UFOS AND NASA Dr. Gregory Rogers Time Traveling Andrew Basiago UFOS Marc D' Antonio

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Speaker 2 (03:01):
Well another night here behind the test of this microphone
and JC the computer crashed right as we went to
go on the air, so you know, as it is
with OBIA software, it goes back to the previous show.
So remind me soon as we're off to do all
the what to get this corrected. Okay for the title

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and not where right now it says we're talking to
the Seattle Flight Museum. We got to get that taken
care of right after. You know, Jac, a lot of
fighting that's going on. If you haven't noticed in uphology.

Speaker 5 (03:36):
I have noticed it every day. It's like a soap operator.
He said. She said, he's wrong. I'm right on we go.

Speaker 2 (03:43):
What do you think about that spear that doctor Greer
is talking about and been showing and promoting.

Speaker 5 (03:52):
I tell you what I have seen. There was an
article that showed that spear side by side with another spear.
I can't I can't find the article. I'm gonna find it.
But it's almost identical. It looks like somebody did a
little bit of work on the one that they found.
But the one that I mean, it's got the same
circular ring around it, the same holes they all it's

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very close.

Speaker 2 (04:14):
If it's not the same, well, my concern too it's
made out of luninin, That's what they said. And you
know allumin has a real low melting temperature. And again,
what it puzzles me if it is some et that
tells me how if they have the technology to come
from the galaxy to our planet, why are they still

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using fiber optics.

Speaker 5 (04:38):
Well, the other thing you can very easily tell by
looking at how it was made on a molecular level,
because as you know, there's a lot of materials out
there has been found that we can't make today on
a molecular level that some of these things are made from.

Speaker 2 (04:54):
But some of it being out of luninin and fiber
optics is kind of suspicious to me. But that's just me.
I've only been doing this fifty some years, you know,
talking about this.

Speaker 5 (05:04):
Yeah, you've been around a little bit. Yeah some years now.

Speaker 2 (05:07):
I've been around the block more times than my wife was.

Speaker 5 (05:11):
Yeah, you're doing more in kicking the tires, that's for sure.

Speaker 2 (05:13):
We got a great show here tonight. We have Well
who do we have?

Speaker 6 (05:18):
Hey?

Speaker 5 (05:18):
We got doctor Gregory Rogers on man. He is a
flight surgeon and this guy his resume, you can only
dream of having one as good as.

Speaker 2 (05:26):
His well, I found out he kind of like drove
or piloted or steered a submarine, a nuclear submarine. I mean,
this guy has done a lot, you know. And you know,
I was the only helicopters I ever was in when
I was in Vietnam was the old Huey. I mean,
he's got to fly a couple of helicopters, including the Cobra.

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Oh that's like a Rose Royce helicopters, or the Ferrari helicopters.

Speaker 5 (05:53):
Yeah, listen, he's above them beyond because a lot of
the aircraft he either had to fly or learn how
to fly and order to properly determine if a pilot
needs to be grounded or if he can go in
and fly the craft that he's flying.

Speaker 2 (06:08):
And I thought I did good. Jayc learning how to
ride a motorcycle all those years, that was my big
thing in life, you know, other than the glider. You know,
I wanted to go powder craft, but my wife said no. Now,
we had eight kids at the time, and she said, no,
you're not going to kill yourself. And I said, do
you know if I was going to kill myself, would
probably be off the glider.

Speaker 5 (06:29):
Yeah. I was just going to say, I think there's
a certain food chain that may disagree with the end.

Speaker 2 (06:35):
All the time I took her up in the glider.
It was an old Norwegian forest eater. It was an
old one and it was made out of metal. So
your flight time depending how high you were up and dropped,
maybe on a good day, twenty twenty five minutes. And
I know I had her in there, and I had
another person who I don't even remember who it was,

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And my wife goes, where's the parachutes.

Speaker 5 (06:59):
Yeah, it's a good thing you didn't have an ejection
seat too.

Speaker 2 (07:03):
Why does that jump out the door? Flap your arms,
it's gonna do. This is about it better than going
down on the plane anyway. Why don't we find out
a little bit more about our guests and then we'll
get going.

Speaker 5 (07:14):
Let's do it.

Speaker 4 (07:17):
Doctor Gregory Rogers do Aerospace medicine expert and UAP witness.
Doctor Gregory Rogers is a retired US Air Force major
and former Chief of Aerospace Medicine for the forty fifth
Space Wing at Cape Canaveral, With over forty years of
service in military and space medicine. He was trained at

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NASA's Johnson Space Center and supported numerous manned and unmanned
space missions. In nineteen ninety two, while stationed at Cape Canaveral,
Doctor Rogers was shown classified footage of a twenty foot
disc shaped craft marked with US Air Force insignia, hovering
silently and defying conventional air dynamics. When he asked about

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its origin, the response was chilling, We got it from them.
Since retiring, doctor Rogers has spoken publicly on UAP encounters
and currently serves on the Board of Directors for the
International UFO Bureau, lending his credibility and first hand experience
to the global conversation on unexplained aerial phenomena.

Speaker 2 (08:26):
Well, doctor, I want to thank you so much for
your service to this country.

Speaker 7 (08:33):
Well, I appreciate the fact that I'm here to mention it. Unfortunately,
I've had too many friends who died serving this country.
So when people talk to veterans a lot of times
they don't realize that veterans often have survival guilt.

Speaker 2 (08:55):
They do now, I still have mine from many years ago. Well, Greg,
how old are you when you started getting interested in
aircraft UFOs? And when you were a child did you
watch those B movies with the monsters with a one
eye coming down in a flying saucer.

Speaker 7 (09:14):
Oh yeah, I've watched those that I can remember. You know,
I'm old enough that I used to get down on
my swing set and according to which astronaut for the
Mercury program was launching at any particular time, I would

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pretend I was Alan Shepherd or John Glynn.

Speaker 6 (09:44):
Or Gordon Cooper.

Speaker 7 (09:46):
And yeah, I just never thought at the time that
I would actually in any way be involved with the
space program. I remember watching in nineteen sixty nine when Does.

Speaker 6 (09:59):
Altern and Neil Armstrong.

Speaker 7 (10:03):
Stepped out on the Moon, And little did I ever
know that I would one day get a phone call
from the's altron and we communicated for a while, and
he actually invited me to do a joint book signing
with me.

Speaker 2 (10:19):
Oh wow, what type of person is he? Like?

Speaker 7 (10:23):
Great person, I'll tell you, Generally speaking, the astronauts are
some of the best people to work around anywhere on
the Earth. When the selections were going on while I
was there, they would take the person's background, their resume,

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do all of those things, and then they would select
one hundred and twenty people I believe it was, and
then they would bring him to Johnson Space Center do
amazing levels of physical examinations, including heart cats, and then

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it was either a pass or failed.

Speaker 6 (11:09):
You didn't get a grade.

Speaker 7 (11:11):
And then once they had the people who had passed
that physical the rest of the selection was done purely
on the basis of interviews. So the astronauts were there,
some of the NASA managers were there, and other people,
and so the biggest question at that point is if

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I'm going to be seventeen days in space with this person.

Speaker 6 (11:36):
Is someone I want to deal with?

Speaker 7 (11:39):
And there would be times when they might be great scientists,
but they'd say, you know, I don't think I could
put up with this guy for seventeen days, And he
didn't get selected. And then there were other people who
were just as friendly as possible, and they were the
ones that tended to get accepted.

Speaker 6 (12:00):
So the astronauts were the best people in the world
to work with.

Speaker 2 (12:03):
It wouldn't it be really hard, though, You're confined in
a small space with either a group of people in
this shuttle or you know, going to wherever they went.

Speaker 6 (12:17):
Well, just think about the movie Vacation.

Speaker 7 (12:23):
You get in a car and you drive, But the
thing is they got out of the car and did
stuff when the astronauts get into the orbiter. The longer
Space Shuttle missions would be seventeen days. So for seventeen days,
you're there with everybody else that's there. And even though

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on television it looked like a large space, the actual
space for the mid deck and flight deck, and then
on some of the missions they would have a space
Lab module that was attached in the cargo base, and
so that would give him about twice as much space.
But you're stuck there. You can't go outside. It's out

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of space. The inside of the orbiters were kept at
fourteen point seven psi, which is sea level, but outside
it was zero point zero seven psi. So I can't
be exposed to that. The blood would boil right through

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your skins.

Speaker 2 (13:34):
Oh wow. So if you were out there in a
space suit or without a how would how long would
you live outside of in.

Speaker 6 (13:42):
Space without a spacesuit?

Speaker 7 (13:47):
It would it would be moments to maybe a minute.

Speaker 6 (13:53):
If you had a spacesuit. As long as the space
suit had.

Speaker 7 (13:57):
Suitable expenditures capable for oxygen, water and the like, you
could stay out there for a matter of seven or
eight dollars.

Speaker 2 (14:09):
Wow, that would be a painful way to die out
in space, wouldn't it?

Speaker 6 (14:13):
Yes? It would.

Speaker 2 (14:15):
Also.

Speaker 6 (14:16):
You know, one time I was talking to buzz Aldron.

Speaker 7 (14:20):
Do you know about the story about him and the
pin on Apollo eleven?

Speaker 2 (14:27):
No? I don't. Why do you tell me in the listener?

Speaker 6 (14:28):
Okay?

Speaker 7 (14:30):
Well, when they landed on the Moon, Neil Armstrong and
Buzz Aldron had to get into these bulky spacesuits and
then go out for the spacewalk and walk around on
the surface of the Moon. When they came back in,
as they were doffing their spacesuits, one of them accidentally

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bumped a switch and broke it off. And it just
so happened that that switch was the lunar mod you'll
assent engine ignition switch, So they had to ignite that
to lift off from the Moon. Except now it's broken.

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So Neil and Buzz talked to Houston saying, hey, how
are we going to do this? What's the workaround?

Speaker 6 (15:19):
And you know, the people.

Speaker 7 (15:21):
Johnson's Space Center said, there is no work around. We
never planned for this. Uh, you guys have a four
hour sleep cycle, y'all go take a rest and we'll
we'll get it worked. Going down here Neil Armstrong being
Neil Armstrong, he went to sleep.

Speaker 6 (15:43):
Buzz Aldron being buzz Aldron.

Speaker 7 (15:45):
Said no, no, no, no, I'm going to take a look
at this until I can figure it out. So at
the end of four hours, they officially woke up Neil
and Buzz and they told him, you know, we have
not really figured this out. Well, Buzz had taken off

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the outer housing for that, and he said, you know,
I think I can get my pin in there and
close that switch. And so they said, well, let's.

Speaker 6 (16:19):
See if you can do it.

Speaker 7 (16:20):
So while they're counting down ten, nine, eight, Buzz is
standing there in the lunar module with this pin and
when they get to zero, he punches it in closes
the circuit, the ignition switch, ignites the ascent engine, and
off they go.

Speaker 6 (16:41):
So that's how close they were to dine.

Speaker 2 (16:45):
Yeah, and they told him to sleep for four hours.
Who could sleep in that circumstances, Well, maybe somebody could.

Speaker 6 (16:55):
Well.

Speaker 7 (16:56):
Neil Armstrong was an amazing person. I don't know if
you know about the flying bedstead An incident. They had
this thing that was sort of working like a helicopter
that would simulate what the lunar module would fly like
when they got to the moon. However, the Moon's gravity

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is only one sixth that of Earth, so the engines
on this flying bedstead as they called it, was six
times more powerful than the ones they would use during
the descent to the Moon. Well, as Neil was flying it,
something went wrong and it started to turn over. Immediately

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recognizing that hey, this has really gone bad, Neil Armstrong
ejected from this thing. So it crashes and burns and
they run over to Neil Armstrong and this amazing story.

Speaker 6 (17:57):
They run up to it and say, sir, are you
all right?

Speaker 7 (18:02):
Neil's response was, I think I figured out what went wrong.
So while he's in the parachute having ejected, falling toward
the Earth, his mind was racing through what the problems were,
and it turned out that he had in fact figured
out what was wrong while he was in the parachute

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after ejecting from that thing.

Speaker 2 (18:27):
Wow. Yeah, he was a go getter, you know, long
before he became a aspect.

Speaker 6 (18:33):
Full under pressure. You know, a lot of people don't
know that he started.

Speaker 7 (18:37):
Off in the X fifteen program and he actually got
his initial astronaut wings from flying the F fifteen. And
then when he joined NASA. He switched to the NASA astronaut.

Speaker 2 (18:55):
What do you think that what's going to go on
with NASA with to go back to the Moon.

Speaker 6 (19:03):
Sure we will.

Speaker 7 (19:05):
The single biggest problem is who's going to pay for it.
Everything about spaceflight is expensive. You know, we had an
Apollo eighteen that was ready to go to the Moon,
but they said, you know, we've already been there, We've
got samples. It costs a lot of money, let's just

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not do it. So they canceled the last trip to them.
We have not had the physical capability with our rockets
to go back with the man's spaceflight to safely do so.

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We did send a mission around the Moon, but this
time in this decade, they did not have a crew
on board.

Speaker 2 (19:58):
Very interesting.

Speaker 7 (20:00):
When we when we spend the money to do it, well,
we'll be able to return to the Moon. But man,
it costs money. And these days, with the fiscal crisis
and deficit spending that the government has, it's a matter
of okay, if you're going to take this many billion
dollars to go to the Moon, you're going to have

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to take it out of something else where. Do we
want to cut the budget in these other areas.

Speaker 2 (20:27):
Well, I can tell you where you can take it.
Take it out of Medicare. Are they taking everything out
of Medicare?

Speaker 6 (20:34):
Well, I have.

Speaker 7 (20:35):
That's not true since I've retired and joined the Medicare crowd.

Speaker 6 (20:41):
You know, when I passed fifty and started.

Speaker 7 (20:44):
Getting mail from AARP, I can say, well, I'm a
young fifty. You know I'm still good. When you're getting Medicare,
you just got to admit I'm old. I've got a
Medicare cards.

Speaker 2 (21:01):
Well, join the crowd. I'm going on seventy four, So
no spring Chicken anymore. I'll tell you that. But you
know again, how about astronauts. Have any of them came
up without mentioning any names, with wild stories of seeing
UFOs following them, or orbs or anything. Strange? Yes, how strange?

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The type of stuff do they talk about?

Speaker 6 (21:32):
They've talked about some very interesting things. Some of them
were not.

Speaker 7 (21:44):
Exhibiting capabilities that we could not duplicate.

Speaker 6 (21:50):
In some cases they did, but some of them were
just up there.

Speaker 7 (21:56):
It was as though they were saying, hey, we know
you're here, we're watching.

Speaker 2 (22:01):
Well, maybe they found it intriguing too, because look how
far advanced they are and look at us. We're not
even a level one civilization yet, and who knows what level.

Speaker 7 (22:11):
Hey, look, these humans figured out how to ride a bicycle.

Speaker 2 (22:16):
Now, yeah, our model a one of the two. I mean,
if you think about it, but you know, they probably
were intrigued that. Oh my god, these these intelligent people
on that planet who actually discovered how to leave it
kind of How about going to the Moon and never
having a moon base do you think that's going to

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ever happen in our lifetime?

Speaker 7 (22:41):
Eventually we'll have a moon base, and there's probably several reasons,
one of which is going to be financial. Yeah, if
you ever work out the details to where you can
have a lunar base, you can do mining and send
back the minerals.

Speaker 6 (23:05):
You can make a lot of money. You know when
sat when.

Speaker 7 (23:10):
An asteroid comes into the arst atmosphere and it lands
as a meteorite, the metals in those meteorites can be
very valuable.

Speaker 2 (23:23):
Yeah, it did be a lot, you know, probably more
than everything on this planet. Actually, if you think about
it now, when you as a flight surgeon, how have
you seen things go during your career? How far have
we advanced and involved?

Speaker 7 (23:48):
We've made great progress It all depends on which areas
you're talking about. When I learned to fly sixteens back
in I believe ninety four, the technology that I was

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exposed to was really amazing.

Speaker 6 (24:14):
Well, the F twenty two and F thirty.

Speaker 7 (24:17):
Fives have come out since then and they've got even
more amazing things.

Speaker 6 (24:21):
But you look at the Ukraine, the good of sixteen
is still.

Speaker 7 (24:27):
An advanced platform and able to give the Russians a
lot of problems. If the Ukrainians had the latest model
and all of the.

Speaker 6 (24:41):
Different capabilities that the US has.

Speaker 7 (24:44):
On our F sixteens, it would be a lot of
problems for the Russians.

Speaker 6 (24:51):
You know, they're having all these problems with F sixteens
from thirty years ago.

Speaker 7 (24:55):
What if they were flying against F twenty twos and
F thirty fives. The Russian Air Force would be in trouble.

Speaker 2 (25:03):
Oh yeah, big, And it has involved so much now.
You also you flew in some helicopters. Well, what was
it like to fly the Gobra.

Speaker 6 (25:15):
By the way, Oh, it was a lot of fun.

Speaker 7 (25:20):
I initially got my solo certificate in a helicopter. A
lot of people don't realize, but the UH one Huie
and the Age one Cobra were basically built from the
same airframe they had. The Hui was originally an Araback aircraft,

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but man, it was so useful. You could put rockets
on it, you could put machine guns, you could carry
a bunch of troops. The Hui just became the workhorse
throughout Vietnam. But when Hughey was coming in to lay
down suppressive fire on a specific location, because it was

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so wide, it could take.

Speaker 6 (26:13):
A lot of hits. So what the.

Speaker 7 (26:19):
Engineers did was they shrunk it down, and so the
width of the Cobrat was only like this wide. When
you get in it, you've got one pilot sitting in
front of another pilot, and then you've got the twenty
milimeter chain gun out there. On the two platforms, you

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could put rockets, you could put machine guns, you could
put tow missiles.

Speaker 6 (26:51):
Later they used more advanced rockets, but.

Speaker 7 (26:59):
When you were trying to shoot at cobra, you had
to be real accurate because there just wasn't much fuselage
to hit.

Speaker 6 (27:17):
And that was the.

Speaker 7 (27:17):
Big advantage of turning the Huie into a gunship like
the Age one Cobra. In fact, the Marines are still
using the super cobras these days instead of the apaches
that the army is using.

Speaker 2 (27:33):
Very interesting then they were built. I heard they were
built on pvery much of the design of the Huie.
One thing I will say about the Hui. The pilot
and the coal pilot on the Huie had protection armor
for bullets coming through if you were in the back.
You didn't have that protection on those by the way.

Speaker 7 (27:53):
No, well, if you go back to Apocalypse now, some
of the people were sitting on their helmets to protect
vital parts of their anatomys.

Speaker 2 (28:06):
Yeah, that would make some changes. If you had to
use the bathroom, you had to sit down both ways.
But you know, I can tell you this. I saw
a lot of air conditioning coming through the floor of
those things at times. Again, you also, how did this
thing with the submarine where you piloted a nuclear billion

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dollar plus submarine? How did that all come about?

Speaker 7 (28:32):
Okay, well, there were only a few flight surgeons. There
were two full time flight surgeons and then a part
time flight surgeon who also was working with d DNS,
which is the Department of defenseman Spaceflight Support Office, And
so we would rotate turns being flight surgeon of the day.

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So we had U two's, we had all kinds of
other aircraft. If something goes wrong and there's an in
flight emergency, the flight surgeon of the day would go
jump in the ambulance with our rescue teams and fly
out there and if anyone was injured, we would provide

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the initial treatment until we could transport them to definitive treatment. Well,
one day I was the flight surgeon of the day
and the USS Montfillier was fast attack nuclear submarine and
it had just been commissioned, so it had come down
to Port Canafraal to the Naval Ordinance Test Unit or

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no tube and so they've been outfitted and they were
going to go out.

Speaker 6 (29:43):
To the Bahamas to do sea trials.

Speaker 7 (29:47):
Well, just after that left Port Canaveral, they decided to
attempt an emergency dive exercise. So everyone that's up on
the sale slides down the ladder, you close the hatch,
and the submarine dives.

Speaker 6 (30:06):
Well, everything was going.

Speaker 7 (30:07):
Okay, except that the executive officer, the number two person
for the ship, was the last one to go down. Well,
he lost his grip on the ladder and so he
started falling and bumping things as he went. So I
think he felt like eighteen feet and so he was injured. Well,

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they had a brand new independent duty medical technician on board,
sort of like specialized paramedic who could even perform surgery
in emergencies. But because they thought this is a shakedown cruise,
we'll just put a newbie on.

Speaker 6 (30:46):
Well, the newbie guy.

Speaker 7 (30:48):
Is looking at the executive officer, the number two guy
on the submarine, and he's laying on the deck heart
and he said help. We got to have some help.
So they called No.

Speaker 6 (31:02):
Two.

Speaker 7 (31:03):
No two called the Air Force. The Air Force said, well,
we'll send out a flight surgeon. I was the flight
surgeon today, so I ended up going out on the
Montpellier and then we continued onto a Luthra in the Bahamas.
So I got to do a lot of g whiz stuff,
like I was standing on the sel and got to

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see the porpoises jumping across the bow, and then I
got to look through the periscope as we went underwater,
and I got tours of different things all over the ship. Fortunately,
the executive officer was not significantly hurt, so everything was good. Well,

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as I was getting a tour in the conning tower area,
you know, I need to explain that I was in
my blue flight suit with Space Shuttle patches on, and
here I am in there, and so they say, well,
if you work with the Space Shuttle, we can show

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you all this classified stuff. So they were taking me
around doing all of this. Well, the chief of the boat,
who's a senior enlisted person, said hey, doc, let's let's
have you sit down right here. There's an inboard and
an outboard helm station and he said, sit down at
this inside one and we'll see how you do.

Speaker 6 (32:28):
So he gave me.

Speaker 7 (32:30):
The stern planes, I believe, and so you know, I
was fiddling with it, but you know, there really wasn't
a whole lot to that. But eventually he said, you know,
you're doing a really good job. Since you can fly helicopters,
you know the submarine moves in three axes as well,

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you can probably handle take it over the submarine. I said,
oh sure, So I thought he was sort of kidding.
All of a sudden, he tells the helmsman in the
outboard station go ahead and.

Speaker 6 (33:09):
Get out of there.

Speaker 7 (33:10):
And so he reaches over to this switch and he says,
when I flipped this switch, you're going to be in
complete control of a one point seven billion dollar submarine
with eighty five lives eighty five souls on board. So
I said, okay, as long as there's no pressure, that's fine.
So he flipped the switch and I'm completely at the

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control of the helm for the submarine. I quickly learned
that there's a thing called the bubble, and so when
you make an input into a submarine, especially when you're
at slow speed, the bubble will tell you how much
of an input you made. But when you're traveling at

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really slow speeds, it could be forty five seconds before
you see the submarine actually moved. So the first time
I did this, at about twenty five or thirty seconds,
I thought, man, I miss screwed up. So I added
more input for a left turn. You know, the Navy

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doesn't say left and right, but I was in the
Air Force, so I'm going to say left and right
instead of port in starboard. So I gave a second input,
and next thing I know, we're going way too far
to the left. So I learned to trust the bubble.
So I'm doing this. I feel like I'm just getting

(34:35):
the hang of it. It's been like twenty minutes that
I was at the controls, and all of a sudden,
this alarm goes.

Speaker 6 (34:42):
Shram shram shram.

Speaker 7 (34:44):
This is an exercise message shram shram shram.

Speaker 6 (34:49):
I'm looking around, like, man, did I do that?

Speaker 7 (34:52):
And they said, oh no, we're practicing emergency shutdown of
the nuclear pile. So the officer of the deck said, Doc,
get on out there and we'll put the helmetsman back in.
But the chief of the boat said, no, no, no,
Doc's done. Fine, I'll talking through it. So I'm doing

(35:12):
all of this stuff for this and another thirty forty
five minutes go by, and finally they say the exercise
is terminated. So I look back at the chief of
the boat said, you know, I think the regular helmsman
could go ahead and come in here now. But I
for more than an hour, I was in complete control
of a one point seven billion dollar vessel with eighty

(35:37):
five souls on board.

Speaker 2 (35:38):
Did you get nervous at all?

Speaker 7 (35:44):
I didn't get nervous, but I got frustrated at first
because I was trying to figure out how to follow
that bubble. Once I figured out, you've got to trust
the bubble. If you make an input, the bubble will
show you how much of an input you made, and
when it goes to where you want to go, you stop,

(36:06):
and even though the submarine has not responded, the bubble
tells you it's going to respond to that point.

Speaker 6 (36:13):
So once I had that figured.

Speaker 8 (36:15):
Out, that was that was very interesting and I enjoyed
it that doing it for about an hour was long enough.

Speaker 2 (36:30):
Well compared to going up in the air, going into space,
and going underwater and piloting in a one point some
billion dollar submarine attack submarine, You've had a really exciting career. Now,
rumor has it you saw UFO.

Speaker 7 (36:48):
Well, sort of yes and sort of no, okay, and
unidentified flying object is something that you don't know what
it is, So technically I did not UFO. What happened
was that I had gone up to the Cape and
I was doing some inspections because as the chief of

(37:08):
Aerospace Medicine, most of the stuff done at Cape Canaveral
was actually done by contracting companies. The main company that
was up there running all of the medical operations and
much of the base operations was EG and G. So
I had been with an EG and G escort and

(37:30):
we'd been to several buildings looking at some of the
things they had done. And so I went to the
last building, and as I came out of the clean room,
I had had to put on electro magnetic reducing booties,
lab coat and a hairnet so I didn't have my

(37:50):
hair get into any of the spacecrafts. So as I'm
taking all this off, my escort who has done a
lot more time, and I did. Man, he whipped it
off and he said, okay, bye doctor, and out he went.
So I was like a minute or two behind him
putting up all my stuff. I was being more careful,

(38:11):
and so as I walked out of these double doors,
there was this major that was standing to my right
and he was in one of the launch outfits. So
he was a launch officer on the Cape Canaveral side.
And I saw him and I didn't recognize him, but
he recognized me. You know, it's very much like if

(38:35):
you're an er doctor, which I was, you could be
a Walmart and somebody comes up and says.

Speaker 6 (38:43):
Hey, my shoulder's feeling better.

Speaker 7 (38:45):
Well, I don't remember who this person is, so I said, well, great,
I'm glad your shoulders feeling better.

Speaker 6 (38:52):
He said, look I can move it like this. Okay, great,
and so I shook his hand and he walked off.

Speaker 7 (38:58):
I had no idea who that was. That he had
seen me in the emergency room, so he remembered me,
but I did not remember him. Well, that's the same
sort of situation with this major. We did annual physicals
on all kinds of people. We had like sixteen one hundred,
eighteen hundred people between Cape Canaveral, the Eastern Missile Range,

(39:26):
the Eastern Space and Missile Center, the Air Force Technical
Application Center, Combat Air Controllers, State Department Mission, and all
of our Air Rescue Squadron personnel.

Speaker 6 (39:42):
And so.

Speaker 7 (39:45):
I would see so many people they didn't necessarily register
to me who they were.

Speaker 6 (39:50):
But this guy remembered me. So he said, hey, Doc,
I've got something to show you that even you had
never seen.

Speaker 7 (39:58):
Now then I believe that this time he said that
because most of the people at Cape Canaveral have clearances
to go just to certain buildings in certain areas, they
cannot go elsewhere on the cape. But because I had
to oversee a lot of different things going on.

Speaker 6 (40:19):
I went to.

Speaker 7 (40:21):
Probably most of the buildings on Cape Canaveral. There were
some buildings that I didn't even have the security to
go into. But he seemed to be impressed, and so
he said, come here, I'm going to show you something.
So we stepped into this little office on the right side,
and he immediately shut the door. And there were loovers

(40:45):
on the windows, louvered blinds, and so he closes those
on the door and then on the windows behind the door,
and he said, I'm going to show you something that
will knock your socks off. Well, I had no idea
what he was talking about. I didn't know what he
was doing or anything. So I thought, man, I hope

(41:08):
this isn't going to take long. You know, I need
to get back to my clinic. So he sits down
at this computer station. He turns on the computer and
there's a computer screen that's associated with it. So he's
doing this stuff and we're just sort of shooting the breeze,
and then all of a sudden, he says, here it is.

(41:30):
So he got up out of his chair and moved
to the chair to the left. So I sit down
in his chair to see what on earth he was
looking at. Well, when I looked at this thing, it
was a closed circuit television screen showing the inside of
a hangar.

Speaker 6 (41:50):
The hangar looked totally typical.

Speaker 7 (41:53):
I did most of my flying at that time with
the forty first Air Rescue Squadron, And if you had
set up a closed circuit can at the forty first ars,
it would look down and you would see an HH
three E jolly green giant helicopter. So it looked just
like a typical hangar, except this wasn't an AHH three helicopter.

(42:17):
What I was looking at was a literal flying well,
a saucer.

Speaker 6 (42:23):
It wasn't flying yet.

Speaker 7 (42:25):
So I saw the saucer shaped craft about twenty feet
in length. There were a couple of guys over to
the left and three guys to the right, and so
I judged the width of the craft by how tall
those people were. Well, there was a sound that went

(42:46):
off and everybody cleared out, and so all of a sudden,
this craft starts making.

Speaker 6 (42:53):
These electromagnetic.

Speaker 7 (42:58):
Events occur on the outside of the spacecraft. Now, the
spacecraft was totally white. It looked like a modified egg.
It was pearly white. There were no rivets, scenes, windows, doors,
anything on it. The only thing that gave it any

(43:18):
recognition was that on the beam at the.

Speaker 6 (43:24):
Twelve o'clock to thirty region.

Speaker 7 (43:30):
Right on the beam there was a long horizontal rectangle.
Then there was another rectangle from the three point thirty
to the five to thirty position. Later I saw that
it was also there was one at the six thirty
to eight thirty position and nine thirty to eleven thirty position,

(43:50):
at the three o'clock position, the six o'clock position. In
the nine o'clock position, there were vertical rectangles black rectangles.

Speaker 6 (44:00):
So as soon as I saw that, I thought, this
is a test bed article.

Speaker 7 (44:05):
You know, someone's doing testing on this thing, because that's
the way you mark test vehicles. Well, when it started
doing these things, all of a sudden, it just lifted
off the floor as easy as could be. It was
just like a feather was floating. You know, if I'd

(44:26):
not been watching it closely, I wouldn't have even noticed
the motion. Well, as it got up about three feet
off the floor, it set there for a second and
then it rotated three hundred and sixty degrees clockwise. Then
it rotated three hundred and sixty degrees counterclockwise and then

(44:47):
held at that position. Well, as it rotated I could
see that at the twelve o'clock position, this as it rotated,
I could see writing and said US Air Force Wow,
and right above that it had an Air Force flight insignia.

(45:07):
So I was shocked to see a flying saucer, but
I was more shocked to seeing a flying saucer that
had US Air Force written on it.

Speaker 6 (45:16):
Now, then at the top of.

Speaker 7 (45:20):
The craft there was a little dome and there was
a pole sticking out, and that pole was attached to
what looked like three umbilical hoses that were moving off
above the craft, and then left my field of view. Well,

(45:42):
then this thing moves slightly to the right, slightly to
the left, slightly forward, slightly back, as though they're just
testing the control mechanisms. So I'm watching this and I
looked over at the guy and said, what on earth
are we doing making this thing? Who would do this?
And he said I can't tell you that. I said, well,

(46:05):
why would we make a craft like this? And this
is exactly what he did. He said, we got it
from them.

Speaker 2 (46:13):
From them, yeah, no, from then.

Speaker 6 (46:17):
Yeah, you know, it's to me.

Speaker 7 (46:20):
It felt funny that he was pointing upward with his thumb.
I think he would have done that, but he was
using his thumb to say we got it from them.

Speaker 6 (46:29):
Well, I'm sitting there watching it.

Speaker 7 (46:31):
All of a sudden it just tilts as easily as
could be and goes to It raises the twelve o'clock
position and drops the six o'clock position, and it moves
into a forty five degree angle of attack. And now
this totally shocks me because I flew helicopters.

Speaker 6 (46:53):
I flew fixed wings.

Speaker 7 (46:56):
In a helicopter, you can move to a forty five
degree angle of attack with the rotor wing rotordisc but
when you do, you're moving. You can't do that without
moving your helicopter. This thing moved and.

Speaker 6 (47:13):
It was absolutely stable.

Speaker 7 (47:15):
It didn't move a centimeter from where it was over
that floor. So I was watching this, and you know
that just blew my mind. Well, about this time, all
of a sudden, knock, knock. Somebody's at the door and
somebody says, hey, what's going on on in there? Why
is the door locked? Well, this major lips off the

(47:39):
computer and the screen control and.

Speaker 6 (47:44):
He looks at me and says, don't tell anyone I
showed you this.

Speaker 7 (47:48):
Well, like, yeah, I'm going to go tell somebody you
just showed me a flying saucer. Well, anyway, he went
over opened the door, and this lieutenant colonel and I
think two captain And as they're coming in, the lieutenant
colonel said, what were you guys doing in here? And

(48:09):
the major said, Oh, I had this skin thing I
wanted doc to check out. I wasn't sure if it
was cancer. So now all of these guys are looking
at me, and my mind is racing. I really want
to emphasize the fact that there was no degree of
classification indicated on the screen that I saw.

Speaker 6 (48:34):
It did not show where.

Speaker 7 (48:37):
The video originated. It did not show at time mark,
it didn't show anything.

Speaker 6 (48:44):
Now, then, if it had.

Speaker 7 (48:46):
Actually shown a classified marking, I would have had to
report the guy right there, and I would have done that,
but it didn't have anything on the screen to mark classification.
I mean, it's a it's a flying saucer. It's got
to be classified. But it wasn't marked classified. So they're
all looking at me, and I'm thinking, Man, if I

(49:08):
report this guy, I'm going to have to report these
other three guys. I'm gonna have to go to security
and report him. I'm gonna have to go up the
chain of command and reported up their chain of command,
and then I'm going to have to go back to
my colonel back at the hospital and say, Sir, I
just wanted to let you know that I just saw

(49:29):
a flying saucerer and I reported security violation. And then
I knew that all of this would go to the
general who lived across the street from me. So I'm
sitting there thinking, man, I can't say anything. So I
just looked over at the guys and said, the skin

(49:50):
lesion wasn't cancer.

Speaker 6 (49:51):
I gotta go.

Speaker 7 (49:52):
So I got up and left, went and got in
my car, took off and drove back to Patrick Air
Force Base, about thirty minutes.

Speaker 6 (50:01):
South of there.

Speaker 7 (50:01):
And the whole time I'm thinking about what on Earth
am I going to do?

Speaker 6 (50:06):
And so, just like.

Speaker 7 (50:08):
Many of the astronauts, many commercial airliners pilots, many military
pilots who see things like this, you know, it's sort
of a career decision, yea.

Speaker 6 (50:24):
Too to say, oh, I saw a flying saucer.

Speaker 7 (50:29):
So I decided by the time I got back, I'm
not telling anybody. It was fifteen years before I even
told my wife what I had seen. I eventually decided
when I retire, I will tell the story, but I'm
not going to do it before I retire, because as
long as I'm still within the Department of Defense, I

(50:53):
can't really say that I saw a flying saucer. So
April thirtieth of this year, I retired, and on the
fourth of May I did an interview, the first interview,
and began to tell my story.

Speaker 2 (51:08):
Well, you know, if you would have went and reported that,
you know, accents happened, and you could have had an
accent too, if it was like top secret and he
had something that you know, he shouldn't have had. I mean,
it could have been bad for a bunch of people.

Speaker 6 (51:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (51:26):
Well, one time there was a site that I had
been to. I won't mention the name of it because
everything about it was classified. But I had taken my
wife out on the cape and I was showing her
some things, and I said, hey, let's go to this place.
If I can get you in, I really want you

(51:46):
to see what's in here. So it's dark and night
had just settled, and so as I pull in, all
of a sudden, two guys come out with them sixteen
and they came up to the car and said, sir,
what are you doing? And I said, well, I was
just coming out here. To see if I could show

(52:08):
my wife what's inside there. And they said, sir, that
is not authorized. You're going to have to turn your
car around and leave immediately. And so I said, no problem,
I'm out of here. So I turned my car around
and I got out of there, and we got off
the cape real quick. But you know that that was

(52:30):
the kind of stuff that happened. We had all kinds
of classified things on Cape Canaveral because of the Space program,
but we also had some things that were not related
to space. But because the Cape was so large, we
could hide other programs in there and nobody's going to

(52:56):
know about it. The security was so tied on Cape
Canaveral that you had to have a reason to go in.
So they would sometimes have like three star generals that
would drive up to the front gate and say, hey,
you know, I'm General so and so I would like
to come and look around on there, and so the

(53:16):
guard you're sitting there, I'm sorry, sir, you don't have
the clearance or need to know to be on this installation.
You're going to have to back up and turn around.
And the generals had to turn around and leave because
they didn't have clearance to go onto that facility.

Speaker 2 (53:35):
You know what. Our time, yeah, is just went by
so fast. Well, I'd like to get you on here
in September, you know, for part two of this, because
I think there's so many more questions I have for
you and like to get the answers. Now, do you
have a website or anything that you want to share?

Speaker 7 (53:58):
Well, I only have anything personally, but I do want
to say that I'm on the board of Directors for
the International UFO Bureau in Oklahoma City. Now, a lot
of people aren't familiar with the bureau, but Jimmy Carter
had witnessed a UFO and so he had anywhere that

(54:21):
he wanted that he could have filed his report, but
he chose to file his report with the International UFO Bureau.
So that report is still in the bureau, and there's
also a copy of his report in the Jimmy Carter.

Speaker 6 (54:40):
Presidential Library.

Speaker 2 (54:42):
Very interesting, now you will you have so.

Speaker 7 (54:47):
Look up the International UFO Bureau and you'll see what
I'm talking about.

Speaker 2 (54:51):
And the name of the book. Do you have a
name for your book? It's going to be coming out.

Speaker 6 (54:56):
Yes.

Speaker 7 (54:59):
I went out to contacting the Desert, which is a
big UFO thing, and so many people talk to me.
And in fact, I've been on so many of these
interviews that I'm starting loose track of who I spoke
to when. But while I was at the conference, people

(55:22):
kept telling me, you've got to write these stories down.
So when I got back, I said, Okay, I'll write
a UFO book. I'd already written a Space Shuttle book.
But my UFO book is going to be entitled Unraveling
the Mystery. And then everyone who's heard this will know why.

(55:43):
But the subtitle end quotes is we got it from them.
So you know, I can't put it any more straightforward
than that, but we got it from them.

Speaker 6 (55:56):
I saw it. That's what the guy told me. So
that's what the book is going to be named, Great
and it will be out on September twenty second.

Speaker 2 (56:06):
Okay, great, Well again, I want to thank you so
much for coming on.

Speaker 7 (56:10):
Oh I've got lots of stories, Okay, lots of stories.

Speaker 2 (56:13):
Okay, Well, we're gonna have to get you back on okay, Okay,
my friend, you take care, Okay, okay, bye, Well, jac
We're gonna be getting some calls, aren't we, From like
Andrew and a few other people.

Speaker 5 (56:28):
Tonight, we are As a matter of fact, Andrew Beshago
is going to be calling in talking a little bit
about UFOs and maybe his about his appearance coming up
in September, but he's gonna be calling in at five
after the top of the hour.

Speaker 2 (56:42):
Okay, well, let's do our breaks and all that and
pay for the show tonight. By the way, if anybody
wants to buy me a cup of tea that'd helped
support the show. I was gonna go in for surgery
coming up very shortly, but they pushed it out by
two weeks. So we do have a show the first
week of August, and we're gonna have two guests on
that show too, so we'll be right back after this.

Speaker 9 (57:29):
The lightning shows my weakness. The thunder knows my secrets.
The storm is like a brother. It knows me to
like no other.

Speaker 10 (57:39):
So let it rumble, let it roll, because it's all
I know. You can keep your calm and easy, that
peaceful life for me. The harshest girls all out from

(58:01):
the tree like it can stands the rec lessen me.

Speaker 9 (58:07):
And when the cloud frow in, it's like come home again.

Speaker 2 (58:12):
Don't need your.

Speaker 11 (58:13):
Safe and sound let the rain come down. Let the
rain come down, Let the rain come down.

Speaker 9 (58:36):
I see the waters rising with weaves as strong as iron.

Speaker 10 (58:41):
My soul was born for Ronnie.

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both said. They went on to add, not monsters, no clause.
They looked like us, but not exactly. So this reporter

(59:26):
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Speaker 2 (01:02:02):
We are back JC. Think about this et UFO. Why
would our NATHA or the Air Force have a UFO.

Speaker 5 (01:02:16):
Yeah, well, obviously, like he said, they didn't. It goes
to prove they reverse engineered something and that one was
well there you go. It was, however and away just
the way he described it. And I remember, I don't
know if you missed it, but this happened thirty three
years ago. I think when he saw this, was it
like it was yesterday.

Speaker 2 (01:02:34):
Yeah, then again the become more advance they would be
then thirty three years ago. Think about some of these
craft that we're seeing flying around right, could be our own.

Speaker 5 (01:02:48):
Yeah, I've said for years, I personally think ninety percent
of UFOs are our own because listen, our technology in
the military thirty forty years in advance before we ever
take something out. So and that was thirty years ago.
This thing was hovering, it was obviously anti gravity and
that was thirty years ago. And so how far could

(01:03:09):
you have come today?

Speaker 2 (01:03:10):
Well maybe tech TAC was this. Yeah, I think about it.
A bunch of them doing whatever they were doing testing. Hey,
who is called in because we're going to bring him on. Now.
Who is it.

Speaker 5 (01:03:22):
Hey, it's Andrew Bishago, the time traveling lawyer, and he
is always always a pleasure to have one.

Speaker 2 (01:03:29):
Andrew, my friend, it's been a long time since you've
been on. Andrew. Are you there? I am not getting
them again, Andrew? Are you there? No, he's not there. Casey. Well,

(01:03:55):
you know again, if you think about back engineer craft,
the technology that they have that they are suppressing, that
the population. You know again, so many people are seeing
UFOs on a regular basis. This think about how many
do we have, how far advanced they've come in thirty

(01:04:16):
three or forty years, you know, and how big they got?
Is this craft? With our past guest was saying, this
is about twenty feet in diameter. Could it be a
lot more larger than that? Now? I don't know. That's
the interesting part.

Speaker 5 (01:04:31):
Oh yeah, I think they'd be much I think they're
much larger and can probably do things that would just
blow your mind.

Speaker 2 (01:04:37):
Yeah, can do are you there?

Speaker 12 (01:04:40):
Sure?

Speaker 2 (01:04:41):
Okay? How you do?

Speaker 12 (01:04:42):
And it's been a long time, my friend, excellente.

Speaker 2 (01:04:45):
How are you well? I died twice since we talked.

Speaker 12 (01:04:50):
Well, we live forever, so.

Speaker 2 (01:04:53):
Of course you know, I could be in a parallel
universe and not and doing my radio show and everybody
is passed on as it listens to It could be
I don't know. So you've been staying out of trouble, yes, okay,
no time traveling lately.

Speaker 12 (01:05:12):
No, I haven't done that since I was quite young.

Speaker 2 (01:05:15):
So what do you take disclosure? What's going on? Do
you think with all the circumstances that is going around
with the economy, all the thing's going on with Trump,
all the whole thing, and that's going on with our country,
you think they would come out now and give a disclosure.

Speaker 12 (01:05:36):
I'm hoping and praying that he becomes the disclosure president.
I suspect to wait a couple of years. But let
me say I think the deep state has always been
quite concerned with the alience situation. I brought a little
bit of a treat tonight about this. You know, I've
been asked a lot when you were going to Mars,

(01:05:59):
do you have a handler? And I really didn't. We
were mostly handling each other, trying to stay alive on
the surface of Mars. But I was kind of being
shown intel truths or secrets on the margin of my
experience on Earth as I was going to Mars. And

(01:06:20):
one of the sort of handlers on Earth was one
of my usule professors, and his name was doctor Thomas Wortham.

Speaker 13 (01:06:34):
He was the.

Speaker 12 (01:06:36):
Chair of the English department at UCI and he approached
me on the Ucilly campus and he drove his Dolorean
automobile around the corner and waited for me next to
one of the libraries, and then he sped down the

(01:06:56):
San Diego Freeway, which was of course the four h
five from Westwood where Usilly is located, to City of Industry,
much further south. And when we got there, there were
men ripping up like a freeway overpass the jackhammers. It
was probably the noisiest setting I've ever been in. And

(01:07:20):
he gave me something called the jawbone. The jawbone is
a device that's placed behind the ear and you can
hear what your co conversant is saying, and they can
hear you, but people around you cannot hear what you're
talking about. And he put it on me when we

(01:07:41):
arrived there in the City of Industry, and he said, Andy,
the reason I've taken you down here was not only
to show you how a jawbone works. You know, that
was an Intel secret that I was learning as part
of my training from Mars. But he said, we want
you to know that the CIA has concluded that the

(01:08:04):
extraterrestrials might be seeking a complete takeover. So that was
forty four years ago, and I just think that continues
to be hidden. He was basically telling me that our
intel community was concerned that they were going to be
going for a complete takeover.

Speaker 2 (01:08:28):
Very interesting.

Speaker 12 (01:08:32):
Yeah, that was nineteen eighty one. My first trip to
Mars was seven to seven eighty one, so this is probably, oh,
I don't know, maybe October of eighty one. Now, I
don't know why he told me. I mean I was
going to Mars fairly regularly. It was almost part of
my schooling. But that's what he said. He said, we're

(01:08:54):
concerned that they may be going for a complete takeover.

Speaker 2 (01:09:00):
Wow, But what do you think after from that time
to now, what do you think has been evolved? You
have any idea?

Speaker 12 (01:09:11):
I think what's evolved is a secret space program that
has been faked. I think most of the secret space
program is an invention.

Speaker 13 (01:09:25):
Now.

Speaker 12 (01:09:26):
When I did write Obama on seven, twenty, twenty twenty,
he then did admit that there was a Secret Space Program,
but it was but he couldn't talk about it. So
there you have a presidential statement of the existence of
the SSP.

Speaker 2 (01:09:45):
Well, then when Trump came into power, he created a
secret Space or the Space Force. But I've talked to
some people are in it, and from what they say,
nothing's really happening.

Speaker 12 (01:09:59):
We we had from the Secret Space Program a statement
fairly recently that they had Tesla teleportation, So it seems
to be moving along slowly. But I kind of sense
that the president and the Trump administration are kind of
dropping what used to be called limited public hangouts.

Speaker 13 (01:10:20):
But I.

Speaker 12 (01:10:22):
Stand fairly hopeful that he will become the disclosure president.

Speaker 2 (01:10:29):
Well, you know again, I don't know right now if
the population could handle it with what's going on, but
eventually we need to know. And here's the problem I find,
Andrew is euphology. The people are into it are fighting
between themselves like I've never ever seen it. You go
on to all these podcasts, they're spewing just a bunch

(01:10:52):
of garbage in trying to get clickbait to get people
to keep, you know, interested in it. But I think
there's a lot of lying going on right now.

Speaker 12 (01:11:04):
Well, it's always been a problem with uphology, his argument
and dissension.

Speaker 2 (01:11:10):
Oh it is, and this guy, I've never seen it
like it is now. I don't know if you were
listening to the show before you came on, But we
had doctor Gregory rogers On who worked with NASA. He
worked with various astronauts and trained him and even actually
pilot of the submarine and a lot of interesting things.

(01:11:31):
But he said that while he was in NASA as
a flight surgeon for all the astronauts, that was his
main goal, our main job. He was taking an office
and shown a video of a UFO which was about
twenty feet in diameter, but the interesting part had had

(01:11:52):
US Air Force markings on it. But that happened back
thirty three years ago. Think about the technology if that,
if we had back engineered or gifted a UFO from
up above, how far advanced it would be by now?

Speaker 12 (01:12:11):
Well, that's that's a given, is that they are much
more advanced than us.

Speaker 2 (01:12:16):
Well, you know, I'm starting to wonder about TikTok if
that was well, you know.

Speaker 12 (01:12:23):
Our craft, what what craft is that?

Speaker 2 (01:12:30):
I mes tik tac you know or the famous you know,
that could have been our own.

Speaker 12 (01:12:36):
I think sometimes it is and sometimes it isn't. But
the the heavens are very vast.

Speaker 2 (01:12:45):
But what do you think the motives are with ets
with humans? You know, I'm still getting a lot of
people telling me about their abduction stories. Some of them
I don't believe. Some of them I really do believe.
I've had, you know, like the late Calvin Parker on
Terry Lovelace by the way, jay Z, you know, he
wanted to come back on while you've got uh, you know,

(01:13:07):
with their abductions, what do you think is going on?
What would be the purpose of them to continue abducting people?

Speaker 12 (01:13:17):
Well, in my case, I found from the CIA that
they were they wanted to sort of meet and study
the children of as my dad put it, our project people.
So they were always quite nice to me. But I
think it's always been just as our our oceans have,

(01:13:38):
you know, dolphins, sturgeon, and sharks, namely the very good,
the neutral, and the very cruel. I think the same
thing exists in the heavens. It's connected to our our
planet and its oceans, and I think we're going to

(01:14:00):
see the same pattern of very good, neutral and very
bad creatures. And that's why when I ran for president
in twenty sixteen, I called for kind of a subtle
and nuanced ET policy that accounted for that. And I'm

(01:14:21):
very happy to see the Space Force that mister Trump
has started.

Speaker 2 (01:14:28):
But here's the thing. If we are still being visited
and people being abducted, there's no place for these people
that have been abducted to get help. I mean, there's
no help. Hey, I've been an abducted line. I mean,
these people are traumatized to the day they die, and

(01:14:48):
that's horrible.

Speaker 12 (01:14:51):
Yeah, if there are experiences negative, I'm just always quick
to say when they visited me, they were always nice
to me, showed a kind of a higher consciousness. Now,
I think your idea is something that's worthwhile for Space
Force to develop kind of a line to call in

(01:15:11):
and describe what happened to you and where and how
you were treated and by who, and let everybody know
what's happening. See, that's what's really in ped our country
to deal with this is the abuse of official state secrecy,
and we really should get rid of the secrecy and

(01:15:33):
start using communication between fellow human beings to determine exactly
what we're dealing with.

Speaker 2 (01:15:42):
Well, I think the population worldwide needs to know what's
going on, because again, so many people vanished off the
space of the Earth, and I don't think it's from
that or that. It's just some people are going missing
and they never show up again. Maybe they fell off
the cliff, maybe they went out in the woods hiking

(01:16:03):
somewhere and something happened to them. But there's a lot
of people andrew it disappear And then you know, I
used to know a CIA retired agent who showed me,
you know, some pictures which I no longer have, thank god,
I got rid of it of human abductions where it
was mutilations not just with cattle, but with humans too

(01:16:26):
in various parts of this country are and world. And
that's what scares me. I think we're being deceived. What
is actually happening.

Speaker 12 (01:16:37):
Well, I mean, forty four years ago, a CIA employee
at UCLA can tell me that they were concerned that
they were going for a complete takeover. Then imagine what
the state of the art is now.

Speaker 2 (01:16:54):
Do you think they're working on slowly thinning out the
human herd to be set up to be replaced or
you remember the movie back in sixty nine, the Invasion
of the Body Stanchers.

Speaker 12 (01:17:08):
Yes, I was a kid in that era, I was an.

Speaker 2 (01:17:12):
Adult, but yeah, you're lucky. But yeah, go ahead.

Speaker 12 (01:17:17):
No, I think it's all of the above. And I
think we don't give the mystery justice if we don't
account for the fact that some are going to be
very good, some are going to be neutral, and some
are going to be quite scary and malevolent. That the
way the world is. Yeah, yeah, I think I think

(01:17:38):
space is going to mirror what we find on Earth.

Speaker 2 (01:17:42):
But you know, again, there's billions of planets in our
galaxy and this so many people are so naive Andrew,
they think like we're the only intelligent life. There's no
life on any of these planets out there at all, none.
And I feel sorry for people like that because you know,

(01:18:04):
undoubtedly we're not the only kids on the block. There's
other civilizations so far advanced.

Speaker 12 (01:18:13):
Well, there are profound political and economic truths for that. Now.
Courtney Hunt of the CIA, who was one of my
fellow Mars explorers, once stated that the reason why they
were preserving the myth that ours was the only inhabited
planet is that the British monarchy its chief source of

(01:18:34):
income were King James versions of the Bible. So we're
really going to have to have an international movement to
correct this. I mean, I spent years showing that there
was life, current life, not archaeological life, on Mars, and

(01:18:55):
it's still debated. I've kind of gotten tired of the field.

Speaker 2 (01:19:00):
Yeah, now too. How about time travel? Do you think
that has advanced more than from when you were a child?

Speaker 13 (01:19:09):
Oh?

Speaker 12 (01:19:10):
Undoubtedly. It was fifty years ago when I was no
longer in the program.

Speaker 2 (01:19:16):
Do you think that'll ever be available to the general
public where you can go back in time and visit
your family or go forward? Can you go forward in time?

Speaker 12 (01:19:26):
I did, Yes, you can. I don't think that we
can allow mass people on mass timelines to call themselves
in mass time travel, because that would cause mass chaos.
But I could see special museums and libraries where people
would be able to enjoy auspicious scenes from the past.

Speaker 6 (01:19:47):
I did so.

Speaker 12 (01:19:50):
I met with Washington and advised him to retreat his
troops from New York Harbor. Why doesn't everybody have the
opportunity to see Washington and Lincoln and other auspicious people
and events. That's entirely possible with just with just chronavision,
and they wouldn't even have to screw up the original event.

(01:20:12):
They could see it remotely, but it would not be television,
it would be chronavision.

Speaker 2 (01:20:17):
Well, that would be certainly a lot better than going
back physically, because do you realize if they went back physically,
who knows what this world would be?

Speaker 12 (01:20:28):
Right? And there's a people always ask, you know, did
they go back to see how the pyramids were built?

Speaker 13 (01:20:32):
Whatever?

Speaker 12 (01:20:34):
And they didn't, but they did focus on principal individuals
in our uniquely American culture.

Speaker 2 (01:20:43):
Now, when you involved, you know, you saw Lincoln, saw
Washington and actually was able to talk to when you
traveled back in time. Has anybody ever gone back to Jesus?

Speaker 12 (01:20:58):
Yes, my dad's team san Dia recovered images of Jesus'
ministry and crucifixion, which I was allowed to see in
about a twenty to thirty minute film clip. But then
he was amazingly said that they also had scenes of
the resurrection. So people can choose to believe that or

(01:21:23):
assume that I'm proselytizing, but I'm not. I'm telling what happened.
My whole truth campaign about time travel in Mars has
been just that. I'm just telling the truth. Like Mark
Twain said, always tell the truth that way, you you
don't have to remember anything.

Speaker 2 (01:21:38):
How has people treated you, you know, with your claim
of going back in time and forward in time and
some of the other stuff. Have you been mistreated by anybody,
the groups? Their government?

Speaker 13 (01:21:52):
Well?

Speaker 12 (01:21:52):
Originally I was told by government that if I continue
to investigate, write about her or talk about the time
travel devices I was exposed to in Pegasus when I
was a kid, that they the Bush White House, the
White House of George W. Bush, couldn't guarantee my survival.

(01:22:14):
So that was either a threat or a warning. But
they put me in a position where I had to
talk because I didn't want to not talk and have
an excuse for them to kill me.

Speaker 2 (01:22:26):
Yeah, that's the scary part too, because what you just said,
if they said it that way, that was kind of
a threat, like something would happen to you.

Speaker 12 (01:22:34):
Right, And that was Oh God, that was in three
and my dad had asked me in nineteen eighty nine
to tell the story. So I decided that I had
to honor my father.

Speaker 6 (01:22:49):
And I did.

Speaker 2 (01:22:53):
This is interesting. If you could go in time travel again.
Would you want to see what the future would been
be like for the next twenty years or if we're
going to actually have a future, that.

Speaker 12 (01:23:09):
Would be an interesting trip to go on. I mean,
we have the technology.

Speaker 2 (01:23:15):
Yeah, I don't know if I would want to know.
You know, in the UFO community, they're saying twenty six
twenty seven, something bad supposed to happen, but nobody knows
what that bad supposed to be. Have you heard about that?

Speaker 12 (01:23:30):
No? I hear this every once in a while, and
I think a combination of bad and good is part
of life.

Speaker 2 (01:23:40):
Well, I think they're implying that ets are going to
come and populate their earth.

Speaker 12 (01:23:47):
Yeah, I think that's what they were looking at when
doctor Wortham said that to me, And yet it hasn't
happened since then forty four years.

Speaker 2 (01:23:58):
Well, you know again, you know time, and tell me
if I'm right or wrong. If you're on a different planet,
time is going to be different than time here, and
then you would maybe age different too, because you know,
on a different planet, So a year here could be

(01:24:18):
well like a month to them, or a week to them,
or ten years to them. Am I right?

Speaker 12 (01:24:27):
I'm not really sure of that. Clearly, the the human
residence of Mars was different than Earth, and that took
some adjustment to and as a result, we've got a
lot of hypoxia. I had tunnel vision on the surface
a lot. So there are definitely time related effects that

(01:24:50):
differ from what happens on Earth.

Speaker 2 (01:24:53):
Yeah, well, Andrew, I want to take a big thank
you for calling in here tonight. Now, I'm I'm going
to be off here at least three weeks in August,
and then I hear you're going to be on in September.
Am I right?

Speaker 6 (01:25:08):
Right?

Speaker 12 (01:25:08):
On my birthday September eighteenth. Now that's an example what
I just mentioned. I'm going to be sixty four historically
when you look at my time of birth and my birthday.

Speaker 13 (01:25:25):
And so forth.

Speaker 12 (01:25:26):
But in fact, because I went for what I call
my four Hidden Summers in New Mexico, I spent summers
there and then when I came back, I arrived back
in New Jersey about fifteen minutes before I originally left.
So the elapse time I'm going to celebrate on September

(01:25:49):
eighteenth is going to be sixty five years. But every
calculation of my birthday, you know, for legal purposes and
so forth is I'm going to be sixty four in September.

Speaker 13 (01:26:02):
Attend.

Speaker 12 (01:26:03):
That's true of all chrononauts. All chrononauts recover more a
lapse time when they then returned to where they started
and calculate how old they are.

Speaker 2 (01:26:18):
That's really confusing. Hey, Andrew, I want you to have
a great weekend. I got to let you go and
you know, plan on two hours of conversation in September.

Speaker 12 (01:26:28):
Okay, you've got it, Jerry.

Speaker 2 (01:26:32):
Okay, my friend, you stay out of trouble, will you?
I will, Okay, you take care?

Speaker 12 (01:26:37):
Bye bye.

Speaker 2 (01:26:38):
Well, JC. We got some other guests, don't we.

Speaker 5 (01:26:42):
We have more guests coming up. Mister Mark D'Antonio is
going to be calling in at about five minutes after
the bottom of the hour.

Speaker 2 (01:26:50):
Yeah, so we got a lot of things going on.
I hope you like the format, because if you like
this format, coming back in September, when we're back, we
might start doing this, Jacy. We bring on our main
guests and bring in one or two other guests and
you know, and go for about a two hour show
and just have fun. What do you think of that?

Speaker 5 (01:27:11):
Yeah, listen, look at the all star lineup we've got tonight.
I think it's pretty spectacular myself.

Speaker 2 (01:27:17):
Well, Art is out there, my friend, he's going to
be calling in telling us about his uful experience right
after nine. And then Rory out there again. Thank you
for the donation that really helps pay the light bills.
People don't realize it costs thousands of dollars for us
to put this show on a month and then we

(01:27:38):
have Barb and we had a lot of people off
and on tonight.

Speaker 5 (01:27:44):
Oh yeah, there's been a lot of people tuning in.
Of course we've gone a little bit something for everybody.

Speaker 2 (01:27:50):
Okay, we're going to do a break and then we'll
be back with Mark. So it's going to be a
great show. So they don't go anywhere. We went for.

Speaker 14 (01:28:14):
Each other like a bullet from a gun, faster than
the Sheriff's drawing, harder.

Speaker 2 (01:28:22):
Than the sun. Then it see it coming. Lately, I've
been on the run.

Speaker 14 (01:28:29):
You know you've seen my face before, soul.

Speaker 2 (01:28:32):
Let me tell you so.

Speaker 15 (01:28:34):
Darling, you fealing out with the famous man, seeing my
pictures posted everywhere across the land. If you run with me,
you've got to run, understand to gold.

Speaker 14 (01:28:54):
Then you do your fan boning.

Speaker 4 (01:28:59):
Just you own me.

Speaker 10 (01:29:02):
This baby own it?

Speaker 2 (01:29:05):
Do you still own me?

Speaker 14 (01:29:08):
I got a bag of money, honey in and don't
be alone to me looking from a man that had
it come and so you know it wasn't a freeze
old this week than western nothing. Take our horses ease,
and if we run in the Indias truckle, we'll leave
him in.

Speaker 10 (01:29:28):
The Crimson Street.

Speaker 3 (01:29:30):
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Speaker 15 (01:29:31):
Leave telling love with the famst man seeing.

Speaker 2 (01:29:36):
My pictures posted.

Speaker 15 (01:29:38):
Everywhere across the land. And if you run with me,
you got to run, understand to hold and.

Speaker 3 (01:29:50):
A dangerous stand won it.

Speaker 2 (01:29:55):
But you still own me?

Speaker 14 (01:29:58):
It's baby owning?

Speaker 2 (01:30:01):
Do you still own me? Would you live where they is?

Speaker 10 (01:30:05):
If they bound me?

Speaker 14 (01:30:07):
Would you turn me in for the bounty? Votures are
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Speaker 12 (01:34:49):
I am hello, How.

Speaker 2 (01:34:51):
How are you doing? It's been a long time since
we talked.

Speaker 13 (01:34:54):
My friend, it's so good to be back here.

Speaker 2 (01:34:58):
Well, I'm I'll live. I died twice since we talked.

Speaker 13 (01:35:03):
Oh wow, that's all, mich What are you talking about.

Speaker 2 (01:35:06):
Well, I had like a heart attack in December and
died twice, and I don't want to die a third time.

Speaker 13 (01:35:14):
No, no, I went through that once myself. And well,
it was a heck of an experience. I got to
tell you, I saw all kinds of things I can't
explain during that time.

Speaker 2 (01:35:23):
You mean when you were dead, Yeah, I mean.

Speaker 13 (01:35:26):
Well when they were trying to restart my heart. I
should say I didn't have a heart attack. I had
had a surgery that went sideways and ended up in
a coma for a week afterwards. But man alive. I
had one heck of an experience that was kind of
life changing. So I kind of I feel you, man,
I understand what it was like.

Speaker 2 (01:35:45):
Well, you know, everybody says, you know, like John Lear
used to tell my friend Art Bell, don't go to
the light, it's a trick go through the darkness, and
Art was always it bothered him to the probably the
day he died. It really messed with his mind. And
I tell you when I died, I didn't see the tunnel.

(01:36:08):
I didn't see the bright lights. I didn't see loved ones,
but I saw darkness. But I felt fantastic and I
thought I was I felt like it was part of
the universe and connected to the universe. That's what I
went through.

Speaker 13 (01:36:25):
Wow, Well, maybe you uh, maybe you didn't go far enough.
And I'm kind of glad you didn't because i'd be
talking to myself right now.

Speaker 6 (01:36:34):
Well you might be.

Speaker 2 (01:36:35):
I might not be here, not a figment of your imagination.
What do you think? Okay, here's what I really am
frustrated right now. You know, if you go listen to
people on TikTok, if you go listen to a lot
of podcasts that you know, cater to ufology, Yeah, they're
like they're they're saying garbage out there, like stuff. It's

(01:36:59):
totally unbelievable. I don't know if they're doing it to
get clickbait for clickbait or what is going on with it,
And everybody's slamming everybody.

Speaker 13 (01:37:09):
Yeah, you know, I'm you know me very well. I'm
a big purveyor of the truth. And if I say
something and it turns out to be false, I own
up to it, because life's too short, as we both
have known and found out, to sit there and posture
about you know, what we think we know and then

(01:37:30):
go to the wall with fake stuff, you know. So
for example, I saw this photograph of the UFO with
a shadow on the ground, and they said, oh, it's
near four corners, And it was actually being touted by
by Lou you know, it was running around with it,
showing it at a conference, I guess. And it didn't
take me long at all that discovered that those are

(01:37:51):
actually two adjacent crop circles in a field in Colorado.
I found the exact location, found the latitude and longitude,
and I actually had a photograph of it, you know
kind of thing. So stuff like that. It might appear real,
but you got to go to that little extra step
to kind of prove it and to make sure your
data is in line with reality, you know, And in

(01:38:14):
this case it wasn't. And I felt bad, you know,
But looks reality's reality, and the data has to stand
on the zone and that particular thing, didn't you know
what I mean?

Speaker 2 (01:38:25):
Yeah, did you listen to the show prior before coming on?
By any chance?

Speaker 13 (01:38:30):
No, I was actually working on a Navy project, and
I just shut down for the night to commit and
talked to you.

Speaker 2 (01:38:36):
Well, we had doctor Gregory Rogers on who was the
flight Yeah.

Speaker 13 (01:38:41):
Yeah, yeah, he's a good guy.

Speaker 2 (01:38:43):
Yeah, and really believable on what everything he said. And
we learned a lot about you know, astronauts and all
kinds of stuff. But you know, he was talking about
he saw somebody in NASA like he knew, got him
in a room. They locked the door, pulled the blinds down,
and showed them some videotapes the valiance tape of a hangar.

(01:39:08):
And in that hangar there was a UFO. It was levitating,
moving and it was about twenty feet in diameter, and
it had US Air Force markings on it. And that
was thirty three years ago.

Speaker 13 (01:39:22):
Maybe some reverse engineer stuff. Huh.

Speaker 2 (01:39:25):
Well, the guy who showed it all to him, you know,
the Gregory asked him. I said, I said to him,
he goes, you know, where did it come from? And
the guy said, and he used the son pointing up
in the towards the sky up there.

Speaker 13 (01:39:39):
Yeah, it could have been reverse engineering. I don't doubt
that some of that stuff happening, because you know, one
of my most I guess sought after lectures that I
do around the country is one on this interdimensional travel.
And you know, as an astronomer, I carefully explore the possibilities,

(01:40:03):
and one of the possibilities I've discovered is that it's
very likely that alien beings have defeated the light speed
barrier which in our four dimensions X, Y, Z move
into time. You know, we have the speed of light
as a barrier. We can't go past that. You know,
Einstein was right about that, and there is a barrier.

(01:40:23):
You know, that speed of light seven times around the
euros on a second. If you can make it happen
a little over, is still too slow to get to
the nearest stars. It would still take four years at
light speed to get to the nearest star. Four years. Now,
what if I told you there's a way to do
it in like twenty minutes. Now, this is possible if

(01:40:45):
we use interdimensional travel by leaving our four dimensions, you
pop out of the one your four dimensional location, your X, Y,
and Z at a certain point in time, and go
into a fifth dimension and then pop into a new
location after that without traveling a distance between those two points.
You actually pop out of one go into this fIF

(01:41:06):
dimension and pop in at a new location, new entry point,
so you pop out and then pop in and this
has been a very popul I'm doing this lecture tomorrow
actually as well at another location here. So this technology
is something that's kind of been around for a while. However,
you need to understand it. Thurn at the Large Hadron

(01:41:28):
Collider is researching the very particles that make this possible,
and this is like the first time ever and they
have a detector on their hadron collider called the Atlas
at Las and one of its missions is to study
these particular particles called Kaluziic line particles, and these particles

(01:41:51):
are possibly a key how gravity works. And we can
look at the particles as a possibility if we can
harness what they can do, all right, then those particles
will assist us in going into this fifth dimension and
then coming back out at a new location. So we
wouldn't be violating any physics. We would actually be just

(01:42:14):
avoiding certain physics, like we can't break the speed of
light in our four dimensions, Well what if we leave
and come back think at another location, we haven't violated
the speed of light, And that's so cool.

Speaker 2 (01:42:27):
It really is. You know, when we have Mitchyakock, who
on back two years ago he said, we were so
we are so close to cracking the fifty mansion where
parallel universe could exist and all this type of space
travel would go leaps and bounds.

Speaker 13 (01:42:46):
Yeah, everybody, everybody in the industry is now going to
AVI lob. You know. I've done stuff with Abby on programs,
television programs, and even Abby said this past year that
he thinks that aliens could possible we travel interdimensionally. So
it's a new look at an old topic that's been

(01:43:06):
around since the twenties. Believe it in the nineteen twenties,
you know, but it's because we didn't have the technology
to really pursue it. Further, it was shell, just like
the Alcubier drive, a shell because we couldn't possibly get
the kind of energy required to you know, make a
warp bubble around our ship kind of a thing. And

(01:43:29):
even that that process, which still happens effectively within our
four dimensions, would still be too slow to get us
to Alpha Centauri or other stars halfway across the galaxy.
But this punch out punch in technology, this is the
way to go.

Speaker 2 (01:43:45):
It sounds like it. Now, tell me if I'm wrong.
The galaxy consists of millions of planets, and out of
those millions of planets, if you think rationally, it could
be life out there more advanced than us.

Speaker 13 (01:44:00):
Yeah, you know, I think of it as a sliding
window of development. You know, look at our planet. We
had five major extinction events on our planet growing up,
so to speak. And when those five major extinction events
occurred for whatever reasons, biodiversity failures, the asteroid impacts, whatever,
it kind of resets the clock to zero effectively for

(01:44:21):
many species and for us. Now, what if we didn't
have those five major extinction events, we'd be much further along, right,
And that's just here. Now, imagine there's another location in
the galaxy. And by the way, in reworking the Drake equations,
the numbers come out to as low as twenty five

(01:44:42):
million other earths in our galaxy, that's the low low
low end, and as high as forty billion other habitable
world in our galaxy alone. And by the way, there's
about two twillion other galaxies. So is it a foregone
con inclusion that there's life in the universe? Probably?

Speaker 2 (01:45:03):
Yes?

Speaker 13 (01:45:04):
Is it a another foregone conclusion that they've reached intellect
and intelligence. No, that's a journey. It's not a guaranteed endpoint. However,
if we're here, then we're already showing a statistical anomaly
in the universe that, hey, we can have intelligent life
on Europe. Therefore we can have intelligent life elsewhere and

(01:45:26):
most likely still be here because I'll tell you right now,
they're probably carbon based. I've said up before, I'm a
carbon bigot, but carbon is the only atom in the
entire periodic table that everyone hates. Here, okay, that can
support all the bonding and making and breaking a bond

(01:45:47):
to carry out organic processes for life. It's the only one.
And right below it in the periodic table. People say,
what about silicon based work. It can't You're actually right.
Silicon is too robust. It makes beautiful bonds that don't
like to be broken. And I always joke with people,
next time we go to the beach, tell people that

(01:46:08):
they're walking on mostly gas. What, Yeah, they're walking on
mostly gas silicon dioxide. One silicon atom and two oxygen
atoms make up a grain of sand. Okay, it's a
it's a molecule of sand effectively so. But the thing
being what I mean by that is those that those
atoms are extremely hard to separate and silicon silicon bonds

(01:46:32):
make tend to make crystals and they're very, very robust,
you know. But carbon, on the other hand, as we're speaking,
there's tens of thousands or more bonds being made and
broken in your body right now is we speak, and
the same with me. Carbon is easy to work with
for the universe. It allows making and breaking of bonds

(01:46:54):
so much so that it supports the tremendous variation for
all the functions required by what we call life.

Speaker 2 (01:47:02):
I agree with you. Now my question to you, Mark
is you know what do you think these EPs would
look like? Hmm?

Speaker 13 (01:47:12):
That is the best question I often often asked I
And I'll tell you what. It depends on. It depends
on many things. But I will say that if you
look at life on Earth, Okay, every single life form
on our planet has some form of symmetry or bilaterally symmetric.
Same anolestas on the right. Okay, we have tulips which

(01:47:33):
are radial symmetric, creation plants okay, starfish are five sided symmetry.
But they're bilateral symmetric when they're born. About that, then
they turn into this pentamerism where they're five sides. Now,
if we look at the universe, that tells me that
symmetry is a template, all right, that's basically created by

(01:47:57):
planets where life is supported. It's not just here, guarantee.
Because of the hundreds of millions of life forms that
have come and go on our planet, every single one
of them exhibited some form of symmetry. So symmetry, to
me is a universal template. So that means the alien
beings will be symmetry and symmetry. Now, every single creature

(01:48:19):
on this planet, save a few deep in caves, developed
some form of light gathering mechanisms, eyeballs of some kind,
all right. Every single creature of in some way has
eyes for the most part, So I would say that's
a template, and therefore aliens will have eyes of some kind.

(01:48:41):
Aftery're made of carbon, then carbon life forms can take
on have four legs through legs like us. You know,
they can be eight legged creatures. They can again, so
there's a variation that's crazy. However, bilateral symmetry and bipedalism

(01:49:02):
all right, may lead to intelligent life because it did
on our planet all.

Speaker 2 (01:49:07):
Right again, but you know, how can I say this
could do we have aliens and more intelligent in us?
Did it look like my dog? Or can they look
like a giant grasshopper?

Speaker 13 (01:49:21):
And you know what if it was maybe twenty years ago,
I say, that's silly. That's kind of a what a
crazy thing is. However, as I've kind of matured with
the I mean my you know, in astronomy one of
my great loves, and pexo planets and exo biology, you know,

(01:49:41):
the biology that potentially exists in other world And so
depending on the environmental pressure and the ecological niche makeup
where these creatures live on their planet, well you know,
they could develop a level of intelligence that takes full
advantage their niche, right, but makes them the intelligence of

(01:50:05):
an ant. However, they could also likewise be animals that
look like a cricket but develop more intelligence than crickets
on our planet. So it can go all over the spectrum, geary,
all over the spectrum. And I like, for instance, dolphins,
why don't dolphins that have a bigger brain than us,

(01:50:26):
why didn't they evolve? You know, physics? Why didn't they
evolve other other capabilities. How come they don't drive in
in underwater submarines. Well, the answer is because in their
niche they achieved the requisite level of intelligence to successfully

(01:50:47):
navigate that niche and make it work for them, So
they don't. They don't need to go any further. So
there's no environmental pressure to make them go any further.

Speaker 14 (01:50:55):
Right.

Speaker 13 (01:50:56):
In addition, so you know, creatures can exist if we
had if we go as as say a planet that's
around and say a red dwarf star. When these small
I call them the percolators of the universe, they just
they live trillions of years, okay, and they're sometimes only
a little bigger than the planet Jupiter, right, and they

(01:51:18):
have planets so close that the planets are tidally locked
to the star. Like the Moon is locked of the Earth.
If you see the same side of the Moon all
months long, okay, and it's kind of rotating on its
axis one time as it goes around the Earth. Well,
same with these planets going around these the dim stars.
They rotate once every time you go around the star.

(01:51:39):
And the amount of time they take to go around
the star, it could be anywhere from two days to
fifteen or twenty days or more. So their year at
most can be twenty twenty days. So it's you know,
these planets with this tidal locking give rise to another
type of potential life for these aliens. And what would

(01:51:59):
that be. Well, if they're on the sunny side, well
they're gonna bake in the sun, okay, and evolutionarily that
might be bad for them because these little red stars
give off a lot of ultra violet energy and that
could be damaging to biological, you know, carbon based creatures.
So maybe at the that's the permanent daytime side, But

(01:52:20):
how about on the sun sunrise, sun sunrise, sunset side, Right,
they're going to have an area where it's always sunset. Well,
you're still going to get solar radiation there. So in
all likelihoods, creatures that develop on wolves like this might
develop on the dark side, Gerry. And if they develop
on the dark side, well we see what happens to

(01:52:41):
creatures that develop in the dark on our planet. Have
you noticed their color?

Speaker 2 (01:52:46):
Yeah?

Speaker 13 (01:52:46):
Grayish white, Yeah, they're grayish white, you know. And for
those that do have eyes, their eyes tend to have
the ability to see in different wavelengths and they can
actually get data from the small amounts of light. We
see this in the deep ocean as well, okay, so
you know, and they use different mechanisms to attract mates

(01:53:08):
and different mechanisms for catching food, and it all depends
on what the niche requires you to do to survive.
So if you develop on the dark side of your
planet as an alien being, in your bipedal like us,
you're made of carbon, okay, in your core basically, well,
then your eyes might be very very large to acquire

(01:53:29):
more light. You might be grayish skin because you wouldn't
need pigment because you're always in the dark, so pigment
wouldn't be something that would be naturally selected as something
to use to survive. And to me, that says gray
alien all over it. So maybe that's where they come from,

(01:53:51):
Is the dark side of these planets that are tightly
locked around small red dwarf stars.

Speaker 2 (01:53:57):
That's a possibility. Now, we only got about four minutes
with you, four and a half minutes. Anything we you know,
we've been hearing about asteroids. Is there anything we should
be alarmed about coming towards the Earth in the next
five years, ten years?

Speaker 13 (01:54:12):
Now, there's there's no asteroids. You know there. You know,
people like to talk about apophas and all that Apopthus
isn't gonna hit you know, we're safe with that. I
will say this about certain asteroids. There are certain asteroids
benue out. There'll be e n inu okay. And the
asteroids seem to be rubble piles held together by their

(01:54:32):
mutual gravity. Now what that means is if they go
to into the gravitational field of say a larger planet
like the Earth, they might just get shredded into billions
of tiny little fragments and be nothing burgers when they
actually hit the Earth. Other than a major light show.
We don't know, okay. But the fact is, there are

(01:54:54):
no asteroids now on what's called the Sentry List that
pose a danger to at the moment. And most of
the things that go on the Centry list that list,
monitored by many telescopes around the world that put potentially
new asteroids right go on the list until they can
figure out their orbits and decide, oh, yep, that's not

(01:55:14):
going to hit us, and they take it off the list. Well,
for the ones that are on the list, there are
none right now that look like they're going to hit us.
The nearest one potentially could be one hundred years, but
even that one may still not be a strong possibility
of hitting us. So there we don't have to worry

(01:55:35):
about asteroids in the lifetime of us or our children.

Speaker 2 (01:55:41):
That makes me bragg and sleep tonight. Now, Mark, do
you have Do you want to share your website and
what you do with your telescope real quick?

Speaker 5 (01:55:50):
Oh?

Speaker 13 (01:55:50):
Sure?

Speaker 12 (01:55:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 13 (01:55:51):
I started a nonprofit Gary. It's called sky Tour live Stream,
and I feel that it's very important to share a
strong with the world. And I think that when people
look up, they just see lights in the sky from cities.
They don't see the stars anymore. So I put two
observatories out in the Arizona Desert and two places two

(01:56:12):
hundred and twenty miles apart from each other, and on
clear nights, we open them both up and we show
them wide angle views of gorgeous nebulae in the night
sky and close up shots of star clusters and galaxies
and skyter livestream has been going for a number of
years now. We just became a nonprofit recently, and you know,

(01:56:34):
we basically show the universe live in real time. That's
what we do. And then on top of it. After
we take these beautiful pictures that everyone watches happen right
before their eyes. And of course as an astronomer, I
tell people what we're looking at, give them clues as
to what they're seeing. And then the pictures that we
take I give to them for free and they can

(01:56:55):
go up to our skyshourlive dot org website and download
them for free. Great. So we make it everything available
to everybody. You know, it's no charge. If they want
to support us, they can. We have a Patreon they
can donate if they wish. We are at five o'h
one c three nonprofit. I don't take pay for this,

(01:57:16):
it's just it's just passion.

Speaker 2 (01:57:20):
Yeah, and it pays off too, because you accomplished a
lot with it. Well, hey, Mark, I will have my
producer get a hold of you and try. We're booked up,
I know, in September, and I would like to get
you on in October if we can for about.

Speaker 13 (01:57:34):
Two absolutely, that'll be fun.

Speaker 2 (01:57:36):
Okay, my friend, you have a great weekend, and I
want to thank you for coming on Garry.

Speaker 13 (01:57:40):
It's been great. I'm so glad you had me back
on time. I'm glad you're doing well.

Speaker 2 (01:57:45):
Okay, well, thank you my friend.

Speaker 13 (01:57:48):
All right, you can see you later and then tell
your producer and thank you for having.

Speaker 2 (01:57:53):
Me on as well. Okay, you take care, thanks Garry.
All right, well GC, we're going to be taking a
call here very shortly from Art to tell us about
his experiences.

Speaker 5 (01:58:07):
Yeah, that ought to be something I know. He's got a.

Speaker 2 (01:58:09):
Couple, a couple, weather couple, runneth over.

Speaker 5 (01:58:14):
Yeah, he's been through some stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:58:17):
Yeah. Well what do you think of the show here tonight, Jacy?

Speaker 5 (01:58:21):
It's a pretty good show. It's got the lineup of
what Murderers Road within twenty seven Yankees, we've got Rufe
and Gary and Skarling and Mantel and Demadio. But tonight
we've got d'An antonio, we have Shago and Rogers.

Speaker 2 (01:58:37):
Yeah, a really good lineup. Now again, if people are
wondering why we're have ted on from the Sea House
Flight Museum, our computer crash just right when we were
going on the air. I had to reboot the computer
and automatically the software I use anytime I reboot it,
if I don't go clear it, it goes back to

(01:58:57):
the day before or the last show. In that case,
it went back to the last show, and it was
no way if I wanted to not be late coming
on the air, I had to live with it. I'm
going to change that right after the show is over with,
so I can go through and make those changes for
this that. You know, A couple of people have messaged
me on Messenger, Hey, you know I missed your show.

(01:59:21):
I didn't realize you had doctor gregoryan and you know,
I apologize, but things happened in broadcasting.

Speaker 5 (01:59:30):
Yeah. When the computer does that, it defaults back to
the previous show. But there's some good thing about the YouTube.
If you don't catch it lives. It's there for right.

Speaker 2 (01:59:40):
After the world. Don't forget. We get the most listeners
about a day or two after the show airs because worldwide,
you know, we're appuginywhere from twenty to seventy thousand views
per episode. That's better than a lot of shows.

Speaker 5 (01:59:57):
Actually a lot of them are way over that. But yeah, yes,
we are worldwide. So hey, don't don't sweat if you
missed the live one. It'll be there whenever you want
to go and listen.

Speaker 2 (02:00:07):
Yeah, do you got anything planned this weekend?

Speaker 5 (02:00:10):
This weekend, I am going if it doesn't rain, I'm
going to catch me in a couple of big bass
have a barbecue and uh, I don't know, maybe going on.
You know what, I might do a little bigfoot I'm
not thinking about.

Speaker 2 (02:00:23):
Well, if you do it, I telled you how to
do it. You know, ghost smeared peanut butter and jam
on your T shirt before you go out looking for bigfoot. Seriously,
I know, I know that'll attrack them to you. Now.
I don't know what to do after that. But you
might have a new buddy.

Speaker 5 (02:00:45):
Yeah, Nuttyboddy, nutnybody, yes or not?

Speaker 2 (02:00:49):
Just that you might find yourself married to a female bigfoot.

Speaker 5 (02:00:54):
Yeah, I'm going to pass on that one, but I will.
I can do some fishing and big all at the
same time in one spot.

Speaker 2 (02:01:02):
You have you noticed the bigfoot reports that really dried
up because of what's going on with ufology.

Speaker 5 (02:01:09):
It's always seems like it's always like that. It's one
thing spikes and everybody sways the one way and sways
the other. But I gotta tell you something. In the
little triangle corner of the three states Pennsylvania, West Virginia, Ohio,
there's a lot of UFO bigfoot sightings that are overlapping.
It's kind of peculiar.

Speaker 2 (02:01:30):
Actually, yeah, But you know, I'm more confused now than
I've ever been with ufology because all the garbage is circulating. God,
go on TikTok people and listen to these people spewel whatever,
and you know, and everything is real now, you know,
doctor Greer, this spear thing, it looks to me like
you took to well, something you'd use in the kitchen

(02:01:53):
as a chef, and put them to a bakery chef.
I think that you put them together. It holes around
the side and fiber optics in it. Again, unless the ets,
why would they have fiber optics, which is already from
the seventies than when we had it, or actually the sixties.

(02:02:14):
Why would they if they're so advanced they get here
from another galaxy, why would they be using fiber optics
that don't make logical sense? And why would they use
the llumin which you know how they would have to
come into our atmosphere so slow not to have it
melt because you know, the melting temperature lumin is very low.

Speaker 5 (02:02:38):
Well yeah, compared to coming through the atmosphere.

Speaker 2 (02:02:41):
Yeah, I would think it wouldn't even make it and
make it as liquid.

Speaker 5 (02:02:47):
But then against the physics of some of these crafts,
allegedly it doesn't you know, the atmosphere, there's like.

Speaker 2 (02:02:53):
Yeah, but this is what they have done. Have you
read the report on it that has been released tily
hollow with some type of circuit board, isn't it with
a array of fiber optics, which they're saying, Oh, that's
to like for cameras. That just doesn't make sense to me. Okay,

(02:03:14):
we have art here art. How are you doing this
Friday night at nine o six pm.

Speaker 16 (02:03:22):
With great show?

Speaker 6 (02:03:23):
Gary?

Speaker 13 (02:03:24):
Oh man, I love it. I love it. And every
caller that you had all said again a synchronicity of
words that in this kind of field that I use
with others and resonate with it, and you know, it's
just it's and I like the when the caller said,
your guest speaker said, we're forever, you know, we are

(02:03:46):
spirit tight, We're forever. And so it resonates with things
that some of us feel. Some people think we die
and that's it. We just go down down the drain,
We just go in the dirt. But I don't know, yeah, yeah,
you know, And there's so many there's so many things
that are here on this earth. That's what I wanted
to really relate to everybody that there's there's you know,

(02:04:09):
we got shadow people go different kinds of textures of
them there there, and we have anomalies.

Speaker 2 (02:04:16):
We can ask you a question, are you talked about
shadow people? I had an experience when I was about
eight years old of a shadow person and it's scared
that you know what out of me? And now I'll
tell you if i I jac always makes fun of me,
I go underneath the bed when I get scared. Well,
I got too big to go under the bed nowadays.

Speaker 13 (02:04:37):
But well, can you describe it? Gary? Can you describe
what it looked like?

Speaker 2 (02:04:41):
Well, oh, well I can, but I'm going to backtrack.
I was eight years old. My parents lived in Seattle.
They farmed me down to Oakland, California for the summers
at my dad's brother's place, and my grandmother and my brother.
My grandmother and now we're going and back years ago,
because I'm going on seventy four. She was living in

(02:05:04):
the building that was building the eighteen sixties, so you know,
eighteen seventies, it was old. And in their bedroom she
had like a closet where the bed pulled down which
had a light in the closet, and she let me
sleep in that room and there was that little dim
light in the closet. So I'm in bed. It's kind

(02:05:26):
of scary. You know, you're in the area. You don't
know you're in this big room. You know, it looks antique,
And all of a sudden, I just was looking at
the wall and there's a shadow, humanoid, black shadow. It
was going from the closet all the way around the room,

(02:05:52):
and then before it went in the closet, it stopped
and stared at me and went into the closet.

Speaker 13 (02:06:01):
So it looked at you, and you you guys skip. Oh,
I had a connection.

Speaker 2 (02:06:05):
I peed in her bed and then that that that morning,
I called my dad and said I can't stay here.
And I even confronted my at eight years old, I'm
not that smart about what I saw.

Speaker 6 (02:06:18):
You know.

Speaker 2 (02:06:18):
I thought it was some type of monster. And my
grandmother said, oh, that he won't hurt you. And she
kept saying he won't hurt you. But you know, when
you're eight years old and you see something walk go
around and it couldn't have been a shadow from the
lights because the way it was it was, you know,
it was just the light. The only light lighting that
room up was that small bulb in the you know,

(02:06:42):
walking closet. That's then.

Speaker 13 (02:06:45):
Yeah, the one the one I saw was and I
called Art Bell on that one was, Uh, this guy
looked like the silver Surfer in the comic magazines, but
this guy was more. He had like a He looked
more arab Anglo shaped features, no hair, he had no genitals.

(02:07:06):
Was it was you could see his muscles, You could
see his fingernail, all the little you know, the wrinkles
on the hands and all that the muscle. And he
was about six foot lean, and he walked three feet
into my room for my hallway, and my TV was on,
and he looked at my TV and he put his

(02:07:27):
hands on his side, like, oh interesting. My girlfriend was
reading a book and my room was just lit up,
and I'm just laying there looking at it about forty
five seconds before she pulled her book down. But it
looked like it was curious of the TV. And then
when she made a sigh sound, it turned around and
looked at us, got scared, put its arms in the air,

(02:07:48):
ran out, and I told that to Art Bell, and
you know, I love the guy because he just said,
I believe you. And then my second one was here
where I'm living today. It was a young girl and
she had a dress on. She had long hair ponytails,
and I was walking out my elevator out to the
front lobby and next to one of the doors before

(02:08:08):
the lobby, I'm walking right there and there's I almost
hit her in the shoulder, so I turned my shoulder
and I lost my balance and I hit the wall
after her, and then I felt so embarrassed, and I'm
walking out towards the door and she giggles, And when
she giggles, I'm like, oh, and I want to turn
around and say, you know, like I'm sorry, but I

(02:08:29):
just kept on going. And the strange things and a
lot of stuff. When people see things they can't wonder
why they can't turn or they don't how do you say,
they walk away or they've moved away, and they don't know.
I don't know what causes that, but but in any
which way, every single thing that I've seen seems to

(02:08:50):
know you're there. So the orbs and the UFOs, everyone
that I've seen it. And again in Orange County, you know,
we had al Toro Marine Base, Helicopter Base Irvine they
call it. And you have, uh, the Catalina you got,
Malibu you got. I'm looking towards where I'm living now

(02:09:10):
I've been here five years. I'm looking towards San Pedro,
Long Beach. Long Beach gets a lot of activity from
people videotaping, a lot of what.

Speaker 2 (02:09:19):
Now I'm here, Art, I'm going to jump into the listeners.
Art has sent me videos that he's taken off of
balcony and there is things that it's not helicopters because
there's no lights. That are these the lights that are
on you know, commercial aircraft or you know private aircraft,
no lights, and they're moving around strangely, and they're big

(02:09:43):
and they're not like a plane that is moving. They're
going up and down in weird angles.

Speaker 13 (02:09:50):
And the ones the last story that I sent you were,
uh one was one day apart, but the same spot,
the one it comes out since I moved. That one
never moves. But I'm seeing some merge out of it
and some come in and merge into it. I've seen
where actually over half a dozen came like they were
looking at or coming in to go near it. And

(02:10:12):
then but they don't take off, you don't see them
take up. They disappear. And I've got a lot of
videos where I'm saying this one always disappears after and
it disappears and then but the thing was that you
I sent you those three those are not from the
same day, that's the same ones, and it's perfectly they're
repeating that spot. And that's the stranger for me.

Speaker 2 (02:10:33):
Yeah, but art the one I kind of speculate the
one at Stay Stationary. Could that be a planet? No?

Speaker 13 (02:10:42):
Because that one I took a picture, and then I
wanted to take a video, and as I went down
to turn my phone on video, I looked up it
was gone, but it was fifty feet in front of me,
by the size of a basketball, and then it shot
back and never moved again. So that's one of two
others that came up to my balcony. And the one

(02:11:04):
that I took was right twenty feet above the cars,
and it was coming where I'm at. I'm looking at
an intersection about maybe seventy five yards from my apartment,
and this thing's following the cars about twenty feet above them.
And there's those tower lines, those those Edison tower lines
that it's going to go into those wires. But as

(02:11:27):
I took a picture of it, it went across the intersection,
came over my adjacent rooftop. It's the fourth story, plus
the rooftop makes it a little higher. It went over
like a wave, came down to my third I'm on
a four story, but I'm on the third level and
it's coming two apartments down from me. I take the
second picture. It freezes and then you could see like

(02:11:50):
liquid inside. I see the little black dot and liquid,
and it starts to from a soccer ball size, it
went to a basketball size and then just like this
period and I got kind of nervous on that one
because I said, what if I didn't take a picture,
what have come to me? And the third one actually
came to me and flashed, and I saw a bunch

(02:12:13):
of orbs all behind it, and I was like whoa.
And then the next morning, my my uh storage of
my all my pictures and videos were gone. And I
heard and I heard somebody else say the same thing.
I was on my balcony and the thing came up
and flashed. But in other times I taken pictures when
the moon's out, Oh we get a beautiful. I gotta

(02:12:34):
I think I send you some but beautiful pictures of
the moon when it's down low and and uh, what
I did is I took just pictures. I can't see anything.
But when I looked at them, there's like orbs there.
So they were cloaked, but they were a little off
from the color of the sky. So this is something
strange that I was like, Wow, you know, you don't

(02:12:55):
see them, but they they they're just you know, they're
they're uh, they kind of like say, they react to
you catching them. All the all the all the UFOs,
from crafts to uh to orbs, every one of them
that I had turned and looked where it popped. Immediately
knew that I saw it and reacted to it by

(02:13:17):
stopping and sitting there for a while and then probably
saying to itself, well he caught me in and take
off or disappear Anything's also just before maybe you want
to get into ask me any questions.

Speaker 2 (02:13:29):
Well, we were almost we're almost out of time. I
got like about three or four minutes left. But here's
the thing. You know, did you listen to doctor Gregg
Rogers what he said about you know, being shown a
UFO and a hangar with UFO US Air Force markings
on it. Years. Yeah, I mean that makes me wonder

(02:13:49):
a lot of this stuff like TikTok and all this
stuff it could have been designed for from Northrop. Are
some of these other things. I mean, maybe a lot
of these UFOs that we're starting to see because people
are now looking at the skies more than ever, so
they're seeing stuff that they if they never looked at
the sky, they didn't see. Maybe we're seeing a lot

(02:14:13):
of our own stuff.

Speaker 13 (02:14:15):
Well this, I mean, this is before we're done here.
Let me say that I saw this domp down about
maybe one hundred and fifty yards from my balcony, a
Domino ship type. It was black and it was domino
side looking and shape, and it had the tower of
an aircraft carrier on it. And then the right corner
has like a flagpole type where you see the ball
in the front, and maybe it was an antenna, but

(02:14:36):
it came out and many of these come out the
same way, comes out of the sky like it's behind
the curtain, because you could it just comes out and
then goes right behind. And I've seen a few other
UFOs or ships I should say not rage or anything,
but UFO is going coming out that way, and that's
the way it disappeared. The next day, it was a
chevron and it was drooping down sixty feet off the
ground next to a telephone pole, and it was coming

(02:15:00):
towards me and across the street, and so I got
my camera out and before I can take the picture,
it did like a Star of David flash and then
you knew it took off. It was and I'm facing west.
I knew it took off towards the west, and all
I got was on my camera was a little gas

(02:15:21):
cloud and that was it. But it kind of new
I was going to do that. That's what the whole
thing is, your mind saying, yeah, you know, it was
coming towards me. As soon as it knew I had
a camera, disappeared. The third I'm going to say, these
are black, you know type of ships, Chevron and the Domino.
The third one was a triangle and it was sixty

(02:15:44):
feet above my apartment as it's coming over and there's
that big white light on the center and in the
center it started pixelating outward evenly, and when it was
coming up to was a twin engine commercial Arab and
when it snapped, it went into solid and the engines
were running, and it was the engine The engines were

(02:16:06):
on top of the canopy type, not the ones underneath
on the fuselage.

Speaker 6 (02:16:11):
They're the ones.

Speaker 2 (02:16:11):
It's like that.

Speaker 13 (02:16:12):
As soon as it went snap up, the motors were loud,
and then it went across the street, over the Edison
tower lines and disappeared just really quickly. Then I would
say this, some of these crafts turned into commercial and
military crafts. I've seen them transform and you know, optical
illusion whatever. And these things are like one hundred feet up,

(02:16:34):
two hundred feet up. They're not out in space. But
I can't I can't really tell you, you know, like somebody
would say, I saw an airplane, a helicopter, you know.
But I got so many and I got so many.

Speaker 12 (02:16:49):
Of the things.

Speaker 13 (02:16:49):
But the one I sent you those videos when I
was videotaping the moon, did you see the ones were
popping out behind the moon. Yeah, And then the it's
almost like they were responding to me, like, oh, I
got caught. And then one comes up, one comes to
the side, one one came out towards me, but it disappears,
and one goes towards the ocean and they disappear, and
one I just looking up, pops out and going towards

(02:17:12):
the moon, but then disappears. But you can see they
I sent those to you. Those are uh what about
the cigar shape? That one was right there? You know,
I got lucky. I had my phone on already put
it up and it disappeared, like oh man, thank you
very much for letting me help out. And I just

(02:17:34):
want to share everything. I'm just here to give give
so much. And I was three years old too. I'm
sixty four, so basically from there. And it's not like
a regular how do you say this? It's not like
I saw it years ago like that and I was
in No, this is like a regular things with me
and that you know, the repillion things that with that

(02:17:54):
person I've talked to you about. And another friend who
had a video of a UFO right there in front
of his window. Oh, it's just tremendously to meet people.

Speaker 2 (02:18:03):
Okay, hey, that's my timer. I gotta I got it.
We gotta jump. Thank you and you have a good weekend.

Speaker 13 (02:18:09):
Okay, yeah you too.

Speaker 2 (02:18:11):
Bye bye. Well, jac why don't you tell tell the
listeners about who we're going to have on on our
next show, which we're not gonna have a show next week,
but the week after.

Speaker 5 (02:18:22):
Yes, August first, a Friday, marked us on your calendars,
because the first guest is gonna be Kevin Paul. You
hear his commercials about Green County, PA. Well, he's going
to be here telling us about some of the things
that he's researched collective reports and he's experienced these things
firsthand some of us. Pretty mind blowing.

Speaker 6 (02:18:42):
Gary.

Speaker 5 (02:18:42):
But then the second hour, we're gonna have mister Samuel
Chong talk calling in and he's got some UFO related
stuff he's going to be.

Speaker 2 (02:18:50):
Talking about, and he's very credible.

Speaker 5 (02:18:52):
He is a lawyer too, and he's a translator for
the I believe the LA court systems.

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