Ep 182 Me veo "muy gay" (con Julián Soto)

Julian Soto e Ian García se ponen a evaluar la forma en que son percibidos por las demás personas por su trabajo, por la gente con quien se juntan, o por cómo se ven; pero Adrián Andrés y Quique Galdeano les dan otra perspectiva y evalúan como personas como ellos inspiran para ser más seguros y sentirse cómodos en todos los diferentes espacios. Arreglarse el cabello, expresar tus sentimientos, depilarse, el skin care, vestirse bien, hacer lo que te hace feliz, no te hacen maricón; te hacen una persona plena y con auto cuidado.

Episode Transcript

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Pink Box presents. The opinions expressedherein are entirely the responsibility of those who
provide the information and do not representthe opinions or editorial thinking of ero scandal
or speaking to Chile and only aswe can do, no Chilean temona returns

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attic. How about a friend,I' m Ian Garcia, and we
' re in another episode of notempona Chile. And so, I'
m here with the Kicki Galdea Lakiwho galeana. We' re already waiting
heavy before we present these prints Güey, I want to tell you that in
this episode Ian and I bring shoemagic a hundred pins there for God,

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you don' t smoke. Neither. You' ve never smoked healthy people
on this side, but not evengreen the do of life to see is
everything, it' s natural life, it' s natural and then it
' s bold. It' sthe first time I' ve ever made
an episode deal. I' mgonna tell you something. At some point
you interview Anato Roja with the thirdking esp the bato could not give tick

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no more now. I' venever told you this. Wey then and
there ox Ahorita show up because ifI' m not there anymore I forget.
So my name, there goes thenI interviewed Anato Roja on Radio Bueno
I forgot that it was the interviewand so ten minutes before the interview with
Pe Garza I gave him like theplume and suddenly they tell me to come

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in in five minutes with Anato Roja, I don' t mames wey doesn
' t give him any stronger,no mames and in the end the whole
interview made him ask because I wasso that I on that night neither did
I fart. But, well,that my anecdote with WIT was the only
time we brought magic. We bringmagic and I' m Adlean Andres and

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he and I are Julian Soto.A taste start again here, girls,
you an episode, second episode.That' s if you saw the previous
episode because we' re going toalternate it, then we already recorded that
great one. We brought the sameclothes in the previous episode because we recorded
it five minutes ago. Hey,production. We have to record ten episodes.
It' s the same day.We' re gonna talk about what
we' re gonna talk about.It' s just that I liked content

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a story of I don' tremember what about auditions or I don'
t know something you were saying Yeah, of course I look gay I'
m not supposed to be the subject. Yeah, no, and it all
starts you and I' m thekid. You' re a guest,
you bastard, are you here yet? You' ve invited everything, uh,
' cause I thought you' dget the cast ah that' s

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nice, you want me to behere. Yeah, well, right now,
I think so, with us,obviously, always, always ready to
kick out. That' s hispon addiction in the previous episode. I
think that' s enough credit.Yes, that' s what we'
re talking about A very personal story. Congratulations. If you didn' t
hear in that episode, go findhim. It was his episode. Yes,
literal, the episode yes, yes, yes, but, well,

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the theme is that Güey, yes, why do I look I look gey
you see I had said well,Bastard or Güey is going to be very
funny to record this episode with ustwo like this, Güey and I so
grab to see then many times haveasked me and more on social networks than

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if you are gay? That ifI' m gay for being pretty for
coming out the grinder, why else, because starring in gay roles like that
and because the community has always beenvery supportive of me. So they ask
me a lot about what you hearand you' re gay or why you
' re not games when I tellthem no, no, I' m
not gay, but I consider myselfan open person again and if it'

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s a boy, but that's when you say but that' s
what I' m making people thinkthat, even if I had that perception
of me it bothered you at firstthey said it didn' t bother me,
but it seemed strange to me becauseobviously, my spin wasn' t
like men. Obviously, at firstyou say well, I go to the
gym to look good and have amouth, a good old lady. And

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then I said good. I'd rather like women than like geys.
Obviously, at first it was thisfirst thing I thought, but then I
left like I destroyed. They didn' t start to support me too much,
which I said wow, I mean, they support me more than a

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woman who' s the dorks Isaid then it' s me from here
I' m the gossip from thatmoment on. I said, because the
LGBT audience is always something that Ialways supported and I want too much then,
but there is always the perception thatI am not because I am very
much in that environment. Not atthe time, I think it affected you,

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upset you or something. No.I' d never get or maybe
I' d get blown away.I said like why, so why,
but why? And the bato asa t- shirt to the truth.
Yeah,' cause I did itwith a fitness spin. You know why
I was competing and I was reallyinto the fitnes. So, yes,
I would take pictures of myself inthe mirror and go up there, but

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I had a lot of comments frommen and many friends would always say hey
to me. You' ve noticedthat most of your social media comments are
men' s. And one dayI started to look at that whole subject
and realized that, because yes,the majority of eighty percent were my followers
were men to see. At first, it was already after it was diversified

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a little bit more, but atthe beginning of eighty percent and so I
the slight this now did make meknow a little. That' s why
now I mean, I do wantto walk a little bit like you think
you got to the point that Idon' t bother you, that they
tell you that because I' msure that he doesn' t part of

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the heteros remember that they' relistening to us is how I look and
it' s like an offense.Or that Güey only follows me batos que
farto or that I know even sexualhetetos that listen in commenting when they delete
the comments of men, when theyencourage him in their stories, what style
of their desserts that are aha.So, at what point, like you
said, it' s okay withme, or I don' t care
or I don' t know,because I think at first it was having

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as friends, no more friendships thisLGBT. Then it was like he gave
me, realizing that I said Güey, what fine people don' t judge
you, they' re not lookingfor a lawsuit. So it was like,
and I' m gonna give into who it is, or I

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can take you to the mens whomade it happen to like you, I
don' t know, but myfeeling was that I had a good time.
In fact, when I went togay parties, I had a lot
better time than when I was goingto a straight güey party. Then it
started over there. And then,obviously, it was that when I started
working in the bo bo clown group, the job was almost eighty percent because

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the sherry job that hired us wasin the joints of us. Then I
spent it in all the centers ofthe pink zones. And I remember so
if I didn' t want toput one in it, you were there
with someone and so I agree.I wasn' t out anymore, it
' s already in another, butI knew it or out I was already

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losing the cat vina kills. Butthen, but I left for Barra because
I had little left to have hada month left to go. But what
they told me, yes, wasthat before we did some shows that were
a little bit, because with fruits. Not before, when I was there,
we did it with an apple,with an apple and then can When
I got out, changed to makea cucumber and people sometimes drunk in the

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den, because they don' tlook at the consequences. And one of
the contests and it was to seewho finished the fruit faster. Not at
that time did they momentate the pepand not then did they swallow. Then
he' s almost dying. Güey. The gray ones are determined. I
mean, we had targets, noton the road. The non was pi
impression was no, because I doimagine to see. I want you to

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tell us, Julián, what afart Güey that can already be listening to
the stories of the cucumber nothing,for to me it has been a whole
walk, a huge opening of mind. You' ve known me for many
years. I' m from Sinaloa. Nice to meet you Julian Soto,
because you didn' t let meintroduce myself or present I feel mother,

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you started talking yes, yes,yes, this one of glue. So,
obviously, there was a big socialprejudice that if you get close to
a gay, that is, youalmost get hit, because it' s
like he' s a flu orhe' s gonna want to fuck you,
or he' s the gay.Yeah, now he' s got
a goal, which is to wantto fuck you. Obviously, I was
with the passion of wanting to dedicatemyself to the performance of coming here,

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Mexico City, with your truck andegg speaks, for example, this fifteen
years ago of super uncomfortable feeling.I don' t explain anything to myself
today, I mean, you knowme, you know that I' m
coming to hug you, that is, I thank life and God that I
could break with a mold that separatedme from people and now I can be

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closer to people. I know Ican get here to your house, sell
a talk with you and the twoof you cry that I can hear you
or you can hear me. Soit was, as we know, to
people in general, that is,I explain myself by what they are and
not by their preferences, that is, in the end, who you sleep
with, the bed is very differentfrom the quality of the person you decide
with and good I start with.I arrived here in Mexico City about thirteen

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years ago. I came as ifI were afraid, as they said,
not my own. It wasn't homophobia, because it wasn' t
hatred. It was more of afear, I mean, a fear of
me they' re gonna love,they' re gonna love me. That
' s a hundred serious. I' m not going to fear horror,
it' s a güey fear,but rational jai. Moreover aha, but
it was never directed as to bean impulse of anger, of hatred.

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It was just how I' drather be away. How are the things
I end up working at a bartending in a gay joint. So,
obviously, I said well, I' m gonna try it one day and
see how I feel. I wasnot feeling 100% comfortable, because obviously
I had never received so many fireworksfrom men and that farting at me,
then how would you if I hityou and woe that handsome for a moment

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or yes or yes or O whenI was thrown mostly comments invitations to go
to bed, because obviously it wasn' t like the best for me because,
as she says, she doesn't expect to receive it from a
woman and that fuck would be andreceiving that from someone you don' t
expect it is always uncomfortable. Evenif you fart at someone you don'
t like and start trying, it' s awkward. It doesn' t
even have to see the gender ofthe person. It has to do with

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because you' re not attracted andgetting so much attention that you don'
t want to find it a littleoverwhelming. Then I start working there.
The first day was like ok,but I said well, I' m
gonna give him a second chance.As the months passed because I was there
for almost a year working bar service, I started making friends and I started

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making friends with you that until todaywe are friends. So I said,
I started to know them more aboutthe quality of person, people who supported
me in my career, people whoif I was sad, they would notice
it and ask me how you are. So I said hepa, I mean,
they' re not just looking forsex or who I sleep with,
but they' re people who canunderstand you. And because I say it

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like that because it was I'm talking about how I thought before.
No, as I think, rightnow, this one I can feel accompanied
I can give you confidence. He' s even someone who cares more than
a person. This one I don' t know let' s say that
some straight acquaintance I' m worthmothers and maybe they have a greater sensitivity,
which I also loved. That sensitivityto say I am for you then

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it was like I started giving I' m not going to go grab love
if or just have prejudices, callpeople for being people, that is,
for being normal, regardless of theirpreference, regardless of their tastes. This
one already today I have a greatcircle of friends of all kinds and I
feel very comfortable going to a grove. And I feel very comfortable having friends

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gate that if you' ve thoughtthat I' m gay for surrounding this
circle or going to an androgay you' ve thought it a thousand times,
but it doesn' t bother me. I am telling the truth that I
no longer seek the approval of others. I' m not looking for approval
on the other one. Just theassurance that I' m thirsty to know
who I am and I' mnot going away from good friends because of
what they think of me, that' s the most important thing. I

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' m not gonna stop going toa drugstore and seeing my gay friends,
because I love them with my soul. Simply put, if a woman is
going to think if I am thatI am, I would not rather lose
her by not putting a prejudice beforeher or why they consider that they have
been perceived as people. Oy gaymen ok ok, in my case,

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for going places this, to anandrogay this or to a gay party.
This one seems to me like there' s that pretty- breasted prejudice surrounded
by gay sure. It' sthe same then, obviously, as I
say to myself, it doesn't affect me if they think about it,
that is, the world doesn't feed me and the world is
already too much love, as itis, to want that person to find

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you something else, in friends.I believe that friendship often the love of
friendship more important than looking for afalse love in someone who can leave you
in a week. I agree withyou at what point you' ve felt
it' s ah here. That' s when they call me a hot
dog or yours. This is whenyou see here that you gallide not in

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time to progress here with why youhave it here. I don' t
know why you think so. AndGary, nobody told me anything, but
why do you think you' vealready been put on that spot when people
say zumba? Think that you're the real thing that happened to me
just in the group that I wastelling you about because we were making up.

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No, because sometimes you start withmakeup and there were times. I
can be honest with you that sinceit was already made like a day to
day, you know sometimes I didn' t go to work anymore and I
still did it, you know then, but I did it because I had

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gotten used to it, because Iwas already every day like that so I
am, I feel comfortable. Sopeople would say to this guy he'
s probably gay because he doesn't make up and I' d say
no. No. I do itbecause I like it and I like to
look good. And I do itbecause sometimes if I go to a casting,
because it shines less or because sometimesthis one on TV also make you

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up and well, you get usedto doing it yourself. I don'
t need anyone to make up forme and that too many times people who
don' t know this medium sayit' s probably like it or it
' s gay not and even ifyou weren' t the middle, I
mean, there' s nothing wrongwith taking care of your clear aesthetics.

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But speaking for me, that's why a lot of people kind of
said what' s up with thisgüey right now, if I said good
later, if I' m notgonna do it. Obviously, if I
' m not going to work onanything, I don' t. But
you see times for the gym.Not for the gym, so I said
good, so, if it's not necessary, I don' t.
But it was so much the customthat I started doing it. And

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that' s when I started peoplesaying that kind of thing and you stopped
doing it. Yeah, I letit do, but I did. I
stopped doing it because I didn't have to. I mean, I
just stopped doing it around. Ornot anymore. I' m gonna put
it down because I' m scared. Yeah, no, no, no,
that' s not why you knowthat' s because I said good.
I' m gonna take more careof myself. I' m going

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to be a little more recent withmyself I was getting better at other kinds
of things. Not at some pointdid he ever call himself a metrosexual.
I don' t know if youremember. If there' s one there
' s a song we aha mantitaexact, but just the sexual subway where
you like wey 20 years ago theystarted calling it these because even people didn

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' t come out of the closet. Twenty years ago. I mean,
it' s like my high schoolwas a non- mom wey from that,
because it' s that we're metrosexuals It' s like you
started to handle this idea that themen were not taking care of her They
said, oh, no, no, you' re another official sexist and
America was the other sex together.Yes, yes or yes little, subway,

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meters exol te. It' sclear that I remember, because they
sang it to me a lot,because even before I was an actor I
was looking for personal care in thegym, I was combing a lot.
I cared a lot about physical appearancethis, but it was for my own
pleasure, because I wanted to drinkwell, to present myself well to others.
Then they would sing it to me, obviously at first if it caused

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me a insecurity because obviously it waslike almost at that moment, telling you
you' re getting gay. I' m talking about when I lived in
Sinaloa and those who sang it tome were meant to be. From everywhere,
it was the same to ok,yes, fair, but it was
with that intention how you are likingmen and I said if I like men,
I would be happy, I mean, I explain, I wouldn'
t suffer, I mean I wouldaccept it and I wouldn' t hide

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it and I wouldn' t haveto feel humiliated. I wouldn' t
say anything. But obviously, sinceit wasn' t the case, I
was saying why you want to puta reality that you want to egg on
me. That was perhaps the trouble. Why did you see like that.
Well, the realities are different.The three lives are different. Well,
you say such a day already afterthose thirty- something construction roses in whatever

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you want. But it' scool that I get the broken one.
You know, too, I mean, yeah, okay cool, if you
' d been gay, you'd be a good father. The reality
is that I think most of usdidn' t spend it so much father,
I didn' t go either fatheror laughs since you know, I
mean, s right now came outof the closet, you' d be
amazing or, of course, güey, every handsome guy has a bar lives

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alone day, yeah, bastard,but the magin tins in your house and
cock is quite different. I wouldhave so much adolescence, I explain myself,
not I tell you, the processis different. That' s all
I can imagine You' re absolutelyright. I spoke without knowing a reality
and it' s cool that thismonth wey is fine father and maybe it
' s okay to talk about it. Maybe I don' t, I
mean I wouldn' t say it' s father to be, yes,
because I can' t speak fromsomething I don' t know, but

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I say I would look for away to accept myself as I am as
I do right now, including becauseeveryone, very, very much apart from
their sexual preference, is looking allthe time to accept us as we are,
supposes our physical complexion, by ourbehaviors, by our social circle.
We' re always like wanting tobe our best version. And that and
I' m going to say somethingthat maybe diruticate you and I told you

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with that because because I didn't know you, but just like I
mentioned in the last chapter. Imean, I' m a believer and
quite the opposite of what you thinkthe Church can do to me on my
staff, because it' s nottrue. It wasn' t the Church,
but God, instead of separating mefrom this world, was the one
who brought me closer to giving themthe most, that is, by saying
love is not exclusively for those whothink like you. Love is for everyone.

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That' s what he thinks peronis that in the end I say
don' t notice, that herewe are, I mean what would think
if we were time for this job, that we' re gay, exactly
if we' re gay, thetruth is we' re super anti-
religion and so at some point,no, no, no, but if

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there' s a bunch of peoplewho really do war with the devil and
you, but what I' mgoing to do is this stereotype of güey.
No, we' re not superphobic religious, not the truth.
And not really. At some pointI did have a lot of courage with
the Church, of course hear andliteral, but also uh it' s
not that he told me something hewants. I don' t think it

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' s right now, too,that I already understand that I have to
know. If I' m askingfor respect for my sexuality, I also
have to respect someone else' sreligion, someone else' s sexuality,
identity, that is. I thinkthe basis of everything is respect for it.
Of course I didn' t commenton it with you that just even
me, that is, being abeliever, gives me courage when it'

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s that I don' t likethe religious thing, I like the relationship
with God, the religious thing doesn' t. I don' t want
to impose on you you have tobelieve the same as me and if the
only way you get to God isunder my way, because I don'
t have it. I follow apath that I think is the right one
because obviously I am believing Jesus andI try to do what he does.
But I will not impose on youthat you have to leave what is considered
sin so that I can approach youfor myself the God in which I believe

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is the God who seeks you.Despite that, I explain myself then I
am not fighting for ana with religion. Neither does support. I like the
relationship with God, but I dounderstand that there is a great social wound
of what the church calls religion,whatever it is, because apart from churches,
there are many religions, many kindsof doctrines that have hurt society by
making them believe that they don't deserve heaven or that they don'

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t deserve entry. I don't think it' s religions today,
because all religions are the basis,it' s love, it' s
people who interpret religion, they're finally exactly human, and I think
when we start to understand that,too. This world is also going to
change, because people kill for thename of God, it continues to kill
not so there is a güey warthat is right now and precisely people are

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killing themselves for religions or ideas,and it would not have to be so.
Of course, all conflicts are becausewe can' t stand someone thinking
differently. The human being is soself- centered many times that if you
don' t think like me,I make war on you in political senses,
in personal senses. It' sif you don' t think like
me, you' ve been thereand it' s hard for me to

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understand you and I' d ratherhate you or talk bad about you than
sit with you, have coffee andsee, but tell me what it'
s like to live your life,what it' s like to live on
your feet. We all think we' re empathetic, but being empathetic is
something else and I' m likethat, it' s not good,
it' s not a little bit. It' s like this, yeah,
they' ve already had the kill. I understand whatsaa I' m

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being güey. You all saw alittle while ago that it went viral or
on Twitter, in ex- forgiveness. It' s this video of a
güey. So, super male,all barbon like that, beard, here
Güey and the mustache, the fuckingmother. Not like that, Güey,
bato, bato. This is wherehe comes out combing his moustache and irons.

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If he does put wax on anddoes so and all the comments he
had were pure morass, saying wherethe true men were left. What is
this. They' re destroying themasculinity, what they think of moras,
that is, for love, soit' s the height of the batos
that they' ve been commenting onis fake profiles because Adens doesn' t
give the eggs for the face,that is, the women know commenting that

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wey not a bato would give himegga wey that is, nor would it
make it clear to regret, butyes pro is a but says that soon
it will be. But, forexample, you' re making yourself comb
if this wey gets made up,you know, and I' m sorry
that if you guys get to publishher same routine, just imagine falling asleep,
you' ll get your tubie sothat you' ll get squealed.
Ah you know, wey gabon andthis dressing, so if you go and

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now wey don' t get thebase and the polvito and the red broncha
sar has been the skinker to cleanup and the shiners you know, I
mean, if they published that fuckingroutine, they would fall for the same
kind of comments. How is thatpossible? Güey' s fine, handsome
Ele, the novel extractor Wow andhe killed Wey Chcarlo to Moreno this vato

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that destroys your vagina when it catchesyou, you know? How is that
possible? You want to do routine, these Kink, you know? It
has me as a very curious contradictionwhich you consider to be like the routines
that or your habits, which youconsider can make these other people extremely uncomfortable,

(24:10):
for rooting of masculinity or almost havingto see its name. Either this
can' t do it, orit doesn' t make sense to me.
I' m on the video.I mean, it' s a
hygienic toilet, but there' sthe expensive pinche. You don' t
want to keep it and it's also that you don' t fight
your head, the beard likes it, twice as much as if you don
' t salivate food to the weymother that good ge te, you can

(24:32):
fart all. If then I whatare the habits that you would have.
Well, and if you too wedon' t even put Güey cream,
Me, Güey, I' dlike to get more like this, Güey,
because I feel like I' venever taken care of myself. The
old lady' s face is there. But Güey, it' s this
one of pure sweet on the face, girls, uh, this is pure

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omega. If I don' ttell them, I' m not kidding.
Give your face thirteens a day andnow, Güey, well I tell
you make- up, you combyourself, for example, you don'
t flat out. Since I don' t do anything to myself, Güey,
I mean, I go to thegym and I do my massages and
dick and no longer Mr Natural Beautywey no, no, no, no,
but I don' t do anythingto myself. I swear I don

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' t do anything to myself.In fact, my güey always tells me
asshole, already put on a blockerand I' m just getting a blocker
that I feel is something that doeshave to be done, because precisely the
sun is what fucks you the most. You' ve become like a laser
to the milarte or something. No, but I did. If I remove
the beautiful ones with a shaver,that is, if I look for if

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I have every certain time I removethe hairs from my legs. Oh I
don' t hahahahaha, because theyration the legs world these tests yes,
yes, notice that they did leavea lot of things that I used to
do that if they could tell mewhat it is like, for example,
to be well shaved all the time. I don' t mean, in

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fact or that light hair I lovethat they have wey hairs I' m
all wey I lose it. Ayyo ay ay bueno Aha, It wasn
' t like one of the thingsI' ve stopped doing completely, not

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another. I don' t knowabout makeup I already said I left it
a panic made, choking, don' t notice that I don' t
care about that weight so pleasant.And if you put the two in her
vagina, an old one, nomames wey, you' re gonna rip

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the fucking prick off a wey dickonce I got a maniquds and they put
me one like a transparent base thatshone and shit. Here that day I
received Welling. This bastard is amario, that' s not it'
s not malteey they got spas badtea and it will be received bully everywhere

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that they told you, because evenyou was already watching. We' re
going to go to a grinder functionand there it shone a little by the
lights and my fucking fingers shone.Then they all realized that he was carrying
the decommission in theñas. Yeah, I remembered that. I said first

(27:29):
time I had told me no,Mames, I said no anymore, but
we totally agree that that makes youmore faggot. Not really at all.
I said I don' t meanin word because people are crazy. Then
he says you know he painted hisnails and hours ago a podcast with pure
faggot. I greet that day partner, not if it would be to partners

(27:52):
told you to shave his legs towey if this rope would not be that
good. I always came by formy girl' s fingernails. Then that
day I stayed and did that procedure. Then it was that man' s
floor is empty of just blame,because one, like men, will no

(28:12):
longer see his feet. What Imean to say to me, I mean,
put on a mask. Okay,mop, you feel the face you
take off it and it' slike it' s soft and toothed,
but it' s where my friendsmake me doing this that they' re
going to make me doubtful, Imean, I explain to myself that'
s like something that but since theydon' t water it, that doesn

(28:33):
' t, uh, it depends, it depends on what month, but
let' s talk about those friends. Dude, I guarantee you that eighty
percent of the scepters that are therethink exactly the same or worse if we
have trouble putting on a mask orhow to say ah I have the I
' m going to make a fasiI mean it doesn' t fit anymore,
but the times already or you guysare just like that, but out
there. Like c three words,I think we' re inviting you to
get pediated and facial. Yeah,they' re sayin'" boys"

(28:56):
I used to go to the swordto do things to my face and right
now it doesn' t give meanymore. I make them the truth.
I put any more on the semellike I do, but very occasionally I
do and I have a lot ofmasks there and we don' t until
you remember us. They gave itaway a lot on a brand. He
gave us both a bunch of masksonce because we went to a forum,

(29:18):
it' s an expo and notme. If I' ve put on
several, I' ve put onthe prediction that it' s from him
and watching a movie you experience,I' m going to go fuck myself
I see my face hydrated I saidthis I' m worth what people think,
I mean, I enjoyed it I' m going to keep doing it
egg. Why do you think peopledon' t do it or that you

(29:42):
even sneak around in quotes? Yeah, why don' t we do it
first. I think that' sthe question. Why. Because maybe if
they didn' t give them tome, I wouldn' t go shopping.
That' s a shoe wound.It' s sense. And now,
if I run out, I'm going to go shopping because I
like the effects that my skin has, because it moisturizes you because it feels
like you' re feeling in aspam that you' re there in your
house. What would you have thoughtyou' d never go to buy from

(30:03):
him if you didn' t givehim one because you didn' t just
think about it, like men don' t do that then, like it
' s an idea you' renot even looking for, I explain,
you don' t even try tolook at it when I keep spending the
money it' s going to compareyou. There are people who won'
t get stuck in the queue becausethey think literal is going to become homosexual.
If I' ve listened several timesseriously. If you don' t

(30:25):
know that, that is Güey,then check the prostate, but don'
t mames Güey, that is tosay, I' ll tell you there
' s a stream of tiktoks ofmussels that also say Güey. I don
' t do it. I don' t make him fuck next door and
I can' t touch my man' s sandals, because Güey is all,
that is to say, baca thewey is your to shit, because

(30:45):
yes, then, that is,imagine to what extent the prejudice is,
then it' s cool that theyverbalize it, because finally, when you
see something, there' s notclear the net, then, as the
years go on and it goes well, no more men who wear skirts,
who put on masks, who becomemedicur or whatever, you' re normalizing

(31:07):
a topic that shouldn' t evenbe male, women of hygiene. Well,
he has had consequences for them tolook at those attitudes or see them
as feminine or how they are consequences. No, no, I consider it
to have brought me consequences beyond thelong process or short process, but a
whole mental process. To say thisone that the others will think. Thank
God, I live today at atime when I don' t care what

(31:29):
others think. It' s notthat I' m worth people' s
opinion either, because I' minterested in having people' s love.
To me I live from the audiencethis and above all, give a good
example. I seek that my lifemakes a good example, then neither will
I live as I can not say, to project love, but I am
worth mother the opinion of all becauseit is not true. That' s,
that' s the balance of I' m going to ignore people who

(31:52):
aren' t willing to receive mylove from that part. They don'
t miss it. But, Ihope that at some point it will be
the opportunity of that one to talkto me or to listen to me and
see that my intentions are the bestand, obviously, that is why my
attitudes will also try to pursue myintentions. Now this time I' ve
been thinking about how about the masks, the shaving of my legs, this

(32:14):
is what it is that I combedmyself to the tiles, that is,
I saw a window and or wasvery vain. Then but it came a
moment was that his era I loweredhim quite, like there came a time
when I felt so comfortable with myselfthat Right now, for example, I
have no idea how I am combed. It' s just that I was

(32:37):
blamed for watching porn, no,but it was a great release to say
this, Right now, I don' t know what it was like,
I don' t know how I' m combed, Right now, I
want to believe that neatly, becauseit' s not that I' m
a mess or I' m lookingto be as I please, but before
it was like being here saying.Oh, well, I' m still
looking good, it' s justthat I don' t feel like I

(32:58):
' m too worried about your appearanceanymore, because yes, exactly, it
can also become an addiction. No, uh, no, that' s
not an addiction, of course itis or a good habit. I mean,
I don' t know if anaddiction or I think it was a
habit I is not. I believebecause it didn' t hurt me.
I believe that there can be addictionsas in everything, i e I was
literally dictating to myself. I hadeither a habit of consuming us, a

(33:21):
vice or a habit that affects youin a negative way. How to interrupt
your dynamic to see you in themirror, because that would be as if
it was, I think it's getting in my way, you know,
but I think we' re lookingat more anxiety issues, physical insecurity
issues. Yes, the issue ofinsecurity or seeking so much approval in the
other one that I thought the firststep for the other to approve me was

(33:44):
my physique. Now I think we' re doing a little bit very generic,
too. You too and well,we all also fulfilled a very clear
and very evident hegemony, that is, our gender expression and so on.
It' s too regular within whatfits, between the parameters of a man.
But also because there are many people, exclusive hotetosexual men and I already

(34:07):
know enough who wear skirts, painttheir nails, that yes, they fix
their hair and not that they havecombed me. We' re talking about
Melena you know if you make it, that curls, the cream, the
oil, the not that fucking motherevery morning, because you know, I
mean, they' re routines,that nets come out of the conventional for
an average man. Let' scall him no. But I think we

(34:27):
' re talking about vanity issues,tastes, styles of preference, because although
it' s this wey was paintedon the nails, but it looks very
heterostyps very heterosexual exclusion only by thepainted signs, because we' re talking
about aesthetics and taste. If wey' s a straight bato, maybe he
' ll bite our nails, butmom' s gonna be obsessed with his
walker pints. Polo wey I seemore and more common, I mean,

(34:49):
my coach is straight and the güeybrings his painted nails. So, like,
you say, it' s eithergood or we' re living,
at least at a time when peopleare getting out of line, so to
speak. And I' m verygrateful the net to see, for example,
also my coaches mom go to thecrosfie in croptop you know it'
s making me the most anti-sruptive for a man sprayy. Güey,

(35:12):
a croptop, you know, obviously, he' s very handsome and he
' s all fucked up and hedoes want to pay me, but he
' s puga, you know,and under his old man and everything and
that he and his girlfriend would tellhim about this same dynamic. I once
said Güey how many captors he has. It gets too much and I know
that if my old lady can comeshowing her abdomen that she' s clearly
working and she' s a bastard, I want to show mine too and

(35:34):
I said it makes all the sensewow, it makes all the cool sense
that she sees me I don't care. In the end, I
' m feeding on miego and myarrogance, which makes me fascinating. You
know, we all obviously want tosee ourselves beautiful for something fixed. I
don' t paint myself for somethingI don' t and I say but
how well you articulated it be moreamazing. The process is very interesting.
And then my neighbor, who isalso a buga wears skirts, skirt,

(35:57):
lady skirt, woman skirt, skirtif not skirt to go to the den,
skirt to go to work, skirtto I don' t know,
for skirts. Güey, that's right, I hadn' t seen
him and I told him, Güey, why, because those skirts, I
mean, by Güey, you likethis bastard jaa and turn around. I
' m telling you, yes,but that' s the heat. Güey
and I said it does make allthe sense. Wey you' re duck,

(36:21):
wey you raise eggs you know,I mean, by land, wey
pesta and bato cho, just likeI feel well prayed and free. I
can walk, and that' show it goes, and it' s
going to be a horrible guawbre.I like it and it' s one
of the very few I know thatwith that daring because it' s brave,
you know, yeah, dare togo out in your day. Yeah,
I güey as a joto, it' s more of a trans moor

(36:44):
you know you still think about themas you dress to go to certain places,
that a hterosexual bat has this courageto come and get the cool and
it makes all the sense and theyou We' re talking about taste of
functionality. You know, for example, uniforms at work, not that you
' re women with the uniformed six- fungals. You know the skirt and
this one' s a cleavage bagand I don' t know what.

(37:06):
But the man, I mean,thinks that I' m looking at yucatan
a heat that you shit no andyou get a cannon that you stay like
that ge yes, it came outmore so I' m from Yucatan Avenue
a heat that you fall and youhave to and the report of a Güey
goding is sack is suit. We' re talking about Güey wearing tight,
tight clothes, the shirt, thevest, the jacket, and look what

(37:31):
' s everyday. I don't kill myself while the moustache is all
little mother going in skirt heels andwell she tells you very much it'
s very uncomfortable for women. Butwe' re already talking about functionality and
you have to break the scheme alittle bit to say this doesn' t
work like the after three layers ofclothes for already when it' s cold,
because women also don' t haveto go in skirt and they can

(37:52):
wear suit exactly that' s thesame thing. Let' s see what
your friends tell you, for example, you from Guadalajara and there in Sinaloa,
I mean, what do you tellthem when you get back to your
place, to your block, Güey, so to speak, do not tell
you Güey, that I fart withyou already at this point of life.
Ah but already I feel a greatsupport of my circle in Sinaloada, of

(38:13):
my friends stan because we already knoweach other so much that we do a
brotherhood. I explain to myself thenI know that, that is to say,
we are getting comments of chisel,as a joke, but insulting them,
but none regarding how I have seenmyself or how I am not.
The truth is that I feel quitesupported to myself once if they took me
out of a recording because they dried, they interrupted me, because it is

(38:37):
I hear everything that fucking dances asa dancer. I' m valerin This
is dancing, too. I makeit clear that he does everything he does
nothing today, and because nothing remainsfor Pam and I made of all those
PSAs. I don' t knowmy pose and they stopped production and just
like the teron the dares to tellher an old woman to lower her leg

(38:59):
more, because I don' tknow what didn' t have the day
or the courage or the respect,or they still consider it as something harmful
that I gave myself to tell methat I looked very feminine of my positions.
Then they interrupted everything prunes and productionhas dried up. Hey, I
want you to see what we want. You know, that' s how

(39:21):
I' m super hesitant, andas if I' m watching him and
I' m watching him, well, what I mean, I don'
t have to be that your positionI don' t know that and I
don' t know what he's got, that' s low jump,
I open up more, I closeup more than I do in front,
back. It' s not likeyou have very, very, very
gay. I' m literrumped thatI' m these cocksuckers, don'

(39:43):
t tell me and ok me orthat I like how they put you in
art, but I look ok orlike such an old street and meridian and
I said because aha it made mevery uncomfortable the net, but it wasn
' t uncomfortable for me. Itwas awkward because this person made it uncomfortable.
I mean, I feel like it' s something, too, the

(40:04):
idea that okay you look like agate looks bad. I' m not
going to say it in public becauseI' m going to humiliate him.
You know, there are people whocan sense it. So, I appreciate
perhaps your responsibility not to try tomake me feel bad and maybe if I
had been a Buddha, it wouldhave been perhaps different from the reaction.
If you don' t get yourshit out of you, you' re
out of your hair. I mean, thank you very much, Güey,
but that is if you can analyzethe whole situation, the perception that she

(40:27):
has as something negative that could affectsomeone, but she considers it enough not
to know if the other person canbe affected or not. I' m
making a comment. That' swhat I feel like they can think of
you a lot You know, andthen, besides, I say there'
s no hot spot cast in casethey leave a faggot to do it like
that, Güey, that' sit. I explain myself and nothing would
happen to me. And it's as normal as everyone else. Not
sure, I understand what you're aiming at from a business perspective.
Whatever. Not just any answer I' ve got left. But I feel

(40:52):
like it made me how to evaluatea lot of where I was standing and
how I was standing. And ifI realized that we, obviously, as
gays, too, if we caningest and we' ve worked a lot
the way I look, I'm missing to do the shit. I
make my stories. That' show I' m gonna drag him.
Any blowjob you know, but actuallyit' s that our day- to
- day, our lifestyle is verymuch in line with the norm and we

(41:16):
already have it very digested. Butthe reality is that I too feel that
it shouldn' t be like this. See how we' re dedis right
now, I don' t feelthat, but I feel comfortable. So
I mean in you, but I' ve already taken the piss to explore
how I might feel about you notof course I do. I' ve
dredged, I' ve dressed myselfor güey. It' s not something
I like. And no no,because I don' t like it means

(41:37):
it' s wrong or I sayit' s wrong. Anyone who wants
to do it like that is fuckedup. I applaud that, but also
respect that I literally live like thisand I want to live like this and
it' s not bad. AndI think we' re living in a
moment where ah, ah, hotshot, ah, wey punch, so sorry,
that' s the net is thatthat' s how I am,

(42:00):
for example, I pass my Instagramphotos, and so, unless it'
s on purpose, either, sinceI want to see jotto, I make
my jotter photo. But if Idon' t want to see myself as
masculine as possible, because I knowthat I pop followers, because I know
they' re coming out. Ifhe tells you, yes, it depends
on what the target is. No, for example, to talk about Chamba
and I work for Chamba, forChamba, I need to see a man

(42:20):
of reality. No, and whileI can be a very versatile actor,
whatever you want, because the realityis that I, as my image,
have to find out within this malescheme. My profile is not like the
divassa, for example, Ahorita,but the vast one of vajo, but
the base one is already. Imean, in the end, yes,
but it' s a profile andthat' s what she' s selling.
I know I can' t sellthat, right now, I'
m not there. And if yousee there you go outside the divasa,
it' s Pedro and it's another batillo and because it' s

(42:45):
a character, of course, thenand in the end it' s cool
that it' s like, marketing, experimenting or living. That' s
not good that you say it,because in the end, I think that
' s what it' s allabout if we keep experimenting, which is
ideal is that no one is discriminatedagainst or if someone wants to be more

(43:07):
feminine or vice versa. Whatever thefart is, we respect each other.
And I think we' re inthat moment where it' s okay,
that dissidences are talking about all thisand that there' s one that'
s breaking everything. Not as tohow you look at the expression of gender,
everything that is worth, everything,but I would simply say that just

(43:29):
as we are asking for respect forour orientations to give our expressions. So,
we also have to give it andwe already discuss it with religion,
with you maybe you are heterosexual.I am from the GBT community, because
güey has to be respected and so, as it should be. We'

(43:50):
re going to see each other aswell as very banal, very stupid.
I know we' re here veryunbuilt and everything you want, but let
' s think that most people maynot be and are exploring this path.
That' s his first close betweena man who' s got his fingernails
licked or something. You know it' s manicu dur a man, but
we' re all men. Uh- huh This straight guy' s fucking

(44:12):
right, but there' s alsoa lot of gas that they made.
You can' t see Jotto You' re gay, but I don'
t fuck around. You know,we' ve already talked about this.
Marireos episodes. It' s notthe same. Being fucking do Joto to
be a faggot, to be gay. You know everything. If I'
m trying to process cute güey Mariwe' ve got the same thing,
I told them to screw them aroundand they didn' t fart a lot
anymore. No. Of course,Güey you haven' t seen in Grinder,

(44:36):
as they say jots, no orfaggots. You don' t know
how much Güey I' ve heardand what I say when I grew up
was that I want to carry thisflag, that I' m gay,
but I' m not a faggot. What' s your question? Not
that it amazes me, because Isay we go back to the same thing
even with the same sexual orientation.It divides the way you think and if
you don' t think like Isay, maybe you like men. But

(44:58):
if you' re not effeminate oryou' re effeminate with me, you
don' t check it out,and it becomes a fight all the time
because you don' t share myvery way of walking through life. I
explain it is seen this takes itexactly and you can totally decide the Jack
theme, which of course is,sometimes not clear one thing, i e
this is my taste, i e, I' m going to, for

(45:21):
example, this say I like men, but I want it to have a
strong male energy. That' svalid. But now, if you don
' t have it, it's already going against me and it'
s not just me, it becomesmy opposite and I' m going to
insult you. Yeah. That's where there' s a problem.
It' s the weight, thatinhabits, that' s important enough,
of course, of the same.A lot has been done and I think

(45:42):
it is perfectly objectionable both of you, but right now, you' re
on the spot where you both have, for example, those two poles that
you' re telling the absolute truth. So it turns, it' s
good, and the freedom of choice, then I have to like it,
so, there' s a debatethere that would be very good. Also
at some point I' d talkit out and wonder what you consider.
These qualities that I' m goingto put in quotation marks are not masculine

(46:12):
or that under entertaining would make youquestion like nail polish. Maybe not for
you, but that people can conceivefrom a clan perspective that I don'
t realize or in general. SoI want you to list all this stuff
that you could do to me,like I clean my tennis, cut off
my foot iss, that is,all things so stupid as the net.

(46:32):
You always hear a comment or reada fucking tweet or someone super asshole and
it has to be more totally incoherent, but good. So I want
you to list everything that happens toyou, because to do personal not I
think that out there start as thenails said, to comb, to shave.
It also has a lot to dowith it. Pants on your bows

(46:57):
and pants on the other bit.The shirt, the tight shirt. Yeah,
but if he' s very juto, he makes pussy enriches everything and
to build him these wes that haspossible a chingo you know what he wears
is the shirt so very adjusted sothat it will be seen everything. Blowjob
Güey, if I know what elseit can be. This the most masculine

(47:20):
contact, the physical contact, costspeople a lot beyond it you must understand.
If not Brazil, I' mtalking about the slap. That'
s nice of you, that's always what Güey' s fart is,
so right now I greet you likethree times, that is, and
I find him winning like that.Yes, but I salute you eagerly and

(47:40):
you' ve always had that.It became a part of me, but
I had to do it as anact conscious of me. I' m
not going to greet people as unlessI feel like I' m a person
who wants me to respect their bubble. Of course I do, but it
' s a person that I sayis going to be willing to receive a
certain affection A that is the firsttime I embrace him, I explain myself

(48:00):
and it' s something father thatI want to give to the other person
as I say I know I hearmyself very hippie or very follower of Jesus,
but my main intention of the worldis that everyone feels loved. I
explain to myself that everyone feels lovedand then you don' t know what
person needs a hug and in theone hundred you greet or you can give
it to them. You don't know how much you can see a
person, I mean, I'm going for the idea of smiling at

(48:23):
anyone you schi function. It's great to see the life of that
moment. That way you' dchange a lot of things. So I
see obviously being a Siraloan there isno great physical contact between men, including
even though they may be your friendsand there are ones who receive you a
hug, you know the one atonce in the man and everything, but
there are others that I tell themyou greet me as a deputy my boy.

(48:44):
We have a friendship of almost twentyyears and you hug me and it
' s like and you love meor you don' t love me or
when you tell me that you loveme because you can and tomorrow you'
re not and I' m notand we haven' t told ourselves,
we take it for granted that wealready know it then. Therefore, it
is important for me to have physicalcontact in this part, in which I
know and in which I do notknow, because it is also important to
avoid. Or I' ll makemyself clear I think it' s always

(49:05):
good, right now. Lately Ihave realized a lot that between us men,
and there is much more affection thanbefore we can already say certain words
that we could not use before.As I don' t know, he
thinks that' s your bubble inpeople too, the men you' re
with in your social circle, inyour world of work, who are dancing
actors. And that' s alreadygood, if we can' t generalize,

(49:28):
but it' s cool that yousay that it' s good you
what you perceive in your circle isthe best thing exactly aha in my circle
and I' ve also seen,okay that' s so very external,
sometimes I' ve seen the dealalready sometimes between men has already been a
little different. And that' sfather, because it' s not the
typical that fart and moody and fartno longer there' s like a certain

(49:52):
more friendship and like to see lifedifferent and even hug and chubby, how
you' re that kind of cracks. I didn' t use them before
and now they' re getting veryfashionable, maybe in my circle. But
if I' ve heard them more, I' m clear of the tone
of voice. I also know allthe heterosexual man or speak firm or serene.

(50:15):
But if you listen to it likehesitating or it' s short-
spoken or something, you poop itlike someone, for sure like all those
bad qualities, and I feel likethe voice has everything to do with it.
Oh, well, it' salso a physiological quality. Men who
have a very sharp voice, youknow how bad they' re not,
and I feel like that' sa lot of ishu. And if it
has touched me, I remember inschool when I was little this eagerness to

(50:37):
want to talk, because more manly, more male, more man, because
it is a subject and i orI aha wey if I don' t
put it color WEY plus, ifI don' t discover high school.
But talk that fart, they saybrompto, they say bros, I say
bro to my friends. I usethe compa more, because I' m
in more compa area, but it' s chido. I hear there'

(50:58):
s a lot in the networks thatthere' s a lot that gives me
that heterosexuals say bro to me itmakes me Güey, if they want to
receive each other like you' refull of bad things coming. Hey,
and that' s it, bro, it' s you guys, Güey,
you know that good one. Soon, Brother Carnal. From our side
it becomes like a distinctive to differentiate, because they don' t. That
' s why I' m notsaying it' s bad or anything.

(51:21):
I' m saying it' sbecome a very fit badge, because it
' s very rare to find ahomosexual man who says bro They actually use
it as a joke. I haveheard several times that they use it as
a joke of how to brob menwhat happened pro and then owe yes or
what wave. But it' show they' re, uh, yeah,
it' s up to NATO.Three like that bron that so I

(51:43):
study that it' s super andyou metal your ass, like they do
it. Besides, I' llget you to pull out a net woe.
It' s shocking for me allthis talk, because I say fucker
that we' re talking about almosthow to behave with certain people or how
I should behave to someone when,for example, when you and I greeted
each other, when I arrived Igreeted you without thinking anything, you explain.

(52:05):
I greeted you as I greet youand how ugly to be thinking of
seeing him likes him is gay,as you touch him how a gay greeted
himself, he is a man,then he can already greet him. That
' s how I hope we getthere a time when we can greet everyone
equally not be thinking about how Ihave to behave with him. Yeah,
how do I have to do veryhonest and here you already touched fiber.
Ok I find this position very utopianand I also think that you would have

(52:30):
to do a little conscious and recognizethat you greet like this and you are
so very father, very nice.No, the reality is that if I
came, that I am Jotto andthat right now, I look very hegemonic
whatever you want, no, I' m so very basic general, but
suddenly it' s going to bethat suddenly I' m de jta.

(52:51):
I mean, you know I've seen myself, in a pretty disruptive
way. Sometimes in sight we'll call it that for someone in my
position, yes, I have tothink twice about how to greet who.
Okay, I mean. The realityis that if you' re telling him
how ugly you imagine, he'd be stressed every time I meet someone
how to greet him? Imagine thatI, if I live stressed, how

(53:15):
to greet someone new. I understandthat in this context, because clearly this
is where you' re at,or is it law to record this episode
that we need here in production whateveryou want. But if I were to
be invited to a purely whole showthat I don' t have a fucking
notion that it' s another world, you know for me I do have
to think twice because in the worldthey kiss everything, you know. I

(53:37):
feel like it' s nice,I feel like it' s contact,
I feel like maybe the hug's coming up, but I love kissing
everybody, you know. But thereality is, either I think of a
trans- bit or I think ofa lesbian approaching you like that with that
assurance that I know it' sokay. I greet everyone, because that
' s not the same for us. You know, it' s okay,

(53:59):
Father, to tell me, becauseyou' re presenting me with a
reality that maybe unconsidered. Not becauseyou' re worth me, but because
you just don' t think aboutit and you' re father because you
give me things to think about.I keep learning. Eh I' m
a hand in construction still and tothe end. I' m not telling
you to claim you, but justnot to introduce you to another one.
Actually, I mean, you're laughing, but what a fat bastard,

(54:21):
that is, for example, you' re laughing that I shave your
legs. It' s not goodfor you,' cause you' re
pretty sure. You understand who youare, how you are? Like you
have your context, I shave itto act or whatever you want. No,
yeah, apparently I don' teither. I say I' m
the safest in the world and I' m worth the first ones. No,
but tomorrow' s not your life. You know I do, or
at least right now or clearly nowmy almost thirty, no, but you

(54:44):
think ten years ago you don't have a thousand, eighteen, seventeen
and or I don' t knowtwenty. Maybe even if I came to
introduce myself with one, with mynails done, manic yure and that also
solves my arms legs, I couldhave put a vulnerable position, risk danger
that is, depending on the contextwhere I stand. If I run into

(55:05):
a football game like a chick,you know, for example, that I
put on makeup, but I leftmy beard, but you wore a skirt.
But the football team shirt, Imean, the reality is that you
' re seeing it all your prdeyou know, yeah or yes, at
least one comment is going to be. You know, and that' s

(55:27):
thinking today that we' re alreadyvery modern and very progressive and they'
re not going to tell me anythinganymore. But imagine that I' ve
spent thirty years of my life withthat dilemma, that concern, that anxiety
of not knowing how to introduce myself. You know, even though I know
that I would want to, forexample, not use it as a reference,
that is, I' m justa little aware of the different realities
and their inspiring positions. Thank youvery much, I mean, clearly,

(55:52):
but the grass I don' tthink that way anymore. Yeah, no,
that' s what' s foradra Maybe this one and not for
defending. My point is, asit' s almost like if I could,
you can multiply this by explaining tome, you can get more people
to say ok this güey changed theirway of thinking. That inspires, as
I already set an example, aswhen there was a time when no one

(56:12):
could break records in reaching 100 meters, because there was a standard that no
one can reach thirteen when someone brokeit. More runners started breaking that record
because a mental barrier broke. Thenit' s like what I' m
talking about. It' s likeI wish, let' s break that
mental barrier for someone to say thatgüey broke something that maybe I could break
it, too, and break itdown. Maybe it' s very utopian,

(56:34):
more like. Surely this is veryutopian. Well, I' m
already in Disney. It' sworth dreaming is not now, but I
' m what this Chamba is morelike. I think from now on or
from now on a good exercise thatwas to do that I always say is
to ask them how it happened toyou. You know I say I know
that these conversations, like specifically theseof this episode or those we have in

(56:55):
Chile, are not usually topics thatrecurring in the group of friends in general.
You know, I mean, youclearly had to go over a topic,
plan it, the scale, youknow, but if you get to
give it a chance in your socialcircles to talk a little bit, we
talk a little bit and ask howit went with you. You know how
listening to context stories always helps andgives you another one. Actually, as

(57:15):
you literally just told me, youdidn' t just hit the CLAW.
For example, Kike and I,in fact, came here because I'
m sitting here because here I,in a meeting, started talking about religion
that already knows super shocking. Whenyou talk, you see what it says
in political religion. Never bring itup, because there' s always controversy

(57:36):
and everyone ends up fighting. Andit was wonderful why we didn' t
end up fighting and what you justsaid, how you got there and I
was wondering here that I was alsoasking him how he came to think,
how he thought and he was father, because we didn' t end up
in what you said or convinced meand I' m going to think about
it from now on like you,but it' s how I can understand
you more just as always the understandingis going to take you to a new

(57:58):
level, to a new sphere ofunderstanding and what happens, for example,
I can and I put in theheo example that you just gave me four
years ago that literally I said itat the beginning of the episode, I
was angry, or I had boughtthis idea that, because I was LGBT
I had to hate the Church fervidly. And the truth is that Güey realized
and today I realize that that's not the way, that is,

(58:19):
to hate something not even the peoplewho are alive right now. Many have
done as the crimes they have alreadydone, that is, there are already
new people, the churches, theparties, that is, everything is evolving
And that' s just it,this is the moment we start talking about

(58:39):
religion, far from how to criticizeor say Güey, you' re not
well, no, that' syour reality. And finally, respect that
reality and also the moment you validatewhat the other person is feeling or their
reality. I think that should bethe way for everything. Not in this

(58:59):
way, so there are great disjunctivesall over the world, from wars to
ideological fights. In this world everyonesummarizes respect, respect I think that I
to close the comment, maybe Iwould do that when you see or recognize
that someone is doing something dissident,whether it be the bato, painted his

(59:22):
nails, transitioned and now he isa boy girl From trans he dressed in
such a way, etcetera. Ithink that rather the best way to digest
it we you from the outside,thinking that it will not be you exactly
who are the ones who are theones who are the dreams, because clearly
you are not seen but when yousee it like this, it would be

(59:49):
more like avoiding comments as how braveyou know or because the fact that you
recognize someone who is brave is becauseyou know that there is a problem that
had to overcome instead of stily andbecause you are recognizing their pain, of
course, and then what she putson. I don' t want them
to tell me. I didn't mean to be brave to dress like
that. I wanted to be merather tell me how well you look you
know yes and it totally changes yourperspective and I feel that I, as

(01:00:09):
receiver that message I' m goingto tell you two thanks. From a
place of pride, more than aplace of pain. I explain h and
that for you of podcast ah ifyou hear her all crying right now,
it was very nice. What youjust said. Yeah, look so that
for me, personally, it's not uncommon to see a person with
long hair or painted nails, orhe' s even pecking you, he

(01:00:32):
' s made up. The truthhas not been anything unusual to me,
because since Chico I saw well,I grew up with the atmosphere, that
of rock music, and that thenI saw the men that made it clear.
I didn' t see the darkswho painted their nails and walked with
their white faces or painted their eyesor walked even with heels and I said

(01:00:57):
with platforms and said cool egg thatchido, that is to say the s
movies are seen, that is,all the old rock bands did and now
I don' t know why theycome to change or to think or to
have different ideologies. When the manlike that used to dress and nobody said
anything, you know why there wasthat transition, that change for me,

(01:01:23):
for me the most normal thing,you see a man who knows painted or
with long hair or makeup. Thetruth, because I grew up like this,
so I admired those people. Youknow, you know, but,
as you' re saying, thatwas your reality, that was my good
story at the time, and maybeI' m just saying get that you
' re not going to do atasting with the rocking world, so to
speak. And because clearly the manhas not digested how to rape with caballón

(01:01:44):
exactly, because it will close verywell nothing. I' m so happy
about this talk. I learned somuch just it' s okay father to
say I thought I already knew itall to everyone and right now. The
last thing I loved, because it' s even believing, that you'
re breathing something down. This onemay be lacking in empathy for those for
the origin of that pyropole. Theone who' s brave isn' t
the same as the one who looksgood tells me a lot to think and

(01:02:06):
he' s father. I realizethat since I still have an area to
grow towards, either where I canconsider the other one giving more love,
the other one more love, themore I respect valuing more the other'
s way of thinking. I mean, I think you say I' m
already done I already throw myself intothe world and I respect everyone. Call
everyone and not love. One learnsalso, that is, one thing is

(01:02:30):
to love and another thing to lovewell and I speak nothing more in the
center of the couple, but tofriends, to anyone. Sure Hey,
look at that. He' sa real bastard. She' s a
real bastard. To be like thislistening to them in magic. Oh,
it' s already forgotten about that. That was cool. I was like
this, we' re going toHoward, we' re at Kawars No.

(01:02:52):
But the truth is that already,to keep closing the net, thank
you for sharing as your experiences andthat I think it' s okay father
as this swing of realities, becauseif you are finally two universes as different,
but that by coming together you canunderstand the other and the people who
are seeing this fart as if ifyou are going to crush many ideas that

(01:03:15):
hear from you and that we aremore than two universes, just each ca
at a time is one. Imean, even though Ian and I are
hotties, we certainly think very differentabout many things, also a different tolerance,
a different empathy. Then there itis. That' s why I
also understand why there' s somuch difference of opinion and that' s
the right thing to do. Butthe best thing is to know that there
is no absolute truth. As Iansaid, little while ago respect, respect

(01:03:39):
for love. They' re whatwe' re building for me. It
' s not what we' dhave to take ahead of Geo Andres.
No, because I' ve alreadysaid the brave thing, and so this
little contribution was worth it, itdidn' t poop it. The spece
every end of the episode eats Ahnis e. Yeah, hey. Thank

(01:04:02):
you for your feedback. I knowthis one was already the no- squealing
Gus. It might still be goodto eat this. They were like that.
If you do, you' reout of your fucking mind, but

(01:04:23):
I don' t feel like you' re saying aridorito how you liked it.
As you speak, yes, Iget budget. Let' s talk
about it behind the scenes. Iloved being real I didn' t even
know he was coming. I mean, I knew he was coming to talk.
I know here that for many yearsand I said a talk with that
of course I am always enchanted bythe wind of life. If we do
it off- camera, it's gonna be amazing, too, but

(01:04:45):
it was better than I expected.I thank all three of you for this
time. It' s always niceto be heard Güey. It' s
just that if that sex, Güeyis always better than what' s waiting
for you. Do Ron lo