
come and see They're really not thereto say, oh, doctor Long,
let me tell you about this neardeath experience I had. You really have

(01:10:05):
to draw that out from them.In fact, I've been doing this for
so many years and been on somany media events, including but not limited
to, ABC News with Peter Jennings, Fox News, The Learning Channel,
on and on and on, andinnumerable radio shows such as this one.
So probably more often than not,when people are aware that doctor Long has

(01:10:26):
studied near death experience, it's notbecause I tell them or because they ask,
or because they feel so moved atthe time of our consultation or physician
patient interactions to share it. It'sbecause they talk to other staff and they
say, hey, you know thatdoctor Long's you ought to talk to him
if you've had a near death experience. He's interested in that, or much
more commonly, they go to thewebsite and say, well, if I'm

(01:10:48):
going to trust my life to thisdoctor Jeffrey Long, who is he?
And then we learn something from himon the internet. And of course if
you go to the internet, myNear Death Experience website is so prominent le
there that is very very obvious,very quickly to anybody that looks up my
name that that's my interest. Andso that's been the great majority of patients

(01:11:09):
that share their near death experience kindof had that. I wist hate to
say permission because I share, youknow, I give permission to anybody to
share with me, but they reallyfeel that it's okay, based on awareness
of my openness and acceptance and researchand near death experience, to share with
me, And that's how it happens. So putting all this together over these

(01:11:31):
years of collecting the research and thestories. What is maybe give us a
couple examples of something that just reallymade you know that there was something huge
going on here, that this wasreal and absolute. Okay, that's a
great question, and I will tellyou my very first near death experience I

(01:11:53):
ever encountered as a position. Iwas back in Iowa City, Iowa,
where I did my residency training,and in the winter time in Iowa,
guess what, there's not a wholeheck of a lot you can do.
You go out and throw back somebruise like a lot of other people do
in Iowa City. But I hadsome friends visiting from Chicago and my friend
had a wife. I knew himfrom college. I was in my residency

(01:12:15):
training and my medical specialty of radiationoncology, and my friend's wife was there
and she was just flipped off thatshe had had an allergic reaction while she
was undergoing an operation and coded anddied on the operating table and that was
all she said. Well, Isaid, huh. She said that in
such an odd and mystical and almostquestioning manner, and I didn't get it.

(01:12:36):
So I paused for thirty seconds,and literally my entire future research potential
laid in limbo as I thought aboutwhether I would or would not ask that
one critical question. I finally didafter about a half a minute. I
said, and I knew I wouldpotentially feel stupid about asking this, But
I said, ah, you know, I'm a doctor. I could blame

(01:12:57):
it on a few bruis, Ithrew back. So I asked the question.
Okay, you died on the operatingroom table. They measure that with
heart beats. You know that you'remonitored very carefully. When they say you
die, they know they died.So you died on the operating room table.
Did anything happen after that? Anythingpossibly happen? And you know,

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I thought that was stupid. Imean, you can't. You're under general
anesthesias. You can have no memoryduring that time, right, and you
have a cardiac arrest. Remember Isaid, in ten to fifteen seconds you
electro and cephalogram goes flat and youcan't have a memory, right, So
you have two independently functioning reasons whyshe could not possibly have had an organized

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memory of what happened next. ButI asked, and that was the most
significant, profound and meaningful question potentiallyI've ever asked in my life, and
she said, immediately after asking it, why, yes, I do have
a memory. I do have arecollection. She had what very typical of
near death experiences, a very eventhough she had absolutely no possible reason medically

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for her to have an organized memoryat the time, she believed me she
did. She had an out ofclassic, out of body experience. She
saw the frantic resuscitation efforts going on. Now, her near death experience was
amazing in the fact that her consciousnessdrifted from that point out of body,
outside of the operating room into thenursing area where she had been an impatient

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at at the hospital, and fromthat vantage point she could see and hear
what the nurses were saying at thetime she was clinically dead under general anesthesia
and being resuscitated far away in anoperating room. And if that doesn't bother
your mind, it should. Andshe was right. I mean, she
later confirmed everything she saw. Andyou know, I've heard a lot of

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stories like that where people went intoother rooms or confirmed things that they couldn't
have known, you know, thatwere going on while they were out.
We've heard a lot of those stories. So that's certainly including from Danian.
Yeah, I mean, you know, everybody needs to take a step back
and say, even though you've heardthose stories, take a stat back and
understand that that is absolutely I mean, impossible is an overused word. But

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if you're under general anesthesia, ifyou have no blood flowing to your brain,
to have a highly organized conscious experience, whether your consciousness is outside and
far removed from that area, andfurthermore, if your observations are absolutely later
proven to be correct, that isimpossible. And that's exactly what I heard
on my first near death experience.That's what I heard related to me,

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And I said, you know,and then then she went through the tunnel
and had a life review, andyou know, met all sorts of deceased
relatives and very very intensely positive,pleasant emotions as typical as near death experiences.
And I said, this is incredible. I said, if that is
true, if upon hearing my firstnear death experience, hearing what undoubtedly your

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listeners have heard in the past onthis show, if that's really true,
then that really changes my view ofthe universe. And that's what led to
me developing my near death Experience websiteand learning more about it and basically trying
to nail down is this true oris this not? And it's been my
journey for the last ten years.Well that's the thing, and it has

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to change your view of the universeif you know, if that many people
are having come you know, thingsthat you can confirm and back up and
you know, compare with scientific data. I mean, what about all of
these theories that they throw at you, as far as what might be causing
these you know, so called neardeaf things. I mean they call them

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hallucinations or dream state things or youknow. Okay, well, but I
don't I hesitate to interrupt, butyou mentioned too word hallucinations and dreams,
and I want to review to theextent we have time, every possible alternative
explanation for near death experience that youcan possibly come up with. Let's start

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with those two hallucinations. Medically speaking, hallucination is an unreal perceptual experience,
which the bottom line is, hasno basis in reality. I've talked to
innumerable patients that have had hallucinations undera variety of circumstances, due to lack
of oxygen, due to drug experiences, due to psychotic separations. What is

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extremely clear to me and every otherresearcher, and there's been a whole bunch
that have looked at this. Isthat, And even at this point in
time, even the most stern andrigid skeptics of near death experiences, none
of them, including myself or anybodyelse, believes that near death experiences are
hallucinations. Clearly, clearly, there'ssomething going on that is absolutely apart from

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what we medically consider to be ahallucination. I could talk for literally an
hour on that. I won't topyour ears off. You want to keep
your ears on, so to yourlisteners. So let's trust me on this
that no skeptic that exists in theworld today thinks that near death experiences are
hallucinations. What about dreams? You'vehad dreams, I've had dreams. Every

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one of your listeners has probably hada dream where they had some type of
a remarkable, dramatic experience. Theymay have felt they were in a different
world, I mean, mammothly differentfrom everyday earthly reality. Why aren't your
death experiences dreams? How do Iknow? Well, let me tell you
the very first survey when I putit up on the website to study near

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death experiences. I asked the veryopen ended question, was your experience dream
like in any way? And Ideliberately worded it that way because I wanted
people to say, yes, itwas dream like, if it was dream
like in any way, and that'sactually biased the way I worded the question
for people to say, if itwas dreamlike in even a microcosm of fraction,

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a minute shift part of the experiencethat was dream like. I wanted
to hear about it, and doyou know why I'm no longer answering that
question, do you want to know? The feedback I got from that was
overwhelming. Virtually everybody that answered thatsaid not only no, but hell no.

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It's like, don't you understand,don't you get it? I mean,
this wasn't even close to being dreamlike. I mean virtually everybody's had dreams.
So people that have had near deathexperiences that shared on the website,
virtually all of them have had dreams, and they know the difference. They
can compare and contrast them. Ifthey were at all similar in any way,
I would expect to see some significantpercentage of positive answers affirmative answers.

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There were none, essentially none,virtually everybody said, no, no way,
there is no resemblance at all.And so the bottom line is our
work, consistent with the work ofmultiple other researchers, is absolutely clear.
And in fact, I might add, even the sternest, most unreasonable and
hardcore bizarre skeptics of near death experienceno longer think that near death experiences have

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anything to do with dreams. Theydon't. People that have had near death
experiences know that. They've told metimes hundreds. There is no resemblance between
a near death experience and a dream, none, absolutely none at all.
Well, also, you were saying, if there's no brain activity at the
point, you know what you're talkingabout, after that point, how could

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they be dreaming? Anyway? Youknow, you raise a really good point,
and I'm glad you brought that up. If you have a flat electro
encephalogram, which is a measure ofbrain electrical activity, you can't dream,
you can't think, you can't haveeven fragmented memories, you can't have frightening,
disorganized memories. You've got nothing flatis flat. I mean, you

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know we all watch the TV showsand the movies where electro encephalograms go flat.
Well, that tells you there's noheart activity. This is an order
of magnitude. Worse, this isno brain electrical activity. You've got nothing.
You have no potential to form eventhe most rudimentary, primitive, disorganized

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thought. There is no medical explanationfor any memory whatsoever at that point in
time. And yet, as Isaid, that's when people have these conscious
remembrances of near death experiences, thenear death experiences, that's when they remember
things. That's when they see themselvesbeing resuscitated. That's when they're having these
out of body experiences. And toreiterate my previous point, there is absolutely

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no medical explanation for a conscious memoryat that point in time. And they
come back different sometimes, Oh dothey. I'm writing a book chapter on
how they come back different. Doyou want to hear about it? I'll
bet you do. I'll bet yourlisteners do. Hold on to your seat.

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Because what happens when you nearly die, what happens when you visit those
heavenly realms? Why on earth youreturn? How does that change you?
How do you live life differently?If you know that life isn't the endpoint?
How do you know? How doyou live life? If you know
that you're not going to die,that death or isn't really the end,
if there's much much more more toour earthly existence than we ever possibly knew.

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Well, obviously, that's been atremendously significant topic to me and as
well as a number of near deathexperience researchers. Now, the interesting thing
is we've all come up with exactlythe same conclusions. I don't want to
boast about it will a little bit, and that is our one thousand,
six hundred near death experiences we've reviewednearly doubles or at least duplicates the entire

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prior published near death experience research knownin the history of the world. So
you know, I'm not saying thisjust based on a small number of near
death experiences. I'm saying this basedon the fact that I have personally reviewed,
studied, analyzed, and reached conclusionsfrom a mammoth number of experiences.
And moreover, I've read what basicallyanybody else has written about what we call

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near death experience after effects. Itis written, and here's really the bottom
line. It takes near death experiencesafter the experience a lot of time to
process and learn and grow from theexperience. I mean, take a step
back, put yourself in the inthe shoes somebody who's had a near death
experience, they nearly died, theycame very very close to death. I

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mean, they're they're physically recovering,their body is mending. They're trying to
deal with the fact and deal withtheir friends, family and loved ones from
nearly dying. And that's a process. It takes a while. It takes
a few months, usually to years. It actually takes on the average,
and this is a little bit ofa startling statistic for most people, but
it's been pretty well documented. Ittakes many years, perhaps as many as

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an average of seven years, forpeople to fully integrate their near death experience
into their life, to really learnto some substantial degree the lessons that that
experience has to teach them. Sowhat exactly are these lessons are? What
are we talking about? Well,first and foremost, almost all near death
experiences no longer fear death. Thatshould be obvious. They experienced death,

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they saw what happened after death.They're not afraid. In fact, they
realized that it was an enormously positive, pleasant experience. They realized that our
time on earth is you know,This isn't an endpoint. This is simply
a step on our spiritual journey.That there is an afterlife, and it's
wonderful, and in fact, it'svastly more, vastly more positive than their
experience on earth. And they understandthat not from faith or not from hope,

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but from personal experience, and soof course virtually none of them fear
death, but above and beyond that, they have a very much more positive
attitude toward life. They understand thattheir time on earth is meaningful and purposeful,
that we're here for a reason,that there's lessons to be learned.
They're much more positive, and they'reloving relationships. Oh goodness, can I
editorialize just a little bit when you'vegiven permission? Okay, if you can

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find a near death experience or seekthem out talk with them, and especially
if you can form a relationship witha near death experience or they tend to
be and this is sort of,you know, not widely known, but
they tend to be much more lovingindividuals. They've sort of seen that ultimate
love, that ultimate consciousness, thatultimate expression of what we're all here for.

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People that can really relate to neardeath experiencers at the level that they've
really learned is important. They they'remuch more positive in their relationships. They're
much more deep, much more profound, they value relationships much more. How
can I say this gently? They'rethey're great spouses, They're great soulmates,
They're great people that you want toknow in any aspect of your life.

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They have a lot to teach andlearn, and they have a lot to
share. But there's more to itthan that. I mean, above and
beyond that near death experiencers. Youknow, while it may be you know,
of course they've they've been through alot through their near death experience.
But yet above and beyond that,they tend to be much more positive.
They tend to be much more optimistic. They tend to value life more.

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They tend to reduce their desire toachieve monetary wealth. Believe it or not,
I mean, and that they slapin the face of all that we
ever learned as capitalists. But it'strue. I see that over and over
and over, and so do manyother near death experience researchers. Money isn't
the endpoint of why we are here. It's love, it's loving relationships,

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it's learning our lessons and that's muchmuch more important than the dollar you make
at the end of the day.That is a profound lesson. That substantial
majority of near death experiences, aftera while, grow to understand and it
really changes them. It changes theirvalues, their perceptions, and very often
near death experiences change the job theyhave so they can better reflect those values.

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A saying that all of the overone thousand reports that you've brought in
from near death experiences, they're allthey all had a positive near death experience.
Well, gosh, over a thousandnear death experiences absolutely not. The
first thing I learned as a neardeath experience researcher is that every time I

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say always or never, I'm wrongagain. There is no absolute about near
death experiences. The experiences people arehave are our legion. They're varied.
By the time you get to athousand near death experiencers, there's always that
one, two, three, orfour percent that have very different, very
unusual experiences. And well, you'vetalked to Daniel Brinkley, and I suspect

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you talk to other near death experiences, so I'll bet you know. What
I know is that a few percentof near death experiences can be frightening or
even hellish. Is that where we'reheaded? Yeah, well, I mean
I was at least having I understandthey'd have that different perspective, whether it
was a positive or negative experience,like they went somewhere or did something.
But gety' all not fear death ormaybe a ninety five ninety eight percent don't

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fear death. I mean, I'llnever say, you know, I don't
want to generalize about people because that'swrong, and that's not really true everybody.
There's so many individuals here, andthey have their own background. Even
people that have such a profound experienceas a near death experience, you know,
you cannot say one hundred percent ofthese people will go on to have
this belief that it just simply doesn'thappen that way. I can tell you

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that compared to the population that hasnot had a near death experience, it's
overwhelming how little the near death experiencersdo not fear death, how much they
value loving relationships, how relatively littlethey value materialism in this world we live
in, no question about that isbeing a unmistakable trend, not not seen

(01:28:41):
by just me, but actually bymany many researchers before me. But yeah,
there's and you know, we talkabout positive near death experiences, we
talked about overwhelmingly positive feelings. Infact, a lot of near death experiencers
I think Danian was one of themwho said during their experience, they realize
that Earth is not their home.I mean, are you all sitting down
and listening to this? That's startling, isn't it. I mean, a

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little bit, we live, wewere born here, we lived through.
This isn't Earth our home. Imean, what what? What? What
else could be home? With?Earth isn't our home? And yet that's
the startling realization, the startling wisdom, if you will, that near death
experiences are sharing with me and everybodyelse in the world that listens to them,

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and that is this isn't our realhome. Our real home is that
realm that they existed in, thatwhere they're living in, that very positive,
that overwhelmingly blissful area. I mean, the landscapes of beauty beyond anything
that exists on this earth, whereall the people that ever died before them
are with them and in full health. That's their home. And it's not

(01:29:45):
an illusionary home. It is areal home. It makes it tough on
near death experiences to realize that they'renot living in their home right here,
that their home lies beyond that,their lone home lies, if you will,
in heaven. What about I mean, how do you come from a
knowing on that? You know?Like I know, you've you've had a

(01:30:08):
lot of research done over many years, and there's a lot of common ground,
and none of them feel that itwas, you know, a dream
kind of saying or whatever, andit was very real for them. How
do you know? Boy, that'sthe million dollar question. Okay, are
you sitting down? I'm gonna that'sa very important question, and I always

(01:30:30):
wish more people would ask me thatyou and probably all of your listeners are
saying, Hey, this is reallyinteresting. Here's a position. Here's a
guy who's listened to over one thousandnear death experiences, and he's not talking
using words hypothesis or possible or probable. I seem to be using words that
express a knowing. And you're veryintuitive to pick up on that, and

(01:30:50):
very correct, I might add,I seem to be talking as if I
have a sense that this is deeperthan just simply wishful thinking or or possibilities.
And I'll be very glad to addressthat. I guess you have to
take a step back and know me. I mean, you hear me talk
like this, it would be hardfor you or others that are listening to
this program to understand that doctor Longis a very evidence based physician. I

(01:31:15):
make my decisions based solely on evidence. I want to say, I mean,
prove me is my mantra. Proveit to me, Prove prove to
me that that is the way thingsare, that that's the way things really
exist. And in the event thatyou can't or won't prove it to me,
I don't believe it. And sobased on that background, which I
have felt and continue to feel tothis day, I have looked at the

(01:31:35):
evidence of near death experience. Ihave looked critically at how much can I
believe these out of body experiences?How accurate were there observations in the out
of body state? Medically speaking frommy own medical background, how accurate were
their observations of their own resuscitation.I'll give you a hint. It's not
like what you see on TV.It's different. I've lived in the real

(01:31:57):
world. I know how it reallygoes, and that's what the near death
experiences describe. Well, what aboutwhen they like the first near death experience
I experienced. How accurate are theirobservations even away from their own physical body?
How do you know? How canyou verify that? I've gone through
this hundreds of times? I've madea formal study of this using the best
scientific methods that I possibly can,and a variety of other aspects of near

(01:32:21):
death experience. And so the shortversion of this, By the way,
I'm writing a book, and you'reone of the first people to hear about
this, or I'm going to gointo this in detail, and I wouldn't
believe just my comments without seeing itin detail myself either. But believe me
what I'm going to document in thisbook. We're using the best scientific methods
that I possibly can, scientific methodsaccepted by any serious, credible scientists anywhere

(01:32:45):
else in the world. I havedocumented, to my own satisfaction and the
satisfaction of I think vast numbers ofother people, the near death experience is
for real, that this stuff reallyhappens. Consciousness does apparently leave the body.
That what people see here and usebasically all their sensory organs and actually
a sixth organ that being intuition whenthey're in the out of body state is

(01:33:09):
for real. Their life reviews forreal, it's realistic. Occasionally they see
future visions of what we'll be expectedon earth in the future. Hey,
Danian did that too, by theway, and I'm sure you shared that
in years gone by. From thenear death experiences I've studied, disappears to
be startlingly for real. So thebottom line is near death experience is for

(01:33:30):
real. You don't have to takemy word, and you don't have to
take it on faith. When thebook comes out in the year year and
a half, read it, decidefor yourself. Okay, well, we'll
have to get back on the showwhen that comes out as well, and
talks more about that. Be believeme, who do you know been dead

(01:33:51):
the longest in all of these differentstudies. Okay, I'm gonna take a
step back because as a position,I've actually had direct communications with people that
have Oh boy, there are somewell popularized near death experiences where people purported

(01:34:13):
that they were dead for over aday. I'm not going to name names,
that I will say I am skepticalabout that. You first and foremost
reality, I have talked directly withphysicians who have done research articles about people
that have been dead, especially children, for thirty minutes or more. Predominantly

(01:34:33):
people that are dead thirty minutes ormore and are successfully resuscitated at least years
ago, where children and very oftenthey were drowning accidents in ice water.
They'd break through ice and their bodywas cooled almost immediately from being in ice
water, and they had the abilityto apparently not be able to breathe or

(01:34:54):
they have their heart stop for halfan hour more and were successfully resuscitated with
minimal or no neurologic damage. However, there's been some recent efforts at resuscitating
people and it was actually done atthe University of Pittsburgh interestingly and potentially some
other centers where more and more,just within the last several years, they
were re suscitating people that have apparentlybeen clinically dead for over thirty minutes,

(01:35:16):
even adults and not necessarily those thathad their life threatening event as associated with
ice water drowning. Now, what'sreally really interesting about this is that we're
going to have more and more ofthese people have near death experiences. In
fact, there was an interesting TVshow, and I won't mention the channel,
but they were talking with me aboutthis near death experiencer who you know

(01:35:39):
went through these really really truly cuttingedge resuscitation efforts where we're getting people turned
back and brought back to life,whereas even five years ago it would have
been considered impossible. And of course, more and more of these people are
going to have near death experiences.And so the best I can tell,
you're an adult, your chance ofbeing resuscitated to successfully after no heartbeat and

(01:36:01):
respiortation for thirty minutes very very small, but not zero, and a lot
better now than it was five yearsago. You get out beyond an hour
almost certainly zero. So, butthat's medical science advances on. If there's
one thing I respect as a physician, We're getting smarter and more knowledgeable and
more effective in how we administer ourmedical practice day after day, week after

(01:36:25):
week, year after year. We'vegot you've got a better chance of having
a cardiac arrest and being resuscitated todaythan you ever had before, and in
the future an even greater chance.Now a lot of these people will have
near death experiences. Has anyone tryedto this is kind of an obscure question,
but it's just coming to mind asyou're talking but has anyone tried to

(01:36:47):
kind of like in that you knowmovie Flatliners. I don't know if you
ever saw it, anyone tried toinduce the experiments? Gosh, if I
had a take hold for every timeI've had to talk abou them now,
yeah, sure, yeah, yeahyeah. Number one. Okay, you
got just a couple of minutes fromme to respond to that. That's an
important question. Gee, you goto a wondrous realm, you learn all

(01:37:11):
these great things, you have greatafter effects. Shouldn't we all be inducing
near death experiences? Number One?Suicides people that try to take their own
life, They try to die bytheir own hand. What do they learn?
What wisdom can we learn from theirexperiences? Well, gosh, I've
only studied a few hundred of thoseover the years gone by, you know,
coupled with the research of a vastnumber of suicide NDEs near death experiences

(01:37:35):
by my research colleagues. Let metell you and every listener, the first
piece of wisdom that comes from suicidesthat attempt suicide and have a near death
experience is they quickly learn is partof their experience that they made a huge
mistake. But suicide is wrong.In fact, the substantial, the overwhelming
majority of people that have a neardeath experience as a result of suicide do

(01:37:58):
not try suicide again because they understoodfrom their experience that's wrong. They're here
on earth for purpose, their lifehas meaning, and under no circumstances will
they try to kill themselves again.So that's really critical. But number two,
I've been approached by shall we say, too many media mobiles who say,
gosh, wouldn't this be great?We can induce a near death experience

(01:38:20):
or someone nearly to die and seewhat happens me And consistent with all other
ethical near death experience researchers, willhave nothing to do with anybody that tries
to induce a near death experience andthen tries to make a media topic of
it, And in fact, wewill see to it that they are prosecuted
legally and that they are prosecuted tothe fullest extent of the law through civil

(01:38:42):
action to make sure that that isdiscouraged. You do not try to take
your own life. Yes, neardeath experience is wonderful, it's glorious for
the great majority of people, butit is a gift. It is not
a gift that we can choose totry to achieve. It is something that
happens serendipitous, is a consequence ofan unexpected, unplanned event, and anybody

(01:39:03):
that crosses that line, me anda whole bunch of near death experiencers stand
ready to near death experiences, neardeath experience researchers. We stand to come
down on like a ton of bricksif anybody crosses that ethical line. I
hope up clear on that. Yeah, And it's always good to mention.
You know, years ago I wasinterviewing doctor Lee Phulos and we were talking

(01:39:23):
about how many people had been struckby lightning and come back with psychic abilities,
Danny included, and you know,we had to do the same kind
of disclosure, kind of you know, disclaimer on the air. Please do
not go and electrocute yourself after theshow, Thank you very much. But
you know, it comes to mindas you're talking, So I'm glad you
Whether they were quite as eloquent asI was, or as forceful any anybody

(01:39:45):
tries to induce this, there arelegal, civil and you know, and
variety of always say criminal and civilconsequences of that kind of behavior. And
believe me, me and a wholebunch of indie researchers stand ready, willing,
and I dare say able to comedown hard on anybody that crosses that
line. Thou shalt not try tokill yourself. And by the way,

(01:40:08):
that's that's what your death experiences understandtoo. I mean, that's that's coming
from on high as well. It'snot just indie researchers. More importantly,
you just don't want to do that. If you if you feel like killing
yourself or you feel like ending yourlife, talk to your primary care healthcare
team, call a suicide crisis line. That is the right thing to do.
And you're hearing that from someone whobelieve me and speaking from somewhat of

(01:40:30):
a position of knowledge or understanding.Okay, So that having been said,
that all of this together, you'vedone the research, you've you personally are
coming from you know, there's enoughevidence it's real. Period. So oh,
by the way, let me tellyou I'm not alone and coming to
that conclusion. Virtually every person whohas in your death experience has the same

(01:40:54):
conclusion I have. They just happento come to it a lot quicker.
Not kidding, your death experience isreal. Ask anybody who's had one,
well, you know, what doesthis mean in the big picture of the
meaning of life and all of that. Let's pull it together to that place.
What is your theory on that?Now? Oh, I don't have
a theory. Can I be lessthan humble? Please? Please? Okay?

(01:41:15):
Please do I would be anyway.I'm kidding. I've heard so many
people. We studied this, westudied near death experiencers come back and they
have some insights into what we're doinghere on earth. I'll answer that it
happens to do with lessons of love. It happens to do with relationships,
especially loving relationships, and very typicallyloving relationships with their family and especially children.

(01:41:39):
That seems to be one of thedominant reasons that people are aware that
they need to return from the heavenlyrealms back down to Earth to continue to
live their life. By the way, that's not hypothesis. I'm not guessing.
That's my conclusion for some vast numbersof near death experiencers, and totally
consistent with the finding some multiple othernear death experience researchers. This is actual.

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But above and beyond that, Imean, the overwhelming message is that
if you want to judge yourself insome way judge yourself as a beloved child
or childness of God, because,believe me, I hear that ad overwhelmingly
consistently. That is what we allare. We are beloved beyond what we
could possibly know, what we couldpossibly understand or even believe in our earthly

(01:42:21):
existence. But it's true that ourlife is meaningful, purposeful, and has
direction and lessons for us and valuefor us that is vastly beyond what we
could possibly know with our day today normal earthly existence. I mean,
this is this is the big amazingthing. Wow, I had no idea.
You know, as a doctor,you're born, live die. Oh

(01:42:43):
whoa boy? Did I learn whenI studied near death experiences. There's a
whole new universe to this. There'sa whole new reality and it's very very
positive and good. It's very verymuch a part of why we're here.
So, you know, we're acouple of minutes to the top of the
hour, and a lot of you'retalking too. You know, you're preaching
to the converted in some form alreadybecause at least in theory, you know,

(01:43:04):
and news for the soul listener wouldalready be aware of themselves being more
than the physical and thus lay onthe you know, seeking path in life,
in this life, in this place, you know, trying to kind
of bring that into a place whereyou know, I want to know.
I want to come from knowing,and they want to come from knowing,

(01:43:26):
you know, so do I Yeah, now you're being me, but go
ahead, yeah, you know becausebecause when like this for the soul is
all about empowerment and coming from directexperience. And you know we've covered that
we aren't going from direct experience inthat way. So how can we assimilate
this information and really know? Right? Oh, that's a really good question.

(01:43:50):
How can you really know? Howcan you go beyond faith and say
I get it, I understand this. Number one talked with as many nerve
death experiences as you can. Listento this show every single time it's on.
I'm sure there's going to be neardeath experiencers in the future. Are
you hearing me? Listeners? Thisshow will will bring you the original source

(01:44:10):
of data that you can decide.I INS the International Association for Near Death
Experiences has near death experience groups allaround the world. Look them up i
A n DS dot org. Golisten to these people, talk to them
ask questions, be as critical asyou want. Go to the website that
I have developed and that you know, my soulmate Jody has developed in d

(01:44:32):
ers dot org. Read any oneof the thousand over one thousand experiences posted
on the website, and join thebulletin boards, and be as critical as
you want to be. Ask questions, be skeptical in your own way and
in your own time. But believethe evidence. That's all I ask.
There we go. Well, weare at the top of the hour,

(01:44:55):
Doctor Jeffrey Long. Thank you somuch for taking time out to talk to
us today. It has been sincerepleasure. All right, Well, I
hope we'll do it again soon andkeep us in the loop with your upcoming
book and such wonderful stuff. AndI want to know I'm going to be
looking more and you know, whoknows. Maybe we can do near death
Story of the Week segment on Newsfor the Soul. That would be lovely,

(01:45:17):
the stories they have to tell.Well, there we go. Thanks
everybody for tuning in. This hasbeen News for the Soul with Nicole Whitney.
Visit us anytime online at www dotnewsforthsoul dot com, where you can
listen to all our previously aired showsat any time, and so much more.

(01:45:39):
Have a great week and remember whatyou focus on. Expands here Oliver

(01:46:12):
previously aired broadcast of News for theSoul online at newspdissol dot com. Now
let's get back to the show,and we are not happy running. I'm
Nicolmriy Whitney, founder of News forthe Soul, like changing talk radio from
the uplifting to the unexplained. Nowand it's twenty third year, and boy

(01:46:35):
are we busy this year right now? Very excited to introduce you. Well,
I don't need to introduce but youwill remember him best known for his
Golden Globe nominated role in that seriesHappy Days Aunts, and Williams is also
an award winning television director, writer, producer, and entrepreneur. We're going
to talk to him about how he'scontributing to the front lines during this coronavirus

(01:47:00):
episode on the planet Less. Welcome. You know him as Poppy. I'm
happiness. Can you believe that wasforty five years ago? My god,
Anthon Williams, Welcome to News forthe Soul. Well, thank you thanks
for having me on. Yeah,I think I think it was like four
or five years ago, right righttimes ten? Yeah, quiet please,

(01:47:24):
So where where about you? You'rein California. How's how are you faring
there with all that's going on?Well, you know, pretty much like
everyone else, it's a hotspot anduh, you know, we're following the
protocols, you know, social distancingand and the mask and you know,
and wash your hands and sanitize allthat. Yeah, so it's been,

(01:47:46):
it's been. Uh, it's youknow, like everyone, you get a
little bit, get a bit ofcabin fever. But it's also yeah,
it's also interesting how much you beginto restructure too, and priorities change quite
a bit. It is indeed,Yes, it's a transformative time. Very
interesting things out of this very interesting. So I was pleased to see how

(01:48:09):
busy you've been since the happy days, all the writing and directing you've been
doing. But also I want totalk to you about the product you've created
and how that came about. What'sinto I've always been veneurial, uh,
you know, finding finding voids andfilling them. And and my uncle he

(01:48:30):
actually was my second cousin, butI called him uncle ever since I was
born. With doctor Henry Heimlicher createdthe Heimlich maneuver and uh. He had
a great, great influence on therethrough the years. Uh, a selfless
giving man. And uh and justto show you, I mean like today,
I'm would you rather be your wouldyour leg Would you rather have a

(01:48:53):
legacy as a movie star or alegacy as some cousin lives lives a being
sated every day and that doctor Heimlichevery day do saving lives. They had
a great, quite an influence onme and I and twenty some years ago
I got into creating manufacturing problem solvingproducts in quite a different areas of life.

(01:49:14):
And then but what I'm working onnow is so important for society,
I means so important. And it'sthe last project Daheimler worked on until he
passed, which was a few yearsago. And he promised me that I
would get this out there because heknew how beneficial it would be to so
many. For what influenced it wasyears before I got into the product business.

(01:49:38):
I almost killed myself by falling asleepat the wheel and doctor Heimlich I
informed me to keep cut up lemonswith me because if you're exhausted, if
you buy it into a cut uplemon, the citric acid and the sour
lemon hits the lingual nerve right ontop of your tongue, and the reflex

(01:50:00):
reaction of the body is adrenalinist.You're up, you're alert, nothing in
your system, nothing to hurt you, nothing to screw up your sleep pattern.
A natural way of body waking thebody and verial science, serial science.
And I did that. I didthat for years and never had the
problem again. And then a fewyears ago when we started reading up on
a catastrophic draws and driving business country, I mean, it's right under guns.

(01:50:26):
There are more deaths, more tragediesthan drunk and medicated combined. So
I had an idea, and Italked to doctor Heimlot, and I said,
what if we had a spray dropcitric acid, sour lemon water,
a bit of preservers, the shelflife, and just spray top at the
top of the tongue. He gotvery excited. He said, let's do
this. He said, this willstay more lies than the Highland maneuver.

(01:50:47):
Many more people are drowsy driving orexhausted in their life, and tragedies are
happening much more than choking. Sowe did so. We created literally a
spray called alert drops which is basicallyhigh powered lemits and UH and and we've
had huge results with drowsy driving,to the point that US Congress has honored

(01:51:11):
us UH as as as as animportant help to society the State of California,
Stity of LA. But as wewere going going forward with this,
we found out it helped much morethan drowsy driving anybody that needed to be
alert, which are millions of peopleentertained. It's all huge in the entertainment
business because these long hours in themedical communities, huge students studying all night

(01:51:35):
during during during exams, they're they'regoing to the hospital because they're overdosing on
caffeine and energy, damage of audienceand not screw upper sleep patterns. And
and now we've just and we've alsofound out in terms of exhaustion, it's
been tremendous. Now with the coronavirussituation, we we've donated thousands to the

(01:51:57):
frontline workers who are exhausted, absolutelyexhausted in saving lives and the alert drops
is hugely helpful there. And alsothe coronavirus is causing a lot of problems
in homes where it's such a changeof lifestyle for people they're they're losing the
fire, losing the adrenaline. There'sno contact with other people that really can

(01:52:21):
people are drinking too much coffee andthey're they're they're just doing bad things to
try to get energized, and they'rehurting themselves. And we're finding alert drops.
I say, either alert drops orbite into lemons. One or the
other really really has been effective inhelping them out of that adul drum.

(01:52:42):
And so I'm very so but I'mi was very, very excited to be
able to contribute to the front linesand continue to contribute to the front lines
to help them stay safe, tostay alert during the surrender situation. Very
cool. So it's primarily so there'sno chemical then, no d no,

(01:53:02):
it's it's literally literally I'll hit acitric acid, natural citric acid, sour
leven water and a bit of preservativefor shelf if that's it, that's all
that's in it, and find anaverage of thirty minutes to an hour of
like boo, you're up, you'realert. Nothing in your system. Just
just like going to the doctor andthey check your reflexes. They have that

(01:53:24):
little rubber hammer and they'll they'll checkyour knees and your arms. It's the
same thing when when when the citugacid and the sour lemon hits the lingual
nerve on top of your tongue,the reflex reaction of the tongue the sensory
connection Italian brain, and the effectis adrenaline. Boom. You get an
immediate, immediate guilt of adrenaline.You're up, your alert, your body,

(01:53:44):
waking the body. Nothing to hurtsyou, nothing in your system.
And we're stopping a lot of nenecessary tragedies. And we're stopping people from
putting bad things in the body.Yeah, very true. You know it's
funny too. It's such an understatedthing. The driving tired. I didn't
realize the stats were that high,but you know, I caught myself years
ago once I was so tired,I thought this should be illegal. Like

(01:54:09):
it's worse than driving drunk almost,you know, and nothing's done about it,
not even really trusted us. No, And that's what gets me.
They talk about drunk driving, medicatedto drive, but jobs driving is worse
than all of them, all ofit. In twenty twelve, they did
a very detailed study and it's morenow, by the way, But back

(01:54:30):
then there were one hundred and sixtyeight million drowsy drivers a year, half
the population. Minute of falling asleepat the wheel, you can imagine the
tragicies. Well today there's almost twohundred million, which is over half the
population. It's a big problem isyou're driving a firearm and you know,
and the majority of the people killedare not the drivers. The families are

(01:54:53):
destroyed, kids are destroyed. Crazyand doctor Heimlez you know, I mean
that's why he was so passion gettingthis out because two weeks before he passed
and maybe promise to get this productout because he knew the health of he
knew how it was and so simple, like you know, doctor iimak is
brilliance, very simple, a naturalway to help yourself, natural to alert

(01:55:17):
drops dot com not they can readall about it. They can it's very
very old science. We all wedid was make a better scooter. We
didn't invent it. It's a it'sa science. It's been proven for years.
N I T did to study fiftyyears ago. They can read all
about that. They can read allabout why it works, how it works,
how safe it is, exactly whatit is, testimonials. They can

(01:55:40):
buy it there, they can buyit at Amazon, and I tell people,
if you don't want to buy it, that's fine. Just makes a
little more convenient have cut off lemons. That works. So so basically,
it's a very very very simple,reasonable way for your family, your friends,
your loved ones to be safe,absolutely safe. And the people in
the workplace, machine operators, youknow, people in the medical profession,

(01:56:03):
tired moms, anyone who needs tobe alert. An amazing product that will
solve that problem. I love it. Well, we've got this all linked
up on our website, Needs forthesoul dot com. Before you go,
I just want to ask you know, here we are our little lockdown cabin
and time. Are you doing anynew creative ventures while you're on house directs

(01:56:27):
over there? Well, you knowwriting, you know, a bit of
writing that a commuter to do isI'm doing that? Uh? And then
you know, and then you know, always creating these shows to get in
development. Let's I'll tell you it'shard though. It's hard when you're even
if you're talking with people to peopleon the phone. There's something I miss
being in a room. You know, it's spinning out ideas magic happens with

(01:56:48):
people are together. Magic happens andI miss that. You know, it's
the energy that there's an energy factorythat I'm right with this. It's very
critical. You havent critical and themagic happens that it's factor many times.
How did you how did you guyscome up with this? You know,
you don't really know. It kindof just came up and everyone goes,

(01:57:11):
ooh, that's it, that's perfect. You know so so and like they
say, too, don't try tobe overproductive during these times. You know
you kind of just just just justcalm into it, let it come naturally,
Calm into it, don't don't don'tbeat yourself up to be overly productive,
because you know that might not bethat that's not the whole purpose going

(01:57:32):
to this mm hmm. Very true. Kind of like a forced retreat.
Yeah, and reprioritize to it.It's very interesting, boy, Mother nature
really to kind of take you toyour knees. When we can get rovers
to Mars and get detailed pictures ofother planets, you know, millions of

(01:57:55):
miles away, we can go tothe moon, but yet one a little
virus of mother nature business to ourknees. Right. Absolutely, I think
it's not only is it a stockmarket correction and all that people are talking
about. I think it's I thinkit's humanitarian connect I think it's reprioritizing our
goals, our needs, and ourpriorities. And I think you're right,

(01:58:17):
and I think you're right. It'sgoing to be interesting to see what the
world looks like when the dust hassettled after all this. Yeah, I
hope, so, I hope,so, I hope it's not. You
know, too many times people youover drink and you get a hangover,
and people say, I'm never goingto drink it down. Oh my god,
there three weeks lated they forget aboutit. So I'm hoping, I'm

(01:58:39):
hoping this isn't the same. I'mhoping the sticks the sticks, and really
it sticks, it sticks hard,and we've become a kinder world and a
less self centered world, less selfevolved the world, and really look out
for each other, and big businessand everybody else start doing the right thing.
Give back happy days. I justI love the irony of speaking with

(01:59:02):
you now in more uncertain days,but let's hope for happy days again.
It's been a pleasure talking to you. Insen. Well, it's such a
pleasure talking to you too, andwe'll show you do so many great things
for so many It's wonderful you'd bewell and keep in touch and we will
let everyone know far and wide aboutalert drops. And thank you for being

(01:59:25):
here today. Thank you so much, God blessed. Stay safe. We're
going to get through this. Yes, take care, Anson William happy from
Happy Days. Wow. We're goingto be back with more right after this.

(01:59:46):
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