June 7, 2025 • 29 mins
Erik Nanstiel is a designer, writer, nonprofit founder and lifelong experiencer. His abduction case has been investigated by
MUFON (the Mutual UFO Network) and will be presented at their July, 2025 Symposium as their "Best of the ERT," eclipsing 8,000 other reported cases that year. Prior to authoring his memoir, Erik has written for The Autism File magazine, where he shared personal insights on single parenting and communication tools for nonverbal children.
His story will also be featured in a June, 2025 episode of Ancient Aliens and on Whitley Strieber’s Dreamland podcast. He lives in Illinois and continues to explore the deeper meaning behind his encounters.
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MUFON (the Mutual UFO Network) and will be presented at their July, 2025 Symposium as their "Best of the ERT," eclipsing 8,000 other reported cases that year. Prior to authoring his memoir, Erik has written for The Autism File magazine, where he shared personal insights on single parenting and communication tools for nonverbal children.
His story will also be featured in a June, 2025 episode of Ancient Aliens and on Whitley Strieber’s Dreamland podcast. He lives in Illinois and continues to explore the deeper meaning behind his encounters.
Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/night-dreams-talk-radio-with-gary-anderson--2788432/support.
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Speaker 1 (00:17):
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Seas, the.
Speaker 3 (01:59):
Instrent all the night Dreamers stuck an n nin Gary
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(02:19):
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In you and.
Speaker 5 (02:28):
The views and opinions expressed by guests on Night Dreams
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Night Dreams Talk Radio Network, It's hosts, staff, or sponsors.
This show is for entertainment purposes only. Listener. This question
is advised from deep the broadcast bunker. A voice cuts
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through the static and smashes the silence. This is the
show that rips the lid off reality, exposes the shadows,
and dares to ask the questions no one else will
get ready for truth at full throttle with the man himself,
(03:30):
Gary Anderson, diving into the headlines of the mysterious and unexplained.
This is the unseen news with guide ticker, where the
(03:55):
extraordinary is just the beginning. Sacred US spy plane is
tracked making mysterious lap around UFO Hotspot. A US military
aircraft fitted with sophisticated radar technologies was caught traveling thirteen
hundred miles across the country to the aforementioned hotspot, Pimlico Sound.
(04:19):
The Bowing E three B Century, dubbed America's Ultimate Spy Plane,
left Tinker Air Force Base in Oklahoma Thursday around seven
am Eastern time. The plane flew off the coast of
North Carolina, where it made two circles around Pimlico Sound
and returned to base at two pm Eastern. The bay
(04:41):
has been a place for bizarre sightings, such as glowing orbs,
pulsating white lights, and encutters with grays. In twenty nineteen,
a man captured a video showing fourteen glowing orbs hovering
above the water while aboard a ferry in pimlic Go Sound. However,
(05:02):
there are also military installations in the area. The Century
primarily takes flight for airborne surveillance, command on control of
air operations and to detect, identify, and track targets in
the skies. The aircraft features a thirty foot wide rotating
radar dome that scans a wide area for threats. The
(05:24):
air Force has thirty sentry planes in active service, twenty
six of which are stationed at Tinker. And that wraps
up tonight's top news story. I'm Guy Ticker on the
Night Dream Stalk already on Network.
Speaker 6 (05:41):
Well, JC, how are you doing this evening?
Speaker 7 (05:45):
I'm doing very good. How about you there, mister Gary,
how are you doing well?
Speaker 6 (05:50):
I want to take a minute before we bring our
guests on and talk about AI. You know, a lot
of people don't realize AI actually started back in the
mid eighties. At that time, Like I was telling you earlier, today,
they had well you had your old ibmxds and you know,
in three eighty six machines, and they was very expensive.
(06:12):
You could actually talk into the microphone and it would
catch about ninety percent what you're saying, so it would
take dictation, it would do you know, a little bit
of research, but not much. But now look at this
and you're twenty twenty five. How technology has advanced. And
you know, back in nineteen eighty three, you know they
(06:32):
had that movie Wargames. You remember that one.
Speaker 7 (06:36):
Oh yeah, that yeah, that gave a lot of people nightmares,
I believe, but yeah, I definitely remember that that show.
Speaker 6 (06:43):
Yes, well, do you just think about technology far more
advanced even than war games that you know that movie
where the computer took over and basically was going to
go from a game to actually causing a nuclear holocaust.
But you knowdys with AI, you can't trust anything anymore.
And what I have been doing research on how do
(07:06):
we know some of the these decisions coming from our
government is not coming from AI.
Speaker 7 (07:13):
Exactly? And the scary part was that was forty two
years ago or something, so look how much advanced it
could have come since then. But yeah, you bring a
good point because I've read a lot of articles recently.
Some of the theories are that, yeah, AI may be
running the government. AI maybe even putting out some of
the UFO stuff out there.
Speaker 6 (07:31):
It could be And that's scary because when I talked
to that retired T star general who retired from the
Pentagon about two years ago, he was telling me that
AI is so far advanced that they use it at
the Pentagon for a lot of different things. But you know,
he was talking about how advanced our crafts are off
world craft. He even was talking about that, So if
(07:53):
we do have off world craft that they're not telling
the you know, the population. Think how far AI could
be advanced.
Speaker 7 (08:02):
Oh yeah, it can really go down the rabbit hole.
Just like I was telling you earlier, I was watching
an episode of of Rogan. There was a guy owner
I think the guy from Wi File's maybe, but they
were talking about how AI sent itself a message in
the future to remind it something new to so it
didn't forget something. It was very listen. It's definitely thinking
(08:23):
on its own. So it's just a matter of time Gary,
as they all say, when it realizes what e x
human is doing.
Speaker 6 (08:32):
Well, yeah, but again, you know a lot of the
it's funny, how do we know that a lot of
these reports of UAP's UFOs whatever they're called tonight is
not generated by AI.
Speaker 7 (08:45):
Yeah, and that's a that is a big thing too.
I've seen several researchers and scientists recently, just in the
last few days talking about that. Matter of fact, they
even think they can be the AI is well going
beyond that, putting a lot of stuff out there, and
and they're kind of like, what do you call manipulating
what we see and perceive and they're directing it so
(09:05):
to speak.
Speaker 6 (09:06):
Very very interesting. Well, tonight, we have a great guess
again a person who's been abducted and had in their
family abductions that we're going to talk about it here
tonight and we're going to dive deep into what is
going on. Let's mind out a little bit about our
guests here tonight.
Speaker 5 (09:29):
Eric Nanstell is a designer, writer, nonprofit founder, and lifelong experiencer.
His abduction case has been investigated by MUFAN, the Mutual
ufone Network, and will be presented at their July twenty
twenty five symposium as their Best of the Ert Experience,
a research team eclipsing eight thousand other reported cases that year.
(09:54):
Prior to authoring his memoir, Eric Nanstell wrote for The
Autism File magazine, where he shared personal insights on single
parenting and communication tools for nonverbal children.
Speaker 6 (10:08):
Well, Eric, welcome to this show. Are you staying out
of trouble? It is Friday night.
Speaker 4 (10:14):
I'm pretty boring.
Speaker 8 (10:16):
I'm here in my home studio and just looking forward
to speaking with you.
Speaker 6 (10:22):
Well, you know you had encounters at a young age.
Can you kind of clarify how old you were and
what did you think about your encounter? I mean, how
did it affect you?
Speaker 8 (10:35):
My first experience that I recall happened in nineteen seventy,
maybe in the spring, I'm not sure. I was only
fifteen months old. I was visited by a white orb
of plasma about I don't know, about the size of
a softball, and it would come through my closet door
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to my crib. And and it's only because of that
this happened that I have vivid memories of the layout
of my bedroom as I when I was a baby.
But it would it would cross the room about the
speed of an adult walking, and it would reach my
forehead and I would black out unconscious. And and if
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that's all that ever happened in my lifetime, you know,
that could be chalked up to a seizure or something
like that.
Speaker 4 (11:28):
That's what a doctor might call it.
Speaker 8 (11:30):
But it happened many times, and it would come from
different specific locations from a room and it you know,
so it's not like a bright light appeared in front
of me and came at me. No, it would actually
zip through the door, zip through the wall, zip through the.
Speaker 4 (11:51):
Ceiling, and cross the room.
Speaker 8 (11:54):
Uh, not too fast, but about this, like I said,
a speed of an adult walking, and it would touch
my forehead and I would black out, and so those
were my first for the first between the ages of
one and five years old, it was happening fairly regularly,
probably monthly.
Speaker 6 (12:15):
Now, when you were five years old, did you hold
that in or did you go up to your you know,
your parents and tell them, hey, something that is going on.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
Uh.
Speaker 8 (12:27):
I don't remember when I told my mother about the orbs,
but I did tell her, and she assumed they were
angels or something like that.
Speaker 4 (12:36):
She's like, oh, you're special. The angels are visiting you.
Speaker 8 (12:39):
And you know, as a as a kid who doesn't
want to be told that they're special, right, So I'm like, oh,
I'm special, angels visit me whatever. You know, We we
didn't chalk it up to anything more than that, just
like we thought some spiritual experience that sometimes people have,
(12:59):
and and kind of forgot about it, except in late
sometime in nineteen seventy four, my mother started to have
recurring dreams where she, my father, and myself were being
chased through the neighborhood by white orbs that would descend
out of the sky. Hundreds of them descend out of
(13:20):
the sky and chase us through the neighborhood as we're
trying to run back home, and the orb would eventually
catch up to us and shine like a bright light
down on us. And then my mother said that when
the bright light went away, I was missing, I was gone,
And she had this dream many times during nineteen seventy four,
(13:44):
and I just thought that was interesting because I was
having actual I was seeing these things.
Speaker 4 (13:50):
While I was awake as a child, enter the.
Speaker 8 (13:53):
Rooms I would be in, whether it's my bedroom or
one time I was in the hospital and visited me
in the hospital.
Speaker 6 (14:00):
I was, yeah, Eric, did that scare you at that age?
Speaker 4 (14:04):
I mean no, I was just fascinated.
Speaker 8 (14:08):
I just kind of like had a wide eyed acceptance
of it in the moment, and I didn't understand if
there was something to fear about it. It was peaceful
because I don't associate trauma with it.
Speaker 6 (14:27):
Now. When they came into your room, the orbs, did
they did you feel like they were communicating with you
in any form?
Speaker 8 (14:37):
No, they just come up touch my forehead and knocked
me out. And if they took me, I don't know.
I don't remember. But then when my mother started having
these dreams about me being abducted by white orbs.
Speaker 4 (14:53):
You know, he put two and two together.
Speaker 8 (14:55):
And now I'm thinking maybe I was being actually abducted
at that age, but but I didn't know it, not
at that time.
Speaker 6 (15:06):
How about when you got into grade school and stuff
like that, how were your grades? Were you advancing faster
than normal kids in your class?
Speaker 4 (15:15):
I did well in science, not so much math.
Speaker 8 (15:18):
Science and reading I excelled in and I was an
accelerated class in the fifth grade.
Speaker 4 (15:24):
They put me in with sixth graders, but I wasn't.
Speaker 8 (15:28):
I was never a serious student, but I would voraciously,
you know, dig into subjects that interested me, and usually
anything to do with space or physics or you know,
stellar phenomenon, galaxies, black holes, things like that.
Speaker 4 (15:47):
I love that stuff still do.
Speaker 6 (15:50):
Now besides orbs, did you actually see any grades come
into your room at all?
Speaker 8 (15:57):
Well, not until nineteen ninety, so it was a twenty
year gap between experiences. From nineteen seventy four to ninety four.
I was twenty five years old and I was living
with my best friend, he was my roommate in Wheeling, Illinois.
And it was the third Saturday of August nineteen ninety four,
(16:21):
which would I think that would be.
Speaker 4 (16:23):
August twentieth, and I was.
Speaker 8 (16:29):
Laying in bed, and I was just about to wake up,
and then I entered a lucid dream state where I
knew I was sleeping. Do you ever have a lucid
dream like that before, where you knew you were sleeping?
Speaker 4 (16:40):
Oh?
Speaker 6 (16:40):
Yeah, yeah, And I think we all do.
Speaker 4 (16:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (16:45):
Well sure, And so I decided, like, well, all right,
do I want to have a fun dream or do
I want to get up and start my day? And
that's what I chose to do, get up and start
my day, because I had plans that day and I
was excited to get started. Well, I tried to open
my eyes and I couldn't. I tried to move my
(17:05):
body and I couldn't, and and I thought, this is weird.
And then suddenly a dream came into my vision that
did not come from my own mind. It felt like
it was like implanted, like forced into my head. And
it was a green maple leaf, you know, and it
(17:27):
was the sun was behind it, shining directly down through it,
and I could see the veins and the cells, and
you know, it was like gossamer, you know, translucent structure
of it. And I was spinning beneath this leaf and
there was like music box music playing, and it felt
very surreal. I think it was meant to dazzle me
(17:48):
or distract me, but it freaked me out. I'm like,
this isn't my dream, like this is this is not me,
this is not my mind producing this image. And I
felt very vulnerable at that moment. And then I started
to wake up more to where I could hear my
floor fan running, and then I could I was aware
(18:09):
of like something brushing against the side of my bed
on one side and maybe possibly on the other side.
Speaker 4 (18:18):
So I started a panic.
Speaker 8 (18:19):
I started to undulate, like wake up, wake up, wake up,
And as soon as I managed to break free of it,
I opened my eyes, shot straight up into a sitting position,
and I turned my head to the left, and as
fast as I could turn my head, these things were
moving that fast. Like there was four small grays about
(18:40):
three and a half feet tall, large cranium heads, you
know ashen gray white, i'd say more white than gray,
big black eyes, and they were wearing dark coveralls, like
from their neck all the way down to their feet,
and you know, like a one one piece coverall, like
(19:02):
you know, sleeves, pants, the whole thing, just all one
in one garment.
Speaker 4 (19:06):
And there was four of them. Wash whish, whish whish.
Speaker 8 (19:09):
It's like they were propelled right out of the room
and they went right through my bedroom door like it
wasn't even material, Like it wasn't you know, like you know,
they could just go right through it.
Speaker 4 (19:21):
And and I was just stunned.
Speaker 8 (19:24):
I was just looking, you know, what, what the heck
did I just see?
Speaker 4 (19:29):
And I didn't know what to do it.
Speaker 8 (19:32):
So I I wanted to tell my roommate about it,
but he wasn't home that weekend. He was a traveling
forklift repair technician and he'd go to different cities with
his tool bags, and so he wasn't around, so I
couldn't like go to him and say, hey, did you
see something? And and I was a little too afraid
to pursue because what if they were still in the apartment.
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But about five minutes later, I went out into the
into the living room, and you know, there was nothing there.
But I did not at that time consider myself an abductee.
I thought it was just a bizarre thing that happened,
you know. I didn't chalk that up to anything. And
(20:13):
so that was that. But I got a good look
at them, I mean they were moving very fast. It
was a bit of a blur, but enough for you know,
I could register details about their physique, their form, you know,
what they looked like.
Speaker 6 (20:29):
Now I've got to go back. Your mom had something
going on with her. Have you ever sat down? Did
you ever sit down and talk to your parents, both
of them, and ask them have they seen craft? Have
they seen Grays? Have they seen orbs? And also did
(20:49):
their parents see it?
Speaker 8 (20:51):
Well, I didn't have a conversation like that with them
until after things started happening in the year twenty twelve.
Speaker 4 (21:00):
Me.
Speaker 8 (21:00):
That's when my own experience has really opened up and
started happening on a regular basis for a four year period.
But yeah, I did sit down with them and I
told them about my experiences, and as new ones happened,
I would tell them about those two.
Speaker 4 (21:16):
And my mother was listening to me one time. Talk
to her about how the Grays use.
Speaker 8 (21:26):
Some kind of a masking technique for your memories, so
you'll misremember whatever happened, whatever they did with you, you'll
misremember it and maybe chalk it up to a dream.
They'll impose upon me these screen memories where through some
kind of a post hypnotic suggestion. They'll make you believe
you're talking to familiar types of people in familiar types
(21:50):
of situations, Like if you wake up in a strange room,
you'll think you're in a hospital, or one time I
thought I was in an air traffic control room, you know.
And those are the kinds of experiences. If they're one
off experiences and you didn't have this collective context of
everything that was happening, you might just chalk it up
(22:12):
to like a weird dream. Except these were very physical,
visceral experiences that go beyond what a dream could produce,
you know, in your memory.
Speaker 6 (22:25):
Yeah, when this was going on, did they ever mimic
any friends or loved ones or anything like that?
Speaker 4 (22:31):
So that either yeah, yeah, they did well.
Speaker 8 (22:36):
In nineteen ninety four, after the experience where I saw
the Grays, I did have one experience where a deceased
former neighbor of mine that there was friends with my
parents came to me in a lucid dream, and it
(22:57):
was as though she was in my field of view
upside down, as though she were like leaning over the
head of the bed, and she had her hands next
to my head like this, And so I was seeing
her upside down, and she said, I saw her and
she looked like Leslie Kroca this, you know, deceased friend
(23:19):
of ours. And I said, Leslie, how are you. Gosh,
we haven't seen you in a long time. We miss you.
And she said Mary misses you. And I said, who's Mary.
I don't know anybody in Mary, and she said it
is she who sent me to you.
Speaker 4 (23:35):
And I had no idea who she was.
Speaker 8 (23:37):
What she was talking about didn't make sense to me,
but only later on, after things started happening in twenty twenty,
I revisited that memory and I figured, well, what if
that was a screen memory of one of them telling
me that a different one of them missed me or
wanted to send a communication or something. So I don't
(24:00):
it didn't make any sense. So I'm you know, I'm
not really uh not don't know what to make of
that particular memory. But yeah, but you were asking about about, uh,
you know, my parents. So I was telling my mom
about these screen memories, right, and and how you know,
(24:25):
you'll believe you're seeing some familiar type of face or
in a familiar type of place, but my visual memory
would record what I actually saw, and That's what I'd
remember when I'd wake up the next day back at home,
back in my bed, I would remember the gray's face
without hypnosis.
Speaker 6 (24:44):
Now, I here's the question I really want to ask you.
Speaker 5 (24:47):
These grays.
Speaker 6 (24:48):
Did they they did they seem like robutty, you know,
like a roebut or did they android type of thing?
Or were they humanoid? From the standpoint there, they had
movement on their face, expressions and stuff.
Speaker 8 (25:06):
Only one time that I could remember. Do I remember
tall grays having expressions on their face? But most of
the tall grays are very business like, no nonsense. They
don't volunteer information. They only share they what you need
to know. They only interact with you to gain your
(25:27):
cooperation during a particular encounter if they if they need
your cooperation for something. But the little ones, the small,
the three and a half foot ones, the ones I
call the skinny bobs, you know, like in that skinny
Bob video.
Speaker 4 (25:40):
That's exactly what they look like.
Speaker 8 (25:43):
I mean, I know some people are debating the authenticity
of that skinny Bob video.
Speaker 4 (25:47):
But if you remove the.
Speaker 8 (25:51):
Cheesy after effects that somebody put on that video to
make it look grainier or whatever, that's exactly what they
look like. That's exactly how they move. But those little
ones are actually very meek and somewhat friendly, and and
they're talkative. If if you, you know, if you have
(26:11):
the opportunity to converse, they will actually talk.
Speaker 4 (26:14):
But the taller.
Speaker 8 (26:15):
Grays, the seven eight foot grays, they're they're they're sons
of bees.
Speaker 6 (26:24):
How do they communicate? Is it telepathically?
Speaker 4 (26:27):
It's all telepathic.
Speaker 8 (26:29):
I don't even know if these people have vocal cords.
I never heard them make a noise from their from
their mouth. But I'll speak with my mouth, you know,
during an encounter, and I've done that. But I can
hear their words in my mind clear as a bell.
(26:53):
It's difficult to pin down like there's no accent there.
It's just clear words.
Speaker 4 (27:00):
You know.
Speaker 8 (27:01):
It's but you can't like, oh this sounds like this
kind of person or that kind of person, or a
Southern that drawl or something like that.
Speaker 4 (27:06):
There's no accents. It's just you just hear the words.
Speaker 8 (27:12):
And I have no problem understanding them when when they
communicate with me with the telepathy, it's it's easy for
me at least. Maybe maybe I have to be in
that entranced state that they put me in in order
to to receive you know, when they're when they're communicating.
(27:32):
I don't know, but like if if if I was fully,
fully awake, fully in command of my faculties, would I
be able to understand their telepathy?
Speaker 4 (27:42):
I have no idea.
Speaker 8 (27:44):
I don't know, but but during these experiences I did.
Speaker 6 (27:48):
Now, Eric, we need to take about a three minute
break and we'll continue on about you know, how old
we you were and it started getting really interesting with
these creatures, you know, eke. So stay tuned. Everybody check
out our website at www. Night Dreams Talk Radio will
be right back.
Speaker 5 (28:11):
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Seas, the.
Speaker 3 (01:59):
Instrent all the night Dreamers stuck an n nin Gary
on the radio, but maybe he's not on site. Victims
on is still buying you a pose. That's right, Gary's
Talkshow Radio Wednesday, Thursday Friday Night. If you need a
friends to talk to you, here will always be the
(02:19):
night Dreamers Talk show will fix your spirit because Gary stuck.
Speaker 4 (02:24):
In you and.
Speaker 5 (02:28):
The views and opinions expressed by guests on Night Dreams
with Gary Anderson do not necessarily reflect those of the
Night Dreams Talk Radio Network, It's hosts, staff, or sponsors.
This show is for entertainment purposes only. Listener. This question
is advised from deep the broadcast bunker. A voice cuts
(03:04):
through the static and smashes the silence. This is the
show that rips the lid off reality, exposes the shadows,
and dares to ask the questions no one else will
get ready for truth at full throttle with the man himself,
(03:30):
Gary Anderson, diving into the headlines of the mysterious and unexplained.
This is the unseen news with guide ticker, where the
(03:55):
extraordinary is just the beginning. Sacred US spy plane is
tracked making mysterious lap around UFO Hotspot. A US military
aircraft fitted with sophisticated radar technologies was caught traveling thirteen
hundred miles across the country to the aforementioned hotspot, Pimlico Sound.
(04:19):
The Bowing E three B Century, dubbed America's Ultimate Spy Plane,
left Tinker Air Force Base in Oklahoma Thursday around seven
am Eastern time. The plane flew off the coast of
North Carolina, where it made two circles around Pimlico Sound
and returned to base at two pm Eastern. The bay
(04:41):
has been a place for bizarre sightings, such as glowing orbs,
pulsating white lights, and encutters with grays. In twenty nineteen,
a man captured a video showing fourteen glowing orbs hovering
above the water while aboard a ferry in pimlic Go Sound. However,
(05:02):
there are also military installations in the area. The Century
primarily takes flight for airborne surveillance, command on control of
air operations and to detect, identify, and track targets in
the skies. The aircraft features a thirty foot wide rotating
radar dome that scans a wide area for threats. The
(05:24):
air Force has thirty sentry planes in active service, twenty
six of which are stationed at Tinker. And that wraps
up tonight's top news story. I'm Guy Ticker on the
Night Dream Stalk already on Network.
Speaker 6 (05:41):
Well, JC, how are you doing this evening?
Speaker 7 (05:45):
I'm doing very good. How about you there, mister Gary,
how are you doing well?
Speaker 6 (05:50):
I want to take a minute before we bring our
guests on and talk about AI. You know, a lot
of people don't realize AI actually started back in the
mid eighties. At that time, Like I was telling you earlier, today,
they had well you had your old ibmxds and you know,
in three eighty six machines, and they was very expensive.
(06:12):
You could actually talk into the microphone and it would
catch about ninety percent what you're saying, so it would
take dictation, it would do you know, a little bit
of research, but not much. But now look at this
and you're twenty twenty five. How technology has advanced. And
you know, back in nineteen eighty three, you know they
(06:32):
had that movie Wargames. You remember that one.
Speaker 7 (06:36):
Oh yeah, that yeah, that gave a lot of people nightmares,
I believe, but yeah, I definitely remember that that show.
Speaker 6 (06:43):
Yes, well, do you just think about technology far more
advanced even than war games that you know that movie
where the computer took over and basically was going to
go from a game to actually causing a nuclear holocaust.
But you knowdys with AI, you can't trust anything anymore.
And what I have been doing research on how do
(07:06):
we know some of the these decisions coming from our
government is not coming from AI.
Speaker 7 (07:13):
Exactly? And the scary part was that was forty two
years ago or something, so look how much advanced it
could have come since then. But yeah, you bring a
good point because I've read a lot of articles recently.
Some of the theories are that, yeah, AI may be
running the government. AI maybe even putting out some of
the UFO stuff out there.
Speaker 6 (07:31):
It could be And that's scary because when I talked
to that retired T star general who retired from the
Pentagon about two years ago, he was telling me that
AI is so far advanced that they use it at
the Pentagon for a lot of different things. But you know,
he was talking about how advanced our crafts are off
world craft. He even was talking about that, So if
(07:53):
we do have off world craft that they're not telling
the you know, the population. Think how far AI could
be advanced.
Speaker 7 (08:02):
Oh yeah, it can really go down the rabbit hole.
Just like I was telling you earlier, I was watching
an episode of of Rogan. There was a guy owner
I think the guy from Wi File's maybe, but they
were talking about how AI sent itself a message in
the future to remind it something new to so it
didn't forget something. It was very listen. It's definitely thinking
(08:23):
on its own. So it's just a matter of time Gary,
as they all say, when it realizes what e x
human is doing.
Speaker 6 (08:32):
Well, yeah, but again, you know a lot of the
it's funny, how do we know that a lot of
these reports of UAP's UFOs whatever they're called tonight is
not generated by AI.
Speaker 7 (08:45):
Yeah, and that's a that is a big thing too.
I've seen several researchers and scientists recently, just in the
last few days talking about that. Matter of fact, they
even think they can be the AI is well going
beyond that, putting a lot of stuff out there, and
and they're kind of like, what do you call manipulating
what we see and perceive and they're directing it so
(09:05):
to speak.
Speaker 6 (09:06):
Very very interesting. Well, tonight, we have a great guess
again a person who's been abducted and had in their
family abductions that we're going to talk about it here
tonight and we're going to dive deep into what is
going on. Let's mind out a little bit about our
guests here tonight.
Speaker 5 (09:29):
Eric Nanstell is a designer, writer, nonprofit founder, and lifelong experiencer.
His abduction case has been investigated by MUFAN, the Mutual
ufone Network, and will be presented at their July twenty
twenty five symposium as their Best of the Ert Experience,
a research team eclipsing eight thousand other reported cases that year.
(09:54):
Prior to authoring his memoir, Eric Nanstell wrote for The
Autism File magazine, where he shared personal insights on single
parenting and communication tools for nonverbal children.
Speaker 6 (10:08):
Well, Eric, welcome to this show. Are you staying out
of trouble? It is Friday night.
Speaker 4 (10:14):
I'm pretty boring.
Speaker 8 (10:16):
I'm here in my home studio and just looking forward
to speaking with you.
Speaker 6 (10:22):
Well, you know you had encounters at a young age.
Can you kind of clarify how old you were and
what did you think about your encounter? I mean, how
did it affect you?
Speaker 8 (10:35):
My first experience that I recall happened in nineteen seventy,
maybe in the spring, I'm not sure. I was only
fifteen months old. I was visited by a white orb
of plasma about I don't know, about the size of
a softball, and it would come through my closet door
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to my crib. And and it's only because of that
this happened that I have vivid memories of the layout
of my bedroom as I when I was a baby.
But it would it would cross the room about the
speed of an adult walking, and it would reach my
forehead and I would black out unconscious. And and if
(11:22):
that's all that ever happened in my lifetime, you know,
that could be chalked up to a seizure or something
like that.
Speaker 4 (11:28):
That's what a doctor might call it.
Speaker 8 (11:30):
But it happened many times, and it would come from
different specific locations from a room and it you know,
so it's not like a bright light appeared in front
of me and came at me. No, it would actually
zip through the door, zip through the wall, zip through the.
Speaker 4 (11:51):
Ceiling, and cross the room.
Speaker 8 (11:54):
Uh, not too fast, but about this, like I said,
a speed of an adult walking, and it would touch
my forehead and I would black out, and so those
were my first for the first between the ages of
one and five years old, it was happening fairly regularly,
probably monthly.
Speaker 6 (12:15):
Now, when you were five years old, did you hold
that in or did you go up to your you know,
your parents and tell them, hey, something that is going on.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
Uh.
Speaker 8 (12:27):
I don't remember when I told my mother about the orbs,
but I did tell her, and she assumed they were
angels or something like that.
Speaker 4 (12:36):
She's like, oh, you're special. The angels are visiting you.
Speaker 8 (12:39):
And you know, as a as a kid who doesn't
want to be told that they're special, right, So I'm like, oh,
I'm special, angels visit me whatever. You know, We we
didn't chalk it up to anything more than that, just
like we thought some spiritual experience that sometimes people have,
(12:59):
and and kind of forgot about it, except in late
sometime in nineteen seventy four, my mother started to have
recurring dreams where she, my father, and myself were being
chased through the neighborhood by white orbs that would descend
out of the sky. Hundreds of them descend out of
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the sky and chase us through the neighborhood as we're
trying to run back home, and the orb would eventually
catch up to us and shine like a bright light
down on us. And then my mother said that when
the bright light went away, I was missing, I was gone,
And she had this dream many times during nineteen seventy four,
(13:44):
and I just thought that was interesting because I was
having actual I was seeing these things.
Speaker 4 (13:50):
While I was awake as a child, enter the.
Speaker 8 (13:53):
Rooms I would be in, whether it's my bedroom or
one time I was in the hospital and visited me
in the hospital.
Speaker 6 (14:00):
I was, yeah, Eric, did that scare you at that age?
Speaker 4 (14:04):
I mean no, I was just fascinated.
Speaker 8 (14:08):
I just kind of like had a wide eyed acceptance
of it in the moment, and I didn't understand if
there was something to fear about it. It was peaceful
because I don't associate trauma with it.
Speaker 6 (14:27):
Now. When they came into your room, the orbs, did
they did you feel like they were communicating with you
in any form?
Speaker 8 (14:37):
No, they just come up touch my forehead and knocked
me out. And if they took me, I don't know.
I don't remember. But then when my mother started having
these dreams about me being abducted by white orbs.
Speaker 4 (14:53):
You know, he put two and two together.
Speaker 8 (14:55):
And now I'm thinking maybe I was being actually abducted
at that age, but but I didn't know it, not
at that time.
Speaker 6 (15:06):
How about when you got into grade school and stuff
like that, how were your grades? Were you advancing faster
than normal kids in your class?
Speaker 4 (15:15):
I did well in science, not so much math.
Speaker 8 (15:18):
Science and reading I excelled in and I was an
accelerated class in the fifth grade.
Speaker 4 (15:24):
They put me in with sixth graders, but I wasn't.
Speaker 8 (15:28):
I was never a serious student, but I would voraciously,
you know, dig into subjects that interested me, and usually
anything to do with space or physics or you know,
stellar phenomenon, galaxies, black holes, things like that.
Speaker 4 (15:47):
I love that stuff still do.
Speaker 6 (15:50):
Now besides orbs, did you actually see any grades come
into your room at all?
Speaker 8 (15:57):
Well, not until nineteen ninety, so it was a twenty
year gap between experiences. From nineteen seventy four to ninety four.
I was twenty five years old and I was living
with my best friend, he was my roommate in Wheeling, Illinois.
And it was the third Saturday of August nineteen ninety four,
(16:21):
which would I think that would be.
Speaker 4 (16:23):
August twentieth, and I was.
Speaker 8 (16:29):
Laying in bed, and I was just about to wake up,
and then I entered a lucid dream state where I
knew I was sleeping. Do you ever have a lucid
dream like that before, where you knew you were sleeping?
Speaker 4 (16:40):
Oh?
Speaker 6 (16:40):
Yeah, yeah, And I think we all do.
Speaker 4 (16:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (16:45):
Well sure, And so I decided, like, well, all right,
do I want to have a fun dream or do
I want to get up and start my day? And
that's what I chose to do, get up and start
my day, because I had plans that day and I
was excited to get started. Well, I tried to open
my eyes and I couldn't. I tried to move my
(17:05):
body and I couldn't, and and I thought, this is weird.
And then suddenly a dream came into my vision that
did not come from my own mind. It felt like
it was like implanted, like forced into my head. And
it was a green maple leaf, you know, and it
(17:27):
was the sun was behind it, shining directly down through it,
and I could see the veins and the cells, and
you know, it was like gossamer, you know, translucent structure
of it. And I was spinning beneath this leaf and
there was like music box music playing, and it felt
very surreal. I think it was meant to dazzle me
(17:48):
or distract me, but it freaked me out. I'm like,
this isn't my dream, like this is this is not me,
this is not my mind producing this image. And I
felt very vulnerable at that moment. And then I started
to wake up more to where I could hear my
floor fan running, and then I could I was aware
(18:09):
of like something brushing against the side of my bed
on one side and maybe possibly on the other side.
Speaker 4 (18:18):
So I started a panic.
Speaker 8 (18:19):
I started to undulate, like wake up, wake up, wake up,
And as soon as I managed to break free of it,
I opened my eyes, shot straight up into a sitting position,
and I turned my head to the left, and as
fast as I could turn my head, these things were
moving that fast. Like there was four small grays about
(18:40):
three and a half feet tall, large cranium heads, you
know ashen gray white, i'd say more white than gray,
big black eyes, and they were wearing dark coveralls, like
from their neck all the way down to their feet,
and you know, like a one one piece coverall, like
(19:02):
you know, sleeves, pants, the whole thing, just all one
in one garment.
Speaker 4 (19:06):
And there was four of them. Wash whish, whish whish.
Speaker 8 (19:09):
It's like they were propelled right out of the room
and they went right through my bedroom door like it
wasn't even material, Like it wasn't you know, like you know,
they could just go right through it.
Speaker 4 (19:21):
And and I was just stunned.
Speaker 8 (19:24):
I was just looking, you know, what, what the heck
did I just see?
Speaker 4 (19:29):
And I didn't know what to do it.
Speaker 8 (19:32):
So I I wanted to tell my roommate about it,
but he wasn't home that weekend. He was a traveling
forklift repair technician and he'd go to different cities with
his tool bags, and so he wasn't around, so I
couldn't like go to him and say, hey, did you
see something? And and I was a little too afraid
to pursue because what if they were still in the apartment.
(19:52):
But about five minutes later, I went out into the
into the living room, and you know, there was nothing there.
But I did not at that time consider myself an abductee.
I thought it was just a bizarre thing that happened,
you know. I didn't chalk that up to anything. And
(20:13):
so that was that. But I got a good look
at them, I mean they were moving very fast. It
was a bit of a blur, but enough for you know,
I could register details about their physique, their form, you know,
what they looked like.
Speaker 6 (20:29):
Now I've got to go back. Your mom had something
going on with her. Have you ever sat down? Did
you ever sit down and talk to your parents, both
of them, and ask them have they seen craft? Have
they seen Grays? Have they seen orbs? And also did
(20:49):
their parents see it?
Speaker 8 (20:51):
Well, I didn't have a conversation like that with them
until after things started happening in the year twenty twelve.
Speaker 4 (21:00):
Me.
Speaker 8 (21:00):
That's when my own experience has really opened up and
started happening on a regular basis for a four year period.
But yeah, I did sit down with them and I
told them about my experiences, and as new ones happened,
I would tell them about those two.
Speaker 4 (21:16):
And my mother was listening to me one time. Talk
to her about how the Grays use.
Speaker 8 (21:26):
Some kind of a masking technique for your memories, so
you'll misremember whatever happened, whatever they did with you, you'll
misremember it and maybe chalk it up to a dream.
They'll impose upon me these screen memories where through some
kind of a post hypnotic suggestion. They'll make you believe
you're talking to familiar types of people in familiar types
(21:50):
of situations, Like if you wake up in a strange room,
you'll think you're in a hospital, or one time I
thought I was in an air traffic control room, you know.
And those are the kinds of experiences. If they're one
off experiences and you didn't have this collective context of
everything that was happening, you might just chalk it up
(22:12):
to like a weird dream. Except these were very physical,
visceral experiences that go beyond what a dream could produce,
you know, in your memory.
Speaker 6 (22:25):
Yeah, when this was going on, did they ever mimic
any friends or loved ones or anything like that?
Speaker 4 (22:31):
So that either yeah, yeah, they did well.
Speaker 8 (22:36):
In nineteen ninety four, after the experience where I saw
the Grays, I did have one experience where a deceased
former neighbor of mine that there was friends with my
parents came to me in a lucid dream, and it
(22:57):
was as though she was in my field of view
upside down, as though she were like leaning over the
head of the bed, and she had her hands next
to my head like this, And so I was seeing
her upside down, and she said, I saw her and
she looked like Leslie Kroca this, you know, deceased friend
(23:19):
of ours. And I said, Leslie, how are you. Gosh,
we haven't seen you in a long time. We miss you.
And she said Mary misses you. And I said, who's Mary.
I don't know anybody in Mary, and she said it
is she who sent me to you.
Speaker 4 (23:35):
And I had no idea who she was.
Speaker 8 (23:37):
What she was talking about didn't make sense to me,
but only later on, after things started happening in twenty twenty,
I revisited that memory and I figured, well, what if
that was a screen memory of one of them telling
me that a different one of them missed me or
wanted to send a communication or something. So I don't
(24:00):
it didn't make any sense. So I'm you know, I'm
not really uh not don't know what to make of
that particular memory. But yeah, but you were asking about about, uh,
you know, my parents. So I was telling my mom
about these screen memories, right, and and how you know,
(24:25):
you'll believe you're seeing some familiar type of face or
in a familiar type of place, but my visual memory
would record what I actually saw, and That's what I'd
remember when I'd wake up the next day back at home,
back in my bed, I would remember the gray's face
without hypnosis.
Speaker 6 (24:44):
Now, I here's the question I really want to ask you.
Speaker 5 (24:47):
These grays.
Speaker 6 (24:48):
Did they they did they seem like robutty, you know,
like a roebut or did they android type of thing?
Or were they humanoid? From the standpoint there, they had
movement on their face, expressions and stuff.
Speaker 8 (25:06):
Only one time that I could remember. Do I remember
tall grays having expressions on their face? But most of
the tall grays are very business like, no nonsense. They
don't volunteer information. They only share they what you need
to know. They only interact with you to gain your
(25:27):
cooperation during a particular encounter if they if they need
your cooperation for something. But the little ones, the small,
the three and a half foot ones, the ones I
call the skinny bobs, you know, like in that skinny
Bob video.
Speaker 4 (25:40):
That's exactly what they look like.
Speaker 8 (25:43):
I mean, I know some people are debating the authenticity
of that skinny Bob video.
Speaker 4 (25:47):
But if you remove the.
Speaker 8 (25:51):
Cheesy after effects that somebody put on that video to
make it look grainier or whatever, that's exactly what they
look like. That's exactly how they move. But those little
ones are actually very meek and somewhat friendly, and and
they're talkative. If if you, you know, if you have
(26:11):
the opportunity to converse, they will actually talk.
Speaker 4 (26:14):
But the taller.
Speaker 8 (26:15):
Grays, the seven eight foot grays, they're they're they're sons
of bees.
Speaker 6 (26:24):
How do they communicate? Is it telepathically?
Speaker 4 (26:27):
It's all telepathic.
Speaker 8 (26:29):
I don't even know if these people have vocal cords.
I never heard them make a noise from their from
their mouth. But I'll speak with my mouth, you know,
during an encounter, and I've done that. But I can
hear their words in my mind clear as a bell.
(26:53):
It's difficult to pin down like there's no accent there.
It's just clear words.
Speaker 4 (27:00):
You know.
Speaker 8 (27:01):
It's but you can't like, oh this sounds like this
kind of person or that kind of person, or a
Southern that drawl or something like that.
Speaker 4 (27:06):
There's no accents. It's just you just hear the words.
Speaker 8 (27:12):
And I have no problem understanding them when when they
communicate with me with the telepathy, it's it's easy for
me at least. Maybe maybe I have to be in
that entranced state that they put me in in order
to to receive you know, when they're when they're communicating.
(27:32):
I don't know, but like if if if I was fully,
fully awake, fully in command of my faculties, would I
be able to understand their telepathy?
Speaker 4 (27:42):
I have no idea.
Speaker 8 (27:44):
I don't know, but but during these experiences I did.
Speaker 6 (27:48):
Now, Eric, we need to take about a three minute
break and we'll continue on about you know, how old
we you were and it started getting really interesting with
these creatures, you know, eke. So stay tuned. Everybody check
out our website at www. Night Dreams Talk Radio will
be right back.
Speaker 5 (28:11):
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